Episode 82 - Guilt (Series Three) (2023) - The Culture Swally

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[Music]

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Hello and welcome to the Culture Swally, a podcast dedicated to Scottish news and pop culture.
My name is Nicky and I'm joined as always by the man who has been practicing his Zen
and feels a great sense of serenity.
It's Greg, how are you today Greg?
I'm fine.
Because of the miracle of technology or listeners probably think that it's just been two weeks since the last time we recorded an episode

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but actually, been about a month because we had some and we had the holiday.
Yeah, I think I did mention on the last episode Young Adam that we were banking episodes because you had a little holiday
and we said that we were going to be meeting up in Amsterdam, and we did.
We met up and had a lovely evening out for dinner and then a lovely afternoon together.

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Smashing quite a smashing pints next to the canals, watching the world go by and putting it to rights.
Yeah, yeah, a great afternoon.
It's a lovely place.
Yeah, so yeah, it's been like a month since we recorded, so I don't know if it will be.
Let's try to remember how to do it.
Yeah, exactly, that's what I was saying.

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Exactly the words I was looking for.
I'm stumbling on them, you're in there.
Like when I was setting up and stuff and I'm trying to like test it a little bit of recording and I'm like,
"That sounds a bit shit, is it all be sounded like that?"
I don't know, it's been so long since we've done it.
Yeah, because we banked like three in like a week.
Yeah, it's taken a bit of time.
But yeah, so you had a lovely time in Scotland, did you?

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Did you? I did the UCI cycling was on to the delight of some, to the annoyance of others because it involved closing quite a lot of streets in the city centre and quite a little bit of cycling.
Which if you're a factor of thing then it was very interesting.
They go really fast, those guys on their bikes.
And yeah, just really back in my own house, went through the loft, found some old photographs of some photographs of us

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when our youth on the trip to Glasgow, that you and your mutual friend made and your other mutual friend.
So we documented the adventures they're of.
So yeah, back, it was nice being there and nice getting round Glasgow.
The most surprising thing and I think I mentioned this to you when I saw you.

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It was a very famous pub beside Queen Street station called Sammy Dows.
Been there certainly for a long time in the member.
I think everyone might even mention it in train spotting and the chapter when Tommy comes through to Glasgow for a biggie pop.
And it's a bit of an old man's pub despite the fact that it's also a bit of an institution over 18s only, obviously.

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So my cousin and I, my cousin and I were in there having a couple of pints one Saturday waiting for the train.
And I went to relieve myself in a gent some surprise to find a baby changing table.

It's incredible.
Judging by some of the characters that were in there, I suspect that probably flat surfaces were required.

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But I'm sure that's not why it's there.
There hasn't been such a scandal since the grill installed a ladies toilet in Aberdeen.
Yeah, it's funny you mentioned that. Remember, yeah, Sammy Dows.
A bit near a couple of times.
I remember one time I think I was, I can't even remember why I was in Glasgow.
I must have been for something.
And I think I had, like, maybe an hour or two before my train.

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And I'd done kind of everything else I could do.
So I remember going to the train station, getting a copy of Viz and then going to Sammy Dows.
And just sitting having a couple of pints and reading things and chuckle and away it myself.
Probably.
Was it, probably, luckily I made that alive, actually?

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Was it maybe that time when you were working at Revolution in Aberdeen?
And I think they were sort of courting you perhaps as a potential manager, not re-thizing that, of course, you had.
You see, the one interested in that, but I remember you coming down to Glasgow.
I remember one of the managers asking you, you can go into Glasgow with her,
go down for a meeting or something like that, because obviously they were in Revolution being a UK chain of pubs.

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And I believe it still is.
And I think you just came down and just said, I told about in a city centre for the day,
going to pubs and stuff, having a look in the shops and then came back up with that afterwards.
I think that was, that's probably exactly one of the worst.
No, I think about it because they're on my own and it must have been.
I remember I think I sent Manchester one time as well, me and this other guy will work with the Revolution.

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And again, it was because they were courting us to be managers.
I got fucking hammered that on the evening.
And I remember the next day, we were literally halfway through the training.
And Will and I were like, I can't be fucking asked for this.
Let's just say our train is earlier than it actually is, because we've got a gold way back up to Aberdeen.

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They're not going to have a fucking clue.
So literally about lunchtime, we did say the guy, we're going to have to leave in like an hour because our train,
and he was like, what?
What's the point if you come all down here?
Well, I was sorry, it was just the train that was booked.
And he was like, oh, well, it's not great, but okay, fair enough, nothing we can do.
And then we just went to the pub for about three hours and then went to Burger King and then...

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Got the train.
Like five hours later.
It just couldn't be asked.
Oh dear.
Anyway, never mind.
But yes, Sally Dows are wonderful.
Yeah, baby changing table.
That's impressive.
Well, hey, it's the amazing things that you see in pub toilets.

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I think we spoke on...
I can't even remember if it was the last episode or the episode before,
because we recorded them in quick succession edit them,
what I was speaking about buying blow-up sheep in the Gens toilets.
So yeah, funny things that you see in pub toilets nowadays.
Indeed.
Indeed.

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Anyway, it's been a few weeks since we've galloped through the murky depths of the Scottish use.
Should we have a look?
Cue the jungle.
Hello!

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This is the out there heavily for a casting code narration.
And here is what's been going on in the news.
Oh, okay Greg.
What have you seen in the last few weeks for the last month or so?
Around Scotland that has caught your eye and you'd like to share with me and our lovely listeners?
Well, this one is from a couple of weeks ago, the 16th of August.

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It's from the Scottish sun.
The headline needs Rocketman,
Elwyn John, tribute singer, and magician, caught with £100,000 worth of cocaine in the boot of his car.
Perhaps taking the tribute act a bit too far earlier, Colin.
So this is Colin Lough, 57 from Hamilton.

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He told jurors that he had no idea there was a cue of cocaine stashed away in one of his stage lights.
He was stopped on the A34 in Oxfordshire on Friby to the 13th.
Jurors heard how in another set of rapings in the back of his Mercedes was £992 grams of benzocaine,

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a substance used as a cutting agent for the classy drug.
Lough, who goes by his stage name Hamilton John in a nod to his hometown claimed he was completely unaware he was heading south with cocaine worth about £25,000 in the wholesale market and £100,000 in the street.
He was on his way from Scotland to Bournemouth where his son lives.

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In order to sing a number of gigs over Valentine's Week, because apparently Valentine's Day is now a week.
Lough, who spent a month on demand, his majesty's prison, Bollington, was bailed after an ex SFA referee, Mike McCurray, a church minister and a febberl member of the magic circle in Scotland posted £30,000 security with the court.

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Lough claimed to have told in acquaintance Charlie, whose surname he did not know, and who he knew by the nickname Chooks.
Chooks about his trip. He claimed that the man asked him to take some cigarettes in the car when he drove south and offered to pay £200 towards the fuel.
Lough agreed that the man could put the cigarettes in a storage box he had with them at the social club.

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Because I was working, he arranged to go to the studio in his garden and put the cigarettes in the box, said Colin.
The studio was unlocked, he told the jury. He accepted not telling the police about Chooks or the cigarettes on his arrest,
telling the court that he was concerned about his repercussions. The alleged drug runner was asked by his barista, Nick Robinson, "Did you put these items in that night? Did you know they were there? Did you know that the hoot's cocaine and benzocaine in your vehicle?"

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Did you agree to take class A drugs to Bournemouth from Scotland to England?
To each question Colin said, "No." Mr. Robinson said, "We live an esceptical world, Mr. Lough. Why should the jury accept your account?"
And Colin said, "Because it's the truth." Across examining the defendant, prosecutor David Parvin accused the part-time magician of making up his defence.
Lough said he had answered no comment to questions put to him by the police in an interview on the day advice of his solicitor.

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Mr. McCurray described his magician colleague and member of his congregation as well, like, "This is fucking magician, Colin."
"I'm sorry."
I mean, he was certainly good at sort of magicin' up some free kicks and penalties for the old firm and these days as a referee, as I recall.

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He did plenty of card tricks as well with the dishin' out red cards against Aberdeen.
"Yeah, fucking court."
So, Mr. McCurray described his magician colleague and member of his congregation as well, like, "And highly respected, albeit sometimes a little bit too naive or too trusting."
Asked why he posted a £30,000 security with the court, Mr. McCurray said, "Simply, I believe him."

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So, Lough, the nice possession with intense applied class-aid drugs and the trial continues.
So, I think if he's found guilty, it's going to be a long, long time before he gets out of prison.
Yeah.
I think, I mean, he should just confess. I mean, to be fair, I mean, sorry, it does seem to be the hardest one.
It is quite a sacrifice, but you'll still be standin'.
And maybe he can be a bit in a cellmate called Daniel.

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Possibly.
Who's maybe a tidy dancer and could maybe form a band or something, you know?
Indeed.
Benny and the Jets.
Yeah, what a fucking...
Literally a rocket man.
So, he didn't realise he had...
Sorry, how much cooking was in this stage like?
Well, it depends on how you look at it.

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Look at a wholesale value for the fixed sale.
It's £25,000, but if you want to take it out in the street, £100,000 worth all day long.
And I think you're prosecuted by the street value, aren't you?
I believe so.
The kind of the police.
The machine, so take a view on that.
You're not inflation on that.
Is that about unfair, maybe?

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Because maybe he was going to sell it wholesale, you know if I know.
Yeah, what a...
Oh, Jesus.
So, this is wonderful.
So, what is his name?
Hamilton.
His real name is Colin Lough, but his stage name is Hamilton John.
And tribute to where it comes from.
I see.
Yeah, it doesn't really work though.
Oh, Hamilton John.

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Like, Elton John, Hamilton John.
I don't know, maybe.
It's not the best.
What's your favourite kind of trippy band name?
Or do you see that?
Yeah, well, I mean, there's the ones that are really good tend to have...
They did have like pretty good names, don't they?

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They have the complete Sloan Roses.
There is the Billy Sheer's band, the Beatles tribute band.
There's the bootleg Beatles as well.
So, I mean, they have been a couple...
Oh, I tell you the best one.
I was just trying to think about that.
So, when I worked at the hard rock cafe,
I think I mentioned this in the podcast before.
We had a Scottish Alice Cooper tribute band.

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And the singer's name was Galis Cooper.
That's what they called themselves.
That's good.
I like that.
I like that.
What about you?
I do like that.
Well, I've seen no Waces.
Oh, yeah.
Which I always thought was quite good.
But I think my favourite one of our seniors is...

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It's a rather overweight gentleman who is...
A Robbie Williams tribute act and he calls himself Robbie Williams.
(Laughs)
And...
Or...
I have no idea.
I haven't seen him.
But the...
There's a take that tribute band called "Fake That"
Oh, yeah.
Which, yeah.
It's always good.

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And then there's a "Fake No More" tribute band called "Fake No More".
Which, you know, it's always there.
It's always good to come in up with puns.
But, yeah, Hamilton John doesn't really work.
So, I guess, yeah.
So he's going to be sent away for a little while, like, I mean, I guess that's one call of the blues.
For a long, long time.
Anyway.
Sell me up.

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Yeah, asking if he's...
Are you ready for love?
Fades up in a flagal wing.
(Laughs)
Anyway, that's all, uh, Hamilton John or Codon Lough.
I'll try and find out what...
If they do, you believe them or not, in an update on the next episode.
But that's my first story this week, which is your first story for the pod?

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Uh, my first story is from the Scottish Sun, and it's from...
Last week, well, a couple of weeks, it's got 15th of August.
A mum has blasted Sky Sports news after the popular TV channel aired a sexual advert
for her young son was watching.
Leanne Orr was stunned when she noticed "Football Mad Max."
(Laughs)

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"Football Mad Max."
I like what they've done.
Nine, being subjected to a commercial for Cialis.
A drug for a reptile dysfunction.
The ad broadcast before 10 a.m. featured a couple in a passionate clinch
and seemingly getting undressed to head to the bedroom.
Taking to TikTok, Leanne called on advertising watchdogs to take action.

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She said, "It's a Sunday morning, and the kids are off school."
"Well, I'd hope so, that's Sunday, then."
"I don't know what you're doing if you're sending your fucking kids to school, my Sunday."
"Loads a kid's love football."
"So can I ask, why the fuck is this advert playing at 9.50 a.m.?
I'm really annoyed. There's so much red tape on Adverts."
"Do you know what is? There aren't any sweetie Adverts on Telly anymore."

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"You're new, I like to advertise things because they're high in sugar, high in salt, and all the rest of it, but you can have that on it 10 in the fucking morning."
"Ten in the fucking morning when there's Wayne's watching. Who's passing this stuff? What is going on in the world?"
In the caption she added, "I get it's a news channel, but you need to sort out the Adverts during the day."

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Protect our kids innocence.
A spokesman for the advertising standards authority said, "We can't comment on whether this ad was in the appropriately scheduled, without going through our internal processes."
Blah blah blah.
Broadcast ads are pre-cleared and given appropriate timing with clear scheduling restrictions.
Our real state that care must be taken when scheduling ads that might be unsuitable for children.

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So she is a very upset that there was an advert for Seattleis on... I mean Seattleis, I know you sponsor a lot of podcasts, so if you want to get in touch, we want more than happy to take your money if you do what advertises Sky Sports anymore.
But I would you feel about that as a father? I would you feel about that in appropriate advert to like 10 o'clock in the morning?

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I mean I know you haven't seen the ad. There are an image and there is a couple obviously getting a little bit randy and...
But they're not getting on dress to such.
You know, there's no... They're not going to win any UNE, Greg and awards for this.
So, you know, it's nothing too bad, but you know, a nine years old, do you really know?
Correct it.
But that is a big tell of this function can hit it all agey snucky.

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I didn't mean he was wanting to purchase Seattleis, I meant is he going to know what's going on?
I mean, like in terms of is he going to be understanding this?
I think what's more important here is the likelihood of a nine year old paying any attention to Sky News when it's on is incredibly low.

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Well, it's Sky Sports News because he is a football fan. I think you did say that.
You did say that. I think it's fine.
Kids are older now than they were when we were that age. I mean I can't imagine.
I mean, I think if there was an advert on for something like that, when I was younger, I would be waiting for that advert to come on with my thumb poised over the record button.

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I think it was any sort of sexy, sexiness about the advert, like attractive lady, perhaps or whatever.
I'd been poised ready to record it with a sewer thinking what the cabries flake advert probably.
Oh yeah, maybe Turkish delight as well.
Oh yeah, that was a good one.

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Timothy Shampooh.
Oh god yeah, yeah.
Oh she was lovely. Caramel bunny.
If you were into that.
But then once you find out that it's voiced by Maria Markleys, it loses its attraction.
Yeah, I mean not just because it's a cartoon.

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The thing is when you're that age and your body is just necklame percent of the time vibrating with hormones is sort of any portnistorm, isn't it?
Yeah, no it's nine no man, come on.
Surely if you were tossing the cable at nine, nine and that's him.
I wasn't as quite impressive.

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I wasn't. I definitely wasn't doing that.
But I do remember feeling like intense attraction to people in Italy, like most of the girls and neighbors sort of from 1988 to, I don't know, until it was cancelled last year.
It's coming back.
Yeah, yeah, apparently, cable belongs really annoyed because she only agreed to do a car meal because they assured her that under no circumstances was it ever coming back.

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That's an issue of waiting to come back.
What was the kind of first memory you maybe have of a female you were attracted to?
A fucking ass like question.
Well, about both of the girls and bucks, yeah, I used to have a thing about like attractive women with their socks and shoes off.
I mean, it's probably never really going away if I'm being quite honest, but, um, what?

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You've got you saying you've got a fruit fish?
No, it's not quite not a full one, fruit fish.
Not like a full bone.
But I remember those that there's some music video for one of the Fizzes songs where there's this sort of animated guy made of stars.
So in the Giro's and the pajamas and stuff like that and, yeah, and they keep bush as well to find her quite a fucking pattern.

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What about you?
I think I mentioned sorry, April O'Neil.
April O'Neil.
Yeah, yeah, she started by loins a bit.
And honestly, the first kind of I really remember finding, how can I say this? Like confusing. Do you know what I mean? Like in terms of like, oh, what's this feel?

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Why do I feel this way?
It was VIX from, um, we've got a first box and we're going to use it.
I don't remember that.
What was that?
First box, the band.
Pink Sunches. Sorry, yeah, yeah. I was like, I'm sure they've taken you. No, no, the band, first box.
I don't mean yet. Their name was, we've got first box, and we're going to use it, but it was shortened to first box.

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But, um, yeah, remember with your fancy in VIX some reason.
And I would say, bow in the car like, oh, yeah, as well.
So I guess, strangely, I don't know, I think for redheads, I guess.
I knew you were pulling needles. What about, um, so, um, Carol Decker from Topau, the redhead bunches?

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Yeah, yeah, Carol Decker was, yeah, yeah, she was, um, she was up my street as well.
Yeah, I liked, yeah, Carol Decker, yeah.
And the Scottish lady from Fairburn the traction, whose name has completely escaped me.
Uh, uh, uh, EDM der.
She's a bit older though, wasn't she?
I mean, I don't think I was into milk when I was that young.
Perhaps not. Anyway, uh, okay. So, um, well, see we've seen this week, right?

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Um, well, I'm just going to like, this isn't, this isn't the story.
Well, this is a story, but it's not the story I'm going to do.
Just so everyone knows, um, the, I and brew workers are on strike.
So you meant what they start stockpiling.
Um, obviously not you, sure, and answer them and not me because we're both men of a certain age.
And guzzling can after can of I and brew isn't going to help either of us.

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If you're the, if you're an I'm here, then, you know, if you're younger and you've got metabolism for it, you know,
it starts locking up.
The mind story is another, well, I've done a couple of Loch Ness monster stories over the, over the years.
Um, but this one just made me laugh out loud.
And I thought it's got to come back. I've got to talk about it again.
Um, so the headline is, "Shock Ness, urgent warning, urgent warning, uh,

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as extensive Loch Ness monster search could stir up a whirlpool of evil."
So this is, this is the, this is the warning by leading paranormal investigator Ron Halliday.
He fears that plans to flush out the elusive beast with drones, infrared cameras,
and underwater sound detectors will lead to spirit spin unleashed.
Uh, organizers are calling the two day operation the biggest search for the Loch Ness monster in more than 50 years.

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But Mr. Halliday, who has been investigating the paranormal for 30 years, said,
"I suggest this project be called off or at the very least there's some psychic protection for anyone involved.
I was concerned to read about plans for a massive search for the Loch Ness monster.
I'm not convinced this is search is a good idea.
We could be stirring up a whirlpool of evil, and army of volunteers is also set to watch the Loch from a safe vantage point on land surrounding Loch Ness,

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um, on August 27th and 28th, which is today and tomorrow.
Uh, they have been warned to stay vigilant and bring binoculars and cameras to gather evidence.
Uh, the effort has been organized by the Loch Ness centre in Drumna Drohket,
and a volunteer research team called Loch Ness Exploration.
The organization's Alan McKenna hoped that large-scale surface watch would inspire a new generation of enthusiasts.

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It's understood to be the biggest search for the monster since a Loch Ness investigation bureau studied the waters in 1972.
It will involve technology not previously used before.
But research or Mr. Halliday who has published books including The 8-Z of Paranormal Scotland and Scotland's X-Files has warned it plans could backfire.

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He added, "The truth is there's little evidence that we're dealing with a flesh and blood creature.
It's more likely that the Loch is home to an unknown, spirit form.
Uh, Paul Nixon, he might not have done that scary voice.
Uh, I just, I just like doing it. Paul Nixon, general manager of the Loch Ness Centre said,
"The watch is designed to be observational and not invasive.

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The Loch is home to a whole host of wildlife and it's very important this does not become disturbed."
While we appreciate the offer of psychic protection, we are confident our robust safety procedures will ensure a positive weekend for all involved.
The largest, the largest, the largest, surface level search for nessay in over 50 years.

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So once again, people are devoting their time to search for something that there's very little evidence actually exists.
So what's this a poor old pool of evil?
Well, it's gonna be...
I think Mr. Halliday's contention is that all the various sightings and for those people at home they can't see me holding up the quotation marks.
Fingers of the Loch Ness Monster is in fact some unknown spirits sort of casting a shadow and making the water ripple and doing all the things that people tell lies about when they've seen the Loch Ness Monster.

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And if, and if it's recorded on drone camera, it could stir up a whirlpool of evil, could be the end of the world.
So it's like the river of slime in Ghostbusters 2?
It sounds exactly like the river of slime in Ghostbusters 2.
Yes, exactly like that.
So nessay is Vigo the Carpathian effectively.

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And is that command me nessay?
Is that what we're kind of saying here?
Yeah, that would make one holiday maybe like Egon, maybe perhaps?
He's not, maybe, he's not, he's not, he's not fun enough to be like Peter or Ray and obviously he's white so he can't be Winston.
And you remember in Ghostbusters 2 is heavily implied that Egon has fucked the slime.

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Yes.
So, so are you saying this gentleman has sexual relations with this whirlpool?
He's been rattled the murky waters of Loch Ness perhaps?
The idea.
He's been, I forgot all about that.
I have not seen Ghostbusters 2 for a long time because if I'm being really honest, I know that you and a mutual friend love Ghostbusters 2.

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For me, I've never really been as fond of it as you guys.
I much much prefer the first one.
Yeah, prefer the first one but I do. I love Ghostbusters 2.
I just, I just hold many happy memories for me I think.
And I do still enjoy it and it's still, it's fun.
Yeah, yeah, it's not as good as the first one but it's fun.
Yeah, yeah, there is heavily implied that Egon has sex with the slime before jamming it in a toaster to dance to Jackie Wilson.

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So, what, so what are you basically saying?
Just, just don't bother looking for Ness.
Yeah, he says, don't, it's just, it's just going to, it's a potential veritable pan-boda's box.
The revelations, sort of, jumpstarting, enticing, just messing with forces we don't understand.

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I mean, should just leave well alone.
So, what do you think we should do?
Should we keep looking or just leave it alone?
I'm a fuck.
People would do, I'm happy with people who do whatever they like.
You know, just crack on if you want, if you believe in a localness monster and you want to devote your life to proving its existence, then good luck to you.
So, there you go, that is the official line from the culture, if you want to have a look for Nessie, not care self out and go into it.

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Just fill your pocket, have sex with any slime, yeah, exactly.
And don't get in, no and don't have sex with pocketness itself because the people who live in the banks wouldn't appreciate it, frankly.
So, you know, no, no, they probably got enough of stuff like that, so, yeah, probably a good idea.
Anyway, that's one holiday in his world for the evil, which your next story this week.

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My next story comes, I was always saying my next ghost bus, I didn't quite think about that.
My next story comes from Edinburgh Live and this is from today and it's about a family that have said that their night out at the Edinburgh Fringe Festival,
because obviously the Fringe is just, yeah, it's just finished.
Was ruined after a member of their party was thrown out of a show for telling their daughter it was brilliant.

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And Edinburgh Mum, her partner, daughter and her daughter's friend, who do not wish to be named, bought tickets to see Train Spotting at the Pleasant's EICC.
They attended the 8.45pm performance on Friday, August 25th on the recommendation of their daughter's friend after going out for dinner together in this city.
The Mum, who is 60 years old, said that they were enjoying the show when her daughter's friend said the show was brilliant.

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She claims that out of nowhere, a cast member pointed to the mail and said, "Out!"
Before he was frog marched, out of the venue at the hands of security.
The woman said, "I bought the tickets for Train Spotting as a recommendation from my daughter's friend.
I purchased four tickets for me, my partner, my daughter and her friend to go to last ex-performance."

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And there was a lot of activity around us with all the cast points either sitting or standing next to us in the second row.
The main actor then stared at my daughter's friend and said, "Out!"
A security guard then came in and frog marched him out.
We thought it was a joke. My daughter said that all he had done was turn to her and said, "This is brilliant."

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We spoke to people sitting behind us and across from us and when we were leaving it and they couldn't believe what happened.
We spoke to the box office and one of the managers there said to ask for a refund.
But the manager just nodded politely and said nothing.
I approached one of the actors and he said that he'd been warned. That's absolutely rubbish.
Worn to what? I have been to many shows over the years and never experienced anything like this.

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So sad. It totally ruined our night.
So she's claiming that the guy just turned to her daughter and said, "Oh, this is brilliant" and then got thrown out.
That's not what happened. There's more to that.
It's like the story we had on last year, I think, was the Jersey boys.
When people were thrown out for singing along and I think that went to court in the last couple of weeks.

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I think it did find out that they'd actually assaulted staff at the theater.
These women that were thrown out.
But this couple, well, this family, yeah, I've just been thrown out for just saying this is brilliant.
Yeah, there's more to that than that. Come on.
The way there's talking about it, if the cast are interacting with the audience in that way,

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they're not going to throw someone out for just saying this is brilliant.
No, I don't think so.
And there has been a few stories that I've read when I've been doing research for the pod over the last few months of people being asked to leave.
Not so much plays, but certainly these kind of drug box musicals, you know, because they're sort of tender.

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You know, are not drug pop musicals, but any type of musical that's, the songs are well known from
and people want to sing along and things.
And by all accounts, stage casts are getting, you know, they're quite sensitive about it these days.
And yeah, to your point, this one, I imagine, probably, the, the sky has been chucked out.
It's perhaps been a bit chatty throughout the show. I can't imagine they get cast member asking for someone to be removed just for saying one word,

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whether it was in praise or in criticism of what was going on in a stage.
Doesn't ring very true. Does it? No, it doesn't. It doesn't at all. It stinks. It stinks.
But there's another story that is just popped up, actually, as I was reading that out from like now, as we're recording.
And it's Scottish singing Kettle Star, sorry, after performing inappropriate lyrics to families.

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So the, the singing Kettle Star, and I'm not familiar with this in Kettle, but it's R.T. Trezy.
R.E. Trezy. Yeah. He is a apologise to families if they were left feeling offended by a change of lyrics in a legendary children's song.
The entertainer was singing. He was singing. You can't I shove, you can't I shove your granny off a bus.

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But he changed the lyrics to you can I get your granny off the drugs.
He was, he's fired never to utter those words again and said, I didn't sing the song, but I did recite two lines of it for adults and audience.
I thought the audience would think that I can do and drug taking and wasn't sympathetic to families who have to deal with those problems, upsets me.

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76 years old. And he's singing and can I get your granny off the drugs.
So yeah, so it's been quite a wild week in Edinburgh in terms of people getting offended and thrown out.
That's the fringe for you folks. Well, what was it? It was Jerry Sadler last year, this year it's the guy from the singing Kettle.
Oh yeah, well, it was him, Griehm, Lenin as well, as you were. The guy from the singing Kettle, that's better actually.

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Jerry Sadler, isn't the guy from the singing Kettle. That's not two people you would kind of put together, but maybe next year they can get a little fringe act on the go.
Perhaps, perhaps. So I've got a quick game before we move on to a review of "CVC of Guilt".
So way back at the inception of the podcast, we decided that we wanted to do some of the funnier and news stories that seem to be quite particular at Scotland.

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And most of the time we've never struggled to find something.
So I've trolled back through maybe almost 20 years of Scottish and US headlines.
And so I've not prepared 90 for this, I'm not prepared for it. All you need to do is tell me if the headline is Scottish News or False basically.

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So I was going to call the game the news quiz, but then I remembered that radio four have been doing the news quiz for years.
I don't want to get so dope in BBC. Then I was going to call it the Mick News Quaid quiz, but then I thought, you know, McDonald's, if they cared that much, could's be a bit difficult for us.
So I'm just going to call it the Scottish News Quiz. So I'm going to read a few headlines and just want you to tell me if it's a true Scottish headline or if it isn't.

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So. And now the ones that aren't true, are they, have you just made these up or are there new stories but they're not Scottish?
Well, that's for you to determine.
Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. So the first one is Falkirk Man cuts off testicles for old firm bet. I'm going to say that's true. Yeah. It's Scottish News.
That's false.

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It is a true story, but it was actually a Welsh rugby fan who said in the pub that if we always didn't beat England, if we
always couldn't beat England today, we cut off his own bollocks and then England beat them. So we went away and cut off his bollocks, came back into the pub with them and a little sandwich bag apparently.
So Jesus. That's, yeah, that's, yeah, that's a bit too much. The Welsh care, I thought about the rugby, what can I say? Okay. Next one then, drunk man attacked house, wild, wild holding genitals.

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I'm just going to say that's true because it's, yeah, it's true.
It's true. It's true. Fun with this firm. Oh, right, just make it up here. So this is, um, I need to attack a house.
This was a man who he had admitted causing a bar, a bizarre disturbance in West Lothian in the village of Bridgend in 2014.

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He was seen shouting sexual and homophobic insults while, while hitting the doors and windows of a house, wild quotation marks, brandishing his private member.
Love Tina Turner. Okay. Next one then, drunk passenger attacked plain crew with false leg.

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Oh, Jesus. Um, right. What have I got? I've got 50, 50 so far. I am going to go with that. That's true. That is true.
Uh, a flight from Chunisea to Scotland had to be diverted after a drunk passenger attacked crab, hit cabin crew with her prosthetic leg.
The women demanded cigarettes and a parachute before slapping, give me 200 regal in a parachute, please.

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She slapped the young girl sitting next to her before unfastening her leg and swinging it at the flight attendants. Um, so yeah. So shame. Um, okay.
Man, man caught pleasuring himself with pickle in public toilets. I'm going to say that's false because just by the law of averages.

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Um, I've picked everyone is true so far. So I'm going to go with false. Yeah, it is false. Uh, it, it, it, it, it, it happened, but it didn't happen in Scotland. Uh, it happens in them.
Happened in Florida. Um, perhaps unsurprisingly. Okay. Couple more, uh, man gets 10 days in jail for punching swan.
Oh, Jesus. Uh, yeah, that's got to be true. It has to be. Um, it, it, it's not Scottish. You know that also that happened to, oh, happened in America.

(37:44):
Okay. Uh, man seen running on motorway in tartan boxer shorts naked. Oh, yeah. That's probably an everyday occurrence. Like, see, yeah.
I'm going to say that's true. Definitely. That's true. Uh, Scott's teens arrested after mass, no, fifth. Uh, now I think I've, oh no, I've already been arrested.
Oh no, have I read about this? Um, yeah, I'm going to say that's true as well. It is true. I kind of feel bad. I'm saying that the whole truth. Okay. It's true. Um, yeah.

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It's happened in Aberdeenshire, uh, in 2013, um, two teenagers who had stolen more than 30 garden, no, um, that's dedication. Uh, shadow Baker and Roy Castle.
Uh, a search of a car near BAMF, you'll be the hog of garden sculptures, including a two-foot statue of Urwilly and a gnome in a police uniform.

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Um, uh, okay. In the last one, Scottish fish invented sexual intercourse. No, I'm going to say that's full. It's true. It's true. Right. I'm going to tell you, I'm going to tell you, I'm going to tell you, did, did Adam and Eve not?
So, in fact, sex, then, so in October 2014, scientists managed to trace the history of vertebrae sexual intercourse to an ancient armored fish that lived in the blocks of Scotland 385 million years ago.

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Um, the first creatures to use this form of reproduction were the first job fish called microbriacus, Dicky, not making up.
So, it's a creature. Microbriacus, Dicky. I think they need to get in touch with your lad about locking us monster and see what's going on there, because that's just a, a, a whirlpool of hate and evilness.

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Yeah. Jesus Christ. So, that's it. That was fun, man. Yeah, I was. Enjoy that. Yeah. Thanks very much. So, they enjoyed that. Nice little entity news. And, uh, yeah, who knew so much, um, chite goes on in Scotland.
Yeah, I made, uh, they become a reoccurring thing and an occasional reoccurring thing. I know what you, yeah, I do have them because I had one, it's funny that you'd mention that because, um, I did a while ago come across this old news article.

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I think about should we do like retro news at some point, um, because this is from 2007 and it's just, I mean, the headline says all, I'm not going to go into the article, but the headline is man caught trying to have sex with bicell.
And I saw, he was giving three years probation. Um, he was in air and now, yeah, because he got caught to have sex the bicycle.

(40:35):
Um, so yeah, maybe we'll then, um, I've spoiled that one now, but we can revisit that maybe at some point. Wait a while. All right. Wonderful. Well, thank you very much for that, Greg. Much appreciated there. That was a wonderful little there, okay. Um, okay. Before we go into what we're going to be talking about today, let's have a little word from our sponsors and our sponsors this week is Dorick skateboard skateboard brand created by Gary Kemp, whose main focus is to explore the people and culture of Aberdeen and the northeast of Scotland.

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Okay, so I picked Young Adam for last episode, which means this episode is your turn to choose. And it's the first time that we've ever done something like this on the podcast where we've done every series.

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So why don't you introduce what we're talking about today? Well, it's not the first time Greg, because we did both series of the book group.
Oh yeah, so that's not the it's not the first time. But on today's episode, I wanted to look at the third and final series of the Neil Forsyth darkly comic Scottish drama Guilt.
As Greg mentioned, we covered series one and series two previously on episodes 36 and episodes 52 of the Culture Swally available wherever you get your podcasts.

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Starring Mark Bonner and Jamie Sives series three picks up a year after the end of series two, which saw Max head into Chicago to join Jake who had his own Scottish pub in the windy city.
Roy Lynch was last seen on the balcony with Teddy and is presumed to be dead, leaving his widow Maggie Lynch to take charge of the family business.
Series three also sees a return of a whole host of characters from the previous two series and early in episode one events lead to the brothers finding themselves back in leaf, but trying to avoid Maggie Lynch.

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So series three of guilt came out in April of this year 2023. We will be giving a lot of spoilers. So if you haven't seen it, probably Andy in Finland, if you haven't seen this yet, because I know took a while to get series two.
Then I wouldn't recommend listening to this until you've seen it. So Greg, obviously it was your first viewing. How did you find series three of guilt?

(43:58):
Well, well, series two, the first series I got of guilt was just absolutely astonishingly good. Even by any measure is fucking brilliant.
But for to come from the BBC and be such a clever and smart and sort of cool drama, it was pretty special.

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I thought the second series, I think it suffered a wee bit from not enough Jamie Ives, but this series, if there was any sort of tiny, tiny disappointments about the second series of guilt, I think this third series just fucking completely excels.
I mean, absorbs and excels, it's absolutely fantastic.

(44:41):
I've literally got written on my notes. This is better than series two, but not as good as series one, but you needed all of them to get to this stage.
And I think it's a complete package and it's just, it's 12 episodes here in total.
Yeah. Of just this incredible show.
And I absolutely loved this third series. I agree. I thought series two was okay, but not as good. I mean, there was some good kind of introductions, I think, Teddy was a wonderful introduction.

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And I think, I agree with you that series two lacked a lot of Jamie Sives, but Emun Elliott kind of stepped up in series two.
If you know what I mean, he kind of became the main character along with Max in series two, but at least Jamie Sives is back in full force in series three.
And I thought Erin, Sarah Vickers character in series two was a brilliant addition as well. I mean, she kind of replaced Angie, really.

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Yeah. Yeah.
As kind of the female character you needed, but I thought she was brilliant.
Yeah, I really like series two, but it's not, it's one is, you know, kind of, you almost wish, I don't wish actually, I don't know where I'm going with that, but like series one is just these four episodes of just absolute perfection.
And if they'd left it at that, it would have just been probably one of the most perfect things, but even though now they've created 12, it's still for me, genuine, one of my favorite shows of all time.

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Like I, I, I'm almost upset that it's over, but I'm kind of, I kind of hope they don't do anymore, but I could genuinely, I could just sit and watch Max and Jake all day.
Yeah. I mean, I think, you know, the first series, those first four episodes in that, in that first series, in a word, we're getting to know the characters, you know what I mean?
And I think what, I think what was good about that first series, they, especially the Max, you know, you, you sort of get to a point where you think you got Max figured out.

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And then he does something completely unsurprising that you weren't expecting, you know?
By the time we get to this series, you know, we've, we've spent eight hours with Max and you're kind of, you're sort of anticipating because as much as he's the sort of anti-hero and in a lot of ways quite dislikable, you pull for him, you know?

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So you're, you sort of big, and it's all because, Mark Bonner is just so fantastic. It's, you know, so although he's, you know, he's, he's never sure, although he says that he's trying to help Jake, can he's trying to, you know, do this and do that and he's, he's doing all this for both of them and stuff.
You still have that feeling that is, he's gonna fuck Jake, you know what I mean? Like he's gonna fuck him, which sort of, you know, we'll get to it, but it sort of makes like the last sort of 15 minutes or so of the last episode so rewarding, I think, as a viewer.

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But, you know, it's just, you're just like, although you know that for Max to sort of, to kind of win, it means that a lot of the other characters and that some of whom you may like, some of whom you probably don't and you're not meant to are gonna like lose in a big way.
Yeah, he's still really rooting for him. It's such a fantastic character.

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It's just wonderful and it's the, it's the one liners, you know, he comes out with and, you know, he's a horrible man and it's almost not a surprise within like the first five minutes of two three, you discover that he's screwing Jake over and it's taken out $300,000 like in loans against the pub in Jake's name, which means, you know, he's fucked.

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And he does say it was an investment, but later on he does admit that he was, he was gonna take the money from himself, but just, just an incredible character and it is Mark Bonner, I think, like 100% in terms of the scene when they're in the airport when they land back in Edinburgh and he's speaking to the guy at passport control.
And you know, when they get taken into the room and then the guy comes back and he's like, oh, you're right, we've got no jurisdiction over this stuff. And Max gets, oh, well, you look very smart in your ear.

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And it's just, it's just, it's just an absolute condescending kind of way that he goes down there.
And he's just got so many incredible lines. You know, the other one that is that just, I was in his sterics and it's, I think it's an episode three spoiler alert.

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They kind of end up later on at Sheila's house from series one, and when Jake's looking out at the road and he's going, how can that road not speak to you?
And Max gets, 'cause it's a road.
Yeah, it's just, but the interaction he has, well, please dad, we'll come to you later, but yeah, I mean, Max is just possibly one of the greatest characters that's kind of been created.

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He's just such a deck, but you just, you kind of can't help but root for him as well. You just, you like him, you know, when he's getting out of things and, and worriming his way out of issues and stuff.
It's just like, yes, come on, Max, come on. It's, yeah, it's just a likable character, really.
Anything, I mean, I suppose it's just at a hallmark of any well-written and well-conceived drama.

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You know, they can know Neil Forsythe has been, is sort of, been vocal about the fact that he doesn't intend on doing any more, and this is very much the end.
That said, you are left wondering, you know, they, with Max, when he, when he, um, you know, he, when he comes to Ern and's out and we hear the cry of the little baby and stuff.
And you're just like, you kind of need to know, you know, they, we might never know. I probably won't, 'cause Neil Forsythe said that's it, but you're sitting there. You need to know, how is he going to react to that?

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You know, I mean, he's been because he's, you know, like of all the people that he's interacted with in the whole three series, there's definitely something between him and Erin.
And she's the only one that he's not used to try and, you know, or put into a difficult situation or something to try and get what he wants.
And now here's this, he's got this possibility at the very end, you know, to sort of step up and be a family man and have a life with Erin.

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And it's like, what does he do? You know, they, part of me thinks that he gets up and, you know, when the camera's roll, when the camera's stopped rolling, he gets up and fucking runs for the hills.
And another part of me thinks that he, this is what he needs because, you know, they, we hear a lot about Max's, Max and Jake's childhoods and being raised by their mum who said mental health issues and, you know, been abandoned by their father and everything.

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And, you know, now here's, here's Max and he's got, he's got the opportunity to be a father of this, this little baby, you know.
Is he, is he finally going to do the right thing and sort of turn his back on all this fucking shenanigans and schemes and stuff?
Or is he going to, you know, or is he just going to run for the hills and do, and do, and do this, but I don't know.

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I don't know. I think you've hit upon a very good point there, Greg. I didn't really think about it, but you're right.
So, this is to effectively, Max siphons all the money away from the lense and gives it to area and he tells her the truth about her, her real father.
And you're right. He's, she's the only person he hasn't really screwed over.

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Yeah. He gave her, he could have taken that money, probably, and fucked off, but he did the right thing. And you're right.
You could see in his face, I mean, obviously it's episode four when, when, kind of errands reintroduce, but when, when she walks into leak legal,
Yeah. And you see Max's face. It's, it's pure, just delight. And he's just, he's terrified, but he's also just so happy to see her.

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Yeah. And obviously she's left Edmbrough. She's, um, living in Dundee, which apparently offers more than you think.
I had an idea, I hadn't of who I am, but I came from who I came from and it turns out that some of that was wrong and maybe all of it's wrong, but that,

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it's not a road that I can go down right now, soon maybe, but not now.
Now is where things happen, Max.
Where can I find you when I'm ready? Dundee. Dundee?
It offers more than you think.
Geez.

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You know, but you could just see the kind of the excitement in his face when he sees her. And you're right.
I, I, in terms of the way it ends, I, I don't know, I'm happy to leave it at this, but I, I hope that he kind of gives it a go.
Yeah. But, um, yeah, I'd, I'd be happy to just kind of, yeah, I mean, let's just end this thing.
Because you know, at the end of CDs too, as you just described, you know, he's, he's stolen this money from the vintage, he's going to heart, but then he, he sort of escapes to Chicago to go, to go with, and he, he goes to Jake.

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And you think, well, you know, he's just done this, this, the uncharacteristic, the selfless thing for this woman that he cares about.
And you know, you think, well, you know, and now he is off to reunite with his brother, maybe he's, maybe he's turned over in your leaf.
But then, you know, we find out in the first sort of five minutes of the first episode that he's not turned over in your leaf at all.
He's just, he's the same sort of frustrated, scheming, crafty guy that we first, that we meet in episode one of the first series.

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So, um, Jake's pub, did you like the fact that they had a beer called Yarrach?
- I like it on the, yeah. (laughs)
- I thought that was wonderful. - Yeah, it's really funny.
And, you know, just that, that, that, that, oh, it was that, oh, bits of attention, the detail as well, you know what I mean?
But it's sort of thinking you miss it.
- Yeah. - Yeah.

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- You know, it's just, it's sort of good, you'll for say, you thought of over it.
- But it's, it's a little bit, I mean, even, you know, in the first few minutes, you have, you know, the Yarrach,
and then you've got the, the bit with Jake was 500 Fezes in his flash.
- And he's like, you know, and it's, the little attention to detail when Max is like, you know, who have I thought Turkish night would be a good idea?
- Turkish Monday's. - Like, Turkish Monday's, that was it.

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Sorry, like, I know about the Fezes.
- It's like, what the fuck?
- Of course, I'm ideas.
- Are these ideas of a similar quality to Turkish Monday's?
- Turkish Monday's, as a premise, was essentially flawless.
- I know about the Fezes, Jake, I found the invoice.
- Do you, a grown man, come and live, what's 500 Fezes?

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- Why would you have a Scottish bar in Chicago and have a Turkish Monday night?
- Like, it's, yeah, very strange.
- It reminds me of my, my Fezes, because I used to wear a Fezes.
- Did you, did I, did I, did I, did I, did I, did I, did I run, when you were in, how do I remember you were in a Fezes?
- Yeah, I used to, when I worked at TGI Friday's, because you had to wear a ridiculous hat or some sort of hat

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and I decided I'd wear a Fezes because it was probably the smallest kind of hat and I could wear it at the back of my head.
And at that time, Aberdeen had a couple of Moroccan players as well.
So, I did, I bought a cheap Fezes and four of that, so yeah, I used to have a Fezes.
But I didn't do any Turkish Monday's.
- No. - TGI Friday's, though.

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- I mean, I suppose that sort of brings us nicely over to Jamie Syve as Jake.
- You know, I mean, as a character, he, I mean, it just, it just seems like the luckiest guy because he's such a nice guy
and he's clearly got a good heart and everything.
And, you know, he's a wee bit hapless, but, you know, but he's, he's sort of shackled to his brother who is the complete opposite in every way.

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You know, he's brother's intelligent, crafty, a bit of a sociopath.
Then you've got Jamie, you've got Jake Rallor, who's the other side of the coin, open nice guy, you know.
And just every time, you know, when Angie leaves them at the beginning of that first episode, you're just like,
"Really? Does he deserve that? Just for buying all the Fezes?"
- Yeah, such a lovely guy. Everyone likes him.

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You know, everyone gets on with him and just such a likable character.
And you're right. And he's just got some great, as much as Max has committed moments, you know.
- Yeah. Jake's got quite a lot as well.
- When he is chatting to Alisa, the American woman, she's almost referred to as just the American woman.
- Yeah. - But her name is Alisa.
When he's chatting to her in the hotel bar, and she's just like, "What the fuck is this?"

(57:24):
- It's just hilarious, the interaction.
And later on, when he's like, "Well, what are you chat about?"
"Just over Jean stuff."
- It was just fucking brilliant. I mean, Jamie Syves is just, yeah, he's an incredible.
The comedy, did you know Jamie Syves and Mark Bonner have known each other since they were 11 years old?
- I did not know that. That's crazy.

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- Yeah. I only find that out yesterday, actually.
- I watched an interview. Mark Bonner was on this morning with Holly and Phil.
- Right.
- It was because it was back in April. - Yeah.
- And Phil was still there.
- And, yeah, they spoke about Jamie. Yeah, they've known each other since they were 11.
And they weren't proper close, but they knew each other.

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And then, as the years developed, they kind of closer.
- Yeah, and I think, I wonder if that helps in terms of their interaction with the two of them.
Because you really do believe that they've known each other for years when you see them together.
So I can only presume that as helped in terms of their characters.
- Yeah, and I think the last thing,

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did we do a filth before we did Syves to a girl or after?
- I think we did a filth before, I think.
- Right.
- But I mean, you know, they're sort of contrast in characters between...
- Oh, no. Sorry. I mean, crime.
- Creme.
- Yeah, not filth. Sorry, Creme.

(58:54):
- Yeah. No, we did crime after a series two.
- Yeah.
- So yes.
- The contrast of characters of... - Yeah, because he's a doogie Gilman.
- Yeah. And they caught, yeah. I mean, it's got...
- Doogie, like, one of the sort of reprehensible sort of characters in any drama.
To, you know, to play in Jake, who you would just love to sit and have a pint with

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and talk about records and stuff, you know,
sit at the bar and pass a couple hours talking about music.
A few beers, maybe go behind the pub and share the joint, you know?
It's fantastic character.
- Oh, he's wonderful.
- Yeah, you're right. Yeah, doogie Gilman, just absolutely brilliant character in crime.
You're right. It's such a polar opposite in terms of the character of Jake.

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And I think Jake obviously came as a surprise, kind of episode two.
Like, at the end of episode one, they kind of go in the only place that they can go.
Which, Jake doesn't know. And I was kind of, I don't know,
it's kind of spoiled it for me because I was watching the opening credits of episode two
as it's coming up. And obviously it comes up with the actor's names.

(01:00:07):
And then it came up with David here.
- Yeah. And I was like, David Heman is an in-gilt, or he hasn't been in it so far.
So when they turn up and it turns out that that's their dad,
I was like, "Ah, okay." So it was kind of slightly spoiled for me.
Because I was kind of thinking, well, kind of logically, that's going to be the only kind of character it could be.

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But, well, it could have been someone else.
But, yeah, a welcome addition to the cast, I think, as well, in terms of David Heman.
- Yeah, and the thing with David Heman, I mean, I mean, David Heman...
- I mean, I've got somewhere, I've got a DVD, I have to find it with a load of them,
a load of Scottish play plays for today. And there's one that we've not done on this while

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they buy a Peter McDougall called Just Your Luck.
I think it's the one of the first ones he did.
And it's about a Protestant girl in Glasgow getting pregnant by and then getting married to a Catholic boy
played by David Heman.
So David Heman's supposed to be like a young 18-year-old boy in this play.

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But it's one of those faces where if he's always looked middle-aged and upwards, you know what I mean?
He's just like, he's got a well-traveled, you know, because Indiana Jones says it's not the age, it's a mileage.
You know what I mean? It's like, yeah, on your...
I mean, he's absolutely super in this, you know, and I have the same issue.

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When I saw his name in the credits, I thought, right, it's going to be a pivotal part that he plays.
If I'm being honest, I didn't... I hadn't counted on him playing Max and Jake's dad.
I thought it might be... it might be sort of, "Royland's a revenge-seeking brother" or something like that.
I mean...
Yeah, true. That would have probably been the other thought would have had to.

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But yeah, you know, brilliant acts are obviously, and then a great kind of role that he plays in terms of, you know,
he does the Gaframex and Jake and gives him some money.
Yeah.
That kind of makes maybe peace with them. I don't know, you know, Max shakes his hand at the end.
As Jake says, like, he didn't really know him.
Yeah. So he doesn't really have issues with him at all.
It's Max that has the issues with him.

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So I think that was, yeah, something that kind of maybe was a bit cathartic for Max to be able to...
Yeah.
...to kind of resolve something.
Doesn't make my better person...
...and well, you know, sort of know his issues with his father, sadly.
But yeah, definitely.
No, of course not. Yes, definitely not.

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And then, of course, well, Emmon Elliott, back as Kenny, who is just a fantastic character, but kind of...
...has a bit less to do in this season, really.
I think you really see that in season two, he effectively replaced Jake.
Yeah.
And then now Jake's back, it kind of he's pushed to the side a bit.

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And, you know, most of his interactions really are with Teddy, yep, in the phone, or with, um, with Evon.
Yeah.
Well, maybe, um, maybe that's, maybe that's something that could be criticised, maybe a little bit for in this one,
because in the first series, you know, we had Jake and Max and Angie, the bit later on,
and say, a couple other sort of characters, those Stevie and the Connecrop Theseman.

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But, you know, by the time we get to the third series, there's a lot of characters.
You know, there's a whole story with Sky, who turns out to be Kenny's niece.
You know, we've got, we've got what Evon's going through, and, you know, her investigation into the lynches.
We've got what's going on with Stevie and his sort of fall from Grace and the police force and all that sort of stuff.

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You know, they try to, you know, they can bulk of the storyline is sort of shown by what's happening with Max and Jake.
But, you know, I think sometimes when they, when she was put into many characters like that,
it can sometimes end up missing a bit of, and they can miss since it's Kenny,
and they can character that will've enjoyed so much in the first two series, but don't get to see him.

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I mean, he does get his sort of requisite pasting, and then he seems to get in each of the series.
Well, I don't know if he didn't see these two actually, but, you know, obviously in the first series,
he gets absolutely, because he's a shit kicked out of him by some of the lynches guy, some then, and the third series.
Unfortunately, Teddy gives in to his instincts and his motivations, and he ends up in the hospital,

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and we think that maybe Kenny's times up, you know?
Yeah, I agree. I think you're right. There are kind of maybe too many characters involved, and I think they kind of maybe needed to do it because it's the third series.
And it is almost like a greatest hit in terms of some of the characters that come back, and speak about a couple later on.
But you're right. I mean, you don't really care that much about the bank deal, or the drug deal isn't the case,

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and you just want to see Max and Jake, but they are kind of integral to the storyline because it revolves around Maggie Lynch,
and it revolves around the money, and how they're going to get out of this in the end.
But as much as I thought the sky was a, you know, brilliant actress played by Amelia Isaac Jones, I thought she was great.

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It's great. But, you know, in terms of her drug dealer boyfriend and stuff, I didn't even really know his name.
No, if you know what I mean. In terms of, I think I did write it down somewhere, but I can't even bloody find it, but you didn't really know his name because he's never really introduced.
And I realized he's a link between the lynches and sky, and then therefore Kenny and then therefore Max and Jake, and obviously the bank deal.

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So it is all into a link to an involve, but I could have like, yeah, just give me some more time, Max and Jake, or give me some more time with Max, Jake and Sheila, as well, because when they turn up,
Ellie Huntington's door, I genuinely burst out, wow, I think it was like, yes, this is fucking brilliant. I can't believe they've gone here.

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And the way they're talking about it, and you know, I think if it's Max or first, you're at one point, it's like the old witch downstairs and stuff.
But it's so incredible to have her back, and you know, they're in coming back as well, and it very much is like a total greatest hits of the first few series, the first two series, you know, kind of combined of guilt.

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They've kind of made sure that everyone has kind of come back, which is great.
Yeah, yeah, and still raging with IMDB because Ellie Huntington, despite having a lot more credits to her name than most of the younger cast in guilt, still doesn't have a photograph in her profile.

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Which is absolutely terrible, absolutely terrible. Also, we've got Ivan, the police officer Kenny's partner. Did you notice it was a different address?
I know it's like, yes, this is the time it's Izura Barbie Brown, as opposed to Michelle Neal in the last one. Do you know why she, but why Michelle didn't come back for it?

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I think she was in something else, wasn't she?
She was unable to come back. All right, I thought you were. I was just playing there for no.
I did read, I think it was filming commitments about something that she wasn't able to come back.
But again, you know, another character, okay, she is kind of needed because she is the police perspective, and obviously Stevie's been demoted, so you kind of need the, that police aspect in terms of being able to take down the lynch.

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But also, I was really pleased to see that her and Kenny were still together, you know, because Kenny, you know, in the first series he's an alcoholic, and then he becomes recovering alcoholic, and in the second series he's sort of really getting his act together, you know, he's set up his own agency and everything else, he meets this, he meets Ivan, and all that.

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So they, to see them still together and living together in the third series, I was like, good for you Kenny. You know, he's kind of what you want, you know, he's about like, Jay, he's, you know, he's one of probably two, the two hearts of the show, so you can be, you want them to, things to work out for him.
Yeah, yeah, definitely.
No, no, it was good to see that they're still together and obviously wanting to try for a kid, and I guess they're gonna, well, if she does leave the police force, then what's it is for Kenny?

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So, what can it set up leaf legal together and go into business, which would, which would be wonderful.
Yes, but for, spin off show there, maybe, we go there.
If you're listening, you'll for say, sure you're not.
And, well, listen to our, I'm at the soda, Bob Serpent, so yeah.

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And then I think Phyllis Logan as Maggie Lynch just absolutely knocks it in the park in this series.
She is just astounding. Like she's so good.
Yeah, she's brilliant. The characters are just fucking horrible, you know what I mean?
You just, oh, there's nothing redeeming about her whatsoever, even when even the scene that she has with Erin, you know, the sort of, sort of, kind of, heart to heart.

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You know, even in that, you know, she's not, she's not looking for reconciliation with her daughter.
You know what she's got? Well, you know, it's, our complete focus is getting our money out of this, out of this bank deal, and sailing off of the sunset.
Oh, that's, yeah, it's, exactly what she says. Like, I'm, I'm going away. She doesn't really ask.
Oh, she really says here. It's like, you're in Dundee.

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Well, supposed to be better than Glasgow, but, um, I don't know if I agree with it.
Um, although it Dundee does, it does offer more than you think. Um, so, yeah, but just a horrible character in terms of the Magulinch, just all in her own, doesn't really give a shit.
Even when Roy gets shot and you hear the gunshot, she's just kind of like, oh, well, that's kind of, you know, I know, you know, instead that, you know, you're so, you're so, you're so good in impression that it's something that she's prepared us, should be preparing us for for years.

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You know, given the nature of the business that Roy's in and, and the season, you know, they, again, it's so well conveyed by her.
It's like the moment that I've been waiting for is here, you know.
And I think that's one thing that this series does really well, and it is the strong female characters, and especially the older, strong female characters.
So you've got Maggie and Sheila, and okay, they're both evil effectable because Maggie is effectively this, this big kind of drug lord crime boss.

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And then Sheila is just this kind of black widow that goes on Ripsoft, old men that are coming towards the end.
Yeah. I mean, carpet, was it carpet balls? It's more exerting than you'd think.
And she says about the current guy that she's seeing.
But yeah, I think they do it really well in terms of this older, strong female characters.

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And I think you need more of that in terms of in terms of what we're seeing in TV and film today.
Yeah, for sure. I mean, anything is if you look at both Erie Haddington and Phyllis Logan's IMDBs, you know, they're both, they're both of them are vast in terms of credits.
But, you know, there's no lead roles, really, you know? I mean, arguably this isn't really a lead role for Erie Haddington.

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It's very much a supporting role, but I suppose you say the same about Phyllis Logan as well.
But, you know, it feels like it's one of the leads because, you know, the story, the whole story of it revolves around what's going on with the lynches and her in this, in her sort of new position is head of the organization.

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But then, you know, if you scroll through, it's all sort of small parts, like a part like one episode of Taggart, one episode of Downton Abbey, Adoptor Who, a list of that, you know what I mean?
It's not like a short-lived sitcom, you know, it's great to see an actress like her and like Erie Haddington get a part, get parts like these ones that knew for Scythus Ritt, because the totally unpredictable characters, you know, completely unpredictable.

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Yeah, you never know what's going to happen next with them, you know, especially, I mean, Sheila, if you think about it to the first series, you know, it kind of comes out of the blue.
I thought it's a beautiful reveal when Max the door and, you know, she's like, "I saw you. I know what happened."
And it's a say, when she opens the door when they turn up at her house in series three, I genuinely was just delighted of just like, "Oh, God!"

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And when, you know, she's negotiating of, you know, five grand a night and you'll pay for the pet roll and then it goes up to six grand a night.
Yeah, she's just brilliant, absolutely fantastic character and wonderful actress as well. So yeah, really was delighted to see her back in this.
And then of course, the intimately Greg McHugh is Teddy again showing incredible versatility.

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If you think about some of the stuff that we've seen him in over the years, you know, obviously I guess he's going to be the most famous for the moment anyway for Gary Tank Commander.
But then, you know, he's rather than flesh meat is that they've got the pilot of two doors down.
He's just done a really successful, I think I've done two series of drama on BBC two.

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Maybe you can do what he wants about sort of all to do with autism.
If he's Chris Reckleson's sort of a strange son, I think it does a manchester accent, I think I saw a little bit of it.
But apparently it's really good. Apparently it's got a really good bullet poppy soundtrack as well.
I can't for life made remember it's cold, but I suppose I could just quick look here.

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Yeah, I mean, he's a fantastic actor. As you see, like everything you've just mentioned there is so different in every role.
Yeah. In terms of Gary, the character he is in the two doors down pilot.
Howard in Fresh Meat is just an absolutely fantastic character.
But then to play Teddy, he is just this absolute psychopath.

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And it's so funny in terms of, you know, you never see Teddy hit anyone or you never see him do anything.
But everyone is just terrified of him and the way that Kenny is is just absolutely terrified whenever he comes in.
But he's just standing there with a bike and they stop in the car and Max is absolutely shit in himself.

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Yeah. And comes out and speaks to him.
Beautiful interaction. And I think, yeah, Teddy's just such a wonderful character.
He's just broken in terms of this. And Greg McEw is just absolutely fantastic in this role. Really, really wonderful.
I mean, it's the fact that they don't show Teddy actually committing any acts of overt violence.

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I mean, the closest we get to it is when he is when he is when he takes Kenny by the throat, as close as we get to him actually see them doing anything.
And yeah, it's just absolutely brilliant. Although I don't wonder where he got the old scoda from that he drove up to David Heyman's.
Yeah, listening to some good old Ranger's tunes as well when he was driving that.

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But as I say, he's not much of a driver, so he says, but then he was obviously able to navigate that motorbike as well.
No, because he was able to drive it there. So, yeah. And of course, yeah, we have the kind of the other main side kind of storyline is this bank deal that's going on, which is Stuart Porter as Jim McLean.

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Sorry, you didn't make no it as so Jim Sturrick.
And then we have again, she's just kind of referred to as the American Jim McLean.
He would be mad.
He rated that say Jim McLean.
You can write it yourself, but just wonder why he's just maybe wonder why he said Jim McLean.

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Oh, Jim McLean's, there is a character called Jim McLean in there.
Oh, yeah, there is Stuart Porter in this.
Yeah, so, and get the Alisa. She's only ever really referred to as the American woman, American girl, but she's here to try and get this bank deal through which kind of and she gets embroiled obviously with the brothers and everyone else because they end up well, not kidnapping.

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It's not kidnapping.
Can everyone stop seeing kidnapping is the scene goes.
So now you're going to kidnap me?
Oh, we do have to.
We have something you want badly enough to stay here for.
I just need you to sit there until you can tell me how we both went.
How is that not a kidnapping?

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Because it's for your own good. It feels like a kidnapping.
That's not helpful.
I'm not gonna kidnap him.
If you lot don't want to do a kidnapping, the first step would be to stop calling a fucking kidnapping.
Yeah, she kind of, yeah, interesting character. And again, another like, okay, was this really needed?
But I don't know, you know, as you say, it's almost like too many characters in this.

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I think we need her to sort of navigate the intricacies of the bank in deal for us, you know what I mean?
As the audience, you know, there's this, I think, I think we sort of needed that.
You know, why she had to be a medic and all that, I don't know, guess it's a choice that they made.
But she has good in it.
You know, to your point, yeah, maybe there's maybe she has one character too many, but she's certainly very, very good.

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Oh, yeah, don't get me wrong. I really enjoyed our performance.
And I enjoyed seeing her on screen as well, because she was, she's very lovely.
But yeah, kind of like, oh, well, you know, again, like as we've spoken about, it's kind of like, right?
If it was anything to do with the bank deal or the drug dealers, it's kind of like, oh, can we just get back to like Max and Jake, please?

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I kind of want to just, or Kenny, you know, I kind of want to spend time with these characters.
But don't get me wrong. I thought, you know, they were great. And I thought that everything happened for a reason and kind of led to the conclusion in the end.
But I agree with what we were speaking about earlier in terms of maybe there were slightly too many characters.
Do you agree that Frankie Miller is the best white singer since I was?

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That's quite a subject of opinion. I mean, he's definitely up there.
Jake thinks he's 16th at best is what Jake says, but David Haman is adamant that Frankie Miller is the best white singer since I was.
David Haman probably knows Frankie Miller, you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, we do.

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So yeah, definitely, yeah, definitely, we do.
But I think the, what strikes it from me is the, and this is why I don't want a four series of going on.
I would love a four series of going on, but I don't want because the ending is just so beautiful and it's because they use backwards walk by frightened Brad Pitt.
Yeah, yeah, and just as soon as that starts jangling, I'm just like, oh my God.

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And it's just so beautifully done in terms of that. I absolutely love that song.
You know, and I love, I love frightened rabbit. And just the beautiful, it's not often, you know, you see a song used so perfectly.
And I think it's just used so beautifully in that. And I'd be very happy to just kind of end it on that, for sure, if you know what I mean.

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Absolutely. Yeah, absolutely, absolutely. Yeah. And let's see, you know, let's see what happens.
You know, there were the sort of two threads left angle in the one that we spoke about earlier when Max goes to Aaron's and finds out that he's a father.
And there's the very quick scene when Sheila turns up at David Heyman's door.

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Yes.
Yeah, well, yes. What's going to happen here? Yeah. Well, he's obviously he's got his pension from his injury.
So, I'll eat to serve a little bit of company if that's what's what's going to happen, even if she is going to just flee some.
But he's not, you know, he's savvy though. He's healthy enough. He's out fishing every day and healthy enough.

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But there's not a scene between David Heyman and Mark Bonner when David Heyman says, you know, you're a lot like me.
And which may be think, well, is Sheila going to be able to get one over on David Heyman? You know what I mean?
Because he's not like someone suspect an old fella, you know? Yeah. Yeah, I think that's the...
Yeah, when he's speaking to him, yeah, I think your mother always said you were, you were like me. Yeah. Yeah, true.

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But I know. Yeah, maybe she won't be able to get one over on him then. Yeah. We'll just have to see.
So, anything else on season three, I guess? Shall we go through our awards?
The only thing I would say as well in terms of the... I did like the...
And they've been very clever in terms of the way they've divided this in terms of, you know, you're not an Edinburgh anymore.

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You're in Leith. Yeah. Different rules apply it. And it's very much Leith is just a separate area of Edinburgh.
Yeah. And it's different, you know, I guess it's like, I don't know, Compa and Old and Glasgow type thing.
You know, time of year. But yeah, I did like that when Skye's mum had made a Lisa, you know, I've done Yard Law and Sausage.
And such as vegetarian. And what Skye says to you, you know, you're not an Edinburgh anymore, you're in Leith. Yeah.

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Different rules apply. So yeah, I thought it was kind of good to be the... And Maggie and Jim, that's kind of a bone of contention in terms of, you know,
you're not from Leith, you're from Edinburgh. So it's very much... Yeah.
Leith is the kind of where you... The linchpin. Yeah.
I remember Welsh does quite a lot of that in his books. First of all, his books with the train spot and characters, you know, like the four or five books in the RRs.

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You know, the characters consider Edinburgh and Leith to be separate entities. You know, Leith isn't part of Edinburgh.
It's, you know, it's like it's an adjacent community, you know, when it's only...
Well, yeah, let's put it through the Swally Awards. What have we got first, right?
Okay, as always, the James Cosmo Award for Being in Everton, Scottish. I've given this to two actors here.

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So I've gone with Hayward in Hadington. Well, but you...
I've gone with Hadington and Logan. But yeah, Hayman would probably be up there as well. I think, yeah, you could probably do a three-way tie.
Yeah, maybe tie, yes. Because Logan's been a lot of stuff. So yeah, yeah.
I'm happy to go with that, I think, definitely.
Okay, the Bobby the Barman Award for Best Pub.

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Well, it's only two. Really, isn't there? There's Jake's Pub and then there's the hotel bar that they're in.
But, I mean, Jake's Pub. I'd fucking love to go there.
Oh, the every day. Yeah, that's brilliant. I mean...
Oh, and it's obviously that pub is somewhere in Scotland. There's no way they've gone to all the way to America just to film those scenes.
Yeah, that's true. Yeah, so maybe we could...

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Yeah, we need to find out. Yeah, I need to find out where that is. That's a great idea.
Yeah, I'd love to go there. It looked like a brilliant pub.
Yeah. Next then, the Jake McQuill and your T-Zoot Award.
Putled Johnny Watson being thrown over the balcony.
Which, you know, we didn't even strike up on Johnny Watson's little cameo.
Which is kind of in for a few minutes.

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I don't know, there's not a lot. Like we said, a lot of the violence is off-screen.
Yeah.
In terms of when someone's getting assaulted or done it.
I mean, I kind of... T-Zoot, you could kind of say...
I was going to actually pick Max getting his come-up and so the end.
Right.
Which, we kind of aren't really spoken about actually. In terms of, you know, Jake taking the money effectively.

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But then, it's not really a T-Zoot because he then goes to Aaron.
And his... Baby, so it's not really a T-Zoot.
So yeah, I kind of went with Johnny Watson being thrown over the balcony.
Because for the happy ending, you didn't know that he wanted, you know?
Yeah, true.
Well, I didn't go for Johnny Watson.
I went for the execution of Stevie because...
It's vet, you know, in a series which a lot of the violence has implied are off-screen.

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It was quite shocking, you know, where they can shoot this one room.
You know, we've seen people get shot on the head on TV about a million times.
But just because there's nothing in any of the episodes as violent as even when Linsh gets shot in the first episode.
We don't see it.
We see him lying at the ground being shot, but we don't physically see it.

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So it was quite...
Yeah, you're right.
It was quite jarring for a moment or two, just to see the little Stevie getting his brains blown out.
Yeah, you're right, actually. No, you're spot on there.
Yeah, that was quite a sad moment as well.
Shame, you kind of like Stevie who's with a dick in obviously previous series,
but you kind of was trying to redeem himself, so yeah, it was worth a shame.

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So the next one then, I couldn't... I don't think there was any.
The Yume Gregor Award for New Year's Day, nothing really is there?
No, we had enough on the last episode.
We're done for...
I think that's our quota for the next six months.
Yeah, of them, of podcasting in terms of us.

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We're covering from Young Adam.
And then I'll go into your help with this one, because I didn't know anything down when I watched it,
but the Francis beg be award for gratuitous swearing.
There's a... I mean, there's a few. There's not really gratuitous, but in terms of best use of swearing, there's...
There are a few, but my favourite one was when Maggie Linsh is speaking to Jim,

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and he's saying how he's released, and she says, "You're from Edinburgh, and you fucking know it."
And it's just kind of a put down.
And then again, the other choice I had was Maggie Linsh.
I can't remember the exact term she uses, but she does say, like, I think it's an episode four,

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like, "I run this fucking city, and... or I own this fucking city."
So yeah, I gave it to that, but yeah, I gave it to the "You're from Edinburgh, and you fucking know it."
Just the disdain in our voice of, you know, "You're not from fucking Lins, you're from Edinburgh."
And then archetypal Scots moment, what did you go for for us?

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So it's always puzzled me why the rest of Scotland has such disdain for the Kingdom of Fife.
Never really worth it, but there's a line where, I think Maggie says, "You always want fife in your rearview mirror."
No, I was like, "Well, why does fife get roasted so much?"
You know, they can, in Bob's servant, they roast fife as well.

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And so for me, there's something quite Scottish, I guess not if you live in fife, but, you know, for the rest of the country,
there's something quite Scottish about just had bitually roasting fife every opportunity.
Yeah, I guess it's just a...
Or a size trait, then, isn't it? Yeah, fun terms, maybe.
Roasting on fife. What about you? What did you go for?
I went for the, I think it's in the second episode when Jim is speaking to all of the American visitors for the bank,

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and they're drinking whisky, and he says, "We'll go to Edinburgh Castle, we'll get around a goal."
You know, you might as well have said, "We'll go and get some shortbread, get some haggis."
You know, get some backpipes, get a kill, let's just do it all, but...
Yeah, I went for that either that or Jake having Yarrage as his...
Yeah, it's his beer.

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I think because somebody earlier in the first CD scene, "This school Yarrage is well, which maybe it will have, we really said it."
And then last one, then, Sean Cawdenley Award, who won the show for you?
This is the toughest one. I want Mark Bonner in terms of series one and two, right?

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And I've got Mark Bonner for this as well, but I really want to give Phyllis Logan a shout, in terms of her performance,
but I kind of decided I was going to give it to Phyllis Logan and then watching it again to make my notes.
I'm like, "How can I look past Mark Bonner?"
His performance is just so good. It's the quips, the one liners, the facial expressions.

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You know every emotion he's going through just by looking at his face.
But then you also don't know what the character is going to do next.
And he's just a masterful, like genuinely one of the greatest characters ever created.
I just like...
And you know every love that sort of self-satisfied smile that he does when something works out is, you know, it's... if Sharks could grin, I feel like that's what they would look like.

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They would look like Max.
Yeah, but you know what, there was... the way he bounces off of anyone he's on screen, yes.
When he's with Ellie, having Tim, just bouncing off. And David Heyman, one of my favorite lines of the show was when Max and David Heyman are having a chat with his calm down stairs and they're speaking late at night.

(01:30:08):
And he points at the cross and he says, "Did you get that cracker?"
And David Heyman says, "No, I tried it for a while. I went to confession and Max says, "That must have taken a while."
Heyman, quick as a flash, because yeah, we had to stop for lunch.
"Did you get that cracker?"
I gave her a go. Confession.

(01:30:31):
"Well, must have taken a while. We had to stop for lunch."
The back and forth, he just seems to get out of everyone.
It seems what Ellie McCallum, I'm sorry, Ellie Haddinton, or just phenomenal.
And with Phyllis Logan as well. And anyone he's on screen with.
And it's just the difference of the interaction, like when he's on screen with Ellie, you can actually feel the kind of sexual tension smoldering.

(01:30:56):
And you're just like, "Just hug it out or do something."
Yeah, you know what? It has to be more born.
Just absolutely won this series and won the show for me. He's just phenomenal.
Yeah, I can't wait to see what comes up next for him.
I'm just absolutely tied his flag to the mast with his...

(01:31:18):
Well, he's working with Ridley Scott at the moment.
Is this Napoleon film?
Yeah, so it's not bad.
So yeah, he's definitely doing well.
And good on him, because he's fucking it's her, because he's absolutely brilliant.
Very good.
Oh, okay.
Well, I guess that wraps up series of girls.

(01:31:39):
So that was my choice on the podcast, Greg.
So why do you tell us what we're going to be looking at on the next episode of The Cultures One?
Well, and unfortunately, I need to take you out your culture at your comfort zone a wee bit and take you back to the turn of the 20th century for the next one.
But it's a film, so I'm sure you'll be able to top it out.

(01:32:02):
Yeah, I've gone for the starring Gerald Butler in Peter Mullin 2018's The Vanishing, the movie based on the 1900 disappearance of the Flannin Ails Fleet House crew.
Watch the trailer yesterday with my daughter, and she said, "Don't like it, let's watch that.
Let's watch that with you as well."
So, I'll be a swallly first.

(01:32:24):
My daughter actually watching something that we're reviewing on the podcast with me.
That was gonna be one of my next picks.
Well, that's swallly.
Sorry mate.
Sorry.
It's okay.
I've already got my next pick, sorry.
But that was gonna be probably my pick after, right?
So I haven't watched the trailer, and I've listened to a podcast the other week with a guy who I think had written a book about the actual disappearance spoiler alert.

(01:32:53):
My due, the film is called The Vanishing.
It's kind of, you write in a book about The Vanishing.
And yeah, I'll go back and re-listen to that episode, actually.
I'll try and find it.
But yeah, fascinating story.
Yeah, so yeah, I'm looking forward.
It's Gerald Butler, Peter Mullin, Connor Swindels.

(01:33:14):
Oh yeah.
Okay.
Wonderful.
Well, I will look forward to watching The Vanishing then.
All right.
Thank you very much for listening.
Everyone, hope you enjoyed the show.
If you'd like to get in touch with us, you can email us on cultureswallly@gmail.com.
And you can get in touch with any new stories you've seen.
You'd like to share or if you've got any requests that you'd like us to cover, then you can get in touch with us on there.

(01:33:38):
And you can follow us on the social media on Instagram @cultureswallypod
or on Twitter @swallypod.
And Greg, we have a wonderful website as well, don't we?
It's a wonderful, but sadly a little neglected website, which needs my attention.
But yet you can find us at cultureswallypod.com.
There's links to all the episodes and a few features to read over where you're supposed to be at work.

(01:34:00):
Because they were written when I was supposed to be at work.
[Laughs]
Fantastic.
Well, it was wonderful to catch up, but yeah, I would say like it's been the first time in a month.
But obviously I saw you a couple of weeks ago.
And well, I spoke to you a couple of nights ago.
So, yeah, but it's wonderful to catch up again on the Swally and get back into the spirit of things.

(01:34:23):
So, I hope this episode was okay.
We might have been a little bit rusty because it was like a month that we'd had off.
But you can join us next time for the vanishing and we'll be back to normal service.
And so, next time.
Soon when I look out there, it comes right back to me, Lex.
I had a decision that night.
Then don't look out there.
How can that road not speak to you?

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A cousin's a road.
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