October 17, 2025 • 55 mins
What if one friend’s “we could train” turned into a new life, a new community, and a marathon that needs a passport? Kathy joins us to share how a reluctant walker became a purpose-led runner who lost over 100 pounds, found her pace in the back-of-the-pack party, and discovered a mission bigger than finish times: raising funds so people with cancer can pay their bills through Gardner’s House.
We trace Kathy’s health reboot after thyroid and parathyroid surgery, the Facebook challenges that built real strength one squat and push-up at a time, and the moment a local half marathon connected her miles to a cause. She breaks down the practical wins that changed everything—proper shoe fittings, toe-sock fixes for stubborn blisters, consistent rehab with dry needling and e-stim, and the fueling tweaks that turned a bonk-prone runner into someone who finishes strong and smiles through mile 20.
Then we dive into the Detroit International Marathon route: sunrise over the Ambassador Bridge, a tour of Windsor, and the loud, humid “underwater mile” back through the tunnel. Kathy’s training is laced with community—sponsor-a-mile fundraising, names on her shirt for loved ones, and the Run 169 Society’s quirky joy with elusive towns, pop-up races, and multi-generational inspiration. Her core message is simple and sticky: aim for 1% better every day, and let small, consistent actions compound into something you’re proud of.
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Today we're gonna be talking toKathy Musca.
Um had a real fun time withKathy, Kathy.
Um, very uh inspirational.
I think you guys are gonnareally, really like her um her
story.
And so let's listen in.
(01:29):
Hi, Kathy.
Welcome to the show.
Hi, thank you for having me.
My pleasure.
So let's start right off the batand tell me how you got into
running.
Tell the audience too,obviously.
SPEAKER_00 (01:44):
Okay, yeah.
Uh I blame my friend Gosha.
Um, yeah.
So I had been walking and doinga lot of walking and walking
with her.
And one day she said, Oh, Ican't walk today.
So I said, Okay, well I'll geton the treadmill.
And I um we walked about fivemiles on the treadmill, and then
(02:05):
she goes, Oh, I can walk now.
So I hopped off the treadmilland met her.
And where we walked in MainStreet in our town, we did it,
it was about an eight-mile loop.
And I thought she was gonna benice since I had already done
five miles and she was not.
And so by the time, you know,she's Polish and she's a great,
(02:26):
a great motivator.
And she said, you know, when wefinished, she said, Oh, you've
just done the distance of halfmarathon.
I'm like, Yeah, I don't run.
She goes, but we could train.
I'm like, but I don't run.
And she's like, but we couldtrain.
I'm like, but I don't likerunning.
There is nothing you could makeme do to make me want to run.
And she's like, but we couldtrain.
(02:49):
So I said, fine, I will do a uhwe'll do a 5K.
And so I downloaded an app anddid like my first 5K.
And I was definitely a veryreluctant runner.
And but when we did the 5K, wedid it in less time than I
thought by like five minutes.
Nice.
(03:09):
So that kind of hooked me.
And then I I ran into, I'm fromConnecticut and ran into some
people there that I knew thatwere part of this group called
the Run 169 Society, where yourun a timed race in every town
in Connecticut.
Oh, wow.
There's 169 towns.
And I don't know what made medecide to join, but I did.
(03:32):
And um, and then we did a couplemonths later, I did my first
10K.
And then at that point, I said,um fine, I'll sign up for a half
marathon.
But this was also actually afterlosing 100 pounds.
So yeah.
Thanks, thanks.
(03:52):
So it was uh so I had beenrunning, I had been doing
challenges through Facebook forthe American Cancer Society, and
that was kind of how I lost theweight.
Um, and I was raising a lot ofmoney for them.
And so when it came time to runthe half marathon in Hartford,
(04:14):
um uh my one of my girlfriendswho had breast cancer said, you
know, I see you've been doing alot for the American Cancer
Society, and I'd like to run thehalf marathon with you, but can
we find a local charity?
Like, yeah, I'm open toanything.
So I literally went on Facebookand put local charity cancer and
(04:36):
found um this small charity outof Hartford called Gardner's
House.
And uh and they um they helpedpeople with cancer pay their
bills.
And you know, and when I metMaggie Gardner, she was just
such an inspiration to me.
She's a two-time breast cancersurvivor.
(04:57):
And the first time she said, Ihad a house, I had a job, I had
insurance, and I had asignificant other.
And the second time I had noneof those and ended up um living
on people's couches, living outof my car.
And she went to the AmericanCancer Society and said, I need
help.
And they said, Well, we onlyfund research.
(05:19):
And um, so then she went to theSusan G.
Comen and they basically toldher the same thing.
And she said, if I make itthrough this, then I'm gonna
help people with cancer live.
And so she's been doing that forabout 14, 15 years now.
And I so I felt very honored umand blessed to meet her, and and
(05:42):
she was like, I can't believethat you're just willing to do
this and raise money.
So I have done um three halfmarathons and raise money for
for them.
And at the ball last year, shedoes a ball every year in
October.
She had me stand up and in frontof 300 people said, Well,
Kathy's gonna run a marathon forus.
(06:04):
And I'm just standing theregoing, No, no, Kathy has no
plans of ever running amarathon.
And she kept saying, Yes,Kathy's gonna run a marathon.
And I'm like, What is she doingto me?
And a couple days later, I had apatient who was Jamaican, and
(06:25):
she said, Kathy, speak it intobeing.
And I was like, What does thatmean?
And she's like, say it and itwill happen.
And I'm like, and I guess I'mrunning a marathon.
So I've been training for mymarathon for uh since December,
and it's in three weeks fromtoday.
(06:48):
So I'm you know, I have all ofthe feels the anxiety, the
excitement, and the you know,absolutely terrified.
SPEAKER_01 (06:59):
Well, I feel like we should have waited three weeks
to uh record this.
SPEAKER_00 (07:03):
Well, you know, I can always come back.
SPEAKER_01 (07:06):
So speaking of um time, yeah, tell us when it was
that you started with thewalking and the working out and
losing the weight and how longthat progression was before you
did your first 5k and all that.
When uh when did all this takeplace?
SPEAKER_00 (07:22):
So I had um surgery uh August of 2020, where they
removed the rest of my thyroidand I had a parathyroid that was
misbehaving.
And um, so I had that removed,and for the first time in many,
many years, by October, I waslike, I actually feel good.
(07:45):
And it took a, you know, I mean,years, years.
I had had the other half of mythyroid removed before I had
kids, um, so over 20 years ago,and um because uh it was a
benign tumor, and I kept sayingto them at the time, just remove
the whole thing, and they said,No, no, no, the other side's
(08:05):
fine.
And then I went through severalendocrinologists who just told
me I was fat and depressed, andI kept saying, I just I feel
like that's not the case, butand then I finally found a very
good endocrinologist wholistened to me, and he actually
was the one who found out that Ihad the hyperparathyroidism, and
(08:25):
um, he's been fabulous.
But that October he was like,you know, maybe we should think
about bariatric surgery.
And I said, you know, I know me,it's just not for me.
And so um he did say, you know,you're diabetic.
And so he did put me on Ozempic.
(08:46):
Um, and like I said, it kind ofjust happened at the same time.
I saw this Facebook challengefor um the American Cancer
Society, and it said 50 squats aday.
And I was like, oh, I can dothat, and I signed up, and then
I was like, oh God, what was Ithinking?
I can't do 50 squats, what am Igonna do?
And I I'm a home care physicaltherapist, so I ended up um
(09:11):
saying, Okay, how do I how wouldI teach my patients?
So I had two weeks until thechallenge started, and I um held
on to the kitchen sink and I did10.
And so over those two weeks, Ibuilt up um and did them with my
patients actually.
And so by the time the challengestarted, I could do 50 in a day,
(09:34):
um, but definitely not in a row.
And by the end of the firstmonth, I was able to do 50 in a
row, and so that kind of hookedme.
And then the second month, theydid the same thing.
So I was like, well, I know Ican do this.
And so I did that again.
And by the end of that month, Iwas able to use weights and not
(09:56):
hold on anymore.
Yeah, I mean, just it was theconsistency, yeah, yeah, and of
doing a little something everyday.
And then the next month,American Cancer Society really
messed me up and they said 25push-ups.
And I went, I can't do apush-up.
And then I said, Okay, how wouldI teach my patients?
And so I uh did them on the walland did wall push-ups until
(10:21):
those got easy, and then went tothe counter.
And when those got easy, I thenwent to um the stairs, and by
the end of the month, I could doone on the floor, and I was
thrilled that I could do onestandard push-up.
And you know, but it was justthe progress.
And then by that point, I wasthree months in and I was
(10:43):
starting to notice that my bodywas changing.
And and then I think the nextmonth was um was walk 30 miles
in a in a month, and I was like,a mile a day.
I'm like a mile a day, okay, Ican do that.
And so, but I was also kind ofstill doing the squats, and um,
(11:03):
so it took me, so then I I justdid whatever the challenge was,
you know, and one month it was60 miles, and you know, and then
there I think there was like aParkinson's one that kicked in,
and you know, I do kind of andthen I had some people join me,
you know.
Um, so that made it, we had alittle Facebook messenger group,
(11:23):
which was fun.
And uh we kind of held eachother accountable, which was
good, and then so it took meabout a year to lose 80 pounds.
And um, and but by then I wasreally, I was like really
noticing it wasn't just aboutthe weight, like I really never
(11:44):
intended to lose the weight.
And you know, my endocrinologistwas like, but you've changed
your life.
You know, I completely changedeverything about my life, and
um, you know, everybody wasnoticing it around me, my kids,
and you know, it and it changedthe way that I practice as a
therapist too, because insteadof giving people 10 exercises
(12:06):
and saying, do three of these 10sets or three re 10 reps, three
sets three times a day to I wantyou to do these four exercises
and do them 10 reps once a day,and that's it.
And they all looked at me likeyou know, really, that's it.
And they'd all end up doing alittle bit more than what I told
(12:27):
them to do.
But you know, I'm like, itdoesn't take a lot, it just
takes doing somethingconsistently, yeah.
And so yeah, so then I ended upum uh it was about a year
probably a year and a half intomy journey when my my girlfriend
(12:51):
convinced me that we needed tostart running.
And um, yeah, so I've beenrunning for about three and a
half years now.
SPEAKER_01 (12:58):
Wow.
SPEAKER_00 (12:59):
So that's yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (13:00):
And is she doing the marathon with you?
SPEAKER_00 (13:03):
No, no, nobody is, no, no, it will be other
runners, just nobody you know.
Yes, uh it I'm doing actually umDetroit, the Detroit
International Marathon.
SPEAKER_02 (13:15):
Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (13:15):
Um, yeah, that was rated number one this year in
the country for because it's socool.
You actually have to carry yourpassport on you um because you
run into Canada.
Um, but my nephew actually isresponsible for that because he
said, Oh, I want to run thishalf marathon with my aunts
because one of my sisters, mysister lives out uh near
(13:38):
Detroit.
And so I originally hadcommitted to doing the half
marathon.
I didn't sign up yet, but whenwe were talking about it, I'm
like, Yeah, I'll do that withyou.
And then, you know, Maggietalked about the marathon, so I
was like, Well, I'll do themarathon, you guys do the half
marathon.
And um, so January 1st came whenyou could sign up, and I signed
(14:00):
up for the marathon, and nobodyelse did.
So, not even my nephew, not evenfor the half.
Oh no, no, no, yeah.
So luckily, I'll have a supportteam out there.
You know, my sister and and umher family will be there, and my
parents are actually coming out.
SPEAKER_01 (14:18):
So and what is your nephew's name?
SPEAKER_00 (14:21):
Sam.
SPEAKER_01 (14:21):
Sam Shane Muska.
Yeah, right?
Muscle.
We'll call him out.
SPEAKER_00 (14:26):
Yep, absolutely.
Well, I will say he did a uh 50mile trail race.
That he once he did that, he'slike, I think I'm gonna take a
hiatus from running.
SPEAKER_01 (14:40):
Well, okay, maybe Volatima.
SPEAKER_00 (14:42):
I know that.
SPEAKER_01 (14:43):
I know, but I still give him a hard time about it.
Well, yeah, you have to,absolutely.
SPEAKER_00 (14:47):
Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (14:49):
Uh I think my niece might be running that one in
Detroit.
It's pretty cool.
Yeah, it's pretty cool.
SPEAKER_00 (14:55):
Yeah, yeah, it's pretty nice.
Yeah, like you run across, Imean, it's fairly flat, which is
nice.
I mean, you run across theambassador bridge into Canada,
and apparently that's like atsunrise.
Oh, and so it's very pretty.
And then you run about six orseven miles in um in Canada.
And I guess they changed thecourse because they redid the
(15:17):
town green and they want to showoff the town green.
So, yeah, so you go aroundWindsor Town Green, and then you
come um into the tunnel, theunderwater mile is what they
call it.
To yeah, so they said that partis kind of um it's hot and humid
and loud and terrifying.
(15:38):
Yeah, yeah.
But I guess they give you like aspecial time for that one mile,
you know, to see how fast youare underwater.
SPEAKER_01 (15:47):
So okay, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (15:49):
Um but it sounds interesting.
SPEAKER_01 (15:52):
That would probably be my fastest because I'm a just
a little bit claustrophobic.
So in a car, I'd probably beokay because it's what a minute,
but yeah, I I'm not a minuterunner mile.
So I don't know, no, yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (16:05):
I I'm saying the same thing that I, you know, I'm
not really claustrophobic, butjust the the thoughts, you know,
then I'm thinking that'sprobably gonna be one of my
faster miles, too.
SPEAKER_01 (16:15):
Yeah, because there's another place where
there's an underwater tunnel, Ican't remember where, but um,
and in that one, I knowoccasionally you can see water
dripping, and so yeah, thatwould just freak me out.
SPEAKER_00 (16:28):
Yeah, I've seen videos where there is some water
dripping.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
But they're they're very proudof it.
They actually just posted avideo, you know, the the race
people just posted a video aboutit.
And they're very proud of thewhole relationship that Windsor
and Detroit have and thistunnel, and so we'll see.
SPEAKER_01 (16:50):
Yeah, well that's great.
I'm excited for you.
Hey.
I look forward to hearinghearing how that goes.
So you are you still doing theuh monthly challenges through
the Cancer Society?
SPEAKER_00 (17:05):
I have not.
Um, I haven't done those inprobably a couple of years since
I started doing since I startedfundraising for for Gardner's
House.
SPEAKER_01 (17:16):
Okay.
SPEAKER_00 (17:16):
I just felt that local have trying to find a
local charity that helps peoplelocally, that that would um that
that's more near and dear to myheart.
Um on the back of my shirt isactually a lot of names, and
unfortunately way too manynames.
(17:37):
And um, it's all the people thatI run in honor or in memory of.
And um October of 2020, I hadfour girlfriends diagnosed with
breast cancer.
And yeah, and so uh one of themwas a coworker, and um, two of
them unfortunately have passedaway.
One is the one that suggested alocal charity, and she kicks my
(18:01):
butt in all of the races thatwe've run together.
And um, the fourth is stillgoing through treatment.
So that kind of, you know, mymom is a breast cancer survivor.
My fiance's sister passed awayfrom breast cancer, and I
unfortunately never met her.
But um, yeah, the list is isgrows unfortunately way too much
(18:23):
every year that I have the womanmake shirts for me.
And um, she's actually said wecan't add any more this year.
So I don't know what I'm gonnado because I, you know, I always
have people that want their nameon the back.
So and honestly, the front andthe side.
I know, I know.
I'm like, well, I have so thisyear I ran um the Portland half
(18:46):
Portland Maine half marathon,and then I had the the Detroit
symbol put on.
Um but yeah, so I may have totake those off and start putting
names, you know, I don't know,on the sleeves or something, but
you know unfortunately, yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (19:01):
I mean, yeah, that's that's not cool.
SPEAKER_00 (19:03):
Yeah, yeah.
But honestly, I ran one one raceand I was just really, really
struggling, and I kind of said,like, God, I just need some
help.
And I it was a weird feeling,but I felt like hands on my
back.
And I was like, Oh, they are allwith me, yeah, you know, helping
me along.
SPEAKER_01 (19:23):
So take yourself out of it and remember while you're
running.
SPEAKER_00 (19:26):
Exactly.
Exactly.
Yeah.
So yeah, so people have alwayslike, why do you do this?
I'm like, I don't know.
I don't know.
I never intended to run, butthis year has definitely been in
it, you know, different.
SPEAKER_01 (19:43):
So, what all do you do to help raise money for them?
SPEAKER_00 (19:47):
Um, I do different uh different different things.
I have a GoFundMe right now forthis one.
Um, but like when I was runningmy the half marathon, I did a
sponsor of mile.
Um I I'm actually doing that forthe marathon right now, too.
And you know, just sharing theGoFundMe on social media with my
(20:09):
friends and coworkers, you know,my fiance, having him share it,
um, you know, people that are onthe shirt asking them to share.
Um, and then having shirts madeup and selling them.
Um, so you know, any profit fromthe shirt goes right to
Gardner's house.
And then I did um I did a SuperBowl pool too.
(20:35):
And but that was, you know, itwas like a not a 50-50, but
something similar.
Yeah.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (20:42):
So how many years have you been raising money for
them?
Three?
SPEAKER_00 (20:46):
Um, three.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Okay.
Yeah, because I ran my firsthalf marathon October uh three
years ago.
unknown (20:54):
Okay.
SPEAKER_01 (20:55):
Yeah.
We will definitely put links umin the uh description notes.
Um, and hopefully some of thesefine listeners will go on there
and donate to your cause.
SPEAKER_00 (21:07):
That would be wonderful.
You know, I mean, I I didn'tfind running until I was 51, and
I'll be 55 in January.
And I I I have such a differentlife because of it.
And the people that I've met, Ihad no idea.
Like at the 10K that I ran, Imet a lot of the back of the
packers, and I love thosepeople.
(21:30):
I don't know about the people inthe front, you know, they're
usually in their cars and goneby the time I get there.
But um, you know, but the peoplethat are in the back, you know,
it's the party pace, they callit that for a good reason.
And I'm definitely not fast, youknow, and I don't care.
Um, it's it's more I I I want toenjoy myself.
(21:53):
I did the Philly Love Run in uhMarch, and the atmosphere at
that race was just soincredible.
And I literally I had gotteninjured and I had no
expectations at all for thatrace.
And I was like, I'm just gonnago have fun.
(22:14):
And I actually got, you know,like one of my lower times.
I couldn't believe it.
So like I just I was takingpictures the whole time and just
enjoying the scenery because atthat race, you finish at the
bottom of the Rocky Stairs.
Oh, yeah, it's so much fun, youknow.
So, of course, the assignment isyou've gotta run off the Rocky
(22:37):
Stairs, right?
You know, my son was somortified.
Like, but I'm like, Ma, I'm nothoney, there were a lot of other
people who did it.
Yeah, he's like, Yeah, butnobody my age.
So I started showing him all thevideos of all of the people of
all ages that were doing it.
He's like, Okay, fine.
But that's really cool.
(22:59):
It was very cool.
It was very cool.
So, you know, I mean, I thinkthere's 25,000 people doing the
marathon in Detroit.
So, you know, it should be, andthere's actually a few people
from Connecticut that are gonnabe out there um that we've
connected through that run 169group.
SPEAKER_01 (23:17):
And so um I it really is that I would love
that.
SPEAKER_00 (23:24):
It's very cool.
It's it's really all ages andabilities.
I mean, there and there's acouple dogs, and and they
basically um when you get to 100towns and you get to 169,
there's celebrations for both.
Um, the hundred, you know, andthen there at the 169, you get
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actually crowned as royalty.
So um it's very cool.
So people wear tutus, and therethere was one lady that she
loves to wear costumes.
So at hers, everybody that ranit, it was just a mile race, but
everybody that ran it ranwearing dinosaur costumes.
(24:05):
Oh, it was hilarious.
SPEAKER_01 (24:09):
It's a YouTube video.
Yes, oh god, it's hysterical.
SPEAKER_00 (24:12):
It was hilarious with little T-Rex and they make
such a funny noise when you run.
SPEAKER_01 (24:17):
I've seen them in a race like Ram Ram, and it was
it's the greatest.
I I'm gonna have to look that upand watch that again.
SPEAKER_00 (24:23):
Yeah, it was it was very funny, and unfortunately I
got sick, so I couldn't do thatrace.
But um, but yeah, so it's alwaysa big the 169 is a huge
celebration, and um there's uhabout um there's like over 5,000
members in the in the run 169group.
unknown (24:43):
Wow.
SPEAKER_00 (24:44):
Um yeah, and but there's I think it's less than
300 people who have actuallycompleted all 169 towns.
SPEAKER_01 (24:53):
So now how do they get all of the towns to agree to
a timed race?
Because some of them got to bejust like a four-way stop or
something, right?
SPEAKER_00 (25:01):
Um, so it it's very interesting.
So there's people that are justlove to be race directors.
So sometimes they'll do a pop-upone in a park or um, you know,
around a field.
We had one, um, there was onerace, well, actually three towns
(25:21):
in one day, and they were allnext to each other.
So we did like a mile and a halfat this town, 2.1 at the, you
know, and then you got in thecar and drove to the next town,
and then you got into the carand drove to the next town and
um and did, you know, 1.6 there.
So, you know, all told, I thinkwe did like six miles, but it
(25:43):
was between three towns, youknow, and you just bang it out
in one day.
And then there were a wholebunch of people that got in
their cars and drove two hoursto another part of the state and
did another town.
That was crazy.
But wow, yeah.
And there's a few people,there's a couple of people who
have done two rounds um of the169 or three rounds, and then
(26:06):
there's kids, and then there'ssome people who walk every race
instead.
And I mean, there's kids, andthen there's um the over 60
crowd have they call themselvesthe sizzlers, and so they they
are great, and then um we havepeople that are in their 80s
that are doing it, so I love it.
(26:28):
We had one race on July 4thwhere 1,200 people did the race,
and there were 24 people in the70 to 79 category, and yeah, and
eight and in the 80 to 89, therewas um there were 13 people.
SPEAKER_01 (26:48):
Holy moly, that's awesome.
SPEAKER_00 (26:51):
Yeah, I love that.
SPEAKER_01 (26:52):
I love seeing that.
Absolutely, that's the best whenyou get older people to move.
SPEAKER_00 (26:57):
Yeah, that's key.
Well, and it's inspirational,you know, and it's saying, you
know, because people will say tome, Oh, don't your knees hurt
you?
I'm like, my knees actually feelbetter when I'm running
consistently than when I'm not.
SPEAKER_01 (27:12):
You know.
So yeah.
So of the distances, not themarathon included yet, but of
the distances you have run,what's your favorite?
SPEAKER_00 (27:23):
Um, probably probably either the 5k or the
10K.
unknown (27:28):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (27:29):
My second 10K was the first time I actually felt
like a runner.
And that was over a year in.
And I had done a half marathonby then.
But um, yeah, it was I had itwas a a race that was a a 10K
and a half marathon, and theyhad pacers for the half
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marathon, and I actually stayedwith some of the pacers because
it was like you did six milestogether, and then we broke off
and finished, and they did therest.
And I was like, it was I I wasso glad that I kind of stayed
with the pacers, and like I Ireally and I had caught a lot of
time off, so I was really prettyum happy with that, and it was a
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beautiful course and in Mystic,Connecticut, and it was just so
it was.
I mean, we have a pretty state,I will say, pretty hilly that
you don't expect sometimes, butyeah.
SPEAKER_01 (28:26):
Is that what made you feel um like a real runner
is because your pace dropped, orwas there something else that
what made you feel that?
Because you that's what yousaid.
SPEAKER_00 (28:35):
It made you nice.
It it really was.
It was it was just I felt likeeverything kind of came
together.
Um, and I it and I just feltgood.
I I felt good, like, oh, okay,like that wasn't bad.
I I I did that, you know.
Um, but then like yesterday Idid my 20 miler, my last before
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I tapered now, and I expected tofeel pretty crummy, and um I
felt like I had my nutritiondown, my fueling down, and um,
and I I actually was up untillike 10 o'clock last night and
didn't even nap.
SPEAKER_01 (29:15):
So wow.
SPEAKER_00 (29:17):
Yeah, I was pretty impressed.
So I'm like, you know, at theend of that, I'm like, I think I
got this.
That's it with me.
SPEAKER_01 (29:24):
And how are the legs feeling today after that 20
miler?
SPEAKER_00 (29:27):
Well, I did three miles today, so all right.
SPEAKER_01 (29:30):
Yeah, so I feel pretty good.
SPEAKER_00 (29:32):
Yeah, I mean, I'm a little sore, but and I have a
great physical therapist thatreally helps me quite a bit with
the dry needling and thatscraper thing.
SPEAKER_01 (29:41):
And yeah, yeah, I see mine uh every Tuesday, so
I'm aware of those guys.
Yeah.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (29:50):
Well, you know, and he's so funny because he doesn't
know how to deal with me becauseI'm a PT and I'm like, I don't I
deal with old people, like theseare not, this is not my.
Wheelhouse, so just treat melike everybody else that doesn't
know anything.
I just know the about muscles,but I don't know this technique.
Like I didn't learn dryneedling, and you know, I did
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STEM, but adding STEM to dryneedling is a foreign concept to
me.
SPEAKER_01 (30:15):
So yeah, that's about the only tools I don't
have of my own because I havethe cups and I have the grass
and tool and I have likeeverything, but it's really hard
to hurt yourself, and theyreally they work me over pretty
good.
Yeah.
I never make cup marks on mylegs, and they always make cup
marks on my legs.
SPEAKER_00 (30:35):
Oh yeah, he hasn't done cupping yet, but but he's
done a lot of the stim with thedry needling, and that really
has helped a lot.
Yeah.
Because I I got I'm sorry.
SPEAKER_01 (30:47):
Go ahead, go ahead.
SPEAKER_00 (30:48):
I I got injured back in um like February.
I was walking to a into apatient's house and I didn't
realize that their driveway kindof dipped and I jammed my leg
and got some hip pain.
And I I didn't realize where ithappened until I went back to
her house and I was like, oh,this is where I did that.
(31:09):
And at the time, um I hadconvinced myself that I had a
stress fracture in in my hip.
Um I have was diagnosed with arare genetic syndrome that
actually predisposes me tofracture.
So I had really like built it upthat I had fractured it.
And so um I I had an MRI.
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I saw the PT and then I had anMRI, and luckily it was not, but
I had a lot of you know, umtendonopathy, which was fun.
And so he really helped to calmthat down.
And but with the marathontraining and building that up,
it's kind of come back a littlebit.
So luckily he's been he's beenworking on that for the past few
(31:52):
weeks.
unknown (31:53):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (31:53):
Prior to that injury, were you injury prone?
SPEAKER_00 (31:57):
No.
No, no, I mean years ago, I umnot not since running.
No, I hadn't I I when I wastraining for the first half
marathon, I was getting likesome I was getting some
discomfort in my legs.
And a friend of mine said, youreally need to go and have a
fitting done for shoes.
(32:18):
And I was always a new balanceperson, you know, for decades I
wore new balance and I would goand get the assessment done
where you stand on the littlemachine.
And um, then I ended up going toFleet Feet, and they had the
walking pad and and the standingthing.
And um so I I did those and theybrought out three pairs of
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shoes.
And once I put the they did thenew balance last, and once they
put those on, I was like, oh mygod, these are awful.
They feel terrible.
So I've been in Brooks eversince, but the the Brooks
glycerin have been my my go-tofor my long runs.
SPEAKER_01 (32:58):
Yeah, one of my athletes, she's uh new athlete
to me.
Um, she was having some kneepain.
I said, So when's the last timeyou bought uh running shoes?
And she said, three years ago.
Oh gosh.
I didn't think to ask her, andshe's only been with me for a
couple of weeks now, but Ididn't think to ask her that
during our initial interview,not thinking that it had been
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three years since she boughtshoes, you know.
And so these are the shoes shewalks the dog in, and she runs
around town to, you know,chasing the kids, you know,
getting the kids from thisactivity to that.
And I'm like, okay, so you'regonna go to Fleet Viet and
you're gonna get some shoes, getfitted for some shoes, and they
are only for running.
Yeah.
Keep those other ones for youknow, running around town and
(33:42):
walking the dog, but these areyour running shoes because it's
amazing the injuries you can getjust by having not the right
shoe or two worn of shoes.
Yeah.
So shame on me for not askingher that sooner, but uh it was
only a couple weeks, so we'regood.
SPEAKER_00 (33:57):
Yeah.
Well, I mean, that's the nicething.
I I I've been using the Runa appfor about probably about eight,
nine, nine months now, and theyactually track how many miles on
your shoes.
So that's really good, you know.
So I can actually I've got myshort run shoes and I've got my
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long run shoes, and um, so I hadanother pair that every time I
wore, I think aggravated my hip,but it took me a while to figure
that out, so they're out of therotation.
But um, but yeah, so I I'mcoming close with my my marathon
shoes.
So I'm I'm hoping that I'll beokay.
SPEAKER_01 (34:38):
You should probably get them today and wear them for
the next couple weeks and wearthem for the marathon, in my
opinion, which means absolutelynothing.
SPEAKER_00 (34:47):
Well, I I I'm at like 280 miles on them.
So I never know exactly how manymiles.
SPEAKER_01 (34:56):
Yeah, I don't track mine.
I go, I look at the bottoms ofthem first of all, because I
have a horrid gait and I chew upthe bottom of the shoe.
Um, but I also like if I startto have like some back pain or
something or a knee that's notusual pain, I go, I must need
new shoes, right?
So then I flip them over and Igo, Oh god, yeah, I need new
shoes.
(35:16):
So yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (35:17):
The problem is I the thing that I'm scared about with
getting new ones is the onesthat I like, they don't make
anymore.
Yeah, they're the glycerin 21s,and I have a pair of glycerin
22s, but they're definitely notthe same, and I don't like them
as much.
Yeah, and they don't carry themon at the store or or online
(35:38):
either.
I'll have to look online andsee.
SPEAKER_01 (35:41):
You probably will find a pair online.
SPEAKER_00 (35:43):
True, true.
That's true.
I didn't even know.
SPEAKER_01 (35:48):
I hate it when they change the model.
Stop, just leave things alone.
Yeah, so stupid.
SPEAKER_00 (35:58):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (35:59):
Yeah, just make a different color, figure out a
new, brand new, shocking coloror something.
Stop messing with the shoes.
God makes me crazy.
SPEAKER_00 (36:07):
Yeah, yeah, it does.
It is crazy.
SPEAKER_01 (36:10):
Do you wear special socks as well?
Like a special brand.
SPEAKER_00 (36:14):
I I bought Puma socks at Costco.
And I just like them, they'revery comfortable.
SPEAKER_01 (36:22):
Yeah, I've been so many brands, and finally, um, I
wear Ingenie's now, the toesocks.
Oh, really?
Oh, yeah, and I love them, and Iwear them all, I don't wear
regular socks um unless I don'thave anything warm enough, and
then I have some real thickregular socks, right?
Um but so Ingenie had quit for alittle while making compression
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socks, like knee-highcompression socks.
And mine got, you know, holes,and so I had to throw them away.
And so I tried to buy someonline and they were just
terrible.
You could tell they it was likethey tried to take a glove and
just stretch it so it was longenough for your leg.
Yeah, I don't know what, but itjust hurt your feet.
And they just started making umthe socks again.
(37:07):
I stumbled upon it on theirwebsite, and so but they only
had one color.
So I bought three pairs of allthe same color because I'm like,
I need these socks, these arewhat I need, you know.
But yeah, and I will do thatwith shoes sometimes because
they change them.
And I hate the change becausealways is bad.
They never do do you rememberthe year when they had all those
(37:28):
the back of the shoe, that cup,and they put like a form-fitting
cup in the back.
It was the worst idea.
Whoever thought of that need tobe just taken out and whipped.
But yeah, it was and they quitdoing that, you know.
So stop.
The shoes are fine.
We wouldn't buy them if theyweren't mine.
Exactly.
I can get off my soapbox now.
Sorry.
SPEAKER_00 (37:47):
No, it's fine.
I you know, it's funny because Isee those socks and I'm always
like intrigued by them.
Because I get a blister on theend of one toe.
Just on the end, it's thestrangest place.
And then when I try and get apedicure, they always want to
file it off.
And I'm like, no, don't do that.
Just leave it alone.
I need that.
unknown (38:07):
I need that, yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (38:08):
Yeah, yeah.
That's that's what I say too.
And I if I get a petty, leavesome of those on.
I need some of those.
Yeah, I used to get them on thetips of all my toes, but it was
because I was running with mytoes, like I'm holding on in the
shoe.
Why was I why am I trying tohold on to my shoe?
I don't know.
So I had to like r remind myselfto relax my feet, and so then I
(38:28):
quit getting that.
But um, I really like it becauseit keeps my toes separated so
they don't rub no matter what.
So yeah, I really like theengineies.
I may have to try this, butyeah, they're not for everybody.
Yeah, it's kind of like a athong, you know, not for
everybody.
No, so that's kind of howengineers are, they're kind of
between your toes, like a thong.
SPEAKER_00 (38:50):
Yeah.
Well, I don't mind like thethongs, the sandals, so I wonder
how to try them.
Uh I did see a couple peoplerunning barefoot.
I doing a half marathonbarefoot, and I was like, and
have you seen their feet now?
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (39:05):
So one of my earlier podcasts, I interviewed Sonny,
uh, I think his last name isMolina.
He holds, well, at the time, heheld a record for barefoot um
marathons.
And he was in the Guinness Bookof World Records, and he's got
several, like he walked thelongest distance on Legos, and
just I'm just hurts my feetthinking about walking on Legos.
(39:27):
Oh, God, yeah.
Yeah.
So yeah, had I don't know whatepisode it is, but you go listen
to his story.
He's yeah, I met him at a racebecause he was running the
marathon.
I was running it barefoot, andI'm like, I gotta talk to this
guy afterwards.
SPEAKER_00 (39:39):
And so yeah, it was I saw a guy who did it on ice,
barefoot on ice, and he nowholds like all these Guinness
Burk book records for barefoot.
Uh and I'm like I they showedhis feet after running on ice
for a marathon, and like how doyou move after that?
SPEAKER_01 (40:02):
Were they bloody?
SPEAKER_00 (40:03):
Yeah, oh, I would bet.
Yeah, yeah.
Bloody blister, they were nastylooking.
I was just like, how do you howcan you even move after doing
that?
SPEAKER_01 (40:12):
Like yeah, you know, and I don't like to be cold, so
I know I would not like that atall.
That would be Yeah, no, yeah.
Yeah, no, no, I get cold soeasily.
And I can imagine though, ascold as I he he was his feet
probably burned, actually,right?
Because they've been so cold tobe ice of that.
And how do you know thehypothermia from that?
Or like not hypothermia, butwhat's the um frostbit?
(40:36):
How do you you know your toesget the least amount of blood, I
think.
SPEAKER_00 (40:39):
So I have no idea.
I I I I mean, I guess youcondition yourself, but I you
know yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (40:46):
Have you ever have your therapists ever had you
stand in a bucket of ice water,like for your little so I've
done that.
Um my coach had me do that.
Um, because mo even as a coach,I get a coach because you know,
I I abuse myself sometimes if Idon't have a coach.
But yeah, um, so and I wasinjured and he said, Okay, let's
stand in a so I got a big trashcan and I filled it with water
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and a little bit of ice.
And he said, But wear a sock onyour toes so that you know they
don't get too cold.
And it's it was a minute in,minute out, minute, you know,
and that minute in at thebeginning, oh I so I can't even
imagine running on ice.
That was so cold to me.
That was like torture, you know.
(41:27):
So yeah, I don't know how peopledo those ice baths.
SPEAKER_00 (41:30):
I could never do that.
Yeah.
No, I could never do it.
SPEAKER_01 (41:37):
No, I can't get our shower hot enough, I swear, some
days.
SPEAKER_00 (41:40):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (41:41):
So crazy.
So you've got Detroit coming up.
What's after that?
SPEAKER_00 (41:47):
I'm not sure.
I'm not sure.
Um, I have a girlfriend wholives down in Myrtle Beach, and
she said, Hey, do you want tocome down and do a half in
Myrtle Beach with me?
Um, I think in March.
So possibly that.
unknown (42:02):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (42:02):
And then I might really start trying to tick away
at the the towns in Connecticutbecause I'm only at 33.
33.
No, it's all at your own pace.
So, I mean, there's some peoplethat will do it a lot, you know,
they'll do 70 races in a year.
And I mean, we figured it outthat, you know, average cost of
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a race, that it's about fivegrand just race entries.
SPEAKER_01 (42:32):
So do they make you pay for those ones that are only
like a mile and then you go tothe and who gets the money?
SPEAKER_00 (42:39):
Um, there most of them are charities.
unknown (42:42):
Okay.
SPEAKER_00 (42:42):
There's different charities that that will sponsor
it.
So, you know, so at least themoney's going to a good cause.
But for sure.
Um, yeah.
I mean, sometimes it's uh aschool, sometimes it's you know,
uh a foundation, you know.
Um there was one I did for um itwas a different cancer
(43:03):
foundation.
SPEAKER_01 (43:04):
Yeah, I could get behind that then, you know.
SPEAKER_00 (43:07):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I mean, I think actually I thinkall of them are are actually
charity.
unknown (43:14):
Okay.
SPEAKER_00 (43:14):
Yeah, I can't think of one that wasn't so you don't
feel so bad.
SPEAKER_01 (43:19):
Right, right, yeah.
Yeah, here's fifty dollars forthis one mile race I'm gonna
run.
So really I'm just getting mymoney, which is if it's uh you
know, as long as the peoplearen't pocketing it, that would
be my biggest concern, I think.
SPEAKER_00 (43:30):
Yeah, yeah.
There was one race I did thissummer, and um it was uh it was
in memory of a a kid who diedskateboarding, and um he was
like 15, and his um family dothis race and raise money, and
they send kids to running campand um so they sponsor that.
(43:54):
So that was kind of cool too,because they had like the kids
that were receiving the thescholarships.
SPEAKER_01 (44:00):
Oh yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (44:01):
So yeah, and then they have uh these pins, safety
pins that had these beads thatwere colors that he liked, and
they said, you know, attach itto your shoe, and if you do
something exciting and fun, youknow, take a picture and and tag
us in it.
SPEAKER_01 (44:17):
So that's really nice.
SPEAKER_00 (44:19):
Yeah, so hopefully I'm gonna be able to remember to
do that and on the bridge orsomething or something weird,
you know, in Detroit.
But you know, because I'm allabout trying to to help other
charities and yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (44:34):
Well it sounds to me like you've done races in
because you live in Connecticut,right?
And so you've done races inseveral other states.
Are you thinking about doinglike a half marathon in every
state and joining that club too?
SPEAKER_00 (44:47):
You know, I I think I need to tackle Connecticut
first before before I do that.
I you know, and I I I always saythis is my first marathon.
I it might be my only.
I don't, you know, it it's sotime consuming training because
I am slow.
So um, you know, um it's justreally time consuming to train
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for a marathon.
SPEAKER_01 (45:10):
It is.
SPEAKER_00 (45:11):
Um, yeah, you miss out on a lot, you know, and and
um a lot of times I spend mytimes listening to podcasts when
I'm running, but so I feel likeI'm getting educated about
things, but yeah, but it's justtime away from other things that
you gotta do.
And yeah, um, you know, I meanthe the run 169 is uh it it's
(45:38):
there's some people that willbang out four towns in a in a
weekend.
Um, you know, and then we havethis great guy who keeps the
website up and they have peoplethat keep track of all the
races, and then they have itwhether it's an elusive town.
Um, so if they only have onerace a year, um then that's
considered elusive.
(45:59):
If they have a semi-elusive,then they have two races in a
year.
Um, and then there's some townsthat have like a summer series,
and so you can, you know, youhave like eight opportunities in
the summer to go.
Um so, but they're very goodabout keeping track of that
stuff.
So um, and then if there's thetown where someone is like, I'm
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at 168 towns and I just needthis one town, then some lovely
race director will say, Okay,I'll do a pop-up race for you.
And um, so that's how a lot ofpeople have gotten those.
But um, but you know, you tryand have something that is
lasting in the town, you know,and and that it's for a good
(46:43):
cause.
SPEAKER_01 (46:43):
Yeah, that's really great.
I really like that idea.
I wish somebody that listens tothis podcast that lives in
Wisconsin would do somethinglike that and and invite me.
I'd definitely go run them.
SPEAKER_00 (46:55):
Yeah, I mean, it's kind of cool.
Yeah.
I mean, Connecticut's smallenough that, you know, but maybe
in a place like Wisconsin,instead of I don't know how many
counties you have, but I can'timagine.
You know, but maybe doing it bycounties instead of towns.
But yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's and and uh other stateshave actually reached out to our
(47:17):
society to to our our guy thatmanages the the website to ask
him how he's done it.
And he loves sharing, he's thedata guy and loves sharing the
data.
SPEAKER_01 (47:28):
Oh, yeah, yeah.
I have to talk to him, and thenI can pass that information
along to somebody and talk theminto doing that.
That'd be great.
SPEAKER_00 (47:36):
Yeah, he it's very cool.
We actually had one woman thatjust finished her 169, and she
actually won 167 or 168 of thoseraces.
And she even set, yeah, and sheeven set course records in I
forget how many, like 10 of themor something.
SPEAKER_01 (47:57):
Oh come on, man.
SPEAKER_00 (47:59):
Yeah, yeah.
Whenever I see she and herbrother show up to races
together, and whenever I seethem, I'm like, oh gosh.
Yeah.
But they would they're and andthey're super nice too.
But they went down to Disney anddid a 10K down there, and they
both won um the 10K.
SPEAKER_01 (48:18):
Wow.
SPEAKER_00 (48:19):
Yeah.
The one race, I guess the onetown she didn't win.
Um, I guess an Olympian showedup and just decided to run the
race.
And that's the only reason sheyeah, that's the only reason she
didn't win.
SPEAKER_01 (48:32):
Yeah.
That's crazy.
Yeah.
5k and a 10k, there is there'sno chance in this world I would
ever win a because they're fast.
I mean, they're you know,usually that's those are faster
races.
And yeah, yeah, no.
No, yeah.
That's why I like distance racesbecause I'm not expected to be
fast.
SPEAKER_00 (48:51):
Well, it's funny.
I one of my patients was like,you know, when we were talking
about it, and he said, He'slike, So you're gonna win,
right?
He goes, that would be reallycool for me to be able to say to
people, my physical therapistwon this marathon.
I go, Yeah, that's never gonnahappen.
They don't understand I'm like,that's that's not gonna happen.
(49:12):
I go, I will win my race, but Iam not winning the race.
unknown (49:19):
Right.
SPEAKER_00 (49:19):
Like those people are really fast.
Yeah, like they don't be, yeah,yeah.
You know, I mean, and people arealways you know, how how long is
is a half marathon or amarathon?
How how many miles you're doing?
What?
That's just crazy.
And there's times when I get onthe highway and you know, my GPS
(49:40):
will say, Oh, in 26 miles, andI'm like, Oh my god, I have to
go from here to there, andthat's holy smokes, what am I
what did I get into?
SPEAKER_01 (49:50):
What was I thinking?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
And nobody was there to reel youin.
God, you gotta have that personthat says that's a bad decision.
Don't make that decision.
SPEAKER_00 (50:00):
I know, I know.
Well, when I finished my secondhalf marathon, I was when I
finished the first one, I um I Icouldn't, I didn't really know
anything about fueling.
So when I finished, I could noteat.
I couldn't eat before I ran.
I couldn't eat until like seveno'clock that night.
(50:23):
And I knew it was not good, butI could drink beer, but I
couldn't, I couldn't drinkwater, I couldn't eat.
And I just felt like I was, youknow, every time I thought about
eating, it just ugh.
So then, you know, the secondone came along and I was like,
okay, I got this.
I think I understand this now.
But for some reason, just beforecrossing the finish line, I
(50:46):
started hyperventilating and andI just I finished the race and I
couldn't breathe.
And I I was just and I looked atmy fiance and I said, if I ever
say I'm gonna do another one ofthese, just say no.
And he didn't.
But but then when I did uh yeah,and and when I did my third one
(51:08):
um in June, it actually wentgreat.
And I cut like 17 minutes off.
And I was yeah, and I felt greatbecause I had been fueling
properly, and um, I was like, Ithink I finally got this fueling
thing down, and I mean it was inMaine, and so I had to drive
(51:29):
four hours home that day.
So I took a shower and drovehome, and I felt great until I
got to the masked heights, andwhich was about two, three hours
in, and all of a sudden I juststarted like falling, and I
didn't know why.
I'm like, why am I crying?
And I'm calling all my friendswho run distances, and I'm like,
(51:51):
what is going on?
Why am I like, why?
Why is this happening?
And they're like, oh girl,you're gonna need someone to
hold a box of tissues when youfinish your marathon.
Like, so hopefully some of myfamily will have a box of
tissues for me at the end of themarathon because apparently I'm
gonna be a balling mess.
SPEAKER_01 (52:11):
Aww.
Well, hopefully they will bethere.
Yeah.
Do you have any words ofencouragement or anything that
kind of like got you over thefence for the running that you'd
like the audience to know andhelp them?
Anybody who's on the couch or ismaybe thinking, I could never do
a half, I could never do a 10Kof marathon.
(52:33):
Do you have anything uh likelast words that you'd like to
like really pound home for thesepeople?
SPEAKER_00 (52:39):
Really, it's about consistency.
Um, I I think that's really whatand and you don't have to do a
lot, it's just starting withsomething small and doing it
consistently.
And I I follow um Chris Nickekon Instagram.
Um, he's the first person withDown syndrome to do an Iron Man.
(53:02):
And he's so impressive.
And he and his dad have thiswhole um, it's the 1% better.
And so every day you try and do1% better than the day before.
And at the end of the month,you've done 30% better without
even trying.
And that's how he went fromcouch to iron man in three
years.
(53:22):
And I realized that that's kindof how I did my weight loss.
You know, um, it it was notperfect, it was not linear, it
was up and down.
It was like I was training for amarathon or my half marathon, my
first one, and I was gainingweight and I was getting
frustrated with it, but I justkept, you know, thinking, uh,
(53:44):
you know, I I I'm doing this,I'm being consistent, and it'll
eventually show up.
And and it's really about thatconsistency and and having
someone to help you holdaccountable.
SPEAKER_01 (53:59):
Yeah, that's very true.
unknown (54:00):
Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (54:02):
Is there any questions I haven't asked you?
Any story we missed?
I don't think so.
Okay, yeah, we covered a lot.
I loved it.
We did, yeah.
I I hope you had a good timetoo.
I did.
Thank you so much for having me.
Yeah, absolutely.
And um, I will touch base withyou and find out how the race
went.
Okay.
Excellent.
All right.
(54:22):
Absolutely.
Thanks for being here.
Bye-bye.
Thank you so much.
Bye.
Well, thanks for listening,everybody.
I hope you enjoyed Kathy'sstory.
I hope that you'll go to theshow notes and donate to her
GoFundMe to help the CancerSociety that she is raising
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money for.
If you'd like to be on thepodcast, please hit me up, Carla
at coffeecrew coaching.com.
And again, if you need a runningcoach, uh please feel free to
look me up for that as well.
And uh have a great day.
Thanks.
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Today we're gonna be talking toKathy Musca.
Um had a real fun time withKathy, Kathy.
Um, very uh inspirational.
I think you guys are gonnareally, really like her um her
story.
And so let's listen in.
(01:29):
Hi, Kathy.
Welcome to the show.
Hi, thank you for having me.
My pleasure.
So let's start right off the batand tell me how you got into
running.
Tell the audience too,obviously.
SPEAKER_00 (01:44):
Okay, yeah.
Uh I blame my friend Gosha.
Um, yeah.
So I had been walking and doinga lot of walking and walking
with her.
And one day she said, Oh, Ican't walk today.
So I said, Okay, well I'll geton the treadmill.
And I um we walked about fivemiles on the treadmill, and then
(02:05):
she goes, Oh, I can walk now.
So I hopped off the treadmilland met her.
And where we walked in MainStreet in our town, we did it,
it was about an eight-mile loop.
And I thought she was gonna benice since I had already done
five miles and she was not.
And so by the time, you know,she's Polish and she's a great,
(02:26):
a great motivator.
And she said, you know, when wefinished, she said, Oh, you've
just done the distance of halfmarathon.
I'm like, Yeah, I don't run.
She goes, but we could train.
I'm like, but I don't run.
And she's like, but we couldtrain.
I'm like, but I don't likerunning.
There is nothing you could makeme do to make me want to run.
And she's like, but we couldtrain.
(02:49):
So I said, fine, I will do a uhwe'll do a 5K.
And so I downloaded an app anddid like my first 5K.
And I was definitely a veryreluctant runner.
And but when we did the 5K, wedid it in less time than I
thought by like five minutes.
Nice.
(03:09):
So that kind of hooked me.
And then I I ran into, I'm fromConnecticut and ran into some
people there that I knew thatwere part of this group called
the Run 169 Society, where yourun a timed race in every town
in Connecticut.
Oh, wow.
There's 169 towns.
And I don't know what made medecide to join, but I did.
(03:32):
And um, and then we did a couplemonths later, I did my first
10K.
And then at that point, I said,um fine, I'll sign up for a half
marathon.
But this was also actually afterlosing 100 pounds.
So yeah.
Thanks, thanks.
(03:52):
So it was uh so I had beenrunning, I had been doing
challenges through Facebook forthe American Cancer Society, and
that was kind of how I lost theweight.
Um, and I was raising a lot ofmoney for them.
And so when it came time to runthe half marathon in Hartford,
(04:14):
um uh my one of my girlfriendswho had breast cancer said, you
know, I see you've been doing alot for the American Cancer
Society, and I'd like to run thehalf marathon with you, but can
we find a local charity?
Like, yeah, I'm open toanything.
So I literally went on Facebookand put local charity cancer and
(04:36):
found um this small charity outof Hartford called Gardner's
House.
And uh and they um they helpedpeople with cancer pay their
bills.
And you know, and when I metMaggie Gardner, she was just
such an inspiration to me.
She's a two-time breast cancersurvivor.
(04:57):
And the first time she said, Ihad a house, I had a job, I had
insurance, and I had asignificant other.
And the second time I had noneof those and ended up um living
on people's couches, living outof my car.
And she went to the AmericanCancer Society and said, I need
help.
And they said, Well, we onlyfund research.
(05:19):
And um, so then she went to theSusan G.
Comen and they basically toldher the same thing.
And she said, if I make itthrough this, then I'm gonna
help people with cancer live.
And so she's been doing that forabout 14, 15 years now.
And I so I felt very honored umand blessed to meet her, and and
(05:42):
she was like, I can't believethat you're just willing to do
this and raise money.
So I have done um three halfmarathons and raise money for
for them.
And at the ball last year, shedoes a ball every year in
October.
She had me stand up and in frontof 300 people said, Well,
Kathy's gonna run a marathon forus.
(06:04):
And I'm just standing theregoing, No, no, Kathy has no
plans of ever running amarathon.
And she kept saying, Yes,Kathy's gonna run a marathon.
And I'm like, What is she doingto me?
And a couple days later, I had apatient who was Jamaican, and
(06:25):
she said, Kathy, speak it intobeing.
And I was like, What does thatmean?
And she's like, say it and itwill happen.
And I'm like, and I guess I'mrunning a marathon.
So I've been training for mymarathon for uh since December,
and it's in three weeks fromtoday.
(06:48):
So I'm you know, I have all ofthe feels the anxiety, the
excitement, and the you know,absolutely terrified.
SPEAKER_01 (06:59):
Well, I feel like we should have waited three weeks
to uh record this.
SPEAKER_00 (07:03):
Well, you know, I can always come back.
SPEAKER_01 (07:06):
So speaking of um time, yeah, tell us when it was
that you started with thewalking and the working out and
losing the weight and how longthat progression was before you
did your first 5k and all that.
When uh when did all this takeplace?
SPEAKER_00 (07:22):
So I had um surgery uh August of 2020, where they
removed the rest of my thyroidand I had a parathyroid that was
misbehaving.
And um, so I had that removed,and for the first time in many,
many years, by October, I waslike, I actually feel good.
(07:45):
And it took a, you know, I mean,years, years.
I had had the other half of mythyroid removed before I had
kids, um, so over 20 years ago,and um because uh it was a
benign tumor, and I kept sayingto them at the time, just remove
the whole thing, and they said,No, no, no, the other side's
(08:05):
fine.
And then I went through severalendocrinologists who just told
me I was fat and depressed, andI kept saying, I just I feel
like that's not the case, butand then I finally found a very
good endocrinologist wholistened to me, and he actually
was the one who found out that Ihad the hyperparathyroidism, and
(08:25):
um, he's been fabulous.
But that October he was like,you know, maybe we should think
about bariatric surgery.
And I said, you know, I know me,it's just not for me.
And so um he did say, you know,you're diabetic.
And so he did put me on Ozempic.
(08:46):
Um, and like I said, it kind ofjust happened at the same time.
I saw this Facebook challengefor um the American Cancer
Society, and it said 50 squats aday.
And I was like, oh, I can dothat, and I signed up, and then
I was like, oh God, what was Ithinking?
I can't do 50 squats, what am Igonna do?
And I I'm a home care physicaltherapist, so I ended up um
(09:11):
saying, Okay, how do I how wouldI teach my patients?
So I had two weeks until thechallenge started, and I um held
on to the kitchen sink and I did10.
And so over those two weeks, Ibuilt up um and did them with my
patients actually.
And so by the time the challengestarted, I could do 50 in a day,
(09:34):
um, but definitely not in a row.
And by the end of the firstmonth, I was able to do 50 in a
row, and so that kind of hookedme.
And then the second month, theydid the same thing.
So I was like, well, I know Ican do this.
And so I did that again.
And by the end of that month, Iwas able to use weights and not
(09:56):
hold on anymore.
Yeah, I mean, just it was theconsistency, yeah, yeah, and of
doing a little something everyday.
And then the next month,American Cancer Society really
messed me up and they said 25push-ups.
And I went, I can't do apush-up.
And then I said, Okay, how wouldI teach my patients?
And so I uh did them on the walland did wall push-ups until
(10:21):
those got easy, and then went tothe counter.
And when those got easy, I thenwent to um the stairs, and by
the end of the month, I could doone on the floor, and I was
thrilled that I could do onestandard push-up.
And you know, but it was justthe progress.
And then by that point, I wasthree months in and I was
(10:43):
starting to notice that my bodywas changing.
And and then I think the nextmonth was um was walk 30 miles
in a in a month, and I was like,a mile a day.
I'm like a mile a day, okay, Ican do that.
And so, but I was also kind ofstill doing the squats, and um,
(11:03):
so it took me, so then I I justdid whatever the challenge was,
you know, and one month it was60 miles, and you know, and then
there I think there was like aParkinson's one that kicked in,
and you know, I do kind of andthen I had some people join me,
you know.
Um, so that made it, we had alittle Facebook messenger group,
(11:23):
which was fun.
And uh we kind of held eachother accountable, which was
good, and then so it took meabout a year to lose 80 pounds.
And um, and but by then I wasreally, I was like really
noticing it wasn't just aboutthe weight, like I really never
(11:44):
intended to lose the weight.
And you know, my endocrinologistwas like, but you've changed
your life.
You know, I completely changedeverything about my life, and
um, you know, everybody wasnoticing it around me, my kids,
and you know, it and it changedthe way that I practice as a
therapist too, because insteadof giving people 10 exercises
(12:06):
and saying, do three of these 10sets or three re 10 reps, three
sets three times a day to I wantyou to do these four exercises
and do them 10 reps once a day,and that's it.
And they all looked at me likeyou know, really, that's it.
And they'd all end up doing alittle bit more than what I told
(12:27):
them to do.
But you know, I'm like, itdoesn't take a lot, it just
takes doing somethingconsistently, yeah.
And so yeah, so then I ended upum uh it was about a year
probably a year and a half intomy journey when my my girlfriend
(12:51):
convinced me that we needed tostart running.
And um, yeah, so I've beenrunning for about three and a
half years now.
SPEAKER_01 (12:58):
Wow.
SPEAKER_00 (12:59):
So that's yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (13:00):
And is she doing the marathon with you?
SPEAKER_00 (13:03):
No, no, nobody is, no, no, it will be other
runners, just nobody you know.
Yes, uh it I'm doing actually umDetroit, the Detroit
International Marathon.
SPEAKER_02 (13:15):
Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (13:15):
Um, yeah, that was rated number one this year in
the country for because it's socool.
You actually have to carry yourpassport on you um because you
run into Canada.
Um, but my nephew actually isresponsible for that because he
said, Oh, I want to run thishalf marathon with my aunts
because one of my sisters, mysister lives out uh near
(13:38):
Detroit.
And so I originally hadcommitted to doing the half
marathon.
I didn't sign up yet, but whenwe were talking about it, I'm
like, Yeah, I'll do that withyou.
And then, you know, Maggietalked about the marathon, so I
was like, Well, I'll do themarathon, you guys do the half
marathon.
And um, so January 1st came whenyou could sign up, and I signed
(14:00):
up for the marathon, and nobodyelse did.
So, not even my nephew, not evenfor the half.
Oh no, no, no, yeah.
So luckily, I'll have a supportteam out there.
You know, my sister and and umher family will be there, and my
parents are actually coming out.
SPEAKER_01 (14:18):
So and what is your nephew's name?
SPEAKER_00 (14:21):
Sam.
SPEAKER_01 (14:21):
Sam Shane Muska.
Yeah, right?
Muscle.
We'll call him out.
SPEAKER_00 (14:26):
Yep, absolutely.
Well, I will say he did a uh 50mile trail race.
That he once he did that, he'slike, I think I'm gonna take a
hiatus from running.
SPEAKER_01 (14:40):
Well, okay, maybe Volatima.
SPEAKER_00 (14:42):
I know that.
SPEAKER_01 (14:43):
I know, but I still give him a hard time about it.
Well, yeah, you have to,absolutely.
SPEAKER_00 (14:47):
Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (14:49):
Uh I think my niece might be running that one in
Detroit.
It's pretty cool.
Yeah, it's pretty cool.
SPEAKER_00 (14:55):
Yeah, yeah, it's pretty nice.
Yeah, like you run across, Imean, it's fairly flat, which is
nice.
I mean, you run across theambassador bridge into Canada,
and apparently that's like atsunrise.
Oh, and so it's very pretty.
And then you run about six orseven miles in um in Canada.
And I guess they changed thecourse because they redid the
(15:17):
town green and they want to showoff the town green.
So, yeah, so you go aroundWindsor Town Green, and then you
come um into the tunnel, theunderwater mile is what they
call it.
To yeah, so they said that partis kind of um it's hot and humid
and loud and terrifying.
(15:38):
Yeah, yeah.
But I guess they give you like aspecial time for that one mile,
you know, to see how fast youare underwater.
SPEAKER_01 (15:47):
So okay, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (15:49):
Um but it sounds interesting.
SPEAKER_01 (15:52):
That would probably be my fastest because I'm a just
a little bit claustrophobic.
So in a car, I'd probably beokay because it's what a minute,
but yeah, I I'm not a minuterunner mile.
So I don't know, no, yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (16:05):
I I'm saying the same thing that I, you know, I'm
not really claustrophobic, butjust the the thoughts, you know,
then I'm thinking that'sprobably gonna be one of my
faster miles, too.
SPEAKER_01 (16:15):
Yeah, because there's another place where
there's an underwater tunnel, Ican't remember where, but um,
and in that one, I knowoccasionally you can see water
dripping, and so yeah, thatwould just freak me out.
SPEAKER_00 (16:28):
Yeah, I've seen videos where there is some water
dripping.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
But they're they're very proudof it.
They actually just posted avideo, you know, the the race
people just posted a video aboutit.
And they're very proud of thewhole relationship that Windsor
and Detroit have and thistunnel, and so we'll see.
SPEAKER_01 (16:50):
Yeah, well that's great.
I'm excited for you.
Hey.
I look forward to hearinghearing how that goes.
So you are you still doing theuh monthly challenges through
the Cancer Society?
SPEAKER_00 (17:05):
I have not.
Um, I haven't done those inprobably a couple of years since
I started doing since I startedfundraising for for Gardner's
House.
SPEAKER_01 (17:16):
Okay.
SPEAKER_00 (17:16):
I just felt that local have trying to find a
local charity that helps peoplelocally, that that would um that
that's more near and dear to myheart.
Um on the back of my shirt isactually a lot of names, and
unfortunately way too manynames.
(17:37):
And um, it's all the people thatI run in honor or in memory of.
And um October of 2020, I hadfour girlfriends diagnosed with
breast cancer.
And yeah, and so uh one of themwas a coworker, and um, two of
them unfortunately have passedaway.
One is the one that suggested alocal charity, and she kicks my
(18:01):
butt in all of the races thatwe've run together.
And um, the fourth is stillgoing through treatment.
So that kind of, you know, mymom is a breast cancer survivor.
My fiance's sister passed awayfrom breast cancer, and I
unfortunately never met her.
But um, yeah, the list is isgrows unfortunately way too much
(18:23):
every year that I have the womanmake shirts for me.
And um, she's actually said wecan't add any more this year.
So I don't know what I'm gonnado because I, you know, I always
have people that want their nameon the back.
So and honestly, the front andthe side.
I know, I know.
I'm like, well, I have so thisyear I ran um the Portland half
(18:46):
Portland Maine half marathon,and then I had the the Detroit
symbol put on.
Um but yeah, so I may have totake those off and start putting
names, you know, I don't know,on the sleeves or something, but
you know unfortunately, yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (19:01):
I mean, yeah, that's that's not cool.
SPEAKER_00 (19:03):
Yeah, yeah.
But honestly, I ran one one raceand I was just really, really
struggling, and I kind of said,like, God, I just need some
help.
And I it was a weird feeling,but I felt like hands on my
back.
And I was like, Oh, they are allwith me, yeah, you know, helping
me along.
SPEAKER_01 (19:23):
So take yourself out of it and remember while you're
running.
SPEAKER_00 (19:26):
Exactly.
Exactly.
Yeah.
So yeah, so people have alwayslike, why do you do this?
I'm like, I don't know.
I don't know.
I never intended to run, butthis year has definitely been in
it, you know, different.
SPEAKER_01 (19:43):
So, what all do you do to help raise money for them?
SPEAKER_00 (19:47):
Um, I do different uh different different things.
I have a GoFundMe right now forthis one.
Um, but like when I was runningmy the half marathon, I did a
sponsor of mile.
Um I I'm actually doing that forthe marathon right now, too.
And you know, just sharing theGoFundMe on social media with my
(20:09):
friends and coworkers, you know,my fiance, having him share it,
um, you know, people that are onthe shirt asking them to share.
Um, and then having shirts madeup and selling them.
Um, so you know, any profit fromthe shirt goes right to
Gardner's house.
And then I did um I did a SuperBowl pool too.
(20:35):
And but that was, you know, itwas like a not a 50-50, but
something similar.
Yeah.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (20:42):
So how many years have you been raising money for
them?
Three?
SPEAKER_00 (20:46):
Um, three.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Okay.
Yeah, because I ran my firsthalf marathon October uh three
years ago.
unknown (20:54):
Okay.
SPEAKER_01 (20:55):
Yeah.
We will definitely put links umin the uh description notes.
Um, and hopefully some of thesefine listeners will go on there
and donate to your cause.
SPEAKER_00 (21:07):
That would be wonderful.
You know, I mean, I I didn'tfind running until I was 51, and
I'll be 55 in January.
And I I I have such a differentlife because of it.
And the people that I've met, Ihad no idea.
Like at the 10K that I ran, Imet a lot of the back of the
packers, and I love thosepeople.
(21:30):
I don't know about the people inthe front, you know, they're
usually in their cars and goneby the time I get there.
But um, you know, but the peoplethat are in the back, you know,
it's the party pace, they callit that for a good reason.
And I'm definitely not fast, youknow, and I don't care.
Um, it's it's more I I I want toenjoy myself.
(21:53):
I did the Philly Love Run in uhMarch, and the atmosphere at
that race was just soincredible.
And I literally I had gotteninjured and I had no
expectations at all for thatrace.
And I was like, I'm just gonnago have fun.
(22:14):
And I actually got, you know,like one of my lower times.
I couldn't believe it.
So like I just I was takingpictures the whole time and just
enjoying the scenery because atthat race, you finish at the
bottom of the Rocky Stairs.
Oh, yeah, it's so much fun, youknow.
So, of course, the assignment isyou've gotta run off the Rocky
(22:37):
Stairs, right?
You know, my son was somortified.
Like, but I'm like, Ma, I'm nothoney, there were a lot of other
people who did it.
Yeah, he's like, Yeah, butnobody my age.
So I started showing him all thevideos of all of the people of
all ages that were doing it.
He's like, Okay, fine.
But that's really cool.
(22:59):
It was very cool.
It was very cool.
So, you know, I mean, I thinkthere's 25,000 people doing the
marathon in Detroit.
So, you know, it should be, andthere's actually a few people
from Connecticut that are gonnabe out there um that we've
connected through that run 169group.
SPEAKER_01 (23:17):
And so um I it really is that I would love
that.
SPEAKER_00 (23:24):
It's very cool.
It's it's really all ages andabilities.
I mean, there and there's acouple dogs, and and they
basically um when you get to 100towns and you get to 169,
there's celebrations for both.
Um, the hundred, you know, andthen there at the 169, you get
(23:45):
actually crowned as royalty.
So um it's very cool.
So people wear tutus, and therethere was one lady that she
loves to wear costumes.
So at hers, everybody that ranit, it was just a mile race, but
everybody that ran it ranwearing dinosaur costumes.
(24:05):
Oh, it was hilarious.
SPEAKER_01 (24:09):
It's a YouTube video.
Yes, oh god, it's hysterical.
SPEAKER_00 (24:12):
It was hilarious with little T-Rex and they make
such a funny noise when you run.
SPEAKER_01 (24:17):
I've seen them in a race like Ram Ram, and it was
it's the greatest.
I I'm gonna have to look that upand watch that again.
SPEAKER_00 (24:23):
Yeah, it was it was very funny, and unfortunately I
got sick, so I couldn't do thatrace.
But um, but yeah, so it's alwaysa big the 169 is a huge
celebration, and um there's uhabout um there's like over 5,000
members in the in the run 169group.
unknown (24:43):
Wow.
SPEAKER_00 (24:44):
Um yeah, and but there's I think it's less than
300 people who have actuallycompleted all 169 towns.
SPEAKER_01 (24:53):
So now how do they get all of the towns to agree to
a timed race?
Because some of them got to bejust like a four-way stop or
something, right?
SPEAKER_00 (25:01):
Um, so it it's very interesting.
So there's people that are justlove to be race directors.
So sometimes they'll do a pop-upone in a park or um, you know,
around a field.
We had one, um, there was onerace, well, actually three towns
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in one day, and they were allnext to each other.
So we did like a mile and a halfat this town, 2.1 at the, you
know, and then you got in thecar and drove to the next town,
and then you got into the carand drove to the next town and
um and did, you know, 1.6 there.
So, you know, all told, I thinkwe did like six miles, but it
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was between three towns, youknow, and you just bang it out
in one day.
And then there were a wholebunch of people that got in
their cars and drove two hoursto another part of the state and
did another town.
That was crazy.
But wow, yeah.
And there's a few people,there's a couple of people who
have done two rounds um of the169 or three rounds, and then
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there's kids, and then there'ssome people who walk every race
instead.
And I mean, there's kids, andthen there's um the over 60
crowd have they call themselvesthe sizzlers, and so they they
are great, and then um we havepeople that are in their 80s
that are doing it, so I love it.
(26:28):
We had one race on July 4thwhere 1,200 people did the race,
and there were 24 people in the70 to 79 category, and yeah, and
eight and in the 80 to 89, therewas um there were 13 people.
SPEAKER_01 (26:48):
Holy moly, that's awesome.
SPEAKER_00 (26:51):
Yeah, I love that.
SPEAKER_01 (26:52):
I love seeing that.
Absolutely, that's the best whenyou get older people to move.
SPEAKER_00 (26:57):
Yeah, that's key.
Well, and it's inspirational,you know, and it's saying, you
know, because people will say tome, Oh, don't your knees hurt
you?
I'm like, my knees actually feelbetter when I'm running
consistently than when I'm not.
SPEAKER_01 (27:12):
You know.
So yeah.
So of the distances, not themarathon included yet, but of
the distances you have run,what's your favorite?
SPEAKER_00 (27:23):
Um, probably probably either the 5k or the
10K.
unknown (27:28):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (27:29):
My second 10K was the first time I actually felt
like a runner.
And that was over a year in.
And I had done a half marathonby then.
But um, yeah, it was I had itwas a a race that was a a 10K
and a half marathon, and theyhad pacers for the half
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marathon, and I actually stayedwith some of the pacers because
it was like you did six milestogether, and then we broke off
and finished, and they did therest.
And I was like, it was I I wasso glad that I kind of stayed
with the pacers, and like I Ireally and I had caught a lot of
time off, so I was really prettyum happy with that, and it was a
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beautiful course and in Mystic,Connecticut, and it was just so
it was.
I mean, we have a pretty state,I will say, pretty hilly that
you don't expect sometimes, butyeah.
SPEAKER_01 (28:26):
Is that what made you feel um like a real runner
is because your pace dropped, orwas there something else that
what made you feel that?
Because you that's what yousaid.
SPEAKER_00 (28:35):
It made you nice.
It it really was.
It was it was just I felt likeeverything kind of came
together.
Um, and I it and I just feltgood.
I I felt good, like, oh, okay,like that wasn't bad.
I I I did that, you know.
Um, but then like yesterday Idid my 20 miler, my last before
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I tapered now, and I expected tofeel pretty crummy, and um I
felt like I had my nutritiondown, my fueling down, and um,
and I I actually was up untillike 10 o'clock last night and
didn't even nap.
SPEAKER_01 (29:15):
So wow.
SPEAKER_00 (29:17):
Yeah, I was pretty impressed.
So I'm like, you know, at theend of that, I'm like, I think I
got this.
That's it with me.
SPEAKER_01 (29:24):
And how are the legs feeling today after that 20
miler?
SPEAKER_00 (29:27):
Well, I did three miles today, so all right.
SPEAKER_01 (29:30):
Yeah, so I feel pretty good.
SPEAKER_00 (29:32):
Yeah, I mean, I'm a little sore, but and I have a
great physical therapist thatreally helps me quite a bit with
the dry needling and thatscraper thing.
SPEAKER_01 (29:41):
And yeah, yeah, I see mine uh every Tuesday, so
I'm aware of those guys.
Yeah.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (29:50):
Well, you know, and he's so funny because he doesn't
know how to deal with me becauseI'm a PT and I'm like, I don't I
deal with old people, like theseare not, this is not my.
Wheelhouse, so just treat melike everybody else that doesn't
know anything.
I just know the about muscles,but I don't know this technique.
Like I didn't learn dryneedling, and you know, I did
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STEM, but adding STEM to dryneedling is a foreign concept to
me.
SPEAKER_01 (30:15):
So yeah, that's about the only tools I don't
have of my own because I havethe cups and I have the grass
and tool and I have likeeverything, but it's really hard
to hurt yourself, and theyreally they work me over pretty
good.
Yeah.
I never make cup marks on mylegs, and they always make cup
marks on my legs.
SPEAKER_00 (30:35):
Oh yeah, he hasn't done cupping yet, but but he's
done a lot of the stim with thedry needling, and that really
has helped a lot.
Yeah.
Because I I got I'm sorry.
SPEAKER_01 (30:47):
Go ahead, go ahead.
SPEAKER_00 (30:48):
I I got injured back in um like February.
I was walking to a into apatient's house and I didn't
realize that their driveway kindof dipped and I jammed my leg
and got some hip pain.
And I I didn't realize where ithappened until I went back to
her house and I was like, oh,this is where I did that.
(31:09):
And at the time, um I hadconvinced myself that I had a
stress fracture in in my hip.
Um I have was diagnosed with arare genetic syndrome that
actually predisposes me tofracture.
So I had really like built it upthat I had fractured it.
And so um I I had an MRI.
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I saw the PT and then I had anMRI, and luckily it was not, but
I had a lot of you know, umtendonopathy, which was fun.
And so he really helped to calmthat down.
And but with the marathontraining and building that up,
it's kind of come back a littlebit.
So luckily he's been he's beenworking on that for the past few
(31:52):
weeks.
unknown (31:53):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (31:53):
Prior to that injury, were you injury prone?
SPEAKER_00 (31:57):
No.
No, no, I mean years ago, I umnot not since running.
No, I hadn't I I when I wastraining for the first half
marathon, I was getting likesome I was getting some
discomfort in my legs.
And a friend of mine said, youreally need to go and have a
fitting done for shoes.
(32:18):
And I was always a new balanceperson, you know, for decades I
wore new balance and I would goand get the assessment done
where you stand on the littlemachine.
And um, then I ended up going toFleet Feet, and they had the
walking pad and and the standingthing.
And um so I I did those and theybrought out three pairs of
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shoes.
And once I put the they did thenew balance last, and once they
put those on, I was like, oh mygod, these are awful.
They feel terrible.
So I've been in Brooks eversince, but the the Brooks
glycerin have been my my go-tofor my long runs.
SPEAKER_01 (32:58):
Yeah, one of my athletes, she's uh new athlete
to me.
Um, she was having some kneepain.
I said, So when's the last timeyou bought uh running shoes?
And she said, three years ago.
Oh gosh.
I didn't think to ask her, andshe's only been with me for a
couple of weeks now, but Ididn't think to ask her that
during our initial interview,not thinking that it had been
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three years since she boughtshoes, you know.
And so these are the shoes shewalks the dog in, and she runs
around town to, you know,chasing the kids, you know,
getting the kids from thisactivity to that.
And I'm like, okay, so you'regonna go to Fleet Viet and
you're gonna get some shoes, getfitted for some shoes, and they
are only for running.
Yeah.
Keep those other ones for youknow, running around town and
(33:42):
walking the dog, but these areyour running shoes because it's
amazing the injuries you can getjust by having not the right
shoe or two worn of shoes.
Yeah.
So shame on me for not askingher that sooner, but uh it was
only a couple weeks, so we'regood.
SPEAKER_00 (33:57):
Yeah.
Well, I mean, that's the nicething.
I I I've been using the Runa appfor about probably about eight,
nine, nine months now, and theyactually track how many miles on
your shoes.
So that's really good, you know.
So I can actually I've got myshort run shoes and I've got my
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long run shoes, and um, so I hadanother pair that every time I
wore, I think aggravated my hip,but it took me a while to figure
that out, so they're out of therotation.
But um, but yeah, so I I'mcoming close with my my marathon
shoes.
So I'm I'm hoping that I'll beokay.
SPEAKER_01 (34:38):
You should probably get them today and wear them for
the next couple weeks and wearthem for the marathon, in my
opinion, which means absolutelynothing.
SPEAKER_00 (34:47):
Well, I I I'm at like 280 miles on them.
So I never know exactly how manymiles.
SPEAKER_01 (34:56):
Yeah, I don't track mine.
I go, I look at the bottoms ofthem first of all, because I
have a horrid gait and I chew upthe bottom of the shoe.
Um, but I also like if I startto have like some back pain or
something or a knee that's notusual pain, I go, I must need
new shoes, right?
So then I flip them over and Igo, Oh god, yeah, I need new
shoes.
(35:16):
So yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (35:17):
The problem is I the thing that I'm scared about with
getting new ones is the onesthat I like, they don't make
anymore.
Yeah, they're the glycerin 21s,and I have a pair of glycerin
22s, but they're definitely notthe same, and I don't like them
as much.
Yeah, and they don't carry themon at the store or or online
(35:38):
either.
I'll have to look online andsee.
SPEAKER_01 (35:41):
You probably will find a pair online.
SPEAKER_00 (35:43):
True, true.
That's true.
I didn't even know.
SPEAKER_01 (35:48):
I hate it when they change the model.
Stop, just leave things alone.
Yeah, so stupid.
SPEAKER_00 (35:58):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (35:59):
Yeah, just make a different color, figure out a
new, brand new, shocking coloror something.
Stop messing with the shoes.
God makes me crazy.
SPEAKER_00 (36:07):
Yeah, yeah, it does.
It is crazy.
SPEAKER_01 (36:10):
Do you wear special socks as well?
Like a special brand.
SPEAKER_00 (36:14):
I I bought Puma socks at Costco.
And I just like them, they'revery comfortable.
SPEAKER_01 (36:22):
Yeah, I've been so many brands, and finally, um, I
wear Ingenie's now, the toesocks.
Oh, really?
Oh, yeah, and I love them, and Iwear them all, I don't wear
regular socks um unless I don'thave anything warm enough, and
then I have some real thickregular socks, right?
Um but so Ingenie had quit for alittle while making compression
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socks, like knee-highcompression socks.
And mine got, you know, holes,and so I had to throw them away.
And so I tried to buy someonline and they were just
terrible.
You could tell they it was likethey tried to take a glove and
just stretch it so it was longenough for your leg.
Yeah, I don't know what, but itjust hurt your feet.
And they just started making umthe socks again.
(37:07):
I stumbled upon it on theirwebsite, and so but they only
had one color.
So I bought three pairs of allthe same color because I'm like,
I need these socks, these arewhat I need, you know.
But yeah, and I will do thatwith shoes sometimes because
they change them.
And I hate the change becausealways is bad.
They never do do you rememberthe year when they had all those
(37:28):
the back of the shoe, that cup,and they put like a form-fitting
cup in the back.
It was the worst idea.
Whoever thought of that need tobe just taken out and whipped.
But yeah, it was and they quitdoing that, you know.
So stop.
The shoes are fine.
We wouldn't buy them if theyweren't mine.
Exactly.
I can get off my soapbox now.
Sorry.
SPEAKER_00 (37:47):
No, it's fine.
I you know, it's funny because Isee those socks and I'm always
like intrigued by them.
Because I get a blister on theend of one toe.
Just on the end, it's thestrangest place.
And then when I try and get apedicure, they always want to
file it off.
And I'm like, no, don't do that.
Just leave it alone.
I need that.
unknown (38:07):
I need that, yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (38:08):
Yeah, yeah.
That's that's what I say too.
And I if I get a petty, leavesome of those on.
I need some of those.
Yeah, I used to get them on thetips of all my toes, but it was
because I was running with mytoes, like I'm holding on in the
shoe.
Why was I why am I trying tohold on to my shoe?
I don't know.
So I had to like r remind myselfto relax my feet, and so then I
(38:28):
quit getting that.
But um, I really like it becauseit keeps my toes separated so
they don't rub no matter what.
So yeah, I really like theengineies.
I may have to try this, butyeah, they're not for everybody.
Yeah, it's kind of like a athong, you know, not for
everybody.
No, so that's kind of howengineers are, they're kind of
between your toes, like a thong.
SPEAKER_00 (38:50):
Yeah.
Well, I don't mind like thethongs, the sandals, so I wonder
how to try them.
Uh I did see a couple peoplerunning barefoot.
I doing a half marathonbarefoot, and I was like, and
have you seen their feet now?
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (39:05):
So one of my earlier podcasts, I interviewed Sonny,
uh, I think his last name isMolina.
He holds, well, at the time, heheld a record for barefoot um
marathons.
And he was in the Guinness Bookof World Records, and he's got
several, like he walked thelongest distance on Legos, and
just I'm just hurts my feetthinking about walking on Legos.
(39:27):
Oh, God, yeah.
Yeah.
So yeah, had I don't know whatepisode it is, but you go listen
to his story.
He's yeah, I met him at a racebecause he was running the
marathon.
I was running it barefoot, andI'm like, I gotta talk to this
guy afterwards.
SPEAKER_00 (39:39):
And so yeah, it was I saw a guy who did it on ice,
barefoot on ice, and he nowholds like all these Guinness
Burk book records for barefoot.
Uh and I'm like I they showedhis feet after running on ice
for a marathon, and like how doyou move after that?
SPEAKER_01 (40:02):
Were they bloody?
SPEAKER_00 (40:03):
Yeah, oh, I would bet.
Yeah, yeah.
Bloody blister, they were nastylooking.
I was just like, how do you howcan you even move after doing
that?
SPEAKER_01 (40:12):
Like yeah, you know, and I don't like to be cold, so
I know I would not like that atall.
That would be Yeah, no, yeah.
Yeah, no, no, I get cold soeasily.
And I can imagine though, ascold as I he he was his feet
probably burned, actually,right?
Because they've been so cold tobe ice of that.
And how do you know thehypothermia from that?
Or like not hypothermia, butwhat's the um frostbit?
(40:36):
How do you you know your toesget the least amount of blood, I
think.
SPEAKER_00 (40:39):
So I have no idea.
I I I I mean, I guess youcondition yourself, but I you
know yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (40:46):
Have you ever have your therapists ever had you
stand in a bucket of ice water,like for your little so I've
done that.
Um my coach had me do that.
Um, because mo even as a coach,I get a coach because you know,
I I abuse myself sometimes if Idon't have a coach.
But yeah, um, so and I wasinjured and he said, Okay, let's
stand in a so I got a big trashcan and I filled it with water
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and a little bit of ice.
And he said, But wear a sock onyour toes so that you know they
don't get too cold.
And it's it was a minute in,minute out, minute, you know,
and that minute in at thebeginning, oh I so I can't even
imagine running on ice.
That was so cold to me.
That was like torture, you know.
(41:27):
So yeah, I don't know how peopledo those ice baths.
SPEAKER_00 (41:30):
I could never do that.
Yeah.
No, I could never do it.
SPEAKER_01 (41:37):
No, I can't get our shower hot enough, I swear, some
days.
SPEAKER_00 (41:40):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (41:41):
So crazy.
So you've got Detroit coming up.
What's after that?
SPEAKER_00 (41:47):
I'm not sure.
I'm not sure.
Um, I have a girlfriend wholives down in Myrtle Beach, and
she said, Hey, do you want tocome down and do a half in
Myrtle Beach with me?
Um, I think in March.
So possibly that.
unknown (42:02):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (42:02):
And then I might really start trying to tick away
at the the towns in Connecticutbecause I'm only at 33.
33.
No, it's all at your own pace.
So, I mean, there's some peoplethat will do it a lot, you know,
they'll do 70 races in a year.
And I mean, we figured it outthat, you know, average cost of
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a race, that it's about fivegrand just race entries.
SPEAKER_01 (42:32):
So do they make you pay for those ones that are only
like a mile and then you go tothe and who gets the money?
SPEAKER_00 (42:39):
Um, there most of them are charities.
unknown (42:42):
Okay.
SPEAKER_00 (42:42):
There's different charities that that will sponsor
it.
So, you know, so at least themoney's going to a good cause.
But for sure.
Um, yeah.
I mean, sometimes it's uh aschool, sometimes it's you know,
uh a foundation, you know.
Um there was one I did for um itwas a different cancer
(43:03):
foundation.
SPEAKER_01 (43:04):
Yeah, I could get behind that then, you know.
SPEAKER_00 (43:07):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I mean, I think actually I thinkall of them are are actually
charity.
unknown (43:14):
Okay.
SPEAKER_00 (43:14):
Yeah, I can't think of one that wasn't so you don't
feel so bad.
SPEAKER_01 (43:19):
Right, right, yeah.
Yeah, here's fifty dollars forthis one mile race I'm gonna
run.
So really I'm just getting mymoney, which is if it's uh you
know, as long as the peoplearen't pocketing it, that would
be my biggest concern, I think.
SPEAKER_00 (43:30):
Yeah, yeah.
There was one race I did thissummer, and um it was uh it was
in memory of a a kid who diedskateboarding, and um he was
like 15, and his um family dothis race and raise money, and
they send kids to running campand um so they sponsor that.
(43:54):
So that was kind of cool too,because they had like the kids
that were receiving the thescholarships.
SPEAKER_01 (44:00):
Oh yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (44:01):
So yeah, and then they have uh these pins, safety
pins that had these beads thatwere colors that he liked, and
they said, you know, attach itto your shoe, and if you do
something exciting and fun, youknow, take a picture and and tag
us in it.
SPEAKER_01 (44:17):
So that's really nice.
SPEAKER_00 (44:19):
Yeah, so hopefully I'm gonna be able to remember to
do that and on the bridge orsomething or something weird,
you know, in Detroit.
But you know, because I'm allabout trying to to help other
charities and yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (44:34):
Well it sounds to me like you've done races in
because you live in Connecticut,right?
And so you've done races inseveral other states.
Are you thinking about doinglike a half marathon in every
state and joining that club too?
SPEAKER_00 (44:47):
You know, I I think I need to tackle Connecticut
first before before I do that.
I you know, and I I I always saythis is my first marathon.
I it might be my only.
I don't, you know, it it's sotime consuming training because
I am slow.
So um, you know, um it's justreally time consuming to train
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for a marathon.
SPEAKER_01 (45:10):
It is.
SPEAKER_00 (45:11):
Um, yeah, you miss out on a lot, you know, and and
um a lot of times I spend mytimes listening to podcasts when
I'm running, but so I feel likeI'm getting educated about
things, but yeah, but it's justtime away from other things that
you gotta do.
And yeah, um, you know, I meanthe the run 169 is uh it it's
(45:38):
there's some people that willbang out four towns in a in a
weekend.
Um, you know, and then we havethis great guy who keeps the
website up and they have peoplethat keep track of all the
races, and then they have itwhether it's an elusive town.
Um, so if they only have onerace a year, um then that's
considered elusive.
(45:59):
If they have a semi-elusive,then they have two races in a
year.
Um, and then there's some townsthat have like a summer series,
and so you can, you know, youhave like eight opportunities in
the summer to go.
Um so, but they're very goodabout keeping track of that
stuff.
So um, and then if there's thetown where someone is like, I'm
(46:22):
at 168 towns and I just needthis one town, then some lovely
race director will say, Okay,I'll do a pop-up race for you.
And um, so that's how a lot ofpeople have gotten those.
But um, but you know, you tryand have something that is
lasting in the town, you know,and and that it's for a good
(46:43):
cause.
SPEAKER_01 (46:43):
Yeah, that's really great.
I really like that idea.
I wish somebody that listens tothis podcast that lives in
Wisconsin would do somethinglike that and and invite me.
I'd definitely go run them.
SPEAKER_00 (46:55):
Yeah, I mean, it's kind of cool.
Yeah.
I mean, Connecticut's smallenough that, you know, but maybe
in a place like Wisconsin,instead of I don't know how many
counties you have, but I can'timagine.
You know, but maybe doing it bycounties instead of towns.
But yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's and and uh other stateshave actually reached out to our
(47:17):
society to to our our guy thatmanages the the website to ask
him how he's done it.
And he loves sharing, he's thedata guy and loves sharing the
data.
SPEAKER_01 (47:28):
Oh, yeah, yeah.
I have to talk to him, and thenI can pass that information
along to somebody and talk theminto doing that.
That'd be great.
SPEAKER_00 (47:36):
Yeah, he it's very cool.
We actually had one woman thatjust finished her 169, and she
actually won 167 or 168 of thoseraces.
And she even set, yeah, and sheeven set course records in I
forget how many, like 10 of themor something.
SPEAKER_01 (47:57):
Oh come on, man.
SPEAKER_00 (47:59):
Yeah, yeah.
Whenever I see she and herbrother show up to races
together, and whenever I seethem, I'm like, oh gosh.
Yeah.
But they would they're and andthey're super nice too.
But they went down to Disney anddid a 10K down there, and they
both won um the 10K.
SPEAKER_01 (48:18):
Wow.
SPEAKER_00 (48:19):
Yeah.
The one race, I guess the onetown she didn't win.
Um, I guess an Olympian showedup and just decided to run the
race.
And that's the only reason sheyeah, that's the only reason she
didn't win.
SPEAKER_01 (48:32):
Yeah.
That's crazy.
Yeah.
5k and a 10k, there is there'sno chance in this world I would
ever win a because they're fast.
I mean, they're you know,usually that's those are faster
races.
And yeah, yeah, no.
No, yeah.
That's why I like distance racesbecause I'm not expected to be
fast.
SPEAKER_00 (48:51):
Well, it's funny.
I one of my patients was like,you know, when we were talking
about it, and he said, He'slike, So you're gonna win,
right?
He goes, that would be reallycool for me to be able to say to
people, my physical therapistwon this marathon.
I go, Yeah, that's never gonnahappen.
They don't understand I'm like,that's that's not gonna happen.
(49:12):
I go, I will win my race, but Iam not winning the race.
unknown (49:19):
Right.
SPEAKER_00 (49:19):
Like those people are really fast.
Yeah, like they don't be, yeah,yeah.
You know, I mean, and people arealways you know, how how long is
is a half marathon or amarathon?
How how many miles you're doing?
What?
That's just crazy.
And there's times when I get onthe highway and you know, my GPS
(49:40):
will say, Oh, in 26 miles, andI'm like, Oh my god, I have to
go from here to there, andthat's holy smokes, what am I
what did I get into?
SPEAKER_01 (49:50):
What was I thinking?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
And nobody was there to reel youin.
God, you gotta have that personthat says that's a bad decision.
Don't make that decision.
SPEAKER_00 (50:00):
I know, I know.
Well, when I finished my secondhalf marathon, I was when I
finished the first one, I um I Icouldn't, I didn't really know
anything about fueling.
So when I finished, I could noteat.
I couldn't eat before I ran.
I couldn't eat until like seveno'clock that night.
(50:23):
And I knew it was not good, butI could drink beer, but I
couldn't, I couldn't drinkwater, I couldn't eat.
And I just felt like I was, youknow, every time I thought about
eating, it just ugh.
So then, you know, the secondone came along and I was like,
okay, I got this.
I think I understand this now.
But for some reason, just beforecrossing the finish line, I
(50:46):
started hyperventilating and andI just I finished the race and I
couldn't breathe.
And I I was just and I looked atmy fiance and I said, if I ever
say I'm gonna do another one ofthese, just say no.
And he didn't.
But but then when I did uh yeah,and and when I did my third one
(51:08):
um in June, it actually wentgreat.
And I cut like 17 minutes off.
And I was yeah, and I felt greatbecause I had been fueling
properly, and um, I was like, Ithink I finally got this fueling
thing down, and I mean it was inMaine, and so I had to drive
(51:29):
four hours home that day.
So I took a shower and drovehome, and I felt great until I
got to the masked heights, andwhich was about two, three hours
in, and all of a sudden I juststarted like falling, and I
didn't know why.
I'm like, why am I crying?
And I'm calling all my friendswho run distances, and I'm like,
(51:51):
what is going on?
Why am I like, why?
Why is this happening?
And they're like, oh girl,you're gonna need someone to
hold a box of tissues when youfinish your marathon.
Like, so hopefully some of myfamily will have a box of
tissues for me at the end of themarathon because apparently I'm
gonna be a balling mess.
SPEAKER_01 (52:11):
Aww.
Well, hopefully they will bethere.
Yeah.
Do you have any words ofencouragement or anything that
kind of like got you over thefence for the running that you'd
like the audience to know andhelp them?
Anybody who's on the couch or ismaybe thinking, I could never do
a half, I could never do a 10Kof marathon.
(52:33):
Do you have anything uh likelast words that you'd like to
like really pound home for thesepeople?
SPEAKER_00 (52:39):
Really, it's about consistency.
Um, I I think that's really whatand and you don't have to do a
lot, it's just starting withsomething small and doing it
consistently.
And I I follow um Chris Nickekon Instagram.
Um, he's the first person withDown syndrome to do an Iron Man.
(53:02):
And he's so impressive.
And he and his dad have thiswhole um, it's the 1% better.
And so every day you try and do1% better than the day before.
And at the end of the month,you've done 30% better without
even trying.
And that's how he went fromcouch to iron man in three
years.
(53:22):
And I realized that that's kindof how I did my weight loss.
You know, um, it it was notperfect, it was not linear, it
was up and down.
It was like I was training for amarathon or my half marathon, my
first one, and I was gainingweight and I was getting
frustrated with it, but I justkept, you know, thinking, uh,
(53:44):
you know, I I I'm doing this,I'm being consistent, and it'll
eventually show up.
And and it's really about thatconsistency and and having
someone to help you holdaccountable.
SPEAKER_01 (53:59):
Yeah, that's very true.
unknown (54:00):
Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (54:02):
Is there any questions I haven't asked you?
Any story we missed?
I don't think so.
Okay, yeah, we covered a lot.
I loved it.
We did, yeah.
I I hope you had a good timetoo.
I did.
Thank you so much for having me.
Yeah, absolutely.
And um, I will touch base withyou and find out how the race
went.
Okay.
Excellent.
All right.
(54:22):
Absolutely.
Thanks for being here.
Bye-bye.
Thank you so much.
Bye.
Well, thanks for listening,everybody.
I hope you enjoyed Kathy'sstory.
I hope that you'll go to theshow notes and donate to her
GoFundMe to help the CancerSociety that she is raising
(54:43):
money for.
If you'd like to be on thepodcast, please hit me up, Carla
at coffeecrew coaching.com.
And again, if you need a runningcoach, uh please feel free to
look me up for that as well.
And uh have a great day.
Thanks.
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