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----more----Welcome back to The Wonder and welcome to 2023. This is Science-Based Paganism, and I'm your host, mark, and I'm Yucca. And today we're going to give kind of. An overview of where we've been and where we're going. Sort of a New Year's episode to, to talk about all the stuff that's going on in our community and our hopes for the coming year stuff like that.
So, that's right. That's, that's what we're doing. Yeah. And we were just saying right before hitting record that this is season four episode. So That's right. Yeah. That's right. We've been doing this for a long time and it, it really underscores how long the pandemic's been going on because we started just a few weeks before, months before the pandemic hit right as it was starting to happen when we were going, maybe we should talk about this thing that's, that's happening in the world.
And then all of a sudden you're thinking may be kinda serious. , and then boom. Right. , the whole world changed. So yeah. But I think it was for, you know, we can't change that that was happening with the world, but I think that was really good timing for the podcast because, you know, yeah, as you say that I really agree too, because people were shut in and kind of desperate for content.
Of all kinds. And so I think both the podcast and starting the Saturday Zoom mixers for the atheopagan community, both of those things really took off. And they started right around the time of, of the pandemic hitting. Yeah, I think the, the atheopagan community has grown so much in the last few years, and part of that I think is the, Is not the pandemic, is just the work that's been done for years and, and people searching for it.
But I think that the pandemic also helped connect people because of that search for content that we had. Right. That search for online community. Right, right. And I think that the word is getting out and it's not just German to Ethiopia, paganism, which of course is a specific path. Mm-hmm. . For naturalistic paganism in witchcraft, generally the word has kind of been getting out.
You know, you don't have to pretend to believe in these gods if you don't believe in them. Yeah, you can still do the witchy stuff. You can still celebrate the holidays. You can still have a meaningful practice. Without incorporating those elements if they don't work for you. Right. And as the word gets out on that, a certain percentage of those people that are interested in that come into our community, find that it's warm and supportive.
Take advantage of all the resources available and get plugged in. Right. Yeah. And so speaking of looking into the future, I'm really curious to see. in addition to atheopagan, what other groups start to emerge? Right, right. Because as you're saying this is, this is one specific. Group within naturalistic paganism, right?
And so there's bound to be other approaches in other communities that pop up. And so it's just gonna be really interesting to see what the landscape is in five, 10 years from now. Very much so. Yeah. One of the things within the sort of naturalistic paganism umbrella that characterizes atheopagan is that we've put a lot of effort into community building.
Yeah. There are other organizations like the Religious Naturalist Association or the Spiritual Naturalist Society. And the naturalistic paganism website, for example. Mm-hmm. , where, where content creation is the focus. So there's articles to read and maybe podcasts to listen to and all that kind of stuff, but, Doing a lot of the sort of fostering of, you know, gathering people together has not been as much of an effort or they maybe haven't known how to do it.
Mm-hmm. , I
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(00:33):
Welcome back to The Wonderand welcome to 2023.
This is Science-Based Paganism, andI'm your host, mark, and I'm Yucca.
And today we're going to give kind of.
An overview of where we'vebeen and where we're going.
Sort of a New Year's episode to, totalk about all the stuff that's going
(00:54):
on in our community and our hopesfor the coming year stuff like that.
So, that's right.
That's, that's what we're doing.
Yeah.
And we were just saying rightbefore hitting record that
this is season four episode.
So That's right.
Yeah.
That's right.
We've been doing this for a long timeand it, it really underscores how long
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the pandemic's been going on because westarted just a few weeks before, months
before the pandemic hit right as it wasstarting to happen when we were going,
maybe we should talk about this thingthat's, that's happening in the world.
And then all of a sudden you'rethinking may be kinda serious.
, and then boom.
Right.
(01:39):
, the whole world changed.
So yeah.
But I think it was for, you know, wecan't change that that was happening with
the world, but I think that was reallygood timing for the podcast because,
you know, yeah, as you say that I reallyagree too, because people were shut
in and kind of desperate for content.
(01:59):
Of all kinds.
And so I think both the podcast andstarting the Saturday Zoom mixers
for the atheopagan community, bothof those things really took off.
And they started right around thetime of, of the pandemic hitting.
Yeah, I think the, the atheopagancommunity has grown so much in the last
(02:20):
few years, and part of that I thinkis the, Is not the pandemic, is just
the work that's been done for yearsand, and people searching for it.
But I think that the pandemic alsohelped connect people because of
that search for content that we had.
Right.
That search for online community.
Right, right.
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And I think that the word isgetting out and it's not just
German to Ethiopia, paganism,which of course is a specific path.
Mm-hmm.
. For naturalistic paganism inwitchcraft, generally the word
has kind of been getting out.
You know, you don't have topretend to believe in these gods
if you don't believe in them.
Yeah, you can still do the witchy stuff.
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You can still celebrate the holidays.
You can still have a meaningful practice.
Without incorporating thoseelements if they don't work for you.
Right.
And as the word gets out on that,a certain percentage of those
people that are interested inthat come into our community, find
that it's warm and supportive.
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Take advantage of all the resourcesavailable and get plugged in.
Right.
Yeah.
And so speaking of looking into thefuture, I'm really curious to see.
in addition to atheopagan, whatother groups start to emerge?
Right, right.
Because as you're saying thisis, this is one specific.
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Group within naturalistic paganism, right?
And so there's bound to beother approaches in other
communities that pop up.
And so it's just gonna be reallyinteresting to see what the landscape
is in five, 10 years from now.
Very much so.
Yeah.
One of the things within the sort ofnaturalistic paganism umbrella that
characterizes atheopagan is that we've puta lot of effort into community building.
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Yeah.
There are other organizations likethe Religious Naturalist Association
or the Spiritual Naturalist Society.
And the naturalistic paganismwebsite, for example.
Mm-hmm.
, where, where contentcreation is the focus.
So there's articles to read and maybepodcasts to listen to and all that kind
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of stuff, but, Doing a lot of the sort offostering of, you know, gathering people
together has not been as much of an effortor they maybe haven't known how to do it.
Mm-hmm.
, I, I come from the background ofbeing a political organizer and so.
You know, getting people togetheraround something is kind of my thing.
(04:57):
Right.
. And as soon as it became clear that thiswas something that people had interest in,
I was able to bring those skills to bear.
Mm-hmm.
and, and it, you know, it wasn't hard.
People were kind of banging on the doors,so that's, That's, that's part of, of
what differentiates atheopagan, I thinkright now, doesn't mean that it'll always
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be that way that other organizationswon't also build large communities.
But for the moment with about4,500 members on Facebook a
large contingency on Discord.
Mm-hmm.
. You know, hundreds of subscribers to thecontent on the blog and you know, and of
course the listeners podcast all of thosedifferent you know, followers on YouTube.
(05:43):
Mm-hmm.
, we'll come back to that cohort of people.
Yes, we will.
So it's a pretty largecohort of people and.
And last year we started the,the we had our first in-person.
National Gathering, right?
There've been a couple oflittle local ones, but that's
starting to become a thing.
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So yeah, the, the Sun retreat wasjust a really lovely experience.
Obviously we talked about thata lot before, and we had a live
episode from the Sun Retreat lastMay while we were in Colorado.
And we'll do that again in2024, but we don't have the
bandwidth to do it every year.
But that said we have just announced thedates for the atheopagan web weaving 2023.
(06:29):
So web weaving for awe, awe 23.
And Those dates are June 3rd and fourth,and that'll be an online conference.
It'll be very affordable,accessible from all over the world.
It'll be probably done on Zoom as aplatform because you know, now Zoom has
breakout rooms and all that kind of stuff.
(06:49):
Mm-hmm.
, but we'll look into some other conferenceplatforms to see if they might be better.
But everybody knows how to useZoom, so it's kind of easier.
To go that way.
And so that's the firstweekend of June, right?
That's correct.
Okay.
First weekend of June.
It's the full moon.
Nice, nice.
Just like the Centuryretreat was back in May.
(07:10):
Mm-hmm.
. And we've just announced the We'vejust put out the call for proposals
for presentations, and those can beworkshops, they can be lectures, they
can be panel discussions, they can berituals, they can be crafting workshops,
they can be experiential things.
(07:31):
So don't, don't think in terms of adry academic conference really, you
know, think outside the box aboutwhat you might offer to the community.
Mm-hmm.
. We need you to fill out a formthough to submit your proposal so
that we can keep track of them all.
And you can download the format the atheopagan Society
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website and we'll put this url.
We'll put all this in the show notes.
In the show notes.
The URL is the atheopagansociety.org/a WW 2023.
And okay, so, yes, we'll put thatin the notes, but there's a, a
link there where you can downloada Word document and fill that out.
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I've already received one and wejust announced this last night.
Please get those in by January 31st.
So that tells us what we have towork with and if there are similar
proposals, we may ask people tocollaborate, stuff like that.
But I am excited for this conference.
I think it's a new kindof activity for us.
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But I think it couldreally be a, a joyful one.
And we're gonna have lots of timefor socializing in breakout rooms.
So it's not just all, youknow, bombardment with content.
There'll be a lot of time to interactwith other atheopagan as well.
Hmm.
Wonderful.
Yeah, this is exciting.
So, and this is, yeah, thisis a good opportunity just to
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point out that this is all.
Every this, right.
When we talk about the communitybuilding and workshops and weekly
events and us doing the podcast andall of that, this is just, you know,
people really caring about the issueand spending their time on it, right?
(09:20):
Yeah, right.
And and to me I mean, there may comea time when we're big enough and we
have robust enough fundraising thatwe're able to like pay a part-time
person to help administer or whatever.
Mm-hmm.
, you know, cuz organizations do grow.
Yeah.
I'm not ideologically locked into theidea of being all volunteer, but for the
time being, you know, this is, this is.
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You know, people who, out of thegoodness of their hearts are contributing
to our community so that we all canhave a great experience together.
And that's just really heartwarming to me.
And it's what keeps me going inall, you know, I've got my thumb
in a bunch of these differentactivities and it's exciting.
It's.
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It's exciting to see something happening.
That Century retreat was glorious.
What a good time.
I get asked weekly by my six yearold when we're going back next.
and 2024 is so far away.
Oh, for a six year old it's forever.
It's unimaginable.
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Yes, but she can, she can cometo the online conference though.
Oh, she'll be so excited.
Yep.
See a lot of faces that she sawat the Suntry retreat and mm-hmm.
get to participate, it'll be good.
Yep.
So maybe we'll havesomething kid oriented.
Oh yeah, definitely.
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We should there, one of the conceptsthat I had when I was sort of, you know,
kicking around just a concept paperfor what this thing could be mm-hmm.
is if we have enough workshops that,that fall out thematically, we could have
like tracks the way some conference do.
Yeah.
So there could be a family trackthere could be a clerical track.
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, you know, there, there could be a ritualtrack that's just about ritual skills
and design and all that kind of stuff.
So it depends on what weget in the way of proposals.
But you know, it'd be kind of cool tohave kind of a roadmap of, well, I'm
gonna take this workshop and this one,and this one and this one, because
they're all on the family track.
(11:28):
Yeah.
Hmm.
Well, we'll have to think more about that.
And again, all of you listening, ifyou've got ideas check out the link.
So we're gonna put that in the show notes.
We really welcome your participation.
And newcomers are absolutely welcome.
The.
You know, this community, we,we have new people show up at
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the Saturday mixer every week.
We're really very open to havingnew folks show up and do stuff.
Yeah.
So, yeah.
Yeah, check it out and see what you think.
Yeah.
And another new thing this year iswe are revamping the YouTube channel.
Right.
Yeah.
(12:11):
So we will also post the podcastepisodes onto the YouTube channel.
But we're also going tobe doing weekly videos.
So the first one mark, you areactually the host for that,
and this week I will be a host.
And then we have some otherfantastic people on the team.
So you're gonna get to hear.
And c So this is visual, so ifyou wanna see us, you get to see
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us more voices than just ours.
And so we're building thatteam right now as well.
So people who are really, if you're reallyinterested in that go ahead and reach
out to us because we would love to havemore team members to help with the media.
But we'll be talking aboutall kinds of different topics.
Your topic this week, markwas on the skeptics moon.
(12:54):
Yeah, the, the Full Moon willwill be doing a video every
month for the full moon.
And talking about the idea of mappingthose moon cycles onto the calendar of.
The princip, the, the 13atheopagan principles.
Mm-hmm.
. So this month's moon video was aboutthe first atheopagan principle, which
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is critical thinking and skepticism.
Judging by the comments that we'vebeen getting, people are really excited
about the new content showing up.
And at least one person commentedand said, you know, the only
reason I'm in this community is.
You, you guys lead with critical thinking.
Yeah.
. I, I, I really, you know, I'm a,I'm a science minded person and I
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really needed that to be front andcenter in the cosmology for the rest
of this stuff to be, to work for me.
Yeah.
So that was really gratifying to read.
So we still, by the way, needsomeone on the media team to
serve as a comments monitor.
We do.
Yeah.
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You know, it's, it's all verywell when we have one video up.
But keeping track of all thecomments on all the various videos
as they go up you know, just.
Just to make sure it's notspamming or, or trolling.
Yeah.
Because to be clear, we arevery interested in when people
have different opinions, right?
(14:21):
Yes.
We love that discussion, butwhat we don't want is abusive
behavior, name calling, right.
You know, kind of nasty stuff.
So, Just to keep an eye on that, cuzthat doesn't, that doesn't always
get caught by YouTube's filters.
Right?
YouTube will pick up certainwords, but it doesn't pick up the
meaning of something being said.
(14:42):
So Yeah, it's gonna filter up.
His curse words doesn'tunderstand star sarcasm.
. It does not so cow.
It does not.
I mean, I've gotten warnings from YouTubewhen I was saying exactly the opposite
of what they thought I was saying.
. Yeah, because it's sohaving a real person.
Just looking at that.
That's, and as we grow, I hope that we'llhave a lot more content and a lot more
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just a lot more happening on the channel.
Mm-hmm.
, so mm-hmm.
. And the another thing that we'll bedoing is the round table discussions.
So for the holidays, and we're justin the, the process right now of, of
figuring out the time to get everybody on.
A group of folks will be talkingabout our holiday coming up in
February that has many names, so, yes.
(15:31):
Yeah.
And that might be one of thethings we talk about as well.
What, what?
Oh, I think it broke this holiday.
Yes.
Yeah.
I, I think it probably will,and that's a good thing.
You know, as I said in my book, I kindof envision a time when when atheopagan
meet one another, they might say, so, howdo you celebrate the wheel of the year?
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What?
What does, you know, what doesyour cycle of holidays look like?
Because rather than prescribing, youknow, this is how you celebrate the one
at the beginning of February, and thisis how you celebrate the March Equinox.
Instead, it's more like, well, what'sgoing on in your natural world?
What.
, what's the phenomenologyof, of where you live?
(16:17):
Mm-hmm.
in relation to this time of year.
Yeah.
So that's, that's cool.
So that's a, that's big.
We're really excited about that.
And if you we'll put the link tothat in the show notes as well.
And we always appreciate any interactionthat people give on the videos.
Subscribing to the channel, I knowit, it sounds old and cliche to
say it, but really the subscribing.
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Liking commenting actually doesreally make a big difference.
Cuz the number of subscribersthat you have dictates what things
you can and cannot do on YouTube.
Right?
Right.
So the more subscribers you have, you canturn on the community tab and you get to
do announcements through the communitytab and you know, that kind of thing.
Mm-hmm.
So, so we always appreciate.
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Yeah.
And I, I think the thresholdfor that is a thousand.
Subscribers, I think.
I think last time I checked, but it'sbeen a while since I've looked into Yeah.
What the requirements are.
We're, we're at over 600 now, so wouldn'ttake too long now that we've got the
new content coming in, I hope Yeah.
(17:21):
For us to be able to, to use thatcuz it would be really useful Yeah.
To be able to do that Well, we'llhave consistently, at least.
Video's coming out a week, andhopefully as we grow, we'll
have more regular ones as well.
So we'll have the, the podcast,one of which will be the podcast.
Yeah, yeah.
The podcast coming out onMondays and then, Regular videos
coming out on Wednesdays, so.
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Well, that's very exciting and I knowthat, you know, initially this whole
revamped media project was your babyYucca, so I really appreciate that you
conceptualized this and it's taken usquite a while to find the team and.
, you know, get it organized.
And shout out to Susan Patterson.
(18:06):
Yes.
Who's our glue on
Yes.
Who who wrangles the cats andpulls us all together so that we
can get things done for schedule.
Yeah.
Figuring out everybody's schedules.
Yeah.
Across multiple time zones andwork schedules and all of that.
It's, yeah.
Thank you, Susan.
Yeah, absolutely.
So.
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Well, yeah, mark, why don't we talkreal quick about some of the things
that we have been doing this on thecommunity level over the past year
and are gonna continue to do thingsthat people can be involved in, like
mixers and oh, that kind of thing.
Okay.
There is the regular Saturdaymorning, well, it's morning for me
in Pacific Time Zone in California.
(18:51):
Mm-hmm.
, Saturday mixer that lastsfor an hour and a half.
It starts at 10:15 AM Pacific time.
Mm-hmm.
, so that's 1115 Mountain1215 Central one 15.
Eastern PM Eastern time.
And then of course we havepeople from Europe and we.
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A participant that comes pretty regularlyfrom Hawaii, so it's even It's early.
It's early for them.
Yeah.
Be right.
Eve, late evening for Europe.
Right.
So that wouldn't work if you're in right.
In Australia or New Zealand?
That's gonna be I thinkit's early in the morning.
I, I think, I think it's early thefollowing morning in Australia.
(19:33):
Oh, so maybe if you're an early riser.
Yeah.
Okay.
Not entirely sure about that, butwe have had some people participate
that have been from Australia,so I know, I know it's possible.
Okay.
So Saturday morning mixer.
Mm-hmm.
, there's a Saturday morning mixer.
There's another mixer on Thursdayevenings that is organized by Glenn
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Gordon, who is a fantastic communityvolunteer who does lots of stuff.
Really did the heavy lifting onmigrating the atheopagan blog.
Mm-hmm.
to a standalone server so thatwe could do more things with it
and use plugins in WordPress.
Right.
And, and it just looks a lot betternow and it's easier to search.
(20:18):
Much more functional.
Yeah.
So, he hosts a kind of an afterhours mixer in the later time.
Of Thursday.
I don't remember exactly when it starts.
I think it's, I think it's six 30 Pacific.
He's also in the Pacific.
Time zone.
So there's that.
Once a month we have theadult slash sex salon.
(20:41):
Mm-hmm.
, which is a 18 and over, fullyconfidential, frank, open
conversation about adult topics.
Mm-hmm.
this is a, so we zoom meetingthese, these aren't live meetings.
Yeah.
This is Zoom, right?
This is a Zoom meeting.
They're not recorded.
There's no.
, you know, there's norecord of any of this.
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It's just a, a private safe spacefor people to talk about issues
like sexuality, like, use ofrecreational or spiritual drugs.
Mm-hmm.
like, you know, other sorts of Maybetrans inducing or altered state inducing
kinds of activities those kinds of things.
And we always havefantastic conversations.
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So that's the first Saturday.
Of every month.
Mm-hmm.
, and it starts at 3:30 PM Pacifictime and goes for two hours.
So that's another thing youcan do if you're interested
in participating in that.
We have really supportivegreat people who.
Who have a lot to say andreally interesting resources.
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We've talked about relationship formats,like open relationships and polyamory.
We've talked about kink andand that whole community.
We, we just, we've talkedabout lots of stuff.
So there's that.
This month coming up on the 15th.
Is an open mic that's being organizedby our community member, Cena, which
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is an opportunity for people to presentmusic or poetry or writing or, you
know, an artwork or whatever that is.
It's, it's just comedy.
Mm-hmm.
, It's just, it's just an open mic formembers of the community to come out
and it's, it's another Zoom event.
And we'll put the, the informationabout these into the show notes.
(22:31):
Right?
So we can, so we, so you, you canfigure out how to get to these things.
. That's all I can think of right now.
Obviously we have theconference coming up in June.
Is there an active bookclub at the moment?
No, but the book club wassupposed to get active again
after the beginning of the year.
(22:53):
Mm-hmm.
, so they took a break.
So it might be op it might bestarting up again soon that Yes.
It might be starting up right around now.
Mm-hmm.
, The book club is calledthe AP Book, book Club.
It's a group on Facebook.
Mm-hmm.
. If you don't do Facebook I think there'sanother way to contact the administrator
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that you can find on the list of affinitygroups on the Ethiopian Society website.
All this sounds kind of complicated, butwe've got a lot going on . We do well,
and one of the things we talked aboutthat we should hopefully be starting
with our next newsletter is that we'regoing to compile what we know about.
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For each coming month.
Now things sometimes pop up and, and getcreated kind of on the spot, but we're
gonna start putting a calendar togetherthat goes out with the newsletter as
well, so people can, can have a littlebit of warning for that and kind of plan
around it if they're interested in it.
Right.
There's another event coming up onthe 22nd, which will be a bipo mix.
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. So black indigenous people of color.
Mm-hmm.
mixer that's being organized bya community member named Lauren.
Mm-hmm.
. And I think the idea there is that ifthere's turnout an interest, that will
probably turn into an affinity group.
Hmm.
But you know, she wanted to start outjust by having a gathering and, you
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know, having people say, Hey, Yeah.
How do we feel about this?
What do we want to do?
Mm-hmm.
. So that's another one.
That should go into thecalendar and the, the notes.
Right.
And there was a recovering fromreligion Affinity Group too, right?
Yes.
That changed its name.
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It's now the peer support.
Okay.
And it's a separate Facebook groupand they have separate events.
They're meeting on the first andthird Sundays of every month, and it's
basically for people that need anykind of support, whether they're in
recovery or deconstructing from, youknow, religious trauma, whatever it is.
(25:10):
Mm-hmm.
Okay.
You know, you're, it's therefor, for community support.
Thank you for reminding me of that.
The keeping track of everythingis, is getting difficult.
There's a lot going on.
Yeah, there is.
But I was saying in the mixerthis morning, you know, it's
not that big of a surprise.
When you put this many peopletogether, things will happen.
(25:31):
Mm-hmm.
, right?
People will say, Hey, I'm interestedin a thing and someone over there
will go, well, I'm interested inthat thing, . And the next thing you
know, there's a, a gathering happen.
Yeah, now, now there's aneven bigger thing, so, right.
Yeah.
. Yeah, there's, this is just a reallyexciting time, really excited for
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everything that has been happeningin the community and the year to come
and just seeing what unfolds and justfeeling a lot of gratitude right now.
So, yeah.
Yeah.
I should also mention that theatheopagan Society Council, which
is the board of directors of thenonprofit religious organization is
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in the process of doing a strategicplan for the next two to three years.
So we are, we're in the process of, ofidentifying some prioritized goals mm-hmm.
and figuring out how we'regoing to get to those.
. And in our first couple of years wedidn't do that because we were just
getting our legs underneath us anddoing the procedural things to get
(26:37):
legal and all that kind of stuff.
Stuff.
Tax documents and Right.
All of that stuff.
Yeah.
Yep.
And, and we did all that.
And we are official and legal and so nowwe're gonna plan what we're gonna do.
Yep.
To support this community andprovide resources and experiences.
That will be useful to people.
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Mm-hmm.
. So, you know, lots of, lotsof parallel tracks going on
in the community at this time.
Very exciting.
Very exciting.
Mm-hmm.
Well, so, oh, go ahead.
I was just gonna do kindof a wrap up, but go ahead.
We had talked about putting someof the old podcasts up on YouTube.
(27:23):
Yes.
And we're gonna do that, butprobably not all of them.
Yeah.
We're, we're gonna pick some that we thinkare really kind of the greatest hits.
Right.
And put those up on YouTube over time.
We don't want to, you know, do this huge.
Influx of content all at oncewhere people will get overwhelmed.
(27:44):
Yeah.
We don't just dump everything.
Right.
But we have had some really greatepisodes and wanna make those available
to our YouTube listeners as well.
Right.
So, and it'll, it, you know, it'sgonna take a little bit of time
for me to go back through and Sure.
You know, put it.
Take the audio and put it in with theimage and a video and all of that.
(28:07):
But moving forward, all thenew episodes will just be
publishing them at the same time.
Mm-hmm.
that we upload for the podcast, we'llupload a video version of it as well.
Mm-hmm.
. Yeah.
Yeah.
That's so great and I reallyappreciate all the technical stuff
that you do for us on that Yucca.
I mean, I know how to upload a YouTubevideo and I know how to edit a little bit,
(28:31):
but it's very painful, . It's not an, it'snot an easy and slick process with me.
It's sort of, oh, I forgot how to do this.
Oh, that's how you do this?
That's right.
Okay.
And then on to the next thing.
Well, and then they change it constantly.
They're always changing it, andthen you have to relearn it.
(28:53):
Yeah.
So, yep.
Well, okay, everyone hope your2023 is starting out really well.
Mm-hmm.
, and that if you're in theNorthern hemisphere, you're
staying dry and warm and cozy.
In a couple of weeks is the Demi Sabbathslog, on the third Saturday of the
(29:15):
month, which I believe is the 21st.
Let's make sure to talk about Slogbefore the, before it comes up.
We will, we'll talk about, we've talkedabout it before in the past, but it's,
it's just too fun not to bring up.
Yes.
So, be sure to pull your festivehats out of out of storage, and and
(29:35):
we'll talk more about Slog next week,but, Just wanna make sure everybody
remembers to have some festivity andjoy, even when it's gray and, and
cold water is coming out of the sky.
Yep.
Alright, so thank you everybody.
Thanks.
See you next week.
Welcome back to The Wonderand welcome to 2023.
This is Science-Based Paganism, andI'm your host, mark, and I'm Yucca.
And today we're going to give kind of.
An overview of where we'vebeen and where we're going.
Sort of a New Year's episode to, totalk about all the stuff that's going
(00:54):
on in our community and our hopesfor the coming year stuff like that.
So, that's right.
That's, that's what we're doing.
Yeah.
And we were just saying rightbefore hitting record that
this is season four episode.
So That's right.
Yeah.
That's right.
We've been doing this for a long timeand it, it really underscores how long
(01:19):
the pandemic's been going on because westarted just a few weeks before, months
before the pandemic hit right as it wasstarting to happen when we were going,
maybe we should talk about this thingthat's, that's happening in the world.
And then all of a sudden you'rethinking may be kinda serious.
, and then boom.
Right.
(01:39):
, the whole world changed.
So yeah.
But I think it was for, you know, wecan't change that that was happening with
the world, but I think that was reallygood timing for the podcast because,
you know, yeah, as you say that I reallyagree too, because people were shut
in and kind of desperate for content.
(01:59):
Of all kinds.
And so I think both the podcast andstarting the Saturday Zoom mixers
for the atheopagan community, bothof those things really took off.
And they started right around thetime of, of the pandemic hitting.
Yeah, I think the, the atheopagancommunity has grown so much in the last
(02:20):
few years, and part of that I thinkis the, Is not the pandemic, is just
the work that's been done for yearsand, and people searching for it.
But I think that the pandemic alsohelped connect people because of
that search for content that we had.
Right.
That search for online community.
Right, right.
(02:41):
And I think that the word isgetting out and it's not just
German to Ethiopia, paganism,which of course is a specific path.
Mm-hmm.
. For naturalistic paganism inwitchcraft, generally the word
has kind of been getting out.
You know, you don't have topretend to believe in these gods
if you don't believe in them.
Yeah, you can still do the witchy stuff.
(03:04):
You can still celebrate the holidays.
You can still have a meaningful practice.
Without incorporating thoseelements if they don't work for you.
Right.
And as the word gets out on that,a certain percentage of those
people that are interested inthat come into our community, find
that it's warm and supportive.
(03:26):
Take advantage of all the resourcesavailable and get plugged in.
Right.
Yeah.
And so speaking of looking into thefuture, I'm really curious to see.
in addition to atheopagan, whatother groups start to emerge?
Right, right.
Because as you're saying thisis, this is one specific.
(03:49):
Group within naturalistic paganism, right?
And so there's bound to beother approaches in other
communities that pop up.
And so it's just gonna be reallyinteresting to see what the landscape
is in five, 10 years from now.
Very much so.
Yeah.
One of the things within the sort ofnaturalistic paganism umbrella that
characterizes atheopagan is that we've puta lot of effort into community building.
(04:14):
Yeah.
There are other organizations likethe Religious Naturalist Association
or the Spiritual Naturalist Society.
And the naturalistic paganismwebsite, for example.
Mm-hmm.
, where, where contentcreation is the focus.
So there's articles to read and maybepodcasts to listen to and all that kind
(04:34):
of stuff, but, Doing a lot of the sort offostering of, you know, gathering people
together has not been as much of an effortor they maybe haven't known how to do it.
Mm-hmm.
, I, I come from the background ofbeing a political organizer and so.
You know, getting people togetheraround something is kind of my thing.
(04:57):
Right.
. And as soon as it became clear that thiswas something that people had interest in,
I was able to bring those skills to bear.
Mm-hmm.
and, and it, you know, it wasn't hard.
People were kind of banging on the doors,so that's, That's, that's part of, of
what differentiates atheopagan, I thinkright now, doesn't mean that it'll always
(05:19):
be that way that other organizationswon't also build large communities.
But for the moment with about4,500 members on Facebook a
large contingency on Discord.
Mm-hmm.
. You know, hundreds of subscribers to thecontent on the blog and you know, and of
course the listeners podcast all of thosedifferent you know, followers on YouTube.
(05:43):
Mm-hmm.
, we'll come back to that cohort of people.
Yes, we will.
So it's a pretty largecohort of people and.
And last year we started the,the we had our first in-person.
National Gathering, right?
There've been a couple oflittle local ones, but that's
starting to become a thing.
(06:03):
So yeah, the, the Sun retreat wasjust a really lovely experience.
Obviously we talked about thata lot before, and we had a live
episode from the Sun Retreat lastMay while we were in Colorado.
And we'll do that again in2024, but we don't have the
bandwidth to do it every year.
But that said we have just announced thedates for the atheopagan web weaving 2023.
(06:29):
So web weaving for awe, awe 23.
And Those dates are June 3rd and fourth,and that'll be an online conference.
It'll be very affordable,accessible from all over the world.
It'll be probably done on Zoom as aplatform because you know, now Zoom has
breakout rooms and all that kind of stuff.
(06:49):
Mm-hmm.
, but we'll look into some other conferenceplatforms to see if they might be better.
But everybody knows how to useZoom, so it's kind of easier.
To go that way.
And so that's the firstweekend of June, right?
That's correct.
Okay.
First weekend of June.
It's the full moon.
Nice, nice.
Just like the Centuryretreat was back in May.
(07:10):
Mm-hmm.
. And we've just announced the We'vejust put out the call for proposals
for presentations, and those can beworkshops, they can be lectures, they
can be panel discussions, they can berituals, they can be crafting workshops,
they can be experiential things.
(07:31):
So don't, don't think in terms of adry academic conference really, you
know, think outside the box aboutwhat you might offer to the community.
Mm-hmm.
. We need you to fill out a formthough to submit your proposal so
that we can keep track of them all.
And you can download the format the atheopagan Society
(07:52):
website and we'll put this url.
We'll put all this in the show notes.
In the show notes.
The URL is the atheopagansociety.org/a WW 2023.
And okay, so, yes, we'll put thatin the notes, but there's a, a
link there where you can downloada Word document and fill that out.
(08:14):
I've already received one and wejust announced this last night.
Please get those in by January 31st.
So that tells us what we have towork with and if there are similar
proposals, we may ask people tocollaborate, stuff like that.
But I am excited for this conference.
I think it's a new kindof activity for us.
(08:34):
But I think it couldreally be a, a joyful one.
And we're gonna have lots of timefor socializing in breakout rooms.
So it's not just all, youknow, bombardment with content.
There'll be a lot of time to interactwith other atheopagan as well.
Hmm.
Wonderful.
Yeah, this is exciting.
So, and this is, yeah, thisis a good opportunity just to
(08:58):
point out that this is all.
Every this, right.
When we talk about the communitybuilding and workshops and weekly
events and us doing the podcast andall of that, this is just, you know,
people really caring about the issueand spending their time on it, right?
(09:20):
Yeah, right.
And and to me I mean, there may comea time when we're big enough and we
have robust enough fundraising thatwe're able to like pay a part-time
person to help administer or whatever.
Mm-hmm.
, you know, cuz organizations do grow.
Yeah.
I'm not ideologically locked into theidea of being all volunteer, but for the
time being, you know, this is, this is.
(09:42):
You know, people who, out of thegoodness of their hearts are contributing
to our community so that we all canhave a great experience together.
And that's just really heartwarming to me.
And it's what keeps me going inall, you know, I've got my thumb
in a bunch of these differentactivities and it's exciting.
It's.
(10:02):
It's exciting to see something happening.
That Century retreat was glorious.
What a good time.
I get asked weekly by my six yearold when we're going back next.
and 2024 is so far away.
Oh, for a six year old it's forever.
It's unimaginable.
(10:22):
Yes, but she can, she can cometo the online conference though.
Oh, she'll be so excited.
Yep.
See a lot of faces that she sawat the Suntry retreat and mm-hmm.
get to participate, it'll be good.
Yep.
So maybe we'll havesomething kid oriented.
Oh yeah, definitely.
(10:43):
We should there, one of the conceptsthat I had when I was sort of, you know,
kicking around just a concept paperfor what this thing could be mm-hmm.
is if we have enough workshops that,that fall out thematically, we could have
like tracks the way some conference do.
Yeah.
So there could be a family trackthere could be a clerical track.
(11:07):
, you know, there, there could be a ritualtrack that's just about ritual skills
and design and all that kind of stuff.
So it depends on what weget in the way of proposals.
But you know, it'd be kind of cool tohave kind of a roadmap of, well, I'm
gonna take this workshop and this one,and this one and this one, because
they're all on the family track.
(11:28):
Yeah.
Hmm.
Well, we'll have to think more about that.
And again, all of you listening, ifyou've got ideas check out the link.
So we're gonna put that in the show notes.
We really welcome your participation.
And newcomers are absolutely welcome.
The.
You know, this community, we,we have new people show up at
(11:50):
the Saturday mixer every week.
We're really very open to havingnew folks show up and do stuff.
Yeah.
So, yeah.
Yeah, check it out and see what you think.
Yeah.
And another new thing this year iswe are revamping the YouTube channel.
Right.
Yeah.
(12:11):
So we will also post the podcastepisodes onto the YouTube channel.
But we're also going tobe doing weekly videos.
So the first one mark, you areactually the host for that,
and this week I will be a host.
And then we have some otherfantastic people on the team.
So you're gonna get to hear.
And c So this is visual, so ifyou wanna see us, you get to see
(12:34):
us more voices than just ours.
And so we're building thatteam right now as well.
So people who are really, if you're reallyinterested in that go ahead and reach
out to us because we would love to havemore team members to help with the media.
But we'll be talking aboutall kinds of different topics.
Your topic this week, markwas on the skeptics moon.
(12:54):
Yeah, the, the Full Moon willwill be doing a video every
month for the full moon.
And talking about the idea of mappingthose moon cycles onto the calendar of.
The princip, the, the 13atheopagan principles.
Mm-hmm.
. So this month's moon video was aboutthe first atheopagan principle, which
(13:16):
is critical thinking and skepticism.
Judging by the comments that we'vebeen getting, people are really excited
about the new content showing up.
And at least one person commentedand said, you know, the only
reason I'm in this community is.
You, you guys lead with critical thinking.
Yeah.
. I, I, I really, you know, I'm a,I'm a science minded person and I
(13:40):
really needed that to be front andcenter in the cosmology for the rest
of this stuff to be, to work for me.
Yeah.
So that was really gratifying to read.
So we still, by the way, needsomeone on the media team to
serve as a comments monitor.
We do.
Yeah.
(14:00):
You know, it's, it's all verywell when we have one video up.
But keeping track of all thecomments on all the various videos
as they go up you know, just.
Just to make sure it's notspamming or, or trolling.
Yeah.
Because to be clear, we arevery interested in when people
have different opinions, right?
(14:21):
Yes.
We love that discussion, butwhat we don't want is abusive
behavior, name calling, right.
You know, kind of nasty stuff.
So, Just to keep an eye on that, cuzthat doesn't, that doesn't always
get caught by YouTube's filters.
Right?
YouTube will pick up certainwords, but it doesn't pick up the
meaning of something being said.
(14:42):
So Yeah, it's gonna filter up.
His curse words doesn'tunderstand star sarcasm.
. It does not so cow.
It does not.
I mean, I've gotten warnings from YouTubewhen I was saying exactly the opposite
of what they thought I was saying.
. Yeah, because it's sohaving a real person.
Just looking at that.
That's, and as we grow, I hope that we'llhave a lot more content and a lot more
(15:06):
just a lot more happening on the channel.
Mm-hmm.
, so mm-hmm.
. And the another thing that we'll bedoing is the round table discussions.
So for the holidays, and we're justin the, the process right now of, of
figuring out the time to get everybody on.
A group of folks will be talkingabout our holiday coming up in
February that has many names, so, yes.
(15:31):
Yeah.
And that might be one of thethings we talk about as well.
What, what?
Oh, I think it broke this holiday.
Yes.
Yeah.
I, I think it probably will,and that's a good thing.
You know, as I said in my book, I kindof envision a time when when atheopagan
meet one another, they might say, so, howdo you celebrate the wheel of the year?
(15:54):
What?
What does, you know, what doesyour cycle of holidays look like?
Because rather than prescribing, youknow, this is how you celebrate the one
at the beginning of February, and thisis how you celebrate the March Equinox.
Instead, it's more like, well, what'sgoing on in your natural world?
What.
, what's the phenomenologyof, of where you live?
(16:17):
Mm-hmm.
in relation to this time of year.
Yeah.
So that's, that's cool.
So that's a, that's big.
We're really excited about that.
And if you we'll put the link tothat in the show notes as well.
And we always appreciate any interactionthat people give on the videos.
Subscribing to the channel, I knowit, it sounds old and cliche to
say it, but really the subscribing.
(16:39):
Liking commenting actually doesreally make a big difference.
Cuz the number of subscribersthat you have dictates what things
you can and cannot do on YouTube.
Right?
Right.
So the more subscribers you have, you canturn on the community tab and you get to
do announcements through the communitytab and you know, that kind of thing.
Mm-hmm.
So, so we always appreciate.
(17:00):
Yeah.
And I, I think the thresholdfor that is a thousand.
Subscribers, I think.
I think last time I checked, but it'sbeen a while since I've looked into Yeah.
What the requirements are.
We're, we're at over 600 now, so wouldn'ttake too long now that we've got the
new content coming in, I hope Yeah.
(17:21):
For us to be able to, to use thatcuz it would be really useful Yeah.
To be able to do that Well, we'llhave consistently, at least.
Video's coming out a week, andhopefully as we grow, we'll
have more regular ones as well.
So we'll have the, the podcast,one of which will be the podcast.
Yeah, yeah.
The podcast coming out onMondays and then, Regular videos
coming out on Wednesdays, so.
(17:45):
Well, that's very exciting and I knowthat, you know, initially this whole
revamped media project was your babyYucca, so I really appreciate that you
conceptualized this and it's taken usquite a while to find the team and.
, you know, get it organized.
And shout out to Susan Patterson.
(18:06):
Yes.
Who's our glue on
Yes.
Who who wrangles the cats andpulls us all together so that we
can get things done for schedule.
Yeah.
Figuring out everybody's schedules.
Yeah.
Across multiple time zones andwork schedules and all of that.
It's, yeah.
Thank you, Susan.
Yeah, absolutely.
So.
(18:28):
Well, yeah, mark, why don't we talkreal quick about some of the things
that we have been doing this on thecommunity level over the past year
and are gonna continue to do thingsthat people can be involved in, like
mixers and oh, that kind of thing.
Okay.
There is the regular Saturdaymorning, well, it's morning for me
in Pacific Time Zone in California.
(18:51):
Mm-hmm.
, Saturday mixer that lastsfor an hour and a half.
It starts at 10:15 AM Pacific time.
Mm-hmm.
, so that's 1115 Mountain1215 Central one 15.
Eastern PM Eastern time.
And then of course we havepeople from Europe and we.
(19:12):
A participant that comes pretty regularlyfrom Hawaii, so it's even It's early.
It's early for them.
Yeah.
Be right.
Eve, late evening for Europe.
Right.
So that wouldn't work if you're in right.
In Australia or New Zealand?
That's gonna be I thinkit's early in the morning.
I, I think, I think it's early thefollowing morning in Australia.
(19:33):
Oh, so maybe if you're an early riser.
Yeah.
Okay.
Not entirely sure about that, butwe have had some people participate
that have been from Australia,so I know, I know it's possible.
Okay.
So Saturday morning mixer.
Mm-hmm.
, there's a Saturday morning mixer.
There's another mixer on Thursdayevenings that is organized by Glenn
(19:55):
Gordon, who is a fantastic communityvolunteer who does lots of stuff.
Really did the heavy lifting onmigrating the atheopagan blog.
Mm-hmm.
to a standalone server so thatwe could do more things with it
and use plugins in WordPress.
Right.
And, and it just looks a lot betternow and it's easier to search.
(20:18):
Much more functional.
Yeah.
So, he hosts a kind of an afterhours mixer in the later time.
Of Thursday.
I don't remember exactly when it starts.
I think it's, I think it's six 30 Pacific.
He's also in the Pacific.
Time zone.
So there's that.
Once a month we have theadult slash sex salon.
(20:41):
Mm-hmm.
, which is a 18 and over, fullyconfidential, frank, open
conversation about adult topics.
Mm-hmm.
this is a, so we zoom meetingthese, these aren't live meetings.
Yeah.
This is Zoom, right?
This is a Zoom meeting.
They're not recorded.
There's no.
, you know, there's norecord of any of this.
(21:02):
It's just a, a private safe spacefor people to talk about issues
like sexuality, like, use ofrecreational or spiritual drugs.
Mm-hmm.
like, you know, other sorts of Maybetrans inducing or altered state inducing
kinds of activities those kinds of things.
And we always havefantastic conversations.
(21:22):
So that's the first Saturday.
Of every month.
Mm-hmm.
, and it starts at 3:30 PM Pacifictime and goes for two hours.
So that's another thing youcan do if you're interested
in participating in that.
We have really supportivegreat people who.
Who have a lot to say andreally interesting resources.
(21:44):
We've talked about relationship formats,like open relationships and polyamory.
We've talked about kink andand that whole community.
We, we just, we've talkedabout lots of stuff.
So there's that.
This month coming up on the 15th.
Is an open mic that's being organizedby our community member, Cena, which
(22:08):
is an opportunity for people to presentmusic or poetry or writing or, you
know, an artwork or whatever that is.
It's, it's just comedy.
Mm-hmm.
, It's just, it's just an open mic formembers of the community to come out
and it's, it's another Zoom event.
And we'll put the, the informationabout these into the show notes.
(22:31):
Right?
So we can, so we, so you, you canfigure out how to get to these things.
. That's all I can think of right now.
Obviously we have theconference coming up in June.
Is there an active bookclub at the moment?
No, but the book club wassupposed to get active again
after the beginning of the year.
(22:53):
Mm-hmm.
, so they took a break.
So it might be op it might bestarting up again soon that Yes.
It might be starting up right around now.
Mm-hmm.
, The book club is calledthe AP Book, book Club.
It's a group on Facebook.
Mm-hmm.
. If you don't do Facebook I think there'sanother way to contact the administrator
(23:17):
that you can find on the list of affinitygroups on the Ethiopian Society website.
All this sounds kind of complicated, butwe've got a lot going on . We do well,
and one of the things we talked aboutthat we should hopefully be starting
with our next newsletter is that we'regoing to compile what we know about.
(23:40):
For each coming month.
Now things sometimes pop up and, and getcreated kind of on the spot, but we're
gonna start putting a calendar togetherthat goes out with the newsletter as
well, so people can, can have a littlebit of warning for that and kind of plan
around it if they're interested in it.
Right.
There's another event coming up onthe 22nd, which will be a bipo mix.
(24:05):
. So black indigenous people of color.
Mm-hmm.
mixer that's being organized bya community member named Lauren.
Mm-hmm.
. And I think the idea there is that ifthere's turnout an interest, that will
probably turn into an affinity group.
Hmm.
But you know, she wanted to start outjust by having a gathering and, you
(24:25):
know, having people say, Hey, Yeah.
How do we feel about this?
What do we want to do?
Mm-hmm.
. So that's another one.
That should go into thecalendar and the, the notes.
Right.
And there was a recovering fromreligion Affinity Group too, right?
Yes.
That changed its name.
(24:46):
It's now the peer support.
Okay.
And it's a separate Facebook groupand they have separate events.
They're meeting on the first andthird Sundays of every month, and it's
basically for people that need anykind of support, whether they're in
recovery or deconstructing from, youknow, religious trauma, whatever it is.
(25:10):
Mm-hmm.
Okay.
You know, you're, it's therefor, for community support.
Thank you for reminding me of that.
The keeping track of everythingis, is getting difficult.
There's a lot going on.
Yeah, there is.
But I was saying in the mixerthis morning, you know, it's
not that big of a surprise.
When you put this many peopletogether, things will happen.
(25:31):
Mm-hmm.
, right?
People will say, Hey, I'm interestedin a thing and someone over there
will go, well, I'm interested inthat thing, . And the next thing you
know, there's a, a gathering happen.
Yeah, now, now there's aneven bigger thing, so, right.
Yeah.
. Yeah, there's, this is just a reallyexciting time, really excited for
(25:53):
everything that has been happeningin the community and the year to come
and just seeing what unfolds and justfeeling a lot of gratitude right now.
So, yeah.
Yeah.
I should also mention that theatheopagan Society Council, which
is the board of directors of thenonprofit religious organization is
(26:15):
in the process of doing a strategicplan for the next two to three years.
So we are, we're in the process of, ofidentifying some prioritized goals mm-hmm.
and figuring out how we'regoing to get to those.
. And in our first couple of years wedidn't do that because we were just
getting our legs underneath us anddoing the procedural things to get
(26:37):
legal and all that kind of stuff.
Stuff.
Tax documents and Right.
All of that stuff.
Yeah.
Yep.
And, and we did all that.
And we are official and legal and so nowwe're gonna plan what we're gonna do.
Yep.
To support this community andprovide resources and experiences.
That will be useful to people.
(26:58):
Mm-hmm.
. So, you know, lots of, lotsof parallel tracks going on
in the community at this time.
Very exciting.
Very exciting.
Mm-hmm.
Well, so, oh, go ahead.
I was just gonna do kindof a wrap up, but go ahead.
We had talked about putting someof the old podcasts up on YouTube.
(27:23):
Yes.
And we're gonna do that, butprobably not all of them.
Yeah.
We're, we're gonna pick some that we thinkare really kind of the greatest hits.
Right.
And put those up on YouTube over time.
We don't want to, you know, do this huge.
Influx of content all at oncewhere people will get overwhelmed.
(27:44):
Yeah.
We don't just dump everything.
Right.
But we have had some really greatepisodes and wanna make those available
to our YouTube listeners as well.
Right.
So, and it'll, it, you know, it'sgonna take a little bit of time
for me to go back through and Sure.
You know, put it.
Take the audio and put it in with theimage and a video and all of that.
(28:07):
But moving forward, all thenew episodes will just be
publishing them at the same time.
Mm-hmm.
that we upload for the podcast, we'llupload a video version of it as well.
Mm-hmm.
. Yeah.
Yeah.
That's so great and I reallyappreciate all the technical stuff
that you do for us on that Yucca.
I mean, I know how to upload a YouTubevideo and I know how to edit a little bit,
(28:31):
but it's very painful, . It's not an, it'snot an easy and slick process with me.
It's sort of, oh, I forgot how to do this.
Oh, that's how you do this?
That's right.
Okay.
And then on to the next thing.
Well, and then they change it constantly.
They're always changing it, andthen you have to relearn it.
(28:53):
Yeah.
So, yep.
Well, okay, everyone hope your2023 is starting out really well.
Mm-hmm.
, and that if you're in theNorthern hemisphere, you're
staying dry and warm and cozy.
In a couple of weeks is the Demi Sabbathslog, on the third Saturday of the
(29:15):
month, which I believe is the 21st.
Let's make sure to talk about Slogbefore the, before it comes up.
We will, we'll talk about, we've talkedabout it before in the past, but it's,
it's just too fun not to bring up.
Yes.
So, be sure to pull your festivehats out of out of storage, and and
(29:35):
we'll talk more about Slog next week,but, Just wanna make sure everybody
remembers to have some festivity andjoy, even when it's gray and, and
cold water is coming out of the sky.
Yep.
Alright, so thank you everybody.
Thanks.
See you next week.
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