October 23, 2024 • 38 mins
Do you want psychological closure upon leaving academia? In this episode of the PostdocTransformation Show, you will learn about the concept of creating a time capsule as an exercise to assist scientists transitioning from academia to industry. Prof. Dr. Eleonore Soei-Winkels shares her personal experience of moving from neuroscience to an IT analyst role, touching on the emotional and identity challenges involved. The episode offers a detailed guide on crafting a time capsule, which includes writing reflective letters and gathering symbolic items from one's academic past. The process not only honors past achievements but also helps in embracing new professional paths, providing reassurance that scientific skills are valuable in business.
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Dear PostdocTransformer, welcome backto the PostdocTransformation Show for
the scientist leaping into business.
I'm your host professor doctor EleonoreSoei-Winkels and today we're exploring
a unique and symbolic exercise,creating a time capsule to find peace
and letting go of your identity asa scientist before starting your
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first non-academic our non-scientificrole in business or industry.
Are you ready?
To be honest before becoming a mom oftwo kids in primary and secondary school,
I wasn't even aware of that concept.
However, I have always collectedmemorabilia from my past in a huge
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huge box and I'm forward to look intoit together with my kids one day.
I learned about this concept fromthe school teacher of my kid,
while I preparing to start fifthgrade in her secondary school.
And I thought this is a greatepisode topic also for you.
So maybe you've been alreadycontemplating about the big question.
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How do I carry forward?
The best The best of my academicexperience while letting go of the
aspects that no longer serve me.
How can I make peace with, you know,leaving the world of science behind
me, at least in a way that I haveknown it since entering university,
graduating as a bachelor, as a master,and maybe already as a PhD and step
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into the new role for which I haveno clue about, you know, the socio.
And professional name of the game.
today, we're going to talk about exactlythat and how you can create your very
own PostdocTransformation time capsule toacknowledge honor, and also let go all the
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identity as a scientist before steppinginto your new professional journey.
Plus I'll share my own examples as ascientist who made the leap into business.
Right after my graduationday in neuroscience.
we dive into the nuts and bolts ofmaking a time capsule let's talk about
why such a time capsule is a powerfulexercise for your career transition.
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So when you are leaving science behind
you will also say goodbye to thevery structured and methods and
evidence-based world of science?
And trade that in for afast-paced sometimes even
ambiguous world of business.
So transitioning out of academiainto a non-scientific role.
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I can feel like a significantchange in identity.
And
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And just to give you a heads-upof what can happen to you.
I quickly share my own career transition.
And most importantly, myemotional turmoil back then.
I remember that feeling.
When I made the leap myself,it wasn't just about a new job.
It was about letting go of thisdeeply ingrained idea of who I was.
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I was a scientist, right?
A, researcher decorated with twoscholarships, three first author
publications, one monographyand two junior research awards.
I wanted to become a professorsince I was a teenager.
And suddenly I had to I had tofigure out how I can let go.
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Of that identity while still appreciating.
What it gave me.
And trying not to be arrogant.
To be humble and to learn as much as I canto hit the ground running was something.
I had to learn.
In a hard way.
I was absolutely thrown intocold waters when I leaped into
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business because I applied.
At Aldi south for becominga technical translator.
Because obviously I was able tospeak in English and also I had.
A few coding skills.
But I wouldn't have never appliedfor the role as an it analyst.
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However, the hiring manager.
Challenged me.
And said with a PhD, you'll probably,won't be happy as a technical translator.
So what if.
You would start as an IT analyst.
Long story short, Istarted as an IT analyst.
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Imposter syndrome.
Was my friend for more than a year.
I think.
And I just want to tell you that.
This phase.
It was a long phase because.
I had not created a time capsule.
Because I was always in between this.
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Why did I leave?
Should I have tried or not, or whatever?
The only thing that was keeping me onwardsin my transition and to embrace my future
was because I was aligned, my decision wasaligned according to my vision of life.
And that's part of thenext episode as well.
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let's go back to theconcept of a time capsule.
It's an intentional way to releaseyour past self without rejecting it.
You're not erasing your experience.
Instead you are packaging itup, put a bow on that, honor it
and give yourself the freedom tomove forward into a new chapter.
It creates psychological closure.
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do you actually create this time capsule?
I want you to approach this as ameaningful ritual, and I'll put you in a
city to reflect on what has shaped you.
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Here's a quick guide tohelp you get started.
You can write threeletters, letter number one.
Write a letter to your scientist's self.
Explain why you want to leave academia?
changed since you started inacademia and what has disappointed
you or disillusioned you?
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Identify and also be gratefulfor all your lessons learned.
The resilience you have built and theskills you have gained through your
research years publishing and experiments.
You've been shaped by thisjourney and it's time to honor it.
And if you are or will bebe looking back in anger.
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You can include a section of ventingabout the things you had to endure.
This might be even useful as aheads up, if your younger peers
or your future children want tobecome scientists themselves.
And to be honest, especially if you are.
And underrepresented underprivilegedand underserved scientists.
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You might have experienced more andother things as other people in the lab.
Identify.
And discerning what you can and cannotchange will also help you to cope with
future challenges in a new setting.
Because usually the demons are the same.
Number two, write another letter toyour future self, imagining how you
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will be growing in your new role.
How you will adapt and the new skills thatyou will develop in the business world.
And if you can't write one now becauseit's all too, you know, Diffuse.
Don't worry.
In our last episode number57, embrace your future.
Appreciate your past.
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We actually talked about goal setting.
we also talked aboutthe business model use.
So that episode will be very handy forwriting your letter to the future self.
And just to be realistic.
This gap between.
PhD graduation or your last postdocposition and your first job in business.
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In than a year.
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Now, back to this episode and the thirdthree, write a letter as a warning and a
checkup before coming back to academia.
This might sound crazy.
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I know, but especially if you feelforced out of academia because you
tried everything and you achievedeverything, but tenured professorship.
Or maybe you left before andhave the vague feeling of not
having tried enough or whatever.
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Right.
So if you have this mixed feelings,then it is possible that every now and
then you will think of coming back.
And I swear at every networking eventI go to, when I share that I am a
professor, sooner or later one or twoor three people will come sign with me
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that, you know, They are also a PhD,but to come back to academia or they
want to finish that PhD or whatever.
So.
All of that is legitimate.
And that's why I recorded it also.
This episode, number 11, the bestreasons for you to come back to academia
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after you have thrived in business.
Listen to that or save that forlater, you will thank me later.
But back to you again for this situation.
Here's your writing prompt.
What do you need?
Uh, what must happen so that youwould want to come back to academia?
What do you want to do differentlyas a professor compared to
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your before you were leaving.
Which is today, right?
So, what do we want to dodifferently as compared to
other professors from your past.
Essentially.
What would be your why to come back?
And in also three letters,you can be creative.
Maybe you want to draw a picture?
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Create a collage.
Write a song or, you know, a poem.
If you're not creative, you caneven use AI to create something
with your words, with your letter.
I often write songs for importantmilestones, turning points in my life.
example, I wrote and sang also myPostdocTransformation Show jingle.
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And every time I listened to thatwhile I'm editing or so it reminds
me that I actually had plansto record songs when I was 16.
I participated in songwriting contests.
Just in case you're asking no, all majorrecord companies at that time rejected me.
So.
That is gone in my past.
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Now back to you again, I wantyou to think about symbolic items
from your lab or your office.
Okay.
So include physical items thatrepresent your time in academia.
Maybe it's an old lab notebook or aresearch tool, like pipette or in my
case, it would have been somethingwith an EEG cap, something Ref can
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even be a conference book or abstractbook or a badge or something like that.
These objects hold memories and representa version of yourself that is evolving.
And letting go of them in thiscapsule helps release your
attachment to that that identity.
And here's something that is probablyvery old school and you would laugh, but.
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I never did this.
So I'm telling you.
Take a picture of your lab and your desk.
I wish I had done that.
Back then that was not a thing to documenteverything with your iPhone, so to speak.
But, you know, now my messy desk and paperpiles stained with coffee and breadcrumbs
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and everything, the EEG, the FMRI scannerin Germany, Australia, and England.
I just memories in my head.
And the building in Germanyactually has been refurbished.
So there's nothing thatI can go to in Germany.
Two.
Celebrate my memories.
I want you to have atleast pictures of that.
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Your key scientific achievements are alsothe next thing that I want you to cherish.
You should collect all the thingsthat represent your proudest academic
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achievements, our accomplishments,maybe a published paper or an award.
This isn't about just, you know,letting go and throw that away.
But also about reminding yourselfabout how far you've come.
These achievements aren't erased.
They are part of a foundation that you'rebuilding on as you move into business.
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Print out.
your papers.
Even the one in progress.
Print out the posters in small,of course, maybe even copy the
journal cover off your article.
And here's a pro tip.
You should also print out yourstudent's teaching evaluations.
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If you want to remember them.
Okay.
So if they aren't overthe moon, don't worry.
Usually Usually students who you failedin their exams, or you mark below their
expectations, tend to be overrepresentedin the the evaluations and of course,
They will mark you as low as possible.
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It's only human.
You'll have to reframe that accordingly.
I also want you to think about aletting go token, this can be something
simple, like a small rock, or a slipof paper with a single word on it.
Symbolizing what you need to release.
Perhaps it's your fear of not being seenas an expert in your new role in war?
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Maybe it's your worry about navigatingoffice politics or learning a
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Whatever it is includes somethingthat embodies your intend to
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Because you really have to control that.
Personally, I felt like a personanon grata when I left academia.
that was also reflected inmy early days in business.
My husband always said that at that time,had this feeling that I felt of myself
like being Plankton at the very last.
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supply chain, so to speak.
And I had a huge learning curve toevolve into my new professional identity.
Even though academia and businessesseem to be in stark contrast your
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Once you have chosenyour time capsule items.
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That's the three letters.
One to the scientists one to thefuture self, and one also as a checkup,
whether you want to come back or not.
Then you have also items fromyour lab or the pictures, and
also your letting go token.
Once you have all your time capsule items.
I want you to find a nice box.
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Like I I have only one big boxtoo, which I continuously add.
And I you like, you can download andprint out our PostdocTransformation
time capsule picture.
So you can use that forsealing your time capsule.
Yes.
You heard me correctly.
I said sealing y.
Why?
Now.
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That's the most powerful partsealing the time capsule.
This act symbolizes that youare ready to embrace you a
future without being held back.
By the weight of your past andthink of this PostdocTransformation
hot air balloon, right.
When you enter the balloon is stillon the ground and it won't lift up.
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When it's still have those weights onit attached, but if you let them go.
The balloon will be ableto go up in the air.
And that's essentially what I wantyou to also have for yourself.
This time capsule symbolizesthe weight of your past.
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it doesn't mean that you're forgettingyour experience as a scientist, like I
said already, but it's rather recognizingthat it's time for you to lift up.
You can physically seal the capsuleby placing your items in a box.
I could container some peopleeven like to bury it or Somewhere.
If you don't want to part with physicalobjects, the act of mentally sealing
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time capsule is also working well.
The key is to give yourselfpermission to let go of parts
of your scientific identity.
That no longer serve you.
let go of expectations, tied tothe role as a scientist, and to
let go of the idea that when youtransition into a business role, your
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worth as a researcher is reduced.
It's not.
And I can tell you.
I have already met my own supervisorsfrom my past a couple of times.
At it was always a heartfelt welcome back.
And celebration of whatI have become since then.
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just shifting your skills andperspective into a new arena.
And even, you know,become something bigger.
You allow yourself to use differenttype of skillset that that maybe
even wasn't appreciated in science.
now you can be your true self.
Maybe you're using your transferableskills and think, well, these
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are not your best core scientificskills, but it doesn't matter just
because you can be a scientist.
You don't have to be ascientist all the time.
if your new role is a non-scientificone being too scientific can be
intimidating for your team members.
Your boss.
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You don't have to prove it.
You know what you can.
And the time capsule will reflect that.
So once you are a time capsule tosealed, take a moment to reflect you've
honored your past, and now you'reready to step confidently into your
new future and scientific background.
Your mindset is still withyou, but it doesn't have to
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define you in this new space.
Okay.
Think of it as a jumpstartfoundation, you're building on not
a limiting box you're stuck in.
And moving into business, or industry.
will new skills, a businessmindset, obviously.
The willingness to be a beginner.
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A bloody beginner again, in some areas.
All areas really.
But remember the problemsolving abilities.
Analytical mindset and persistence thatyou have honed as a scientist are huge
assets, you're more prepared for thisnew challenge then you may realize.
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Remember, you are a postdoc transformer,you are highly intelligent, well
educated, a bachelor, master, andmaybe you have already your doctor
under your belt, or you are a postdoc.
You are internationally experienced,fluent in English, a leader and
expert in your prior research field.
You're resilient, brilliant inadaptation and problem solving.
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You are eager to bring in thetransferable and monetizable
skills needed in many companies.
to embrace the future and to become orremain an innovator in their markets.
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And now, back to the show.
You don't need to completely letgo of your identity, but you need
to allow room for your new identityto grow and make new mistakes.
evolve as a personality.
By creating this time capsule youhave created a boundary between who
you were and who you are becoming.
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One that allows you to move forwardwith clarity and confidence.
And I'm not the only one telling you that.
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PostdocTransformation Show with Dr.
Sonja Ulland Ulaan.
Dr.
Christine Solf and Dr.
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Because I will link tothem in the show notes.
And maybe And maybeyou will also discover.
That you had prejudices towards thebusiness world, and then you can be a
great sales and marketing professional.
Even though that is more or less theopposite of what a scientist would behave.
But because you
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were able to let go and to embrace.
You are giving yourself theopportunity just discover this as well.
So what's next after you have created yourtime capsule I would I want you to think
of this as the first step in buildingthe bridge to your new professional life.
in our season finale we will buildthe bridge you need tomorrow.
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So stay tuned and subscribe onyour favorite podcast player, if
you haven't so you don't miss itnow back to your time capsule this
symbolic letting go, doesn't end here.
It's something that you can revisit.
Whenever you need to, wheneveryou feel the weight of your past,
creeping into your new role.
As you move forward, I encourage youto adopt the mindset of a learner.
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Embrace the fact that you will encountersituations that feel unfamiliar.
Just Just like you did when you firststepped into the lab or defended
your thesis, challenges are partof your growth and transformation
into this new version of yourself.
After a couple of years in IT,which I really enjoyed as an IT
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strategy consultant at Accenture.
I became pregnant and returned toacademia to be appointed as a professor
at an applied university in Germany.
That was 2014.
So 10 My oldest kid is 10 years oldand I have just recently celebrated my
10 years anniversary as a professor.
And as much as I love teaching.
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I love learning.
And working in tech.
So learned to play the social mediagame and to create a podcast and
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we dive into the nuts and bolts ofmaking a time capsule let's talk about
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And most importantly, myemotional turmoil back then.
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When I made the leap myself,it wasn't just about a new job.
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I was a scientist, right?
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I wanted to become a professorsince I was a teenager.
And suddenly I had to I had tofigure out how I can let go.
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Of that identity while still appreciating.
What it gave me.
And trying not to be arrogant.
To be humble and to learn as much as I canto hit the ground running was something.
I had to learn.
In a hard way.
I was absolutely thrown intocold waters when I leaped into
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At Aldi south for becominga technical translator.
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You would start as an IT analyst.
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Imposter syndrome.
Was my friend for more than a year.
I think.
And I just want to tell you that.
This phase.
It was a long phase because.
I had not created a time capsule.
Because I was always in between this.
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Why did I leave?
Should I have tried or not, or whatever?
The only thing that was keeping me onwardsin my transition and to embrace my future
was because I was aligned, my decision wasaligned according to my vision of life.
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let's go back to theconcept of a time capsule.
It's an intentional way to releaseyour past self without rejecting it.
You're not erasing your experience.
Instead you are packaging itup, put a bow on that, honor it
and give yourself the freedom tomove forward into a new chapter.
It creates psychological closure.
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Here's a quick guide tohelp you get started.
You can write threeletters, letter number one.
Write a letter to your scientist's self.
Explain why you want to leave academia?
changed since you started inacademia and what has disappointed
you or disillusioned you?
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Identify and also be gratefulfor all your lessons learned.
The resilience you have built and theskills you have gained through your
research years publishing and experiments.
You've been shaped by thisjourney and it's time to honor it.
And if you are or will bebe looking back in anger.
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You can include a section of ventingabout the things you had to endure.
This might be even useful as aheads up, if your younger peers
or your future children want tobecome scientists themselves.
And to be honest, especially if you are.
And underrepresented underprivilegedand underserved scientists.
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You might have experienced more andother things as other people in the lab.
Identify.
And discerning what you can and cannotchange will also help you to cope with
future challenges in a new setting.
Because usually the demons are the same.
Number two, write another letter toyour future self, imagining how you
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will be growing in your new role.
How you will adapt and the new skills thatyou will develop in the business world.
And if you can't write one now becauseit's all too, you know, Diffuse.
Don't worry.
In our last episode number57, embrace your future.
Appreciate your past.
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We actually talked about goal setting.
we also talked aboutthe business model use.
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checkup before coming back to academia.
This might sound crazy.
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I know, but especially if you feelforced out of academia because you
tried everything and you achievedeverything, but tenured professorship.
Or maybe you left before andhave the vague feeling of not
having tried enough or whatever.
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Right.
So if you have this mixed feelings,then it is possible that every now and
then you will think of coming back.
And I swear at every networking eventI go to, when I share that I am a
professor, sooner or later one or twoor three people will come sign with me
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that, you know, They are also a PhD,but to come back to academia or they
want to finish that PhD or whatever.
So.
All of that is legitimate.
And that's why I recorded it also.
This episode, number 11, the bestreasons for you to come back to academia
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after you have thrived in business.
Listen to that or save that forlater, you will thank me later.
But back to you again for this situation.
Here's your writing prompt.
What do you need?
Uh, what must happen so that youwould want to come back to academia?
What do you want to do differentlyas a professor compared to
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your before you were leaving.
Which is today, right?
So, what do we want to dodifferently as compared to
other professors from your past.
Essentially.
What would be your why to come back?
And in also three letters,you can be creative.
Maybe you want to draw a picture?
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Create a collage.
Write a song or, you know, a poem.
If you're not creative, you caneven use AI to create something
with your words, with your letter.
I often write songs for importantmilestones, turning points in my life.
example, I wrote and sang also myPostdocTransformation Show jingle.
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And every time I listened to thatwhile I'm editing or so it reminds
me that I actually had plansto record songs when I was 16.
I participated in songwriting contests.
Just in case you're asking no, all majorrecord companies at that time rejected me.
So.
That is gone in my past.
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Now back to you again, I wantyou to think about symbolic items
from your lab or your office.
Okay.
So include physical items thatrepresent your time in academia.
Maybe it's an old lab notebook or aresearch tool, like pipette or in my
case, it would have been somethingwith an EEG cap, something Ref can
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even be a conference book or abstractbook or a badge or something like that.
These objects hold memories and representa version of yourself that is evolving.
And letting go of them in thiscapsule helps release your
attachment to that that identity.
And here's something that is probablyvery old school and you would laugh, but.
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I never did this.
So I'm telling you.
Take a picture of your lab and your desk.
I wish I had done that.
Back then that was not a thing to documenteverything with your iPhone, so to speak.
But, you know, now my messy desk and paperpiles stained with coffee and breadcrumbs
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and everything, the EEG, the FMRI scannerin Germany, Australia, and England.
I just memories in my head.
And the building in Germanyactually has been refurbished.
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Celebrate my memories.
I want you to have atleast pictures of that.
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Your key scientific achievements are alsothe next thing that I want you to cherish.
You should collect all the thingsthat represent your proudest academic
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achievements, our accomplishments,maybe a published paper or an award.
This isn't about just, you know,letting go and throw that away.
But also about reminding yourselfabout how far you've come.
These achievements aren't erased.
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Even the one in progress.
Print out the posters in small,of course, maybe even copy the
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If you want to remember them.
Okay.
So if they aren't overthe moon, don't worry.
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expectations, tend to be overrepresentedin the the evaluations and of course,
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It's only human.
You'll have to reframe that accordingly.
I also want you to think about aletting go token, this can be something
simple, like a small rock, or a slipof paper with a single word on it.
Symbolizing what you need to release.
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Because you really have to control that.
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that was also reflected inmy early days in business.
My husband always said that at that time,had this feeling that I felt of myself
like being Plankton at the very last.
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supply chain, so to speak.
And I had a huge learning curve toevolve into my new professional identity.
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Once you have chosenyour time capsule items.
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That's the three letters.
One to the scientists one to thefuture self, and one also as a checkup,
whether you want to come back or not.
Then you have also items fromyour lab or the pictures, and
also your letting go token.
Once you have all your time capsule items.
I want you to find a nice box.
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Like I I have only one big boxtoo, which I continuously add.
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So you can use that forsealing your time capsule.
Yes.
You heard me correctly.
I said sealing y.
Why?
Now.
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That's the most powerful partsealing the time capsule.
This act symbolizes that youare ready to embrace you a
future without being held back.
By the weight of your past andthink of this PostdocTransformation
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When you enter the balloon is stillon the ground and it won't lift up.
(26:22):
When it's still have those weights onit attached, but if you let them go.
The balloon will be ableto go up in the air.
And that's essentially what I wantyou to also have for yourself.
This time capsule symbolizesthe weight of your past.
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it doesn't mean that you're forgettingyour experience as a scientist, like I
said already, but it's rather recognizingthat it's time for you to lift up.
You can physically seal the capsuleby placing your items in a box.
I could container some peopleeven like to bury it or Somewhere.
If you don't want to part with physicalobjects, the act of mentally sealing
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time capsule is also working well.
The key is to give yourselfpermission to let go of parts
of your scientific identity.
That no longer serve you.
let go of expectations, tied tothe role as a scientist, and to
let go of the idea that when youtransition into a business role, your
(27:28):
worth as a researcher is reduced.
It's not.
And I can tell you.
I have already met my own supervisorsfrom my past a couple of times.
At it was always a heartfelt welcome back.
And celebration of whatI have become since then.
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just shifting your skills andperspective into a new arena.
And even, you know,become something bigger.
You allow yourself to use differenttype of skillset that that maybe
even wasn't appreciated in science.
now you can be your true self.
Maybe you're using your transferableskills and think, well, these
(28:11):
are not your best core scientificskills, but it doesn't matter just
because you can be a scientist.
You don't have to be ascientist all the time.
if your new role is a non-scientificone being too scientific can be
intimidating for your team members.
Your boss.
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You don't have to prove it.
You know what you can.
And the time capsule will reflect that.
So once you are a time capsule tosealed, take a moment to reflect you've
honored your past, and now you'reready to step confidently into your
new future and scientific background.
Your mindset is still withyou, but it doesn't have to
(28:54):
define you in this new space.
Okay.
Think of it as a jumpstartfoundation, you're building on not
a limiting box you're stuck in.
And moving into business, or industry.
will new skills, a businessmindset, obviously.
The willingness to be a beginner.
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Analytical mindset and persistence thatyou have honed as a scientist are huge
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You don't need to completely letgo of your identity, but you need
to allow room for your new identityto grow and make new mistakes.
evolve as a personality.
By creating this time capsule youhave created a boundary between who
you were and who you are becoming.
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One that allows you to move forwardwith clarity and confidence.
And I'm not the only one telling you that.
I want you to also listento the interviews of the
PostdocTransformation Show with Dr.
Sonja Ulland Ulaan.
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Because I will link tothem in the show notes.
And maybe And maybeyou will also discover.
That you had prejudices towards thebusiness world, and then you can be a
great sales and marketing professional.
Even though that is more or less theopposite of what a scientist would behave.
But because you
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were able to let go and to embrace.
You are giving yourself theopportunity just discover this as well.
So what's next after you have created yourtime capsule I would I want you to think
of this as the first step in buildingthe bridge to your new professional life.
in our season finale we will buildthe bridge you need tomorrow.
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So stay tuned and subscribe onyour favorite podcast player, if
you haven't so you don't miss itnow back to your time capsule this
symbolic letting go, doesn't end here.
It's something that you can revisit.
Whenever you need to, wheneveryou feel the weight of your past,
creeping into your new role.
As you move forward, I encourage youto adopt the mindset of a learner.
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Embrace the fact that you will encountersituations that feel unfamiliar.
Just Just like you did when you firststepped into the lab or defended
your thesis, challenges are partof your growth and transformation
into this new version of yourself.
After a couple of years in IT,which I really enjoyed as an IT
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strategy consultant at Accenture.
I became pregnant and returned toacademia to be appointed as a professor
at an applied university in Germany.
That was 2014.
So 10 My oldest kid is 10 years oldand I have just recently celebrated my
10 years anniversary as a professor.
And as much as I love teaching.
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You can be proud of yourachievements and will be back
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And if you ever feel uncertain,remember the time capsule is there
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as a reminder of how far you've come.
What you have let go of.
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I hope this exercise of creatinga time capsule helps you mark this
moment in your career transition.
You deserve to enter yournext chapter with confidence,
clarity, and a peace of mind.
If you found this episode helpful,please subscribe, leave a review and
share it with your PhD besties, becausethis is how I get to help you for free.
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As always, I would love to hear fromyou feel free to connect with me on
LinkedIn or send me your questionsfor future episodes and even take a
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