Bold Faith, Creative Evangelism: Steiger’s Luke Greenwood on Reaching the Next Generation in Today’s Global Youth Culture

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.9999999999There's a crisis of identity and of purpose. 2 00:00:02,708.5684832969 --> 00:00:03,728.5684832969 They don't understand it. 3 00:00:03,728.5684832969 --> 00:00:05,138.568483297 They feel like it's not for them. 4 00:00:05,138.568483297 --> 00:00:07,118.568483297 They say, I'm not religious, it's not for me. 5 00:00:07,309.9052808025 --> 00:00:18,259.905280802 I could tell just by the way people looked, I mean, there was a wild bunch of, young people, young adults who, I mean, you know, spikes and chains and piercings and hair in all directions. 6 00:00:18,259.905280802 --> 00:00:22,353.346719524 And, later I found out that this band, no longer music had been touring. 7 00:00:22,476.398976429 --> 00:00:28,326.398976429 in goth clubs, electronic music clubs, rock festivals, and sharing the gospel. 8 00:00:28,326.398976429 --> 00:00:32,903.724632701 And these people were at this place 'cause they wanted to know more about who God is. 9 00:00:32,997.899942797 --> 00:00:37,827.899942797 So it's being light, but to then be bold and clear about the gospel message. 10 00:00:40,469.277433773 --> 00:00:47,459.277433773 Welcome to the Lausanne Movement Podcast, for those who have a passion to accelerate global mission together. 11 00:00:47,717.866660721 --> 00:00:57,647.866660721 My name is Jason Watson, and today on the podcast we joined by Luke Greenwood, European Director for Steiger International and author of Global Youth Culture. 12 00:00:57,876.868291271 --> 00:01:06,93.909795412 In this episode, we're talking about reaching the next generation through bold faith and creative evangelism from clubs and festivals to city streets. 13 00:01:06,303.909795412 --> 00:01:13,563.909795412 Luke shares powerful stories and practical insights for engaging secular youth who feel far from the church. 14 00:01:13,743.909795412 --> 00:01:21,796.999380849 And so if this topic interests you, I wanna invite you to grab your headphones and let's dive into today's interview with Luke Greenwood. 15 00:01:25,191.607413085 --> 00:01:27,531.607413085 Well, Luke Greenwood, welcome to the podcast. 16 00:01:27,561.607413085 --> 00:01:30,21.607413085 It's really fantastic to have you with us. 17 00:01:30,26.607413085 --> 00:01:40,191.60741308 I, I was telling you of air that I've wanted to, to interview for you for a while, and so I'm glad that I could finally get around to connecting with you and, and making this happen. 18 00:01:40,461.60741308 --> 00:01:41,391.60741308 So yeah, welcome. 19 00:01:41,740.60741308 --> 00:01:42,640.60741308 Thank you, Jason. 20 00:01:42,640.60741308 --> 00:01:44,440.60741308 It's so cool, so cool to join you. 21 00:01:44,660.60741308 --> 00:01:46,130.60741308 Great job with the podcast. 22 00:01:46,130.60741308 --> 00:01:47,120.60741308 I love what you're doing. 23 00:01:47,120.60741308 --> 00:01:51,140.60741308 It's, uh, really made the voice of Lausanne even more accessible to many. 24 00:01:51,140.60741308 --> 00:01:55,160.60741308 And, uh, you guys, you know, dive into deep subjects and it's so cool. 25 00:01:55,190.60741308 --> 00:01:55,580.60741308 So cool. 26 00:01:55,580.60741308 --> 00:01:59,240.60741308 So it's a privilege for me to join the podcast and to connect with you guys. 27 00:01:59,941.60741308 --> 00:02:03,271.60741308 I mean, talking about deep subjects, that's what we, we are gonna be doing today. 28 00:02:03,271.60741308 --> 00:02:10,201.60741308 We are going to be talking about all things youth culture and reaching the next generation with the gospel. 29 00:02:10,531.60741308 --> 00:02:14,491.60741308 And uh, that's something that you are doing a great job in through Steiger. 30 00:02:14,581.60741308 --> 00:02:16,96.60741308 And so I just wanna, I always like. 31 00:02:16,641.60741308 --> 00:02:21,411.60741308 Kicking off these interviews with just sharing the backstory to, to those we are interviewing. 32 00:02:21,411.60741308 --> 00:02:23,121.60741308 And so let's start with your story. 33 00:02:23,431.60741308 --> 00:02:34,121.60741308 Can you share just a bit about your personal journey and what led into your passion for evangelism? For many people, there's a moment that kind of just clicks in their hearts and minds with the Lord. 34 00:02:34,171.60741308 --> 00:02:35,911.60741308 That kind of sets them on a trajectory. 35 00:02:36,31.60741308 --> 00:02:37,921.60741308 And so I'd love to, to begin there. 36 00:02:38,160.60741308 --> 00:02:39,330.60741308 Yeah, definitely. 37 00:02:39,390.60741308 --> 00:02:41,970.60741308 Uh, well, I'm the son of missionaries. 38 00:02:42,0.60741308 --> 00:02:45,540.60741308 Uh, my parents are missionaries in Brazil, and so I grew up there. 39 00:02:45,600.60741308 --> 00:02:48,30.60741308 I was born in the UK and I grew up in Brazil. 40 00:02:48,390.60741308 --> 00:02:54,850.60741308 And, um, when I was in university in the south of Brazil I, you know, I already had a, a heart. 41 00:02:54,875.60741308 --> 00:03:06,764.39685044 For sharing the gospel in, in my high school, I had started a Bible study, which the director of the high school tried shutting down and I ended up starting a protest throughout the school to try to keep the Bible study going. 42 00:03:06,764.39685044 --> 00:03:09,614.39685044 And, uh, it worked and the Bible study got even more full. 43 00:03:09,614.39685044 --> 00:03:17,234.39685044 So I felt like God was answering my prayers and that I could take steps of faith to share the gospel in whatever environment I was in. 44 00:03:17,639.39685044 --> 00:03:30,585.52171945 But when I went to university, it really broke my heart that in this very secular art university I studied that so many of my friends and people in university had a big barrier towards the gospel and to God and to church in general. 45 00:03:30,945.52171945 --> 00:03:40,935.52171945 And I was part of a really cool church in the city, but no matter how cool the church was or whatever events we did, my friends were would say, oh, it's great you believe in that stuff, but I'm not religious. 46 00:03:41,25.52171945 --> 00:03:43,545.52171945 And I just felt like there was a cultural barrier. 47 00:03:43,835.79020972 --> 00:03:47,585.79020972 from, you know, me having grown up in the church and my friends and I realized. 48 00:03:47,930.79020972 --> 00:03:49,550.79020972 You know what, this is missionary work. 49 00:03:49,550.79020972 --> 00:04:03,965.79020972 This is what my parents came to Brazil to do, and I started praying a prayer that I, I wanted to see some kind of missionary movement that would reach, uh, my peers would reach, you know, university students and young adults who thought church was not for them. 50 00:04:04,636.45417076 --> 00:04:08,56.45417076 and so I started praying, God, I want to be a missionary to this generation. 51 00:04:08,56.45417076 --> 00:04:10,246.45417076 I want to see something start. 52 00:04:10,846.45417076 --> 00:04:18,556.45417076 And the same week I started praying that somebody told me about a band called No Longer Music and said, these guys are touring Brazil right now. 53 00:04:18,736.45417076 --> 00:04:22,666.45417076 They're playing in festivals and clubs everywhere and sharing Jesus boldly. 54 00:04:22,962.34484781 --> 00:04:24,192.34484781 maybe you should go check 'em out. 55 00:04:24,552.34484781 --> 00:04:28,2.34484781 And I thought it, it sounded to me like that that's what I've been praying for. 56 00:04:28,2.34484781 --> 00:04:29,292.34484781 That's an answer to my prayers. 57 00:04:29,712.34484781 --> 00:04:32,952.34484781 And I jumped on the first bus and went to find where these guys were. 58 00:04:33,567.34484781 --> 00:04:37,284.9815015 The address they'd given me was for, a place kind of in the middle of nowhere. 59 00:04:37,284.9815015 --> 00:04:43,824.9815015 And I, I ended up walking into what looked like a church retreat center, but there were no church people there. 60 00:04:44,124.9815015 --> 00:04:55,624.9815015 You know, I could tell just by the way people looked, I mean, there was a wild bunch of young people, young adults who, I mean, you know, spikes and chains and piercings and hair in all directions. 61 00:04:55,624.9815015 --> 00:05:00,474.9815015 And it later I found out that this band, no longer music had been touring. 62 00:05:00,849.9815015 --> 00:05:08,679.9815015 This was the early two thousands, um, in goth clubs, electronic music clubs, rock festivals, and sharing the gospel. 63 00:05:08,679.9815015 --> 00:05:14,109.9815015 And these people were at this place 'cause they wanted to know more about who God is. 64 00:05:14,109.9815015 --> 00:05:15,609.9815015 So I saw, I. 65 00:05:16,79.9815015 --> 00:05:25,559.9815015 The band play and the founder of this band, David Pearce, he preached from the stage and said, if you want peace with God, you want to know Jesus, come forward and I'll pray for you. 66 00:05:25,559.9815015 --> 00:05:31,529.9815015 And I saw crazy looking young people coming forward, kneeling with tears in their eyes saying, I want to know Jesus. 67 00:05:32,237.24955942 --> 00:05:37,31.94278504 And when I saw that, I felt like, yes, this is what I'm called to do. 68 00:05:37,361.94278504 --> 00:05:38,981.94278504 This is what I've been praying for. 69 00:05:39,471.94278504 --> 00:05:50,541.94278504 And, uh, I was 17 at the time, but I walked up to David and I said, David, I, God's called me to start a mission organization to do the kind of thing you are doing, you know? And he goes, oh, that's great. 70 00:05:50,541.94278504 --> 00:05:51,561.94278504 That's what we are doing too. 71 00:05:51,561.94278504 --> 00:05:52,731.94278504 Maybe you should join us. 72 00:05:52,731.94278504 --> 00:05:56,301.94278504 And, and I, I thought for a second and was like, yeah, maybe I should join you. 73 00:05:56,301.94278504 --> 00:05:57,171.94278504 And, and, uh. 74 00:05:57,621.94278504 --> 00:06:02,496.94278504 I, I said, what do I do? And he said, come to our, our event, our conference next month. 75 00:06:02,916.94278504 --> 00:06:05,46.94278504 And that en ended up being in Poland. 76 00:06:05,46.94278504 --> 00:06:09,786.94278504 So I, I got home called my mother and said, mom, I have to go to Poland to join a mission. 77 00:06:10,176.94278504 --> 00:06:12,516.94278504 And that was, that was how I joined. 78 00:06:12,757.4845827 --> 00:06:22,387.4845827 so that was, I mean, I, it really felt like I was, that God was answering prayers and I, I was just in the right place at the right time that God had led that and I felt. 79 00:06:22,712.4845827 --> 00:06:28,172.4845827 A strong sense of God's calling at that, that beginning, and that was around 23 years ago now. 80 00:06:28,462.4845827 --> 00:06:39,192.4845827 And, uh, me and others of my age at that time, we kind of, together with David, built this mission that has today become a global mission in over 200 cities around the world. 81 00:06:39,552.4845827 --> 00:06:52,692.4845827 And so we've just been seeing God do something amazing with like a kind of a wildfire spreading and team starting in cities that are bold to share the gospel outside the church context and reach those that aren't coming into the church. 82 00:06:53,100.63968227 --> 00:07:07,230.63968227 thank you for just sharing a bit of your backstory and, you know, it's just, it is beautiful to hear some of these stories and how you can see the hand of God just orchestrating these kind of moments and experiences that, that take his kingdom forward. 83 00:07:07,514.53990903 --> 00:07:13,362.43068227 I have two, two kind of questions that are just connected to your story that, and the one has to do reflecting backwards. 84 00:07:13,392.43068227 --> 00:07:14,73.05286905 you mentioned. 85 00:07:14,318.05286905 --> 00:07:16,598.05286905 That you can't, you grew up in a missionary home. 86 00:07:17,18.05286905 --> 00:07:35,782.11718033 And one of the questions I always love asking missionary kids or pastor kids on the podcast is what did your parents do? Right? And, and what advice would you give to the missionary leaders listening to this who have kids in their home? Because there's, there's often this stigma that missionary kids or pastors kids, they, they go wild and they, they go off track. 87 00:07:35,782.11718033 --> 00:07:42,996.17677315 And, and I love these kind of stories because I'm encountering more and more missionaries Standing on the shoulders of their parents. 88 00:07:43,86.17677315 --> 00:07:57,160.17677315 And so could you just share a little bit about that? What do you think enabled you as a 17-year-old to say, I wanna do the same thing Yeah, that's, that's, that is a really important thing 'cause you know, you see both sides of it. 89 00:07:57,160.17677315 --> 00:08:10,90.17677315 Don't you see people that, like you said, stand on the shoulder of their parents, but we also, unfortunately do know so many stories of pastors or missionary kids that really struggle and, and don't find that kind of authentic faith for themselves where they really understand. 90 00:08:10,540.17677315 --> 00:08:14,350.17677315 For me, I'd say two things my parents did that was really important for me. 91 00:08:14,350.17677315 --> 00:08:15,100.17677315 One was. 92 00:08:15,580.17677315 --> 00:08:17,980.17677315 I always say they were my first disciples. 93 00:08:18,10.17677315 --> 00:08:25,360.17677315 They, they spent time personally teaching and engaging with me in, in, in the faith. 94 00:08:25,390.17677315 --> 00:08:33,520.17677315 So I remember, uh, right from young, my mom spending time each evening praying with me, reading the Bible with me explaining it. 95 00:08:33,917.06102218 --> 00:08:42,797.06102218 I remember deep like having deep, deeper conversations with my dad where I could ask him questions and he would, my, my dad's, one of my dad's strength is just, just wisdom. 96 00:08:42,797.06102218 --> 00:08:46,637.06102218 Like if I ask him a question, he'd often talk for a long time in all detail. 97 00:08:47,27.06102218 --> 00:08:52,67.06102218 And so those conversations were important, but the second thing was the, they gave me freedom. 98 00:08:52,382.3889146 --> 00:08:57,902.3889146 they didn't try to make me be the way maybe they had been or that they thought it needed to be. 99 00:08:58,232.3889146 --> 00:08:59,612.3889146 They spoke. 100 00:09:00,392.3889146 --> 00:09:05,612.3889146 Into my life from a young age saying, you, we want you to go and, and do what God's calling you to do. 101 00:09:06,362.3889146 --> 00:09:09,362.3889146 And so you're like an arrow shot out like it says in the Psalm. 102 00:09:09,642.3889146 --> 00:09:10,452.3889146 and so. 103 00:09:10,992.3889146 --> 00:09:25,2.3889146 We, you know, I mean, and that for, for example, when I was a teenager, I started getting into metal music and the church we were part of in Brazil, probably most leaders in that church wouldn't have approved of that style of music and that whole scene. 104 00:09:25,332.3889146 --> 00:09:27,462.3889146 Whereas my parents were like, oh yeah, that's cool. 105 00:09:27,462.3889146 --> 00:09:27,912.3889146 Go for it. 106 00:09:27,912.3889146 --> 00:09:28,992.3889146 Let's listen to it together. 107 00:09:28,992.3889146 --> 00:09:31,632.3889146 And, you know, my dad's like, yeah, I was a deep purple fan. 108 00:09:31,632.3889146 --> 00:09:34,302.3889146 And my mom was like, yeah, I was a yes and a Pink Floyd fan. 109 00:09:34,302.3889146 --> 00:09:36,582.3889146 Let's, let's, uh, find out what's going on nowadays. 110 00:09:36,582.3889146 --> 00:09:39,842.3889146 You know? And so they, they, they gave me this freedom to explore. 111 00:09:40,812.3889146 --> 00:09:45,22.3889146 Rather than that become a like a, oh, that's, you know, it's wrong. 112 00:09:45,22.3889146 --> 00:09:46,432.3889146 You're getting influenced by the world. 113 00:09:46,432.3889146 --> 00:09:52,342.3889146 It was more like I'm understanding more how the world feels and thinks and how my faith relates to it. 114 00:09:52,492.3889146 --> 00:09:56,62.3889146 So I think from that age, my faith started becoming more and more, I. 115 00:09:56,617.3889146 --> 00:10:01,117.3889146 To me, getting to know the reality of the world around me was an exciting adventure. 116 00:10:01,117.3889146 --> 00:10:03,967.3889146 To know how the gospel of Jesus could change it. 117 00:10:04,170.72224794 --> 00:10:06,480.72224794 how what I knew about Jesus could impact it. 118 00:10:06,690.72224794 --> 00:10:12,840.72224794 So it wasn't an us and them outside the church, outside it was, I, I'm, I'm gonna be there. 119 00:10:12,840.72224794 --> 00:10:14,175.72224794 I'm, I'm a missionary there. 120 00:10:14,175.72224794 --> 00:10:15,900.72224794 I can go and have influence there. 121 00:10:16,140.72224794 --> 00:10:18,390.72224794 That idea, I think, was set in early on. 122 00:10:18,530.72224794 --> 00:10:26,630.72224794 From my parents' influence, and that allowed me to find my own way and my own kind of scene to reach, uh, and to connect with. 123 00:10:26,720.72224794 --> 00:10:28,100.72224794 And so I really appreciated. 124 00:10:28,190.72224794 --> 00:10:29,90.72224794 Appreciated that. 125 00:10:29,348.3889146 --> 00:10:29,618.3889146 Yeah. 126 00:10:29,618.3889146 --> 00:10:36,999.85773431 You know, as you, you were sharing your testimony and you mentioned calling your mom as a 17-year-old and saying, I wanna go to Poland to join a mission. 127 00:10:37,29.85773431 --> 00:10:39,840.46168107 I was just thinking what was her reaction? Right. 128 00:10:40,110.46168107 --> 00:10:45,391.39630269 And so maybe you could tell me like, what was going through her heart and mind when you said that? Uh, I'd be really curious. 129 00:10:45,740.39630269 --> 00:10:48,740.39630269 she said, she said, don't forget to call me when you get there. 130 00:10:48,740.39630269 --> 00:10:57,230.39630269 That was, that was her main reaction, you know? She was like, well, you know, of course she asked, why, so why, why do you need to go to Pond? I was like, well, I, I, I want to join a mission. 131 00:10:57,875.39630269 --> 00:11:01,925.39630269 You know, I've just met these guys and they said I should go to this meeting, so I'm, I'd like to go. 132 00:11:01,925.39630269 --> 00:11:05,255.39630269 And she was like, okay, well don't forget to call me when you get there. 133 00:11:05,255.39630269 --> 00:11:13,328.72963602 And, that was literally, I mean, it was a month later I sold, I had to sell, like, to sell my computer, I think it was, and, and a bunch of stuff to buy a plane ticket. 134 00:11:13,765.39630269 --> 00:11:21,415.51191297 and yeah, so, so I definitely felt that freedom from them of encouragement of, there wasn't a fear or, or an overprotectiveness. 135 00:11:21,665.51191297 --> 00:11:27,405.51191297 And I think that was important for me to feel like I could take risks and steps of faith. 136 00:11:27,885.51191297 --> 00:11:34,305.51191297 And I, to be honest, maybe that's one of the biggest things I feel is a struggle for young people, young adults growing up in the church. 137 00:11:34,305.51191297 --> 00:11:42,225.51191297 If they're, if we take away the, the, the space for them to take risks and to take steps of faith. 138 00:11:43,50.51191297 --> 00:12:00,420.51191297 Their faith becomes theoretical, right? And so, and so when, when my faith becomes theoretical where I talk about a great God and a powerful God, but I don't actually ever see it for real in my life because I'm never in a situation where I actually need to depend on God in a big way, then I, I miss out. 139 00:12:00,990.51191297 --> 00:12:03,660.51191297 And so I think that that's, yeah, that's important. 140 00:12:04,28.10616729 --> 00:12:18,186.46174793 So, so the other thing that, came to me as you were sharing your testimony was, you know, there, there's this, this horrible stat that comes out of, I believe it's the US that the average tenure of like a youth pastor or a next gen worker is about 18 months. 141 00:12:18,306.46174793 --> 00:12:18,696.46174793 Right. 142 00:12:19,86.46174793 --> 00:12:20,706.46174793 And now you've been at this. 143 00:12:21,81.46174793 --> 00:12:25,11.46174793 Ministering to younger people for well over two decades. 144 00:12:25,11.46174793 --> 00:12:25,371.46174793 Right. 145 00:12:25,700.9176818 --> 00:12:40,106.89907951 what is it that has enabled you to, to see this as a true ministry and not just a stepping stone into something else? I mean for me it's, it's calling the biblical concept of calling for me is, is so crucial. 146 00:12:40,106.89907951 --> 00:12:43,543.5161922 It's, it's a really important guide to my life in general. 147 00:12:43,543.5161922 --> 00:12:45,913.5161922 Like, I, I love reading the stories of. 148 00:12:46,258.5161922 --> 00:13:03,418.5161922 God calling different prophets in the Old Testament or his encounter with Paul or Jesus calling the disciples is just an element to me of God's charact and God's way of working, where he'll, he'll actually come after one of us, you know, or come after each of us and and say, come follow me. 149 00:13:03,418.5161922 --> 00:13:04,708.5161922 Here's something I have for you to do. 150 00:13:04,738.5161922 --> 00:13:06,118.5161922 And that invitation into his. 151 00:13:06,673.5161922 --> 00:13:14,173.5161922 Uh, mission is, is something that's always, yeah, really struck with me and, and that, that I've, I've prayed into. 152 00:13:14,173.5161922 --> 00:13:27,203.5161922 So my understanding of God's calling is, is when you know, I told that story of when I, I went to find the band and see how God was using them, and I felt like I was in the right place at the right time. 153 00:13:27,590.87280903 --> 00:13:32,120.87280903 that is that sense of God's calling for me, it's when I see an answer to prayer. 154 00:13:32,323.01407214 --> 00:13:33,853.01407214 it's an overwhelming thing. 155 00:13:33,883.01407214 --> 00:13:35,653.01407214 It's something that consumes us. 156 00:13:35,653.01407214 --> 00:13:37,993.01407214 It's beyond our own ideas and our own plans. 157 00:13:37,993.01407214 --> 00:13:45,403.01407214 It's like you've asked God for something, you've put it at his feet and you start seeing something happen that is out of your, it's not you doing it, it's something God is doing. 158 00:13:45,853.01407214 --> 00:13:46,633.01407214 And I love that. 159 00:13:46,633.01407214 --> 00:13:52,483.01407214 And I feel like that is probably the most important thing to drive us in whatever we are doing, whatever kind of ministry. 160 00:13:52,483.01407214 --> 00:13:54,913.01407214 And, you know, there's a, there's a quote from. 161 00:13:55,371.99979181 --> 00:14:17,720.74647925 from that book, Oswald Chambers, um, my Utmost For His Highest, where he talks about the difference between, calling and, and kind of Christian ambition or Christian professionalism where, where we just kind of do the right thing and do what you're supposed to do and kind of, there's a ladder you climb or there's, you know, there's these different things that, that are part of the Christian ministry industry or whatever you want to call it. 162 00:14:17,994.07516332 --> 00:14:20,64.07516332 and the difference between that and. 163 00:14:20,899.07516332 --> 00:14:31,99.07516332 Being at the feet of Jesus saying, what do you want me to do? And stepping out, and I feel like it was God's calling on my life that kept me going for all these years and that I get excited about. 164 00:14:31,99.07516332 --> 00:14:36,635.8723812 In fact, it's one of my favorite themes to, to preach Arnold to talk about is God's calling on our lives. 165 00:14:36,702.1996519 --> 00:14:43,602.1996519 that is, crucial to, to be part of his mission, is to first hear from him and then step out in faith, because I believe he's called us. 166 00:14:43,602.1996519 --> 00:14:49,842.1996519 There's an anointing that comes with that, that is, is beyond any kind of developing a skill or whatever, you know. 167 00:14:50,64.86631857 --> 00:14:55,759.86631857 so let's dig in there a little bit more because I feel like there's, there's some value to be added here in the sense of calling. 168 00:14:55,899.86631857 --> 00:14:56,839.86631857 So let's just. 169 00:14:57,294.86631857 --> 00:14:59,394.86631857 They just say, and I'm sure this has happened to you. 170 00:14:59,454.86631857 --> 00:15:05,852.1613792 A young person comes to you just, just like you, you end up to the, leader of the band and said, I feel called to mission. 171 00:15:06,362.1613792 --> 00:15:13,25.49471253 What is your response to a young person who says, I think God is calling me, or I feel called to missions. 172 00:15:13,175.49471253 --> 00:15:22,284.49471253 What is like, what are, what are some things that you say to them? Well, first of all, I say yes, he is calling you because I believe God is calling all of us to join in somehow. 173 00:15:22,284.49471253 --> 00:15:28,134.49471253 So I definitely have that perspective of yes, all of us are called to be missionaries based on the Great Commission. 174 00:15:28,500.09399104 --> 00:15:31,80.09399104 and and so I encourage them, yes, you are called. 175 00:15:31,290.09399104 --> 00:15:37,600.09399104 The question now is not am I called? It's what, what am I called to do? What's the next step? And often that's. 176 00:15:37,790.09399104 --> 00:15:39,740.09399104 That really is all it is God. 177 00:15:39,740.09399104 --> 00:15:50,330.09399104 God often seems to give us the next step, right? So, I'll say, yeah, you, you know, you can look in into all different kinds of ministries and plans and ideas, and we can dream ahead and we can make plans ahead. 178 00:15:50,570.09399104 --> 00:15:57,800.09399104 But probably the most important question is, God, what do you want me to do now? What do you want me to do next? What's the next step? And, and I believe that. 179 00:15:58,220.09399104 --> 00:16:04,190.09399104 Usually that is a step of faith, uh, which it means it's a step outside of my comfort zone. 180 00:16:04,190.09399104 --> 00:16:06,800.09399104 It's doing something that I don't know at all. 181 00:16:07,40.09399104 --> 00:16:10,710.09399104 Uh, there's uncertainty around it but there's a trust in God, so. 182 00:16:11,640.09399104 --> 00:16:13,740.09399104 I'll often, you know, say, Hey, can I, let's pray. 183 00:16:13,740.09399104 --> 00:16:20,410.09399104 Can I pray for you? Let's, let's ask God, what is that next step? What is he putting on your heart? And when you get home, do it. 184 00:16:20,590.09399104 --> 00:16:21,280.09399104 Go for it. 185 00:16:21,580.09399104 --> 00:16:37,300.09399104 In our mission, all of our kind of teaching in our mission school and what we teach people that are coming and joining in and, and seeking God for their calling, is based around a few very simple values biblical principles, values, and we say our va, number one value is seek God with all your heart. 186 00:16:37,320.09399104 --> 00:16:41,340.093991 Hebrews 11, six, that God rewards those who seek him with a desperate heart. 187 00:16:41,340.093991 --> 00:16:43,350.2394199 That we would, start by crying out to God. 188 00:16:43,350.2394199 --> 00:16:50,280.2394199 God, what do you want to do in my life? What are you calling me to do? Or als also a prayer and a cry out for my city and for my generation. 189 00:16:50,280.2394199 --> 00:16:54,865.2394199 How can we reach the loss today? The next value we talk about is, is courage. 190 00:16:55,165.2394199 --> 00:16:58,435.2394199 That you would then have the courage to do what God has called you to do. 191 00:16:58,435.2394199 --> 00:17:04,645.2394199 So you ask him, what do you want me to do now? Next you step out in faith with courage to do what he's called you to do. 192 00:17:04,645.2394199 --> 00:17:11,195.2394199 And it's a courage based on his power on who he is and that he's called you and he's giving you his authority to step out. 193 00:17:11,765.2394199 --> 00:17:14,435.2394199 And then the other values are related to the kind of work we do. 194 00:17:14,435.2394199 --> 00:17:15,185.2394199 So we say. 195 00:17:15,719.7555249 --> 00:17:16,469.7555249 relevance. 196 00:17:16,679.7555249 --> 00:17:17,519.7555249 Go and listen. 197 00:17:17,609.7555249 --> 00:17:19,529.7555249 Go and find out what's happening around you. 198 00:17:19,559.7555249 --> 00:17:24,839.7555249 What is the scene outside the church? How are people feeling and thinking? So value of relevance. 199 00:17:25,49.7555249 --> 00:17:26,819.7555249 The fourth one is preach the cross. 200 00:17:27,89.7555249 --> 00:17:28,289.7555249 Uh, the message is clear. 201 00:17:28,289.7555249 --> 00:17:29,9.7555249 It's a message. 202 00:17:29,9.7555249 --> 00:17:32,819.7555249 Uh, it's a gospel message of Jesus', death and resurrection that will change the world. 203 00:17:33,299.7555249 --> 00:17:37,409.7555249 Then we talk about the importance of going into dark places and yet being liked. 204 00:17:37,619.7555249 --> 00:17:40,739.7555249 So our fifth value is holiness that we go. 205 00:17:40,799.7555249 --> 00:17:42,779.7555249 To be light in those places. 206 00:17:43,229.7555249 --> 00:17:45,809.7555249 And our sixth value is be a family. 207 00:17:45,839.7555249 --> 00:17:48,959.7555249 So go as a church, as a team, as a family. 208 00:17:49,469.7555249 --> 00:17:52,139.7555249 Evangelism is often seen as a lone wolf activity. 209 00:17:52,139.7555249 --> 00:17:54,449.7555249 Go out on your own, go on the street corner and preach. 210 00:17:54,719.7555249 --> 00:17:56,69.7555249 And people think, imagine that. 211 00:17:56,69.7555249 --> 00:17:59,339.7555249 And they go, oh, I'm, I'm not, I'm not really a good, good evangelist. 212 00:17:59,339.7555249 --> 00:18:00,839.7555249 I'm not in into evangelism. 213 00:18:01,199.7555249 --> 00:18:02,339.7555249 And they shy away from it. 214 00:18:02,339.7555249 --> 00:18:03,239.7555249 Well, we say no, the. 215 00:18:03,719.7555249 --> 00:18:06,809.7555249 The, the church does everything together. 216 00:18:06,869.7555249 --> 00:18:08,159.7555249 We worship together. 217 00:18:08,189.7555249 --> 00:18:10,709.7555249 We preach and learn from the word together. 218 00:18:10,959.7555249 --> 00:18:14,289.7555249 We pray together we should go and share the gospel together too. 219 00:18:14,649.7555249 --> 00:18:24,669.7555249 And so we say go out together as a team and we encourage people to start teams in their cities to do evangelist and discipleship work, reaching young people in their cities. 220 00:18:24,939.7555249 --> 00:18:27,249.7555249 So those are the values and those, I'm, I'm sharing those with you. 221 00:18:27,279.7555249 --> 00:18:27,789.7555249 'cause they relate. 222 00:18:27,794.7555249 --> 00:18:28,814.7555249 To that aspect of calling. 223 00:18:28,814.7555249 --> 00:18:32,534.7555249 What do we tell a young person when they say, I feel called by God? Well, we say, pray. 224 00:18:32,744.7555249 --> 00:18:33,914.7555249 Ask God what it is. 225 00:18:33,914.7555249 --> 00:18:37,544.7555249 Then step out, encourage, then listen to people around you. 226 00:18:37,784.7555249 --> 00:18:39,254.7555249 Know what the message is. 227 00:18:39,464.7555249 --> 00:18:44,84.7555249 Go in faith in holiness and go as a team and do what God is calling you to do. 228 00:18:44,450.7555249 --> 00:18:47,990.7555249 So I, I'm curious, uh, we, we rarely going off script Yeah. 229 00:18:47,990.7555249 --> 00:18:54,710.7555249 In terms of the questions that, that we, we prep for, but, but, and you're welcome to, The, the, yeah. 230 00:18:54,714.7555249 --> 00:18:56,394.7555249 conversations are off script often. 231 00:18:57,491.0468193 --> 00:19:10,704.5693876 but you know, there there is like this tension and you mention it, you know, going into dark places and the need to be holy, right? And, and you, you kind of in the mission world, you got like, these two groups of people who are like, we're going into the dark places. 232 00:19:11,79.5693876 --> 00:19:20,933.9283502 And you mentioned your example of all these people who, who went to this band to hear their music and then they gave their lives to Christ, didn't look anything like a church. 233 00:19:21,393.9283502 --> 00:19:40,894.6022083 how do you help and equip the, the young people coming into your space to keep their holiness and their light as they go into the darkest spaces? Is there any kind of teaching that you give to enable them to have that kind of paradigm? So they don't, they, they don't become corrupted by some of these spaces. 234 00:19:41,298.6022083 --> 00:19:42,18.6022083 Yeah, first. 235 00:19:42,48.6022083 --> 00:20:16,770.268875 First we found it really important to understand what that space around us is, and I, I feel like that's often one of the biggest challenges for the church, both in terms of knowing how to reach the next generation, how to reach young people and then how to, Related to this, your question, how, how, if we're stepping out into, into the world around us, how do we not get lost? How do we not get influenced more by it? So we start with explaining what's the reality around us and in, in our mission, Steiger, we talk about the global youth culture, and we say that the culture around us is become increasingly secularized and materialistic and has turned away from God. 236 00:20:17,348.8955162 --> 00:20:21,8.8955162 And that's led to so many deep questions and heartfelt needs. 237 00:20:21,348.8955162 --> 00:20:36,453.8955162 And, and so we really, in, like in our mission school, we really dig into what are the questions people are asking? What are their heartfelt needs? What are the issues out there? And the reason why that's important is because I should not be going out into any kind of crazy environment or dark place until I get God's broken heart for people. 238 00:20:36,843.8955162 --> 00:20:41,193.8955162 So it starts with really listening and seeing what is going on around me and let's. 239 00:20:41,283.8955162 --> 00:20:53,157.2288495 Realize the brokenness, the loneliness that is in this generation, the desperate hopelessness the crisis and, and epidemic of, of, uh, depression and suicide and loneliness around us. 240 00:20:53,505.182527 --> 00:20:56,85.182527 there's a crisis of identity and of purpose. 241 00:20:56,85.182527 --> 00:20:57,915.182527 People feel a lack of meaning. 242 00:20:57,915.182527 --> 00:21:00,255.182527 They, they feel like they don't ever belong anywhere. 243 00:21:00,255.182527 --> 00:21:02,625.182527 That's, those are so many of the marks of this generation. 244 00:21:03,138.740182 --> 00:21:08,658.740182 and so when I, when I realized that when I step out into those places, I'm gonna be stepping out with a very, I. 245 00:21:09,378.740182 --> 00:21:12,948.740182 Uh, strong missional sense, a missional perspective. 246 00:21:13,248.740182 --> 00:21:17,838.740182 Uh, maybe that was a bit easier for me growing up because my parents were missionaries, so I kind of had that mindset, right. 247 00:21:17,958.740182 --> 00:21:26,448.740182 But I, but I think that that's a mindset we need as a church and that young believers today need to face the world around them is a missional perspective. 248 00:21:26,508.740182 --> 00:21:27,828.740182 So when I go to. 249 00:21:28,608.740182 --> 00:21:42,318.740182 A festival or a club or onto the streets or into play or universities or places where people are, I need to go into those places with the mindset of this is the, this place, this culture around me. 250 00:21:42,918.740182 --> 00:21:43,638.740182 Is lost. 251 00:21:43,668.740182 --> 00:21:44,508.740182 They don't know God. 252 00:21:44,538.740182 --> 00:21:47,318.740182 They're, they're, they're broken and they need help. 253 00:21:47,318.740182 --> 00:21:48,248.740182 They need Jesus. 254 00:21:48,248.740182 --> 00:21:57,158.740182 And so I'll go there with that missional mindset and when we go, then we teach, go into dark places to be what Jesus taught us to be. 255 00:21:57,218.740182 --> 00:21:58,358.740182 Salt and light. 256 00:21:58,418.740182 --> 00:22:04,538.740182 And, and, and I love that teaching of Jesus on salt and light because I feel like it brings things together in a really interesting way. 257 00:22:04,868.740182 --> 00:22:09,488.740182 Salt being, you know, what gives taste or what preserves what is good. 258 00:22:10,393.740182 --> 00:22:12,793.740182 It's about being distinct, right? Being different. 259 00:22:12,793.740182 --> 00:22:16,183.740182 Jesus said if you lose your saltiness, then it's, you lose your value. 260 00:22:16,453.740182 --> 00:22:19,573.740182 It's about being distinct that in the world. 261 00:22:19,603.740182 --> 00:22:26,923.740182 And so Jesus is telling us to be different, to be distinct, but, but then he says, be light, and the light has to be held up high in the room or like a. 262 00:22:27,58.740182 --> 00:22:28,858.740182 City on a hill for everyone to see. 263 00:22:29,218.740182 --> 00:22:33,658.740182 And so it's about shining and, and being influential, being visible. 264 00:22:34,48.740182 --> 00:22:35,338.740182 And I love that combination. 265 00:22:35,338.740182 --> 00:22:39,718.740182 Jesus saying, Hey, be different and distinct, but be very visible, very present. 266 00:22:39,718.740182 --> 00:22:41,278.740182 Be up there on the, on the hill. 267 00:22:41,788.740182 --> 00:22:46,588.740182 And I, I feel like as a church today, we will tend to fall to one extreme or the other. 268 00:22:47,168.740182 --> 00:22:49,358.740182 Sometimes we are very salty. 269 00:22:49,388.740182 --> 00:22:50,978.740182 We're very distinct and different. 270 00:22:51,158.740182 --> 00:22:55,418.740182 We close ourselves in, we get really strong on who we are and what we preach and what we do. 271 00:22:55,688.740182 --> 00:22:59,918.740182 But we've become so salty that it's too salty for people to eat the food anymore. 272 00:23:00,98.740182 --> 00:23:01,118.740182 They don't understand it. 273 00:23:01,118.740182 --> 00:23:02,528.740182 They feel like it's not for them. 274 00:23:02,528.740182 --> 00:23:04,508.740182 They say, I'm not religious, it's not for me. 275 00:23:04,798.740182 --> 00:23:12,298.740182 The other extreme is we think, okay, we gotta be part of this world and in this world, and then we forget our values and our identity. 276 00:23:12,298.740182 --> 00:23:15,483.740182 In our message, and we just become the same as the world. 277 00:23:15,483.740182 --> 00:23:20,643.740182 So we're very liked, very shiny and influential, but we've lost our taste and our distinctiveness. 278 00:23:20,673.740182 --> 00:23:27,453.740182 We believe that we, based on Jesus' teaching, we need to be both things different and influential. 279 00:23:27,663.740182 --> 00:23:29,853.740182 We want to go into the secular scene. 280 00:23:29,973.740182 --> 00:23:31,983.740182 Be present in the darkest places. 281 00:23:31,983.740182 --> 00:23:48,63.740182 We want to encourage young adults and young people with a missional mindset to go and be in the festivals, in the university parties, in the clubs, on the streets, in the cafes, to be present, to be relationally present, building relationships and friendships in those places. 282 00:23:48,243.740182 --> 00:23:53,73.740182 So it's being light, but to then be bold and clear about the gospel message. 283 00:23:53,433.740182 --> 00:23:55,443.740182 And we've seen that happen all around the world. 284 00:23:55,443.740182 --> 00:23:55,953.740182 I mean, we have. 285 00:23:56,698.740182 --> 00:23:57,958.740182 Cultural events. 286 00:23:57,958.740182 --> 00:24:10,358.740182 We have street evangelism, bands and artists going into some of the darkest places, very in a very relevant way, connecting with the secular scene, but boldly preaching the message with clarity from the stage. 287 00:24:10,358.740182 --> 00:24:10,838.740182 Literally. 288 00:24:10,838.740182 --> 00:24:12,818.740182 I mean, I, you know, I have a band here in Poland. 289 00:24:12,818.740182 --> 00:24:15,758.740182 I play in clubs like Voodoo Club Warsaw. 290 00:24:16,48.740182 --> 00:24:22,558.740182 Where we've played four or five times already and every time we're in there, I'm preaching Jesus from the stage and praying and talking to people afterwards. 291 00:24:22,868.740182 --> 00:24:28,988.740182 We have, we, there's this lie sometimes in, in our minds as, as believers today, that in a very secular culture, I. 292 00:24:29,788.740182 --> 00:24:31,678.740182 Uh, you can't do both of those things. 293 00:24:31,858.740182 --> 00:24:35,578.740182 You can't be in the culture and preach the truth about Jesus. 294 00:24:35,668.740182 --> 00:24:45,88.740182 We feel like we either have to hold our ground and preach or go into that place and be very friendly and nice, but not say anything because we'll get kicked out. 295 00:24:45,338.740182 --> 00:24:46,238.740182 I, I believe, no. 296 00:24:46,238.740182 --> 00:24:48,998.740182 I believe, uh, PE people, especially young people. 297 00:24:49,188.740182 --> 00:25:00,358.740182 They, they respect authenticity, and they respect when they see that you authentically really believe what you're preaching and you are, they're not seeing them as projects, but actually you are a friend and you are there for them. 298 00:25:00,628.740182 --> 00:25:04,228.740182 Uh, it makes a huge difference and I think we need to have a bit more of that. 299 00:25:04,228.740182 --> 00:25:06,928.740182 So, so that's what we teach to go into the scene. 300 00:25:07,18.740182 --> 00:25:11,808.740182 We say in our school, we say you're going into the scene to reach the scene, not be reached by it. 301 00:25:12,171.3988166 --> 00:25:13,941.3988166 and that's, that's something we want to encourage them. 302 00:25:14,403.2311337 --> 00:25:15,873.2311337 Yeah, no, I really like that. 303 00:25:15,873.2311337 --> 00:25:19,713.2311337 And, and I appreciate the, the distinction you make between the salt and the lights. 304 00:25:20,13.2311337 --> 00:25:22,713.2311337 Like being different, but also making a difference. 305 00:25:22,963.2311337 --> 00:25:28,849.8873618 And I feel like that, that is the tension that at least I've experienced in my ministry to, young adults and you know. 306 00:25:29,204.8873618 --> 00:25:39,717.4518871 Part of what I was reflecting on as you were speaking is we were once involved in, in a ministry where we went to like the clubs and we went to those spaces and we were serving the people in those spaces. 307 00:25:39,777.4518871 --> 00:25:54,773.5149192 And so we were being different, and we were making somewhat of a difference, but we were actually proclaiming the gospel, you know, and we did that for a number of years and, and we just kind of, We were appreciated in those spaces and people did actually recognize that Christ was in those spaces. 308 00:25:54,773.5149192 --> 00:25:59,963.5149192 And we had good conversations, but there wasn't any like genuine impact that went beyond that. 309 00:26:00,383.5149192 --> 00:26:07,524.6536278 And, and as I'm reflecting from what you're saying is, you know, we, we were there, but we weren't, we weren't being bold. 310 00:26:08,94.6536278 --> 00:26:12,767.9177938 And, I feel like that that's like a learning that I'm just picking up from this conversation. 311 00:26:13,277.9177938 --> 00:26:16,282.9141679 And, I, I would, I would love Yeah, please. 312 00:26:16,316.9141679 --> 00:26:21,806.9141679 briefly? That that's, that's a really important point because I feel like that has been a struggle for us as a church globally. 313 00:26:21,806.9141679 --> 00:26:27,426.9141679 Like when, when I look around at what there is in terms of evangelistic ministry especially for the younger generation, I. 314 00:26:27,686.9141679 --> 00:26:33,56.9141679 They'll tend to be two types, right? And there'll be some types that are very boldly evangelistic. 315 00:26:33,306.9141679 --> 00:26:44,126.0693745 But it's often the ones that, let's say the majority of the rest of the church cringe about, and they're like, oh, that's a bit too, you know, especially when I mentioned street evangelism for example, a lot of people would be like, oh, that doesn't really work where I am. 316 00:26:44,126.0693745 --> 00:26:45,956.0693745 Or I've seen that and I don't like that. 317 00:26:46,286.0693745 --> 00:26:48,536.0693745 Why? Because sometimes we're too much on. 318 00:26:49,161.0693745 --> 00:26:49,341.0693745 on. 319 00:26:49,341.0693745 --> 00:27:02,691.0693745 that side with, with that kind of, so there, there, there's a style of ministry that's, that's kind of preaching loud and boldly, but it's lacking that relevance and that listening and that relational aspect to really talk, connect with people's hearts. 320 00:27:02,691.0693745 --> 00:27:09,868.1298175 It's just going over people's heads and it's more about, can I be brave enough to yell at people or not, you know? but then on the other side, the other type of ministry. 321 00:27:10,88.6039854 --> 00:27:22,178.6039854 which, you know, I think a lot of us, it's all out of a good heart, but we'll, we'll be going into places and trying to connect with people, but it's really hard to know how can I be very clear here? How can I be bold? How can I preach? And, and it's a real struggle. 322 00:27:22,458.6039854 --> 00:27:37,638.6039854 And so maybe that's one of the most important things we need to pray over and think about together as a church today is, is how can we do both of those things for a secular culture? How can we not how, how can we find that combination that Jesus taught of, of being there very present. 323 00:27:38,128.6039854 --> 00:27:40,408.6039854 And, and being clear about the message. 324 00:27:40,508.6039854 --> 00:27:55,597.6011 Not just taught, but of course Jesus demonstrated it amazingly, spending all his time out and about in the places where people were very relationally present and constantly speaking truth into every situation very boldly, and not not being afraid to take a risk or to offend. 325 00:27:56,137.6011 --> 00:27:57,757.6011 And so there's something about that. 326 00:27:57,757.6011 --> 00:28:00,697.6011 I think that as a church, we, we should learn together more about. 327 00:28:01,173.7920664 --> 00:28:07,467.9760348 I'd be curious to hear from you, you know, just connected to this conversation, and it has to do with local church pastors and leaders. 328 00:28:07,601.4387515 --> 00:28:09,221.4387515 there is this paradigm. 329 00:28:09,501.4387515 --> 00:28:17,771.4387515 That we've inherited through the West, and I'm referring to, to my context here in South Africa where we expect people to come to us. 330 00:28:18,241.4387515 --> 00:28:25,351.4387515 In our local churches, but we very rarely mobilize our people to go out and to reach and to make a difference. 331 00:28:25,651.4387515 --> 00:28:39,671.8570256 If you had to sit with, a bunch of pastors or church leaders and you were given an opportunity to, to help inspire them or encourage them to think more broadly about their mission, what would be one or two things that you'd say to them? two things come to mind. 332 00:28:39,671.8570256 --> 00:28:43,891.8570256 One is I love when we get to sit together with church leaders to think through. 333 00:28:43,921.8570256 --> 00:28:53,281.8570256 Looking at specifically probably at acts as a great example of two aspects or movements and elements of the kingdom of God that we see very present in acts. 334 00:28:53,311.8570256 --> 00:28:56,401.8570256 It's the movement of local church and missions. 335 00:28:56,896.8570256 --> 00:28:59,716.8570256 And that's, always been from the very start of the church. 336 00:28:59,716.8570256 --> 00:29:03,256.8570256 Two important elements and aspects that we have to hold strong together. 337 00:29:03,656.8570256 --> 00:29:04,361.8570256 So you have. 338 00:29:04,925.1903589 --> 00:29:15,275.1903589 James and the church in Jerusalem, or the church in Antioch being an important growing ministry that is, is reaching people and growing as a church and teaching the word and being strong. 339 00:29:15,635.1903589 --> 00:29:21,794.2780422 Uh, and then you have Paul and Barnabas traveling around and, and others going and preaching in, in different, in places. 340 00:29:21,794.2780422 --> 00:29:24,614.2780422 And yet there's, it's always connected and strong together. 341 00:29:25,349.2780422 --> 00:29:37,51.3969071 Today when we talk about missions, we often think of a missionary going to another country and cross-cultural missions, which is super important and we still need to keep strong. 342 00:29:37,531.3969071 --> 00:29:41,601.3969071 But living in a time of, such increasing secularism all around us. 343 00:29:41,601.3969071 --> 00:29:48,231.3969071 We also have to recognize that there's that cultural gap in our own cities, and we need that same missional movement to reach our cities. 344 00:29:48,621.3969071 --> 00:29:52,101.3969071 So church, for a church leader, and you know, for pastors, it's super tough. 345 00:29:52,101.3969071 --> 00:29:54,561.3969071 You've gotta hold so many things together all at the same time. 346 00:29:54,801.3969071 --> 00:29:55,971.3969071 The busyness is hard. 347 00:29:55,971.3969071 --> 00:29:57,951.3969071 There's, there's so many different ministries. 348 00:29:58,243.4675056 --> 00:30:03,698.0635738 but I think a, an alive and healthy church is one able, is able to hold those two aspects together. 349 00:30:03,698.0635738 --> 00:30:04,778.0635738 Strong all the time. 350 00:30:04,948.0635738 --> 00:30:06,928.0635738 Inward and outward inward. 351 00:30:06,928.0635738 --> 00:30:25,220.2492894 Are we caring for all the different demographics in our church? Are we teaching the word? Are we praying? Are we looking after each other and outward? Are we missional cross-culturally and evangelistically locally? And I think we do need to see that very much as a mission to reach secular culture around us in our cities. 352 00:30:25,400.2492894 --> 00:30:31,340.2492894 So for that reason, we need to be raising up the, the next generation of missionaries and evangelists in our churches. 353 00:30:31,520.2492894 --> 00:30:34,190.2492894 We need to find those young people and young adults who are. 354 00:30:34,540.2492894 --> 00:30:40,480.2492894 Gifted and called in that way and, and encourage them outwards and not fill their schedule with all the church meetings. 355 00:30:40,480.2492894 --> 00:30:42,790.2492894 And you gotta be in this, that, and the other and say, no, go. 356 00:30:42,970.2492894 --> 00:30:45,670.2492894 Go to the festivals and the clubs and the universities. 357 00:30:45,670.2492894 --> 00:30:47,440.2492894 Go and be present in those places. 358 00:30:47,680.2492894 --> 00:30:53,590.2492894 Do something evangelistic, run an event outside the church building for people who are not even ready to come to the church yet. 359 00:30:53,830.2492894 --> 00:30:55,660.2492894 Don't expect it to create immediate. 360 00:30:55,665.2492894 --> 00:30:57,885.2492894 Fruit where there's, my church is gonna be full on Sunday. 361 00:30:57,885.2492894 --> 00:30:58,125.2492894 No. 362 00:30:58,305.2492894 --> 00:31:00,735.2492894 Encourage a movement that's outward. 363 00:31:01,26.5347 --> 00:31:02,16.5347 So that's one piece. 364 00:31:02,286.5347 --> 00:31:03,731.8120505 And, I think the, the other. 365 00:31:04,283.7142069 --> 00:31:13,423.2560587 Element of that is there's been a shift in our idea of evangelism that on one hand there's good things to it, but there's also a danger in it. 366 00:31:13,663.2560587 --> 00:31:19,33.2560587 We've started, and you kind of described it there, Jason, you said, you know, we have this idea that people need to come to us. 367 00:31:19,93.2560587 --> 00:31:26,23.2560587 And some of the some, some of that was really good, right? When we were saying, oh, you know, we need to make our church meetings and services more welcoming to people. 368 00:31:26,183.2560587 --> 00:31:28,13.2560587 The seeker friendly kind of idea. 369 00:31:28,208.2560587 --> 00:31:39,836.3163781 You know that, that, that is important as a church to say, how, can I welcome people into my church? But if we only do that, we will be reaching a very small percentage of the secular population around us. 370 00:31:39,836.3163781 --> 00:31:41,846.3163781 And that's really key to recognize. 371 00:31:41,846.3163781 --> 00:31:48,549.4054594 So the model of, and I've actually had a number of conversations with pastors, particularly in Europe about this, where they'll say. 372 00:31:49,169.4054594 --> 00:32:00,749.4054594 When I say, Hey, what's your evangelistic strategy as a church? They'll say, oh, well we, we encourage everybody to be a missionary and to invite their friends to church or to invite their friends to come to these event evangelistic moments and, and meetings. 373 00:32:01,19.4054594 --> 00:32:07,709.4054594 Now, that's great, and that's important to do, but especially if you're in a, a country like I am in Poland, that's half percent. 374 00:32:07,989.4054594 --> 00:32:08,949.4054594 Evangelical. 375 00:32:09,349.4054594 --> 00:32:18,439.4054594 the percentage of secular population around us who would get the chance to be invited by a friend to come to church or to an evangelical meeting is so small. 376 00:32:18,739.4054594 --> 00:32:21,109.4054594 And, and so that's, that's heartbreaking to me. 377 00:32:21,109.4054594 --> 00:32:21,169.4054594 I. 378 00:32:21,489.7829262 --> 00:32:30,894.3099954 We need to be out with the gospel public and, and so we need to find ways to go out to people and to make the gospel public and to have that missional thing. 379 00:32:30,894.3099954 --> 00:32:33,384.3099954 So I'd say invite your friend to church. 380 00:32:33,594.3099954 --> 00:32:34,74.3099954 Good. 381 00:32:34,464.3099954 --> 00:32:36,474.3099954 Don't let it be the only thing you do. 382 00:32:36,474.3099954 --> 00:32:37,614.3099954 It's gotta be out there. 383 00:32:37,614.3099954 --> 00:32:38,874.3099954 We gotta go meet strangers. 384 00:32:38,904.3099954 --> 00:32:40,524.3099954 We gotta go on the main squares. 385 00:32:40,554.3099954 --> 00:32:45,893.3286504 We need to be, in these places where young people are meeting and gathering, if we want the next generation to hear the gospel. 386 00:32:46,224.3286504 --> 00:32:50,274.3286504 So I would love to hear some of the innovative approaches you've taken. 387 00:32:50,304.3286504 --> 00:32:59,978.5415504 You, you mentioned the need to, to ask the questions, like, what is this generation facing? What are the deepest questions? That they asked you, and you mentioned identity, purpose, belonging. 388 00:33:00,265.1809428 --> 00:33:02,965.1809428 you mentioned the challenge of anxiety and depression. 389 00:33:03,367.4812492 --> 00:33:07,237.4812492 the need for us as a church to get out of our walls and, and go do something about it. 390 00:33:07,567.4812492 --> 00:33:15,122.4812492 One of the things that, that I've really been encouraged by, as I looked in at what you were doing your ministry with Tyer ha has been. 391 00:33:15,507.4812492 --> 00:33:21,957.4812492 That very innovative approach of, of getting out onto the streets and, and doing like evangelism in an innovative way. 392 00:33:22,325.2981648 --> 00:33:39,705.2981648 so could you just list a few examples or, or share a few examples that, that might help encourage and inspire a ministry leader who might feel stuck in their mission or church leader who might be stuck or, or someone who's just passionate about this and just needs help to, to generate that energy to, to move out the walls. 393 00:33:40,65.2981648 --> 00:33:42,375.2981648 Uh, so I'm just leave it there and I would love to just share from you. 394 00:33:42,709.2981648 --> 00:33:45,899.2981648 Definitely I've mentioned a couple of times, uh, mission School. 395 00:33:45,899.2981648 --> 00:33:57,989.2981648 We, we run, uh, the Steiger Mission School twice every summer for around seven weeks, and it's mostly people in their twenties that come and it's a great way for people to get more trained and equipped to start something new in their cities. 396 00:33:58,109.2981648 --> 00:34:06,509.2981648 And in the Mission School, we, we diverse teachings around what is global youth culture and how to do this kind of evangelistic ministry, discipleship ministry. 397 00:34:06,789.2981648 --> 00:34:10,359.2981648 But a core part of our teaching is three principles. 398 00:34:10,914.2981648 --> 00:34:15,414.2981648 First, get to know the scene in the city around you, the secular culture around you. 399 00:34:15,414.2981648 --> 00:34:21,114.2981648 And often that's as simple as go on a prayer walk with your team or your church or your youth group. 400 00:34:21,444.2981648 --> 00:34:23,634.2981648 Go out and about where young people meet. 401 00:34:23,634.2981648 --> 00:34:24,804.2981648 Go into the center of the city. 402 00:34:24,804.2981648 --> 00:34:30,384.2981648 Go into the university campus and just walk together and pray and ask God to show you what's happening around you. 403 00:34:30,574.2981648 --> 00:34:31,54.2981648 And then. 404 00:34:31,669.2981648 --> 00:34:36,439.2981648 Start to be what we say we call be relationally present in the scene to know the scene. 405 00:34:36,439.2981648 --> 00:34:43,969.2981648 So go and be there, hangout, make friends get to know people, ask questions about what they see and what they believe and what life is about for them. 406 00:34:44,209.2981648 --> 00:34:45,229.2981648 So that's the first principle. 407 00:34:45,229.2981648 --> 00:34:48,529.2981648 The second one is creatively speak truth into the scene. 408 00:34:48,739.2981648 --> 00:34:50,749.2981648 Creatively, preach the gospel into the scene. 409 00:34:50,749.2981648 --> 00:34:58,429.2981648 So then we start saying, pray for God to give you ideas, creative ideas, to make the gospel public, to bring proclamation into your. 410 00:34:58,489.2981648 --> 00:35:00,499.2981648 Relational presence in that place. 411 00:35:00,589.2981648 --> 00:35:03,229.2981648 And then lastly, we say make disciples in the scene. 412 00:35:03,589.2981648 --> 00:35:10,579.2981648 And so what, what we mean by that is don't wait for, if you go and do something evangelistic, don't wait for people to just turn up at your church on Sunday. 413 00:35:10,849.2981648 --> 00:35:14,59.2981648 Start the discipleship process right then and there where you are. 414 00:35:14,539.2981648 --> 00:35:21,799.2981648 And, and so I'll give you a few examples of both the creative evangelism side and that discipleship side of things. 415 00:35:22,40.0416826 --> 00:35:39,180.0416826 mean, creative evangelism often for teams that end up starting in cities around the world, you know, somebody will come to the Stiga Mission School and they'll go back to their church, their home church and their city, and they'll say, they'll go up to their pastor and they'll be annoying and they'll be like, I wanna start something new because I've been inspired by this mission school. 416 00:35:39,480.0416826 --> 00:35:41,160.0416826 I want to start something evangelistic. 417 00:35:41,160.0416826 --> 00:35:43,140.0416826 And of course the pastor will be like, yes, of course. 418 00:35:43,140.0416826 --> 00:35:44,405.0416826 I want you to, let's pray for you. 419 00:35:44,970.0416826 --> 00:35:45,120.0416826 you. 420 00:35:45,120.0416826 --> 00:35:46,560.0416826 know, and that's a hope anyway. 421 00:35:46,830.0416826 --> 00:35:48,390.0416826 And, uh, and then, and then they'll. 422 00:35:48,415.0416826 --> 00:35:51,925.0416826 Start usually with something simple like some street evangelism. 423 00:35:51,985.0416826 --> 00:35:54,455.0416826 And so we have this, uh, I'll give you an example. 424 00:35:54,455.0416826 --> 00:35:59,755.0416826 We've got this handbook for street evangelism for Steiger Streets, and it's full of creative ideas. 425 00:36:00,55.0416826 --> 00:36:03,115.0416826 Right from something as simple as take and leave. 426 00:36:03,136.5862232 --> 00:36:06,346.5862232 we have a big glass jar, two big glass jars. 427 00:36:06,346.5862232 --> 00:36:07,906.5862232 One says, take the other says, leave. 428 00:36:07,906.5862232 --> 00:36:11,206.5862232 We go out on the streets with a table and we say, leave. 429 00:36:11,236.5862232 --> 00:36:14,866.5862232 Write something here in your life you don't want anymore and leave it here. 430 00:36:15,106.5862232 --> 00:36:18,319.3591925 Or if we're in a place where we're allowed to do that, we have a, a little. 431 00:36:18,549.3591925 --> 00:36:20,649.3591925 Kind of bucket or bowl and we say, burn. 432 00:36:20,649.3591925 --> 00:36:21,609.3591925 Burn that here. 433 00:36:21,819.3591925 --> 00:36:25,689.3591925 And we'll set a, a match to it and burn this so you don't want it in your life anymore. 434 00:36:25,929.3591925 --> 00:36:27,819.3591925 And then take something new for your life. 435 00:36:27,819.3591925 --> 00:36:30,519.3591925 And they'll take a paper from that jar and it'll be a verse. 436 00:36:30,549.3591925 --> 00:36:32,829.3591925 It'll be, there's a series of Bible verses there. 437 00:36:33,338.9525478 --> 00:36:40,58.9525478 it's amazing how often prophetically what they take is totally linked to what they've left behind or, you know, and we offer prayer. 438 00:36:40,118.9525478 --> 00:36:45,588.9525478 Can I talk to you? Would you like to talk about what you've left and taken and would you like prayer? Order something more elaborate. 439 00:36:45,588.9525478 --> 00:37:00,744.1149404 We, we do an installation of graffiti with, wrapping plastic, What's that called? You know, the plastic wrapper around trees and doing a, a temporary graffiti with the, uh, human rights written around in graffiti or like love, peace, justice, equality. 440 00:37:01,14.1149404 --> 00:37:10,794.1149404 And then we'll have signs with questions, you know, how can we achieve these things? Where do these things come from? Can we live this for real in our society today? And it sparks conversations. 441 00:37:11,134.1149404 --> 00:37:12,630.406182 Or will we'll go. 442 00:37:13,40.406182 --> 00:37:17,840.406182 Out in Halloween and we'll put together a little haunted house experience and we'll talk about fear. 443 00:37:17,840.406182 --> 00:37:22,236.5070977 What are you afraid of? And can I pray for you about that? we'll do public worship. 444 00:37:22,266.5070977 --> 00:37:29,166.5070977 'cause we find when young people gather and they sing and they're just, just worshiping, it draws people in and, and they wanna know what it's about. 445 00:37:29,462.69225 --> 00:37:34,592.69225 this generation is all about protesting and wanting to see a change and see the world change. 446 00:37:34,772.69225 --> 00:37:37,712.69225 We'll do a lot of creative evangelism in the realm of protest. 447 00:37:37,712.69225 --> 00:37:49,922.69225 We'll do a protest against the lies of secular culture that we are told that we are just the things we buy, and that life is just to buy stuff, get old and die one day, and that you are all on your own and that love is just a passing feeling. 448 00:37:49,922.69225 --> 00:37:53,552.69225 And all these ideas from secular culture will say, we are protesting against these lives. 449 00:37:53,552.69225 --> 00:37:54,187.69225 We want you to know. 450 00:37:54,577.69225 --> 00:37:58,597.69225 That you are valuable and that you are worth more than all of that, and that you are not on your own. 451 00:37:59,237.69225 --> 00:38:14,147.69225 And so we find ways of challenging some of the questions and lies of secular culture while also finding common ground with people the things that they want, the good values that they want to see in, in this world that often come from God and they don't know it. 452 00:38:14,477.69225 --> 00:38:16,277.69225 And so we connect with those. 453 00:38:16,637.69225 --> 00:38:20,867.69225 but then we, you know, our teams that are long term in cities become more elaborate soon. 454 00:38:20,867.69225 --> 00:38:22,667.69225 They're running events in cultural centers. 455 00:38:22,667.69225 --> 00:38:27,407.69225 They're going and starting artistic and music stuff in clubs and in festivals. 456 00:38:27,407.69225 --> 00:38:31,332.69225 They're running, uh, film discussion clubs or things like that. 457 00:38:31,332.69225 --> 00:38:40,439.559942 And then the next step of discipleship, we, we run, bible studies for the non-religious, because people, when we meet them through an evangelistic event, they might tell us. 458 00:38:41,24.559942 --> 00:38:41,624.559942 Oh, it's great. 459 00:38:41,624.559942 --> 00:38:43,784.559942 You believe that stuff, but I'm not religious. 460 00:38:43,844.559942 --> 00:38:45,974.559942 And then we say, oh, well that's interesting. 461 00:38:45,974.559942 --> 00:38:48,104.559942 We actually have a Bible study for people like you. 462 00:38:48,104.559942 --> 00:38:57,614.559942 It's a Bible study for the non-religious, and, and people will go, what do you mean? You know, why, why would I go to a Bible study if I'm not religious? And, oh, well that's the thing, you know, maybe you, you haven't given it a chance yet. 463 00:38:57,614.559942 --> 00:39:04,724.559942 And actually we find people are very drawn or curious about that, and we end up having quite a lot of people attending this all around the world. 464 00:39:05,44.559942 --> 00:39:08,14.559942 I mean, in Europe, just in 2024, we had. 465 00:39:08,299.559942 --> 00:39:15,79.559942 Just over 900 attendances to Bible studies for the non-religious in cities across 21 European countries. 466 00:39:15,79.559942 --> 00:39:20,67.8932753 And, People are curious to know, to know more, to try to understand a next step. 467 00:39:20,127.8932753 --> 00:39:28,977.8932753 They might not be willing to walk into a church, but they're willing to meet and have an open conversation or a debate around a theme or a topic that is relevant to them. 468 00:39:29,437.8932753 --> 00:39:30,847.8932753 One last example I'll give you. 469 00:39:30,847.8932753 --> 00:39:32,47.8932753 We run community housing. 470 00:39:32,502.8932753 --> 00:39:43,242.8932753 Many of our teams in cities around the world, uh, will rent a place to live together and they'll create a very kind of home family space that they invite people into, like an open house. 471 00:39:43,522.8932753 --> 00:39:44,812.8932753 Come and have dinner with us. 472 00:39:44,812.8932753 --> 00:39:45,712.8932753 Come and meet us. 473 00:39:46,15.8012911 --> 00:39:55,705.8012911 our team here in Poland in Rots off where, where I am right now, they use some of the meetup apps like, uh, Amigos or Meetup, which is just an app that. 474 00:39:56,55.8012911 --> 00:40:01,365.8012911 People used to see, where are people hanging out today? Where can I go and meet up somebody? Some group of people, I don't know. 475 00:40:01,545.8012911 --> 00:40:11,366.6950233 That may sound strange to some of our listeners, but that's, that's some of the things that this generation does to try to find connections, you know? and yes, they're online, but they're looking for in-person connections. 476 00:40:11,396.6950233 --> 00:40:17,422.2869807 And, so our community house, they'll be on the Amigos or the Meetup app and they'll say there's a hangout tonight at our house. 477 00:40:17,452.2869807 --> 00:40:18,292.2869807 Anybody's welcome. 478 00:40:18,352.2869807 --> 00:40:21,562.2869807 And people will just roll up and say, yeah, I'd, I'd like to come and check this out. 479 00:40:21,886.5121606 --> 00:40:26,26.5121606 There was a guy that turned up at one of these evening meals last year. 480 00:40:26,296.5121606 --> 00:40:27,166.5121606 His name was Adam. 481 00:40:27,646.5121606 --> 00:40:31,816.5121606 And, uh, he came and said, yeah, this was one of the last crazy things I was gonna try. 482 00:40:31,876.5121606 --> 00:40:33,16.5121606 I don't know what to try anymore. 483 00:40:33,406.5121606 --> 00:40:37,456.5121606 And, uh, later on they found out that he had actually planned a suicide for the following weekend. 484 00:40:38,221.2841782 --> 00:40:41,101.2841782 he didn't go through with it because the team would just. 485 00:40:42,211.2841782 --> 00:40:46,951.2841782 Investing in him and calling him and talking to him and inviting him around. 486 00:40:46,981.2841782 --> 00:40:54,91.1161225 And, then he started coming along to one of these Bible study for the non-religious, and, uh, a couple of weeks ago he came to church for the first time. 487 00:40:54,431.1161225 --> 00:40:59,891.1161225 But you know, you need, you need that period of time often for many people like that, where they get to know and discover it. 488 00:41:00,251.1161225 --> 00:41:02,321.1161225 So it's going into the scene. 489 00:41:02,681.1161225 --> 00:41:11,321.1161225 It's doing creative evangelism that really connects with people's hearts and then inviting them into a discipleship relationship into a community where they can gradually connect. 490 00:41:11,351.1161225 --> 00:41:16,31.1161225 And that I think is what we need to bridge the gap between secular culture and the church today. 491 00:41:16,292.1161225 --> 00:41:16,502.1161225 Yeah. 492 00:41:16,502.1161225 --> 00:41:21,572.1161225 I mean, I, I really appreciate you diving into the connection between the evangelism and the discipleship. 493 00:41:21,859.3991718 --> 00:41:30,469.3991718 it's one thing for, for someone to have a great conversation or to give their life to Christ on the streets, it's a whole nother thing to, to begin a journey with. 494 00:41:30,784.3991718 --> 00:41:31,564.3991718 With them. 495 00:41:31,891.16872 --> 00:41:53,948.4892315 yeah, I mean, I, I'd be curious to hear from you, once you've, you've built that relationship, at what point do you, do you tag the church in, or, what is the next step beyond that, that non-religious bible study that you help bridge that journey into further discipleship? So for us, this whole thing only works if it's rooted in the local church. 496 00:41:54,188.4892315 --> 00:42:02,183.0512115 And so when we start a missional team in, in a city, all of the members of that team are part of a local church. 497 00:42:02,333.0512115 --> 00:42:07,103.0512115 Sometimes, especially to start with, they might be part of one local church, but the ideal for us is that you end up. 498 00:42:07,343.0512115 --> 00:42:14,753.0512115 With a bit of a missional movement with people from various different churches coming together to do evangelistic things, to reach lost young people. 499 00:42:15,173.0512115 --> 00:42:27,33.0512115 And what that means is if I'm going out doing some creative evangelism, inviting somebody to a Bible study for the non-religious, inviting them to my home for a meal I'm that point of contact of connection. 500 00:42:27,603.0512115 --> 00:42:30,873.0512115 It's very natural that that person might end up coming along to the church I go to. 501 00:42:31,293.0512115 --> 00:42:32,403.0512115 And that's what we see happen. 502 00:42:32,403.0512115 --> 00:42:42,843.0512115 We've got, you know, a whole group of young adults and young people that our team here are connecting to, and they see that the team members all on a Sunday morning, they're rolling up at different churches. 503 00:42:43,263.0512115 --> 00:42:50,973.0512115 Uh, if so, sometimes we have non-believers living in the community houses with us, and they see people going to church every Sunday and they're like, okay, maybe I'll go along with these guys. 504 00:42:51,3.0512115 --> 00:42:52,353.0512115 Maybe I'll go and see what it's about. 505 00:42:52,723.0512115 --> 00:42:53,533.0512115 When we work with. 506 00:42:54,68.0512115 --> 00:43:03,488.0512115 Training churches, we say, come out with us on an evangelistic action, meet new people, and then invite them and, and often that's the best follow up. 507 00:43:03,488.0512115 --> 00:43:08,18.0512115 It's not a great meeting or a great data system to follow up with people. 508 00:43:08,168.0512115 --> 00:43:13,658.0512115 It's a one-on-one connection where you say, Hey, meet me tomorrow for coffee and on Sunday if you want to come to church with me. 509 00:43:13,658.0512115 --> 00:43:14,918.0512115 That's where I go every Sunday. 510 00:43:15,188.0512115 --> 00:43:18,218.0512115 And then soon somebody who you've just met is coming along. 511 00:43:18,398.0512115 --> 00:43:20,558.0512115 So I think that's the strongest link into the church. 512 00:43:20,558.0512115 --> 00:43:21,518.0512115 It's the relational. 513 00:43:22,228.0512115 --> 00:43:35,728.0512115 It's being rooted in the church and not creating a missional movement that is separate from the church and it's its own thing and it's got its own meanings, but it's connected to that local church and we inviting the local church into it. 514 00:43:36,10.3001938 --> 00:43:39,160.3001938 when it comes to church leaders, we want to be able to say, we want to serve. 515 00:43:39,165.3001938 --> 00:43:42,765.3001938 By creating space for good evangelism to happen. 516 00:43:42,985.3001938 --> 00:43:54,74.4323909 Taking some of that off your plate so you don't have to feel like, oh, how do I figure that out? You know, and then, but then having it deeply rooted and connected to the church so that, the whole church can feel behind it I think is really key. 517 00:43:54,470.4323909 --> 00:43:56,930.4323909 we, we've spoken to the church leaders. 518 00:43:57,38.1896081 --> 00:44:08,648.1896081 I'm hoping, and I'm praying that, that perhaps there's someone listening to this or a group of people who are listening to this and that they, as individuals, maybe young people are, are feeling a call to this kind of ministry. 519 00:44:09,188.1896081 --> 00:44:20,128.8562748 What advice would you give to, to those young people who, who are feeling this call to do something for the kingdom of God in this way? encourage you to start with prayer. 520 00:44:20,228.8562748 --> 00:44:24,582.103412 If you remember back to when I was describing the values, start by seeking God on this. 521 00:44:24,612.103412 --> 00:44:32,872.103412 God, what can I do to reach people around me? God, what are you calling me to do? How can I start? What can I do first? Invite friends together to pray. 522 00:44:33,56.7963278 --> 00:44:36,122.103412 starting a group to pray with that kind of intentionality of. 523 00:44:36,902.103412 --> 00:44:40,772.103412 Let's pray for lost people in our university or in our city. 524 00:44:40,982.103412 --> 00:44:47,972.103412 And God, what can we do? I've done that various times in different cities where God has led me and my wife and my family to live, and it always ends up. 525 00:44:48,647.103412 --> 00:44:53,717.103412 Creating some kind of new idea or new vision of an action to do so, start with prayer. 526 00:44:53,807.103412 --> 00:44:56,987.103412 Gather people to pray and go out to people. 527 00:44:57,47.103412 --> 00:45:03,677.103412 You know, the next piece of what I was describing, going into the scene and listening and observing and getting a heart for the lost. 528 00:45:03,907.103412 --> 00:45:07,897.103412 Do a prayer walk with your group around the city, around the university campus. 529 00:45:08,183.7700787 --> 00:45:17,473.7700787 Go and meet people, go into the parties and, and, uh, then if you allow me some shameless advertising, I'd say to any young adult out there come to the Stiger Mission School this summer. 530 00:45:17,473.7700787 --> 00:45:18,463.7700787 Cancel your plans. 531 00:45:19,363.7700787 --> 00:45:21,943.7700787 Look up steger.org/sms 532 00:45:21,943.7700787 --> 00:45:26,503.7700787 or ser mission School and, uh, and come, come join us for seven weeks. 533 00:45:26,503.7700787 --> 00:45:29,923.7700787 Get some ideas, some inspiration, and start something new in your city. 534 00:45:30,204.7700787 --> 00:45:30,564.7700787 Wonderful. 535 00:45:30,564.7700787 --> 00:45:38,45.4617577 I'm gonna make sure to put that in the show notes for, for those who, who might not be, um, on their phones right now, so they can find that in the show notes. 536 00:45:38,315.4617577 --> 00:45:43,209.4617577 Are there any other resources that you could point people to those who are interested in this? Yeah, definitely. 537 00:45:43,209.4617577 --> 00:45:45,279.4617577 If you go to our website, stiger.org 538 00:45:45,329.4617577 --> 00:45:47,429.4617577 sti.org/resources 539 00:45:47,459.4617577 --> 00:45:48,449.4617577 there's a ton of. 540 00:45:48,469.4617577 --> 00:45:49,219.4617577 Books there. 541 00:45:49,219.4617577 --> 00:45:55,249.4617577 My book called Global Youth Culture, the Spiritual Hunger of the Largest Unreached People Group Today that's there. 542 00:45:55,439.4617577 --> 00:45:58,229.4617577 There's a book called Jesus in the Secular World. 543 00:45:58,352.7948876 --> 00:46:01,922.7948876 there's, yeah, there's a lot of great resources there that you could check out. 544 00:46:02,282.7948876 --> 00:46:04,479.4615542 There's also the, that, uh. 545 00:46:04,484.4615542 --> 00:46:08,414.4615542 Street Handbook Manual, the Street Evangelism Manual I mentioned. 546 00:46:08,714.4615542 --> 00:46:12,374.4615542 We also have a series for Bible studies for the non-religious. 547 00:46:12,401.1282209 --> 00:46:16,631.1282209 We've got one series based on the Gospel of Luke, another on the Gospel of John. 548 00:46:16,980.361781 --> 00:46:19,620.361781 and we even have one that's kind of pre evangelistic. 549 00:46:19,620.361781 --> 00:46:22,590.361781 It's spiritual conversations for the non-religious. 550 00:46:22,687.0148422 --> 00:46:36,548.2616739 and you can find out on that website, you could also go straight to the website we've created for non-believers called, is There More Info? And that runs through those kind of more open questions and leads into a Bible study eventually. 551 00:46:37,188.4023652 --> 00:46:40,698.4023652 so tho those are some of the resources you can, you can connect with me as well. 552 00:46:40,698.4023652 --> 00:46:47,268.4023652 Well, you can find Steger, Steiger Europe or Steiger International, or Steiger, whatever continent and place you are on Instagram. 553 00:46:48,48.4023652 --> 00:46:59,178.4023652 And, uh, you can connect with me as well on Instagram, Luke j Greenwood, on Instagram and, uh, fi You'll find some, some messages and resources on that profile as well, the link into the mission. 554 00:46:59,587.8742606 --> 00:46:59,827.8742606 Great. 555 00:46:59,827.8742606 --> 00:47:00,7.8742606 Yeah. 556 00:47:00,7.8742606 --> 00:47:00,637.8742606 Thank you for that. 557 00:47:00,637.8742606 --> 00:47:00,847.8742606 Luke. 558 00:47:00,847.8742606 --> 00:47:20,572.3733907 I'm gonna make sure to also put that in the show notes for those who are keen as we close off, there was a lot that we wanted, well, I wanted to engage with you on, I feel like this could go on to part two and three, but as we close off, is there any last thoughts or challenge that you would like to leave with those who are listening? Yeah, I'd love to ask you guys to pray. 559 00:47:20,642.3733907 --> 00:47:28,952.3733907 For us, we, we've been feeling like a real important moment right now in, I I think, you know, the church around the globe and missions. 560 00:47:29,52.3733907 --> 00:47:33,372.3733907 There's such a need to reach this next generation, the secular culture around us and. 561 00:47:33,814.8431649 --> 00:47:38,14.8431649 so many young people today don't get the chance to hear about Jesus in a way they can understand. 562 00:47:38,224.8431649 --> 00:47:42,4.8431649 And yet at the same time, we see an incredible spiritual hunger and openness. 563 00:47:42,64.8431649 --> 00:47:48,334.8431649 Uh, in the West, we are hearing stories left, right, and center of people turning back to faith and, uh, looking and searching. 564 00:47:48,664.8431649 --> 00:47:54,64.8431649 And there's also, in the churches a real move of young people, young adults, wanting to go out and share their faith. 565 00:47:54,64.8431649 --> 00:47:54,334.8431649 There's. 566 00:47:54,524.8431649 --> 00:48:00,794.8431649 Stories and, and, and, uh, researchers everywhere showing Gen Z, being keen to share the gospel and share their faith. 567 00:48:01,184.8431649 --> 00:48:02,234.8431649 So I would say pray. 568 00:48:02,264.8431649 --> 00:48:05,894.8431649 Pray for a new missionary movement to reach the next generation. 569 00:48:06,499.8431649 --> 00:48:08,779.8431649 And if you would pray for us with our mission, Steiger. 570 00:48:09,79.8431649 --> 00:48:15,739.8431649 One of the big, bold prayers we've been praying is for a thousand young missional leaders to raise up over thenar the next five years. 571 00:48:16,19.8431649 --> 00:48:17,309.8431649 We run our mission school. 572 00:48:17,309.8431649 --> 00:48:19,499.8431649 We've got around 150 coming each year. 573 00:48:19,499.8431649 --> 00:48:25,589.8431649 At the moment, we are praying to see that double and triple and to see a thousand trained over the next five years. 574 00:48:25,899.8431649 --> 00:48:28,303.0563572 We're also, right now developing a new. 575 00:48:28,493.0563572 --> 00:48:40,343.0563572 Uh, ministry Center in Europe, in Poland, we feel Poland is a key country in Europe for God, where we see God moving and where Europe was divided, that Europe would come together again for the gospel. 576 00:48:40,613.0563572 --> 00:48:44,813.0563572 And, uh, we are, we're actually trying to get a, a ministry center in Poland. 577 00:48:44,873.0563572 --> 00:48:47,323.0563572 We're actually raising money right now to buy a place. 578 00:48:47,383.0563572 --> 00:48:48,553.0563572 And so pray for us. 579 00:48:48,553.0563572 --> 00:48:51,42.482711 Pray for, more missionaries to join. 580 00:48:51,72.482711 --> 00:48:53,262.482711 Pray for this place that we want to get. 581 00:48:53,316.0520907 --> 00:48:59,136.0520907 to run as a ministry center and reach out to us if you want to join in somehow or know more about how you could pray. 582 00:48:59,518.1511185 --> 00:49:00,118.1511185 Fantastic. 583 00:49:00,118.1511185 --> 00:49:00,538.1511185 You mind. 584 00:49:00,748.1511185 --> 00:49:04,108.1511185 I, I think this is a great spot for, for us actually just to pray. 585 00:49:04,606.1631375 --> 00:49:09,662.1039679 people are listening and, and I wanna invite those who are listening to, to pray with me right now. 586 00:49:09,662.1039679 --> 00:49:13,202.1039679 And I wanna pray over you, your ministry and over the next generation. 587 00:49:13,202.1039679 --> 00:49:13,712.1039679 And so I. 588 00:49:14,187.1039679 --> 00:49:14,907.1039679 Let's pray together. 589 00:49:14,907.1039679 --> 00:49:17,517.1039679 Father God, I wanna, I wanna thank you for Luke. 590 00:49:17,577.1039679 --> 00:49:18,957.1039679 I wanna thank you for Steger. 591 00:49:19,17.1039679 --> 00:49:28,647.1039679 I wanna thank you for all the other missions organizations that are focused on reaching and discipling the next generation in your name, Jesus. 592 00:49:28,677.1039679 --> 00:49:32,217.1039679 And we thank you for the move that is happening among young people. 593 00:49:32,217.1039679 --> 00:49:37,827.1039679 We recognize it and we asked you, father, that you would give us wisdom and discern and how we are. 594 00:49:38,132.1039679 --> 00:49:40,622.1039679 As your church meant to engage in it. 595 00:49:40,982.1039679 --> 00:49:49,616.0041947 Lord, we pray that you'd continue to stir the, the hearts of young people that you continue to stir the embers of revival renewal among the next generation. 596 00:49:49,616.0041947 --> 00:49:49,646.0041947 I. 597 00:49:49,766.0041947 --> 00:49:55,945.5729679 Lord, we Lift star into your hands as they have a vision to reach a thousand missionaries and train a thousand missionaries. 598 00:49:55,945.5729679 --> 00:50:00,505.5729679 Lord, will you do it in and and go above and beyond? We pray. 599 00:50:00,535.5729679 --> 00:50:05,245.5729679 We pray for their mission station, that they wanna develop a mission ministry center in Poland. 600 00:50:05,245.5729679 --> 00:50:16,435.3336749 Father God, will you raise up the funds? Would you give them the tenacity to see that through? And Father, we just out out of everything, Lord, all of our plans. 601 00:50:16,765.3336749 --> 00:50:19,255.3336749 We set aside for your kingdom and for your purposes. 602 00:50:19,255.3336749 --> 00:50:26,845.3336749 And we invite you, God to to usher in your kingdom and your will and your mighty name we pray. 603 00:50:27,745.3336749 --> 00:50:28,195.3336749 Amen. 604 00:50:28,647.5820283 --> 00:50:29,292.5820283 Thank you, Jason. 605 00:50:29,827.0003416 --> 00:50:40,27.0003416 thank you so much for, for taking the time to, to share with us, sharing your insights, uh, sharing what's going on in youth culture and yeah, we really appreciate it. 606 00:50:40,230.4315511 --> 00:50:45,337.0003416 Personally, I found this valuable and I'm trusting that those who are listening in have found it valuable as well. 607 00:50:45,806.0003416 --> 00:50:46,556.0003416 That's awesome. 608 00:50:46,556.0003416 --> 00:50:54,176.0003416 I really enjoyed sharing and talking to you, Jason, and uh, yeah, I pray that everybody out there would continue being bold for Jesus and let's go. 609 00:50:56,36.1724879 --> 00:51:00,126.1724879 Well, I hope that you enjoyed this episode of the Lausanne Movement Podcast. 610 00:51:00,406.1724879 --> 00:51:06,336.1724879 If you did enjoy the show, I want to encourage you to leave us a rating and review and share it with a friend. 611 00:51:06,824.7950237 --> 00:51:07,624.7950237 Till next week. 612 00:51:07,994.7950237 --> 00:51:08,444.7950237 Cheers.

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