Transformational Change Starts with Inner Work | Mindsets for Changemakers | Laura Hartley Interview - GreenBusinessImpact

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This need to always push for more to never be satisfied.
And in this interview today with Laura Hartley, she offers you an opportunity to slow down. 4 00:00:13,262.727272727 --> 00:00:22,297.727272727 and she gives an amazing example of comparing the extracted this of burnout culture to what we have historically done to the earth. 5 00:00:22,307.727272727 --> 00:00:26,607.727272727 And if asurs, we are trying to fight against the continual. 6 00:00:26,617.727272727 --> 00:00:29,237.727272727 Extraction of resources from our Earth. 7 00:00:29,247.727272727 --> 00:00:33,417.727272727 We also need to treat our bodies with that same reverence. 8 00:00:33,427.727272727 --> 00:00:41,387.727272727 Provide them with a chance to heal and not look to always consistently extract and expect those resources to always be there. 9 00:00:41,397.727272727 --> 00:00:48,977.727272727 Let's shift your mindset and transform the way you think during this episode of the Green Business Impact Podcast. 10 00:01:24,998.339517625 --> 00:01:30,231.672850959 laura, do you mind telling us a bit about public love enterprises and what you do?. 11 00:01:30,476.672850959 --> 00:01:31,646.672850959 Yeah, absolutely. 12 00:01:32,6.672850959 --> 00:01:35,942.817975675 So Public Love Enterprises or it's really a school for change makers. 13 00:01:35,947.817975675 --> 00:01:38,257.817975675 It's a space to radically reimagine the world. 14 00:01:38,347.817975675 --> 00:01:52,703.62296434 So we focus on the inner work of outer change, which means we run programs and we have coaching in healing, burnout, culture, regenerative leadership, and eco anxie in ways to reimagine the ways that we are participating and creating change in the. 15 00:01:52,775.69779427 --> 00:01:53,75.69779427 Yeah. 16 00:01:53,135.69779427 --> 00:01:53,435.69779427 Wow. 17 00:01:53,525.69779427 --> 00:01:54,485.69779427 That's powerful. 18 00:01:54,495.69779427 --> 00:02:16,629.63203463 especially, around this burnout culture, that's a huge thing happening throughout, this day and age when everything is so accessible right at our fingertips all the time, and so it's, becomes a situation where you can be on all the time, and so you just end up burning yourself out because of the fact that you can just be captain so easily to everything. 19 00:02:16,989.63203463 --> 00:02:24,619.63203463 So how do you help people with this burnout culture? And maybe just even define it for us first. 20 00:02:24,624.63203463 --> 00:02:29,38.40754484 Like really define what as the burnout culture and what it looks like right now. 21 00:02:29,43.40754484 --> 00:02:30,33.40754484 Yeah, absolutely. 22 00:02:30,38.40754484 --> 00:02:36,396.71820243 You have such a good point there we're always on, we're always wired for this now, and here's the thing, our bodies, were not designed for any of this. 23 00:02:36,396.71820243 --> 00:02:39,246.71820243 Our nervous systems are not wired for any of this. 24 00:02:39,306.71820243 --> 00:02:43,595.74314574 And so it makes sense, in so many ways that we're experiencing this at such a global level. 25 00:02:43,605.74314574 --> 00:02:46,575.74314574 But really when I'm talking about burnout, I'm talking. 26 00:02:46,585.74314574 --> 00:02:53,345.74314574 About this state of exhaustion and this state of apathy and this state of just feeling like we have absolutely nothing left. 27 00:02:53,355.74314574 --> 00:02:54,135.74314574 And it's a spectrum. 28 00:02:54,324.30323645 --> 00:02:56,304.30323645 Burnout isn't a one size fits all. 29 00:02:56,394.30323645 --> 00:03:05,145.40300969 Some people are at the mild end where it's okay, I'm tired, I'm a little bit anxious, perhaps I've got a bit of like shoulder pain and my jaw is a bit loft, but yeah, it's fine. 30 00:03:05,145.40300969 --> 00:03:06,885.40300969 I'll just take a vacation and I'll be right. 31 00:03:06,934.25788497 --> 00:03:09,280.92455164 And other people have cycled. 32 00:03:09,290.92455164 --> 00:03:14,600.92455164 They're at the extreme end, and that is when you know it's not just tiredness, it is exhaustion. 33 00:03:14,600.92455164 --> 00:03:16,950.92455164 You cannot get out of bed like it is. 34 00:03:16,950.92455164 --> 00:03:18,750.92455164 A lot more relationship conflict. 35 00:03:19,80.92455164 --> 00:03:22,80.92455164 There is a lot more anxiety and tension. 36 00:03:22,90.92455164 --> 00:03:28,280.58441558 In that sense of, there's a real kind of overlap at that stage with depression because there's a sense of apathy. 37 00:03:28,460.58441558 --> 00:03:32,223.69099155 We've lost our spark, we've lost our care for things that once lit us up. 38 00:03:32,228.69099155 --> 00:03:33,278.69099155 So this is burnout. 39 00:03:33,638.69099155 --> 00:03:44,855.44836116 And when we're talking about burnout culture, we're really talking about the ways in which we're working as activists, as entrepreneurs, in almost every single field that there is that do not support. 40 00:03:45,414.52999382 --> 00:03:56,554.52999382 That are encouraging us to always be working faster, always be doing more, always on this treadmill of just the next thing and the next thing, and all of that kind of extracting from ourselves. 41 00:03:56,564.52999382 --> 00:04:01,993.07874665 The example I give is, it's very similar to our idea of extractivism of the Earth, where we just keep extract. 42 00:04:02,391.41207998 --> 00:04:05,900.09688724 Resources and minerals and expecting them to be there or to be there when we want them to be. 43 00:04:05,951.83158112 --> 00:04:07,451.83158112 We do the same things to our body. 44 00:04:07,541.83158112 --> 00:04:16,661.83158112 We take from our energy and our attention and our motivation and our compassion, and we expect it to always be available without any sense of its renewal. 45 00:04:16,961.83158112 --> 00:04:21,101.83158112 Any sense of actually caring for it and allowing for it to replenish. 46 00:04:21,111.83158112 --> 00:04:23,300.92455164 So this is the space that we're working. 47 00:04:23,305.92455164 --> 00:04:24,85.92455164 Yeah, definitely. 48 00:04:24,85.92455164 --> 00:04:29,791.63883735 And I love how you connected that in terms of extracting from the ecosystem in our earth. 49 00:04:29,791.63883735 --> 00:04:31,896.63883735 It's cuz it's very it's very related. 50 00:04:31,896.63883735 --> 00:04:41,730.91321377 How much we, we just see okay it's gonna be there, it's always gonna be there and we'll just keep, getting as much as we can, which is the same with our, attention and our, ability to keep going. 51 00:04:41,730.91321377 --> 00:04:43,719.47330447 It's okay Yesterday I was able to do this. 52 00:04:43,719.47330447 --> 00:04:45,639.47330447 So today I must be able to do this again. 53 00:04:45,879.47330447 --> 00:04:48,344.47330447 And it's you are in a different space today. 54 00:04:48,344.47330447 --> 00:04:49,499.47330447 You might be feeling more tired. 55 00:04:50,42.80663781 --> 00:04:52,255.21026592 You might have, expended more energy somewhere. 56 00:04:52,255.21026592 --> 00:04:56,564.32591218 And or you might have, yesterday might have just been exhausting, like maybe you need a date of rest. 57 00:04:56,615.75448361 --> 00:05:02,805.69779427 It's just it's crazy how much that, there's so many similarities, which is also absolutely how we're. 58 00:05:02,877.76355391 --> 00:05:16,587.10595753 When we are looking at the roots of the climate crisis and we see this disconnection from the natural world and we just see it as like this like mechanistic thing and we've just gotta get the right ratios or the right numbers or whatever it is, and not seeing it as this kind of living regenerative. 59 00:05:16,972.10595753 --> 00:05:19,642.10595753 Plays, we do the exact same thing to us. 60 00:05:19,683.71593486 --> 00:05:20,773.39847454 We're just like no, it's fine. 61 00:05:20,773.39847454 --> 00:05:22,783.39847454 We're just treat our bodies like they're machines. 62 00:05:22,878.20573078 --> 00:05:24,918.20573078 We're just like hustle, just grind. 63 00:05:24,918.20573078 --> 00:05:25,968.20573078 Just keep pushing. 64 00:05:26,17.6955267 --> 00:05:28,817.85425685 You, there's even like a motivational quote yeah, you're a machine. 65 00:05:28,817.85425685 --> 00:05:30,154.49824778 Just push it and it's, yeah. 66 00:05:30,223.90867862 --> 00:05:32,273.90867862 It's very similar dynamic that's happening. 67 00:05:32,278.90867862 --> 00:05:33,148.90867862 Yeah, definitely. 68 00:05:33,148.90867862 --> 00:05:43,765.38260153 And because it's okay, if I, get the right amount of food and I get the right amount of water and I get the exact right amount of sleep, then I'm going to be able to perform at this optimal level. 69 00:05:43,765.38260153 --> 00:05:44,965.38260153 And we aren't machines. 70 00:05:44,975.38260153 --> 00:05:45,425.38260153 Exactly. 71 00:05:45,665.38260153 --> 00:05:47,45.38260153 Put everything in the right place. 72 00:05:47,45.38260153 --> 00:05:49,355.38260153 There still can be so much variability. 73 00:05:49,365.38260153 --> 00:05:53,206.38033395 Depending on, hormones or whatever going is going on in our body. 74 00:05:53,206.38033395 --> 00:05:54,438.35312307 So that is so true. 75 00:05:54,459.01071944 --> 00:06:08,395.73407545 When you are helping people explore this space and explore how to, fix their mindset in terms of this, burnout culture, how do you help people go through that? I think all burnout work is twofold. 76 00:06:08,695.73407545 --> 00:06:18,714.71366729 There is the first stage which is really the work that we do as individuals, and that is work that we do in our nervous systems in looking at our spirit and our callings. 77 00:06:18,719.71366729 --> 00:06:21,952.00391672 And what is it that actually, That we want to do in the world. 78 00:06:22,282.00391672 --> 00:06:26,422.00391672 It's looking at our values and boundaries and this is all like very personal work. 79 00:06:26,422.00391672 --> 00:06:33,944.09008452 And there's a lot overlap here with the wellness world and with burnout work that exists everywhere and it's a really important foundational step. 80 00:06:34,236.16491445 --> 00:06:42,733.9880437 But where a lot of burnout work then sometimes gets lost, is that it misses the collective piece that ultimately, burnout is a result of ways of working that do not serve us. 81 00:06:42,733.9880437 --> 00:06:45,533.9880437 And none of us created those ways of working. 82 00:06:45,538.9880437 --> 00:06:58,1.79983509 And so unless we're starting to examine what it means to be a collective look at the level of culture, And when I say culture, I really mean those microcultures of our organizations, of our movements our companies, our families. 83 00:06:58,1.79983509 --> 00:07:17,263.00164914 Those kind of spaces that we have a lot of direct influence and explore, actually what is it that brings us meaning what's our sense of belonging? How do we want to be and work together? How do we create this sense of safety? Between us and what does it mean for us all to thrive, to seed and create the conditions of thriving for all of us. 84 00:07:17,273.00164914 --> 00:07:22,583.00164914 That's where the second part of burnout work comes in, because I think so often we never ask these questions. 85 00:07:22,593.00164914 --> 00:07:40,845.11049268 We never sit down and say, Hey, actually, like as a company, as a team what makes us genuinely thrive? And not just the artificial yeah, let's like push and keep going, but that real space of let's pause, let's take a moment, and how do we make a sustainable and foundational shift in how we're. 86 00:07:40,855.11049268 --> 00:07:41,605.11049268 Yeah, definitely. 87 00:07:41,605.11049268 --> 00:07:54,155.39393939 Cause that, and that goes from, the organizational level with your company as well, because it's like, okay, we might be growing at a really fast rate and we might be doing all this stuff, but you don't have the culture, you. 88 00:07:54,533.84065141 --> 00:07:59,673.84065141 Set and have those guidelines for being able to grow quickly. 89 00:07:59,678.84065141 --> 00:08:07,840.23520924 You might have all the money in the world coming in for your business, but if you don't have that structure there, your culture just isn't going to be able to support that. 90 00:08:08,140.23520924 --> 00:08:12,328.39847454 Is it gonna be helpful to help you grow? And that's so important to think about too. 91 00:08:12,328.39847454 --> 00:08:23,883.64790765 It's okay, we really need to have a plan and a strategy around what are we doing here and how do we take this to the next level? How do we continue to grow and really reassess? And I think that's really important. 92 00:08:24,88.64790765 --> 00:08:24,838.64790765 Very happy, best. 93 00:08:25,350.72273758 --> 00:08:26,430.72273758 Oh yeah, definitely. 94 00:08:26,775.23520924 --> 00:08:39,211.61842919 So many of us, like when we're trying to do this we know some of the tools, whether it's like check-ins or creating these spaces, but it's so easy for them to become transactional, to just become something that we need to, tick off on like the meeting agenda. 95 00:08:39,294.54359926 --> 00:08:47,237.15130901 Have we done the check-in? Great, now we can get down to the real work And that there is that space of okay, actually there was no real care for that check-in. 96 00:08:47,237.15130901 --> 00:08:47,867.15130901 There was no real. 97 00:08:48,323.84065141 --> 00:08:50,593.04700062 Or validity given to what the experiences were. 98 00:08:50,953.04700062 --> 00:08:55,453.04700062 And so it's a lot of like deeper relational work, and that's what culture change is. 99 00:08:55,543.04700062 --> 00:08:57,646.09688724 So it's a tricky place for us to navigate that. 100 00:08:57,646.09688724 --> 00:08:59,776.09688724 There are some people doing incredible things. 101 00:08:59,786.09688724 --> 00:09:00,806.09688724 Yeah, definitely. 102 00:09:00,906.09688724 --> 00:09:10,976.09688724 And where do you see the biggest, Challenge for people when they're looking to create that organizational culture of being able to check in. 103 00:09:11,156.09688724 --> 00:09:20,705.15584416 What do you see like the biggest challenge for people in there? So I think the biggest challenge is actually in a sense, something I refer to as internalized capitalism. 104 00:09:20,710.15584416 --> 00:09:24,580.79076479 So internalized capitalism is, the equation of our worth with our product. 105 00:09:25,218.1263657 --> 00:09:29,758.1263657 It's our worth with what we produce and it shows up in a million different ways. 106 00:09:30,28.1263657 --> 00:09:36,369.7816945 It is that sense of time, scarcity, that there is just never enough time or that time is running out. 107 00:09:36,489.7816945 --> 00:09:38,747.38940425 You see this a lot in climate spaces as well. 108 00:09:38,775.92681921 --> 00:09:41,660.92681921 It's that sense of, going into work when we're sick. 109 00:09:41,970.92681921 --> 00:09:49,740.92681921 And so many of us have done this even when we're working from home that we're like checking our emails or doing something that sense that we can't switch off, that we always need to be doing more. 110 00:09:49,745.92681921 --> 00:09:54,990.92681921 So like we're scrolling on Instagram while we're at like cooking dinner while we're like sending a voice note to somebody else. 111 00:09:55,0.92681921 --> 00:09:56,290.92681921 I'm guilty of this myself. 112 00:09:56,300.92681921 --> 00:10:02,333.23974438 So there's a lot of different ways that it shows up and it, we feel this uncomfortableness when we rest. 113 00:10:02,338.23974438 --> 00:10:07,304.90641105 And really, this internalization of the culture that we live in takes some work to get free of it. 114 00:10:07,314.90641105 --> 00:10:16,204.90641105 And if we don't, that is actually one of the things that prevents us from really connecting to the relationships on a deeper level and from putting the value. 115 00:10:16,599.90641105 --> 00:10:21,59.90641105 Onto our relationships and onto who and how we wanna be together. 116 00:10:21,69.90641105 --> 00:10:25,423.88600289 Because otherwise, we're doing the check-ins and we're showing up for these things, but they become transactional. 117 00:10:25,423.88600289 --> 00:10:31,853.88600289 They became just another thing we need to do so we can keep going, keep producing, keep doing more, and that's the cycle that we need to get out of. 118 00:10:31,883.88600289 --> 00:10:40,449.97443826 And that is a really difficult space to be, there's a lot of work here of unraveling that, of coming back to a different compass and a different way of being. 119 00:10:40,499.97443826 --> 00:10:47,169.97443826 But That's the kind of space I think that we need to do the work on ourselves first to be able to do the culture shifting that we want to do. 120 00:10:47,179.97443826 --> 00:10:48,259.97443826 Yeah, definitely. 121 00:10:48,269.97443826 --> 00:10:48,599.97443826 Wow. 122 00:10:48,609.97443826 --> 00:10:49,329.97443826 that's powerful. 123 00:10:49,639.97443826 --> 00:11:00,833.20573078 And you mentioned, this internalized capitalism how do you see capitalism as being internalized for us in this type of culture? Yeah. 124 00:11:01,178.20573078 --> 00:11:11,372.93362193 Capitalism is an ideology now as much as it is an economic system, and really my work is in the ideology of capitalism and, the ideology and the beliefs associated with it. 125 00:11:11,408.7386106 --> 00:11:13,598.7386106 Those beliefs are that growth means success. 126 00:11:13,928.7386106 --> 00:11:15,98.7386106 That's really big one. 127 00:11:15,165.81344053 --> 00:11:21,40.81344053 I think Edward Abbey has a wonderful quote that says growth for the sake of growth is the ETI ideology of the cancer cell. 128 00:11:21,45.81344053 --> 00:11:26,172.48010719 You know, The only thing in the natural world that grows without end and without purpose is cancer. 129 00:11:26,182.48010719 --> 00:11:28,882.48010719 Now, growth has a place, don't get me wrong, especially as entrepreneurs. 130 00:11:28,882.48010719 --> 00:11:32,92.48010719 All of us, many of us, including myself, are in a growing phase. 131 00:11:32,102.48010719 --> 00:11:37,82.48010719 But there is a point where you reach maturity and that's where you start to move to seasons and cycles. 132 00:11:37,92.48010719 --> 00:11:43,47.99031128 Now, the other way is that we're looking at the beliefs of capitalism that show up beyond growth as success would really. 133 00:11:43,559.48690992 --> 00:11:44,879.48690992 The experience of scarcity. 134 00:11:45,217.21933622 --> 00:11:47,167.21933622 Scarcity is foundational to capitalism. 135 00:11:47,167.21933622 --> 00:11:51,745.12183055 You don't have endless growth or infinite growth without scarcity somewhere in the system to drive it. 136 00:11:51,755.12183055 --> 00:11:53,935.58668316 And, a lot of the time we've internalized that. 137 00:11:54,235.58668316 --> 00:11:59,159.39620697 We have, like I mentioned before, the sense of time scarcity that like, there's just not enough time. 138 00:11:59,339.39620697 --> 00:12:02,595.08781694 And you see it in our language with the sense of thank God it's Friday. 139 00:12:02,595.08781694 --> 00:12:05,106.93588951 And, ah the weekend is always so short. 140 00:12:05,111.93588951 --> 00:12:05,891.93588951 All of the time. 141 00:12:05,901.93588951 --> 00:12:11,171.59575345 We have scarcity in our mindset around, perfectionism and that we're not enough. 142 00:12:11,171.59575345 --> 00:12:13,711.57307772 There's not enough syndrome that so many of us have. 143 00:12:13,716.57307772 --> 00:12:16,601.57307772 You see it in marketing a lot, my gosh. 144 00:12:16,601.57307772 --> 00:12:17,321.57307772 As entrepreneurs. 145 00:12:17,321.57307772 --> 00:12:26,890.13316842 This idea that we need to convince others that, there's not enough and you need to act now and buy fast and creating this like FOMO response in our bodies it's really quite toxic. 146 00:12:26,895.13316842 --> 00:12:28,885.13316842 So I think there's so many ways. 147 00:12:28,895.13316842 --> 00:12:31,175.13316842 We've internalized it that we can't even see it. 148 00:12:31,365.13316842 --> 00:12:39,722.80890538 David Foster Wallace has a wonderful example of these fish swimming through water or these fish swimming along and this bigger fish comes by and it says Hey boys, beautiful day. 149 00:12:39,722.80890538 --> 00:12:41,672.80890538 How's the water? And they keep swimming. 150 00:12:41,677.80890538 --> 00:12:48,208.90867862 And they keep swimming and eventually they turn to each other and they say, what the hell is water? Because we don't even know the environment that we're swimming. 151 00:12:48,213.90867862 --> 00:12:50,138.90867862 So this is the space that we're working in. 152 00:12:50,138.90867862 --> 00:13:03,943.90867862 When I talk about internalized capitalism and the space of inner and outer change, we're looking at how we've internalized the systems outside of us, how we perpetuate them, how we live them out, and how do we start to challenge them and reimagine them? I really like that. 153 00:13:04,45.57534529 --> 00:13:06,295.57534529 I mean, Really being able to. 154 00:13:07,908.90867862 --> 00:13:15,318.90867862 What things in your mindset and idea system are because of the culture and don't have to be that way. 155 00:13:15,468.90867862 --> 00:13:22,608.35312307 And I think that's just like mind shifting and mindboggling is okay, some belief that I've held for years. 156 00:13:22,848.35312307 --> 00:13:33,830.2125335 And even, know, you even realize that you have that belief, but then you just like, okay, what if that was different? It's just like completely mind blowing and that's what we need to do collectively now because you know the world really. 157 00:13:33,890.2125335 --> 00:13:35,150.2125335 It's at a choice point. 158 00:13:35,180.2125335 --> 00:13:37,220.2125335 We are facing so many crises. 159 00:13:37,485.2125335 --> 00:13:44,643.33044733 So many levels and there are still so many of us who still just say that's just the way the world is, or that's just the way the markets are. 160 00:13:44,643.33044733 --> 00:13:45,950.91548134 That's just the way business is. 161 00:13:45,979.6002886 --> 00:13:47,524.6002886 The world isn't slowing down and. 162 00:13:47,534.6002886 --> 00:14:12,682.53679654 There are so many just preconceived assumptions within those statements, and the more of us who are able to start to challenge them and look at them and actually go, okay, why is the world that way? What if it wasn't? What would I do differently? What would my company do differently? What kind of business would I really create? How would I sell? How would I market? All of these different experiences we have the possibility for creating, not just like tweaks to the system, but transformation. 163 00:14:12,692.53679654 --> 00:14:13,532.53679654 Yeah, definitely. 164 00:14:13,592.53679654 --> 00:14:23,665.60935889 And that's how all of the, companies that are these huge disruptors, that's how they got to that place is they looked at the system and said, it doesn't need to be that way, or it doesn't need to be that hard. 165 00:14:23,665.60935889 --> 00:14:29,675.60935889 Or like when Uber came around and they saw that when it was raining out and there was. 166 00:14:29,685.60935889 --> 00:14:39,790.13316842 Hardly any taxis when they were in New York because of the fact that taxi drivers, they always have this set cap that they go to where it's okay, I'm gonna make a hundred dollars today. 167 00:14:39,841.15357658 --> 00:14:43,51.15357658 And then once they reach that a hundred dollars, then they go home. 168 00:14:43,86.30096887 --> 00:14:51,269.21480107 On rainy days, They reach a hundred dollars before noon, and so then they go home and so nobody can find a taxi after that. 169 00:14:51,279.21480107 --> 00:14:54,729.21480107 And so then Uber was like, Hey, let's change the system. 170 00:14:54,819.21480107 --> 00:14:55,869.21480107 Let's make it different. 171 00:14:56,139.21480107 --> 00:15:01,884.21480107 And so they were like, okay, let's come up with a model where we, incentivize taxi drivers to go out in the marine. 172 00:15:01,944.21480107 --> 00:15:04,829.26015255 And so that's what their whole, some of their model came out with. 173 00:15:04,829.26015255 --> 00:15:07,159.26015255 And along with the knowledge of other ideas. 174 00:15:07,159.26015255 --> 00:15:10,39.26015255 They started disrupting the whole industry, the whole taxi industry. 175 00:15:10,88.92001649 --> 00:15:16,131.30096887 It's, you think of those ideas you need to have, be able to think of things in different ways and really reconsider. 176 00:15:16,136.30096887 --> 00:15:23,562.83158112 Does it have to even be this way? Can we change that? And that can be completely transformational to the whole space, which I think is just awesome. 177 00:15:23,567.83158112 --> 00:15:24,285.92681921 ah me too. 178 00:15:24,285.92681921 --> 00:15:25,724.61162647 And this is what excites me. 179 00:15:25,724.61162647 --> 00:15:31,634.27149041 I think so many of us have these ideas, but then we of question it or we doubt it, or we don't play with it and prototype it. 180 00:15:31,994.27149041 --> 00:15:37,743.54586683 And the more of us who can be empowered to do that and can trust their intuition and to reimagine their industries. 181 00:15:37,743.54586683 --> 00:15:42,668.54586683 Because, the thing about climate change and the environmental crisis is it's not just about renewables. 182 00:15:42,668.54586683 --> 00:15:43,958.54586683 It's not just about one thing. 183 00:15:44,228.54586683 --> 00:15:50,228.54586683 We need almost every single industry, every single career to innovate and to reimagine how they work. 184 00:15:50,568.20573078 --> 00:15:51,408.20573078 The more of us Yeah. 185 00:15:51,408.20573078 --> 00:15:54,267.61616162 Who capture that and have those ideas and play with it, the. 186 00:15:54,740.68872397 --> 00:15:55,610.68872397 Yeah, exactly. 187 00:15:55,610.68872397 --> 00:16:00,559.37353123 And there's a big thing in the, the climate space about people, profit and planet. 188 00:16:00,590.00845186 --> 00:16:10,363.97670583 The triple bottom line of being able to say, creating an idea or a thought process or business model that goes and helps people, it helps the planet. 189 00:16:10,363.97670583 --> 00:16:15,133.97670583 It also is more profitable because you're either saving money or you're producing more. 190 00:16:15,403.97670583 --> 00:16:17,654.61162647 And so it is, this idea of. 191 00:16:17,706.36899608 --> 00:16:22,163.03566275 You can have a triple win, you can have where everyone wins. 192 00:16:22,168.03566275 --> 00:16:32,374.12409812 And it's such a huge situation where you can, really think of something creatively, think of something that, is new, the way that it doesn't have to be done before. 193 00:16:32,379.12409812 --> 00:16:34,585.4619666 And it can really be helpful. 194 00:16:34,585.4619666 --> 00:16:37,403.79529994 And we do, like you mentioned, we need everyone in this. 195 00:16:37,403.79529994 --> 00:16:40,293.7952999 We need everyone to be contributing to. 196 00:16:40,303.7952999 --> 00:16:43,723.7952999 This movement because we're not gonna get there anywhere else. 197 00:16:43,749.6683158 --> 00:16:48,534.6456401 It's, every industry is contributing to the issue that we have right now. 198 00:16:48,534.6456401 --> 00:16:52,204.6456401 So we need everything to either be done differently or more efficiently. 199 00:16:52,204.6456401 --> 00:16:54,494.4982478 So I completely agree with that, Absolutely. 200 00:16:54,509.8157081 --> 00:16:58,718.2170686 And a lot of my work and my programs are, challenging or critical. 201 00:16:58,923.2170686 --> 00:17:04,850.2805607 Of this concept of capitalism, which is, sometimes still a controversial space, particularly in climate and social justice circles. 202 00:17:04,850.2805607 --> 00:17:05,570.2805607 Absolutely. 203 00:17:05,642.3440528 --> 00:17:12,612.3440528 And fundamentally though, even though I am like critical of the system as it is, I think the world does not benefit from our struggle. 204 00:17:12,622.3440528 --> 00:17:17,242.3440528 I think a more, just a more beautiful, a more regenerative world is born from our flourishing. 205 00:17:17,242.3440528 --> 00:17:18,562.3440528 It's born from our thriving. 206 00:17:18,572.3440528 --> 00:17:24,842.3440528 And so finding ways to support ourselves, finding ways to live a life that gives us meaning, that makes us feel good. 207 00:17:24,852.3440528 --> 00:17:26,112.3440528 This is foundational. 208 00:17:26,142.3440528 --> 00:17:29,456.5617398 We all should, especially those of us working for a more beautiful world. 209 00:17:29,816.5617398 --> 00:17:31,646.5617398 We should be flourishing as we do this. 210 00:17:32,36.5617398 --> 00:17:34,206.5617398 I don't believe in the mindset. 211 00:17:34,261.2442795 --> 00:17:42,702.8769326 We need to fight and we need to struggle and we need to push I think we can let things be easy and and enjoy life as we work through this change. 212 00:17:42,712.8769326 --> 00:17:43,402.8769326 Yeah, definitely. 213 00:17:43,402.8769326 --> 00:17:44,572.8769326 I really like that. 214 00:17:44,603.3417852 --> 00:17:48,588.3417852 Just let things be easy and I was reading effortless. 215 00:17:48,618.0696764 --> 00:17:59,300.0651412 This book I read by Danny, any, and he just talks about how he was struggling and grinding with his business and he was just like, he sat down one day and thought about it. 216 00:17:59,300.0651412 --> 00:18:11,93.613894 He was like, why is this so hard? Why does it have to be so hard? And you hear all these people out there talking about, how hard they're grinding and just putting the word, putting that reporting more hours and. 217 00:18:11,98.613894 --> 00:18:20,602.8089054 Why Like, why does it have to be so hard? Because we have these cultural ideas again, that, to, that success is or to work hard is to struggle. 218 00:18:20,607.8089054 --> 00:18:22,897.8089054 Because here's the thing, like we do need to work hard. 219 00:18:22,947.8089054 --> 00:18:27,200.7113997 Working hard isn't necessar, like all of us need to put in work and effort to grow a business. 220 00:18:27,200.7113997 --> 00:18:30,985.7113997 All of us need to put in work and effort to a movement or a cause. 221 00:18:30,995.7113997 --> 00:18:34,814.2714904 But there is this line between, something pulling us. 222 00:18:35,174.2714904 --> 00:18:45,5.9041435 In that, this vision this beautiful thing that we wanna create pulling us and this something behind us, this kind of critical voice or this pain that's like pushing us and just being like, no, come on, do better. 223 00:18:45,365.9041435 --> 00:18:49,145.9041435 So finding that tension point, I think is where it's at. 224 00:18:49,355.9041435 --> 00:19:01,97.9336219 And I should put a disclaimer here that, let it be easy as my motto and it is my motto for a reason because like I have spent a long time trying to make things the hard way, and it's still so easy to find myself in that cycle. 225 00:19:01,102.9336219 --> 00:19:11,922.9336219 And coming back to this idea of, okay, you know what, if I let go of the scarcity, I let go of the stories of struggle, what would be different and how can I create something new from this space? Definitely. 226 00:19:11,982.9336219 --> 00:19:33,370.1785199 And how do check in with yourself and keep yourself in that space of okay, how can I let this be easy? Do you, have a ritual of okay, before you start a project, do you sit down and say, okay, this is my plan what is your strategy around, helping keep yourself grounded to the fact that this can be easy Yeah. 227 00:19:33,370.1785199 --> 00:19:33,990.1785199 So I. 228 00:19:33,995.1785199 --> 00:19:36,819.736343 What we're talking about here is this idea of compass. 229 00:19:36,848.443826 --> 00:19:49,564.8837353 What is it that guides our decisions? What is it that we come back to, know what is the right step or whether we should do something? And, there are a few different compass that we can work with, but the one that I return to the most is actually it's my body. 230 00:19:49,954.8837353 --> 00:19:59,124.9744383 Because when I'm making decisions, Feel good that are aligned with me, my body will feel light, it will feel open, it will feel expansive. 231 00:19:59,124.9744383 --> 00:20:00,354.9744383 My shoulders relax. 232 00:20:00,354.9744383 --> 00:20:02,904.8043702 There's often like a bit of a sigh ah, how wonderful. 233 00:20:02,904.8043702 --> 00:20:04,704.8043702 Like it's just, okay, there's a relaxation. 234 00:20:04,714.8043702 --> 00:20:18,487.6955267 And other times when I'll be doing things that perhaps are going to drain me, there will be this sense of like closure and heaviness and there's a weight on my shoulders and my jaw gets very tight that somewhere I hold a lot of tension. 235 00:20:18,492.6955267 --> 00:20:31,591.2442795 And here's the thing right there, it really is about listening to the body because to give you an example, not too long ago I had a friend who was asking for help with this newsletter, run for a climate movement that they were starting up. 236 00:20:31,591.2442795 --> 00:20:32,821.2442795 And I was like, yeah, great. 237 00:20:32,821.2442795 --> 00:20:35,231.2216038 Would love to, you know what? I haven't done anything for a while. 238 00:20:35,231.2216038 --> 00:20:37,421.2216038 It would make me feel good as a good amount of exercise. 239 00:20:37,421.2216038 --> 00:20:41,841.2216038 Go drop some flyers and, Before long I realized that this wasn't fully what I signed up for. 240 00:20:41,901.2216038 --> 00:20:51,869.3848691 It actually had a buddy system and four hour shifts and like I had to turn up at this specific time and I was like, okay, wow, this is so intense and all of my thoughts were like, no, Laura, come on. 241 00:20:51,869.3848691 --> 00:20:52,829.3848691 Like you said, you would help. 242 00:20:52,884.3848691 --> 00:20:57,88.9880437 Just follow through on your commitment and like you haven't done anything in ages. 243 00:20:57,88.9880437 --> 00:20:58,768.9880437 Just do it once and get it over with. 244 00:20:58,823.6479076 --> 00:21:05,783.6479076 And all the while that I was thinking that my body was tense and it was heavy and I was like, you know what, yeah, I can fit it in. 245 00:21:05,783.6479076 --> 00:21:09,590.4733045 Like I'll just move that meeting and I'll go to dinner late and I'll get it done then. 246 00:21:09,653.8179757 --> 00:21:15,353.8179757 And then the moment I was like, you know what, actually I'm really sorry I, this wasn't entirely what I thought I signed up for. 247 00:21:15,623.8179757 --> 00:21:17,633.8179757 I would like to offer this alternative. 248 00:21:17,638.8179757 --> 00:21:18,983.8179757 I think this person could help you. 249 00:21:19,223.8179757 --> 00:21:23,73.8179757 Perhaps in the future I'll have capacity, and I do apologize for the miscommunication. 250 00:21:23,343.8179757 --> 00:21:25,923.8179757 There was like this lightness, there was a weight off me. 251 00:21:25,933.8179757 --> 00:21:27,733.8179757 Now, this wasn't that I thought I should do this. 252 00:21:27,733.8179757 --> 00:21:30,791.1875902 It, I felt a bit guilty doing it because, I said I would. 253 00:21:30,796.1875902 --> 00:21:44,816.1875902 But if I'm honoring my body and I'm honoring that compass and I'm letting it be easy and I'm trying to use my body as a guide, then I need to honor it even in those moments that my mind tells me I should be doing something different, that I have those beliefs saying that you should do X, Y, or Z. 254 00:21:44,826.1875902 --> 00:21:49,339.4302206 So coming back to that and learning how to listen to my body is really that step. 255 00:21:49,376.6977943 --> 00:21:50,336.6977943 Yeah, definitely. 256 00:21:50,636.6977943 --> 00:21:58,302.0832818 Do you ever feel like there's a space that, you might see as, you've thought about for a while? Like you talked, this is something that you. 257 00:21:58,307.0832818 --> 00:22:01,353.2284065 Could be doing, or that would really help in certain ways. 258 00:22:01,743.2284065 --> 00:22:05,676.6184292 And you still feel that, struggling your body or your resistance in your body. 259 00:22:05,681.6184292 --> 00:22:11,206.981241 And then, you try it out for a little bit and then you get past that kind of like struggle phase. 260 00:22:11,416.981241 --> 00:22:15,16.981241 And you can reach into this phase where you're in it and you're like feeling good and relaxed. 261 00:22:15,226.981241 --> 00:22:17,426.981241 Does that ever happen for you as. 262 00:22:17,431.981241 --> 00:22:18,721.981241 Yeah, absolutely. 263 00:22:18,938.273758 --> 00:22:23,110.5186559 And I think this is about the nuance and complexity that kind of comes with check-ins. 264 00:22:23,160.6206968 --> 00:22:28,435.6206968 Sometimes you'll check in and you'll be like, yo, I'm feeling some anxiety, or I'm feeling some apprehension, or I'm feeling some tension. 265 00:22:28,435.6206968 --> 00:22:40,919.997114 And you can ask yourself why, is it that I'm nervous? Is it that I'm tired? Or is it that, It's uncomfortable and it's new, or I've had this bad experience in the past and I'm really afraid that it's going to be the same. 266 00:22:40,934.997114 --> 00:22:50,398.5572047 When we have that ability to inquire, we can see whether it's something that maybe we should work through and move through that and do it anyway, or whether it's something that's actually like a, just a, no. 267 00:22:50,470.6320346 --> 00:22:52,270.6320346 And that takes practice. 268 00:22:52,330.6320346 --> 00:22:53,350.6320346 It takes time. 269 00:22:53,410.6320346 --> 00:22:58,73.9426922 It takes, sometimes doing it anyway and then discovering maybe you shouldn't have and vice versa. 270 00:22:58,90.8701299 --> 00:23:08,469.2828283 But it's, it really comes down to the level of inquiry that we're able to offer ourselves and the level of grace that we're able to offer ourselves when, we make mistakes or we don't listen, or we do. 271 00:23:08,492.0379303 --> 00:23:09,362.0379303 Yeah, definitely. 272 00:23:09,692.0379303 --> 00:23:11,522.0379303 And being able to have that introspection. 273 00:23:11,708.8179757 --> 00:23:21,287.5254587 I know for myself, before I get onto any one of these interviews, there's always like a feeling of oh, I don't wanna do this, Yes, me too. 274 00:23:22,462.5254587 --> 00:23:24,181.02886 And it's like, no, I really don't wanna do this. 275 00:23:24,481.02886 --> 00:23:25,372.6161616 But then I get onto it. 276 00:23:25,377.6161616 --> 00:23:29,617.6161616 And I start asking questions and I start really getting into the conversation. 277 00:23:29,707.6161616 --> 00:23:31,917.6161616 And then, during it I'm feeling like really good. 278 00:23:31,922.6161616 --> 00:23:33,627.6161616 And afterwards I'm just like, satisfied. 279 00:23:33,627.6161616 --> 00:23:39,572.9562977 And that struggle phase is something that I just need to get through because on the other side it's hugely beneficial. 280 00:23:39,601.6411049 --> 00:23:44,563.9767058 I really enjoy this talking, being on the podcast and producing it and all the things that come with it. 281 00:23:44,803.9767058 --> 00:23:47,839.7250052 So The initial oh, I don't wanna do this. 282 00:23:47,839.7250052 --> 00:23:49,733.3304473 Feeling is just something I, get past. 283 00:23:49,733.3304473 --> 00:23:53,429.6002886 It's just something I have to work through I feel ill before I go up on stage. 284 00:23:53,429.6002886 --> 00:24:00,547.1853226 You'll speak sometimes, there's like that sense, that pit in my stomach that's just Oh God, what are you doing? But you know what? When I'm up there, I love it. 285 00:24:00,847.1853226 --> 00:24:01,987.1853226 I know, I love it. 286 00:24:02,146.8451866 --> 00:24:07,576.8451866 I, that is one of the spaces where actually gives me energy and afterwards I'll feel fantastic. 287 00:24:07,648.4551639 --> 00:24:11,554.4302206 Cuz I know that like you, able to of work through that and it's oh, okay. 288 00:24:11,614.4302206 --> 00:24:11,884.4302206 Yeah. 289 00:24:11,889.4302206 --> 00:24:13,654.4302206 Let's this feeling's here again. 290 00:24:14,14.4302206 --> 00:24:14,164.4302206 Okay. 291 00:24:14,222.7748918 --> 00:24:15,242.7748918 We're gonna do it anyway. 292 00:24:15,242.7748918 --> 00:24:17,552.7748918 And on the other side we know what's there. 293 00:24:17,942.7748918 --> 00:24:19,712.7748918 So yeah, I love that example. 294 00:24:19,717.7748918 --> 00:24:24,439.3848691 Cause that's a really clear one of a space where we can start to move through something that's uncomfortable. 295 00:24:24,444.3848691 --> 00:24:25,284.3848691 Yeah, definitely. 296 00:24:25,284.3848691 --> 00:24:37,736.72047 And I think like what you said before of being able to reassess afterwards and say okay, what was the reason why I was feeling that way before and then afterwards, and how did I feel? And then being able to go from there. 297 00:24:37,766.72047 --> 00:24:40,906.72047 Cause I did the same thing when I was looking at this about the podcast. 298 00:24:40,906.72047 --> 00:24:48,321.2329417 I was like, do I really enjoy like doing these interviews? Cause like beforehand, I'm like, I have that feeling no, I don't wanna get on the call. 299 00:24:48,349.2828283 --> 00:24:49,398.3531231 I don't wanna do this today. 300 00:24:49,403.3531231 --> 00:24:59,918.3531231 I realized afterwards, like doing through that introspection, really being able to look back and say yeah, I had that feeling beforehand, but then afterwards, like that feeling like completely goes away. 301 00:24:59,918.3531231 --> 00:25:02,255.5299938 And once I get on the call the feeling's gone. 302 00:25:02,260.5299938 --> 00:25:04,150.5299938 It's just one of those things that I have to get through. 303 00:25:04,150.5299938 --> 00:25:08,60.598021 It's one of those things that after you do it a couple times, you're getting through it. 304 00:25:08,60.598021 --> 00:25:13,838.183055 You understand oh, this is just a feeling that I feel at the beginning and I'll get through it and it's better on the other side. 305 00:25:14,108.183055 --> 00:25:19,534.0560709 Versus being able to say okay, I went and did something and then that didn't work out for me. 306 00:25:19,534.0560709 --> 00:25:21,36.6411049 I didn't feel better afterwards. 307 00:25:21,71.7884972 --> 00:25:22,781.7884972 I didn't see the benefit from it. 308 00:25:22,851.2442795 --> 00:25:32,193.704597 Being able to really reassess that and look in introspectively and say okay, how was I feeling at the time? And being able to really see is this something I wanna continue doing? And stuff like that. 309 00:25:32,198.704597 --> 00:25:33,48.704597 Absolutely. 310 00:25:33,53.704597 --> 00:25:38,338.704597 So I'd love to ask a little bit too about your online coursework as well. 311 00:25:38,338.704597 --> 00:25:42,190.3826015 So you have a couple of courses that you've created online. 312 00:25:42,190.3826015 --> 00:25:48,718.9426922 Can you tell us a little bit about them and how they can help people transform? Yeah, absolutely. 313 00:25:48,718.9426922 --> 00:25:55,424.9290868 So internal Revolution is our course around healing, burnout, culture, and, really, creating this shift within our. 314 00:25:55,961.5957534 --> 00:25:58,31.5957534 So that's a lot of kind of what we've talked about. 315 00:25:58,331.5957534 --> 00:26:06,202.2760256 But I'm really excited because I do have a new program that's starting in the new year called it'll be around cultural way, finding working titles, subject to change. 316 00:26:06,231.0968872 --> 00:26:15,159.9517625 But essentially it's an inner leadership course really looking at this idea of how do we get free of toxic systems and their hold over us like capitalism, like we talked of. 317 00:26:15,519.9517625 --> 00:26:25,980.9268192 How do we explore our relationship to power, and then how do we know what's ours to do in this? Because so many of us want to make a difference in the world, there are so many different spaces that we need to act. 318 00:26:25,980.9268192 --> 00:26:31,150.9041435 And so how do we know what's ours? How do we know what's gonna support us and nourish us? And that's really. 319 00:26:31,150.9041435 --> 00:26:36,670.9041435 The program is about coming back to this inner work that we need to do to show up as leaders for the new world. 320 00:26:36,680.9041435 --> 00:26:39,560.9041435 So there's different programs running at different times. 321 00:26:39,592.7068646 --> 00:26:41,147.7068646 Those are probably the two big ones. 322 00:26:41,152.7068646 --> 00:26:46,515.167182 And then there's some smaller workshops periodically around Eco anxie, this sense of, Understandable. 323 00:26:46,545.6320346 --> 00:26:53,650.6547104 Just despair or fear at, the crisis that surrounds us and how we start to move through that in our bodies. 324 00:26:53,655.6547104 --> 00:26:56,740.6547104 And also around working with anger and those emotions as well. 325 00:26:56,740.6547104 --> 00:27:00,852.9903113 Because as activists, anyone looking to change the world, anger is sometimes there. 326 00:27:00,852.9903113 --> 00:27:04,2.9903113 So how do we learn to use it and harness it? So there's lots of different. 327 00:27:04,776.0175222 --> 00:27:11,176.0175222 There's two main courses around burnout, around leadership, and of course I also work with people one on one through coaching as. 328 00:27:11,181.0175222 --> 00:27:11,631.0175222 That's awesome. 329 00:27:11,661.0175222 --> 00:27:30,973.3417852 Yeah, and I like how you mentioned the eco anxiety and the anger that comes out of it as well, because I think that was a big thing that led me to producing this podcast was the fact that, throughout my life, and I know through a lot of other people's, we grew up as this day and age where we were taught all of these bad things that were happening in the world. 330 00:27:31,42.7748918 --> 00:27:38,889.6796537 All these things that were wrong and how we are basically destroying our world and nothing is gonna be here in 2050. 331 00:27:38,894.6796537 --> 00:27:39,404.6796537 And. 332 00:27:39,414.6796537 --> 00:27:45,516.0401979 I really wanted to show with this podcast, like there are a lot of really great things going on. 333 00:27:45,546.0401979 --> 00:27:48,426.0401979 There's a lot really great people doing amazing work. 334 00:27:48,786.0401979 --> 00:27:55,369.6456401 Instead of focusing on all the things that are wrong and all of things bad that are happening let's shift for a second. 335 00:27:55,369.6456401 --> 00:27:57,149.9631004 Yes, we need to know those things. 336 00:27:57,179.9631004 --> 00:27:59,425.6093589 We need to be aware, but we don't need to. 337 00:27:59,435.6093589 --> 00:28:10,5.6093589 Fixated on them, because what happens when you get fixated on them is that you think, okay, there's nothing I can do, and so I can't do anything, so I just won't think about it. 338 00:28:10,55.6093589 --> 00:28:10,442.5027829 And. 339 00:28:10,447.5027829 --> 00:28:14,181.5277262 Because of that's the exact opposite of what we want people to do. 340 00:28:14,181.5277262 --> 00:28:15,441.5277262 We want people to act. 341 00:28:15,441.5277262 --> 00:28:22,590.2352092 We want people to, feel like they have a way to fight climate change and fight the climate crisis. 342 00:28:22,620.2352092 --> 00:28:36,660.1785199 And with all of these just focusing on all the bad things that are happening, and with the scale of the climate crisis, all of that, it becomes a situation where People just feel overwhelmed and so they don't do anything and it's oh no, that's like opposite of what we want you to do. 343 00:28:36,909.8610596 --> 00:28:40,893.3871367 Being able to get away from this eco anxiety is super important. 344 00:28:40,943.3871367 --> 00:28:56,955.1218305 And you also brought up the anger management too, like being able to harness that in a way that you can use that for motivation for going forwards as an ecopreneur or in this movement because a lot of the politicians and things they will come out with, d. 345 00:28:56,960.1218305 --> 00:29:01,908.2624201 Acts and laws and all this stuff, and it's just oh no, you're not doing the right thing. 346 00:29:01,913.2624201 --> 00:29:12,148.1150278 Why are you doing that? I definitely feel you there, And this is why we look at this idea of power a lot in, my courses and in coaching because you know so much of like how we respond. 347 00:29:12,193.1150278 --> 00:29:17,272.7635539 To that anger and to that anxiety is actually, based in our relationship to power. 348 00:29:17,336.9358895 --> 00:29:22,5.9608328 If we feel angry and we feel powerless, then, that tends to fall into apathy. 349 00:29:22,5.9608328 --> 00:29:25,528.9540301 Or it falls into rage or it spills out in different ways. 350 00:29:25,621.0175222 --> 00:29:32,890.6093589 If we believe we have agency, if we believe we have some sense of power, if we believe that, our emotions, we understand that, that guides they. 351 00:29:32,895.6093589 --> 00:29:34,215.6093589 They tell us where to act. 352 00:29:34,215.6093589 --> 00:29:44,293.9993816 Maybe not how anger is a terrible emotion pill telling us how to act, but it's very good at telling us where you, then we have the tools to go, oh, okay, so this is like a compass of mine. 353 00:29:44,293.9993816 --> 00:29:45,523.9993816 This is telling me something. 354 00:29:45,703.9993816 --> 00:29:46,813.9993816 This matters to me. 355 00:29:47,23.9993816 --> 00:29:48,13.9993816 I care about this. 356 00:29:48,18.9993816 --> 00:29:48,913.9993816 I love this. 357 00:29:48,918.9993816 --> 00:29:52,393.9993816 This breaks my heart, this makes me sad, or I'm scared. 358 00:29:52,399.305504 --> 00:29:54,979.305504 And then, okay, I have some power and I'm not afraid. 359 00:29:55,512.6388373 --> 00:29:59,597.3667285 Because as change makers, sometimes we actually have a complex relationship to power. 360 00:29:59,602.3667285 --> 00:30:07,253.0016491 We think it's bad or it's always corrupted or the people power is fine, but it's not something that, we should really wield individually. 361 00:30:07,301.8565244 --> 00:30:14,200.0991548 And as long as we have these stories, and particularly for women, particularly for any sort of gender minority is there's a lot of stories that are around power as well. 362 00:30:14,268.6025562 --> 00:30:15,250.2125335 That it's shameful. 363 00:30:15,255.2125335 --> 00:30:17,444.8723974 Then we're not able to step forward. 364 00:30:17,444.8723974 --> 00:30:21,655.0538033 We're not able to do that work, which is what you're talking about and what I love of hey let's do. 365 00:30:21,655.0538033 --> 00:30:23,425.0538033 And let's showcase people doing things. 366 00:30:23,695.0538033 --> 00:30:25,273.8293135 Let's revolutionize business. 367 00:30:25,273.8293135 --> 00:30:26,653.8293135 Let's become preneurs. 368 00:30:26,653.8293135 --> 00:30:29,296.3576582 Let's start this movement over here. 369 00:30:29,296.3576582 --> 00:30:33,646.3576582 Let's create this community initiative over here because we need all of these different things. 370 00:30:33,656.3576582 --> 00:30:38,566.3576582 So we need to do this work of understanding power and understanding emotions to be able to get there. 371 00:30:38,576.3576582 --> 00:30:39,386.3576582 Yeah, definitely. 372 00:30:39,386.3576582 --> 00:30:39,716.3576582 Wow. 373 00:30:39,726.3576582 --> 00:30:40,336.3576582 I love that. 374 00:30:40,401.3576582 --> 00:30:44,835.0651412 And I know you just created your own podcast. 375 00:30:44,985.0651412 --> 00:30:49,550.9381571 What is that about and what are your goals with it? I did it is called the Public Love Project. 376 00:30:49,830.9381571 --> 00:30:50,918.4891775 And I'm really excited. 377 00:30:50,918.4891775 --> 00:30:53,201.7091321 It's still new and it's still kind finding its feed. 378 00:30:53,201.7091321 --> 00:30:57,957.0606061 It's such a fascinating kind of mechanism to get to play with and to meet some incredible people. 379 00:30:58,26.2556174 --> 00:31:01,56.2556174 So the Public Love Project is really about remaking the world. 380 00:31:01,176.2556174 --> 00:31:07,446.2556174 It's about exploring love as a public good and how do we create the conditions for social healing and collective thrive. 381 00:31:07,456.2556174 --> 00:31:10,246.2556174 So I'm speaking with all different types of change makers. 382 00:31:10,336.5957535 --> 00:31:25,880.9154813 Some who are very aligned with me, some who come from a very different point of view around this idea of, what does it mean to make change and how do we challenge our industries in our spaces? So currently we've had some episodes on deep ecology and this idea of sacred ecology. 383 00:31:25,910.9154813 --> 00:31:36,490.858792 So underpinning how mindfulness can affect our work and this idea of remaking hr some really incredible interviews with people who are doing some great work and disruption in that space. 384 00:31:36,519.4188827 --> 00:31:40,589.4642342 And also, from social entrepreneurs who have started ocean plastic recycling companies. 385 00:31:40,594.4642342 --> 00:31:41,284.4642342 So there. 386 00:31:41,549.4642342 --> 00:31:46,499.4642342 Beautiful array of people exploring different ways that together we can remake the world. 387 00:31:46,514.4642342 --> 00:31:46,994.4642342 That's awesome. 388 00:31:47,24.4642342 --> 00:31:51,826.7998351 I, I definitely hope that everyone listening will go check out your podcast. 389 00:31:51,826.7998351 --> 00:31:57,496.7998351 I'm definitely going to be having it on my screen to, to listen to here soon, so it'd be great. 390 00:31:57,496.7998351 --> 00:32:01,53.6479076 But how many episodes do you have out right now? We have eight episodes out so far. 391 00:32:01,53.6479076 --> 00:32:02,13.6479076 I believe so. 392 00:32:02,13.6479076 --> 00:32:02,83.6479076 Nice. 393 00:32:02,255.3485879 --> 00:32:04,485.3485879 It's still just early days, but it's very exciting. 394 00:32:04,850.3485879 --> 00:32:07,660.3485879 Yeah, beginning of podcast is always very exciting. 395 00:32:07,660.3485879 --> 00:32:11,50.3485879 I just hit my 50th episode last week. 396 00:32:11,380.3485879 --> 00:32:11,800.3485879 Congratulations. 397 00:32:11,830.3485879 --> 00:32:12,220.3485879 Yeah. 398 00:32:12,220.3485879 --> 00:32:13,270.3485879 I was like, wow. 399 00:32:13,342.4347557 --> 00:32:23,896.2556174 That's, it's one of those things where it's like you start doing about 10 and you're like, oh I'm getting into this, and then all of a sudden it's 50 and you're like, wow, It's and it's a commitment as well. 400 00:32:23,896.2556174 --> 00:32:24,302.0832818 It is. 401 00:32:24,307.0832818 --> 00:32:28,152.7182024 A lot of work and it's wow, okay, I've been doing this for six, seven months now. 402 00:32:28,152.7182024 --> 00:32:29,934.4528963 It's wow, okay, It's crazy. 403 00:32:29,934.4528963 --> 00:32:30,621.9132138 That is incredible. 404 00:32:30,667.8769326 --> 00:32:30,967.8769326 Thanks. 405 00:32:30,972.8769326 --> 00:32:34,658.704597 But yeah, I think yeah, everybody should definitely go check out your podcast. 406 00:32:34,658.704597 --> 00:32:38,456.1875902 I'll have it down the links and the show notes and you'll be able to check it out there. 407 00:32:38,696.1875902 --> 00:32:39,831.2556174 Yeah, that sounds wonderful. 408 00:32:39,882.321377 --> 00:32:47,221.5390641 And I'd like to hear, from you, where are your goals for the next six months for your business, for your podcasts? What are you hoping. 409 00:32:47,226.5390641 --> 00:32:47,676.5390641 Yeah. 410 00:32:47,676.5390641 --> 00:32:56,59.3395176 So with the next six months I'm really excited for the launch of the new course, which will be early in 2023 which will, it's the longest course that we'll have done. 411 00:32:56,64.3395176 --> 00:33:01,639.3395176 So this will be looking actually at about a six month journey for people, which I think really gives the space for. 412 00:33:01,682.3894042 --> 00:33:10,935.1445063 For integration and for seeing how this work actually applies to day life, because it is so easy to read a book or go to a workshop and to feel inspired and amazing. 413 00:33:11,205.1445063 --> 00:33:19,747.7068646 And then, two weeks later you turn around and you're like, okay, yeah, but like I've had this fight with my boss or my spouse and I'm feeling hopeless again. 414 00:33:19,752.7068646 --> 00:33:22,927.7068646 Or I've had this other thing come up and everything's so urgent. 415 00:33:23,257.7068646 --> 00:33:28,877.7182024 So it's really about creating the kind of integration space to really live the change that we're looking. 416 00:33:28,882.7182024 --> 00:33:38,593.7159349 So very excited for that and as well continuing to work one on one with clients in this space of regenerative leadership and how do we show up for a more beautiful world. 417 00:33:38,983.7159349 --> 00:33:41,545.8134405 So the, those are the spaces that I'm excited for. 418 00:33:41,555.8134405 --> 00:33:42,125.8134405 That's great. 419 00:33:42,130.8134405 --> 00:33:42,790.8134405 That's exciting. 420 00:33:42,790.8134405 --> 00:33:48,743.2284065 I think, that's so important to you have that time and space to be able to really integrate, cuz you're right. 421 00:33:48,771.9358895 --> 00:33:51,398.8633271 You can go to a workshop and you can. 422 00:33:51,408.8633271 --> 00:33:53,754.3508555 Really inspired and everything, is great. 423 00:33:53,754.3508555 --> 00:33:59,95.4959802 Or you can watch a video and it's oh, I'm feeling great for five minutes, and then back to normal life. 424 00:33:59,95.4959802 --> 00:34:00,783.8860029 So it's how do you really. 425 00:34:00,853.0470006 --> 00:34:02,23.0470006 Change your behavior. 426 00:34:02,23.0470006 --> 00:34:04,931.7544836 How do you really, change a mindset? And that takes time. 427 00:34:04,986.5617398 --> 00:34:08,116.5617398 You have to consistently be thinking about it on a day to day basis. 428 00:34:08,206.5617398 --> 00:34:18,259.2828283 Be reminding your brain so that you can start rewiring your brain because it's, those pathways, those neuron pathways that go through your brain of okay, you think of this thought. 429 00:34:18,539.2828283 --> 00:34:22,2.6161616 and then it goes and thinks of 10 other things that are associated with that. 430 00:34:22,31.9358895 --> 00:34:29,971.0401979 You've got to, if you're going to have that thought, you gotta be able to break that away from all those other 10, other connections that it's already, entangled with. 431 00:34:30,241.0401979 --> 00:34:30,966.0401979 And that takes time. 432 00:34:30,976.0401979 --> 00:34:33,936.8451866 Because, those neurons have to start firing with other neurons. 433 00:34:33,936.8451866 --> 00:34:36,549.4302206 And so it's work and it takes time to do that. 434 00:34:36,549.4302206 --> 00:34:39,849.4302206 So I think that six month exploration is really good for that. 435 00:34:39,918.613894 --> 00:34:40,998.613894 Yeah, absolutely. 436 00:34:40,998.613894 --> 00:34:53,346.3349825 And I've had the same experience like this work is all work that, I've done myself and continue to do myself, and I have been to workshops and had incredible mind blowing experiences and, great insights. 437 00:34:53,406.3349825 --> 00:34:54,996.3349825 And sometimes they've lost it. 438 00:34:54,996.3349825 --> 00:34:56,256.3349825 Sometimes they've really helped me. 439 00:34:56,256.3349825 --> 00:35:06,804.5776129 But a lot of the time, after a while I walk away and I feel, ah, okay like how do I keep doing this? Or how do I relate that information to this? And exactly what you're talking about, that space. 440 00:35:06,809.5776129 --> 00:35:08,162.2306741 I think that's where we need to be. 441 00:35:08,179.1807875 --> 00:35:08,959.1807875 Yeah, definitely. 442 00:35:09,229.1807875 --> 00:35:20,960.1445063 And for your courses, are they, completely online or do they have a little aspect of meeting with you? How does that work? No, completely online which suits me because I'm actually moving to Montreal in two months now. 443 00:35:20,960.1445063 --> 00:35:25,604.4075448 I'm currently in Sydney, Australia for anybody who can hear my accent And it's exciting to actually. 444 00:35:25,609.7476809 --> 00:35:26,929.7476809 Be able to work from anywhere. 445 00:35:26,989.7476809 --> 00:35:29,299.7476809 That's always been something that's really important to me. 446 00:35:29,299.7476809 --> 00:35:35,767.7748918 And so many of the students at the school, and so many of the people that I work with, we're coming from very different places in the world. 447 00:35:35,797.4347557 --> 00:35:44,875.8701299 Whether it's South Africa, the us, the uk Belgium, and we're coming together with these same kind of struggles and these same desires to see something new. 448 00:35:45,145.8701299 --> 00:35:50,793.3757988 So I think we are able to offer ourselves a really unique perspective when we have that diversity. 449 00:35:50,798.3757988 --> 00:35:51,548.3757988 Yeah, definitely. 450 00:35:51,586.7884972 --> 00:35:55,359.3168419 And that's ly so helpful to be able to, impact everyone of you around the world. 451 00:35:55,359.3168419 --> 00:35:58,179.3168419 It is one of the amazing things of the day and age that we live in. 452 00:35:58,179.3168419 --> 00:36:00,873.9540301 It's know, I can connect with people in City Australia. 453 00:36:00,873.9540301 --> 00:36:03,998.2964337 I'm living here in, Raleigh, North Carolina on east coast of the us. 454 00:36:03,998.2964337 --> 00:36:08,150.8247784 So it's we can have this conversation it, and it's a beautiful time, that we live in, which is awesome. 455 00:36:08,203.4098124 --> 00:36:13,694.0674088 And for you I like to ask this question, just, what are you currently learning right now? Oh, gosh. 456 00:36:13,724.0674088 --> 00:36:14,24.0674088 Okay. 457 00:36:14,24.0674088 --> 00:36:22,946.9699031 So I'll go with two things just to match, the focus of this, which is the outer and the inner the outer external thing that I'm learning at the moment is French, because obvious. 458 00:36:23,236.9699031 --> 00:36:24,46.9699031 Montreal. 459 00:36:24,385.7680891 --> 00:36:25,225.7680891 It's challenging. 460 00:36:25,225.7680891 --> 00:36:27,937.842919 There are so many tenses, I think I'll get there. 461 00:36:27,947.842919 --> 00:36:28,517.842919 So we'll see. 462 00:36:28,517.842919 --> 00:36:29,747.842919 I think immersion will help. 463 00:36:29,757.842919 --> 00:36:34,806.2556174 And the second thing on a more inner or personal level, I think is self-compassion. 464 00:36:34,836.2556174 --> 00:36:41,929.9857761 That's certainly been a thing for me lately, how do I practice not just mindfulness and not just gentleness, but really honest compassion for. 465 00:36:42,406.6524428 --> 00:36:43,967.3553906 So that's the space that I'm playing at the. 466 00:36:44,664.8497217 --> 00:36:45,54.8497217 Yeah. 467 00:36:45,54.8497217 --> 00:36:49,801.1082251 And that's really difficult to explore because, you can have so much compassion for other people. 468 00:36:49,801.1082251 --> 00:36:51,91.1082251 We're always taught to do that. 469 00:36:51,91.1082251 --> 00:36:58,111.1082251 And having compassion for ourselves and for our body is hugely important, but we don't value it and we don't do it enough. 470 00:36:58,201.1082251 --> 00:37:02,989.5209235 And so I think that's definitely a place that I think everyone can learn and grow in. 471 00:37:02,994.5209235 --> 00:37:05,44.5209235 I applaud you for going for that definitely. 472 00:37:05,49.5209235 --> 00:37:05,909.5209235 And for you. 473 00:37:06,109.5209235 --> 00:37:16,364.5209235 Do you have any tips for any preneurs or entrepreneurs in the audience about, just one thing that could help them grow or help them grow personally? I think. 474 00:37:16,369.5209235 --> 00:37:26,821.8792002 Be careful falling into the illusion of I can rest when, or I'll be happy when, and this is something that so many of us, including myself tend to fall into that. 475 00:37:26,831.3576582 --> 00:37:29,771.3576582 Especially as entrepreneurs or as eco printers in the early stages. 476 00:37:29,771.3576582 --> 00:37:32,951.3576582 And there's so much to do and we're doing everything ourselves. 477 00:37:33,311.3576582 --> 00:37:34,433.6479076 And so it's oh, okay. 478 00:37:34,455.8928056 --> 00:37:35,829.475572 Like I just gotta push through. 479 00:37:35,829.475572 --> 00:37:40,865.4052773 I've just gotta keep doing this and, So we fall into the hustle culture that in a sense we're trying to escape. 480 00:37:40,865.4052773 --> 00:37:48,140.427953 Many of us are with the idea that we can give it up at some but that day that we think we can give it up almost never comes. 481 00:37:48,145.427953 --> 00:37:51,481.7658215 There's never that place that we reach where it's oh, I can rest now. 482 00:37:51,781.7658215 --> 00:37:53,311.7658215 Oh, I can be happy now. 483 00:37:53,371.7658215 --> 00:37:54,871.7658215 I've done it and it's enough. 484 00:37:54,945.4392909 --> 00:37:58,35.4392909 We don't know what satiated or satisfied really feels like. 485 00:37:58,35.4392909 --> 00:37:58,715.4392909 A lot of the. 486 00:37:58,720.4392909 --> 00:38:02,470.4392909 So my advice is maybe don't fall into that trap early. 487 00:38:02,750.4392909 --> 00:38:03,732.3894042 Yes, work hard. 488 00:38:03,762.3894042 --> 00:38:06,636.9245516 Yes, put in effort, but listen to your body. 489 00:38:06,641.9245516 --> 00:38:08,295.5753453 Learn what, say shitty feels like. 490 00:38:08,295.5753453 --> 00:38:10,125.5753453 Learn what feeling good feels like. 491 00:38:10,125.5753453 --> 00:38:16,677.5141208 Learn what enoughness feels and then try and use that as a guide as you work, because you know it's not gonna happen down the line. 492 00:38:16,677.5141208 --> 00:38:20,167.5141208 It happens now and in integrating it now in those early days. 493 00:38:20,177.5141208 --> 00:38:20,657.5141208 Yeah. 494 00:38:20,657.5141208 --> 00:38:33,363.2510823 And that's been a really big thing for me, especially too of, doing this exploration of yeah, I keep on, hustling, and like the whole, purpose of a lot of what I was doing was to spend more time with my son. 495 00:38:33,363.2510823 --> 00:38:40,334.4869099 He's two years old and it's like I've been doing this for two years and I realized that I've been hustling so much to get to this. 496 00:38:40,344.4869099 --> 00:38:47,706.4143476 Spending more time with him that I'm actually not spending, just the absolute opposite has happened and I'm like, Ugh, like this isn't right. 497 00:38:47,711.4143476 --> 00:38:52,956.4143476 And I kept on thinking like, oh, there's this goal when I reach here, then I'll be able to do that. 498 00:38:53,16.4143476 --> 00:38:55,896.4143476 Like I'll be able to spend more time with my son when I do this. 499 00:38:55,906.4143476 --> 00:38:58,226.4143476 But I realized like, okay, I could do. 500 00:38:59,209.7476809 --> 00:39:17,677.582148 Or I could remanufacture my life, think a little creatively, figure out a way to do it now because it's not those end goals that we reach cuz there's all these studies that have been done realize that when you reach goals then you either create a new goal or you always extended longer or what happens when you reach that goal. 501 00:39:17,677.582148 --> 00:39:22,55.3145743 And those goals usually last the happiness from achieving a goal will last. 502 00:39:22,118.704597 --> 00:39:41,768.5005154 A week or maybe two, but okay, how do you manufacture happiness on a day to day basis? And so I've been looking at this, exploring that too, about okay, so instead of focusing oh, I'm going to reach happiness when I reach this goal, like how do I manufacture a day to day happiness in my life? And I think that's, a hugely. 503 00:39:41,773.5005154 --> 00:39:45,333.5005154 Difficult and transformational, piece to explore. 504 00:39:45,333.5005154 --> 00:39:47,793.5005154 But it's something that I've been definitely working through as well. 505 00:39:47,823.5005154 --> 00:39:53,58.0810142 Cuz it's yeah, I could keep trying and I could keep going for that goal and then say when I hit that goal then I'll be happy. 506 00:39:53,63.0810142 --> 00:40:00,896.4937126 But will I really And I love what you're touching on there is a little bit of the essence of what public love enterprises is really about as well. 507 00:40:00,896.4937126 --> 00:40:06,502.151309 Because as change makers or as activists, sometimes we have this idea that we just need to create this change. 508 00:40:06,502.151309 --> 00:40:13,990.8361163 We just need to get this next thing and this next bill pass or this next rally, or this next invention, this next company, whatever it might be. 509 00:40:13,995.8361163 --> 00:40:15,45.8361163 The change is always out there. 510 00:40:15,45.8361163 --> 00:40:16,115.8361163 It's always in the distance. 511 00:40:16,120.8361163 --> 00:40:17,505.8361163 It's always somewhere far off. 512 00:40:17,805.8361163 --> 00:40:37,357.672851 And if we are not able to experience the sense of peace that we wanna see in the world, if we're not able to experience the sense of thriving that we wanna see in the world, if we're not able to experience the sense of feeling whole, the sense of healing, the sense of compassion for one another that we wanna see in the world, if we can't experience that in ourselves. 513 00:40:37,367.672851 --> 00:40:38,657.672851 We will not see it out there. 514 00:40:38,717.672851 --> 00:40:39,677.672851 It will not happen. 515 00:40:39,682.672851 --> 00:40:47,2.672851 So grounding ourselves in the experiences that we wanna create, that we want to see is really where this work is. 516 00:40:47,2.672851 --> 00:40:48,362.4007421 And, it's so relatable. 517 00:40:48,367.4007421 --> 00:40:50,467.4007421 As me on a personal level, I love travel. 518 00:40:50,467.4007421 --> 00:40:51,697.4007421 Travel is my lifeblood. 519 00:40:51,902.4007421 --> 00:41:00,762.4007421 It's one of the reasons I've always loved and wanted to be like self-employed, and yet sometimes running my own business, I'm like, no, I can't take that week off or I need to be working while I'm there. 520 00:41:00,762.4007421 --> 00:41:13,37.6819213 And it's like all of these things and it's like, why did you start this? Yeah, this deeper prep is, but one of the things was I wanted more freedom to go places and to travel and to work from where I wanted to work and to live how I wanted to live. 521 00:41:13,47.6819213 --> 00:41:15,643.997114 So it's challenging that belief that still. 522 00:41:15,653.997114 --> 00:41:17,958.5322614 One day you can travel one day. 523 00:41:17,986.1172954 --> 00:41:24,166.1172954 Once you've just reached these enrollments, once you've done this, you can spend time with your son and you'll have those free days. 524 00:41:24,171.1172954 --> 00:41:30,119.8474541 Once you've reached that moment and reached those numbers, that's where the work is challenging that belief early on. 525 00:41:30,129.8474541 --> 00:41:31,149.8474541 Yeah, definitely. 526 00:41:31,179.8474541 --> 00:41:32,54.8474541 And it takes work. 527 00:41:32,64.8474541 --> 00:41:44,845.8678623 Laura if anybody would like to reach out to you to learn more about what you're doing and, hear more about you, talk to you, spend some time with you, how can they reach out to you? So my website is laura hartley.com. 528 00:41:44,845.8678623 --> 00:41:48,586.8655947 That's h a r t l e y for anybody looking to spell that. 529 00:41:48,635.7431458 --> 00:41:50,645.7431458 I'm also on LinkedIn, if that's your space. 530 00:41:50,645.7431458 --> 00:41:54,65.7431458 And I'm very active on Instagram at Laura h dot Hartley. 531 00:41:54,70.7431458 --> 00:41:54,940.7431458 Go check me out. 532 00:41:54,940.7431458 --> 00:41:58,230.7431458 Feel free to reach out if you have any questions, and I'd love to connect. 533 00:41:58,240.7431458 --> 00:41:58,630.7431458 Great. 534 00:41:58,660.7431458 --> 00:41:59,110.7431458 Thank you. 535 00:41:59,360.7431458 --> 00:42:02,136.8882705 Laura, it's been really awesome speaking with you today. 536 00:42:02,136.8882705 --> 00:42:17,754.0424655 I've had such a great time having you on the show and talking about this is a space that I'm personally very interested in, and I think it'll be great for any entrepreneurs listening to be able to, do some introspection, be able to look at where they're at in their lives and be able to take this and really grow with it. 537 00:42:17,754.0424655 --> 00:42:20,850.5957535 Thank you so much for coming on the show, and I hope to have you back on. 538 00:42:20,855.5957535 --> 00:42:21,485.5957535 Absolutely. 539 00:42:21,485.5957535 --> 00:42:22,925.5957535 And thank you so much for having me on. 540 00:42:22,925.5957535 --> 00:42:24,126.2306741 Like I love the show. 541 00:42:24,126.2306741 --> 00:42:26,586.2306741 I love what you're doing, so it was such a joy. 542 00:42:26,646.2306741 --> 00:42:27,336.2306741 So thank you. 543 00:42:27,341.2306741 --> 00:42:52,901.2306741 And if you join this interview with Laura and all the transformational work that we talked about, and you would like to dive deep into these topics and see the transformational change that can take place when you separate your expectations from internalized capitalism and find a way to escape burnout, then I invite you to check out the links and then subscription below to join one of Laura's programs in her online school for change makers.

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