September 16, 2024 • 33 mins
Christian Mathias Cullen is a retired New Zealand rugby union player. He played most of his rugby as a fullback for New Zealand, for the Hurricanes in the Super 12, and for Manawatu, Wellington, and later Munster at the provincial level... Now he's on The Daily Bespoke Podcast.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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bless bless bless good busy early, didn't I Jesus. It's
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the seventeenth of the Nights in the Year of Our
Lord twenty twenty four. Welcome all you bespoke, you donkeys
to the Daily Bespoke podcast. We've got Christian Cullen on
the show today. Kelly, one of the greatest fullbacks of
all time, also played at Center Didney for the All
Blacks at one point.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Well let's not talk about that. That was for the
disastrous nineteen ninety nine World Cup.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
The man can cut through a defense like a knighte
through batter, honey.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
Yeah, he cut through defenses like the Pantsman, The Notorious
Pantsman Joel Harrison cut a sway through the ins in me.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
Like a couple of.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
Iron Maiden Fansy my maiden there, Yep, sure, the Maiden something.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
We're going to have a photo. What we're going to
do is I'm assuming we're going to have a photo
take in here, which is going to be quite unusual. Yeah,
you know what, we're going to stand up against the.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
You boys could go and say hi or that's blood.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
I love to, but it's just we've got to do
this podcast unfortunately, and Christian you've got.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
Christian calling in them. And I want to promote my
substackt mad He's got substack dot com writing Humiliation the
Tuesday Morning Calumn out now made substeckt dot com.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
You might have to get it in by the window
here for this. So have we seen there's guys outside
with a photo.
Speaker 4 (02:16):
We're looking for a photo be.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
Really dangerous to get the minute, would wouldn't it? It
would be really Yeah? Good point from those guys right on.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
I like those guys.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
I like them like they just prayed like sleep I
think that I feel like I've slept.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
They look like sleepers to me.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
Tell you, you shift a lot of T shirts at
an Iron Maiden concert, don't you?
Speaker 5 (02:43):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (02:45):
Fuck you shift a lot of T shirts at an
Iron Maiden.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
Iron made them were Iron Maid and T shirts when
they're playing.
Speaker 6 (02:49):
Mmm.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
Yes, yeah, it's interesting the band that has its own
T shirts, So it's an interesting band.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
Do you have a walk around wearing a radio headachey
T shirt? Do they do seven sharp tshirts?
Speaker 2 (03:02):
Yep, we've got a We've got a Yeah, we've got
some merch yet seven sharp caps and have you?
Speaker 3 (03:08):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (03:09):
Would kill you toss seven sharp cap?
Speaker 3 (03:12):
You want one? Yeah? Yeah, yeah? Sure.
Speaker 4 (03:15):
Are they still making those replica hello Berry panties? They
sell those at the gift shop there tv Erry panties. No,
the replica is not the extra ones.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
Are there any Wells panties?
Speaker 6 (03:26):
Do?
Speaker 3 (03:26):
They say? The Wells ones?
Speaker 2 (03:28):
The boxes has worn like I wear them and then
you put them into a little canister and you put
them in every.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
Day before show, you're putting on and taking off twenty
five pairs of pantees.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
Those ones in Japan, like get panties that have been
wre do TV and did run a gift shop in it?
Speaker 3 (03:44):
Nah? They should do. They should have a gift shop
in there. I should do.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
Put everyone through the gift shop. You can't really visit tho.
Can you like the sea? They don't do? Do they
do tours? Yep?
Speaker 3 (03:53):
They do.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
Actually, the tours of the newsroom generally are auctioned off
at charity auctions and safe and Joe Mark Brown, who's
in charge of the newsroom, she will do the tour.
They sort of swing on by and then you get
to sit in and watch the news being done. The
other day, I was walking. I was Friday night, actually
I was. I had to go up to the top
perception area TV and z it up in the eight
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tree in there, and it was for four o'clock. There
was not a soul in the entire building. Like, there
was not a single person.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
Oh yeah, because of layoffs or because of laziness.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
I think, yeah, I think a heady mix of both.
So I chatted to the security guy, Ian, who's been
there for fifteen years, and I said.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
Ian, where are the yeah is everybody? And Ian said layoffs.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
And laziness Ian, That's exactly what it was.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
Me and Ian is in sinkers two four ladies flatting together.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
I finally repaired my relationship with the end because me
and I and we had some issues.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
I was out over you entering the building walking up
the driving ramp.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
Yep, I was you were caught on CCTV footage a lot. Yeah,
I was called a ramper.
Speaker 4 (05:07):
And Joe Ridell facilities over the TV and Z.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
Yeah, Ian, I felt and you know, I didn't ever
express this to Ian's face, but I felt like at
the time, TV and Z had thought that maybe it
was a security business and it wasn't a television making business.
It was more focused on its security and all of
that sort of stuff that it was about making TV
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at the time.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
Well, there's weird things in at.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
NZ me like that, Like every every brand like Pardeki
has a truck and you basically have to fill out
twenty five forms and triplicate to use the truck, and
then when you drive it out, you just get barraged
with emails about because it's tracking you, and you got
to ask yourself, what is the problem you're trying to
solve here? If you know what I mean, what's the
worst case scenario that someone takes the truck out and
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drives it around and does some work in it with
spending ages signing up for it and.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
Well, now if you if you go out and you
speed in it, then you get an email for it.
I saw you speeding because they monitor the speed you go.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
Yeah, I mean, I'm always want because I actually read
read Hastings, you know, the CEO of Netflix, and he's
a big believer in not overseeing anyone at all. He
doesn't check their doesn't check their accounts, that doesn't have
anyone check their expenditure or any.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
Of that kind of thing.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
It just says to them like, I expect you to
keep this down, and he goes. And his idea was
that all in a company that is focused on policing
at workers will not be outward focusing, you know what
I mean. So he's like, if someone's taking someone out
to dinner and they have a few bottles of wine
themselves or whatever, that I don't really mind that in
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the big scheme of things, but I just don't want
to hire a lot of people that are looking in
at inwood into the company. Yeah, he wants everyone looking outward.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
Yeah, well that would that would make sense in the
media company, Yeah, because your job is to send stuff out.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
But there becomes There's this great paper that was written
called bullshit Jobs, and I was talking about how the
bigger a company gets, the more bullshit jobs that are employed,
and then departments just get better and bigger. That a
bullshit operated because the more bullshit they do, the more
power they get, if you know what I mean. And
it's sort of a cancer that gets into companies. So
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that's what and that's what sort of like people that
just run their podcasts on their own, for example, just
a podcaster and there's just one person, they have very
little admin to deal with. But if you suddenly got
up to a podcast network and you have fifty people,
then you start hiring managers because you have to to
manage those people. Then those managers have to bring in systems,
and then those systems need to be run and then
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just as a company, and it's and naturally it brings
in friction into the system.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
You know. I was reading that.
Speaker 4 (07:48):
There's an article in one of the New York is
not that long ago, and it's about this idea and
it was someone talking about the new things that started
where it's essentially people are just being putting out. People
now in the workforce are just putting out their own fire.
So like people are making fires and then about two
days later they're fixing the fires. And then that just
that's kind of how they work. Yeah, starting fires to
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put them out.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
Boy, a lot of people if you start. Really I
remember there was a.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
Guy that we worked There was a guy that we
worked with I won't say his name, but in a
department in this company that was putting out starting fires
just to put them out. And then he'd come to
you and you go, this has happened. And then after
about a year you realize you're starting all the stuff.
You're at the start and end of all of it.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
Yeah, I see his moved from place to place. Yeah,
and he's been putting up, starting and putting out fires
and other places too.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
With him.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
Unfortunately at one point he burned himself to the ground.
But be like me going up to Meshy and going, hey,
Jerry's like just got a real problem with you at
the moment. He's just a bit annoyed about.
Speaker 6 (08:48):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
We had an example of this when a guy came
in and said, he's just thinking that, Hey, this person
doesn't like the nickname you're using for for him. And
then we text to the person said what, I don't
even know that guy, So that there is these people
that things in there. Yeah, that's really weird.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
Well, in that situation, it turned out that that person
had had then text that the person whose nickname it
was and said, Hey, just so you know, I've had
having a chat to the guys about this nickname and
I'm going to get them to change it for you.
And he was like, no, you don't need to change it.
I'm fine with it.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
Because then that guy to Thread and said, and Thread,
I love those.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
Guys that he still he's still attempted to change it
and came in and said that he was solving a
problem because this other person was upset about the nickname.
That he'd completely fabricated the entire thing. It was very strange,
thought it was weird. That's an interesting insight into that
particular person's mind.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
What is the goal there? I can see how you
can do it. But like in companies, there's people that
work forward and actually this happens with bands. You'll have
a manager and because the bands are just focused on
playing the shows and writing the songs. A manager can
work across for themselves and cut out. But if you
get into big corporations, you sometimes come across people that
are working only politically politically for themselves within the company,
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and they don't care how much success there is going forward.
And in any given company, there's quite a lot of
quite a huge percentage of that. But if you're at
the cold face of creating content in the media company,
you can't really be that person.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
Because it takes a lot of energy.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
Yeah, because you've just got to come up with stuff,
so you can really get played against if you're if
you're not careful, Hey, can I play you guys some audio?
Speaker 3 (10:22):
Please see what you think of this tune?
Speaker 6 (10:24):
You on.
Speaker 7 (10:27):
Get a guys, look at his bike.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
Like your guys. My mom said, it's cool.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
It's cool.
Speaker 7 (10:41):
No, Morris, it's not cool.
Speaker 3 (10:43):
We've given you a girl's bike.
Speaker 7 (10:44):
Let's see how they react. Ironically, the very thing means
to protect Morris's head is now being used to meet
out of vicious beating. He's learned a harsh lesson today
for four classes to begun. There's nothing cool about.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
Steadler Who's a tea bag?
Speaker 6 (11:09):
That was?
Speaker 1 (11:10):
That was a reenactment of something that happened to me
when I my first day of intermediate, when I went
to school and I had a shining UBMX and I
had a special full face helmet, and I arrived at
school and it wasn't cool to wear a really cool
flash BBX racing gear at Bell McEwen Intermediate And as
I was locking my biicup, someone took my helmet off
me three guys and started throwing it around. And then
(11:32):
I jumped up to try and get it, and then
and then they noticed I kind of had a helmet
head haircut and started calling me a helmet out of
it and beat the living shit out of me for
five minutes the start of intermedia. The ship been out
of me first day with a helmet around my head.
And so yeah, I remade that in back of the
back of the y. So I've just been relocking into it.
(11:54):
I remade made the thing, but I swopped it around
for a wood winning act of Phil Bruff playing the
role of me and changed his name to Morris.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
Ed the red head part.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
Well, we couldn't do the bowl cut because we didn't
have any way to do my humiliating bowl cut. Here's
my bowl cut, Mesh, you come and look at us.
This is the bold cut I was sporting. That's that's
the bowl cut I was sporting. Yeah, and so I can.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
See that's a proper phelic shaped bowl cut that on.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
But anyway, the reason why I talk about this is
because recently I arrived at work on my little e bike,
my little orange bike, and a similar thing happened because
I pulled up in front of the cool kids again,
which was you, Jeremy and David Nieker, and you had
and you had the you had the call bike, and
once again I was backing intermediate.
Speaker 3 (12:36):
Just didn't pack on me.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
But still at any point I felt like you could
have taken my helmet off and hit me around the
head with that.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
David Nicer did say, that's exactly the type of bike
that I thought you'd ride. And I mean, you could
take that as an insult, or you could take that
it's just a general observation.
Speaker 3 (12:51):
Well, I'll tell you what.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
I turned it into content with the on my subject
Matt subject dot com. Rideing humiliation the Tuesday Morning column.
A dangerously uncalled bike a head injury and a mean
comment from an incredibly handsome professional boxer may be a
fan of embarrassing my myself. You can read that right now.
It meant he's got substack dot com.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
Not I'm not just saying that. I'm not evening just
brought this up to promote my substance. It doesn't sound
like you have it all. Doesn't sound like you wouldn't.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
I wouldn't use this forum to promote my own ship.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
No, why would you?
Speaker 2 (13:21):
Why would you do that?
Speaker 1 (13:22):
Anyway, let's circle back round to your penties, my p Well,
if I'm howking shit, and then then I think it's
only fear that only fear that you hock your seven
sharp stuff, you anything, you've got, anything that you're selling
the moment message.
Speaker 4 (13:35):
You know, I was just thinking that I should I
should probably start something.
Speaker 3 (13:38):
Yeah, this would be big.
Speaker 4 (13:39):
I've got no jokes sid that there's a platform that
I should probably start using at some point.
Speaker 3 (13:43):
Maybe I should start Let's start a substack mate and
what and write about what? Just write about your experiences
with Jay Wells.
Speaker 4 (13:50):
Why not just like slightly creepy, kind of handy ones.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
I think go back to something something more practical, something
a little bit more solid, like for example, as are
saying before, like your undies. But I think and your
situation just lightly soiled, just not actually heavily soiled. Because
you reckon, there's anything always know where the line is?
Speaker 6 (14:10):
Man? She?
Speaker 3 (14:10):
Do you reckon? There's anything you could.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
Do on only Fans that I would subscribe to.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
No, I don't know if I don't really know something
some kind of track you've got up your sleeve, Lauren,
somewhere you track up your sleep.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
No, you are right, There's are a lot of options
involving Laurence.
Speaker 4 (14:29):
I'm sure I would make plenty of money, but I'm
pretty keen to stay away from those.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
You don't want to get down the path of pushing
your girlfriend into stuff like that to make money, because
you end up going to hell as the most evil
person in the world.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
You must suff something in your bagger tracks, something in
my bigger tracks, mane.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
You can share with people your magic. Why don't your
crack open your magic again? On pay for that and
an only fans.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
Here's a flescid penis. Hey, Preston, now, it's erect.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
Is the thing you could get a flescid penis.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
How would you get how would he get how would
get it?
Speaker 3 (15:03):
Fless?
Speaker 2 (15:05):
Sorry, I don't know what I was thinking that. What
was I thinking?
Speaker 3 (15:09):
It's impossible? Yeah, it's impossible.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
Can we take a break and come back with Christian color.
Speaker 6 (15:14):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (15:14):
I think we just want to take a ship as well.
That was triggering for me that chat because I actually
am film it and put on fans. I'll pay for that.
Speaker 4 (15:23):
Film it from what like a kind of from a
worm's view from down below, just haven't dropped down onto
the lens.
Speaker 8 (15:31):
Yep, it'll come back with Christian Coln.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
We're back and my back and what I saw from
a worm's view, I don't I actually don't get a
I actually don't want to pay for that. Not subscribing
subscribing one. That's one and done for me on your
Only Fans.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
Yeah, it's quite freaky looking up into you, MESHI.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
I'd rather not look up to you.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
There's one thing I'd rather not do. Christian Callen, are
you there?
Speaker 6 (16:05):
Am?
Speaker 2 (16:07):
Sorry? Jeez, you had to listen to that horrific conversation
that we're having about Mershi, who's producer who's trying to
run some kind of weird OnlyFans page where he sort
of does a worm's eye view of things that he
does on the toilet, and we don't want to see
that sort of.
Speaker 6 (16:22):
Make plenty of money though far.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
Yeah, he's going to make some He's going to make
good coin. This's no doubt about that totally.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
We don't want to talk about that sort of nonsense
with an all black. Great, that's that's not right. Welcome
to the podcast, Christian, Thank you. Where do we find
you today?
Speaker 6 (16:41):
I'm just sitting in the car, just drop the kids
off at school. So yeah, but chilly down here today
on the Kepi coast, but it's all good.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
Oh yeah, yeah, Well this thoughts impressed to Awkland us
because it's at thirteen degrees and they were giving announcements
today that we need to rug up because we can't
handle anything under thirteen degrees. So Liberty Treasure Island, you've
just been being out there?
Speaker 3 (17:02):
Where was that shot?
Speaker 1 (17:03):
This time?
Speaker 6 (17:06):
Just off Coramandel somewhere. It was about a thirty minute boat.
Speaker 5 (17:10):
Ride, sort of still still inland, but ye're quicker to
get there by a boat. So yeah, but a farm
farmland that they they turned into a treasure island.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
Oh okay, so really as an island as the North
Island is that right, that's.
Speaker 6 (17:28):
A big island.
Speaker 5 (17:29):
It wasn't quite Fiji Fiji or Balley or any anywhere
special like that. So yeah, she got reasonably cold at night.
And yeah, yeah, that's one of the tropics.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
I think that that whole thing of doing celebrity Treasure
Island in New Zealand has been a bit a bit
more challenging in terms of the night times the people
used to speak. Although to be fair, Lanna Cocroft didn't
she nearly die on a cockroach at one point.
Speaker 3 (17:51):
It's been challenging in the past.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
Yeah, that was the cockroach situation. Didn't need any cockroaches,
did you, Christian?
Speaker 6 (17:57):
No, No, that's not my thing mate.
Speaker 5 (17:58):
I'm I'm not a big outdoorsy type boshwaalkie fishing.
Speaker 6 (18:04):
I don't really like the sand, so all.
Speaker 5 (18:06):
The things that I'm actually against what every kind of
that head us. Yeah, I don't mind swimming in the sea,
but yeah, just when you get out and saying it's
in between your bloody toes and you know it's in
your towel and your clothes.
Speaker 6 (18:19):
Yeah, I don't like the sand.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
Oh, I never would have picked you for a guy.
That didn't like the sand. That's that's quite interesting.
Speaker 6 (18:27):
Yeah, I like the heat. I love I love the idea.
Speaker 5 (18:30):
Of going to the beach, but yeah, when you're leaving sand,
sand ends up everywhere.
Speaker 6 (18:34):
Yet it does my head and it's.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
A pretty because I would have thought the beach is
a good opportunity for you to get the rig out.
I was just looking at a picture of you here
and the rig good shape. It's rig still looking particularly good.
What are you what's your routine at the moment? What
are you doing exercise wise?
Speaker 6 (18:50):
Are you looking at a picture like from twenty years ago?
Speaker 3 (18:55):
You were always famous.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
You always rumors that you were you were a demon
in the German terms of your your power to weight
ratio and how much you could be bench but that
was that was a really common rumor about you back
back in the day when your AB's was that true.
Speaker 5 (19:09):
Oh it's a good room, right so yeah, yeah you
no at there. Let's see the body to weight ratio.
So there were guys doing there's guys doing more weight,
but they were the usually the prop boards with a
big chests and short arms, so their bench press was
a bit of a shorter push.
Speaker 6 (19:26):
Than what what us backs were so Yeah, I.
Speaker 5 (19:29):
Was about eighty five kgs or something, doing about one
fifty five or something like that.
Speaker 6 (19:34):
Wo.
Speaker 3 (19:35):
No, that's buddy good because.
Speaker 6 (19:36):
I could not. I could not do that.
Speaker 3 (19:38):
Now well, looking back.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
At it, like the time that you played, the time
when when you did play for the Orbites. I watched
a game recently. It was the Blues versus the Highlanders
from nineteen ninety eight I think it was. And man,
the rugby was. It was really quick, It was intense.
There was there was no mucking around for scra so
(20:00):
I mean the scrum was packed down and at least
less than ten seconds every single time. It was like yep,
just knock on all right here, quick, scrumb it down
and the ball. I saw these guys flying into rucks
and I thought to myself, what the fuck are you
up to? This is this is nuts. People were flying
in from all angles, people were getting spat out of
(20:21):
the back with people rucking the shit out of people's backs, and.
Speaker 3 (20:24):
It was It was brutal, but it was really good
to watch.
Speaker 6 (20:28):
Yeah, the good old days.
Speaker 5 (20:29):
I think if you're a flanker back in those days,
if you came in and had a shower, you didn't
have any rucknack ruck marks on your back. You didn't
have a good good game. So yeah, the old rest
are a bit leaning and back back then. And I
can still remember that I got tackled out wide and
something happened and it ended up being a scrum, and
I was running back to position and I turned around
and the ball was in Mercer's hands.
Speaker 6 (20:54):
The scrumming form, I think.
Speaker 5 (20:56):
Yeah, back then, the front row used to be a race,
a race to get to the Also, the quicker you
got there.
Speaker 6 (21:01):
They yeah, you usually won the scrum.
Speaker 5 (21:04):
So, yeah, she's slowed up a bit now, but I
guess they you know, I mean, sometimes it does our heading,
but I guess there's a bit of a safety thing.
And the boys are probably bigger and more powerful and
you know, a bit more a better technique. So yeah,
I guess I've got to look after But yeah, to
a certain extent, that sort of does my heading about
how long, so much less scrums.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
You had so much less rest back in the day. Though,
it have a good set of much bigger set of lungs.
Speaker 3 (21:28):
Yeah, and you had to play a full game.
Speaker 6 (21:29):
That's true, that's true.
Speaker 5 (21:31):
Yeah, Yeah, I mean, yeah, you do only usually get
subbed off, especially in the forward's a if if you
got injured, and yeah, I mean still remember you know
FITZI when he got finally got subbed off, man, he
didn't want to come off. You'd play with the injuries
and you give some mug another chance. And I think
normally it said on the bench, well bloody fifty odd
test matches or something like that.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
So the last thing in one and then changed an
impact player coming on and proving themselves.
Speaker 3 (21:57):
Yeah, and the other part wasn't that's right if you're
talking to the head.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
As long as you're as long as after you got
up you went the right direction back to your side,
then you're all good to go. But I mean if
you wandered around sort of a little bit jelly legged
in the opposition's back line, they generally have a little
look at you. Maybe you'd take a knee and just
take five. But yeah, that was what I noticed in
this game that I was watching. Is is it the
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amount of what I'm trying to say is I think
you could. I felt like you could play the game
if you wanted to and you were fit, You could
play the game at pace. Whereas now what I'm watching.
Is that traditional idea that the All Blacks have had
over the last week while, which is to play test
rugby as quick as you can. I don't know if
that's possible anymore. I think it's much easier to slow
the game down than it is to speed the ball
of the game up.
Speaker 5 (22:44):
Yeah, yeah, I mean, I guess we're all a tiny
but frustrated with I guess I don't know where the
game is at the moment, and I don't know. People
all pretty negative about the All Blacks and how we
lost to Syreska and we.
Speaker 6 (22:55):
Lost the Film Cup.
Speaker 5 (22:56):
But I look at it on the sort of the
other side of things, and you know, what would people
be saying if we won the World Cup last year,
Like we've missed a couple of kicks that the boys
would get. We could have beaten Serathka over Serafrika the
last two tests. Like I'm thinking, like, you know, what
would people be saying about, you know, Scott Robinson and
the team now if we had won those and we
could have like Seraska at the peak of their powers
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at the moment and they pretty good side. But you know,
we're a new coaching group and some new players and
We've lost a lot of bit of experience and we
still almost managed to beat them, So there is a
bit of an upside there, and you know, we've just
got to give it time and you know, let's just
hang in there.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
Personally, I find it really exciting at the moment. You know,
I've never been so on the the edge of my seat.
But yeah, as you say, like you know, in twenty eleven,
how different would Graham Henry be remembered.
Speaker 3 (23:47):
Right now?
Speaker 1 (23:48):
It was only one point between being absolute hero to
be celebrated forever, you know, and same the other way
around in the World Cup for South Africa. So yeah,
I see what you're saying.
Speaker 5 (23:57):
Yeah, well Ted wouldn't be living on on wacky Island.
Speaker 6 (24:00):
I don't see something to spare.
Speaker 3 (24:05):
This is just one point. Yeah, I'm having out here.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
Christian Callen number two all Black try scorer and behind
Doug Howett and Joe Rocothocco and behind you with Julian.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
Julian Severe scored a lot of tries.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
Didn't he for I guess he played for five years
and Bodon Beart is still going. He's on he's on
forty four. How do you feel about your try scoring record?
Now that must fill you with the senses of a
great sense of pride.
Speaker 5 (24:37):
Oh yeah, I mean probably when you're an outside back.
I mean that's part of your job description writers to
is to score tries and fitish off what I guess
other people have done. And so I mean I always say, mate,
you know, okay, you score some individual tries, but a
lot of them are team tries and in the work
of other people. And if you stay around the game
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long enough, you will records. So yeah, okay, you get
a try screen record and you have it for a
little bit. But there'll be guys that will you know,
will Jordan for example, if he stays foot and kids
on plane, like he'll he'll get there eventually if if
he doesn't go overseas. But yeah, records have made to
be broken a and that's that's the beauty about it.
Speaker 6 (25:19):
Yeah, it was pretty good. It was cool to score
the tries.
Speaker 5 (25:22):
And that's probably I reckon that's the one thing you
kind of misses that buzz and that energy from the crowd.
And when you do score a try for the All Blacks, like, man,
you can't get you can't get that anywhere else, Like
that's that's a pretty cool feeling.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
I bet that would be amazing. But you know you
say that, but you know, so many people mention you
as is, you know, the favorite player of all time,
one of their favorite players of all time. And if
you go on YouTube, there's there's a lot of people
that have cut together highlights the reels of Christian Callen.
Have you ever gone on watch your highlight reels?
Speaker 5 (25:53):
Well, every now and again when the when the kids say, oh,
you know, you're trying to tell them something, you have
to sort of remind them to I did play for
the All Blacks a few games. What do you That's
the beauty about the Antiday and YouTube you can.
Speaker 6 (26:10):
Show the kids that, yeah, no, I did used to play.
How old are you?
Speaker 3 (26:14):
How old are your kids?
Speaker 5 (26:16):
Oh? My oldest is sixteen, and then we have fourteen,
thirteen and twelve.
Speaker 3 (26:20):
Oh that's great. And are they sports? Are they into sport?
Speaker 6 (26:25):
Yeah, they're into it.
Speaker 5 (26:25):
So I've got boy girl, boy girl, so yeah, no,
they're into a bit of everything really, so yeah, I
mean the three of them. Actually, the girl plays a
bit of rugby, she goes alright, and the older boy
does and a bit of cheering, a bit of netball,
but of football, so you're the only thing. They haven't
taken up golf yet, which I'm a bit disappointed about.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
And as your oldest boy back or a forward, is
he taking after you? Is in outside backs?
Speaker 5 (26:50):
Yeah, he's an outside back, so he's yeah, yeah, he
goes to Parmi boys up and up in man or
two there so yet no, he go a bit of
a winger, a bit of fullback and then the younger
boy he's in the front right at the moment. So
it's not something I have too much information I could
give him about that.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
Now, let's talk about Celebrity Treasure Island just quickly, because
I mean, you're a formidable opponent. I would have thought
in Celebrity Treos Island, particularly around the non sand based challenges.
Speaker 5 (27:21):
Yeah, well, unfortunately a lot of the challenges were done
with sand around you. Yeah, and then when there's no
showers and all that sort of stuff and having to
clean yourself and wash yourself and the beat and the sea, yeah,
you just can't avoid the sand.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
It looks like you made a bit of a friendship
with friend of the show mill and Beard. What a
great newsalander he is?
Speaker 6 (27:43):
Oh how good?
Speaker 5 (27:46):
I mean I'm a I love a good joke and
I but I can I need someone to be very
very funny to kind of make me laugh. And he was,
I don't know, just the way he delivered and just
some of the things he said.
Speaker 6 (27:59):
And some of the just the way he looked sometimes
just made me laugh.
Speaker 5 (28:02):
So yeah, I got on really well with Milsey and yeah,
still in contact with him now and paid a few
rounds of golf with him.
Speaker 6 (28:10):
And yeah, he's a good man.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
He can appear in a movie and just say four
words and own the whole movie, as he did recently
in that movie Megan his Delivery. He's just one of
the most funniest human beings our nations have produced.
Speaker 6 (28:23):
Very very funny, very funny.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
Speaking of funny, Baba I see was one of the
other cast members. I've had a little bit to do
with her over the years. She's one of the funniest
people I've ever met.
Speaker 6 (28:35):
Well, yeah, she's right up there too.
Speaker 5 (28:36):
So I got actually got on well with both of
those two. So Buba obviously with well, firstly, she didn't
know that I had a bit of Somemond blood of me,
so once I told her that, she yeah, we become
quite tight.
Speaker 6 (28:51):
But she's another one a she just laughs and you
know she was. She was good for the camp.
Speaker 5 (28:57):
Yeah, hurt my handstring, so she but he got the
old magic hands out and message and everything like that.
Speaker 3 (29:03):
How good.
Speaker 6 (29:04):
She was great value.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
I mean, I'm surprised that she would have known that
you played for the Blacks. She didn't seem to know
that anybody on the cast of task Master what they did.
She didn't even really know why she was on task
Master half the time.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
Well, she came in to promote her a new TV
show recently, not that, not not Slipper show, another one,
and she didn't know anything about that. But she sells
a good steak down at Tony Steakhouse.
Speaker 6 (29:25):
That's off to get it when I get to Auckland.
Speaker 3 (29:29):
Yeah, she was like that.
Speaker 5 (29:30):
I don't think she knew I played for the All
Blacks until until somebody told us.
Speaker 6 (29:34):
Another sort of people you love to meet. That's yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
It's interesting actually looking at the cast this year, you
got like some politicians in there running political lines and there,
and then you've got political analysts like Duncan Gharana, You've
got Tarmady Coffee its politician brook Us Boy you've got
it's quite it's quite a crew out there.
Speaker 6 (29:53):
Yeah. Hell, hell, hell, how much would you trust those guys?
Not at all. I got him really well with Dunk.
Speaker 5 (30:01):
I got him really well with Duncan because he's yeah,
I don't know, we just kind of connected and he's well,
he's a man of the land, right, so, which I'm
not a man of the land, but he I just
sort of hung around with him a bit when later on,
and yeah.
Speaker 6 (30:16):
He loves a fish, and he slept a lot, like
he could just sleep anywhere. He's Dunk. He's Duncan. Oh
there he is.
Speaker 3 (30:24):
That's a super power. Being able to sleep as a
sleep a power.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
I know why that is. And I'm looking here, Susan Paul.
How did Suzan Paul go and the in the tough
confines of not being able to I thought she would
she'd enjoy a bit of pempering Susanmple.
Speaker 6 (30:41):
Yeah. Yeah, well she bought the big.
Speaker 5 (30:44):
A nice little sort of puffer jacket that was quite shiny,
and she still could have her makeup and do stuff
in the morning and.
Speaker 6 (30:51):
Get herself really ready for the day.
Speaker 5 (30:53):
So yeah, it was just more than probably the showering
and the nice comfy bed, and I know she does
sell like massage chairs and on TV, so we didn't
have any of those there. But it was actually know
a lot of people have asked me, all, you know,
you guys be going staying at hotels and the Seriously,
it wasn't that at all.
Speaker 3 (31:12):
Yeah, she was.
Speaker 5 (31:13):
She was quite a rough at night and it got
really cold because we had no bloody windows or no
back door or in the hut. So yeah, the wind
sort of came through and it did get pretty cold
at night.
Speaker 6 (31:23):
So you just you just got on.
Speaker 5 (31:25):
Your bloody sleeping bag and pulled the cover over your
head and you know, tried to get some sleep.
Speaker 6 (31:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (31:30):
No amount of natural glow is going to help Susan
Paul with that.
Speaker 2 (31:34):
No. Christian Callen, thanks so much for your time this morning.
Celebrity Trees of Island Monday, Tuesday Wednesday seven thirty on
TV and Z too, and you can watch it on
TV and Z Plus as well. Thanks so much for
your time, Christians.
Speaker 6 (31:50):
Guys, take it easy, all right, see you later.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
So yeah, what a great New Zealander Christian Kallen.
Speaker 2 (31:55):
Yeah, there's there's Christian Callen. He's on Celebrity Treesure Island
with the castles, Casey Corpush's silver ferns. Obviously, you've got
Duncan Ghana your broadcaster. You've got me and Mottu the boxer.
Oh yeah, you know me and Mottu.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
You got Wirrangy Corpou former warrior. So you got some
specimens out there.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
Drag superstar, Spanky Jackson's there. You got James Roliston who,
James Rolliston is an actor, Eyes and Boy. Oh yeah
you're from Boy. Yeah, okay, yep, great New Zealander. All right,
Barber the comedian. So lot's happening, Yeah, lot's happening on
Slippery tries on.
Speaker 4 (32:32):
Yeah, crazy the dunk and also it's a sleep all
the time.
Speaker 3 (32:34):
I don't really Yeah, some kind of sleep disease.
Speaker 1 (32:38):
I don't know what would that would happen to someone.
But yeah, that brings the end of the show. So
make sure you follow Meshy on his Worm's View only
fans that will be and me on my Matt Heath
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of a bit of that Worm's o View up there
as well. Shove that up your right, all right, okay, okay,
then you see him busy, go.
Speaker 3 (32:58):
For a snooze.
Speaker 1 (32:59):
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the seventeenth of the Nights in the Year of Our
Lord twenty twenty four. Welcome all you bespoke, you donkeys
to the Daily Bespoke podcast. We've got Christian Cullen on
the show today. Kelly, one of the greatest fullbacks of
all time, also played at Center Didney for the All
Blacks at one point.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Well let's not talk about that. That was for the
disastrous nineteen ninety nine World Cup.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
The man can cut through a defense like a knighte
through batter, honey.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
Yeah, he cut through defenses like the Pantsman, The Notorious
Pantsman Joel Harrison cut a sway through the ins in me.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
Like a couple of.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
Iron Maiden Fansy my maiden there, Yep, sure, the Maiden something.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
We're going to have a photo. What we're going to
do is I'm assuming we're going to have a photo
take in here, which is going to be quite unusual. Yeah,
you know what, we're going to stand up against the.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
You boys could go and say hi or that's blood.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
I love to, but it's just we've got to do
this podcast unfortunately, and Christian you've got.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
Christian calling in them. And I want to promote my
substackt mad He's got substack dot com writing Humiliation the
Tuesday Morning Calumn out now made substeckt dot com.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
You might have to get it in by the window
here for this. So have we seen there's guys outside
with a photo.
Speaker 4 (02:16):
We're looking for a photo be.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
Really dangerous to get the minute, would wouldn't it? It
would be really Yeah? Good point from those guys right on.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
I like those guys.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
I like them like they just prayed like sleep I
think that I feel like I've slept.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
They look like sleepers to me.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
Tell you, you shift a lot of T shirts at
an Iron Maiden concert, don't you?
Speaker 5 (02:43):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (02:45):
Fuck you shift a lot of T shirts at an
Iron Maiden.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
Iron made them were Iron Maid and T shirts when
they're playing.
Speaker 6 (02:49):
Mmm.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
Yes, yeah, it's interesting the band that has its own
T shirts, So it's an interesting band.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
Do you have a walk around wearing a radio headachey
T shirt? Do they do seven sharp tshirts?
Speaker 2 (03:02):
Yep, we've got a We've got a Yeah, we've got
some merch yet seven sharp caps and have you?
Speaker 3 (03:08):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (03:09):
Would kill you toss seven sharp cap?
Speaker 3 (03:12):
You want one? Yeah? Yeah, yeah? Sure.
Speaker 4 (03:15):
Are they still making those replica hello Berry panties? They
sell those at the gift shop there tv Erry panties. No,
the replica is not the extra ones.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
Are there any Wells panties?
Speaker 6 (03:26):
Do?
Speaker 3 (03:26):
They say? The Wells ones?
Speaker 2 (03:28):
The boxes has worn like I wear them and then
you put them into a little canister and you put
them in every.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
Day before show, you're putting on and taking off twenty
five pairs of pantees.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
Those ones in Japan, like get panties that have been
wre do TV and did run a gift shop in it?
Speaker 3 (03:44):
Nah? They should do. They should have a gift shop
in there. I should do.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
Put everyone through the gift shop. You can't really visit tho.
Can you like the sea? They don't do? Do they
do tours? Yep?
Speaker 3 (03:53):
They do.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
Actually, the tours of the newsroom generally are auctioned off
at charity auctions and safe and Joe Mark Brown, who's
in charge of the newsroom, she will do the tour.
They sort of swing on by and then you get
to sit in and watch the news being done. The
other day, I was walking. I was Friday night, actually
I was. I had to go up to the top
perception area TV and z it up in the eight
(04:14):
tree in there, and it was for four o'clock. There
was not a soul in the entire building. Like, there
was not a single person.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
Oh yeah, because of layoffs or because of laziness.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
I think, yeah, I think a heady mix of both.
So I chatted to the security guy, Ian, who's been
there for fifteen years, and I said.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
Ian, where are the yeah is everybody? And Ian said layoffs.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
And laziness Ian, That's exactly what it was.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
Me and Ian is in sinkers two four ladies flatting together.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
I finally repaired my relationship with the end because me
and I and we had some issues.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
I was out over you entering the building walking up
the driving ramp.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
Yep, I was you were caught on CCTV footage a lot. Yeah,
I was called a ramper.
Speaker 4 (05:07):
And Joe Ridell facilities over the TV and Z.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
Yeah, Ian, I felt and you know, I didn't ever
express this to Ian's face, but I felt like at
the time, TV and Z had thought that maybe it
was a security business and it wasn't a television making business.
It was more focused on its security and all of
that sort of stuff that it was about making TV
(05:32):
at the time.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
Well, there's weird things in at.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
NZ me like that, Like every every brand like Pardeki
has a truck and you basically have to fill out
twenty five forms and triplicate to use the truck, and
then when you drive it out, you just get barraged
with emails about because it's tracking you, and you got
to ask yourself, what is the problem you're trying to
solve here? If you know what I mean, what's the
worst case scenario that someone takes the truck out and
(05:57):
drives it around and does some work in it with
spending ages signing up for it and.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
Well, now if you if you go out and you
speed in it, then you get an email for it.
I saw you speeding because they monitor the speed you go.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
Yeah, I mean, I'm always want because I actually read
read Hastings, you know, the CEO of Netflix, and he's
a big believer in not overseeing anyone at all. He
doesn't check their doesn't check their accounts, that doesn't have
anyone check their expenditure or any.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
Of that kind of thing.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
It just says to them like, I expect you to
keep this down, and he goes. And his idea was
that all in a company that is focused on policing
at workers will not be outward focusing, you know what
I mean. So he's like, if someone's taking someone out
to dinner and they have a few bottles of wine
themselves or whatever, that I don't really mind that in
(06:44):
the big scheme of things, but I just don't want
to hire a lot of people that are looking in
at inwood into the company. Yeah, he wants everyone looking outward.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
Yeah, well that would that would make sense in the
media company, Yeah, because your job is to send stuff out.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
But there becomes There's this great paper that was written
called bullshit Jobs, and I was talking about how the
bigger a company gets, the more bullshit jobs that are employed,
and then departments just get better and bigger. That a
bullshit operated because the more bullshit they do, the more
power they get, if you know what I mean. And
it's sort of a cancer that gets into companies. So
(07:20):
that's what and that's what sort of like people that
just run their podcasts on their own, for example, just
a podcaster and there's just one person, they have very
little admin to deal with. But if you suddenly got
up to a podcast network and you have fifty people,
then you start hiring managers because you have to to
manage those people. Then those managers have to bring in systems,
and then those systems need to be run and then
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just as a company, and it's and naturally it brings
in friction into the system.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
You know. I was reading that.
Speaker 4 (07:48):
There's an article in one of the New York is
not that long ago, and it's about this idea and
it was someone talking about the new things that started
where it's essentially people are just being putting out. People
now in the workforce are just putting out their own fire.
So like people are making fires and then about two
days later they're fixing the fires. And then that just
that's kind of how they work. Yeah, starting fires to
(08:08):
put them out.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
Boy, a lot of people if you start. Really I
remember there was a.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
Guy that we worked There was a guy that we
worked with I won't say his name, but in a
department in this company that was putting out starting fires
just to put them out. And then he'd come to
you and you go, this has happened. And then after
about a year you realize you're starting all the stuff.
You're at the start and end of all of it.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
Yeah, I see his moved from place to place. Yeah,
and he's been putting up, starting and putting out fires
and other places too.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
With him.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
Unfortunately at one point he burned himself to the ground.
But be like me going up to Meshy and going, hey,
Jerry's like just got a real problem with you at
the moment. He's just a bit annoyed about.
Speaker 6 (08:48):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
We had an example of this when a guy came
in and said, he's just thinking that, Hey, this person
doesn't like the nickname you're using for for him. And
then we text to the person said what, I don't
even know that guy, So that there is these people
that things in there. Yeah, that's really weird.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
Well, in that situation, it turned out that that person
had had then text that the person whose nickname it
was and said, Hey, just so you know, I've had
having a chat to the guys about this nickname and
I'm going to get them to change it for you.
And he was like, no, you don't need to change it.
I'm fine with it.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
Because then that guy to Thread and said, and Thread,
I love those.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
Guys that he still he's still attempted to change it
and came in and said that he was solving a
problem because this other person was upset about the nickname.
That he'd completely fabricated the entire thing. It was very strange,
thought it was weird. That's an interesting insight into that
particular person's mind.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
What is the goal there? I can see how you
can do it. But like in companies, there's people that
work forward and actually this happens with bands. You'll have
a manager and because the bands are just focused on
playing the shows and writing the songs. A manager can
work across for themselves and cut out. But if you
get into big corporations, you sometimes come across people that
are working only politically politically for themselves within the company,
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and they don't care how much success there is going forward.
And in any given company, there's quite a lot of
quite a huge percentage of that. But if you're at
the cold face of creating content in the media company,
you can't really be that person.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
Because it takes a lot of energy.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
Yeah, because you've just got to come up with stuff,
so you can really get played against if you're if
you're not careful, Hey, can I play you guys some audio?
Speaker 3 (10:22):
Please see what you think of this tune?
Speaker 6 (10:24):
You on.
Speaker 7 (10:27):
Get a guys, look at his bike.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
Like your guys. My mom said, it's cool.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
It's cool.
Speaker 7 (10:41):
No, Morris, it's not cool.
Speaker 3 (10:43):
We've given you a girl's bike.
Speaker 7 (10:44):
Let's see how they react. Ironically, the very thing means
to protect Morris's head is now being used to meet
out of vicious beating. He's learned a harsh lesson today
for four classes to begun. There's nothing cool about.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
Steadler Who's a tea bag?
Speaker 6 (11:09):
That was?
Speaker 1 (11:10):
That was a reenactment of something that happened to me
when I my first day of intermediate, when I went
to school and I had a shining UBMX and I
had a special full face helmet, and I arrived at
school and it wasn't cool to wear a really cool
flash BBX racing gear at Bell McEwen Intermediate And as
I was locking my biicup, someone took my helmet off
me three guys and started throwing it around. And then
(11:32):
I jumped up to try and get it, and then
and then they noticed I kind of had a helmet
head haircut and started calling me a helmet out of
it and beat the living shit out of me for
five minutes the start of intermedia. The ship been out
of me first day with a helmet around my head.
And so yeah, I remade that in back of the
back of the y. So I've just been relocking into it.
(11:54):
I remade made the thing, but I swopped it around
for a wood winning act of Phil Bruff playing the
role of me and changed his name to Morris.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
Ed the red head part.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
Well, we couldn't do the bowl cut because we didn't
have any way to do my humiliating bowl cut. Here's
my bowl cut, Mesh, you come and look at us.
This is the bold cut I was sporting. That's that's
the bowl cut I was sporting. Yeah, and so I can.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
See that's a proper phelic shaped bowl cut that on.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
But anyway, the reason why I talk about this is
because recently I arrived at work on my little e bike,
my little orange bike, and a similar thing happened because
I pulled up in front of the cool kids again,
which was you, Jeremy and David Nieker, and you had
and you had the you had the call bike, and
once again I was backing intermediate.
Speaker 3 (12:36):
Just didn't pack on me.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
But still at any point I felt like you could
have taken my helmet off and hit me around the
head with that.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
David Nicer did say, that's exactly the type of bike
that I thought you'd ride. And I mean, you could
take that as an insult, or you could take that
it's just a general observation.
Speaker 3 (12:51):
Well, I'll tell you what.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
I turned it into content with the on my subject
Matt subject dot com. Rideing humiliation the Tuesday Morning column.
A dangerously uncalled bike a head injury and a mean
comment from an incredibly handsome professional boxer may be a
fan of embarrassing my myself. You can read that right now.
It meant he's got substack dot com.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
Not I'm not just saying that. I'm not evening just
brought this up to promote my substance. It doesn't sound
like you have it all. Doesn't sound like you wouldn't.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
I wouldn't use this forum to promote my own ship.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
No, why would you?
Speaker 2 (13:21):
Why would you do that?
Speaker 1 (13:22):
Anyway, let's circle back round to your penties, my p Well,
if I'm howking shit, and then then I think it's
only fear that only fear that you hock your seven
sharp stuff, you anything, you've got, anything that you're selling
the moment message.
Speaker 4 (13:35):
You know, I was just thinking that I should I
should probably start something.
Speaker 3 (13:38):
Yeah, this would be big.
Speaker 4 (13:39):
I've got no jokes sid that there's a platform that
I should probably start using at some point.
Speaker 3 (13:43):
Maybe I should start Let's start a substack mate and
what and write about what? Just write about your experiences
with Jay Wells.
Speaker 4 (13:50):
Why not just like slightly creepy, kind of handy ones.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
I think go back to something something more practical, something
a little bit more solid, like for example, as are
saying before, like your undies. But I think and your
situation just lightly soiled, just not actually heavily soiled. Because
you reckon, there's anything always know where the line is?
Speaker 6 (14:10):
Man? She?
Speaker 3 (14:10):
Do you reckon? There's anything you could.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
Do on only Fans that I would subscribe to.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
No, I don't know if I don't really know something
some kind of track you've got up your sleeve, Lauren,
somewhere you track up your sleep.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
No, you are right, There's are a lot of options
involving Laurence.
Speaker 4 (14:29):
I'm sure I would make plenty of money, but I'm
pretty keen to stay away from those.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
You don't want to get down the path of pushing
your girlfriend into stuff like that to make money, because
you end up going to hell as the most evil
person in the world.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
You must suff something in your bagger tracks, something in
my bigger tracks, mane.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
You can share with people your magic. Why don't your
crack open your magic again? On pay for that and
an only fans.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
Here's a flescid penis. Hey, Preston, now, it's erect.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
Is the thing you could get a flescid penis.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
How would you get how would he get how would
get it?
Speaker 3 (15:03):
Fless?
Speaker 2 (15:05):
Sorry, I don't know what I was thinking that. What
was I thinking?
Speaker 3 (15:09):
It's impossible? Yeah, it's impossible.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
Can we take a break and come back with Christian color.
Speaker 6 (15:14):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (15:14):
I think we just want to take a ship as well.
That was triggering for me that chat because I actually
am film it and put on fans. I'll pay for that.
Speaker 4 (15:23):
Film it from what like a kind of from a
worm's view from down below, just haven't dropped down onto
the lens.
Speaker 8 (15:31):
Yep, it'll come back with Christian Coln.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
We're back and my back and what I saw from
a worm's view, I don't I actually don't get a
I actually don't want to pay for that. Not subscribing
subscribing one. That's one and done for me on your
Only Fans.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
Yeah, it's quite freaky looking up into you, MESHI.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
I'd rather not look up to you.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
There's one thing I'd rather not do. Christian Callen, are
you there?
Speaker 6 (16:05):
Am?
Speaker 2 (16:07):
Sorry? Jeez, you had to listen to that horrific conversation
that we're having about Mershi, who's producer who's trying to
run some kind of weird OnlyFans page where he sort
of does a worm's eye view of things that he
does on the toilet, and we don't want to see
that sort of.
Speaker 6 (16:22):
Make plenty of money though far.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
Yeah, he's going to make some He's going to make
good coin. This's no doubt about that totally.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
We don't want to talk about that sort of nonsense
with an all black. Great, that's that's not right. Welcome
to the podcast, Christian, Thank you. Where do we find
you today?
Speaker 6 (16:41):
I'm just sitting in the car, just drop the kids
off at school. So yeah, but chilly down here today
on the Kepi coast, but it's all good.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
Oh yeah, yeah, Well this thoughts impressed to Awkland us
because it's at thirteen degrees and they were giving announcements
today that we need to rug up because we can't
handle anything under thirteen degrees. So Liberty Treasure Island, you've
just been being out there?
Speaker 3 (17:02):
Where was that shot?
Speaker 1 (17:03):
This time?
Speaker 6 (17:06):
Just off Coramandel somewhere. It was about a thirty minute boat.
Speaker 5 (17:10):
Ride, sort of still still inland, but ye're quicker to
get there by a boat. So yeah, but a farm
farmland that they they turned into a treasure island.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
Oh okay, so really as an island as the North
Island is that right, that's.
Speaker 6 (17:28):
A big island.
Speaker 5 (17:29):
It wasn't quite Fiji Fiji or Balley or any anywhere
special like that. So yeah, she got reasonably cold at night.
And yeah, yeah, that's one of the tropics.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
I think that that whole thing of doing celebrity Treasure
Island in New Zealand has been a bit a bit
more challenging in terms of the night times the people
used to speak. Although to be fair, Lanna Cocroft didn't
she nearly die on a cockroach at one point.
Speaker 3 (17:51):
It's been challenging in the past.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
Yeah, that was the cockroach situation. Didn't need any cockroaches,
did you, Christian?
Speaker 6 (17:57):
No, No, that's not my thing mate.
Speaker 5 (17:58):
I'm I'm not a big outdoorsy type boshwaalkie fishing.
Speaker 6 (18:04):
I don't really like the sand, so all.
Speaker 5 (18:06):
The things that I'm actually against what every kind of
that head us. Yeah, I don't mind swimming in the sea,
but yeah, just when you get out and saying it's
in between your bloody toes and you know it's in
your towel and your clothes.
Speaker 6 (18:19):
Yeah, I don't like the sand.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
Oh, I never would have picked you for a guy.
That didn't like the sand. That's that's quite interesting.
Speaker 6 (18:27):
Yeah, I like the heat. I love I love the idea.
Speaker 5 (18:30):
Of going to the beach, but yeah, when you're leaving sand,
sand ends up everywhere.
Speaker 6 (18:34):
Yet it does my head and it's.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
A pretty because I would have thought the beach is
a good opportunity for you to get the rig out.
I was just looking at a picture of you here
and the rig good shape. It's rig still looking particularly good.
What are you what's your routine at the moment? What
are you doing exercise wise?
Speaker 6 (18:50):
Are you looking at a picture like from twenty years ago?
Speaker 3 (18:55):
You were always famous.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
You always rumors that you were you were a demon
in the German terms of your your power to weight
ratio and how much you could be bench but that
was that was a really common rumor about you back
back in the day when your AB's was that true.
Speaker 5 (19:09):
Oh it's a good room, right so yeah, yeah you
no at there. Let's see the body to weight ratio.
So there were guys doing there's guys doing more weight,
but they were the usually the prop boards with a
big chests and short arms, so their bench press was
a bit of a shorter push.
Speaker 6 (19:26):
Than what what us backs were so Yeah, I.
Speaker 5 (19:29):
Was about eighty five kgs or something, doing about one
fifty five or something like that.
Speaker 6 (19:34):
Wo.
Speaker 3 (19:35):
No, that's buddy good because.
Speaker 6 (19:36):
I could not. I could not do that.
Speaker 3 (19:38):
Now well, looking back.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
At it, like the time that you played, the time
when when you did play for the Orbites. I watched
a game recently. It was the Blues versus the Highlanders
from nineteen ninety eight I think it was. And man,
the rugby was. It was really quick, It was intense.
There was there was no mucking around for scra so
(20:00):
I mean the scrum was packed down and at least
less than ten seconds every single time. It was like yep,
just knock on all right here, quick, scrumb it down
and the ball. I saw these guys flying into rucks
and I thought to myself, what the fuck are you
up to? This is this is nuts. People were flying
in from all angles, people were getting spat out of
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the back with people rucking the shit out of people's backs, and.
Speaker 3 (20:24):
It was It was brutal, but it was really good
to watch.
Speaker 6 (20:28):
Yeah, the good old days.
Speaker 5 (20:29):
I think if you're a flanker back in those days,
if you came in and had a shower, you didn't
have any rucknack ruck marks on your back. You didn't
have a good good game. So yeah, the old rest
are a bit leaning and back back then. And I
can still remember that I got tackled out wide and
something happened and it ended up being a scrum, and
I was running back to position and I turned around
and the ball was in Mercer's hands.
Speaker 6 (20:54):
The scrumming form, I think.
Speaker 5 (20:56):
Yeah, back then, the front row used to be a race,
a race to get to the Also, the quicker you
got there.
Speaker 6 (21:01):
They yeah, you usually won the scrum.
Speaker 5 (21:04):
So, yeah, she's slowed up a bit now, but I
guess they you know, I mean, sometimes it does our heading,
but I guess there's a bit of a safety thing.
And the boys are probably bigger and more powerful and
you know, a bit more a better technique. So yeah,
I guess I've got to look after But yeah, to
a certain extent, that sort of does my heading about
how long, so much less scrums.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
You had so much less rest back in the day. Though,
it have a good set of much bigger set of lungs.
Speaker 3 (21:28):
Yeah, and you had to play a full game.
Speaker 6 (21:29):
That's true, that's true.
Speaker 5 (21:31):
Yeah, Yeah, I mean, yeah, you do only usually get
subbed off, especially in the forward's a if if you
got injured, and yeah, I mean still remember you know
FITZI when he got finally got subbed off, man, he
didn't want to come off. You'd play with the injuries
and you give some mug another chance. And I think
normally it said on the bench, well bloody fifty odd
test matches or something like that.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
So the last thing in one and then changed an
impact player coming on and proving themselves.
Speaker 3 (21:57):
Yeah, and the other part wasn't that's right if you're
talking to the head.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
As long as you're as long as after you got
up you went the right direction back to your side,
then you're all good to go. But I mean if
you wandered around sort of a little bit jelly legged
in the opposition's back line, they generally have a little
look at you. Maybe you'd take a knee and just
take five. But yeah, that was what I noticed in
this game that I was watching. Is is it the
(22:21):
amount of what I'm trying to say is I think
you could. I felt like you could play the game
if you wanted to and you were fit, You could
play the game at pace. Whereas now what I'm watching.
Is that traditional idea that the All Blacks have had
over the last week while, which is to play test
rugby as quick as you can. I don't know if
that's possible anymore. I think it's much easier to slow
the game down than it is to speed the ball
of the game up.
Speaker 5 (22:44):
Yeah, yeah, I mean, I guess we're all a tiny
but frustrated with I guess I don't know where the
game is at the moment, and I don't know. People
all pretty negative about the All Blacks and how we
lost to Syreska and we.
Speaker 6 (22:55):
Lost the Film Cup.
Speaker 5 (22:56):
But I look at it on the sort of the
other side of things, and you know, what would people
be saying if we won the World Cup last year,
Like we've missed a couple of kicks that the boys
would get. We could have beaten Serathka over Serafrika the
last two tests. Like I'm thinking, like, you know, what
would people be saying about, you know, Scott Robinson and
the team now if we had won those and we
could have like Seraska at the peak of their powers
(23:18):
at the moment and they pretty good side. But you know,
we're a new coaching group and some new players and
We've lost a lot of bit of experience and we
still almost managed to beat them, So there is a
bit of an upside there, and you know, we've just
got to give it time and you know, let's just
hang in there.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
Personally, I find it really exciting at the moment. You know,
I've never been so on the the edge of my seat.
But yeah, as you say, like you know, in twenty eleven,
how different would Graham Henry be remembered.
Speaker 3 (23:47):
Right now?
Speaker 1 (23:48):
It was only one point between being absolute hero to
be celebrated forever, you know, and same the other way
around in the World Cup for South Africa. So yeah,
I see what you're saying.
Speaker 5 (23:57):
Yeah, well Ted wouldn't be living on on wacky Island.
Speaker 6 (24:00):
I don't see something to spare.
Speaker 3 (24:05):
This is just one point. Yeah, I'm having out here.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
Christian Callen number two all Black try scorer and behind
Doug Howett and Joe Rocothocco and behind you with Julian.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
Julian Severe scored a lot of tries.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
Didn't he for I guess he played for five years
and Bodon Beart is still going. He's on he's on
forty four. How do you feel about your try scoring record?
Now that must fill you with the senses of a
great sense of pride.
Speaker 5 (24:37):
Oh yeah, I mean probably when you're an outside back.
I mean that's part of your job description writers to
is to score tries and fitish off what I guess
other people have done. And so I mean I always say, mate,
you know, okay, you score some individual tries, but a
lot of them are team tries and in the work
of other people. And if you stay around the game
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long enough, you will records. So yeah, okay, you get
a try screen record and you have it for a
little bit. But there'll be guys that will you know,
will Jordan for example, if he stays foot and kids
on plane, like he'll he'll get there eventually if if
he doesn't go overseas. But yeah, records have made to
be broken a and that's that's the beauty about it.
Speaker 6 (25:19):
Yeah, it was pretty good. It was cool to score
the tries.
Speaker 5 (25:22):
And that's probably I reckon that's the one thing you
kind of misses that buzz and that energy from the crowd.
And when you do score a try for the All Blacks, like, man,
you can't get you can't get that anywhere else, Like
that's that's a pretty cool feeling.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
I bet that would be amazing. But you know you
say that, but you know, so many people mention you
as is, you know, the favorite player of all time,
one of their favorite players of all time. And if
you go on YouTube, there's there's a lot of people
that have cut together highlights the reels of Christian Callen.
Have you ever gone on watch your highlight reels?
Speaker 5 (25:53):
Well, every now and again when the when the kids say, oh,
you know, you're trying to tell them something, you have
to sort of remind them to I did play for
the All Blacks a few games. What do you That's
the beauty about the Antiday and YouTube you can.
Speaker 6 (26:10):
Show the kids that, yeah, no, I did used to play.
How old are you?
Speaker 3 (26:14):
How old are your kids?
Speaker 5 (26:16):
Oh? My oldest is sixteen, and then we have fourteen,
thirteen and twelve.
Speaker 3 (26:20):
Oh that's great. And are they sports? Are they into sport?
Speaker 6 (26:25):
Yeah, they're into it.
Speaker 5 (26:25):
So I've got boy girl, boy girl, so yeah, no,
they're into a bit of everything really, so yeah, I
mean the three of them. Actually, the girl plays a
bit of rugby, she goes alright, and the older boy
does and a bit of cheering, a bit of netball,
but of football, so you're the only thing. They haven't
taken up golf yet, which I'm a bit disappointed about.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
And as your oldest boy back or a forward, is
he taking after you? Is in outside backs?
Speaker 5 (26:50):
Yeah, he's an outside back, so he's yeah, yeah, he
goes to Parmi boys up and up in man or
two there so yet no, he go a bit of
a winger, a bit of fullback and then the younger
boy he's in the front right at the moment. So
it's not something I have too much information I could
give him about that.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
Now, let's talk about Celebrity Treasure Island just quickly, because
I mean, you're a formidable opponent. I would have thought
in Celebrity Treos Island, particularly around the non sand based challenges.
Speaker 5 (27:21):
Yeah, well, unfortunately a lot of the challenges were done
with sand around you. Yeah, and then when there's no
showers and all that sort of stuff and having to
clean yourself and wash yourself and the beat and the sea, yeah,
you just can't avoid the sand.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
It looks like you made a bit of a friendship
with friend of the show mill and Beard. What a
great newsalander he is?
Speaker 6 (27:43):
Oh how good?
Speaker 5 (27:46):
I mean I'm a I love a good joke and
I but I can I need someone to be very
very funny to kind of make me laugh. And he was,
I don't know, just the way he delivered and just
some of the things he said.
Speaker 6 (27:59):
And some of the just the way he looked sometimes
just made me laugh.
Speaker 5 (28:02):
So yeah, I got on really well with Milsey and yeah,
still in contact with him now and paid a few
rounds of golf with him.
Speaker 6 (28:10):
And yeah, he's a good man.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
He can appear in a movie and just say four
words and own the whole movie, as he did recently
in that movie Megan his Delivery. He's just one of
the most funniest human beings our nations have produced.
Speaker 6 (28:23):
Very very funny, very funny.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
Speaking of funny, Baba I see was one of the
other cast members. I've had a little bit to do
with her over the years. She's one of the funniest
people I've ever met.
Speaker 6 (28:35):
Well, yeah, she's right up there too.
Speaker 5 (28:36):
So I got actually got on well with both of
those two. So Buba obviously with well, firstly, she didn't
know that I had a bit of Somemond blood of me,
so once I told her that, she yeah, we become
quite tight.
Speaker 6 (28:51):
But she's another one a she just laughs and you
know she was. She was good for the camp.
Speaker 5 (28:57):
Yeah, hurt my handstring, so she but he got the
old magic hands out and message and everything like that.
Speaker 3 (29:03):
How good.
Speaker 6 (29:04):
She was great value.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
I mean, I'm surprised that she would have known that
you played for the Blacks. She didn't seem to know
that anybody on the cast of task Master what they did.
She didn't even really know why she was on task
Master half the time.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
Well, she came in to promote her a new TV
show recently, not that, not not Slipper show, another one,
and she didn't know anything about that. But she sells
a good steak down at Tony Steakhouse.
Speaker 6 (29:25):
That's off to get it when I get to Auckland.
Speaker 3 (29:29):
Yeah, she was like that.
Speaker 5 (29:30):
I don't think she knew I played for the All
Blacks until until somebody told us.
Speaker 6 (29:34):
Another sort of people you love to meet. That's yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
It's interesting actually looking at the cast this year, you
got like some politicians in there running political lines and there,
and then you've got political analysts like Duncan Gharana, You've
got Tarmady Coffee its politician brook Us Boy you've got
it's quite it's quite a crew out there.
Speaker 6 (29:53):
Yeah. Hell, hell, hell, how much would you trust those guys?
Not at all. I got him really well with Dunk.
Speaker 5 (30:01):
I got him really well with Duncan because he's yeah,
I don't know, we just kind of connected and he's well,
he's a man of the land, right, so, which I'm
not a man of the land, but he I just
sort of hung around with him a bit when later on,
and yeah.
Speaker 6 (30:16):
He loves a fish, and he slept a lot, like
he could just sleep anywhere. He's Dunk. He's Duncan. Oh
there he is.
Speaker 3 (30:24):
That's a super power. Being able to sleep as a
sleep a power.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
I know why that is. And I'm looking here, Susan Paul.
How did Suzan Paul go and the in the tough
confines of not being able to I thought she would
she'd enjoy a bit of pempering Susanmple.
Speaker 6 (30:41):
Yeah. Yeah, well she bought the big.
Speaker 5 (30:44):
A nice little sort of puffer jacket that was quite shiny,
and she still could have her makeup and do stuff
in the morning and.
Speaker 6 (30:51):
Get herself really ready for the day.
Speaker 5 (30:53):
So yeah, it was just more than probably the showering
and the nice comfy bed, and I know she does
sell like massage chairs and on TV, so we didn't
have any of those there. But it was actually know
a lot of people have asked me, all, you know,
you guys be going staying at hotels and the Seriously,
it wasn't that at all.
Speaker 3 (31:12):
Yeah, she was.
Speaker 5 (31:13):
She was quite a rough at night and it got
really cold because we had no bloody windows or no
back door or in the hut. So yeah, the wind
sort of came through and it did get pretty cold
at night.
Speaker 6 (31:23):
So you just you just got on.
Speaker 5 (31:25):
Your bloody sleeping bag and pulled the cover over your
head and you know, tried to get some sleep.
Speaker 6 (31:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (31:30):
No amount of natural glow is going to help Susan
Paul with that.
Speaker 2 (31:34):
No. Christian Callen, thanks so much for your time this morning.
Celebrity Trees of Island Monday, Tuesday Wednesday seven thirty on
TV and Z too, and you can watch it on
TV and Z Plus as well. Thanks so much for
your time, Christians.
Speaker 6 (31:50):
Guys, take it easy, all right, see you later.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
So yeah, what a great New Zealander Christian Kallen.
Speaker 2 (31:55):
Yeah, there's there's Christian Callen. He's on Celebrity Treesure Island
with the castles, Casey Corpush's silver ferns. Obviously, you've got
Duncan Ghana your broadcaster. You've got me and Mottu the boxer.
Oh yeah, you know me and Mottu.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
You got Wirrangy Corpou former warrior. So you got some
specimens out there.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
Drag superstar, Spanky Jackson's there. You got James Roliston who,
James Rolliston is an actor, Eyes and Boy. Oh yeah
you're from Boy. Yeah, okay, yep, great New Zealander. All right,
Barber the comedian. So lot's happening, Yeah, lot's happening on
Slippery tries on.
Speaker 4 (32:32):
Yeah, crazy the dunk and also it's a sleep all
the time.
Speaker 3 (32:34):
I don't really Yeah, some kind of sleep disease.
Speaker 1 (32:38):
I don't know what would that would happen to someone.
But yeah, that brings the end of the show. So
make sure you follow Meshy on his Worm's View only
fans that will be and me on my Matt Heath
dot substack dot com. I might shove a little bit
of a bit of that Worm's o View up there
as well. Shove that up your right, all right, okay, okay,
then you see him busy, go.
Speaker 3 (32:58):
For a snooze.
Speaker 1 (32:59):
All right, Hello, I'm Matt Heath. You have been listening
to the Matt and Jerry Daily Bespoke podcast. Right now
you can listen to our Radio Highlights podcast, which you
will absolutely get barred up about anyway. Set to download, like, subscribe, writer,
review all those great things. It really helps myself and
Jerry and to a lesser extent, mansion Ruder. If you
(33:19):
want to discuss anything raised in this pod, check out
the Conclave, a Matt and Jerry Facebook discussion group. And
while I'm plugging stuff, my book, A Lifeless Punishing Thirteen
Ways to Love the Life You've Got is out now
get it wherever you get your books, or just google
the bastard.
Speaker 3 (33:33):
Anyway you seem busy, I'll let you go. Bless Blessed, blessed.
Give them a taste of key we from me,
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