May 14, 2024 • 23 mins
Kyal Currant is what society classes disabled. He's also well-educated, into fitness and striving for a better tomorrow.
In this conversation, Kyal shares his unique perspective, offering a glimpse into how the world looks from his point of view and what he believes needs to change.
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Kyal (00:00):
Something that I've had to deal with most of my life is to, is the sense
of people not, I would say not knowing,but like , what are they going to say?
Stacy (00:35):
Kyle Currant shares his lived experience so that people can be
better tomorrow than they were today.
And during this conversation, he answersquestions people might be afraid to ask.
Kyal (00:47):
I was born with a degenerative nerve disease.
That was me in my whole life.
I've just had to,
I had to literally learn how tocommunicate with people, learn how to,
um, express myself in the right way.
Because every time I did.
I would get shut down and peoplewouldn't know how to communicate with me.
Now I like, I teach peoplehow to communicate with me.
(01:09):
I tell them how to come and approach me.
I tell them like, , if there's asituation like rise and they come and
approach me in a different way, like nexttime, just please make sure you ask me
permission first and all the other stuff.
Stacy (01:22):
So how do you feel about labels?
Kyal (01:24):
Labels are absolutely fucked.
The amount of labels I've been called, theamount of labels people put on, put on us,
whether you're going through different,different challenges or different things
in your life, one should put a labelon you based off whether you have a
disability, based off if you don't have adisability, based off what you're feeling,
(01:47):
based off what your experience is.
Labels are just
a label.
The moment you class it as
you become that label.
When you can step away from it and knowthat it's just a word someone's addressing
you with because they don't know how toaddress you with it, then you can really
(02:11):
disown yourself from what the label is.
example,
labeling someone as disabled is purely,I wouldn't, it's, it's wrong because
they could have more ability than them.
A disability isn'twithout a high nobility.
(02:33):
Just because they look different, theymay say things different, they may
Express themselves differently doesn'tmean they should be labeled for it.
They should, they're just,they're just a normal human
being that just has challenges.
Stacy (02:44):
and do you see labels as being different to when we categorize people?
So if we call someone an, anentrepreneur, for example,
if we're looking at their vocation
or , . A middle aged man.
How do you see those things?
Kyal (03:01):
Well, that's the first time I've been asked that question.
I look at it because it's funny becausewords are just words and we associate
the meaning to whatever we believe in.
And those beliefs come fromconditioning societal stuff, whatever
you've been taught as a child.
And you've got to educate yourself,whatever that is, whether that's jumping
(03:26):
on Google, whether that's asking someone,whether that's books, whether that's any
person development, is learn about it.
Don't automatically assume thejudgement purely based off how
they look, what they look like.
And I'm still like, me personally, likeI'm still grappling with it, I'm still
coming to terms with my own issues.
With my own being of who I am andsometimes I project things on others
(03:49):
that I shouldn't project because that'show I'm feeling on myself internally
and I'm still learning that, I'm stillwanting to understand it more, why it's
coming up because I've always surroundedmyself with people that have been normal
in a way, that haven't had disabilities.
So now it's like, I've got this gift . Sonow I'm learning a deeper part of myself
(04:10):
through expressing that to people.
Stacy (04:12):
When you feel like you're not treating people as well as you
should, what does that look like?
Kyal (04:17):
Everyone's a mirror, right?
We're all a mirror of ourselves,a reflection of ourselves.
So when I'm not treating someoneright, that means I'm not treating
myself right in that instant moment.
I'm not respecting myself,not showing myself compassion,
not showing myself curiosity.
What does that look like?
Not very pleasant, yet Icatch myself more aware of it.
Like moments later, I'll, for example,I had this situation today where I was
(04:41):
feeling shit about myself, like, and thenI took it out on a customer, and then I
like sat on the, Oh crap, I'm gonna Andhe's like, call me back another time.
And then I sat with it for like15, 20 minutes and I was like,
oh, okay, , I end up sending hima message saying I apologize.
So I said, and so what that lookedlike, what that felt like was pure
disgrace on my end, on my part.
(05:03):
Because I didn't wanthim to feel like that.
That wasn't my intention at all.
I was frustrated with myself andI let it out on someone else,
which I shouldn't have done.
And I figured myself for it.
Show myself compassion andlove for it and apologize.
Stacy (05:20):
what's the worst thing someone said to you.
And the best thing
Kyal (05:24):
It's, it's funny because they're both parallel with each other.
So, they have a balancing act.
It's like someone saysto me, you're weird.
And I'm like, yeah, I know I am.
I'm proud of it.
And the worst thing they can say isyou're weird because they may see
something in you , that triggers them.
. Stacy (05:45):
How often do you feel separate from those around you?
Kyal (05:50):
more more than, more than I should, I feel like I've had so many negative
things said to me my whole life, that itcan take an effect when you get older, yet
it also can, can ripple that effect andmake you I'm a much better human being.
I've learnt to just deal with it, andtake it in, and now I've learnt to
(06:16):
know that that's on them, not on me.
I used to take it very personally,and sometimes I still do.
That's still something I'm learning aboutmyself, is I Take things personally, I
know it's not meant to be personally, yetI have so much compassion for people and
so much passion for life and business andeverything else that it really just annoys
(06:40):
me when people turn away opportunitiesthat can help them be better.
Take things personally, I know it's not
Stacy (06:45):
And what's your perception of diversity campaigns that
you might have seen over the
years?
I feel like we talk a lot aboutinclusion, but what does that look
like from where you're sitting?
Yeah.
Kyal (06:58):
We all come together, and don't call it diversity, just call
it, don't have to name anything.
Us coming together as humanbeings and a collaborative thing.
And that's the hardest thing, likesometimes I feel like I've always been
alone, like I'm the oldest of fivekids, but I've done things by myself.
(07:20):
I've had the right network aroundme, yet I've always felt alone.
I've never felt like loved how I want tobe loved, how I should have been loved.
And that's not on my family,not on my parents or anything.
That's because that's all they knew.
They didn't, they didn't know any better.
And I'm grateful when I'llhave so much love for them and
they don't know what they knew.
So it's, it's created a love formyself that allows me to not react
(07:45):
in those moments when there's labelsput around and any campaign for
that instant, it should be just.
We're all, we're all connected whether,whether we want to believe it or not.
We all have somethingto give to the world.
It's just everyone's on theirown journey and it's a matter
of finding that for yourself.
Stacy (08:04):
So when you're out in public, what things do you experience that the rest of
us could change or could be doing better?
Kyal (08:15):
How you react, how you react to situations, how you react to
the smallest things, and alsowhat you appreciate in life.
There's so many people.
In the world that complain aboutthe smallest things and I, I get it.
I mean, I've been there before.
I still catch myself.
Sometimes we all do.
(08:36):
I'm generalizing that most people do.
But the two biggest things are howyou react to what someone says, what
someone does and also just complainingabout the smallest things when there's
so much more going on in the worldthan complaining about what, where,
where, complaining about what, what towatch on TV or, or , this person cut
(09:00):
me off in traffic lights or where'sthe, where's the food in the cupboard.
Like it's just, there's so much elsegoing on around the world that you
can, that you can complain about.
Stacy (09:12):
Where do you think that comes from when you see people acting like that?
Kyal (09:16):
Comes from their, belief, comes from the people they surround themselves
with, comes from their conditioning,comes from the media, the news, because
the media, the news, is all fearmongering at the day, like they put
us in this fear state, and that's howthey keep us trapped in society norms,
in the conditioning of who we are, andpeople are always about negative news.
(09:37):
You don't, you don't hear aboutthe positive news, , it's a whole
compound effect of different thingsthat that plays out and in most
people, they're not aware until theybecome aware that they're doing it and
people don't take the responsibilityto own up to what they're doing or
to actually know that whatthey're complaining about is the
(10:00):
internal representation of howthey're feeling about themselves.
I'm always striving to bea better person than I was.
. I have the awareness andthe respect on myself to, to
stay present in where I'm at.
And that's something I'm learning todo and be present in where I'm at.
So the strive is always going to belike, I desire for more in my life.
(10:20):
, I have high standards of myself.
So I expect more for myself.
Stacy (10:26):
And how do you structure your wheat?
Kyal (10:28):
I plan my weeks on a calendar.
Um, my work is very good because it'slike, it's, it's allowed me to become
disciplined and I've done challenges.
Three different posts,three different books.
And that's allowed me to becomedisciplined, my routine or
rituals, I like to call it.
And it's just prioritizingthat over anything else.
And that's going to, that's goingto allow me to fill my cup up first
(10:51):
before I fill anyone else's cup.
Stacy (10:53):
So can you tell me a couple of things that fill your cup
, Kyal (10:57):
I love to train in the morning, uh, whether it's half an hour of
exercise movement in the body, somethingI never used to do many years ago.
Um, I go down to the beach, I do mybreast work, my meditation, read a book,
uh, whether it's over nighttime, justchill over nighttime, uh, Just enjoy
(11:18):
the simple things, being in nature, um,connecting with people, when I choose
to connect with them I like to be myown little ball of energy, like to be
with myself a lot, um, and when I feelcalled to connect with people I do.
And I like to experience little simplethings in life by having a morning coffee
(11:41):
of a morning and watching this, havingthe sun on my face of a morning and just
getting the sun and the water on me.
Stacy (11:49):
Can you tell me a little bit more about your disability?
Kyal (11:53):
So it's called Sharko Murraytooth.
So that's spelt C H A R CO T, hyphen Murray, M A R I
E, hyphen tooth, T O O T H.
It's a degenerative nervedisease that affects 2.
6 million people globally.
Um, now, this diseasehas three specific types
(12:17):
to which my diagnosis is not diagnosed.
Um,
symptoms of this disease areweakness of the muscles and nerves.
Some people call it muscular dystrophy.
It's a mixture of different disorders.
It's named after The three founders of it.
Um, there's no known cureexcept for like exercising and
stretching is very important.
(12:37):
Um, symptoms of it would be tremors inthe body, weakness of muscles and nerves,
um, lost sensations in, in, in muscles,like feelings of the feet and stuff.
I believe that I can overcome thisthrough doing inner work, through
doing the quantum physics side of work.
And I have, I've, I've achievedintangible results in my life that's
(12:58):
allowed me to know that, What I'mdoing is overcoming, is healing it.
So I believe that through my ownhealing, I can overcome what I've got.
And it's a degenerative nervousness.
So it's passed down from generations.
We're all made up of a nervous system.
That's what we are.
We are human beings.
We're made of a nervous system.
So I truly believe that we can overcomeany obstacle we have in our life.
(13:21):
So this disease I've seen people, I'vemet people along my own journey that
haven't found out till later on in life.
So I was fortunate enough.
I didn't start walking until I was two.
And that's when my mom took meto the doctor's and I was seeing
neurologists, nurses, all the wayup until I was twenty It's a 26, 27.
(13:43):
That's when I decided to do my ownthing because they were telling me
the same things that I was alreadyexperiencing without any, without
any proven results from that.
And since doing that, I'm now getting onething with the condition is we walk funny.
We have a limp when we walk.
I'm walking much better.
I'm getting brain coherencefrom my brain, from my head to
(14:04):
my feet to learn how to walk.
I can run like I can.
I can do certain things thatpeople with the disease can't do.
, I had orthotics growing up as a child.
So I had splints in my ankles tohelp me walk because I was, I get so,
I used to get so tired so quickly.
Um, and yeah, it's a, it's justa disease that hasn't got, it's
(14:27):
still getting research done on it.
Um, and I believe I'm a one ofa kind human being purely based
off, based off the fact theycan't determine what type I have.
Stacy (14:37):
So with people that have your condition, does it look
like a really exaggerated limp?
Is that
Kyal (14:44):
It's like a limp, but like people with it have like, for example, um,
the, the, it gets, it gets progressive,progressively gets older when I get worse.
So if I don't, let's, for example, ifI don't exercise, let's say for three
or four days, My body will stiffen uplike my body will like it'd be in more
pain than it was if I didn't train.
(15:06):
Um, and for people it has like,it is like no muscles and no
nerves in their legs and feet.
It's more, it's morereflective from the waist down.
My father's got the condition as well.
And I believe I take after someof his traits of just working and
he doesn't really, he doesn't.
He doesn't act like he's got a disability,he just does his thing, just works.
Um, and there's like, lots ofmuscles in the hands and feet.
(15:31):
Um, I'm very grateful that mysymptoms aren't to that extent.
Because I've got it from an earlyage, and I've started helping from an
early age, where some people, They,they don't get until they, later on
in life and they don't know they haveit until they get diagnosed with it.
Stacy (15:49):
How do you feel that your dad compares with the general population?
If I can ask it in that way,
Kyal (15:56):
He's just a normal p, he's just a normal person that's very outright, uh,
very obnoxious sometimes and, and, uh,very out there and doesn't care what any
people, what anyone thinks about him.
Stacy (16:06):
See, it would be great if we could give people some practical tips
what they can do in the moment, becausewe would all like to be more educated.
That usually comes after we stuff up.
And I'd like to ask you if somebody isstartled by recognizing a disability
(16:30):
that they didn't see before.
And they don't react in the best way.
Is there something that theycould say to that person?
Because I could imagine that forsomeone with a disability, that's,
that's not a great experience.
Could they apologize in a waythat would be positive or is it
(16:53):
best just to remove themselves?
Kyal (16:55):
it's up to that person and what their intention is, um, in that moment
and how they're feeling about themselves,but I always say, like, is it okay, ask
them the question, is it okay if I askyou something, because I find that's
what, that's what, um, helps me, islike, if, if someone wants to hear you,
they'll hear you, if they want to feelyou, they'll feel you, if they want to
(17:17):
speak to you, they'll speak to you, and ifsomeone says no, honor their boundaries,
honor, honor what they're saying to you,because They may not want to hear it,
.Stacy: So that's not a sorry mate situation,
, Kyal (17:30):
it's funny because , we play this draw card as, us as humans, it's
called the um, the victim triangle.
It's called the uh, drama triangle,
, So we all play out as human beings, like we're either going to be the
rescuer, so we want to save everyone.
We're going to be the, theperpetrator, where we, where we
blame everyone for our problems.
(17:52):
And then we play the victimcard, where we, um, why me?
Like why this, why this happening to me?
So, and we all play that in thecycles, whether you've, whether
you're aware of it or not,
. And the thing is, when you're dealingwith someone with disability, dealing
with someone in general, and you'rewanting to approach them because you're
(18:14):
curious about who they are or what theylook like or, or, or how they say things.
So don't feel sorry for thembecause they were born with
whatever they were born with.
Doesn't mean you have to feelsorry for them, because the moment
you feel sorry for them, thatmeans you're sorry for yourself.
Stacy (18:31):
But this is interesting too because perhaps the person that
said sorry mate was apologising for
Kyal (18:35):
and that's, and that's, that's in reality because we're a reflection
of each other, so you could be sayingsorry because you may feel something
within yourself that needs to be healedin that moment and people, people
go around saying sorry all the time.
It's like, well, what are you sorry for?
Are you sorry for your life, that theway it is, or are you sorry because
you actually truly deeply mean it?
Or are you just saying sorrybecause you're saying sorry?
Stacy (18:58):
So,
if you can respond in a waythat is just about yourself,
Kyal (19:04):
I always like to say to people, express, communicate, express your truth.
, don't shut up, because youdon't want to say something.
, if it feels on your heartto say something, say it.
Like, the worst thing they cansay, they're just gonna, they're
gonna react to it and they're notgonna know how to react to it.
But don't think that that's not toexpress that because my personal
experience is I've always beenshut down for whatever I say.
(19:24):
But I know that what I say now isjust a representation of that person,
that they, it's a trigger for themto heal a wound in themselves.
Stacy (19:32):
It's an interesting space because people, people need
to learn what to do, but often
when you're learning, you'regoing to make mistakes.
Kyal (19:40):
Exactly.
. We're always going to fail.
Like you're going to, they're going tobe more failures and success in life.
And that's something I've learned,learned myself the hard way and I'm
going through right now in my life.
So it's just knowing that you'vegot to learn, you've got to
learn this stuff for yourself.
And then once you get a lot ofit for yourself, you can teach
others and educate others on it.
Stacy (19:59):
do you think people have gotten a bit precious in this space
there's a bit too much expectations.
So if we talk about the fact thatwe're all going to suffer up, but we
don't feel like it's okay and if wedon't stuff up, how on earth are we
gonna get better in terms of relatingto people who are not like, ourselves?
, Kyal (20:22):
at the end of the day, like, we're going to make mistakes.
Everything that we do in our life isalways happening in divine timing.
You're on your journey where youare because that's where you are.
You're not going to get to a point inlife where everything becomes better
unless you go through those lessons.
They're not mistakes, they're lessons.
They're not losses, they're learnings.
(20:45):
They're not, they're not wins,they're just, it's part of life.
Stacy (20:50):
But I guess on the flip side, each person that we see with
a disability shouldn't necessarilyhave the responsibility to
be our teacher.
Kyal (21:02):
Exactly, and it's, and that's, that's, that's the lesson itself, right?
It's like, each person with a disabilitydoesn't have to be that person, but
when, when you see that in that person,then sometimes that's what happens.
And that's, and you've gotta, you've gottaexperience it, like, there, Everyone's
(21:25):
going through their own challenges.
Everyone going through theirown things, they're going
through, we all go through it.
People think they're alone, when inreality everyone goes through it.
Stacy (21:34):
Is there anything that we haven't talked about that you think we should
have?
Kyal (21:38):
No, I think this is a beautiful, beautiful, I I, , like I could talk about
this for days and I love it because it'slike opens up a can of worms and, and
, there's so much in this conversation.
We could be here for hours.
and especially with someonelike yourself that, , is all for
learning about different things.
So it's beautiful.
(21:59):
I think if people have questions, andthey want to, um, understand these
concepts, these values, we've, what we'vegone through on, on this podcast episode,
then feel free to reach out to me likethat's, I'm all for that educating people.
I mean, that's where my teaching thingcomes into place and I love teaching it.
Um, and.
(22:19):
And at the same time, you've got toexperience that stuff for yourself though.
You've got to, you've got to gothrough those moments to understand
the lessons in those moments.
And unless you've done that, you're notgoing to get to where you want to go.
And where you already arecould be where you need to be
Stacy (22:37):
Kyle's story shows how important it is to connect authentically with
people, not just those with disabilities.
And to do that, we need to look behind thelabel and see each other as humans first.
Something that I've had to deal with most of my life is to, is the sense
of people not, I would say not knowing,but like , what are they going to say?
Stacy (00:35):
Kyle Currant shares his lived experience so that people can be
better tomorrow than they were today.
And during this conversation, he answersquestions people might be afraid to ask.
Kyal (00:47):
I was born with a degenerative nerve disease.
That was me in my whole life.
I've just had to,
I had to literally learn how tocommunicate with people, learn how to,
um, express myself in the right way.
Because every time I did.
I would get shut down and peoplewouldn't know how to communicate with me.
Now I like, I teach peoplehow to communicate with me.
(01:09):
I tell them how to come and approach me.
I tell them like, , if there's asituation like rise and they come and
approach me in a different way, like nexttime, just please make sure you ask me
permission first and all the other stuff.
Stacy (01:22):
So how do you feel about labels?
Kyal (01:24):
Labels are absolutely fucked.
The amount of labels I've been called, theamount of labels people put on, put on us,
whether you're going through different,different challenges or different things
in your life, one should put a labelon you based off whether you have a
disability, based off if you don't have adisability, based off what you're feeling,
(01:47):
based off what your experience is.
Labels are just
a label.
The moment you class it as
you become that label.
When you can step away from it and knowthat it's just a word someone's addressing
you with because they don't know how toaddress you with it, then you can really
(02:11):
disown yourself from what the label is.
example,
labeling someone as disabled is purely,I wouldn't, it's, it's wrong because
they could have more ability than them.
A disability isn'twithout a high nobility.
(02:33):
Just because they look different, theymay say things different, they may
Express themselves differently doesn'tmean they should be labeled for it.
They should, they're just,they're just a normal human
being that just has challenges.
Stacy (02:44):
and do you see labels as being different to when we categorize people?
So if we call someone an, anentrepreneur, for example,
if we're looking at their vocation
or , . A middle aged man.
How do you see those things?
Kyal (03:01):
Well, that's the first time I've been asked that question.
I look at it because it's funny becausewords are just words and we associate
the meaning to whatever we believe in.
And those beliefs come fromconditioning societal stuff, whatever
you've been taught as a child.
And you've got to educate yourself,whatever that is, whether that's jumping
(03:26):
on Google, whether that's asking someone,whether that's books, whether that's any
person development, is learn about it.
Don't automatically assume thejudgement purely based off how
they look, what they look like.
And I'm still like, me personally, likeI'm still grappling with it, I'm still
coming to terms with my own issues.
With my own being of who I am andsometimes I project things on others
(03:49):
that I shouldn't project because that'show I'm feeling on myself internally
and I'm still learning that, I'm stillwanting to understand it more, why it's
coming up because I've always surroundedmyself with people that have been normal
in a way, that haven't had disabilities.
So now it's like, I've got this gift . Sonow I'm learning a deeper part of myself
(04:10):
through expressing that to people.
Stacy (04:12):
When you feel like you're not treating people as well as you
should, what does that look like?
Kyal (04:17):
Everyone's a mirror, right?
We're all a mirror of ourselves,a reflection of ourselves.
So when I'm not treating someoneright, that means I'm not treating
myself right in that instant moment.
I'm not respecting myself,not showing myself compassion,
not showing myself curiosity.
What does that look like?
Not very pleasant, yet Icatch myself more aware of it.
Like moments later, I'll, for example,I had this situation today where I was
(04:41):
feeling shit about myself, like, and thenI took it out on a customer, and then I
like sat on the, Oh crap, I'm gonna Andhe's like, call me back another time.
And then I sat with it for like15, 20 minutes and I was like,
oh, okay, , I end up sending hima message saying I apologize.
So I said, and so what that lookedlike, what that felt like was pure
disgrace on my end, on my part.
(05:03):
Because I didn't wanthim to feel like that.
That wasn't my intention at all.
I was frustrated with myself andI let it out on someone else,
which I shouldn't have done.
And I figured myself for it.
Show myself compassion andlove for it and apologize.
Stacy (05:20):
what's the worst thing someone said to you.
And the best thing
Kyal (05:24):
It's, it's funny because they're both parallel with each other.
So, they have a balancing act.
It's like someone saysto me, you're weird.
And I'm like, yeah, I know I am.
I'm proud of it.
And the worst thing they can say isyou're weird because they may see
something in you , that triggers them.
. Stacy (05:45):
How often do you feel separate from those around you?
Kyal (05:50):
more more than, more than I should, I feel like I've had so many negative
things said to me my whole life, that itcan take an effect when you get older, yet
it also can, can ripple that effect andmake you I'm a much better human being.
I've learnt to just deal with it, andtake it in, and now I've learnt to
(06:16):
know that that's on them, not on me.
I used to take it very personally,and sometimes I still do.
That's still something I'm learning aboutmyself, is I Take things personally, I
know it's not meant to be personally, yetI have so much compassion for people and
so much passion for life and business andeverything else that it really just annoys
(06:40):
me when people turn away opportunitiesthat can help them be better.
Take things personally, I know it's not
Stacy (06:45):
And what's your perception of diversity campaigns that
you might have seen over the
years?
I feel like we talk a lot aboutinclusion, but what does that look
like from where you're sitting?
Yeah.
Kyal (06:58):
We all come together, and don't call it diversity, just call
it, don't have to name anything.
Us coming together as humanbeings and a collaborative thing.
And that's the hardest thing, likesometimes I feel like I've always been
alone, like I'm the oldest of fivekids, but I've done things by myself.
(07:20):
I've had the right network aroundme, yet I've always felt alone.
I've never felt like loved how I want tobe loved, how I should have been loved.
And that's not on my family,not on my parents or anything.
That's because that's all they knew.
They didn't, they didn't know any better.
And I'm grateful when I'llhave so much love for them and
they don't know what they knew.
So it's, it's created a love formyself that allows me to not react
(07:45):
in those moments when there's labelsput around and any campaign for
that instant, it should be just.
We're all, we're all connected whether,whether we want to believe it or not.
We all have somethingto give to the world.
It's just everyone's on theirown journey and it's a matter
of finding that for yourself.
Stacy (08:04):
So when you're out in public, what things do you experience that the rest of
us could change or could be doing better?
Kyal (08:15):
How you react, how you react to situations, how you react to
the smallest things, and alsowhat you appreciate in life.
There's so many people.
In the world that complain aboutthe smallest things and I, I get it.
I mean, I've been there before.
I still catch myself.
Sometimes we all do.
(08:36):
I'm generalizing that most people do.
But the two biggest things are howyou react to what someone says, what
someone does and also just complainingabout the smallest things when there's
so much more going on in the worldthan complaining about what, where,
where, complaining about what, what towatch on TV or, or , this person cut
(09:00):
me off in traffic lights or where'sthe, where's the food in the cupboard.
Like it's just, there's so much elsegoing on around the world that you
can, that you can complain about.
Stacy (09:12):
Where do you think that comes from when you see people acting like that?
Kyal (09:16):
Comes from their, belief, comes from the people they surround themselves
with, comes from their conditioning,comes from the media, the news, because
the media, the news, is all fearmongering at the day, like they put
us in this fear state, and that's howthey keep us trapped in society norms,
in the conditioning of who we are, andpeople are always about negative news.
(09:37):
You don't, you don't hear aboutthe positive news, , it's a whole
compound effect of different thingsthat that plays out and in most
people, they're not aware until theybecome aware that they're doing it and
people don't take the responsibilityto own up to what they're doing or
to actually know that whatthey're complaining about is the
(10:00):
internal representation of howthey're feeling about themselves.
I'm always striving to bea better person than I was.
. I have the awareness andthe respect on myself to, to
stay present in where I'm at.
And that's something I'm learning todo and be present in where I'm at.
So the strive is always going to belike, I desire for more in my life.
(10:20):
, I have high standards of myself.
So I expect more for myself.
Stacy (10:26):
And how do you structure your wheat?
Kyal (10:28):
I plan my weeks on a calendar.
Um, my work is very good because it'slike, it's, it's allowed me to become
disciplined and I've done challenges.
Three different posts,three different books.
And that's allowed me to becomedisciplined, my routine or
rituals, I like to call it.
And it's just prioritizingthat over anything else.
And that's going to, that's goingto allow me to fill my cup up first
(10:51):
before I fill anyone else's cup.
Stacy (10:53):
So can you tell me a couple of things that fill your cup
, Kyal (10:57):
I love to train in the morning, uh, whether it's half an hour of
exercise movement in the body, somethingI never used to do many years ago.
Um, I go down to the beach, I do mybreast work, my meditation, read a book,
uh, whether it's over nighttime, justchill over nighttime, uh, Just enjoy
(11:18):
the simple things, being in nature, um,connecting with people, when I choose
to connect with them I like to be myown little ball of energy, like to be
with myself a lot, um, and when I feelcalled to connect with people I do.
And I like to experience little simplethings in life by having a morning coffee
(11:41):
of a morning and watching this, havingthe sun on my face of a morning and just
getting the sun and the water on me.
Stacy (11:49):
Can you tell me a little bit more about your disability?
Kyal (11:53):
So it's called Sharko Murraytooth.
So that's spelt C H A R CO T, hyphen Murray, M A R I
E, hyphen tooth, T O O T H.
It's a degenerative nervedisease that affects 2.
6 million people globally.
Um, now, this diseasehas three specific types
(12:17):
to which my diagnosis is not diagnosed.
Um,
symptoms of this disease areweakness of the muscles and nerves.
Some people call it muscular dystrophy.
It's a mixture of different disorders.
It's named after The three founders of it.
Um, there's no known cureexcept for like exercising and
stretching is very important.
(12:37):
Um, symptoms of it would be tremors inthe body, weakness of muscles and nerves,
um, lost sensations in, in, in muscles,like feelings of the feet and stuff.
I believe that I can overcome thisthrough doing inner work, through
doing the quantum physics side of work.
And I have, I've, I've achievedintangible results in my life that's
(12:58):
allowed me to know that, What I'mdoing is overcoming, is healing it.
So I believe that through my ownhealing, I can overcome what I've got.
And it's a degenerative nervousness.
So it's passed down from generations.
We're all made up of a nervous system.
That's what we are.
We are human beings.
We're made of a nervous system.
So I truly believe that we can overcomeany obstacle we have in our life.
(13:21):
So this disease I've seen people, I'vemet people along my own journey that
haven't found out till later on in life.
So I was fortunate enough.
I didn't start walking until I was two.
And that's when my mom took meto the doctor's and I was seeing
neurologists, nurses, all the wayup until I was twenty It's a 26, 27.
(13:43):
That's when I decided to do my ownthing because they were telling me
the same things that I was alreadyexperiencing without any, without
any proven results from that.
And since doing that, I'm now getting onething with the condition is we walk funny.
We have a limp when we walk.
I'm walking much better.
I'm getting brain coherencefrom my brain, from my head to
(14:04):
my feet to learn how to walk.
I can run like I can.
I can do certain things thatpeople with the disease can't do.
, I had orthotics growing up as a child.
So I had splints in my ankles tohelp me walk because I was, I get so,
I used to get so tired so quickly.
Um, and yeah, it's a, it's justa disease that hasn't got, it's
(14:27):
still getting research done on it.
Um, and I believe I'm a one ofa kind human being purely based
off, based off the fact theycan't determine what type I have.
Stacy (14:37):
So with people that have your condition, does it look
like a really exaggerated limp?
Is that
Kyal (14:44):
It's like a limp, but like people with it have like, for example, um,
the, the, it gets, it gets progressive,progressively gets older when I get worse.
So if I don't, let's, for example, ifI don't exercise, let's say for three
or four days, My body will stiffen uplike my body will like it'd be in more
pain than it was if I didn't train.
(15:06):
Um, and for people it has like,it is like no muscles and no
nerves in their legs and feet.
It's more, it's morereflective from the waist down.
My father's got the condition as well.
And I believe I take after someof his traits of just working and
he doesn't really, he doesn't.
He doesn't act like he's got a disability,he just does his thing, just works.
Um, and there's like, lots ofmuscles in the hands and feet.
(15:31):
Um, I'm very grateful that mysymptoms aren't to that extent.
Because I've got it from an earlyage, and I've started helping from an
early age, where some people, They,they don't get until they, later on
in life and they don't know they haveit until they get diagnosed with it.
Stacy (15:49):
How do you feel that your dad compares with the general population?
If I can ask it in that way,
Kyal (15:56):
He's just a normal p, he's just a normal person that's very outright, uh,
very obnoxious sometimes and, and, uh,very out there and doesn't care what any
people, what anyone thinks about him.
Stacy (16:06):
See, it would be great if we could give people some practical tips
what they can do in the moment, becausewe would all like to be more educated.
That usually comes after we stuff up.
And I'd like to ask you if somebody isstartled by recognizing a disability
(16:30):
that they didn't see before.
And they don't react in the best way.
Is there something that theycould say to that person?
Because I could imagine that forsomeone with a disability, that's,
that's not a great experience.
Could they apologize in a waythat would be positive or is it
(16:53):
best just to remove themselves?
Kyal (16:55):
it's up to that person and what their intention is, um, in that moment
and how they're feeling about themselves,but I always say, like, is it okay, ask
them the question, is it okay if I askyou something, because I find that's
what, that's what, um, helps me, islike, if, if someone wants to hear you,
they'll hear you, if they want to feelyou, they'll feel you, if they want to
(17:17):
speak to you, they'll speak to you, and ifsomeone says no, honor their boundaries,
honor, honor what they're saying to you,because They may not want to hear it,
.Stacy: So that's not a sorry mate situation,
, Kyal (17:30):
it's funny because , we play this draw card as, us as humans, it's
called the um, the victim triangle.
It's called the uh, drama triangle,
, So we all play out as human beings, like we're either going to be the
rescuer, so we want to save everyone.
We're going to be the, theperpetrator, where we, where we
blame everyone for our problems.
(17:52):
And then we play the victimcard, where we, um, why me?
Like why this, why this happening to me?
So, and we all play that in thecycles, whether you've, whether
you're aware of it or not,
. And the thing is, when you're dealingwith someone with disability, dealing
with someone in general, and you'rewanting to approach them because you're
(18:14):
curious about who they are or what theylook like or, or, or how they say things.
So don't feel sorry for thembecause they were born with
whatever they were born with.
Doesn't mean you have to feelsorry for them, because the moment
you feel sorry for them, thatmeans you're sorry for yourself.
Stacy (18:31):
But this is interesting too because perhaps the person that
said sorry mate was apologising for
Kyal (18:35):
and that's, and that's, that's in reality because we're a reflection
of each other, so you could be sayingsorry because you may feel something
within yourself that needs to be healedin that moment and people, people
go around saying sorry all the time.
It's like, well, what are you sorry for?
Are you sorry for your life, that theway it is, or are you sorry because
you actually truly deeply mean it?
Or are you just saying sorrybecause you're saying sorry?
Stacy (18:58):
So,
if you can respond in a waythat is just about yourself,
Kyal (19:04):
I always like to say to people, express, communicate, express your truth.
, don't shut up, because youdon't want to say something.
, if it feels on your heartto say something, say it.
Like, the worst thing they cansay, they're just gonna, they're
gonna react to it and they're notgonna know how to react to it.
But don't think that that's not toexpress that because my personal
experience is I've always beenshut down for whatever I say.
(19:24):
But I know that what I say now isjust a representation of that person,
that they, it's a trigger for themto heal a wound in themselves.
Stacy (19:32):
It's an interesting space because people, people need
to learn what to do, but often
when you're learning, you'regoing to make mistakes.
Kyal (19:40):
Exactly.
. We're always going to fail.
Like you're going to, they're going tobe more failures and success in life.
And that's something I've learned,learned myself the hard way and I'm
going through right now in my life.
So it's just knowing that you'vegot to learn, you've got to
learn this stuff for yourself.
And then once you get a lot ofit for yourself, you can teach
others and educate others on it.
Stacy (19:59):
do you think people have gotten a bit precious in this space
there's a bit too much expectations.
So if we talk about the fact thatwe're all going to suffer up, but we
don't feel like it's okay and if wedon't stuff up, how on earth are we
gonna get better in terms of relatingto people who are not like, ourselves?
, Kyal (20:22):
at the end of the day, like, we're going to make mistakes.
Everything that we do in our life isalways happening in divine timing.
You're on your journey where youare because that's where you are.
You're not going to get to a point inlife where everything becomes better
unless you go through those lessons.
They're not mistakes, they're lessons.
They're not losses, they're learnings.
(20:45):
They're not, they're not wins,they're just, it's part of life.
Stacy (20:50):
But I guess on the flip side, each person that we see with
a disability shouldn't necessarilyhave the responsibility to
be our teacher.
Kyal (21:02):
Exactly, and it's, and that's, that's, that's the lesson itself, right?
It's like, each person with a disabilitydoesn't have to be that person, but
when, when you see that in that person,then sometimes that's what happens.
And that's, and you've gotta, you've gottaexperience it, like, there, Everyone's
(21:25):
going through their own challenges.
Everyone going through theirown things, they're going
through, we all go through it.
People think they're alone, when inreality everyone goes through it.
Stacy (21:34):
Is there anything that we haven't talked about that you think we should
have?
Kyal (21:38):
No, I think this is a beautiful, beautiful, I I, , like I could talk about
this for days and I love it because it'slike opens up a can of worms and, and
, there's so much in this conversation.
We could be here for hours.
and especially with someonelike yourself that, , is all for
learning about different things.
So it's beautiful.
(21:59):
I think if people have questions, andthey want to, um, understand these
concepts, these values, we've, what we'vegone through on, on this podcast episode,
then feel free to reach out to me likethat's, I'm all for that educating people.
I mean, that's where my teaching thingcomes into place and I love teaching it.
Um, and.
(22:19):
And at the same time, you've got toexperience that stuff for yourself though.
You've got to, you've got to gothrough those moments to understand
the lessons in those moments.
And unless you've done that, you're notgoing to get to where you want to go.
And where you already arecould be where you need to be
Stacy (22:37):
Kyle's story shows how important it is to connect authentically with
people, not just those with disabilities.
And to do that, we need to look behind thelabel and see each other as humans first.
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