Mario Bros Sequel Confirmed, Batman Caped Crusader Leak, Disney+ Shows get Steelbooks, and more!

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(00:19):
Hello, everyone,and welcome to the superhero slate.
The show we rundown the latestsuperhero entertainment news.
We love TV, movies and superheroes.
Let's talk it all out. My name is Chris.
And my name is Mike.
And this week we are celebratingMario Day, which is today
Mike with a sequel announcement.
okay.
March 10th, Ma went.

(00:41):
Mario, get it. Yes. it's a stretch. Okay.
They've been doing it for years, man.I don't make the rules.
They roll with it.
We've got a leaked look at BatmanCaped Crusader series coming to Amazon.
A lot of DMCA takedowns on this one.
So hopefully our links are still thereand we record on this.
More DisneyPlus series are getting Steelbook
releases and we'll talk aboutwhat those are and more.

(01:05):
Yeah,
if you if you weren't listening live,I was just
rambling earlier and that's out thereon the internet, but it's.
We've been rambling for ten years.
Mike It's fine.
It's good to know that evenmy ramblings are so entertaining
that you could record them at any moment,and people will love listening to them.
exactly. Yeah. Yeah.
I threw a few. A little bit.

(01:26):
A little, little tidbit, a little fun factthat Mike before we recorded
because we usually at the last minute
say something silly or,you know, off of beat.
And Mike just ran with it aboutabout a comic book cover and an artist.
So you know I was given a shout out to
Jason who actually he wanted some insidebaseball.
On today's topics.I said, You got to listen.

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So, Jason, if you're listening,this is for you.
I told him about the skateryoung variant of the century
you brought me and you said you've seenskater young stuff before, Mike.
Is that right? What you were saying?
Yeah, I've seen some of his art on.
Well, I mean, they originate on the comicbook covers, right.
But boxed lunchoccasionally will have some of his work
featured on shirts there,which is pretty cool.

(02:10):
But I don't think I have that shirtanymore.
I don't know where it went, but yeah,yeah, I love those little characters.
It's almost kind of likethey feel like maybe like right
at home and like,maybe like a marvel snap.
They are. They're very strict.
They are variantsand snap of a kid variance and snap.
Yes, absolutely.
Yeah, which is great.
But you were talking about listeningearlier

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and I finally got my wife
to watch Mutant Mayhem,
Ninja Turtles, MeatMayhem with me last night
because she didn't she didn't see itwith me when I when it was in theaters.
So that was just an absolute delightto revisit that movie.
You were even bringing it up on the showthe other week
when we announced the sequel coming outand was 26.

(02:56):
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, I think yeah, in 26.
So I was like,Yeah, let's, let's watch it.
And it wasI mean, it was just a great reminder of
just like the movie succeedson every single category of, like film.
And the thing thatI just forgot the most about
not having watched it in like over a year

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is the soundtrack and the score is so goodthat Trent
Reznor score is just so like thumpingand pounding.
Like, I keep forgetting like,
I should be putting this onwhen I'm like working during the day
because this will like, just like,get me like grinding through projects
and stuff like that.
And then like the soundtrack, just like,great.
Like, just kind of like st, like hip hop,you know, fun stuff.

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So like, this is, this is your, your call
if you have not seen mutant mayhem yetto go watch it because it's so good.
Yeah. And I don't I don't know.
I'm just scrolling.
Watch real quickto see if it's in the show notes
and it's not because it's probablyjust an unsubstantiated rumor.
So you're doing your due diligence, Chris,are probably not putting it in here,

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but I did see like one of thoselike unfettered,
like Instagram squaresin my Explorer feed,
which meant like I did no research on it,but it was just like,
Seth Rogen and developmentfor an R-rated animated Venom movie.
And that's probably what made me startedthinking about mutant mayhem
over the weekend.
I don't know if that's going to happen.

(04:21):
I don't think so.
I don't think I don't think, number one,anyone wants to work with Sony
at this point, animated or not,I think, you know, they're still I.
Think on the and I think the animated sideis the only place they have credibility.
But if he's taking another twotwo years right
two and a half years to get that donethen it would be another six years

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because, you know, we have heardand we've talked about the bad taste
into the spider-versenow across the spider-verse,
the second one left on the animefor the crunch time in that literally
having anythingstarted on the third one yet
even though they havelike a release date, remember?
So I don't know.
Knowing that Rogan is taking the oppositeapproach for turtles

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might might clash a little bitwith that sensibilities
now maybe that maybe his productionhouse him in
that was it Evan Evan Goldbergmaybe is that a name.
Yeah yeah they have a productionmaybe maybe they would be involved
as executive producersand maybe someone that they like.
Hey, we,
we want some ideas, but there is noI've not heard anything about that at all.

(05:25):
That's that's a stretch out there.
This is what I love to doat the top of the show.
Before we get into anything,I just like to throw like a stick
in your perfectly crafted spokesof shownotes and I'm just like, Hey Chris,
you want to talk aboutjust random headlines
I saw on the Internetbefore we get to your actual work?
Yeah, no, that's fine.
It's perfectly finebecause you came in, you're like,

(05:46):
there's actually thingsto talk about this week.
And I'm like, Yes, last.
Week was a bit of a stretch,but I hope everyone enjoyed the show.
Yeah, Yeah.
This week.
I would say this weekis a bit of a stretch too.
It's all one of the one of the corepillars of this
episode is around a Zack Snyder interviewon the Joe Rogan experience.
And boy, that hurt to even get all.
The facts, you know that I didn'teven know that was where that was from.

(06:08):
I just saw the show.
I did do due diligence to make surethat's literally what was said,
and it was just quoted,I think, in a in a Vanity Fair.
no, I, I got his quotes.
I watched, I went through the whole thingto make sure we were we were good to go.
And it was painful.
It was so painful.
But before we get in the actual topicsthey are today,

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the Academy Awards are tonight.
Mike I didn't realizethey were here so soon.
All this time well has been outof the it's I don't know what day it is.
Yeah it's going to be crazy out here.
If you're here on the West Coastin Southern California
because we sprung forward, you're like,you know, you're doing like red
carpet lookswhen it's like in the middle of the day.

(06:49):
Yeah, I guess it would be good for camera.
Ah, that's going to be really goodfor that slow motion guy.
I mean,I think that's the only reason people care
about the red carpet anymore is that dudewith the long curly hair.
There's the slo mo, like punch zoom.
Yeah, well,
I don't even think he needed somethingbecause he has, I think underneath a
canopy with the brightlights that you need for the slo mo stuff.
Anyway, so I think he's controlling those,all those variables regardless.

(07:12):
But absolutely. Yeah.
It's the worst onebecause we lose the hours sleep, right?
You know, the winter
when we gain that extra hourin the spring, we lose an hour or so.
I am, I am bummed out mentally,but you know,
physically I'm very excitedfor this extra sunlight.
I'm having the evening to do that stuff.
But the Academy Awards for tonight,I did. I snuck up on me.

(07:33):
I had no idea.
I'm very excitedto hear the old white people telling us
what movies they thought were goodThis year.
So on the flip side of that,when the Academy Awards,
the Razzies are announcedand declared as well,
and the Razzies this year completely swap
what is Winnie the Pooh Blood and honeyas taking the worst of everything.

(07:56):
So if you were concerned
that Shazam Fury of the Gods or Ant-Manand the WASP Quantumania
were going to take those awards,
if you're not Winniethe Pooh, Blood and Honey did.
Cross, I mean, this is I mean,this is good news for them, though.
This is the type of movie that would neversee an award for pretty much anything.
Like maybe if you got likea really talented, practical, like visual

(08:21):
effects person on board, you know,maybe you could get some sort of,
like niche industrylike nomination for like,
nobody's like, you know, done like bloodsplatter like this in a long time.
Right?
But like, I've heard this movieis so unremarkable on so many levels.
It's not even one of those things whereit's like fun to watch because it's bad.

(08:42):
So this is just good for them becauseit just gets them in the news again,
you know? Well, I.
Can't wait for the rereleasewith Woods, with the stickers.
The Razzie Awardwinning stickers are going to put.
yeah, that would be a smart idea, at.
Least lean into it a little bit.
The, you know, Razzies worst worstpicture of the year kind of thing.
But yeah, other than that, you know,the only other movies I saw,

(09:03):
you know,
the movie itself and several actorsfor Shazam, Two Fury of the Gods
was in there quite a bit.
but it was for
Michael Douglas and Bill Murrayas supporting actors in the last quarter.
Maybe not the movie itself.
So really nothing superhero relatedkind of fit in that last year.
So that was you know a plus thatthat that that was, that was that.

(09:27):
But yeah, honestly I don't knowI mean anything else you got before
we jump into this, I was telling Mikeabout my light gun games and he,
he didn't knowthere was a Jurassic Park game.
He probably seen it, but never played it.
But I was going to say, if anyone has any,I like to.
I used to.
I used to when I was younger,
I loved to go to the movie theatersto play the arcade games before the movie
kind of thing. I could do early and dothat.

(09:49):
Don't have that luxury these days,but would love to make up for it.
But we can usually think.
Yeah.
Chris I'm I am extremely like I'mnot like a cheap person
in real life, you know,I'd like to think I'm fairly responsible,
but I am extremely price sensitivewhen it comes
to like arcades, like,and also like the steps to do it.

(10:10):
Like I have to exchange my physical billfor coins and then I have to use how many.
Like the bigger the game is, likethe more footprint it takes in the arcade.
It's like there's going to take eightcoins.
Like, let me do the math real quick. Okay.
That wasn't $2 to play this and I'mprobably going to die after 2 minutes.
Well, let me let me let me showhow outdated your ideas here.

(10:31):
I don't think they've used coinssince 2009.
Well, in this case,this is this is me back in the day.
Yeah.
Now, currently it's all creditsand it's just like it's 24 credits
to play this thing. I don't. I don't.
I don't even do the math.I just swipe the card. Is it green?
I'm going to roll if it's red.
Well, I need to go back and refresh it.
There's like a arcade downtownclose to where we are,

(10:54):
and they have like a VR setup.
yeah. Where?
First of all, I'm like,
I do not want to put that
headset on my face because I don't knowhow many greasy teens it's been on.
You got the.
Creditratio to this one is absolutely insane.
Like, it'slike if Skee-Ball is like two credits.
The thing was like 36 credit.

(11:16):
So I'm like, there's no way thatwhatever this thing is doing
is just better than my, like,cheap matter.
QUEST two at home.
I can't believe they just do credits notmake you just pay straight cash for it.
Like most like, you know, like a laser tagdoes or something like that.
Yeah, there should be like a bouncerin front of it and checks your ID
and you got cash.

(11:36):
You need to pay.
We don't want you tickets.
We just want your cashier.
Can we come in through that? But
yeah.
So anyway, let's go do you knowsad news at the top of the show
earlier this
I would say week
was it maybe Wednesday, Thursdayit was announced.
Akira Toriyama,the creator of Dragon Ball.

(11:58):
Dragon BallZ, Dragon Ball, Super Stallion.
And most of the artwork for the DragonQuest series passed away at 68.
The interesting thing about thisI will say, Mike,
that he actually passed away March 1stand they didn't really announce it
until I think everything was said donedue to the popularity of of you know.
That must I mean thatthat's actually that's pretty nice

(12:20):
because probably gave his family time,you know, to process everything
and you know, get all the affairs in orderand then, you know, and then that's
when like the fan communitygets to kind of like pour in.
I follow a lot of artists on social media,and this passing was obviously sad,
but it was ait was a great celebration because

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usually he kind of just gets strictly
lumped in with like Dragon BallZ, like the anime series.
But I just saw tons of peoplejust sharing his manga art
throughout the week, which was greatbecause that's truly what he is.
He was a manga creatorand it was nice to revisit
maybe some of his more originalor kind of classic Dragon Ball style

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because I love the lookin the vibe of those characters.
Like, you know, obviously we we were likebored and it feels like we were born,
born and raised on Dragon BallZ, where every character has like points,
whether it's in their hair or in their absor their pecs or muscles or
like even like elbows or like the pointy,pointy and ready to fight.
But like dragon Ball,everything's just like, cuter, smoother.

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I mean, we were just talking about
what was it, Scotty
Young Yeah, at the top of the showwith his kind of like, chibi art style.
I mean, Akira Toriyama, like,he, like, catapulted
that visual styleand it's just so, it's so nice.
It's so charming. The the vehicle design.
I mean, his vehicle designs are like,well.
Yeah, I mean, you can tellwhen he did a design or an artwork, right,

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Like and that's why I likeLean It like the Dragon Quest series.
Like when you look at you like I'm like,I'm like, why does this feel so familiar?
Or Chrono Trigger For me,
if you're a fan of RPGs from the nineties,like, do you look at it like,
Why does this look familiar?
it's the hair, it's the eyes, it's the,you know, the body structure
of, of this stuff, of what he created.
And, you know, that is, you know, you, wesee Dragon Ball like he did Dragon Ball.

(14:13):
That was eighties right.
Like most of the eightiesand some of the nineties
And then he went on tojust be kind of an artwork
art designer for a lot of other thingsand doing like one shot's throughout.
But you mentioned,you know a lot of your followers, a lot of
other anime creatorsand really like one piece or Naruto
or any other big anime,you know, was doing, you know,

(14:35):
I guess tribute pieces, as
you would call them to himthis week coming coming out of that.
I wouldn't say that would workbut like you know the
his impact on anime and mangaas a whole is just unrivaled right
for for this current generation of people
like I don't think we would have the animethat we have in America
now if it wasn't for the adaptationand slow adoption of Dragon Ball

(14:58):
Z into Toonami and other CartoonNetwork stuff along the way.
Yeah, I mean, we were saying thatthis news kind of broke later in the week,
so it's been a few days,but just for the sake of experimentation,
I just pulled up my, my,
I don't want to call it an account.
My, my Twitter page.

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The domain is still twitter.com.
So it is Twitter pulled up my Twitter pageand I just started scrolling
and then I'm alreadyseeing more Akira Toriyama
just tributes that I haven't seen.
this one. This one's great.
It's a it's a it's a CRT TV that has a

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Dragon Ball Z in the screen.
And then there's just like all of theselike cords and like vintage,
just like it's like a perfect,just little encapsulation of childhood.
But yeah, he's going to be he'sgoing to be missed.
But I mean,
what I mean,what a dream for every artist out there
to just leave a legacy behind,like how he did, right?

(16:01):
So where you could say his name and peoplelike, Dragon Ball, like right Like,
you know, his name from,from seeing that and being part of that
and the fact that something he created,you know, originally Dragon Ball
and Dragon well, Z was resurrectedlike 20 years later
after it kind of endedright in the mid 2000s with the new movies
and the Dragon Ballsuper thing like you, you know

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someone else I tell youTaro, he he's the guy who's illustrating
Toriyama was like he even hasthat are anime series Dragon Ball game
coming out later this year that he didI heard the story and character designs
for before he passed.
Like just just to continuetaking something you created
and loved doing and have itcome back to life.
Leaders even even crazier to me, right?

(16:45):
Like.
Is this like the one where like Goku,like, well.
Do you think in GTA G.T. dragonball G.T.
So. Like I'm looking at I'mlooking like a kid.
We talked about this before, right?
This looks familiar,but I don't know anything about it.
So Dragon Ball was the sequelto Dragon Ball Z for a lot of people,
but but Toriyama had nothing to do with itother than the name
and some characterdesigns. It's not his story.

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Nothing that was purely named animate,created only nothing based on the manga.
Dima is essentially his I wouldn't sayhis version of it, but they are creating
There's a Dragon Wishthat makes all the characters youthful.
Again, young versions of themselves andis dealing with the small anime series.
Yeah.
So it's not it's not based on

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it's his own unique thing, but he didn'the did create the story for this one.
And then
there's another
game in search of a thinghe created called Sea and Land and a game
is coming out later this year for Stan Leeand like a like a big open world game.
And I think there's a
like a web anime version of itthat's just coming out this year as well.

(17:49):
So like, literally so much,he was still making stuff.
You know.
It looks like it's a it looks like itat least when I Google it,
it's pulling up on manga.
So maybe it's based on one of his.
Yeah, he started with the mangathen it's like it's continued.
It's like this is One life 20 years later.
Again, I kind of deal.So yeah, absolutely.
His art style is just so strong.

(18:09):
Like I'm pulling up Stan Lee and obviouslynot connected to Dragon Ball in any way,
but like you look at the back cover,there's a tank on it that looks like
it's straight out of like the, you know,any of his worlds, these characters.
So yeah, so we lostwe lost a good one for him.
Absolutely.
So anyone who's ever been, you know, we

(18:33):
I guess anyone who's watched Dragon Ballor knows Dragon Ball
like this is one of the biggest, you know,I guess,
properties out of what BandaiI believe who owns it.
So like
it's still one of the biggest thingsand one piece
has gotten out there as well,but this is great.
Hopefully they don't make a live actionadaptation again anytime soon.
I have a question for you, Chris,since you seem to be

(18:54):
the Lord and master of screens in my life,
can you read like black and white mangaunlike e-ink screens?
Some of them, yes.
So I think some of the Kindlethe candles have the ability
to read some of those noncolored ones. Yes.
Because I feel likethat would be like, great.
I mean, obviously manga artwork would lookamazing, like on an iPad, right?

(19:16):
No one's saying thatthat wouldn't be the case.
But like, on on e-ink,I feel like that'd be kind of fun.
Yeah. Yeah.
I believe I believe some of the earlierKindles before they became
tablets had that abilityto to get those books in there,
which is
again one of the hardest things they readright to left and to the left to right.
So wheneverI'm looking at like panels on like,
you know, Twitter or something like that

(19:38):
or Instagram, I'm like,am I reading this the right direction?
Do I need to like, how do I do it?
I just I just googled like e-ink mangaand there's like, lit.
I came across a literal, like, purposebuilt device just for manga.
It's like, it's like an eco screen,but it's like two panels,
like left screen, right screenfor like right and left pages.

(19:58):
and yeah, it's just like a little tabletshirt for reading manga.
That's, that's great.
that's pretty neat. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I will never forgive you for the timeyou had an extra order
of Dragon BallZ manga delivered to your apartment.
Mike and
I didn't get them becauseyou gave them away to somebody else.
I forgot.
I forgot about. That.I have not. I'm still holding you.

(20:19):
I'm still hold that against youAll these years later.
All those free things I never got but.
In the back.
Right. Yes, but anyway.
But yeah, well, well,like I said, power went out for him.
Shifting gears, today is March 10th,as Mike has just discovered, Mario Day.
And with that, there's a bunch of Mariothings being announced and video game

(20:40):
release dates for like paper Mario,the thousand year door remaster
for Switch,I think Luigi's Mansion two HD.
There's a LegoMario Kart sets coming out next year.
So if you're into Lego Mario Kart.
But also the big thing that came outwas Super Mario Brothers.
The movie has an A sequel coming outApril 3rd, 2026.

(21:03):
It was announced today.
Same teams coming back, creative teams.
I don't know about the voice teams,probably the voice actors as well,
but at least the same creative teamthat had me back to
continue these storyin the Super Mario Brothers world.
Hey, that's the same yearwe're getting more turtles
depending on the production cyclefor the Spider-verse movie.

(21:24):
Yeah,maybe we'll just have a repeat of 2023.
Let's get all of these animated films.Get animated stuff.
Yeah,I enjoy the Super Mario Brothers movie.
I it's still this week
I was looking at the Nielsen streamingnumbers, the number one movie streaming
this week is actually The Marvels,which is great.
The third movie is actually Mario.

(21:44):
Super Mario Brothers still likeit is still in the top ten of animated
or not, just streaming movieslike since its release on streaming.
Yeah, it's just one I mean that was
I mean, not to dive back into the reviewfor the movie, but that was my biggest
criticism for the movie is itfeels like an illumination movie, right?
It doesn't feel like they're trying
to elevate the materialin any way to connect with adults.

(22:08):
It's like,they just want to hit those kids.
And that's what the kids do.
They put a T,they put a movie on and they stream it.
They just watch it on repeat all day,five days in a row, six days in a row,
take a break, because they're, you know,parents forced to watch something else
when they go right back to it.
So I'm not surprised that a movielike Mario is still in the top.

(22:29):
But I think it's also one that probablyis the least grating on parents
in terms of that, like you're not gettinga bunch of minion gibberish sounds or.
Yeah, I suppose.
Like Steve Carell's bad accent.
You know,we were talking about this. People hate.
That group.
Yeah.
So like, it's not very grandiose.
It's got popular songs like Take On Mewhenever they go in there,

(22:52):
despite the fact they had songsactually composed for those pieces.
It's not a perfect movie by any means,but boy, compared to its
original super materialslive action adaptation, it's a godsend.
Please give us another.
But yeah, good for it.
I mean, I'm excited for for Marioto get a sequel in the Nintendo

(23:13):
and Illumination or DreamWorksIllumination.
Is that the same thing now? I don't know.
To their own by the same parent companyof Comcast Universal.
Gotcha. Different. Different.
Well good good for them to put out a movieto get that much faith in
and want to create a second one. So,
move, move, move it on with that.

(23:34):
All right, let's get to the Zack Snyder
Joe Rogan experience. boy.
And this is like,this is, like, perfect, like bait for me.
Whenever Zack Snydercomes out of the woodwork
and just says something stupid,I'm just like, I'm fired up.
I'm fired up.
Yeah.
So first and foremost, we're going to getthe Batman Superman thing.
I like this.That's actually on topic here.

(23:56):
The other one is as well, butZack Snyder says he prefers Ben Affleck
as Batman over Christian Balebecause Batman's a big dude.
and that he is not being rudeto Christian Bale's version.
He just prefers a bulkier Batman
and he wanted this big.
I didn't put it in here.
He runs big explanationof how Ben Affleck is like six

(24:16):
six with muscleswhen he's like in the suit
and that Christian Bale's a great Batman,but he's still only 510 with the suit on.
I get it.
You have a personal preferenceof what your Batman looks like
in your comic books,but what a weird thing to bring up.
Yeah, I mean, for some, for some reason,I feel like
this was more this was this from the JoeRogan interview.

(24:37):
All this was absolutely always okay.
Because the expert, the expert interviewer
Joe Rogan is which sarcasm notedthere is I'm sure he's
just going stream of consciousnessand just like, who's your favorite Batman?
Which Batman do you like more?
I've met both of these guys before.
But we will see. Someone'sprobably feeding them some questions.

(24:59):
They're like, Hey, we want a flare upthe Internet a little bit.
Could you ask him about Batmanfor a second?
Yeah, I mean, I don't disagree.
I think visually, Ben Affleck'sBatman on screen looked amazing.
I mean, that was on like on recordfor the Internet
when we saw the first trailerfor the movie.
He looked so awesomein that kind of more like

(25:19):
gray leaning Dark Knight Returns suit.
And it fits that world, right?
Like it fits that world of this Batman.
Like he's what was he like?
There's a workout montage wherehe's pulling tires with chains and stuff
like that to like, like just become like,we never get that with Christian Bale.
Like,we we see him do more martial arts, right?
He's more of a quick on his feetkind of fighter in that that series

(25:41):
he learned from ratio rule.
So like I understand it
fits the universebut you know it's you know.
I mean that the height thingis kind of like a moot point,
especially in like production.
The only people that are going to noticeare the ones that are on set.
I mean, Tom Cruise historically,you know, a shorter guy,
but you'd never know itif you looked at the movies that he watch.

(26:04):
And it's funny and it all dependson the people you surround him with,
because when I'm thinking like, you know,the scene in is it.
Yeah.
Just yeah, I guess Justice League,I suppose when all of the heroes are
kind of in like Bruce is like warehouseand they're like,
I think like fixing their.
He, he's fixing the thingbecause he's the only person who can't run

(26:25):
or fly or swim fast.
So yes, he has to do that.
I mean, if you flank Ben Affleckwith Jason Momoa and Gal Gadot,
they're both seemlike they're pretty big in stature.
Like he actually kind ofseems like short and compare.
And I'm pretty sure Cyborg was there rightas a robot.
He's a very large person as well.
yeah he is he is in that movie.
Is I don't feel like he was sixand a half feet tall.

(26:46):
If so,
he felt like an average
six foot person with everyone elsearound him being six and a half foot tall.
So either either.
Either way, this is just a primerfor just like Snyder, just always
trying to subtly say the stuff he doesis better than you think.
It is like he
it just feels like he constantly hasto kind of, like, defend himself in a way.

(27:08):
Yeah. Yeah, a little bit. So. Well.
Well, yeah. So, Batman, is he?
He did not have anything badto say about Christian Bale or, you know,
Christopher Nolan's work, obviously,which led him.
And he was a producer on Man of Steel.Right.
Christopher Nolan was like,he helped feed that.
So he didn't have anything bad to say.
It was just a point to bring up that heof course, he prefers
the Batman he created and had a handin doing things with movie Non Rebel Moon.

(27:31):
Mike, we talked about this.
I think we caused this to happenbecause I earlier this week I said Mike
Army do Rebel Moon part two sometime soon
like I feel like it's been yearssince that first one came out.
I literally forgot about the movie.
I often, like many people, think of mybrain like a filing cabinet, right?
And like as things
become unimportant, you get further,further back into the cabinet

(27:54):
and just different things throughoutyour life will bring like the note
car's forward or backwards, like,I swear, like Rebel Moon, like,
I just I just missed the draw entirelyand the car just fell on the floor.
I just don't remember it at all. Yeah.
So, Rebel Moon, Part one
Charlo Fire, then Part two, Star Giver.
It's coming out, I think.
April So we are, we are due for it soonso this is probably some pre

(28:18):
marketing pre advertising getting rightgetting Zack's narrative
he's probably on hot ones next weekif we we pay attention but Zack Snyder
on the Joe Rogan experience has donesome interesting math if you will.
To is this a I think a girl math this is.
Worse than your.
Math.
This is like, what do we call thislike director math? Yes.

(28:40):
SCHNEIDERMAN Yeah.
So so I'm going to I'mjust going to go through quotes here
and make you bear with me here.
So he says, so say right now, RebelMoon has almost 90 million views
on Netflix, 90 million startsor 90 million accounts turned it on.
Well, it's give or take.
They assume two viewers per screening.
I'm putting an asterisk onevery one of these sentences.

(29:01):
We're going to cover them at the end.
Then he goes on.
So you think if that movie was in theatersas a distribution model, that's
160 million people supposedly watching
based on that math, okay.
More people probably saw Rebel Moon thansaw Barbie in theaters in the theater.
That's how crazy Netflix,that's the distribution model they set up,

(29:21):
he concluded.
So he is saying that
I forget the numbershere, 160 million people at $10
a ticket would make $1.6 billion make,
which Barbie made $1.4 billion
if his math is one for one.

(29:42):
So I went through this.
I did this whole thing
like I went through this meallistening to this, it kind of broke down.
So there's big assumptionhere. Netflix is there.
Viewers can get interviewson viewed minutes divided by runtime.
Okay.
On this podcast,you watched Rebel Moon, right?
Did your wife watch Rebel Moon with you?

(30:04):
no. Yeah, same here.
So we out of our, out of our sample
pool of two were 100% against his modelalready.
Yeah.
For this also he said
Yeah.
So Netflix is viewersview minutes right away
runtime gets a number of viewerswhich is still not true because

(30:25):
if there are Snyder fans who justwatch this like four or five times
that's so one person right?
That's one ticket.
Also assuming two viewers per screeningis a non confirmed assumption
that Netflix must use internallyor that he has made up for this
because there's no way inany officially really saying
that they saywe assume two person to people per view

(30:47):
on this other announcement stuff.
Yeah I'm I'm assuming Snyder
like I've said before,I want to know I want someone
to identify this,
this, this cheerleader,this, this bolster, this,
this producer who at Netflixhas such a hard on for Snyder

(31:09):
that they are pushing all of his projectsthrough no matter what.
Whoever that person is.
That is Snyder's connectionand to like the Netflix universe
so I could I could easily seewhoever this producer has been like,
yeah, just go ahead and assume like that.
Double it, you know, because like,you know, you have it on the couch.
So there's multiple people there.
So I would assume I don't think it'sprobably an official number.

(31:33):
It's probablyjust some like coked up producer
over on Netflixjust getting to jazzed on Snyder.
I mean, there's there's so many takeawaysyou can take from this, right?
Like, even if you give the benefitof the doubt to all of these numbers,
you know, factually right
There is so there's so little

(31:55):
in between.
So, yes, watching something on Netflixbeyond going to a movie.
Right.
So even if you theoreticallygot all of these viewers,
if you were to make them pay,you know, ala carte for Rebel Moon,
you can go ahead and already take outprobably over half of the people
that watched Rebel Moon.
I mean, me and you, Chris,if we weren't doing this show, best case

(32:17):
scenario, I would have started itand then never finished it
because it was so bad or I just neverwould have watched it to begin with.
So we had ulterior motivesto even finish it, right?
Yeah.
So that's giving the benefit of the doubtthere.
But also at what interest level are peopleactually watching the movie?

(32:37):
Right?
When I was in theaters watching Barbie,I was front and center.
Luckily no distractions in my theater,
ingesting the whole narrativeof of the film, all of the performances.
Right.
What is everybody doing on their couchat home in front of Netflix?
They're looking at their phonelike every like 2 seconds.
Right.And they're checking notifications, right?

(32:59):
You're not ingratiating a fan basethe same.
So even if we give you all of thoseviewers, I mean, how many of them
are really going to go to bat for youand the future of your franchise?
So like it like and you have hereyour final note.
Yeah.
That both of them,you know, both praised Barbie.
So this is very similar to the Batmanconversation we were just having.

(33:21):
I don't believe there isSnyder is doing slights on anyone right.
He is just out herejust trying to prove to himself
that he's not being a failureat all of these narratives
that he's creating like he has to finda way to compare himself to something
more critically or, you know, financially

(33:42):
successful because he can't make anythinggood anymore.
Like, I don't know what he needs to do.
I mean, step one, he just needs to directsomething that he didn't write.
That is the first thing he needs to do.
And he needs to find a creative producer,
somebody that just won't let him dowhatever he wants.
If he ever has a chance of making

(34:02):
anything that people are actually goingto universally enjoy.
And I don't think that'sever going to happen because if he's going
well on a podcast like thisand doing all of these mental gymnastics
to prove to himselfthat he's still doing good, like.
Well, I wouldn't say.He has not a lot of hope here, I think.
Yeah, yeah.
I don't know if he's doing itor I don't know.

(34:23):
I don't I don't know the guy you know.
But I do think it ishard to say the things I can't believe
the things he says. I can't
endorse the things he produces.
And also I pulled up, by the way,just just because I was I was curious
and I pull up earlier it's a streamingmodel
is to viewing like like you mentionedapples oranges even wrote that down here.

(34:44):
And then I was looking up
the top 20 most watched films of 2023on streaming in the U.S..
Okay, We're just going to go off U.S.
because we can say it'snot even in the top 20.
Make it leave the worldbehind, you people.
The mother murder mystery two
are all higher streaming on Netflixthan than this movie did.

(35:07):
So I don't know again so againand I believe these numbers more than
the unreleased Netflix viewingmodel right streaming numbers versus
that there
are some people out there
probably watching red Notice on repeatjust to say that, you know, eight
people are watching this a daykind of deal in regards, you know, I,
I just don't I can't agree with his math.

(35:29):
I don't think if they put Rebel Moon intheaters, it would be Barbie level stuff.
I mean you
the fact this is this is your girl math.
You want your girl math like youyour math.
If you're already subscribing to Netflixand you watch a movie on there,
guess what?
It's free because you already havea subscription, right?
You're not paying for that.
How many moviesdo you watch a month on Netflix

(35:51):
and how many those would you notwatch in the theater?
Because the price is not $10 a ticket.
But let's be honest,When's the last time you paid $10
to go to see a movie like in theatersvery long time ago?
Yeah.
I mean,I don't even want to associate the term
girl math of this because girl math. Item.
Fun, right? Yeah.
This there. There's no fun happening.

(36:12):
Well, I'm just saying,if it was any movie and you're honest,
if you have Disney Plusand you watch the marvels, guess what?
It's free.
Yeah.
And also, I think you're the the numbersthat you brought up of those top
20 streaming movies is a great point, too,because we can certainly take that
as you know, somewhat fact, right,Because those are those are like
real hard numbers that can be backed upwith data from Nielsen.

(36:35):
Right.
So if we take those as truth and givesSnider
the benefit of the doubtthat maybe he's the 21st movie, right?
He's like this off the chart, right.
That just meansthat there are 20 more successful movies
that year than his, like Science
fiction magnum opusthat he had total creative control

(36:57):
and a huge budgetfor right for a streaming movie.
So like you that's not even serving youwell if you look at it that way, dude, of
just like all of these other 20 moviesand some of them are just kind of schlock
that got into that top 20.
So it's just like, Dude,you got to rethink your creative.
You got to rethink your creative strategy.

(37:20):
Well. Not a good idea.
Let me go and tell you,Super Mario is on the list twice
because of its numbers on Peacockand the list numbers on Netflix.
my God.That's how good that movie's doing, right?
I mean, just,
you know,
since we've already talked
about Guardians of Galaxy in here, BlackPanther, Wakanda forever, it's on here.
Avatar,The way of water, big streaming last year.

(37:40):
So like, you know, they're their movies.
These are movies that were in theaters.
And then they came out
and then they had people watch themeven more at home, right?
That's tell us.
that's a point.Those are all second viewings.
Yeah. Like,I think leave the world behind.
Maybe murder mystery.
I think maybe the mothersome of these are, you know initial

(38:01):
but like a lot ofthese are second dipping, right,
of like people who didn't pay to go watch.
So add them on to their actual box officetotal
and see what youget at the end of that. So,
yeah, I just it's hard
again, I'm I'm not angry at Zack Snyder.
I just he has he has essentiallyconflated himself with success.

(38:25):
And there there is no reason for that.
I think if you took a more humble approachto himself
and his works,we probably get something good out of it.
Right?
Like, you know, be lessand less is more at the end of the day.
But when you're out there
doing this kind of stuff in a podcastthat is known for poking the bear
and being dramatic and,you know, making outrageous claims

(38:46):
because they have quote unquote,hot takes Mike on it,
you're bound to get something like thisto pop up there.
I mean,he can factually say he got us fired up.
Yeah, we're talking about it.
He's he's getting the listen,you know, he got listeners on the show.
That's true for this.
I mean, notmany directors can say that. Yes.
The last thingI'll say, I don't have the notes here,

(39:07):
but he did say I believe confirmed thatthe director's cuts of Rebel Moon part
one two will come out at the same timerather than a double release.
Again,I think they're going to wait for them,
both them, and put them both out there,which would be nice
if, you know, we revisit themin those director's cut formats
to not have to wait and forgetabout a movie for six months at a time.

(39:28):
So we'll keep you guys posted as more
quote unquote news
comes out of the situation for us.
Superman as filming.
And one of the things that was brought upis that the first scenes are being filmed
in Svalbard, Norway, which is a stand infor an ice fortress location.
So that's where they're filming first.

(39:50):
that's what I was just about to say.
So that might explaina little bit of the snow on the suit photo
that was released holding out forfor frost breath still now.
Hey, I'm not against you. I think.
I think give them the frost breath.
But I think, you know,
Fortress of Solitude. Ice. Fortress.
That's nice.They only touch Correct me if I'm wrong.

(40:10):
They only touched on that brieflyin Man of Steel. Right.
Like when he went backand found the thing.
And then I think they dug it out in Batman
v Superman when they brought it into townto make Doomsday.
So it would be niceto actually have a nice ice fortress
that's more than just a one timelocation for him.
So hopefully we get some of thatin the Superman movie from James Gunn.

(40:35):
All right.
So this is going to be a gamblehere, Mike.
I've got leaked images from BatmanCaped Crusader, the animated series
that Amazon picked up.
And I don't know if these links workbecause the Amazon is taking them down.
So the first onewe have our first designs from this and
they're from obviously Amazon Research,so they're showing off of screenshots

(40:55):
along the way
and it kind of confirmsa couple of things here and what
you can see briefly in these shots, Mike,that the design is a cross
between Batman, the Animated series
and Batman, the Brave and Bold herewhen you take a look.
Yeah, I was going to sayI wasn't even really a watcher
of Brave in the Bold, but you know,the style is recognizable enough.

(41:16):
Yeah.
And I think we get even moreso on our second link here.
You know, not to cut you off
in the villains that have been released,the villain designs are very much
animated series to me more than thethe Batman we're seeing.
The the Renee Montoya in the middle.
Yeah, thatjust feels like the perfect encapsulation

(41:37):
of the Bruce Timmkind of character design.
The catwoman's cool to see to the vintageCatwoman.
Yeah. So? So we've got six,
seven, eight villains here, some redesigns
that are obviously going to maybe sparkcontroversy or discussions along the way.
But to meit was an Italianate in the bottom left.

(41:58):
It looked like a Bruce Timm character,
like maybe like Batman beyondeven in the eyes a little bit.
But you can see here,you have to face not as scarred,
not not as purposely on the face,like gently,
a scarred, if you will, gentleman ghostI've never heard of before in my life.
Clayface is interesting.
It looks like he has hair inthe possibility melted

(42:21):
looking face, if you will.
A little bit Catwoman like you mentionedPurple Classic design with the Capes.
Renee Montoya.
Now the tail, you know,it looks like a Wednesday.
Addams, if you will.
Onomatopoeia I believe he he's been
in some other promotional artbut he reminds me of the spot
if he was in Spider-Man two RAnd lastly the one

(42:43):
I think that caused the most conversationis the Harley Quinn redesign.
And this is very much a gesture.
Take on Harley Quinn, if you will.
Yeah, I didn't even know it was HarleyQuinn at first until I read the caption.
I figured that was
part of like the Royal Flush gangor something along those lines.
That sounds like somethingthe Powerpuff Girls like the Royal Flush.

(43:03):
But anyway.
This. This almost makes sense though.
Like Harley Quinn originated from thein the animated series.
So kind ofif you're returning to that world,
it almost seems like, well, let'sdo something like fresh and different,
you know, because this seems to be likea very not unique take on Batman

(43:23):
I Batman's definitely gone noir before,but like, you know, if you're going
to, you're going to do it different.
I'm I'm basically what I'm saying isI'm okay with it.
You know,
I'm kind of curious what everything'sgoing to look like in motion.
I keep looking back at, you know, thefirst image that we get to see of Batman.
And I'm assuming that's Alfred.
Yes. there with his very broad shoulders.

(43:45):
I'm curious what the visual is goingto look like, right?
Because when I think of Batman,the Animated series as a kid growing up,
it was it was a dark show, was mature,I believe if I remember right,
they didn't even use like white Paperwhen they were doing
like the character designs and backgroundsthey were using like black paper.
And then they were basically addinglight to it instead of adding dark to it.

(44:08):
And that just like really brokethrough on the visual design
always felt like way more mature,like even as you got
older, it always felt like a showthat like, your older
sibling was supposed to be watchingand you weren't still quite old enough.
I know
it's going to be impossibleto recapture that feeling as well, right?
But like, you know, with these new waysthat you can produce animation, it's it's

(44:31):
almost easier to do like lighting effectsand add like brightness to it.
I almost want them to gothe opposite direction
and just keep making it that dark.
That first image.
If you look at the logo, right,that's where that is, right?
It's a black image and they've addedlight to it to make Batman pop off of it.
So I believe it.
And obviously I see most of thisand I can't really give a confirmation.

(44:53):
Is this like 1930s, like 1940s era
like supposed to be setor like a faux twenties and thirties era.
I feel like they'll,
I feel like they'll kind of dowhat they did with the original animated
series of just like they kind ofkeep it nebulous, you know, it seems like,
if you're going to tell like maybe a storythat's related to

(45:13):
maybe technology in a way, just write itin a way where maybe we don't have
to include like a smartphone, you know,So it can kind of be almost timeless.
In a way,
because if you look at these, likethey're wearing suits and like, you know,
different design, like there's no modern,you know, look to these characters.
And if you look at Batman and

(45:34):
the butler here, Alfred.
ALFRED Yeah. Like, you know,there's nothing giving away that scene.
This is a modern suit even, right?
It looks like a very gray suitwith a very small Batman logo on it.
Like a kind of like the sixties Batman,if you will.
Right. That little logo in the middle.
So it looks like they're they're reallyborrowing the animated series, like,
hey, we're not seeing this a certain time,but they are leaning possibly into

(45:55):
you mentioned noir twenties throws noir
pretty heavily on this stuff.
But these are very real imagesbecause Amazon, who is,
you know, releasing this producershave been hitting the accounts
who've been shooting this with DMCAtakedowns.
That's why I was worried about the justreally curious, even though I went through
a lot of different waysto get them along the way.

(46:15):
So get a look where you can becausethere are some other cleaner images.
But those were taken down like right awayand once they're taken down,
they're hard to get those highres images back again. So,
I'm excited for this.
I like to see an actionlike a trailer, but,
you know, Amazon's been doing great stuffwith their animated work lately,
so we'll see, you know, when it comes out,what we'll get out of it.

(46:37):
Spider man.
Spider man does whatever spider can,including swing back in the theaters.
Mike has been waiting to use that one.
Sony is releasing all Spider-Man movies,live action
from Tobey Maguire, Andrew Garfield,Tom Holland's into theaters again
this year on a weekly basisstarting in April.
So if you want to go relive the,

(47:00):
you know, 2000, early,
late, you know, the two tens,
all of the movies are hearingfrom Spider-Man, Spider-Man
two, three, amazing Spider-Man two,Homecoming Far from Home and No Way Home.
And the release dates are in here.
No rumors
to be a bit of ait seems to be a bit of a theme this year.
I mean, we started off the year with thethose pandemic

(47:24):
direct Disney plus Pixar movieshitting theaters.
Now, these Spider-Man'sare being rereleased.
I mean, I know this this this isn't new.
They do this before, but it's interestingto see more of a theme
being built out around it now.
Like this is like a bigthis is a big marketing event
because we can market all of theSpider-Man movies are coming back
and you know, all of these Pixar movies,it's not just kind of like one off

(47:47):
rerelease of just like, let's get Avatarback on the top of the box
office again because a couple more milto get it back up there.
And it's not a Fathom eventswhere it's like, Hey, do you want to see
the silent film The Mask of Zorro Againin theaters kind of thing?
So, yeah, absolutely.
There are no plans for Spider-verse moviesat this time, sadly,

(48:08):
But I think that's fine.
Honestly, I would love to see Spider-Mantwo again in theaters
if I could like look at this listand be like, I would love to go revisit.
Watching the Spider-Manone or two in the theaters
just just to do it againbecause it's been so long.
Right. I'm curious, too.
I'm not saying this is the reasonwhy they're doing this, but I'm sure
there's some sort of finance department,some sort of producers that are

(48:32):
that are going to be paying
close attention to the numbersfor The Amazing Spider-Man.
Right.
Because Andrew Garfield'slike portrayal of Spider-Man
kind of turned into like a meme overthe last couple of years of people
like putting on three pairs of rosecolored glasses.
I don't know how many it takesto make that movie good,
but people seem to be tricking themselvesthat those were good.

(48:55):
The the first one is not bad.
I will I will give them the first one.
That second one can never exist.
I'd be happy person
and I'm not usually that negative,but that movie is just a waste of time.
You I feel.
I feel like, you know, after Madam webit's going to be like, we're Sony.
We're still going to be making crazySpider-Man movies,

(49:15):
whether you like it or not,because we don't want to lose the license.
But they're probably going to bea little bit more judicious about it.
So maybe they're going
to need some numbers to back upif they're going to bring Garfield.
I Disagree?
I don't think I don't think you canyou can tell them right from wrong
and those they won't listen to you eitherway, Mike,
because we are still getting creativeand we are still getting, you know,

(49:36):
Venom three is fine.
I understand.
Venom three they got two,they can do three, but
we're still going to get Kraven this yearand it's going to be even worse, right?
Because he has a magicanimal blood in him.
We've seen the trailer.They can't trick us anymore.
We you know what's happeningbut I think this is is
and medsunderperforming the box office right it's
it's a it's a tragedythere are laughing stock

(49:56):
how do we get more money in our pocketswithout extra work.
This is how you do it.
You do a limited time
theatrical releasefor some of these movies
and you just get more moneyin your pockets.
At the end of the day,
I don't I don't think they're smart enoughto have any,
you know, numbers or stats behind itto think about the future.
They're just going to make whatever AviAaron says he wants to make because,

(50:17):
you know, he has like what had producerrights or whatever over there.
So to me, it's just a money thing.
It's like,why the feint, like the Phantom Menace
we talked abouta couple of weeks ago coming
on his birthday this year.
I'm like, Yeah, I'll watch it.
I don't care.
In the 25th anniversary to watchThe Phantom Menace, cause I'd like to go
watch it in theaters, but I don't thinkthere's ulterior motives for it for that

(50:38):
along the way.
But, you know, maybe it's just my naivete.
But again, I think if I was to pickone of these, Mike, obviously Spider-Man
one or two, is there any of themthat you would like to see in theaters
if you were like, Hey,we got a free ticket for you,
You can go to any one of these.We have one.
Honestly, probably Spider-Man two. Yeah.
You know, thethe Tom Holland ones are great,
but they're just fresher in my brain.

(50:59):
A little less necessary.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I remember watching those movies.
Right In the other ones,I'm like, I do. I remember.
So. So.
Absolutely, so cool. All right,well, we'll keep everyone.
I mean, you can go take a look
if I go any amount you guys now,but I'm excited to see what that is.
Even though at least they're not doingvenom at the end of this.

(51:19):
Maybe,you know, hey, we're going to do a venom
take off in a morbius watch party.
But either way.
All right, So we're going to jump intowe've got two separate topics of this.
The first one is Marvel,and that's the Falcon and the Winter
Soldier and Moonlight are bothgetting Steelbook 4k Steelbook releases

(51:39):
at the end of April,and this includes extra featurettes,
deleted scenes and other thingsthat you would expect to find out,
at least not just the episodes.
And this follows the previous
release of Wandavision and Loki,which got those as well.
So to me this is another grab
to make up money for things that they lostmoney on streaming early on,

(52:01):
right?
Wasn't it just
well, didn't we just report that
Disney is moving all physical mediaproduction through Sony?
Yeah,they're handling like the refactoring.
Of all. That. Well, they're handlingthe non collectible versions.
This would be considereda collectible version.
So. Yeah. Okay. Got to wait.

(52:21):
Like maybelike whenever Avatar comes out or
you'll remember after Sony will handleall the production and stuff.
Like that, just frees upwhatever department works on
these collectible stuff.
You know, maybe they can be a little bitmore focused in the future, but
I don't know.
Chris.
Chris,I going to ask you a real question here.
Yes, I'm pre-ordering.

(52:41):
This is going to cutto the heart of your call.
You collect all these right. And
I, I appreciate the Completionist side
and I'm sure even I would get satisfaction
out of looking at the shelf of all thisdeal books because I don't think
I've ever seen themall collected in one spot before.
But are you still taking themout of the case and watching them

(53:04):
off of the disk?
That's a that's a that's athat's a fun question.
TV shows. Like this is hostile. Though.
Not really, because I would say
when I watched Dune part one,I watched the DVD of Dune.
I didn't watch distribution of DuneTV shows.
A little harder to get intobecause you just want to I just want
you know, I'll be honest, I'mnot revisiting a lot of the Marvel stuff.

(53:25):
You know, if I'm going to be completelytransparent, it's hard to.
But the movies I do, Iif I have the 4K version, I will put it
in my Blu ray player and watch it with mywith my home set up the way I have it.
I mean, that's, that's a
that, I mean, that's a fair argument therebecause you have a nice set up.
You have a projector, you have all of the,the Dolby atmos that you could possibly.

(53:48):
Yeah.
To relive a theatergoing experience.
I get that straight off the disc.
Yeah. A regular person.
I don't expect themto have this kind of thing.
Like, you know,if you're a huge fan of Falcon or Soldier
or maybe Moon Knight, you're like,I really want to win Moonlight.
Really enjoyed it.
This is this is great for you.
Then added in there,I don't think Disney Plus
is not the the

(54:10):
since Disney owns this Disneyplus is not the place
that will take this off line right.
I don't expect the Falcon Winter Soldieror moonlight to disappear from Disney
plus in any given time so thatthis is not a fear for for for those.
But you know, I do I do enjoyhaving the steelbook sets for all these.
But like the movies,I will absolutely guide the TV shows
kind of hit or miss if I'm goingto be honest for some of that stuff.

(54:33):
It's just
you can only fit, I think.
What is it, two episodes, a disc maybe,or maybe three,
depending how long they.
Right.
So, you know, you're still swapping diskif you ever want to sit down
and watch a lot of the seriesin a row for that.
But again,
I'm excited to see you know, I think

(54:54):
the thing about Marvel,whether you like these shows or not,
I know you're not a fan of Sacramentoto make the artwork, the designs for
everything still pretty solidin everything they do, I think.
Yeah, they really lean into the symbolism
and the color palettesand suffer each series and movie.
And I'm I'm excited for her for that.
So I'm more impressedat the quick turnaround for these

(55:15):
if I'm going to be completely honestwhen they say we're going to do this
and then, you know,
the preorders on the 12th, which is or11th and, 12th, which is this week,
and then to be able to have itwithin two months,
that that's the impressive part to me.
Mike at the end of the day. So
we got some more of these laterwe'll talk about,
but we'll jump into Marvel Zombiesreal fast.
This is an update of Moon Knightin the animated series.

(55:37):
Marvel Zombies will apparently be Bladewith Conscious Empowerment,
which is backing up that Mahershala Ali
rumor we had earlier
this year that he will voice the character
so I think it's pretty neat.
Wait so

(55:57):
moonlight you say is going to meet?
No, no no.
So so so so Moon Knightis someone who's been chosen.
I can't you right?
It's not necessarily a person.
It's someone with the powers.
So Blade will have Moon Knight's powersand be the Moon Knight in this show.
Okay, I see what you're saying.
So not only willhe be a badass with swords, fighting

(56:18):
zombies and vampires, buthe will also have Moon Knight's powers.
No, I mean, it'd be kind of coolif they do.
Maybe a fun characterdesign of kind of mashing up.
Maybe some of the the white kindof cloth garb and maybe cowl.
Yeah, with blade, that'll be kind of cool.
I'd be.I'd be interested to see the character.
Yeah. Do anything unique.And what do we always say in innovation?

(56:39):
They can make any powersthat work in animation, right?
So, you know, giving him, you know,his is obviously daywalker powers and Moon
Knight Powers would be really coolto see in animated form along the way.
Moving on, X-Men 97 had a
fun little TV guide artwork release
showing the release scheduleepisode titles for the upcoming show

(57:02):
this week.
So they showed the character models
confirming that the premiere on March20th is a two episode premiere,
kicking this back off and doing weekly upuntil the season end in May.
So yeah, I mean, all you have to dois read these episode titles to go like,

(57:22):
I don't think this is reallyfor the kiddies anymore.
I mean, Fire maid fleshtolerance is extinction.
Life, death. Life, debt like that.
I mean, yeah this they arethey're doing what they should do where
the audience was created
back in 97 and we're all older now,

(57:43):
so there's no reason to followthe same kind of standards and practices.
Yeah.
And then on top of that,the fact that they're leaning into this
nineties vibe,like with the TV guide, it's
even got the little printed label stickeron the bottom and the old remote, right?
Like they're just really havinga good time with the designs
and this and in the marketing material. So

(58:06):
kudos to
them and I'm excited toto get this thing in this watch.
And when it comes out in literallywe can a week and a half to ten days
so we call
Deadpool and Wolverine.
I about wrote this is Deadpoolthree might be
so I forgotwe had a title that came out this role

(58:27):
Vinnie Jones, as you may remember,
who played the juggernaut in X-Men threebecause he's the juggernaut bitch.
I couldn't his team couldn't strike a dealto return
for the movieas Juggernaut in Deadpool Wolverine.
And mostly he says it because,you know, the practical suit he wore an
X-Men was a physical toll on him.
So which.
Is which is interestingbecause you know if you look at the suit,

(58:50):
I wouldn't necessarily say there's I mean,I guess it's
I is different in the beholderor if you will, But I would imagine
you could take those maybe concernsto the costume department
and maybe they'd have some, you know.
Some update. Upgraded techniques.
But it seems like if they couldn't
come to agreement, it'sprobably more about money, right? Yeah.

(59:12):
Time to the Deadpool teamis probably looking at these as, like
maybe cheap fun cameosif you want to, like,
come to set for like a day or two and,you know, be in a big summer movie,
Blockbuster Reprise your characterwhere maybe some of the other people
are thinking like,you need me to really sell this cameo.
So we want the big bucks.

(59:33):
And well, it's funny.
There's a disparage, there's a desperateis there between.
Yeah, well, I would say it's also funny
we've already had the juggernaut since himthat was all CGI and Deadpool two, so
not necessarily.
I mean I think I like VinnieJones. I think he's funny.
I think he you know, he's he's always
a great part of the movie seasonand said that he's out there.
But you know again he's older, right?

(59:54):
Like, you know, this 20 years latermaking this maybe maybe it is
like and I didn't have a good timemaking that last one.
So I don't want to do another one.
So yeah, it seems likeit seems like it's pretty clear
that they are trying to bring in
the Fox X-Men universe into one movie
because we really haven't seen a whole lotof cameo news and rumors for anything

(01:00:20):
like MCU related, you know, kind ofoutside of like the TVA explicitly,
which we're not even even seeingany familiar characters from Loki.
We're just seeing theinstitution of the TVA. So
I think that's a good idea.
And I you've brought it up before that,like maybe it's Deadpool
kills the X-Men, Fox Universeor something like that.

(01:00:43):
Yeah, that seems poetic.
Yeah.
And like,they have like the 20th century sign.
They're right in the commercial,right in the
the Void land or whatever and everythingelse.
So, you know, it's, it's supposed to bea send off at the end of the day,
whether he kills them or they justdon't make it supposed to be a send off.
So sad that everyone can come backbut I think that leaves some surprises

(01:01:04):
for usstill along the way with without that
Star Wars, this isn't over.
In a group chat earlierthis week from Jason,
we talked about the showand he's very excited.
We had a conversationabout this and I'm going to
poison this.
The question for you here,
because we had our first hottoys like Balan skull from Ahsoka
and obviously a standoutcharacter in Asoka, right?

(01:01:27):
Like if you were to like,you know, talk about the character,
like, yeah, I remember Ray Stevenscharacter in in this race, even Stevenson
I don't remember. I have to look this up.
But he did it.
He did a great job,obviously, right? Like,
you know, his light saberlike you mentioned, you always remember
when he blasted that little little orbwith his light saber

(01:01:48):
kind of thing, like he did a great.
So we got a cool, hot toys here.
yeah, I'mpretty sure Jason's going to get it.
He's got some cool actions, cool poses.
The question was that was posed to usis if they recast him
in season two,do you buy the second hot toy
or what?
What prompts you to buy the second?

(01:02:10):
Hart toy? Yeah. Swappable Head. Yeah.
So you don't youthey don't even make another figure.
They just sell a new padthat you can swap out.
I mean, yeah, I mean if,if this, if this topic in the podcast
is just to like revisitthe character you know, from Asoka,
I mean really the only thingthat stood out to me as extra special

(01:02:31):
and that show was his character.
But the question I have ishow big and thick
does a beard have to be on a hot toyor a sideshow collectible
before you use
like kind of like fake,like strands of hair, right?
Because there are a few

(01:02:51):
there are a few, like hot toysor like high end figures
that I've seen in the past
where they're kind of using like,like fake flowy hair, like something
you can actually touch and comb,if you will.
Just curiousif they've ever done that with beards.
I don't think I don't.
Beard was so well crafted.
I don't think hot toys is that I think that's maybe more of the higher end ones the

(01:03:14):
sideshow collectibles rather than the hottoys.
Same same thing.
This is more of the you know, theI guess the the smaller ones.
So possibly they could use that.
back to the to the answerthe question I posed to you
since since you don't have one.
We did discuss that
if we were to buy a second one simplybecause Stevenson's great character is,

(01:03:35):
it would have to be a very drastic costumechange in person to buy the second one.
because obviously if they just,
if they made a swappablehead, that's not really worth it.
And at the end of the day.
But yeah, if you, if
what you say, if you click through hereon hot toys collectible,
if you scroll down on the Instagramyou get to see all the other toys.

(01:03:55):
They have some one piece ones,which it would be interesting to see.
stretchy, goofy, right?
You know, there's Wanda Gore,
Evil Spider-Man and stuff like that.
So toys are just coming in hot.
They're they're they're always great.
And I sent you overthe shot of Scarlet Witch

(01:04:18):
that has even featuredin the detail as wall hair.
So what I'm saying is,
I want to see that as a beard somewhere,like I want a bearded character.
So if you know of any
if anybody knows of any like like I say,like a Gandalf out there or something
where they're usinglike woolen hair for his beard,
I don't want it,but I just think it'd be cool to see.

(01:04:39):
Yeah, Yeah. Okay.
The Barbie's for boys, you know,shape his beard however you want to be.
To comb his little beard. That's right.
I mean, I know you don't
have one, Mike, but you got to take careof these things as a beard over there.
Their daily maintenance along the way,
too, to wrap up Star Wars real fast.

(01:05:00):
The Kenobi show,I think it's officially called Obi-Wan
Kenobi, is getting a Steelbookrelease well, on April 30th.
But this confirmed also,it says get the entire series on this,
confirming that what Lucasfilm has alwayssaid, that this was a one off show.
People like we want a sequel.
We want to see. Well, of course,we all love to see.
Ewan McGregor returns Obi-Wan Kenobi,

(01:05:21):
but they've always said that this was aone off show and this
verbiage doesn't changethat They could do a second series,
but like has confirmed that,
hey, we are not essentially workingon the second one here along the way.
I mean, that doesn't fully rule outmy kind of fan wish of having Ewan
McGregor pop up just very briefly inlike and or season two.

(01:05:44):
yeah, absolutely. Yeah.
Yeah.
Because season two, like,
they're supposed to be like timejumps like every couple
episodes or something until you're caughtup to the Rogue One film.
So if he was just in like onelike special episode or something,
that would just be, Ooh,that'd be so cool.
Yeah. No, I think that, yeah.
And they kind ofset him up to do a journey
so they can literally put them anywherethey want it to.

(01:06:06):
Before this does reinforce thethat that fan at it
that's out there where it took
the whole series and boil it downto like a feature film runtime.
I've yet to watch it even though Chrisyou have supplied it to me.
Yes, I do want to watch itat some point in time, but it's hard.
It's hard to justify watching likean experiment when there's a thousand.
I did. I did watch.

(01:06:27):
When Topher Grace edited,I believe it was Spider-Man three down
to two, where it was supposed to be like ahis edit of it was actually pretty good.
It was like an hour and a half, actually.Pretty good.
Spider-Man three Edit So
sometimes those things come outpretty well at the end of the day.
But on the flip side, this is the oneI think you would probably be interested
in making this andor

(01:06:47):
season one releasing the physical 4KBlu ray Steelbook on April 30th as well.
Because ever use the discs? No.
But would it look cool on a shelf.
Possible and or is againone of those shows that again
we we admit wewe channel over it for years
and then we were like damn is a good shownow we can't wait for season two.

(01:07:08):
So it's just one of things like, do you dowe make up for it by giving them
some money?
Like, Yes,
and or take our money, make more stufflike this, like confirming to Disney.
Like we're saying.
Take our money because we want you to seewhere the good stuff is kind of deal
because, you know, on streaming,of course, they see the numbers,
they see all that fun stuff.
But that doesn't mean, you know, that it's

(01:07:31):
numbers can be conflated
any way you want them to,as we talked about earlier in the show.
But I don't think I'm buyingthe Star Wars stuff.
I don't even know if I have it.
I don't know if I have rise of Skywalkereven in my
my set of Star Wars movies alone. So,
but Andor would be the oneI would probably lean into if I did that.

(01:07:52):
Like it like, imagine like an Andorcomplete series slash Rogue
One book together.
Like all of those in one collectionwould be pretty sweet, so.
That would be a fun little funlittle collection.
Well, like,if I'm starting to craft my future
Star Warswatch for for my child down the road.
Yeah.
Like, hey,

(01:08:13):
I think our original trilogy and like,if they want to see some fancier effects,
you know, we throw in, we throw in Andoronce they hit the hit the right age,
see their characters that they ingratiatedwith explode on a planet.
Yeah,
but yeah, I mean that is like,that is a solid pocket of Star Wars.
But don't tell. Them Rogue. One.

(01:08:33):
Don't tell them about Rogue one.
Like let them,let them let them get destroyed
at the end of that movieafter they watch the journey to get there.
So worried their sacrifice in vain.
That's right.
You got to see all all the waythrough there. So.
Absolutely.So that's that's coming out next week.
Our preorders start this week as well.
Lastly, this news is not for you.I share this with you.
You didn't take well to it.So this news is not for you.

(01:08:54):
This is for everyone else.
My Avatar, The Last Airbender, Netflix.
The series has been renewed for seasontwo and three
to tell the books of Earth and Fire.
It is running number one on the streamingcharts,
I think since it debutedfor a few weeks still,
you know,
obviously didn't convert to a lover.
And even though I'm not verynow out there, Mike, you,

(01:09:16):
you've got something to say
because obviously
you're a fan of the original the swordmeat live up to your expectations.
But for the peoplewho are experiencing this
for the first time,we're having a good time.
I'm not here to tell you, you know,you can't have a good time.
I'm happy.
Netflix actually renewed confirmedtwo more seasons rather than saying
we're going to do one moreand then possibly canceling
before they even tell the whole story.

(01:09:37):
At least they're giving the creatorsenough time to tell the story.
The show like the whole thing.
Yeah, they are very luckyin a sense of this particular story.
And Avatar has a very definitive endingand the original
animated series was told in three seasons.
So you can tell an entire narrative.
And then Netflix will finally feels likefor the first time in a long time,

(01:10:00):
have one standalone storythat can live on its platform, right.
You know something that peoplethey can go back to and not worry
about this, It's canceled.
And if they should commit any time to it.
This gives me also somesome stranger Things vibes
because that's supposed to bethe first show that they the original show
they the only thing and I knowAvatar is an adaptation show but like

(01:10:24):
how badly havethe actors aged up from Stranger
Things Mike From when it started towhat the final season's going to be?
Right?
It's been like ten years or something.
Those kids are just soso to keep the avatar
people about the same age,let's just go ahead and film two and three
you know, in a row here or as closeas we can to keep the actors the same age.

(01:10:45):
Yeah.
And also,they're lucky that, you know, it's
with it's within three seasonsthat they don't have to worry
about contract renegotiationsin the middle of this.
I'm sure season two and seasonthree might not necessarily
be filmed in conjunction,but I'm sure close is going to be thinking
about, you know,completing the whole story when they're,
you know, maybe developing like costumesand sets and locations for the location.

(01:11:08):
Scout is like,
this will be good for, you know, seasonthree when we go here or whatever.
Yeah.Even when they're working on season two.
I mean, after we talked about you afterwe talked about the first three episodes
of the live action series on the showa couple of weeks ago,
you know, just out of curiosity, you know,since it's been so long, you know,

(01:11:29):
I want to go back and rewatch thethe first episode of the
The Last Airbender,you know, animated, which
to Netflix's credit, is on Netflix,didn't have to hunt it down anywhere else.
I didn't have to, like, subscribe to like,you know, Paramount
Plus or whatever to go watch thethe original version of Avatar.
So really that's a rarity in the worldtoday.

(01:11:50):
Yeah, they're centralizing over therewith Avatar and it's just like,
I mean, I
have strong nostalgia for,the animated series,
but the characterizations,the storytelling,
everything is so much tighter and cleanerand more enjoyable.
Like,I just no joy out of those three episodes.

(01:12:11):
I mean, like Sokka is like,barely funny in the live action one.
And I've seen some like social media,Netflix like clips
where they put a lot of Serkislike one liners or whatever
from the live action into like a packageand I watched it.
I was like,
None of these even come closeto being as funny as he is in the cartoon.

(01:12:32):
So it's just like,I don't get any joy watching it.
So we tried to compare this a lotto the one piece review
and we said, you know,we can't be the best critics
because we never really watched one piece,but we enjoyed it.
So I suppose there's versions of uslike that out there.
We never watched the animated versionand can look at this as its own

(01:12:52):
standalone thing, but I am unfortunatelypoisoned by the original.
That is just so good critics.
Fans love it so much
that like over a decade later, millionsupon,
millions of dollars can be dumped into it,should be turned into live action.
And that's how good it is.
So unfortunately,the magic trick didn't work on me.

(01:13:14):
You told me that you think with more time
maybe they can learn, get.
Get the feed.
Well, listen to the feedback.
Right. Like, I don't think the scripts areset in stone first.
I don't think Netflixthat foresight to be like, Hey,
let's go ahead and go aheadand get this work on the other ones.
I don't think they have that.
So I think they'll be able to work on thata little bit more with that feedback.

(01:13:36):
Now I will say there isI do have curiosity
here of how some thingsare going to translate to live action.
I would like to tune in for seasonto just an episode to see
how they're going to executetop character.
Toph is one of the most important partsof the Avatar universe.
Even her legacywhen it comes into legend of Korra
and we haven'teven seen that character yet,

(01:13:58):
you know, I'd love to see how like the
the The Big Earth Kingdomlooks in season to passing.
So yeah. There is no war in boxing.
So I talked about the dothat has the laser beam in his forehead.
There's things that I'm curiousto see how it translates
are they going to do that?

(01:14:19):
You know,the third season has an iconic episode
of where the charactersgo to see a play about themselves
and kind of see how they're characterizedby the Fire Nation.
I'd love to kind of seemaybe if they end up doing that.
And then also the final episode,the season's thing, where you know, when,
you know, Ang is, you know,
doing his final battle, that might bekind of fun to see how it translates.

(01:14:42):
But like Ithere's no way I'm committing to
completing the whole series, butI will dip in just to see how things look.
Then I'm going to dip right back out.
Well, you're already paying forNetflix, so it's free. That's
you know
that that's like at least five ticketsin the movie theater if he were.
Yeah. yeah.
Yeah, exactly. It's already doing that.

(01:15:03):
Yeah. I was like,you know, being being reviewed for this.
I've listened to some other people,you know, of our age and they were,
you know, they were more like youwho grew up on a watch.
You like their sound like,
you know, the show's just as ithave they kind of Russia they they
they they tell youthey don't show you a lot of things
along the way which we talked about.
But one of them was like he was watching
and this kid walkedin, in the middle of like season one.

(01:15:24):
And he's like,what's that seems like, well.
TAVERNISE Like kind of what she's like,Yeah, sure.
And like,the kids was like, glued to the show.
So if this is like,you know, not not seeing like this is
they can like the animated one too,but like kids are going to like this.
Like if this is their first,
you know, interaction with Avatar,they don't know better,
but then they'll see this and thensee something even better later, Right.

(01:15:46):
If they get to the animation second. So
it's still think it
can be a good first dose,if you will, of Avatar.
If you're if you're out of it, it'snot the worst thing in the world.
It's not Madame Web of of adaptations.
This isn't dragonball evolutioneven of anime adaptations.
So I think there are thingsthat people can enjoy or at least

(01:16:06):
not understand, who like youngerpeople, youth who are getting into it.
That's that's fine.
So I'm not as down on as you are.
I just don't as don't care enough. Right.
I don't have those
member berries or feels for it
along the way But, but that's fine.
That is, that's,that's the show for this week.
Mike. We made it.
We done it.
We, we've, we've used our extraor less than an hour

(01:16:28):
to still find a wayto put a show in to today.
And and that's whyI appreciate it's about you.
But if people will
know what you're up to, what you're doing,where can they find the buddy?
Yeah, they can find my web.
That life rewardsrisk and pickled comics dot com.
Chris, people want to catch up with you.Where can they find you?
Find me on Instagram Fall down 87field day in seven or video game

(01:16:49):
systems of the same name.
They don't have user profiles for Atari.
Mike I can'tI can't get my my online Atari go on.
It's having never played it.
I know the people that knowabout the show, what we're doing,
we can tune in every week or subscribe.
We're going to get out of that.
You know, head onover to any of our social media pages.

(01:17:12):
Superhero Slate podcast on Instagram.
Superhero Slate.
I think on the other platformsthat we have, Chris,
have been putting together these awesomekind of like clips of our show.
So if there is a particular partand any episode that you liked,
you know, there's a good chance that Chrishas probably clipped the best parts.
So if you really like the showand you really want to share it

(01:17:33):
with people and, you know,sending an entire hour of audio to a
to somebody that's never heard of usbefore might be a little intimidating.
I think these clips are really,really great way for people to understand
the show that we've been doing now for 465plus episodes for.
In 65 news episodes.
Those include review episodes.
Yeah. Exactly.
So that would be great.

(01:17:55):
Chris would love to see I mean,
he's he's sent me the screenshots of theanalytics all the time and
it really gets us jazz.
So we haven't plugged the social channelsin a while
because we just really weren'tsure what we wanted to do with them.
Like it kind of seemed pointlessjust to like, do like,
just like a post for like, new episode up,you know?

(01:18:16):
Yeah, very exciting.
Yeah, we have been working really hard.
We found that we found a way to,to automate a lot of that
and then add some flourishes in there.
So that's helped our workflowa little bit better.
I mean, people talk aboutAI is helping me through and without it
I would not be able to do all the workI do now that it's taking over.
What I'm doing is just helping meget there faster.
But yeah, absolutely.

(01:18:36):
If you guys get likeor share to those things to somebody
because we are, I am trying my hardest
to get that out therebecause I think we do.
Mike You know, we've done this for years.
It's been fun and I hope more people tunein, but go on, continue.
There's if there's ever a
if there's ever a segment of an episodethat you found particularly crazy
where either we're being dumbor funny or insightful, let us know.

(01:19:00):
And that will just Chris will zeroin on it and make a fun clip of it.
And we'll,we'll just laugh all the way together
into the sunset.
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We love hearing from you. Reach out.
Let us knowwhat you're loving about the show.
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