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November 11, 2025 62 mins

In this episode of The CIRS Group podcast, Barbara and her guest co-host, Dr. Christian Navarro-Torres, discuss the potential connection between chronic illness and mold exposure, focusing on reality TV star Mikayla Matthews from "The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives." They'll explore Matthews' health journey, discuss potential chronic inflammatory response syndrome (CIRS) symptoms, and highlight the importance of accurate diagnosis and effective treatment (The Shoemaker Protocol). They delve into the scientific foundation of CIRS, the role of genetics, and the significance of environmental triggers. The episode aims to raise awareness about CIRS, offer guidance on diagnosis and treatment options, and share personal insights into managing chronic illness. This is NOT medical advice, please consult a CIRS-literate doctor for diagnosis and treatment. For more information and support, visit https://thecirsgroup.com

00:00 Introduction 01:03 Who we are, and what is Chronic Inflammatory Response Syndrome (CIRS) 02:20 Disclaimer and why we are commenting on Mikayla Matthews 03:50 What is The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives? 05:00 Trigger Warning, opportunity to raise awareness 05:40 Mikayla Matthews' childhood and history of exposure 07:20 The CIRS and Eczema connection 08:03 Understanding CIRS and its symptoms 10:00 Her father's Parkinson's and the genetic factor in CIRS 13:11 Link between CIRS and neurodegenerative diseases 18:05 How trauma and abuse triggers chronic illness like CIRS 23:10 Mikayla's symptoms: eczema, allergies, mollescum, candida, anxiety, pain, vertigo 28:00 Labwork to order when you have Eczema: a-MSH, VEGF, MMP9 33:20 How to get a CIRS Diagnosis: symptoms and tests 42:09 Why therapies Mikayla Matthews tried but didn't work 45:50 Why urinary mycotoxin tests don't work 49:17 Why specific binders are key to healing from mold illness or CIRS 53:04 How to test your home for mold 57:00 CIRS can allow other infections to take hold 58:00 How to find a doctor to help you heal 59:05 You CAN heal with the right treatment protocol (Shoemaker)

For more information and support, visit https://thecirsgroup.com Work with Dr. Christian Navarro Torres: https://www.cirslab.com/ This episode is a reaction to the podcast interview Mikayla did re: her childhood/history: https://youtu.be/csQJIaNht6A?si=jZyHlzcU3a4cV_bq

HELPFUL LINKS: How to check if a CIRS diagnosis is the answer to your chronic health issues: Symptom Clusters: https://www.instagram.com/p/DIsxBShy0bd/ VCS Test: https://www.survivingmold.com/store/online-vcs-screening HLA DR Genetic Test: https://www.lifeextension.com/lab-testing/itemlc100087/hla-dr-mold-genetic-test Dust test your home for mold: https://www.envirobiomics.com/product/ermi/ Dust test your home for endotoxins (poop): https://www.envirobiomics.com/product/e-endotoxin/ Dust test your home for actino bacteria: https://www.envirobiomics.com/product/actino-test/ Find a Shoemaker certified doctor: https://www.survivingmold.com/shoemaker-protocol Published research to explain CIRS to your doctor: https://www.survivingmold.com/Downloads/Dooley-McMahon_Final_Publication_-_3-30-2020.pdf Published research on the diagnostic process for CIRS: https://www.survivingmold.com/Publications/CIRS_diagnostic_protocol_final_5_1_2018.pdf What is CIRS?: https://www.thecirsgroup.com/blog/what-is-cirs/ Our "What is CIRS?" podcast episode: https://youtu.be/eqso4R0cQhg Learn more about the Brain MRI called the NeuroQuant: https://youtu.be/Lc_LfUeiYTM Join The CIRS Group community: https://www.thecirsgroup.com/membership/

Order Jacie's book! The 30 Day Carnivore Bootcamp: https://a.co/d/7MgHrRs

The CIRS Group: Support Community: https://thecirsgroup.com Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thecirsgroup/

Find Jacie for carnivore, lifestyle and limbic resources: Jacie’s book on the Carnivore diet!  https://a.co/d/8ZKCqz0 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ladycarnivory YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@LadyCarnivory Blog: https://www.ladycarnivory.com/

Find Barbara for business/finance tips and coaching: Website: https://www.actlikebarbara.com/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/actlikebarbara/ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@actlikebarbara

Jacie is a Shoemaker certified Proficiency Partner, NASM certified nutrition coach, author, and carnivore recipe developer determined to share the life changing information of carnivore and CIRS to anyone who will listen. Barbara is a business and fitness coach, CIRS and ADHD advocate, writer, speaker, and a big fan of health and freedom. Together, they co-founded The CIRS Group, an online support community to help people that are struggling with their CIRS diagnosis and treatment.

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