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.95Hello world, this is Dr.
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Kulmeet Kandlas and welcome to this podcast and we are continuing our discussion.
About cholesterol and cholesterol related issues from last YouTube live session and podcast.
.001There were a lot of questions regarding statins, so we are now doing a dedicated session about Everything about statins as a primary care physician.
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I don't believe there is any medication Which I have seen provokes more emotions than, uh, uh, statins.
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Everybody has opinion.
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There is a lot of science, ton of pseudoscience about statins.
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.999In this next few minutes, 10 15 minutes, we have it together.
My goal here is to ensure that you get the facts and have a knowledge base.
to make a decision where you could make informed decisions for yourself.
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.999Let's start with the fundamental question, what is statins? Statins is a medication which stops the production of cholesterol by your liver.
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When you get a blood test, and you get a reading about the cholesterol.
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80 percent of the cholesterol which you measure comes from what is made by the liver.
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Your diet is contributing only 20%.
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So liver is the main player regarding cholesterol.
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So once we block this medication in the cholesterol synthesis, your cholesterol level goes down.
.001If you want to have a little bit of broader picture, so that you will have a broader context, let's understand the cholesterol in less than three minutes to build a case to understand how these medications are related and what are the natural way we could do that and few other things.
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Cholesterol is very, very important.
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It has a bad name because whenever the arteries get clogged up in the plaque, we have LDL oxidized LDL cholesterol.
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That is where, when we do the things wrong and the cholesterol is more than what we need to.
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Every cell of your body is made up of, the cell membrane is made up of cholesterol.
It is required for hormones.
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This means you require it for hormones.
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80 percent of the cholesterol which is circulating comes from liver.
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20 percent comes from eating.
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This discussion is not about how the diet affects your cholesterol.
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We have another video you could check at our playlist.
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But today the goal here is about the liver, statins and the medications.
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So once liver produces cholesterol, that gets tagged to lipoproteins because of, uh, cholesterol is a fat, which is a water insoluble and blood is water.
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So it tags it to lipoprotein, which is lipoprotein e.
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And then it gets circulated in the body and then it goes to be used where it needs to be used.
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The relationship, how much liver is going to make and how much we are going to absorb from the gut, depends on the needs.
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But there are some physiological hijacks which can happen.
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If you are eating only The fats and the cholesterol body knows what to do.
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If body doesn't need cholesterol, it will decrease the production by the liver.
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And also.
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it will shut down the absorption from the gut.
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If body is deficient in cholesterol, it will mobilize all the sources and use it.
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What we do here is we hijack our physiology, our homeostatic mechanism.
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If you are eating simple carbohydrates, it is amazing to know that 80% You know, many, many people come from processed and ultra processed food.
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But on an average, as a nation, as a United States, about 60 percent of our calories come from processed and ultra processed food.
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These ultra processed foods When they get into gut, they spike insulin and insulin changes the homeostatic mechanism in the liver and it pushes production of more cholesterol.
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So that's how your simple carbohydrates push your cholesterol high.
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Then if you are eating.
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Too much of saturated fats and the trans fats transfer, just keep it simple.
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Anything which comes in a package has a transfer.
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Transfer has an advantage.
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It has a longer shelf life.
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It tastes better.
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They have hijacked our taste system.
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It has a salt and they will add sugar to make it more palatable.
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Those saturated fats and the trans fats.
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They also hijack chemistry in the liver and lead to more production of bad cholesterol or LDL cholesterol.
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The difference is the proponent of the saturated fats like butter, margarine, they will tell you that Not only your bad cholesterol goes up and good cholesterol goes up.
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That is a true statement, but how much it goes It depends on a lot of other factors.
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So it's not as simple as far so your diet needs to be very little trans fats And very little saturated fats, what kind of fats you could eat is monounsaturated or polyunsaturated fats, which are in avocado oil, olive oil and walnuts and all this thing and fish.
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So with, so when the cholesterol two sources, liver.
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and gut.
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Then what, if we want to control the level of cholesterol in the blood, so what are the places we could act? One is, stop the production of cholesterol in the liver.
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That's mechanism one.
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And the medication which you work over there is statins, which is, we are going to be discussing today.
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They are very effective.
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They can lower your bad cholesterol almost by 50 to 60%, depending on which study you look at it.
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Second, in the gut, when the cholesterol is, we could give you medication that your cholesterol doesn't get absorbed.
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You might have heard the name of medication, zetamide.
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But it comes with a trade name, Zetia, that is the one which make your, that your cholesterol doesn't get absorbed in the gut.
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Then let's say in the gut, there are bile salts.
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The, our liver uses cholesterol to produce bile salt and bile salts are needed to absorb our fat.
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So if there is bile salt blocker medication, which, where we purge a lot of These bile salts so that they don't get reabsorbed in the gut.
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So you push a lot of bile salts out in the feces.
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That, that way your body has to use a lot of cholesterol to make it.
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And that will also lead to lowering of your cholesterol.
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So three places.
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Liver.
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Don't let the cholesterol absorb in the gut and then purge it out with the, the bile cell blocker.
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Then other thing which you could do here is there are medications which work, continue to work in the liver on the mechanism beyond the bampydoic acid is another medication which also works a step which is behind statin that that's used to block it.
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Then omega 3 fatty acids, which are in fish and the fibrates, they bring your triglycerides down.
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So the cycle is your liver and the gut are the sources of the cholesterol.
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It gets absorbed, then it's used by the body, extra cholesterol, or get brought back to the liver by the good cholesterol, dumped into your gut, and you, in the form of balsal, and this cycle keeps on going.
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Now, why statins, and what, what is the state of the affair? Let's all be honest.
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As a patient, it's my experience for last 27 years.
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And if you include residency, housemanship, It's for 35 years.
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I have never found anybody who is so good that once they have medical problem and they are given the recommendations and they will stop it.
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We fall, fall to lowest common denominator and our cholesterol is the only thing this cholesterol medication or these statin medications are the only one.
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If you take it.
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Predictably lowers your cholesterol, it gets cut into half within a couple of days and your risk goes down.
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If you are a diabetic or have already heart attack or a stroke, this medication is a lifesaver.
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That because when we know for effect, once you have a major event, you feel you are motivated and you're gonna do everything.
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But the statistics are only 5% or less are the people who could make a life sustaining change.
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And look at the thing from the medical professional side.
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When I'm looking at you, I know for a fact, no matter how much motivated you are today at the end of three months, you're going to be exactly what you are.
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So we come up with the.
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medications and the processes which we know that will impact and lower your risk for future heart attack.
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Statins lower the risk of heart attack by almost 25%, stroke by 15%, and all cause mortality by 9%.
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There is a lot of negative.
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information which I am intended to debunk and explain.
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But let's stay with me, why the cholesterol medications are important.
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The plaque which blocks your artery is giving you a heart attack and stroke.
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It's not as simple as with this thing that it's only cholesterol.
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It has a lot of connotations and a lot of process.
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But one out of them, We could predictably control HD cholesterol.
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So that's why there is a lot of push by all the agencies, regulatory agencies, and the evidence based medicine to lower your cholesterol to a level.
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State of fear is In the United States, what we consider normal is abnormal in the rest of the world.
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Because our cholesterol as a nation is very high, because of a rich diet which we could afford and consume.
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Our normal is very high.
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So once these guidelines are coming in, they are already wrong as compared to Europeans and Germans and other nations.
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What they consider normal will be abnormal everywhere.
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So our normal is also very high.
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So if you are a diabetic, or you have a heart attack or a stroke, or you have a very strong family history of heart disease, meaning you have a male in the first degree relative, less than 50, and a female less than 60 had one of these events, heart attack, stroke, or death, you are at high risk for developing it.
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And if that is happening, then your cholesterol needs to come down.
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Unfortunately, people who have a cholesterol problem, invariably they are a smoker, they are overweight, they will have type 2 diabetes mellitus and high blood pressure.
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The success rate for controlling blood pressure in the United States is very dismal, only 30%.
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Not more than 50 percent of the people are able to control it.
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So we are controlling the controllables.
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That's where a lot of push comes in.
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We, because a lot of evidence comes in.
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And we know that with one pill we could lower your risk, which I just now alluded to you.
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So statins are lifesaver.
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Now, Let's see how other parts of it.
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Next question, which we have is who should consider taking statins? Anybody who has the risk factors, the common risk factors are smoking, high blood pressure, high diabetes, and high cholesterol, and family history.
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If you have any of these, you need to consider taking cholesterol.
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Anybody whose total cholesterol is more than 240 It is abnormal and anybody whose LDL cholesterol with these condition is more than 100.
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100.
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It's abnormal.
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And unfortunately, when you have this disease issue, good cholesterol, which we want to be as high as humanly possible, it's always low.
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So the ratio of between bad, good and bad is always altered.
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Everybody who has a risk factor should be on cholesterol medication.
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What are the benefits? The next question is what are the benefits of statins? They prevent heart attack.
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They prevent stroke.
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They make you live long.
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And I, there is not another medication in its entirety which can reduce your absolute risk and relative risk of these three deadly things, heart attack, stroke, and death, to such a good level than These statins can do that.
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Side effects.
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Let's talk about that because there is, that is where a lot of hype is.
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Yes, about 5 6 percent of the people do have some muscle pains.
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In 35 years in medicine, I have never come across anybody who has muscle pains which are permanent.
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If you are one of the few unlucky ones who have real muscle inflammation, we call myositis or in extreme cases we call rhabdomyosis, you develop from this medication.
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It is 100 percent reversible and you don't have to take the medication.
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But we get so much pushback that before we even take the first pill.
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They don't, they want to have a discussion, which we are happy to do that, but they don't want to even try it because of the fear.
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And they will come up with all these silly Explanations of why they don't want to take it or why they know somebody who had a bad experience.
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If anybody in, you know, had a bad experience with the statin, that doesn't mean you will have the bad experience.
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That's something you need to definitely keep in mind.
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That, that's not a guarantee you will get it.
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It's, the risk is but 5 to 10 percent.
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And it's 100 percent reversible, no permanent damage if it happens.
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Some people who Take the statin could have a little bit of, uh, elevation of the liver function test.
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There is no case, to my knowledge, where liver function have gotten so bad that they are left with permanent liver problem.
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So, we've covered muscle pains, we've covered liver pain.
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Then, other biggest criticism comes in is Statins and diabetes mellitus.
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You have no idea how many people fight with me.
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They already have diabetes and they don't want to take the cholesterol medication.
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The truth is if you're diabetic and if your cholesterol is high your realistic chances of having these such horrible complications is so high that It lowers your absolute risk of heart attack, stroke, and death by 25%, 14%, and 9%.
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Second day, when you start taking these medications, you are really, if there are 255 people are given statin medication, only one will have possibly diabetes due to statins.
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But it will help 254 people to prevent heart attack and stroke and death.
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Are you one of those unlucky ones to have it? I have not come across anybody so far who had it.
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But these are the statistics from the experts who does this thing full time for the living on this topic.
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But I have never, I don't think it's even 1 in 255, but that's the statistics are.
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Other major criticism is that I will lose memory.
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That's something our dementia are developed if I take statin and they always give this explanation that our brain You had needs have a made up of the nerve cell coating Myelin is needs fats and it's made up of cholesterol and if we and then if the cholesterol level goes down the sheath will get smaller and the neurotransmitters levels will go down which is totally has never been approved.
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There was one small study.
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The unfortunate part is people can publish any data and then create a problem that we have to, after even 10 years, we have to explain.
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But that study showed that there is some people transiently It was not even a permanent, transiently, they have a mental fog, which was totally reversed once they stopped.
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But look at the data now.
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People who are on statins, they have a 62%, 62 percent less chances of developing dementia.
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Unless you have Alzheimer's disease.
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Most of the people who are diabetic, smoker, hypertensive, they develop vascular dementia.
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That vascular dementia chances decreases by 62 percent if you take statins.
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So that myth is completely backed by this thing.
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My recommendation is, if you have questions, you have a right to ask your physician.
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They write questions and get yourself educated.
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Don't take my word for it or any physician's word for it.
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We want you to understand that part, but don't write it off such an important medication.
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Yes, if you don't want to take the medication, change your life, but out of hundred, only five are the one who make sustainable.
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that they are following the recommendation, they are exercising, they are sleeping, they are eating right.
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Only 5 out of 100.
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And just imagine, 95 percent of the people will get back to what they were before.
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And that's why your physicians sometimes are more pushy to give you these medications, because we know that will help.
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But you do have a right to ask questions.
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And If after doing this one is that may still don't want to take the medication that will give you.
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a proper insight, and then hopefully you can make lifelong changes.
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Next question is, are statins are effective in primary prevention? That was a very intelligent question.
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First, understand what primary prevention, what is secondary prevention, and what tertiary prevention is.
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Primary prevention is that your average Joe, you never had any kind of cardiac event, whether a heart attack, stroke.
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Without this thing, the people who don't have, ever have, And if we give you cholesterol, how much that helps.
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That is called primary prevention before you develop disease.
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Second comes in is the secondary prevention is that you already have a stent, stroke, and when we give you this type of medication, how much they prevent.
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Absolutely, we, so far, we have been talking about secondary prevention.
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For primary prevention, statins are very, very effective, and they do prevent you from getting heart attack, stroke, and dying.
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How many people in the United States use statins? I checked it today.
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Actually, there are about 80 million people out of 300, 000, which we, uh, 300, 000, uh, 300 million people who live in the United States, 80 million people.
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are getting or they are on medication.
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And I think this number should be higher.
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Remember I said, I even are normal cholesterol, which we consider normal is abnormal and rest of the world.
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Statins are safe.
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You do not have to take the statins if you could make lifelong changes, but it's about 80 million people and use of statins is increasing because we are not Improving our lifestyle.
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What are the impacts of statins on mortality rate? Absolutely, all cause mortality goes down.
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Your mortality from dementia goes down.
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Dementia from heart attack, stroke goes down.
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What is the impact? Can statin cause muscle related side effects? Absolutely, I explained you that.
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It's about the, it's about 5 to 10 percent.
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But it's a hundred percent reversible.
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Do statins benefit beyond cholesterol lowering? I think that's a very intelligent question.
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Statins not only lower your cholesterol, in the inner lining of your blood vessel, they decrease the inflammation.
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And once you get a new heart attack, stroke, or PAD, the inflammation plays a significant role.
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They decrease the inflammation.
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That's why we get a lot of discussion, Doctor, my cholesterol is normal.
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Why do you want me to take cholesterol medication? Because they decrease the inflammation in the inner lining or the endothelial lining of your blood vessels.
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And that is very, very important and that helps a lot.
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Are there any difference between various statins? Yes.
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Statins are of two kinds.
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One is water soluble and other are Lipid soluble you.
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The common, the most prescribed medication, the word is Lipitor or atorvastatin.
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Simba and Simvastatin, they're fat soluble.
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Crestor.
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and, or Ruvastatin and the Prevastatin, they are water soluble.
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It is generally agreed and tested that the water soluble statins are better tolerated.
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They have less muscle side effects, less liver side effects.
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These days, and the good part is, Almost all the statins are generic.
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They, all of them are not branded.
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So, there is no higher copayments or anything, and you could get whatever brand you fancy and like.
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That will help.
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Can statin be used in children? That is a very touchy topic.
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Answer is yes.
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But, our children have a very, very bad cholesterol.
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If you look at the amount of soda they consume and the processed food they consume, their cholesterols are high.
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Even people as old as 15 to 20.
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I'm an adult medicine doctor, so we start seeing people after 20.
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When they come in for a periodization, their cholesterol has been high for three to four years.
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Answer is yes, it can be used in children and very elderly.
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It's considered very safe.
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This question that older adults, at what stage should we stop? First of all, age is not the reason to stop any medication.
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If you have a good quality of life, like today, 15 20 minutes ago before this session, I had a 90 year old person, the guy plays golf every, almost 3 4 times a week, he has a little bit of aches and pains, he had a high cholesterol, he takes statin, he didn't have any problem, these are the people we should never stop.
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But I have young people who already both the legs have been amputated.
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They have a very severe heart failure and they are in hospice care.
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Yeah, you, in those circumstances, these medications should not be given.
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What happens if somebody starts taking statins? Your cholesterol will go up.
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There is no withdrawal, dependence, this thing.
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These are very safe medication.
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This can be stopped.
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Certainly should not be done.
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without consulting physician for the reason you are taking cholesterol medication, but you will not have a statin later withdrawal if that was the question.
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Next question was, can statins reduce dementia? Absolutely, it is beyond doubt.
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62%.
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My goal today was to explain you a little bit about the cholesterol metabolism.
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We have a lot of videos on our channel on the cholesterol.
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You could watch them, then take up the questions.
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And different aspects of only status.
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In a nutshell, statins save life.
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They work very predictably.
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If you take statins, you could expect 50 percent reduction in your bad cholesterol.
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That will lead to 25 percent decreased risk of heart attack, 19 percent decreased risk of stroke, 9 percent absolute risk of reduction in death.
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62 percent less chances of having dementia.
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5 percent of people get muscle pain, 100 percent reversible.
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Few people get abnormal liver function test, 100 percent reversible.
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And plus, if any of you think you're superman, we are not.
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Same advice given only 5 percent of the people adhere to it rest of their life.
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So, talk to your doctor, ask them questions.
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Knowing is beautiful.
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If you don't ask the question, then we do not know what to do with you.
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You must ask the questions.
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And once you ask the question and commit.
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Then stick to the medication, get yourself checked regularly.
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One of the questions which we have answered in the previous videos is how frequently the cholesterol should be checked.
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If you don't, you're young and you're not on cholesterol medication and you don't have any of these events, then the recommendation is 3 to 5 years depending on your risk.
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Whether you're gaining weight, you're a smoker, you're exercising, it's all about risk stratification.
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It has nothing to do with 3 or 5 years.
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But 3 to 5 years is the one.
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Second concern is that if you are on a cholesterol medication, we do get into a lot of people, they say, I need to have cholesterol checked every three months.
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There is no rhyme or reason for that.
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If your cholesterol is high, you're in treatment, they have followed it up, you're rock stable, there is no liver problem, no, no CPK or muscle problem.
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Once a year follow up, it all depends on what's going on.
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There is no protocol that you should get every three months or every six months.
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I think that's where the relationship with your doctor, whosoever is prescribing you, comes into play.
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Your primary care physician is probably your best resource.
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He or she knows you the best, and they know you as a whole.
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This is a very difficult statement to make, but I have Review the data.
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Even the cardiologists whom you go all the time thinking that they are the saviour or the god of, or the angel of your heart.
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They have worse data regarding lowering your cholesterol and maintaining it as compared to primary care.
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Have a good relationship with your primary care.
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Open lines of communication and discuss.
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