September 15, 2022 • 37 mins
This month on the Baroness Podcast, we welcome our Women’s Advisory Group Committee members back on campus. Lisa Steinberg, Fashion Design and Merchandising Program Coordinator, and Michelle Martin, Workforce Development Institute Senior Analyst, discuss the importance of women, connectivity, support, embracing technology, and what inspires them. Visit our DEI: WAG website at rcbc.edu/diversity. From Dr. Ruocco and Dr. Mailhiot, thank you to all our committee members for supporting women on campus and in our community.
Mark as Played
Transcript
Episode Transcript
Available transcripts are automatically generated. Complete accuracy is not guaranteed.
Unknown (00:00):
Welcome to Rowan College of Burlington counties
Barron s Podcast. I'm Dr. BrookeMyatt program chair and
assistant professor of ourentertainment technologies
department. I'm a co chair ofthe Women's Advocacy Group a
subcommittee of the President'sAdvisory Council on diversity,
equity and inclusion. Thismonthly series highlights women
(00:21):
in leadership while encouraginglisteners to build their skills,
connect with the community andvisualize the opportunities
available to women in variousprofessions. Tune in for a
female perspective on theBurlington County community. We
are here to listen to theseamazing women. If you want to
hear from women who lead andinspire this podcast is for you.
(00:45):
Welcome to our September episodeof The Baroness podcast. I am so
excited to have two colleagueshere with me today. I have
Michel Martin, our seniorresearch analyst from Workforce
Development Institute. WelcomeMichelle.
Thanks for having me, Brooke,
of course. And I also have cocreative lady, Lisa Steinberg,
who is our program coordinatorof the fashion design and
(01:07):
fashion product merchandisingdepartment. Welcome,
thank you so much for invitingme into this group. Of course, I
was, you know, putting ondifferent accessories and
checking out my earrings andeverything for today because I
knew you would be styling, I hadto be styling. But even though
we're just on a podcast, I feltlike I needed to step it up for
(01:27):
you.
Well, I appreciate it.
Because she's always sort ofstyle like walking around,
you're like she must teachfashion or something creative,
which I love. I stand out alittle bit. And we love you for
that. So totally, but it's beenkind of a crazy summer, we are
back here at rcbc. We are inperson, I love seeing the campus
(01:51):
full of life with the studentsback for fall semester. And
there's a lot of programs, a lotof events happening. And I know
Michelle, you are actually doingso much programming over at
workforce development. Why don'tyou tell us what you do IT
workforce development, and thenwe'll talk about some of the
upcoming events you're doing
sounds great. Well, what I do isI'm within business engagement.
(02:14):
And we work with our businesspartners, our community
partners, as well as you know,the students, whether they're
adult returning learners or highschool students, and we, you
know, stand up these programs,what I essentially do is, do the
research, do the background tosee what the industry trends
are, see what types of jobskills that our students need.
(02:37):
And then we try to put some newprogramming together, something
that would interest people anddevelop them. And perhaps that's
something that, you know, longterm might become a credit
bearing program. But, you know,we're the beta people. So what
we provide is, you know,opportunities for advisory
boards and meetings where we cancollaborate with other people
(03:00):
within the community.
And I know Lisa, you do so manycool program, such great,
awesome programming with thefashion design students. And you
just came off of an amazingspring semester with a amazing
fashion show. Why don't you talka little bit about your program,
um, specifically, maybe coursesthat you have, I know you have
(03:22):
some really new excitingcourses, so everybody can know
what our program has to offerhere at our CDC.
So Brooke, yeah, we come off thespring, and we do our fashion
show, and we are back at it.area. So fall just starts right
there. And we're already talkingfashion show, we've got the
dates and everything picked up.What's so exciting about coming
(03:45):
back to fall semester is the newfaces. And we show them our
fashion show video that is donethat we do over the summer. And
they are so excited just to seethat and know that they're going
to be participating in it.
And what I love about both ofyou is how we all kind of came
(04:07):
together of you know, both ofyou do this supporting our
students supporting thecommunity. And how I met
everyone was really my my firstinitial meeting was with
Michelle and I feel Michelle,like you've been a part of
Burlington County, like in somany different facets. And I
love that you're now here atrcbc. But I first met Michelle
over at the Burlington CountyLibrary in West Hampton. And I
(04:32):
met her actually I taught alifelong learning class, which
is kind of a similar situationof reaching out to the community
like WTI and it was an adultcourse. And every Saturday
morning, I would teach the filmsof Alfred Hitchcock and we got
some great people coming I mean,I had like 30 to 40 people
coming every Saturday and it wasreally amazing and I loved it
(04:54):
and then you know, Michelle justcame up and she's like, you
know, would you be interested inlike programming a A filmmaking
conference of some sort. And Iwas like, Sure, and, and what
was really interesting is youhave been doing this creative
programming thinking thesereally awesome ideas. You know,
same thing with Lisa. And that'skind of how you and Lisa, kind
(05:16):
of team Josh. So tell me aboutthat. And, and how we all came
to be the rcbc family that weare today.
Right? Well, I think what'sreally greatest with Lisa was
Makers Faire, which was again atthe county library. And it was a
great opportunity to, to showyoung children how to make
things. And, you know, at leasthis team from from from rcbc was
(05:41):
there to to show how you makestuff, you know, which was
really cool, right?
It is. And it's interesting,because Brooke, you said how you
had met Michelle, at thelibrary, I actually met her
there when I first started. Andthey had all the fashion
magazines, and they had bigshowcase area for display. Love
it. And I needed to find out howI can work there and get the
(06:06):
fashion arisings as well. Andthat's actually how Michelle and
I met. And then later becauseshe also knew that I did a lot
of workshops. At the time in thesummer, we used to do ad rcbc
Summer Fashion camps, love a lotof the employees that work here
would bring their kids to it.And then she approached me about
(06:28):
the Makers Faire and what I beinterested in, you know, helping
out participating show, youknow, that's my favorite thing.
Yeah, especially young kids whoare interested in fashion.
I think, I think what's soexciting about what we all do,
and how we all collaborated, itwas like, We can do it, you
know, we can get together and wecan come up with an A concept.
(06:50):
And then we can see it tofruition. I think that's a
really valuable thing that I'veseen as like with the
masterclass that you did in thefilmmaking and, and, you know,
the fashion work that you'vedone, and just, you know, that
collaboration, and I thinkthat's probably what I enjoy the
most.
In fact, I wanted to mention,when you talk about workshops,
(07:12):
you know, with workforce, wehave two new workshops, this
fall that we develop throughworkforce. Also one is a fashion
during class for high schoolstudents. And one is the sewing
course for high school students,and it's gonna be on campus. I'm
so excited. So we haven't donethis in three years. Yeah,
great. So just when you weretalking about the workshops, I'm
(07:35):
like, okay, aside from showingthe program, and, and doing
everything else that you'reteaching, and do, both of you
workshops are so much fun forme, because that's the high
school students, it's, it'seasier, they're so eager to be a
fashion designer. Yeah,
they love it. And, you know,we're all talking about
supporting our community and theresources. And I just kind of
(07:57):
want to go back to the library,because one of the things that
we at the Women's Resource Grouphave is, we have some really
amazing library resources. Soduring Women's History Month, we
put out a list of films thatwere directed by women that were
edited by women, I helpedcollaborate on that. We put
together a book, you know,monthly book club and books,
(08:20):
supporting kind of women. And Ijust think the two of you, you
know, adding to our committeehas just been really amazing.
And I wanted to kind of ask bothof you, why do you think it's so
important at rcbc to have awomen's advocacy group?
(08:41):
So, Michelle, I know you looklike you're about to chat. And
I'm like, I'm grabbing. No, goahead. My whole career, I've
worked with a lot of women. Andyou know, I was, at one time I
was young. And I worked with alot of women who were in the
fashion industry. And theyconnected me. They helped me
(09:02):
network, I didn't really knowabout networking, and pretty shy
person, even though I like totalk. And they taught me that.
And when I came to the school toteach, you're, you're kind of
isolated, and there's differentprograms and they stay isolated.
So you know, having thisopportunity, you know, to join,
(09:23):
it was such a great thing,because I love to connect, and I
love to conceptualize and comeup with ideas. And I think
that's what's so exciting wasthat I'm meeting these amazing
women who work at the collegethat I really don't get to speak
to, because we're in a littleworld. Yeah, and and it's like,
(09:44):
okay, what can we do that'srelated to women? And I think
because in the past, women werejust not at the spotlight or not
as much I know in my career andin the 80s isn't even the 90s
kind of like, you know, kind oftaking that little bit of that
(10:04):
backseat. And I think thatthere's so much to be celebrated
to talk about so many thingsthat women did in the past that
were not spotlighted.
I think I agree with you. Yeah,I think that get this particular
group has really taken off inthe, in the spring, you know,
(10:25):
with Brooke and Tiffany at thehelm. I really appreciate what
they've been doing with all ofthe events, like, like Brooke
said, we had that wonderfulWomen's History Month, you know,
resources for for all of us. Andalso, you know, the, I'm really
big into women's health. And youknow, the wearing of the red in
(10:48):
February for Women's HeartHealth Month, we did a walk and
you know, so it was a way oftrying to develop people,
whether they're men or women tocome together on the campus, you
know, for the betterment of allof us, really. And I love this
podcast, I think this is great,the women you've had on so far,
(11:09):
they've been tremendous. I'velistened to every single
podcast, so well done.
Thank you. I appreciate that.And, you know, going back to
what Lisa said, you know, thereis something about women like
this connectivity on a differentlevel. I don't even know how to
explain it. Does anybody knowhow to explain it? Like we just,
we there's like, there's like abond, there's a connectivity,
(11:30):
there's like this? I don't know,it's like this hidden kind of
thing? Well,
you know, when you say that,sometimes people are
competitive, and they keep it tothemselves. And I never do. My
husband always says to me, Lisa,you give all the secrets away.
And you do that, especially as aeducator, you've given
everything to them everything.So it's kind of, you know, I
(11:54):
mean, I started teaching again,at Pratt Institute, when I was
25 years old, they called meback. And I was so excited. I
was freelancing at the time, andI was working independently in
New York. And for me to givethat back. And I think that,
that's, that's the connection,it's like, I have something that
(12:16):
I think is kind of cool. And Iwant to share it with you. And
even just Brooke, we were justhaving a little conversation,
I'm like, tell me more aboutyour career. I love it. I wish I
did that as a chance to kind oflive by caring, like,
shall we support each other,like we support we support in
the downtimes. And the HighTimes, like, I feel there's just
(12:38):
like this vibe, that we as womenas this force that, you know,
not a lot of people see, we justhave this connection, and I
absolutely love it. And, youknow, you were talking about
like back in the 80s and 90s,where women weren't a force in
your industry and for and thesame thing for my industry. It's
very a male dominated industry,the entertainment industry for a
(13:00):
very long time. And I love thatI'm part of this group to be
able to support and, you know,do all the different things
regarding all these amazing, youknow, whether it's red dress,
whether it's women history, Mom,you know, we're going to be
doing something for BreastCancer Awareness Month. And just
being that, like light oncampus, I think is a really
(13:24):
important thing.
Yeah, it's a very nurturingenvironment, I think, you know,
within the women at rcbc. And Ithink we allow ourselves some
space and say, Yes, so this is,give it a try, you know, and
that's why I think I can do whatI can do. And, and I value that
(13:45):
very much.
It also spills out to yourstudents. I find everything that
I do every single day of mylife, anything new, I bring it
into the classroom, and shareit. And I think that by, you
know, us as colleagues, sharingit, and then sharing it with
your students. It's gonnaelevate their level of education
(14:09):
and just their level of what toexpect when they go out in the
industry that they're gonna havemore. Right there, they will be
in that spot.
I totally agree. And I thinkprobably Michelle, you even see
it where you are that it's, youknow, working at rcbc we have
students of all ages, and alldiverse backgrounds in the
(14:32):
entire community. And what Ilove about you is, you know,
even though you say okay, Lisais the fashion designer, and
you're thinking creative,whatever, and you're probably in
this office that's, you know,bland walls and rice kind of
stuff. But you have such themind of creating these unique,
you know, classes and the uniqueprograms and really getting the
(14:55):
community involvement. Like howwhere did this come? from like,
Have you Have you always hadthis? I mean, even back when the
library had all these ideas,you're like, let's do this with
this. It was called pixels inmotion by the way, I loved our
little filmmakers masterclass,we had we had an entertainment
attorney come in we did. It wasso cool. Screenwriter, I mean,
(15:17):
it was so cool and all theprogramming and that if anyone
listening has not been to themain branch of the Burlington
County Library System, it is amazing. Just from the children's
programming to the communityprogramming to the amphitheater
outside it's it's it's an it'san amazing place, and Burlington
(15:39):
County and so many free andaccessible programs. Oh,
absolutely. People just don'trealize but But what's also
amazing is our CBC has theseamazing programs that you've
kind of morphed over to thecollege. So tell us where do you
get that background of trying tofigure all these? I mean, these
cool things? I mean, I just, Iwouldn't have the mindset for
this,
(15:59):
I think, well, I just think Myhistory is is somewhat different
from both of yours. I wasn't in,I was in industry, and I was,
you know, I was in weirdbusinesses, like forklifts and
things like that, you know,which, you know, doesn't lend
itself to a lot of creativity,and a document destruction,
(16:19):
really oddball things. But, butwhat interested me was, you
know, was that sales and themarketing aspect of it, and how
a business developed and grew.And so that always intrigued me.
And so to do that, you have tobe very creative. And you have
to be easily able to pivot veryquickly. You know, as you both
(16:41):
know, you have to do it in theclassroom, you have to do it
with with what you do with withdesign or film. So all of those
elements, and you haven't seenmy office, it's not planned for.
So I just I just Yeah, okay.Yeah. So so that, that, you
know, that that that sparks mycreativity. So, yeah, I love
(17:03):
doing things like that. I lovethat, again, the collaboration,
the interaction, it's likeanything could happen. And let's
let it happen. When I was in theacademic library, and Pemberton
went, when we had that location,we did lots of open mic nights.
And, oh, we had complete drumsets there. It was fun. So if
(17:25):
you can get away with it
well, from forklift and openmic, that's certainly a big
spectrum. But I love it. And youknow, just how you said you kind
of have to be kind of moving andgrooving with the times and
changing it up. You know, Lisa,with all this social
connectivity of online contentwith fashion, you have also
(17:46):
taken the program and haveimplemented some really new
interesting courses. Could youtell talk to us about that?
Yeah, well, I feel like it'sforever moving it nowadays. It
never stays still.
I mean, cuz the fashion does,the
fashion industry moves reallyquickly. The technology is
moving really quickly. So I'malways what's next. And I've got
(18:09):
some more, which I can't talkabout yet. But I feel like it
was like my little baby, addinga Photoshop class. So Photoshop
for fashion, was the big thing.And I wrote the course, with one
of our instructors. She taughtit because she was really good
in graphic design. And she hadthe technology. And I wrote it
(18:31):
because I didn't know anythingabout it. And I wanted to learn
it. So just being you know, wehad already had the illustrator
program, you know, technology,fashion technology. But this was
something that was very near anddear to me, because I needed to
learn. And I wanted everyone toknow it as well. So when I wrote
the course, we wrote it asexperimental. And I took the
(18:54):
course also, in, you know, theinstructor, she taught me
everything, I knew nothing atall. And we would literally chat
about what should be theprojects related to it. And from
there, I was able to write thecourse and put it into the
curriculum. And it's running forthe first time, this fall on
Monday nights. At Mount Holly,we do have a different
(19:18):
instructor, that instructor wenton to doing a full time job and
we're very excited for her. Andwe have this wonderful new
instructor who actually tookclasses at rcbc wonder many
years ago and had reached out tome to take more classes after
she had her children. And weactually got her in and work
(19:38):
with her and she's teaching theclass. This is such an exciting
class, we run it everything thestudents do goes onto social
media on Instagram, so they'retrending, etc, etc. And I it's
such an important class becauseeverybody in the fashion
industry will need to use thisand it's a combination Enough
(20:00):
whether you're designing ortrending, or telling story, I
would call them visual visualstories. Actually, this is the
best media to work with rightnow. Anyway.
Yeah. And I love that, you know,you said something about, like,
you know, this is what they needto do are always keeping it
(20:21):
fresh or always motivating. Andso what keeps both of you ladies
fresh? What inspires you is? Isit? Is it a certain person? Is
it? Is it you know, getting upevery day? Do you do something
every day? Like what inspiresyou? I don't know, like, I threw
a big question. You're allyou're all looking at me like,
Oh my God. But what inspires youto keep fresh and keep motivated
(20:46):
and keep going so
to me every single day, so I'm aball of energy.
We didn't know that. Michelle, Ididn't have
a price. So if I don't havesomething, I'm like, Okay, I'm
gonna read a book, at least I'mgonna be interested in history.
(21:08):
I oversee everything inanything. I mean, I'm on
Instagram. Now I have anInstagram account for my fashion
illustrations. And I joined thisorganization. And so I'm always
looking at illustrators that Ilike, and artists and I
correspond with people who'velived in Amsterdam, and England.
And yeah, we like each other. Wewrite stories to each other. So
(21:30):
the Connect connections arereally far out now from that,
which is fantastic. I'm inspiredby anything. And I just want to
tell this very short story. WhenI first started teaching at
Pratt, we didn't have syllabi.We didn't even barely have
curriculum, you kind of went in,it was a drawing class, and you
just did what you thing. And Iwas taking on 18th Street in New
(21:56):
York, I was taking this moderndance class, and I knew nothing
about it, but I loved it. And Idecided I was going to do it.
And I had an amazing teacher whoactually danced with Graham,
when Martha Graham Yep. And shewas so inspiring. That anything
we did with our bodies in ourmovement, I would be on the
(22:18):
subway heading to my class andproud the next day. And I would
suddenly come up with a wholeconcept and idea, I can't even
tell you what it is now, butjust based off of that of what
she taught us. So I think it'salways, for me, my inspiration
comes from anything and everyonearound me that's got something
(22:39):
to say.
Sure. I totally understand,Michelle.
Well, I'm going to take adifferent tack. That's okay. Oh,
good. I find that I love a lotof stimuli as well, you know,
and I read extensively differenttypes of books. And but I think
(23:00):
I like to go inward. Everymorning, I've a couple of years
ago, I started meditating daily.And I find that has had a
profound effect on me, and how Igo through each and every day,
I'm much more aware and present.So I find that tremendously
(23:22):
valuable to have that quiet timein the morning, and maybe
journal afterwards. Not everyday, but for sure. Meditate if I
don't, I feel like I didn'tbrush my teeth. It's kind of
like that.
Sure. Now, the journaling. Whatdo you what do you do you look
back, like, ever or do you? Whatdo you do with the journal with
a journal interested?
(23:42):
The journaling is just kind of afree flow, if you've ever heard,
yeah. Julie Cameron, you know,yeah, the artists way. And
that's just, you know, greatmorning page. Yeah, I love it.
Yeah. So like mourning pages,and, you know, where you just
keep writing freehand. And youjust it just, you can see the
evolution. So I tried to dothat. And then sometimes I might
(24:05):
be stuck on something and I wantto, you know, kind of noodle
around with it. But But eitherway, it works for me.
I have that aha like little booknext to my bed with my
nightstand. So like, I used tobe ultra creative. Like in
college, it'd be like two threein the morning, I'd still be
like editing videos becauselike, that's when I felt like I
(24:25):
was the most creative. I was solike, never went to bed. I was
always like, on my Mac, oldschool Mac was like, you know,
75 pounds or whatever. But likein the middle that I if I have
an idea, like I'll just havethis epiphany and like, I'll
wake up and just write and it'slike my dream or my aha book. I
say so just to tell I do thatall the time now. So that's my
(24:47):
that's my journaling. Butbecause I don't get up that
early. I'll try but you know,it's tough, but yeah,
definitely. And I love thatinspiration. What about you
know, I love After that you saidabout Instagram, and I know, you
share a lot of stuff on socialmedia for a lot of the
programming. How do you feellike that's connected you to the
(25:09):
community? Or your yourcommunity of your networking
community? Oh, that's huge.Yeah.
Everyone's on it. And, you know,young people, yeah. Lm a builder
now. They're all on it. So, youknow, a couple of years ago for
me to just eat, I don'tunderstand it hasn't worked. And
(25:30):
I'm going back even like, eightyears ago, you know, with
students saying to me, I'll helpyou, I'll get you. And not so
confusing. And finally, finally,it was like, okay, now's the
time. And about three years ago,just joining that, connecting
with the students on it. Also,they're curious, they want to
(25:51):
know what you're doing. Yeah.And,
like, you're a real person,you're not just the professor in
front of the room, it makes youreal. And I think being real
with your students is her ishuge. And current, I mean, I
love that you said you, youknow, you had this kind of wall
up that you're, you're like,maybe I didn't want to learn,
but then now you're like, I wantto learn show me, you know,
(26:12):
helped me and you know, we haveto stay fresh. And we have to
keep current and especially inour industries, and Michelle as
well. Technology is huge. Imean, it's ever changing, it's
ever and women in tech, we'vegot to bring that to the
forefront, you know.
And it's so interesting, becauseat the end of the day, it's
really the same thing. It's whatwe're doing right now. And same
(26:35):
thing, it's just a, it's just adifferent, different medium.
It's a different medium, adifferent format. And once you
learn it, even going when wefirst went to WebEx virtual, oh
my God, it was so scary. It waslike terrified, I literally
people would show me step bystep by step. And the next thing
I knew, I was like, a whiz atit. And then I laugh with my
(26:57):
students, because I had more funwith them than I thought I was
having face to face. We wereplaying Hollywood Squares,
because I saw them in a square,right? And then I would do like
little fun quiz things and holdpaper up for your answer. So
they could all see it, becausethey weren't talking. And it was
a whole new format ofcommunicating. And it was okay,
(27:20):
because we were laughing, eventhough we were laughing
separately in our own littlewindow in our own room. We were
laughing. And,
and I think it helps you it justhelps you you learn to write,
you know, because you can getstuck in in you know, I'm
comfortable with this, I'm notready for Tiktok yet, I'll tell
you,
(27:40):
Oh, come on, Michelle, we'regonna do some of those videos,
yeah, we'll get you on thefashion was where you click your
finger, and you're
gonna get to learn that stuff.
But, you know, it's interesting,Michelle, that, you know, we're
all talking here, you deal witha lot in workforce development,
(28:00):
you know, adult learners comingback after they've already have,
you know, a four year degree ora master's, or they want to
switch careers in the middle.And I think you know, you are,
you know, your office has tostay current, because you're
teaching these adult learnersthat want to come back, you
know, changing careers, having adifferent opportunity, getting
(28:22):
back into a different time, youknow, before, like, there was
email and things like that,share that experience of how
it's been working with those,
well, I think nurse working withWell, our adult learners are on
the spectrum of, you know, oftheir levels of, I guess, you
could say education, competence,whatever. So you might have
(28:44):
someone come in and say theywere working a job that was
like, for example, CNAs, I'lltake CNAs, for example, you
know, that they did things very,like hands on, right. And then
all of a sudden, with COVID,they had to use technology and
apps and things to do their workand put, you know, put their
(29:04):
reports in and things like that.Well, that was a real learning
curve, you know. And so it waslike a different way. And
sometimes people come in andlike, I've never, I haven't
written a resume in years. Idon't know what's important and
what's relevant. So we try togive them all that, you know,
because the workforce also, wekind of overlap with career
(29:26):
services, sure, and careerpreparation. And in that, you
know, people need to know how tointerview they need to know how
to, to put themselves out therekeywords, you know, in all those
searches, a
lot of the soft skills that Ifeel is lacking, and I actually
did my dissertation on thisthat, you know, student a lot of
people sometimes know the simpletechnology. It's that other
(29:49):
piece about communicating andhow to write properly and you
know, that they haven't done allthose things. So it's
interesting that it kind ofcrosses paths with the adult
learners and also the, you know,our younger learners that are
here. So it's a very, verypowerful thing. So what I wanted
(30:09):
to do is before we wrap up I dowant Lisa to share her Instagram
so we can follow you.
Sure I need some new I met 5000For me that's the last summer I
didn't post and they suddenlydropped. So now I'm back.
Well, let's share with some ofher followers, the Baroness
(30:30):
podcast because I have to say Iwant to get this podcast out
there. We have such theseamazing women of course,
obviously the two of you all ofour previous recordings and all
of our future recordings, we'rereally trying to connect with a
lot of, you know, listeners thatI think would be really
interested in this so Idefinitely want to say thank you
so much for coming on. What'syour what's your handle?
(30:53):
Oh, my handle my hash share?Yeah,
well, no, your handle for yourInstagram, my
Instagram is Lisa fashion art.Very simple. Okay, fashion art.
Yeah, you'll see it and I, I ama an author. So my book cover
illustrations is on my little, Idon't know, you know, the
technology guys. Yes.
(31:13):
But let me let me. Lisa is anauthor of the beginner's guide
to sketching the fashion figure.Very awesome.
That was an amazing journey. Imean, that was huge. That was
huge. It's, you know, when youhear, like, these actors are
like, it was five years in theUS. It really was like a five
(31:34):
year in the making, even thoughit took a year to make to just
write and draw. It was like,really, in prep work. From the
original editor that I met, allthe way until I got it
published, was about five years.Wow,
wow. But you know what, itspeaks volumes. And I've always
said this, that our CBC has suchpowerful talent, of the
(31:59):
backgrounds of the people thatthey hire hair is just so
amazing. Like, who would havethunk that, like you're an
author? I mean, amazing fromManhattan. I mean, holy smokes
all your years in the fashionindustry in New York, and
schooling and everything. Imean, such a powerhouse and
I have met, you know, when youleave New York, and closer to,
(32:23):
you know, Southern New Jersey,and I have met the most amazing
women in industry, and mystudents get so excited. I love
New York. I love New York, Ican't wait or I'm from it when
they say they're from it. Andit's like, Oh, my God, you know,
we're connected right away.Yeah. Sure. So I love it here
(32:47):
for that reason that I've notjust as just as exciting as it
was for me in New York for allthe years that I worked there.
I'm just as excited by meetingcreative people. People are
interesting. People want toshare their ideas. That's That's
enough. For me. That's whatkeeps me going. And Michelle,
how can we contact you? Throughyour email? How do people want
(33:10):
to reach out and connect withMichelle for workforce? Sure,
oh,
well, it's m j martin@rcbc.edu.And you can check out our
upcoming events at startupstars. Excellent, which is
rcbc.edu. Forward slash startupstars that's happening on
Wednesday evening for those whowant to be business owners and
(33:34):
creators.
That is such an awesome event.So every recording, what I do is
I write down a whole bunch ofwords that we talked about
throughout the our time here,and I act as a hashtag, I put a
hashtag in front of them. Andthen I'm going to ask each one
of you to share if you had apersonal hashtag, what would
(33:56):
your hashtag be? So I'm gonnaread some of the keywords that
came up today in our meeting,okay. Hashtag fresh, hashtag
stories. Hashtag what's next?Technology, library, creativity,
develop? Connection, nurture,partners, hashtag engagement,
(34:17):
community, fun, light, space,and pivot.
That's great.
All right. So if you had yourwhat's the hashtag that you that
you would live by or thatinspires you, or that is you.
I'm gonna say, embrace your age,because here we are talking
(34:42):
about young midlife even lateron, and you need to embrace it
all the time and take advantageof what's out there. Connect.
I love it. Michelle, how aboutyou
Well, I had an idea, but I justchanged it listening to you. I
(35:07):
think my hashtag is show up. Ithink that what you just said,
just adding to that is just, youknow, be present every single
day. And that goes back to whatI was saying earlier. Be aware,
be present, show up, and youwill reap the benefits and so
will the other people youconnect with. It's beautiful.
(35:28):
I love both of those. And I wantto share that our women's
advocacy group, you can check usout at rcbc.edu/diversity. And
then there is a link for the W AG. And I do want to thank all of
our committee members. They arejust a powerhouse. We're going
to be very excited. We'regearing up for a great year of
(35:50):
awesome events. So please comeback and check out the website
rcbc.edu/diversity Check out thebarrenness podcast on the pod
channel. You know, we still havelibrary resources up and
available from Women's HistoryMonth. So everyone listening can
go and experience those, youknow, and I just want to thank
(36:10):
both of you for joining ustoday. It's been an amazing,
amazing time speaking with you.And I want to thank all of our
listeners, you've been listeningto the rcbc Baroness podcast
which highlights women inleadership while encouraging
listeners to build their skills,connect with the community and
visualize the opportunitiesavailable to women in various
professions. For moreinformation about this podcast
(36:32):
or other podcasts available onthe rcbc Podcast Network, visit
rcbc.edu/podcast. And be sure tosubscribe to the rcbc bareness
podcast wherever you tune in fora female perspective into the
Burlington County community.Take care. Thanks,
you been listening to the rcbcbareness podcast, which
(36:52):
highlights women in leadershipwhile encouraging listeners to
build their skills, connect withthe community and visualize the
opportunities available to womenin various professions. For more
information about this podcastor other podcasts available on
the rcbc Podcast Network, visitrcbc.edu/podcast. And be sure to
subscribe to the rcbc barenesspodcast available on all
streaming platforms.
Welcome to Rowan College of Burlington counties
Barron s Podcast. I'm Dr. BrookeMyatt program chair and
assistant professor of ourentertainment technologies
department. I'm a co chair ofthe Women's Advocacy Group a
subcommittee of the President'sAdvisory Council on diversity,
equity and inclusion. Thismonthly series highlights women
(00:21):
in leadership while encouraginglisteners to build their skills,
connect with the community andvisualize the opportunities
available to women in variousprofessions. Tune in for a
female perspective on theBurlington County community. We
are here to listen to theseamazing women. If you want to
hear from women who lead andinspire this podcast is for you.
(00:45):
Welcome to our September episodeof The Baroness podcast. I am so
excited to have two colleagueshere with me today. I have
Michel Martin, our seniorresearch analyst from Workforce
Development Institute. WelcomeMichelle.
Thanks for having me, Brooke,
of course. And I also have cocreative lady, Lisa Steinberg,
who is our program coordinatorof the fashion design and
(01:07):
fashion product merchandisingdepartment. Welcome,
thank you so much for invitingme into this group. Of course, I
was, you know, putting ondifferent accessories and
checking out my earrings andeverything for today because I
knew you would be styling, I hadto be styling. But even though
we're just on a podcast, I feltlike I needed to step it up for
(01:27):
you.
Well, I appreciate it.
Because she's always sort ofstyle like walking around,
you're like she must teachfashion or something creative,
which I love. I stand out alittle bit. And we love you for
that. So totally, but it's beenkind of a crazy summer, we are
back here at rcbc. We are inperson, I love seeing the campus
(01:51):
full of life with the studentsback for fall semester. And
there's a lot of programs, a lotof events happening. And I know
Michelle, you are actually doingso much programming over at
workforce development. Why don'tyou tell us what you do IT
workforce development, and thenwe'll talk about some of the
upcoming events you're doing
sounds great. Well, what I do isI'm within business engagement.
(02:14):
And we work with our businesspartners, our community
partners, as well as you know,the students, whether they're
adult returning learners or highschool students, and we, you
know, stand up these programs,what I essentially do is, do the
research, do the background tosee what the industry trends
are, see what types of jobskills that our students need.
(02:37):
And then we try to put some newprogramming together, something
that would interest people anddevelop them. And perhaps that's
something that, you know, longterm might become a credit
bearing program. But, you know,we're the beta people. So what
we provide is, you know,opportunities for advisory
boards and meetings where we cancollaborate with other people
(03:00):
within the community.
And I know Lisa, you do so manycool program, such great,
awesome programming with thefashion design students. And you
just came off of an amazingspring semester with a amazing
fashion show. Why don't you talka little bit about your program,
um, specifically, maybe coursesthat you have, I know you have
(03:22):
some really new excitingcourses, so everybody can know
what our program has to offerhere at our CDC.
So Brooke, yeah, we come off thespring, and we do our fashion
show, and we are back at it.area. So fall just starts right
there. And we're already talkingfashion show, we've got the
dates and everything picked up.What's so exciting about coming
(03:45):
back to fall semester is the newfaces. And we show them our
fashion show video that is donethat we do over the summer. And
they are so excited just to seethat and know that they're going
to be participating in it.
And what I love about both ofyou is how we all kind of came
(04:07):
together of you know, both ofyou do this supporting our
students supporting thecommunity. And how I met
everyone was really my my firstinitial meeting was with
Michelle and I feel Michelle,like you've been a part of
Burlington County, like in somany different facets. And I
love that you're now here atrcbc. But I first met Michelle
over at the Burlington CountyLibrary in West Hampton. And I
(04:32):
met her actually I taught alifelong learning class, which
is kind of a similar situationof reaching out to the community
like WTI and it was an adultcourse. And every Saturday
morning, I would teach the filmsof Alfred Hitchcock and we got
some great people coming I mean,I had like 30 to 40 people
coming every Saturday and it wasreally amazing and I loved it
(04:54):
and then you know, Michelle justcame up and she's like, you
know, would you be interested inlike programming a A filmmaking
conference of some sort. And Iwas like, Sure, and, and what
was really interesting is youhave been doing this creative
programming thinking thesereally awesome ideas. You know,
same thing with Lisa. And that'skind of how you and Lisa, kind
(05:16):
of team Josh. So tell me aboutthat. And, and how we all came
to be the rcbc family that weare today.
Right? Well, I think what'sreally greatest with Lisa was
Makers Faire, which was again atthe county library. And it was a
great opportunity to, to showyoung children how to make
things. And, you know, at leasthis team from from from rcbc was
(05:41):
there to to show how you makestuff, you know, which was
really cool, right?
It is. And it's interesting,because Brooke, you said how you
had met Michelle, at thelibrary, I actually met her
there when I first started. Andthey had all the fashion
magazines, and they had bigshowcase area for display. Love
it. And I needed to find out howI can work there and get the
(06:06):
fashion arisings as well. Andthat's actually how Michelle and
I met. And then later becauseshe also knew that I did a lot
of workshops. At the time in thesummer, we used to do ad rcbc
Summer Fashion camps, love a lotof the employees that work here
would bring their kids to it.And then she approached me about
(06:28):
the Makers Faire and what I beinterested in, you know, helping
out participating show, youknow, that's my favorite thing.
Yeah, especially young kids whoare interested in fashion.
I think, I think what's soexciting about what we all do,
and how we all collaborated, itwas like, We can do it, you
know, we can get together and wecan come up with an A concept.
(06:50):
And then we can see it tofruition. I think that's a
really valuable thing that I'veseen as like with the
masterclass that you did in thefilmmaking and, and, you know,
the fashion work that you'vedone, and just, you know, that
collaboration, and I thinkthat's probably what I enjoy the
most.
In fact, I wanted to mention,when you talk about workshops,
(07:12):
you know, with workforce, wehave two new workshops, this
fall that we develop throughworkforce. Also one is a fashion
during class for high schoolstudents. And one is the sewing
course for high school students,and it's gonna be on campus. I'm
so excited. So we haven't donethis in three years. Yeah,
great. So just when you weretalking about the workshops, I'm
(07:35):
like, okay, aside from showingthe program, and, and doing
everything else that you'reteaching, and do, both of you
workshops are so much fun forme, because that's the high
school students, it's, it'seasier, they're so eager to be a
fashion designer. Yeah,
they love it. And, you know,we're all talking about
supporting our community and theresources. And I just kind of
(07:57):
want to go back to the library,because one of the things that
we at the Women's Resource Grouphave is, we have some really
amazing library resources. Soduring Women's History Month, we
put out a list of films thatwere directed by women that were
edited by women, I helpedcollaborate on that. We put
together a book, you know,monthly book club and books,
(08:20):
supporting kind of women. And Ijust think the two of you, you
know, adding to our committeehas just been really amazing.
And I wanted to kind of ask bothof you, why do you think it's so
important at rcbc to have awomen's advocacy group?
(08:41):
So, Michelle, I know you looklike you're about to chat. And
I'm like, I'm grabbing. No, goahead. My whole career, I've
worked with a lot of women. Andyou know, I was, at one time I
was young. And I worked with alot of women who were in the
fashion industry. And theyconnected me. They helped me
(09:02):
network, I didn't really knowabout networking, and pretty shy
person, even though I like totalk. And they taught me that.
And when I came to the school toteach, you're, you're kind of
isolated, and there's differentprograms and they stay isolated.
So you know, having thisopportunity, you know, to join,
(09:23):
it was such a great thing,because I love to connect, and I
love to conceptualize and comeup with ideas. And I think
that's what's so exciting wasthat I'm meeting these amazing
women who work at the collegethat I really don't get to speak
to, because we're in a littleworld. Yeah, and and it's like,
(09:44):
okay, what can we do that'srelated to women? And I think
because in the past, women werejust not at the spotlight or not
as much I know in my career andin the 80s isn't even the 90s
kind of like, you know, kind oftaking that little bit of that
(10:04):
backseat. And I think thatthere's so much to be celebrated
to talk about so many thingsthat women did in the past that
were not spotlighted.
I think I agree with you. Yeah,I think that get this particular
group has really taken off inthe, in the spring, you know,
(10:25):
with Brooke and Tiffany at thehelm. I really appreciate what
they've been doing with all ofthe events, like, like Brooke
said, we had that wonderfulWomen's History Month, you know,
resources for for all of us. Andalso, you know, the, I'm really
big into women's health. And youknow, the wearing of the red in
(10:48):
February for Women's HeartHealth Month, we did a walk and
you know, so it was a way oftrying to develop people,
whether they're men or women tocome together on the campus, you
know, for the betterment of allof us, really. And I love this
podcast, I think this is great,the women you've had on so far,
(11:09):
they've been tremendous. I'velistened to every single
podcast, so well done.
Thank you. I appreciate that.And, you know, going back to
what Lisa said, you know, thereis something about women like
this connectivity on a differentlevel. I don't even know how to
explain it. Does anybody knowhow to explain it? Like we just,
we there's like, there's like abond, there's a connectivity,
(11:30):
there's like this? I don't know,it's like this hidden kind of
thing? Well,
you know, when you say that,sometimes people are
competitive, and they keep it tothemselves. And I never do. My
husband always says to me, Lisa,you give all the secrets away.
And you do that, especially as aeducator, you've given
everything to them everything.So it's kind of, you know, I
(11:54):
mean, I started teaching again,at Pratt Institute, when I was
25 years old, they called meback. And I was so excited. I
was freelancing at the time, andI was working independently in
New York. And for me to givethat back. And I think that,
that's, that's the connection,it's like, I have something that
(12:16):
I think is kind of cool. And Iwant to share it with you. And
even just Brooke, we were justhaving a little conversation,
I'm like, tell me more aboutyour career. I love it. I wish I
did that as a chance to kind oflive by caring, like,
shall we support each other,like we support we support in
the downtimes. And the HighTimes, like, I feel there's just
(12:38):
like this vibe, that we as womenas this force that, you know,
not a lot of people see, we justhave this connection, and I
absolutely love it. And, youknow, you were talking about
like back in the 80s and 90s,where women weren't a force in
your industry and for and thesame thing for my industry. It's
very a male dominated industry,the entertainment industry for a
(13:00):
very long time. And I love thatI'm part of this group to be
able to support and, you know,do all the different things
regarding all these amazing, youknow, whether it's red dress,
whether it's women history, Mom,you know, we're going to be
doing something for BreastCancer Awareness Month. And just
being that, like light oncampus, I think is a really
(13:24):
important thing.
Yeah, it's a very nurturingenvironment, I think, you know,
within the women at rcbc. And Ithink we allow ourselves some
space and say, Yes, so this is,give it a try, you know, and
that's why I think I can do whatI can do. And, and I value that
(13:45):
very much.
It also spills out to yourstudents. I find everything that
I do every single day of mylife, anything new, I bring it
into the classroom, and shareit. And I think that by, you
know, us as colleagues, sharingit, and then sharing it with
your students. It's gonnaelevate their level of education
(14:09):
and just their level of what toexpect when they go out in the
industry that they're gonna havemore. Right there, they will be
in that spot.
I totally agree. And I thinkprobably Michelle, you even see
it where you are that it's, youknow, working at rcbc we have
students of all ages, and alldiverse backgrounds in the
(14:32):
entire community. And what Ilove about you is, you know,
even though you say okay, Lisais the fashion designer, and
you're thinking creative,whatever, and you're probably in
this office that's, you know,bland walls and rice kind of
stuff. But you have such themind of creating these unique,
you know, classes and the uniqueprograms and really getting the
(14:55):
community involvement. Like howwhere did this come? from like,
Have you Have you always hadthis? I mean, even back when the
library had all these ideas,you're like, let's do this with
this. It was called pixels inmotion by the way, I loved our
little filmmakers masterclass,we had we had an entertainment
attorney come in we did. It wasso cool. Screenwriter, I mean,
(15:17):
it was so cool and all theprogramming and that if anyone
listening has not been to themain branch of the Burlington
County Library System, it is amazing. Just from the children's
programming to the communityprogramming to the amphitheater
outside it's it's it's an it'san amazing place, and Burlington
(15:39):
County and so many free andaccessible programs. Oh,
absolutely. People just don'trealize but But what's also
amazing is our CBC has theseamazing programs that you've
kind of morphed over to thecollege. So tell us where do you
get that background of trying tofigure all these? I mean, these
cool things? I mean, I just, Iwouldn't have the mindset for
this,
(15:59):
I think, well, I just think Myhistory is is somewhat different
from both of yours. I wasn't in,I was in industry, and I was,
you know, I was in weirdbusinesses, like forklifts and
things like that, you know,which, you know, doesn't lend
itself to a lot of creativity,and a document destruction,
(16:19):
really oddball things. But, butwhat interested me was, you
know, was that sales and themarketing aspect of it, and how
a business developed and grew.And so that always intrigued me.
And so to do that, you have tobe very creative. And you have
to be easily able to pivot veryquickly. You know, as you both
(16:41):
know, you have to do it in theclassroom, you have to do it
with with what you do with withdesign or film. So all of those
elements, and you haven't seenmy office, it's not planned for.
So I just I just Yeah, okay.Yeah. So so that, that, you
know, that that that sparks mycreativity. So, yeah, I love
(17:03):
doing things like that. I lovethat, again, the collaboration,
the interaction, it's likeanything could happen. And let's
let it happen. When I was in theacademic library, and Pemberton
went, when we had that location,we did lots of open mic nights.
And, oh, we had complete drumsets there. It was fun. So if
(17:25):
you can get away with it
well, from forklift and openmic, that's certainly a big
spectrum. But I love it. And youknow, just how you said you kind
of have to be kind of moving andgrooving with the times and
changing it up. You know, Lisa,with all this social
connectivity of online contentwith fashion, you have also
(17:46):
taken the program and haveimplemented some really new
interesting courses. Could youtell talk to us about that?
Yeah, well, I feel like it'sforever moving it nowadays. It
never stays still.
I mean, cuz the fashion does,the
fashion industry moves reallyquickly. The technology is
moving really quickly. So I'malways what's next. And I've got
(18:09):
some more, which I can't talkabout yet. But I feel like it
was like my little baby, addinga Photoshop class. So Photoshop
for fashion, was the big thing.And I wrote the course, with one
of our instructors. She taughtit because she was really good
in graphic design. And she hadthe technology. And I wrote it
(18:31):
because I didn't know anythingabout it. And I wanted to learn
it. So just being you know, wehad already had the illustrator
program, you know, technology,fashion technology. But this was
something that was very near anddear to me, because I needed to
learn. And I wanted everyone toknow it as well. So when I wrote
the course, we wrote it asexperimental. And I took the
(18:54):
course also, in, you know, theinstructor, she taught me
everything, I knew nothing atall. And we would literally chat
about what should be theprojects related to it. And from
there, I was able to write thecourse and put it into the
curriculum. And it's running forthe first time, this fall on
Monday nights. At Mount Holly,we do have a different
(19:18):
instructor, that instructor wenton to doing a full time job and
we're very excited for her. Andwe have this wonderful new
instructor who actually tookclasses at rcbc wonder many
years ago and had reached out tome to take more classes after
she had her children. And weactually got her in and work
(19:38):
with her and she's teaching theclass. This is such an exciting
class, we run it everything thestudents do goes onto social
media on Instagram, so they'retrending, etc, etc. And I it's
such an important class becauseeverybody in the fashion
industry will need to use thisand it's a combination Enough
(20:00):
whether you're designing ortrending, or telling story, I
would call them visual visualstories. Actually, this is the
best media to work with rightnow. Anyway.
Yeah. And I love that, you know,you said something about, like,
you know, this is what they needto do are always keeping it
(20:21):
fresh or always motivating. Andso what keeps both of you ladies
fresh? What inspires you is? Isit? Is it a certain person? Is
it? Is it you know, getting upevery day? Do you do something
every day? Like what inspiresyou? I don't know, like, I threw
a big question. You're allyou're all looking at me like,
Oh my God. But what inspires youto keep fresh and keep motivated
(20:46):
and keep going so
to me every single day, so I'm aball of energy.
We didn't know that. Michelle, Ididn't have
a price. So if I don't havesomething, I'm like, Okay, I'm
gonna read a book, at least I'mgonna be interested in history.
(21:08):
I oversee everything inanything. I mean, I'm on
Instagram. Now I have anInstagram account for my fashion
illustrations. And I joined thisorganization. And so I'm always
looking at illustrators that Ilike, and artists and I
correspond with people who'velived in Amsterdam, and England.
And yeah, we like each other. Wewrite stories to each other. So
(21:30):
the Connect connections arereally far out now from that,
which is fantastic. I'm inspiredby anything. And I just want to
tell this very short story. WhenI first started teaching at
Pratt, we didn't have syllabi.We didn't even barely have
curriculum, you kind of went in,it was a drawing class, and you
just did what you thing. And Iwas taking on 18th Street in New
(21:56):
York, I was taking this moderndance class, and I knew nothing
about it, but I loved it. And Idecided I was going to do it.
And I had an amazing teacher whoactually danced with Graham,
when Martha Graham Yep. And shewas so inspiring. That anything
we did with our bodies in ourmovement, I would be on the
(22:18):
subway heading to my class andproud the next day. And I would
suddenly come up with a wholeconcept and idea, I can't even
tell you what it is now, butjust based off of that of what
she taught us. So I think it'salways, for me, my inspiration
comes from anything and everyonearound me that's got something
(22:39):
to say.
Sure. I totally understand,Michelle.
Well, I'm going to take adifferent tack. That's okay. Oh,
good. I find that I love a lotof stimuli as well, you know,
and I read extensively differenttypes of books. And but I think
(23:00):
I like to go inward. Everymorning, I've a couple of years
ago, I started meditating daily.And I find that has had a
profound effect on me, and how Igo through each and every day,
I'm much more aware and present.So I find that tremendously
(23:22):
valuable to have that quiet timein the morning, and maybe
journal afterwards. Not everyday, but for sure. Meditate if I
don't, I feel like I didn'tbrush my teeth. It's kind of
like that.
Sure. Now, the journaling. Whatdo you what do you do you look
back, like, ever or do you? Whatdo you do with the journal with
a journal interested?
(23:42):
The journaling is just kind of afree flow, if you've ever heard,
yeah. Julie Cameron, you know,yeah, the artists way. And
that's just, you know, greatmorning page. Yeah, I love it.
Yeah. So like mourning pages,and, you know, where you just
keep writing freehand. And youjust it just, you can see the
evolution. So I tried to dothat. And then sometimes I might
(24:05):
be stuck on something and I wantto, you know, kind of noodle
around with it. But But eitherway, it works for me.
I have that aha like little booknext to my bed with my
nightstand. So like, I used tobe ultra creative. Like in
college, it'd be like two threein the morning, I'd still be
like editing videos becauselike, that's when I felt like I
(24:25):
was the most creative. I was solike, never went to bed. I was
always like, on my Mac, oldschool Mac was like, you know,
75 pounds or whatever. But likein the middle that I if I have
an idea, like I'll just havethis epiphany and like, I'll
wake up and just write and it'slike my dream or my aha book. I
say so just to tell I do thatall the time now. So that's my
(24:47):
that's my journaling. Butbecause I don't get up that
early. I'll try but you know,it's tough, but yeah,
definitely. And I love thatinspiration. What about you
know, I love After that you saidabout Instagram, and I know, you
share a lot of stuff on socialmedia for a lot of the
programming. How do you feellike that's connected you to the
(25:09):
community? Or your yourcommunity of your networking
community? Oh, that's huge.Yeah.
Everyone's on it. And, you know,young people, yeah. Lm a builder
now. They're all on it. So, youknow, a couple of years ago for
me to just eat, I don'tunderstand it hasn't worked. And
(25:30):
I'm going back even like, eightyears ago, you know, with
students saying to me, I'll helpyou, I'll get you. And not so
confusing. And finally, finally,it was like, okay, now's the
time. And about three years ago,just joining that, connecting
with the students on it. Also,they're curious, they want to
(25:51):
know what you're doing. Yeah.And,
like, you're a real person,you're not just the professor in
front of the room, it makes youreal. And I think being real
with your students is her ishuge. And current, I mean, I
love that you said you, youknow, you had this kind of wall
up that you're, you're like,maybe I didn't want to learn,
but then now you're like, I wantto learn show me, you know,
(26:12):
helped me and you know, we haveto stay fresh. And we have to
keep current and especially inour industries, and Michelle as
well. Technology is huge. Imean, it's ever changing, it's
ever and women in tech, we'vegot to bring that to the
forefront, you know.
And it's so interesting, becauseat the end of the day, it's
really the same thing. It's whatwe're doing right now. And same
(26:35):
thing, it's just a, it's just adifferent, different medium.
It's a different medium, adifferent format. And once you
learn it, even going when wefirst went to WebEx virtual, oh
my God, it was so scary. It waslike terrified, I literally
people would show me step bystep by step. And the next thing
I knew, I was like, a whiz atit. And then I laugh with my
(26:57):
students, because I had more funwith them than I thought I was
having face to face. We wereplaying Hollywood Squares,
because I saw them in a square,right? And then I would do like
little fun quiz things and holdpaper up for your answer. So
they could all see it, becausethey weren't talking. And it was
a whole new format ofcommunicating. And it was okay,
(27:20):
because we were laughing, eventhough we were laughing
separately in our own littlewindow in our own room. We were
laughing. And,
and I think it helps you it justhelps you you learn to write,
you know, because you can getstuck in in you know, I'm
comfortable with this, I'm notready for Tiktok yet, I'll tell
you,
(27:40):
Oh, come on, Michelle, we'regonna do some of those videos,
yeah, we'll get you on thefashion was where you click your
finger, and you're
gonna get to learn that stuff.
But, you know, it's interesting,Michelle, that, you know, we're
all talking here, you deal witha lot in workforce development,
(28:00):
you know, adult learners comingback after they've already have,
you know, a four year degree ora master's, or they want to
switch careers in the middle.And I think you know, you are,
you know, your office has tostay current, because you're
teaching these adult learnersthat want to come back, you
know, changing careers, having adifferent opportunity, getting
(28:22):
back into a different time, youknow, before, like, there was
email and things like that,share that experience of how
it's been working with those,
well, I think nurse working withWell, our adult learners are on
the spectrum of, you know, oftheir levels of, I guess, you
could say education, competence,whatever. So you might have
(28:44):
someone come in and say theywere working a job that was
like, for example, CNAs, I'lltake CNAs, for example, you
know, that they did things very,like hands on, right. And then
all of a sudden, with COVID,they had to use technology and
apps and things to do their workand put, you know, put their
(29:04):
reports in and things like that.Well, that was a real learning
curve, you know. And so it waslike a different way. And
sometimes people come in andlike, I've never, I haven't
written a resume in years. Idon't know what's important and
what's relevant. So we try togive them all that, you know,
because the workforce also, wekind of overlap with career
(29:26):
services, sure, and careerpreparation. And in that, you
know, people need to know how tointerview they need to know how
to, to put themselves out therekeywords, you know, in all those
searches, a
lot of the soft skills that Ifeel is lacking, and I actually
did my dissertation on thisthat, you know, student a lot of
people sometimes know the simpletechnology. It's that other
(29:49):
piece about communicating andhow to write properly and you
know, that they haven't done allthose things. So it's
interesting that it kind ofcrosses paths with the adult
learners and also the, you know,our younger learners that are
here. So it's a very, verypowerful thing. So what I wanted
(30:09):
to do is before we wrap up I dowant Lisa to share her Instagram
so we can follow you.
Sure I need some new I met 5000For me that's the last summer I
didn't post and they suddenlydropped. So now I'm back.
Well, let's share with some ofher followers, the Baroness
(30:30):
podcast because I have to say Iwant to get this podcast out
there. We have such theseamazing women of course,
obviously the two of you all ofour previous recordings and all
of our future recordings, we'rereally trying to connect with a
lot of, you know, listeners thatI think would be really
interested in this so Idefinitely want to say thank you
so much for coming on. What'syour what's your handle?
(30:53):
Oh, my handle my hash share?Yeah,
well, no, your handle for yourInstagram, my
Instagram is Lisa fashion art.Very simple. Okay, fashion art.
Yeah, you'll see it and I, I ama an author. So my book cover
illustrations is on my little, Idon't know, you know, the
technology guys. Yes.
(31:13):
But let me let me. Lisa is anauthor of the beginner's guide
to sketching the fashion figure.Very awesome.
That was an amazing journey. Imean, that was huge. That was
huge. It's, you know, when youhear, like, these actors are
like, it was five years in theUS. It really was like a five
(31:34):
year in the making, even thoughit took a year to make to just
write and draw. It was like,really, in prep work. From the
original editor that I met, allthe way until I got it
published, was about five years.Wow,
wow. But you know what, itspeaks volumes. And I've always
said this, that our CBC has suchpowerful talent, of the
(31:59):
backgrounds of the people thatthey hire hair is just so
amazing. Like, who would havethunk that, like you're an
author? I mean, amazing fromManhattan. I mean, holy smokes
all your years in the fashionindustry in New York, and
schooling and everything. Imean, such a powerhouse and
I have met, you know, when youleave New York, and closer to,
(32:23):
you know, Southern New Jersey,and I have met the most amazing
women in industry, and mystudents get so excited. I love
New York. I love New York, Ican't wait or I'm from it when
they say they're from it. Andit's like, Oh, my God, you know,
we're connected right away.Yeah. Sure. So I love it here
(32:47):
for that reason that I've notjust as just as exciting as it
was for me in New York for allthe years that I worked there.
I'm just as excited by meetingcreative people. People are
interesting. People want toshare their ideas. That's That's
enough. For me. That's whatkeeps me going. And Michelle,
how can we contact you? Throughyour email? How do people want
(33:10):
to reach out and connect withMichelle for workforce? Sure,
oh,
well, it's m j martin@rcbc.edu.And you can check out our
upcoming events at startupstars. Excellent, which is
rcbc.edu. Forward slash startupstars that's happening on
Wednesday evening for those whowant to be business owners and
(33:34):
creators.
That is such an awesome event.So every recording, what I do is
I write down a whole bunch ofwords that we talked about
throughout the our time here,and I act as a hashtag, I put a
hashtag in front of them. Andthen I'm going to ask each one
of you to share if you had apersonal hashtag, what would
(33:56):
your hashtag be? So I'm gonnaread some of the keywords that
came up today in our meeting,okay. Hashtag fresh, hashtag
stories. Hashtag what's next?Technology, library, creativity,
develop? Connection, nurture,partners, hashtag engagement,
(34:17):
community, fun, light, space,and pivot.
That's great.
All right. So if you had yourwhat's the hashtag that you that
you would live by or thatinspires you, or that is you.
I'm gonna say, embrace your age,because here we are talking
(34:42):
about young midlife even lateron, and you need to embrace it
all the time and take advantageof what's out there. Connect.
I love it. Michelle, how aboutyou
Well, I had an idea, but I justchanged it listening to you. I
(35:07):
think my hashtag is show up. Ithink that what you just said,
just adding to that is just, youknow, be present every single
day. And that goes back to whatI was saying earlier. Be aware,
be present, show up, and youwill reap the benefits and so
will the other people youconnect with. It's beautiful.
(35:28):
I love both of those. And I wantto share that our women's
advocacy group, you can check usout at rcbc.edu/diversity. And
then there is a link for the W AG. And I do want to thank all of
our committee members. They arejust a powerhouse. We're going
to be very excited. We'regearing up for a great year of
(35:50):
awesome events. So please comeback and check out the website
rcbc.edu/diversity Check out thebarrenness podcast on the pod
channel. You know, we still havelibrary resources up and
available from Women's HistoryMonth. So everyone listening can
go and experience those, youknow, and I just want to thank
(36:10):
both of you for joining ustoday. It's been an amazing,
amazing time speaking with you.And I want to thank all of our
listeners, you've been listeningto the rcbc Baroness podcast
which highlights women inleadership while encouraging
listeners to build their skills,connect with the community and
visualize the opportunitiesavailable to women in various
professions. For moreinformation about this podcast
(36:32):
or other podcasts available onthe rcbc Podcast Network, visit
rcbc.edu/podcast. And be sure tosubscribe to the rcbc bareness
podcast wherever you tune in fora female perspective into the
Burlington County community.Take care. Thanks,
you been listening to the rcbcbareness podcast, which
(36:52):
highlights women in leadershipwhile encouraging listeners to
build their skills, connect withthe community and visualize the
opportunities available to womenin various professions. For more
information about this podcastor other podcasts available on
the rcbc Podcast Network, visitrcbc.edu/podcast. And be sure to
subscribe to the rcbc barenesspodcast available on all
streaming platforms.
Popular Podcasts
Dateline NBC
Current and classic episodes, featuring compelling true-crime mysteries, powerful documentaries and in-depth investigations.
Stuff You Should Know
If you've ever wanted to know about champagne, satanism, the Stonewall Uprising, chaos theory, LSD, El Nino, true crime and Rosa Parks, then look no further. Josh and Chuck have you covered.
The Nikki Glaser Podcast
Every week comedian and infamous roaster Nikki Glaser provides a fun, fast-paced, and brutally honest look into current pop-culture and her own personal life.