September 4, 2024 • 24 mins
It's Happening!!! Today on The Daily Bespoke Podcast Dame Lisa Carrington, AKA the Goat In The Boat, joins the boys for a bit of a catch-up. Is she on the Vapes? When holidaying in tropical locations, how does she approach a leisure Kiyak? When winning gold in 2012 was she able to feel Jerry inside the boat with her? She's kind enough to answer all these questions and a few more, and the episode is available now!!! Lisa, you're the best of us.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Do we want to do the do we want to
do the Oh?
Speaker 2 (00:02):
Yeah intro? Are we recording now?
Speaker 3 (00:03):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (00:04):
Yeah, So we've got Dame Lisa Carrington in the studio
this but we have this embarrassing and tro we do
for a podcast. So this is going to be humiliating
for me. All right, we'll see.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
I won't be able to look at you.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
It's going to be embarrassing for you.
Speaker 5 (00:16):
Don't worry, okays, good bizarre, that's so embarrassing.
Speaker 4 (00:39):
It is the first of September, in the Year of
Our Lord, twenty twenty four, and it's our great pleasure
to welcome to the Daily Bespoke Podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Dame Lisa Carington.
Speaker 6 (00:50):
Hi, thanks for having me.
Speaker 4 (00:51):
You know, we did a whole podcast yesterday just hyping
up for this. We did forty forty minutes because yesterday
when people listen to this, you were held up massively
by Mike Costing.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
Weren't you?
Speaker 1 (01:04):
Was it Mike Costking I was holding you up? It
was just a series of people.
Speaker 6 (01:08):
Yeah, I've been through a few, but yeah, like we
know you have good chats, you know, yeah, yeah, but
you're we're on the timeline.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, we understand. We understand going back
all the way to London in twenty twelve for your
first for your first goal and the K one two hundred?
Did you did you feel me there in the boat
with you?
Speaker 2 (01:31):
Did you?
Speaker 1 (01:32):
Did you feel me there? Because I was there in
the boat with you for that first goal. I was
with you there.
Speaker 6 (01:39):
Yeah, so you believe in me the whole way.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
I was like, did you? I mean did you? I
wonder sometimes whether in those moments you feel the weight
of everything. Is there a collective consciousness that can follow
you in these situations or is that actually do you
actually want to put that out of your mind? Yeah?
Speaker 6 (01:57):
I guess it's like accepting or taking on the support
from home and accepting that people you know really want
to do help, you know, for you to do well.
And so it can be a little overwhelming because at
the end of the day, it just we've got to
go out there and just do the jobs or anything.
They can kind of keep your focus to just do that.
But I mean, yeah, absolutely, I think there's this extra
(02:18):
energy when you get as much support as possible.
Speaker 4 (02:22):
Yeah, yeah, because you do look very focused when you're
doing it, Like, but so you don't all think that
every single person at home in New Zealander.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
Is watching Trevor from you from the Mantu.
Speaker 6 (02:36):
Yeah, I mean I love the support, but yes, it's
it's important just to like to be incredibly focused because
you know, we've only got so many strokes to do.
We're trying to do our best for that, you know,
minute fifty or forty seconds every four years, and it
just has to go the best way possible.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
Yeah, Matt's got a question about vapor.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
Do you vape? You thought that might have beswh.
Speaker 4 (03:09):
Like in my defense, we were trying to think of
the worst what would be the worst question you can
ask our greatest Olympic athlete in this year and your
first question is do you vape?
Speaker 6 (03:21):
Are you relatable?
Speaker 1 (03:25):
Now I've got another question, and I'm assuming that at
some stage in your life you've been to a tropical
island for a holiday somewhere, maybe in the Pacific, Yeah,
and you know how they've got kayaks and stuff there, Like, like,
do you when you get in a kayak on a resort,
(03:47):
do you just like keep your body like and have
to power out? Can you relax when you're in a
can you just like do you make a statement?
Speaker 6 (03:55):
Doesn't make a statement. I think if there's someone next
to me, I can't help but be competing. Yeah, I
mean of my husband or a friend. I'm sure he's
eying me. I mean like, yeah, I'm going to beat
you today.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
Critiquing his jokes.
Speaker 4 (04:12):
Come on, well, I was saying yesterday that I took
my two kids out in the kayak at Club Raratonga and.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
It's sunk.
Speaker 4 (04:21):
And I had to like take my kids they were
like six and four at the time, back into shore
like holding them around in you.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
That back life saving me.
Speaker 4 (04:30):
So that's not a case that you're you're never worrying
about sinking at you.
Speaker 6 (04:35):
I'm sure I hit a hole in it, right. It
wasn't that it was too you guys are too heavy.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
No, it was a hole. It was a hole.
Speaker 4 (04:40):
But like back in twenty twelve with your first gold
meal in the K one two hundred, you weren't thinking
but I sink between now.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
And the.
Speaker 6 (04:50):
Yeah, I mean our boats are so like that narrow,
narrow and so like, yeah, there's are every chance that
you could fall in yeah right, yeah, slipper stroke or
do some so I don't know. There was the odd
person that fell in many games.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
Yeah, really. Yeah, when was the last time you fell.
Speaker 6 (05:06):
On intentionally or unintentiona unintentional I don't know, but probably
in the last last year. We do do a lot
of like like drills and play around and for them, so, okay.
Speaker 4 (05:19):
They'll be gutting your train for four years or three
years in this most recent case, and then you and.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
You've fallen in your race.
Speaker 4 (05:26):
Those It was like with the the woman's triathlon when
they were on the cobbles and they were falling off
their bikes.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
That was so heartbreaking.
Speaker 4 (05:33):
You think about how much someone had trained and then
they didn't take into account with cobbles.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
When you get out of.
Speaker 6 (05:39):
This one and that slippery, Yes, so slippery.
Speaker 4 (05:42):
And boy that looked painful. And that's what you think
about the Olympics, say, because you're not just one of
the reasons why we love.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
It so much.
Speaker 4 (05:48):
And it's so tense to watch is because you think
about all the effort that's been put in and that
that's that's the athletes moment. So it's maybe tense for you,
but it's pretty tense for us as well.
Speaker 6 (05:58):
Yeah, and I think that's something you have to accept.
Does an athlete that something may go wrong you know,
you could get injured, you could get sick, you could
fall in you could slip over. So I guess it's
like accepting all bad case scenarios and then being like, yep,
could happen, but also these amazing things can happen too.
Speaker 5 (06:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
Yeah, Mesh Mesh has been working on this question for
some time, but I'm going to I'm going to read
it to you because he's a asking because you're talking
about things of unexpected things. Have you ever been careful
betten by a shark while you're racing in a race?
Speaker 2 (06:36):
I didn't.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
I didn't write this down. This is not for me.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
This is a Jerry question.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
This is what he does, Dan Lisa, Okay, he comes
in here, pretends all the ship questions of mine. That's
not the case. But actually it is an interesting question.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
Have you no, it's nice?
Speaker 6 (06:50):
Yeah? Typically aren't sharks where we race?
Speaker 3 (06:53):
Really?
Speaker 2 (06:56):
Yeah? Think sure? Whatever the go ahead.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
It would be terrible.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
Have you heard that version?
Speaker 6 (07:01):
I don't know, like a few you probably haven't seen it.
But when you look back at the Tokyo ol perks,
they were first just thing. Yeah, the lanes.
Speaker 4 (07:09):
Wow, yeah, it's so good that you got to go
back to Paris, and when a bunch of medals at Paris.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
Because Tokyo there wasn't well, obviously there wasn't.
Speaker 4 (07:17):
The crowds and the atmosphere have been so different compared
to London, which was incredible. And then and then you've
got Rio that was amazing, obviously incredible atmosphere here, and
then Tokyo must been quite weird.
Speaker 6 (07:28):
Yeah, Tokyo was. Absolutely, it was quiet, but I think
at that time the world was going through such a
weird stage and I don't know, we got really scared
of meeting people. So I think I knew that that's
what it was going to be, so I kind of
in a weird way, it was great. It was really easy.
You just did your race. You didn't have to see
family or friends. So this time around, I think we
(07:50):
also we do keep a bit separate. We can't always
just go out and hang out with that. Oh yeah,
but yeah, like it was amazing. I think just having
people there to be a part of it, to be
able to share them memories to you know, my family
don't get to see me a lot, so for them
to see me compete and know that I do all
this hard work, and then to see the product is
really cool to the.
Speaker 4 (08:10):
People that have their competitions ending early, do they and
they've already finished competing.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
They just pissed around the village to get those guys
a white bird because I imagine they will shots. It's like, no,
I'm not, I'm.
Speaker 6 (08:24):
Yeah. There are people that probably compete on the first
day and they're still there by the last because it's
the Olympic experience, a whole lot of free stuff. You're
in Paris, floating around. But some countries have rules that
you have to leave within two days of your last race.
Oh really Yeah, and you know it comes down to
like how big your country is and all those sorts
(08:44):
of things.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
So yeah, but can you come back as a guest
of one of the other people?
Speaker 6 (08:48):
You can, Well, you can get a date university situation.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
So I always wondered damely. So, when you're competing, it's
you're committing at such a high level and you're talking
about you're talking about you know, millimeters in terms of
different techniques of things that you're doing and psychologically getting
yourself under the zone, et cetera. Then there's things that
I imagine coming to the day before you're competing or
the night before you're competing. If so, you just have
(09:16):
a bad sleep, yeah, you know, which is very I
mean last night a terrible sleep, four hour sleep. And
if I had that sleep the night before I was
competing in a final at the Olympics, how would you
deal with that? Because I imagine that's quite hard to
get out of your head.
Speaker 6 (09:33):
Yeah, I guess there's that. You've got to expect bad sleeps.
You're under quite a bit of pressure. You're really nervous.
So I think going in knowing that you can't have
everything go perfectly, leading in and knowing that maybe you'll
have a four hour sleep, but you're still you can
actually still perform at your best. It's just when you
have consecutive bad sleeps over a really long period of
(09:58):
time that with then it really starts to affect you.
So I guess you really understand that one or a
couple bad sleeps doesn't actually affect you physically.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
Yeah, interestingly, how are you sleeping at this this game?
This games?
Speaker 2 (10:11):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (10:12):
Yeah, I mean I was up and down. Like before
the K four I had the best sleep, Before the
K two it was minimal, and then the K one
not as good. Oh, really so like, I guess it's
the expectation. I still got sleep, and it's like, I
don't know, you can convince yourself that you're fine as well,
and you don't do all that training, you don't get
to a point where you're in your best physical condition.
(10:34):
Just to think that one night bad sleep is going
to make a difference. You go, there's got to be
more than that.
Speaker 4 (10:38):
Yeah, how different was that twenty twelve in terms of
your nerves compared to your last race in Paris?
Speaker 6 (10:47):
Yeah? I think in twenty twelve, like I look back
and I think, well, what, like, so how green I was?
Speaker 5 (10:53):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (10:54):
Yeah, and the crowd there was incredible. I just remember being,
you know, I don't know how old is I like
twenty three and got the middle there and there was
this just before the start of the race, they had
this heartbeat that would go. It was like and so
also my heart's going racing, So like.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
What was it just to freak you out?
Speaker 6 (11:17):
I'm just trying to make it fun tins for everyone,
But I don't know, then really nervous but also super naive,
and then coming into Paris, I don't know, I think
so much preci expectation, I knew what I could do.
I just had to meet it with, you know, just
letting all that expectation go and just having the best
(11:37):
race I could. And I was there and I loved
it and enjoyed it, so I don't know, just being
more experienced it was. It was really cool.
Speaker 4 (11:46):
Hey, now we both shared dogs by the name of Colin, right,
And I'm just looking at your book Lisa Carrington Chases
a Champion, and I see you've got your dog Colin
on the cover, riding the front.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
Of your boat. Colin?
Speaker 4 (11:58):
Can Colin ride on the boat? Does Colin jump off?
Do you take good dog Colin out on the water?
Speaker 6 (12:03):
I have taken him sat on my lap, and then
sometimes when he's been on the shore, I've been in
the boat, he's swum out and then I've had to
lift him up and put him on my lap. So
it's not the most efficient way.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
So that's not really accurate that picture.
Speaker 6 (12:20):
I mean I was I was on a on summer,
I was on a supboard and I tried to put
him on the front and he jumped off.
Speaker 4 (12:28):
How here Also, this isn't true. Colin's never won a
gold medal either. Picture of Colin on a podium, But.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
Also how proud must Colin be to know that his
own as the eighth most successful Olympian aware of that
as Colin, he must be so proud.
Speaker 6 (12:47):
I mean when I come home he definitely says that
to me.
Speaker 3 (12:51):
You brought in your medals today, Thank you for doing that.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
Are they all there? They're all here?
Speaker 4 (12:57):
Yeah, they're all there, and you don't travel around with
some kind of security for them.
Speaker 6 (13:02):
My questions about I've my large, strong manager in there.
Speaker 4 (13:08):
Imagine what would happen to someone and someone came across
and rob your meddles. The whole country would go for them.
They would not be able to amaze.
Speaker 6 (13:18):
You can actually take them out of the bag.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
It's quite heavy. I don't think you'd be in New
Zealand wouldn't let you carry this on? You know it's
past that's probably over the seven kg limit.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
Wow, that's here.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
You'd be.
Speaker 4 (13:33):
You'd be the only New Zealand olimit athlete there was
in danger of taking so many medals home with them
that they couldn't had to leave some stuff out of
their luggage.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
For the weight.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
Something quite thurrill about opening that bag.
Speaker 6 (13:42):
This one's on a sock that it's just to stop
it from scratching.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
How do you display them in your house? Or do
you display them?
Speaker 3 (13:51):
No?
Speaker 4 (13:52):
I don't so when you have done a party, so
people must demand that they come out.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
Probably that your friends who come over.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
Just after you know he finished? Is it all right?
We're well. Now for what we're here for. Bring out
the middle the bronze.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
The bronze has had a bit of work. The bronze
has seen a few The bronze looks like you've taken
it out to a fancy dress party.
Speaker 3 (14:20):
What does that mean? This is one of the harsher
questions you will get.
Speaker 6 (14:24):
You can take them, Yeah, take a little bag. Well yeah,
the Tokyo ones, the yeah, you take them out.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
We're just going to ask what does that? What is
that bronze? The bronze is quite interesting, isn't it, because
it's obviously the old one out in that in that bag.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
Does it mean does that kind of a special worry
that it gets lonely?
Speaker 3 (14:41):
And yeah?
Speaker 6 (14:44):
I mean the bronze is the K one five hundred
and at the Rio Olympics, and I think that was
I guess the story that I carry with that bronze
is it was the first Olympics that I was the
reigning Olympic champion of the two hundred, so that the
five hundred. So the amount of pressure and the expectation
(15:04):
of myself to be able to do two events in
the individual that was really tough. So to now come
to a point where I can do three events, you know,
there's got to be a lot of growth and learning
and training to get behind that. So it was a yeah,
it has a place.
Speaker 3 (15:20):
Yeah for sure.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
These guys here under armour is so pleased that under
armor is the sock that Lisa Carrington uses to.
Speaker 6 (15:30):
Washing machine stole.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
Right, what's the protocol on middles? Because I was playing
you can put it on? You can put it on because.
Speaker 4 (15:42):
And I were hanging out with MICHAELA blythe and he
and she handed the middle and he put it on,
and I thought he was making some kind of protocol breach.
Speaker 6 (15:47):
Oh no, you can do it. Definitely go ahead.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
So you've got what have you? What are you putting
on there? Mad?
Speaker 6 (15:55):
That's London?
Speaker 3 (15:56):
Yeah, okay, you got London, and.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
I've got Peter Harris.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
Look at that is beautiful because it's got a bit,
it's got an interesting bit of what looks like kind.
Speaker 6 (16:05):
Of silver and it's the Eiffel Tower.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
That's the part of the Eiffel Tower down in the middle.
Speaker 6 (16:09):
Yeah, wow, you.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
Want to struct your part, you want to hopefully one
I'm just gonna put this.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
Do you count? You count them when you leave a
place like this.
Speaker 6 (16:22):
Tokyo here, I don't know how dodgy you guys, are
you going to?
Speaker 1 (16:25):
Tokyo is quite beautiful.
Speaker 6 (16:26):
Rio and there's rio, but you know you take the
one that you like the most.
Speaker 3 (16:35):
Well, you've got a few of them.
Speaker 4 (16:41):
I mean, having one as the greatest achievement humanity, and
you've got.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
You must have never dreamed as a as a little
girl growing up, you must have never did you even
consider the idea of this?
Speaker 6 (16:55):
Well, I you know, like you remember, I don't know
about you guys, but as a kid, you know, like
an OLYMPI like they're the most amazing people. I want
to be one of them. And so absolutely not.
Speaker 4 (17:06):
Toture read dreaming Yeah in.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
The book picture for the conversation.
Speaker 6 (17:11):
Sorry, Yeah, so I don't know, like I think, No,
absolutely not. I didn't even know that I could make
a New Zealand teamle alone, make the Olympics to be
and then even to be a world champion and then
Olympic champion. No, Like, I guess that's why I feel
so privileged to be on this path. Like, I think
it's just amazing to be able to continually grow and
(17:32):
learn and be able to perform on the world stage.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
Yea, yeah, and you found something. Clearly, there was something
that clicked and you and you thought, this is actually
something that I love doing. This is something that I
want to do. I mean, obviously it's the huge amount
of work that goes with but something and you must
have thought, you know what, I love peddling. I actually
I love this.
Speaker 6 (17:54):
Yeah. Yeah, And I think too, like it's constantly reminding myself,
you know, when the pressure comes on. You're there and
you're competing and you have to trial for your spots
and the team, and I guess there's always that pressure
of I, you know, I just want to make the team.
I just want to be the best. Who if I don't,
when what does that mean about who I am? So
(18:14):
I think what really helped in Paris was remembering it's like, man,
actually the paddling is awesome. We know how to do this,
We're really good at it. We do it every day
to the best level that we can. So yeah, like
it has to be about enjoying all of it, like
the I don't know, it's the tears when things don't
quite go well, or the pressure, the excitement having a
(18:36):
great team, you know, all of it. You've got to
love all of it. And I think you know, as
I sit here in a comfortable room and a seat
talking to you guys, you know, it's really easy to
look back and sometimes in those moments you're like, wow,
this is tough, but I guess that's the pride you
get when you've gone through it. You're like, well, I
achieved that, I moved through. I found some ways to
get through it, and I'm proud of it. So it's
(18:57):
really cool.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
Well I'd be proud of it as well, quite as sensible.
Speaker 4 (19:03):
As Jerry said before you talking about in the boat
with you, we're all proud of it, which is odd.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
Yeah, we feel we feel proud.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
Yeah that's the.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
Most we've done. No work, No, we're just sitting on
a couch and we feel proud.
Speaker 4 (19:16):
So you know, we get stolen velop as I say,
wearing your gold metal round.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
And the other thing about you, Dame Lisa is that
you seem to do it effortlessly. This is the weird
part of it, you know, but it's clearly it's not.
Speaker 6 (19:30):
Yeah yeah, I mean it's like you, I go at
it every day to efficient, to paddle technically the best
I can and always finding improvement wherever it is. And
I guess that's when it looks effortless, it's more efficient
and you're going to go the go fastest.
Speaker 4 (19:48):
You can see that though, Like that the way you
stroke and the way it moves through and how steady
your boat is is quite different from some some some
people for the back in the pack, it's sort of.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
It's your hair doesn't seem to move. Yeah, it's like
your hair is so still.
Speaker 6 (20:00):
Yeah yeah, and like exactly, it's like it's something you
work on, strength, endurance, all of it, and you know
what you guys see there, I guess is a byproduct
of like mini mini hours of work.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
Tell me that you since since you won and in Paris,
tell me that you've had some time not training and
not going to the gym. Oh yeah, have you done
any have you done? Have you just had the time off? Yeah?
Speaker 6 (20:30):
No, I've been for some Brusque walks with my mum,
you know them walk, Yeah, she told she I got
felt I felt quite self conscious because we went for
a walk to said, oh, yeah, that was a really
easy walk yesterday. I was like, what do you mean,
all right? You know, like I mean it's been so
good to catch up with the family, and yeah, no,
like I mean, I do love moving. So there'll be
(20:50):
a point where I just exercised because you know, I'm
enjoying it. But right now, it's like it's relaxing, it's
reminiscing seeing people that I don't have the energy and
time to really properly catch up with.
Speaker 4 (21:05):
So and your book tell us about that, because we've
just been talking about something else.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
But this is where you're this.
Speaker 6 (21:12):
Is why you're here exactly. So my new kids book,
Lisa Carrington Chases a Champion, done in both you know, English,
enter deal. It's I guess it's really it's about eight
year old Lisa and her journey to achieving a goal
and so you know there's there's some ups and downs
(21:32):
and little ways she gets through it. So yeah, I'm
really proud of it. It's such a special special book.
I mean, you've got Colin, my dog. Yeah, obviously, I didn't.
I didn't have them when I was.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
So that's not that a little bit.
Speaker 6 (21:48):
Yeah, but you've got my brothers and my parents, and
the illustrations beautiful and they look exactly like my parents.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
Awesome, Scott.
Speaker 1 (21:57):
Yeah, yeah, I saw you the other day playing netball
and you aspire to be a netballer when you're growing up.
I was like, you could have been a really good
netballer as well.
Speaker 6 (22:06):
I don't know, I was too short.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
You can.
Speaker 6 (22:11):
Everyone can dream, right.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
I suppose it's a bit of a publisher's nightmare, this question, Lisa,
But I'm sure you've been asked to write books about
kind of your experiences, but obviously taking your focus towards
kids books. Is that quite an important part of it
for you is making sure that you're letting people know
that they can go out and from a young age
rather than trying to impact them and an autobiography or
something like that.
Speaker 6 (22:33):
Yeah, I think also doing a yeah, autobography, I don't know,
like talking about yourself is like is probably I don't
know women will do that, but yeah, I think lessons
and sharing those as important with kids, and I think
it's always been something I've wanted to do, but obviously
being allowed, you know, having who are my publishers work
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with me on that has Yeah, it's been great to
be able to share some of those lessons.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
Saith, Thank you so much.
Speaker 6 (23:01):
You're welcome.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
What an inspiration you are and sorry about mess questions
earlier on and congratulations on everything. It's been a great
pleasure to have you in here.
Speaker 6 (23:14):
Thank you very much. You all look really great with
those metals on.
Speaker 3 (23:17):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
Unearned Vello.
Speaker 4 (23:24):
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do the Oh?
Speaker 2 (00:02):
Yeah intro? Are we recording now?
Speaker 3 (00:03):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (00:04):
Yeah, So we've got Dame Lisa Carrington in the studio
this but we have this embarrassing and tro we do
for a podcast. So this is going to be humiliating
for me. All right, we'll see.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
I won't be able to look at you.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
It's going to be embarrassing for you.
Speaker 5 (00:16):
Don't worry, okays, good bizarre, that's so embarrassing.
Speaker 4 (00:39):
It is the first of September, in the Year of
Our Lord, twenty twenty four, and it's our great pleasure
to welcome to the Daily Bespoke Podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Dame Lisa Carington.
Speaker 6 (00:50):
Hi, thanks for having me.
Speaker 4 (00:51):
You know, we did a whole podcast yesterday just hyping
up for this. We did forty forty minutes because yesterday
when people listen to this, you were held up massively
by Mike Costing.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
Weren't you?
Speaker 1 (01:04):
Was it Mike Costking I was holding you up? It
was just a series of people.
Speaker 6 (01:08):
Yeah, I've been through a few, but yeah, like we
know you have good chats, you know, yeah, yeah, but
you're we're on the timeline.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, we understand. We understand going back
all the way to London in twenty twelve for your
first for your first goal and the K one two hundred?
Did you did you feel me there in the boat
with you?
Speaker 2 (01:31):
Did you?
Speaker 1 (01:32):
Did you feel me there? Because I was there in
the boat with you for that first goal. I was
with you there.
Speaker 6 (01:39):
Yeah, so you believe in me the whole way.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
I was like, did you? I mean did you? I
wonder sometimes whether in those moments you feel the weight
of everything. Is there a collective consciousness that can follow
you in these situations or is that actually do you
actually want to put that out of your mind? Yeah?
Speaker 6 (01:57):
I guess it's like accepting or taking on the support
from home and accepting that people you know really want
to do help, you know, for you to do well.
And so it can be a little overwhelming because at
the end of the day, it just we've got to
go out there and just do the jobs or anything.
They can kind of keep your focus to just do that.
But I mean, yeah, absolutely, I think there's this extra
(02:18):
energy when you get as much support as possible.
Speaker 4 (02:22):
Yeah, yeah, because you do look very focused when you're
doing it, Like, but so you don't all think that
every single person at home in New Zealander.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
Is watching Trevor from you from the Mantu.
Speaker 6 (02:36):
Yeah, I mean I love the support, but yes, it's
it's important just to like to be incredibly focused because
you know, we've only got so many strokes to do.
We're trying to do our best for that, you know,
minute fifty or forty seconds every four years, and it
just has to go the best way possible.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
Yeah, Matt's got a question about vapor.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
Do you vape? You thought that might have beswh.
Speaker 4 (03:09):
Like in my defense, we were trying to think of
the worst what would be the worst question you can
ask our greatest Olympic athlete in this year and your
first question is do you vape?
Speaker 6 (03:21):
Are you relatable?
Speaker 1 (03:25):
Now I've got another question, and I'm assuming that at
some stage in your life you've been to a tropical
island for a holiday somewhere, maybe in the Pacific, Yeah,
and you know how they've got kayaks and stuff there, Like, like,
do you when you get in a kayak on a resort,
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do you just like keep your body like and have
to power out? Can you relax when you're in a
can you just like do you make a statement?
Speaker 6 (03:55):
Doesn't make a statement. I think if there's someone next
to me, I can't help but be competing. Yeah, I
mean of my husband or a friend. I'm sure he's
eying me. I mean like, yeah, I'm going to beat
you today.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
Critiquing his jokes.
Speaker 4 (04:12):
Come on, well, I was saying yesterday that I took
my two kids out in the kayak at Club Raratonga and.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
It's sunk.
Speaker 4 (04:21):
And I had to like take my kids they were
like six and four at the time, back into shore
like holding them around in you.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
That back life saving me.
Speaker 4 (04:30):
So that's not a case that you're you're never worrying
about sinking at you.
Speaker 6 (04:35):
I'm sure I hit a hole in it, right. It
wasn't that it was too you guys are too heavy.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
No, it was a hole. It was a hole.
Speaker 4 (04:40):
But like back in twenty twelve with your first gold
meal in the K one two hundred, you weren't thinking
but I sink between now.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
And the.
Speaker 6 (04:50):
Yeah, I mean our boats are so like that narrow,
narrow and so like, yeah, there's are every chance that
you could fall in yeah right, yeah, slipper stroke or
do some so I don't know. There was the odd
person that fell in many games.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
Yeah, really. Yeah, when was the last time you fell.
Speaker 6 (05:06):
On intentionally or unintentiona unintentional I don't know, but probably
in the last last year. We do do a lot
of like like drills and play around and for them, so, okay.
Speaker 4 (05:19):
They'll be gutting your train for four years or three
years in this most recent case, and then you and.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
You've fallen in your race.
Speaker 4 (05:26):
Those It was like with the the woman's triathlon when
they were on the cobbles and they were falling off
their bikes.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
That was so heartbreaking.
Speaker 4 (05:33):
You think about how much someone had trained and then
they didn't take into account with cobbles.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
When you get out of.
Speaker 6 (05:39):
This one and that slippery, Yes, so slippery.
Speaker 4 (05:42):
And boy that looked painful. And that's what you think
about the Olympics, say, because you're not just one of
the reasons why we love.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
It so much.
Speaker 4 (05:48):
And it's so tense to watch is because you think
about all the effort that's been put in and that
that's that's the athletes moment. So it's maybe tense for you,
but it's pretty tense for us as well.
Speaker 6 (05:58):
Yeah, and I think that's something you have to accept.
Does an athlete that something may go wrong you know,
you could get injured, you could get sick, you could
fall in you could slip over. So I guess it's
like accepting all bad case scenarios and then being like, yep,
could happen, but also these amazing things can happen too.
Speaker 5 (06:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
Yeah, Mesh Mesh has been working on this question for
some time, but I'm going to I'm going to read
it to you because he's a asking because you're talking
about things of unexpected things. Have you ever been careful
betten by a shark while you're racing in a race?
Speaker 2 (06:36):
I didn't.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
I didn't write this down. This is not for me.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
This is a Jerry question.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
This is what he does, Dan Lisa, Okay, he comes
in here, pretends all the ship questions of mine. That's
not the case. But actually it is an interesting question.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
Have you no, it's nice?
Speaker 6 (06:50):
Yeah? Typically aren't sharks where we race?
Speaker 3 (06:53):
Really?
Speaker 2 (06:56):
Yeah? Think sure? Whatever the go ahead.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
It would be terrible.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
Have you heard that version?
Speaker 6 (07:01):
I don't know, like a few you probably haven't seen it.
But when you look back at the Tokyo ol perks,
they were first just thing. Yeah, the lanes.
Speaker 4 (07:09):
Wow, yeah, it's so good that you got to go
back to Paris, and when a bunch of medals at Paris.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
Because Tokyo there wasn't well, obviously there wasn't.
Speaker 4 (07:17):
The crowds and the atmosphere have been so different compared
to London, which was incredible. And then and then you've
got Rio that was amazing, obviously incredible atmosphere here, and
then Tokyo must been quite weird.
Speaker 6 (07:28):
Yeah, Tokyo was. Absolutely, it was quiet, but I think
at that time the world was going through such a
weird stage and I don't know, we got really scared
of meeting people. So I think I knew that that's
what it was going to be, so I kind of
in a weird way, it was great. It was really easy.
You just did your race. You didn't have to see
family or friends. So this time around, I think we
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also we do keep a bit separate. We can't always
just go out and hang out with that. Oh yeah,
but yeah, like it was amazing. I think just having
people there to be a part of it, to be
able to share them memories to you know, my family
don't get to see me a lot, so for them
to see me compete and know that I do all
this hard work, and then to see the product is
really cool to the.
Speaker 4 (08:10):
People that have their competitions ending early, do they and
they've already finished competing.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
They just pissed around the village to get those guys
a white bird because I imagine they will shots. It's like, no,
I'm not, I'm.
Speaker 6 (08:24):
Yeah. There are people that probably compete on the first
day and they're still there by the last because it's
the Olympic experience, a whole lot of free stuff. You're
in Paris, floating around. But some countries have rules that
you have to leave within two days of your last race.
Oh really Yeah, and you know it comes down to
like how big your country is and all those sorts
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of things.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
So yeah, but can you come back as a guest
of one of the other people?
Speaker 6 (08:48):
You can, Well, you can get a date university situation.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
So I always wondered damely. So, when you're competing, it's
you're committing at such a high level and you're talking
about you're talking about you know, millimeters in terms of
different techniques of things that you're doing and psychologically getting
yourself under the zone, et cetera. Then there's things that
I imagine coming to the day before you're competing or
the night before you're competing. If so, you just have
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a bad sleep, yeah, you know, which is very I
mean last night a terrible sleep, four hour sleep. And
if I had that sleep the night before I was
competing in a final at the Olympics, how would you
deal with that? Because I imagine that's quite hard to
get out of your head.
Speaker 6 (09:33):
Yeah, I guess there's that. You've got to expect bad sleeps.
You're under quite a bit of pressure. You're really nervous.
So I think going in knowing that you can't have
everything go perfectly, leading in and knowing that maybe you'll
have a four hour sleep, but you're still you can
actually still perform at your best. It's just when you
have consecutive bad sleeps over a really long period of
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time that with then it really starts to affect you.
So I guess you really understand that one or a
couple bad sleeps doesn't actually affect you physically.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
Yeah, interestingly, how are you sleeping at this this game?
This games?
Speaker 2 (10:11):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (10:12):
Yeah, I mean I was up and down. Like before
the K four I had the best sleep, Before the
K two it was minimal, and then the K one
not as good. Oh, really so like, I guess it's
the expectation. I still got sleep, and it's like, I
don't know, you can convince yourself that you're fine as well,
and you don't do all that training, you don't get
to a point where you're in your best physical condition.
(10:34):
Just to think that one night bad sleep is going
to make a difference. You go, there's got to be
more than that.
Speaker 4 (10:38):
Yeah, how different was that twenty twelve in terms of
your nerves compared to your last race in Paris?
Speaker 6 (10:47):
Yeah? I think in twenty twelve, like I look back
and I think, well, what, like, so how green I was?
Speaker 5 (10:53):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (10:54):
Yeah, and the crowd there was incredible. I just remember being,
you know, I don't know how old is I like
twenty three and got the middle there and there was
this just before the start of the race, they had
this heartbeat that would go. It was like and so
also my heart's going racing, So like.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
What was it just to freak you out?
Speaker 6 (11:17):
I'm just trying to make it fun tins for everyone,
But I don't know, then really nervous but also super naive,
and then coming into Paris, I don't know, I think
so much preci expectation, I knew what I could do.
I just had to meet it with, you know, just
letting all that expectation go and just having the best
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race I could. And I was there and I loved
it and enjoyed it, so I don't know, just being
more experienced it was. It was really cool.
Speaker 4 (11:46):
Hey, now we both shared dogs by the name of Colin, right,
And I'm just looking at your book Lisa Carrington Chases
a Champion, and I see you've got your dog Colin
on the cover, riding the front.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
Of your boat. Colin?
Speaker 4 (11:58):
Can Colin ride on the boat? Does Colin jump off?
Do you take good dog Colin out on the water?
Speaker 6 (12:03):
I have taken him sat on my lap, and then
sometimes when he's been on the shore, I've been in
the boat, he's swum out and then I've had to
lift him up and put him on my lap. So
it's not the most efficient way.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
So that's not really accurate that picture.
Speaker 6 (12:20):
I mean I was I was on a on summer,
I was on a supboard and I tried to put
him on the front and he jumped off.
Speaker 4 (12:28):
How here Also, this isn't true. Colin's never won a
gold medal either. Picture of Colin on a podium, But.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
Also how proud must Colin be to know that his
own as the eighth most successful Olympian aware of that
as Colin, he must be so proud.
Speaker 6 (12:47):
I mean when I come home he definitely says that
to me.
Speaker 3 (12:51):
You brought in your medals today, Thank you for doing that.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
Are they all there? They're all here?
Speaker 4 (12:57):
Yeah, they're all there, and you don't travel around with
some kind of security for them.
Speaker 6 (13:02):
My questions about I've my large, strong manager in there.
Speaker 4 (13:08):
Imagine what would happen to someone and someone came across
and rob your meddles. The whole country would go for them.
They would not be able to amaze.
Speaker 6 (13:18):
You can actually take them out of the bag.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
It's quite heavy. I don't think you'd be in New
Zealand wouldn't let you carry this on? You know it's
past that's probably over the seven kg limit.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
Wow, that's here.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
You'd be.
Speaker 4 (13:33):
You'd be the only New Zealand olimit athlete there was
in danger of taking so many medals home with them
that they couldn't had to leave some stuff out of
their luggage.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
For the weight.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
Something quite thurrill about opening that bag.
Speaker 6 (13:42):
This one's on a sock that it's just to stop
it from scratching.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
How do you display them in your house? Or do
you display them?
Speaker 3 (13:51):
No?
Speaker 4 (13:52):
I don't so when you have done a party, so
people must demand that they come out.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
Probably that your friends who come over.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
Just after you know he finished? Is it all right?
We're well. Now for what we're here for. Bring out
the middle the bronze.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
The bronze has had a bit of work. The bronze
has seen a few The bronze looks like you've taken
it out to a fancy dress party.
Speaker 3 (14:20):
What does that mean? This is one of the harsher
questions you will get.
Speaker 6 (14:24):
You can take them, Yeah, take a little bag. Well yeah,
the Tokyo ones, the yeah, you take them out.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
We're just going to ask what does that? What is
that bronze? The bronze is quite interesting, isn't it, because
it's obviously the old one out in that in that bag.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
Does it mean does that kind of a special worry
that it gets lonely?
Speaker 3 (14:41):
And yeah?
Speaker 6 (14:44):
I mean the bronze is the K one five hundred
and at the Rio Olympics, and I think that was
I guess the story that I carry with that bronze
is it was the first Olympics that I was the
reigning Olympic champion of the two hundred, so that the
five hundred. So the amount of pressure and the expectation
(15:04):
of myself to be able to do two events in
the individual that was really tough. So to now come
to a point where I can do three events, you know,
there's got to be a lot of growth and learning
and training to get behind that. So it was a yeah,
it has a place.
Speaker 3 (15:20):
Yeah for sure.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
These guys here under armour is so pleased that under
armor is the sock that Lisa Carrington uses to.
Speaker 6 (15:30):
Washing machine stole.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
Right, what's the protocol on middles? Because I was playing
you can put it on? You can put it on because.
Speaker 4 (15:42):
And I were hanging out with MICHAELA blythe and he
and she handed the middle and he put it on,
and I thought he was making some kind of protocol breach.
Speaker 6 (15:47):
Oh no, you can do it. Definitely go ahead.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
So you've got what have you? What are you putting
on there? Mad?
Speaker 6 (15:55):
That's London?
Speaker 3 (15:56):
Yeah, okay, you got London, and.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
I've got Peter Harris.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
Look at that is beautiful because it's got a bit,
it's got an interesting bit of what looks like kind.
Speaker 6 (16:05):
Of silver and it's the Eiffel Tower.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
That's the part of the Eiffel Tower down in the middle.
Speaker 6 (16:09):
Yeah, wow, you.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
Want to struct your part, you want to hopefully one
I'm just gonna put this.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
Do you count? You count them when you leave a
place like this.
Speaker 6 (16:22):
Tokyo here, I don't know how dodgy you guys, are
you going to?
Speaker 1 (16:25):
Tokyo is quite beautiful.
Speaker 6 (16:26):
Rio and there's rio, but you know you take the
one that you like the most.
Speaker 3 (16:35):
Well, you've got a few of them.
Speaker 4 (16:41):
I mean, having one as the greatest achievement humanity, and
you've got.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
You must have never dreamed as a as a little
girl growing up, you must have never did you even
consider the idea of this?
Speaker 6 (16:55):
Well, I you know, like you remember, I don't know
about you guys, but as a kid, you know, like
an OLYMPI like they're the most amazing people. I want
to be one of them. And so absolutely not.
Speaker 4 (17:06):
Toture read dreaming Yeah in.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
The book picture for the conversation.
Speaker 6 (17:11):
Sorry, Yeah, so I don't know, like I think, No,
absolutely not. I didn't even know that I could make
a New Zealand teamle alone, make the Olympics to be
and then even to be a world champion and then
Olympic champion. No, Like, I guess that's why I feel
so privileged to be on this path. Like, I think
it's just amazing to be able to continually grow and
(17:32):
learn and be able to perform on the world stage.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
Yea, yeah, and you found something. Clearly, there was something
that clicked and you and you thought, this is actually
something that I love doing. This is something that I
want to do. I mean, obviously it's the huge amount
of work that goes with but something and you must
have thought, you know what, I love peddling. I actually
I love this.
Speaker 6 (17:54):
Yeah. Yeah, And I think too, like it's constantly reminding myself,
you know, when the pressure comes on. You're there and
you're competing and you have to trial for your spots
and the team, and I guess there's always that pressure
of I, you know, I just want to make the team.
I just want to be the best. Who if I don't,
when what does that mean about who I am? So
(18:14):
I think what really helped in Paris was remembering it's like, man,
actually the paddling is awesome. We know how to do this,
We're really good at it. We do it every day
to the best level that we can. So yeah, like
it has to be about enjoying all of it, like
the I don't know, it's the tears when things don't
quite go well, or the pressure, the excitement having a
(18:36):
great team, you know, all of it. You've got to
love all of it. And I think you know, as
I sit here in a comfortable room and a seat
talking to you guys, you know, it's really easy to
look back and sometimes in those moments you're like, wow,
this is tough, but I guess that's the pride you
get when you've gone through it. You're like, well, I
achieved that, I moved through. I found some ways to
get through it, and I'm proud of it. So it's
(18:57):
really cool.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
Well I'd be proud of it as well, quite as sensible.
Speaker 4 (19:03):
As Jerry said before you talking about in the boat
with you, we're all proud of it, which is odd.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
Yeah, we feel we feel proud.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
Yeah that's the.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
Most we've done. No work, No, we're just sitting on
a couch and we feel proud.
Speaker 4 (19:16):
So you know, we get stolen velop as I say,
wearing your gold metal round.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
And the other thing about you, Dame Lisa is that
you seem to do it effortlessly. This is the weird
part of it, you know, but it's clearly it's not.
Speaker 6 (19:30):
Yeah yeah, I mean it's like you, I go at
it every day to efficient, to paddle technically the best
I can and always finding improvement wherever it is. And
I guess that's when it looks effortless, it's more efficient
and you're going to go the go fastest.
Speaker 4 (19:48):
You can see that though, Like that the way you
stroke and the way it moves through and how steady
your boat is is quite different from some some some
people for the back in the pack, it's sort of.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
It's your hair doesn't seem to move. Yeah, it's like
your hair is so still.
Speaker 6 (20:00):
Yeah yeah, and like exactly, it's like it's something you
work on, strength, endurance, all of it, and you know
what you guys see there, I guess is a byproduct
of like mini mini hours of work.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
Tell me that you since since you won and in Paris,
tell me that you've had some time not training and
not going to the gym. Oh yeah, have you done
any have you done? Have you just had the time off? Yeah?
Speaker 6 (20:30):
No, I've been for some Brusque walks with my mum,
you know them walk, Yeah, she told she I got
felt I felt quite self conscious because we went for
a walk to said, oh, yeah, that was a really
easy walk yesterday. I was like, what do you mean,
all right? You know, like I mean it's been so
good to catch up with the family, and yeah, no,
like I mean, I do love moving. So there'll be
(20:50):
a point where I just exercised because you know, I'm
enjoying it. But right now, it's like it's relaxing, it's
reminiscing seeing people that I don't have the energy and
time to really properly catch up with.
Speaker 4 (21:05):
So and your book tell us about that, because we've
just been talking about something else.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
But this is where you're this.
Speaker 6 (21:12):
Is why you're here exactly. So my new kids book,
Lisa Carrington Chases a Champion, done in both you know, English,
enter deal. It's I guess it's really it's about eight
year old Lisa and her journey to achieving a goal
and so you know there's there's some ups and downs
(21:32):
and little ways she gets through it. So yeah, I'm
really proud of it. It's such a special special book.
I mean, you've got Colin, my dog. Yeah, obviously, I didn't.
I didn't have them when I was.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
So that's not that a little bit.
Speaker 6 (21:48):
Yeah, but you've got my brothers and my parents, and
the illustrations beautiful and they look exactly like my parents.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
Awesome, Scott.
Speaker 1 (21:57):
Yeah, yeah, I saw you the other day playing netball
and you aspire to be a netballer when you're growing up.
I was like, you could have been a really good
netballer as well.
Speaker 6 (22:06):
I don't know, I was too short.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
You can.
Speaker 6 (22:11):
Everyone can dream, right.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
I suppose it's a bit of a publisher's nightmare, this question, Lisa,
But I'm sure you've been asked to write books about
kind of your experiences, but obviously taking your focus towards
kids books. Is that quite an important part of it
for you is making sure that you're letting people know
that they can go out and from a young age
rather than trying to impact them and an autobiography or
something like that.
Speaker 6 (22:33):
Yeah, I think also doing a yeah, autobography, I don't know,
like talking about yourself is like is probably I don't
know women will do that, but yeah, I think lessons
and sharing those as important with kids, and I think
it's always been something I've wanted to do, but obviously
being allowed, you know, having who are my publishers work
(22:53):
with me on that has Yeah, it's been great to
be able to share some of those lessons.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
Saith, Thank you so much.
Speaker 6 (23:01):
You're welcome.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
What an inspiration you are and sorry about mess questions
earlier on and congratulations on everything. It's been a great
pleasure to have you in here.
Speaker 6 (23:14):
Thank you very much. You all look really great with
those metals on.
Speaker 3 (23:17):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
Unearned Vello.
Speaker 4 (23:24):
Hello, I'm Matt Heath. You have been listening to the
Matt and Jerry Daily Bespoke podcast. Right now you can
listen to our Radio Highlights podcast, which you will absolutely
get barred up about anyway. Set to download, like, subscribe, writer,
review all those great things. It really helps myself and
Jerry and to a lesser extent, Messi Ruder. If you
want to discuss anything raised in this pod, check out
(23:46):
the Conclave, a Matt and Jerry Facebook discussion group. And
while I'm plugging stuff, my book A Lifeless Punishing Thirteen
Ways to Love the Life You've Got is out now get.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
It wherever you get your books, or.
Speaker 4 (23:56):
Just google the bastard anyway you seem busy, I'll let
you blease.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
Please please give them a taste of Kiwi from me
Speaker 3 (24:09):
M hm
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