February 9, 2023 • 32 mins
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In this episode we talk to experienced author, PD facilitator, principal consultant, Kylie Captain, about the launch of her newest book, master class and consulting adventures.
Kylie Captain is author of: "Be that teacher who makes a difference and leader Aboriginal Education for all students", "Dream Big and Imagine What if...".
Kylie also delivers PD, master classes online and consulting services around Australia- most importantly in remotes.
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So looking forward to welcoming Kylie Captain from Dream Big Education, Wellbeing and Consulting. Welcome Kylie.
Yeah, my good morning. Thank you so much for having me. I'm extremely grateful to be here yawning with you and to everyone that's listening today.
Before we begin, I would like to acknowledge the traditional custodians on the land I meet today, which is the Bungalung people of Northern Rivers, New South Wales.
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I too would like to acknowledge country today. I am dialing in from beautiful, Darryl country in southwest Sydney as a proud Gimilaroy woman.
I acknowledge the lands and which everyone is meeting from today. I acknowledge my old people, my ancestors and can in just thank them, you know, for their continuous guidance and protection and for allowing all of us to live and work and play and dream and teach on these beautiful land.
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So thank you so much for having me.
A pleasure. I would like to start by raving about your newest work. I took it on thinking, I wonder if it will have things that are relevant given that we work in perhaps different contexts.
I thought, oh, this might be for people who don't perhaps work in mainstream and don't work in our context. And then I started reading it.
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I'm like, oh, this is a good bit. This is something that even I didn't know after some years working. I took so much from it and I know that many, many staff in remote schools will also take so much from this.
So that's be that teacher who makes a difference and lead Aboriginal education for all students. But Kylie, that's not the only work that you've done.
Would you like to share with us the breadth of your author work and then we'll chat consulting?
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Absolutely. So yeah, look, thank you. I kind of still get goosebumps and feel so when I hear people talk about the book, you know, it's it is pretty amazing.
Yeah, the recent book obviously that's co-authored with my teacher, the one who made a difference for me at a really critical time in my life.
You know, she told me that I was smart and deadly. She really saw me when I walked through those school gates. So as you just said, yeah, that one is called Be That Teacher who makes a difference and lead Aboriginal education for all students.
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So that isn't my first book. So this one was just launched in December 2022, rewind 12 months prior to that. I actually launched my very first book and that one's titled Dream Big and Imagine the Wodif.
And that one's now next on my to read list. I've been through your other one. I'm excited.
That's it. And I mean, look, I didn't see myself as a writer. I really am a storyteller. I really wanted to keep my own. I can write academically.
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I did really well at university and for the last 13 years, I've worked in education, leading the improvement journey of many schools and working really closely with principles and directors.
But in this, I guess my authoring style of writing, I just want to tell you, you know, I use my Aboriginal English. I just want to like sit down, have an accompany and a need or a high.
And that's actually really well known Aboriginal author. She reviewed my book and said just that it's just like sitting down, having a cup or and having a yarn. And that's how I tell my stories. But both books actually are now Amazon International Best Seller.
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So the first one made best seller. And then we pop this one up just probably a few weeks ago and it just went off on Amazon as well. And there are educators right across the country and abroad that are just reading it and loving it.
And even now many are going back once they're reading this one reading my first book. And that first book is a little bit of, you know, it's a tea joker for some as well, you know, it talks about my story of overcoming tremendous grief and adversity.
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But then it's about the power of education itself help book. It's an educational book about our history. You know, it's, you know, my mob grew up, while both my mums, my Daniel War past really did it tough, you know, from the past policies that have impacted on Aboriginal people right across this country.
And I wanted to really express that so I've kind of done it all. I still have a few more books. I want to write about, you know, I need to get the children's book down. I need to do one for teens. Now I'm thinking, what else will I do? So yeah, they're consulting that mind my new business basically is launching this year 2023. And I've just stepped away from my full time job to actually just follow the signs.
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And I'm just going to add in the ward if in this new little journey and be able to support many. So I'm just going to show up, you know, hopefully making a difference for whoever it is that I come into contact with.
I'm excited by the breadth of your work as well, because as remote teachers, it's sometimes hard to number one, access professional development, but find the right books that are going to give you that juicy hands on stuff that you can walk away with straight away. And your book I found to be that and it had the reflection part at the end of each chapter.
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So it's really supporting that change in thinking for remote teachers. You've said that lots of schools have bought the book and now you're interested in going to work with schools.
Do you want to talk a little bit about your consulting work and how you envision that to work for perhaps remote schools?
Absolutely. So I've kind of so, yeah, so there's many, many schools like even last week and over the last few weeks we've been getting orders for like principles of buying them for every teacher in this school.
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And what, you know, after reading themselves, you know, really feeling that this will help their journey. And I think the important thing is is that I really feel after working, you know, for the last 20 or 20 years, I've worked in Aboriginal identified positions.
I've taught in a primary school and most recently probably for about the last six or seven years, I've, I've pretty much been like a consultant working for the department of education, but really supporting in that professional learning space.
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And as well as that work, I'm the president of the Aboriginal Studies Association. I've led lots of professional learning, you know, for these things that I kind of talk about in my book.
I decided to step away from that role to allow me to bridge further out of my, my, my network that I support. So previously I would support for the imprimsable networks across southwest Sydney.
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And then I'm getting lots of requests. You know, can you come out to Menendique? Can you come to, you know, lots of different places around the country and my answer has always been no.
And I always just, I'm someone that really listens deeply to my gut to my intuition. And I just had this little nudge just going to say yes, just say yes.
And I want to do a lot of work. So my, my business, obviously, it's, you know, I was thinking of calling it an Aboriginal name, but I thought, no, I went to an awards ceremony towards the end of last year.
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And they have these amazing businesses there, but I didn't really know what they did. So I thought I'm just going to tell people what I did in my business name.
So it is dream big. Everyone knows me for dream big. I've been going on about dreaming big for as long as I can remember, but it's your education. So that's basically my teacher professional learning.
So I guess in regards to remote teachers accessing the work that I can do. So at the moment, so I mentioned Dr. Kathy Burgess. She's actually an associate professor at the University of Sydney.
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She leads the masters in Aboriginal education, Aboriginal educational leadership course. Her and I are president and vice president of the Aboriginal Studies Association.
So we do a lot of work with Sydney University and the Aboriginal Studies Association. We've actually just launched our very first master class, or we've just, yeah, promoted it based on the themes of our book.
So that's going to be online. We're just going to test it out. We want to, we're going to get feedback to see how it works. We're in the process of getting it nester accredited for five hours.
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So we're not sure whether the accreditation will come through because the first session is actually booked for the ninth of March.
So it's going to be a three hour session from 12 30 to 330. Then it's kind of we give you tools and some takeaway and hopefully inspire everyone to go off and to do some deadly work.
We really want to give them some really rich and juicy concrete things, you know, that they could actually take away and start doing.
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And then it's a bit of a quarter action, you know, these days we don't just come along to participate in professional learning and then do nothing with it.
It's like, you know, let's let's just all join this journey of change and do something with it.
Then we come back together, which is kind of like a bit of a celebration.
You know, we get to connect with like minded people across many different, you know, so I'm not limited now just to public education. I can work with Catholics independence.
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Basically, whoever wants to join us. So that one is advertised at the moment. It's on event bright. The link is on my website, which is just Kylie captain dot com.
And you there's a special at the moment for the next I think until the 17th of February. So with a promo code deadly and you get 10% off. So if anyone wants to join that one.
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But I guess that would be one that we potentially run maybe once a term together.
Kathy still works full time for the university. I'm now deadly business woman, do my own thing as well. So obviously I'm available and free.
I guess my vision for the businesses that I would love to be able to travel my kids now and those that go on a read my book, you read my journey. I do have two beautiful kids to this July at 23 and 19.
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I kind of believe that but I'm I've got the freedom to travel. I my dream is to be going out to be working with remote schools either by zoom. Hopefully maybe go and out and visiting some who knows.
I'm open for that as well as you know in delivering professional learning around the culture or when it's around creating culturally safe learning environments around curriculum, whatever it might be.
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I'm really happy to co design, but as well as working with teachers and educators. I also want to work with students. I'm really passionate about working with young people. And when I work with young people, I talk about dreaming big about aspirations. I educate them about Aboriginal histories and cultures and pride in identity and.
I'm highlighting the many different amazing role models that are out there as well. You know growing up I heard about the athletes, the artists and the musicians and I was none of those and I thought what type of Aboriginal person am I don't fit into any of those categories and there's a few things that I aren't about in my book and a couple of little moments that changed my life and one of them was.
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At a really critical moment actually where Kathy was involved and a few others, they sent me to do my work experience at the Department of Aboriginal Affairs in the city and people like Linda Bernie, Gary Ella are all these deadly Aboriginal people are in there and it changed my life, you know, at this point, I was only going to school two to three times a week, heading down a really negative path hanging on for D life.
But I went home to my mum who's now passed sadly and I was like, ma, there's only a deadly black hole in the city doing these amazing job and you know that was just one little critical thing but so our kids need to see what they're inspired to be and we are more than what the media portrays us to be we are the authors where the educators were the storytellers were the business owners were the whatever it is, you know, the trade is there's lots of different ways to success and so that's the education component student and teacher programs.
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So I can also envision you supporting and empowering Aboriginal education officers and First Nation staff as well, yeah absolutely so when I first came into the department 30 years ago, I was an Aboriginal student liaison officer dealing with, you know, non attendance and a lot, a lot of kind of welfare issues and before I came over to that role, I worked in Brian a future so back then it was docs but working to support our families before you know things got worse so just putting all those little things into place so.
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I, my dream, I guess when I first came into this role, we did it all, we would support our as-lows, our AEOs, everyone and students and then the job kind of changed and kind of those, I guess responsibilities kind of you know we're taking out of my role description so now I just want to yeah I'm available to support them to empower them and the consulting stuff is basically just whatever it is, you know, I am i'm going to be working with some other national companies.
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Around you know whether it's just cultural awareness training, which is really important, you know, for everyone to understand working on rap, facilitating for other people so there's a lot that I really want to do.
One thing as well I want to mention is because I've gone down the authoring journey as well and one, one dream of mine that I will work on this year is to help students become authors as well so I'm working with a company around not just for Aboriginal students but for all students I see myself.
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We're looking at maybe having two streams so I always thought writing a book was really, you know, for these really smart people that were just born from authors and all the rest of it, you know, but I'm like chapter, chapter one in my book is called We All Have A Story and I want to empower everyone to write their story, particularly I young people but using their home languages or whether it's Aboriginal English, their own language that they speak.
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And really focusing on writing for purpose I really love literacy I love writing and I want everyone to see the purpose in it and that's what I do as a as a teacher so I'm I'd love to yeah I'm kind of i'm open so I'm basically steps away from my role i've got these ideas that I want to do but at the same time I am open for whatever it is that my old people in the universe has installed for me.
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Everyone who's listening jump on Kylie's website by the book but also reach out and and touch base around what you can deliver from teachers to Aboriginal educational officers to students that you've got this this consulting work that leads you everywhere it's exciting but but now we get back down to remote our back teachers do you have any top tips that they need to think about straight away.
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Well, I think that it's just about I think wherever they are so wherever everyone is right now in their life just knowing that you're there for a reason I think we're all on a journey we all have a purpose and for some reason you've all landed in these incredible jobs everyone deserves good teachers everyone deserves an education and thankfully are the people that are out there in these remote communities teaching they're really really special people so number one just taking a deep breath and you know it's probably really scary particularly.
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You know it's probably really scary particularly if you're just starting out you know but just know that you are being guided that you're there for a reason in their lives to change so I always believe that teaching is the most important job in the world so just number one but importantly really taking care of themselves as well you know I think a lot of our teachers a lot of our new newbies coming through and I guess the pressures of teaching and data and getting those outcomes and results our poor people are really.
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And that comes in results our poor teachers get getting burnt out you know and I think that purpose in their passion starts to dwindle away sometimes I'm another there's still many many passionate teachers that are going you know 2030 years in but for a lot particularly with COVID and the pressures so I just think that making sure that you look after yourselves focus on you know teacher wellbeing looking after yourself first you can't be there's deadly and amazing teachers and change lives and do this incredible work if you don't get to.
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If you don't yet look after yourself first time to see what you wrote in your book as well so you had the importance of wellbeing but you also had that section about the reasons people don't implement Aboriginal perspectives and that fear so I can picture new teachers going into remote communities and they're like oh I don't know I don't want to step on toes I don't know how to find my way and then on top of all that doing the normal teaching which is hard and burn out and all that kind of stuff so your book covers that but I can.
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Understand. Knowing that the fear is normal that you're not alone like it will be quite scary as well particularly you know and I remember when I initially I was always going to be a history and Aboriginal studies teacher and I switched last minute actually and went into a primary degree because I had some friends that were doing it and I pretty much made the decision and and but and I was terrified you know to go in and teach things like art which you know and I thought how am I ever going to teach primers go I'm the worst artist in the world
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but you know and I was terrified there was certain things you know we didn't and I think particularly teachers are expected to know it all but just know that that fear is normal really understand that there's a there's a massive connection of people out there as well and I'll also say to particularly around Aboriginal education you know just be willing to learn re learn or unlearn what you already know and there's amazing resources out there.
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I'll also just mention as well that you know I am the president of the Aboriginal studies association we support Aboriginal studies teachers but we're kind of branching out we're not just around the subject anymore we're just around Aboriginal education in general.
So Richard we can start to touch in with you on that Facebook group as well can they absolutely yeah so anyone can join that Facebook group Aboriginal studies association we put up a lot of appeal you know as well sometimes throughout the year there's a leadership course at the end of the year and so that's an important thing.
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So that's another avenue but just you know reading inspirational text I think you know I and I do it all the time you know sometimes out we're so passionate but you know we kind of lose a bit of focus but I really love you know reading like Stan Grant's got a beautiful book you know talking to my country there's a lot of incredible resources out there.
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So I think this is the first teachers federations got beautiful library for those that are teachers federations Sydney University has a Aboriginal studies resource tab as well that's got incredible links just to support so many teachers so I guess for our master class we will be giving lots of rich information as well and and where to go but I just think be brave you know and I reflect on our nadok themes and reconciliation themes from for last from last year.
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So I think we can just be brave and make change don't be afraid to ask questions if you're going into a new community don't feel like you need to know it all build relationships you know have yarns make yourself visible you know go down to the sporting fields go and you know those little things make a difference and if you try to build relationships you know with your families or communities sometimes just step outside those school gates because particularly for our Aboriginal families.
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Schools haven't always been welcoming places my mum wasn't even allowed to go to school from the age of 11 up in Walgreens and she never ever loved stepping into my to my school she never would never come.
So just I think relationships being brave have any yarn whether they're Aboriginal sometimes out you know people don't like to speak to you know might be a director or a principal or you know just that uncomfortable but knowing that we're all human we're all here to go on this journey together.
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So there's there's so much and I I talked far too much I can probably city.
No I'm sure people are loving exactly what you say but your story about your mum highlights also the recent living history of trauma so sometimes people will brush things aside and say that it was long ago in the past or or move on or it's not the lived experience of our young people now but it is the lived experience in living memory these policies and there's research that shows they say that it takes about six generations.
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To wipe out this intergenerational trauma even if you weren't directly affected so I was born into listening to the stories of my mum who lived on the banks of the Nama River in a little tin shack.
Back then Walgreens such a racist place time time in the world she loved go to school but my mum so my birth mum passed away when I was three my mum who raised me was quite dark as well you know they were sisters but she was told she wasn't allowed to go to school so she was out working for white families on cattle stations while
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some of her cousins went to school she pretty much taught herself to read and write and you know she just always thought that all white people were terrible you know it's just yeah I guess it's not it wasn't that long ago so I was born into my both of my kids see opportunity to know my mum as well before she passed away so they heard the stories you know and I guess they reckon it takes about six generations you know so I love in your book you talk about strengths based approaches and into general sure strength and I think young people are hearing these stories.
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But also they're hearing the power of their grandmothers who overcame you know worked through it and raised young people and lived on country like yeah yeah yeah and I mean we've just come off the back of you know the 26th of January which was a very every single year oh my god it just I think it's just getting worse you know the racism and the things that we hear it's honestly like I was just so culturally and spiritually fatigued you know I did go into your but my daughter was dancing and our biggest festival here in Sydney
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standing strong you know with my nieces and my nephew in their culture performing singing dancing it was amazing but it is tough it's really really tough where we feel like we're having the same youngs year after year always defending but yeah look the best.
And this year as well with the big vote that's coming up I think everyone feels like they've got a right to have an opinion coming from a place of knowledge and understanding and getting out our facts right this will be a tough year for a lot of people.
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It definitely will but you know fingers crossed I mean I'm always really positive that things will improve I'm nearly 42 in my lifetime I want to see a massive change you know I want to see this intergenerational trauma stop it and I really want to I mean you know it's not going to stop overnight but like you said in my book as well I talk about the intergenerational strength and there is millions of our people you know and
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we are the longest living surviving culture in the world and I want all of our young people to know that and also I want every Australian to respect and understand and give the opportunity to to share that but people have to be willing to listen and that's I think that's what it's done.
I think your work will be so important in all schools which I love across Australia but also in the space of people who are not yet remote I can picture people coming and reading your book and then stepping into it with strength so they do I go remote do I not go remote and here is this background information so now I feel confidence to take on the role.
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So that's where I am always saying as well I mean I share it's my perspective it's my lived experience it's experiences of my mum and my man and my family and you know we talk about the diversity within our cultures and our people so you know you take this knowledge and you be empowered by it but you go and have those local yarns you know with the community that you're in.
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You listen to the stories of the local people their experiences you know you might learn you know we I educate people around terminology and respect and all the different nations clans and it is a very broad I guess overview that I give but you know wherever you go you're on you new country and you learn those stories and I think that's what is so difficult for a lot of people and we get that we get that you know I would be I would be.
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I would be so scared if I was to go into a new country and you know be asked to teach their history and their culture with the diversity that we have I get why it's scary but what we ask is that you just be courageous and we need you to be be strong learn and just ask you know if you make a mistake so okay you know just reach out for help and support you're not expected to know it all and I think that's where we start.
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We get people empowered wanting to do more and just a couple little things make a difference you don't have to change it all overnight that's an important message which is the message throughout your book yes yeah and also it's not really perhaps our role to change everything overnight either as allies you know we we have our place and so to defecations people.
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Absolutely absolutely.
Hopefully I just want to you know say thank you to whoever's listening you know you're obviously really young even you sister you know like you're passionate educators that are in this space to make a difference so firstly I just want to say thank you really want to from the bottom of my heart you know you clicked on this podcast you know we're young you about Aboriginal education making a difference so I just want to say thank you all behalf of our communities our kids our future we need each and every one of you you know to to do your work.
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You know I think Aboriginal peoples across this country we're still a very small percentage we kind of need all the support that we can get so learn reach out you know if anyone ever wants to connect there's a contact form on my website as well I say this wherever I go and I find myself a very busy busy busy woman but I see myself as it's all energised a bunny and I thank my defibrillator for that as well people often go to his cullihani get all your energy and you just go go go.
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I do have a life-friendly heart condition and I've got an internal cardiac defibrillator which is electrical box that's in my chest wide into my heart and honestly I just see it as my little friend and my little energiser bunny it is there obviously to save my life if something was to happen my mum sadly passed away when I was three didn't have access to medicines and you know she had
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dramatic heart disease you know and I'm in a few other issues but sadly so many people in our you know in our communities particularly in remote communities are dying from these preventable diseases diseases which breaks my heart and I remember if you haven't watched already there's a documentary on I think it was on four corners about dramatic heart disease and
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sadly it's the racism it's a lack of education that's still killing our people you know and I believe that it starts with education so the little things that you do make a difference please reach out if you know read the new book be that teacher who makes a difference and lead Aboriginal education for all students it's a long I like the long titles but hey I'm like I'm going to tell you what it's about on the title yeah my my first book like I said it's
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called dream big and imagine the what if there's a page or so when I was a teenager you know and I guess my my experience is you know I really it was a sad one right throughout my teens in my life yeah and it was a turning point you know I guess throughout my grief and some of the sad things that I experienced I just picked up a pen and paper sat a journalist had a goal setting and I started to break it right down you know into not just your dreams and your goals but who are the people they're going to help you who inspires you one of the barriers and planning for the hurt or
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the goals so I also did create a dream big journal which is making its way right across this country cause recently heard about it now cause a like office work so I think it's Australia's biggest office supply company they service a lot of schools they service a lot of universities they found my journal they're now stocking it nationally so as well as that's a paid one because I've worked with the local Aboriginal artists it's full of like goal setting prompts but it's also got lots of pages just for free writing an inspiration
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quite it's got beautiful Aboriginal art so I guess the picture of my teachers loving that loving that chance to collect on their experiences and work through stuff
absolutely so that's a paid one so the two paid one that's a two books in the journal which you can find on my website
kylecapton.com.au and I encourage people to go to the website not to Amazon or some of the other ones if you can only because I think you get it for a bit cheaper on the website as well
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in more of the proceeds go back to us as well so if you can go to go to the website but on that website as well there's actually two free downloads so you've got the free goal setting tool which is a seven page dream big
yeah goal setting tool which is based a smaller version of the actual journal and then we've also got a teacher reflection guide as well which is created created for the new book
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yeah we love it so much goodness it's packed so much goodness that's right so I know that not everyone can afford the journal so that's why the freebies are there and basically you just enter your email and you can download it for free
I guess I am the worst self-promoter I suffer with really bad imposter syndrome tall poppy syndrome all these things that are right about in my book fear fear of failure fear of success fear of judgment
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I knew it was coming and then but I've had nothing but positive feedback from Aboriginal communities from teachers from educators from first time readers saying they've never read a book in my life but they've read my first book now they're going on just to read more so it's go on and if you like give it a share for me because I am absolutely
for all I am trying my best to be brave because I know that particularly around like I can write a book but socials I'm trying but honestly like every time I try my best
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and for people listening Kali's message is so important the value that she gives is so important and it's so timely and valued for the remote teachers as well so it's not that you're promoting anything
it's that you're giving value that you're teaching a stuff that we all need to know so you're welcome to share on our platforms anytime because I'm sure other
teachers listening now will agree that your your work is brilliant thank you for sharing with us all you can share first and then maybe I'll be brave
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that is the message and I'm just so grateful thank you so much for having me I really really appreciate it
amazing thank you for coming on kai my pleasure I look forward to yada again soon and hopefully connecting with more of you as well
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So looking forward to welcoming Kylie Captain from Dream Big Education, Wellbeing and Consulting. Welcome Kylie.
Yeah, my good morning. Thank you so much for having me. I'm extremely grateful to be here yawning with you and to everyone that's listening today.
Before we begin, I would like to acknowledge the traditional custodians on the land I meet today, which is the Bungalung people of Northern Rivers, New South Wales.
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I too would like to acknowledge country today. I am dialing in from beautiful, Darryl country in southwest Sydney as a proud Gimilaroy woman.
I acknowledge the lands and which everyone is meeting from today. I acknowledge my old people, my ancestors and can in just thank them, you know, for their continuous guidance and protection and for allowing all of us to live and work and play and dream and teach on these beautiful land.
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So thank you so much for having me.
A pleasure. I would like to start by raving about your newest work. I took it on thinking, I wonder if it will have things that are relevant given that we work in perhaps different contexts.
I thought, oh, this might be for people who don't perhaps work in mainstream and don't work in our context. And then I started reading it.
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I'm like, oh, this is a good bit. This is something that even I didn't know after some years working. I took so much from it and I know that many, many staff in remote schools will also take so much from this.
So that's be that teacher who makes a difference and lead Aboriginal education for all students. But Kylie, that's not the only work that you've done.
Would you like to share with us the breadth of your author work and then we'll chat consulting?
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Absolutely. So yeah, look, thank you. I kind of still get goosebumps and feel so when I hear people talk about the book, you know, it's it is pretty amazing.
Yeah, the recent book obviously that's co-authored with my teacher, the one who made a difference for me at a really critical time in my life.
You know, she told me that I was smart and deadly. She really saw me when I walked through those school gates. So as you just said, yeah, that one is called Be That Teacher who makes a difference and lead Aboriginal education for all students.
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So that isn't my first book. So this one was just launched in December 2022, rewind 12 months prior to that. I actually launched my very first book and that one's titled Dream Big and Imagine the Wodif.
And that one's now next on my to read list. I've been through your other one. I'm excited.
That's it. And I mean, look, I didn't see myself as a writer. I really am a storyteller. I really wanted to keep my own. I can write academically.
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I did really well at university and for the last 13 years, I've worked in education, leading the improvement journey of many schools and working really closely with principles and directors.
But in this, I guess my authoring style of writing, I just want to tell you, you know, I use my Aboriginal English. I just want to like sit down, have an accompany and a need or a high.
And that's actually really well known Aboriginal author. She reviewed my book and said just that it's just like sitting down, having a cup or and having a yarn. And that's how I tell my stories. But both books actually are now Amazon International Best Seller.
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So the first one made best seller. And then we pop this one up just probably a few weeks ago and it just went off on Amazon as well. And there are educators right across the country and abroad that are just reading it and loving it.
And even now many are going back once they're reading this one reading my first book. And that first book is a little bit of, you know, it's a tea joker for some as well, you know, it talks about my story of overcoming tremendous grief and adversity.
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But then it's about the power of education itself help book. It's an educational book about our history. You know, it's, you know, my mob grew up, while both my mums, my Daniel War past really did it tough, you know, from the past policies that have impacted on Aboriginal people right across this country.
And I wanted to really express that so I've kind of done it all. I still have a few more books. I want to write about, you know, I need to get the children's book down. I need to do one for teens. Now I'm thinking, what else will I do? So yeah, they're consulting that mind my new business basically is launching this year 2023. And I've just stepped away from my full time job to actually just follow the signs.
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And I'm just going to add in the ward if in this new little journey and be able to support many. So I'm just going to show up, you know, hopefully making a difference for whoever it is that I come into contact with.
I'm excited by the breadth of your work as well, because as remote teachers, it's sometimes hard to number one, access professional development, but find the right books that are going to give you that juicy hands on stuff that you can walk away with straight away. And your book I found to be that and it had the reflection part at the end of each chapter.
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So it's really supporting that change in thinking for remote teachers. You've said that lots of schools have bought the book and now you're interested in going to work with schools.
Do you want to talk a little bit about your consulting work and how you envision that to work for perhaps remote schools?
Absolutely. So I've kind of so, yeah, so there's many, many schools like even last week and over the last few weeks we've been getting orders for like principles of buying them for every teacher in this school.
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And what, you know, after reading themselves, you know, really feeling that this will help their journey. And I think the important thing is is that I really feel after working, you know, for the last 20 or 20 years, I've worked in Aboriginal identified positions.
I've taught in a primary school and most recently probably for about the last six or seven years, I've, I've pretty much been like a consultant working for the department of education, but really supporting in that professional learning space.
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And as well as that work, I'm the president of the Aboriginal Studies Association. I've led lots of professional learning, you know, for these things that I kind of talk about in my book.
I decided to step away from that role to allow me to bridge further out of my, my, my network that I support. So previously I would support for the imprimsable networks across southwest Sydney.
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And then I'm getting lots of requests. You know, can you come out to Menendique? Can you come to, you know, lots of different places around the country and my answer has always been no.
And I always just, I'm someone that really listens deeply to my gut to my intuition. And I just had this little nudge just going to say yes, just say yes.
And I want to do a lot of work. So my, my business, obviously, it's, you know, I was thinking of calling it an Aboriginal name, but I thought, no, I went to an awards ceremony towards the end of last year.
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And they have these amazing businesses there, but I didn't really know what they did. So I thought I'm just going to tell people what I did in my business name.
So it is dream big. Everyone knows me for dream big. I've been going on about dreaming big for as long as I can remember, but it's your education. So that's basically my teacher professional learning.
So I guess in regards to remote teachers accessing the work that I can do. So at the moment, so I mentioned Dr. Kathy Burgess. She's actually an associate professor at the University of Sydney.
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She leads the masters in Aboriginal education, Aboriginal educational leadership course. Her and I are president and vice president of the Aboriginal Studies Association.
So we do a lot of work with Sydney University and the Aboriginal Studies Association. We've actually just launched our very first master class, or we've just, yeah, promoted it based on the themes of our book.
So that's going to be online. We're just going to test it out. We want to, we're going to get feedback to see how it works. We're in the process of getting it nester accredited for five hours.
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So we're not sure whether the accreditation will come through because the first session is actually booked for the ninth of March.
So it's going to be a three hour session from 12 30 to 330. Then it's kind of we give you tools and some takeaway and hopefully inspire everyone to go off and to do some deadly work.
We really want to give them some really rich and juicy concrete things, you know, that they could actually take away and start doing.
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And then it's a bit of a quarter action, you know, these days we don't just come along to participate in professional learning and then do nothing with it.
It's like, you know, let's let's just all join this journey of change and do something with it.
Then we come back together, which is kind of like a bit of a celebration.
You know, we get to connect with like minded people across many different, you know, so I'm not limited now just to public education. I can work with Catholics independence.
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Basically, whoever wants to join us. So that one is advertised at the moment. It's on event bright. The link is on my website, which is just Kylie captain dot com.
And you there's a special at the moment for the next I think until the 17th of February. So with a promo code deadly and you get 10% off. So if anyone wants to join that one.
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But I guess that would be one that we potentially run maybe once a term together.
Kathy still works full time for the university. I'm now deadly business woman, do my own thing as well. So obviously I'm available and free.
I guess my vision for the businesses that I would love to be able to travel my kids now and those that go on a read my book, you read my journey. I do have two beautiful kids to this July at 23 and 19.
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I kind of believe that but I'm I've got the freedom to travel. I my dream is to be going out to be working with remote schools either by zoom. Hopefully maybe go and out and visiting some who knows.
I'm open for that as well as you know in delivering professional learning around the culture or when it's around creating culturally safe learning environments around curriculum, whatever it might be.
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I'm really happy to co design, but as well as working with teachers and educators. I also want to work with students. I'm really passionate about working with young people. And when I work with young people, I talk about dreaming big about aspirations. I educate them about Aboriginal histories and cultures and pride in identity and.
I'm highlighting the many different amazing role models that are out there as well. You know growing up I heard about the athletes, the artists and the musicians and I was none of those and I thought what type of Aboriginal person am I don't fit into any of those categories and there's a few things that I aren't about in my book and a couple of little moments that changed my life and one of them was.
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At a really critical moment actually where Kathy was involved and a few others, they sent me to do my work experience at the Department of Aboriginal Affairs in the city and people like Linda Bernie, Gary Ella are all these deadly Aboriginal people are in there and it changed my life, you know, at this point, I was only going to school two to three times a week, heading down a really negative path hanging on for D life.
But I went home to my mum who's now passed sadly and I was like, ma, there's only a deadly black hole in the city doing these amazing job and you know that was just one little critical thing but so our kids need to see what they're inspired to be and we are more than what the media portrays us to be we are the authors where the educators were the storytellers were the business owners were the whatever it is, you know, the trade is there's lots of different ways to success and so that's the education component student and teacher programs.
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So I can also envision you supporting and empowering Aboriginal education officers and First Nation staff as well, yeah absolutely so when I first came into the department 30 years ago, I was an Aboriginal student liaison officer dealing with, you know, non attendance and a lot, a lot of kind of welfare issues and before I came over to that role, I worked in Brian a future so back then it was docs but working to support our families before you know things got worse so just putting all those little things into place so.
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I, my dream, I guess when I first came into this role, we did it all, we would support our as-lows, our AEOs, everyone and students and then the job kind of changed and kind of those, I guess responsibilities kind of you know we're taking out of my role description so now I just want to yeah I'm available to support them to empower them and the consulting stuff is basically just whatever it is, you know, I am i'm going to be working with some other national companies.
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Around you know whether it's just cultural awareness training, which is really important, you know, for everyone to understand working on rap, facilitating for other people so there's a lot that I really want to do.
One thing as well I want to mention is because I've gone down the authoring journey as well and one, one dream of mine that I will work on this year is to help students become authors as well so I'm working with a company around not just for Aboriginal students but for all students I see myself.
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We're looking at maybe having two streams so I always thought writing a book was really, you know, for these really smart people that were just born from authors and all the rest of it, you know, but I'm like chapter, chapter one in my book is called We All Have A Story and I want to empower everyone to write their story, particularly I young people but using their home languages or whether it's Aboriginal English, their own language that they speak.
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And really focusing on writing for purpose I really love literacy I love writing and I want everyone to see the purpose in it and that's what I do as a as a teacher so I'm I'd love to yeah I'm kind of i'm open so I'm basically steps away from my role i've got these ideas that I want to do but at the same time I am open for whatever it is that my old people in the universe has installed for me.
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Everyone who's listening jump on Kylie's website by the book but also reach out and and touch base around what you can deliver from teachers to Aboriginal educational officers to students that you've got this this consulting work that leads you everywhere it's exciting but but now we get back down to remote our back teachers do you have any top tips that they need to think about straight away.
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Well, I think that it's just about I think wherever they are so wherever everyone is right now in their life just knowing that you're there for a reason I think we're all on a journey we all have a purpose and for some reason you've all landed in these incredible jobs everyone deserves good teachers everyone deserves an education and thankfully are the people that are out there in these remote communities teaching they're really really special people so number one just taking a deep breath and you know it's probably really scary particularly.
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You know it's probably really scary particularly if you're just starting out you know but just know that you are being guided that you're there for a reason in their lives to change so I always believe that teaching is the most important job in the world so just number one but importantly really taking care of themselves as well you know I think a lot of our teachers a lot of our new newbies coming through and I guess the pressures of teaching and data and getting those outcomes and results our poor people are really.
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And that comes in results our poor teachers get getting burnt out you know and I think that purpose in their passion starts to dwindle away sometimes I'm another there's still many many passionate teachers that are going you know 2030 years in but for a lot particularly with COVID and the pressures so I just think that making sure that you look after yourselves focus on you know teacher wellbeing looking after yourself first you can't be there's deadly and amazing teachers and change lives and do this incredible work if you don't get to.
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If you don't yet look after yourself first time to see what you wrote in your book as well so you had the importance of wellbeing but you also had that section about the reasons people don't implement Aboriginal perspectives and that fear so I can picture new teachers going into remote communities and they're like oh I don't know I don't want to step on toes I don't know how to find my way and then on top of all that doing the normal teaching which is hard and burn out and all that kind of stuff so your book covers that but I can.
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Understand. Knowing that the fear is normal that you're not alone like it will be quite scary as well particularly you know and I remember when I initially I was always going to be a history and Aboriginal studies teacher and I switched last minute actually and went into a primary degree because I had some friends that were doing it and I pretty much made the decision and and but and I was terrified you know to go in and teach things like art which you know and I thought how am I ever going to teach primers go I'm the worst artist in the world
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but you know and I was terrified there was certain things you know we didn't and I think particularly teachers are expected to know it all but just know that that fear is normal really understand that there's a there's a massive connection of people out there as well and I'll also say to particularly around Aboriginal education you know just be willing to learn re learn or unlearn what you already know and there's amazing resources out there.
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I'll also just mention as well that you know I am the president of the Aboriginal studies association we support Aboriginal studies teachers but we're kind of branching out we're not just around the subject anymore we're just around Aboriginal education in general.
So Richard we can start to touch in with you on that Facebook group as well can they absolutely yeah so anyone can join that Facebook group Aboriginal studies association we put up a lot of appeal you know as well sometimes throughout the year there's a leadership course at the end of the year and so that's an important thing.
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So that's another avenue but just you know reading inspirational text I think you know I and I do it all the time you know sometimes out we're so passionate but you know we kind of lose a bit of focus but I really love you know reading like Stan Grant's got a beautiful book you know talking to my country there's a lot of incredible resources out there.
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So I think this is the first teachers federations got beautiful library for those that are teachers federations Sydney University has a Aboriginal studies resource tab as well that's got incredible links just to support so many teachers so I guess for our master class we will be giving lots of rich information as well and and where to go but I just think be brave you know and I reflect on our nadok themes and reconciliation themes from for last from last year.
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So I think we can just be brave and make change don't be afraid to ask questions if you're going into a new community don't feel like you need to know it all build relationships you know have yarns make yourself visible you know go down to the sporting fields go and you know those little things make a difference and if you try to build relationships you know with your families or communities sometimes just step outside those school gates because particularly for our Aboriginal families.
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Schools haven't always been welcoming places my mum wasn't even allowed to go to school from the age of 11 up in Walgreens and she never ever loved stepping into my to my school she never would never come.
So just I think relationships being brave have any yarn whether they're Aboriginal sometimes out you know people don't like to speak to you know might be a director or a principal or you know just that uncomfortable but knowing that we're all human we're all here to go on this journey together.
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So there's there's so much and I I talked far too much I can probably city.
No I'm sure people are loving exactly what you say but your story about your mum highlights also the recent living history of trauma so sometimes people will brush things aside and say that it was long ago in the past or or move on or it's not the lived experience of our young people now but it is the lived experience in living memory these policies and there's research that shows they say that it takes about six generations.
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To wipe out this intergenerational trauma even if you weren't directly affected so I was born into listening to the stories of my mum who lived on the banks of the Nama River in a little tin shack.
Back then Walgreens such a racist place time time in the world she loved go to school but my mum so my birth mum passed away when I was three my mum who raised me was quite dark as well you know they were sisters but she was told she wasn't allowed to go to school so she was out working for white families on cattle stations while
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some of her cousins went to school she pretty much taught herself to read and write and you know she just always thought that all white people were terrible you know it's just yeah I guess it's not it wasn't that long ago so I was born into my both of my kids see opportunity to know my mum as well before she passed away so they heard the stories you know and I guess they reckon it takes about six generations you know so I love in your book you talk about strengths based approaches and into general sure strength and I think young people are hearing these stories.
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But also they're hearing the power of their grandmothers who overcame you know worked through it and raised young people and lived on country like yeah yeah yeah and I mean we've just come off the back of you know the 26th of January which was a very every single year oh my god it just I think it's just getting worse you know the racism and the things that we hear it's honestly like I was just so culturally and spiritually fatigued you know I did go into your but my daughter was dancing and our biggest festival here in Sydney
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standing strong you know with my nieces and my nephew in their culture performing singing dancing it was amazing but it is tough it's really really tough where we feel like we're having the same youngs year after year always defending but yeah look the best.
And this year as well with the big vote that's coming up I think everyone feels like they've got a right to have an opinion coming from a place of knowledge and understanding and getting out our facts right this will be a tough year for a lot of people.
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It definitely will but you know fingers crossed I mean I'm always really positive that things will improve I'm nearly 42 in my lifetime I want to see a massive change you know I want to see this intergenerational trauma stop it and I really want to I mean you know it's not going to stop overnight but like you said in my book as well I talk about the intergenerational strength and there is millions of our people you know and
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we are the longest living surviving culture in the world and I want all of our young people to know that and also I want every Australian to respect and understand and give the opportunity to to share that but people have to be willing to listen and that's I think that's what it's done.
I think your work will be so important in all schools which I love across Australia but also in the space of people who are not yet remote I can picture people coming and reading your book and then stepping into it with strength so they do I go remote do I not go remote and here is this background information so now I feel confidence to take on the role.
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So that's where I am always saying as well I mean I share it's my perspective it's my lived experience it's experiences of my mum and my man and my family and you know we talk about the diversity within our cultures and our people so you know you take this knowledge and you be empowered by it but you go and have those local yarns you know with the community that you're in.
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You listen to the stories of the local people their experiences you know you might learn you know we I educate people around terminology and respect and all the different nations clans and it is a very broad I guess overview that I give but you know wherever you go you're on you new country and you learn those stories and I think that's what is so difficult for a lot of people and we get that we get that you know I would be I would be.
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I would be so scared if I was to go into a new country and you know be asked to teach their history and their culture with the diversity that we have I get why it's scary but what we ask is that you just be courageous and we need you to be be strong learn and just ask you know if you make a mistake so okay you know just reach out for help and support you're not expected to know it all and I think that's where we start.
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We get people empowered wanting to do more and just a couple little things make a difference you don't have to change it all overnight that's an important message which is the message throughout your book yes yeah and also it's not really perhaps our role to change everything overnight either as allies you know we we have our place and so to defecations people.
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Absolutely absolutely.
Hopefully I just want to you know say thank you to whoever's listening you know you're obviously really young even you sister you know like you're passionate educators that are in this space to make a difference so firstly I just want to say thank you really want to from the bottom of my heart you know you clicked on this podcast you know we're young you about Aboriginal education making a difference so I just want to say thank you all behalf of our communities our kids our future we need each and every one of you you know to to do your work.
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You know I think Aboriginal peoples across this country we're still a very small percentage we kind of need all the support that we can get so learn reach out you know if anyone ever wants to connect there's a contact form on my website as well I say this wherever I go and I find myself a very busy busy busy woman but I see myself as it's all energised a bunny and I thank my defibrillator for that as well people often go to his cullihani get all your energy and you just go go go.
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I do have a life-friendly heart condition and I've got an internal cardiac defibrillator which is electrical box that's in my chest wide into my heart and honestly I just see it as my little friend and my little energiser bunny it is there obviously to save my life if something was to happen my mum sadly passed away when I was three didn't have access to medicines and you know she had
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dramatic heart disease you know and I'm in a few other issues but sadly so many people in our you know in our communities particularly in remote communities are dying from these preventable diseases diseases which breaks my heart and I remember if you haven't watched already there's a documentary on I think it was on four corners about dramatic heart disease and
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sadly it's the racism it's a lack of education that's still killing our people you know and I believe that it starts with education so the little things that you do make a difference please reach out if you know read the new book be that teacher who makes a difference and lead Aboriginal education for all students it's a long I like the long titles but hey I'm like I'm going to tell you what it's about on the title yeah my my first book like I said it's
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called dream big and imagine the what if there's a page or so when I was a teenager you know and I guess my my experience is you know I really it was a sad one right throughout my teens in my life yeah and it was a turning point you know I guess throughout my grief and some of the sad things that I experienced I just picked up a pen and paper sat a journalist had a goal setting and I started to break it right down you know into not just your dreams and your goals but who are the people they're going to help you who inspires you one of the barriers and planning for the hurt or
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the goals so I also did create a dream big journal which is making its way right across this country cause recently heard about it now cause a like office work so I think it's Australia's biggest office supply company they service a lot of schools they service a lot of universities they found my journal they're now stocking it nationally so as well as that's a paid one because I've worked with the local Aboriginal artists it's full of like goal setting prompts but it's also got lots of pages just for free writing an inspiration
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quite it's got beautiful Aboriginal art so I guess the picture of my teachers loving that loving that chance to collect on their experiences and work through stuff
absolutely so that's a paid one so the two paid one that's a two books in the journal which you can find on my website
kylecapton.com.au and I encourage people to go to the website not to Amazon or some of the other ones if you can only because I think you get it for a bit cheaper on the website as well
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in more of the proceeds go back to us as well so if you can go to go to the website but on that website as well there's actually two free downloads so you've got the free goal setting tool which is a seven page dream big
yeah goal setting tool which is based a smaller version of the actual journal and then we've also got a teacher reflection guide as well which is created created for the new book
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yeah we love it so much goodness it's packed so much goodness that's right so I know that not everyone can afford the journal so that's why the freebies are there and basically you just enter your email and you can download it for free
I guess I am the worst self-promoter I suffer with really bad imposter syndrome tall poppy syndrome all these things that are right about in my book fear fear of failure fear of success fear of judgment
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I knew it was coming and then but I've had nothing but positive feedback from Aboriginal communities from teachers from educators from first time readers saying they've never read a book in my life but they've read my first book now they're going on just to read more so it's go on and if you like give it a share for me because I am absolutely
for all I am trying my best to be brave because I know that particularly around like I can write a book but socials I'm trying but honestly like every time I try my best
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and for people listening Kali's message is so important the value that she gives is so important and it's so timely and valued for the remote teachers as well so it's not that you're promoting anything
it's that you're giving value that you're teaching a stuff that we all need to know so you're welcome to share on our platforms anytime because I'm sure other
teachers listening now will agree that your your work is brilliant thank you for sharing with us all you can share first and then maybe I'll be brave
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a little bit later on because there is an important message and the reason I've just walked away from my really good job is because I want to make a bigger difference so
that is the message and I'm just so grateful thank you so much for having me I really really appreciate it
amazing thank you for coming on kai my pleasure I look forward to yada again soon and hopefully connecting with more of you as well
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don't forget about the masterclass that is coming up here I am big promoter now the masterclass is on the
ninth of marches on the website otherwise reach out for a yarn yeah thank you so much have a deadly day wherever you're listening from
keen to continue the conversation we'd love to chat with you join us over on the Facebook group teachers in remote
communities past present or future or see us on our socials what were your key takeaways from this episode share them with us
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of working remote or which experienced teacher needed to hear just this help move this podcast up the charts and reach more
remote curious and current remote teachers leave us a five star of you we'd love to know how this helped you
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are you a first nations educator for a remote outback community a teacher principle service provider
we'd love to chat with you for a future podcast so please reach out now don't forget you can find a
whole lot more remote teaching content over on our blog www.theremoteachor.com.au and on our socials we can't wait to welcome
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you to a future episode so stay tuned for more we have some amazing guests lined up thanks for listening
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