April 30, 2024 • 50 mins
Doug leads a discussion about the Law of One material's concept of the "unmanifested self."
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So just close our eyes and just imagine breathing right into the heart,
directly into the heart, one deep breath in and out.
And I just ask the one infinite creator to be here with us tonight and to fill
our hearts with your love and to join us with understanding and unity tonight. night.
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May our words sink in and just help us in the highest and best way.
And we give thanks to those unseen friends and those in the inner realms.
And we are so grateful for your assistance.
And we go forth tonight just expressing ourselves as clearly as possible in
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the service to all. Amen.
Amen. Amen. You've really gotten good at that. Really gotten good at it.
All right. So here's tonight's topic that I wanted to just run in and just get out there.
That is the unmanifested self.
Law of one, you know, Ra talking about the unmanifested self.
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So what I thought I would do is share my screen really quickly and And, uh.
I have lots of things that are open that's exciting okay and i'm gonna go to the law of one,
here and i'm gonna go to the unmanifest oops my this is always open it's always open on my screen.
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Unmanifested self let's return
i'm gonna do a little refine action exact phrase here we go So, okay.
So, I'm going to read out loud a couple of passages and maybe we can stop and reflect.
And then if that starts up a nice dialogue, then that'll be great.
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If not, we'll continue to read more.
But I'd like to say one of the reasons why I wanted to bring up the unmanifested
self is, is I feel it is what we use all the time in counseling to help people, to help ourselves.
I think we use the unmanifested self all the time.
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And it'd be nice to see if we can uncover some metaphysics that Ra might give us. All right.
So session 33.16, questioner.
I was thinking possibly the catalyst of physical pain.
How does this, does this go under this heading? And Ra says, I'm Ra.
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This is correct. It's going under the heading of the unmanifested self.
That is the self which does not need other self in order to manifest work.
Okay, so I'm going to read another one and then we'll stop and see if anything is resonating.
34.6.
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Questioner, thank you. Can you give me examples of catalytic action to produce
learning under each of the following headings from the last session we had.
Can you give me an example of the self-unmanifested producing learning catalyst?
The answer, I'm Rob. We observed your interest in the catalyst of pain.
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This experience is most common among your entities.
The pain may be of a physical complex. More often, it is of the mental and emotional complex.
In some few cases, the pain is spiritual in complex nature.
This creates a potential for learning. The lessons to be learned vary.
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Almost always these lessons include patience
tolerance and the ability
for the light touch very often
the catalyst for emotional pain whether it
be the death of the physical complex of another self which
is loved or some other seeming loss
will simply result in the opposite in
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a bitterness and impatience a souring
this is catalyst which has gone awry
in these cases then there will be additional catalyst provided additional catalyst
provided to offer the unmanifest self further opportunities for discovering
the self as all sufficient creator containing all that there is and full of joy.
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Well, intriguing, intriguing. Anybody have any thoughts as to what the unmanifest
self might be just as you're thinking about that?
Or maybe you know already. The unmanifest.
And Demarcus and Victor, welcome to chime in.
I understand the unmanifested self to be the higher self or the magical personality.
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Does that align with your understanding? No, and I have reasons for that,
but I don't think I'm right.
But why would you say it's, how did you draw the link between the unmanifested
self and the higher self? Was there a certain session or two that you remember from that?
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There's a quote channeling that uses the two terms synonymously.
Unmanifested self synonymously with the higher self magical personality.
Yeah. I would think that the unmanifested self is connected to the higher self,
the magical personality.
But I feel like the self is really embedded in our third density environment.
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In other words, it's kind of like you work with the unmanifested self in order
to invoke the magical personnel.
So it's like Jesus saying nobody comes to the Father except to the Son.
Nobody goes to the magical personality except to the unmanifested self.
But anyways i'll talk a little bit more about that in a little bit but i'm not
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saying i'm right i like that what you're saying too victor did you have any
thoughts on that uh no actually i,
i for some reason i i really haven't gone into this i haven't i haven't looked
into it too much but it's interesting so i'm i mean curious on what you have
to say about it anybody else,
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Doug, just when you read the very first thing about physical pain, I believe.
And then it went on to the unmanifested self.
And that made me think, boy, if the physical pain part brought me into the third density experience.
So how did that relate to that? I'm agreeing with you. Oh, okay. Yeah.
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Hey, Doug. This is Fred. I had a question.
You know, when I'm listening to the unmanifested self and listening to this,
It reminds me a little bit of like, and this may be a weird way of crossing
it, but it immediately reminded me of like,
was it Rupert Murdoch and his whole idea of what he says, like,
you know, you're like a plant.
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And I forgot the specific word he said. It's almost like a specific pattern
that, you know, everything has this pattern of what it grows into.
So if we're saying a leaf, a specific oak leaf has a specific pattern that it
grows into, so it's almost like a mapped out or a directed pattern.
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Oh, I wish I could remember the word he used.
Rupert Murdoch, he says that all living things have this, almost like a map
or a destiny or a blueprint that it grows into. to.
Yeah, you're talking about Rupert Sheldrick, right?
Sheldrick, yeah, Sheldrick. That's what I said, Rupert Murdoch.
Boy, that was really, that was a Freudian. Well, you got Rupert, right?
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Yeah, I had Rupert, right. But yeah, Sheldon, yeah.
So that, oh, what did he call it? It almost, when you said those two names,
it almost clicked. What do you call it? Energy fields or?
It's like an energy field. And he says, and so I'm wondering,
is an unmanifested self almost like an energy field that we are called to in
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our development, almost like a mapping toward higher self.
Well, I think that's a wonderful, open-ended question. Maybe that'll manifest
as we talk, manifesting the unmanifest.
Maybe that'll emerge as we talk a little bit or read a little bit more.
But let's hold that intention. That's good.
Doug, I can also see the unmanifest self being our time-space portion of us
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that's outside of the space-time illusion.
Like you said, that is directly influenced by the higher self.
Yeah. Yeah, that's, I lean more in that particular place.
As we will read a little bit more, this is one of the nuances that I'm interested
in discovering with you is maybe the unmanifested self is actually a third.
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So it's not necessarily the space-time, it's not fully the time-space,
but it has, it's kind of that intermediary self that we can work with directly.
But let's continue here. Okay.
Okay, let's go to 34 point. Well, let's go up here. Okay. Sorry.
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34.7. Do what we call contagious diseases play any part in this process with
respect to the unmanifested self? I am raw.
These so-called contagious contagious diseases are those entities of second
density which offer an opportunity for this type of catalyst.
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If this catalyst is unneeded, then these second density creatures,
as you would call them, do not have an effect.
In each of these generalizations, you may please note that there are anomalies
so that we cannot speak to every circumstance but only to the general run or
way of things as you experience them.
Thank you. 34.9.
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Thank you. Would you give me the same type of information about the self in
relation to the societal self?
I know that there was something, I think there was a session missing there in
between, but that's okay.
Ra, I am Ra, the unmanifested self may find its lessons, those which develop
any of the energy influx centers of the mind-body-spirit complex.
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I'm going to read that again.
The unmanifested self may find its lessons, those which develop any of the energy
influx centers of the mind-body-spirit complex.
The societal and self-interactions most often concentrate upon the second and third energy centers.
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Thus, those most active in attempting to remake or alter the society are those
working from feelings of being correct personally or of having answers which
will put power in a more correct configuration. figuration.
This may be seen to be a full travel from negative to positive in orientation.
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Either will activate these rays.
Lastly, there are some few whose desires to aid society are of a green ray nature or above.
These entities, however, are few due to the understanding,
may we say a fourth ray
that universal love freely given is more to
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be desired than principalities or even
the arrange rearrangement of people's or political
structures okay so we have this sense now that the unmanifested self has something
to learn may find its lessons those which develop any of the energy influx centers
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of the mind body spirit Hmm.
Any thoughts on that?
I have a thought maybe like yellow ray or yellow chakra relating to others and the unmanifest of,
you know, showing up to building forth and relating to others at, you know, 759.
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And then you manifest it into relating to others and actually showing up.
And so it's got both
i can choose to manifest going and relating
or manifest not going and staying yeah okay
i like it that's that's interesting and good anybody else have some thoughts
so far i i noticed that you know it's talking about lessons in all of the energy
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centers and also that it's specific to the mind-body-spirit.
And so that does indicate to me that this isn't specifically the higher self
in the way that you were talking about it.
And so there's something there about lessons in this incarnation, in this experience.
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Yeah. I'm going to read the next one and then I'm going to throw out a couple of thoughts.
Oh, Troy, you had something. thing in the many worlds hypothesis there are parallel
timelines and choices that we make mean that i manifest in this timeline in
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a certain way but all these other timelines are.
Other directions my life could go is that do you think that relates at all to
to and those those are unmanifested.
So does that relate at all to this, these that you're developing?
I see where you were trying to draw the line there.
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I don't think it does because the way that I'm, the way that I think Ra is talking
about, well, let's go to the next one.
That might clear up some things. I'll read it out loud.
34.12, questioner. I thought that that was correct, but I wasn't sure.
Can you give me the same type of information that we have been getting here
with respect to the unmanifested self interacting between self and gadgets?
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Gadgets okay so this is interesting self and
iphone or android self and
computer self and car right so now we have
like uh there's there's subject object all
right here we go i am wrong in this particular instance we again concentrate
for the most part in the orange and yellow ray centers in the negative sense
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many of the gadgets among your peoples that is what you call your communication
devices and other distractions,
such as the less competitive games,
may be seen to have the distortion of keeping the mind-body-spirit complex unactivated
so that the yellow and orange ray activity is much weakened,
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thus carefully decreasing the possibility of eventual green ray activation.
Others of your gadgets may be seen to be tools whereby the entity explores the
capabilities of its physical or mental complex,
and in some few cases, the spiritual complex, thus activating the orange ray
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in what you call your team sports and in other gadgets, such as your modes of transportation.
These may be seen to be ways of investigating the feelings of power,
more especially power over others or a group power over another group of others, right?
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So, this is interesting because now we have subject-object and we're always
talking about how our use of gadgets can distract us,
keep us in some senses if they move into a
level of numbing out maybe can
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keep us from that nagging
little nudge of i could be doing more or am i working towards my vocation or
am i scratching that spiritual itch you know those kinds of so what might that
nagging little itch have,
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have that those voices of you're wasting your time.
What might that be? I think we call it our conscience in sort of the common
lexicon, the conscience.
Think that what if
the unmanifested self or something like the
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dialogue partner that you and i
have when we're talking to ourselves and
the dialogue partner is it's
us but in the it's like a subject to subject it's a conversation it's almost
as if you were talking to yourself in the mirror but the mirror doesn't have
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to be and I think for those of us and I'll speak for myself whenever I'm numbing
out on things that numb me out,
I'm not having any dialogue I'm not having I'm wanting to numb out and not think
about things or feel a lack of motivation you know things kind of grind to a halt a little bit.
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And when it's gone on long enough, I might start feeling a nudge to do something different.
Maybe that's part of the unmanifested self.
But it seems to be that there's this dialogue that's happening between self
and self in third density.
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And maybe it might be the guardian angel you know that christians have this
notion of the guardian angel maybe that's.
Another way to understand it but it's the sense of the self that is something
that we we can talk to and it doesn't mean it's elevated it's matching exactly
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where you're at so for example Example,
if you and I are having a dialogue,
if you have a dialogue and the voice is numinous, you know,
it's seemingly coming from a higher place,
you know, maybe that is the higher self.
But oftentimes we might
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be having dialogues with ourselves and maybe
in therapy we we might call it the stinking thinking
or defense mechanisms you know
earlier defense mechanisms that were not really
good at we don't need anymore that we
used when we were younger and it could
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be that if we learn how to dialogue with that
self that's all that yourself
that's also right there you can start asking like we do in therapy is do i really
need to be thinking this thought am i free to not think these thoughts is going
down this trajectory of rumination actually helping me love and and all that
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well you're talking to somebody when you're doing that and
you're talking to yourself, but it's not you. It's also you.
It's what do you think?
Elizabeth? I feel like I'm getting myself confused with these thoughts.
I'm trying to take what you're talking about, about gadgets and our relationship
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with the unmanifested self and
going back up to that idea of pain that you might be having physically.
Is it the thoughts that we have regarding the suffering or the pain that we're feeling?
It's saying, what are you doing with the thoughts about your own manifested
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body, you have cancer, you're going through cancer.
What are the thoughts that you're having about your cancer?
Is it leading you to not learn the lessons that are going to help you move higher,
but are keeping you trapped?
Is that how that connects with the gadgets that we use?
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Or it's processing these things that happen to us in this third density life,
that either it can work to our advantage for growth and love and manifesting
higher ways of being, or our thoughts are going to do just the opposite of that.
I'm trying to see how these things mesh with each other. And maybe I'm way off
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base about that. I don't know. No, I think you're fine.
I love that you're grappling with this. Danny, I see your hand raised.
Give me just one second and I'll call on you.
With the idea of, we are here in third density to do lots of things.
And obviously the biggest one is to continue to grow.
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We're developing, you know, psycho-spiritually evolving, you know.
And the only way we can evolve is through karmic balances and imbalances.
Imbalances aren't bad. They're the reason why we can grow.
And then we learn to harmonize, balance and harmonize, you know?
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But how we do that, we're given lots of opportunities to make choices of using
catalysts that come to us to grow if that's what we want to do, you know.
And I think that when we make a choice, and this is one of the things that psychotherapy
has taught me, and try it out in your own experience maybe, huh?
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But when we make a choice, there's going to be a dialogue taking place a little bit. it.
I mean, just notice in your own inside your head, there's going to be dialogue.
Okay, I'm feeling really sick today. I have a choice to just deal with this
and embrace it, even though I don't like it.
Or I'm feeling really bitter, all of that stuff.
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But then the question is, is what do I want to do with that? I mean,
there's a there's a subtle dialogue going And I think Ra is saying that you
can actually learn to use what is always and everywhere been there for every
incarnation, the unmanifested self.
You can use this very directly because it is you in a subject to subject form.
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And that voice can maybe
help us to make decisions because
between the two of us if i could the manifested self and the unmanifested self
that will produce a decision and then the decision gets flushed all the way
through from the unmanifested self into the manifested self into the world.
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You and I make this, your unmanifested self can't do anything because it's not manifested.
Our manifested body is the cutting edge of all of this.
But how does the manifested body get there? Through dialogue.
That's just a speculation I have.
Danny, did you have any thoughts and anybody else have any thoughts? Danny, go ahead.
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And something you said just in your response there, I think you said something like.
Something that stays through incarnations that, I'm not sure what you said,
but my thought was, you know, if the idea is for the divineness,
our divine beingness to manifest,
am I right in that, even within the raw sense?
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So the small self is what is manifested.
I was wondering, to me, in my model of my own spirituality,
I would liken it, the manifested self, to the soul in terms of,
okay, there's a true self that is my truest divine identity,
but then there's this state of separation into this soul that has many incarnations
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that is growing in its awareness of divinity.
And so there's greater manifestations of truth eventuating.
So that third in-between that you were talking about, to me,
I was likening it to, say, what I understand for myself as the soul.
And I don't know if there's, not knowing the raw material very well,
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if there are other discussions about soul.
But that seems to fit the model for me, that it's carrying a level of truth
and divinity above what I'm really aware of in my small self.
But it comes through in synchronicities and.
Moments where I may be doing something else, you know, there may be even playing
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a video game, but some element of truth comes through to me about what's going on in the game,
you know, and just, you know, those enlightenments that come that maybe come
from that part of us that does carry a greater wisdom that I kind of think might be soul.
I love it. I think the unmanifested self is not totally equivalent to the soul,
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but I think it is a part of the soul.
Ra later on will talk about the significant self, the significant self,
the meaning-making self that tends to go from lifetime to lifetime to lifetime.
And I've often thought about that as being, I mean, it is unmanifested,
but it's not the same as the unmanifested self.
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But I think it's a part of it. you might even say
that the unmanifested self is the
significant self in that incarnation but
the unmanifested self doesn't go from
incarnation to incarnation it's it's kind of like the significant self does
that but the unmanifested self you're right it is a way to if you're getting
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a synchronicity notice again next time we have synchronicities notice that that
there's going to be a subtle dialogue.
Oh, I'm noticing that. I wonder what that can mean. I wonder how that is.
Wonder where that comes from.
You know, like those are, those are dialogues that we start to have with ourself.
And I think that in part is the unmanifested self through which our soul or higher self can speak.
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It's kind of like that mediator. Yeah. Troy.
I'm perplexed at why Ra chose that term.
It seems like he could have called it the inner dialogue or any number of things,
but he chose unmanifested.
And any idea of what his thinking was in that regard?
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Well, I think in part, a lot of Wanderers from the raw group are here sending
messages back home saying, you need to brush up on your English.
That it's just
not it's not playing out well here homie but i
i think that inner dialogue is the
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unmanifested self but notice like when you are in relationship with somebody
else or are the actions you're making you know that is your manifested self
space time physical self but how we get there how we get to every action is
going to be in a dialogue because even if i'm I'm doing something like,
let's say I'm motivated to give to somebody.
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I'm motivated to give some money. I'm just making this up. Motivated to give some money to somebody.
Going to be a dialogue if I'm paying attention of how I got there.
But then right before I give the money, there's something that's actually even more behind the action.
So it's motivation brought me up. That's like the batter's box.
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You're in the batter's box.
But when you get, you know, I'm sorry, when you're on deck, you're on deck, that is motivation.
But once you get into the batter's box, that is intention.
Because I could be motivated to give money, but right before I give it,
I might have this intention of, well, I'm going to give them money because honestly,
I want them to like me more. I'm a two, so that you know that. That's pretty.
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Two on the Enneagram. I want them to like me more. So that is an intention that
is subtly different than the motivation.
And even in my intention of giving someone money, there's going to be a dialogue
between myself in space-time at this moment.
I'm projecting myself in the future when I give them money i'm
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thinking about how they're going to be acting all of
this stuff you know there's a lot of dialogues going on
and that dialogue partner the
inner diet the inner dialogue as troy says as a good union psychiatrist i think
that might be the unmanaged itself the mirror that we can talk back and forth
with yeah victor as as i've been
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taking in what you've you can say and i remembered the term pain body.
And I feel like while this isn't exactly the pain body,
the pain body is maybe a portion of this type of inner dialogue and where it's
remaining at the lower chakras in some way.
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And so the unmanifested self could be this, as you were saying,
like this mirror in which you're able to better see yourself,
whereas you're not able to really gauge yourself without this inner dialogue or this mirror.
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And so it's allowing you to do it within your own system.
And so I see that also as what the pain body does.
The pain body is allowing you to...
Some some catalyst in in
that way so yeah so this has started
to make a little bit more sense to me and it just is
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going to mirror wherever you are on in
the chakra system yeah as a dialogue partner we're
going to read the next two and i think things might even become
clear so all right session 66 20 questioner i have a written question two of
them actually the first is would you please Please list the polarities within
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the body which are related to the balancing of the energy centers of the various
bodies of the unmanifested entity.
Unmanifested. Rob. I am Rob.
In this question, there lies a great deal of thought which we are appreciating.
It is possible that the question itself may serve to aid meditations upon this particular subject.
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Each manifested self is unique. basic polarities
have to do with the balanced vibratory rates and relationships between the first
three energy centers and to a lesser extent each of the other energy centers
okay so let me let me read one more and then we're going to come back and weigh in.
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Right here we go 71.5 define please
the unmanifested being i am
raw we may see that you wish to pursue the deeper
stratum of information we shall therefore answer
in a certain way which does not exhaust the query but it's designed to move
beneath the outer teachings somewhat the unmanifested being is as we have said
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that being which exists and does its work without reference to or aid from other selves.
To move this, to move into this concept,
you may see the inevitable connection between the unmanifested self and the
metaphysical or time-space analog of the space-time self. Hold on to that, hold on to that.
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The activities of meditation, contemplation, and what what may be called the
internal balancing of thoughts and reactions,
are those activities of the unmanifested self more closely aligned with a metaphysical self.
All right, I'm going to give you what I think they're saying,
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and I'm going to probably be wrong, and then I'd like to ask you what you think they're saying.
So I'm going to really stick with 71.5 here. It seems to me that we have these,
there's actually many different selves, but there's a time-space metaphysical self.
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So this is the self in other areas of the law of one is the self that would
be that field that Fred was talking about.
And he had to leave, unfortunately, but this template, you know,
and it's the self that, that would have the fullness of whatever you might think
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of them a little bit as like the archetypes, like the archetype of the heart,
like a perfected third density heart would exist in this space time area.
Space i'm sorry time space time space the astral but remember time space isn't
more special than space time everybody is so happy and excited about the astral
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planes and whatnot actually,
they're i think the time space nudge
like if you're in time space there's a constant nudge to
want to incarnate into space time
this is where the magic is happening you know
in space time and their bodies so there's almost
a deficiency built into
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time space that wants to get into the incarnate
state so all that's the push of the one infinite creator
is to incarnate and to experience itself in this intensity now from time space
to space time this is the body in space time body that you and i have that evolves
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that grows that learns from catalyst you see and,
we can become what we do become distorted from our time space template why do
we become distorted because that's how we grow so in other words if my time
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space component or analog is is,
you know,
like maybe I did something really not great to somebody in the future.
Then the time-space part of me may have some of that karma. Might.
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And then when I incarnate, maybe I have to do some balancing here.
So this is going to stand as a something that doesn't change throughout the incarnation,
all the karmic patterns that are given to me
but my space-time self can take
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these imbalances and learn to use them for good
you know to balance the karma
and so there's something in the middle and
this is the unmanifested self that dialogues
between the two so as just as we say here the universe the unmanifested self
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is as we have said the being which exists and does its work without reference
to or aid from other selves and then it then ross says you may see this,
inevitable connection between the unmanifested self,
and the metaphysical or time-space self.
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So it's a connection. It's not the same thing. It's a connection.
So can you see there's almost a trinity here?
Time-space self, space-time, and then this unmanifested self in the middle. Troy?
I put in the chat, trying to put my thoughts together on this, Peace.
Layer of inner self that we find when we do go inwardly is this dialogue-y part that you talked about.
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And at least if we're going in an upward direction or a higher direction and
not just pondering our angers, that would be called the noose in Christian theology and Greek.
Do you have any thoughts about the relationship of the unmanifested self to the,
concept of the noose yeah i i think
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that the unmanifested self can channel
the noose i think the unmanifested self can't
do anything unless the manifested self
chooses to do something but it's the partner that
is 100 in solidarity so for
example if if you are
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learning about the ego
structure and how it's maybe maybe my false self
has been leading the charge for all these times i mean the
unmanifested self could even be the false self because it's
dialogue i want to get richer why do you want to get richer because
i'm going to have more power over people you know something like that that dialogue
is the unmanifested self it's the exact mirror where you're at but if our space-time
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version so the self the manifested self you and me right here if we are if we
suffered a kind of suffering,
oh no what do I believe anymore the person I thought I was I see that now as a charade.
That's a dialogue going on too. What do I believe anymore?
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Almost like the unmanifested self is saying, what do you believe?
What do I believe anymore? I don't know. What do you believe?
I'm feeling so much pain. Why?
Because I lived my life in a
way that was not great. wait, what do you want to do? Oh, I want to pray.
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Good idea. Oh, the noose comes down, you know, and then it's maybe there's something.
Obviously, if we're receiving it in the space-time, it's going to have to come
through time-space, and it would come through probably our higher self,
you know, into the time-space analog of our space-time.
So the you and the astral coming through the threshold hold or the beach think
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i think of the unmanifested self as the beach the shoreline it's not ocean.
It's not dry land it's that thing in the middle
see in fact you'll start to
see that everything in the world if there
are two it's always a three you know
like when you're in relationship with somebody it's you and
that person and then that shoreline in between which
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might be the unmanifested self of that relationship you
know this the relationship starts to have an entity or presence
or sentience so the shoreline might be
a way to understand the unmanifested self and i
think that through the shoreline that would be the
conduit where we can get noose danny well
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i yeah this is great and
i i as you keep mentioning the word dialogue it
comes to me how important in dialogue is because
that's kind of the third entity going on
between the small self and this unmanifested self
and it just brought to mind oh the
last of course of love there's a section called dialogue
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unveiled and you know
it it really points out how little dialogue goes
on a lot of times between us all so i
mean we're we're already hearing and projecting and.
We're not really seeing and hearing the other and so
if the small self can learn more about true dialogue that could i think accentuate
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the process you're talking about to to really take some the the the the conversation
that's going on take it to heart on a whole nother level and really stop and listen and.
Take it more seriously is kind of one of the things i'm getting from this take the
inner voice that seems to always
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be exactly where you are at it's very
seriously yeah yeah and and enter
into dialogue like be aware of the ways we really avoid true dialogue most of
the time when we're in more that smaller or ego egoic self kind of fear-based
yeah okay so demarcus and then barbara i'll say what which you wrote here,
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but Demarcus, go ahead and then I'll circle back.
I may butcher this explanation, so y'all stay with me, but as I'm trying to
think about the unmanifested self and visualizing it, I can almost kind of see it as a play or actor.
I was in theater in high school, so when I think about the unmanifested self,
I kind of almost think about it as the actor that's offstage,
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in the state of being offstage.
And then the manifest itself is the state of being onstage, everyone can see
you. I remember being in high school and in plays when I'm offstage,
in the dark, kind of to myself, getting my mind right, reading my script.
And I like that Ross says, you're doing work without the help or without the aid of other selves.
Because when I was offstage, in the dark, reading my script,
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just going over my lines myself, like I said, working on me so that I could
then go out into the manifest student world or the stage and then produce the best form of art.
So I can kind of see the unmanifested self as an actor that's kind of in the wings.
That's kind of in the dark, but there's a direct feedback between the actor
on stage or the manifest itself, and then the actor off stage when the unmanifest.
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So, because you know, if I were to go off stage and goof around,
then I wouldn't be come back in the right mind, or if I'm on stage and I'm not
in the right mind, then myself offstage will be affected by that.
So I don't know if that makes sense, but that's kind of the kind of the image I've been getting.
I love it. I, I think that is really helpful. Thank you.
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What about others? Do you guys like that explanation? Does that help a little bit?
Grand slam there bud okay where does all of this mind chatter fit into this barbara asks,
oh the mind chatter i'm just gonna take a stab at that and i'd love to hear
if you guys have better thoughts or different thoughts the mind chatter i think
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that this is just my guess but But I think in part,
the mind chatter that we have that is like always semi-unconscious could be
bad dialogue between the manifested self and the unmanifested self.
In other words, it's like the manifested self, you, and the unmanifested self
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are really trying to use catalysts well, but they ain't listening to each other.
So it's just like talking over each other and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
And notice, though, that when in psychotherapy techniques, one can become aware
that there is such a thing as mind chatter.
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A lot of us aren't even aware that there's a chattering going on because it's
just so normal, you know.
But when you can become aware of that there's this chatter, then we can become
aware of why are we chattering here or what are these voices that are chattering?
Well, I think the you, the manifested self, the you in this body that is starting
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to become curious about what is going on in me that's creating all of this mind chatter.
It's like I'm just now becoming aware that there's like this conversation going
on that's been annoying, you know?
You that's becoming aware of this chatter and then becomes curious
and then wanting to investigate the nature of this i
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think that might be your manifested self and
your unmanifested self saying what the
heck is going on you know and can
can we get to the nature of this chatter can we do something about it because
i think that that raw says in other places too that the The manifested self
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and the unmanifested self is the dialogical self,
okay? By the way, dia, logos.
Logos, we know what that is. Logos, love and logos. Dia meaning two.
You and your unmanifested self creating a logos.
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There it is. so and and you might even say that you and your time space self
the the astral self in that dialogue between time space and space time is the
unmanifested self that is the diet dia logos,
but regardless it doesn't really matter i think the point is is that the mind
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chatter is cattle is happening,
nature, nurture, and free will, it might be genetic and also are not taking
the catalyst that either happened to us years ago and is now emerging in the
present moment and there's that chatter. Yeah.
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Regardless, the chattering is going on, and when you and your space-time body, yourself,
wakes up to saying, I don't like this chatter anymore, I want to do something
about it, the unmanifested self is like, yeah, I want to do something about it, too.
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We've been trying to talk to each other, no one's getting along here,
you know, because we're not really present to each other.
And so finally the unmanifested self is a dialogue partner to be able to say,
why am i having those thoughts i don't
know well let's think about when we were
younger that's a good idea you know
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maybe i should find somebody to help me yes you
see so like there's this dialogue that maybe we're not really
aware of that's happening and that we
can use it more this unmanifest yeah that
sounds that that that sounds
correct because when you said bad dialogue and the disconnect and i thought
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yes i can separate that from what i call the good dialogue i mean it's just
totally different and when you and to think about i just can't imagine Imagine
not being aware of that mind chat.
But I guess maybe at some point in my life, I was as well.
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Yeah, thank you for that. We are all the frogs boiling until we are aware that
we're boiling. Yeah, yeah.
We'll end here in one minute, but Troy, you had one other thought or question?
I just want to say in the multiple personality literature, there's a phenomena
called the inner self-helper.
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And I always thought of it as a manifestation of news, but it's sort of like
the calm voice of season that is aware of all the personalities. But...
Doesn't come out on its own like a personality.
So it's sort of like a wise older sister or brother or something like that.
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And I wonder if that's kind of a phenomena akin to- It sounds right to me.
It sounds right to me too, Troy.
I think one of the things we'll end
here is as we discover more and more metaphysical things
that law of one says or in other places we start
to see that it's true in lots
of different areas of our life maybe we have thought of it
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different or maybe science discovers it and
calls it something else but all of these congruences we can start to see how
they're metaphysically fitting together so what you said is what psychiatrists
may have discovered and it could Could very well be a great discovery of what
Ra is calling the unmanifested self. Yeah.
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Fantastic conversation. Thank you. This was fun. And go out and have a conversation
with the old, well, the unmanifested self has been talking all the time.
So would somebody like to close us out? Close us out.
I can do it. All right. Thank you. creator thank you for bringing us all together
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this evening and for the wonderful day that we had,
and thank you for bringing up this topic of the unmanifested self so that maybe
we can engage more with this inner dialogue and learn more from it and seek
our hearts deeper thank you and have a great evening everybody,
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amen thank you God bless and next week we'll be doing sharing our catalysts,
we'll see you later good night thank you Doug hope you feel better Troy,
yes sending blessings appreciate it.
So just close our eyes and just imagine breathing right into the heart,
directly into the heart, one deep breath in and out.
And I just ask the one infinite creator to be here with us tonight and to fill
our hearts with your love and to join us with understanding and unity tonight. night.
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May our words sink in and just help us in the highest and best way.
And we give thanks to those unseen friends and those in the inner realms.
And we are so grateful for your assistance.
And we go forth tonight just expressing ourselves as clearly as possible in
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the service to all. Amen.
Amen. Amen. You've really gotten good at that. Really gotten good at it.
All right. So here's tonight's topic that I wanted to just run in and just get out there.
That is the unmanifested self.
Law of one, you know, Ra talking about the unmanifested self.
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So what I thought I would do is share my screen really quickly and And, uh.
I have lots of things that are open that's exciting okay and i'm gonna go to the law of one,
here and i'm gonna go to the unmanifest oops my this is always open it's always open on my screen.
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Unmanifested self let's return
i'm gonna do a little refine action exact phrase here we go So, okay.
So, I'm going to read out loud a couple of passages and maybe we can stop and reflect.
And then if that starts up a nice dialogue, then that'll be great.
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If not, we'll continue to read more.
But I'd like to say one of the reasons why I wanted to bring up the unmanifested
self is, is I feel it is what we use all the time in counseling to help people, to help ourselves.
I think we use the unmanifested self all the time.
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And it'd be nice to see if we can uncover some metaphysics that Ra might give us. All right.
So session 33.16, questioner.
I was thinking possibly the catalyst of physical pain.
How does this, does this go under this heading? And Ra says, I'm Ra.
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This is correct. It's going under the heading of the unmanifested self.
That is the self which does not need other self in order to manifest work.
Okay, so I'm going to read another one and then we'll stop and see if anything is resonating.
34.6.
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Questioner, thank you. Can you give me examples of catalytic action to produce
learning under each of the following headings from the last session we had.
Can you give me an example of the self-unmanifested producing learning catalyst?
The answer, I'm Rob. We observed your interest in the catalyst of pain.
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This experience is most common among your entities.
The pain may be of a physical complex. More often, it is of the mental and emotional complex.
In some few cases, the pain is spiritual in complex nature.
This creates a potential for learning. The lessons to be learned vary.
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Almost always these lessons include patience
tolerance and the ability
for the light touch very often
the catalyst for emotional pain whether it
be the death of the physical complex of another self which
is loved or some other seeming loss
will simply result in the opposite in
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a bitterness and impatience a souring
this is catalyst which has gone awry
in these cases then there will be additional catalyst provided additional catalyst
provided to offer the unmanifest self further opportunities for discovering
the self as all sufficient creator containing all that there is and full of joy.
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Well, intriguing, intriguing. Anybody have any thoughts as to what the unmanifest
self might be just as you're thinking about that?
Or maybe you know already. The unmanifest.
And Demarcus and Victor, welcome to chime in.
I understand the unmanifested self to be the higher self or the magical personality.
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Does that align with your understanding? No, and I have reasons for that,
but I don't think I'm right.
But why would you say it's, how did you draw the link between the unmanifested
self and the higher self? Was there a certain session or two that you remember from that?
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There's a quote channeling that uses the two terms synonymously.
Unmanifested self synonymously with the higher self magical personality.
Yeah. I would think that the unmanifested self is connected to the higher self,
the magical personality.
But I feel like the self is really embedded in our third density environment.
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In other words, it's kind of like you work with the unmanifested self in order
to invoke the magical personnel.
So it's like Jesus saying nobody comes to the Father except to the Son.
Nobody goes to the magical personality except to the unmanifested self.
But anyways i'll talk a little bit more about that in a little bit but i'm not
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saying i'm right i like that what you're saying too victor did you have any
thoughts on that uh no actually i,
i for some reason i i really haven't gone into this i haven't i haven't looked
into it too much but it's interesting so i'm i mean curious on what you have
to say about it anybody else,
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Doug, just when you read the very first thing about physical pain, I believe.
And then it went on to the unmanifested self.
And that made me think, boy, if the physical pain part brought me into the third density experience.
So how did that relate to that? I'm agreeing with you. Oh, okay. Yeah.
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Hey, Doug. This is Fred. I had a question.
You know, when I'm listening to the unmanifested self and listening to this,
It reminds me a little bit of like, and this may be a weird way of crossing
it, but it immediately reminded me of like,
was it Rupert Murdoch and his whole idea of what he says, like,
you know, you're like a plant.
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And I forgot the specific word he said. It's almost like a specific pattern
that, you know, everything has this pattern of what it grows into.
So if we're saying a leaf, a specific oak leaf has a specific pattern that it
grows into, so it's almost like a mapped out or a directed pattern.
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Oh, I wish I could remember the word he used.
Rupert Murdoch, he says that all living things have this, almost like a map
or a destiny or a blueprint that it grows into. to.
Yeah, you're talking about Rupert Sheldrick, right?
Sheldrick, yeah, Sheldrick. That's what I said, Rupert Murdoch.
Boy, that was really, that was a Freudian. Well, you got Rupert, right?
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Yeah, I had Rupert, right. But yeah, Sheldon, yeah.
So that, oh, what did he call it? It almost, when you said those two names,
it almost clicked. What do you call it? Energy fields or?
It's like an energy field. And he says, and so I'm wondering,
is an unmanifested self almost like an energy field that we are called to in
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our development, almost like a mapping toward higher self.
Well, I think that's a wonderful, open-ended question. Maybe that'll manifest
as we talk, manifesting the unmanifest.
Maybe that'll emerge as we talk a little bit or read a little bit more.
But let's hold that intention. That's good.
Doug, I can also see the unmanifest self being our time-space portion of us
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that's outside of the space-time illusion.
Like you said, that is directly influenced by the higher self.
Yeah. Yeah, that's, I lean more in that particular place.
As we will read a little bit more, this is one of the nuances that I'm interested
in discovering with you is maybe the unmanifested self is actually a third.
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So it's not necessarily the space-time, it's not fully the time-space,
but it has, it's kind of that intermediary self that we can work with directly.
But let's continue here. Okay.
Okay, let's go to 34 point. Well, let's go up here. Okay. Sorry.
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34.7. Do what we call contagious diseases play any part in this process with
respect to the unmanifested self? I am raw.
These so-called contagious contagious diseases are those entities of second
density which offer an opportunity for this type of catalyst.
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If this catalyst is unneeded, then these second density creatures,
as you would call them, do not have an effect.
In each of these generalizations, you may please note that there are anomalies
so that we cannot speak to every circumstance but only to the general run or
way of things as you experience them.
Thank you. 34.9.
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Thank you. Would you give me the same type of information about the self in
relation to the societal self?
I know that there was something, I think there was a session missing there in
between, but that's okay.
Ra, I am Ra, the unmanifested self may find its lessons, those which develop
any of the energy influx centers of the mind-body-spirit complex.
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I'm going to read that again.
The unmanifested self may find its lessons, those which develop any of the energy
influx centers of the mind-body-spirit complex.
The societal and self-interactions most often concentrate upon the second and third energy centers.
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Thus, those most active in attempting to remake or alter the society are those
working from feelings of being correct personally or of having answers which
will put power in a more correct configuration. figuration.
This may be seen to be a full travel from negative to positive in orientation.
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Either will activate these rays.
Lastly, there are some few whose desires to aid society are of a green ray nature or above.
These entities, however, are few due to the understanding,
may we say a fourth ray
that universal love freely given is more to
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be desired than principalities or even
the arrange rearrangement of people's or political
structures okay so we have this sense now that the unmanifested self has something
to learn may find its lessons those which develop any of the energy influx centers
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of the mind body spirit Hmm.
Any thoughts on that?
I have a thought maybe like yellow ray or yellow chakra relating to others and the unmanifest of,
you know, showing up to building forth and relating to others at, you know, 759.
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And then you manifest it into relating to others and actually showing up.
And so it's got both
i can choose to manifest going and relating
or manifest not going and staying yeah okay
i like it that's that's interesting and good anybody else have some thoughts
so far i i noticed that you know it's talking about lessons in all of the energy
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centers and also that it's specific to the mind-body-spirit.
And so that does indicate to me that this isn't specifically the higher self
in the way that you were talking about it.
And so there's something there about lessons in this incarnation, in this experience.
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Yeah. I'm going to read the next one and then I'm going to throw out a couple of thoughts.
Oh, Troy, you had something. thing in the many worlds hypothesis there are parallel
timelines and choices that we make mean that i manifest in this timeline in
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a certain way but all these other timelines are.
Other directions my life could go is that do you think that relates at all to
to and those those are unmanifested.
So does that relate at all to this, these that you're developing?
I see where you were trying to draw the line there.
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I don't think it does because the way that I'm, the way that I think Ra is talking
about, well, let's go to the next one.
That might clear up some things. I'll read it out loud.
34.12, questioner. I thought that that was correct, but I wasn't sure.
Can you give me the same type of information that we have been getting here
with respect to the unmanifested self interacting between self and gadgets?
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Gadgets okay so this is interesting self and
iphone or android self and
computer self and car right so now we have
like uh there's there's subject object all
right here we go i am wrong in this particular instance we again concentrate
for the most part in the orange and yellow ray centers in the negative sense
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many of the gadgets among your peoples that is what you call your communication
devices and other distractions,
such as the less competitive games,
may be seen to have the distortion of keeping the mind-body-spirit complex unactivated
so that the yellow and orange ray activity is much weakened,
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thus carefully decreasing the possibility of eventual green ray activation.
Others of your gadgets may be seen to be tools whereby the entity explores the
capabilities of its physical or mental complex,
and in some few cases, the spiritual complex, thus activating the orange ray
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in what you call your team sports and in other gadgets, such as your modes of transportation.
These may be seen to be ways of investigating the feelings of power,
more especially power over others or a group power over another group of others, right?
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So, this is interesting because now we have subject-object and we're always
talking about how our use of gadgets can distract us,
keep us in some senses if they move into a
level of numbing out maybe can
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keep us from that nagging
little nudge of i could be doing more or am i working towards my vocation or
am i scratching that spiritual itch you know those kinds of so what might that
nagging little itch have,
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have that those voices of you're wasting your time.
What might that be? I think we call it our conscience in sort of the common
lexicon, the conscience.
Think that what if
the unmanifested self or something like the
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dialogue partner that you and i
have when we're talking to ourselves and
the dialogue partner is it's
us but in the it's like a subject to subject it's a conversation it's almost
as if you were talking to yourself in the mirror but the mirror doesn't have
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to be and I think for those of us and I'll speak for myself whenever I'm numbing
out on things that numb me out,
I'm not having any dialogue I'm not having I'm wanting to numb out and not think
about things or feel a lack of motivation you know things kind of grind to a halt a little bit.
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And when it's gone on long enough, I might start feeling a nudge to do something different.
Maybe that's part of the unmanifested self.
But it seems to be that there's this dialogue that's happening between self
and self in third density.
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And maybe it might be the guardian angel you know that christians have this
notion of the guardian angel maybe that's.
Another way to understand it but it's the sense of the self that is something
that we we can talk to and it doesn't mean it's elevated it's matching exactly
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where you're at so for example Example,
if you and I are having a dialogue,
if you have a dialogue and the voice is numinous, you know,
it's seemingly coming from a higher place,
you know, maybe that is the higher self.
But oftentimes we might
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be having dialogues with ourselves and maybe
in therapy we we might call it the stinking thinking
or defense mechanisms you know
earlier defense mechanisms that were not really
good at we don't need anymore that we
used when we were younger and it could
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be that if we learn how to dialogue with that
self that's all that yourself
that's also right there you can start asking like we do in therapy is do i really
need to be thinking this thought am i free to not think these thoughts is going
down this trajectory of rumination actually helping me love and and all that
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well you're talking to somebody when you're doing that and
you're talking to yourself, but it's not you. It's also you.
It's what do you think?
Elizabeth? I feel like I'm getting myself confused with these thoughts.
I'm trying to take what you're talking about, about gadgets and our relationship
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with the unmanifested self and
going back up to that idea of pain that you might be having physically.
Is it the thoughts that we have regarding the suffering or the pain that we're feeling?
It's saying, what are you doing with the thoughts about your own manifested
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body, you have cancer, you're going through cancer.
What are the thoughts that you're having about your cancer?
Is it leading you to not learn the lessons that are going to help you move higher,
but are keeping you trapped?
Is that how that connects with the gadgets that we use?
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Or it's processing these things that happen to us in this third density life,
that either it can work to our advantage for growth and love and manifesting
higher ways of being, or our thoughts are going to do just the opposite of that.
I'm trying to see how these things mesh with each other. And maybe I'm way off
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base about that. I don't know. No, I think you're fine.
I love that you're grappling with this. Danny, I see your hand raised.
Give me just one second and I'll call on you.
With the idea of, we are here in third density to do lots of things.
And obviously the biggest one is to continue to grow.
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We're developing, you know, psycho-spiritually evolving, you know.
And the only way we can evolve is through karmic balances and imbalances.
Imbalances aren't bad. They're the reason why we can grow.
And then we learn to harmonize, balance and harmonize, you know?
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But how we do that, we're given lots of opportunities to make choices of using
catalysts that come to us to grow if that's what we want to do, you know.
And I think that when we make a choice, and this is one of the things that psychotherapy
has taught me, and try it out in your own experience maybe, huh?
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But when we make a choice, there's going to be a dialogue taking place a little bit. it.
I mean, just notice in your own inside your head, there's going to be dialogue.
Okay, I'm feeling really sick today. I have a choice to just deal with this
and embrace it, even though I don't like it.
Or I'm feeling really bitter, all of that stuff.
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But then the question is, is what do I want to do with that? I mean,
there's a there's a subtle dialogue going And I think Ra is saying that you
can actually learn to use what is always and everywhere been there for every
incarnation, the unmanifested self.
You can use this very directly because it is you in a subject to subject form.
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And that voice can maybe
help us to make decisions because
between the two of us if i could the manifested self and the unmanifested self
that will produce a decision and then the decision gets flushed all the way
through from the unmanifested self into the manifested self into the world.
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You and I make this, your unmanifested self can't do anything because it's not manifested.
Our manifested body is the cutting edge of all of this.
But how does the manifested body get there? Through dialogue.
That's just a speculation I have.
Danny, did you have any thoughts and anybody else have any thoughts? Danny, go ahead.
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And something you said just in your response there, I think you said something like.
Something that stays through incarnations that, I'm not sure what you said,
but my thought was, you know, if the idea is for the divineness,
our divine beingness to manifest,
am I right in that, even within the raw sense?
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So the small self is what is manifested.
I was wondering, to me, in my model of my own spirituality,
I would liken it, the manifested self, to the soul in terms of,
okay, there's a true self that is my truest divine identity,
but then there's this state of separation into this soul that has many incarnations
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that is growing in its awareness of divinity.
And so there's greater manifestations of truth eventuating.
So that third in-between that you were talking about, to me,
I was likening it to, say, what I understand for myself as the soul.
And I don't know if there's, not knowing the raw material very well,
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if there are other discussions about soul.
But that seems to fit the model for me, that it's carrying a level of truth
and divinity above what I'm really aware of in my small self.
But it comes through in synchronicities and.
Moments where I may be doing something else, you know, there may be even playing
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a video game, but some element of truth comes through to me about what's going on in the game,
you know, and just, you know, those enlightenments that come that maybe come
from that part of us that does carry a greater wisdom that I kind of think might be soul.
I love it. I think the unmanifested self is not totally equivalent to the soul,
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but I think it is a part of the soul.
Ra later on will talk about the significant self, the significant self,
the meaning-making self that tends to go from lifetime to lifetime to lifetime.
And I've often thought about that as being, I mean, it is unmanifested,
but it's not the same as the unmanifested self.
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But I think it's a part of it. you might even say
that the unmanifested self is the
significant self in that incarnation but
the unmanifested self doesn't go from
incarnation to incarnation it's it's kind of like the significant self does
that but the unmanifested self you're right it is a way to if you're getting
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a synchronicity notice again next time we have synchronicities notice that that
there's going to be a subtle dialogue.
Oh, I'm noticing that. I wonder what that can mean. I wonder how that is.
Wonder where that comes from.
You know, like those are, those are dialogues that we start to have with ourself.
And I think that in part is the unmanifested self through which our soul or higher self can speak.
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It's kind of like that mediator. Yeah. Troy.
I'm perplexed at why Ra chose that term.
It seems like he could have called it the inner dialogue or any number of things,
but he chose unmanifested.
And any idea of what his thinking was in that regard?
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Well, I think in part, a lot of Wanderers from the raw group are here sending
messages back home saying, you need to brush up on your English.
That it's just
not it's not playing out well here homie but i
i think that inner dialogue is the
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unmanifested self but notice like when you are in relationship with somebody
else or are the actions you're making you know that is your manifested self
space time physical self but how we get there how we get to every action is
going to be in a dialogue because even if i'm I'm doing something like,
let's say I'm motivated to give to somebody.
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I'm motivated to give some money. I'm just making this up. Motivated to give some money to somebody.
Going to be a dialogue if I'm paying attention of how I got there.
But then right before I give the money, there's something that's actually even more behind the action.
So it's motivation brought me up. That's like the batter's box.
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You're in the batter's box.
But when you get, you know, I'm sorry, when you're on deck, you're on deck, that is motivation.
But once you get into the batter's box, that is intention.
Because I could be motivated to give money, but right before I give it,
I might have this intention of, well, I'm going to give them money because honestly,
I want them to like me more. I'm a two, so that you know that. That's pretty.
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Two on the Enneagram. I want them to like me more. So that is an intention that
is subtly different than the motivation.
And even in my intention of giving someone money, there's going to be a dialogue
between myself in space-time at this moment.
I'm projecting myself in the future when I give them money i'm
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thinking about how they're going to be acting all of
this stuff you know there's a lot of dialogues going on
and that dialogue partner the
inner diet the inner dialogue as troy says as a good union psychiatrist i think
that might be the unmanaged itself the mirror that we can talk back and forth
with yeah victor as as i've been
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taking in what you've you can say and i remembered the term pain body.
And I feel like while this isn't exactly the pain body,
the pain body is maybe a portion of this type of inner dialogue and where it's
remaining at the lower chakras in some way.
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And so the unmanifested self could be this, as you were saying,
like this mirror in which you're able to better see yourself,
whereas you're not able to really gauge yourself without this inner dialogue or this mirror.
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And so it's allowing you to do it within your own system.
And so I see that also as what the pain body does.
The pain body is allowing you to...
Some some catalyst in in
that way so yeah so this has started
to make a little bit more sense to me and it just is
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going to mirror wherever you are on in
the chakra system yeah as a dialogue partner we're
going to read the next two and i think things might even become
clear so all right session 66 20 questioner i have a written question two of
them actually the first is would you please Please list the polarities within
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the body which are related to the balancing of the energy centers of the various
bodies of the unmanifested entity.
Unmanifested. Rob. I am Rob.
In this question, there lies a great deal of thought which we are appreciating.
It is possible that the question itself may serve to aid meditations upon this particular subject.
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Each manifested self is unique. basic polarities
have to do with the balanced vibratory rates and relationships between the first
three energy centers and to a lesser extent each of the other energy centers
okay so let me let me read one more and then we're going to come back and weigh in.
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Right here we go 71.5 define please
the unmanifested being i am
raw we may see that you wish to pursue the deeper
stratum of information we shall therefore answer
in a certain way which does not exhaust the query but it's designed to move
beneath the outer teachings somewhat the unmanifested being is as we have said
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that being which exists and does its work without reference to or aid from other selves.
To move this, to move into this concept,
you may see the inevitable connection between the unmanifested self and the
metaphysical or time-space analog of the space-time self. Hold on to that, hold on to that.
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The activities of meditation, contemplation, and what what may be called the
internal balancing of thoughts and reactions,
are those activities of the unmanifested self more closely aligned with a metaphysical self.
All right, I'm going to give you what I think they're saying,
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and I'm going to probably be wrong, and then I'd like to ask you what you think they're saying.
So I'm going to really stick with 71.5 here. It seems to me that we have these,
there's actually many different selves, but there's a time-space metaphysical self.
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So this is the self in other areas of the law of one is the self that would
be that field that Fred was talking about.
And he had to leave, unfortunately, but this template, you know,
and it's the self that, that would have the fullness of whatever you might think
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of them a little bit as like the archetypes, like the archetype of the heart,
like a perfected third density heart would exist in this space time area.
Space i'm sorry time space time space the astral but remember time space isn't
more special than space time everybody is so happy and excited about the astral
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planes and whatnot actually,
they're i think the time space nudge
like if you're in time space there's a constant nudge to
want to incarnate into space time
this is where the magic is happening you know
in space time and their bodies so there's almost
a deficiency built into
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time space that wants to get into the incarnate
state so all that's the push of the one infinite creator
is to incarnate and to experience itself in this intensity now from time space
to space time this is the body in space time body that you and i have that evolves
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that grows that learns from catalyst you see and,
we can become what we do become distorted from our time space template why do
we become distorted because that's how we grow so in other words if my time
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space component or analog is is,
you know,
like maybe I did something really not great to somebody in the future.
Then the time-space part of me may have some of that karma. Might.
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And then when I incarnate, maybe I have to do some balancing here.
So this is going to stand as a something that doesn't change throughout the incarnation,
all the karmic patterns that are given to me
but my space-time self can take
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these imbalances and learn to use them for good
you know to balance the karma
and so there's something in the middle and
this is the unmanifested self that dialogues
between the two so as just as we say here the universe the unmanifested self
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is as we have said the being which exists and does its work without reference
to or aid from other selves and then it then ross says you may see this,
inevitable connection between the unmanifested self,
and the metaphysical or time-space self.
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So it's a connection. It's not the same thing. It's a connection.
So can you see there's almost a trinity here?
Time-space self, space-time, and then this unmanifested self in the middle. Troy?
I put in the chat, trying to put my thoughts together on this, Peace.
Layer of inner self that we find when we do go inwardly is this dialogue-y part that you talked about.
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And at least if we're going in an upward direction or a higher direction and
not just pondering our angers, that would be called the noose in Christian theology and Greek.
Do you have any thoughts about the relationship of the unmanifested self to the,
concept of the noose yeah i i think
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that the unmanifested self can channel
the noose i think the unmanifested self can't
do anything unless the manifested self
chooses to do something but it's the partner that
is 100 in solidarity so for
example if if you are
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learning about the ego
structure and how it's maybe maybe my false self
has been leading the charge for all these times i mean the
unmanifested self could even be the false self because it's
dialogue i want to get richer why do you want to get richer because
i'm going to have more power over people you know something like that that dialogue
is the unmanifested self it's the exact mirror where you're at but if our space-time
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version so the self the manifested self you and me right here if we are if we
suffered a kind of suffering,
oh no what do I believe anymore the person I thought I was I see that now as a charade.
That's a dialogue going on too. What do I believe anymore?
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Almost like the unmanifested self is saying, what do you believe?
What do I believe anymore? I don't know. What do you believe?
I'm feeling so much pain. Why?
Because I lived my life in a
way that was not great. wait, what do you want to do? Oh, I want to pray.
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Good idea. Oh, the noose comes down, you know, and then it's maybe there's something.
Obviously, if we're receiving it in the space-time, it's going to have to come
through time-space, and it would come through probably our higher self,
you know, into the time-space analog of our space-time.
So the you and the astral coming through the threshold hold or the beach think
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i think of the unmanifested self as the beach the shoreline it's not ocean.
It's not dry land it's that thing in the middle
see in fact you'll start to
see that everything in the world if there
are two it's always a three you know
like when you're in relationship with somebody it's you and
that person and then that shoreline in between which
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might be the unmanifested self of that relationship you
know this the relationship starts to have an entity or presence
or sentience so the shoreline might be
a way to understand the unmanifested self and i
think that through the shoreline that would be the
conduit where we can get noose danny well
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i yeah this is great and
i i as you keep mentioning the word dialogue it
comes to me how important in dialogue is because
that's kind of the third entity going on
between the small self and this unmanifested self
and it just brought to mind oh the
last of course of love there's a section called dialogue
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unveiled and you know
it it really points out how little dialogue goes
on a lot of times between us all so i
mean we're we're already hearing and projecting and.
We're not really seeing and hearing the other and so
if the small self can learn more about true dialogue that could i think accentuate
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the process you're talking about to to really take some the the the the conversation
that's going on take it to heart on a whole nother level and really stop and listen and.
Take it more seriously is kind of one of the things i'm getting from this take the
inner voice that seems to always
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be exactly where you are at it's very
seriously yeah yeah and and enter
into dialogue like be aware of the ways we really avoid true dialogue most of
the time when we're in more that smaller or ego egoic self kind of fear-based
yeah okay so demarcus and then barbara i'll say what which you wrote here,
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but Demarcus, go ahead and then I'll circle back.
I may butcher this explanation, so y'all stay with me, but as I'm trying to
think about the unmanifested self and visualizing it, I can almost kind of see it as a play or actor.
I was in theater in high school, so when I think about the unmanifested self,
I kind of almost think about it as the actor that's offstage,
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in the state of being offstage.
And then the manifest itself is the state of being onstage, everyone can see
you. I remember being in high school and in plays when I'm offstage,
in the dark, kind of to myself, getting my mind right, reading my script.
And I like that Ross says, you're doing work without the help or without the aid of other selves.
Because when I was offstage, in the dark, reading my script,
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just going over my lines myself, like I said, working on me so that I could
then go out into the manifest student world or the stage and then produce the best form of art.
So I can kind of see the unmanifested self as an actor that's kind of in the wings.
That's kind of in the dark, but there's a direct feedback between the actor
on stage or the manifest itself, and then the actor off stage when the unmanifest.
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So, because you know, if I were to go off stage and goof around,
then I wouldn't be come back in the right mind, or if I'm on stage and I'm not
in the right mind, then myself offstage will be affected by that.
So I don't know if that makes sense, but that's kind of the kind of the image I've been getting.
I love it. I, I think that is really helpful. Thank you.
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What about others? Do you guys like that explanation? Does that help a little bit?
Grand slam there bud okay where does all of this mind chatter fit into this barbara asks,
oh the mind chatter i'm just gonna take a stab at that and i'd love to hear
if you guys have better thoughts or different thoughts the mind chatter i think
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that this is just my guess but But I think in part,
the mind chatter that we have that is like always semi-unconscious could be
bad dialogue between the manifested self and the unmanifested self.
In other words, it's like the manifested self, you, and the unmanifested self
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are really trying to use catalysts well, but they ain't listening to each other.
So it's just like talking over each other and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
And notice, though, that when in psychotherapy techniques, one can become aware
that there is such a thing as mind chatter.
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A lot of us aren't even aware that there's a chattering going on because it's
just so normal, you know.
But when you can become aware of that there's this chatter, then we can become
aware of why are we chattering here or what are these voices that are chattering?
Well, I think the you, the manifested self, the you in this body that is starting
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to become curious about what is going on in me that's creating all of this mind chatter.
It's like I'm just now becoming aware that there's like this conversation going
on that's been annoying, you know?
You that's becoming aware of this chatter and then becomes curious
and then wanting to investigate the nature of this i
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think that might be your manifested self and
your unmanifested self saying what the
heck is going on you know and can
can we get to the nature of this chatter can we do something about it because
i think that that raw says in other places too that the The manifested self
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and the unmanifested self is the dialogical self,
okay? By the way, dia, logos.
Logos, we know what that is. Logos, love and logos. Dia meaning two.
You and your unmanifested self creating a logos.
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There it is. so and and you might even say that you and your time space self
the the astral self in that dialogue between time space and space time is the
unmanifested self that is the diet dia logos,
but regardless it doesn't really matter i think the point is is that the mind
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chatter is cattle is happening,
nature, nurture, and free will, it might be genetic and also are not taking
the catalyst that either happened to us years ago and is now emerging in the
present moment and there's that chatter. Yeah.
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Regardless, the chattering is going on, and when you and your space-time body, yourself,
wakes up to saying, I don't like this chatter anymore, I want to do something
about it, the unmanifested self is like, yeah, I want to do something about it, too.
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We've been trying to talk to each other, no one's getting along here,
you know, because we're not really present to each other.
And so finally the unmanifested self is a dialogue partner to be able to say,
why am i having those thoughts i don't
know well let's think about when we were
younger that's a good idea you know
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maybe i should find somebody to help me yes you
see so like there's this dialogue that maybe we're not really
aware of that's happening and that we
can use it more this unmanifest yeah that
sounds that that that sounds
correct because when you said bad dialogue and the disconnect and i thought
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yes i can separate that from what i call the good dialogue i mean it's just
totally different and when you and to think about i just can't imagine Imagine
not being aware of that mind chat.
But I guess maybe at some point in my life, I was as well.
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Yeah, thank you for that. We are all the frogs boiling until we are aware that
we're boiling. Yeah, yeah.
We'll end here in one minute, but Troy, you had one other thought or question?
I just want to say in the multiple personality literature, there's a phenomena
called the inner self-helper.
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And I always thought of it as a manifestation of news, but it's sort of like
the calm voice of season that is aware of all the personalities. But...
Doesn't come out on its own like a personality.
So it's sort of like a wise older sister or brother or something like that.
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And I wonder if that's kind of a phenomena akin to- It sounds right to me.
It sounds right to me too, Troy.
I think one of the things we'll end
here is as we discover more and more metaphysical things
that law of one says or in other places we start
to see that it's true in lots
of different areas of our life maybe we have thought of it
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different or maybe science discovers it and
calls it something else but all of these congruences we can start to see how
they're metaphysically fitting together so what you said is what psychiatrists
may have discovered and it could Could very well be a great discovery of what
Ra is calling the unmanifested self. Yeah.
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Fantastic conversation. Thank you. This was fun. And go out and have a conversation
with the old, well, the unmanifested self has been talking all the time.
So would somebody like to close us out? Close us out.
I can do it. All right. Thank you. creator thank you for bringing us all together
(50:08):
this evening and for the wonderful day that we had,
and thank you for bringing up this topic of the unmanifested self so that maybe
we can engage more with this inner dialogue and learn more from it and seek
our hearts deeper thank you and have a great evening everybody,
(50:30):
amen thank you God bless and next week we'll be doing sharing our catalysts,
we'll see you later good night thank you Doug hope you feel better Troy,
yes sending blessings appreciate it.
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