November 21, 2023 • 30 mins
Today, we shed light on the incredible healing power of horses with our guest, Melisa Pierce. Melisa has a unique viewpoint and soulful connection with horses, leveraging their intuitive energy and kindness for mental and emotional healing. She'll open up about a lifetimes worth of experiences, including the touching story of my own daughter, Molly, who fought a valiant battle against a rare disease. We'll unveil the transformative impact of our two-year business and entrepreneurship program, diving into some fascinating concepts like Equine Gestalt and chakra healing with horses, a venture that has managed to intrigue many despite initial resistance. Stick around to hear about the promising opportunities we provide at touchedbyahorse.com and why being a part of this could change your life and many others. It's about to be a memorable ride, so let's reign it in and get started.
About Melisa Pearce:
Melisa Pierce is a treasured mentor and teacher who has had a significant impact on her students, including Miranda, who holds a deep and heartfelt connection with her teaching methods. She runs an influential program called "Touched by a Horse," Equine Gestalt Certification in which she shares her knowledge and teaching through a deep connection with horses and their healing powers.
Show Notes:
Overview of their collaborative work with horses for healing
Detailed Discussion on Approach with Horses - An experiential and holistic method linked with somatics - Tailored experiences based on individual needs - Emphasis on client's personal truth discovery that leads to permanent outcome
Role and Abilities of Horses - Horses' affiliative energy - Ability to read human energies and respond with empathy to human ailments - Historical roles of horses and their relevance today - Intelligence and emotional capabilities of horses
Personal Experiences and Integration with Healing Process - Melisa's personal temperament and belief in a non-judgmental, loving environment - The story of Melisa's daughter, Molly, and her medical journey - Melisa's perspective on death, pain, and grief and how it has evolved through dealing with her daughter's chronic illness
The Business and Entrepreneurship Program - A comprehensive two-year program starting January 2024 - Miranda's positive experience and transformation through the program - Relevant information on webinars and how to apply
The Healing Program with Horses - Overview of the 15-year-old program involving Equine Gestalt and horse chakras - Details about the program's target individuals and requirements for joining - Transformation from initial resistance to growing interest and openness towards the concept
Melisa's Info
Website: https://touchedbyahorse.com/
Email- office@touchedbyahorse.com
Instagram: www.instagram.com/touchedbyahorse
Facebook: www.facebook.com/touchedbyahorse
Miranda's Information:
Liberating Your Voice Information:
The "Liberate Your Voice" session is 1:1 35 minute transformative experience designed to help you unlock the power of your authentic self-expression. This session is crafted to guide you on a journey of self-discovery, empowerment, and liberation of your unique voice so that you reconnect to your self expression in a compassionate and loving way.
We have all been conditioned and that is on - it is the awareness of the conditioning that encourages you to take those uncomfortable steps in releasing it that liberates your self expression and your heart.
Email me at: miranda@miranda-mitchell.com
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Do you spend all of your time building and maintaining your business so that you achieve the success you envision? Do you feel frustrated, unfulfilled, and have a loss or disconnect from your creative flow? Are you a conscious leader that is ready for change when it comes to society's views on money, wealth, relationships, and what prosperity truly means? If so, you are in the right place.
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Welcome to the provoking prosperity podcast.
.999I am your host, Miranda Mitchell.
.999I am a two four manage end.
Who is here to empower and equip you to step out of the box of social norms, guide you into using your voice for inspiration and impact and support you in finding what prosperity means for you so that you have the business and life that fulfills you.
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So grab that cup of coffee, get comfy, and get ready to hear the heartwarming and heart wrenching personal stories, all things jinkies plus tangible practices that you can implement right now for your personal and business growth. 7 00:00:59,201.111111111 --> 00:01:00,671.111111111 Hello, beautiful souls. 8 00:01:00,681.111111111 --> 00:01:12,436.111111111 It is Miranda here, and I'm so honored and excited and a little nervous to bring on one of my Teachers that have made a huge impact in my life recently. 9 00:01:12,726.111111111 --> 00:01:13,596.111111111 So I'm already starting. 10 00:01:14,826.111111111 --> 00:01:34,166.111111111 So I want to introduce you to Melissa Pierce, who I'm going to have her share a little bit of her story about what she does touch by a horse and let her do that because I truly feel when it comes from the person themselves, the experience themselves, it's so much more impactful and more in depth than if I. 11 00:01:34,541.111111111 --> 00:01:39,111.111111111 share it even though I have a really close connection with my heart with this program. 12 00:01:40,167.77777778 --> 00:01:42,117.77777778 Thank you for having me on, Miranda. 13 00:01:42,427.77777778 --> 00:01:52,272.77777778 I've had horses all my life, so I am a horseman, and I had a very traditional Upbringing with them and showed them at a world level and all of that kind of thing. 14 00:01:52,672.77777778 --> 00:02:01,782.77777778 But at one point, because I became a psychotherapist, I created my own method of working with them as my partners, as my healing partners. 15 00:02:02,182.77777778 --> 00:02:08,312.77777778 So that's the training that you're doing with me presently to become an equine Gestaltist. 16 00:02:08,442.77777778 --> 00:02:15,672.77777778 And Gestalt is a German word that basically means we're always flowing toward wholeness. 17 00:02:16,47.77777778 --> 00:02:19,857.77777778 We're flowing toward our fullness and our wholeness as people. 18 00:02:20,497.77777778 --> 00:02:23,477.77777778 And the process is very experiential. 19 00:02:23,517.77777778 --> 00:02:28,687.77777778 I think you never forget what you learn alongside a 1200 pound animal. 20 00:02:29,7.77777778 --> 00:02:32,407.77677778 You know, that stays in our brain and our heart and our cells. 21 00:02:33,127.77677778 --> 00:02:36,977.77777778 I could say a lot of things to you, but you never forget what my beautiful horses. 22 00:02:37,322.77777778 --> 00:02:40,232.77777778 Do with you and, and how that happens. 23 00:02:40,792.77777778 --> 00:02:47,122.77777778 And it's all deeply tied to our somatics or our body responses and our body energies that are going in there. 24 00:02:47,122.77777778 --> 00:02:56,172.77777778 So it's a very holistic approach and very applicable to a lot of different mental health situations that PR people bring to us. 25 00:02:57,172.77777778 --> 00:03:03,672.77777778 And it supports everybody because the way that the experience is. 26 00:03:04,687.77777778 --> 00:03:11,747.77777778 It's given to the person to experience is through their own reflection through their own experiences, their own own traumas. 27 00:03:12,237.77777778 --> 00:03:17,307.77777778 So it is really open to everybody, which is something that. 28 00:03:17,892.77777778 --> 00:03:24,892.77777778 I truly appreciate because it can come from all different realms of beliefs and limiting beliefs absolutely. 29 00:03:24,992.77777778 --> 00:03:26,2.77777778 Absolutely. 30 00:03:26,2.77777778 --> 00:03:38,152.77877778 Yeah, it's probably as diverse as we are as humans, which is saying a lot, right? We're all so individual and different and every, what we call piece of work is uniquely tailored to that person. 31 00:03:38,582.77877778 --> 00:03:40,697.72877778 And it's also very co active. 32 00:03:40,697.72877778 --> 00:03:43,462.77877778 So I always tell you all as students. 33 00:03:43,992.77877778 --> 00:03:51,62.77877778 We shouldn't have all the answers because I don't think anybody does have all the answers, right? It's everything in life is too complex. 34 00:03:51,352.77877778 --> 00:03:58,872.77877778 I believe every one of my clients has their own best answer Inside of themselves, but they're unaware of it. 35 00:03:58,872.77877778 --> 00:04:05,532.77877778 It's outside of their consciousness So this work allows every client to work through to their own truth. 36 00:04:05,532.77877778 --> 00:04:06,332.77877778 Not my truth. 37 00:04:06,642.77877778 --> 00:04:12,927.77877778 Not the truth, but their truth and And the, the, the outcome is permanent. 38 00:04:13,47.77877778 --> 00:04:14,287.77877778 And I love that as well. 39 00:04:15,697.77877778 --> 00:04:17,307.77877778 They don't have to come back a year later. 40 00:04:17,307.77877778 --> 00:04:17,957.77877778 It's quick. 41 00:04:18,147.77877778 --> 00:04:26,347.77877778 They don't have to come back a year later with another therapist and talk about all of it again, you know? So whatever they work on, it's a, it's a permanent change. 42 00:04:27,387.77777778 --> 00:04:31,787.67877778 And as a, we will be going to the human design aspect later, but you are a manifestor. 43 00:04:31,787.77877778 --> 00:04:35,67.77877778 So of course you're going to like things done quickly. 44 00:04:35,507.77877778 --> 00:04:40,187.77877778 So it ties into everything that your energy is. 45 00:04:40,542.77877778 --> 00:04:42,412.77877778 And you're bringing that out to the world. 46 00:04:42,912.77877778 --> 00:04:47,552.77877778 I do want to touch on it takes a special person to be able to hold the space. 47 00:04:47,962.77877778 --> 00:05:15,572.77877778 So I would love for you to maybe discuss that or maybe first honor that in yourself because you are someone that can truly hold this space for everyone to feel Safe in that moment as everything is occurring, and it takes a special person to be able to do that, and you actually guide all of us, all of the students to be able to do that. 48 00:05:15,582.77877778 --> 00:05:27,932.77877778 So can you talk about that a little bit holding the space? What's interesting that we're recording this right after the celebration of the completion of 15 years of the training program. 49 00:05:28,222.77877778 --> 00:05:35,662.77877778 My business has been open since the 1980s, but 15 years ago, I started the certification to train others to do my work. 50 00:05:36,112.77877778 --> 00:05:37,942.77877778 And one of the things that. 51 00:05:38,237.77877778 --> 00:05:41,197.77877778 It just sort of evolved out of our big summit. 52 00:05:41,237.77877778 --> 00:05:48,167.77877778 This last weekend was we had this odd hour because one of the speakers got hurt by a horse and couldn't make it and stuff. 53 00:05:48,647.77877778 --> 00:05:50,757.77777778 And so I said, well, I'll answer questions. 54 00:05:50,757.77877778 --> 00:05:58,122.67877778 And instead, the microphone went around the arena to all different people, filling my heart with questions. 55 00:05:58,342.77877778 --> 00:06:07,922.77877778 Exactly what you just said their transformation, how I hold that space for such a big group of people and a herd and all of that. 56 00:06:08,552.77777778 --> 00:06:12,212.77777778 Part of it is my temperament, my innate. 57 00:06:12,852.77877778 --> 00:06:17,972.77877778 temperament that I was born with as a nurturer and a feeler and all of that. 58 00:06:18,492.77877778 --> 00:06:29,302.77877778 I think another part of it is that I believe that, a nonjudgmental loving environment is the most healing thing for anything in the world. 59 00:06:29,842.77777778 --> 00:06:39,782.77877778 And that I never sit in a position of judgment because who am I to judge another person? I want to listen and remain open and learn. 60 00:06:40,292.77877778 --> 00:06:44,822.77877778 And do I see people sometimes that That my brain says, well, that's just wrong. 61 00:06:45,92.77877778 --> 00:06:48,702.77877778 Yes, obviously we're human, right? That isn't a good way to be. 62 00:06:48,702.77877778 --> 00:06:49,692.77877778 That's just wrong. 63 00:06:50,52.77877778 --> 00:07:06,412.77877778 But my brain goes immediately, my Gestaltist in me goes immediately to, I wonder what happened to that person to cause them to frame that framework of anger or hatred or whatever it might be that they're dealing with in life. 64 00:07:07,22.77877778 --> 00:07:12,982.77877778 To me, they weren't born that way, you know, something it's, it's part of who we are. 65 00:07:12,982.77877778 --> 00:07:15,442.77877778 We don't say what's wrong with you. 66 00:07:15,702.77877778 --> 00:07:19,202.77877778 We say, what happened to you? You know, what happened to you share it with me. 67 00:07:19,202.77877778 --> 00:07:20,452.77877778 And let's take a look at it. 68 00:07:21,522.77877778 --> 00:07:23,432.77827778 There isn't any easy way to hold space. 69 00:07:23,432.77827778 --> 00:07:27,252.77877778 I also think I'm part horse horses hold space beautifully. 70 00:07:27,252.77877778 --> 00:07:31,882.77877778 And I think I've just, I've just become more and more like them over the years. 71 00:07:33,402.77877778 --> 00:07:40,997.77877778 Can you go into more about the horse? and how the horse's energetic field helps support this process. 72 00:07:42,282.77877778 --> 00:07:43,252.77877778 Absolutely. 73 00:07:43,272.77877778 --> 00:07:52,422.77777778 They, they by nature affiliate with each other through energy, right? They govern each other. 74 00:07:52,422.77877778 --> 00:07:53,812.77777778 They protect each other. 75 00:07:53,812.77877778 --> 00:07:55,252.77877778 They relate to each other. 76 00:07:55,602.77877778 --> 00:08:00,632.77777778 They have incredible awarenesses of their whole herd family at all times. 77 00:08:01,42.77877778 --> 00:08:26,647.77777778 You know, if you see a stallion out, say in the wild or with a herd, the stallion will always graze the ground All the way from his right hip back forward, then he turns his head all the way to the left back forward while he's eating, he's watching 360 degrees around himself to make sure the herd is okay and safe and watching for smoke and predators and all kinds of things. 78 00:08:27,217.77877778 --> 00:08:33,857.77877778 So I think they have this amazing natural ability because they're on the prey side instead of the predator side. 79 00:08:34,147.77877778 --> 00:08:44,127.77677778 They're on the prey side to always be looking for where they are safe, where they are understood, where they are appreciated, where they're not in danger. 80 00:08:44,897.77877778 --> 00:08:48,27.77777778 You know, my dogs, they'll chum to food any day of the week. 81 00:08:48,27.77777778 --> 00:08:50,927.77777778 I can train my dog to do almost anything if I have a treat. 82 00:08:51,702.77777778 --> 00:08:53,582.77777778 But horses, that's not their jam. 83 00:08:53,582.77777778 --> 00:08:59,442.77777778 Their jam is security and safety and presence and holding space and kindness. 84 00:08:59,482.77677778 --> 00:09:01,32.77777778 They're very much in the present moment. 85 00:09:01,812.77777778 --> 00:09:11,972.77677778 I know for a fact that they're not out in the pasture today wondering about what happened last weekend at this big event, right? Or what I might be thinking we're going to do tomorrow. 86 00:09:12,582.77777778 --> 00:09:27,82.77777778 They're right here right now, so they have an amazing ability to do that on top of that because they do work in that ultra sensitive frequency and vibration with people, they can take a reading if you will. 87 00:09:27,82.77777778 --> 00:09:39,482.77777778 So only word I found for it, they can take an instantaneous reading of the humans energies and the first thing they're looking for is, am I the horse safe in your energy field, you know, are you okay. 88 00:09:40,272.77777778 --> 00:09:50,952.77677778 If they feel like that's accurate, but maybe you're in pain or you're sad or you're having some sort of an emotion that they can assist you with, they want to do that. 89 00:09:51,282.77777778 --> 00:09:58,592.77777778 They really are eager to do an attunement, like in a, an upliftment of, of people all the way around. 90 00:09:59,272.77777778 --> 00:10:03,92.77777778 If it's a physical ailment, they're fascinated with that. 91 00:10:03,132.77777778 --> 00:10:07,702.77677778 And some of them will do whatever they can do to assist with that as well. 92 00:10:08,252.77777778 --> 00:10:19,492.77777778 The sentence I tend to use the most is they see that which is fractured within us and do everything they can to help it become whole, which is Gestalt again. 93 00:10:19,582.77777778 --> 00:10:21,72.77777778 They're kind of the natural Gestaltists. 94 00:10:22,72.77777778 --> 00:10:25,592.77777778 I'm wondering why they do that for us when we've been so horrible to them. 95 00:10:26,652.77777778 --> 00:10:28,132.77777778 Well, that's a good question. 96 00:10:28,802.77677778 --> 00:10:37,592.77677778 You know, yeah, in the millennia, you know, if we look in the millennia that horses have been with us, they have helped plow our fields. 97 00:10:37,592.77777778 --> 00:10:40,412.77777778 They've carried us to wars and they weren't their wars. 98 00:10:40,452.77777778 --> 00:10:41,332.77777778 They're not a warrior. 99 00:10:41,792.77777778 --> 00:10:44,522.77777778 But they carried us to wars, many human wars. 100 00:10:44,962.77777778 --> 00:10:47,182.77777778 They have you know, driven loads. 101 00:10:47,182.77777778 --> 00:10:48,412.77777778 They were transportation. 102 00:10:48,662.77777778 --> 00:10:51,312.77777778 They've just had so many different roles with us. 103 00:10:51,312.77777778 --> 00:10:53,462.77777778 It's absolutely mind blowing. 104 00:10:53,862.77677778 --> 00:10:55,32.77777778 But I do believe. 105 00:10:55,802.77777778 --> 00:10:58,982.77777778 Well, the role I'm not a person that's against riding. 106 00:10:58,982.77777778 --> 00:11:00,492.77777778 I love to trail ride. 107 00:11:00,842.77777778 --> 00:11:04,472.77777778 I also love in my trail riding to check in with the horse. 108 00:11:04,472.77777778 --> 00:11:05,932.77777778 They're my partner on that ride. 109 00:11:06,152.77777778 --> 00:11:10,782.77777778 Like, are you also having a good time? Are you ready to go back to the trailer? Because I might be. 110 00:11:11,22.77777778 --> 00:11:14,152.77677778 I think it's a, it's a partnership of respect. 111 00:11:14,662.77677778 --> 00:11:17,672.77677778 And I showed, like I said, for years and. 112 00:11:18,57.77777778 --> 00:11:22,487.77777778 And until ego and greed gets into showing it's a great thing to do. 113 00:11:22,487.77777778 --> 00:11:25,167.77777778 And there's just a lot of different things they do for us. 114 00:11:25,727.77777778 --> 00:11:47,377.77677778 But I do believe their prosperity with us right now, their real need and desire to prosper with us is in healing is in how can I help those small human animals who are always in their brain thinking, thinking, thinking, thinking all the time, full of anxiety, full of craziness. 115 00:11:47,737.77677778 --> 00:11:48,802.67777778 How can I, the horse. 116 00:11:49,102.77777778 --> 00:11:56,732.77777778 Help them calm down and be in the world, right? So I, I do think they pity us some days. 117 00:11:57,102.77777778 --> 00:11:58,902.77777778 I'm pretty convinced on that one. 118 00:12:00,112.77677778 --> 00:12:03,662.77677778 You can look at their eyes and see how wise they are. 119 00:12:03,662.77777778 --> 00:12:08,172.77677778 That's the one thing that always drew me to them. 120 00:12:08,232.77677778 --> 00:12:20,527.77777778 And honestly even drew me to this process with you was There had always been something with the way that I looked in their eyes and some people actually are fearful of that. 121 00:12:20,537.77777778 --> 00:12:21,717.77777778 Like it's deep. 122 00:12:22,97.77777778 --> 00:12:23,527.77777778 Don't look them in the eye. 123 00:12:23,537.77777778 --> 00:12:25,837.77677778 Yeah, you'll even hear a horse trainer saying that. 124 00:12:25,837.77777778 --> 00:12:28,27.77677778 Not me, but you hear some of them doing that. 125 00:12:28,597.77677778 --> 00:12:32,727.77777778 I, I, I really believe that they, well, I think. 126 00:12:33,162.77777778 --> 00:12:44,782.77777778 Animals in general that we can be the most egocentric animal because we think we're the top, you know, you'll hear human scientists and lecturers and people say, Oh, no, we're the top animal. 127 00:12:45,572.77777778 --> 00:12:52,472.77777778 And I think if you're talking about mathematics, we probably are, you know, quantitatively qualitative thinking. 128 00:12:52,552.77777778 --> 00:12:53,372.77777778 Absolutely. 129 00:12:53,612.77777778 --> 00:12:55,372.77777778 We can do comparisons. 130 00:12:55,612.77777778 --> 00:12:58,282.77777778 They don't, you know, do a comparison kind of thing. 131 00:12:58,282.77777778 --> 00:13:01,42.77677778 So we've got our area in which. 132 00:13:01,312.77777778 --> 00:13:02,712.77777778 We are the brilliant one. 133 00:13:03,282.77777778 --> 00:13:04,992.77777778 But time will tell. 134 00:13:05,62.77777778 --> 00:13:17,62.77777778 I think Jane Goodall, Jack Cousteau, myself, a lot of people are here to differ that there is any one animal that is at the top, ourselves included. 135 00:13:17,662.77677778 --> 00:13:21,237.77777778 And Certainly we're number one in damaging mother earth. 136 00:13:21,277.77777778 --> 00:13:39,432.77777778 We can we've got that to our credit But every animal species has its area that it's number one That's the way I feel I feel like my horses Are way smarter than me in some areas, they're much better athlete than humans are there. 137 00:13:39,532.77777778 --> 00:13:49,292.77777778 There's a lot of ways in which they're brighter than we are, but most humans do not see that they see where the top and all of their animals are beneath us. 138 00:13:49,932.77777778 --> 00:13:51,222.77777778 I don't hold it that way. 139 00:13:51,282.77777778 --> 00:13:52,912.77777778 I hold it that they have wisdom. 140 00:13:53,202.77777778 --> 00:13:55,582.77777778 We are only beginning to understand. 141 00:13:56,492.77777778 --> 00:14:08,442.77777778 We're only beginning to get it, right? I think that is also, well, it is your ego, like you said, and I think it even goes back to fear. 142 00:14:09,22.77777778 --> 00:14:17,692.77877778 We're fearful that they may know something, so we can't look them in the eye because then they can, right? I think so. 143 00:14:17,992.77877778 --> 00:14:23,312.77877778 And it's really all animals have, I think, better senses than we do in certain areas. 144 00:14:25,247.77777778 --> 00:14:28,327.77777778 Well, it's only recently that people have said, okay, there's an IQ. 145 00:14:29,182.77777778 --> 00:14:30,432.77777778 And there's an EQ. 146 00:14:30,442.77777778 --> 00:14:34,652.77777778 That's some kind of like, wow, we understand there's an emotional quotient good for us. 147 00:14:35,642.77777778 --> 00:14:42,722.77677778 There's so many other quotients of intelligence to be measured out there, and horses have a very unique one. 148 00:14:42,872.77677778 --> 00:14:47,442.77677778 And I think they're often able to see what we're doing to ourselves. 149 00:14:48,12.77777778 --> 00:14:57,2.77777778 And feel empathy and sadness that we are doing that to ourselves and do everything we can to say, please be here in this moment. 150 00:14:57,382.77777778 --> 00:15:02,972.77777778 I know when I've gone to the barn through the years, and if I'm distracted. 151 00:15:03,287.77777778 --> 00:15:06,37.77777778 By I don't know something going on in life. 152 00:15:06,97.77777778 --> 00:15:08,307.77777778 My daughter's illness, whatever it might be. 153 00:15:08,857.77777778 --> 00:15:11,367.77777778 I would not be fully present with them. 154 00:15:11,367.77777778 --> 00:15:14,977.77777778 They would always find a way to get me to be right there if they had to stand on my foot. 155 00:15:15,27.77777778 --> 00:15:28,717.77677778 Are you with me right now in this moment? Are you here? So that and one of the things that we love about being with horses is it almost commands and demands that we give our full attention to them and to being with them and to being there. 156 00:15:28,717.77677778 --> 00:15:30,247.77677778 It's hard to also yeah. 157 00:15:30,507.77777778 --> 00:15:32,437.77777778 think about other parts of life. 158 00:15:32,717.77777778 --> 00:15:34,47.77777778 So we leave refreshed. 159 00:15:34,77.77777778 --> 00:15:37,237.77777778 We leave the barn going, Oh, I love being with my horse. 160 00:15:37,287.77777778 --> 00:15:45,912.67777778 Part of it is it makes us, it forces us to check into the present moment in order to be successful with them, to do anything with them, really. 161 00:15:47,292.77777778 --> 00:16:03,392.77777778 Yeah, the present moment is truly when you get to heal and release and acknowledge all the things you didn't mention briefly about your daughter and I did want to touch on that because we all have a reason in life. 162 00:16:03,707.77877778 --> 00:16:11,657.77877778 Why we choose to want to share and heal and love and bring it out into the world. 163 00:16:11,657.77877778 --> 00:16:16,187.77777778 So, can you tell us a little bit about your story? Sure, sure. 164 00:16:16,207.77877778 --> 00:16:20,877.77777778 I have an absolutely beautiful son who's a professional athlete. 165 00:16:20,887.77877778 --> 00:16:23,127.77877778 He's a national champion mountain biker. 166 00:16:23,517.77877778 --> 00:16:26,447.77877778 And has a huge team that mountain bikes all around the world. 167 00:16:26,497.77877778 --> 00:16:29,657.77877778 He's on the USA cycling, you know, it's like a big, big deal. 168 00:16:30,327.77877778 --> 00:16:35,637.77877778 And eight and a half years after my son, Cody, I have my daughter, Molly. 169 00:16:36,57.77877778 --> 00:16:48,117.7787778 And Molly was born with a very rare disease that made her one of three in the world with it, where she was born without the ganglionic nerve cell to her intestinal track. 170 00:16:48,617.7777778 --> 00:16:51,727.7787778 And there is a disease related to it called Hirschsprung's. 171 00:16:52,57.7787778 --> 00:16:56,527.7787778 But she had it one of three people in the world with it as severely as she did. 172 00:16:57,7.7787778 --> 00:16:59,307.7787778 They didn't expect her to live at all. 173 00:16:59,637.7787778 --> 00:17:05,577.7787778 We did an intervention, which had never been done on infants before called Total Parental Nutrition. 174 00:17:05,577.7787778 --> 00:17:08,577.7787778 She was the first infant in the United States on that. 175 00:17:08,927.7777778 --> 00:17:10,227.7787778 And she made it. 176 00:17:10,237.7787778 --> 00:17:11,407.7787778 She wanted to be here. 177 00:17:11,932.7787778 --> 00:17:31,622.6787778 She went on for 24 years of remarkable life went on to get married and go to college and she went to Paris and I mean a lot of different things, but those 24 years there was never didn't have a severe surgery many, many trips to the ER. 178 00:17:31,702.7787778 --> 00:17:35,162.7787778 She had what's called a port in her body for 24 years. 179 00:17:35,472.7787778 --> 00:17:39,312.7787778 So, really tough medically very tough medically. 180 00:17:39,692.7787778 --> 00:17:41,152.7787778 And there was a mistake. 181 00:17:41,402.7787778 --> 00:17:51,602.7787778 at the UCLA transplant center that ultimately cost her her two transplanted organs, a an intestine and a kidney I had given her and cost her her life. 182 00:17:51,602.7787778 --> 00:18:01,802.7787778 So she spent 285 days at the end of her life in the Nebraska transplant center recovering from what UCLA had done and she ultimately died. 183 00:18:01,852.7787778 --> 00:18:15,252.7787778 From her birth, She was always my greatest teacher, my greatest spiritual teacher, my greatest patience teacher, because she kids that have that kind of chronic illness are tough or they wouldn't make it right. 184 00:18:15,262.7787778 --> 00:18:21,142.7787778 So she was always, always thinking, always a tough kid in a good way, strong kid. 185 00:18:21,562.7787778 --> 00:18:24,682.7777778 And yeah, our journey was unique and different. 186 00:18:25,82.7777778 --> 00:18:26,312.7777778 I have no regrets. 187 00:18:26,332.7777778 --> 00:18:29,2.7777778 It couldn't have gone any differently than it did. 188 00:18:29,632.7777778 --> 00:18:38,592.7777778 And people even asked her toward the end of her life, you know, if you could have, if you could have done it all again and be born healthy, of course you would want that. 189 00:18:38,592.7777778 --> 00:18:40,382.7777778 And she said, no, I wouldn't want that. 190 00:18:40,872.7777778 --> 00:18:47,812.7777778 I've had this journey, this particular journey and met the people that we met and had the experiences that we had. 191 00:18:48,342.7777778 --> 00:18:50,162.7777778 Because of my circumstance. 192 00:18:50,182.7777778 --> 00:18:53,522.7777778 So she never had any regrets right to her last breath. 193 00:18:53,522.7777778 --> 00:18:54,552.7777778 She never had a regret. 194 00:18:54,932.7777778 --> 00:18:56,122.7777778 She wanted to stay. 195 00:18:56,192.7777778 --> 00:18:57,62.7777778 That's for sure. 196 00:18:57,812.7777778 --> 00:18:59,32.7777778 Definitely wanted to stay. 197 00:19:00,52.7777778 --> 00:19:18,992.7777778 And how do you feel like you learned and grew through that experience that was given to you with her? Well, I guess part of it is we really don't know what we're made of until we're facing something that involves our greatest fear. 198 00:19:19,2.7767778 --> 00:19:24,202.7777778 So before she was born I would have told you my greatest fear was losing a child. 199 00:19:24,272.7777778 --> 00:19:32,142.7777778 That, bar none, that was, I'm a big mama and that was like, Ooh, I don't know how mothers make it through the loss of children. 200 00:19:32,802.7777778 --> 00:19:36,402.7777778 Through her, we came to the cutting knife edge. 201 00:19:36,927.7777778 --> 00:19:45,217.7777778 Of her death many, many, many, many times, like I had dress rehearsals for 24 years, which were all hard to do. 202 00:19:45,697.7777778 --> 00:19:51,557.7777778 And if already to know, I didn't waste any time worrying. 203 00:19:51,837.7777778 --> 00:19:58,797.7777778 It's one of the things she really taught me was that worry is the most unproductive way we can spend our life force. 204 00:19:59,147.7777778 --> 00:20:00,657.7777778 It doesn't change anything. 205 00:20:00,667.7777778 --> 00:20:01,987.7777778 It doesn't help anything. 206 00:20:02,987.7777778 --> 00:20:08,867.7777778 Any worrying I'm fairly fearless because I faced my greatest fear. 207 00:20:09,337.7777778 --> 00:20:19,977.7777778 I learned a lot about what it means to courageously show up when others are in pain, or I'm always the person that goes to somebody's death bed. 208 00:20:21,137.7777778 --> 00:20:24,607.7777778 Cause man, we got to show up. 209 00:20:24,657.7777778 --> 00:20:28,767.7777778 And sometimes people say, I don't know what, what to say, I don't know what to do. 210 00:20:29,57.7777778 --> 00:20:30,477.7767778 I don't know how to be there. 211 00:20:30,477.7777778 --> 00:20:31,787.7777778 So I just won't go. 212 00:20:32,27.7767778 --> 00:20:38,837.7777778 And that's such a mistake when people are in pain or grief, they don't need advice, but they need us to show up and needs to be there. 213 00:20:39,317.7777778 --> 00:20:42,487.7767778 And so, gosh, lots and lots of different lessons like that. 214 00:20:42,867.7767778 --> 00:20:50,497.7767778 And lots of soul lessons, you know, I believe her soul and mind danced this dance of her life. 215 00:20:51,497.7767778 --> 00:20:55,997.7767778 And when she left now it's mine to carry on my life purpose and accidents. 216 00:20:56,447.7767778 --> 00:20:58,687.7767778 So she chose me, I chose her. 217 00:20:59,687.7767778 --> 00:21:06,537.7777778 Can we touch a bit on, you said you started about 15 years ago and this... 218 00:21:08,267.7777778 --> 00:21:20,577.7767778 Yes, this energy with equine gestalt and talking about how horses and their chakras and all of that 15 years ago, that was not talked about. 219 00:21:21,37.7777778 --> 00:21:26,917.7777778 I actually started that a good 12 years before I did that. 220 00:21:26,917.7777778 --> 00:21:29,197.7777778 I was in the late 1990s. 221 00:21:29,197.7777778 --> 00:21:42,247.7777778 Yeah, no girl, the program officially started in 2008 when people said, could you train me to do what you do? And I wasn't sure I could, but I have 278 certified practitioners worldwide. 222 00:21:43,32.7777778 --> 00:21:57,612.7767778 Before that though, so gosh, 2008, so it would have been probably in 98 or so I was at equine affair and equine extravaganza and all the big expo's speaking about horses and chakras and their desire to heal. 223 00:21:57,612.8767778 --> 00:22:12,347.7777778 What was the reaction from everybody and how did you intuitively know? In your gut that you knew this and this is something that you're bringing out. 224 00:22:12,357.7777778 --> 00:22:14,967.7777778 Eventually some of they would catch, we would catch up to you. 225 00:22:15,87.7777778 --> 00:22:15,877.7777778 Oh yeah. 226 00:22:15,877.7777778 --> 00:22:16,157.7777778 Yeah. 227 00:22:16,157.7777778 --> 00:22:17,307.7777778 Everybody's on it now. 228 00:22:17,307.7777778 --> 00:22:18,47.7777778 They're all claiming. 229 00:22:19,247.7777778 --> 00:22:25,147.7767778 No, I think like in 98, 99, that basically the horses have proven it to me. 230 00:22:25,147.7767778 --> 00:22:28,707.7777778 I had already been doing my method for at least a decade at that point. 231 00:22:29,147.7777778 --> 00:22:33,677.7777778 And I'd already had many, many, many clients that were transformed and changed. 232 00:22:33,677.7777778 --> 00:22:36,427.7777778 And so I witnessed what they were doing enough. 233 00:22:36,797.7777778 --> 00:22:38,447.7777778 And I felt like I. 234 00:22:38,892.7777778 --> 00:22:41,312.7777778 really wanted to share this with people. 235 00:22:41,312.7777778 --> 00:22:46,152.7777778 I really wanted horsemen, no matter how they were partnering with their horses. 236 00:22:46,422.7777778 --> 00:22:57,812.7777778 I felt like you need to understand these incredible animals are clairsentient and they're taking a reading and they're doing a lot more with their body energy and they're reading your body energy a lot more. 237 00:22:57,952.7767778 --> 00:23:00,82.7777778 So I felt called to say all that. 238 00:23:00,742.7777778 --> 00:23:09,382.7777778 The first expo, some of these expos get at that time, like 60, 000 people They're big, big expos. 239 00:23:09,892.7777778 --> 00:23:14,892.7777778 And I would offer to speak, they wanted me to speak, and I'd offer to speak on a few traditional things. 240 00:23:14,942.7777778 --> 00:23:38,612.7767778 And then they'd say, could I also do a demonstration on horses and chakras? And they'd go, horses in what? Horses in their energy fields? I guess so, right? And they would stick me this is the truth, in some little arena behind where the horse trailers were being sold at the far end of the expo, right? Where people had to really hunt me down. 241 00:23:38,622.7777778 --> 00:23:40,232.7777778 They had to want to be there. 242 00:23:40,772.7767778 --> 00:23:42,272.7777778 So I would do my thing. 243 00:23:43,47.7777778 --> 00:23:52,517.7777778 And there were sometimes people who got got up and said, I don't get it and walked off and I just had to not let that bother me and keep going. 244 00:23:52,927.7777778 --> 00:23:55,237.7777778 But there were more and more people. 245 00:23:55,617.7777778 --> 00:23:59,787.7777778 Each year they started, started kind of moving me a little bit more toward the mainstream. 246 00:23:59,787.7777778 --> 00:24:04,827.7777778 I got a little better placement, you know, each year because people who went said, I want to hear her. 247 00:24:05,107.7777778 --> 00:24:05,977.7772778 I want to see her. 248 00:24:05,977.7772778 --> 00:24:07,397.7777778 Don't stick her out in the boons. 249 00:24:07,757.7777778 --> 00:24:08,577.7767778 We want to see her. 250 00:24:09,37.7777778 --> 00:24:13,22.7777778 And I had more and more people who said, I've wondered about this. 251 00:24:13,332.7777778 --> 00:24:14,722.7777778 I'm curious about this. 252 00:24:14,722.7777778 --> 00:24:25,22.7767778 How do I learn more about this? And it just started taking off about five or six years after I was publicly saying horses live in the moment. 253 00:24:25,72.7767778 --> 00:24:32,282.7777778 And, you know, a number of the key things that I was saying about energy fields and horses, I would go listen to some trainer. 254 00:24:32,697.7777778 --> 00:24:35,817.7777778 And the trainer would say, you know, horses live in the moment. 255 00:24:35,817.7777778 --> 00:24:39,307.7777778 And he had come over to listen to me a few times and then thought, well, that's pretty true. 256 00:24:39,387.7777778 --> 00:24:40,627.7777778 I'm going to put that in mind too. 257 00:24:41,67.7767778 --> 00:24:47,127.7777778 So, and then more and more people started kind of boom, you know, copying it and taking it out. 258 00:24:47,537.7777778 --> 00:24:49,17.7777778 But it was interesting in the beginning. 259 00:24:49,77.7767778 --> 00:24:50,957.7777778 I will say that it was interesting. 260 00:24:52,912.7777778 --> 00:25:00,852.7777778 Would you mind sharing with us, you mentioned horsemen, and I just want to say, I'm not a horseman, so this is also for people that are not horsemen. 261 00:25:01,32.7777778 --> 00:25:05,292.7767778 I will be, but coming into this, I was not. 262 00:25:06,212.7777778 --> 00:25:14,727.7777778 Could you say a little bit about the program, who it's for? When the next opening is how to get in touch with you. 263 00:25:14,727.7777778 --> 00:25:23,487.7777778 I will have all your information in the show notes, but just so that you can say and spread the word on who is for the invitation for those that are kind of asking. 264 00:25:23,517.7777778 --> 00:25:26,877.7777778 Oh, I wonder if this could be for me or if this feels like I'm interested. 265 00:25:26,877.7777778 --> 00:25:29,977.7767778 How could I get information? Thank you for asking that. 266 00:25:30,407.7767778 --> 00:25:31,47.7767778 So. 267 00:25:31,562.7777778 --> 00:25:55,382.7777778 I am looking for people, not that know everything, I'm looking for the person that says, I want to make a sincere difference in the world, in people's lives, I want to learn how to professionally sit in the presence of pain, and be able to make a difference for the person, not just be a good listener, but way beyond that actually transform them and help them drop their pain in the sand. 268 00:25:55,382.8777778 --> 00:26:00,572.7767778 And most of our students are people who say, I could do that. 269 00:26:01,32.7777778 --> 00:26:02,422.7777778 Alongside a horse. 270 00:26:02,737.7777778 --> 00:26:03,777.7777778 Boy, I'd be happy. 271 00:26:03,967.7777778 --> 00:26:12,537.7777778 That was my business working with my horses in that way and understanding what they're all about and what they're showing us and how to do that. 272 00:26:12,577.7767778 --> 00:26:13,647.7777778 I'd be really happy. 273 00:26:14,57.7777778 --> 00:26:20,417.7767778 So we have a few people who are already in the mental health field that join us, psychotherapists, et cetera. 274 00:26:20,687.7777778 --> 00:26:24,787.7777778 The majority do not have any mental health training on board at all. 275 00:26:25,7.7777778 --> 00:26:27,477.7777778 What they have is a huge heart and a desire. 276 00:26:27,777.7777778 --> 00:26:29,277.7777778 They just know they want to do. 277 00:26:30,277.7777778 --> 00:26:32,217.7777778 Some of our students are horsemen. 278 00:26:32,227.7777778 --> 00:26:37,357.7777778 They're trainers, and they really understand horses, but they learn horses in a really different way from me. 279 00:26:37,357.7777778 --> 00:26:41,207.7777778 Most of them go home and apologize to the horse after the first in meeting. 280 00:26:41,767.7777778 --> 00:26:43,97.7777778 But it's certainly not required. 281 00:26:43,127.7767778 --> 00:26:48,757.6777778 They don't have to have a horse, a farm, or anything else in order to come into the program and learn all that we teach them. 282 00:26:49,167.7777778 --> 00:26:52,597.7777778 Some people have never been successful in business for themselves. 283 00:26:52,597.7777778 --> 00:26:56,297.7777778 We teach all the business entrepreneurship and how to get started in it. 284 00:26:56,657.7777778 --> 00:26:59,907.7777778 That's why it's a two year program because it's so comprehensive. 285 00:26:59,937.7767778 --> 00:27:00,937.7777778 There's so much in it. 286 00:27:01,337.7777778 --> 00:27:05,607.7777778 Our next class starts January 8th of 2024. 287 00:27:05,887.7767778 --> 00:27:08,217.7767778 We are taking contracts now. 288 00:27:08,627.7777778 --> 00:27:19,197.7777778 And we're doing webinars about once a month, giving a lot of information about it, but the easiest way is to go to our website, touched by a horse. 289 00:27:19,507.7777778 --> 00:27:19,997.7777778 com. 290 00:27:20,407.7777778 --> 00:27:20,747.7777778 We got the. 291 00:27:21,752.7777778 --> 00:27:25,842.7777778 Of my company from an old CBS show touched by an angel, the horses are my angel. 292 00:27:25,842.7777778 --> 00:27:27,382.7777778 So it's touched by a horse. 293 00:27:27,602.7777778 --> 00:27:35,682.7777778 com and on there, it'll tell you how you can get an application, how you can get a handbook, you know, how you can meet me, all of it. 294 00:27:35,692.7777778 --> 00:27:37,732.7767778 So you can do all of it through our website. 295 00:27:38,932.7777778 --> 00:27:39,552.7777778 Thank you. 296 00:27:40,112.7767778 --> 00:27:40,332.7767778 Yeah. 297 00:27:40,332.7777778 --> 00:27:47,312.7777778 I want to share to everybody that if you choose to reach out and if you choose to dive into this. 298 00:27:47,917.7777778 --> 00:27:50,397.7777778 it will change your life. 299 00:27:50,487.7777778 --> 00:28:01,477.7767778 I really thought I had done a lot of my work and I didn't go into the anger aspect which I want to thank you so much because I fully did not realize I was angry. 300 00:28:01,577.7777778 --> 00:28:12,797.7777778 I believed that I had that I was okay and now I realized it was all of my all of my things I had in place to keep my anger at bay, but it wasn't released. 301 00:28:13,597.7767778 --> 00:28:22,887.7777778 And I appreciate you so much in supporting me and actually letting that anger out and releasing the voice. 302 00:28:23,237.7777778 --> 00:28:26,787.7777778 So it is nothing like you'll ever experience. 303 00:28:27,387.7777778 --> 00:28:36,477.7777778 It's nothing like you'll ever experience and to be able to hold that space for people really creates a huge shift in their lives. 304 00:28:36,627.7777778 --> 00:28:39,37.7777778 The people that they're with humanity as a whole. 305 00:28:39,57.7777778 --> 00:28:41,767.7777778 So if you're wanting to help the collective, this is a huge way. 306 00:28:42,317.7767778 --> 00:28:47,777.7767778 So Even if you're just kind of like, Oh, I like courses or, Oh, this kind of sounds interesting. 307 00:28:47,837.7767778 --> 00:28:49,37.7767778 Just go check it out. 308 00:28:49,427.7767778 --> 00:28:59,907.7777778 Look up the website, watch whatever's on there, connect with Melissa if you can, and they can also find a practitioner near them if they're interested in that there's a find a practitioner. 309 00:28:59,907.7777778 --> 00:29:07,237.7777778 We have graduates and certified practitioners all over the country so they can find somebody to go get a session and see how it works for them. 310 00:29:08,447.7777778 --> 00:29:10,917.7777778 That'll be me in two years and a year and a half. 311 00:29:12,137.7777778 --> 00:29:12,837.7777778 That's right. 312 00:29:12,867.7777778 --> 00:29:13,687.7777778 That's right. 313 00:29:14,47.7777778 --> 00:29:14,507.7777778 Awesome. 314 00:29:14,687.7777778 --> 00:29:17,107.7777778 Well, I appreciate you and I thank you for your time. 315 00:29:17,107.7777778 --> 00:29:18,47.7777778 I know you've been very busy. 316 00:29:18,147.7777778 --> 00:29:19,427.7777778 A lot of things going on. 317 00:29:19,787.7777778 --> 00:29:26,37.7757778 Is there anything else that you want to share before we close? 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So grab that cup of coffee, get comfy, and get ready to hear the heartwarming and heart wrenching personal stories, all things jinkies plus tangible practices that you can implement right now for your personal and business growth. 7 00:00:59,201.111111111 --> 00:01:00,671.111111111 Hello, beautiful souls. 8 00:01:00,681.111111111 --> 00:01:12,436.111111111 It is Miranda here, and I'm so honored and excited and a little nervous to bring on one of my Teachers that have made a huge impact in my life recently. 9 00:01:12,726.111111111 --> 00:01:13,596.111111111 So I'm already starting. 10 00:01:14,826.111111111 --> 00:01:34,166.111111111 So I want to introduce you to Melissa Pierce, who I'm going to have her share a little bit of her story about what she does touch by a horse and let her do that because I truly feel when it comes from the person themselves, the experience themselves, it's so much more impactful and more in depth than if I. 11 00:01:34,541.111111111 --> 00:01:39,111.111111111 share it even though I have a really close connection with my heart with this program. 12 00:01:40,167.77777778 --> 00:01:42,117.77777778 Thank you for having me on, Miranda. 13 00:01:42,427.77777778 --> 00:01:52,272.77777778 I've had horses all my life, so I am a horseman, and I had a very traditional Upbringing with them and showed them at a world level and all of that kind of thing. 14 00:01:52,672.77777778 --> 00:02:01,782.77777778 But at one point, because I became a psychotherapist, I created my own method of working with them as my partners, as my healing partners. 15 00:02:02,182.77777778 --> 00:02:08,312.77777778 So that's the training that you're doing with me presently to become an equine Gestaltist. 16 00:02:08,442.77777778 --> 00:02:15,672.77777778 And Gestalt is a German word that basically means we're always flowing toward wholeness. 17 00:02:16,47.77777778 --> 00:02:19,857.77777778 We're flowing toward our fullness and our wholeness as people. 18 00:02:20,497.77777778 --> 00:02:23,477.77777778 And the process is very experiential. 19 00:02:23,517.77777778 --> 00:02:28,687.77777778 I think you never forget what you learn alongside a 1200 pound animal. 20 00:02:29,7.77777778 --> 00:02:32,407.77677778 You know, that stays in our brain and our heart and our cells. 21 00:02:33,127.77677778 --> 00:02:36,977.77777778 I could say a lot of things to you, but you never forget what my beautiful horses. 22 00:02:37,322.77777778 --> 00:02:40,232.77777778 Do with you and, and how that happens. 23 00:02:40,792.77777778 --> 00:02:47,122.77777778 And it's all deeply tied to our somatics or our body responses and our body energies that are going in there. 24 00:02:47,122.77777778 --> 00:02:56,172.77777778 So it's a very holistic approach and very applicable to a lot of different mental health situations that PR people bring to us. 25 00:02:57,172.77777778 --> 00:03:03,672.77777778 And it supports everybody because the way that the experience is. 26 00:03:04,687.77777778 --> 00:03:11,747.77777778 It's given to the person to experience is through their own reflection through their own experiences, their own own traumas. 27 00:03:12,237.77777778 --> 00:03:17,307.77777778 So it is really open to everybody, which is something that. 28 00:03:17,892.77777778 --> 00:03:24,892.77777778 I truly appreciate because it can come from all different realms of beliefs and limiting beliefs absolutely. 29 00:03:24,992.77777778 --> 00:03:26,2.77777778 Absolutely. 30 00:03:26,2.77777778 --> 00:03:38,152.77877778 Yeah, it's probably as diverse as we are as humans, which is saying a lot, right? We're all so individual and different and every, what we call piece of work is uniquely tailored to that person. 31 00:03:38,582.77877778 --> 00:03:40,697.72877778 And it's also very co active. 32 00:03:40,697.72877778 --> 00:03:43,462.77877778 So I always tell you all as students. 33 00:03:43,992.77877778 --> 00:03:51,62.77877778 We shouldn't have all the answers because I don't think anybody does have all the answers, right? It's everything in life is too complex. 34 00:03:51,352.77877778 --> 00:03:58,872.77877778 I believe every one of my clients has their own best answer Inside of themselves, but they're unaware of it. 35 00:03:58,872.77877778 --> 00:04:05,532.77877778 It's outside of their consciousness So this work allows every client to work through to their own truth. 36 00:04:05,532.77877778 --> 00:04:06,332.77877778 Not my truth. 37 00:04:06,642.77877778 --> 00:04:12,927.77877778 Not the truth, but their truth and And the, the, the outcome is permanent. 38 00:04:13,47.77877778 --> 00:04:14,287.77877778 And I love that as well. 39 00:04:15,697.77877778 --> 00:04:17,307.77877778 They don't have to come back a year later. 40 00:04:17,307.77877778 --> 00:04:17,957.77877778 It's quick. 41 00:04:18,147.77877778 --> 00:04:26,347.77877778 They don't have to come back a year later with another therapist and talk about all of it again, you know? So whatever they work on, it's a, it's a permanent change. 42 00:04:27,387.77777778 --> 00:04:31,787.67877778 And as a, we will be going to the human design aspect later, but you are a manifestor. 43 00:04:31,787.77877778 --> 00:04:35,67.77877778 So of course you're going to like things done quickly. 44 00:04:35,507.77877778 --> 00:04:40,187.77877778 So it ties into everything that your energy is. 45 00:04:40,542.77877778 --> 00:04:42,412.77877778 And you're bringing that out to the world. 46 00:04:42,912.77877778 --> 00:04:47,552.77877778 I do want to touch on it takes a special person to be able to hold the space. 47 00:04:47,962.77877778 --> 00:05:15,572.77877778 So I would love for you to maybe discuss that or maybe first honor that in yourself because you are someone that can truly hold this space for everyone to feel Safe in that moment as everything is occurring, and it takes a special person to be able to do that, and you actually guide all of us, all of the students to be able to do that. 48 00:05:15,582.77877778 --> 00:05:27,932.77877778 So can you talk about that a little bit holding the space? What's interesting that we're recording this right after the celebration of the completion of 15 years of the training program. 49 00:05:28,222.77877778 --> 00:05:35,662.77877778 My business has been open since the 1980s, but 15 years ago, I started the certification to train others to do my work. 50 00:05:36,112.77877778 --> 00:05:37,942.77877778 And one of the things that. 51 00:05:38,237.77877778 --> 00:05:41,197.77877778 It just sort of evolved out of our big summit. 52 00:05:41,237.77877778 --> 00:05:48,167.77877778 This last weekend was we had this odd hour because one of the speakers got hurt by a horse and couldn't make it and stuff. 53 00:05:48,647.77877778 --> 00:05:50,757.77777778 And so I said, well, I'll answer questions. 54 00:05:50,757.77877778 --> 00:05:58,122.67877778 And instead, the microphone went around the arena to all different people, filling my heart with questions. 55 00:05:58,342.77877778 --> 00:06:07,922.77877778 Exactly what you just said their transformation, how I hold that space for such a big group of people and a herd and all of that. 56 00:06:08,552.77777778 --> 00:06:12,212.77777778 Part of it is my temperament, my innate. 57 00:06:12,852.77877778 --> 00:06:17,972.77877778 temperament that I was born with as a nurturer and a feeler and all of that. 58 00:06:18,492.77877778 --> 00:06:29,302.77877778 I think another part of it is that I believe that, a nonjudgmental loving environment is the most healing thing for anything in the world. 59 00:06:29,842.77777778 --> 00:06:39,782.77877778 And that I never sit in a position of judgment because who am I to judge another person? I want to listen and remain open and learn. 60 00:06:40,292.77877778 --> 00:06:44,822.77877778 And do I see people sometimes that That my brain says, well, that's just wrong. 61 00:06:45,92.77877778 --> 00:06:48,702.77877778 Yes, obviously we're human, right? That isn't a good way to be. 62 00:06:48,702.77877778 --> 00:06:49,692.77877778 That's just wrong. 63 00:06:50,52.77877778 --> 00:07:06,412.77877778 But my brain goes immediately, my Gestaltist in me goes immediately to, I wonder what happened to that person to cause them to frame that framework of anger or hatred or whatever it might be that they're dealing with in life. 64 00:07:07,22.77877778 --> 00:07:12,982.77877778 To me, they weren't born that way, you know, something it's, it's part of who we are. 65 00:07:12,982.77877778 --> 00:07:15,442.77877778 We don't say what's wrong with you. 66 00:07:15,702.77877778 --> 00:07:19,202.77877778 We say, what happened to you? You know, what happened to you share it with me. 67 00:07:19,202.77877778 --> 00:07:20,452.77877778 And let's take a look at it. 68 00:07:21,522.77877778 --> 00:07:23,432.77827778 There isn't any easy way to hold space. 69 00:07:23,432.77827778 --> 00:07:27,252.77877778 I also think I'm part horse horses hold space beautifully. 70 00:07:27,252.77877778 --> 00:07:31,882.77877778 And I think I've just, I've just become more and more like them over the years. 71 00:07:33,402.77877778 --> 00:07:40,997.77877778 Can you go into more about the horse? and how the horse's energetic field helps support this process. 72 00:07:42,282.77877778 --> 00:07:43,252.77877778 Absolutely. 73 00:07:43,272.77877778 --> 00:07:52,422.77777778 They, they by nature affiliate with each other through energy, right? They govern each other. 74 00:07:52,422.77877778 --> 00:07:53,812.77777778 They protect each other. 75 00:07:53,812.77877778 --> 00:07:55,252.77877778 They relate to each other. 76 00:07:55,602.77877778 --> 00:08:00,632.77777778 They have incredible awarenesses of their whole herd family at all times. 77 00:08:01,42.77877778 --> 00:08:26,647.77777778 You know, if you see a stallion out, say in the wild or with a herd, the stallion will always graze the ground All the way from his right hip back forward, then he turns his head all the way to the left back forward while he's eating, he's watching 360 degrees around himself to make sure the herd is okay and safe and watching for smoke and predators and all kinds of things. 78 00:08:27,217.77877778 --> 00:08:33,857.77877778 So I think they have this amazing natural ability because they're on the prey side instead of the predator side. 79 00:08:34,147.77877778 --> 00:08:44,127.77677778 They're on the prey side to always be looking for where they are safe, where they are understood, where they are appreciated, where they're not in danger. 80 00:08:44,897.77877778 --> 00:08:48,27.77777778 You know, my dogs, they'll chum to food any day of the week. 81 00:08:48,27.77777778 --> 00:08:50,927.77777778 I can train my dog to do almost anything if I have a treat. 82 00:08:51,702.77777778 --> 00:08:53,582.77777778 But horses, that's not their jam. 83 00:08:53,582.77777778 --> 00:08:59,442.77777778 Their jam is security and safety and presence and holding space and kindness. 84 00:08:59,482.77677778 --> 00:09:01,32.77777778 They're very much in the present moment. 85 00:09:01,812.77777778 --> 00:09:11,972.77677778 I know for a fact that they're not out in the pasture today wondering about what happened last weekend at this big event, right? Or what I might be thinking we're going to do tomorrow. 86 00:09:12,582.77777778 --> 00:09:27,82.77777778 They're right here right now, so they have an amazing ability to do that on top of that because they do work in that ultra sensitive frequency and vibration with people, they can take a reading if you will. 87 00:09:27,82.77777778 --> 00:09:39,482.77777778 So only word I found for it, they can take an instantaneous reading of the humans energies and the first thing they're looking for is, am I the horse safe in your energy field, you know, are you okay. 88 00:09:40,272.77777778 --> 00:09:50,952.77677778 If they feel like that's accurate, but maybe you're in pain or you're sad or you're having some sort of an emotion that they can assist you with, they want to do that. 89 00:09:51,282.77777778 --> 00:09:58,592.77777778 They really are eager to do an attunement, like in a, an upliftment of, of people all the way around. 90 00:09:59,272.77777778 --> 00:10:03,92.77777778 If it's a physical ailment, they're fascinated with that. 91 00:10:03,132.77777778 --> 00:10:07,702.77677778 And some of them will do whatever they can do to assist with that as well. 92 00:10:08,252.77777778 --> 00:10:19,492.77777778 The sentence I tend to use the most is they see that which is fractured within us and do everything they can to help it become whole, which is Gestalt again. 93 00:10:19,582.77777778 --> 00:10:21,72.77777778 They're kind of the natural Gestaltists. 94 00:10:22,72.77777778 --> 00:10:25,592.77777778 I'm wondering why they do that for us when we've been so horrible to them. 95 00:10:26,652.77777778 --> 00:10:28,132.77777778 Well, that's a good question. 96 00:10:28,802.77677778 --> 00:10:37,592.77677778 You know, yeah, in the millennia, you know, if we look in the millennia that horses have been with us, they have helped plow our fields. 97 00:10:37,592.77777778 --> 00:10:40,412.77777778 They've carried us to wars and they weren't their wars. 98 00:10:40,452.77777778 --> 00:10:41,332.77777778 They're not a warrior. 99 00:10:41,792.77777778 --> 00:10:44,522.77777778 But they carried us to wars, many human wars. 100 00:10:44,962.77777778 --> 00:10:47,182.77777778 They have you know, driven loads. 101 00:10:47,182.77777778 --> 00:10:48,412.77777778 They were transportation. 102 00:10:48,662.77777778 --> 00:10:51,312.77777778 They've just had so many different roles with us. 103 00:10:51,312.77777778 --> 00:10:53,462.77777778 It's absolutely mind blowing. 104 00:10:53,862.77677778 --> 00:10:55,32.77777778 But I do believe. 105 00:10:55,802.77777778 --> 00:10:58,982.77777778 Well, the role I'm not a person that's against riding. 106 00:10:58,982.77777778 --> 00:11:00,492.77777778 I love to trail ride. 107 00:11:00,842.77777778 --> 00:11:04,472.77777778 I also love in my trail riding to check in with the horse. 108 00:11:04,472.77777778 --> 00:11:05,932.77777778 They're my partner on that ride. 109 00:11:06,152.77777778 --> 00:11:10,782.77777778 Like, are you also having a good time? Are you ready to go back to the trailer? Because I might be. 110 00:11:11,22.77777778 --> 00:11:14,152.77677778 I think it's a, it's a partnership of respect. 111 00:11:14,662.77677778 --> 00:11:17,672.77677778 And I showed, like I said, for years and. 112 00:11:18,57.77777778 --> 00:11:22,487.77777778 And until ego and greed gets into showing it's a great thing to do. 113 00:11:22,487.77777778 --> 00:11:25,167.77777778 And there's just a lot of different things they do for us. 114 00:11:25,727.77777778 --> 00:11:47,377.77677778 But I do believe their prosperity with us right now, their real need and desire to prosper with us is in healing is in how can I help those small human animals who are always in their brain thinking, thinking, thinking, thinking all the time, full of anxiety, full of craziness. 115 00:11:47,737.77677778 --> 00:11:48,802.67777778 How can I, the horse. 116 00:11:49,102.77777778 --> 00:11:56,732.77777778 Help them calm down and be in the world, right? So I, I do think they pity us some days. 117 00:11:57,102.77777778 --> 00:11:58,902.77777778 I'm pretty convinced on that one. 118 00:12:00,112.77677778 --> 00:12:03,662.77677778 You can look at their eyes and see how wise they are. 119 00:12:03,662.77777778 --> 00:12:08,172.77677778 That's the one thing that always drew me to them. 120 00:12:08,232.77677778 --> 00:12:20,527.77777778 And honestly even drew me to this process with you was There had always been something with the way that I looked in their eyes and some people actually are fearful of that. 121 00:12:20,537.77777778 --> 00:12:21,717.77777778 Like it's deep. 122 00:12:22,97.77777778 --> 00:12:23,527.77777778 Don't look them in the eye. 123 00:12:23,537.77777778 --> 00:12:25,837.77677778 Yeah, you'll even hear a horse trainer saying that. 124 00:12:25,837.77777778 --> 00:12:28,27.77677778 Not me, but you hear some of them doing that. 125 00:12:28,597.77677778 --> 00:12:32,727.77777778 I, I, I really believe that they, well, I think. 126 00:12:33,162.77777778 --> 00:12:44,782.77777778 Animals in general that we can be the most egocentric animal because we think we're the top, you know, you'll hear human scientists and lecturers and people say, Oh, no, we're the top animal. 127 00:12:45,572.77777778 --> 00:12:52,472.77777778 And I think if you're talking about mathematics, we probably are, you know, quantitatively qualitative thinking. 128 00:12:52,552.77777778 --> 00:12:53,372.77777778 Absolutely. 129 00:12:53,612.77777778 --> 00:12:55,372.77777778 We can do comparisons. 130 00:12:55,612.77777778 --> 00:12:58,282.77777778 They don't, you know, do a comparison kind of thing. 131 00:12:58,282.77777778 --> 00:13:01,42.77677778 So we've got our area in which. 132 00:13:01,312.77777778 --> 00:13:02,712.77777778 We are the brilliant one. 133 00:13:03,282.77777778 --> 00:13:04,992.77777778 But time will tell. 134 00:13:05,62.77777778 --> 00:13:17,62.77777778 I think Jane Goodall, Jack Cousteau, myself, a lot of people are here to differ that there is any one animal that is at the top, ourselves included. 135 00:13:17,662.77677778 --> 00:13:21,237.77777778 And Certainly we're number one in damaging mother earth. 136 00:13:21,277.77777778 --> 00:13:39,432.77777778 We can we've got that to our credit But every animal species has its area that it's number one That's the way I feel I feel like my horses Are way smarter than me in some areas, they're much better athlete than humans are there. 137 00:13:39,532.77777778 --> 00:13:49,292.77777778 There's a lot of ways in which they're brighter than we are, but most humans do not see that they see where the top and all of their animals are beneath us. 138 00:13:49,932.77777778 --> 00:13:51,222.77777778 I don't hold it that way. 139 00:13:51,282.77777778 --> 00:13:52,912.77777778 I hold it that they have wisdom. 140 00:13:53,202.77777778 --> 00:13:55,582.77777778 We are only beginning to understand. 141 00:13:56,492.77777778 --> 00:14:08,442.77777778 We're only beginning to get it, right? I think that is also, well, it is your ego, like you said, and I think it even goes back to fear. 142 00:14:09,22.77777778 --> 00:14:17,692.77877778 We're fearful that they may know something, so we can't look them in the eye because then they can, right? I think so. 143 00:14:17,992.77877778 --> 00:14:23,312.77877778 And it's really all animals have, I think, better senses than we do in certain areas. 144 00:14:25,247.77777778 --> 00:14:28,327.77777778 Well, it's only recently that people have said, okay, there's an IQ. 145 00:14:29,182.77777778 --> 00:14:30,432.77777778 And there's an EQ. 146 00:14:30,442.77777778 --> 00:14:34,652.77777778 That's some kind of like, wow, we understand there's an emotional quotient good for us. 147 00:14:35,642.77777778 --> 00:14:42,722.77677778 There's so many other quotients of intelligence to be measured out there, and horses have a very unique one. 148 00:14:42,872.77677778 --> 00:14:47,442.77677778 And I think they're often able to see what we're doing to ourselves. 149 00:14:48,12.77777778 --> 00:14:57,2.77777778 And feel empathy and sadness that we are doing that to ourselves and do everything we can to say, please be here in this moment. 150 00:14:57,382.77777778 --> 00:15:02,972.77777778 I know when I've gone to the barn through the years, and if I'm distracted. 151 00:15:03,287.77777778 --> 00:15:06,37.77777778 By I don't know something going on in life. 152 00:15:06,97.77777778 --> 00:15:08,307.77777778 My daughter's illness, whatever it might be. 153 00:15:08,857.77777778 --> 00:15:11,367.77777778 I would not be fully present with them. 154 00:15:11,367.77777778 --> 00:15:14,977.77777778 They would always find a way to get me to be right there if they had to stand on my foot. 155 00:15:15,27.77777778 --> 00:15:28,717.77677778 Are you with me right now in this moment? Are you here? So that and one of the things that we love about being with horses is it almost commands and demands that we give our full attention to them and to being with them and to being there. 156 00:15:28,717.77677778 --> 00:15:30,247.77677778 It's hard to also yeah. 157 00:15:30,507.77777778 --> 00:15:32,437.77777778 think about other parts of life. 158 00:15:32,717.77777778 --> 00:15:34,47.77777778 So we leave refreshed. 159 00:15:34,77.77777778 --> 00:15:37,237.77777778 We leave the barn going, Oh, I love being with my horse. 160 00:15:37,287.77777778 --> 00:15:45,912.67777778 Part of it is it makes us, it forces us to check into the present moment in order to be successful with them, to do anything with them, really. 161 00:15:47,292.77777778 --> 00:16:03,392.77777778 Yeah, the present moment is truly when you get to heal and release and acknowledge all the things you didn't mention briefly about your daughter and I did want to touch on that because we all have a reason in life. 162 00:16:03,707.77877778 --> 00:16:11,657.77877778 Why we choose to want to share and heal and love and bring it out into the world. 163 00:16:11,657.77877778 --> 00:16:16,187.77777778 So, can you tell us a little bit about your story? Sure, sure. 164 00:16:16,207.77877778 --> 00:16:20,877.77777778 I have an absolutely beautiful son who's a professional athlete. 165 00:16:20,887.77877778 --> 00:16:23,127.77877778 He's a national champion mountain biker. 166 00:16:23,517.77877778 --> 00:16:26,447.77877778 And has a huge team that mountain bikes all around the world. 167 00:16:26,497.77877778 --> 00:16:29,657.77877778 He's on the USA cycling, you know, it's like a big, big deal. 168 00:16:30,327.77877778 --> 00:16:35,637.77877778 And eight and a half years after my son, Cody, I have my daughter, Molly. 169 00:16:36,57.77877778 --> 00:16:48,117.7787778 And Molly was born with a very rare disease that made her one of three in the world with it, where she was born without the ganglionic nerve cell to her intestinal track. 170 00:16:48,617.7777778 --> 00:16:51,727.7787778 And there is a disease related to it called Hirschsprung's. 171 00:16:52,57.7787778 --> 00:16:56,527.7787778 But she had it one of three people in the world with it as severely as she did. 172 00:16:57,7.7787778 --> 00:16:59,307.7787778 They didn't expect her to live at all. 173 00:16:59,637.7787778 --> 00:17:05,577.7787778 We did an intervention, which had never been done on infants before called Total Parental Nutrition. 174 00:17:05,577.7787778 --> 00:17:08,577.7787778 She was the first infant in the United States on that. 175 00:17:08,927.7777778 --> 00:17:10,227.7787778 And she made it. 176 00:17:10,237.7787778 --> 00:17:11,407.7787778 She wanted to be here. 177 00:17:11,932.7787778 --> 00:17:31,622.6787778 She went on for 24 years of remarkable life went on to get married and go to college and she went to Paris and I mean a lot of different things, but those 24 years there was never didn't have a severe surgery many, many trips to the ER. 178 00:17:31,702.7787778 --> 00:17:35,162.7787778 She had what's called a port in her body for 24 years. 179 00:17:35,472.7787778 --> 00:17:39,312.7787778 So, really tough medically very tough medically. 180 00:17:39,692.7787778 --> 00:17:41,152.7787778 And there was a mistake. 181 00:17:41,402.7787778 --> 00:17:51,602.7787778 at the UCLA transplant center that ultimately cost her her two transplanted organs, a an intestine and a kidney I had given her and cost her her life. 182 00:17:51,602.7787778 --> 00:18:01,802.7787778 So she spent 285 days at the end of her life in the Nebraska transplant center recovering from what UCLA had done and she ultimately died. 183 00:18:01,852.7787778 --> 00:18:15,252.7787778 From her birth, She was always my greatest teacher, my greatest spiritual teacher, my greatest patience teacher, because she kids that have that kind of chronic illness are tough or they wouldn't make it right. 184 00:18:15,262.7787778 --> 00:18:21,142.7787778 So she was always, always thinking, always a tough kid in a good way, strong kid. 185 00:18:21,562.7787778 --> 00:18:24,682.7777778 And yeah, our journey was unique and different. 186 00:18:25,82.7777778 --> 00:18:26,312.7777778 I have no regrets. 187 00:18:26,332.7777778 --> 00:18:29,2.7777778 It couldn't have gone any differently than it did. 188 00:18:29,632.7777778 --> 00:18:38,592.7777778 And people even asked her toward the end of her life, you know, if you could have, if you could have done it all again and be born healthy, of course you would want that. 189 00:18:38,592.7777778 --> 00:18:40,382.7777778 And she said, no, I wouldn't want that. 190 00:18:40,872.7777778 --> 00:18:47,812.7777778 I've had this journey, this particular journey and met the people that we met and had the experiences that we had. 191 00:18:48,342.7777778 --> 00:18:50,162.7777778 Because of my circumstance. 192 00:18:50,182.7777778 --> 00:18:53,522.7777778 So she never had any regrets right to her last breath. 193 00:18:53,522.7777778 --> 00:18:54,552.7777778 She never had a regret. 194 00:18:54,932.7777778 --> 00:18:56,122.7777778 She wanted to stay. 195 00:18:56,192.7777778 --> 00:18:57,62.7777778 That's for sure. 196 00:18:57,812.7777778 --> 00:18:59,32.7777778 Definitely wanted to stay. 197 00:19:00,52.7777778 --> 00:19:18,992.7777778 And how do you feel like you learned and grew through that experience that was given to you with her? Well, I guess part of it is we really don't know what we're made of until we're facing something that involves our greatest fear. 198 00:19:19,2.7767778 --> 00:19:24,202.7777778 So before she was born I would have told you my greatest fear was losing a child. 199 00:19:24,272.7777778 --> 00:19:32,142.7777778 That, bar none, that was, I'm a big mama and that was like, Ooh, I don't know how mothers make it through the loss of children. 200 00:19:32,802.7777778 --> 00:19:36,402.7777778 Through her, we came to the cutting knife edge. 201 00:19:36,927.7777778 --> 00:19:45,217.7777778 Of her death many, many, many, many times, like I had dress rehearsals for 24 years, which were all hard to do. 202 00:19:45,697.7777778 --> 00:19:51,557.7777778 And if already to know, I didn't waste any time worrying. 203 00:19:51,837.7777778 --> 00:19:58,797.7777778 It's one of the things she really taught me was that worry is the most unproductive way we can spend our life force. 204 00:19:59,147.7777778 --> 00:20:00,657.7777778 It doesn't change anything. 205 00:20:00,667.7777778 --> 00:20:01,987.7777778 It doesn't help anything. 206 00:20:02,987.7777778 --> 00:20:08,867.7777778 Any worrying I'm fairly fearless because I faced my greatest fear. 207 00:20:09,337.7777778 --> 00:20:19,977.7777778 I learned a lot about what it means to courageously show up when others are in pain, or I'm always the person that goes to somebody's death bed. 208 00:20:21,137.7777778 --> 00:20:24,607.7777778 Cause man, we got to show up. 209 00:20:24,657.7777778 --> 00:20:28,767.7777778 And sometimes people say, I don't know what, what to say, I don't know what to do. 210 00:20:29,57.7777778 --> 00:20:30,477.7767778 I don't know how to be there. 211 00:20:30,477.7777778 --> 00:20:31,787.7777778 So I just won't go. 212 00:20:32,27.7767778 --> 00:20:38,837.7777778 And that's such a mistake when people are in pain or grief, they don't need advice, but they need us to show up and needs to be there. 213 00:20:39,317.7777778 --> 00:20:42,487.7767778 And so, gosh, lots and lots of different lessons like that. 214 00:20:42,867.7767778 --> 00:20:50,497.7767778 And lots of soul lessons, you know, I believe her soul and mind danced this dance of her life. 215 00:20:51,497.7767778 --> 00:20:55,997.7767778 And when she left now it's mine to carry on my life purpose and accidents. 216 00:20:56,447.7767778 --> 00:20:58,687.7767778 So she chose me, I chose her. 217 00:20:59,687.7767778 --> 00:21:06,537.7777778 Can we touch a bit on, you said you started about 15 years ago and this... 218 00:21:08,267.7777778 --> 00:21:20,577.7767778 Yes, this energy with equine gestalt and talking about how horses and their chakras and all of that 15 years ago, that was not talked about. 219 00:21:21,37.7777778 --> 00:21:26,917.7777778 I actually started that a good 12 years before I did that. 220 00:21:26,917.7777778 --> 00:21:29,197.7777778 I was in the late 1990s. 221 00:21:29,197.7777778 --> 00:21:42,247.7777778 Yeah, no girl, the program officially started in 2008 when people said, could you train me to do what you do? And I wasn't sure I could, but I have 278 certified practitioners worldwide. 222 00:21:43,32.7777778 --> 00:21:57,612.7767778 Before that though, so gosh, 2008, so it would have been probably in 98 or so I was at equine affair and equine extravaganza and all the big expo's speaking about horses and chakras and their desire to heal. 223 00:21:57,612.8767778 --> 00:22:12,347.7777778 What was the reaction from everybody and how did you intuitively know? In your gut that you knew this and this is something that you're bringing out. 224 00:22:12,357.7777778 --> 00:22:14,967.7777778 Eventually some of they would catch, we would catch up to you. 225 00:22:15,87.7777778 --> 00:22:15,877.7777778 Oh yeah. 226 00:22:15,877.7777778 --> 00:22:16,157.7777778 Yeah. 227 00:22:16,157.7777778 --> 00:22:17,307.7777778 Everybody's on it now. 228 00:22:17,307.7777778 --> 00:22:18,47.7777778 They're all claiming. 229 00:22:19,247.7777778 --> 00:22:25,147.7767778 No, I think like in 98, 99, that basically the horses have proven it to me. 230 00:22:25,147.7767778 --> 00:22:28,707.7777778 I had already been doing my method for at least a decade at that point. 231 00:22:29,147.7777778 --> 00:22:33,677.7777778 And I'd already had many, many, many clients that were transformed and changed. 232 00:22:33,677.7777778 --> 00:22:36,427.7777778 And so I witnessed what they were doing enough. 233 00:22:36,797.7777778 --> 00:22:38,447.7777778 And I felt like I. 234 00:22:38,892.7777778 --> 00:22:41,312.7777778 really wanted to share this with people. 235 00:22:41,312.7777778 --> 00:22:46,152.7777778 I really wanted horsemen, no matter how they were partnering with their horses. 236 00:22:46,422.7777778 --> 00:22:57,812.7777778 I felt like you need to understand these incredible animals are clairsentient and they're taking a reading and they're doing a lot more with their body energy and they're reading your body energy a lot more. 237 00:22:57,952.7767778 --> 00:23:00,82.7777778 So I felt called to say all that. 238 00:23:00,742.7777778 --> 00:23:09,382.7777778 The first expo, some of these expos get at that time, like 60, 000 people They're big, big expos. 239 00:23:09,892.7777778 --> 00:23:14,892.7777778 And I would offer to speak, they wanted me to speak, and I'd offer to speak on a few traditional things. 240 00:23:14,942.7777778 --> 00:23:38,612.7767778 And then they'd say, could I also do a demonstration on horses and chakras? And they'd go, horses in what? Horses in their energy fields? I guess so, right? And they would stick me this is the truth, in some little arena behind where the horse trailers were being sold at the far end of the expo, right? Where people had to really hunt me down. 241 00:23:38,622.7777778 --> 00:23:40,232.7777778 They had to want to be there. 242 00:23:40,772.7767778 --> 00:23:42,272.7777778 So I would do my thing. 243 00:23:43,47.7777778 --> 00:23:52,517.7777778 And there were sometimes people who got got up and said, I don't get it and walked off and I just had to not let that bother me and keep going. 244 00:23:52,927.7777778 --> 00:23:55,237.7777778 But there were more and more people. 245 00:23:55,617.7777778 --> 00:23:59,787.7777778 Each year they started, started kind of moving me a little bit more toward the mainstream. 246 00:23:59,787.7777778 --> 00:24:04,827.7777778 I got a little better placement, you know, each year because people who went said, I want to hear her. 247 00:24:05,107.7777778 --> 00:24:05,977.7772778 I want to see her. 248 00:24:05,977.7772778 --> 00:24:07,397.7777778 Don't stick her out in the boons. 249 00:24:07,757.7777778 --> 00:24:08,577.7767778 We want to see her. 250 00:24:09,37.7777778 --> 00:24:13,22.7777778 And I had more and more people who said, I've wondered about this. 251 00:24:13,332.7777778 --> 00:24:14,722.7777778 I'm curious about this. 252 00:24:14,722.7777778 --> 00:24:25,22.7767778 How do I learn more about this? And it just started taking off about five or six years after I was publicly saying horses live in the moment. 253 00:24:25,72.7767778 --> 00:24:32,282.7777778 And, you know, a number of the key things that I was saying about energy fields and horses, I would go listen to some trainer. 254 00:24:32,697.7777778 --> 00:24:35,817.7777778 And the trainer would say, you know, horses live in the moment. 255 00:24:35,817.7777778 --> 00:24:39,307.7777778 And he had come over to listen to me a few times and then thought, well, that's pretty true. 256 00:24:39,387.7777778 --> 00:24:40,627.7777778 I'm going to put that in mind too. 257 00:24:41,67.7767778 --> 00:24:47,127.7777778 So, and then more and more people started kind of boom, you know, copying it and taking it out. 258 00:24:47,537.7777778 --> 00:24:49,17.7777778 But it was interesting in the beginning. 259 00:24:49,77.7767778 --> 00:24:50,957.7777778 I will say that it was interesting. 260 00:24:52,912.7777778 --> 00:25:00,852.7777778 Would you mind sharing with us, you mentioned horsemen, and I just want to say, I'm not a horseman, so this is also for people that are not horsemen. 261 00:25:01,32.7777778 --> 00:25:05,292.7767778 I will be, but coming into this, I was not. 262 00:25:06,212.7777778 --> 00:25:14,727.7777778 Could you say a little bit about the program, who it's for? When the next opening is how to get in touch with you. 263 00:25:14,727.7777778 --> 00:25:23,487.7777778 I will have all your information in the show notes, but just so that you can say and spread the word on who is for the invitation for those that are kind of asking. 264 00:25:23,517.7777778 --> 00:25:26,877.7777778 Oh, I wonder if this could be for me or if this feels like I'm interested. 265 00:25:26,877.7777778 --> 00:25:29,977.7767778 How could I get information? Thank you for asking that. 266 00:25:30,407.7767778 --> 00:25:31,47.7767778 So. 267 00:25:31,562.7777778 --> 00:25:55,382.7777778 I am looking for people, not that know everything, I'm looking for the person that says, I want to make a sincere difference in the world, in people's lives, I want to learn how to professionally sit in the presence of pain, and be able to make a difference for the person, not just be a good listener, but way beyond that actually transform them and help them drop their pain in the sand. 268 00:25:55,382.8777778 --> 00:26:00,572.7767778 And most of our students are people who say, I could do that. 269 00:26:01,32.7777778 --> 00:26:02,422.7777778 Alongside a horse. 270 00:26:02,737.7777778 --> 00:26:03,777.7777778 Boy, I'd be happy. 271 00:26:03,967.7777778 --> 00:26:12,537.7777778 That was my business working with my horses in that way and understanding what they're all about and what they're showing us and how to do that. 272 00:26:12,577.7767778 --> 00:26:13,647.7777778 I'd be really happy. 273 00:26:14,57.7777778 --> 00:26:20,417.7767778 So we have a few people who are already in the mental health field that join us, psychotherapists, et cetera. 274 00:26:20,687.7777778 --> 00:26:24,787.7777778 The majority do not have any mental health training on board at all. 275 00:26:25,7.7777778 --> 00:26:27,477.7777778 What they have is a huge heart and a desire. 276 00:26:27,777.7777778 --> 00:26:29,277.7777778 They just know they want to do. 277 00:26:30,277.7777778 --> 00:26:32,217.7777778 Some of our students are horsemen. 278 00:26:32,227.7777778 --> 00:26:37,357.7777778 They're trainers, and they really understand horses, but they learn horses in a really different way from me. 279 00:26:37,357.7777778 --> 00:26:41,207.7777778 Most of them go home and apologize to the horse after the first in meeting. 280 00:26:41,767.7777778 --> 00:26:43,97.7777778 But it's certainly not required. 281 00:26:43,127.7767778 --> 00:26:48,757.6777778 They don't have to have a horse, a farm, or anything else in order to come into the program and learn all that we teach them. 282 00:26:49,167.7777778 --> 00:26:52,597.7777778 Some people have never been successful in business for themselves. 283 00:26:52,597.7777778 --> 00:26:56,297.7777778 We teach all the business entrepreneurship and how to get started in it. 284 00:26:56,657.7777778 --> 00:26:59,907.7777778 That's why it's a two year program because it's so comprehensive. 285 00:26:59,937.7767778 --> 00:27:00,937.7777778 There's so much in it. 286 00:27:01,337.7777778 --> 00:27:05,607.7777778 Our next class starts January 8th of 2024. 287 00:27:05,887.7767778 --> 00:27:08,217.7767778 We are taking contracts now. 288 00:27:08,627.7777778 --> 00:27:19,197.7777778 And we're doing webinars about once a month, giving a lot of information about it, but the easiest way is to go to our website, touched by a horse. 289 00:27:19,507.7777778 --> 00:27:19,997.7777778 com. 290 00:27:20,407.7777778 --> 00:27:20,747.7777778 We got the. 291 00:27:21,752.7777778 --> 00:27:25,842.7777778 Of my company from an old CBS show touched by an angel, the horses are my angel. 292 00:27:25,842.7777778 --> 00:27:27,382.7777778 So it's touched by a horse. 293 00:27:27,602.7777778 --> 00:27:35,682.7777778 com and on there, it'll tell you how you can get an application, how you can get a handbook, you know, how you can meet me, all of it. 294 00:27:35,692.7777778 --> 00:27:37,732.7767778 So you can do all of it through our website. 295 00:27:38,932.7777778 --> 00:27:39,552.7777778 Thank you. 296 00:27:40,112.7767778 --> 00:27:40,332.7767778 Yeah. 297 00:27:40,332.7777778 --> 00:27:47,312.7777778 I want to share to everybody that if you choose to reach out and if you choose to dive into this. 298 00:27:47,917.7777778 --> 00:27:50,397.7777778 it will change your life. 299 00:27:50,487.7777778 --> 00:28:01,477.7767778 I really thought I had done a lot of my work and I didn't go into the anger aspect which I want to thank you so much because I fully did not realize I was angry. 300 00:28:01,577.7777778 --> 00:28:12,797.7777778 I believed that I had that I was okay and now I realized it was all of my all of my things I had in place to keep my anger at bay, but it wasn't released. 301 00:28:13,597.7767778 --> 00:28:22,887.7777778 And I appreciate you so much in supporting me and actually letting that anger out and releasing the voice. 302 00:28:23,237.7777778 --> 00:28:26,787.7777778 So it is nothing like you'll ever experience. 303 00:28:27,387.7777778 --> 00:28:36,477.7777778 It's nothing like you'll ever experience and to be able to hold that space for people really creates a huge shift in their lives. 304 00:28:36,627.7777778 --> 00:28:39,37.7777778 The people that they're with humanity as a whole. 305 00:28:39,57.7777778 --> 00:28:41,767.7777778 So if you're wanting to help the collective, this is a huge way. 306 00:28:42,317.7767778 --> 00:28:47,777.7767778 So Even if you're just kind of like, Oh, I like courses or, Oh, this kind of sounds interesting. 307 00:28:47,837.7767778 --> 00:28:49,37.7767778 Just go check it out. 308 00:28:49,427.7767778 --> 00:28:59,907.7777778 Look up the website, watch whatever's on there, connect with Melissa if you can, and they can also find a practitioner near them if they're interested in that there's a find a practitioner. 309 00:28:59,907.7777778 --> 00:29:07,237.7777778 We have graduates and certified practitioners all over the country so they can find somebody to go get a session and see how it works for them. 310 00:29:08,447.7777778 --> 00:29:10,917.7777778 That'll be me in two years and a year and a half. 311 00:29:12,137.7777778 --> 00:29:12,837.7777778 That's right. 312 00:29:12,867.7777778 --> 00:29:13,687.7777778 That's right. 313 00:29:14,47.7777778 --> 00:29:14,507.7777778 Awesome. 314 00:29:14,687.7777778 --> 00:29:17,107.7777778 Well, I appreciate you and I thank you for your time. 315 00:29:17,107.7777778 --> 00:29:18,47.7777778 I know you've been very busy. 316 00:29:18,147.7777778 --> 00:29:19,427.7777778 A lot of things going on. 317 00:29:19,787.7777778 --> 00:29:26,37.7757778 Is there anything else that you want to share before we close? Thank you very much for everything. 318 00:29:27,157.7757778 --> 00:29:27,957.7757778 Appreciate you. 319 00:29:28,357.7767778 --> 00:29:29,419.5517778 Thank you so much. 320 00:29:31,319.5517778 --> 00:29:42,199.5507778 My hope is that you walked away with something today that has opened your mind, your heart, or both listening to new perspectives, not only help you grow and expand, but it helps humanity as a whole. 321 00:29:42,649.5517778 --> 00:29:47,729.5517778 So if you have someone that you feel would benefit from this podcast and you feel that you want to share. 322 00:29:48,59.5517778 --> 00:29:48,829.5517778 Please do. 323 00:29:49,189.5517778 --> 00:29:51,999.5517778 Also would love to connect with you on Instagram. 324 00:29:52,129.5517778 --> 00:29:54,469.5517778 So please follow me at Miranda J. 325 00:29:54,469.5517778 --> 00:29:54,919.5517778 Mitchell. 326 00:29:55,339.5517778 --> 00:30:02,629.5517778 One last thing, if this episode left you with any ahas and insights, take 30 seconds of your time and leave a review on Apple Podcasts. 327 00:30:03,269.5517778 --> 00:30:06,859.5517778 This is the only way I know you are loving the content and connection in this space. 328 00:30:08,49.5517778 --> 00:30:13,949.5517778 And if you want to know more or wondering how we can work together, please go to Miranda Mitchell. 329 00:30:14,189.5517778 --> 00:30:14,579.5517778 com. 330 00:30:14,839.5517778 --> 00:30:17,59.5517778 Click on the contact in the menu and send me a message. 331 00:30:17,774.5517778 --> 00:30:18,764.5517778 Sending you all love. 332 00:30:19,44.5517778 --> 00:30:19,754.5517778 Till next time.
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