Episode 92 - Tutti Frutti (1987) - The Culture Swally

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Happy New Year!
Happy New Year!
I was just thinking should I say Happy New Year?
We're recording on the 14th of January so we're kind of two weeks in.
Yeah, I never know when it's acceptable to stop saying Happy New Year.
Because you're one of the people that you haven't seen since last year like for weeks in
January.
Yeah, and we have spoken multiple times in the, I think we've spoken every day in the 14

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days, but I've prescribed this so yeah we've already said, I think we wish each other
happy New Year back on midnight anyway so we're having it.
Yeah, to our listeners happy New Year because this is our first proper episode.
We did have the best of the new special came out but this is, I don't think I wish everyone
to have a new year on that so yeah, it's all done actually, it's all over.
It's now into the, the marquee depths of Gloomy January but yeah and of course this is going

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out on Burns Night so yeah it's a good Scottish thing that we've scheduled this episode to
go out on Burns Night.
So, do you do anything special on Burns Night?
No, unfortunately not.
I mean, I don't know, I'll be around, I think last year I was, I was somewhere else, maybe

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in one Q8 or Qatar or somewhere like that but I think I'm in Dubai this year so I might
see if there's anything going on so I don't know if my wife has ever been to a Burns
Supper and she likes Haggis, she does like Haggis, you know, she's West Indie and they, they
like all the golden, all that sort of stuff, they're not fussy about the protein so she's
a big fan of Haggis so I think if we find them, I think if we can find something to make

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me go along, maybe I can see you.
See, I've not been a Kilt On since my sister was wedding and that was in 2019 and I'm ashamed
to say that I was sort of pulled in my breath all day because I'm not, I'm not, I'm not,
not the man I was when I bought that Kilt in 2007 unfortunately so maybe if this you've

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been get it on, if I get it on then get Kilted up and maybe attend the B Dubai Burns thing.
Yeah I tried my own last year just because same as you I'm like I haven't worn my Kilt in
about eight years or something like I wonder if it still fits so I actually tried it on and
yeah it still fit perfectly so I was quite happy with that.
Yeah, fuck off.
[Laughs]

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Good for you.
Anyway, how's everything else?
You brought up ten as an exciting?
No, just just going back to 1987 for or a TV show that we're talking about after the
news today and a very joyous trip back in time it was but kind of getting ahead of myself
a little bit.

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Yeah, we've all been gushing until later.
We've been heavily in the 80s over the last few weeks haven't we?
We are texting the other night, watching Bullseye from 1983.
And there was quite a few Scottish contestants on it as well.
We could have done a special on that but yeah, you got to put your finger in the first
ring, didn't we?
I mean, I'm sure it's been spoken about a hundred thousand times over the last ten, twenty

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years, whatever Bullseye but it's just, you just don't think, you can pay it to modern
quizzes and I quite like a quiz.
You know, I've just got this new TV thing, well last few weeks so I've been enjoying watching
the chase and I've been enjoying watching Stephen Fry hosting Jeopardy and so I'm up for a quiz

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and there's a certain type of person that is that is on and I don't, I'm not trying to
make fun of the people that go on the quiz, the modern questions.
Okay, they're just not the same as the people who came on Bullseye.
You know what I mean?
Because the people who came on Bullseye just seemed incredibly recognizable.
You know what I mean? In fact, there was one episode that watched the other night where,

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I mean, I didn't know the guy who was throwing the darts but he looked so familiar that I
was really racking my brain to see and then I heard him talk and he was an English guy and
I thought, I probably won't know him but he just looked so familiar.
So everything, the way he moved and everything and I don't see people that I recognise
on the chase.
No, the people that are on Bullseye are, yeah, the people you would see in your Daz pub

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or you'd see coming out the bookies or just stumbling down Falker High Street.
Yeah, shouting abuse at the pigeons.
The sort of guys who hold their cigarette between their finger and their thumb, you know?
But with their hand up to stop the envelope off, you know, they're outside.

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What kind of guys?
Yeah, no, I've definitely been enjoying Bullseye.
I missed that.
I think it was you actually, wasn't it? You messaged me a couple of months ago and you're
like, I've just watched three episodes of Big Break on YouTube.
I miss Big Break as well.
That was great.
I know that I have to say, I thoroughly enjoyed the return of Gavadiators last night.

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It was moved from ITV to BBC One, which has actually been audience.
It means there's no adverts.
It's just, you know, it's, and I, yeah, go on.
I was just going to say, I still haven't watched it yet because I was, as you were aware,
I was out yesterday and I came in just as it was finishing, but so I haven't actually
watched it yet, but I'm going to do that this afternoon.

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I mean, they've been smart in the sense that although it's like new and obviously it's
all new gladiators because the original gladiators too old to be swinging around.
But the, it feels the same.
You know, Brad DeWolge and his son Barney are hosting it.
I know that, I quite like Brad DeWolge, but it feels, it sort of retains true to the original

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series that was on in the early 90s when we were young and impressionable when attracted
to Jett and the other beautiful lady gladiators.
Is it still in the same place that Birmingham and NEC?
No, it's moved to Sheffield.
It's in Sheffield.
Steele City.
Sheffield, Steele City.
So it sort of works.
Steele City.
Sean Bean, that's the first thing I think of when I think of Sheffield.

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Anyway, Sean.
We've got plenty other 80s chap coming up later.
Yeah, for it.
Right, let's move on from the 80s.
Shall we have a look at what's been happening in the news in Scotland over the last couple
of weeks?
For the first time in 2024, you are the jingle.
[Music]
Hello!
This is the Outdoor Heavilys Broadcasting Corporation and here is what's been going on in the

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news.
Okay, Greg.
What have you seen in the news over the last couple of weeks and in 2024?
And you'd like to share with me and our lovely listeners?
Well, one of our stories on that we put on the best of news the episode that came out
last week, still available, concerned the American fugitive Nicholas Rossi and how he felt

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he was being bullied by the prisoners of sorting who kept, who kept singing to the John
Denver classic, leaving on a jet plane as he fights extra edition to the US.
Did you put off not singing it there?
Well, I can tell you that Nicholas Rossi is now leaving on a jet plane, but before he did,

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before he left on his jet plane, he wrestled Marshalls with his trousers down and trying to avoid
the flying out of Scotland.
So what's not funny about Nicholas Rossi is that he's wanted for sexual assaults against
women in the US.
What is funny about him is that he claims that his name isn't Nicholas Rossi, that his

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names are through nights and that it's been a thick assault, like I mentioned before, a
bit of a campaign by prisoners in sorting prison against them just to upset them, basically,
no violence, just upset them.
So as I mentioned, singing, leaving on a jet plane, they've been, apparently he is declared
himself to be Jewish so that they keep putting ham in his sandwiches, stuff like that.

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Just like, this sort of like torture that you want, sex case to endure in prison.
So this was on the 7th January, the story is in the daily record.
So fugitive sex offender Nicholas Rossi, roared and cried as he left jailed, we put on
a flight out of Scotland heading for the US.
With 36-year-old, was forced onto the plane after wrestling with staff on the tarmac with

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his trousers round his ankles.
His wife Miranda Knight made last minute legal efforts on Friday to stop the flight
taken off from Edinburgh Airport, which had officials from the US Marshall Service in
the Department of Justice on board.
A source said he was on the plane but his wife was still trying to get some legal representation
to stop it, but in vain.
Neither her nor Rossi were given any notice that it was going to happen when it did, but

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it should be expecting it.
So yeah, basically, the eyewitness goes on to say the Marshalls had to struggle with him.
It's obviously they didn't want to get on the plane.
He struggled so much that his trousers, any, no, but his ankles.
So that's him, he's a prison source, her majesty is prison Edinburgh, formerly known as

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Soughton Nick, where Rossi has been walked up for the last 18 months said Rossi was rolling
and crying as he was taken away.
He had no idea what was coming when he went into his cell and said he was leaving.
The prison staff are glad to get rid of him.
His demands and fake illnesses were just waiting everybody down.
So that's him, he's off to the US to be tried there for his historical crimes.

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I mean, he reckoned that he was identified because of some tattoos that he's got that one
of these, one of the women that he's said to have attacked, and I identified him by, and
he claimed that when he was in a coma with COVID, somebody tattooed him.
Do you know what I mean?
It's just the worst excuse.

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Who's going round like the hospitals of Scotland tattooing coma patients?
Nobody, as you're well aware, as well as watching Bullseye, I have recently been rewatching
the late 90s TV show Oz, which is of course set in a maximum security US prison.

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I think Rossi's the least of his worries will be prisoners singing, leaving on a jet
plane and putting bacon or ham in his sandwiches, but he ends up there because if all is a true
reflection of what goes on in American prisons, he's going to be in for a hell of a rough
time.
Well, you could say it's some right.

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Yeah, it fucking does.
Yeah.
But anyway, that's him.
He's finally left on his jet plane off to America, to stand trial.
So that's my first story that will Rossi update there.
I don't think we'll be hearing about him again.
About the prisoners in Scotland are bereft.
I'm just going to give it a time now.

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Anyway, that's my first story.
What's your first story this week?
My first story is from Aberdeen Live this week, Greg, and the headline reads, Aberdeen
Drug Dealer caught after mass text to 169 people offering cocaine and heroin.
So a drug trafficker was caught with narcotics worth nearly 170,000 pounds on the streets

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after sending a bulk text message to 169 recipients, claiming he had heroin and cocaine for sale.
Ethan Elite threw two packages containing class A drugs from the kitchen window of a flat
in Aberdeen into the garden after police forced entry into the premises.
Other officers were stationed in the Viergarten, while colleagues entered the address in the

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city's Victoria Road, sorry.
The packages were recovered and found to contain heroin and cocaine and larger quantities
of drugs were discovered in a North Face Hold-All in the flat.
It's quite important it's a North Face Hold-All.
You know, using a Gola Hold-All or a Pony Hold-All, it's North Face, proper quality.

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I bet North Face will be over the moon to be associated with it.
Great for stashing your drugs.
Almost half a kilo of heroin was in a bag and a further batch of bags contained high-purity
cocaine, the high-court in Edinburgh herd.
A judge was told if the drugs were broken down into street deals for sale, they had the
potential to make 169,880 pounds.

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That's a very specific amount.
Why didn't they just say 170 grand?
A month before the raid on the flat, Elite was stopped by police officers in Guild Street
in Aberdeen under a drug search.
No drugs were found on them, but officers recovered two mobile phones and discovered he was in
possession of 540 pounds in cash.
An examination of one of the phones found that on the day of the stop, it received a message

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reading on where Rod W and Scab best-gonna boot.
Advocate dispute Craig Barrett told the court.
The word Rod W in this context means cocaine.
The word Scab means "diamorphine", which is heroin.
The text message was therefore an offer to sell to the accused an unknown quantity of cocaine

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and dimorphine, said the prosecutor.
Elite sent out the text message to 169 others 20 minutes later on 14 February, reading
for you the February, 2020, reading "On with ten at a ten, raw holly and ten at a ten
scab, get on me, don't miss out."

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The court heard that raw holly was an abbreviation of raw holly boot, which meant cocaine.
I've never heard that.
If I hear raw holly, I'm just thinking about Paul Hollywood going in without loop.
Yeah, I'd be able to hear that expression either, but, you know, one word.

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Mede-l-age men in the case, probably a good thing, but not a good thing.
That's true, yeah.
I can't see by any Scab or raw holly, so I don't know.
During the later search of the flat on April 13th, the police also recovered scales with
traces of cocaine and heroin.
They also found a jacket with a leech-driving license and a thousand pounds in one pocket

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and a further two hundred and ninety pounds in another.
Elite 24, formerly of Beerfield Terrace, admitted to being concerned in the supply of heroin
and cocaine in February and April.
The court heard that he has previous convictions for possession of class age drugs, but has never
previously been sentenced to imprisonment.
Defense counsel Neil Shannon said, "Clearly a significant custodial sentence is inevitable

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in this case."
And the judge adjourned the sentence for a preparation of a back row round report and
remanded him in custody.
So I mean sending out a message to 169 people, that's probably as full phone book, is probably
a risky move in terms of offering raw hollywood and raw holly and Scab.

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I mean, do I think it's like a strange feature on a phone anyway?
Why would you need to send the same message to every single person that you know?
Now I remember years and years ago and I'm talking like probably about 12 years ago, it was
handy for New Year and I would just send text message to my full phone book Happy New Year,

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having done that for a very long time.
No, it's okay.
I think it's always you and Barn Beach, your friend that I've been message to Happy New
Year, my sister.
Yeah, that's about it.
So yeah, I don't know, but I guess it's handy for mass communication, but I guess nowadays
you would just be in a group chat with everyone.
Yeah, I don't know if he was in a group chat with his 169 customers.

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So do we think that the name Ethan Elite is his like hip hop name?
Oh, it could be actually.
Yeah, it could be.
You think he's spitting rhymes with all about the raw holly?
Yeah, exactly.
All about the Scab, little bit of Scab.
I've never heard of anybody's second name being Elite, especially an Aberdeen.
I don't think I've ever met the Tory elites or the Hazelhead elites.

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You don't mean well.
He's not very elite at being a drug dealer by looks at things.
Or maybe he is, you know, he's got caught with them.
All that coke and heroin in his north face hold all.
So we'll see what happens to him.
I have to say that must have been, it must have been days like that when it must just
be a right laugh mean up the spoon because they're in the back garden.

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So obviously, they've always they created what he would do.
They've in the back garden just catching packets of drugs.
It's a guy from the window about, about the work about the officers were fucking pissing
themselves.
How the crap?
Normally in, you know, you see in films or something that they would be flushing it down

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the toilet, but no, he's just a robot the winter into the back.
And he's a load of cops there which is catching it.
Thank you.
Thanks very much.
Okay, nicely.
I'll have literally just see you through it.
I've got it on my body cab.
So you can't deny it.
Okay.
See you chocolate at the winter.
Oh, it's you on me.
Oh, fucking idiot.
Never mind.

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So yeah, I'll keep it out of the news and find out when he gets sentenced, but I think he
will be probably in for a large custodial sentence on the back of that.
I think so too.
Well, they look.
Yeah.
Right.
Well, so do you see this week, Greg?
Well, my next story concerns a program which I think it's one of the things that you and

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I, they sort of bonded over like when we first got to know each other.
So the classic HBO TV show, the sopranos celebrate in its, celebrate in its twenty fifth anniversary
this year for CDs been out in 1999, but there's a connection to Scotland because the iconic

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theme song woke up this morning is by Scottish rock band Alibama 3.
Of course.
Yeah.
So this is from the daily record today.
The headliner's Glasgow Hardman and crime families inspired the iconic sopranos hit song
Natorias Posil Park.
No less was the inspiration for the theme song of the TV show woke up this morning by rock

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band Alibama 3 features at the start of each episode of the sopranos showing Ruth
this mafia boss Tony soprano played by James Gandalfini smoking a cigar as he drives over
the bridge from Manhattan to New Jersey where the TV show set.
But on the show's twenty fifth anniversary, a band member has revealed how the iconic words

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in music were inspired more by the hard band of Glasgow than the tough guys of New Jersey
in New York where the show is set.
Rob Sprag wrote the song in 1997 with fellow Alibama 3 member Jake Black.
He had grown up in the tough housing estate of Posil Park on the north side of the city.
Then the area, I think probably still is, had one of the highest crime rates in the country

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and drugs and violence were rife.
It was also home to feared gangs like the young Posil fleet of which Jake Black was a
member in Natorias crime families like the Daniels.
Sprag said that much of the menace in woke up this morning that first attracted the sopranos
creator David Chase was inspired by Black Subbringan.

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He said the song had been released as a single in the USA in 1997 and Chase heard it on
the radio as he was driving from New York to New Jersey.
He thought it was perfect for the show.
The song really took off after that.
It still sounds really fresh even now, and I agree with that, which suggests that we were
ahead of our time, though we were seen as a bit of a novelty band at the time.

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Unfortunately, Jake Black died in 2019 at the age of 59 after falling ill on stage at
a concert in Lancashire, as they later left for a church service in Posil.
Sprag added, "Jack was proud of his upbringing and his roots and that it's reflected in
the song.
I think Chase got that sense of menace coming all the way from Posil when he heard it

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for the first time.
Over the years, Jake would regale the bands with hilarious stories about his upbringing.
Though I could exude a native menace himself on stage, Jake was very warm and witty and
one of the most intelligent and well-read men I have ever met.
The song was originally inspired by the real-life story of abused wife Sarah Thornton who snapped

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and killed her alcoholic husband in 1989.
Did not know that.
Over the years, the bands have turned down lucrative offers for the song to be used in
adverts.
This also refused an offer of £800,000 in 2020 to buy out the entire rights.
Most of the songs revenue, which features vocals from Robin Jake, comes from royalties and

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radio plays.
It featured a last year's Super Bowl and Robbie Warwick Up, as well as a latest John Wick
movie, two episodes of The Simpsons and Top Gear.
The annual royalty payments to band members have been limited to between £5 and £10,000
and the cause of the number of people Jewish here, including artists whose work issues in
the song including howling wolf and muddy waters.

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Sprag said, "Well, forzist the temptation over the years to exploit the song commercially,
which is kept a quite cool.
However, I am sure, as in the best gangster movies, that somebody eventually is going to make
a 'an offer' that we can't refuse."
So, nice little close up there, so I thought, being as the podcast is called The Culture

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Swally and most of our news stories are about people getting caught whanking and sex dolls
and stuff like that.
Are we story about actual Scottish culture in the news?
Maybe a wee different change of pace?
Yeah, that's lovely.
That's brilliant.
Yeah, you're right.
That was one of the things we kind of first bonded over, I think, was our mutual love for

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the sopranos.
And I actually watched an episode the other day.
I was just flicking around sky and they were showing it at the moment.
So, yeah.
Watch one.
But I have H.B.L. Max and they have the whole series.
And I think once I've finished Oz, I'm going to start a rewatch of the sopranos because it's
just genuinely one of my favourite shows.

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And that intro is so iconic and that song is so iconic.
You just can't help but listen to that and feel like, I don't know, I can even describe
the feeling you get when you hear that song.
It's just so cool.
Yeah.
It's so hip and you just kind of feel you're with Tony in his car, smoking cigar, going over
the Brooklyn bridge and then, yeah, it's just iconic.

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And then, you know, when he slams the car door and just the way it ends, oh, fucking brilliant.
So yeah, that's really good to hear that obviously it's a Scottish band that did that song and
yeah, good luck to them.
I watched a couple of episodes actually this week of the sopranos for the same reasons
that you did, like it was on.
And the second, the episode I watched was like the second episode of the first series.

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So I'm here to mind that it is.
I think I watched the second and the third series, the second and the second episode.
I watched them all from kind of front to back.
I think during the pandemic, I think I watched, like, they just watched them all, about the
sopranos rewatch.
So I think I probably watched the entire series, maybe three times over the years.

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Well, the last episode, the last episode, I think, came out in 2006 or 2007, something like
that.
And I remember when they launched Sky Atlantic in the UK, they were showing the sopranos
like all the way through, you know, that was back in 2000, or something like that.
So, but yeah, it doesn't feel like a 24-year-old TV show.

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The only time that it maybe shows its age is when you see the mobile phones that they're
in, or they're talking about how DVD is better than laser disc.
Well, you know, when I went to Christopher and Brandon are robin the trucks.
But just, you know, the sort of humour and the thing that it's retained, and you touched

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on it, there is that it's still a fucking really cool show.
Even though, like, most of the people in it aren't sort of conventionally good-looking
kind of people, you know, there, but the very unique looking about the guys are sort of older,
middle-aged guys and stuff, but they're still just cool, the fuck, even in their tracks, in

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their shell suits and they're, you know, I mean in their white beat or vests and all that.
Yeah, it made tracks, it's cool.
Yeah, it's one of those shows that I genuinely remember watching the first episode, as it went
out live on Channel 4, and because they'd been heavily trailing it, I think, and I was
like, I need to watch this show, and I remember watching the first episode, and just loving

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it, and then that was it every week.
I just watched it, it was kind of like, nothing else to do at that time.
I have to watch the sopranos.
And yeah, absolutely, love that show so much.
And you're right, it just makes them even sitting in their tracks, it's, yeah, string vests
on the street, but they just look so effortless, they're cool.
Like, if you can make like four or five sort of middle-aged, slightly over a week,

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sitting, drinking the espresso outside a fucking butcher shop on a pavement, sunny day cool,
then you're clearly somebody of considerable talent.
Anyway, so that was my second story.
It was nice to be connected with something as iconic as that.
What's your next story this week?
My next story is from Glasgow Live this week, Greg, and it concerns X Rangers player.

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That's how he would like to be known, I imagine.
Gordon Ramsay, although he never actually really made a proper appearance for Rangers, but
yeah, we'll let him take what it does.
So the headline is Gordon Ramsay's full Scottish burger, urged by Scots to get in the bin.
So Gordon Ramsay has taken to social media to show off one of his latest creations, but

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it's not going down as well as he thought it would.
After posting about his full Scottish available at his Edinburgh restaurant, the chef and
TV star was soon hit by criticism with people saying it was far from a full Scottish, and
that's because of a few things that don't belong there.
In his caption, he wrote, "Try the full Scottish that Gordon Ramsay Street Burger Edinburgh,

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with Lauren Sosage, a hash brown, and an easy over egg."
The Brioche Burger contains a square sausage, egg, a hash brown, and controversially let
us into Mato.
And it's very apparent nobody thinks the last of those three things belong in any full Scottish
breakfast, with one calling the chef a chance.

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Taking to X, often called Twitter.
As a first I've seen that, norably, it's previously, or, yeah, they've done often called Twitter.
People spoke their minds, and it's clear while some were keen to get their hands on and
around the burger, others were more happy to stay away.
Someone said, "18 quid for a sausage and egg, double or?" No Scottish person put salad

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in a breakfast roll, getting a seagort though.
Getting a seagort though.
Another roll, getting a seagort though.
Another roll, Neta is gone, and the roll is too posh, and the slice looks far too lean,
and there seems to be some green shite on it.
A third simply said, "Nah, Gordon, nah."
Whilst another roll, hash brown, that's no Scottish, and as for let us it breakfast, have

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a fucking word for yourself.
A fifth added, get that roll, that lettuce, and that tomato in the bin.
The hash brown can stay at a push.
On the side though, Neta we taught you, scone on the side as well.
And a proper roll would be good.
I did see a post on Twitter about it as well, and someone posted there, there's no, a Scottish

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person alive that's putting lettuce and tomato in that roll, yeah, Fanny.
So yeah, Gordon's come under a little bit of criticism for his full Scottish roll because
he's got lettuce and tomato on it.
Now it's obviously a burger, so I don't think it's meant to be eaten at breakfast time.

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But yeah, so a square sausage, obviously, I'm out immediately because, if famously,
you know, that gives me heartburn.
And obviously my vegetarian is there.
Yeah, more important.
A square sausage, egg, hash brown lettuce and tomato in a brioche bun.
It sounds quite nice though, doesn't it?

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I mean, it sounds fine.
I think, you know, as a spectre that he wasn't, he didn't come up with it as a Scottish
tribute.
But if he did, it could maybe swap the hash brown for a wee toy, scone.
That'd be nice.
That'd make more sense than a hash brown.
Yeah, I mean, I like a hash brown, but it's not Scottish.

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Yeah.
I mean, toy scone is, you know?
Swap the brioche for like a well-fired roll.
Yeah.
Yeah, and I think you need a little bit of haggis in there as well.
Like a nice little, slightly haggis.
Yeah.
Yeah.
A wee, a wee, sort of whiskey-based relish or something like that, but on there, we've got
a sweetness and spice.
That sounds nice, actually.

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Now, yeah, maybe we should get onto X, often called Twitter.
And then, the loyal message, I know he got it.
He got it though.
I know he had a multi-billionaire and a world famous chef, but we've thought of some improvements
that we could do on your fucking full Scottish burger.
We've noticed where you're going wrong.
Just give me that advice here, Gordon.

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He's got a funny relationship with Scotland Gordon Ramsay, because, okay, but I know he was
born in, I mean, I read his autobiography years ago and he was born in Johnson.
And his mum's Scottish.
Now, see me as mum on a TV, when you used to do the F-word in Channel 40, I thought he
had her on a couple of times.
Seemingly, with the sole name of Humiliate and her, so you used to do like a sort of cooking,
they would have like a competition where him and somebody else would do their own version

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of like a classic.
I remember him and I, you know, I'll muddy.
They made bread and butter puddings, and the guests had to decide which one was the best.
But he got his mum on.
I can't remember what she was making, but it was a real sort of hearty dish, big steak
pie or something like that, right?
So, he gets his mum on to go up against her, making his steak pie against her steak pie.

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And then, obviously, he's a fucking Michelin star chef who works in Paris, right?
And his mum's just a wee Scottish woman, probably a recipe that's been handed down from
her mum.
And Gordon Ramsay won.
And he was, he was like, yeah, you know, you were thinking, if you get your mum on, you're

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fucking better wins, right?
You're not getting it, get it, run you.
Right up you.
So, but they moved away from Scotland when he was nine.
Now, I, I moved, they didn't keep his accent, I moved away from Scotland when I was eight,
although I did come back when I was 14.

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But I didn't, I didn't lose my accent.
You know, I mean, he's obvious.
He's obviously just tried to fit in, not, he's been made, made fun of, said a bit.
Yeah, probably.
I mean, I don't know.
He's quite a controversial figure, Ramsay.
Even though he's an ex-hunt, apparently.
I, I can't help but love the guy.
Oh, I do like him.
He's brilliant.

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Yeah.
And I've read a lot about him online, actually, and I've, I have read, I've met him, actually,
yeah, I met him in Dubai.
I went to his, um, bread street kitchen.
Oh, yeah.
That's cool, I met him.
Yeah.
I have to say I've read a lot about him online.
I've never heard a bad word about him, if you know what I mean.
Like, yeah.
He's lovely and I think it says a lot, like all of his staff, like, no one says a bad word

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about him.
Yeah.
He's amazing to work for.
And I think it is a persona that he's this angry, sweary chef, but I think he does demand
obviously high caliber, but I think he's, he's very good about it and fair.
And I think, and a, a good guy.
I mean, he's, his celebrity initially was built on his temper because he was, I remember

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the first show and I remember watching it was that boiling point where obviously, obviously,
like somebody had heard them ripping off.
Call me chef.
Like a new arsehole or something and decided that it would make a goods, a good subject
for like a sort of flying wall, a documentary.
Um, and he'll be sort of famously worked for Mark Opie, a white and all that, didn't he?
But he, um, he, um, but, you know, I, I sort of understand.

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I've been in the same industry, right?
So I could, I could understand what he was obviously very, very driven and I, you know,
and didn't, anybody, any passengers were swiftly fucking, kind of kicked off the boat, you
know, if they weren't, kind of pulling their way or doing what they were doing, do I remember
on, sacking a waiter on the spot because the waiter took a drink of water in the dining

(33:46):
room and he didn't want the diners to, they didn't think the diners should have to see
a waiter, haven't they?
The drink of water and I find diners restaurant and fucking can them. Um, but I think now,
to your point, you know, I think he's, he's obviously been mass of this successful and he's
probably not that guy anymore.
And he does, he plays that guy in Hell's Kitchen because that's, uh, that's one of me and my

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family's favorite shows.
Um, but, but he's obviously been, that's what, that's all about.
It's all about him fucking cracking up at them when they make mistakes and things like that.
Um, but I think to your point is actually probably quite mellow by comparison to what
it was in the, in the late 90s when he first sort of came to tell me, yeah, Michael back and
watch some of the old kitchen nightmares because they were fantastic.

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I mean, I, I never really liked the US ones because that was, that felt a lot of falsified
drama.
But it was always, uh, it always kicked off, but the UK one was so raw and, yeah, yeah, um,
and the first series or so was just fucking amazing.
And tell you the good, just the, the idiots that you couldn't believe.
Um, but as it went on and became more successful and especially with a US export, it became

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a little bit more panto.
But that first couple of series of kitchen nightmares is just epic television when he's
just, you know, ripping the apps out of people.
And, but he's doing it from a good place as well.
He's like, oh, what would you succeed?
You know, and he goes into a restaurant.
They have like 40 things in the menu and he's like, step it back.
Have like six things that you do well rather than why are you, you know, you've got a fucking

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restaurant in Hamilton High Street.
Why are you cooking jambalaya and egg and chips and see bass?
Like, no, stick to what you know.
Well, if you, if you, if you ever, if you want to meet that low and you want to be cheered
up, just watch the opening credits for his hotel, hell TV show.
Okay, you up.

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All right.
I'll, I'll look at that after finish recording.
Uh, okay.
Um, have you seen anything else in the news this week, Greg?
Nope, that's it.
Right.
Well, it is Burns night as this episode goes out.
Um, I, I think we need to think about the big man because if he said a Christmas party,

(35:56):
yeah, and he said a new year party.
Yeah.
He's having a Burns supper, isn't he?
Cosmo.
He's just back from Bulgaria.
He's had his couple of lines in his swords and sandals film.
It's Burns night at the Cosmos.
And I promise listeners, we're retiring Cosmo after this for a while.
But we need to speak about his Burns night.
So I'm thinking that Christmas in New Year, everyone's invited, obviously apart from McGregor,

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Anderson, Compton, Gusrey, and now, now Robertson as well.
He's on the list, but it's kind of an open house.
Everyone's invited, but the Burns supper is Cosmos.
It's something that he really relishes and he really looks forward to.
And you know, he, it's just him and Mrs Cosmo, they live a simple life.
They have like a six-seater dining table, but it's an extender and it pulls out and you

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can have 10 people round this table.
So he's off to the shed.
He gets the extra four seats out the shed, gives him a dust off.
He's got his ten seats round the table.
Who is Cosmo inviting to his Burns supper, do you think?
Well, I think, you know, I think the chairs they get out the shed are the garden chairs,
because he's only got six chairs at the match the table.
So he's got to get the garden chairs out.

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So four guests are going to be sitting a bit more.
So that, so that will inform who's on the guest list.
I think, you know, he's, he's already said that New Year's Eve, that would be the last
party was having, but you know, is it, do you say it is, Burns tonight?
He has to be very, very selective about who he invites.
He can't be in, you know, so, he amens out because, you know, he doesn't want he amens

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passed out, sleeping in the sofa when they're addressing the haggis later on.
They like to clear the chairs in the table at one side in the weekend in a different
room.
So everybody's got to be in their feet for that.
So, him and just, he can't be trusted by a Burns supper.
I think he invites, I think in years gone by, Robby Coltrane would have been invited.
I think he invites Elaine C Smith, very elegant lady, probably Barbara Raffer, to ease in

(37:54):
the guest list as well.
Yeah, I think he invites Costello just because, you know, he feels a bit beholden to him.
He needs a bit of a, I'd dig out now and again, you know, it's not, he's not getting parts
and wonder women all the time.
So, you know, I just pray, my Lord, he's a good egg, Costello.
You know what, I mean, always stays back and helps tidy up at the end of the night and stuff.
So I think Costello gets invited.

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Yeah, definitely.
Yeah, definitely.
I agree with you on that.
I think Rafferty, Elaine C Smith, I think Ellie Haddington would be invited as well.
Yep.
You know, her and Mrs. Cosmo are good pals.
True.
I think Norton has to be there.
Alex Thornton will be there for sure.
Yep, I think he definitely, he's probably driving Elaine C Smith, the Barbara Rafferty

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through from Glasgow.
So, he'll be there.
He'll be on the American Cream Soda or the bar's strike cola.
No, drums for Norton.
And I was thinking maybe like a random one would be maybe Gilly Gilles' Christ would be
invited, you know, just kind of Cosmo likes him.
So he's invited him along for the Burn's Supper.

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Gilles' Christ is there.
I think Tony Curran as well, but I think Cosmo, he likes to be the kind of premier redhead
at the table, you know what I mean?
Does it want, you know, a bike Curran can feel a bit like a USurper, you know, the next generation
of striking ginger gentleman making a big splash in film and television?

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And I think he's left a chair open for Butler because he's invited Butler.
Yeah.
And he always hopes that Butler is going to come, but he very rarely does.
He's too busy filming.
Is he?
Someone about the White House or something.
Yeah.
Or something, but he's too busy, but he does leave a chair for Butler.
He's open in case the invite's always there, Jerry.

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Please come, Jerry.
But, Butler's too busy selling his soul in America.
But, you know, the good thing about Butler is he mentioned is he always brings James and
I spot a lot of whiskey when he comes.
He always goes for a good one.
I think probably he would have invited Peter Mullin, but I think he's maybe that sonet
Mullin forgetting the role that he wanted in the White House movie that I forgot the name

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of that we covered last year.
And the vanishing.
The vanishing.
Yeah, that's what I mean, that role was just, that was like, that was Cosmo's, but it was butter,
that role.
And I think, you know, he's James knows, James knows how it works.
He's been around the block a number a lot, but he'd like that, he'd like that gig, you
know, he'd like that.
Yeah, he would have been good at that, I think.
He would have been very good.

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So I had a look at the traditional order of ceremony of a Burns supper.
So we start with piping in the guests.
Is Cosmo hired a piper or does one of the guests pipe, do you think?
Or is he hired a disabled piper?
Possibly.
That's got a tagger nest of vipers available every podcast you'll get that joke.

(40:45):
But yeah, is he hired a piper, and though, as an e-sanivator, full-killed on?
Like he knows, he does know a few guys that can play the pipes, you know, but he wants a professional
because it needs to be perfect, you know.
The risk is if he gets one of these mates to do it, then he's, he's made Scott to be at the
Burns supper, he's taken up.
He can't just ask his mate to come and pipe and then fuck him off.

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He'd have to stay for dinner and stay for the dancing later on.
And, you know, we mentioned before Cosmo's quite house-proud, some of these guys are untested
in a Cosmo hospitality environment.
You know, he's been burnt, he's been burnt the compston, he's been let down by McGregor,
getting pushed before the bells years ago when he was a young actor, letting him down.
You know, it doesn't matter if he's met a chance, he's been let down by Maccavoy and

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Ian Robertson, a new year, had to throw those sheets in the bin.
So he's not going to, he's not just going to get, he's not, he needs a professional that
he knows once the pipe is done, he can pay him and cash, then he's boring, whatever it is,
100 quid, 5.20 pounds, notes, crisp from the, from the ATM and the high street, and the

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So the pipe has piped in all the guests, everyone, obviously all the gentleman are wearing
kilts or trues, he allows trues now, it used to be all kilts, but there was an instant one
year involving Alan coming in a kilt, and since then the dress code was altered to allow
trues as well.
He knows that Northern Canyfett and he's killed any more, exactly.
Exactly.
Doesn't want the man if he's uncomfortable because he's a designated driver for Raffer

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A and C Smith, so, so, no, yeah.
The tartan trues us preferably, but smart trues is fine, no, no chinos, no, no chinos, no,
everyone has to be wearing a bit tartan, I think that's, that, that's cool.
So then the host does the welcoming speech, which is of course a rendition of Selkart Grace,
which obviously Cosmos is doing that because he's the host, so he's, you know, he's in

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his element.
And from memory, by the way, he's not, he's not being in it.
Not only in memory, with emotion and evocative, evocative emotional reading of Selkart Grace.
So the first course is a soup course, which is traditionally either Scotch broth, potato
soup, Collins skink or coca leaky, which isn't Cosmos Serven, I'm thinking it's Scotch

(43:02):
broth.
I think it's Scotch broth.
He did the coca leaky one year, too many pure ale jokes, getting made down the table
by some of the young actors, so, no, no, stick to Scotch broth.
He doesn't want Collins skink, because then the kitchen's just stinking a fish for exactly
the rest of the week.
Exactly.
You know, the extractor fans working overtime to get rid of that fishy smell.
So I think it's a nice, simple Scotch broth, traditional, everyone enjoy it, there's no jokes.

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So then is the piping of the haggis and the address to the haggis?
Cosmo obviously does the address, isn't he?
Yeah, it's Cosmos Greg.
Yeah, this is, this is, this is, this is time.
So he's addressing, and it's again very traditional, it's just haggis, neeps, tarties,
whisky sauce.
Absolutely.
The basics done well.
Then you're onto dessert, so it'll be crannicking, won't it?

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It'll be serving, and then oat cakes and cheese for after the meal.
Yeah, oat cakes, but again, with the cheese, you know, it needs to be strong, but it has
to be like a strong, sharp cheddar.
The last thing he wants is Mrs. Cosmos' curtain smell them like a French fridge from, yeah,
you know what I mean?
No, none of your camemberts, none of your breeze, none of your stoutens, it needs to be

(44:12):
nice, sharp cheddar.
Yeah, it'll be a nice Scottish mature cheddar that he's found, he's probably got a local
farm shop that he goes to.
Yeah.
Same with a haggis, I mean, he gets his haggis from his local butcher, and he doesn't even
have to call in and reserve one.
Like, every year the butcher puts aside the best haggis that he has, and he's like, that's
James's, and Cosmo comes in and collects it, so yeah, I agree with that in the cheese.

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Comes in, comes in, gives it a squeeze, weighs it in his hand, gets it in his bread basket
like a rugby ball.
That's the Cosmo test.
Yeah.
That's the farm shop guy knows, he knows that, he's not worried, he knows that, he's done well.
So then after that, it's, it's whiskey is traditionally served, so what kind of whiskey
do you think Cosmo's serving?
I think he's a quite a heavy, pitty guy, like a little frog.

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Yeah, I think so, I think it depends, though, on what's, you know, how the guests are behaving
at this point, you know what I mean, because he wants, if, you know, if he feels that he's
gone well, he's maybe going to go and crack open up a bottle that Hollywood's
settled as brought him in years gone by.
If he's a bit annoyed, I think it's just like a 12 year old MacAllen or something like that,
everyone's getting, you know what I mean?
Fair equid bottle, absolute top end that he's well-enthusband, but if he's having a good

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time and he feels, and he's, if he's comfortable with the ways done in Selcutte Grace and the
way that he's addressed the high guess, if he was good about it, it's probably going
to get one of his expensive bottles out.
So next is the address to the lassies in which a man, one of the guests, thanks the woman
for preparing the meal and gives his views on women.
So I'm thinking maybe Gilly Gilles Christ has done this, but he's made a slightly blue joke

(45:46):
in the remarks to the women and Cosmo's not too happy about that.
I think he's watching Gilly's car now.
Yeah, I think Gilly's just guaranteed that he will not be getting invaded back to Burn
Supper and it's way to 25 at the Cosmo residence.
The ladies do get their reply, so there's reply to the ladies in which a female gives
her views on men.
And it should be amusing, but not offensive, to get a Laincy Smith probably is the ideal

(46:10):
person to give this, and if retort back to Gilles Christ.
It is a Laincy Smith, but she accidentally drops an F-bomb toward the end, you know, she's
thinking about two doors down and everything and she just accidentally drops a F-bomb.
Well, no, she's accidentally, she does it because she thinks that everybody will laugh,
but it's misjudged and usually Laincy Smith is quite intuitive, but it's misjudged,

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as he's Cosmo takes me sideways, look at James, his face is fucking bright red, furious.
He's not happy with the address to the last days or the reply to the lad, he's furious
with that and he's thinking, "Right, next year I need to pick someone else to do this.
I wish Gerard was here because he would be ideal for doing this.

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I miss Gerard."
Where is he?
What he's going to do is he's going to start training Castello now.
So when they're training up at the end of the night, he's going to take Castello to one side
and say, "Right, listen, next year you're doing the address to the last days."
This is what you need to say and it'll be coaching them all year.
So it'll basically be Cosmo's words coming out of Castello's mouth, but Castello knows

(47:19):
he knows that what he can get away with and what he can't get away with and the last
thing he wants to do is fuck up his meal ticket.
Well, the final part of the actual burn supper is the closing ceremony where the
host Cosmo picks one of the guests to give a vote of thanks to the host and everyone joins

(47:40):
hands in Singh's ad-lang sign.
So who's Cosmo picking out of that line up to give the vote of thanks?
Because obviously we've had Gilly Girl, Chris fuck things up, we've had a lazy Smith dropping
F-bomb.
I think he's picking out of line up.
I think he's picking Norton because Norton's the only one, but he's the only one apart
from Cosmo who's still like sober because Cosmo, because Norton's driving the ladies

(48:02):
back to Glasgow.
So he's, so I think Cosmo's been over, maybe they get a little break or maybe he's caught
in Norton coming out the toilet before that and said, "Listen, you can do the closing speech."
You heard Gil-Christ made a fucking cast, you can't know that.
You heard.
You even heard Elaine there, really surprised at her and really actually really disappointed
and I'm going to have Mrs. Cosmo have a word with her because if I speak to her, I'll

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say something that everybody will regret.
So it's you, Alex.
You're the only one that's not, you're the only one that's not at the drink.
No swearing, no off-color jokes, just short and sweet, so we can get on with the singing.
And I think Norton is a consummate professional, so he takes that in his stride and delivers
a wonderful speech that, you know, thanks everyone and Cosmo just sits back with his arms

(48:46):
folded with a big smile on his face, just delighted at his choice of Norton and been able
to do that and then rubs his hands.
Right, let's get the caleon.
Yeah, exactly.
Always well, that ends well, I think.
And Mrs. Cosmo knows that.
As long as the end of the night's good, as long as nobody blocks up the clergy, nobody
bake, goes into one room that they shouldn't go in to do things they shouldn't do and that

(49:10):
the cleanup doesn't take too long, that James will be fine.
He'll be fine in the next years.
Well, that was quite pitiful, wasn't invited because obviously the toilet, the back-on,
years even, you know, haggest, tatty, sneeps, quite heavy, so you don't want to be taken
that risk there.
So no.
Exactly, but no, I think a good time will have been had by all and yeah, and you'll be thinking

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about Mrs. Cosmo knows that he's the consummate entertainer, James.
So she knows that he loves to host them.
He just likes things to go well, like somebody that be comfortable.
He doesn't mind an off-color joke if he's done the pub with the chaps, you know, or he's
on set, well, the guys, he likes an off-color joke as well as as much as the next man, but

(49:53):
when there's women around and even if it's a woman that's making the joke, it's not
on polite.
And I think he's quite happy that that's kind of the busy period over of Christmas New
Year, Burn supper, you can now relax and he's not going to be hosting any events until
probably summer barbecue for the Euros.
Or in fact, maybe Cosmo's going to the Euros.

(50:14):
Maybe is, yeah, maybe is.
I mean, he's probably got to get the train allondin' and out of pain with Shadyo's the
following week to do a couple of days work on some Marvel movie or something like that,
Yeah.
Oh, well, well, yeah, I hope you had a lovely Burn supper.
James and, I look forward to Cosmo's Euro 2024.

(50:37):
I'd, I'd, I'd, I'd, I'd, I'd, I'd, I'd, think, what year was that?
I would look forward to Cosmo's 2024 adventure at the Euros, maybe later on in a year, but
I think we can put the big band to bed for a while.
Oh, okay, right.
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Oh, okay, Greg, so it was your choice on the "swally" this episode, so why don't you tell us
what we're going to be talking about today?
So I picked an absolute classic from BBC Scotland 1987, the late John Burns, sort of cult,
I guess, fair to give it that term, series "Tutie Fruity", starring Robbicle Train, Emma

(52:50):
Thompson, Jake Darcy, Morris Robes, I mean, where much, every working Scottish actor at the
time, I think, is it?
Ron Donnock, Richard Wilson.
So it tells a story about the Majestics, the legendary Scottish rock and roll band, on the
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a car accident.
The group's manager, Eddie Clockerty, brilliantly played by one foot in the Graves, Richard
Wilson, manages to talk Big Jazz as younger brother Danny, who's home from New York, to attend
a funeral to join the band.
In the interim, Danny meets an old classmate from art school, called Susie Kettles, which

(53:32):
might be the best name for any character in anything ever, and later on in the series,
she is enticed to join the band on stage and play guitar.
So when I was reading about this, it hasn't been shown that often since it first came
out, it was first screened on the BBC One, that is in 1987, and then it was shown again

(53:59):
only 10 months later on BBC Two, and I think that's probably where I first saw that first
episode, because I'd only ever seen the first episode, and I didn't really remember it
all that well, and I think my mum actually made me go to bed and stop watching it because
some of the language wasn't suitable for a young 9-10-year-old, as far as she was concerned.

(54:21):
So I'm going back and watching it again in what I watched it properly as an adult, which
was really interesting.
Apparently one of the reasons that it's not been shown that often is to do with a rights
issue, to be obviously the song, to it through a famously written by, little Richard, and
there was a bit of a dispute about how the song was used, which stopped them from showing
it, but it was shown again on BBC Four.

(54:45):
And then the first chapter, the Robical Train passed away over the Christmas period.
So yeah, I really enjoyed it, which your relationship being like with us, has it been
just seen it before?
We watched it for the podcast?
Yeah, I've definitely seen it before, and it might have been the same as you, maybe it
was when it was repeated, or maybe when it first went out.

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I vividly remember, because I would have been six when it first aired.
I remember dancing round the living room to the opening credits and singing two to three
to eat.
I don't think I watched the show, and I probably wouldn't have understood it, you know, because
it was six, but yeah, maybe I did watch it, but I definitely have seen this before, but
not for years.

(55:27):
So watching it back, and the first time I've seen it in a very long time, I was able to
just appreciate just how fucking great this show is.
It's wonderful.
It's not just TV, it's art, and it's a key piece of Scottish history that needs to be recognized.
And I know the BBC put them all up on I-Player after called Train Passed Away, but it just feels

(55:47):
like it was ignored for years.
I did read a little bit online about, has that led into the myth of this show being so good,
because it was ignored for so long.
And it's right, like those involved in the production have said that there might have
been dispute over music rights, well, other have said it might have been something to
do with the contracts of the actors, but burn himself suggested it might have been a
class bias against the production.

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He said that he didn't know why after nearly two decades that the BBC had never re-shown
it or released it on DVD.
It is available now on DVD, but for a long time it wasn't.
And he said, I think it's quite a mystery, like the real reason behind it still hasn't come
out, possibly it's something to do with an issue over the songs, and this is speculating,
but someone somewhere might have a cozy middle-class thing re-shown rather than something about

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lower-class people with a bit of intelligence.
And that's just a lot about John Burnett, I fucking love.
Yeah.
He just has a little snipe there as well.
Because it's true, they would probably rather show something like the good life or something
rather than, you know, to you for you, because it's dark, but it's just hilarious at the
same time.
But, yeah, this show is just incredible.

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From the cast, there's not a single beat that goes wrong with the cast.
They are all phenomenal.
And one minute you are just crying with laughter.
And the next minute you're feeling really sad and, you know, upset at something that's
happened.
It's just an absolute wonderful show.
And I love that it shows just like the, this is the Majestics, they're built up as this

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big band and they're doing their silver Jubilee tour, but they're playing bingo halls in
our dressing and featuring on radio bucky.
Like, it's so clever in terms of it just shows this small scale, driving around this beaten-up
transit van with the Majestics right at the side.
It just brings tremendous comedy and it's such a wonderful concept.

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It's, I mean, I wonder, you know, that you touched on it there.
We often talk about, just, I think there's a definite thing that runs through the sort
of best Scottish drama.
And it's one of those sort of phrases, but, you know, the term, like, gallows humour.
And I'm not sure there's a better example of it than this.

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And I wonder if that's maybe what the BBC have struggled with over the years because it's,
I mean, in terms of, as an export, it's, it's kind of, it's really, really Scottish, you
know what I mean?
Because incredibly Scottish, you know, it's sort of jumping ahead a bit, but one of the
characters commits suicide, right?
And it's a young, it's probably, I think it's the sort of youngest character apart from

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the little babies.
It's like the youngest character in the, in the drama.
And her suicide is, it's the source for a lot of jokes and a lot of the, in the last episodes.
Now, you know, they, things have changed a lot since, since this was written and, you know,
what, I think sort of anything kind of went in terms of being something to make fun of,

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but then obviously, but there were a bit more sensitive now.
But I wonder if they, if that's been the BBC's problem with it because maybe it, maybe
it didn't really resonate in England when they showed it.
I've, if it shows it in England, so I don't know if they did.
And I can imagine that, I mean, if I, I don't, if I got my wife to watch this, I don't,
I think she would, one she wouldn't enjoy it because, you know, then she would follow it

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with me for making her watch it.
But, um, a lot of it is, um, we just go over her head.
They, in massively over her head, you know?
Yeah, I didn't think about that, but you're right, because there are in the, the last episode,
Dennis does refer a few times to, uh, just drop Danny off it, suicide palace, so,
yeah, I mean, a young girl who's like, I think she, 23, I think they, um, then says it one

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point is committed suicide, but they're, they're making jokes about it.
Um, there's a lot of brave decisions in this, I think, and I agree with you.
It's not for everyone.
I did read that John Byrne submitted the script effectively.
He got approached in the BBC and they said they wanted to make a TV show called "Too
fruity", um, based around the little Richard song, and he was like, right, I'll write a script,

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but I don't want anything changed.
Like, there's no draft, no redrafts, nothing, but I will give you a script, but I don't
want anything changed.
Mm-hmm.
So he submitted the script and immediately the person was like, the opening scene is like
a six minute funeral scene where there's like hardly any dialogue and, you know, and
it's gone.
And he's like, no, I said to you, nothing changes.

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And that was it.
And submit the scripts.
He picked the director, he picked the cast, and then that was it.
He's apparently, he, like, showed off for like one day of filming, and that was it.
And the first time he saw it was when it aired live on the BBC, and he said I was so happy
not a single thing had been changed.
It was exactly as he'd written it, like, nothing had been changed because he'd said you

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can't change anything.
Yeah.
And there's a lot of bravery in, as I say, that opening funeral scene, which is hilarious,
but also, you know, it's a, it's a feudal, it's sad.
Yeah.
When they're, you know, walking down with a guitar, like, big jass, it's funny.
And there's a lot of bravery, I think, in the scenes between Coltrane and Thompson.
There's a lot of scenes that go on for quite a long time, but they're necessary.

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And you don't see that nowadays in, in kind of TV shows, but it works so well because they
build up the relationship.
And you look at Coltrane and you look at Emma Thompson, who, let's just get this out
of the way is fucking beautiful in this, like, absolutely amazing.
You would never put those two together, but the way they build up that relationship, when

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it actually happens, you believe it and you're invested in it and you're like, yeah, no,
I can totally see how he's won or over because, you know, it's just small things like he,
obviously, he starts up, you know, he's back or flat and then he's sleeping in the bath
and then he gets upgraded to the sofa and then he gets upgraded to the bedroom floor and
then he gets upgraded to the bed and it's the slow build up of this relationship.
I mean, one of his first lines to her is like, you were a dog in art school.

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Like, you're thinking, how would this work?
You're this no offence to Coltrane, but you're this fat mess and a powder blue suit, like,
living in a slumbered New York.
Susie Kettles is lovely.
How are you going to do this?
But you actually believe it when it happens because they've built it up so well over the

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course of the six episodes.
I mean, you said there, there's a lot of kind of brave decisions and you know, we tend to
be sort of tentatively at least things through the lens of modern drama, you know what I mean.
Now, if this was made now, it would be probably, if it was on one of the streamers, it would
be at least 12 episodes, right?
If it was on the BBC, now it would probably be four or maybe even three episodes, like

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so three hours instead of six hours.
So in some of the things that we've covered, like elephant's graveyards and they can appear
on my doogal stuff, there's a lot of long scenes where the characters are having conversations,
You know, and a lot of the conversations are those characters viewpoints on whatever,
and not even necessarily related to the narrative of the story.

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But for this, those scenes you mentioned are long, but what it does, rather than us learning
everything the rest of the know about Kettles in the first couple of episodes.
I mean, we don't find out that she's been, that she's married to like a fucking horrible guy
until I think episode four or something like that.
So like, we've been, we've been for hours with her before we realised that.

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We don't realise that she can play the guitar until like episode three, you know what I mean?
So like, it builds, it keeps revealing things about her character all the way through.
Like, you know, towards the end of the, the fifth episode of the thing, like we've discovered
that she's actually a fucking brilliant artist.
And she's got all these paintings under the bed.
You know, like, whereas at the beginning she always know about her in the first episode as

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she works on the bar and she went to Glasgow School of Art and she knows Danny from there.
That's all we really know about her and she's got like quite a nice tenement flat,
pretty late.
Yeah, so that is real kind of mastery.
And the thing is as well, I think John Burns, probably most famous bit of work before this

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would have been slab boys, which is like a 90 minute play.
So he's got to tell you everything that you need to know about these characters and tell
a story about these characters in 90 minutes.
And he here he's been given six hours to do that and he's just done it in his own, intimately
way.
I don't know what I mean.
It's actually, it's towards the end of episode six that you find out she's got all those

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paintings under there.
Oh, yeah, so the last episode.
So you know she's been at Glasgow School of Art, you know, you know, kind of what she's
been, but effectively, you know, she's just a waitress and yeah, it's within the last 20
minutes that you find out she's got all these paintings under her bed and they're fucking
incredible.
And yeah, exactly as you say, it's just a slow build up of the characters and he genuinely

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just takes time to develop.
I mean, you would never see nowadays and it's one of my favourite scenes of three guys
sitting watching Postman Pat in Gaelic for like a five minute scene.
And it's, that is hilarious that scene when Jake Darcy's like, why is he speaking funny
in this instance?

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Like, because it's forbearance.
And I can't even see anything.
I'm talking funny.
I do some out of tea because it's for wings.
And then Jake Darcy goes out to make a phone call and he comes back and his first question
is, what happened to the missing postal orders?

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What's the little things like that are just absolutely brilliant in this show and it's just little
nuances and little kind of jokes that make it so it works well and you wouldn't have got
that with something nowadays.
I don't think there would be brave enough to do that.
And this is just such brave filmmaking.
So I mean, to talk about cast for example, so John Burn I think was very as I've said, was

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very stricter of, no, I do it my way or that's it.
So he sat down with the head of the drama department at BBC in Glasgow, Bill Brighton.
And spoke about cast and he said, I want to cast what we call train as a lead and Bill Brighton
went, who?
And this show is the kind of depth of work that John Burn did.
He said, I've just, I've just worked with him.

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He played a cat in a panto that I wrote for the board of line theatre.
And according to Burn, like, Brydon's jaw just dropped.
And he's like, what?
You want me to cast a guy that's just been in a panto as the lead actor in this BBC TV
show?
And Burn was like, no, I'm not taking anything like it's, it's a radical train.

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He is the lead for this, but that I doubt.
And eventually the guy was like, okay, fine, do whatever you want.
And wow.
I mean, this kind of, called train was kind of not big, but you know, he'd been in a kick up
the 80s and laughing at people like my life is fee and he was quite known, but this was
his breakout role, really.
Well, I mean, his, his cinema, his early cinema credits are quite funny.

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So his first one is Flash Gordon, the, when he plays, he plays Man of Airfield.
And he's in the, the sort of ladies scum movie, sort of, Borsal movie called Scrubbers
when he plays Puff Guts.
And then of course, he's in crawl.
Now I watched crawl last year because I was in America.

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I was jet lagged and I was awake at like, past three in the morning, saving through the channels
when I came across crawl.
And I was quite, I was quite excited to see him.
He put his, he plays Roon.
And he's also in National Ampene's European vacation as Man in Bathroom.
But I think it's fair to say that, to it, you threw it a, without to it, you threw it a,

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there'd be no James Bond roles for him.
There'd be no Harry Potter.
There'd be no Hagrids and all that kind of thing and the other, all the other stuff that
he went on to do for sure.
Definitely like our, cracker, yeah, nuns in the run.
Tarton Special Adverts.
He exactly.
Exactly.
No, I mean, this put him in a map and he is brilliant.

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I mean, he plays two roles.
He plays Big Jazz'er and Danny and, okay, it's not him singing, but he's playing, then,
Jazz'er, but he is brilliant in this.
Just fantastic and such a likable guy, but, you know, he has a bit of a short of use.
Hem and Vincent, you know, come to head and come to blows a few times and have some arguments.

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But overall, he's just this guy who has just met this girl and he's in love with and has
roped into, to singing in this band that he doesn't really want to do, but you can tell
he kind of enjoys it towards the end.
I mean, what I like about the character of Danny is, initially, you know, he's sort of
given it the big, oh, I'm living them off the New York, et cetera, but, you know, they,

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in other dramas, the reveal that all that spillship make come halfway into the CDs, but
yes, it just comes clean pretty much straight away to Kettles, you know, actually, you know,
I'm sharing a, sharing a room with one guy and I play the piano.
He sleeps in the bed during the day and he sleeps in the bed and he asks me to bed during the

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day.
He makes funny shoes.
It's only to do with cobbling, if you must know.
Cobbling?
No, he sells these funny shoes in a shop of it.
What's he doing, shearing an artist's love for if he sells funny shoes?
It's cheap, cheap and nasty and not very clean.
The fact is, man, key, if you want to know.

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You're right, it isn't a loft, isn't even a garret, it's a duplex, and you kind of get upstairs
to the bedroom because there isn't any staircase.
There's a bedroom already, there isn't any staircase.
The room downstairs isn't very big.
You kind of get a big room in New York and then you get big bucks and I have near home.

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How we use it?
Tiny, but nine feet square.
I sleep in the bed during the day while the funny shoe sales when pounds are sidewats
looking for clients with funny feet.
Then when he comes back, I get up.
There's always four or five junkies hanging around the hallway, following the place up,
throwing dirty needles at the fort.
Christ, I'm flaking the good down to the toilets.

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Yeah, inspired casting and I think he's just a fantastic character and you're kind of
really going for him.
In the last episode where you kind of think he's getting replaced with Kettles.
You're like, "No, no, but he sorts out and he's playing with the majestic and puts on
an amazing show."
You see that even in the first episode where he plays the first gig, which is the tribute

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to Jazza.
You don't see it, but they allude that he was shite in the first half and then Kettles
comes in and he just picks up his game.
Immediately.
You're like, "Oh, that's nice."
She's inspired him.
It's, again, setting the foundations of the relationship they have and it's so lovely, I

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think.
Yeah, and the thing is, I think the mark of every good drama is that when the last scene
of the last episode is finished, you feel a bit bereft because you want more time with
these characters.
There was only one series of lists.
These like six hours, this is the only time you're going to get to meet Susie Kettles and

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Danny McGlone and Vincent Driver and we'll come on to her later on, Miss Toner, who is
a fucking brilliant character.
Absolutely brilliant.
The fact that this is the only time, we never find out what happens at the end and we

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find out, did Danny and Kettles, does it work out?
It's not just the writing, it's the performance.
To your point, what do you call drain?
Coming from a sketch, comedy, which is what he was doing most of his acting in apart from

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the odd small part in the odd film here or there before.
Flash Gordon and Crow.
Man in airfield.
I mean, he's absolutely brilliant.
You know, you would think that he was like a leading man that had done tons of things like
this before, you know?
He absolutely commands the screen when he's on and not just because of the size of him because

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obviously we can't talk about, not talking about, not talking about how big he is, but
he's a unit.
He just commands the screen with his presence and it's not because he's wearing like a powder
blue suit or a silver suit.
At a couple of scenes, he just absolutely commands the screen and his performance is just wonderful.
I'd like to have seen more of the tartans.

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Yes, that was nice.
I like that.
It was a really nice suit.
Obviously, I mean, we're talking about Emma Thompson as Suzy Kettles.
So again, this was kind of her breakout role as well.
She'd done a few things and she was actually a stand-up comedian before she'd joined us
and then gets this role of Suzy Kettles and then it just kind of takes off from there

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and she's brilliant and I think she does a great Scottish accent as well.
I mean, her mother was Scottish, but yeah, she hadn't lived in Scotland, but yeah, I think
she does a really good accent.
I was really impressed.
But it's a thing as well.
It's not even just a Scottish accent.
It's a Glasgow accent that she's doing.
And we know from the 91 productions that we've covered, the Scottish accent is not that

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easy to do.
And a lot of fine actors really struggle with it, but yeah, she's absolutely brilliant.
I mean, she could, there's one or two sort of inflections in the odd-word here and there,
but you have to really be listening for it, you know what I mean?
Yes, she's great.
That accent is absolutely brilliant.
Yeah, you're right.
I think a lot of actors, they either do like an end-brax in because that's kind of easy

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issue because it's like a light English-y broke or doing a Glasgow accent.
You end up going like full-groundskeeper willy.
Yeah, you know, having it up.
But her accent is so...
You're right, a couple of times it slips a little bit, but it's a soft Glasgow accent and
you can...
Yeah, it's remarkable, though, she was able to do that.
Yeah, and a great performance and a great character on your right.

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Susie Kettles is just one of the best names.
Like, whenever a girl trains her shows, Kettles, it's...
Oh, it's so good.
You're pleasant.
It's amazing.
It says it like, "Kills!
Kells!"
I just love the fact that even when they sort of hit it off and they kind of get together,
it still calls her Kettles.
Never calls her by her first name.

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So the rest of the band, well, come on, Morris Roves is Vincent, an absolute fucking
tour de force of a performance.
He just does everything in this, he shows anger, because that's the thing.
I think Danny, Katrina's Danny, he's kind of always in the same mood in a way.
He does show anger a couple of times, but generally, Vincent just goes on this journey throughout

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the whole show and you see him happy, you see him angry, like I've mentioned, with a postman
pat thing that's just hilarious.
Episode five, when they're in the studio and he has a fight with Danny and he's in the
wheelchair, going towards the wall.
Help me back, help me back, it's just, at episode six, when he's on the crutches walking
in the street, his slapstick comedy timing is fucking impeccable.

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Morris Roves just having given the performance of his career in this.
Yeah, because I would just do him, you know, playing sort of either authoritative or kind of
gangstery type roles.
You know, never the first time I've really seen him doing something like this.
I was quite surprised, actually, by, like I knew he was in it, but when I saw the party

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was playing, I was like, oh, because he's, you know, he's sort of wily like you would stay
just sort of hard living sort of rock star.
You know, he's got the sort of key thritchers kind of physique, sort of vodka and not enough
to eat.
But he, you know, like, I'm never sure how I'm supposed to feel about him because it's

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sometimes I'm rooting for him and sometimes I'm kind of rooting for Kettles because for
hearted being the band, he kind of needs to be incapacitated, which of course he ends up
being a couple of times.
And so, yeah, I mean, it sort of challenges you, but I think, you know, do I like him?
Do we want him to make it to the gig at the end or, but then I won't give it.

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I won't ruin it just yet, but then what he does at the very, very end is kind of heart
breaking, you know, because like we're sort of, you know, we know that he's got a reputation
as a shagger and has done for years and yet he's sort of infatuated with this galena who,
it's difficult to see what he's so infatuated about with her, you know what I mean, it's like

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it's something she's 23, that's right.
It's sometimes I think it's just because, you know, she's got her own place and she's a young,
girl and stuff, and but he's, you know, for him, it's just another notch in the bedposts
like a sort of somebody he can ring up when he does what he's sleeping with his wife or he
has to go to the lumber somewhere else, but there are other times, if you really, really,
really does love her, you know, especially when she kills herself.

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He does though, he does love her because he wants her to join the band when that first episode
when they're around his, one of his two houses, you know, with the, with the carpet and
I have to have their shoes off and he's got the coasters out there, he's trying to get
glenar in the band because as he says, like it's, it's music's changing, look at the other things,

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look at the pretenders and, and all the other guys are horrified by that. Yeah, he does, he genuinely
feels for glenar and I totally get what you mean. It's difficult to root for him in a way because
he obviously, I fucking are so, you know, he's cheating on his wife, he's got two houses, he's
living a separate life effectively with glenar. Yeah, and he's like, he's like, he's like, he's
very nice to glenar, quite a lot of the time. No, he's not, he's not a nice kind of character,

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but you do kind of like, root from a little bit as well. Yeah. And I think it's a great performance
on Roves, you know, the, in the last episode, the scene and he repeats it twice when he says, like,
his wife, No, Dean is burnt, always clothes. Yeah. Nine pairs of gabardine hockey trousers, five
wind cheaters, two crumbly overcoats, a fair, I'll turtle neck that I got from one of the coasters.

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Sixteen pairs of slip-ons and shirts and God knows how many shirts most of them were from S-quires.
And you feel the pain and then he repeats it later when he's shouting at glenar, she's driving,
no, Dean when she's driving away in the car and he's got his crutches and he's shouting at
like, he's fucking nine pairs of gabardine hockey treasurers. Yeah, yeah, he's just, I mean, he's,

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he's just a bit, such a good actor, modest Roves. So he has, and he's like I said, it's just not
the sort of role that I would have associated with him previously. But yeah,
when we've covered him on the podcast before it has been like, you know, gangsters or big kind of
drug lord bosses or, yeah, or God, you know, so it's, exactly. But I mean, I was reading about his

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career and I mean, around for, I mean, there's one of these guys that was in so many things that
Wikipedia can only have a partial for wager fate because nobody's sort of taken the time to.
But he's then stuff like, oh, what, I love the war and escape to victory, the, uh,
Michael K, the Michael K and Paley. Never realized he was an escape to victory. Holy shit.

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He plays Captain Perry, you know, he's in, he's in the, he plays Jimmy Gordon and the Damgan
Atheids, which is a fucking great film. Now, obviously because it was obviously doing research for this,
and I was looking him up and looked at IMDB and that's one of the first photos that comes up and
I was like, fuck, I forgot he was in the Damjited and my instant thought was I need to watch that
again because that's such a good fucking film. Like, I agree. And I'm, I want to read the book again as well

(01:19:58):
because I absolutely love the book, but yeah, I genuinely thought I need to watch that again because
that's a great film. But yeah, I mean, it's just been, been, been out of this since like the mid-1960s
and it passed, it didn't pass away, so two thousand, uh, to 2020, '83. I wonder if, uh, I wonder if Covid got
but yeah, but absolutely phenomenal actor. Um, and again, it's one of these actors that we, we've had a

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few of them on over the things that we've done where, yeah, you kind of wonder why, you know, why wasn't he
like a leading man, you know, you know, they, you know, they, like sort of famously, um, David Heyman
did the, Linda the Plant show, uh, Trilum Retribution, which was brilliant, it's a great show, and it's,
he, he led it and you think, well, you can imagine Roves leading something similar, you know, the

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kind of rette, sort of police procedural or something like that, but, you know, I guess not everybody can
can do it, can be that bees lucky, as others can actually. I mean, he's just absolutely phenomenal on this.
I, I, I just, I think he's just fantastic, um, in this show, just absolutely wonderful. Uh, then
making up the rest of the band, I guess we could do them, we kind of together, we have Jake Darcy,

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his fud, and uh, Stuart McGuck in his bummer, and again, two great characters, they kind of come as a
double act in a way, like, yeah, there's a lot of the scenes of the two of them, and fud does a lot
for Bomba, but grows a backbone in the last episode, which is really nice to see, and he's kind of like,
nah, nah, I'm not doing, you know, you're chite anymore. Yeah. Great to see, but yeah, Jake Darcy,

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just, oh, he's so funny and so brilliant in this. He's great in it. I, you know, he's, he's, he's,
he's really, really funny, because he's sort of, he's in a lot of ways, he's like, the kind of heart of it,
and you know, he says, he's just, he's a nice fella to you make you to your point. They,
we never, we never see Bomba's wife, we just, he always seems, he always seems to be looking after
these twins, and uh, you know, and fud's, fud's famously got what? He's got seven or nine kids already. Seven,

(01:21:53):
yeah. Seven boys. Seven boys. You know, so, you know, so, you know, so, you know, so,
the crush and rust up and put it in the milk and all that kind of thing. Um, you know, and they,
and he, he, he, he gets absolute dogs abuse from Vinnie and Bomba, and so, from Danny, but so,
much less extent. And he just, it just, it doesn't seem to phase him at all until that very last episode

(01:22:17):
when he just decides that he's, you know, he's looking forward to playing the pavilion. He, he, he, he,
doesn't agree with this, uh, with this thing that, uh, Bomba and, uh, Eddie are trying to figure
to get Danny out of the band. Obviously, Eddie's so rat on because he's, he's told the TV about how
they basically doctored, uh, and logistics, only hit single by buying up all the records themselves,

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and, and everything. And, you know, and I think Bomba just doesn't really like him and just want
some out, you know, and Fud sees a value and having Danny in the band and, and what, and he's, he,
he won't go along with it. I think to compare it to obviously the, what we would do, you know,
to go to for a Scottish Thanksgiving train sporting, you know, Fud is the spot of the group in terms of,
he's got a good heart. He always doing the right thing. You're rooting for him, but he's just never

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quite there. If no, that makes sense. But as I say, he does, genuinely one of the funniest lines, um,
when he comes back in and he asks what happened to the missing post, a lot of yours.
Which, a post, but bad, gay like, um, he's brilliant, absolutely brilliant. Um, and yeah, Bomba,
you know, he's a, a fiery kind of character, quickly, his temper, but obviously he's got the twins,

(01:23:29):
and I, I, I do like those moments when they're rehearsing in his house and he's got the towels over
the drum kit and stuff, baby girl. Oh, it's a muffled noise. And then Ron Donohy as Dennis,
their Rudy has some of the funniest lines, I think, and he is very much in it for the kind of comedic
value. Um, you know, even from earlier on, what he's, what is first seen is what he's in the van with

(01:23:54):
Danny and they're speaking about Jazz's death. And he's like, yeah, to get it, who else? Nobody asked me if I
would, I could pop, and it's brilliant, but for me, he is, it is element when they're recording the
album, and he's in the studio, and he's on the microphone off the type, and he's just, Joe 90 is
packing up his stuff, says he wants to go home and see his kids before they grow up.

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That is it's the goggles are in the pockets he has definitely took the hump.
No, no, that's fine. When you go pop, just remember you walked out on one of the top
pro bands in the country. If that bunch had any sort of themselves out by the time I get back,
I'm turning the spring for some.

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That's sorry you guys, I've just took his name off of sleep. He's, he's, he's, I'm fantastic in those
seats, and just absolutely cracking me up. And what a great character, you know, and yeah,

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yeah, Ron Donahy, what a legend, and it was so good to see him in this, and yeah, you know,
a huge part in it as well. Yeah, yeah, because they, well, there are things I've had to
admit like the knuckle jojo, for example, so a smaller, you know, maybe a scene here or there.
So to have him as one of the, I mean, is a boheiroff being one of the leads really, isn't he?

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Yeah, it's great. And he's, it's a really, it's got a real affinity for the pumer, I think, you know what,
I mean, Donahy, he knows where it comes, the same as Coltrane, you know, Coltrane, some Glasgow,
and the same part of the world is John Burn, but he, he, um, Donahy, he knows where the, he knows

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that humor, he knows Gal, he's obviously growing up with, kind of, Gal was humor. So when he makes,
when he makes a joke about, then a suicide, it's, you know, it's nothing, I don't know, I'm laughing,
I know, it's, you know, it comes in a really authentic place. And I think for that reason, it's not,
you know, it's not sensitive, you know, I mean, they don't feel particularly, there's also a trigger

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in the bell, not for me, at least, but, um, yeah, I just, really, really, really, really funny, is Dennis,
brilliant. No, he's fantastic. Yeah, you're right. The scenes he has with Coltrane, because there's
quite a few scenes where it's just the, the two of them. And you can tell they're just kind of
bouncing off each other. And it's wonderful to see, however, that's not the best double act in
this show. The best double act has to go to Richard Wilson and Katie Murphy as Mr. Wooder.

(01:26:35):
Mr. Clockerty, Katie Murphy in this is just an absolute revelation. Every time she's on
screen, I just crack up with her one liners and the relationship she has with Richard Wilson is
just phenomenal. And hey, taking us away from Richard Wilson, he is amazing in this as Eddie Clockerty.

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This was three years before he got one food in the grave. Yeah. And I mean, that's Richard Wilson will
ever, ever be associated with Victor Meljue in one food in the grave, but as Eddie Clockerty,
he is just fantastic. And the chemistry those two have is just insane. And I'd love a spin-off
of those two just going about their daily stuff, you know, getting the train up from London.

(01:27:18):
These biscuits are still in and, oh, she's just so good. Like, when they get Glenn out over on
the train and they're taking a piss out of the card against you, she's making the difference.
How long did it take you to knit? Oh, it's time I was in hospital.
As long as that, eh? But I saw a mean. It has to charge a fortune. 10 or 12 pounds at least.

(01:27:38):
I think I bought it if you were horrible. How were you thinking about fiber?
I should never come inside here now. Mind your feet, where were you?
Let me do a seat to the lesson. I never said nothing, but the bus seat. I'm telling Vincent,
no wait a minute. What's the name again? Glennis. Wait a second, Glennis. It's Glenna!

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You would put it. Glenna, come back. Glenna.
They're so evil and callous people, but they're just wonderful together. And I loved those scenes.
And again, that's so brave from John Barnes to do that because really, they're not part of the
band. They're not part of the storyline, but they are so well needed and it just provides like every

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scene they have, it's comic relief. It's so good. It's his voice because he's got such a distinctive
voice, Richard Wilson. The way he says, "Mistoner." You know, eh? Are you being sarcastic,
'Mistoner?' And you never, it's never really. I don't think it's really fully established.

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You know, what the relationship is because like she's has an assistant, but then they share in
hotel rooms and she's like fixing is, I think she's in one scene where she can fix these hat or
something like that and in a quite a sort of tactile way. But you know, well, she's being tactile
in her gesture, but in which she's being like fucking absolutely crucifying and what she's saying,

(01:29:09):
you know? I mean, there's no, it's not a sexual relationship at all. She says at one point that
he employs me and I effectively abuse him. Like, I think it is maybe like a little sadomasticistic
kind of thing. And at least, and she does say at one point, he's with me, but I know where him,
with that kind of makes sense and that's kind of a get. Like he gets off in the relationship because

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he does say a couple of times and I genuinely, I think, only Richard Wilson could say in this word
and he's like, 'Mistoner, you know, watch your toad, you can be getting your jotters.' And she's like,
'I, that'll be right.' And you know, like, she's got him over a barrel, like, I don't know what
the relationship is, but I also love that it's never fully explored and we don't actually know.
And that's so much better that you're kind of like, what is the deal with these two?

(01:29:57):
Like, what is going on? But, the pleasant enough journey through. Nice bunch of lads, nice bunch. Now,
keep that out of that. Yeah, Jemaine Street Arts. Don't mind what? Stonning here, like an idea,
holding on, it's like you're bombing, I can be downstairs in the bar having a large genitonic. What do you think?
He ain't no attention to this Torah denny. She's going to get a josh as when we get back.

(01:30:18):
Just try it. Wonderful. Yeah, the scenes they have, you know, as you say, when they're in the hotel
room and she's painting her toenails, waiting for the show to come on and then it gets replaced by an
episode of the beach Grove Garden. It's, it's so good, but yeah, that scene on the train when they're
taking a piss at a glenna is, it's just hilarious. And she's just wonderful.

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Katie Murphy. I mean, I, I mean, we covered her previously in the steamy and she was great in that as
well. And for me, she was kind of a staple of growing up because she was in spats and she was in
Mike and Angelo as well. And that was, you know, stuff I bought us and she's also in the follow-up,
the follow-up to you for you. But John Burns next six-part series, "You're Cheating Heart", which we

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will cover at some point in the swallow. Obviously, featuring his wife at the time, Tilda Swinton. And,
yeah, I mean, she now, she hasn't been in anything for a while. She could pop up occasionally,
but she's actually a teacher. Yeah, she's right. But yeah, she's, she is just, like she genuinely
steals it for me in this because the scene that she's in, and oh, she's just wonderful. Yeah,

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she's really good. She's really funny. And I mean, I'm like, you know, like she's one of those ones
that kind of grow up watching the TV. But I'd never seen her play in a character like this, especially
since apart from the steamy it is, kind of kids programs that I associate her with when I,
but she's got, because she's got quite a distinctive sort of look about her, you know what I mean?
There's probably why she's been so successful as an actress, but so they see her play in this,

(01:31:55):
quite adult, sharp, barbed, and funny character. It was really good. It was really nice. Yeah,
no, it was wonderful. And yeah, absolutely loved her performance in this. There are so many similarities
to this with one of my favorite films of all time, which is This Is Spinal Tap. And you kind of
kind of get that feeling, but the characters in this are just so much more well-rounded and

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believable. And is it because we're Scottish that we can identify with them more, if you know what I
mean? Like we've all seen guys like that. We all know a guy like that. And it's just so wonderful
and just dripping in realism. And I think it's a rare thing that you can find someone that is so
dedicated to the city. And I think John Burnne definitely was that like his, his love of Glasgow and

(01:32:42):
the city is so obvious and everything he's done, you know, from slap boys to 2 3 T. And he is like,
it's quite rare you get that. Like I can think of maybe Alan Bleasedale to Liverpool or Alan Bennett
to Leeds, for example. But you know, John Burnne in Glasgow is just something that you just, they just
go together so well and associate. That's it, it's kind of in his DNA. He just gets it. Yeah. And the

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thing of it, I think, I think that I like about his writing. And you know, when it comes to characterisation
and stuff, he's not, you know, I wouldn't go as far as say that he doesn't like his characters. I
think it's the opposite, but he doesn't sort of spare them the road. You know what I mean? If you think
about, you know, we think about the character Vincent. So he's, you know, he's created the character,

(01:33:27):
Morris Rose has brought it to life. But Vincent gets, he gets stabbed in the bollocks.
He gets, he gets, he gets, he's in a car accident, gets waxed over the head. And then at the end, he
has them set himself on fire on stage. And he gets, he gets all his close burn as well. And he gets,
he gets all his close burn as, yeah, exactly. So, you know, and then, you know, he sort of like,

(01:33:51):
you know, well, I wonder why is he decided that this is the, that this is how it should end? You know,
why is he decided that Vincent deserves that ending? And we never, we don't find out where
their Vincent died after setting himself on fire. I suspect that he probably didn't. And it's just
another, another horrific injury that he probably had to deal with for a while, you know? I think

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I think if there had been an episode seven of this, I think, I don't think we would have had,
I don't think that would be in the end of Vincent. I think he's too good to character for that.
I mean, he's wearing obviously leather jacket and leather trousers now. He's covered it in like
90% Polish vodka and then set himself on fire. Would the leather protect him or would it melt to him?
I think it might melt to him, I think. Yeah. But I feel like burn would keep him alive anyway,

(01:34:39):
despite just to see him suffer in the next episode. Yeah, yeah, just, yeah, I'd like to think that he
he probably did survive, but yeah, with probably life changing injuries in terms of the,
even in, even in slab boys, I mean, he sort of said, what's the, what's the main character in slab
boys? The one not played by Gerard Kelly. Oh, God. So Hector is the young boy that he took the

(01:35:03):
episode of, I cannot remember now. You know, I know that from what's in interviews with John Burn,
that that character is based on him to some extent, to some extent, you know, because he's,
you know, he was working as a slab boy at the time, he was shagging to art school and stuff yet,
you know, that that character doesn't get into art school. There's no happy ending.

(01:35:25):
Either as he's job and he's not back from Glasgow School of Art at the end of the film is the
character, isn't he? Oh, yeah. He doesn't get in. He gets not back and there's no happy ending for him.
And it's, you know, you know, like, I mean, I, I always think that when, when writers, when the
especially the basic character are on themselves, to some extent, probably the instinct is for that

(01:35:47):
character to go through a trial, but then come out the other end with some semblance of a happy ending.
Some sort of redemption. Yeah, just, just because of the, the sort of writer's vanity, but that's,
that doesn't seem to be the case with John Burn, you know? Yeah, so you would think in a normal kind of
BBC drama, you would see Vincent would realize the error of his ways, get back with Nolean,

(01:36:09):
get his Nolean up the doff and welcome Susie into the Majestics and they play as, because I mean,
Jazza was the rhythm guitarist and singer, so they don't have a rhythm guitarist now. So,
Kettles could be the rhythm guitarist, Vincent Lee guitar, Daniel Keeboards, which they never had before,
I guess, because, yeah, yeah, that would be kind of the redemption. Everyone's happy. Everyone loves it.

(01:36:32):
The show is great. It's kind of imagining, you know, like the end of the full Monty, but like the
nakedness, you know, like everyone's cheating at the pavilion. The Majestics are back, yes.
But no, he ends it with fucking Vincent setting himself on fire.
Walking on the stage. And, and the thing is, like, all that we, we don't,
consider on the six hours of this, we don't really see a lot of the bands performing really in that time,

(01:36:59):
we just see bits and bobs. So, I was expecting, I think, I mean, I actually think that the,
what we see of the the Glasgow pavilion concert, I think that's the most that we see of them
playing live, I think, to be fair. But, you know, the, the audience are getting into it and we're sort of,
we kind of feel like it's coming together, you know, Vincent's going to the stage,
you know, everyone's playing quite well, it's, you know, and, you know, it's this, like,

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there's actually, like, to your point, just like, you sort of think, you know, there's going to be,
like, a sort of Renaissance for the band here. And then it's the, it's the opposite, really,
you know, one of the band members set itself on fire. And then it just ends. It's just end, the,
you know, the closest thing we get to happy ending is, is, uh, Kettles and Danny having a,
like, I have very, I would very quick little kiss, like when they're playing the song. And then we,

(01:37:46):
and we sort of think, oh, you know, they've kind of worked it out. That's great. And then tragedy.
So legend has it that Big Jaza could drink 20 pints of heavy in one sitting. Do you think you could
manage to drink 20 pints of heavy? I'm not sure I could manage to drink five pints of heavy in one sitting.
I think I'll be stuck on this one. It's, it's a bit much. I think, yeah, so, but, um,

(01:38:08):
I fear I played to Big Jaza impressive, but that's obviously why you wrap the car around a lamp post
when he was out to get cababs. And that's another great thing they do. Those scenes, just lighted the car
wrapped right in the bus shelter. The cab on his face. I keep like holy fuck.
But they do great things as well in terms of the flashbacks when they're on ready-set,
you go, and it's in black and white and you, you see them performing and you're kind of like,

(01:38:31):
okay, I believe this. They were, you know, they're bands. Like, yeah, it's great. And it feels, like,
it does feel quite, they've done a good job of recreating that even even from this sort of black
and white footage, you know, that it does look sort of old. It doesn't look like it was recorded in
'86 and there were a track attempt that was 1966 or whatever, you know. I think it's very cleverly

(01:38:51):
done as well because they only really focus on cultrain. And that's the thing about cultrain in this.
He could be any age. We've got a cultrain in this. Could be 25. You could be 45. You don't really know.
Whereas, and if you look at the black and white clips, they never really focus on Bomba or Jake Darcy
or Morris Roves because, you know, they obviously couldn't de-age them. So it's, yeah. So you just see kind

(01:39:15):
of them in the background or fleeting glimpses or just side-on view. But cultrain is in full focus
because, as I say, he could be 25 or could be 45. You just don't know. We're cultrain. I think he was the
youngest actor of the group anyway, I think, you know, I think, I think the rest of them, I think
cultrain was born in the '50s. I think the rest of them had sort of 10 years or so on them, you know what I mean?

(01:39:36):
Good give or take. So, anything else on "Tutie Free Tea?" I mean, I absolutely loved this. And I will not leave it
so long to watch it again. And it's amazing. It's certainly people, a couple of people this week,
mentioned about the podcast and what you do next. I'm like, "Oh, doing Tutie Free Tea."
Never heard of that. Yeah, I'm not surprised. You wouldn't have heard of it. And it's such a shame

(01:39:59):
because it is such an incredible show. And it's like I said, at the beginning, kind of when we start
covering it, this isn't just a TV show. This is a piece of art. Actually, I'd like to say I recommend
a friend of the podcast, Ali, from Scotswahey. He has written a couple of articles on his website
about "Tutie Free Tea." One specifically in the one was about Robby Coltrane. And "Tutie Free" is his

(01:40:22):
favorite TV show. And he is genuinely the absolute master of Scottish culture and, you know, pop culture
and TV show was music and books and, you know, I would bow to him in terms of his knowledge and
Tutie Free Tea is his favorite ever TV show. So I will put a link in the description of this podcast

(01:40:43):
to the article that Ali has written on his website, Scotswahey.com, about Tutie Free Tea. But I would
highly recommend anyone to read that because it's lovely to read someone that was, I'm sure Ali won't
want me saying this, you know, older enough to appreciate it when it first aired because we were
both probably a little bit too young. Yeah, and then he hadn't seen it for like 20 years because he

(01:41:03):
couldn't and then he bought it on DVD and wrote his article and spoiler alert, he's like it's just
wonderful as I remembered. So yeah, so I'll put a link in the description of this podcast,
themscotswahey.com, yeah, for Ali's article. I'd say as well, like Ali is at the sort of vanguard of,
sort of, a new Scottish literature, music and film and stuff. So if that is something that you're

(01:41:28):
interested in, it's very, it's sad to listen to his podcast, visit his website. Very, very good. Yeah,
he's recently done his like best of the year books. Yeah. Last year and last year he did it and his
book of the year was The Voids. I can't remember the author's name right now and I downloaded it
after hearing his review event. I read it and it's genuinely one of the best books I've ever read.

(01:41:49):
And I listened to his best of the books episode this year and I've downloaded about five books that he
spoke about and kept waiting to get into them because yeah, Ali is just an amazing, absolute
fountain of knowledge. So we can put 33 through our awards, I think. So our first award is The Bobby
the Barman Award for the Best or Your Favorite Pub. So there is Suzy's bar that she works in,

(01:42:16):
which do you, did you recognise that? It was some chimichungas on Great Western Road of Glasgow.
It's now called Coopers. I don't think so. I remember he heard about chimichungas but I was
never, never in it. So it was a proper actual bar. Yeah. Chimichungas in Glasgow. That's
what that was called. That was quite nice, but you know something, I dropped a pint in the hotel bar

(01:42:37):
in Bucky for Vincent. That's a good start. I did like, I also like the Greek restaurant that Eddie
does his business in. Yes, something, I don't know, it's just the hospitality person in me, but
yeah, it just, it feels very, I mean, I'm sure that that is probably a real restaurant as well
that they've just used. It feels like it. I feel like all this was done on location. Yeah.

(01:43:01):
But because Emma Thompson told the story about when they are filming in the boat as we watched it,
I watched her on Wogan and she tells a story of when her and what we call train were doing the
kind of two handers seen on the boat in Bucky Harbor and all the boats have been told the
state at the Harbour and one Russian boat almost wasn't told in time and was bearing down on them.
So I think that I feel like, you know, the out of the, it's very, very much on location. I don't

(01:43:25):
think they've used any studio for any of the scenes. So the next one is a tough one, I think, because
there's a lot to choose from, but it's the, it's the Cosmo, James Cosmo award for being in everything
Scottish. A lot to choose from. I went with Ron Donahey though. I went with Darcy/Donahey,

(01:43:47):
because I just couldn't pick between the two of them. It's a good shout out. Actually, yeah, you know
someone you're right Darcy has popped up in so many things. Like if you think of like the one
episode, you know, that he's in probably a raps in yes, but City Lights, yeah, you're right Darcy's
a great shout as well. It has to be between the two of them. I would say. Yeah. Even Dave Anderson
pops up for like a really quite scene, doesn't it? Of course, we didn't speak about Dave Anderson.

(01:44:11):
Yeah, very quick seed. And he's great, but yeah, of course Dave Anderson, but he's not in it enough
to count, um, I would say for being everything Scottish. But yeah, the main cast that has to be,
um, it's Donna here Darcy. I think you can look and let them shade it this week. Yeah, for sure,
for sure. And next one then, Jake McQuillan, your teaser award. So what did you go for for this?

(01:44:31):
I went with Vinnie getting plunged in the bar and bucket because it just comes out of nowhere.
That's the funny thing because there is quite a lot of violence in this, but it's all offscreen.
Yeah. There's a couple of fights between the band members, but you never see it.
No. You don't see Vince again stabbed. Same as which I've gone for, which I thought was a good
teaser is Danny attacking Stewart, the evil dentist with a drill. Yeah, you see you approaching

(01:44:55):
and then it's just offscreen. And there's no violence at all in this in terms of on screen kind of
action or fighting. Um, even when, uh, no rain batters, Glennon covers are in rock cakes like
it's offscreen. Yeah. You just see that in a covered in cake. Um, so yeah, I think it's really well done.
But yeah, I went with Danny attacking Stewart. Yeah, I think it has to be, I think they have to do it

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like that because if, you know, if you see these characters actually see them looking like sort of
each other, it sort of takes something away from it. But just, yeah, you know, the fact that happens
offscreen would sort of as to the humor because Danny holding somebody down in drilling holes in
their teeth is pretty shocking to see that happen on screen. But hearing that Danny has set,

(01:45:40):
because they held someone down and drilled holes in their teeth and then you see the dentist that
the station going through the mug shots and stuff, that's high comedy. It's, it's perfect timing
though, because it switches to, you hear the drill and then you hear a scream, but it cuts the
receptionist smiling because she thinks it's Danny that's getting out. I'm watching to you for you.
I'm not watching marathon man. So yeah, it's that. I don't want to see that. So yeah, it's so well done.

(01:46:06):
And I think yeah, the genius part of writing in direction there. Really good. So the next one is
the human-migregular world for gratuitous nudity. So that's not really any gratuitous nudity as
such, but we do get a wee glimpse of Emma Thompson's bum. Yes, when, when Danny's getting the paintings
out of under the bed and she can acclaims over them to stop them. Yes, I have written down Emma Thompson's

(01:46:30):
bottom. It's my new tea and I'm fully fed that, but yeah, I don't love the bottom it was. It certainly was.
And I'm sure, and I'm sure still was. So the next award then is the Francis Bagley award for
gratuitous swearing. So my pick in this, it's not really gratuitous swearing. It's got to be better
swearing in it, but I wound it back three or four times because I couldn't stop laughing. And it's when

(01:46:56):
it's when Kettles and Danny are having a row in the hotel and she goes, she's going out to get
toothpaste. She's trying to go out to get toothpaste and I'm still rowing and she storms out and he
goes, Kettles, get back in here, dammit. There's a couple of beats go by and she sticks ahead
with an ador for me. It says, don't get the stripy stuff, it hurts my gums.
So over the last week, I have watched this twice and I paid very special attention the second time

(01:47:24):
I watched it. There's no swearing in this. No, no, it's just the odd bastard in blood, and yeah,
there's Danny calls Susie a heartless bitch at one point. Yeah. And Susie calls you a bastard.
And there's the odd bugger. That's it. There's no shits. There's no fox. There's no sea words. There's
nothing bitch and bastard and bugger or as hard as it goes. And I find that first of all quite

(01:47:47):
incredible, but also like John Burn, you're a fucking genius. Like you have managed to make this show
that is kind of a hard, edgy, dark show. And there's no swearing. There's no nudity. Like, what is the
problem? Like, why did your mum not let you watch this? There's nothing bad about it. Like, this is
swearing. There's no nudity. There's nothing. Okay, you guys set himself on fire, but no, it's

(01:48:08):
kind of family friendly in a way. And I think that takes a very inspired and genius writer to be
able to make something that doesn't have those things in it. I think family friendly is perhaps
going to be bit too far because I get this kid herself in the fifth episode. True. Okay. And there's
a lot of laughs about it. I think my mum probably is wanting to watch something else. I just had

(01:48:31):
enough for me for the day and what you made me go to bed for a little bit. But yeah, you know, it's
true. There's no bad baggage in it, but I suppose it was on BBC One in the sort of mid to late 1980s.
You wouldn't. I mean, I don't think BBC One now would show anything with a lot of bad baggage in it.
BBC Two would after a second. But BBC One wouldn't, I don't think. Yeah, I think you're like a quarter.

(01:48:54):
And that's it. Okay, next one then, archetypal Scottish moment. What would you pick here?
Oh, she's a fine wee lass, somebody wee lass, my money wee genie m'call.
How is it be the Scottish band singing genie m'call? I've written in Scottish band
and then in the studio as well because they're shooting me in. But the other thing, and I get

(01:49:19):
an other bit guilty of doing this, but it's maybe not archetypal Scottish. But I really, really love
Kettles, clothes that are flats in. And in our front door with the sort of ornamental glass and stuff.
It's very, very, you know, in the ornamental tiles and the clothes and stuff, very, very, very glass
mejure. I'm sure that that flat is probably worth quarter million quid now, because probably in the

(01:49:45):
West End or in a south side or something like that. But those flats, you know, those flats hold their
money. I had one, I wish I still had it. But yeah, it's just something just really, really, really
typical of Scotland, those, that I was sort of, a tournament building. Nice. Yeah. And then last,
then the Sean Connery award for who wins the production for you. I very nearly gave this to

(01:50:11):
Kate Murphy just purely because she just cracks me up. I wish she's on screen and she's so good.
But I think we've, we've kind of spoken about this before on the episode. There's only one winner
for me and it's Morris Roves. He just, he does it for me. Yeah, I give it to him over a cool trainer,
Thompson. It's the, the range that he covers in terms of the emotional depth that he goes into. He's

(01:50:36):
such a bastard, but he's so, you know, times he's so funny. Again, third time I mentioned it,
watch in postman Pat and Gaelic or when he's talking about that it's the physical comedy as well,
slapstick when he's on the crutches and he's shouting at Noirin about his nine pairs like
Aberdeen hockey, three-star, two crumby overcoats. It's Roves' story in a way like he goes on the

(01:50:59):
biggest journey throughout this. And genuinely, Coltrane would probably be a, probably third behind
Kate Murphy, maybe actually. Oh, Coltrane's great, but yeah, I, it's Morris Roves for me,
without a doubt. He steals this for me. I guess you've gone for a Coltrane, have you? Well, I,
I actually gave it to Coltrane and Emma Thompson just because the scenes when it's just, the scenes

(01:51:20):
that they're in all the way through when it's just the two of them. Yeah. They're just an absolute joy.
Yeah, they are. They're really good. You know, you really get, you can really get the feeling that
these are two actors who are really good friends who have eaten, well, whether they knew each other well
before or whether they've taken a time to get in the way each other to make this, I'm not really

(01:51:41):
sure, but I just really, when it, when it was just them on screen, whether they're sitting in a boat
and bucky or whether they're in her apartment or whether they're, they're in the pub and a drink
together in the bar or whatever, I just think that they're just brilliant. They, they, and I think
a lot of it is because of the way that the relationship evolves over the, over the show and, you know,
Danny's can aburgeon in feelings for Kettles, you know, Kettles, I think can aburgeoning but

(01:52:07):
reluctant feelings for him and then you start to understand why, because you think why should be
attracted to a big fucking, like Danny, you know, this big sort of heavy guy and stuff and then you
understand that well, she's been mistreated and, you know, we just, probably a bit lonely and
she's got a repertoire with them and she sort of sees, she sort of sees the good and him that he

(01:52:28):
evidently doesn't really see himself, you know what I mean? She sort of sees his potential and stuff
and, you know, this is, all this comes out of their performance, it's not, this isn't written,
there's no like, that little scenes of exposition of her scene, you know, I know that you're a good guy
Danny or, or I'm just really looking for like a nice guy, whatever it, it all comes out, this,
in the subtlety of the writing and the, and the, and the performance is so for me, I do appreciate

(01:52:52):
your, your choice there, I think more of a show's as brilliant, but for me personally, it was
those two that did it for me, I could understand that and I, yeah, I would imagine they probably
did know each other because like I say, Emma Thompson was a stand up comedian before she did this and
I guess they probably knew each other from the scene because obviously, called Train was quite well
into comedy. I also watched that interview that you watched on Wogan with Emma Thompson and when Terry

(01:53:19):
mentions Robby called Train, you just see Emma Thompson's face just light up and yeah, yeah,
she's so pleased to be speaking about him, she's like, yeah, he's just, he's wonderful and you can
and exactly as you've just said there, you're kind of looking at the two of them, you're like,
how the fuck would they ever end up together? Yeah, yeah, yeah, but the way it's built up over the six

(01:53:42):
episodes, when it happens, you're not like, offer fuck sake, I knew this was going to happen, or like,
I don't believe this, you are invested and you're like, go on man, go on Danny, go on Kills, like,
you too, get along together, come on, and yeah, it's wonderful, so I agree with you, but I don't agree
with you because I'm still giving it to Morris Robes. Fair enough. Anyway, that was,

(01:54:05):
took you through it, it was my choice, if you haven't seen it, I think maybe we should cut in a bit
of a spoiler warning at the beginning because we have, obviously, we've spoken about all the best
bits, but if you haven't seen it, you can get it on Apple TV, it's for sale there, I've got
urge you to rush out and get it, it's only a fiber, it's really, really good. So that was my choice.

(01:54:29):
Yes, I forget, I'm out of practice. So it was my choice, 238, for our first proper episode of 2024,
which means the bottle spins back to you, what are we watching for the next episode?
So my next choice is a listener recommendation, Greg, not a request, it was a recommendation,
so I'm stealing it as my choice, and it is from everyone's favourite Canadian baker,

(01:54:54):
Strong Henry, who is, of course, a long-time listener to the podcast, and he recommended a
couple of films to us, which I watched one over the festive period, and I really enjoyed it,
so I'm picking it as my next choice. So we're going back to 1992, or we're going forward to
1999 too, because we've just been in 1987, and we're looking at a film directed by Stefan Schwartz,

(01:55:14):
not the ex-sweden footballer, but English film director, and this film stars Peter Capaldi,
Elaine Collins, who later went on to be Peter Capaldi's wife, and Richard Wilson,
making back-to-back appearances on the culture s valley, it's the 1992 film,
"Soft Top Hard Shoulder", which is available on YouTube for everyone to watch if you want to do your

(01:55:38):
homework. So next step is to the s valley, "Soft Top Hard Shoulder". Cool, look forward to watching that,
I've never seen it, so yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, this week. Well, thanks to Strong Henry
for his recommendation, and thank you everyone for listening, I hope you enjoyed the show,
if you want to get in touch with us, you can, you can email us on cultureswally@gmail.com,

(01:55:59):
or you can follow us on the socials, we're on Insta@CultureSwallyPod, or we're on X, which is now
known as Twitter, or at times called Twitter. So commonly referred to as Twitter, or sometimes as
Twitter, @swallyPod, I think we're on threads as well Greg, I think it's @CultureSwallyPod
on threads, but we haven't really posted much there, but we are going to up our social game this year,

(01:56:20):
so we're going to try that. So yeah, so if all of us on the socials get in touch, or you can look at
our wonderful website as well, can you, and you have sent me an article for the website that I haven't
read yet, and I'm going to do that this afternoon, Greg. New content incoming on the website,
yeah, we've got a website, cultureswally.com, where you'll find links to all of our episodes,

(01:56:41):
some articles, is that what article about Scottish horror? We'll talk about Tamble Shanta, the poem,
so perhaps a little bit by timely reading and time for Burns Night when this episode goes out,
but come and find this over there, and you can get in touch with us straight from the website as well.
Fantastic, right, I hope you have a wonderful Burns Night Greg, and I guess the only thing it's left

(01:57:03):
to see is a Wap-bab-a-lubah-ba-wap-beam-boom! I'm just going to clap it there, thank you.
Right, 'til next time, 'til next time.
It was for Tony, what she did. You're going to tell us she may not have been for me.
No, Dean, burnt on my clover. Nine pairs of gabberty and hockey trusses, five winch-years, two crumbly

(01:57:30):
over-coats, a fair-liled turtle night, which I got for one of the coasters, 16 pairs of slip-ones,
and shots. God, alone knows how many shots she must have touched, all of them from S-Quats.
Was there any someplace? You look out of your way to full-head over heels for some dolly,
just happens. Right, right.

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