Episode Transcript
Available transcripts are automatically generated. Complete accuracy is not guaranteed.
Speaker 1 (00:07):
Let's talk about the DOJ, how important it is, and
I know you know it's important. I'm not going to
sit here and insult your intelligence. But that's just let's
figure something out here. Why don't government people go to prison?
Because that we have to have that. You know, I'm
hot on this. I always have been, I always will be.
(00:27):
The only way to structure a society is by taking
people who have power, government power and holding them the
most accountable, the deepest, darkest prisons, the worst possible punishment
in any society, should not be reserved for murderers. Yeah,
I'm fine to do whatever you want with the murderers.
(00:47):
It should be for government people who take their power
and abuse the people with it. The crime is so
severe it can destroy nations. And now I bet nothing.
I just said, blew you away. You agree? You agree?
These government people have to go to prison. And I've
said many times before, and I mean this. You will
(01:09):
know our country is getting back on track when you
start seeing government people in a significant number going to prison.
When you have a corrupt, criminal, gangster government, the gangsters
in the government have to be sent to prison. I'm
not talking about one little patsy here a little slap
(01:30):
on the wrist. There go to prison. Okay, so we
all agree, I agree, you agree. Why has it happened?
That's the question. Why has it happened? Well, the answer
is actually quite simple. The DOJ the Department of Justice.
If we will do our little hypothetical one hundred person
(01:51):
village where we all live and it's one nation, it's
our tribe, and there's one hut where you have to report.
And when you report crimes to that hut, the people
who work in that hut, then they will decide whether
or not the crimes are prosecuted. Government crimes, regular crimes.
You go to the same hut every single time. Well,
(02:13):
if every time you bring a crime into that hut
that was committed by a government person, they just decide
not to prosecute it, what kind of tribe do you have?
How long is your tribe going to exist? That's exactly
where we are in the country. America's Department of Justice
exists and has existed under Democrat presidents and Republican presidents
(02:36):
as the protection agency for the criminals in the government.
That must change. We can't have any more talk of
whether it's not going to be a tit for tat.
We can't have any of that. That stuff has to
be set aside. The criminals in the government must go
to prison otherwise otherwise it gets dark here in the future.
(02:59):
And I know we're all decited. I'm excited too about
Donald Trump's presidency. It can get really really dark, and
the parts of the world that are civilized, it's already
getting really really dark. In the UK, they're throwing people
in prison for social media posts.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
The offensive incitement of racial hatered involves publishing or distributing
material which is insulting or abusive, which is intended or
likely to start racial hatered. So if you retweet that,
then you're republishing that, and then potentially you're committing that offense.
And we do have dedicated police officers who are scouring
(03:38):
social media. Their job is to look for this material
and then follow up with identification arrists and so forth.
So it's really really serious.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
People might.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
Think they're not doing anything harmful, they are and the
consequences will be visited upon them.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
That's not some third world dump, that's not something that
happened one hundred years ago. Right now, our ally, our
friend free England is falling already. You remember our neighbors
to the north. You remember what happened to Pastor Arthur.
The cops showed up in his church to get.
Speaker 4 (04:17):
Him out, out out of this property. You Nazis out out.
Get stop is not allowed here. Immediately, gest stop is
not allowed.
Speaker 5 (04:37):
Out.
Speaker 6 (04:38):
You're not welcome here. Nazis are not welcome here. Guest
Stop is not welcome here. Do not come back, you
Nazi psychopaths. Unbelievable, sick, evil people, intimidating people in a
church during the passover. You'll get stop or Nazi car
(05:00):
is fascist. Don't you dare coming back?
Speaker 1 (05:04):
Youre That's exactly what it is. And our DOJ here
has been just as bad, if not worse. Joe Biden
took over the presidency, put Merrick Garland in charge of
the DOJ, the attorney general in the country as the
top law enforcement officer in the nation, and the Democrats
(05:25):
took it over and promptly decided to paint Republicans as
white supremacists and then use the DOJ to attack them.
Speaker 7 (05:35):
The FBI's view, the top domestic violent extremist threat comes
from racially or ethnically motivated violent extreamists, specifically those who
advocate it for the superiority of the white race.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
And of course Christopher Ray, his little lap dog, was
more than happy to oblige in going after Trump's supporters.
In fact, it bragged about it.
Speaker 8 (06:01):
Let me ask you about January sixth. Are you still
pursuing January sixth cases?
Speaker 9 (06:06):
We have sort any number of January sixth cases underway.
Speaker 8 (06:09):
Former President Trump has referred to those who have been
imprison or facing trial as hostages. Do you see those
individuals who took part in the January sixth riots as hostages?
Speaker 9 (06:21):
I see the defendants in the January sixth cases as
criminal defendants who are being charged with federal crimes and
are in front of independent courts as part of our
legal system.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
Yeah, and very independent courts trying all those poor SAPs
in the communist Washington d C. With communist judges, communists everything.
They're Yeah, very very independent. What's happened in this country
the last four years is not something we can forget
and forgive about just because Trump won the election and
things are about to change. No, no, no, no no no.
(06:57):
People must be held to account for the crimes that
were committed under the presidency of Joe Biden, politicians, thej people,
FBI people, bureaucrats. They must be held to account criminally.
And look so far, I'm encouraged by what I hear
from Cash Betel.
Speaker 10 (07:20):
The FBI's footprint has gotten so frickin' big, And the
biggest problem the FBI has had has come out of
its intel shops. I'd break that component out of it.
I'd shut down the FBI Hoover Building on day one
and reopening the next day as a museum of the
deep state. And I'd take the seven thousand employees that
work in that building and send them across America to
(07:41):
chase down criminals. Go be cops, your cops.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
Will this happen, I don't know. Will Pambondi fix things
that the DOJ arrest government people, I don't know, but
it must happen. But we can't save ourselves. We got
to fix that DOJ hutt. All right, Well, a's Mike
Davis about this? Next I go.
Speaker 11 (08:21):
I think they will rue the day that they put
Pambondi in as Attorney General and Cash Pttel as Director
of the FBI, they have essentially signaled the end of
independent federal law enforcement. Over the next four years that
may end up in the targeting of Democrats, targeting of
(08:43):
media that's friendly to Democrats. But once law enforcement is
an independent, it's hard to put that Jennie back in
the bottle. And so someday down the line that could
hurt Republicans. When there's a Democrat who decides to use
the federal law enforcement agencies to target Republicans, one of
us should want that.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
Yeah, I'm not going to make all the obvious jokes
and comments that's happening now and the hypocrisy. I'm not
going to do that. More than anything, I'm concerned about
the hair dye fellas, don't do it. Everyone can tell.
I don't care how much you spent on it. Everyone
can tell, and it never looks right. Joining me now,
Mike Davis, founder of the Article three Project. Okay, Mike,
(09:24):
what is Pam BONDI Cash Patel? What are they going
to be able to do as far as holding government
people accountable? I'm only interested in that now, and anyone
want to hear about the cartels. I want to know
what government people are going to prison.
Speaker 12 (09:38):
That's a very good question because we saw the Obama
justice departments, the Biden Justice Department and their intel agencies
politicized and weaponized against their political enemies. President Trump, his
top aids, his allies, his supporters, going all the way
back to Crossfire Hurricane, it continue with the unprecedented republic
(10:02):
ending lawfare and election interference for the last three years.
Four indictments, the civil fraud lawsuit for non fraud. They
tried to bankrupt Trump, they tried to take off his head.
They tried to throw them in prison for life. They
tried to throw them off the ballot. Pam Bondi and
Cash Battel are President Trump's all star picks for attorney
(10:25):
general and FBI director to go clean out that rat's
nest of the Obama and then Biden justice department. They're
going to bring much needed transparency, accountability, and justice.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
Okay, I like the sounds of it. How much work
do they have to do? You know? Cash Btel takes
over as director the FBI is a very sharp individual,
big fan. I know the rod is deep, though. Pam Bondy, honestly,
the DOJ is probably where all of our problems lie.
That's been the wall protecting government people from going to prison.
(11:01):
Is it possible that we're going to actually see that.
I know their intentions are good. I'm already on board.
What can they actually do?
Speaker 12 (11:09):
They are one hundred percent going to go in and
clean out the rats nest of the Obama and then
Biden Justice Department. You're going to see actions on day one,
on January twentieth, and then when they get confirmed, when
Pam Bondi gets confirmed as Attorney General, when Todd Blanche
(11:31):
gets confirmed as the Deputy Attorney General, when Cash Bettel
gets confirmed as the FBI director, You're.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
Going to see. You're going to see heads roll.
Speaker 12 (11:40):
You're going to see these career officials in the senior
post at main Justice and at the FBI get reassigned.
They're going to lose their jobs. So they better get
used to changing diapers on the southern border because that's
what they're going to be doing until they get chased
out of the Justice Department, including the FBI.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
Gosh, that's hilarious. That'd be wonderful to see. Okay, Merrick
Garland in particular, Mike, I know I don't have to
get you rolled up to go after Merrick Garland, but
he is. What he's done with his position as Attorney General.
It's criminal, It's egregious. What are the worst things in
your mind? He's done.
Speaker 12 (12:22):
Merrick Garland has been a disgrace. And thank god my
former boss, Chuck Grassley on the Senate Judiciary Committee blocked
Merrit Garland's elevation to the Supreme Court and put my
other boss, Neil Gorsch on the Supreme Court because Merrick
Garland has been a disaster for our country when he
(12:44):
ran this unprecedented republic ending lawfare and election interference against
President Trump, his top aids like Steve Bannon and Peter
Davarro who went to prison for asserting constitutional executive privilege
going back to one hundred and fifty years to George Washington.
Merrick Garland's targeted Trump supporters on January sixth and politically
(13:08):
persecuted them, Yes, persecuted them, according to the Supreme Courts
Fisher decision. Last June, Merrick Garland sick the FBI. After
parents outraged by gender chaos and schools and the resulting
rapes and high school bathrooms, Merrick Garlands went after pro
life Christians, including and putting a seventy five year old
(13:31):
Christian in prison for praying at an abortion clinic while
Merrick Garland gave amnesty to blm Antifa Hamas, Joe Biden,
every scumbag Biden who was on what seems like every
corrupt or in payroll around the world. There must be
(13:51):
accounts ability for what Merrick Garlands and his team have done.
They have taken our country to the brink and there
has to be accountability. There has to be justice.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
Pam Bondi who is she? Most people are not familiar
with Pam Bondi. What's her background?
Speaker 12 (14:10):
Pam Bondi is a fantastic choice by President Trump to
serve as the attorney general. She was the attorney general
for the state of Florida for eight years, which is
a big office. She does not need this job as
attorney general. She did not seek this job as attorney general.
(14:31):
President Trump recruited her for this job. She's bold, she's fearless,
she's smart, she's effective. She's the perfect choice by President
Trump to go clean out the rats nest of the
Obama and then Biden Justice Department.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
DNI isn't part of the DOJ, but just like CIA,
it does work with the DOJ. That whole thing rhyme
did I didn't mean to do that tell me about
Tulca Gabbard. What's she going to to be able to do?
Speaker 12 (15:01):
You know what's great about Tulci Gabbert is she is
a former Democrat who saw the light, who saw that
are intel agencies and law enforcement have been corrupted. They've
become partisan, They've been politicized and reaponized against political enemies.
Tulsi has a strong military background. She has insider experience
(15:26):
from her time working in the House of Representatives, but
she has an outsider attitude. She's the perfect choice to
go over to d and I and clean out that rats.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
And that's just like the Justice Department.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
What does DNI do, Mike, A lot of people just
aren't familiar with it. They know CIA, they know FBI,
but DNI is one of those things the normies goes
right by them.
Speaker 12 (15:48):
Look, I think that I used to work for President
George W. Bush, but I think he made a big
mistake by creating DNI, the Director of National Intelligence, along
with DHS the Department of Homeland Security.
Speaker 13 (16:01):
It's just more governments bureaucracy.
Speaker 12 (16:04):
It's more deep state, which are these unelected, largely unaccountable
career bureaucrats who work in these intel agencies and in
federal law enforcements who think it's their job to make
these policy decisions instead of the duly elected president of
the United States. And D and I is just an
extra unnecessary layer that's supposed to coordinate the intel agencies,
(16:29):
and it just creates a morass with the Intel agencies,
a political dumpster fire called D and I.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
Talk to me about these Matthew Graves types. What can
be done? What's realistic? I know Matthew Graves is resigning,
he's gone, but are they off scott free now? Matthew
Graves has done some really really evil things with his
position of power. What is legal? What can be done
to him?
Speaker 12 (16:56):
It is a federal civil rights only a very serious
battle crime to politicize and weaponize intel agencies and law
enforcement against your political enemies for non crimes.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
It's eighteen USC.
Speaker 12 (17:15):
Section two forty one conspiracy against rights, a very serious
federal civil rights felony. And I would say to Jack
Smith and his deputy, Goon J. Bratt, and Matthew Graves,
the outgoing dc US attorney, and these January sixth prosecutors
(17:38):
and agents, and these people who ran this unprecedented republicanding
lawfare against President Trump, his top aids like Steve Bannon
and pier In Davarro, his supporters. On January sixth, parents
and Christians, I would say to these guys, lawyer up,
because nobody is above the law and you could be
on the receiving end of subpoenas when that Trump forty
(18:00):
seven Justice Department opens the federal criminal probe under eighteen USC.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
Section to forty one.
Speaker 12 (18:08):
And I hope that grand jury, that special grand jury
is in paneled down in Fort Pierce, Florida, the same
courthouse where Jack Smith and j Bratt tried to throw
President Trump in prison for the rest of his life
under the Espionage Act for presidential records, the former president
(18:29):
was allowed to have in the office a former president
under the Presidential Records Act.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
Finally, Supreme Court, what do we anticipate in for Donald
Trump being able to do theirs? People retiring?
Speaker 12 (18:45):
What are we looking at look President Trump's President Trump's
biggest and most consequential accomplishment of his first term was
the transformation of the left of center Court to the
Clarence Thomas Along with appointing a near record number of
lower federal court judges, we have the first constitutionalist majority
(19:09):
on the Supreme Court and the lower federal courts in
ninety years. And President Trump in his second term is
going to pick even more bold and fearless justices and
judges than he did the first time.
Speaker 3 (19:24):
So it's going to be good.
Speaker 12 (19:26):
We're going to restore the separation of powers among the
federal branches, and we're going to return federal power back
to the states and the people where it belongs.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
Mike appreciated as always, my friend. All right, we'll be back.
(20:01):
All right. I know we're talking about the DOJ and
the FBI, and so obviously we're not going to bring
it up the CIA. I mean, surely they're not linked
up with the DOJ because that would be weird, right
if the Forward Intelligence Agency was linked up with the DOJ. Anyway,
let's talk to Kevin about that, joining me now. Kevin Ship,
author of a book that freaked me out, Twilight of
(20:24):
the Shadow Government. Okay, Kevin, DJ and CIA they don't
work together.
Speaker 5 (20:29):
Right, Yeah, don't we wish.
Speaker 3 (20:33):
I've just published a presentation on this.
Speaker 5 (20:36):
The DOJ works closely with the CI, especially in silencing whistleblowers,
and in my particular case, the DOJ worked with the
CIA to black try to blackmail us into taking a
lower settlement agreement, and if we didn't, they would invoke
the state secrets privilege. So the CI works through the
(20:57):
DOJ to silence whistle blowers using the primarily the state
secrets privilege or threats of arrest which happened to Tucker
Carlson and others. So they work hand in hand. And sadly,
the DOJ FBI Finnsen office which is now demanding all
of our bank information has a CIA desk in it,
(21:21):
so they are connected at the hip.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
Okay, Kevin, before we continue along those lines, what did
you do for the CIA staple papers or what?
Speaker 5 (21:35):
I was a protective agent on the CI Director William
Casey's protected detail up through Iran Contra and eventually his death.
I was a team leader for protecting defectors that came
over to the agency. I was an assistant team leader
on an a counter assault team, they want me to
call it an anti terrorism assault team. We went over
(21:55):
to neutralize the terrorist group that had been killing Americans.
Was in the counter Espionage Unit, Special Investigations Unit searching
for a mole inside the CIA, which we did find
and burned out to be Robert Hanson, and I've had
several other positions of the counter Terrorism Center where I
was a special operations officer conducting human collection overseas, specifically
(22:19):
in terrorist areas. So I had several different positions during
my career there.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
Now back to what you were talking about, this protecting
of secrets. What is this a law because it doesn't
sound very freedom.
Speaker 5 (22:38):
No, it is an absolute violation of the US Constitution.
George Tenant, the Director of the CIA, used the State
secrets privilege forty two times to silence cases against the CIA.
And the state secrets privilege which they used to work
with the DOJ was actually created.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
From one that was used by the King of England.
Speaker 5 (23:00):
The reasons that the founding fathers left because it is
such tyranny and absolute control over the legal system. And
that's what happens with the CIDJ connection. When they use
the state secrets privilege, they'd use that to seal the
evidence in the torture program. They use that to seal
the fact that they destroyed videotapes of the torture program,
which is more than waterboarding. They use the state secrets
(23:22):
privilege to shut down cases against NSA spying domestically in
the United States.
Speaker 3 (23:27):
So this is a CIA DOJ.
Speaker 5 (23:29):
Operation without question, and of course I've documented improven in
that many of my presentations.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
Okay, first, before we go on to New Orleans and
other things, I have to know you do all that
kind of hunting down terrorists abroad. What's the worst place
you've ever been.
Speaker 5 (23:50):
The CIA? No, in terms of threats, in terms of
personal threats. I mean, that would certainly be the answer.
I have been in the Middle East amongst Palestinian terrorists.
I've been in Eastern Europe. I've been on the border
of the Soviet Union. I did a lot of work
(24:13):
during the Serbs purge of Bosnia and the genocide there,
So several different areas in the Middle East and in
Europe and Asia.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
Oh gosh, that's freaking cool. All right, back to New Orleans.
Donald Trump came out said publicly that the CIA has
to get involved. That raised a lot of eyebrows myself included,
how and why would the CIA get involved in something
like this?
Speaker 5 (24:41):
That is an extremely good question and a very concerning issue.
A lot of things in the cyber truck bombing do
not add up at all. I mean, things don't add up.
There's usually a nefarious hand, but find it behind it.
I don't think President elect Trump understands what the CIA
is and what it does. I know that Bobby Kennedy Junior,
(25:02):
who's a friend of mine, does and we'll be communicating
that with Donald Trump as we work to reform the CIA.
But no, I think that is a big mistake, and
it is possible. There are so many peculiarities about the
cyber truck attack. It has some appearances of a psyop
because things just don't add up.
Speaker 3 (25:22):
So I would say that that's concerning.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
Okay, expand on that cyber truck attack, because clearly you've
seen several things that don't seem like they're adding up.
Not asking you to have an opinion or point of finger,
but what is it adding up to you?
Speaker 5 (25:41):
Well, you've got a top secret, sci cleared, extremely talented
soldier working at the highest levels in special operations.
Speaker 3 (25:54):
A normal individual.
Speaker 5 (26:00):
Duel a Trump supporter and it doesn't add up in
terms of the personal profile. Although he did suffer a
little bit of PTSD from some of his assignments, but
that's not uncommon. So for a Trump supporter to blow
himself up with that kind of background and spotless record
by all accounts, including the people that work with him,
to blow up of all things of cyber Trump right
(26:22):
in front of the Trump Hotel when he's a Trump supporter.
It's like the passport they found on the street after
the nine to eleven attacks that wasn't burned up when
the buildings came down of allegedly one of the terriffs.
When things don't add up, something is not right.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
Okay, all right, Now, you've witnessed multiple CIA directors over
the year. I remember I watched some show I think
it was on Showtime about all the CIA directors, and
I watched all those crooks go through and talk about
all the terrorism. They talk about that.
Speaker 5 (26:56):
Yeah, you know, the CIO will make the point, as
they try to do with me, is well, if you
want to restructure the CIA, you're putting the America at.
Speaker 3 (27:04):
Risk for terrorist attacks.
Speaker 5 (27:05):
If you reform or restructure the CIA, Well, let's step
back for a minute and look at what the CI
actually has done. The CI created al Qaeda, trained them
how to blow things up, surveill and attack, trained Osama
bin Laden created al Qaeda. The CI created isis and
the CI created the Free Syrian.
Speaker 3 (27:24):
Army, which just toppled the Syrian government.
Speaker 5 (27:27):
All ruthless, bloody terrorist organizations that the CI uses to
accomplish its ultimate goal of the expansion of its power.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
Okay, the expansion of its power is going to ask
to what end? They're constantly their fingerprints seem to be
all over everything, training, arming people. We end up having
to go overseas in fight. So that's what it's all about,
is power.
Speaker 5 (27:53):
Yeah, it's all about global power for the CIA. And
as Mike Pompeo and sadly they stained his career when
he was director of the CIA, He's the one that
commanded the assassination of Juliana Sange and it pretty much
ended his political career. But even Pompeoti junior that he
(28:15):
regretted not doing the reforms he wanted in the CIA,
and he said that what he found was twenty percent,
the upper twenty percent of the agency, which what I've
been saying all along, does not believe in democracy and
they do not believe in the US Constitution. They believe
in the global expansion of the CIA and American foreign
policy power.
Speaker 1 (28:39):
Well, that was all pretty much horrific. All right, real quick,
what do you think about Ratcliffe? John Ratcliffe coming in
and take over the CIA? Are you hopeful skeptical? Where
you out on him?
Speaker 5 (28:48):
I'm both hopeful and skeptical. I think Ratcliffe is an
excellent choice. He was the d and I Director of
National Intelligence I think for six months. He was a
very good conservative congressman I think for about five years.
And he was the only one that stood up in
defense as an intelligence official, stood up in defense of
President Trump during the Russia collusion hoax and said that
(29:10):
is not intelligence. They're lying, this is bogus. He was
the only one that did that. Those are great credentials.
But as former CI director James Woolsey said when he
came out after being CI director, he said that inside
the CIA, they didn't tell him anything. All of these
operations that the CIA does behind Congress's back, they don't
even tell the director of the CI many times, and
(29:33):
at that level, they don't even know what the director
of Operations or the National Clan Deskline Center is doing.
Speaker 1 (29:40):
Oh gosh, well that's horrific, Kevin, Thank you, my friend.
As always, all right, we'll be back.
Speaker 14 (30:02):
What we do is we have if something has reported
to US as potentially misinformation important misinformation. We also have
this third party fact checking program because we don't want
to be deciding what's true and false. And for the
I think it was five or seven days when it
was basically being being determined whether it was false. The
(30:27):
distribution on Facebook was decreased, but people were still allowed
to share it, so you could still share it, you
could still consume it. We say the distribution has decreased,
It got shared basically the ranking and news feed was
a little bit less, so fewer people saw it than
would have otherwise. So it definitely by what percentage, I
don't know off the top of my head, but it's
(30:49):
it's it's meaningful.
Speaker 1 (30:52):
Okay, now you already know that story, the FBI reaching
out Facebook to sensory damaging story that would have hurt
Joe Biden's election chances. What astounds me is that story
didn't last, isn't as lasting in the minds of the
American people. The Federal Bureau of Investigation reached out to
(31:14):
a social media company and told them to censor a
story they knew to be true so Joe Biden could
win an election. Do you understand what that means joining
me now, Senator one of the great ones. We don't
have many from the state of Wisconsin. Senator Ron Johnson, Senator.
One of my favorite things about you is this is
the kind of stuff that you've been all over for
the longest time, not letting this stuff go, demanding answers.
(31:37):
The federal law enforcement arm getting involved in elections for
either party is the only thing that matters. If you
look at what the history of secret state police agencies is, well.
Speaker 15 (31:50):
The most egregious act of censorship and election interference was
really what Anthony blinkeln led as a member of Biden's campaign,
contacting ex CIA Deputy Director Mike Morrell asking him to
clean up.
Speaker 13 (32:06):
The Hunter Biden laptop story.
Speaker 15 (32:08):
That's what generated the letter signed by fifty one former
intelligence officials, vetted within hours by the CIA and allowed
to go public. I mean that actually impacted the election.
Speaker 13 (32:22):
I can't think of.
Speaker 15 (32:23):
A more egregious example, more blatant example of election interference.
And those people still have their security clearances, which should
be revoked on day one of President Trump's new term.
And you know, I've got to be with Anthony blancoln
because when we interview him about Hunter Biden. He blatantly
lied to our committee, so he's lied before Congress as well.
Speaker 13 (32:44):
The current Secretary of State.
Speaker 15 (32:46):
Lied to Congress and engineered prompted the most egregious active
election interference probably in our history.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
Senator, what frustrates people is you just brought up Secretary
of State line for Congress committing these gross acts. No
one ever seems to be held to account for these things.
And it seems that we have a system in place
that no matter how much you want I mean, you're
a United States Senator and you want people held to account,
and it doesn't seem to be able to get done.
(33:19):
What's wrong with our system that people in government are
allowed to abuse these positions of power, abuse their positions
of power, and nothing ever happens to them. Nothing.
Speaker 15 (33:28):
Well, from my standpoint, I can't prosecute anybody. All I
can do is try and investigate and uncover the truth
and refer to the Justice Department. Part of the time
I was a Chairman of Homeland Security, it was President
Obama in office, and his Department Justice wasn't going to prosecute,
for example, he wouldn't prosecute himself, Eric Holder. So it
(33:51):
depends on who's actually Department Justice. I did the investigation
of heally Clinton's email scandal. We're the ones that uncovered
the editing of James Comey's exoneration memo. Andre we change
gross negligence to extremely careless. So that wasn't ay, you know,
didn't use criminal terminology. But when President Trump and I
don't disgree with this decision either. When President Trump got elect,
(34:14):
he said, okay, well Hillary Clinton, she paid a price.
Speaker 13 (34:17):
We're out a third world country.
Speaker 15 (34:18):
We're not going to prosecute our political opponents. Of course,
that's exactly what Democrats do. So listen, I understand the
double standard. I understand you know how frustrated.
Speaker 13 (34:28):
It is for people.
Speaker 15 (34:28):
From my standpoint, all I can do is expose the truth,
and I think have been reasonably diligent, really reasonably dogged
and trying to pursue the truth.
Speaker 1 (34:37):
You have been. So that brings me back to the DOJ,
which is actually the main subject of all this, because
that answer is always the same. I refer to the DOJ,
they do nothing. I refer to the DOJ, they do nothing.
So if we have a DOJ who only hunts down
pro lifers and doesn't actually clean out the corruption and
the government. How do we fix that?
Speaker 13 (34:58):
We again, we have a du some justice.
Speaker 15 (35:00):
So the Department Justice did prosecute people for obstructing Congress,
but it was a Democrat Department Justice, and they were
happy to prosecute Republicans. We haven't had that same opportunity,
I guess with the Republican Department Justice or Attorney General.
Speaker 13 (35:18):
So we'll see what happens this time around. Again.
Speaker 15 (35:21):
To me, if it's clear violations of federal law, we
will refer people who've committed criminal acts to Department Justice
for prosecution. And that's really kind of what I've talked
to these nominees about it.
Speaker 1 (35:36):
Speaking of the nominees, how hopeful are we that they're
all going to get through? I know everyone wants them
all to get through. I want them all to get through,
But I understand the world in which we live. How
is that looking?
Speaker 15 (35:48):
Well, First of all, I think most Republican Senators take
the same viewpoint I do.
Speaker 13 (35:52):
As elections matter.
Speaker 15 (35:53):
We respect the convincing victory of Donald Trump, and it's
up to Donald Trump to determine who he wants serving
with him in his administration. We're not the ones that
are going to pick the person out he does. You know,
our job is to give him those people who wants
to work with. And so I think that's the primary attitude.
Barring some egregious issue in their background checks, I'm anticipa
(36:14):
and they're all going to get confirmed.
Speaker 1 (36:20):
What are we expecting from Pam Bondy, Pam Bondie. People
are not that familiar with her, I am, but people
don't know what she is. Is this the type of
lady who is going to focus in word, because that's
most definitely what we need right now. We need someone
to clean out the government.
Speaker 15 (36:37):
Well they really have you know, two fold task. They
need to restore integrity to their departments. That's what Cash
has to That's what she has to do as well.
The way you do that is you do have to
look and root out the partisan, the deep state actors.
Speaker 13 (36:55):
So that's going to be a big job.
Speaker 15 (36:56):
But also she needs to equally administer justice.
Speaker 13 (37:01):
I don't want this flipping back and forth where now.
Speaker 15 (37:04):
We're gonna go out and we're gonna be doing anything
we can to prosecute political opponents. You know, we need
to prosecute criminals, sence them, equally prosecute them equally, indict
them equally.
Speaker 13 (37:15):
That's what the American people expect.
Speaker 15 (37:17):
Now again, I realize Democrats don't do that, and it's
frustrating for our supporters, and we just play by the rules.
We want a single system of justice for people. And
from my standpoint, that's why I expect Pambondi. I don't
expect partisanship there. But if we refer something, you know,
based on what we see a criminal referral, I expect
(37:38):
her to fully investigate it and again use her prosecutor discretion.
Speaker 1 (37:43):
What about the FBI. One thing that concerns me every
time I talk to somebody who worked at the FBI
is they say, look, the director of the FBI matters,
He matters a lot, but so much of the garbage
happens underneath the director and the director doesn't even know
about it. What can cash Patel do if he takes
over as head of the FBI, Because if you have
(38:04):
a secret state police agency, you don't have a free country.
Speaker 15 (38:08):
Well, again, we need to appoint as many loyal deputies
who are willing, that are real fighters that are going
to go out and root out the deep state actors.
That's what we need to do. But we also do
need to, you know, redecentralize the FBI. We need to
send agents and prosecutors back out into the branches where
(38:30):
the prosecutory decisions aren't made with political considerations. And that's
that's what Obama, that's what what Biden has done. They've
brought these people into Washington, d C. Under people a
James Comy, and that that's where we've seen all the corruption,
you know, under Merrick Garland. So again, the American people
expect justice. They expect an FBI that's primarily tasked with
(38:50):
keeping us safe, investigating crimes, getting criminals off the street.
Speaker 13 (38:55):
That'sould be on a completely non partisan basis.
Speaker 1 (38:59):
Senator, thank thank you so much. I appreciate it.
Speaker 13 (39:02):
Every day.
Speaker 1 (39:06):
We'll be back. Things have to change radically at the DOJ,
not in small ways, in large ways. Is Pambondi up
(39:26):
to the task, I don't know. But we can't have well,
just a slightly different kind of kind of way of
doing things that the DOJ. That's not going to work anymore.
We need radical change. We must have a Department of
Justice that views its main goal as cleaning out the government,
no longer aiming its guns at the American people. That
(39:49):
has to be put on pause, and it must look
inward and clean the criminals out of this government. We
have to set aside these childish notions while we can't
do a tent for a tent. This stuff has to
stop and stop now. Until government people are made an
example of trials, prison time, we cannot fix this country.
(40:12):
We cannot fix the government because there's never been punishment.
And without that punishment, where does that leave us. We
will see if Pambondi is up to the task, all right,
I'll see it.