The Goddess - The Heroine’s Journey

Today we discuss with Dr. Josh Stout how the Goddess represents feminine power and spirituality, but how society has repressed Her image and the fundamental aspect of Her femininity in the world.

Episode Transcript

(00:08):
Okay.
Friday,
November
10th.
This
is
episode
ten.
Hi,
Josh. 12 00:00:12,987 --> 00:00:00,-01 Dr. Josh Stout:
Hi,
Eric.
How
you
doing?
So
today
is
about
the
goddess
and
the
heroine's
journey,
and
we're
looking
at
how
basically
many
religions
started
off
with
a
sort
of
unitary
understanding

(00:28):
of
the
spiritual
world,
which
then
broke
into
some
sort
of
duality,
a
sort
of
yin
and
yang
became
the
various
gods
and
goddesses,
and
that
we've
now
sort
of
left
that
kind
of
conception
of,
of
of
cosmology
behind.
So
originally
in
the
Paleolithic,

(00:49):
the
female
portion
of
that
duality
was
much,
much
stronger.
We
see
in
Shiva
Cave,
the
goddess
is
formed
by
a
unity
of
the
Minotaur
and
the
lioness.
And
that
duality
she
was
representing
both
male
and
female
power.
But

(01:09):
the
female
power
was
primary
in
that
arrangement
so
that
it
isn't
a
lot
of
males
and
a
little
bit
of
females.
It's
lots
and
lots
of
females
and
a
little
bit
of
male.
And
that
was
what
primary
power
was
seen
as
is.
So
the
the
lionesses
were
hunting
power
and
the
male
image
was
a

(01:29):
sort
of
single
aspect
of
that
because
they
understood
that
the
male
was
also
important.
And
we
sort
of
turned
that
kind
of
arrangement
on
the
head,
on
its
head.
The
main
figure
you
see
in
the
Palaeolithic
is
the
Venus
figures,
these
voluptuous
women
with
large
hips,
large
breasts,
and
they
far
outnumber
any
any
male
figures.

(01:49):
They
probably
were
not
some
sort
of
universal
culture
that
had
spread
everywhere
but
were
derived
over
and
over
again.
So
much
like
hand
axes
were
worldwide
or
Celts,
the
ground
stone
Celts
were
worldwide.
You
could
find
a
Celtic
in
New
Guinea,
you
could
find
a
Celtic
in
Mesoamerica. 294 00:02:09,657 --> 00:00:00,-01 Eric:
What
is

(02:10):
a
Celtic? 299 00:02:10,737 --> 00:00:00,-01 Dr. Josh Stout:
Just
a
ground
stone
axe
head.
They
all
look
the
same
no
matter
where
you
are
because
they
have
a
particular
use.
Venus
figures
were
similar
in
that
they're
representing
the
voluptuous
female
deity
and
their
universe.
You're
seeing. 339 00:02:22,797 --> 00:00:00,-01 Eric:
These
these,
these
rose
around
the
world
wherever
humanity
was. 350 00:02:27,777 --> 00:00:00,-01 Dr. Josh Stout:
And
started
making
things.
Symbols
came

(02:30):
out,
these
symbols
came
out.
So
I'm
not
thinking
that
there
was
some
sort
of
a
religion
that
spread
around
the
world
and
produced
these
figures,
but
rather
that
humans
being
humans,
we
have
certain
ways
of
doing
things.
And
the
same
ideas
come
out
over
and
over
again.
And
so
the
Venus
figures
are
in
many
ways
universal.
And
partly
this
is
because
of
simply
biology.
So

(02:50):
many
AI
smart,
long
lived
creatures
have
what
are
known
as
female
bonded
systems
where
you
have
related
females
and
then
the
male
coming
in
from
the
outside,
for
example,
lionesses,
right?
So
lionesses
are
all
related
and
the
male
is
coming
in
from
outside
unrelated
just
to
avoid
any
kind
of

(03:11):
incest
problems.
And
it
means
that
the
females
work
together
on
purpose
because
they're
all
sisters.
And
so
there's
many
female
bonded
systems
that
end
up
with
very
strong
matriarchal
leaders
of
groups.
For
example,
whales
or
elephants.
Long
live
matriarchs
lead
the
herd,
teach
the
younger
ones
how
to
do
everything,
and
are
the
center
of

(03:31):
essentially
the
power.
The
males
might
be
part
of
that
group
or
they
might
be
coming
in
from
the
outside
periodically,
but
they're
often
much
more
on
their
own
and
a
different
kind
of
figure.
So
the
the
females
are
the
the
essentially
what
brings
the
society
together
and
unifies
them.
And
so
this
is
why
I
think
that
the
goddess
figures
were
so
important
universally

(03:51):
and
were
understood
as
the
essence
of
where,
where,
where
culture
came
from.
In
the
Western
tradition,
the
goddess
was
represented
as
a
goddess
of
love
and
fertility.
We
see
this
in
Babylon,
Sumeria,
with
Inanna
switching
to
Ishtar.

(04:12):
A
starts
in
the
Assyrian
religions,
and
then
to
Venus
in
Greece
and
Rome
and
so
these
are
these
are
forms
of
the
goddess.
There's
other
forms
the
goddess
can
take
other
than
just
love
and
fertility. 676 00:04:29,287 --> 00:00:00,-01 Eric:
What
you're
what
you're
drawing
here
is
a
straight
line. 687 00:04:32,037 --> 00:00:00,-01 Dr. Josh Stout:
A
straight
line.

(04:32):
One
God
becomes
one
goddess
becomes. 697 00:04:34,527 --> 00:00:00,-01 Eric:
Historic
times
to
record
it. 703 00:04:38,347 --> 00:00:00,-01 Dr. Josh Stout:
It's
hard
to
know
exactly
how
you
get
from
10,000
years
ago
to
5000
years
ago.
There's
a
bit
of
a
gap
there.
But
if
you
look
during
that
time,
Venus
figures
never
stop
appearing
and
they
become
a
named
goddess
that
we
can
read
about
as

(04:52):
soon
as
we
get
writing
under
under
the
Babylonians.
And
so
they
tell
us
what
they
were
writing
about.
It's
not
just
we
imagine
it
before
the
Babylonians.
We're
kind
of
imagining
what
these
figures
are.
After
the
Babylonians,
we
have
written
language
and
we
know
exactly
what
they
are.
And
so
they
are
goddesses,
gods,
goddesses
of
of
love
and
fertility
different
from,
say,
the
Earth,
Gaia

(05:13):
or
Demeter
nature
itself.
Those
are
other
aspects
of
the
goddess.
I'm
not
denying
that.
Those
are
aspects
of
the
goddess,
but
I'm
mostly
focusing
on
these
love
and
fertility
represented
by
these.
The
Venus
figures,
as
they're
called.
The
symbol
was
the
star
Venus
or
the
planet
Venus.
So
the
brightest
star
planet
people
wouldn't
really
have
known.
The
difference

(05:33):
was
Venus.
And
so
it
was
the
ruler
of
the
heavens.
Originally,
she
was
a
war
goddess
with
her
symbol
being
the
owl.
So
later
we
see. 907 00:05:45,027 --> 00:00:00,-01 Eric:
Venus
was
a
war
gods.
Well. 914 00:05:47,787 --> 00:00:00,-01 Dr. Josh Stout:
Ishtar
Inanna
was
a
war
goddess
in
very
warlike
Sumerian,

(05:54):
you
know,
Assyrian
culture.
And
so
she
was
a
war
goddess,
and
she
her
symbol
was
the
owl.
So
later
we
see
this
in
in
Greek
mythology,
where
the
war
goddess
becomes
Athena
Minerva,
with
her
symbol
being
the
owl
and
gets
separated
from
Venus.
And
so
Venus
starts
being
separated
from

(06:14):
this
idea
of
technology
and
war
and
wisdom. 985 00:06:17,847 --> 00:00:00,-01 Eric:
When
does
this
happen? 990 00:06:19,257 --> 00:00:00,-01 Dr. Josh Stout:
In
classical
period.
So
this
is
this
is
this
is
this
is
this
is
under
under
Greece.
Okay.
But
but
Venus
still
has
this
idea
of
being
on
the
moon
and
Venus
that
the
planet
and
being
a

(06:34):
powerful
symbol
of
fertility.
Venus
can
still
start
the
Trojan
War.
So
there's
still
a
warlike
aspect
to
her.
You
know,
she's
she's
the
reason
that
everyone
has
to
go
and
destroy
Troy
and
get
Helen.
And
so
there
is
absolutely
that
aspect
to
it.
But
in
the
Trojan
War,
they
talk
about

(06:54):
the
conflict
between
Athena
and
Venus.
These
are
these
are
two
sides
of
the
goddess
in
conflict.
And
you
can
see
these
symbols
as
as
as
really,
really
different.
So
the
male
symbol
is
the
sun.
The
sun
is
constant
and
the
sun
is
brutal.
At
nighttime
in
the
desert,
the
moon
comes
out.
It's
much
more
peaceful.
It's
it's

(07:14):
much
more
forgiving.
It's
it's
a
it's
sort
of
a
blessing.
And
then
when
the
sun
goes
down,
but
the
moon
and
the
Venus,
they
move
around
through
the
sky
much
more
than
the
sun
does.
They're
there
they
go
and
they
come
back.
They
disappear
periodically.
They're
they're
very
different
kind
of
thing
than
the
sun
is.
The
sun
is
constant
and
brutal.

(07:34):
Whereas
the
the
the
moon
and
Venus
are
changeable
and
and
much
more
forgiving.
Also,
people
must
have
noticed
that
there
was
a
relation
between
human
fertility
cycles
and
the
moon's
cycle.
Right.
These
were
these
were
very
similar
periods
of
time
and
seem
to
be
linked.
And
so

(07:54):
people
would
have
very
directly
connected
human
fertility
with
what
they
were
seeing
happening
in
the
in
the
celestial
world.
While
Venus
figures
were
common,
the
male
figures
in
the
early
part,
apparently
the
Paleolithic
times
would
have
been
rare
to
nonexistent.
One
of
the
few
examples
is
the
the

(08:14):
Leuven
mentioned
the
Lyon
man,
and
he's
a
Lyon
headed
figure
with
a
man's
body.
And
this
would
be
sort
of
a
rare
example,
but
you
see
other
similar
examples.
So
a
minotaur
or
the
lion
headed
man,
these
are
sort
of
the
figures
that
we
see.
And
they've
often
been
called
sorcerers
because
they

(08:34):
they
represent
a
sort
of
transformational
power.
They
probably
were
the
shamanic
traditions.
Many
shamanic
traditions
have
the
idea
of
taking
on
an
animal's
power,
but
they're
rare.
These
are
the
this
is
the
male's
power,
the
transformation
into
an
animal
different
from
the
female
power
and
probably
associated
with
this
idea
of
sort
of
the
brutality
of

(08:54):
of
of
the
male
sun
God
kind
of
strength,
but
danger
in
the
shamanic
tradition,
these
trances
are
to
become
an
animal
are
often
associated
with
visions
and

(09:15):
with
a
visions
coming
into
the
mind
of
the
shaman.
And
these
could
have
been
done
through
through
visualization,
chanting,
meditation,
even
dancing.
But
most
commonly,
in
shamanic
traditions,
this
was
done
with
the
use
of
hallucinogens.
And
so
we
understand
that
pretty
strongly

(09:35):
in
terms
of
the
shame
and
taking
the
looseness
and
going
on
on
that
sort
of
vision.
QUEST
But
we've
left
behind
a
lot
of
our
understanding
of
the
the
female
side
of
that.
So
in
my
opinion,
I
have
some
evidence
for
this.
But
it
is
it
is
difficult,
obvious,
to
to
document

(09:56):
oral
traditions.
This
is
what
witches
were.
So
witches
were
taking
toad
skins,
drying
them
out,
mixing
them
with
various
fats,
putting
them
on
their
broomsticks,
getting
naked
and
riding
the
broomsticks
as
a
way
of
getting
the
toad
skins
through
their
mucous
membranes.

(10:16):
And
so
this
is
how
they
are
applying
the
hallucinogens.
If
you
just
ate
the
toad
skin,
it
would
kill
you
there.
All
sorts
of
cardio
glycosides.
It
stops
your
heart.
Very
dangerous
stuff.
But
if
you
can
take
it
in
without
dying,
then
you
get
the
effects.
Very
similar
to
the
hallucinogen
DMT,
whose
classic
classic
effect
is
that
of
being

(10:37):
basically
shot
into
space
and
flying.
And
so
they. 1659 00:10:40,767 --> 00:00:00,-01 Eric:
Couldn't
just
put
it
in
their
mouths
and
so. 1669 00:10:43,017 --> 00:00:00,-01 Dr. Josh Stout:
They
would
die.
They
would
die.
There
was
a
there
was
a
classic. 1683 00:10:45,507 --> 00:00:00,-01 Eric:
Sucking
on
that
that
would.
Wow. 1690 00:10:47,307 --> 00:00:00,-01 Dr. Josh Stout:
Yeah.
So,
so
so
there
was
a
classic
witch
trial
where
a
witch
was
on
trial
and
she
got
some
of
this
magical
substance
and
she
ate
it.
And
she
flew
away
during
the
trial,
meaning
she
committed
suicide
so
she
wouldn't

(10:57):
be
tortured
to
death.
And
but
she
was
described
in
the
Middle
Ages
what
she
was
doing
as
having
kept
some
of
her
magic
potion
on
her
body
somewhere
and
putting
it
into
her
mouth
during
the
trial
and
dying.
Wow.
Yeah.
And
flying
away
is
how
they
described
it.
So
so
they
absolutely
knew
what
they
were
doing.
They
were
very

(11:17):
good
at
it.
They
knew
how
to
prepare
these
things.
They
knew
what
facts
to
use.
You
know,
we
see
all
these
things
in
in
things
like,
you
know,
bubble,
bubble
toil
and
trouble.
I
you
know,
all
that.
I
probably
just
misquoted
it.
But
the
idea
of
of
of
having,
you
know,
the
newts,
the
eye
of
newts
and
the
toad
skins
going
into
the
witch's
broth
are
where
this
power

(11:37):
comes
from.
And
you
see
it
in
Alberich
Dürer's
paintings
and
many
other
paintings
from
the
time
you
see
a
witch
working
at
a
mortar
and
pestle. 1894 00:11:45,177 --> 00:00:00,-01 Eric:
So
they
were.
They
were
tripping.
Yes.
But
there
was
also
a
religious
element. 1909 00:11:51,897 --> 00:00:00,-01 Dr. Josh Stout:
Absolutely.
Yes.
And
they
and
so
classically
the
witches
would
be
dancing
naked
around
a
fire

(11:57):
while
wild
while
hallucinating,
and
they
would
be
flying.
And
so
sometimes
they
would
be
inside.
They
would
fly
out
the
chimney.
Right.
So
these
are
spirits
all
flying,
flying
on
their
brooms. 1959 00:12:09,207 --> 00:00:00,-01 Eric:
We
call
it. 1963 00:12:09,717 --> 00:00:00,-01 Dr. Josh Stout:
Tripping.
Yes.
But
they
were
flying
on
their
brooms.
Yeah.
And
people
understood
this
in
the
Middle
Ages.
It's
what
witches
did.
So
what?
So
when
that
witch

(12:17):
committed
suicide,
they
understood
her
as
flying
away.
There
was
still
a
body
there,
but
she'd
left.
And
so
this
is.
This
is
how
flying
on
brooms
arose.
Originally,
the
brooms
were
smaller,
often
called
batons
or
wands,
and
these
wands
would
have
been
basically

(12:38):
like
like
a
dildo
and
able
to
be
used
in
that
way.
We
see
the
same
thing
in
the
Palaeolithic
sites.
We
have
a
lot
of
very
phallic
shaped
and
sized
batons.
We
don't
know
what
they
were
for,
but
we
often
find
them
with
watermarks
on
the
tips
where
they
were
ground.
And
so
they
were
they
were
the
things
used
in
the
mortar
and
pestle.
So
it
would
have
been

(12:58):
a
phallus
and
an
open
dish.
Being
being
the
mortar,
you
would
grind
your
magical
substances
in
there.
Many
of
the
early
medieval
depictions
show
a
rainbows
and
stars
flying
out
of
the
mortar
and
pestle
and
which
is
flying
up
in
the
sky.
So
this
was
clearly
what
was
what
was
happening.
And
I
think
there
is
there
is
there's
there's
decent

(13:18):
evidence
that
this
was
this
was
really
happening,
but
associated
with
the
witches
flying
on
their
brooms.
There
were
occasionally
men
who
are
being
transformed
into
animals.
Men
don't
have
the
same
anatomy
that
women
do.
So
this
might
have
been
one
of
the
limiting
factors.
If
a
man
was
going
to
take
this
into
a
mucous
membrane,
it
would
have
to
be
done

(13:38):
in
a
different
way,
couldn't
be
done
in
the
mouth.
So
this
was
probably
one
of
the
one
of
the
limiting
aspects
of
it
throughout
the
Middle
Ages.
This
became
a
powerful
understanding
of
sort
of
the
dark
arts.
It
was
it
became
what
was
known
as
Satan
worship.
And
so
it
was
vile.
Fergus
knocked
and
the
black
mass

(13:59):
and
these
were
well
understood
traditions
in
the
Middle
Ages
where
they
had
a
people
would
dress
in
white
robes,
they
would
bring
their
children,
the
children
would
gather
toads,
and
the
children
would
be
they
would
draw
a
circle
on
the
ground,
put
the
toads
in
the
middle
of
the
circle
and
say,
Watch
these
toads.
And
so
the
children's
job
during
the
black
mass
was
to

(14:19):
sit
there
and
make
sure
the
toads
stayed
inside
the
circle.
Those
were
clearly
the
toads
for
the
next
year
they
would
be
then,
you
know,
the
skins
would
be
dried
and
used
in
next
year's
black
mass.
But
then
the
actual
black
mass
they
would
leave
the
children
behind,
watch
the
toads.
Sort
of
a
great
job.
Di
you
ever
have
a
toddler
to
say,
Here,
make
this
toad
stay
in
this
circle.
That's
your
job.
Watch
it.
You're
good.
Then
they
would
go.
They
take
off
their
clothes.

(14:40):
Everyone
was
naked.
It's
mostly
women,
few
men.
One
of
the
classic
things
in
the
Black
Sabbath
was
a
man
would
be
upside
down
in
a
devil's
costume,
and
everyone
had
to
kiss
the
devil's
butt.
And
he
was
so
he
would
be
standing
on
his
head
and
he
would
put
his
lips
right
where
the
back
was
and
everyone
would
have
to
kiss
the
button.
They
would
they
would
kiss
the
actual
lips

(15:00):
of
the
guy
upside
down.
And
these
were
ideas
of
inversion
and
and
sort
of
taking
everything
and
turning
it
upside
down.
But
what
was
really
happening
was
everyone
was
having
a
great
all
party
dancing
around
a
fire
and
out
of
their
minds
on
these
hallucinogens
having
a
really
wonderful
time.
And
you
could
see
how
this
was
freaking
out.
The
Catholic
Church.
This
was
not
something

(15:20):
that
a
Catholic
Church
could
be
okay
with.
It
was
way
too
fun
and
way
too
much
nudity. 2614 00:15:26,577 --> 00:00:00,-01 Eric:
I
have
to
imagine
that
they
they
would
have
ignored
it
at
first
and
then
realised
they
needed
to
kill
it. 2636 00:15:33,477 --> 00:00:00,-01 Dr. Josh Stout:
Well,
yes.
And
this
and
so
it
actually
gets
worse
and
worse
as
we
move
towards
a
as
the
age
of
reason
and
as
we
leave

(15:40):
behind
the
Middle
Ages
where
there
was
still
a
fair
amount
of
of
Mary
worship
and
the
female
saints
and
cults
of
the
saints
and
cults
of
female
groups.
Now
we're
moving
into
a
time
when
all
of
these
must
be
crushed.
And
so
the
Inquisition
starts.
And
it's
a
time
to
show
you
exactly.
And
it's
a
time
to
really
get
rid
of
all
of
these

(16:00):
backwards
ideas
which
were
specifically
female
powered
and
involved
a
lot
of
fun
and
nudity
and
tripping
out
of
their
minds.
And
so
what
we
see
taken
from
the
classical
world
in
the
Renaissance
is
the
Venus
figures.
But
but
stripped
of
all
of
their
sort
of
magical
aspects,
what
we
have
is
stripped. 2784 00:16:20,547 --> 00:00:00,-01 Eric:
Of

(16:20):
their. 2787 00:16:20,847 --> 00:00:00,-01 Dr. Josh Stout:
Power,
of
their
power.
So
we
have
Venus,
a
love
goddess,
as
Venus
included.
Sorry,
Venus,
Plutarch,
Venus,
Plutarch
means
the
shameful
Venus.
And
so
she's
covering
her
breasts
with
one
hand
and
her
crotch
with
the
other
one,
but
also
accentuating
them.
It's
very
much
almost
like
the
the
figure
of
Marilyn
Monroe
pushing
down
her
dress.
It's
like,
Oh,
don't
look

(16:40):
at
me.
That's
that's
Venus
Boudica.
And
so
that. 2860 00:16:43,107 --> 00:00:00,-01 Eric:
Yeah.
Or
the
were
the
the
modern
evangelical
wife
who
needs
to
basically. 2874 00:16:50,457 --> 00:00:00,-01 Dr. Josh Stout:
Well,
none
of
these
were
these. 2881 00:16:51,647 --> 00:00:00,-01 Eric:
These
maybe,
but
also
be
ultra
sexual. 2889 00:16:54,117 --> 00:00:00,-01 Dr. Josh Stout:
Yes.
Okay.
Fair
enough.
I
see
we're
trying
to
get
to.
So
these
were
these
were
very. 2907 00:16:57,927 --> 00:00:00,-01 Eric:
Sexy
by
symbol.
Hiding. 2912 00:16:59,847 --> 00:00:00,-01 Dr. Josh Stout:
By
hiding.
Yeah,
exactly. 2917 00:17:00,927 --> 00:00:00,-01 Eric:

(17:00):
Essentially
accentuating. 2920 00:17:02,217 --> 00:00:00,-01 Dr. Josh Stout:
It.
Right.
And
so
when
in
the
early
19th
century,
they
started
discovering
these
early
Paleolithic
Venus
figures,
they
called
them
Venus
imputed
to
the
shameless
Venus
because
they
were
displaying
their
genitals
and
they
were
not
trying
to
cover
themselves.
And
so
that
was
their
was
really
seen
as
a
conflict
between

(17:21):
the
the
the
hidden
the
sexuality
of
women
and
the
totally
exposed
sexuality
of
women.
And
at
this
time,
the
understanding
of
the
goddess
becomes
hidden
and
starts
to
be
repressed.
S
I
start
Ishtar
in
the
in
the

(17:41):
about
the
1450s
the
Renaissance
gets
mistranslated
into
a
male
figure.
Someone's
translating
from
the
Hebrew
and
translates
her
into
the
demon
aster
off.
So
it
becomes
a
male
demon
and
is
no
longer
female.
Same
symbol,
same
Venus
symbol,

(18:01):
but
is
now
a
male
demon. 3059 00:18:02,747 --> 00:00:00,-01 Eric:
The
female
goddess
of
basically
creation
and
destruction
who
becomes
a
male
demon. 3073 00:18:09,687 --> 00:00:00,-01 Dr. Josh Stout:
Becomes
a
male
demon
without
changing
her,
her
his
symbol.
And
I
sort
of
like
Astrup
because
he's
got
this
sort
of
trans
aspect
to
him.
And
he
also
has
a
lot
of
interesting
other
characteristics.

(18:21):
So
he's
kind
of
my
favorite
demon.
He
his
temptation
is
that
you
believe
the
evidence
of
your
senses,
right?
So
in
the
Middle
Ages,
faith
was
all
based
on
what
isn't
the
evidence
of
your
senses.
And
so
if
you
believe
the
evidence
three
senses,
then
you
lose
faith.
And
so
his
temptation
was
believe
what
you
see,
believe
what
you
hear.
You
know,
believe
reality
around
you.

(18:43):
He
teaches
math.
Math
is
the
aspect
of
of
astrology.
Right?
These
are
these
are
ways
we
we
work
with
the
physical
world
at
while
while
ignoring
all
all
the
invisible
world
around
us.
He
answers
any
questions.
So
any
question
put
to
him,
he
will
answer
it.
And
he
gives
dominion
over
the
America.
So
1450s.

(19:03):
Right?
So
this
is
exactly
when
the
Americas
are
being
discovered.
He's
the
Demon
of
the
Americas,
and
he
happens
to
also
give
you
control
over
snakes.
So
he
said
he's
a
great
sort
of
all
around
demon
for
for
math,
science
and
the
Americas
and
snakes
and
snakes,
which
was
always
a
female
symbol
up
until
now.
But
now,
now
we've
transferred

(19:23):
that
female
symbol
into
into,
into
a
male
symbol.
But
let's
not
forget
that
he
is
a
demon
and
demons
are
dangerous.
So
he's
the
demon
of
the
temptation
of
science
and
the
academic
approach
to
things
where
you
get
Dr.
Faustus.
So
Dr.
Faustus
was
tempted
by
the
devil
into
getting
all
knowledge
right.
That

(19:43):
was
how
he
sold
his
soul.
This
is.
This
is,
after
all,
this
temptation.
And
so
where
do
we
see
this?
This
is
this
is
what
we
just
saw
in
the
movie.
Oppenheimer
So
this
is
this
is
Oppenheimer's
I
following
of
the
religion
of
pure
science
and
math.
The
physical
world
is
no
longer
this
sort
of
voluptuous
goddess.
It
is
something
to
be
analyze

(20:04):
and
becomes
demonic
in
many
ways,
and
it
provides
power.
Demons
are
powerful,
demons
are
not
weak.
And
so
this
is
this
is
the
Oppenheimer
Demon
that,
again,
my
favorite
demon,
but
one
to
be
careful
of
somewhat
of
a
demon
of
for
modern
times,
being
being
trans,
being
the
Americas,
being
math
and
science.
I
totally

(20:24):
support
all
of
these
things.
But
a
warning
for
us
that
it
is
a
demon
and
that
these
powers
are
demonic
and
dangerous
as
well,
and
was
really
a
part
of
a
concerted
effort
to
remove
the
female
power
from
our
understanding
of
the
world
itself.
Right.
But
the
world
had
been
female.
Gaia

(20:45):
was
female.
Geology,
the
study
of
gas.
So
this
is
moving
away
from
nature
being
a
female
mystery
to
nature
being
physics
and
solvable
and
purely
material
and
governed
by
math.
That's
the
demon
aster
off.
It's
all
part
of
this
sort
of
new

(21:06):
scientific
approach
to
the
world.
The
earth
in
nature
had
been
female,
but
now
we
know
nature
is
a
source
of
resources.
It
is
to
be
exploited.
It
has
no
value
in
its
own.
It's
just
the
things
we
can
pull
from
it.
We
have
we
have
physics,
which
literally
means
nature,
but
we've
left
behind
nature.
Yeah,

(21:26):
exactly.
And
we've
and
we've
transformed
it
into
a
very
abstract
kind
of
symbology.
So
we
represent
it
using
math.
And
so
this
is
the
world
we
live
in.
This
is
the
world
of
astronomy.
One
of
the
three
arch
dukes
of,
of,
of,
of,
of
hell.
So
there's
as
Amadeus,
there's
Lucifer,
and
there's
Aster,
and
those
are
the
three
Archduke's.

(21:47):
And
this
was
not
the
only,
the
only
demon
to,
to,
to
rise
during
this
period
from,
from
a
goddess.
And
for
sort
of
similar
reasons,
one
of
the
sort
of
lesser
goddesses
of
the
classical
period
was
known
as
Balbo.
Balbo
is
represented
often
as
basically
a
vulva
on
legs.

(22:08):
So
the
the
opposite
of,
say,
the
the
the
walking
phallus.
Right.
So
you
see
those
many
times
in
in
classical
imagery
she
was
the
opposite
of
that.
And
when
Demeter
was
having
real
difficulties
and
I
think
this
was
when
perceptions
had
been
stolen
and
so
Demeter
was
was
sad,
the
world
was
dying,
everything
was
cold.

(22:29):
Balbo
lifted
up
her
skirt
to
show
her
Demeter,
her
vulva
Demeter
thought
it
was
hilariously
funny.
And
this
was
the
beginning
of
everything
getting
better
again.
And
it
was
the
the
idea
of,
of,
of
the
female
power
being
not
just
good,
but
but
also
funny
and
and
bringing
humor
into
the
world.

(22:50):
Balbo
also
got
made
into
a
demon,
so
Balbo
suddenly
became
evil,
and
exposing
yourself
was
a
way
to
drive
away
evil.
So
there's
many
medieval
examples
of
a
woman
lifting
up
her
skirt
to
scare
away
a
devil
or
to
scare
away
entire
armies
through
through
exposing
yourself.
And
so

(23:10):
we
go
from
a
concept
of
I. 3917 00:23:14,307 --> 00:00:00,-01 Eric:
That
doesn't
sound
like
it's
funny
or
fun
anymore
that
that
right. 3930 00:23:18,387 --> 00:00:00,-01 Dr. Josh Stout:
So
we've
we've
transformed
from
what
was
a
sort
of
attractive,
amusing
secret
of,
of
female
power.
Exposing
your
vulva
to
the
world
was
was

(23:30):
one
of
the
essences
of
these
female
cults
which
didn't
write
anything
down.
So
we
have
very
little
of
their
information
and
it's
transformed
into
an
app
which
something
in
terms
turns
away
evil.
And
so
there
are
in
many
medieval
churches,
there
is
a
woman
exposing
her
vulva
at
the
at
the
door
of
the
church.
And
I
thought
that
was
sort
of
welcoming.
They
didn't
mean
it
that

(23:50):
way.
They
meant
stay
away,
devils.
You'll
be
scared
by
this,
this,
this
vulva.
And
so
we,
we've,
we've
transformed
our,
our,
our,
our,
our
love
of
of
of
fertility
and
female
anatomy.
And
we've
turned
it
into
this
thing
that
scares
this
away
or
is
in
some
way
completely
turned
into
merely
math
and

(24:10):
physics. 4082 00:24:11,217 --> 00:00:00,-01 Eric:
Why,
why
do
we
turn
everything
into
its
opposite?
Why
we
we
can't
live
with
we
can't
have
good
we
can't
have
nice
things. 4107 00:24:18,717 --> 00:00:00,-01 Dr. Josh Stout:
I
know
it's
it's
very
much
in
our
nature
and
it
seems
to
be
a
project
we've
going
going
on
for
quite
some
time.
But
again,
I
don't
think
this
is
a
conspiracy.
When
we
when
we
get
these
things
in
our
head,

(24:31):
there's
not
some
group
of
men
that
says,
let's
get
rid
of
women.
They
get
the
idea
that
that
all
of
these
things
associated
with
women
are
bad
and
so
they
just
automatically
get
turned
into
demons.
So
I
a
start
as
a
love. 4195 00:24:45,987 --> 00:00:00,-01 Eric:
Where
does
that
idea
come
from
that
things
associated
with
women
and
feminine
energy
and
power
are
bad

(24:51):
That's
that's
a
good
question. 4219 00:24:52,837 --> 00:00:00,-01 Dr. Josh Stout:
It's
it
was
essentially
the
project
of
of
of
the
birth
of
the
intellect. 4234 00:24:59,037 --> 00:00:00,-01 Eric:
What's
the
difference
of
between
that
and
let's
get
rid
of
women
I
mean
it
seems
it's
it
was
me. 4255 00:25:04,587 --> 00:00:00,-01 Dr. Josh Stout:
Well
there
was
no
one
saying
let's
do
this,
okay?
It
was
just
the
way
we
felt. 4273 00:25:08,667 --> 00:00:00,-01 Eric:
Just
the
way
everyone
seemed
to
know
how
to
go. 4284 00:25:11,427 --> 00:00:00,-01 Dr. Josh Stout:

(25:11):
Exactly.
Yeah.
So.
So
someone
starts
reading
something
in
Hebrew
and
just
writes
it
down
as
a
male
word
instead
of
a
female
word.
It
wasn't.
Someone
said,
We
need
to
make
this
female
male.
It's
just
it
seemed
more
natural
that
that
person
to
be
be
that
that
deity,
be
male
now
and
be
a
demon.
Same
with
Balbo.
So
when
you
see
Balbo
exposing
herself
in

(25:31):
a
classical
illustration,
it
was
seen
as
good.
But
by
the
Middle
Ages
you
see
a
woman
exposing
herself.
There's
something
dangerous
there,
it's
evil.
And
so
the
same
character
gets
turned
into
a
at
best
Apertura
park
and
often
just
an
actual
demon
of
sexuality. 4399 00:25:50,247 --> 00:00:00,-01 Eric:
And
so
again,

(25:51):
we
can't
have
nice
things. 4408 00:25:53,187 --> 00:00:00,-01 Dr. Josh Stout:
Yeah,
So
we
were,
we
were,
we
were
sort
of
in
this
project
of
taking
all
of
the
the
powerful
female
figures
and
turning
them
into
demons
in
some
way
and
leaving
behind
this,
this,
this,
this,
this
world
of
female
powers.
Again,
not
a
conspiracy,
but

(26:12):
just
the
way
the
entire
project
was
working.
We
had
and
you
can
kind
of
understand
it.
We
were
trying
to
move
away
from
magic
so
we
could
start
understanding
science
if
we
hadn't
moved
towards
believing
the
evidence
of
our
senses
and
believing
math
and
understanding
that
we
wouldn't
get
to
where
we
are
now,
but
thinking
where
we
are
now.
We
did
this
at
the
expense
of

(26:32):
giving
up
the
goddess.
And
many
of
the
places
that
we've
gotten
to
today
are
not
so
great.
Probably
because
of
the
way
the
project
has
gone. 4552 00:26:40,567 --> 00:00:00,-01 Eric:
The
absence
of
the
goddess,
Right? 4559 00:26:42,057 --> 00:00:00,-01 Dr. Josh Stout:
So
I
like
to
think
of
humans
as
sort
of
these
strange
dreamers
where
we
give
messages
to
ourselves.
These
things
are
not
conscious.
Jung
talked
about
these
things
in
the
unconscious.
I'm
not
sure
if

(26:52):
I
would
see
it
quite
this
way.
I
don't
know
if
they're
archetypes,
but
they're
certainly
things
that
arise
over
and
over
again,
like
the
Venus
figures
arose
all
over
the
world
because
we're
humans
and
this
is
the
way
we
think.
And
so
we
leave
messages
to
ourselves.
We
leave
these
hidden
messages.
Often
the
hidden
messages
say
specifically
look
for
hidden
messages.
So
think
about
Luke
Skywalker
looking

(27:12):
out
at
the
horizon
at
the
moon.
This
is
saying
we
need
to
go
look
out.
We
need
to
go
look
for
the
world.
We
need
to
see
what's
out
there.
We
need
to
go
explore.
We
need
to
leave
our
home.
We
need
to
go
on
the
hero's
journey.
We
need
to
figure
out
what's
out
there.
This
these
are
hidden
messages
to
ourselves
saying,
go
look
for
the
messages
out
there
in
the
world.

(27:32):
But
what?
What
was
the
female
equivalent
of
that?
If
that's
the
hero's
journey,
what's
the
heroine's
journey?
There
was
a
woman,
her
name
is
Maureen
Murdoch,
and
she
came
up
with
the
heroine's
journey.
I
don't
think
she's
actually
quite
right,
but
I
get
what
she's
trying
to
do
and
I
think
she's
on

(27:52):
the
right
track.
So
what
she
describes
as
the
the
the
patriarchal
values
inhibit
women
from
understanding
their
own
matriarchal
values
and
their
own
matriarchal
worth.
And
so
women
are
repressed
and
they
go
through
a
spiritual
death.
The
spiritual
death
is

(28:13):
them
losing
their
own
inner
power.
And
then
they
need
to
reclaim
they
go
on
some
sort
of
spiritual
journey
and
they
reclaim
their
spiritual
power
and
they
reunite
with
the
sacred
goddess.
That's
that's
that's
Maureen
Murdoch's
version
of
this.
I
don't
think
she's
completely
wrong,
but
I
think
she's
wrong.

(28:33):
So
allow
me
to
mansplain.
So
I
don't
really
see
recovering
from
being
crushed
by
a
patriarchy
and
rediscovering
the
goddess
within
you
as
evidence
in
a
lot
of
the
fairy
tales.
I
don't
actually.

(28:53):
I
can't
actually
think
of
a
good
example
of
that
specific
movement.
So
it
would
be
a
female
coming
of
age,
being
crushed
by
the
patriarchy
to
be
reborn
in
an
understanding
of
the
goddess.
Don't
see
it,
can't
find
an
example
of
that.
So
I
thought
to
myself,
if
the
heroine's
journey
is
universal
and
something
we
all
understand

(29:14):
already,
I
don't
need
to
do
a
lot
of
research.
I
already
know
the
answer
to
this.
What
is
the
heroine's
journey?
It
is
something
I
must
already
know
because
it
is
everywhere
around
me.
If
it's
everywhere
around
me
and
it's
a
major
theme
and
plot
within
everything
that
we
see
around
us.
Disney's
already
done
examples
of
it.
So
what
is
it?
What

(29:34):
is
this
thing
that
Disney
has
must
have
already
done
that
is
the
heroine's
journey,
not
the
hero's
journey?
Luke
Skywalker
We're
talking
about
something
different
now.
It's
the
Wizard
of
Oz.
So
what
is
the
Wizard
of
Oz
as
the
heroine's
journey?
First
of
all,
female
main
character
parents
and
society
boss
you
around
tell
you
what
to
do.

(29:55):
You
go
through
some
sort
of
profound
change,
and
when
you
do
go
through
this
profound
change,
you
discover
that
the
well-meaning
men
in
your
life
who
all
have
all
your
best
interests
at
heart
have
been
lying
to
you,
and
they've
been
lying
to
you
to
keep
you
safe,
to
keep
you
home,
to
to,
to
to
make
sure
that
you
don't
get
in
any
trouble.
And

(30:15):
they've
been
doing
this
with
your
best
interests
at
heart.
And
you
realize
that
these
were
lying
lies.
You
leave
these
lies
behind
and
you
discover
that
the
power
was
in
you
all
along.
And
so
that's
the
central
Disney
theme
really
in
many
ways
that
the
power
was
in
you
all
along.
And
that
is,
in
my
opinion,
the
essence
of
the
hero's
journey.
It's
not
so
much

(30:36):
our
reconnecting
with
the
goddess,
but
realising
that
you
are
the
goddess.
You,
you
these
powers
are
within
you
and
have
always
been
and
men
have
been
lying
to
you
for
your
own
best
interest.
These
are
not
evil
men.
These
are
nice
people.
These
are
your
father's
and
brothers
and
husbands.
But
they've
been
lying
to
you.
And
this
is.
This
is
where
we've
gotten
to
in
society.

(30:56):
So
we've
been
lying
to
ourselves
and
crushing
the
goddess
within
our
society
for
good
reasons,
not
because
of
an
evil
conspiracy,
which
is
often
seen
as 5344 00:00:00,-01 --> 00:31:06,057 , but 5345 00:00:00,-01 --> 00:00:00,-01
because
we
needed
to
go
certain
places.
And
part
of
that
involved
lying
to
women.
And
so
now
I
would
I
would
say
we
we
need
to
move
beyond
that.
So
another

(31:16):
example,
you
know,
if
you
think
of
the
power
within
you
all
along
in
modern
cinema,
one
interesting
example
is
The
Matrix,
which
doesn't
involve
a
female
main
character.
And
it
didn't
fit
into
my
into
my
sort
of
schema
until
until
I
was
reading
that
the
writers
directors
were
trans

(31:36):
and
they
produced
the
Matrix
as
are
yes,
sorry,
are
trans
and
they
produced
the
Matrix
as,
as,
as,
as
a,
as
a
trans
myth.
And
so
the
power
was
in
you
all
along.
And
so
it
really
is
the
heroine's
journey
as,
as
a
man
going
through
the
heroine's
journey
because
the
man
isn't
really
a
man
or
never
was
a
man.

(31:57):
This,
this
is
in
very
many
ways
astrof
this,
this
is
this,
this
is
this
is
the
journey
of
Astrof.
My
favorite
example
is
is
Angela
Lansbury
in
Bedknobs
and
Broomsticks.
So
she
discovers
she
has
powers.
She
is
a
witch.

(32:18):
She
discovers
that
the
man
selling
her
the
magical
spells
is
actually
a
con
man.
He's
been
lying
to
her
the
whole
time.
The
powers
are
hers.
The
magic
is
hers.
It's
not
provided
by
the
man.
And
she
ends
up
having
to
go
on
a
quest
to
another
world.
She
has
to
go
into
this
magical
world.
They
go
down,

(32:38):
you
know,
under
the
sea
to
find
the
island
of
the
bamboo.
And
what
do
they
find?
They
find
a
lion
king
ruling
the
island
island
of
the
bamboo,
wearing
the
star
of
Aster
off.
And
she
has
to
get
the
star
of
Aster
off
from
this
Lion
King.
She
has
become
Inanna.
Inanna,
The
the

(32:59):
Sumerian
goddess
steals
powers
from
Hamish
from
the
the
the
the
sun.
God,
what
is
what
is
his
actual
name?
Oh,
I
have
it
in
here
somewhere.
Shamash
Sorry,
I
confused
you. 5682 00:33:18,477 --> 00:00:00,-01 Eric:
Referring
to
notes
is

(33:19):
fine. 5688 00:33:20,457 --> 00:00:00,-01 Dr. Josh Stout:
So
she
steals
her
powers
from
Shamash
the
King
of
the
Sun.
Those
powers
are
the
powers
of
eye
of
civilization
itself.
All
the
good
and
bad
that
comes
from
civilization
are
the
powers
that
Inanna
stole
from
Shamash
the
sun.
And
so
this
is.
This
is
one
of
the
sources
of
the
Goddess
power,
is
that
she
becomes

(33:39):
the
good
and
the
bad
of
civilization.
And
so
what
does
what
does
Angela
Lansbury
do?
She
unfortunately,
as
an
actress,
I
cannot
see
any
of
the
sex
aspects
of
Inanna
in
her,
but
she
has
basically
all
of
the
other
aspects
of
it.
She
uses
the
Star
of
Aster
Off,
which
she
has
stolen
from
the
Sun
King

(34:00):
to
call
up
the
powers
of
Britain's
past
war.
So
the
the
actual
inanimate
objects
from
Britain's
past
past
wars
have
a
animating
spirit
within
them,
which
she
brings
out,
and
she
uses
them
to
drive
the
Nazis
back
into
the
sea.
So
very
much
she
has
become
the
war

(34:20):
goddess
Inanna,
and
she
has
cured
the
land.
She
has
driven
the
evil
enemy
males
from
the
land,
and
she
has
done
it
by
reconnecting
to
the
power
of
the
land.
Notice
the
star
of
Aster
off
right
there,
right?
Is
it's
beyond
obvious.
I
don't
think
the
Disney
people
were
thinking,
let's
make
a
story
about
a
nana.

(34:40):
I
think
these
are
basically
secrets
that
we
can't
stop
from
coming
out
and
that
we
we
can't
help
ourselves
understanding
Venus
is
more
than
just
a
sexy
looking
goddess.
She
is
a
goddess
of
power
and
war
and
the
land
and
the
earth
itself.
And
that
hiding
this
female
power
is
a
relatively
recent
event.

(35:01):
We've
always
understood
throughout
most
religions,
male
and
Female
Power
Act
has
a
duality
and
are
the
duality
of
of
of
the
Godhead.
So
we
have
the,
the
yabby
um,
in
Tibetan
Buddhism,
ah,
the
mother
and
father,
the
unity
of
the
mother
and
father
are,
are
essentially
the
godhead

(35:22):
of
wisdom
and
compassion,
justice
and
mercy.
These
are,
these
are
the
unities
of,
of,
of
male
and
female
power
coming
together
to
form
either
guanine
or
apple
or
the
these,
these
sort
of
unified
deities.
Not
a
coincidence

(35:42):
that
the
most
extreme
forms
of
the
patriarchy
started
in
the
Renaissance,
beginning
of
understanding
science
and
math
begins
in
the
Renaissance.
This
is
when
things
started
getting
hardest
for
female
spiritual
power.
This
is
when
this
is
when
I
started
is
turned
into
a
demon

(36:03):
and
that
it
reaches
its
apogee
in
the
age
of
reason.
So
in
the
age
of
reason,
when
we're
coming
up
with
modern
science,
math,
calculus,
Newton
Newton
is
is
is,
is
is
developing
alternate
calculus
Leibniz's
developing
calculus.
We're
also
exterminating
the
witches.
This
is
when
the
witches
were
completely
wiped
out,
even
more
than,
you
know,
at

(36:23):
earlier
periods.
This
is
when
we
really
wiped
these
people
out.
And
this
is
why
we
don't
have
Black
Sabbath
and
and
Val
Perseus
knocked
in
in
in
Germany
anymore.
There
aren't
people
around
the
fire
like
you
see
in
Fantasia
summoning
the,
you
know,
the
demon
that
lives
in
the
mountain.
These
were
these
were
real
places.
These
were

(36:43):
places
that
you
could
actually
go
and
to
the
actual
mountain
that
you
would
be
dancing
at
at
the
top
of.
And
all
of
these
things
were
actually
happening
as
as
as
as
shown
in
Fantasia.
So
these
were
real
practices,
dancing
around,
tripping
out
of
your
minds,
naked
witches.
And
this
was
all
crushed
in

(37:03):
in
in
you
know,
the
age
of
reason.
And
we
see
it
in
our
in
our
in
our
cyclical
calendars
that
we
as
we
move
through
our
the
ritual
of
the
year.
So
the
God
is
born
at
the
death
of
the
year
at
Christmas.
The
God
is
killed
at
the
birth
of
the
year.
At
Easter,
we
celebrate.
We
celebrate

(37:24):
the
dead,
the
abundance
of
of
of
life
and
food
at
Thanksgiving
or
harvest
festivals.
And
what
are
we
missing?
We're
missing
Midsummer's.
We
do
not
have
a
midsummer's
holiday.
That
was
when
we
would
dance
around
the
bonfire
naked
and
everyone
would
have
sex
with
each
other.
And
this
was
Midsummer's
Eve.
We
have
lost
Midsummer's

(37:44):
Eve
entirely
as
part
of
our
ritual
calendar.
We
are
we
are
centered
on
on
the
aspects
of
death
in
our
rituals.
Halloween,
Christmas.
We
try
and
light
up
the
year
by
bringing
in
lights
on
our
Christmas
trees
to
brighten
up
the
darkest
times
of
the
year.
But
we
don't
do
anything
at
Midsummer's.
We
no
longer
have
that
celebration.

(38:05):
So
as
a
last
thing
I
wanted
to
talk
about
is
how
we
have
to
now
go
basically
on
this
heroine's
journey.
We
have
to
discover
the
powers
within
ourselves
that
we
have
left
behind.
And
they're
not.
They
haven't
gone
anywhere.
They
were
within
us
all
along.
They're
still
here.
They
really
haven't
gone
anywhere.
And
so
what
do
I
mean
by
this?

(38:25):
You
know,
think
about
something
that
seems
completely
intractable,
like
global
warming.
So
we
got
into
this
mess
using
science
and
technology,
ignoring
the
earth,
ignoring,
you
know,
the
value
of
the
earth.
And
our
responses
tend
to
be
hero's
journey.
We
were
looking
out
at
the
moon
and
we
want
to
or
the
two
moons
and
want
to

(38:45):
figure
out
how
we're
going
to
solve
this
with
a
technological
answer.
But
in
many
ways,
the
solutions
are
not
going
to
be
technological.
They're
going
to
be
heroine's
journey
solutions.
The
powers
are
within
us
all
along.
We
need
to
think
about
how
we
have
built
a
culture
that
is
producing
so
much
waste,
that
is
that
is
just
churning
through
resources

(39:05):
so
quickly
and
get
back
to
really
understanding
the
value
of
the
world
around
us
and
seeing
that
this
is
connected
deeply
to
who
we
are
as
people.
It
in
many
ways,
our
ways
of
life
have
caused
this
problem
because
we've
been
separated
from
essentially
the
goddess
within
us. 6697 00:39:25,347 --> 00:00:00,-01 Eric:
Wow.

(39:27):
As
usual,
just
fascinating. 6703 00:39:29,697 --> 00:00:00,-01 Dr. Josh Stout:
Well,
thank
you. 6707 00:39:30,327 --> 00:00:00,-01 Eric:
I
feel
like
I
feel
like
this
topic
deserves
an
entire
podcast
on
its
own. 6723 00:39:36,177 --> 00:00:00,-01 Dr. Josh Stout:
We
will
probably
come
back
to
it.
But
yeah,
for
now,
I
just
wanted
to
get
through
saying
sort
of
what
practical
applications
would
this
then
have?
How
do
how
do
we
live
our
lives
in
the
modern

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world
in
relation
to
the
concept
of,
of
a
hero's
journey
and
a
heroine's
journey?
What
does
this
mean?
Especially,
you
know,
when
we
have
a
world
where
I
trans
LGBTQ
people

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suddenly
becoming
more
important
in
our
society?
What
does
this
represent?
What
are
these
things?
And
you
know
what
is
going
on?
In
many
ways
I
think
people
are
becoming
sort
of
a
bridge
between
these
worlds. 6831 00:40:19,617 --> 00:00:00,-01 Eric:
I
hope
so. 6835 00:40:20,547 --> 00:00:00,-01 Dr. Josh Stout:
I
hope
so,
too.
I
really
hope
so,
too.
And
you
can
tell
that,
you
know,
certain
people
really
hate
that
whole
movement
and. 6860 00:40:26,877 --> 00:00:00,-01 Eric:
We
need
it

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and
we
needed
it
now.
All
right.
Well,
thank
you
very
much,
Josh. 6877 00:40:31,347 --> 00:00:00,-01 Dr. Josh Stout:
Yes,
thank. 6880 00:40:31,917 --> 00:00:00,-01 Eric:
You.
See
you
next
time.