When a coach starts dismantling the rules they were handed—about marriage, ambition, safety, identity—everything changes. Jen Vertanen is in that place. And she’s turning it into a community.
In this conversation, Jen shares the origin of her new project, We the Unruly, and the deep emotional audit she had to do to get there. We talked about what it means to be seen in your grief, how legacy beliefs shape our coaching voice, and why some of our most powerful work comes only after we've let things die.
If you’ve been itching to burn your business down—or finally let it evolve—this one’s for you. Jen doesn’t hold back, and neither did I.
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The official podcast of comedian Joe Rogan.
Two Guys, Five Rings: Matt, Bowen & The Olympics
Two Guys (Bowen Yang and Matt Rogers). Five Rings (you know, from the Olympics logo). One essential podcast for the 2026 Milan-Cortina Winter Olympics. Bowen Yang (SNL, Wicked) and Matt Rogers (Palm Royale, No Good Deed) of Las Culturistas are back for a second season of Two Guys, Five Rings, a collaboration with NBC Sports and iHeartRadio. In this 15-episode event, Bowen and Matt discuss the top storylines, obsess over Italian culture, and find out what really goes on in the Olympic Village.