December 21, 2023 • 37 mins
If you are strong in scientific methods, do you want to know, how you can leverage your strength into the decision-making context in business? In this PostdocTransformation show episode, Dr. Emily Rosenthal from the US (see her LinkedIn profile) will make you see how you can transfer your quantitative and qualitative research skills. In her own business, Masters of the Day - with Dr. Emily, she helps leaders in the boardroom and / or organizations to change in data-driven and sustainable ways. She helps scientists leaping into business to move from academic rigor to business agility. She’ll talk about the importance of your personal mission statement. Let’s dive right into our interview with Dr. Emily!
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(01:06):
If you are strong in scientificmethods, do you want to know how you
can leverage your strength into thedecision making context in business?
In this PostdocTransformationShow episode, Dr.
Emily Rosenthal from the US will make yousee how you can transfer your quantitative
and qualitative research skills.
In her own business,Masters of the Day with Dr.
(01:27):
Emily, she helps leaders in theboardroom and or organizations to change
in data driven and sustainable ways.
She helps scientists leaping intobusiness to move from academic
rigor to business agility.
She'll talk about the importanceof your personal mission statement.
Let's dive right intoour interview with Dr.
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Emily.
So Dr.
Emily, I'm so, so appreciative ofyour time we all need inspiring
role models that do somethingdifferent based on their PhD.
I want to start with two warmingup questions, and I hope that
Yes, please.
(02:09):
All right.
Are you
I am game?
So Good.
So first things first.
Are you a quant or aqualitative mixed design
researcher at
Ah, oh my gosh, that's a great question.
So, I think I'm a blend ofqualitative and quantitative.
My background is incommunication and anthropology.
(02:31):
I love data, I love numbers,
I love the quant side, however, thatis not my strength or my skill set.
So, I love having that because it'sdata driven insights that kind of
puts it with the human behaviorand the organizational culture.
So, I find that I'm a blend of bothkind of mixed methods design that it
(02:58):
also depends on your audience and howyou're communicating the data to them.
That some, it could be the same typeof data, and sometimes you present it
in a quantitative form, and sometimesyou present it in qualitative.
All right.
Then I have another questionthat maybe is a little bit more
juicier.
So what's your worst, but also your bestbusiness experience since you earned
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your educational doctorate degree?
.Oh, gosh.
Since I got my Ed.
D., the best business experience, I, Ithink would be actually the having it.
And, I mean,
Mm
an Ed.
D.
is like a scholarly expert in the field,where my understanding, I don't have a Ph.
(03:42):
D., but that's more thephilosophy of, and it's
a lot of academics, and studyingthe theories where an Ed.D.
A scholarly expert in the field.
It's still based on theory.
It's based on frameworks.
It's based on a lot of the information,but it's applied directly into the
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business or into the organization.
So, I think that probably the bestexperience is having the background that
then I can apply in the organization.
So, in the professional, being anexpert in the field, though I would
say the worst experience is alsohow to communicate that to people.
(04:24):
Just talking about what our studies areand how it applies to the organizations
that we work with, I would say is thebest and the worst at the same time.
hmm.
That's intriguing because I would havethought that based on your explanation,
that would be really a benefit.
Oh, yes, it's a benefit to have
Over the, over the, yeah,exactly, over the PhDs that
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are mostly research oriented.
I agree.
And well equipped for research, butnot so much for, for organizations.
and I think which lieswith if somebody has a Ph.
D.
or an Ed.
D.
or any Higher degree.
It's how do you explain it to those
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that are not in that academic setting?
So to start off and say I
have a doctorate in organizationalchange in leadership People are
like, oh, that's fascinating.
And then it's well, what does that mean?
Okay, that already is in it
a real.
Okay.
So postdoc transformers, if you'rehaven't been, you know, paying attention
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to that, the way you frame it makes the
Yes.
So.
People in business don't know aboutthe different doctoral degrees
and to what extent they might beor not be applicable in business.
So the way you frame itwill make the difference for
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Yes, and I would say practice thecommunicating that it's taken even
a year of feedback from other peopleor when I describe something, hearing
how somebody asks questions and it'salmost as though you are crafting your
elevator speech of who you are andjust a little tag line, a little how
are you solving a problem for someoneand that then just brings people in.
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So, now we'll be focusing on your topic.
That is how to leveragescientific methodology in the
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business decision making context.
And that's really, I say that you arethe expert for that because you've put
so much thought into how to explain your
business to others.
And I think that this is alreadyvery scientific in the way of that.
You are
testing this.
I mean, you're saying that you shouldpitch and and then you already said
(07:48):
that you should take a lot of, youknow, practice over a couple of
years with many different audiences.
And that's.
Essentially hypothesis testing
all right.
So first question, what wereyour transferable skills from
your scientific research thatyou applied to your decision hmm.
back to what we already talked about.
(08:09):
The transferable skills is theresearch approach and depending
on the topic, designing.
research based on what theneeds of the organization.
And when I say organization, thiscould be higher education focus.
This could be a nonprofit.
This could be a scientific researchthat organization is the approach
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for any type of the organization.
So I would say my most transferableskills are knowing the difference between
qualitative and quantitative and knowingthe data drives the insight, and so
combining that with the human behavior,I like to tell people that I work
with the people behind the technology.
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Number two, have your rigorous analyticalskills that you have developed in your
academic career enhanced your problemsolving abilities in your job roles or
also in your own business because nowyou have Masters of the Day, right?
Great.
So absolutely, I would say the analyticalskills like the rigorous honing at
my academic career are almost thecornerstone to how I solve problems now.
(09:19):
So I went in and my field has not changed.
However, my approach and howI run things is different.
So it's enabled me to kind of Takecomplex issues and be very strategic
with the solutions that I haveand also how I analyze the data.
So before it was more experientialbased and now it's more data
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driven and understanding theoriesof change and the frameworks.
And so when I work with leaders or workwith people within organizations, there's
a lot more background than to the skillsthat I'm able to bring to the table.
When you're talking to leaders intheir organizations, what kind of
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data do you collect and assess or
question.
So, as I love quantitative and it makesmy heart so happy to know the data.
I am not a quant person.
I am not the I understand the data.
I can interpret it, though.
Some people live and breathe.
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data, and algorithms, and equations,and they just want to go into that.
I find that I am someone that I canbridge the gap between the qualitative
and the quantitative.
So I'm comfortable being uncomfortable,that I don't have that skill set,
that strength to know about the data,though I understand the value of it.
(10:48):
And I know that a lot of it is helpingbridge the gap with the communication.
hmm.
Good.
And so you're doing interviewswith the people, or are you
collecting data with surveys
that's a great question.
So, I do collect data.
A lot of it will be data interviewsin the initial process, but then
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also collecting data that they have.
So I'm will
help analyze the data that they have.
Or what's great as well is helping ifsomeone is working on technology and
they're collecting data to help themunderstand It could be, gosh, I work
with organizations that are developingAI strategies or technical, tools, and
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with that, to have a clinician or tohave an expert at the beginning of the
development with the data scientist thenallows for, it's one thing to collect
the data, but are you collecting allthe data that you need and Honing in
kind of at the beginning for how thedata is collected and what content.
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And if you are collectingdata, organizations have
people that are involved.
So, a lot of people that are collectingthe data might not know that they're
sitting on this great tool and resource.
So, to help them understand and helpthem be a part of the data collection.
All right, cool.
(12:22):
So, I would assume there's alot of unstructured data and
data that is not used usable
That
Yes.
might be disseminated . So that is
interesting.
So you're probably also looking at KPIs.
hmm.
Key performance indicatorsduring the business processes.
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Next question would be number three.
So, what kind of challenges have youfaced in bridging the gap, as you say,
between the scientific and business world?
It's initially abouttranslating the academic rigor
into business agility.
So people are used to having, that youadapt fast in decision making process
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when you work in the business side of
things, and so kind of blendingwhere you have a systematic approach
to leadership, organizationaldevelopment, or just ensuring the
decisions are data informed, but alsothat they're contextually relevant.
Okay, so question number four is,how do you decide on how you want to
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collect the data so that you can makea choice before collecting the data.
So, each client that I work with eachorganization is different, and so
balancing the data, if it's qualitative orquantitative elements and kind of drawing
on my diverse background with that.
Also that I have to take intoconsideration is how this
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is communicated to people.
So, people who might be in charge of thefinances or the decision making might
be more familiar with the qualitativeapproach to research, where those
in the engineering side of thingsmight be more into the quantitative.
Approach.
So, it's looking hard at what datathey have and then considering
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the human element to all of it.
So, really understanding that the numbersare telling a story that it's also though
important to bring in the experiencesin the purse, like the perspectives
of the people in the organization.
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to transition into business.
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So, one question I have now iswhat kind of clients do you have?
Is it, are you working in specificindustries or across industries?
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Is it small medium businessesor is it corporate or what
kind of clients do you have?
Initially, I was working just withexecutives and leadership development
and then I was able to expand intoworking in tech in the tech industry.
(15:45):
I've worked in advertising for years.
I've worked in the health field.
There's a lot of similaritiesto different industries.
So, I work with individuals.
I work with a department or I work withA larger corporation with one aspect,
mainly what I've been focusing onsince my doctorate is working within
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teams within a larger organizationor with individuals and those I'm
either hired by the individualor I'm hired by the organization.
Quite a mixed day to day job.
Right?
How many clients do you have at the same
time or is it just one that
I tend to have about 10 clients at a time,
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and those vary.
So, one client I could work with everyweek for an hour or two for three months.
Another client, I have one nowwhere it's doing a three day
seminar with their organization.
So, with those, my ultimate goalis to work myself out of a job.
(16:51):
I don't want them to need me.
So, I'm
Oh, that's perfect.
I
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So question number five.
Looking at your previous job rolesand running your own business.
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Do you view risk assessmentand hypothesis testing in the
context of business decisions?
So, risk assessment, hypothesistesting is very applicable.
In the academic setting and also veryapplicable in the business industry.
So my scientific training has kindof I feel it's been invaluable
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because it allows me to approachbusinesses, risks and opportunities
in a more scientific approach.
So I apply hypothesis testing asa framework with exploring new
strategies, and it allows me tobe able to pivot Based on data and
outcomes from the hypothesis testing.
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Okay, so question number six iswhat sparked your, why to build
your own masters of the day?
I found it's more about empoweringleaders and organizations as they navigate
the complexities that are going on.
So I was fortunate early in my careerto have someone work with me to write
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And so it's perfect because it'sa blend of The academic side and
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And I am there to help guidethem through the little steps so
they can get to the big changes.
Oh, that's awesome.
And I can see that from your own missionstatement, that it sprouted from there.
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Okay, so, you already talkedabout some clients and that you're.
with executives can you share one ortwo success stories with your clients
or what are the most biggest insights
working with you?
So I'll say due to confidentiality,I'm not able to share names or
organizations.
However, I get this question all the time.
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So a lot of when I work with clients,it'll be either through transitions or
they want to make a transition and theywant to be very systematic and thoughtful
and They're putting a lot of time andenergy into things, so maybe they want
to sharpen their skills in the boardroom.
They want to be a bettercommunicator with their team.
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They want to get a promotionor a raise, and they want to be
methodical with how they do it andmake sure that they're structured.
Or, they could be someone that hasthis great career path, but Inside
of them, they have this creativeside that they're not tapping into.
And so helping them find thebalance in between the two.
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All right.
Who is your ideal client?
I work with people, I will say, I havefound that those that have a sports
background Meaning they participatedin sports when they were in their youth
or as their adults that they understandthe wins, the losses, the team dynamics,
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the goal setting, the setbacks that Ifind that clients that have had that
approach, it benefits them when they'remaking transitions and changes because
they can apply it back to a foundationthat They have already learned.
And a lot of what we talk aboutwhen I work with clients, too, is
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I'm almost as though they're theirteacher academic side of things,
their coach outside of the classroom.
So we learn in the classroomabout certain topics.
And we have syllabus.
We have time frames.
We know how we're being tested.
We know what our grade is.
And then we go into the real world outsideof academics, and then at that point.
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Nobody's telling you, here's the syllabusfor the change that you're making.
Here is how you're beinggraded if you have an A or a B.
So I'm there to help them understand thedynamics of that as well and help them
almost create that structure that theywould have had in their academic settings.
And that very much applies topeople that worked in academics
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So looking back at your gradschool experience, would you
recommend your grad school and why?
Yes, I would recommend my grad school.
My grad school
is one of the top ten in theworld for sport leadership.
A lot of people that go to the graduateprogram where I went to go into sports,
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whether it's collegiate or professional.
There aren't as many probably in thedirection in the path that I went into.
I went into sports because I see the valueof if you're a grassroots organization
or if you are in a corporate boardroom.
It's about wins, losses, teamdynamics, resilience, training.
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When I finished the Peace Corps, I workedinternationally for a couple of years,
and when I was done, I thought, do Iwant to get a Master's of Public Health?
Do I want to get a Master'sof Nonprofit Management?
Do I want to get an MBA?
So, with that, I looked for a graduateprogram that could apply in the business,
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you chose your grad school.
So Looking back, do you think there isan ideal candidate for that grad school?
I think it's great for anyone who's kindof curious or resilient and ready to take
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on challenges within the sports field.
It also, Allows the ability fordiversity of thought, and when you
were working in an academic settingwhen you're in a business setting,
there's a lot of problems and solutions.
And sometimes if you have everyonewho works in the same industry
(29:06):
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other approaches that could work.
So from an engineering you Perspective,they might be able to apply something
to medical from a sports environment.
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So the next question is, is there anythingI didn't ask, but I should have asked you
I guess kind of the thing that Iwould recommend is the importance of
Mm hmm.
And so when it comes to science,when it comes to business, as we
just talked about new ideas andwilling to kind of change course.
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Based on the new informationis very relevant.
A lot of times people areemotionally invested or have
spent a lot of time invested insolutions or problems or paths.
And I would say be adaptable,be flexible, and be sustainable.
Oh, that's, that's a real in there.
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Oh gosh.
This is where I wish I had a bookclub for everybody that wants to
read the types of books that I read.
While people are readingmore mainstream stuff, I read
autobiographies and business books.
And I probably have
about five of them going at once.
And I'll rotate.
(31:57):
Building a Story Brand byDonald Miller is a great,
I love
you do, yes,
a great book for helping you talk about.
It's about your path and howyou are there to help others and
why they need to work with you.
So I would say that's a great one.
(32:19):
I also, right now, I am readingEmily Post's Etiquette book, which
also talks about in the digital age.
Um, I'm rereading, I've alreadyread it multiple times, The
Five Dysfunctions of a Team.
Oh, yes.
a
(32:39):
good one.
Someone the other day recommended TheConfidence Gap and then Extreme Ownership.
I, I think I read threebooks last week alone.
I love reading these topics,but then I'm also reading one
about, surely you're joking, Mr.
Feynman.
(33:00):
And, um, he, it's about hisscientific approach to things.
So, um, Yes, I'm reading one of hisbooks and then also the autobiography of
Andrew Carnegie and the Gospel of Wealth.
So there is, and InPraise of Difficult Women.
These are probably the books that Iam reading at the moment and then for
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last week, I read Lifeboat 12 with myten year old and so In each of these
books, there is something that applies.
There's Warrior Kid, which wejust read, as a family as well.
And with each of those books,there's something that I
can bring in to my clients.
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So a lot of working with my clients ishelping them in the space that they're in.
So I need to just have moreunderstanding of where people are.
So I go to where the people areinstead of bringing them to where I am.
Oh, yeah.
That's like meeting them where they are.
Love it.
I've got some more inspirational booksthat I need to buy and I'll make sure
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that I list them also in the show notes.
You don't have a book club yet,
No, I think I need to start one.
You should have.
Count me in.
Done.
Inspired by.
Okay.
Alright, so now that we've been talkingabout a potential book club that you
will start and I will join, I reallywant to thank you for your time, Dr.
(34:29):
Emily, for connecting the dots forPostdoc Transformers, as also for
Master's students who are thinking of,you know, earning a PhD, choosing a grad
school that is a great fit for them.
And I think that you have shared a lot ofthings that they should consider content
wise, but maybe also in the sense of, arethey the good fit for the graduate school?
(34:52):
Because I think that the more you areEmbracing the diversity of thought
and diversity of personalities andbackgrounds and industry or across
industry experience, the better you willbenefit from whatever academics will
be able to tell you because the realnet worth will come from your network.
(35:14):
tHank you so much for connectingthe dots on leveraging scientific
methodology in business decision making.
Dr.
Emily, how can mylisteners reach out to you?
Do you have a website or is there anything
that you offer
love to be in touch with your listenersand see how I can support them
through their transitions of change.
(35:36):
Mastersoftheday.
com is the website that they can findme on and they can also find me on
Instagram as well, which is masters,
shared your handle on my
stories.
masters of the day for both ofthose and find me on LinkedIn.
If you go to the website, there's ways toconnect and lots, lots of different social
(35:57):
media outlets, but please be in touch.
And the more I hear from your listeners,the more I know what I can do to
support them and their transitions
. Yeah, I think that , that bit on the mission statement was really
important because when you knowyour mission, then you can always
dismiss ill fitted job offers.
(36:17):
And that's a great
example of having your missionstatement is like a North Star.
And it helps guide you on your path.
And as you said, if there's something thatdoesn't align with your mission, a lot
of times it helps you know what to sayno to, so you can be on the path to yes.
Okay.
Maybe I should visit your websiteand get the mission statement.
(36:39):
Right.
All right, cool.
Thank you so much for this time.
I know that I already want toinvite you for a net for a second
round or even a third round.
So would you be game to come back to
the
love it.
I'm inspired just talking about thisnow that makes me want to be even
more involved with what you're doing.
Yes, please.
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If you are strong in scientificmethods, do you want to know how you
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In this PostdocTransformationShow episode, Dr.
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and qualitative research skills.
In her own business,Masters of the Day with Dr.
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Emily, she helps leaders in theboardroom and or organizations to change
in data driven and sustainable ways.
She helps scientists leaping intobusiness to move from academic
rigor to business agility.
She'll talk about the importanceof your personal mission statement.
Let's dive right intoour interview with Dr.
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Emily.
So Dr.
Emily, I'm so, so appreciative ofyour time we all need inspiring
role models that do somethingdifferent based on their PhD.
I want to start with two warmingup questions, and I hope that
Yes, please.
(02:09):
All right.
Are you
I am game?
So Good.
So first things first.
Are you a quant or aqualitative mixed design
researcher at
Ah, oh my gosh, that's a great question.
So, I think I'm a blend ofqualitative and quantitative.
My background is incommunication and anthropology.
(02:31):
I love data, I love numbers,
I love the quant side, however, thatis not my strength or my skill set.
So, I love having that because it'sdata driven insights that kind of
puts it with the human behaviorand the organizational culture.
So, I find that I'm a blend of bothkind of mixed methods design that it
(02:58):
also depends on your audience and howyou're communicating the data to them.
That some, it could be the same typeof data, and sometimes you present it
in a quantitative form, and sometimesyou present it in qualitative.
All right.
Then I have another questionthat maybe is a little bit more
juicier.
So what's your worst, but also your bestbusiness experience since you earned
(03:21):
your educational doctorate degree?
.Oh, gosh.
Since I got my Ed.
D., the best business experience, I, Ithink would be actually the having it.
And, I mean,
Mm
an Ed.
D.
is like a scholarly expert in the field,where my understanding, I don't have a Ph.
(03:42):
D., but that's more thephilosophy of, and it's
a lot of academics, and studyingthe theories where an Ed.D.
A scholarly expert in the field.
It's still based on theory.
It's based on frameworks.
It's based on a lot of the information,but it's applied directly into the
(04:03):
business or into the organization.
So, I think that probably the bestexperience is having the background that
then I can apply in the organization.
So, in the professional, being anexpert in the field, though I would
say the worst experience is alsohow to communicate that to people.
(04:24):
Just talking about what our studies areand how it applies to the organizations
that we work with, I would say is thebest and the worst at the same time.
hmm.
That's intriguing because I would havethought that based on your explanation,
that would be really a benefit.
Oh, yes, it's a benefit to have
Over the, over the, yeah,exactly, over the PhDs that
(04:48):
are mostly research oriented.
I agree.
And well equipped for research, butnot so much for, for organizations.
and I think which lieswith if somebody has a Ph.
D.
or an Ed.
D.
or any Higher degree.
It's how do you explain it to those
(05:10):
that are not in that academic setting?
So to start off and say I
have a doctorate in organizationalchange in leadership People are
like, oh, that's fascinating.
And then it's well, what does that mean?
Okay, that already is in it
a real.
Okay.
So postdoc transformers, if you'rehaven't been, you know, paying attention
(05:32):
to that, the way you frame it makes the
Yes.
So.
People in business don't know aboutthe different doctoral degrees
and to what extent they might beor not be applicable in business.
So the way you frame itwill make the difference for
(05:53):
Yes, and I would say practice thecommunicating that it's taken even
a year of feedback from other peopleor when I describe something, hearing
how somebody asks questions and it'salmost as though you are crafting your
elevator speech of who you are andjust a little tag line, a little how
are you solving a problem for someoneand that then just brings people in.
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So, now we'll be focusing on your topic.
That is how to leveragescientific methodology in the
(07:27):
business decision making context.
And that's really, I say that you arethe expert for that because you've put
so much thought into how to explain your
business to others.
And I think that this is alreadyvery scientific in the way of that.
You are
testing this.
I mean, you're saying that you shouldpitch and and then you already said
(07:48):
that you should take a lot of, youknow, practice over a couple of
years with many different audiences.
And that's.
Essentially hypothesis testing
all right.
So first question, what wereyour transferable skills from
your scientific research thatyou applied to your decision hmm.
back to what we already talked about.
(08:09):
The transferable skills is theresearch approach and depending
on the topic, designing.
research based on what theneeds of the organization.
And when I say organization, thiscould be higher education focus.
This could be a nonprofit.
This could be a scientific researchthat organization is the approach
(08:31):
for any type of the organization.
So I would say my most transferableskills are knowing the difference between
qualitative and quantitative and knowingthe data drives the insight, and so
combining that with the human behavior,I like to tell people that I work
with the people behind the technology.
(08:53):
Number two, have your rigorous analyticalskills that you have developed in your
academic career enhanced your problemsolving abilities in your job roles or
also in your own business because nowyou have Masters of the Day, right?
Great.
So absolutely, I would say the analyticalskills like the rigorous honing at
my academic career are almost thecornerstone to how I solve problems now.
(09:19):
So I went in and my field has not changed.
However, my approach and howI run things is different.
So it's enabled me to kind of Takecomplex issues and be very strategic
with the solutions that I haveand also how I analyze the data.
So before it was more experientialbased and now it's more data
(09:42):
driven and understanding theoriesof change and the frameworks.
And so when I work with leaders or workwith people within organizations, there's
a lot more background than to the skillsthat I'm able to bring to the table.
When you're talking to leaders intheir organizations, what kind of
(10:04):
data do you collect and assess or
question.
So, as I love quantitative and it makesmy heart so happy to know the data.
I am not a quant person.
I am not the I understand the data.
I can interpret it, though.
Some people live and breathe.
(10:25):
data, and algorithms, and equations,and they just want to go into that.
I find that I am someone that I canbridge the gap between the qualitative
and the quantitative.
So I'm comfortable being uncomfortable,that I don't have that skill set,
that strength to know about the data,though I understand the value of it.
(10:48):
And I know that a lot of it is helpingbridge the gap with the communication.
hmm.
Good.
And so you're doing interviewswith the people, or are you
collecting data with surveys
that's a great question.
So, I do collect data.
A lot of it will be data interviewsin the initial process, but then
(11:12):
also collecting data that they have.
So I'm will
help analyze the data that they have.
Or what's great as well is helping ifsomeone is working on technology and
they're collecting data to help themunderstand It could be, gosh, I work
with organizations that are developingAI strategies or technical, tools, and
(11:39):
with that, to have a clinician or tohave an expert at the beginning of the
development with the data scientist thenallows for, it's one thing to collect
the data, but are you collecting allthe data that you need and Honing in
kind of at the beginning for how thedata is collected and what content.
(12:02):
And if you are collectingdata, organizations have
people that are involved.
So, a lot of people that are collectingthe data might not know that they're
sitting on this great tool and resource.
So, to help them understand and helpthem be a part of the data collection.
All right, cool.
(12:22):
So, I would assume there's alot of unstructured data and
data that is not used usable
That
Yes.
might be disseminated . So that is
interesting.
So you're probably also looking at KPIs.
hmm.
Key performance indicatorsduring the business processes.
(12:43):
Next question would be number three.
So, what kind of challenges have youfaced in bridging the gap, as you say,
between the scientific and business world?
It's initially abouttranslating the academic rigor
into business agility.
So people are used to having, that youadapt fast in decision making process
(13:06):
when you work in the business side of
things, and so kind of blendingwhere you have a systematic approach
to leadership, organizationaldevelopment, or just ensuring the
decisions are data informed, but alsothat they're contextually relevant.
Okay, so question number four is,how do you decide on how you want to
(13:30):
collect the data so that you can makea choice before collecting the data.
So, each client that I work with eachorganization is different, and so
balancing the data, if it's qualitative orquantitative elements and kind of drawing
on my diverse background with that.
Also that I have to take intoconsideration is how this
(13:52):
is communicated to people.
So, people who might be in charge of thefinances or the decision making might
be more familiar with the qualitativeapproach to research, where those
in the engineering side of thingsmight be more into the quantitative.
Approach.
So, it's looking hard at what datathey have and then considering
(14:16):
the human element to all of it.
So, really understanding that the numbersare telling a story that it's also though
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So, one question I have now iswhat kind of clients do you have?
Is it, are you working in specificindustries or across industries?
(15:25):
Is it small medium businessesor is it corporate or what
kind of clients do you have?
Initially, I was working just withexecutives and leadership development
and then I was able to expand intoworking in tech in the tech industry.
(15:45):
I've worked in advertising for years.
I've worked in the health field.
There's a lot of similaritiesto different industries.
So, I work with individuals.
I work with a department or I work withA larger corporation with one aspect,
mainly what I've been focusing onsince my doctorate is working within
(16:09):
teams within a larger organizationor with individuals and those I'm
either hired by the individualor I'm hired by the organization.
Quite a mixed day to day job.
Right?
How many clients do you have at the same
time or is it just one that
I tend to have about 10 clients at a time,
(16:30):
and those vary.
So, one client I could work with everyweek for an hour or two for three months.
Another client, I have one nowwhere it's doing a three day
seminar with their organization.
So, with those, my ultimate goalis to work myself out of a job.
(16:51):
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So, I'm
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So question number five.
Looking at your previous job rolesand running your own business.
(20:11):
Do you view risk assessmentand hypothesis testing in the
context of business decisions?
So, risk assessment, hypothesistesting is very applicable.
In the academic setting and also veryapplicable in the business industry.
So my scientific training has kindof I feel it's been invaluable
(20:33):
because it allows me to approachbusinesses, risks and opportunities
in a more scientific approach.
So I apply hypothesis testing asa framework with exploring new
strategies, and it allows me tobe able to pivot Based on data and
outcomes from the hypothesis testing.
(20:55):
Okay, so question number six iswhat sparked your, why to build
your own masters of the day?
I found it's more about empoweringleaders and organizations as they navigate
the complexities that are going on.
So I was fortunate early in my careerto have someone work with me to write
(21:16):
my own personal mission statement,which is to use my enthusiasm and
resources to help others put theirhealthy intentions into action.
And so it's perfect because it'sa blend of The academic side and
the innovative leadership that Ilove and really being able to see
(21:37):
clients achieve like remarkablegrowth personally and professionally
by applying these principles.
And I am there to help guidethem through the little steps so
they can get to the big changes.
Oh, that's awesome.
And I can see that from your own missionstatement, that it sprouted from there.
(21:58):
Okay, so, you already talkedabout some clients and that you're.
with executives can you share one ortwo success stories with your clients
or what are the most biggest insights
working with you?
So I'll say due to confidentiality,I'm not able to share names or
organizations.
However, I get this question all the time.
(22:20):
So a lot of when I work with clients,it'll be either through transitions or
they want to make a transition and theywant to be very systematic and thoughtful
and They're putting a lot of time andenergy into things, so maybe they want
to sharpen their skills in the boardroom.
They want to be a bettercommunicator with their team.
(22:41):
They want to get a promotionor a raise, and they want to be
methodical with how they do it andmake sure that they're structured.
Or, they could be someone that hasthis great career path, but Inside
of them, they have this creativeside that they're not tapping into.
And so helping them find thebalance in between the two.
(23:03):
All right.
Who is your ideal client?
I work with people, I will say, I havefound that those that have a sports
background Meaning they participatedin sports when they were in their youth
or as their adults that they understandthe wins, the losses, the team dynamics,
(23:26):
the goal setting, the setbacks that Ifind that clients that have had that
approach, it benefits them when they'remaking transitions and changes because
they can apply it back to a foundationthat They have already learned.
And a lot of what we talk aboutwhen I work with clients, too, is
(23:47):
I'm almost as though they're theirteacher academic side of things,
their coach outside of the classroom.
So we learn in the classroomabout certain topics.
And we have syllabus.
We have time frames.
We know how we're being tested.
We know what our grade is.
And then we go into the real world outsideof academics, and then at that point.
(24:13):
Nobody's telling you, here's the syllabusfor the change that you're making.
Here is how you're beinggraded if you have an A or a B.
So I'm there to help them understand thedynamics of that as well and help them
almost create that structure that theywould have had in their academic settings.
And that very much applies topeople that worked in academics
(24:35):
for years and then it's almostas though there's no structure.
So how do you create structurein an environment that doesn't
appear to have any structure?
And so that's a lot of what I do with myclients in the business side of things as
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So looking back at your gradschool experience, would you
recommend your grad school and why?
Yes, I would recommend my grad school.
My grad school
is one of the top ten in theworld for sport leadership.
A lot of people that go to the graduateprogram where I went to go into sports,
(26:30):
whether it's collegiate or professional.
There aren't as many probably in thedirection in the path that I went into.
I went into sports because I see the valueof if you're a grassroots organization
or if you are in a corporate boardroom.
It's about wins, losses, teamdynamics, resilience, training.
(26:55):
When I finished the Peace Corps, I workedinternationally for a couple of years,
and when I was done, I thought, do Iwant to get a Master's of Public Health?
Do I want to get a Master'sof Nonprofit Management?
Do I want to get an MBA?
So, with that, I looked for a graduateprogram that could apply in the business,
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So Looking back, do you think there isan ideal candidate for that grad school?
I think it's great for anyone who's kindof curious or resilient and ready to take
(28:45):
on challenges within the sports field.
It also, Allows the ability fordiversity of thought, and when you
were working in an academic settingwhen you're in a business setting,
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And sometimes if you have everyonewho works in the same industry
(29:06):
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to medical from a sports environment.
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So the next question is, is there anythingI didn't ask, but I should have asked you
I guess kind of the thing that Iwould recommend is the importance of
Mm hmm.
And so when it comes to science,when it comes to business, as we
just talked about new ideas andwilling to kind of change course.
(30:32):
Based on the new informationis very relevant.
A lot of times people areemotionally invested or have
spent a lot of time invested insolutions or problems or paths.
And I would say be adaptable,be flexible, and be sustainable.
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You probably read a lotof books on your topics.
So are there any books that youwant to recommend on your topic?
(31:35):
Oh gosh.
This is where I wish I had a bookclub for everybody that wants to
read the types of books that I read.
While people are readingmore mainstream stuff, I read
autobiographies and business books.
And I probably have
about five of them going at once.
And I'll rotate.
(31:57):
Building a Story Brand byDonald Miller is a great,
I love
you do, yes,
a great book for helping you talk about.
It's about your path and howyou are there to help others and
why they need to work with you.
So I would say that's a great one.
(32:19):
I also, right now, I am readingEmily Post's Etiquette book, which
also talks about in the digital age.
Um, I'm rereading, I've alreadyread it multiple times, The
Five Dysfunctions of a Team.
Oh, yes.
a
(32:39):
good one.
Someone the other day recommended TheConfidence Gap and then Extreme Ownership.
I, I think I read threebooks last week alone.
I love reading these topics,but then I'm also reading one
about, surely you're joking, Mr.
Feynman.
(33:00):
And, um, he, it's about hisscientific approach to things.
So, um, Yes, I'm reading one of hisbooks and then also the autobiography of
Andrew Carnegie and the Gospel of Wealth.
So there is, and InPraise of Difficult Women.
These are probably the books that Iam reading at the moment and then for
(33:25):
last week, I read Lifeboat 12 with myten year old and so In each of these
books, there is something that applies.
There's Warrior Kid, which wejust read, as a family as well.
And with each of those books,there's something that I
can bring in to my clients.
(33:46):
So a lot of working with my clients ishelping them in the space that they're in.
So I need to just have moreunderstanding of where people are.
So I go to where the people areinstead of bringing them to where I am.
Oh, yeah.
That's like meeting them where they are.
Love it.
I've got some more inspirational booksthat I need to buy and I'll make sure
(34:07):
that I list them also in the show notes.
You don't have a book club yet,
No, I think I need to start one.
You should have.
Count me in.
Done.
Inspired by.
Okay.
Alright, so now that we've been talkingabout a potential book club that you
will start and I will join, I reallywant to thank you for your time, Dr.
(34:29):
Emily, for connecting the dots forPostdoc Transformers, as also for
Master's students who are thinking of,you know, earning a PhD, choosing a grad
school that is a great fit for them.
And I think that you have shared a lot ofthings that they should consider content
wise, but maybe also in the sense of, arethey the good fit for the graduate school?
(34:52):
Because I think that the more you areEmbracing the diversity of thought
and diversity of personalities andbackgrounds and industry or across
industry experience, the better you willbenefit from whatever academics will
be able to tell you because the realnet worth will come from your network.
(35:14):
tHank you so much for connectingthe dots on leveraging scientific
methodology in business decision making.
Dr.
Emily, how can mylisteners reach out to you?
Do you have a website or is there anything
that you offer
love to be in touch with your listenersand see how I can support them
through their transitions of change.
(35:36):
Mastersoftheday.
com is the website that they can findme on and they can also find me on
Instagram as well, which is masters,
shared your handle on my
stories.
masters of the day for both ofthose and find me on LinkedIn.
If you go to the website, there's ways toconnect and lots, lots of different social
(35:57):
media outlets, but please be in touch.
And the more I hear from your listeners,the more I know what I can do to
support them and their transitions
. Yeah, I think that , that bit on the mission statement was really
important because when you knowyour mission, then you can always
dismiss ill fitted job offers.
(36:17):
And that's a great
example of having your missionstatement is like a North Star.
And it helps guide you on your path.
And as you said, if there's something thatdoesn't align with your mission, a lot
of times it helps you know what to sayno to, so you can be on the path to yes.
Okay.
Maybe I should visit your websiteand get the mission statement.
(36:39):
Right.
All right, cool.
Thank you so much for this time.
I know that I already want toinvite you for a net for a second
round or even a third round.
So would you be game to come back to
the
love it.
I'm inspired just talking about thisnow that makes me want to be even
more involved with what you're doing.
Yes, please.
(37:00):
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