September 11, 2024 • 38 mins
Jesse recalls his experience in the barracks during 9/11. Thomas Massie calls out the political theater that is the congressional budget talks. A continuing resolution should be illegal. Brandon Darby tell us just who is coming over the border. How does the Italian mob compare to the mobs coming over from near-failed States.
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Speaker 1 (00:11):
This is the Jesse Kelly Show. It is the Jesse
Kelly Show. Another hour of the Jesse Kelly Show. I'm
gonna talk a little bit of nine to eleven here
in a moment. Brandon Darby's gonna join us half hour
from now. Do a lot of gang talk, cartel talk,
border talks, and stats in the news. And he always
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tells us stuff we didn't know before. That some emails
the House of Representatives definitely about to screw us. Over
All that and so much more coming up this hour
on the world famous Jesse Kelly Show. And a reminder
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whatever you want. So set aside all the politics for
a moment. And I thought it would probably be appropriate,
because today is September eleventh, to just talk about that
day briefly, what that day was for me. I know,
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we all have our own stories. If you're old enough,
you remember and you can remember details about that day.
It's crazy, and I never really got when my folks
or I would have uncles or someone who would talk
about the JFK assassination, and they would talk about I
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remember where I was, I was in school, I was working,
and they would remember it. And until nine to eleven happened.
I didn't get that at all because there had there
been huge events in my lifetime, huge events, but none
of them stopped time, and none of them seared their
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way into my memory that I can tell you. I mean,
I can remember, well, here it was, Here's what I
was doing. I was not one of those extremely brave
souls who went to join the military after nine to eleven.
I was already in. I had already joined. I joined
in two thousand, so I've been in for a year.
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I was an infantry marine in twenty nine Palms, California,
and we went on a long pt run that morning,
just a long run, calisthenics, the standard Marine Corps stuff.
There's stuff, nothing that would surprise you. But we're out
running all over like we always did. And we got
back to be we were in front of our barracks.
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You know the barracks. It's a dorm. Just think of
it like a dorm. A lot lot crappier, but it's
a dorm. So you'll all have rooms and you have roommates.
It's the barracks and we're in front of the barracks.
That's where we stopped our run, and we're stretched in
doing some exercises, and word came down. Get up to
your room now and turn on the television. Oh, i'd
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been getting I'd been given a lot of orders since
in my one year in the Marine Corps. Everyone was
always ordering you to do something because you're not in
charge of anything. I'd never been told to watch TV.
But okay, we knew something was up. But we all
ran up to the barracks. We're all sweaty, sandy, dirty,
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and we turned on the television. It was CNN actually,
and when we turned it on, they must have caught
us right when it happened, because when we turned it on,
only one tower had been hit. The second tower hadn't
even been hit. And maybe maybe you were more in
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the know than we were at the time, but initially
we were very confused. We were confused about what had happened.
We were confus us why we needed to be in
the barracks watching the television, because to us, the prevailing
theory in a room full of meathead Marines was some
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did somebody get drunk and fly their plane into a tower,
you know, like a drunk driver, a drunk pilot. Hey,
who's the moron who couldn't see the World Trade Center
when he's in a plane. That was our first thought,
and we're all talking, how could this have happened? You
don't think a terror attack was brought up? Someone said, no,
that's gotta be intentional. Yeah, I guess I could see that,
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but we didn't have any idea. We didn't have any idea.
We were watching and as we're watching it live. We
watched live as that second airliner slammed into the second tower. Okay, well,
obviously then we understood this was a coordinated terror attack.
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And I don't want to act like we were okay with it,
because we were not. We were angry. I'll screw these
guys the whole we hunt them down. We were angry.
But it was certainly nothing visceral. It was No, it
wasn't as bad as you would think now in hindsight,
because the towers hadn't fallen yet. So to us, we're
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watching on the screen and we just see the Trade
center buildings, both of them had big holes in them,
and it's bad. And we know people are dead obviously,
and that's bad. We're mad about that, but nothing world changing.
And then the first tower fell. I'll never forget it
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as long as I live. We were the room was dead, silent,
we'd been talking the entire time, and the tower just fell.
And you remember, if you've ever seen a video of it,
which I'm sure everyone has by now, there was so
much dust and smoke and debris as it fell. It
was almost it was almost as if you're watching the
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top of the tower. Not almost, it was you're watching
the top of the tower and there's this huge brown
gray smoke around it, and you just slowly watched the
top of the tower sink down into the smoke, and
you know it's gone. And we're mortified. We're because everyone
everyone's doing the math in their head. How many freaking
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people just died in that tower? A lot? And we're confused.
I don't understand how did it fall? Which we know
all that now. And then the second tower fell, and
you know, I'm not much of a feely person, just
not big on that. It's not who I am. I
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guess probably how I was raised, whatever I had tears
coming down my face of rage. We were we wanted
to kill somebody so bad that day. We wanted to
kill everybody. They eventually were sitting there, we're taking it
all in. What was her name, Paula's I think was
her name, Paula Zon was on CNN Blonde Chick, and
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she was despondent and she was bringing the news. And
then eventually they said, hey, get down to battalion headquarters.
Battalion commander wants to see you, so our entire battalion.
We scramble. We get down to battalion headquarters and he
calls us all in and he says, hey, I haven't
been told anything about a deployment anywhere. I don't know
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where we're going. I don't know if we're going, I
don't know what we're doing. But what I do know
is be ready, get yourself ready, because we might very
well get a call to go somewhere after what happened today.
And we wanted to so badly. It was all we wanted.
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Just let me kill somebody for this. And I know
that sounds terrible. I don't give a crap how it sounds.
That's how we felt. We were a bunch of young
patriotic Marines, and we wanted to go murder everyone who
had anything to do with the thing. That's how we felt.
That was our feeling of the day. And of course
we didn't get that call, not at first, not for
a while. Afghanistan kicked off. And remember at the beginning
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of that, that was really the that was really the
true best part of the global War on Terror, because
we were hunting in Osama bin Laden and anyone who
did that to America. We used to do this kind
of thing should be hunted down and killed in their sleep,
and that's what we were doing. In fact, we almost
had him in Afghanistan. I won't go into all the
details of that, but we sent Cia was there, Green Berets,
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all the super hot guys, you know, the Bekays of
the world, the Bekays of the world. They were there
trying to hunt down that guy and kill him. It
wasn't for okay, let me see September eleventh, two thousand
and one, I think it was March of twenty twenty three.
February or March of twenty twenty three is when we
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declared war on Iraq. And that's when my unit went
in Now we were in Kuwait before that, but it
was not a couple years. It was a year and
a half until we actually went somewhere. And I'll just
never forget that day. And I know you have your
own stories, felt like it was probably important on this
day to tell mine. I will leave you with this.
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I'm not leaving you. We're going to keep talking about stuff.
I want to talk about the mail in stuff. We're
going to just go back to Springfield. We're not gonna
let this stuff go. We have a couple other things
we need to go into. But in New York City,
they have created a nine to eleven memorial Museum. Now
you already know that I love New York City. Love
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you WLR, but I love New York City. You already
know that. But maybe you hate it. Maybe I have
no use for the big city. You're worried about crime
and all those things are valid. That's totally fine. You
know how people say you should go to Washington, d c.
Once to see the monuments and the memorials, and I
agree with that. I agree you should go visit. Don't stay,
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give yourself three four days, go see it all and
leave it. Don't come back if you ever have the opportunity.
I know money doesn't grow on trees, and I know
New York City might not be right next to you.
The nine eleven Memorial Museum is one of those things
you should do. You should do if you're in town
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for a wedding, for business, for take an hour, take
two and go to the nine eleven Memorial Museum. It
is so well done. And if you have children who
maybe are too young to understand the impact of this,
as I do. My boys are sixteen and fourteen. They
weren't even alive or sixteen and fifteen. Sorry, Luke, my
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boys are sixteen and fifteen. They what do they know
about nine to eleven? About snarky jokes they see online?
It's not real to them, and why would it be
the too young? It was real to them. By the
time we walked out of that memorial it was real
to them. So just the little heads up that's worth
going to. Also, I made the well, I made a
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horrible mistake on the show last night. I'll explain what
mistake I made in a moment. Before I say that,
let's talk about IFCJ the International Fellowship of Christians and Jews.
I just want you to understand something. There are places
in the world where you need a bulletproof ambulance to
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guarantee you can get from your home to the hospital.
That's what it's like for people over there. You need
an ambulance that can withstand AK forty seven rounds so
you can get to the hospital. And on October seventh,
a lot of people died in ambulances. Samask guys were
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killing everybody they could find, but a lot of ambulances
were able to make it to the hospitals and save
lives because they were armored. And how do you think
they got those armored ambulances? The International Fellowship of Christians
and Jews, the IFCJ. Go support them, Go stand in
solidarity with them, Support IFCJ dot org. It's all one
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word support IFCJ dot org. We'll be back truth attitude.
Jesse Kelly, it is the Jesse Kelly Show on a Wednesday.
I hope they remember. If you miss any part of
the show, you can download the whole thing on iHeart,
on Spotify, on iTunes. Brandon Darby of The Cartel Chronicles
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joins us, about ten minutes from now this Venezuelan gang.
Are there other gangs. Are they merging or fighting with
American gangs. We're going to talk to Brandon about all
this stuff about ten minutes from now. I apparently screwed
up big time last night on the show, and now
I need to own it. I need to get it
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out there. I called my mother on the way home
last night because it was my mother's birthday, and she
appreciated the call, and then she asked me, very appointedly,
did you wish me happy birthday on your show. I
didn't hear it, so it's not funny, Chris, it's not funny. Mom.
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Mom was upset because Mom did not get a shout
out on the show. I made the terrible mistake of
trying to explain to her that people probably care a
little bit more about debate stuff and you know, national
security stuff. I tried. I tried to baby step as
best I could, explaining to her that her birthday isn't
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necessarily national news, not really something that matters to everybody.
But she was not very receptive to that at all.
She did not understand. So happy birthday, Mom. It's day late,
but I just want everyone to know it was my
mom's birthday last night. Happy Birthday. Mom. All right there there,
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I said it. I said it. We're good now. One
last word on the nine to eleven stuff. This is
why I adore Tunnel to Towers so much that you know,
that's when I talk to you all the time about
Tunnel to Towers. You know, that's when they started. That's
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when they started. It couldn't possibly be more personal for
the Siller family. They started Tunnel to Towers because well,
that's the day firemen and cops, first responders everywhere ran
into the danger and died. And they died in droves.
One of the things you'll see at that nine to
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eleven Memorial Museum. You'll see a million things there, but
firehouses there were pretty much entire firehouses were eliminated because
everyone got on duty, strapped it on, charged in and died.
So we're talking firehouses that were just emptied. Cops too,
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and Tunnel to Towers from that day has dedicated themselves
to trying to care for those who are left behind
when a firefighter dies, when a cop dies, when a
soldier dies. Tunnel to Towers has been there, and I
just really appreciate this organization. I love them. I have
always loved them. I've done events with them where they
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read the names of every everyone who died in Iraq
or Afghanistan. I just it's a wonderful organization that doesn't
rip people off. I love them and that's all I
wanted to say. And you should support them. It's worthy
of your support. Eleven bucks a month. You've heard me
say it a million times. Eleven bucks a month is
what they ask for tumber two T dot org T
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two t dot org. So probably worth your time and
certainly worth your money. They do amazing work. Enough of that,
Enough of that for now, Thomas Massey speaking of amazing
One of the really, really good people we have in Congress.
Thomas Massey's getting us all prepped and ready for what
I've already told you is coming.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
And we'll be honest with the American people about what's
going on here. This is political theater. I'm going to
call out both sides right here. It's all posturing as
fake fighting. We all know where it ends up. This
is Groundhog Day. I don't care if the Democrat is
the speaker or Republican is the speaker. We always get
a CR in September and then we get an omnibus.
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Sometimes there's a twist on that we might get the
Omnibus before Christmas, but if we're not good, it comes
after Christmas.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
But that's what's going to happen.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
And in the meantime it's political theater.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
I don't want to bring you down, but they're going
to pass a continuing resolution Mike Johnson today, earlier today
he tabled it for now, so it won't happen this week.
We'll deal with this next week. But Republicans are making
a bunch of noise about the Save Act that doesn't
really do anything either. I want to remind you that
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a continuing resolution in and of itself is illegal. There
should never be a continuing resolution that is reserved for
emergency purposes. We are in the middle of World War three.
We don't have time for a budget fight. Just keep
spending it. Congress has an obligation to come up with
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a budget and have a budget fight the public can
see when the public can argue over And because none
of these pieces of trash want to be held to
account for what they're doing with your money, this is
your money and your children's money, none of them want
to be held to account for it. So now the
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CR The continuing resolution is just what they do every time.
It's a way of saying, well, let's just keep doing
what we were doing. Then you never have to be
held account for the billions and billion, forget billions, for
the trillions of dollars of your money. The government is
tearing through And I just want to drive this point home,
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which you already know, but you have to get this
through to norm and norma and pound and pound, and
don't stop pounding this point home. Every dime Washington spends
now makes the cost of the things in your life
go up another billion here, a ten billion here, a
fifty billion there. It's not just nothing. It's the reason
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you can afford eggs. It's the reason you can't afford
a house. It's the reason the value of your dollar
continues to go down, down down. Washington spending did that
to you, and none of the people in charge want
to do anything about it. That's a fact. And they're
gonna do that Save Act, the Save Act. As if
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the Save Act is even something you could implement. It's
September eleventh, the election is less than two months away. Ridiculous,
and we won't get the Save Act anyway. Ridiculous. Mike
Johnson's probably already grabbing his ankles, getting ready for the
whole thing. Brandon Darby joins us talk Cartel stuff. Next,
what feeling a little stocky? Follow like and subscribe on
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social at Jesse Kelly's show. It is the Jesse Kelly
Show on a Wednesday. I don't know who that band is.
Chris did Darby pick that song? That's a dude has
a good voice? Joining me now? Bright bart Cartel Chronicles.
You know he's your one stop shop for everything Border Cartel.
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And if you've been hearing the name Trende Orragua in
the news recently, guess where you heard it first? From
Brandon Darby's mouth a long time ago. First of all, Brandon,
what is that ben? That dude sounded good?
Speaker 3 (20:21):
It's a guy named Danzig and it's a trying when
it was it's from the eighties of the early nineties
or something, and it just popped out of my mouth
when he asked me what song I would it. Usually
he picks kind of gay eighties songs, and he picks them.
It's what he likes to hear when he hears when
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I'm on air, So I don't know what's going on
with him. I don't know, but that's okay. I support him.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
I don't care.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
It's all good. Like it's not my business, you know,
it's none of my business. But that's between him and God,
him and whomever.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
Yeah, no, Chris, you hear that you love who you love.
We're all with you, buddy anyway. Brandon, I'm certainly you're
You're a much better person than I am. So I
know you're not celebrating the fact that you called the
whole trendy Arragua thing. But it generally is bad for
a nation to import an entire prison gang from another country,
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and it's not working out well for us.
Speaker 3 (21:19):
It is not working out well. And I'm sad that
I'm correct, that I was correct, But you know, that's
what we do is we monitor transnational criminal organizations. And
they started showing up, and once they started showing up
in droves, we tried to alert the public and say, hey,
these guys are coming. This is going to be a
name that all of you will hear in the months
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to come. Give it six months and you're all going
to hear this. And I think that was about right.
And now they're all over the news, and you know,
I think it's quite concerning, but they're not the only
criminal gang who's being imported into our country, you know,
like when you have you know, let's just be really
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clear what we're talking about. During the Biden administration, in
the last four years, right, not even quite four years,
they have had over ten million people, right, call them
the legal aliens. I think migrants a better term for
some of them, illegal alien for others, depending on how
they got here and what have you. They had over
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ten million people show up at our border illicitly, with
another two million that the US government reports were got aways,
meaning that they have traces that they came or they
saw them come in, but they couldn't get them. So
they have twelve million people who have come across in
this administration. That is a lot of people, man. And
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I am as sympathetic as the next guy to workers
into people I've you know, worked with when I was
a teenager who worked on farms or ranches, ranches. In
my case, I'm very sympathetic. I understand why they come.
But here's the problem. Those kind of people who are
good people are not the only ones coming. Right, Let's
be very clear, even if if the numbers hold true,
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that five percent of any group, whether it's native border
or people who show up illicitly across our border are criminals, right,
which I think the numbers actually higher in that case
when it comes to people who show up illicitly across
our border are hardened criminals. Even that would mean that
we have imported, you know, hundreds of thousands of people
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into our country who are hardened criminals who should not
be here. So despite the fact that millions of them
might be nice people who are trying to work, and
not that even if they are nice people trying to work,
we have problems there too, right Like the state of
texasm it's public education system. It is the dirtiest thing
I've ever heard. I will sit with liberal friends, some
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of whom are teachers, and they will talk about how
there's not enough money in the public school system. They
need more money in the public school system the properly
educate kids. And in the same breast they'll talk about
the fact that it's okay that hundreds of thousands of
students are showing up in the middle of the school
year who are non English speaking right into our public
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school system, and it's like, well, you can't have both.
Do we have do we have the resources to help
these hundreds of thousands of kids who are showing up
in the middle of the school year from across our border,
or do you not have enough money? Because if you
do the math and you're intellectually consistent, you're admitting that
we are taking away from the US taxpayer, in the
Texan taxpayer, we are taking away from those kids' education
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to fund the educations of hundreds of thousands of people
from other places. And that's you know, things get things
get dicey, very sympathetic. I understand why people come, but
at the same time, let's be very clear we have problems.
That's too many people. I mean, this is out of control.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
Speaking with Brandon Darby Cartel Chronicles, Brandon, you mentioned you
may mentioned trendy Aragua. Obviously they're all in the news now,
even though I heard it from you first. But they're
They're not the only one who are the others?
Speaker 3 (25:11):
Oh well, there's a okay, So Venezuela the way that
Venezuela is kind of structured. When you go I had
to get into the weeds with everybody. When Yugo Chaves
took over, and you had what they called the peaceful revolution.
Right Chavez took over. Uh, he was this rabid leftist
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military guy, Hugo Shavas. What he did, what his administration did,
was he basically took the dominant criminal groups because those
were also the revolutionary groups, right, there's that fine line
between revolutionary and organized criminal. He took the dominant criminal
groups in every every Venezuelan state and he basically organized
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them and brought them into his administration to help him
run them barrios in these states. So that is how
he kept order and enforced his will in these barrios,
which comprise millions of people in each Venezuelan state. That
is what he did. So each of those states. Trendy
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Arragua is just the dominant criminal group in Ragua, right,
But we have other Venezuelan states and those criminal groups
are coming to On top of that, we're still having
MS thirteen go back and forth. There's tons of what
they call street gangs who are coming into this country.
We have tons of them who are here. We have
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many that we you know with MS thirteen, Remember it
was people who came here and then as we deported
them they had become gang members here, and as we
deported them, that spread the gangs back to their native
countries right in Central America. So this is this illicit.
You know, if you want people to come here, and
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you want everyone world to be able to come here,
then you need to campaign for laws that allow that
to happen legally and legitimately. But you can't just say,
you know, to hell with your laws, We're going to
find in runs around it and just let everybody show
up and stay. You can't do it. When you do
it that way, you end up with what we're seeing.
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So tons of criminal groups are coming in and it's
very hard to keep up with it. It's difficult to
keep up with the sheer numbers of different gangs who
have arrived in our country because of an unsecured and
improperly secured border.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
Brandon, why aren't they at war yet? Or are they?
And I just don't see it with our home grown
criminal organizations be it. I don't care what level of
organized crime you want to go to, from the Italian
mafia to the freaking you name it, the crips, I
don't care who it is. Why are they not warring
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with each other because there's only so many drugs and
prostitutes to go around.
Speaker 3 (28:04):
Well they actually are, So what we're seeing is what
we like, we go to Chicago. This is something I
started covering and I think twenty ten or twenty eleven,
and what I was doing was I was just getting
on pacer, which is a site that you can download
court transcripts and court documents right back in the past.
And I would get there and I would I would
see some news release about gang members charged in Chicago
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for murder, and then I would read through the transcripts
and all the court documents. It would take me a
day or two, and usually fourteen or fifteen page fourteen
or fifteen or transcripts or indictments. There would be sub
mentioned that they were acting at the you know, under
the orders of somewhat a criminal group in Mexico, and
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I'm like, how come that's not in the news, right?
So I started writing about these groups. So what's going
to happen is they're not going to take over and
become challengers to you know, very drug cartel from Mexico.
What they're going to do is they're going to become
allies and we're going to have what we already have.
We have some US street gangs who are working or
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who are allied with Lossettas or CDN. We have some
who are allied with the Golf Cartel. We have some
who are allied with various factions of Sinaloa. And what
we're going to see is Trained de Arragua ultimately start
to ally with wherever they are. So you'll have is
you have some people in Trained de Arragua in California
who who are with, you know, the Tijuana Cartel. You
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have some who will align with, you know, various Sinaloa groups.
You'll have some in Texas who are aligned with Zetto's
and some who are aligned with whatever. And even though
they're they're the same gang, they're going to ultimately, you know,
regionally operate on behalf of these Mexico based transnitional criminal groups.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
He is Brandon Darby. Brandon, I hate to ask, because
I didn't ask you beforehand. Feel free to say no,
do you think you could stay on? I just have
a couple other quick questions I wanted to ask you.
I would love to all right, we will be right back,
Brandon Darby gonna dig into this stuff just a little
bit more hang on truth attitude. Jesse Kelly. It is
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the Jesse Kelly Show on a Wednesday, digging into all
things cartel, street gang trend a a rag while with
my friend Brandon Darby, of course, of the cartel chronicles.
If you're not reading the stuff Darby does, you just
don't know. You don't know what's going on with the
border and immigration and stuff like that. Okay, Brandon, So
I want to ask about our own more traditional criminal
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organizations here and where they fit into all this, and
more specifically, I want to ask about the Italian mafia.
Where are they when it comes to working with the
cartels with street gangs. I know they contract out with
street gangs to do killings, but I know there's also
rivalries there or is the Italian mafia is so shattered
it's just nothing, it's all cartel stuff now.
Speaker 3 (31:03):
I think it's largely shattered. I think if we were
to go up north, obviously there's there's probably you know,
trash or refuse rackets and construction rackets and all kinds
of other things going on in New York City. And
but you look at a city like Philadelphia and they
just got decimated, right, So you know Michael Francis who's
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a former boss in the you know, the Italian Mob.
He Italian American Mob is a better accurate, more accurate description.
He talks about that, and they're just they decimated their
way of life with you know, with Rico statutes. They
decimated their way of life. And when people are facing
life in prison or a nice cushy life on the
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witness Protection program to tell on some other people, they
generally picked tell on other people because they picked people,
pick their wife and their kids over you know, some
chubby guy named Vito who killed people. Right, They're always
going to do that. And there's a couple of exceptions.
I think Michael Francis's father didn't, but most of them
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will turn and become States evidence. And they've just the
US authorities decimated the mob. They're much more formal, but
in that same sense, US authorities have decimated some Mexican cartels. Right,
So if we look at Loetas, especially the Golf cartel,
there are they powerful, yeah, but really what they are
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is you have some factions of the Golf cartel who
work with the Sinaloa cartel. You have some factions who
work with with Losettas. You know, CDN, you have some
factions who work with Cartel Jalisco. And even though these
groups are at war with each other, sometimes different golf
cartel groups are at war. And we've talked about this before,
Like for many years, US border security, especially when it
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came to terrorism, really relied on this notion that these
cartels would not allow transnational tears right like international terrorists
to cross our border because they realized it would really
shut down our border and ultimately hurt their ability to
make profits with drugs. But then as the US government
and the Mexican government started going after the heads of
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these cartels, what they were left with is a bunch
of young guys who don't care about tomorrow, don't care
about long term profit sustainability within their drug trade, who
will just do whatever they can to make a quick
buck today. And that that makes for a very dangerous
criminal organization. When they don't care about tomorrow, they have
no concern for it because they're young and they're dumb
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in their own cocaine or whatever they're doing, it makes
for a very dangerous situation. So I think that's kind
of you know, the mob being more formal, I kind
of Liken. It back to wars in the past versus
wars now. In the past, you know, if the leadership
of the nation wanted to surrender, generally the nation surrendered. Nowadays,
if the leadership was to surrender, groups of people in
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the country don't care. Decentralize it. It takes the Irish
Republican Army army model and just they break into splinter
groups and still do attacks and terror attacks, and it
doesn't matter what the formal government does.
Speaker 1 (34:10):
Well.
Speaker 3 (34:11):
With the Italian mob, it's been more like a formal government.
They've they've kind of taken a back seat to things
with these groups from south of our border. The more
you take out the leadership, the more fragmented these criminal
groups become. And they don't stop so like a hydro.
Speaker 1 (34:31):
So we should leave the leadership alone.
Speaker 3 (34:34):
No, no, I don't think we should leave the leadership alone.
I'm in favor of doubling down, tripling down, quadrupling down,
and just it's like you want to keep going, Let's
keep going. That's what I'm in favor of. I'm also
in favor of looking at the root causes. I don't
want to sound like Obama here, but looking at the
things that lead people to this. Right, Like, let's be
really clear, when when we fuel transnational criminal organizations in
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south of Texas, when we have policies that allow them
to make hundreds of millions of dollars right and fuel
themselves these criminal groups by bringing migrants to our border
or legal aliens or what the hell you want to
call them to our border, and we're fueling the very
things that are causing people to flee in the first place, right,
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causing the corruption in the first place. When we do that,
we are in fact exacerbating the problem when we allow Mexico,
when we try to treat Mexico, which is listed by
all world bodies as a failing nation, ex excuse me,
a fragile state. Not failing yet, it's one step above failing.
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Are failed. It's a fragile state that has over half
of its territory under the control of transnational paramilitary criminal organizations.
A nation that when they want to do a federal
police action, they have to use their military because these
groups are so powerful with RPGs and every bit of
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weaponry that the Mexican government has. When we're dealing with
that nation, if we continue to treat them like they are,
like their government is somehow equal to us, like we
deal with them like we're dealing with England, or like UK,
or like we're dealing with Canada, or like we're dealing
with Japan, and we treat them that way, we are
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in fact turning a blind eye to them. So I'm
in favor of being very aggressive. I'm in favor of
not waiting for the approval of Mexico's drug cartel connected
leadership and just doing what we need to do to
protect our citizens in Mexico. That's where I come from,
so I'm in a very different position. So no, I
do not think that we should stop getting the heads
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of cartels. I do, however, think that we half measures
are why we where we are. If we left them alone,
we'd be better off than where we are. I think
we'd be the best off long term if we took
them out by so to speak. You know, but the
half measures is where the trouble really comes in.
Speaker 1 (37:07):
Yeah, as is often the case, Brandon Darby, you are
the best, my brother, Thank you so much. Come back
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This is the Jesse Kelly Show. It is the Jesse
Kelly Show. Another hour of the Jesse Kelly Show. I'm
gonna talk a little bit of nine to eleven here
in a moment. Brandon Darby's gonna join us half hour
from now. Do a lot of gang talk, cartel talk,
border talks, and stats in the news. And he always
(00:32):
tells us stuff we didn't know before. That some emails
the House of Representatives definitely about to screw us. Over
All that and so much more coming up this hour
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all fine. Ask doctor Jesse questions for Friday, send in
whatever you want. So set aside all the politics for
a moment. And I thought it would probably be appropriate,
because today is September eleventh, to just talk about that
day briefly, what that day was for me. I know,
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we all have our own stories. If you're old enough,
you remember and you can remember details about that day.
It's crazy, and I never really got when my folks
or I would have uncles or someone who would talk
about the JFK assassination, and they would talk about I
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remember where I was, I was in school, I was working,
and they would remember it. And until nine to eleven happened.
I didn't get that at all because there had there
been huge events in my lifetime, huge events, but none
of them stopped time, and none of them seared their
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way into my memory that I can tell you. I mean,
I can remember, well, here it was, Here's what I
was doing. I was not one of those extremely brave
souls who went to join the military after nine to eleven.
I was already in. I had already joined. I joined
in two thousand, so I've been in for a year.
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I was an infantry marine in twenty nine Palms, California,
and we went on a long pt run that morning,
just a long run, calisthenics, the standard Marine Corps stuff.
There's stuff, nothing that would surprise you. But we're out
running all over like we always did. And we got
back to be we were in front of our barracks.
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You know the barracks. It's a dorm. Just think of
it like a dorm. A lot lot crappier, but it's
a dorm. So you'll all have rooms and you have roommates.
It's the barracks and we're in front of the barracks.
That's where we stopped our run, and we're stretched in
doing some exercises, and word came down. Get up to
your room now and turn on the television. Oh, i'd
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been getting I'd been given a lot of orders since
in my one year in the Marine Corps. Everyone was
always ordering you to do something because you're not in
charge of anything. I'd never been told to watch TV.
But okay, we knew something was up. But we all
ran up to the barracks. We're all sweaty, sandy, dirty,
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and we turned on the television. It was CNN actually,
and when we turned it on, they must have caught
us right when it happened, because when we turned it on,
only one tower had been hit. The second tower hadn't
even been hit. And maybe maybe you were more in
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the know than we were at the time, but initially
we were very confused. We were confused about what had happened.
We were confus us why we needed to be in
the barracks watching the television, because to us, the prevailing
theory in a room full of meathead Marines was some
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did somebody get drunk and fly their plane into a tower,
you know, like a drunk driver, a drunk pilot. Hey,
who's the moron who couldn't see the World Trade Center
when he's in a plane. That was our first thought,
and we're all talking, how could this have happened? You
don't think a terror attack was brought up? Someone said, no,
that's gotta be intentional. Yeah, I guess I could see that,
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but we didn't have any idea. We didn't have any idea.
We were watching and as we're watching it live. We
watched live as that second airliner slammed into the second tower. Okay, well,
obviously then we understood this was a coordinated terror attack.
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And I don't want to act like we were okay with it,
because we were not. We were angry. I'll screw these
guys the whole we hunt them down. We were angry.
But it was certainly nothing visceral. It was No, it
wasn't as bad as you would think now in hindsight,
because the towers hadn't fallen yet. So to us, we're
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watching on the screen and we just see the Trade
center buildings, both of them had big holes in them,
and it's bad. And we know people are dead obviously,
and that's bad. We're mad about that, but nothing world changing.
And then the first tower fell. I'll never forget it
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as long as I live. We were the room was dead, silent,
we'd been talking the entire time, and the tower just fell.
And you remember, if you've ever seen a video of it,
which I'm sure everyone has by now, there was so
much dust and smoke and debris as it fell. It
was almost it was almost as if you're watching the
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top of the tower. Not almost, it was you're watching
the top of the tower and there's this huge brown
gray smoke around it, and you just slowly watched the
top of the tower sink down into the smoke, and
you know it's gone. And we're mortified. We're because everyone
everyone's doing the math in their head. How many freaking
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people just died in that tower? A lot? And we're confused.
I don't understand how did it fall? Which we know
all that now. And then the second tower fell, and
you know, I'm not much of a feely person, just
not big on that. It's not who I am. I
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guess probably how I was raised, whatever I had tears
coming down my face of rage. We were we wanted
to kill somebody so bad that day. We wanted to
kill everybody. They eventually were sitting there, we're taking it
all in. What was her name, Paula's I think was
her name, Paula Zon was on CNN Blonde Chick, and
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she was despondent and she was bringing the news. And
then eventually they said, hey, get down to battalion headquarters.
Battalion commander wants to see you, so our entire battalion.
We scramble. We get down to battalion headquarters and he
calls us all in and he says, hey, I haven't
been told anything about a deployment anywhere. I don't know
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where we're going. I don't know if we're going, I
don't know what we're doing. But what I do know
is be ready, get yourself ready, because we might very
well get a call to go somewhere after what happened today.
And we wanted to so badly. It was all we wanted.
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Just let me kill somebody for this. And I know
that sounds terrible. I don't give a crap how it sounds.
That's how we felt. We were a bunch of young
patriotic Marines, and we wanted to go murder everyone who
had anything to do with the thing. That's how we felt.
That was our feeling of the day. And of course
we didn't get that call, not at first, not for
a while. Afghanistan kicked off. And remember at the beginning
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of that, that was really the that was really the
true best part of the global War on Terror, because
we were hunting in Osama bin Laden and anyone who
did that to America. We used to do this kind
of thing should be hunted down and killed in their sleep,
and that's what we were doing. In fact, we almost
had him in Afghanistan. I won't go into all the
details of that, but we sent Cia was there, Green Berets,
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all the super hot guys, you know, the Bekays of
the world, the Bekays of the world. They were there
trying to hunt down that guy and kill him. It
wasn't for okay, let me see September eleventh, two thousand
and one, I think it was March of twenty twenty three.
February or March of twenty twenty three is when we
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declared war on Iraq. And that's when my unit went
in Now we were in Kuwait before that, but it
was not a couple years. It was a year and
a half until we actually went somewhere. And I'll just
never forget that day. And I know you have your
own stories, felt like it was probably important on this
day to tell mine. I will leave you with this.
(09:28):
I'm not leaving you. We're going to keep talking about stuff.
I want to talk about the mail in stuff. We're
going to just go back to Springfield. We're not gonna
let this stuff go. We have a couple other things
we need to go into. But in New York City,
they have created a nine to eleven memorial Museum. Now
you already know that I love New York City. Love
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you WLR, but I love New York City. You already
know that. But maybe you hate it. Maybe I have
no use for the big city. You're worried about crime
and all those things are valid. That's totally fine. You
know how people say you should go to Washington, d c.
Once to see the monuments and the memorials, and I
agree with that. I agree you should go visit. Don't stay,
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give yourself three four days, go see it all and
leave it. Don't come back if you ever have the opportunity.
I know money doesn't grow on trees, and I know
New York City might not be right next to you.
The nine eleven Memorial Museum is one of those things
you should do. You should do if you're in town
(10:32):
for a wedding, for business, for take an hour, take
two and go to the nine eleven Memorial Museum. It
is so well done. And if you have children who
maybe are too young to understand the impact of this,
as I do. My boys are sixteen and fourteen. They
weren't even alive or sixteen and fifteen. Sorry, Luke, my
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boys are sixteen and fifteen. They what do they know
about nine to eleven? About snarky jokes they see online?
It's not real to them, and why would it be
the too young? It was real to them. By the
time we walked out of that memorial it was real
to them. So just the little heads up that's worth
going to. Also, I made the well, I made a
(11:19):
horrible mistake on the show last night. I'll explain what
mistake I made in a moment. Before I say that,
let's talk about IFCJ the International Fellowship of Christians and Jews.
I just want you to understand something. There are places
in the world where you need a bulletproof ambulance to
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guarantee you can get from your home to the hospital.
That's what it's like for people over there. You need
an ambulance that can withstand AK forty seven rounds so
you can get to the hospital. And on October seventh,
a lot of people died in ambulances. Samask guys were
(12:01):
killing everybody they could find, but a lot of ambulances
were able to make it to the hospitals and save
lives because they were armored. And how do you think
they got those armored ambulances? The International Fellowship of Christians
and Jews, the IFCJ. Go support them, Go stand in
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word support IFCJ dot org. We'll be back truth attitude.
Jesse Kelly, it is the Jesse Kelly Show on a Wednesday.
I hope they remember. If you miss any part of
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joins us, about ten minutes from now this Venezuelan gang.
Are there other gangs. Are they merging or fighting with
American gangs. We're going to talk to Brandon about all
this stuff about ten minutes from now. I apparently screwed
up big time last night on the show, and now
I need to own it. I need to get it
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out there. I called my mother on the way home
last night because it was my mother's birthday, and she
appreciated the call, and then she asked me, very appointedly,
did you wish me happy birthday on your show. I
didn't hear it, so it's not funny, Chris, it's not funny. Mom.
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Mom was upset because Mom did not get a shout
out on the show. I made the terrible mistake of
trying to explain to her that people probably care a
little bit more about debate stuff and you know, national
security stuff. I tried. I tried to baby step as
best I could, explaining to her that her birthday isn't
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necessarily national news, not really something that matters to everybody.
But she was not very receptive to that at all.
She did not understand. So happy birthday, Mom. It's day late,
but I just want everyone to know it was my
mom's birthday last night. Happy Birthday. Mom. All right there there,
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I said it. I said it. We're good now. One
last word on the nine to eleven stuff. This is
why I adore Tunnel to Towers so much that you know,
that's when I talk to you all the time about
Tunnel to Towers. You know, that's when they started. That's
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when they started. It couldn't possibly be more personal for
the Siller family. They started Tunnel to Towers because well,
that's the day firemen and cops, first responders everywhere ran
into the danger and died. And they died in droves.
One of the things you'll see at that nine to
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eleven Memorial Museum. You'll see a million things there, but
firehouses there were pretty much entire firehouses were eliminated because
everyone got on duty, strapped it on, charged in and died.
So we're talking firehouses that were just emptied. Cops too,
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and Tunnel to Towers from that day has dedicated themselves
to trying to care for those who are left behind
when a firefighter dies, when a cop dies, when a
soldier dies. Tunnel to Towers has been there, and I
just really appreciate this organization. I love them. I have
always loved them. I've done events with them where they
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read the names of every everyone who died in Iraq
or Afghanistan. I just it's a wonderful organization that doesn't
rip people off. I love them and that's all I
wanted to say. And you should support them. It's worthy
of your support. Eleven bucks a month. You've heard me
say it a million times. Eleven bucks a month is
what they ask for tumber two T dot org T
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two t dot org. So probably worth your time and
certainly worth your money. They do amazing work. Enough of that,
Enough of that for now, Thomas Massey speaking of amazing
One of the really, really good people we have in Congress.
Thomas Massey's getting us all prepped and ready for what
I've already told you is coming.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
And we'll be honest with the American people about what's
going on here. This is political theater. I'm going to
call out both sides right here. It's all posturing as
fake fighting. We all know where it ends up. This
is Groundhog Day. I don't care if the Democrat is
the speaker or Republican is the speaker. We always get
a CR in September and then we get an omnibus.
(16:54):
Sometimes there's a twist on that we might get the
Omnibus before Christmas, but if we're not good, it comes
after Christmas.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
But that's what's going to happen.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
And in the meantime it's political theater.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
I don't want to bring you down, but they're going
to pass a continuing resolution Mike Johnson today, earlier today
he tabled it for now, so it won't happen this week.
We'll deal with this next week. But Republicans are making
a bunch of noise about the Save Act that doesn't
really do anything either. I want to remind you that
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a continuing resolution in and of itself is illegal. There
should never be a continuing resolution that is reserved for
emergency purposes. We are in the middle of World War three.
We don't have time for a budget fight. Just keep
spending it. Congress has an obligation to come up with
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a budget and have a budget fight the public can
see when the public can argue over And because none
of these pieces of trash want to be held to
account for what they're doing with your money, this is
your money and your children's money, none of them want
to be held to account for it. So now the
(18:17):
CR The continuing resolution is just what they do every time.
It's a way of saying, well, let's just keep doing
what we were doing. Then you never have to be
held account for the billions and billion, forget billions, for
the trillions of dollars of your money. The government is
tearing through And I just want to drive this point home,
(18:38):
which you already know, but you have to get this
through to norm and norma and pound and pound, and
don't stop pounding this point home. Every dime Washington spends
now makes the cost of the things in your life
go up another billion here, a ten billion here, a
fifty billion there. It's not just nothing. It's the reason
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you can afford eggs. It's the reason you can't afford
a house. It's the reason the value of your dollar
continues to go down, down down. Washington spending did that
to you, and none of the people in charge want
to do anything about it. That's a fact. And they're
gonna do that Save Act, the Save Act. As if
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the Save Act is even something you could implement. It's
September eleventh, the election is less than two months away. Ridiculous,
and we won't get the Save Act anyway. Ridiculous. Mike
Johnson's probably already grabbing his ankles, getting ready for the
whole thing. Brandon Darby joins us talk Cartel stuff. Next,
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Show on a Wednesday. I don't know who that band is.
Chris did Darby pick that song? That's a dude has
a good voice? Joining me now? Bright bart Cartel Chronicles.
You know he's your one stop shop for everything Border Cartel.
(20:08):
And if you've been hearing the name Trende Orragua in
the news recently, guess where you heard it first? From
Brandon Darby's mouth a long time ago. First of all, Brandon,
what is that ben? That dude sounded good?
Speaker 3 (20:21):
It's a guy named Danzig and it's a trying when
it was it's from the eighties of the early nineties
or something, and it just popped out of my mouth
when he asked me what song I would it. Usually
he picks kind of gay eighties songs, and he picks them.
It's what he likes to hear when he hears when
(20:41):
I'm on air, So I don't know what's going on
with him. I don't know, but that's okay. I support him.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
I don't care.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
It's all good. Like it's not my business, you know,
it's none of my business. But that's between him and God,
him and whomever.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
Yeah, no, Chris, you hear that you love who you love.
We're all with you, buddy anyway. Brandon, I'm certainly you're
You're a much better person than I am. So I
know you're not celebrating the fact that you called the
whole trendy Arragua thing. But it generally is bad for
a nation to import an entire prison gang from another country,
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and it's not working out well for us.
Speaker 3 (21:19):
It is not working out well. And I'm sad that
I'm correct, that I was correct, But you know, that's
what we do is we monitor transnational criminal organizations. And
they started showing up, and once they started showing up
in droves, we tried to alert the public and say, hey,
these guys are coming. This is going to be a
name that all of you will hear in the months
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to come. Give it six months and you're all going
to hear this. And I think that was about right.
And now they're all over the news, and you know,
I think it's quite concerning, but they're not the only
criminal gang who's being imported into our country, you know,
like when you have you know, let's just be really
(22:02):
clear what we're talking about. During the Biden administration, in
the last four years, right, not even quite four years,
they have had over ten million people, right, call them
the legal aliens. I think migrants a better term for
some of them, illegal alien for others, depending on how
they got here and what have you. They had over
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ten million people show up at our border illicitly, with
another two million that the US government reports were got aways,
meaning that they have traces that they came or they
saw them come in, but they couldn't get them. So
they have twelve million people who have come across in
this administration. That is a lot of people, man. And
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I am as sympathetic as the next guy to workers
into people I've you know, worked with when I was
a teenager who worked on farms or ranches, ranches. In
my case, I'm very sympathetic. I understand why they come.
But here's the problem. Those kind of people who are
good people are not the only ones coming. Right, Let's
be very clear, even if if the numbers hold true,
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that five percent of any group, whether it's native border
or people who show up illicitly across our border are criminals, right,
which I think the numbers actually higher in that case
when it comes to people who show up illicitly across
our border are hardened criminals. Even that would mean that
we have imported, you know, hundreds of thousands of people
(23:31):
into our country who are hardened criminals who should not
be here. So despite the fact that millions of them
might be nice people who are trying to work, and
not that even if they are nice people trying to work,
we have problems there too, right Like the state of
texasm it's public education system. It is the dirtiest thing
I've ever heard. I will sit with liberal friends, some
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of whom are teachers, and they will talk about how
there's not enough money in the public school system. They
need more money in the public school system the properly
educate kids. And in the same breast they'll talk about
the fact that it's okay that hundreds of thousands of
students are showing up in the middle of the school
year who are non English speaking right into our public
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school system, and it's like, well, you can't have both.
Do we have do we have the resources to help
these hundreds of thousands of kids who are showing up
in the middle of the school year from across our border,
or do you not have enough money? Because if you
do the math and you're intellectually consistent, you're admitting that
we are taking away from the US taxpayer, in the
Texan taxpayer, we are taking away from those kids' education
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to fund the educations of hundreds of thousands of people
from other places. And that's you know, things get things
get dicey, very sympathetic. I understand why people come, but
at the same time, let's be very clear we have problems.
That's too many people. I mean, this is out of control.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
Speaking with Brandon Darby Cartel Chronicles, Brandon, you mentioned you
may mentioned trendy Aragua. Obviously they're all in the news now,
even though I heard it from you first. But they're
They're not the only one who are the others?
Speaker 3 (25:11):
Oh well, there's a okay, So Venezuela the way that
Venezuela is kind of structured. When you go I had
to get into the weeds with everybody. When Yugo Chaves
took over, and you had what they called the peaceful revolution.
Right Chavez took over. Uh, he was this rabid leftist
(25:33):
military guy, Hugo Shavas. What he did, what his administration did,
was he basically took the dominant criminal groups because those
were also the revolutionary groups, right, there's that fine line
between revolutionary and organized criminal. He took the dominant criminal
groups in every every Venezuelan state and he basically organized
(25:57):
them and brought them into his administration to help him
run them barrios in these states. So that is how
he kept order and enforced his will in these barrios,
which comprise millions of people in each Venezuelan state. That
is what he did. So each of those states. Trendy
(26:17):
Arragua is just the dominant criminal group in Ragua, right,
But we have other Venezuelan states and those criminal groups
are coming to On top of that, we're still having
MS thirteen go back and forth. There's tons of what
they call street gangs who are coming into this country.
We have tons of them who are here. We have
(26:38):
many that we you know with MS thirteen, Remember it
was people who came here and then as we deported
them they had become gang members here, and as we
deported them, that spread the gangs back to their native
countries right in Central America. So this is this illicit.
You know, if you want people to come here, and
(26:59):
you want everyone world to be able to come here,
then you need to campaign for laws that allow that
to happen legally and legitimately. But you can't just say,
you know, to hell with your laws, We're going to
find in runs around it and just let everybody show
up and stay. You can't do it. When you do
it that way, you end up with what we're seeing.
(27:19):
So tons of criminal groups are coming in and it's
very hard to keep up with it. It's difficult to
keep up with the sheer numbers of different gangs who
have arrived in our country because of an unsecured and
improperly secured border.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
Brandon, why aren't they at war yet? Or are they?
And I just don't see it with our home grown
criminal organizations be it. I don't care what level of
organized crime you want to go to, from the Italian
mafia to the freaking you name it, the crips, I
don't care who it is. Why are they not warring
(27:59):
with each other because there's only so many drugs and
prostitutes to go around.
Speaker 3 (28:04):
Well they actually are, So what we're seeing is what
we like, we go to Chicago. This is something I
started covering and I think twenty ten or twenty eleven,
and what I was doing was I was just getting
on pacer, which is a site that you can download
court transcripts and court documents right back in the past.
And I would get there and I would I would
see some news release about gang members charged in Chicago
(28:27):
for murder, and then I would read through the transcripts
and all the court documents. It would take me a
day or two, and usually fourteen or fifteen page fourteen
or fifteen or transcripts or indictments. There would be sub
mentioned that they were acting at the you know, under
the orders of somewhat a criminal group in Mexico, and
(28:50):
I'm like, how come that's not in the news, right?
So I started writing about these groups. So what's going
to happen is they're not going to take over and
become challengers to you know, very drug cartel from Mexico.
What they're going to do is they're going to become
allies and we're going to have what we already have.
We have some US street gangs who are working or
(29:10):
who are allied with Lossettas or CDN. We have some
who are allied with the Golf Cartel. We have some
who are allied with various factions of Sinaloa. And what
we're going to see is Trained de Arragua ultimately start
to ally with wherever they are. So you'll have is
you have some people in Trained de Arragua in California
who who are with, you know, the Tijuana Cartel. You
(29:33):
have some who will align with, you know, various Sinaloa groups.
You'll have some in Texas who are aligned with Zetto's
and some who are aligned with whatever. And even though
they're they're the same gang, they're going to ultimately, you know,
regionally operate on behalf of these Mexico based transnitional criminal groups.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
He is Brandon Darby. Brandon, I hate to ask, because
I didn't ask you beforehand. Feel free to say no,
do you think you could stay on? I just have
a couple other quick questions I wanted to ask you.
I would love to all right, we will be right back,
Brandon Darby gonna dig into this stuff just a little
bit more hang on truth attitude. Jesse Kelly. It is
(30:17):
the Jesse Kelly Show on a Wednesday, digging into all
things cartel, street gang trend a a rag while with
my friend Brandon Darby, of course, of the cartel chronicles.
If you're not reading the stuff Darby does, you just
don't know. You don't know what's going on with the
border and immigration and stuff like that. Okay, Brandon, So
I want to ask about our own more traditional criminal
(30:39):
organizations here and where they fit into all this, and
more specifically, I want to ask about the Italian mafia.
Where are they when it comes to working with the
cartels with street gangs. I know they contract out with
street gangs to do killings, but I know there's also
rivalries there or is the Italian mafia is so shattered
it's just nothing, it's all cartel stuff now.
Speaker 3 (31:03):
I think it's largely shattered. I think if we were
to go up north, obviously there's there's probably you know,
trash or refuse rackets and construction rackets and all kinds
of other things going on in New York City. And
but you look at a city like Philadelphia and they
just got decimated, right, So you know Michael Francis who's
(31:25):
a former boss in the you know, the Italian Mob.
He Italian American Mob is a better accurate, more accurate description.
He talks about that, and they're just they decimated their
way of life with you know, with Rico statutes. They
decimated their way of life. And when people are facing
life in prison or a nice cushy life on the
(31:48):
witness Protection program to tell on some other people, they
generally picked tell on other people because they picked people,
pick their wife and their kids over you know, some
chubby guy named Vito who killed people. Right, They're always
going to do that. And there's a couple of exceptions.
I think Michael Francis's father didn't, but most of them
(32:08):
will turn and become States evidence. And they've just the
US authorities decimated the mob. They're much more formal, but
in that same sense, US authorities have decimated some Mexican cartels. Right,
So if we look at Loetas, especially the Golf cartel,
there are they powerful, yeah, but really what they are
(32:30):
is you have some factions of the Golf cartel who
work with the Sinaloa cartel. You have some factions who
work with with Losettas. You know, CDN, you have some
factions who work with Cartel Jalisco. And even though these
groups are at war with each other, sometimes different golf
cartel groups are at war. And we've talked about this before,
Like for many years, US border security, especially when it
(32:52):
came to terrorism, really relied on this notion that these
cartels would not allow transnational tears right like international terrorists
to cross our border because they realized it would really
shut down our border and ultimately hurt their ability to
make profits with drugs. But then as the US government
and the Mexican government started going after the heads of
(33:13):
these cartels, what they were left with is a bunch
of young guys who don't care about tomorrow, don't care
about long term profit sustainability within their drug trade, who
will just do whatever they can to make a quick
buck today. And that that makes for a very dangerous
criminal organization. When they don't care about tomorrow, they have
no concern for it because they're young and they're dumb
(33:35):
in their own cocaine or whatever they're doing, it makes
for a very dangerous situation. So I think that's kind
of you know, the mob being more formal, I kind
of Liken. It back to wars in the past versus
wars now. In the past, you know, if the leadership
of the nation wanted to surrender, generally the nation surrendered. Nowadays,
if the leadership was to surrender, groups of people in
(33:57):
the country don't care. Decentralize it. It takes the Irish
Republican Army army model and just they break into splinter
groups and still do attacks and terror attacks, and it
doesn't matter what the formal government does.
Speaker 1 (34:10):
Well.
Speaker 3 (34:11):
With the Italian mob, it's been more like a formal government.
They've they've kind of taken a back seat to things
with these groups from south of our border. The more
you take out the leadership, the more fragmented these criminal
groups become. And they don't stop so like a hydro.
Speaker 1 (34:31):
So we should leave the leadership alone.
Speaker 3 (34:34):
No, no, I don't think we should leave the leadership alone.
I'm in favor of doubling down, tripling down, quadrupling down,
and just it's like you want to keep going, Let's
keep going. That's what I'm in favor of. I'm also
in favor of looking at the root causes. I don't
want to sound like Obama here, but looking at the
things that lead people to this. Right, Like, let's be
really clear, when when we fuel transnational criminal organizations in
(34:59):
south of Texas, when we have policies that allow them
to make hundreds of millions of dollars right and fuel
themselves these criminal groups by bringing migrants to our border
or legal aliens or what the hell you want to
call them to our border, and we're fueling the very
things that are causing people to flee in the first place, right,
(35:20):
causing the corruption in the first place. When we do that,
we are in fact exacerbating the problem when we allow Mexico,
when we try to treat Mexico, which is listed by
all world bodies as a failing nation, ex excuse me,
a fragile state. Not failing yet, it's one step above failing.
(35:42):
Are failed. It's a fragile state that has over half
of its territory under the control of transnational paramilitary criminal organizations.
A nation that when they want to do a federal
police action, they have to use their military because these
groups are so powerful with RPGs and every bit of
(36:03):
weaponry that the Mexican government has. When we're dealing with
that nation, if we continue to treat them like they are,
like their government is somehow equal to us, like we
deal with them like we're dealing with England, or like UK,
or like we're dealing with Canada, or like we're dealing
with Japan, and we treat them that way, we are
(36:26):
in fact turning a blind eye to them. So I'm
in favor of being very aggressive. I'm in favor of
not waiting for the approval of Mexico's drug cartel connected
leadership and just doing what we need to do to
protect our citizens in Mexico. That's where I come from,
so I'm in a very different position. So no, I
do not think that we should stop getting the heads
(36:48):
of cartels. I do, however, think that we half measures
are why we where we are. If we left them alone,
we'd be better off than where we are. I think
we'd be the best off long term if we took
them out by so to speak. You know, but the
half measures is where the trouble really comes in.
Speaker 1 (37:07):
Yeah, as is often the case, Brandon Darby, you are
the best, my brother, Thank you so much. Come back
join us soon. That was awesome. That was awesome. You
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the cartels. Testosterone, that's what Chris, that's what we're gonna need.
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