Why do companies spend billions on leadership development only to see engagement scores tank and top talent quit? The answer often lies in the "blind spots" of the human mind. In this episode of the Growth Hacking Culture podcast, we sit down with Sébastien Page, a leader in quantitative finance and author of The Psychology of Leadership.
Sébastien shares how his own journey through high-stakes stress led him to the world of behavioral and sports psychology. We discuss why the most effective leadership doesn't start with managing your team, but with managing your own brain. From distinguishing between luck and skill to understanding the "Roger Federer mindset," this conversation provides a science-based roadmap for anyone looking to improve their management of individuals, teams, and themselves.
Key topics include:
Self-Management: Why the journey to better leadership starts with changing your brain, not just your team.
Luck vs. Skill: How to distinguish between talent and randomness in high-stakes decision-making.
The Feedback Loop: Strategies to reduce the stress response during performance reviews.
Goal-Induced Blindness: Avoiding the ethical pitfalls and "metrics obsession" that can tank organizational culture.
The Psychology of Leadership: Timeless Principles to Improve Your Management of Individuals, Teams, and Yourself by Sébastien Page
Thinking in Bets: Making Smarter Decisions When You Don't Have All the Facts by Annie Duke
Skin in the Game: Hidden Asymmetries in Daily Life by Nassim Nicholas Taleb
Drive: The Surprising Truth About What Motivates Us by Daniel H. Pink
3:54 – Sebastien's journey from quantitative finance to sports psychology
8:12 – The Dr. Daniel Zimmert story: Why losing can be your "best match"
17:18 – The Roger Federer 54% rule for handling professional losses
21:50 – The Luck vs. Skill trap in leadership decision-making
26:22 – Handling "Black Swans" and building organizational resilience
31:15 – The "Feedback Fallacy" and the biology of the stress response
35:50 – Why asking for feedback is 50% less stressful than receiving it
40:24 – Intrinsic vs. Extrinsic motivation: Moving beyond "Carrot and Stick"
45:08 – Goal-Induced Blindness: Lessons from Volkswagen and Wells Fargo
49:40 – The Harvard Study: Why relationships are the ultimate indicator of success
51:10 – The foundation of leadership: Why sleep and ethics matter most
About the book: The Psychology of Leadership
LinkedIn: Sebastien Page
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