June 9, 2025 • 54 mins
Episode: 00270 Released on June 9, 2025 Description: In this powerful episode of Analyst Talk with Jason Elder, Jason sits down with Amanda Sienkiewicz, the 2024 Civilian of the Year for the Lee County Sheriff's Office. Amanda shares her winding path from marketing graduate with dreams of working for Coca-Cola to becoming a highly respected law enforcement analyst in Florida. With 18 years of experience, Amanda reflects on the surprising turns her career has taken from analyzing financial crimes and tracking sexual predators to solving homicides and providing vital aid during Hurricane Ian.
Amanda recounts three career-defining cases, including identifying a murder victim later found in a freezer and tracing a killer using just a Snapchat handle and a faint clue from 2018. Along the way, she offers insights into the evolving role of analysts, the power of networking, and the value of continuous learning. Whether you're a veteran analyst or just entering the field, Amanda’s story is an inspiring reminder of the impact a determined analyst can have. 🎧 Listen, share, and keep talking! [Note: Description produced by ChatGPT.] Name Drops: Public Service Announcements: Sally Rawlings (https://www.leapodcasts.com/e/sally-rawlings-the-teacher-extraordinaire/) Jaime Lamanna Related Links: https://www.sheriffleefl.org/ https://www.rff.com/ Association(s) Mentioned: Vendor(s) Mentioned: I2, RFFlow Contact: ASienkiewicz@sheriffleefl.org Transcript: https://mcdn.podbean.com/mf/web/xcspfck8hv77af9b/AmandaSienKiewicz_transcript.pdf Podcast Writer: Podcast Researcher: Theme Song: Written and Recorded by The Rough & Tumble. Find more of their music at www.theroughandtumble.com. Logo: Designed by Kyle McMullen. Please visit www.moderntype.com for any printable business forms and planners. Podcast Email: leapodcasts@gmail.com Podcast Webpage: www.leapodcasts.com Podcast Twitter: @leapodcasts
00:00:17 – Introducing Amanda 00:12:36 – Embezzlement 00:16:34 – Sexual Predators 00:19:10 – ABS: Hurricane Ian 00:26:31 – ABS: Find the Freezer Homicide 00:26:31 – Break: Sally Rawlings & Jaime Lamanna 00:33:41 – ABS: Shooting in the Park 00:43:03 – Advice 00:50:38 – Personal Interests: Genealogy 00:53:16 – Words to the World
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Welcome to Analyst Talk with Jason Elder.
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It's like coffee with an analyst,or it could be whiskey with an
analyst reading a spreadsheet,linking crime events, identifying a
series, and getting the latest scoopon association news and training.
So please don't beat that analyst andjoin us as we define the law enforcement
analysis profession one episode at time.
Thank you for joining me.
I hope many aspects ofyour life are progressing.
My name is Jason Elder, and today ourguest has 18 years of law enforcement
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analysis experience with Lee CountySheriff's Office and Collier County
Sheriff's Office, both in Florida.
She holds a certification with the Stateof Florida as a law enforcement analyst.
She also holds a master'sdegree in marketing.
She was recently namedthe civilian of the year.
2024 for Lee County Sheriff's Office.
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Please welcome Amanda Sinkewitz.
Amanda, how we doing?
Doing great.
How are you?
I am doing very well.
So the last name Sincowitz.
I was surprised when I looked up your nameto find out that there's another Sitz,
as an intel analyst from London, Ontario.
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And the first question I asked you whenI emailed you was, are you related?
And the answer is,
we are not as far as I can tell,
I know who would've thunk it?
Two different sitz.
In this profession, maybe I'mbeing a little bit ignorant.
I, I don't feel that Sincowitzis a very popular name.
Would you agree with that
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it is not popular at all.
Okay.
, Just a quick story.
There was a reason you'veactually contacted her.
. Right?
There was a reason to contact her.
I actually needed something out ofher area, and this was years ago.
So I looked up in the directory.
I went to actually go make achange to my own IACA profile.
Mm-hmm.
And saw her name and kind ofkept it in the back of my mind.
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I may need this someday.
Ended up I needed something outof her area and I'm like, hey.
We both share the same last name.
I need your help.
Yes, yes.
But she probably would've helped youregardless, but that is still interesting.
And she was, and she helped you, right?
Oh, definitely.
All right, very good.
Another networking story on theshow, but that one's I, I like
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that one, that one, that one's fun.
'cause I would've thought forsure that you two are related.
If I was a gambling man, Iwould've lost money on that
one.
You would've definitely lost money.
All right, Amanda, we got acouple of things to go over today.
Obviously, as I mentioned inyour intro, you were civilian
of the year for Lee County.
So I want to talk abouthow you got that honor.
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But first, let's not gettoo far ahead of ourselves.
How did you discover the lawenforcement analysis profession?
Kind of a long story.
Pretty funny one at that, my husband methim when I first moved down here in 2004.
To kind of backtrack.
2003. I graduated from Stetson Universitywith a bachelor's degree in marketing
and Dreams to work for Coca-Cola Life.
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Didn't work out that way.
Ended up having a hard time getting a job.
So I ended up having to take the firstjob that was offered to me, which was
offered to me four hours from homewith a home builder down in Fort Myers.
I told 'em, okay, four hours fromhome, do six months and then we'll move
you back up towards the Orlando area.
So I'm like, all right.
Great.
I can do six months.
Very first person that I meet whenI pull my moving truck into my
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apartment complex was my now husbandwho was a law enforcement officer with
the sheriff's office we're at now.
He ended up immediately after I moveddown there moving to a police department.
And to make a long story short, Iended up getting laid off from that
job with the home builder abouttwo years after we moved down here.
Hmm.
So after I get laid off,I'm pretty defeated.
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'cause I had started working onmy master's degree at that point.
Trying to get into the segmentationdepartment of this home builder.
It's about halfway throughmy master's degree.
I told my husband, I said, I don'tknow if I should finish this or
if I should go do something else.
He is like, what about law enforcement?
I'm like, law enforcement, are you crazy?
This is completely opposite fromwhat I want to be doing in life.
I wanna do advertising and you'repushing me towards law enforcement.
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Mm-hmm.
So
I ended up taking a job withHertz because I've never been
without a job a day in my life.
Ended up taking a job withHertz, renting cars at the
airport just for something to do.
One night, the dispatch managerfor the Collier County Sheriff's
Office comes in to rent a car.
I think they were doing an op and theyused to rent their cars through us.
I'm on the phone with one customerhelping her with her order, and I'm
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typing into the computer at the same time.
She asked me, she goes, have youever considered a career dispatch?
And I'm like, no.
I said, but funny you should saythat, because my husband is pushing
me towards going into law enforcement.
So she's like, come sitwith us on Friday night.
It's our busiest night.
See if you like it.
If you like it, then we'll get youpushed through on the hiring process.
So I sat in there on Fridaynight and I hated it.
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And it is, no, no disrespecttowards dispatchers.
I don't know how they do it.
So I told her, I said Iappreciate the opportunity.
This is not for me.
And she's like, well, there'sa analyst position that's open
a district analyst position.
So now I've got my husband telling meto go into law enforcement, and now I've
got her pushing me into this as well.
So I'm like, what the heck?
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Let's give it a shot.
And I ended up getting hired withthe Collier County Sheriff's Office
where I was a district analystfor Im Moley and Golden Gate.
The drive though, was killing us.
It was two hours on the roadone hour each direction.
My position with Lee County Sheriff'sOffice came open, so I, I. Was
literally driving past the Lee CountySheriff's Office on a daily basis
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thinking, oh my gosh, I'm aboutto spend the next hour in traffic.
So I put in for my position at theLee County Sheriff's Office and got
hired into the sexual predator unit.
Ended up spending about seven oreight years in sexual predator unit.
Went out to economic crimes fora couple of years, came back to
sexual predator, went to our intelcenter for a couple of years, and
I've been in homicide since 2022.
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So that's kind of how Iended up in this profession.
Completely opposite of whatI wanted to be doing in life,
but I love every minute of it.
Yeah,, a couple of thoughts onthat., I need to do a. An informal
study on how many analysts arealso married to police officers.
And that correlation, because I
I'm sure it's a lot.
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Yes.
And I, I, I feel, a little badly forpeople that are like doing everything they
can to be an analyst and you just roll inthere and like, Hey, there's this position
over there, this seat that needs filled.
You wanna go fill it?
And they're like, sure.
And you just kind of like totally,literally fall on your lap.
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I know, and I didn't think thatI would love it as much as I do.
I, I'll always have that in the backof my mind of always wanting to work
for Coca-Cola, but if if this wasthe second best thing, then this has
been the best thing that's happened.
Yeah.
Now you, speaking of Coca-Cola,off topic, have you ever gone to
the Coca-Cola Museum up in Atlanta?
Yes, and every time we goto North Carolina, I make my
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husband drive through Atlanta.
Oh.
Through the city.
So that I can just get thatone glimpse of that building.
But yes, I've been tothe Coca-Cola factory.
That is so fun.
I, although I, so for thosethat don't know, and I, I highly
recommend if you're ever in Atlantato go to the Coca-Cola Museum.
When you're done going through all thesight and sounds of the museum, at the
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very end, there is this , large, openroom with fountain drinks everywhere.
By country.
So you get to sample soda popfrom every country, basically.
Not every country, but alot of different countries.
I mean, there's 50 probably there,50 different stations there easily.
Awesome.
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And so you can just go throughand try whatever you want to.
And, and some are bad,some are really terrible.
But , I drank so much that I thinkI started to get diabetes in my
eyes because I started to likenot be able to see too clearly.
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So I knew that was definitelytime for me to stop.
But it is it is, it was a joy to go there.
I really, I really highly recommend it.
So it
is a lot of fun.
Yeah.
So why, I mean, did Coca-Cola justas a kid, or what was the, what
was the attraction to Coca-Cola?
In college, I had to do awork study as part of mm-hmm.
My financial aid package.
And the professor that I hadworked for he had worked for Koch.
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Mm-hmm.
So when I started working for him,he had a, a resume building website
that he worked on part-time and Ihad helped him with that business.
So him and I started talking oneday about Koch and he showed me
all these different advertisingcampaigns that he had worked on.
And just through watching TV andseeing the things that Koch was
doing, it just fascinated me.
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Alright.
Alright.
Very cool.
, Well let's get back to your analyst gig. So you become an analyst . Just take us
back to the first couple days, first week.
What, what do you think of now?
, I had no idea what I was doing.
Mm-hmm.
I had no idea.
I, I would call my husband and be like,I don't even know what this means.
What does this mean?
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And trusting him to not make fun of me,of not knowing what certain things meant.
Yeah, I, I literally knew nothing.
But I had some great people thatkinda helped me along the way and I'm
the type of person, I'm not afraidto ask questions if I don't know
how to do something I'll, I'll tellyou, I don't know what I'm doing.
But just having him by my sideand helping me out, it, it really
helped make those first couple ofweeks and months a lot smoother.
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Okay.
And then so what was the, some of thethings that they were asking you to do?
Well, I was in the sexual predator unitwhen I first started here, so I did a lot
of things of like analyzing the crimesthat these sexual predators had committed.
Looking for different traits trying toconnect crimes together keeping track
of where they were living, dealing withthe general public, stuff like that.
So it was a good way to kindof get my feet wet into this
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position into this field actually.
So it wasn't a lot of likeanalysis that I had to do.
It was more like maintainingthe files and stuff.
Okay.
And then the position came open ineconomic crimes and that's really where
I felt that I kind of took off and.
Really started feelingmore like an analyst.
That was a fun position.
Yeah.
So so with that, in terms of the datayou're analyzing, as you mentioned
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there was a lot of record upkeep, butthis is this is 2008, 2009 timeframes.
So what kind of data are do youhave at your disposal at this time?
We had started compiling and orderingthe case reports on our sex offenders.
Mm-hmm.
We wanted to know what kind of crimesthey were committing, who are they
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victimizing so that we knew what kindof offenders we were dealing with.
So in that position, I really kindof learned a lot about their human
behavior and just by talking to themtoo, of learning their ways and why
they did what they did and how they got.
Access to their victims.
So I learned a lot in the aspect of that,but it wasn't a lot of analytical work.
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Hmm.
It wasn't a lot of like analyzing crimesthat were happening on our streets.
It was more of how do weprevent these guys and these,
these women from doing this?
Again?
How do we protect our children?
Gotcha.
Okay.
And I didn't mention this in yourintro, but you also have a bachelor's in
business administration and marketing.
So the, the economic position shouldhave felt a little bit at home for you?
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It did.
I, I loved finance and numbersand all that other stuff.
So when I got out into economic crimes, Iwas assigned to the major economic crimes.
So we're talking your embezzlement cases.
Mm-hmm.
Ripping off of the employers.
Just those big money casesthat you read about on the.
On the internet.
Yeah.
So I kind of got to use my littlefinancial background in doing that.
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Yeah.
So, and that gets into obviouslyaccounting and number crunching it.
It does seem like that is not, and youcan correct me if you think I'm wrong,
in terms of all the different hats thata law enforcement analyst can wear at a
police department, when it comes to that.
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Kind of financial analysis,that's not usually something that
too many people just get throwninto like all the other stuff.
There's a lot of different hats.
You just whack-a-mole, whatevercomes up, whatever issue comes
up, just give the, to the analyst,let them analyze the data and go.
But it, it isn't too much that Iremember people telling me that.
I was like, yeah, I just got thisfinancial crime handed to me.
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And they said, go, like that seems likeit takes a little bit more of a training,
a little bit more of an expertise.
Oh, definitely.
I mean, all of our crimes atsome point have some sort of
financial benefit for somebody.
Mm-hmm.
But when you start getting into thosebig money and you don't think that it
happens as much as it does until youget into a position like that and then
you realize, you're like, oh my gosh.
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There are people that are ripping offtheir employers for millions of dollars.
I know one of the.
Big case.
The biggest case I ever worked whenI was out in economic crimes was a
farmer who, his long-term employee,she had been there 23 years I believe,
and he had me stop at $1.5 millionthat she had embezzled from him.
He says, I don't want toknow how far this goes.
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So I remember sitting with thedetective with the victim and I told
the, or I told the victim, I said,please, I said, let me go back and
figure out when all of this started.
And he goes, no, stop.
He goes, I don't want toknow how far this goes.
We ended up getting full restitution.
Not that she's gonna be able to ever payback that $1.5 million, but it was just
so crazy to me how you could be missing$1.5 million from somebody that you've
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trusted with your business for that long.
Yeah.
So when you say go back, that $5 million,how far had you gone back by that point?
How many years was that?
I think we went back abouteight, eight or nine years.
I think we went back.
Okay.
She started it out slow, just.
Check her here, check there.
And then as she kind of started gettingaway with it, it started picking up
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a little bit more, a little bit moreuntil it was so outta control that he
had picked up on what was happening.
Wow.
Wow.
So what was she doing exactly?
She was taking the checks that weremeant for the business and she would
take the smaller dollared ones.
Mm-hmm.
And she was depositing themstraight into her account.
Oh, no checks, no.
Nobody was checking any of this.
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And it was small amounts, thingsthat nobody would really have
noticed until the end when itstarted becoming so out of control.
We were so amazed that she was ableto just take these checks and put
them straight into her account andnobody ever even picked up on it.
Well, was she the personthat did all the deposits?
Like if no one else was looking for it?
If she's the only one that doingit that wouldn't, she was the sole
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person responsible for all the financial
man.
So that's
how she was able to get, getaway with it for so long.
Yeah.
But it also makes me thinkthat, I grew up on a farm.
I know a lot of farmersin rural Pennsylvania that
that's not a rich business.
That's not something that most farmerscan just have, even small checks can.
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Mm-hmm.
They can't go with missing small checks.
So he must be, not, not that Iam , with the fender or anything,
but he must be doing pretty well notto have missed even small checks.
Yeah.
He was doing very well.
So more, it was surprising how well hewas doing compared to just doing farming.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Maybe, maybe he's doingsomething s slidey too.
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That's our thought.
He was like, Hey let's let's quitwhere we're ahead here before you find
something I don't want you to find.
Right.
Oh, man.
So how, how long wereyou with the economics?
Two economic crisis?
Two years.
Yeah.
And where do you go from there?
I went back to sexualpredator for a few years.
Okay.
All right.
And , what went into that decision?
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It was a lot to do withwhen I had my daughter.
Okay.
Just the gravity of dealing with thesexual predator unit, having a new baby.
I needed a change.
Yeah.
Okay.
So, oh, so you, you, and that's the reasonyou went to economics or that was the
reason where you went back to, to That
was the reason I went to economic crimes.
Okay.
We actually, me and theanalyst that was in.
That took my position.
Mm-hmm.
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We flip flopped, so she came.
Oh, okay.
Out to my position, Icame back to my old one.
Oh, okay.
And what's that analyst name?
Her name was Casey.
Okay.
Is Casey still there?
Yep.
She's moved on to crime scene though.
Oh, crime scenes.
All right, man.
But she's making us lookbad and I don't like it.
I don't like the law enforcement analystto get associated with crime scene.
'cause then everybody thinks we're CSI.
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I know,
I know.
But no good for Casey.
All right.
, So when you come back to , the sexoffender, and so that's, you're getting
into, we're like 2012 range, right?
It's right around that,that time, give or take.
I guess when you come back, what aresome of the things you established or
what, what, what maybe has changed?
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I kind of picked up rightexactly where I had left off.
Mm-hmm.
I had already known what I was doingwith the job, so it was a real easy
transition back into my position.
It was just unfortunately having moreoffenders to deal with law changes
and just having to figure out whathas changed since then since I left.
But it was all, a lot of thesame stuff I was doing before.
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Hmm.
So then, I guess, what, whatare some of the changes you've
seen over the last decade?
With, you mentioned there's more of'em, obviously the, the number has gone
on, laws have changed, but is therecertain patterns or certain trends
that you've seen over the last decade?
I think the biggest change has justbeen how these sexual offenders
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get access to their victims.
Mm-hmm.
Now with social media and all of thesekids being on social media and having
these different social platforms andunfortunately sometimes if you're
not watching your children, they getcaught up with people like that, so.
Mm-hmm.
I've seen it more now go towardsthe online portion of offending.
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Yeah.
It is so different 'cause Right, bebefore , most of the time you had
to be in the same physical spot.
Right.
Right.
That was, that was usually the thing.
Now you can don't even haveto, the, the victim doesn't
even have to leave the house.
Right, right.
To be a victim.
So it is a lot.
But I also feel that the schools andpublic service announcements, I mean,
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they've, they've tried their best to getthe word out on the dangers of Right.
Of, of that.
Do you feel, do you, obviously you'rein business, so it's not 100%, so
it's not convincing everybody, butdo you feel that that's sufficient?
Or maybe what would, whatwould you like to see changed
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in terms of, in terms of that?
I think parents just need to bemore aware of what's out there.
Mm-hmm.
I mean, we can preach toour children all we want.
But I think it's the parents that theyneed to understand what's out there and
that not everybody has good intentions andkids, they think that they're invincible
and that's never gonna happen to me.
And then it happens.
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And yeah, you want your kids to be ableto be open and understand that this is
what's happening, we need to stop this.
So I think parents just need tobe aware of what's out there.
. So you eventually makeit to homicide unit.
And this is where we get your firstof three analyst badge stories.
And for those that may be newto the show, the analyst badge
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story is a career defining caseor project that a analyst works.
And so here it's 2022and we're in Florida.
And maybe most people don't, in,in listening in this country.
Don't remember Hurricane Ian, butobviously those folks that were
in the southern portion of Floridaremember Ian and its destruction.
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So you are and you are dealingwith this and just tell us the
story of, what happened with you.
So Hurricane Ian was not supposedto originally hit our area.
It was supposed to go up towards the Tampaarea, but at the last minute it made a
hard turn and headed straight for us.
So, as most Floridians know, youdo not want to deal with putting
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up hurricane shutters and gettingyour property ready until you know
that this thing is about to hit.
So we had hours to start gettingeverything ready and we're always prepared
for hurricanes down here as it is.
But we get hit byHurricane Ian and take it.
Where I live in Fort Myers,we took a direct hit.
The eye never even passedover us, so we took about.
A whole day is worth of just pounding.
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After the hurricane passed over, Iremember calling my dad and I told him, I
said, when is this eye gonna pass over us?
And he goes, it should beright on top of you right now.
And I said, dad, I said, my treesare bending in the front yard.
So the eye passed just a littlebit to the north of us and
then we lost cell reception.
So they got some mobile cell towersset up and I reported into work.
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And unfortunately that's when I foundout that we had had numerous fatalities
of our coastal Fort Myers Beach area.
And the destruction kind of lastedfor us from Fort Myers Beach all
the way up our coast to Sanibeland then Bolea and Pine Island.
So we had several fatalities.
I came in and started helpingwith identifying our decedents.
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Part of my job is once wegot them identified, was to.
Try and locate their next of kin.
And what I ended up doing on onecase is to help the detectives out
who are out helping collect thedeceased and get them to the medical
examiner's office is I would fillout the teletype request for them.
I would contact the agency getthe or I number and get that.
Processed into place.
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I contacted a sheriff's office outin Washington state and I asked the
dispatcher that answered the phone,I identified myself, told her We need
to do a next of kin notification.
Can I have your ORI number so thatI can send this teletype out to you?
She asks me if the next of kinnotification was in reference to,
and she gives this person's name.
I start scrambling because I think,oh no, I have already contacted this
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department, probably already done thenotification, and I start panicking.
So there's this long pause on theend of the, the end of the phone,
and she goes, that's my dad.
So I have an instant moment ofpanic because now I do not know what
to do because nobody had ever hadnotified her yet that her father
had passed away in our jurisdiction.
So I talked to her andI tell her I'm so sorry.
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I said, I have neverhad to do this before.
I have never had to make anext of kin notification.
So she asks a whole bunch ofquestions and both her and I by
the end of the conversation orin tears with each other because.
At that point, you know all themillions of people in the world out
there, and I pick up the phone and Italk to the one person on the planet.
That we were trying to get ahold of,and nobody ever prepares you for having
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to give somebody the worst news thatthey're about to receive of their life.
So it just kind of,afterwards I sat there.
I, I remember my lieutenant sitting nextto me and I grabbed his arm because I
didn't know what to do, and he kind oftalked me through as to what to tell her.
But I'll never forget her for as longas I live, because of what I had to
tell her and how I got thrust intothat situation of doing something
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that I had never had to do before.
Yeah.
I was just talking about how analystswear a lot of different hats.
It's things come up and theanalyst gets plugged , to fill
a need on a variety of stuff.
And I never, I, I work for Vanderbilt now.
I, that doesn't happen.
Like, I don't get, Idon't get randomly pulled.
I mean, if it's a data thing is aone-off thing that's has to do with data.
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Yeah.
But it's not like I'm oh, go startmaking phone calls to, to that or just.
Doing different, justwhat you're talking about.
So it, it again, it just, the, the tollthat it takes, because that's obviously
not something you imagined you weredoing when you woke up that morning.
No, no, but I think about herfrom time to time and I think.
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Hopefully that is the first andthe last time that I ever have to
make a next of kin notification.
But
yeah, yeah, I think about her a lot.
Yeah.
It also, it is one thing that I,that I find unnerving as well.
Now you talked about cell phone.
Cell phones went out.
That was, that happenedwith Michael in 2018 here.
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And that was way worse for me than beingwithout electricity, not having cell phone
for, I think it was about 36 hours here.
It was way unnerving because I couldn'treally contact anybody to let 'em
know that we were okay type of thing.
And we
didn't have water orpower for three weeks.
I think out of no cell phone,no water, and no power.
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The two things that I missed themost was having access to water.
Then my cell phone, because I hadfamily that kept trying to get ahold
of us that couldn't get ahold of usbecause we had no cell reception.
So thankfully I had a work cell phoneand I was able to contact everybody
to let 'em know, Hey, we're okay.
But
yeah, not everybody can do that.
But I mean, and that, that gets dangeroustoo, because what happens is, is people
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don't hear from relatives, so thenthey physically go out to see them.
Mm-hmm.
To make sure that they're okay.
So that means you have more people outon the roads in a dangerous situation
when they shouldn't be out there.
Right.
So.
It's a really unnerving time and,and man, three weeks without water.
Ooh.
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Yeah, man.
Yeah, I, I do remember that becausethat was, that was the one I thought
was I live here in Tallahassee.
That was the one I thoughtall the spaghetti diagrams
had it heading and Right.
Most of the spaghettis spaghettipieces had it gone pretty close to us,
and I think there was only one thatdiverted off east, and that was the one
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that path that it did end up taking.
Yeah.
So it was obviously an unexpected turnthat that took, but man,, , that is a lot.
And that is, that is heavy.
Now, , did you go through anycounseling or anything after that, or
how did, how did you deal with it inthe, in the coming days after that?
Well unfortunately, we were working15, 16 hour days, so mm-hmm.
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You kind of had to mm-hmm.
Unfortunately, move on to the next.
And I don't mean that in a disrespectto any, any of the deceased Yeah.
But once it was all over, I rememberwe just kind of all sat here and it
was like we had to process everythingthat we had just gone through.
And luckily my husband beinga, a cop, he understood.
So I remember I got home, Itook a day off and mm-hmm.
I, I just didn't do anything.
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And yeah there's still sometimes where I'll be driving
down the road and I'll remember.
I can still rattle off namesof these victims, so that kind
of stuck with me a little bit.
Yeah.
But
yeah.
Hmm, man.
All right, well there's notreally a good way to segue
that, so we're just gonna do it.
We're just gonna segue andto your second bad story.
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And as I mentioned you, youwere transferred to homicide.
So this is a homicide case?
Yes.
And we're 2023.
Yeah.
August of 2023.
We had received a call forservice and there's kind of
three main players in this case.
It's a grandfather, his son, andthen I'll call him his grandson.
Mm-hmm.
So August of 2023, we get a call forservice in reference to a missing person.
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The grandfather had called into ourdispatch center saying that he was
having trouble getting ahold of hisson and he had told his grandson he
had until Monday to put his fatheron the phone or he was gonna call
the Lee County Sheriff's Office.
Monday came, grandson stilldidn't give him access to his son.
So we called us, we end up going outonto, into the missing person's house.
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Hold on.
I'm like getting tripped up on my words.
We end up going out to the houseand find out that the grandson
starts giving us some storiesabout, he's out freedom fighting.
He's out traveling in Montana, he'sdoing some stuff in other countries.
So red flags immediately start going up.
Mm-hmm.
One of the detectives calledthe missing person's phone and
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heard it ringing in the house.
So we're like, okay, we'vegot these wild stories.
Now we've got the victim's phone here.
What's next to the phone?
The victim's wallet.
So we're thinking he's out doingall of this traveling without
his cell phone and his wallet.
The detectives back out and theyget a search warrant for the house.
They go in, do the search warrant grabthe grandson, bring him down here.
Start interviewing him.
Grandson doesn't want us to gointo one bedroom of the house.
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So the detectives get into thatroom and it's just floor to ceiling,
wall to wall of food supplieskind of like doomsday prepping.
Mm-hmm.
Whole bunch of things, butit was floor to ceiling.
Wall to wall.
Grandson starts coming down hereand he gives us his cell phone.
We look into the victim's cell phone,find out that the story about him out,
freedom, fighting, and taking trips intoMontana is not at all what is happening.
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So I start going through the grandson'scell phone and we find out that
he had purchased a freezer from.
I believe it was Home Depot,which was immediately returned
within like an hour or so.
He ends up buying a biggerfreezer from Lowe's and has
that one delivered to the house.
So we're looking around this houseand we don't see a freezer of
this size anywhere in this house.
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Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
So I continued going through thephone and there was a text message
that the grandson had received froma friend of his in the middle of
the Everglades with a flatbed truck.
So I tell the detective on thecase, I said, Hey, there's this
video, here's the coordinates.
This is really weird.
I don't know, because there's no context.
There was no text messagethat went with mm-hmm.
The video.
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It was just this video of him drivingdown a back road of the Everglades.
So up in the helicopter we go andwe start flying the Everglades
down to these coordinates.
And we are just circling trying tofind a freezer in the middle of the
Everglades, which if anybody's ever beento the Everglades, as to how expansive.
The Everglades are, once you areup in a helicopter, it's just
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for as far as the eye can see.
So we circle for a few hoursand then realize that we're
not finding what we're needing.
We need to come back and regroup.
So we come back to the office andI start compiling the financial
records of our missing person.
And I start seeing, he wasa very religious person.
So I start seeing things like purchasesat bars, purchases at for adult sites.
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Things that he wouldhave never partaked in.
Well, didn't, at least until thatpoint you, there was a point in a
direct point in time when all ofa sudden you see these, these very
different types of purchases come up.
Right.
We start seeing a. Definitechange in behavior.
Mm-hmm.
I mean, before that it was all, everythingthat he was looking up was about religion
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and all of a sudden it switches overand he's looking up things on OnlyFans.
Mm-hmm.
That was a clue.
So the detective ends up getting anothersearch warrant for the house and the
whole unit responds out there and we startpulling all of these supplies out one by
one and assembly lining it out the door.
And we're just everywhere.
We can stick these suppliesand underneath was a freezer.
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That we were looking for unfortunatelywith his body inside of it.
Oh.
But that was a case where it waslike you start getting thrusted
into different things that youdidn't need, didn't necessarily know
that you were going to have to do.
So I had to lean a lot on mybackground in economic crimes
and going through cell phones.
And ultimately thankfully weended up finding him and he's
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gonna be spending a substantialamount of time in prison for it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So, and even again, it just makesme one again, the, the amount
of different things an analystscan get themselves involved in.
The I'm there in a helicopter lookingdown for, for this ginormous freezer
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in the Everglades is, is definitely notsomething that a typical analyst does.
No, I think if you would've told me incollege that someday I was going to be up
looking for a freezer in the Everglades,I would've told you that you were crazy.
So do you know what his plan was?
I mean, I, I'm a little shocked thathe didn't just try to remove the body.
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, Because he had to know that the policewere onto him by that point in time,
and the fact that he didn't try tomove the body after the first search
warrant seems a little surprising.
I don't think that heknew what to do with it.
I think he knew that that point thatwe were watching him, and luckily he
had a warrant out of another state.
So we were able to get him incustody, so we didn't have that
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opportunity to move it, but
Oh, okay.
The detective asked himlike, what was your plan?
He had no plan.
Yeah.
And this had gone on for a couple ofweeks by the time that we realized
that he had been killed betweenwhen we actually received the call
for service was a couple of weeks.
So he had a couple of weeksto do something with it.
And thankfully looking back,he didn't do anything with it
because we were able to give Yeah.
(32:24):
The, the missing personback to his family.
Mm-hmm.
He had no plan.
Yeah.
Hmm.
, Did he explain like what this wasover why he killed his father?
He said that his father had asked for it.
He wanted to commit suicide,but couldn't bring himself to do
it, which was not true at all.
Oh, okay.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
But that was a fun caseto get involved in.
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I mean, it's as sad asit is, it was still Yeah.
We found the, found the good parts of it.
Yeah.
No, I do again, like the aspect offollowing the cell phone and , the search
history and the, the freezer to put a,to even put you on track of the freezer.
'cause I feel, I feel that'sa big part of that case.
Even, even though it eventuallyled you down to the helicopters
(33:08):
and have helicopter searchthat didn't, wasn't fruitful.
I do feel that had you not hadthat bit of information about a
freezer, it just, there's so manyoptions of where the body could be.
Right.
We probably
had it not been for that him using his owncell phone to do this freezer purchase.
(33:28):
I would hope that wewould've found him someday.
But it gets back to the thing, it'slike just going through the cell phone
and looking at every single littlepiece of information in that phone.
Of how we were able toend up recovering him.
Hi, this is Sally Rawlings and I'm curiousif other people have the same experience.
(33:52):
You get on an airplane to travel somewhereand the person sitting next to you
says, oh, what do you do for a living?
And you say, crime analysis.
And they go, ah, I love CSI.
I watch all the shows.
I almost did it, but then I didn't.
So then you debate.
Do I correct him or doI just roll with it?
I've gotten to the point now I go, yep.
CSI is awesome.
(34:13):
This is Jamie Lamana here to tellyou that not all cop shows are real.
So please don't ask your crime analystfriend why they're doing this on the show.
They don't know.
, Let's move on to the third case then.
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And as I mentioned, in yourintro, this case earned you the
civilian of the year award in 2024.
So just, I'll just open the door andjust, you can tell me all about this case.
Yeah, I actually got civilian of thequarter for the end of 2024 and then ended
up getting civilian of the year over it.
So this case was a lotof, a lot of work for us.
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But they all, all the detectivessay, I made it look easy, but
I guess that's part of being ananalyst is you make it look so easy.
Yeah.
But in June of 2024, wereceived a call at a park.
It was a, it's a nice public park.
People walk, their dogs, taketheir kids of a shooting.
Ended up being thehomicide of a young man.
Who we had no idea why he waseven in the park at that point.
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We had spoken with hisfiance or his girlfriend.
She didn't know why he was in thepark, so we had no idea if he was
meeting somebody, who he was meeting,what he was even doing there.
We get his cell phone and I startgoing through the phone line by
line, and I noticed in the lastcouple of hours of his life is what
I really focused on to begin with.
I noticed that he was having a Snapchatconversation with a person who had.
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A Snapchat handle.
So I take that Snapchat handle,copy it save it for later.
'cause I know I'm going toneed this at some point.
And I start lookingback in the cell phone.
And for some reason there was alarge gap in time between a entry, I
think it was in 2018, skipped a bunchof years to this conversation that
they were having at present time.
Well, back in 2018, for some reason,he had sent an address to our victim.
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So I pull up the addressand I'm like, you know what?
I'm gonna get a list of the residents thatlived in this unit back around this time.
So I pull it and of course it comesback with hundreds of names that
lived in this apartment complex.
It ended up coming down to three lettersthat matched from what our Snapchat
handle was to a resident's name thatused that apartment back in 2018.
(36:26):
So I start looking into it andthe avatar that he had on Snapchat
looked like it would've been a.Cartoon version of what he looked
like on his driver's license photo.
Mm-hmm.
So I take that and now weneed a, a cell phone number.
So I take that name and I startrunning it through all the various
different law enforcement databasesthat we have access to, his analyst.
(36:46):
And I end up finding a phone numberthat he used in an old police report.
And it was the only time that he had everused that phone number that we could find.
Well, now we're trying to put himdown in this area because everything
that I'm finding shows that he is in.
A different part of our county andhad no reason to be down that way.
So we take that phone number we endup getting a warrant for the trap and
(37:07):
trace on that phone, end up finding him.
And he lives in the apartment complexjust to the north of this park.
So it was cool because I took whatwas just an avatar name or on our
avatar picture and a Snapchat name,ended up finding an address, which
gave me a name and a date of birth.
And we ended up getting our suspectin custody within about two days.
So it went from a basic who'ddone it, homicide into we got, had
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somebody in custody two days later.
Yeah.
So back to when you'relooking for the address.
And you get all the names back Ofthe people that lived there, you
said it came down to three letters.
Was that his initials or what,what were those three letters?
It was the first threeletters of his name.
I knew that his Snapchat name.
(37:51):
'cause when you're looking at things,people tend to use some variation
of their name in their mm-hmm.
Social media handles.
So I either knew that the firstthree letters or the last couple
of letters were part of his name.
So I started looking for differentvariations of those letters.
And that's what ended up, I found that thefirst three letters of his name matched
the resident that lived at that apartment.
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I don't think it was thatexact unit, but it was at that
apartment complex back in 2018.
So then I was like, okay, well let mestart running down this rabbit hole.
And that ended up being therabbit hole that identified him.
And so what, you talked about agap in their conversation there.
, Were they former loversor something like that?
Or had had a falling out or justwhat, what was the reason for the gap?
(38:35):
I think they went to I don'tremember how their worlds ended
up colliding back in 2018.
I don't remember if theywere friends in high school.
Mm-hmm.
But at some point back in 2018, theyhad had some interaction with each
other and unfortunately this endedup being a homicide over drugs.
So I don't know if maybe he wasbuying from him back in 2018, but
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that one piece of information.
And we still to this day don't understandwhy there was such a large gap in time
between when they first communicated backin 18 and why that he was even still.
A part of his phone because hehad gotten a new phone since 2018.
So we don't know ifmaybe it was backed up.
Thankfully whatever happened causedthat information to transfer to his
new cell phone because that ended upbeing the one piece of information
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that kind of broke this case openwas one address back in 2018.
I, I agree with the officers.
You did make that look easy, but Imean, you essentially solved that case.
Yeah, I mean, I'm not one to liketake credit for things, but I was
definitely in the past couple of weekshave been told that take the spotlight.
(39:39):
Yeah, no, that's super cool though.
I mean it, I I get it, I get it.
I, you're humble and, and everything else.
We're all, I think a little uncomfortablewith the spotlight, but that is.
That is something where you nowseeing it from this point of view,
you telling me the story, I cansee the line, I can see the path.
(40:00):
But when you're living it, you,you have no idea what you're going
to uncover as you're going throughthese different stops and Right.
Going through all these, all thesedifferent searches and going through
all these different rabbit holesas you mentioned, and you end up
going down the, the right rabbithole again and, and again and again.
Until the, until the person's identified.
(40:21):
Right.
I mean, I think I would like to saythat this case would've been solved
after search warrant, after searchwarrant, after search warrant.
But to have this case solved, which withinhour, the first couple of hours after the
homicide to having somebody in custodytwo days later, it was pretty amazing.
And that's why I'm a big, I'm a bigproponent of getting your analysts
(40:42):
involved in your cases, makingsure that they know everything you
can't piece information to them andexpect them to put a case together
for you because that one tiny pieceof information is something that it
could be what blows your case open.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And I always had troublegoing the opposite direction.
Right.
There was stuff that I would find outthat I'm like, this doesn't mean anything
(41:03):
to me, but it may mean something toyou, the investigator that you've seen.
Right.
Yeah.
And it's, it's, it does get a littlebit what to share and what not to share.
But its, and it's
all about communicating.
I mean, I will, I'll tell mydetectives everything that I
find, they do the same with me.
Mm-hmm.
Telling me everything that they know.
So it really is a team effort.
(41:23):
Yeah.
And that's what I tell my guysafter I got this award, I said,
this wasn't a singular effort.
I was, I was able to find you a name.
You guys went out andgot him in custody, so,
yeah.
Wow.
But that is great.
, Do you feel, and I don't your position,you're an investigative analyst, so you're
obviously assigned there in homicide,you are the analyst there for the unit.
(41:47):
, Do you feel that you're doing stuffthat, the investigator or detective
can do, but either isn't very goodat it or doesn't wanna be doing it?
, They rather be outside the officeand you're doing what they could be
doing, but it's more inside the officeand I, I don't mean I, I, I hope I'm
not trying to be derogatory, I'm justtrying to get a gauge of how you feel
(42:11):
the position is from your perspective.
Yeah, I feel like it's definitelyI have as analysts and I,
I've used this example with.
Analysts that are justcoming into this profession.
I think as detectives and cops,they're kind of trained to think inside
these parameters, inside these boxes.
This is what I need, this is how I get it.
Mm-hmm.
I think as analysts, we'rekind of need to be trained.
(42:31):
They think in this box, we need to thinkoutside of it, and then we need to come
together so they have their specific tasksand their procedures and their search
warrant, ways that they need to do things.
We need to figure out how we canget the information that they need.
As is so that we can getsome closure for these cases.
So yeah, I definitely feel thatthere's things that I love to work on.
(42:52):
There's things that Idon't like to work on.
There's things that the detectivesthat they could be doing, but if I can
do it better and it turns out for ourcases a lot better, let me handle it.
Yeah.
Very good.
All right, well you are a mentor, so thank you for doing that.
That's it's always nice passing downknowledge to the next generation.
And so just bodes wellfor the advice section.
(43:14):
So , what advice do youhave for our listeners?
My biggest piece of advice is takeas much free training as you can.
Mm-hmm.
There are so many classes outthere that are absolutely free.
It takes up maybe a couple of hoursof your time or you may have to sit
through a training and then a littlebit of a product demo, but sign up for
as free, as much free stuff as you can.
(43:35):
There are so many classes that I've takenthat as a free means that I have felt I.
I would've paid for that
training.
And
then there's classesthat we've paid for that.
I'm like, yeah, thatcould have been a webinar.
Yeah.
But just there's so many different things.
And take classes on things that youdon't think that you're going to
need, because you never know There'sgoing to be that one case that you're
like, man, I didn't think I'd everhave to be doing this, but here I am
(43:58):
now I need to use, put it into play.
Yeah.
So I think my biggest thing is justtake as much training as you can.
Yeah.
What was that training you weretelling me about in the prep call
where it was free, it was four hoursand it was definitely worth the time.
Oh, it was, I think hands down, oneof the best classes I have ever taken.
It was put on I think itwas by the DEA in Miami.
I went over for a four hour classand it was on photo locating where a
(44:22):
photo was taken without any metadata.
So he taught us how to look in thebackgrounds of photos and start to pick
out things and how to use Google Lensand use all these different tools to
figure out where a photo was taken.
And since.
I've taken that class, I've actuallyhad to do that in two different cases
of figuring out exactly where somebodywas when they took a photo, because
(44:46):
there wasn't that metadata that Icould just pop into a Google search and
figure out where the photo was taken.
So yeah, that was a free classthat I would've definitely paid
probably a lot of money for.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And for the listeners, if there isa free training that you went to
and thought it was well worth yourtime and effort, we have a comment
down below and, and let us know.
(45:06):
They have so many good trainings.
I've tried taking, I have tofinish it, but doing the analyst
notebook training because thatprogram is, is not user friendly.
Yeah.
I was at the Carolina Crime AnalysisAssociation conference and I, too was
there, and it's funny, I don't rememberseeing them a lot at other conferences.
(45:27):
Mm-hmm.
And, I went to them, I said, I, I said,I haven't used your program in 15 years.
Tell me what's happened since, since then.
And, and they were kindenough to me to show it.
So , it is a powerful program,but it does seem like it needs,
I don't know what it needs, it needsan analyst that does this job to
(45:47):
tell them what they're doing wrong.
I mean, I love, I use it two all the time.
Like one of my favorite things towork on is link charts and timelines.
Mm-hmm.
And kind of trying to figure out what itis that I want to do and how to do it.
It just needs an overhaulof just user friendly.
Yeah.
Now I, and one of the things, Idid ask them this, 'cause one of
the, it was the same pet peevethat that I had when I used it.
(46:08):
When you do timelines, youcan't stack the timelines.
Mm-hmm.
Right?
It has to be linear, one line.
And I always felt that that wasn'tconducive to either printing on a
plotter or even being on the screen.
Is that I would like to just stack them.
Maybe by year, like year one, yeartwo, year 3, 1, 2, 3, stacked on top of
(46:31):
each other and tell the story that way.
And they still haven't, gotten tothe point where you could do that.
I know, and
it's funny that you say that becausethat was my biggest complaint in that.
Case with the guy in the freezer is, I hadso much data with financial transactions
that my link chart was if I would'veprinted it, it would've been a mile long.
(46:51):
Sure.
And I kept looking in there, I'm like,there has to be a way to break this
so that I can break this line so thatit continues onto the next, and there
wasn't, so what I ended up having todo was figure out where there was good
breaks and then just create new chartsand then sketch 'em all together.
So
yeah, there used to be a$50 program called RFFlow.
I have that.
(47:11):
Do you, is it still around thatprogram would allow you to do it?
Like it was, it was really cool.
I don't know.
I should get, I should try to find thosepeople that created that software because.
It for being a mom and pop $50 program.
It was awesome.
Oh, it's amazing.
I actually have the CD that tellsyou how old this program was.
(47:36):
We actually got a CD copy of it whenwe graduated from the Analyst Academy,
so I have held onto that and if I can'tfigure it out and I too, or if it's just
something real simple that I need to dosome quick link chart in, I'll use RFFlow.
But yeah, yeah, I still have it on cd.
That is so funny.
Oh my gosh.
Yeah.
That was that was you just talkedabout going to getting free training.
(47:57):
There was a time where you wentout and got free software, right.
You just got software, whatever youneeded to be able to do the job . And
I'm sure there's still a little bitof that going on, but RF Flow is
one of those ones that was like,wow, this is, this is really useful.
I wish, I wish I too, was ableto do some of the things that you
could do in RF flow type of thing.
(48:18):
Yeah.
And I've used Vizio a couple of times.
Okay.
Vizio is not the greatest Imy go-to though is RFFlow.
Yeah.
It's just so much easier.
All right, was there anythingelse that you wanted to advise on?
Yeah.
I think my other piece ofadvice is just to network.
When you're, I know we don't often,as analysts, we don't get a lot
of money for the training budget.
That's why I'm a big believerin getting as much free training
(48:40):
as you can ask for those.
I. At the end of the class, ask for thosecontact lists because you never know when
you're gonna need something outta somebodyelse's agency or somebody's going to have
an expertise in something that now you'regonna need to do for one of your cases.
But my other biggest piece of adviceis to network and ask questions.
I've never come across an analystthat wasn't willing to help.
(49:00):
If I'm not understanding something orI'm not quite understanding how something
works, I know that analysts can be someof the most helpful people out there.
They all, we all have the same goal.
We need to help our detectivesas much as possible.
All right.
Speaking of networking a greatnetworking opportunity is going through
the fleet program, which you did.
I mentioned in your intro that youare certified with the state of
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Florida as a law enforcement analyst.
Looking back now at the program just whatis your take about the fleet program?
Yeah, I went through, in 2008,I got my law enforcement analyst
certification through the FloridaDepartment of Law Enforcement.
And it taught me things that I hadn't atthat time I was such a new analyst, which
is why my department decided to send me isbecause I hadn't had any experience barely
(49:45):
had any experience in being an analyst.
So I still to this day talk to allthese years later, I still talk to my
classmates and I've needed things fromtheir departments and just to kind
of catch up and see how we're doing.
Yeah, I think that's one ofthe biggest gifts that you get.
From that program is you have that cohortthat you mentioned of all across the state
(50:08):
now of people that you worked with overthe time of the training, got to know.
And any time that you, you need somethingfrom that given area, you now know
somebody in that area most likely.
Yeah.
And that's the hard part too, is likeknowing that you need something out of a
certain department and not having anybody.
Mm-hmm.
So if you've got that connectionof like, Hey, do you remember
(50:30):
when we took this class togetherof having that, that connection
of Yeah, I remember who you were.
Yeah.
How can I help you?
All right, well let's finishup with personal interest then.
And you are currentlyfinding out your family tree.
You were doing genealogy studies?
My dad and I started this a few years ago.
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We kind of started it, setit aside, picked it up.
Mm-hmm.
Set it aside.
Ran into some roadblocks, but it'sbeen so fun learning the things that
I've learned about my dad's side ofthe family, we started with my dad's.
Mm-hmm.
Next we wanna work on my mom's,but even how genealogy and how
that has taught me a lot about lawenforcement as well, and now learning
how I can go and get used all thesedifferent records to get what I need.
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So yeah, I'm a, I'm apart-time amateur genealogist.
All right.
So how far back have yougone on your dad's side?
We've gone back about six or sevengenerations and this is where we've
hit the roadblock, so, mm-hmm.
I'm trying to get past this roadblock,but we've learned a lot like family
stories of things that my dad was toldas a child that ended up not being.
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Entirely true.
Something embellished a littlebit, but we've, we've found
out some really cool things.
Yeah.
It, to me, it, it just gets maddeningwhen, when you get up to like
16 different paths, like Right.
Like you go for and it's just, man, it,it just, there's so much when someone
says they're the great, great, greatgrandfather of, or grandchild of so
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and so, and I'm like, man, well that'sa, that's a, that's a lot of people.
I mean, it just, it gets blurry quickand as, as far as I'm concerned, when
you start going back generations.
Yeah, it does.
So did you start on your mom's side yet?
Not yet.
We kind of have loosely, A problemwith my mom's side of the family
is that they come from Yugoslavia.
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Mm-hmm.
So in Germany, so there's alot of war torn countries.
So getting past a lot of that.
And another problem with the femaleside of the family is name changes.
Sure.
You start getting into namechanges, then you gotta get the
documentation behind that and mm-hmm.
Yeah.
Now did you do any ofthe DNA stuff with it?
Not yet.
Yeah.
I'm, I'm almost convinced to do it.
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We're, we've been working on a projectthese past six months back here of we,
of identifying our unidentified remains.
Mm-hmm.
And kind of seeing how we haveone case that we're, we're
trying to get identified.
She's from 1995, and we justneed people to take the DNA test.
So that's kind of like, got me alittle bit intrigued on doing my own
DNA, but I haven't done it just yet.
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Yeah, yeah.
Well, I guess, I guess don't do 23and me, they, I think they just filed
for bankruptcy, so, and then like,everybody's like, well, what happens
to my data once you go bankrupt?
Or what if you're gonna sellthe company or whatever it is.
So, yeah.
Yeah.
All right, Amanda, let's finishup with words to the world.
This is where you can promoteany idea that you wish.
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What are your words to the world?
Have fun with this job.
We get into this job and it's like,I know a lot of analysts we're
kind of the behind the scenes.
That's where we like to be we let thedetectives kind of take the limelight,
if you will, but just have fun with it.
Learn as much as you can and kindof just share, share whatever
you can help other analysts.
We're all out here trying todo what we can with the little
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budgets that we're given.
I guess that'd be my biggest adviceis just, and learn, just learn.
Never stop learning.
Very good.
Well, I leave every guest with, you'vegiven me just enough to talk bad
about you later, but I do appreciateyou being on the show, Amanda.
Thank you.
I appreciate so much and you'll be safe.
Yeah, definitely.
Thank you.
I appreciate it.
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Welcome to Analyst Talk with Jason Elder.
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It's like coffee with an analyst,or it could be whiskey with an
analyst reading a spreadsheet,linking crime events, identifying a
series, and getting the latest scoopon association news and training.
So please don't beat that analyst andjoin us as we define the law enforcement
analysis profession one episode at time.
Thank you for joining me.
I hope many aspects ofyour life are progressing.
My name is Jason Elder, and today ourguest has 18 years of law enforcement
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analysis experience with Lee CountySheriff's Office and Collier County
Sheriff's Office, both in Florida.
She holds a certification with the Stateof Florida as a law enforcement analyst.
She also holds a master'sdegree in marketing.
She was recently namedthe civilian of the year.
2024 for Lee County Sheriff's Office.
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Please welcome Amanda Sinkewitz.
Amanda, how we doing?
Doing great.
How are you?
I am doing very well.
So the last name Sincowitz.
I was surprised when I looked up your nameto find out that there's another Sitz,
as an intel analyst from London, Ontario.
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And the first question I asked you whenI emailed you was, are you related?
And the answer is,
we are not as far as I can tell,
I know who would've thunk it?
Two different sitz.
In this profession, maybe I'mbeing a little bit ignorant.
I, I don't feel that Sincowitzis a very popular name.
Would you agree with that
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it is not popular at all.
Okay.
, Just a quick story.
There was a reason you'veactually contacted her.
. Right?
There was a reason to contact her.
I actually needed something out ofher area, and this was years ago.
So I looked up in the directory.
I went to actually go make achange to my own IACA profile.
Mm-hmm.
And saw her name and kind ofkept it in the back of my mind.
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I may need this someday.
Ended up I needed something outof her area and I'm like, hey.
We both share the same last name.
I need your help.
Yes, yes.
But she probably would've helped youregardless, but that is still interesting.
And she was, and she helped you, right?
Oh, definitely.
All right, very good.
Another networking story on theshow, but that one's I, I like
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that one, that one, that one's fun.
'cause I would've thought forsure that you two are related.
If I was a gambling man, Iwould've lost money on that
one.
You would've definitely lost money.
All right, Amanda, we got acouple of things to go over today.
Obviously, as I mentioned inyour intro, you were civilian
of the year for Lee County.
So I want to talk abouthow you got that honor.
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But first, let's not gettoo far ahead of ourselves.
How did you discover the lawenforcement analysis profession?
Kind of a long story.
Pretty funny one at that, my husband methim when I first moved down here in 2004.
To kind of backtrack.
2003. I graduated from Stetson Universitywith a bachelor's degree in marketing
and Dreams to work for Coca-Cola Life.
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Didn't work out that way.
Ended up having a hard time getting a job.
So I ended up having to take the firstjob that was offered to me, which was
offered to me four hours from homewith a home builder down in Fort Myers.
I told 'em, okay, four hours fromhome, do six months and then we'll move
you back up towards the Orlando area.
So I'm like, all right.
Great.
I can do six months.
Very first person that I meet whenI pull my moving truck into my
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apartment complex was my now husbandwho was a law enforcement officer with
the sheriff's office we're at now.
He ended up immediately after I moveddown there moving to a police department.
And to make a long story short, Iended up getting laid off from that
job with the home builder abouttwo years after we moved down here.
Hmm.
So after I get laid off,I'm pretty defeated.
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'cause I had started working onmy master's degree at that point.
Trying to get into the segmentationdepartment of this home builder.
It's about halfway throughmy master's degree.
I told my husband, I said, I don'tknow if I should finish this or
if I should go do something else.
He is like, what about law enforcement?
I'm like, law enforcement, are you crazy?
This is completely opposite fromwhat I want to be doing in life.
I wanna do advertising and you'repushing me towards law enforcement.
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Mm-hmm.
So
I ended up taking a job withHertz because I've never been
without a job a day in my life.
Ended up taking a job withHertz, renting cars at the
airport just for something to do.
One night, the dispatch managerfor the Collier County Sheriff's
Office comes in to rent a car.
I think they were doing an op and theyused to rent their cars through us.
I'm on the phone with one customerhelping her with her order, and I'm
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typing into the computer at the same time.
She asked me, she goes, have youever considered a career dispatch?
And I'm like, no.
I said, but funny you should saythat, because my husband is pushing
me towards going into law enforcement.
So she's like, come sitwith us on Friday night.
It's our busiest night.
See if you like it.
If you like it, then we'll get youpushed through on the hiring process.
So I sat in there on Fridaynight and I hated it.
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And it is, no, no disrespecttowards dispatchers.
I don't know how they do it.
So I told her, I said Iappreciate the opportunity.
This is not for me.
And she's like, well, there'sa analyst position that's open
a district analyst position.
So now I've got my husband telling meto go into law enforcement, and now I've
got her pushing me into this as well.
So I'm like, what the heck?
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Let's give it a shot.
And I ended up getting hired withthe Collier County Sheriff's Office
where I was a district analystfor Im Moley and Golden Gate.
The drive though, was killing us.
It was two hours on the roadone hour each direction.
My position with Lee County Sheriff'sOffice came open, so I, I. Was
literally driving past the Lee CountySheriff's Office on a daily basis
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thinking, oh my gosh, I'm aboutto spend the next hour in traffic.
So I put in for my position at theLee County Sheriff's Office and got
hired into the sexual predator unit.
Ended up spending about seven oreight years in sexual predator unit.
Went out to economic crimes fora couple of years, came back to
sexual predator, went to our intelcenter for a couple of years, and
I've been in homicide since 2022.
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So that's kind of how Iended up in this profession.
Completely opposite of whatI wanted to be doing in life,
but I love every minute of it.
Yeah,, a couple of thoughts onthat., I need to do a. An informal
study on how many analysts arealso married to police officers.
And that correlation, because I
I'm sure it's a lot.
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Yes.
And I, I, I feel, a little badly forpeople that are like doing everything they
can to be an analyst and you just roll inthere and like, Hey, there's this position
over there, this seat that needs filled.
You wanna go fill it?
And they're like, sure.
And you just kind of like totally,literally fall on your lap.
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I know, and I didn't think thatI would love it as much as I do.
I, I'll always have that in the backof my mind of always wanting to work
for Coca-Cola, but if if this wasthe second best thing, then this has
been the best thing that's happened.
Yeah.
Now you, speaking of Coca-Cola,off topic, have you ever gone to
the Coca-Cola Museum up in Atlanta?
Yes, and every time we goto North Carolina, I make my
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husband drive through Atlanta.
Oh.
Through the city.
So that I can just get thatone glimpse of that building.
But yes, I've been tothe Coca-Cola factory.
That is so fun.
I, although I, so for thosethat don't know, and I, I highly
recommend if you're ever in Atlantato go to the Coca-Cola Museum.
When you're done going through all thesight and sounds of the museum, at the
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very end, there is this , large, openroom with fountain drinks everywhere.
By country.
So you get to sample soda popfrom every country, basically.
Not every country, but alot of different countries.
I mean, there's 50 probably there,50 different stations there easily.
Awesome.
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And so you can just go throughand try whatever you want to.
And, and some are bad,some are really terrible.
But , I drank so much that I thinkI started to get diabetes in my
eyes because I started to likenot be able to see too clearly.
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So I knew that was definitelytime for me to stop.
But it is it is, it was a joy to go there.
I really, I really highly recommend it.
So it
is a lot of fun.
Yeah.
So why, I mean, did Coca-Cola justas a kid, or what was the, what
was the attraction to Coca-Cola?
In college, I had to do awork study as part of mm-hmm.
My financial aid package.
And the professor that I hadworked for he had worked for Koch.
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Mm-hmm.
So when I started working for him,he had a, a resume building website
that he worked on part-time and Ihad helped him with that business.
So him and I started talking oneday about Koch and he showed me
all these different advertisingcampaigns that he had worked on.
And just through watching TV andseeing the things that Koch was
doing, it just fascinated me.
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Alright.
Alright.
Very cool.
, Well let's get back to your analyst gig. So you become an analyst . Just take us
back to the first couple days, first week.
What, what do you think of now?
, I had no idea what I was doing.
Mm-hmm.
I had no idea.
I, I would call my husband and be like,I don't even know what this means.
What does this mean?
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And trusting him to not make fun of me,of not knowing what certain things meant.
Yeah, I, I literally knew nothing.
But I had some great people thatkinda helped me along the way and I'm
the type of person, I'm not afraidto ask questions if I don't know
how to do something I'll, I'll tellyou, I don't know what I'm doing.
But just having him by my sideand helping me out, it, it really
helped make those first couple ofweeks and months a lot smoother.
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Okay.
And then so what was the, some of thethings that they were asking you to do?
Well, I was in the sexual predator unitwhen I first started here, so I did a lot
of things of like analyzing the crimesthat these sexual predators had committed.
Looking for different traits trying toconnect crimes together keeping track
of where they were living, dealing withthe general public, stuff like that.
So it was a good way to kindof get my feet wet into this
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position into this field actually.
So it wasn't a lot of likeanalysis that I had to do.
It was more like maintainingthe files and stuff.
Okay.
And then the position came open ineconomic crimes and that's really where
I felt that I kind of took off and.
Really started feelingmore like an analyst.
That was a fun position.
Yeah.
So so with that, in terms of the datayou're analyzing, as you mentioned
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there was a lot of record upkeep, butthis is this is 2008, 2009 timeframes.
So what kind of data are do youhave at your disposal at this time?
We had started compiling and orderingthe case reports on our sex offenders.
Mm-hmm.
We wanted to know what kind of crimesthey were committing, who are they
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victimizing so that we knew what kindof offenders we were dealing with.
So in that position, I really kindof learned a lot about their human
behavior and just by talking to themtoo, of learning their ways and why
they did what they did and how they got.
Access to their victims.
So I learned a lot in the aspect of that,but it wasn't a lot of analytical work.
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Hmm.
It wasn't a lot of like analyzing crimesthat were happening on our streets.
It was more of how do weprevent these guys and these,
these women from doing this?
Again?
How do we protect our children?
Gotcha.
Okay.
And I didn't mention this in yourintro, but you also have a bachelor's in
business administration and marketing.
So the, the economic position shouldhave felt a little bit at home for you?
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It did.
I, I loved finance and numbersand all that other stuff.
So when I got out into economic crimes, Iwas assigned to the major economic crimes.
So we're talking your embezzlement cases.
Mm-hmm.
Ripping off of the employers.
Just those big money casesthat you read about on the.
On the internet.
Yeah.
So I kind of got to use my littlefinancial background in doing that.
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Yeah.
So, and that gets into obviouslyaccounting and number crunching it.
It does seem like that is not, and youcan correct me if you think I'm wrong,
in terms of all the different hats thata law enforcement analyst can wear at a
police department, when it comes to that.
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Kind of financial analysis,that's not usually something that
too many people just get throwninto like all the other stuff.
There's a lot of different hats.
You just whack-a-mole, whatevercomes up, whatever issue comes
up, just give the, to the analyst,let them analyze the data and go.
But it, it isn't too much that Iremember people telling me that.
I was like, yeah, I just got thisfinancial crime handed to me.
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And they said, go, like that seems likeit takes a little bit more of a training,
a little bit more of an expertise.
Oh, definitely.
I mean, all of our crimes atsome point have some sort of
financial benefit for somebody.
Mm-hmm.
But when you start getting into thosebig money and you don't think that it
happens as much as it does until youget into a position like that and then
you realize, you're like, oh my gosh.
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There are people that are ripping offtheir employers for millions of dollars.
I know one of the.
Big case.
The biggest case I ever worked whenI was out in economic crimes was a
farmer who, his long-term employee,she had been there 23 years I believe,
and he had me stop at $1.5 millionthat she had embezzled from him.
He says, I don't want toknow how far this goes.
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So I remember sitting with thedetective with the victim and I told
the, or I told the victim, I said,please, I said, let me go back and
figure out when all of this started.
And he goes, no, stop.
He goes, I don't want toknow how far this goes.
We ended up getting full restitution.
Not that she's gonna be able to ever payback that $1.5 million, but it was just
so crazy to me how you could be missing$1.5 million from somebody that you've
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trusted with your business for that long.
Yeah.
So when you say go back, that $5 million,how far had you gone back by that point?
How many years was that?
I think we went back abouteight, eight or nine years.
I think we went back.
Okay.
She started it out slow, just.
Check her here, check there.
And then as she kind of started gettingaway with it, it started picking up
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a little bit more, a little bit moreuntil it was so outta control that he
had picked up on what was happening.
Wow.
Wow.
So what was she doing exactly?
She was taking the checks that weremeant for the business and she would
take the smaller dollared ones.
Mm-hmm.
And she was depositing themstraight into her account.
Oh, no checks, no.
Nobody was checking any of this.
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And it was small amounts, thingsthat nobody would really have
noticed until the end when itstarted becoming so out of control.
We were so amazed that she was ableto just take these checks and put
them straight into her account andnobody ever even picked up on it.
Well, was she the personthat did all the deposits?
Like if no one else was looking for it?
If she's the only one that doingit that wouldn't, she was the sole
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person responsible for all the financial
man.
So that's
how she was able to get, getaway with it for so long.
Yeah.
But it also makes me thinkthat, I grew up on a farm.
I know a lot of farmersin rural Pennsylvania that
that's not a rich business.
That's not something that most farmerscan just have, even small checks can.
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Mm-hmm.
They can't go with missing small checks.
So he must be, not, not that Iam , with the fender or anything,
but he must be doing pretty well notto have missed even small checks.
Yeah.
He was doing very well.
So more, it was surprising how well hewas doing compared to just doing farming.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Maybe, maybe he's doingsomething s slidey too.
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That's our thought.
He was like, Hey let's let's quitwhere we're ahead here before you find
something I don't want you to find.
Right.
Oh, man.
So how, how long wereyou with the economics?
Two economic crisis?
Two years.
Yeah.
And where do you go from there?
I went back to sexualpredator for a few years.
Okay.
All right.
And , what went into that decision?
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It was a lot to do withwhen I had my daughter.
Okay.
Just the gravity of dealing with thesexual predator unit, having a new baby.
I needed a change.
Yeah.
Okay.
So, oh, so you, you, and that's the reasonyou went to economics or that was the
reason where you went back to, to That
was the reason I went to economic crimes.
Okay.
We actually, me and theanalyst that was in.
That took my position.
Mm-hmm.
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We flip flopped, so she came.
Oh, okay.
Out to my position, Icame back to my old one.
Oh, okay.
And what's that analyst name?
Her name was Casey.
Okay.
Is Casey still there?
Yep.
She's moved on to crime scene though.
Oh, crime scenes.
All right, man.
But she's making us lookbad and I don't like it.
I don't like the law enforcement analystto get associated with crime scene.
'cause then everybody thinks we're CSI.
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I know,
I know.
But no good for Casey.
All right.
, So when you come back to , the sexoffender, and so that's, you're getting
into, we're like 2012 range, right?
It's right around that,that time, give or take.
I guess when you come back, what aresome of the things you established or
what, what, what maybe has changed?
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I kind of picked up rightexactly where I had left off.
Mm-hmm.
I had already known what I was doingwith the job, so it was a real easy
transition back into my position.
It was just unfortunately having moreoffenders to deal with law changes
and just having to figure out whathas changed since then since I left.
But it was all, a lot of thesame stuff I was doing before.
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Hmm.
So then, I guess, what, whatare some of the changes you've
seen over the last decade?
With, you mentioned there's more of'em, obviously the, the number has gone
on, laws have changed, but is therecertain patterns or certain trends
that you've seen over the last decade?
I think the biggest change has justbeen how these sexual offenders
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get access to their victims.
Mm-hmm.
Now with social media and all of thesekids being on social media and having
these different social platforms andunfortunately sometimes if you're
not watching your children, they getcaught up with people like that, so.
Mm-hmm.
I've seen it more now go towardsthe online portion of offending.
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Yeah.
It is so different 'cause Right, bebefore , most of the time you had
to be in the same physical spot.
Right.
Right.
That was, that was usually the thing.
Now you can don't even haveto, the, the victim doesn't
even have to leave the house.
Right, right.
To be a victim.
So it is a lot.
But I also feel that the schools andpublic service announcements, I mean,
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they've, they've tried their best to getthe word out on the dangers of Right.
Of, of that.
Do you feel, do you, obviously you'rein business, so it's not 100%, so
it's not convincing everybody, butdo you feel that that's sufficient?
Or maybe what would, whatwould you like to see changed
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in terms of, in terms of that?
I think parents just need to bemore aware of what's out there.
Mm-hmm.
I mean, we can preach toour children all we want.
But I think it's the parents that theyneed to understand what's out there and
that not everybody has good intentions andkids, they think that they're invincible
and that's never gonna happen to me.
And then it happens.
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And yeah, you want your kids to be ableto be open and understand that this is
what's happening, we need to stop this.
So I think parents just need tobe aware of what's out there.
. So you eventually makeit to homicide unit.
And this is where we get your firstof three analyst badge stories.
And for those that may be newto the show, the analyst badge
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story is a career defining caseor project that a analyst works.
And so here it's 2022and we're in Florida.
And maybe most people don't, in,in listening in this country.
Don't remember Hurricane Ian, butobviously those folks that were
in the southern portion of Floridaremember Ian and its destruction.
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So you are and you are dealingwith this and just tell us the
story of, what happened with you.
So Hurricane Ian was not supposedto originally hit our area.
It was supposed to go up towards the Tampaarea, but at the last minute it made a
hard turn and headed straight for us.
So, as most Floridians know, youdo not want to deal with putting
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up hurricane shutters and gettingyour property ready until you know
that this thing is about to hit.
So we had hours to start gettingeverything ready and we're always prepared
for hurricanes down here as it is.
But we get hit byHurricane Ian and take it.
Where I live in Fort Myers,we took a direct hit.
The eye never even passedover us, so we took about.
A whole day is worth of just pounding.
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After the hurricane passed over, Iremember calling my dad and I told him, I
said, when is this eye gonna pass over us?
And he goes, it should beright on top of you right now.
And I said, dad, I said, my treesare bending in the front yard.
So the eye passed just a littlebit to the north of us and
then we lost cell reception.
So they got some mobile cell towersset up and I reported into work.
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And unfortunately that's when I foundout that we had had numerous fatalities
of our coastal Fort Myers Beach area.
And the destruction kind of lastedfor us from Fort Myers Beach all
the way up our coast to Sanibeland then Bolea and Pine Island.
So we had several fatalities.
I came in and started helpingwith identifying our decedents.
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Part of my job is once wegot them identified, was to.
Try and locate their next of kin.
And what I ended up doing on onecase is to help the detectives out
who are out helping collect thedeceased and get them to the medical
examiner's office is I would fillout the teletype request for them.
I would contact the agency getthe or I number and get that.
Processed into place.
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I contacted a sheriff's office outin Washington state and I asked the
dispatcher that answered the phone,I identified myself, told her We need
to do a next of kin notification.
Can I have your ORI number so thatI can send this teletype out to you?
She asks me if the next of kinnotification was in reference to,
and she gives this person's name.
I start scrambling because I think,oh no, I have already contacted this
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department, probably already done thenotification, and I start panicking.
So there's this long pause on theend of the, the end of the phone,
and she goes, that's my dad.
So I have an instant moment ofpanic because now I do not know what
to do because nobody had ever hadnotified her yet that her father
had passed away in our jurisdiction.
So I talked to her andI tell her I'm so sorry.
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I said, I have neverhad to do this before.
I have never had to make anext of kin notification.
So she asks a whole bunch ofquestions and both her and I by
the end of the conversation orin tears with each other because.
At that point, you know all themillions of people in the world out
there, and I pick up the phone and Italk to the one person on the planet.
That we were trying to get ahold of,and nobody ever prepares you for having
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to give somebody the worst news thatthey're about to receive of their life.
So it just kind of,afterwards I sat there.
I, I remember my lieutenant sitting nextto me and I grabbed his arm because I
didn't know what to do, and he kind oftalked me through as to what to tell her.
But I'll never forget her for as longas I live, because of what I had to
tell her and how I got thrust intothat situation of doing something
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that I had never had to do before.
Yeah.
I was just talking about how analystswear a lot of different hats.
It's things come up and theanalyst gets plugged , to fill
a need on a variety of stuff.
And I never, I, I work for Vanderbilt now.
I, that doesn't happen.
Like, I don't get, Idon't get randomly pulled.
I mean, if it's a data thing is aone-off thing that's has to do with data.
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Yeah.
But it's not like I'm oh, go startmaking phone calls to, to that or just.
Doing different, justwhat you're talking about.
So it, it again, it just, the, the tollthat it takes, because that's obviously
not something you imagined you weredoing when you woke up that morning.
No, no, but I think about herfrom time to time and I think.
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Hopefully that is the first andthe last time that I ever have to
make a next of kin notification.
But
yeah, yeah, I think about her a lot.
Yeah.
It also, it is one thing that I,that I find unnerving as well.
Now you talked about cell phone.
Cell phones went out.
That was, that happenedwith Michael in 2018 here.
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And that was way worse for me than beingwithout electricity, not having cell phone
for, I think it was about 36 hours here.
It was way unnerving because I couldn'treally contact anybody to let 'em
know that we were okay type of thing.
And we
didn't have water orpower for three weeks.
I think out of no cell phone,no water, and no power.
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The two things that I missed themost was having access to water.
Then my cell phone, because I hadfamily that kept trying to get ahold
of us that couldn't get ahold of usbecause we had no cell reception.
So thankfully I had a work cell phoneand I was able to contact everybody
to let 'em know, Hey, we're okay.
But
yeah, not everybody can do that.
But I mean, and that, that gets dangeroustoo, because what happens is, is people
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don't hear from relatives, so thenthey physically go out to see them.
Mm-hmm.
To make sure that they're okay.
So that means you have more people outon the roads in a dangerous situation
when they shouldn't be out there.
Right.
So.
It's a really unnerving time and,and man, three weeks without water.
Ooh.
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Yeah, man.
Yeah, I, I do remember that becausethat was, that was the one I thought
was I live here in Tallahassee.
That was the one I thoughtall the spaghetti diagrams
had it heading and Right.
Most of the spaghettis spaghettipieces had it gone pretty close to us,
and I think there was only one thatdiverted off east, and that was the one
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that path that it did end up taking.
Yeah.
So it was obviously an unexpected turnthat that took, but man,, , that is a lot.
And that is, that is heavy.
Now, , did you go through anycounseling or anything after that, or
how did, how did you deal with it inthe, in the coming days after that?
Well unfortunately, we were working15, 16 hour days, so mm-hmm.
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You kind of had to mm-hmm.
Unfortunately, move on to the next.
And I don't mean that in a disrespectto any, any of the deceased Yeah.
But once it was all over, I rememberwe just kind of all sat here and it
was like we had to process everythingthat we had just gone through.
And luckily my husband beinga, a cop, he understood.
So I remember I got home, Itook a day off and mm-hmm.
I, I just didn't do anything.
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And yeah there's still sometimes where I'll be driving
down the road and I'll remember.
I can still rattle off namesof these victims, so that kind
of stuck with me a little bit.
Yeah.
But
yeah.
Hmm, man.
All right, well there's notreally a good way to segue
that, so we're just gonna do it.
We're just gonna segue andto your second bad story.
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And as I mentioned you, youwere transferred to homicide.
So this is a homicide case?
Yes.
And we're 2023.
Yeah.
August of 2023.
We had received a call forservice and there's kind of
three main players in this case.
It's a grandfather, his son, andthen I'll call him his grandson.
Mm-hmm.
So August of 2023, we get a call forservice in reference to a missing person.
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The grandfather had called into ourdispatch center saying that he was
having trouble getting ahold of hisson and he had told his grandson he
had until Monday to put his fatheron the phone or he was gonna call
the Lee County Sheriff's Office.
Monday came, grandson stilldidn't give him access to his son.
So we called us, we end up going outonto, into the missing person's house.
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Hold on.
I'm like getting tripped up on my words.
We end up going out to the houseand find out that the grandson
starts giving us some storiesabout, he's out freedom fighting.
He's out traveling in Montana, he'sdoing some stuff in other countries.
So red flags immediately start going up.
Mm-hmm.
One of the detectives calledthe missing person's phone and
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heard it ringing in the house.
So we're like, okay, we'vegot these wild stories.
Now we've got the victim's phone here.
What's next to the phone?
The victim's wallet.
So we're thinking he's out doingall of this traveling without
his cell phone and his wallet.
The detectives back out and theyget a search warrant for the house.
They go in, do the search warrant grabthe grandson, bring him down here.
Start interviewing him.
Grandson doesn't want us to gointo one bedroom of the house.
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So the detectives get into thatroom and it's just floor to ceiling,
wall to wall of food supplieskind of like doomsday prepping.
Mm-hmm.
Whole bunch of things, butit was floor to ceiling.
Wall to wall.
Grandson starts coming down hereand he gives us his cell phone.
We look into the victim's cell phone,find out that the story about him out,
freedom, fighting, and taking trips intoMontana is not at all what is happening.
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So I start going through the grandson'scell phone and we find out that
he had purchased a freezer from.
I believe it was Home Depot,which was immediately returned
within like an hour or so.
He ends up buying a biggerfreezer from Lowe's and has
that one delivered to the house.
So we're looking around this houseand we don't see a freezer of
this size anywhere in this house.
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Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
So I continued going through thephone and there was a text message
that the grandson had received froma friend of his in the middle of
the Everglades with a flatbed truck.
So I tell the detective on thecase, I said, Hey, there's this
video, here's the coordinates.
This is really weird.
I don't know, because there's no context.
There was no text messagethat went with mm-hmm.
The video.
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It was just this video of him drivingdown a back road of the Everglades.
So up in the helicopter we go andwe start flying the Everglades
down to these coordinates.
And we are just circling trying tofind a freezer in the middle of the
Everglades, which if anybody's ever beento the Everglades, as to how expansive.
The Everglades are, once you areup in a helicopter, it's just
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for as far as the eye can see.
So we circle for a few hoursand then realize that we're
not finding what we're needing.
We need to come back and regroup.
So we come back to the office andI start compiling the financial
records of our missing person.
And I start seeing, he wasa very religious person.
So I start seeing things like purchasesat bars, purchases at for adult sites.
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Things that he wouldhave never partaked in.
Well, didn't, at least until thatpoint you, there was a point in a
direct point in time when all ofa sudden you see these, these very
different types of purchases come up.
Right.
We start seeing a. Definitechange in behavior.
Mm-hmm.
I mean, before that it was all, everythingthat he was looking up was about religion
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and all of a sudden it switches overand he's looking up things on OnlyFans.
Mm-hmm.
That was a clue.
So the detective ends up getting anothersearch warrant for the house and the
whole unit responds out there and we startpulling all of these supplies out one by
one and assembly lining it out the door.
And we're just everywhere.
We can stick these suppliesand underneath was a freezer.
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That we were looking for unfortunatelywith his body inside of it.
Oh.
But that was a case where it waslike you start getting thrusted
into different things that youdidn't need, didn't necessarily know
that you were going to have to do.
So I had to lean a lot on mybackground in economic crimes
and going through cell phones.
And ultimately thankfully weended up finding him and he's
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gonna be spending a substantialamount of time in prison for it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So, and even again, it just makesme one again, the, the amount
of different things an analystscan get themselves involved in.
The I'm there in a helicopter lookingdown for, for this ginormous freezer
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in the Everglades is, is definitely notsomething that a typical analyst does.
No, I think if you would've told me incollege that someday I was going to be up
looking for a freezer in the Everglades,I would've told you that you were crazy.
So do you know what his plan was?
I mean, I, I'm a little shocked thathe didn't just try to remove the body.
(31:41):
, Because he had to know that the policewere onto him by that point in time,
and the fact that he didn't try tomove the body after the first search
warrant seems a little surprising.
I don't think that heknew what to do with it.
I think he knew that that point thatwe were watching him, and luckily he
had a warrant out of another state.
So we were able to get him incustody, so we didn't have that
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opportunity to move it, but
Oh, okay.
The detective asked himlike, what was your plan?
He had no plan.
Yeah.
And this had gone on for a couple ofweeks by the time that we realized
that he had been killed betweenwhen we actually received the call
for service was a couple of weeks.
So he had a couple of weeksto do something with it.
And thankfully looking back,he didn't do anything with it
because we were able to give Yeah.
(32:24):
The, the missing personback to his family.
Mm-hmm.
He had no plan.
Yeah.
Hmm.
, Did he explain like what this wasover why he killed his father?
He said that his father had asked for it.
He wanted to commit suicide,but couldn't bring himself to do
it, which was not true at all.
Oh, okay.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
But that was a fun caseto get involved in.
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I mean, it's as sad asit is, it was still Yeah.
We found the, found the good parts of it.
Yeah.
No, I do again, like the aspect offollowing the cell phone and , the search
history and the, the freezer to put a,to even put you on track of the freezer.
'cause I feel, I feel that'sa big part of that case.
Even, even though it eventuallyled you down to the helicopters
(33:08):
and have helicopter searchthat didn't, wasn't fruitful.
I do feel that had you not hadthat bit of information about a
freezer, it just, there's so manyoptions of where the body could be.
Right.
We probably
had it not been for that him using his owncell phone to do this freezer purchase.
(33:28):
I would hope that wewould've found him someday.
But it gets back to the thing, it'slike just going through the cell phone
and looking at every single littlepiece of information in that phone.
Of how we were able toend up recovering him.
Hi, this is Sally Rawlings and I'm curiousif other people have the same experience.
(33:52):
You get on an airplane to travel somewhereand the person sitting next to you
says, oh, what do you do for a living?
And you say, crime analysis.
And they go, ah, I love CSI.
I watch all the shows.
I almost did it, but then I didn't.
So then you debate.
Do I correct him or doI just roll with it?
I've gotten to the point now I go, yep.
CSI is awesome.
(34:13):
This is Jamie Lamana here to tellyou that not all cop shows are real.
So please don't ask your crime analystfriend why they're doing this on the show.
They don't know.
, Let's move on to the third case then.
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And as I mentioned, in yourintro, this case earned you the
civilian of the year award in 2024.
So just, I'll just open the door andjust, you can tell me all about this case.
Yeah, I actually got civilian of thequarter for the end of 2024 and then ended
up getting civilian of the year over it.
So this case was a lotof, a lot of work for us.
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But they all, all the detectivessay, I made it look easy, but
I guess that's part of being ananalyst is you make it look so easy.
Yeah.
But in June of 2024, wereceived a call at a park.
It was a, it's a nice public park.
People walk, their dogs, taketheir kids of a shooting.
Ended up being thehomicide of a young man.
Who we had no idea why he waseven in the park at that point.
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We had spoken with hisfiance or his girlfriend.
She didn't know why he was in thepark, so we had no idea if he was
meeting somebody, who he was meeting,what he was even doing there.
We get his cell phone and I startgoing through the phone line by
line, and I noticed in the lastcouple of hours of his life is what
I really focused on to begin with.
I noticed that he was having a Snapchatconversation with a person who had.
(35:40):
A Snapchat handle.
So I take that Snapchat handle,copy it save it for later.
'cause I know I'm going toneed this at some point.
And I start lookingback in the cell phone.
And for some reason there was alarge gap in time between a entry, I
think it was in 2018, skipped a bunchof years to this conversation that
they were having at present time.
Well, back in 2018, for some reason,he had sent an address to our victim.
(36:03):
So I pull up the addressand I'm like, you know what?
I'm gonna get a list of the residents thatlived in this unit back around this time.
So I pull it and of course it comesback with hundreds of names that
lived in this apartment complex.
It ended up coming down to three lettersthat matched from what our Snapchat
handle was to a resident's name thatused that apartment back in 2018.
(36:26):
So I start looking into it andthe avatar that he had on Snapchat
looked like it would've been a.Cartoon version of what he looked
like on his driver's license photo.
Mm-hmm.
So I take that and now weneed a, a cell phone number.
So I take that name and I startrunning it through all the various
different law enforcement databasesthat we have access to, his analyst.
(36:46):
And I end up finding a phone numberthat he used in an old police report.
And it was the only time that he had everused that phone number that we could find.
Well, now we're trying to put himdown in this area because everything
that I'm finding shows that he is in.
A different part of our county andhad no reason to be down that way.
So we take that phone number we endup getting a warrant for the trap and
(37:07):
trace on that phone, end up finding him.
And he lives in the apartment complexjust to the north of this park.
So it was cool because I took whatwas just an avatar name or on our
avatar picture and a Snapchat name,ended up finding an address, which
gave me a name and a date of birth.
And we ended up getting our suspectin custody within about two days.
So it went from a basic who'ddone it, homicide into we got, had
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somebody in custody two days later.
Yeah.
So back to when you'relooking for the address.
And you get all the names back Ofthe people that lived there, you
said it came down to three letters.
Was that his initials or what,what were those three letters?
It was the first threeletters of his name.
I knew that his Snapchat name.
(37:51):
'cause when you're looking at things,people tend to use some variation
of their name in their mm-hmm.
Social media handles.
So I either knew that the firstthree letters or the last couple
of letters were part of his name.
So I started looking for differentvariations of those letters.
And that's what ended up, I found that thefirst three letters of his name matched
the resident that lived at that apartment.
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I don't think it was thatexact unit, but it was at that
apartment complex back in 2018.
So then I was like, okay, well let mestart running down this rabbit hole.
And that ended up being therabbit hole that identified him.
And so what, you talked about agap in their conversation there.
, Were they former loversor something like that?
Or had had a falling out or justwhat, what was the reason for the gap?
(38:35):
I think they went to I don'tremember how their worlds ended
up colliding back in 2018.
I don't remember if theywere friends in high school.
Mm-hmm.
But at some point back in 2018, theyhad had some interaction with each
other and unfortunately this endedup being a homicide over drugs.
So I don't know if maybe he wasbuying from him back in 2018, but
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that one piece of information.
And we still to this day don't understandwhy there was such a large gap in time
between when they first communicated backin 18 and why that he was even still.
A part of his phone because hehad gotten a new phone since 2018.
So we don't know ifmaybe it was backed up.
Thankfully whatever happened causedthat information to transfer to his
new cell phone because that ended upbeing the one piece of information
(39:19):
that kind of broke this case openwas one address back in 2018.
I, I agree with the officers.
You did make that look easy, but Imean, you essentially solved that case.
Yeah, I mean, I'm not one to liketake credit for things, but I was
definitely in the past couple of weekshave been told that take the spotlight.
(39:39):
Yeah, no, that's super cool though.
I mean it, I I get it, I get it.
I, you're humble and, and everything else.
We're all, I think a little uncomfortablewith the spotlight, but that is.
That is something where you nowseeing it from this point of view,
you telling me the story, I cansee the line, I can see the path.
(40:00):
But when you're living it, you,you have no idea what you're going
to uncover as you're going throughthese different stops and Right.
Going through all these, all thesedifferent searches and going through
all these different rabbit holesas you mentioned, and you end up
going down the, the right rabbithole again and, and again and again.
Until the, until the person's identified.
(40:21):
Right.
I mean, I think I would like to saythat this case would've been solved
after search warrant, after searchwarrant, after search warrant.
But to have this case solved, which withinhour, the first couple of hours after the
homicide to having somebody in custodytwo days later, it was pretty amazing.
And that's why I'm a big, I'm a bigproponent of getting your analysts
(40:42):
involved in your cases, makingsure that they know everything you
can't piece information to them andexpect them to put a case together
for you because that one tiny pieceof information is something that it
could be what blows your case open.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And I always had troublegoing the opposite direction.
Right.
There was stuff that I would find outthat I'm like, this doesn't mean anything
(41:03):
to me, but it may mean something toyou, the investigator that you've seen.
Right.
Yeah.
And it's, it's, it does get a littlebit what to share and what not to share.
But its, and it's
all about communicating.
I mean, I will, I'll tell mydetectives everything that I
find, they do the same with me.
Mm-hmm.
Telling me everything that they know.
So it really is a team effort.
(41:23):
Yeah.
And that's what I tell my guysafter I got this award, I said,
this wasn't a singular effort.
I was, I was able to find you a name.
You guys went out andgot him in custody, so,
yeah.
Wow.
But that is great.
, Do you feel, and I don't your position,you're an investigative analyst, so you're
obviously assigned there in homicide,you are the analyst there for the unit.
(41:47):
, Do you feel that you're doing stuffthat, the investigator or detective
can do, but either isn't very goodat it or doesn't wanna be doing it?
, They rather be outside the officeand you're doing what they could be
doing, but it's more inside the officeand I, I don't mean I, I, I hope I'm
not trying to be derogatory, I'm justtrying to get a gauge of how you feel
(42:11):
the position is from your perspective.
Yeah, I feel like it's definitelyI have as analysts and I,
I've used this example with.
Analysts that are justcoming into this profession.
I think as detectives and cops,they're kind of trained to think inside
these parameters, inside these boxes.
This is what I need, this is how I get it.
Mm-hmm.
I think as analysts, we'rekind of need to be trained.
(42:31):
They think in this box, we need to thinkoutside of it, and then we need to come
together so they have their specific tasksand their procedures and their search
warrant, ways that they need to do things.
We need to figure out how we canget the information that they need.
As is so that we can getsome closure for these cases.
So yeah, I definitely feel thatthere's things that I love to work on.
(42:52):
There's things that Idon't like to work on.
There's things that the detectivesthat they could be doing, but if I can
do it better and it turns out for ourcases a lot better, let me handle it.
Yeah.
Very good.
All right, well you are a mentor, so thank you for doing that.
That's it's always nice passing downknowledge to the next generation.
And so just bodes wellfor the advice section.
(43:14):
So , what advice do youhave for our listeners?
My biggest piece of advice is takeas much free training as you can.
Mm-hmm.
There are so many classes outthere that are absolutely free.
It takes up maybe a couple of hoursof your time or you may have to sit
through a training and then a littlebit of a product demo, but sign up for
as free, as much free stuff as you can.
(43:35):
There are so many classes that I've takenthat as a free means that I have felt I.
I would've paid for that
training.
And
then there's classesthat we've paid for that.
I'm like, yeah, thatcould have been a webinar.
Yeah.
But just there's so many different things.
And take classes on things that youdon't think that you're going to
need, because you never know There'sgoing to be that one case that you're
like, man, I didn't think I'd everhave to be doing this, but here I am
(43:58):
now I need to use, put it into play.
Yeah.
So I think my biggest thing is justtake as much training as you can.
Yeah.
What was that training you weretelling me about in the prep call
where it was free, it was four hoursand it was definitely worth the time.
Oh, it was, I think hands down, oneof the best classes I have ever taken.
It was put on I think itwas by the DEA in Miami.
I went over for a four hour classand it was on photo locating where a
(44:22):
photo was taken without any metadata.
So he taught us how to look in thebackgrounds of photos and start to pick
out things and how to use Google Lensand use all these different tools to
figure out where a photo was taken.
And since.
I've taken that class, I've actuallyhad to do that in two different cases
of figuring out exactly where somebodywas when they took a photo, because
(44:46):
there wasn't that metadata that Icould just pop into a Google search and
figure out where the photo was taken.
So yeah, that was a free classthat I would've definitely paid
probably a lot of money for.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And for the listeners, if there isa free training that you went to
and thought it was well worth yourtime and effort, we have a comment
down below and, and let us know.
(45:06):
They have so many good trainings.
I've tried taking, I have tofinish it, but doing the analyst
notebook training because thatprogram is, is not user friendly.
Yeah.
I was at the Carolina Crime AnalysisAssociation conference and I, too was
there, and it's funny, I don't rememberseeing them a lot at other conferences.
(45:27):
Mm-hmm.
And, I went to them, I said, I, I said,I haven't used your program in 15 years.
Tell me what's happened since, since then.
And, and they were kindenough to me to show it.
So , it is a powerful program,but it does seem like it needs,
I don't know what it needs, it needsan analyst that does this job to
(45:47):
tell them what they're doing wrong.
I mean, I love, I use it two all the time.
Like one of my favorite things towork on is link charts and timelines.
Mm-hmm.
And kind of trying to figure out what itis that I want to do and how to do it.
It just needs an overhaulof just user friendly.
Yeah.
Now I, and one of the things, Idid ask them this, 'cause one of
the, it was the same pet peevethat that I had when I used it.
(46:08):
When you do timelines, youcan't stack the timelines.
Mm-hmm.
Right?
It has to be linear, one line.
And I always felt that that wasn'tconducive to either printing on a
plotter or even being on the screen.
Is that I would like to just stack them.
Maybe by year, like year one, yeartwo, year 3, 1, 2, 3, stacked on top of
(46:31):
each other and tell the story that way.
And they still haven't, gotten tothe point where you could do that.
I know, and
it's funny that you say that becausethat was my biggest complaint in that.
Case with the guy in the freezer is, I hadso much data with financial transactions
that my link chart was if I would'veprinted it, it would've been a mile long.
(46:51):
Sure.
And I kept looking in there, I'm like,there has to be a way to break this
so that I can break this line so thatit continues onto the next, and there
wasn't, so what I ended up having todo was figure out where there was good
breaks and then just create new chartsand then sketch 'em all together.
So
yeah, there used to be a$50 program called RFFlow.
I have that.
(47:11):
Do you, is it still around thatprogram would allow you to do it?
Like it was, it was really cool.
I don't know.
I should get, I should try to find thosepeople that created that software because.
It for being a mom and pop $50 program.
It was awesome.
Oh, it's amazing.
I actually have the CD that tellsyou how old this program was.
(47:36):
We actually got a CD copy of it whenwe graduated from the Analyst Academy,
so I have held onto that and if I can'tfigure it out and I too, or if it's just
something real simple that I need to dosome quick link chart in, I'll use RFFlow.
But yeah, yeah, I still have it on cd.
That is so funny.
Oh my gosh.
Yeah.
That was that was you just talkedabout going to getting free training.
(47:57):
There was a time where you wentout and got free software, right.
You just got software, whatever youneeded to be able to do the job . And
I'm sure there's still a little bitof that going on, but RF Flow is
one of those ones that was like,wow, this is, this is really useful.
I wish, I wish I too, was ableto do some of the things that you
could do in RF flow type of thing.
(48:18):
Yeah.
And I've used Vizio a couple of times.
Okay.
Vizio is not the greatest Imy go-to though is RFFlow.
Yeah.
It's just so much easier.
All right, was there anythingelse that you wanted to advise on?
Yeah.
I think my other piece ofadvice is just to network.
When you're, I know we don't often,as analysts, we don't get a lot
of money for the training budget.
That's why I'm a big believerin getting as much free training
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as you can ask for those.
I. At the end of the class, ask for thosecontact lists because you never know when
you're gonna need something outta somebodyelse's agency or somebody's going to have
an expertise in something that now you'regonna need to do for one of your cases.
But my other biggest piece of adviceis to network and ask questions.
I've never come across an analystthat wasn't willing to help.
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If I'm not understanding something orI'm not quite understanding how something
works, I know that analysts can be someof the most helpful people out there.
They all, we all have the same goal.
We need to help our detectivesas much as possible.
All right.
Speaking of networking a greatnetworking opportunity is going through
the fleet program, which you did.
I mentioned in your intro that youare certified with the state of
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Florida as a law enforcement analyst.
Looking back now at the program just whatis your take about the fleet program?
Yeah, I went through, in 2008,I got my law enforcement analyst
certification through the FloridaDepartment of Law Enforcement.
And it taught me things that I hadn't atthat time I was such a new analyst, which
is why my department decided to send me isbecause I hadn't had any experience barely
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had any experience in being an analyst.
So I still to this day talk to allthese years later, I still talk to my
classmates and I've needed things fromtheir departments and just to kind
of catch up and see how we're doing.
Yeah, I think that's one ofthe biggest gifts that you get.
From that program is you have that cohortthat you mentioned of all across the state
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now of people that you worked with overthe time of the training, got to know.
And any time that you, you need somethingfrom that given area, you now know
somebody in that area most likely.
Yeah.
And that's the hard part too, is likeknowing that you need something out of a
certain department and not having anybody.
Mm-hmm.
So if you've got that connectionof like, Hey, do you remember
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when we took this class togetherof having that, that connection
of Yeah, I remember who you were.
Yeah.
How can I help you?
All right, well let's finishup with personal interest then.
And you are currentlyfinding out your family tree.
You were doing genealogy studies?
My dad and I started this a few years ago.
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We kind of started it, setit aside, picked it up.
Mm-hmm.
Set it aside.
Ran into some roadblocks, but it'sbeen so fun learning the things that
I've learned about my dad's side ofthe family, we started with my dad's.
Mm-hmm.
Next we wanna work on my mom's,but even how genealogy and how
that has taught me a lot about lawenforcement as well, and now learning
how I can go and get used all thesedifferent records to get what I need.
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So yeah, I'm a, I'm apart-time amateur genealogist.
All right.
So how far back have yougone on your dad's side?
We've gone back about six or sevengenerations and this is where we've
hit the roadblock, so, mm-hmm.
I'm trying to get past this roadblock,but we've learned a lot like family
stories of things that my dad was toldas a child that ended up not being.
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Entirely true.
Something embellished a littlebit, but we've, we've found
out some really cool things.
Yeah.
It, to me, it, it just gets maddeningwhen, when you get up to like
16 different paths, like Right.
Like you go for and it's just, man, it,it just, there's so much when someone
says they're the great, great, greatgrandfather of, or grandchild of so
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and so, and I'm like, man, well that'sa, that's a, that's a lot of people.
I mean, it just, it gets blurry quickand as, as far as I'm concerned, when
you start going back generations.
Yeah, it does.
So did you start on your mom's side yet?
Not yet.
We kind of have loosely, A problemwith my mom's side of the family
is that they come from Yugoslavia.
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Mm-hmm.
So in Germany, so there's alot of war torn countries.
So getting past a lot of that.
And another problem with the femaleside of the family is name changes.
Sure.
You start getting into namechanges, then you gotta get the
documentation behind that and mm-hmm.
Yeah.
Now did you do any ofthe DNA stuff with it?
Not yet.
Yeah.
I'm, I'm almost convinced to do it.
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We're, we've been working on a projectthese past six months back here of we,
of identifying our unidentified remains.
Mm-hmm.
And kind of seeing how we haveone case that we're, we're
trying to get identified.
She's from 1995, and we justneed people to take the DNA test.
So that's kind of like, got me alittle bit intrigued on doing my own
DNA, but I haven't done it just yet.
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Yeah, yeah.
Well, I guess, I guess don't do 23and me, they, I think they just filed
for bankruptcy, so, and then like,everybody's like, well, what happens
to my data once you go bankrupt?
Or what if you're gonna sellthe company or whatever it is.
So, yeah.
Yeah.
All right, Amanda, let's finishup with words to the world.
This is where you can promoteany idea that you wish.
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What are your words to the world?
Have fun with this job.
We get into this job and it's like,I know a lot of analysts we're
kind of the behind the scenes.
That's where we like to be we let thedetectives kind of take the limelight,
if you will, but just have fun with it.
Learn as much as you can and kindof just share, share whatever
you can help other analysts.
We're all out here trying todo what we can with the little
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budgets that we're given.
I guess that'd be my biggest adviceis just, and learn, just learn.
Never stop learning.
Very good.
Well, I leave every guest with, you'vegiven me just enough to talk bad
about you later, but I do appreciateyou being on the show, Amanda.
Thank you.
I appreciate so much and you'll be safe.
Yeah, definitely.
Thank you.
I appreciate it.
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