Rod and Greg Show - 2nd Congressional Candidate Colby Jenkins/SC Hearing re: Votes; Clyde Crews/Study on High Cost of Regulations

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
But now that you're here, I'm trying to think we
do we call it Thank Rod and Greg gets Friday.

Speaker 2 (00:05):
It doesn't roll off the top.

Speaker 1 (00:07):
We got to come up with hunt may. We'll take
suggestions from folks later on in the show. Today.

Speaker 2 (00:12):
Yeah, I.

Speaker 1 (00:14):
Doesn't Friday always feel good to you?

Speaker 2 (00:16):
It does? It feels for good for everyone in the station.
Nobody came in here, nobody. There's nobody in this building. Well, Mark,
Mark's here, We're here here, Jason's here, but that's it.

Speaker 1 (00:26):
The boss was here a little while. Our office is dark.

Speaker 2 (00:30):
Now everyone can tell they get the cow. You know
what they say was the cow start run when they
see the barn. Well, everyone sees the weekend coming. They're
running running into that weekend.

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It could be exciting because I'm on vacation next week.

Speaker 2 (00:42):
Yeah, you're you are traveling.

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I'm catting out, man, I am. I'm taking a.

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Little break, and folks, I the Rotten and Greg Show
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Take a break because you've got commitments. We've got other
things going on. But on Wednesday, Thursday and Friday, and
I'll be the nineteenth and then it's here we go
intil election day.

Speaker 2 (01:03):
Yep, it's a sprint to the election.

Speaker 1 (01:05):
And it's going to be a good one. It is
so great to be with you today on this Thank
Rod and Greg Fridayyeah you're saying that on the Rod
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two fifteen and say hey, Ron, I'm just looking at
some video Greg of the crowd standing outside the Center

(01:28):
in Bozeman, Montana to hear from the former president. They
have been lined up there, Greg since four o'clock this morning.

Speaker 2 (01:34):
And that is a typical Trump rally. And I'm telling
you as far back as twenty sixteen when he when
President Trump came here in March of sixteen, we were
seeing people lining up around our city blocks here in
Salt Lake. It was right cross the street from the
Grand America. There was a building there and we were
seeing i don't know, eight nine hours before the rally,
and we and we in politics had never seen and

(01:55):
campaigns had never seen people line up like that before
and that was back in March of sixteen. That was
the kind of popularity for a rally. It's only grown
since then.

Speaker 1 (02:03):
And he'll be here what on August twenty ninth, I believe,
for a fundraiser up in Park City. I wonder if
the public will get a chance to see him or
if nothing else, wave to him.

Speaker 2 (02:11):
I'll tell you what he's so he could just put
on as a social media I'm going to be here
and give you I don't know, six hours and it'll
be a packed house in no time.

Speaker 1 (02:20):
It will be all right. We have got a lot
to get to today. Big hearing for Colby Jenkins today.
Colby will join us coming up at four twenty. There's
some action concerning that very controversial highway project down in
Washington County. Commissioner Adam Snow will join us on that.
A little bit later on, we'll talk about dismantling child protection.
And we've got so many other topics to talk about today,

(02:41):
but we've got breaking news this afternoon on a good
old Hunter.

Speaker 2 (02:44):
I know that's this family. The bidens are the gift
that keeps on giving. The US Department of Justice has
formally alleged in court filings from this in this week
that Hunter Biden was involved in influence peddling overseas. Go figure, Wow,
I've only been talking about this for four years, confirming
the reporting of Peter Schweitzer, who's twenty eighteen book Secret

(03:07):
Empires exposed all of this and including this specific case
that the dj has finally charged him with, and that
is an oligarch from Romania who paid Hunter Biden and
another unnamed associate and hid Hunter Biden's names because he
didn't want to file as a federal agent or you know,
agent to lobby and at the Foreign Agent's Registration Act.

(03:31):
He did not want to do it, so he was
kind of getting the money on the sly. This is
that is asserted in the documents that were filed by
the Department of Justice, and so we have new charges
coming now. Peter Schweizer says, this is this one's for
about eight hundred k. There's still thirty million dollars of
money running around between Russia and China that they worked out.
That's also documented in his book. That we haven't seen

(03:53):
any kind of, you know, any kind of charges on,
but it begs the question was this part of was
this part of of Joe Biden's parachute package to get
these charges out here so he has an opportunity to
pardon his son before he leaves.

Speaker 1 (04:07):
I was going to ask you that I don't know.
You know, it would have to be a very quick trial,
wouldn't it. I mean to be I mean, if these
charges were just filed today, you're going to have to
move a trial along and get him convicted. Could he
reach a plea deal, Greg, and then the president pardon him?

Speaker 2 (04:23):
I can you pardon him on anything pending? Can he
just even carte blanche?

Speaker 1 (04:26):
I don't know what. I don't know what pardoning powers
are that Biden has or any president has, But I
think you're spot on on that. I think is this
part of a deal? Get him charge, get him pardon,
and see you later?

Speaker 2 (04:38):
Yeah? Yeah, no, I think And I'll tell you what
the thirty million and talking about Russia and China and
not talking about Romania, that that will be a lot
more embarrassing to Joe Biden and his brother and these
guys have been involved the whole time. You do. You're
not in you're not an elected public's office for over
fifty years, and have multiple residences and all the things

(04:58):
they have without income. You just don't get there without income.
And they and they have been you know, the Biden,
Joe Biden, what he refinanced his house twenty four times
or something like that. And there's a reason I've heard
people do that. But anyway, I think this has always
been the case. The media is never paid an attention
to it, the DOJ has never done anything about it.
But now that he's coincidentally, I don't think so. As

(05:21):
soon as he's stepped aside and there's a new candidate
in town for the nomination, now they're going to start
acting on these these long standing allegations. And finally, I mean,
it's not even hard. More is to come.

Speaker 1 (05:35):
Probably another real concern that Greg and I have come
across today is this movement when it comes to free speech.
Now ye I mean, you know, you have got major
media outlets in this country saying, Okay, maybe we need
to do something about free speech when it comes to
misinformation or disinformation out there, and folks, this is frightening.

(05:57):
They're what they're now talking about.

Speaker 2 (05:58):
So you remember we tried to have that, you know,
the Queen, the Cizar of misinformation or whatever she was
she was saying she was just stone cold crazy. Well,
there's some and we're gonna play this clip. There's some
real action being taken in Europe, whether it's in Germany,
whether it's the EU, but this is in Great Britain
where there's been some violences of late, and they think

(06:20):
the government in Great Britain thinks this is all the
fault of people who have tweeted or retweeted or posted
on social media, not encouraging people to act violently, but
things that would be that would inspire hate or the
emotions or opinions that would be hateful. Let's hear what

(06:41):
the warning to Britain's about what they are going to be,
what happens if they participate in social media?

Speaker 1 (06:47):
Yeah, that's their director of public safety. Maybe maybe hang on,
hang on, hang on, hang on should be there.

Speaker 2 (06:53):
I don't have a British accent, so I can't even
fake this one. But it's pretty draconian.

Speaker 1 (06:59):
That it should be there. All right, let's ride now
here it is doesn't want to work with?

Speaker 2 (07:05):
What kind of grimlins come in this place at night
with Friday?

Speaker 1 (07:08):
I don't know, I don't know what. I don't want
to show up, but all right, Well, it's basically saying, look,
if you share misinformation, if you share myf misinformation or disinformation,
you could be arrested.

Speaker 3 (07:20):
Greg.

Speaker 1 (07:21):
I mean that kind of that's free.

Speaker 2 (07:23):
And it's what they consider it's what they define as misinformation.
That's the scariest part of all because it's it's what,
in their opinion, would inspire hate or that people wouldn't like.
It's down to the opinions. And you know, you know
what free speech is or what hate speech is. It's
what the left doesn't agree with. That's what the hate
speech is that it is. Free speech is saying and

(07:45):
parroting what they believe to be the case. So if
you have any contradicting, uh, you know, opinion, try and play.

Speaker 1 (07:54):
That mark see if that'll play for us. It didn't
in here. Here's here's the clip of the UK minister
talking about read speech and curtailing free speech in the UK.

Speaker 4 (08:03):
The offense of incitement of racial hate to it involves
publishing or distributing material which is insulting or abusive, which
is intended to or likely to start racial hatered. So
if you retweet that, then you're republishing that and then
potentially you're committing that offense. And we do have dedicated

(08:23):
police officers who are scourring social media.

Speaker 2 (08:27):
Their job is to look for.

Speaker 4 (08:28):
This material and then follow up with identification, arrists and
so forth.

Speaker 1 (08:34):
So it's really really serious.

Speaker 5 (08:35):
People might.

Speaker 4 (08:38):
Think they're not doing anything harmful, they are and the
consequences will be visited upon them.

Speaker 1 (08:44):
Consequences will be visited upon them.

Speaker 2 (08:48):
Threat there's not saying speech that insites violence. So you're
saying speech that inspires hate, and you know what you
can that's an opinion, right, I mean, people could like
hate anything that we say here, all of a sudden,
we could be in the clink.

Speaker 1 (09:00):
There are some headlines in this country that were talking
about that.

Speaker 2 (09:03):
So of course The Washington the Washington Post, the New
York Times, Brookings Institute, they've all jumped on this headline
in the New York Times. Europe is making social media
better without curtailing free speech. The US should too. They're
talking about these types of things. We just listened to Washington.
That was from the New York Times, Washington Post. Germany
springs into action over hate speech against migrants, Brookings Institute.

(09:27):
Europe is starting to tackle disinformation. The US is lagging
and in the nation, can the EUS Digital Services Act
inspire US tech regulation? All of that coming out of Europe,
coming out of Great Britain is a way to come
into the United States. And no longer would you be
able to speak or express an opinion that someone may

(09:47):
hate yeah, or they may feel badly about or that
you might really someone may really like us and resent
the fact that we're being run by a bunch of
social engineering oligarchs. And that was for what I just said.
So now the clink you go. That's what they're saying.

Speaker 1 (10:03):
There you go, all right, mar Coming up on Rod
and Greg on this Friday afternoon. When we come back,
we'll talk with Colby Jenkins about that very important hearing
before the Utah Supreme Court today. That's coming up right
here on Utah's Talk Radio one O five nine canters.
It is Thank Rodd and Greg gets Friday Show.

Speaker 2 (10:19):
That's right, it does. I think of a new name.

Speaker 5 (10:23):
I like.

Speaker 1 (10:25):
Friday. How about this thank RNG is Friday. I don't
like Geez, you're hard to please. I'll have to think
about it.

Speaker 2 (10:33):
Well, when you're vacationing and you know, kicking your feet
up and relaxing you know those little you know, but
those umbrella drinks. Just think of something. We come back
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the Rod and Greg Show on Talk Radio one oh
five nine k n R s now joining us on
the show. Some breaking news or just news that have

(10:55):
been has been hitting all day today is that there
was a expedited Supreme Court States Supreme Court hearing today
regarding the Celeste Malloy Congressman Celeste Malloy versus Colby Jenkins
congressional race. That is a historic race. Everyone keeps saying
it's the closest in thirty years. It's way closer than
what happened in nineteen ninety four. Over one hundred and
seven thousand people have voted, and you've got a race

(11:16):
that has a margin of one hundred and seventy six voters.
Colby Jenkins. I believe they've gone to the Supreme Court
to ask for over one thousand ballots that were postmarked
as invalid to be counted given the circumstances surrounding those
ballots being postmarked and made invalid. So joining us on

(11:36):
the program on the Rotting Greg Show is candidate Colby Jenkins.
Mister Jenkins, thank you for joining us on the program.

Speaker 6 (11:44):
You bet, thanks, gentlemen, appreciate the opportunity. Thank you, Thank congratulations. Greg.
Yeah on the show.

Speaker 2 (11:49):
Now, I'm hanging out with Rod. Now I know you've
called into the Rod oarc caut Show. Now it's the
Rotting Greg Show. Thanks for noticing. So, Kobe, look, you
ran a heck of a race. That recount actually even
showed all everyone that was watching that there's some challenges
even with the voting software and machines, But that's not
related to why you found yourself and your attorneys in
front of the State Supreme Court today. Maybe you could

(12:11):
share with listeners what are the issues that you are
asking the State Supreme Court to consider in terms of
these ballots that were postmarked too late to count.

Speaker 6 (12:22):
Yeah, thank you.

Speaker 5 (12:23):
So.

Speaker 6 (12:23):
Ultimately, for us, we want to make sure that every
legal vote gets counted. We certainly want to win our
campaign in our election by all means, but the mission
really now is to make sure that every legal vote
gets counted. And what we've discovered and learned through this process,
particularly in the southern counties of our district nine counties,

(12:44):
specifically our male ballots get processed in Las Vegas until
the specific example we're looking at in Washington County alone,
we had more ballots get disqualified than people who voted
in person. We'll stop and think about that for a minute.
More people disqualified because they their ballot had a late

(13:07):
postmark or they weren't able to cure it because of
other reasons than voted in person. And so we had
people who have provided sworn aff the Davids, they they
put their ballot in the post office box on We
had one gentleman who mailed is on the seventeenth of.

Speaker 3 (13:24):
You Wow, a full week before.

Speaker 6 (13:26):
The deadline, only to be notified that it was disqualified.
So we go ahead.

Speaker 2 (13:33):
So so, Kobe, I'm not an attorney, but what would
be the legal basis? I know the emotional appeal of
why if you've if you've mailed it so early, why,
by rights, as a voter, you it should be reasonable
that you would expect that vote to be counted. On
what legal basis would you ask the Supreme Court to
count those votes if the reality is that the postmark

(13:54):
came in too late, and the statute says if it
comes into late, we can't count it.

Speaker 6 (13:58):
Yeah, great, question, and that's true to the heart of
the issue. The Utah Constitution, Article one, section seventeen states
that no power or entity call interfere with the right
to perform or the right to execute, suffrage the right
to vote.

Speaker 5 (14:17):
And so what we've.

Speaker 6 (14:18):
Discovered through this election is by allowing the postal Service
to become that unknown variable in the execution of voting,
we've allowed interference and now hamper or create disentranchisement voters.
So there's no chain of custody from start to finish
when a person drops their vote or mails their vote,

(14:40):
and allows now the postal Service to creep into that
equation and interfere. So we've got a constitutional problem where
interference is occurring because of the Postal Service, and as
a result, voters have become disentranchise Kobe.

Speaker 1 (14:55):
I imagine you're hearing from critics out there saying, Kobe,
look it, you lost the race by one hundred and
ninety four votes. Just accept it and let's move on.
You know, why carry on this fight? How do you
respond to that? Colby?

Speaker 6 (15:10):
Yeah, great question. I'm being hired or people are trying
to hire me to solve problems and to lead, and
that fighting that that opportunity didn't stop at the ballot box,
that doesn't stop when I leave the stage. I'm being
hired to solve these problems. And right now we have
people that voted for us, over fifty three thousand people

(15:31):
that voted for us, that are wanting to control government spending.
I'm standing up for Utah values. They're wanting to see that.
And so when we have more people disqualified because of
something that's out of their control and not able to
see their vote get counted, That's what I'm being hired
to solve. I'm being hired to fight for that, regardless

(15:54):
really of who they voted for. This could very well
turn out that majority of these ballots are for my opponent,
pungishwoman Beloit. But at the end of the day, if
we succeed in making sure that every legal vote is counted,
and more importantly, that this never happens again, then that
will be successful success for us.

Speaker 2 (16:12):
You raise a very good point, and I think you
know things have changed since these statutes. I used to
be a lawmaker. I remember when we used it, when
when we were dealing with these bills, and we and
we drafted legislation dealing with that postmark in the ability
to vote, but in the time since I was on
the clock and you get to your election this last
election cycle. It is interesting that our state constitution says

(16:36):
that they're at not at any time shall anyone, whether
it's civil or military, interfere or prevent the free exercise
of the right to vote. It is a fact that
the United States Postal Service in Las Vegas, Nevada, of
all places, is administering that our election, our state election,
by when and how they are able to in a

(16:56):
timely way or not timely way, send those ballots to
the you know, to the clerks when you when your
attorney's made this case today, most people don't follow this
stuff or watch how did how is that received by
the by the justices in your case today?

Speaker 6 (17:14):
In your mind, yeah, it was certainly hard to get
a read on on the five justices, but but we
we certainly sense their engagement and their intellectual curiosity. There
there seemed to be a little bit of of consternation
basically saying, well, it's it's the individual's responsibility to make

(17:35):
sure that it gets postpart on time. But but let's
field that back a little bit. If an individual mails
his or her ballot according to the county guidance, which
is basically, mail your ballot early. Well what does that mean?

Speaker 5 (17:49):
What is early?

Speaker 6 (17:50):
And and where do I mail it? So there's there's
ambiguous guidance there that also were arguing as into it.
But when a when of when a voter does everything
read within the whole power of their power and control
and still is disaprantized, still is disqualified, that's where that
constitutional dilemma comes into play, and where they don't have

(18:12):
control of their vote, their ability to vote. And I
could get one powerful example that illustrates this for me
for others. Let's say in southern Utah, just hypothetically, you
have a postal worker who, on even the twentieth of June,
four days before the deadline, takes the container of ballots
and throws them in the dumpster in front of everyone.

(18:33):
And we would all know that that's wrong, that's illegal,
that's not okay. But let's say that same postal worker
takes that same container of ballots and puts them on
the truck going to Las Vegas. Well, guess what, He's
still achieved the same result by putting him on the truck.
He's now disqualified those ballots. That's what we found. That
the boats that were mailded as early as the twentieth

(18:55):
even the seventeenth in some cases were disqualified. So why
is it okay to put that those ballots on their
way to Vegas crossing state line and then but yet
not okay to put them in the dumpster?

Speaker 7 (19:11):
Did that make sense?

Speaker 1 (19:12):
Yeah, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense to us. Kolby.
We appreciate a few minutes of your time. I imagine you're
hoping for an exibility decision from the Utah Supreme Court.
Good luck and thanks for joining us.

Speaker 6 (19:22):
Kolby, you bet, thanks, gentlemen.

Speaker 1 (19:24):
All right, that's Colby Jenkins, candidate for Utah second Congressional
District and emergency medium of the Utah Supreme Court today
raising some very interesting questions.

Speaker 5 (19:34):
Greg.

Speaker 2 (19:35):
I'll tell you what, Rod, I'm glad that the state
Supreme Court heard oral arguments on this. We have seen
since twenty twenty when when when President Trump brought voter
irregularities to the courts on processed decisions, never hearing any evidence,
any argument, any oral arguments at all, They always dismissed them.
They never wanted to get involved. I think one one
win is to even get this issue out there, because

(19:58):
I do have it. If if you want to vote
by mail, the postal service will tell you when you're
going to get your postmark, and they tell you that
you're going to get it if you if you're getting
it before the last pickup, you're going to get one
that day. If they are not living up to that
side of the of their posted instructions, I do think
that voters have done all they could to vote. So
interesting issue.

Speaker 1 (20:17):
Yeah, sure he is. All right. When we come back,
another interesting issue here in the state of Utah, we'll
talk about it on the Rotten Greg Joe and Utah's
Talk Radio one O five nine K, NRS one O
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the LDS Faith who are for kamal Up. Now, the

(20:40):
media is family dimension one thing we'll explain.

Speaker 2 (20:44):
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Yeah, we'll also talk about our our Looney Tunes Pick
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Speaker 2 (20:51):
Yep, it is a goofy one. It's very it. It
actually makes bugs Bunny look really smart.

Speaker 1 (20:58):
Matter of fact, I gotta know from Larry Gilwoods, who
by the ways in Switzerland right now. But he texted
me this morning, Murdock travel. Yeah, Morrismart doc travel youah, Columbus.
Morrismart doc travel texted me said, this is the goofiest
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Speaker 3 (21:11):
Rod.

Speaker 1 (21:11):
And we'll explain what it is, yes, coming up a
little bit later on, But right now, this is an
issue that's been going on for quite some time down
to Washington County. You're well aware of this, Greg, Yeah.
And just so folks know, I've worked with Washington County.
I've done I've worked on public policy with them and
do and I call it Liberty Land, Rod. It is
truly livery land down there in Washington County. That's where

(21:32):
all the patriots in Utah live. Joining us on the
program is Washington County Commissioner Adam Snow Commissioner.

Speaker 2 (21:41):
Thank you for joining us on the program. And you
filed the lawsuit. It says in the paper that you
guys are official. You've filed a suit against the BLM
and what the US Fishing, Fish and Wildlife Service.

Speaker 3 (21:54):
That's correct. Thanks for having me on, Rod and Greg
and always always happy to share that we're suing the
US government.

Speaker 1 (22:03):
Someone Adam, get to the issue. Why did you feel
you had to go to court on this issue? Yet?
Probably again what happened in your opinion?

Speaker 3 (22:12):
So, and I've been on your show before and we
got to talk about this, and this is just the
next step that we were forced to take because we
couldn't seem like we come to a solution reasonably. And
so we said, that's fine, then we'll go ahead and
escalate this. If you guys won't won't come to the table.
And so the issue really is regarding this road, which

(22:33):
is affectionately known as the Northern Corridor, but it's a
major east west corridor through but at the northern half
of the of the area of the counties. That's what
I called the Northern Corridor. But it goes east and
west and with you know, over two hundred thousand residents
and almost another one hundred thousand daily visitors, we have
to have routes to get people east and west. On

(22:56):
one side of that relatively short road it's only a
few miles long, is two our two major state parks
with millions of visitors and a substantial portion of our
population on the other side, or two other state parks
with millions of visitors and Zion National Park and I
fifteen and hundreds of thousands of other visitors and residents.

(23:17):
And so we kind of have a shallow U, and
so we need to get people through that pinch point
at the bottom of the U, at the trough, so
to speak, and as where that northern corridor exists or
is meant to exist. So we've been working on this.
It's been on the plan for almost thirty years now
on the General Plan Transportation Plan. We've been very vocal

(23:40):
about it. Everybody has known that this was in the
works under the Trump administration, actually under the Biden, sorry,
the Obama administration. In two thousand and nine, they signed
a bill of ipartisan bill Obama signed it that said
that we would set this this area side not just
as normal BLM land, but as a national conservation area,

(24:01):
and Congress designated the Sexary of the Interior shall designate
a route for a northern corridor in working with the
county and was Saint George City, Well, they took all
the things out of there that they liked and they
failed to ever give us the road. Well, under the
Trump administration, We got the permit, we went through all
the process, got the permit for the road, and then

(24:22):
the lawsuit that we just filed says that earlier, well
earlier last year, earlier in the Biden administration, some environmental
groups in the Fisher Wildlife Service in the BLM got
together in a back room deal and reinitiated illegal consultation
on the biological opinion, which sounds kind of wonky, and

(24:43):
honestly it kind of is. But basically, they started to
unravel the decision that we had been relying on to
our detriment for a couple of years now in renewing
our Habitat conservation plan, in relying that, hey, all the
deal that we worked out in twenty sixteen, seventeen and
eighteen is now going to go away.

Speaker 2 (25:03):
Yeah, let me just give you the language that they
the Biden administration welched on the deal. Okay, they just
completely welched on it. You guys had an agreement, you
trade land. You're you're all in on protecting the tortoises
and all the protected species. Everything's in. You've dotted every eye,
you've crossed every te Biden's administration comes in they welch
out on the deal. Now, this is my question, Commissioner.

(25:25):
I read the comments from the conservation groups the suit,
you know, Southern Utah al in this alliance and all
these other ones, and they they have an interesting way
of framing this. They say that this lawsuit by Washington County,
it's it's the force a highway where it doesn't belong.
There are viable alternatives that exist and would be a
better use of tax payer dollars. But for fifteen years,
Washington County leaders have clung to a proposed route as

(25:47):
its only option. What they are glazing over any previous deal,
and they're saying that you're just picking one of the
worst possible places to have this corridor, and that out
of stubbornness or maybe just cows, you won't consider any
other route. Are there other routes that this current administration
could come together for a corridor for transportation issues like

(26:09):
you described, To.

Speaker 3 (26:12):
Be honest, Greg, there are other routes. There are other
routes that move the sufficient number of cars. There's the
right amount of traffic today, they don't allow for further growth.
But so if we're just being completely honest in the
computerized model. Are there other routes, Yes, but we are
looking to the future. We're looking to one of the

(26:33):
fastest growing areas of the country, as we have been
for the last couple of decades. Yes, and we say, okay, well,
maybe you could add a couple of other lanes that
work today, But there is literally no more ground. You're
already hanging off the edge of the cliff literally to
we'd have to cantilever this road out around a cliff
and the Dixie Rock. If anybody's down here, been down
here before, Pioneer Park, everything in those red cliff right

(26:55):
above Saint George City, that's where they want to put
this candi levered highway. Well, it doesn't really serve the
traffic model today. It's very cumbersome. It kind of drops
everybody on the west side of the city with nowhere
to go because it's only a one way in and
it gets it gets very difficult. But technically, does it
move enough cars?

Speaker 5 (27:17):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (27:17):
Does it move enough cars in two years probably not,
And so with the long term projections, it doesn't work.
You can also take other streets that have schools and
have a very walkable neighborhood that the city has spent
and private people have spent millions and millions and millions
of dollars to try and make it a walkable, liveable

(27:38):
downtown area. You could take all that out and build
a highway through there, sure you could. So I'm not
going to lie and say that there's no other possible alternatives.
They're just not realistic alternatives that don't destroy the city
completely or other wonderful protected areas like that Sugar Loaf,
Dixie Rock Pioneer Park area, and they don't serve us

(28:00):
in the future. You'd have to remove more of the
cut for I fifteen through the middle of the hill
at the cost of tens of millions of dollars just
in excavation work, not let alone buying up the homes
that set up on top of it, the businesses, and
you just can't. Eventually, you can't widen a highway to
thirty five lanes. So it it's the only reasonable alternative.

(28:26):
And when we say reasonable, greg to your point, when
they welshed on it, the impact of the road is
one hundred and fifty acres roughly. That's how much disturbance
of ground there is. The tradeoff that we really didn't
have to do on the bill that Obama signed in
two thousand and nine. But the trade offf that we
added into this in twenty twenty was seven thousand acres

(28:49):
in exchange for one hundred and fifty acres of disturbance.

Speaker 2 (28:52):
Wow, and they got those seven thousand acres and they're
not turning over the one fifty one hundred and fifty.

Speaker 3 (28:58):
No, so they want the seven thousand. And that's the
point of this lawsuits. We're saying, you're requiring us to
under this new biological opinion you illegally started. You're requiring
us to under the no surprises rule to maintain all
of those things that you like, but we don't get
the road.

Speaker 1 (29:17):
Yeah, Commissioner, keep up the fight down there. We'll stay
on top of it. Appreciate a few minutes of your
time and enjoy the weekend.

Speaker 3 (29:24):
Thank you very much. We love to talk about suing
the US.

Speaker 1 (29:26):
Government, all right, as Commissioner Adam Snow from Washington County
talking about the Northern Corridor. All right, more coming up
here on the Rod and Greg Show in Utah's Talk
Radio one oh five nine. Can arrest You know I
don't understand it, Well, I do understand it. A little bit.
It's about a group of members of the Church of

(29:46):
Jesus Christ of Latter day Saints who are going to
vote for Kamala Harris.

Speaker 2 (29:52):
Yes, amazingly, that's all it is. It's just LDS, members
of the Church Saints for for that's all.

Speaker 1 (30:01):
Not necessarily. We'll get into that here in just a minute.
But speaking of the election, there were a couple of
real interesting developed developments over the last couple of days. Greg,
I think we briefly mentioned this on the show the
other day that under Governor Glenn Youngkin there in Virginia,
that state has removed more than six three hundred foreigners
from its voter rolls.

Speaker 2 (30:22):
And that's something, and that's something we were told I
thought we were told. You know, the left says, show
me documentation that the illegal because illegals already can't vote,
it's already the law. Well it exists. It's happening that
they're registering and now they're being purged, at least from
some states.

Speaker 1 (30:36):
Well, let's go to Nevada, our neighbor to the south,
purged over ninety thousand ineligible voters from its rolls following
a battle with the Republican National Committee and the Trump campaign.
So Nevada has purged ninety thousand ineligible voters from its roles.

Speaker 2 (30:53):
And these are not you know, taking the right of
people away to vote. These are people that don't exist.
I went to Clark County after the twenty twenty race.
We did some interviews of people that had mailed in
their vote, those votes had been flagged. I can tell
you with certainty, a person named Brandy Love, the Lust.
Brandy Lust does not live in north Las vegast Brandy Lust.

(31:16):
And whatever you do, do not google Brandy Lust because
you will not find voter information from that.

Speaker 1 (31:21):
You'll probably find other things from Las Vegas.

Speaker 2 (31:23):
Yeah, and so those type of names and those type
of votes were counted in that state, and it's good
to hear that they're being purged.

Speaker 1 (31:30):
Now, let's go to Arizona, another neighbor to the south.
Maricopa County is being sued for refusing to remove non
citizens and illegal immigrants from their voter roles.

Speaker 2 (31:41):
Imagine that.

Speaker 1 (31:42):
Imagine that Arizona, which has such a high standard when
it comes to election.

Speaker 2 (31:47):
Understand when you hear the left say, well, it's already
illegal to do, they're being removed, which means if it's illegal,
and it is, they were voting, they got on the roles,
they were voting, and now they're being remove. So anyone
tells you that it's already illegal, you don't have to
worry about these people coming in because they already can't vote.
You're seeing those those lists, finding them all over the place.

Speaker 1 (32:09):
And real quick back to Virginia. Glenn Youngkin announcing yesterday
all paper ballot voting in the state of Virginia, no
more electronic. It is going to be nothing but paper
ballots for presidential elections. And they're in Virginia.

Speaker 2 (32:22):
And he has his elections to office, check checking the list.
I think it's daily. They want to love all right, when.

Speaker 1 (32:28):
We come back our number two of the Rod and
Greg Show right here on Utah's Talk Radio one oh
five nine ANRN. Listen and you'll know.

Speaker 2 (32:40):
It's Friday. Everybody's working for the weekend.

Speaker 1 (32:43):
Yeah, I'm working for vacation.

Speaker 2 (32:46):
Yes you are. Yeah, man, you must be stoked.

Speaker 1 (32:50):
It's been a while. Yeah, it's been a wild summer
so far. Finally get a little bit of a break.

Speaker 2 (32:55):
Yeah, no, you deserve it, You deserve it, sir.

Speaker 1 (32:57):
Well, thank you. Yeah, you've done a week of this,
what's your what's your perception?

Speaker 2 (33:01):
I really think the week istown by flown by right, Yes,
it has and and it's it's fun to be here
every day. It's I'm getting a little more. It's it's
different thing coming once a week, and I really enjoy it.

Speaker 1 (33:13):
Yeah, it's great to have you all. And we're getting
one or two compliments.

Speaker 2 (33:21):
Yeah, well, I think the feedback has been generally positive.
I think it has been. It's been fun. Yeah, my email, yeah,
you know what you yours? Well, I'm just logging. Where's
the complaint box? You know the podcast still say the
roder catch show online.

Speaker 1 (33:38):
We're getting that fixed.

Speaker 2 (33:39):
How can I send anyone to it when it just
still says your name?

Speaker 1 (33:41):
We're getting it fixed. Don't worry about that.

Speaker 2 (33:43):
I need I need my patient. Do When do we
get the hats? You know this this rotten Greg. I
don't know if you folks is going to look great
on hats and shirts. Boy, this is we got gear.
We gotta have gear. If Walls is in Harris Gram
gear we can have we're legit well gear.

Speaker 1 (34:01):
Twenty twenty five. That's when you'll get it. Okay, all right,
there is an interesting story that the local media seems
to be obsessed with, but the national media is starting
to pick up this story as well, and as talking
about members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter
Day Saints who are enthusiastic now about Kamala Harris being
president of the United States.

Speaker 2 (34:22):
I'm going to read you a headline and you tell
me what about this major media outlet in the state
of Utah. What makes this headline maybe a little misleading? Ready,
Latter Day Saints for Harris group holds virtual campaign rally
for vice President.

Speaker 1 (34:39):
They're missing a word. Yes, yeah, there are yeah, yeah,
And this is a media or this is a church
z oone media outlet.

Speaker 2 (34:47):
Yeah, Latter Day Saints for Harris. It doesn't say as
other media outlets are saying. LDS Democrats with high hopes
for Harris Walls, Latterday Saints, Democrats and Republicans joined forces
to port Harris. I'm reading in Idaho. I'm reading another
media source in Utah that identifies correctly that these are
Latter Day Democrat Latter Day Saints. The one that I love,

(35:10):
the one that even says Latter Day Saints Democrats and
Republicans joined forces. The three pictures they use are Democrat
Ben McAdams. Uh, you know, former congressman and Sully County
mayor lose Eskamia, Democrat lose Eskima, a Senate Minority leader
and then former House Minority Leader and current Democrat candidate

(35:32):
for Governor Brian King. So three of the states elected
Democrats are the three faces in the latter day Saints,
Democrats and Republicans join forces to support Harris.

Speaker 1 (35:43):
Well, you know what they're trying to do here, They're
trying to show are trying to mask over the fact
that the quote LDS people who are for a couple
of Herris just happened to be Democrats, see, and they're
trying to cover that up by saying el the Saints.

Speaker 2 (36:01):
So and if I was if I'm doing political science
and I'm just talking campaigns and elections and voting blocks
and demographics, I would say that the the Jewish faith
and those that identify as being Jewish predominantly vote Democrat.
I think the number is seventy five percent or higher. U.
The demographic of those that are identify as members of

(36:22):
the Church of yis Christ Larry Saints. Uh that is
a higher block that identify and vote as a Republican
then the than the Jewish people. So it would be
like saying, you know, it's the it's the Jews for Trump, Okay,
And it's and it's suggesting that every Jewish person or
a huge block of the Jewish people that are Jewish
are all in for Trump. You'd need to read the

(36:45):
cross tabs of that poll that got you there. With that,
with that broad headline, it's the same for this. There's
there's a reason why we were a strong Republican state
or a red state, and the faith is what it is.
So I think it's a little miss leading to say
the least thing.

Speaker 1 (37:01):
Wouldn't be interesting. Now here's what I found interesting. One
of the one of the people who organize this, I
think as a BYU professor, said, you know, you know
members of the LDS faith who are for Kamala Harris
and Tim Walls, all right, they see unity in those
candidates because Donald Trump is so divisive that if we
elect those two Harris and Walls, he'll bring you know,

(37:24):
togetherness back to the country will be one country again.
Now I bring that up, So let's say they are
elected this fall, hopefully not. But let me say they are.
And a group of latter days sayings go to the
White House and say, we'd like you not to be
in favor of abortion. Yeah, how far do you think
that's going to go? Nowhere?

Speaker 2 (37:45):
Nowhere?

Speaker 1 (37:45):
Yeah, we would like you to fund police and give
us the security we want. No, we aren't going to
do that.

Speaker 2 (37:53):
The divisiveness that that comment is just I've never the
Democrats their language. I mean, we still can get to
the political ideology of the attempted You know, the assassin
who attempted to assassinate Donald Trump. I think we all
know from various sources that he did not like Donald Trump.
But you don't see any media attention, narrative, even explanation

(38:16):
about the inflammatory and I think insightful language that Trump
is Hitler. Trump is a fascist democracy in this country,
as we know, it will come to a complete stop.
It will never have a free election again. If we
think that Trump is divisive, what about that narrative? What
about those types of that kind of inflammatory language. The

(38:38):
Democrats they don't know how to run on an issue.
They only run on fear, they only run on division.
How do you look at this ticket and say that
they're not divisive. They don't have anything to run except
for again, they just run against Donald Trump. That would
sound divisive to me. Just run against the candidate without
any good ideas of your own.

Speaker 1 (38:56):
Yeah. She was asked yesterday, or I'm talking about Kamala Harris.
You know what her plan is her number one priority
if she is elected? You don't want it's going to
be what the economy? Oh okay, so GENI, you know
how she's going to beat the inflation. How she's going
to demand that big corporations cut their prices.

Speaker 2 (39:17):
See, yeah, this is that's just that the Inflation Reduction Act,
which is one of the greatest contributors to runaway inflation
we've ever seen in this country. She was the deciding vote.
It was a tie vote. She made the deciding vote
to inflict that upon us, and we've seen the inflation
grow because of it. She really thinks that it's raising
the minimum wage, the vetereral minimum wage. It's more free

(39:38):
health care or socializing medicine even more. And now it's
going to be mandating that we're going to put price
controls in place with the government to now get a
hold of this economy and make it better again, social
engineering oligarchs, that's who they are, versus personal liberties, the
right of self determination, free market, the Trump vance ticket.

(40:00):
It is truly one or the other. You don't get
any middle ground in. I don't care how many Camo
hats that Harris and Walls want to sell. I don't
care how much they want to talk about food or
you know, or that he's warm and fuzzy as a
you know, as a running mate, and all the other
things that they're saying. The substances. They have failed miserably,

(40:21):
and they are on the clock. Kamala Harris has been
on the clock for four years and she's killing this country.

Speaker 1 (40:25):
Let's talk about that well. And the thing is, again,
I mean for her to say, here's how I'm going
to fight inflation. I'm going to cut I'm going to
demand that the big corporations cut their prices. That's her solution.
Cut the prices will be fine.

Speaker 2 (40:39):
And it's not real.

Speaker 1 (40:40):
No, it is not real.

Speaker 2 (40:41):
It's not real. It's just blabbing.

Speaker 1 (40:43):
You want to cut one thing right away to deal
with inflation, cut federal spending exactly.

Speaker 2 (40:49):
I got to do that.

Speaker 1 (40:50):
That's not going to happen.

Speaker 2 (40:51):
They only know how to increase it. Every single idea
they have prints more money, which contributes to the inflation.

Speaker 1 (40:58):
So pretty amazing. But this whole thing about LDS Democrats mentioned,
You've got to remember that, folks. LDS Democrats are excited.

Speaker 2 (41:06):
It's about Democrats. Only if you can find a Republican
let me know, because if they are, I'd love to
know what part of the Republican platform or being a
Republican they're seeing any any hint of inside this incredibly
left of center ticket of Harrison Walls. I mean, this
is a this ticket is not seeking a broader, you know,
ideological appeal. They are. They are so far left well.

Speaker 1 (41:30):
Coming up here on the Rod and Greg Show, Joe Biden,
in an interview the other day, said that he expects
violence in the streets if Donald Trump is electly fears.

Speaker 2 (41:41):
Maybe I don't know if it sounds sounds like unity
to me.

Speaker 1 (41:43):
World talk about that and coming up in a little while,
the Looney Tunes story of the Week, Thank you Delta Airlines. Yep,
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(42:05):
enjoy this one, and a lot of you can relate
to this, and we'll explain why. Coming up, let's talk
about what Biden said the other day. He finally sat
down for a new interview. Lasted about three minutes before
you fall asleep, but he talked about the fact that
he's worried yet again, if Donald Trump is elected president
of the United States, there will be violence in the streets.

Speaker 2 (42:26):
Yeah, and he was baited. I mean, the media wants
to again. They want to get back to you know,
the talk of the assassination attempt is going away. It's
leaving people's memory. They don't want to be the ones
that have incited this type of violence by all the
doom and gloom that they attached to anything having to
do with President Trump. So he asked, Biden, what do
you think happens? Will there be violence in this next election?

(42:47):
And at first, because he is Biden, he says, well,
if Harris wins, they'll be violence, and I mean, I mean,
I mean if Trump wins. Okay, so he had to
get the right. He had to get it right. But
there it is right. There is that No, there'll be violence,
there will not be a peaceful transfer of power. You
have in the Hill a column that just came out
what was it yesterday? That no, it came out today.

(43:11):
Four signs that the peaceful transfer of power is in danger.
You know it's We talked earlier about how the left
wants to make any language that sounds like it's a
common sense idea or position, it's hateful and it needs
to it's misinformation. I'm going to tell you that the
idea that if Trump wins, that there's not going to
be a peaceful transfer of power, or that there's going

(43:32):
or if Trump loses, or that there's going to be violence,
or that he's going to be the end of democratic
republic as we know it, that is that is what
incites fear. That's what could take a crazy person and
make them act even crazier. But here is the greatest
irony of all. While they want you to vote based
on fear, because the Harris Walls take it, will never

(43:53):
tell you anything other than that. They laugh. So they
bring you joy and they love food, and they're like
Mac and cheese and a hardware store. That's all they
want you to know.

Speaker 1 (44:00):
And they like flannel shirts, and.

Speaker 2 (44:03):
They don't want to talk about a single detail of
anything real because they don't have a position, they don't
have issue, any issues to stand on. But while they
try as hard as they can with the media to
scare you to vote against Donald Trump, let's listen when
they don't know we're listening. Let's let's listen in like
a fly on the wall to Representative Raskin, this crazy Democrat,

(44:26):
and what he believes if Trump were to win the
presidency in November, what he plans to do if he
has the votes in Congress.

Speaker 8 (44:35):
What can be put into the Constitution can slip away
from you very quickly. And the greatest example going on
right now before our very eyes is section three of
the fourteenth Amendment, which they're just disappearing with a magic
wand as if it doesn't exist, even though it could
not be clearer what it's stating. And so you know,
they want to kick it to Congress. So it's going
to be up to us on January sixth, twenty twenty five,

(44:58):
to tell the rampage Trump mobs that he's disqualified and
then we need bodyguards for everybody in civil war conditions,
all because the nine justices, not all of them, but
these justices who have not many cases to look at
every year, not that much work to do a huge staff,
great protection, simply do not want to do their job

(45:22):
and interpret what the great fourteenth Amendment means.

Speaker 2 (45:24):
And I'm and by the way, you know amendment, the
fourteenth Amendment and section three that he's talking about is insurrectionists. Okay,
there's been no there's been no conviction of being an insurrectionist.
This is their contract they even held. Remember they even
pursued in the courts keeping him off ballots, so that
because they're going to save democracy, of course, the Democratic

(45:46):
Republic by trying to prevent him from being on a
bout using this constitutional amendment as they're logic, and the
lower courts would buy it. In Colorado and other states
they wouldn't buy because it's not real. But Raskin says,
under this, that's his justification for not ratifying and stopping
President Trump from taking the White House if he were elected.

(46:07):
Sounds a little doesn't not like a peaceful transfer of
power to me, Rod, And that's from that Democrat's lips
to our ears.

Speaker 1 (46:13):
Yeah, you want a real interesting scenario as to what
could take place in January sixth of twenty twenty five.
What's that? Okay, think about this for just a minute.
Donald Trump is elected president of the United States. The
vice president of the United States would certify the results.
You know who that would be?

Speaker 2 (46:33):
Kamala Harris.

Speaker 1 (46:34):
Kamala Harris. All right, now, how about this. Kamala Harris
wins in November, and now certification of the electoral votes
happens on January sixth. Who would certify that Kamala Harris, Yes,
as vice president? I mean, is that a weird scenario?
I mean, could you just see her greg certifying all

(46:54):
the electors that Donald Trump is president of the United States,
a man that she ran against and name in the book.

Speaker 2 (47:02):
And because because it's selective logic and selective outrage, they
would have just like rask and just you know, just
laid out there. They would tell you why he can't
be president, yeah, and why the vote didn't matter or
why it was there was something wrong with it, like
Stacy Abrams did when she ran for governor in Georgia.
Like Hillary Clinton said about her race against Trump in

(47:22):
sixteen and still says today. If you're a Democrat, you
can always talk about voter fraud, you can always talk
about voter suppression, you can always talk about how the
Republicans are cheating. But if you ever question a Democrat
win or any irregularity to a vote or to an
election where a Democrat prevails, then you've then it's an
insurrection and you're trying to destroy this democratically elected republic.

Speaker 1 (47:45):
I got one o the things I want to bring up.
Who was it? Tim Walls? And a boy. He's getting
a lot of scrutiny right now, as he should be.
Greg during a speech the other day, talked about minding
your own business. Okay, don't go into here, don't go
into this area. Just mind your own business. So warning
new Republicans to stay out of our buddy's life. This

(48:07):
is what he said briefly at that rally in Detroit.

Speaker 4 (48:11):
Even if we.

Speaker 8 (48:12):
Wouldn't make the same choice for ourselves, there's a golden rule,
mind your own damn business.

Speaker 1 (48:19):
Well, Florida Governor Ron Dessentives decided to have a little
bit of fun with that. Here's what he said about
minding your own business.

Speaker 9 (48:26):
They're asking me about this Waltz from Minnesota.

Speaker 1 (48:29):
Here's the thing.

Speaker 9 (48:30):
As Florida governor, I learn a lot about other states
because when people leave those states, they tell me why
they left those states. And I remember during COVID the
absolute frustration that people had moving from Minnesota because of
how they were being treated. You know, this is a
guy that's out there. He's got this line in the

(48:51):
stump speech saying, you know, our neighbors can do what
they want. Mind your own damn business. Fine, then why
did you set up a snitch hotline for neighbors to
report on their neighbors for violating your draconian COVID restrictions.
That's not minding your own damn business. That's government overreach.

Speaker 1 (49:12):
Mind your own business, Greg, Yeah, that's what Tim Wall says.

Speaker 2 (49:15):
He says, mind his business. Yeah, his business is what
you're gonna mind.

Speaker 1 (49:19):
Now. You want to hear what they said on the
snitch line that everybody's talking about it. I am dying
if you called in Minneapolis or in Minnesota during the
heighth of COVID mater fact, I think it is still
up Can you believe that it is still up?

Speaker 5 (49:32):
Right?

Speaker 1 (49:32):
But if you called this is what you would get.

Speaker 10 (49:34):
Hell, little, you have reached the Department of Public Stay
at Home Hotline. The information you leave is considered public
information at the tone. Please leave the following information your name,
your callback number, How the stay at home order is
being violated, and where the stay at home order was violated?
Thank you?

Speaker 1 (49:55):
How the stay at home order is being violated? And where?

Speaker 2 (49:59):
Show me your paypa?

Speaker 1 (50:00):
Yeah, show me your papers?

Speaker 2 (50:01):
Yeah, no, this is no you know what, I just
mind your own business. Has is it me? Or has
history proven already that that was an insane time we
lived through and it was wrong? I mean, because do
people still think that was a really good idea? Like
that was a real We could create laws that stop viruses? Yeah, okay,
did you know that? Did you know that if I
create a law, we can just stop a virus from spreading?

Speaker 1 (50:24):
Well yeah, yeah, And you know what, and here's how
we do it. We kill the economy. Yes, we make
our children stupid because they're in school, right. We don't
allow people to associate with each other. You got to
stay six feet apart. I mean, it was a it
was a it was a stroke of genius.

Speaker 2 (50:42):
But this is what I love about the whole thing.
They stopped you from working, but the mortgage bill still came,
the rent was still dude. You still needed food to
buy You needed household income to buy some food. But
nobody's working anywhere. They didn't like stop it across the board.
They didn't suspend ay you don't have to pay for now.
They tried programs and you had to run down months later.

(51:04):
But the whole thing was a complete disaster, and it's it.
So I just wonder if if that's just us looking
back and seeing that, or if if it's now conventional
wisdom that that was a really, really bad idea.

Speaker 1 (51:19):
I think most Americans are with you. They think it
was just a really really bad idea.

Speaker 2 (51:24):
You think it would happen twice. So if they wanted
to do another Black Swan event before the next election
and they said everybody, you got to stay in your
house shanilo out out, do you think people will do it?

Speaker 5 (51:32):
No?

Speaker 2 (51:32):
I don't think so.

Speaker 1 (51:33):
I think I think the American I think they'll try it, Greg,
But I think the American people that we the America.
I've always said, the American people, Greg hate to be
told what to do. Freedom is a very important word
in this country. Don't tell me I can't do this.

Speaker 2 (51:50):
I'm laughing to myself because one of the national networks
did a story because Washington County never did it in
the first place. Yes, that's true, but they had all
these national networks. Go look at his Walmart. It's packed
in here.

Speaker 1 (52:00):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (52:00):
Here were just kick Wow. Governor had to have his
inauguration swearing inauguration in Washington County because it was the
only county opened. He couldn't do it in Salt Lake County.

Speaker 1 (52:08):
When we come back, our Looney Tunes story for this
Friday that's coming up on the Rod and Greg Show
and Talk Radio one O five nine k n r S.
Thank Rod and Greg, It's Friday.

Speaker 2 (52:19):
Yeah county. Wait, you know we gotta get the Yeah,
we gotta get promo guys on this.

Speaker 1 (52:26):
It is the Rod and Greg Show here on Utah's
Talk Radio one O five nine k n r S.
We thought we'd have just a little bit of fun
today with this one because we're calling it our Looney
Tunes Story of the Week. I always like those cartoons.

Speaker 2 (52:57):
I love them. An hour and a half on Saturday mornings,
I was in heaven. I loved I love the show.
This is luniar though than even the Looney Tunes cartoons.

Speaker 1 (53:07):
Thanks to our good friends at Delta Airlines.

Speaker 2 (53:10):
So that's a major hub and a major employer employer
here in the state of Utah. So you know, Delta
is one of those you know, high we hold in
high esteem or we have this corporate citizen. But it's
hard to do when you find out the Delta Airlines, Uh,
they're they're still all about equity. They've got a top DEI.
I mean, while everybody else is scrambling away from this

(53:32):
nightmare concept and all this fake virtue signaling from Corporate America,
Delta's doubling down and worse. Uh, top DEI officer gets jettisons,
ladies and gentlemen being set at the gates as an
announcement as part of their equity push. They just don't
want to say ladies and gentlemen. This has been very divisive.

Speaker 5 (53:51):
Rod.

Speaker 2 (53:52):
I don't know if you knew it at the gate.
I don't know if you saw the weeping and whaling.
Oh my gosh, I thought it was all about this gout.
You know, the what do you call the sky? What's
the name of the If you get the fast lane,
and its a preaching preaching.

Speaker 1 (54:09):
I don't know club folks or whatever they are.

Speaker 2 (54:11):
Yeah, yeah, if you're if you're part of that, you
get that, you get the expedited lane. If you're like
cattle car, you get in the other the lane. I
thought that's where all the weeping and whaling happens. Turns
out nothing about that, not about delayed flights. It's when
you've heard the words ladies and gentlemen.

Speaker 1 (54:26):
I feel offended. You've just offended me.

Speaker 2 (54:29):
They've got Look, they're going to boldly pursue equity, and
they are just they're beginning to take a hard look
at this.

Speaker 1 (54:36):
Well, the name of the person with which whom you speak,
she has dealt this chief Diversity, Equity and Inclusion and
Social Impact officer man try and fit that on a
business card. Her name is Carolyn Johnson, and she has
said publicly that Delta is striving to boldly pursue equity,
which has impacted every level of the company, from its

(54:58):
hiring practice to the languaget uses at the gate. Now
let me answer you this, Greg. Doesn't the term ladies
and gentlemen? Isn't it just elementary good manners or or
am I just so out of touch anymore?

Speaker 2 (55:12):
One would think?

Speaker 1 (55:13):
One would think, I mean, isn't it a way of
showing respect to passengers? You know, the customers who are
paying to fly your airline?

Speaker 2 (55:23):
What are they gonna use instead of ladies and gentlemen?
Hey folks, Hey, hey, use guys.

Speaker 1 (55:29):
I mean, what is it Delta customers that warm and friendly?

Speaker 2 (55:35):
No, I'm just telling you right now, I think that
we are. I think that the I think these large
corporations that get hung up on all this stuff and
they want to get rid of the words ladies and gentlemen.
I find it to be the most shallow, most cheap
retail look at me virtue signaling effort you could ever have.
There are so many ways to treat human beings in

(55:55):
a humane and carrying way and show more empathy and
express more empathy in a large corporation with your employees,
with the passengers, and not play games like this. This
is this to me, is just a check a box.
And look at how virtuous I am.

Speaker 1 (56:09):
They're just trying to look at and the public just
laughs this off. I mean they just laugh it off.
Greg in my opinion, or ladies, or they stopped flying.

Speaker 2 (56:18):
Look at look at the Marvel movies that used to
be the biggest blockbusters in America and the world. As
soon as they started doing all this, it started getting woke.
Nobody goes to see those movies anymore. They've all been
a failure since Tony Stark died. So I we flew
the couple of weeks ago on Delta to go back
to the RNC. I can't remember if they welcomed Une

(56:39):
playing with ladies and gentlemen. You know, I don't remember either.

Speaker 1 (56:43):
I'll pay attention tomorrow. So I'll pay attention tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (56:46):
We're getting out of town right when that whole global
thing was going on, barely got out of there before
everything shut down.

Speaker 1 (56:53):
So that's our looney tune story of the week. Delta
Airlines no longer welcoming as passengers on board at the
gate with ladies and gentlemen. That's off flks, all right, boy,
Coming up on the Roden greg Show right here on
Utah's Talk Radio one oh five nine K and our
ass product Greg here on Utah's Talk Radio one o

(57:22):
five nine K and r ass Live everywhere on the
iHeartRadio app. I watched a fascinating documentary the other night,
Greg and it was called the the Gods of Tennis
and it took back and John McEnroe. Who else was
Bjorn Borg, Martine and Evertilova, Chrissy Everard, Billy, Jean King,

(57:42):
you know the height of interest in tennis in this
country today and it was just fascinating to see. I
remember those I love that era.

Speaker 2 (57:50):
I love that era. And then it segued right into
the Pete Sampras and Agasy and Michael Chang and I
mean there was just there was there were two errors
for me growing up that I just love tennis and
then it fell off.

Speaker 1 (58:03):
They had you know, Jimmy Connors yea, they had McEnroe
throwing a fit. Yeah he could and and so couldn't.
And Borg was like a machine.

Speaker 2 (58:12):
Yep, he was.

Speaker 1 (58:13):
He just didn't he get in trouble in his home country.

Speaker 2 (58:16):
Yeah. I think he had some legal issues, but as
a tennis player he was.

Speaker 1 (58:22):
And I was a huge Pete Sampers fan. Yeah remember
that Remember where was that is the Australian Open where
he was sick and and he was barfing all over
the place playing.

Speaker 2 (58:33):
And that was the final he was that sick. Wasn't
the final it was the final and he won. I
think he was I think he was playing agasy in
that and that wasn't what I might be conflating two
of the matches, but but I saw him getting ill
and he still made it through and one. Yeah, that
was so. I loved the I love the McEnroe just
flipping out on on whether it was Jimmy Connors or

(58:54):
or Borg and the beyond board, the officials or the Yeah,
I just like it was. That was a great time.
Martinez and Navaturlova and then Chrissy Everta. It was all great,
all great great times.

Speaker 1 (59:06):
You know what McEnroe and Legacy and Steffi Graff are into.
Now what pickleball?

Speaker 2 (59:11):
Oh? Gee, here we go.

Speaker 1 (59:12):
I know you're big. They're big, they're they do like
tours and they play pickleball. Really, I think that'd be
fun to play those guys. I need to try that sport.
I guess you don't. All you do is have you
ever played tennis? I have, Well, then maybe it'd be
pretty good at it.

Speaker 2 (59:26):
I played tennis.

Speaker 1 (59:27):
You never know another.

Speaker 2 (59:30):
You're surprised by that. Did you play tennis?

Speaker 6 (59:31):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (59:32):
I played. I played a little bit of tennis.

Speaker 1 (59:34):
Well, you're a boxer.

Speaker 2 (59:35):
Yeah, and I played a little bit of tennis.

Speaker 1 (59:36):
Okay, Yeah, not surprised in a way. Uh, speaking of sports,
Chet Rodriguez passed away today. Yeah, Aavin's golfer. Always what
do you do?

Speaker 2 (59:49):
You know? He took his putter. When you make a
long putty, you take that put like a sword and
needs like a like a swashbuckler. He's around. He had
he always had on that phone what they call Fedora,
had a hat and he would swashbuckle his putter like
a sword when you'd make those long putts.

Speaker 1 (01:00:06):
We always liked Chi. We did well, and we had
Someone sent me this today. I've got to play this.
Remember the old television show w k R P.

Speaker 2 (01:00:14):
Yes, oh, I love it. It was a great I
mean it was Johnny Fever, fly Trap, les Nessman, Herb
Tarlan in the Gordon Jump. That was played the manager
of the station, manager of the station. It was on
for several years. He can still catch it occasionally on
some of these cable channels. But someone sent me this
today and said, Rod this tied right in to remember

(01:00:37):
Chi Chi Rodriguez.

Speaker 1 (01:00:39):
Turning to sports.

Speaker 4 (01:00:44):
Winner of this week's Gulf Coast Golf Classic was Chai
Chai Rodriguez.

Speaker 2 (01:00:50):
Chi Chi finished with a nine underpar score.

Speaker 1 (01:00:54):
It's Chichi Rodriguez.

Speaker 9 (01:01:00):
Play, mister Roger Guiz will play.

Speaker 1 (01:01:05):
That was Johnny Fever stepping in and saying, it's chee
chee Rodriguez.

Speaker 2 (01:01:10):
But less it wouldn't it wouldn't have it Chai Chai Rodrigiz.

Speaker 1 (01:01:15):
Funniest episode of w k r P. And you and
I were talking about this earlier. The Thanksgiving turkey drop.

Speaker 2 (01:01:22):
Ascott in my witness, I thought those turkeys could fly.
He's like, oh my goodness, they're falling from the sky.
It's carnage. And he kept right. Was that was beautiful, beau.

Speaker 1 (01:01:32):
Funny, funny, funny show. If you for the younger generation
out there, if you've never seen it, take a look
at w k RP in Cincinnati. It's a funny show,
great and it's I hate to admit, this is kind
of true to life of what radio is. Idea, well,
I've been around that for a long time. Yeah, yeah,
that's what. It's pretty close to what radio really is.

(01:01:52):
And you have some characters in this business like you
would not believe.

Speaker 2 (01:01:57):
Did you have Lonnie Anderson run the the the office
or you're not.

Speaker 1 (01:02:02):
Gonna radio every radio station at Alanie Anders.

Speaker 2 (01:02:04):
Okay, just want to just want to run through my
mind just randomly of the different stars of that show.

Speaker 1 (01:02:10):
Yeah, and you just you know particular reason, you just
you know, you just they're they're weird people in this business.
And she yeah, yeah, we had them.

Speaker 2 (01:02:19):
Well good. I just wanted to know later in life
in the nineties or two thousand, early two thousands, or
was that TV show called news Radio that.

Speaker 1 (01:02:27):
Yeah, there's a pretty good show. And you you showed
me a clip today of the man and you did
you send that to the big Boss here?

Speaker 2 (01:02:35):
I didn't. I should send it to her.

Speaker 1 (01:02:36):
Huh, you should send it to her because the Big
Boss goes on a rent about what radio is all about.

Speaker 2 (01:02:43):
Advertising.

Speaker 1 (01:02:44):
You've got it.

Speaker 2 (01:02:45):
I mean, if you listen to this program, you know
you understand we rock the advertising.

Speaker 1 (01:02:51):
Yeah, do the advertising.

Speaker 6 (01:02:52):
Oh.

Speaker 1 (01:02:52):
One other thing I want to bring up, and that's
a little pat on the back for us as we're
talking about radio. A new research from the Cats Radio
group all Right finds that radio ranks as the most
trusted source of information. Radio ranks as the most trusted
source of information.

Speaker 2 (01:03:13):
As it is well this show, I mean, they're just
basically talking about us, right, yeah, because this we do
call balls and strikes. We dropped the truth bombs here.
By the way, listener just thought for a second, and
I didn't even see this when we were talking. I
thought that we whimped out by not mentioning all the
stars of w KRIPE in Cincinnati Lonnie Anderson, and then said,
I have to take that back because we did mention it.

(01:03:34):
I did it naturally.

Speaker 1 (01:03:35):
I forget about ill could you forget about line?

Speaker 2 (01:03:38):
And but yeah, yep, I brought it up on my own.
Didn't even see that comment.

Speaker 1 (01:03:42):
Well, good for you, Ye for you, listener, like that,
oh real quick. Among all voters, both Republican and Democrat,
eighty percent voters think radio is the most trusted media source.

Speaker 2 (01:03:54):
Out there is the most trust for media source.

Speaker 1 (01:03:59):
Yeah, they took the after we went on the air,
and then three day find it just like that. Absolutely
all right, more coming up our number three of the
Rodin great show, wrapping up our first week. It's been
a blast together. You meant you.

Speaker 2 (01:04:12):
I just flew by. I have to thank you, thank
the iHeart family here. It's a it's a big operation
you have here in Salt Lake with all the stations here,
and it was I want to be I'm very appreciative
well the chance to be here and be a co
host with you and and be with the King of media.
As much as I hate saying it where you can
hear me, because I say it when you can't hear me.

(01:04:33):
Your your experience and what you've done in front of
the camera on TV and Channel four about one hundred
years ago, and Channel two, I tell you were both.
Tell you did both. Okay, just Channel two.

Speaker 1 (01:04:45):
And then over there I got a chance to work
with Rod Decker.

Speaker 2 (01:04:48):
There you go. Rod was a good guy and then
and then he went into radio, and then you ran
things here and you ran things in Seattle, and you've
been doing this. You did this show on your own
for fourteen years and then you let me in. And
I do appreciate I do. And so far this week
it's okay, are you okay? I know you need a
vacation already. You're already asking for vacation, bro after the week. Okay,

(01:05:09):
all right.

Speaker 1 (01:05:11):
I just just thought of this and I heard Jase
mentioned this in his newscast. It was fifty years ago.
There Richard Nixon resigned. Now, you were just a little
you were just a little pup back then. But I
remember that.

Speaker 2 (01:05:24):
And if you look at the circumstances surrounding that and
why he resigned, those are that's nothing compared to what
happens in politics today. Oh, all he did is not
come clean that he had been told today after the
wiregate break in, that you did it happened, he said.
He found out later by the media. He'd that's the
old that is the inconsistency of which he hid from
his tapes that he is taping in his what in

(01:05:44):
the oval office, And for that he was was going
to be impeached, and so he resigned. These days, Oh
my goodness, the whoppers that that Biden tells and that
his I mean, there's just been it's just the bar
his lower well.

Speaker 1 (01:06:00):
I remember, I think it was the summer before this,
It may have been the previous summer, the Watergate hearings
with Howard Baker and Sam Irvin, the great lawmakers from
Tennessee and I think North Carolina. Uh, and they they
were co chairs of the committee and did hearings and
all of all this was televised at the time, and

(01:06:20):
then I think his last name, I want to say Butterfield,
I can't remember his first name, worked in the White
House and mentioned there are tapes, and then the fight
began over if the whole question presidential immunity came up
back then, a fight that eventually went to the or
Supreme Court saying do people have access to those tapes?

(01:06:43):
The Supreme Court said yes. Two days later the public
heard it, and about three days later he was out.

Speaker 2 (01:06:48):
Interesting side note on that is that you know, for
forty plus years we didn't know who deep Throat was,
the big inside the Oval office leak to the to
the Washington Post, and then come to find out it
was the second in charge of the FBI. So the
intelligent or the law enforcement helped do it. A disgruntled
second in command and he thought he should have got

(01:07:09):
a raise and didn't like Nixon is the one that
went to the Washington Post.

Speaker 1 (01:07:13):
Yeah, yeah, all right, let's move on. Let's talk about
child protective services. I know, Greg, you have dealt with
issues like this when you were in the child ledgers
as a lawmaker, and you know there is now apparently
a really scary push, a radical push. As our next guest,
says to dismantled child protective services. Joining us on our

(01:07:34):
newsmaker line right now at Rafael Mangual. He is a
fellow and Deputy director of Legal Policy at the Manhattan Institute,
talking about the push to dismantle child protective services. Rafael,
thanks so much for being on the Rod and Greg Show.
What do you see taking place when it comes to
child protective services?

Speaker 7 (01:07:51):
Well, one of the things that we see which is
really troubling is a national campaign to basically defaying, if
not completely dismantled child well services. And this this whole
campaign is based on the following narrative, which is that
because black children are overrepresented at most stages of the
child welfare system, meaning that they are disproportionately involved in

(01:08:14):
terms of reports of suspected child maltreatment and neglect, that
they are disproportionately more likely to end up in foster care,
that we should basically tear the whole thing down. And
you know what we're seeing is this sort of slew
of radical reform proposals aim the child welfare systems throughout
the country. And you know, calling them radicals, this isn't

(01:08:36):
just hyperbole. Now, I'll give you a few examples of
what I mean. So, for example, the Massachusetts General Hospital
System recently adopted a policy at the behest of advocates
working in this space, that they will no longer report
to child Welfare when a newborn baby is born with
drugs in their system. That would mean that would include

(01:08:56):
you know, heroin sentinel, you know, on the grounds that
it would produce or contribute to the racial disparities that
they see in child welfare involvement. Now, whatever you think
of the disparities and child welfare involvement, I think that
most Americans would agree that it's absolutely crazy to deny
a newborn baby the potential benefits of an intervention on

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the part of the city or state with respect to
their parents a drug abuse. Another one of the things
that they want to do is push to basically outlaw
mandatory and anonymous reporting. So there are certain categories professionals
in this country, namely school teachers, pediatricians for another example,
that are bound by law to report evidence of child

(01:09:42):
mistreatment child maltreatment. If they fail to do that, you know,
they can face penalties themselves. Now, you know, these rules
exist for a reason. Americans are also able to report
suspected child abuse and neglect anonymously, again for very obvious reasons.
Right for a neighbor might be a very large and

(01:10:02):
angry man, and if you suspect that, you know they're
mistreating their kids, and you want to make that report,
you probably don't necessarily want to attach your name to it.
They want to get rid of that, again on the
grounds that you know this is disproportionately affecting minority children,
and you know, one of the mechanisms through which they're
doing this is not just through state legislatures, but you know,

(01:10:25):
in my personal experience and what really got me into
this issue is that they're using the Civil Rights Commission
and taking advantage of the Civil Rights Commission to push
their agenda. So the Civil Rights Commission has fifty six
state advisory committees, one for each state, one for Washington,
d C. And one for each territory. And these committees
are supposed to advise the full Commission on Civil Rights

(01:10:48):
as to potential civil rights violations happening at the state level.
And what these advocates have been doing is targeting these
committees at the state level to try and push their agenda.
And New York's committee was one of the ones that
was targeted during this most recent term, and I was,
up until April of this year a member of that committee,
and I resigned in protest because I just couldn't get

(01:11:08):
behind a report that ultimately bought into all of the
radical proposals that these abolitionists and activists are pushing.

Speaker 2 (01:11:16):
Raphael, here's the tough spot, because there is no scenario
where we could ever get rid of child welfare departments
the ability to report and make sure that children are
safe when we know that statistically this is tragically. Children
are being abused and worse every day, and so we
need to have these safeguards in place in every state.

(01:11:36):
But then you get to some scenarios where human being
it's just like a pendulum. So sometimes you can see
some of these state departments where they get very aggressive
guardian ad items can be appointed, maybe even too often,
where parents feel that it's a system against them, or
there's a government system that is demonizing them when they
don't feel that they deserve it. How do you strike

(01:11:57):
that balance. You've looked at this issue, how do you
ensure the statey We've had national stories of some of
a child that's been was abused and people tried to
alert the authorities, and you can see where the system
failed in hindsight, so we know it has to be there.
But how can you how can you guard against a
state government or or a child welfare department becoming too

(01:12:17):
aggressive and infringing on parental rights.

Speaker 7 (01:12:22):
I think the way that you approach it is by
you know, having a very clear line drawn between you know,
what constitutes the legitimate realm of parental rights to raise
their children as they see fit, and what constitutes abuse
and neglect. And by and large, you know, states do
a pretty good job of that. Now, we do have
some states, like you know, California, for an example, that

(01:12:43):
seems to be really trying to push an agenda to
give child welfare agencies the power to intervene when say,
you know, a parent doesn't necessarily reaffirm their child's you know,
sudden desire to transition genders. Right. But but there is
a way to I think, distinguished between those situations and
the kinds of situations that most often trigger child service involvement.

Speaker 6 (01:13:08):
Right.

Speaker 7 (01:13:09):
These are instances in which parents are severely addicted to drugs,
in which children are malnourished, in which they're living in
just absolutely filthy and unhygienic circumstances in which they're being
physically or sexually abused. Right, that's where the balance is, right.
What happened, what's happening now is that you know, the

(01:13:30):
activists are quite literally trying to throw the baby out
with the bath water. This is you know, as I
said in a recent report on the topic, I mean,
this is an issue that really requires a scalpel.

Speaker 5 (01:13:43):
Right.

Speaker 7 (01:13:43):
We ought to be having very clear debates about specific
questions and making decisions on the basis of those cases
as they arise. But what the activists are doing is
they're taking a sledgehammer to the system instead of a scalpel,
and they're just trying to tear the whole thing down.
And one of the things that I see, you know,
which you've kind of alluded to with that question, is

(01:14:04):
that you know, you might start to see more and
more conservative support for these broad restrictions on child welfare.
And I think that's the wrong approach.

Speaker 1 (01:14:13):
Raphael Manguell, he is with the Manhattan Institute talking about
the push to dismantle child protective services. As you mentioned, Greg,
and when you were talking to Raphael, this is a
this is a difficult issue.

Speaker 2 (01:14:26):
It is children. I've seen I've seen both extremes. I've
seen severe abuse that the state needed to intervene to
save a child young, a child's life. But I've also
seen a young DCFS worker come in who's never been
a parent or anything and see a messy home, or
see something and and read into it something that's not there.
Or or a Jensen family where they wanted to treat

(01:14:47):
their son for cancer when they didn't believe he had it,
which it turned out he didn't, but they were trying
to take those prinor rights away. The state was DCFS was,
and so as a lawmaker we were asked to really
play referee sometimes where the state felt like they were
too aggressive against parental rights. Yeah, so it is a
tough space, it really is.

Speaker 1 (01:15:06):
My little granddaughter broke her leg the other day, you know,
in the parents' course, took her to the hospital, and
you have to wonder, will if somebody at the hospital say,
is this a case of child abuse here? What happened here?

Speaker 5 (01:15:18):
Now?

Speaker 1 (01:15:18):
I don't know if that question was asked or not,
but I got thinking about that. You know, they were
just horsing around, kids horsing around. She broke her leg,
you know, and she's fine, but you wonder you go
to the hospital and doctors look and kind of get
a little suspicious and what you know. And I'm not
sure if that happened, but I wonder if it does,
it does happen, and it does happen.

Speaker 2 (01:15:38):
It is if you go to emergency room with your
child's and your child has been injured to a sibi extent,
you go to the emergency room if what you explain
to the emergency room doctor is how that injury occurred.
If they look at that child and they don't think
the injury matches the story really really, they'll call the
state really and so. And I think in some cases

(01:15:59):
that's good because there might be a child that's being abused.
But what if there was a case where a child
had a syndrome where their bones were so brittle they
could easily break. And I don't know what the name
of that is, but that was something that they were
this family was struggling with with their child, and that
was not taken into consideration when UH Child and Family

(01:16:20):
Services were called and they were they were going to
lose their child over that so it's it is. But
the scenario is that that uh Raphael brought up, if
a child's born with drugs in their system, that ship
that is easy trigger. You have to alert someone when
that happens. I mean that that's not that isn't you know,
the hard thing to discern from.

Speaker 1 (01:16:42):
Yeah, all right, more coming up on the Roden Gregg
Show on Utah's Talk Radio one O five nine kN
R Talk.

Speaker 2 (01:16:47):
Radio one O five nine can R s you figured
out trying to struggling there. Thanks for calling me out.
But listen. If you want to listen to this Rotten
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(01:17:09):
That's where I like to go. Rod will tell you
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podcasts are kind all to listen to. Yep, yep, that's true.
How much do you know or how much I know
a lot? Rod, in fact, you don't have the luxury

(01:17:32):
of your opinion. I don't have the luxury of opinion.
You don't just know, you just know, all right, it's
it's the crust. Let me rephrase my question. Okay, how
much do you know about artificial intelligence? Nothing?

Speaker 1 (01:17:44):
You just said you know everything.

Speaker 2 (01:17:47):
It's artificial and I hear it smart, that's about I
feel like I.

Speaker 1 (01:17:51):
Have seen some demonstrations of it where they will like
they will write things for you. But I I'm with you,
and you know I don't know a lot about it,
and probably never will because of my advancing years.

Speaker 2 (01:18:03):
But all I know is I saw the Terminator movies.
That's all you need. That's all you need, sky Nett,
it's real. That scares you, yep, Sky, that's real. Once
that AI become self aware, we are toast. Okay, and
I think there if it's not self aware now, it's
it's like in twenty minutes from now where I hope
we make it to Monday show?

Speaker 1 (01:18:23):
Yeah, okay, well we may Where did we go wrong?
Because think about this, I mean, how many times in
your school years you are such a wonderful student?

Speaker 2 (01:18:32):
Yes, stellar?

Speaker 3 (01:18:33):
Did you?

Speaker 1 (01:18:34):
Did you wait till the last minute to write a
book report or turn in a term paper.

Speaker 2 (01:18:39):
I wasn't good unless it was the last minute. I
think I would have given that. I wouldn't have given
such an effort if I wasn't fighting the clock to
get it in on time.

Speaker 1 (01:18:47):
Well, nowadays you can just you know, work with AI
some of the AI, sir, and then write it for you.

Speaker 2 (01:18:56):
I think I had old school AI. Ah, really, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:19:02):
You paid someone?

Speaker 2 (01:19:03):
No, no, no, no, no, I don't believe you. No,
I didn't pay anyone. I'll tell you. I'll come clean.
What the heck? Who cares?

Speaker 3 (01:19:09):
This is?

Speaker 2 (01:19:10):
Like what fifth grade? We had book reports that were
always always yeah okay, and they had a no, they
had a minimum number of pages okay. But I had grandmother,
Grandma Maguire, and she had this book of Irish tales,
short stories, and I would take a short story and
I would attach two hundred and forty two pages to

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this story, and I would tell a book report on
an Irish short tale. But I would represent it as
a book report like it was a big long book.

Speaker 1 (01:19:38):
It was kind of a book report.

Speaker 2 (01:19:39):
Yeah, so I should I shouldn't have done. But that
was my that was my AI. Back in the day
you cheated. Well that that book was not in print anymore,
so no one could check it out.

Speaker 1 (01:19:48):
Well, AI is around a very healthy today. And how
are Utah schools dealing with this trying to struggle with
a balance between AI detention or detection, I should say,
and false accusations. Well, joining us on our Newsbager line
right now to talk about that as John England. He
is the education policy analyst at Labertas's Institute. John, thank you.

(01:20:09):
What kind of challengers or benefit is AI presenting to
the classrooms here in the state of Utah.

Speaker 11 (01:20:16):
I think there are benefits and challenges that schools will
be facing with. These kids will need to know AI.
It's going to be a tool, just like the Internet
or social media to grow businesses in the future. But
you can't just give on futter to access. You have
to think about teaching kids to think critically along with AI.

Speaker 2 (01:20:35):
So my question is, and this is the toughest part
of it, is how much of how much of AI?
If there's some something in an assignment that is tagged
as look, this came from a different source and this
was clearly artificially created versus a student who pulls from
the things they're reading the research they're doing, but it
might verbat and be the same information. How do you

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tell between AI doing all the work for them and
a good research sure, taking that information and applying it
to their assignment.

Speaker 11 (01:21:05):
Yeah, that's a great question. And what I would actually
say is teachers, instead of trying to use these gotcha
methods of hey you're using AI, that's cheating, they should
really develop a way of having the kids report how
if they did use AI in their assignments. I think
that's the best way to do it, and it gets
them to think critically. And if the kid just says, hey,

(01:21:26):
I typed in your prompt and to chat GPT and
it gave me, you know, my five page essay, then
you know they can have a conversation with well, if
you didn't really do any work, can we look at
this differently? That's what I think is the best method
of using AI and education.

Speaker 1 (01:21:41):
John. Do teachers know how to do that? Though? I mean,
are are teachers trained to deal with this new innovation
in the classroom called AI? Are they trained to do so?

Speaker 11 (01:21:51):
You know, I don't think there's any schools out there
who are training them. They're looking at policies right now,
and so anything that the teachers have is going to
be something that they develop themselves. But it's a great opportunity,
honestly to allow kids to help the teacher understand how
to use the AI, because the kids are going to
learn how to use this far faster than old folks

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like you and I.

Speaker 2 (01:22:15):
So I think one of the interesting things if you
had you had a lot of homework assignments stacked up,
and then all of a sudden, within a nanosecond, of
all of your homework assignments that magically appeared ready and submitted,
that could be the red flag, right, And so instead
of maybe the content and how to discern it, just
the volume of work that can be done in the
speed that students do it. I guess that's a that's

(01:22:37):
something that you can look for and see if AI
is doing the work and not the student.

Speaker 11 (01:22:42):
Yeah, that's definitely something that you could look for. And
you know, I think it's going to require teachers to
think about what they're teaching and how they're teaching it
far more deeply than what we currently are. You know,
just giving this like rope memorization type test, AI is
going to be able to do that very easily if
you cool require students to think more critically and deeply

(01:23:03):
talk about their sources and why they're correct versus just hey,
just do this assignment and turn it in. That's going
to be more critical in a child's education.

Speaker 1 (01:23:12):
Moving forward, John, how does a teacher deal with a
scenario like this? Teachers know their students and how well
they perform, and you may have a student who is
struggling and they turn in a paper that is absolutely marvelous,
you know, and it's obvious that as AI assisted. How
does a teacher deal with that and deal with a
student if in fact that may happen, which I get.

(01:23:33):
My guess is it may if it hasn't already, Yeah.

Speaker 11 (01:23:37):
It probably had. And honestly, AI is great at creating
the types of papers that teachers like to read. But
again it comes down to that conversation and having that
conversation with a student of how did you use AI
in this assignment? Did you use AI in this assignment?
And letting them, not punishing them.

Speaker 7 (01:23:58):
For it, but just letting me explo how did I
use it?

Speaker 11 (01:24:01):
I've used AI in my own personal writing. It's great
for helping me think about like, am I using passive
voice in my writing? Am I using too many sentences
of the same length? Am I using too big of
words to really hit an audience that I want to hit?
And so there are great uses for AI, but again,

(01:24:22):
you just have to teach the kids, and it's more
about the critical thinking than the actual product of AI itself.

Speaker 1 (01:24:31):
John, let me ask you this, how long do you
think it's going to take education to be able to
smooth this out and work with us? Are we talking
a couple of years here? Will it take longer than
that as AI further develops. How do you see education
handling this in the future.

Speaker 11 (01:24:47):
Well, this is where my bias towards having a market
of school choice comes in, because, honestly, I don't know
that public schools will do a great job adopting this.
You'll have some teachers who really dive in and do
a good job. You might have other teachers who won't.
But there are some private schools out there who are

(01:25:07):
doing marvelous jobs using AI in a very productive way
that are really beneficial to students, and those are the
ones that I think are going to thrive. So that's
where my bias of wanting school choice out there comes in.

Speaker 2 (01:25:23):
Okay, am, My thinking on this is just gone full circle,
as John, is there AI AI out there that can
detect AI for the teacher, the artificial intelligence that and
can detect artificial intelligence?

Speaker 11 (01:25:36):
I mean there's companies out there who say that they can,
but their false positive rate is way too high for
my liking. And so I don't love that aspect of it.
And again I don't love the gotcha methods that we're
thinking about with AI too much because I think it's
really more how do we teach them to use this tool,

(01:25:57):
just like we did with the Internet.

Speaker 2 (01:26:00):
Thank you, John England Well, education policy analysts with Libertus Institute.
I have to come clean. I asked that question because
I was thinking about me, like high school me, do
you have AI to detect AI? Because I would have
used a Let me tell you something, but.

Speaker 1 (01:26:14):
You know what you don't want Greg on this issue.
I mean, you've got some really sharp teachers, and they
know when the kids us an AI. I mean they
would know for me, they know they know in a
minute that he cheated exactly in the first line he cheated.

Speaker 2 (01:26:31):
Well, yeah, yeah, I don't know. I I think I
could have I think I could have mastered the all
of school in this well AI COVID bathrooms for boys
a girl girls that boys can go in. I think
I would have tortured school administrators with all the crazy
rules that are going on right now, because I would

(01:26:51):
have gone to its logical extreme for entertainment purposes only.

Speaker 1 (01:26:55):
Yeah, well, I am you tortured them already long before
any of this stuff came around.

Speaker 2 (01:27:00):
You want to know what I hear When I was speaker,
I went to the Teachers Union convention to speak, and
I already knew that as a lamaker they didn't really
like me, but I thought a speaker, I better go.
And these teachers were just lining up to yell at me.
And at one point I just said, you know what,
I've been making teachers mad my entire life. So this
is water off a duct's back. You can just keep going.
There's ever been a teacher that I haven't made mad.
So I'm out with it. I'm in familiar.

Speaker 1 (01:27:21):
Territory, all right. Mark Jumming up final half hour the
Rod and Greg Show here on Utah's Talk Radio one
oh five nine anrs. A few days ago, I had
a chance to talk with Wayne cruise. Wayne is a
fellow and regulatory studies. He's with the Competitive Enterprise Institute.
I had a chance to talk to him for Greg
was able to get in and I asked him about
a new study and it took a look at the

(01:27:41):
cost of regulation and how it is impacting American families.
It's pretty enlightening, it sure is.

Speaker 5 (01:27:47):
Well, you know, the federal government is spending six trillion
a year at least now, we hit that figure during
COVID and looks like we're not going back to normalcy
after that. But there's also the hidden tax of regulation.
And I use a low ball estimate. I use a
lot of government numbers and some private sector estimates, and
then I update it with the little bit that the

(01:28:07):
government manages to volunteer. But I come up with the
cost of two trillion dollars at least for the cost
of regulation. Others will tell you that if there's even
more in terms of regulatory costs. But that breaks down
at the family level, as you say, at about fifteen
thousand dollars per household in the United States. That's bigger
than everything in the family budget except housing. It's bigger

(01:28:30):
than transportation, clothing, food, all the things that are in
the budget are outstripped by the hidden costs of regulation.
I think that's really really significant, and at the very
least we could get and you should ask for and
be given more transparency and so forth with respect to
the regulatory.

Speaker 1 (01:28:48):
Enterprise, Wayne, how were you able to put this together?
I mean there must have been a lot of factors
you tried to bring into this. How were you able
to put it together? Wayne?

Speaker 5 (01:28:57):
Well, every year, you know, we see the fiscal budget.
You may be outraged at government spending. You may be
outraged that we just crossed thirty five trillion in terms
of federal debt, but there's never been anything like that
for the regulatory state. The best kinds of things we
have are little proxies. You can count up the pages
in the Federal Register, which is the daily depository of

(01:29:19):
rules and regulations, which by the way, is on track
this year to top one hundred thousand paces for the
first time ever. So we're entering the era of a
million pages added to the Federal Register every decade. But
apart from that, you've got three thousand rules and regulations
at least that come through the pipeline every year. But Meanwhile,

(01:29:39):
Congress passes a relative handful compared to that. Last year
there were sixty five laws passed by Congress, So you
have forty rules and regulations for every law that Congress passes.
I call that the unconstitutionality index, and every year take
a look at it averages around twenty three laws twenty
three rules and regulations for every law that Congress passes.

(01:30:02):
But so you pulled that kind of information together. We
ostensibly have a watchdog function at the Office of Management
and Budget to oversee the regulatory state and perform cost
benefit analysis and make sure that the good outweighs the bad.
The problem is, there's been a big transformation into Biden administration.
He issued an executive order called Modernizing Regulatory Review, and

(01:30:25):
rather than emphasizing that watchdog function that I just mentioned,
he has instead enlisted OMB in the pursuit of net
benefits as the progressive political wing sees them. So it's
climate pursuits, net zero energy pursuits, equity competition policy, which
includes price controls and other kinds of interventions. So you've

(01:30:47):
got instead of OMB, the alleged watchdog, cutting back and
looking for ways to cut regulations, they're simply looking for
ways to add them. So all of that stuff matters.
It adds up, and especially in this current scenario we're in,
we've had some major major pieces of high cost of
legislation like the after the cares actually got the inflation law,

(01:31:10):
of the Chip's law, the infrastructure law, all of it.
These big spending laws are already hyper regulatory before the
bureaucrats even start writing rules. So everything right now is
militating toward there being more regulation coming through the pipeline
rather than less, even after we try to draw attention
to it in a report like ten thousand Commandments.

Speaker 1 (01:31:31):
When you have done this for a long long time,
have you ever seen anything like this? I mean, it
almost appears to be completely out of control anymore.

Speaker 5 (01:31:39):
It feels that way, and I'm concerned about. Well, there
are good things, I'll say, Rod, you know, getting to
change with respect to some Supreme Court decisions have been
helpful in terms of treating things as major questions that
Congress would need to weigh in on rather than agencies
setting their own pace. And to change with respect to
deference to agent. In a recent decision called Loper that

(01:32:02):
overturned something called the Chevron doctrine. That matters a lot,
but it and it makes a big difference that some
of the lee sure has been replaced with a choke
chain on agencies. But at the same time, as I'd indicated,
a lot of the bigatory regulation now is being driven
by these major spending bills, so that matters a lot.

(01:32:25):
And then on the other side, agencies I fear, in
the wake of the change with regard to Chevron, are
going to be incentivized if they can't write rules and
use their discretion with respect to rule writing, what they
might fall back on instead is so called subregulatory guidance documents.
These are the notices, bulletins, circulars, administrative interpretations, letters on

(01:32:49):
down the line. We took to calling them regulatory dark
matter and inventoring those two, and I did reference that
in the in the report also, but I do separate
treatment of that. So I think, you know, in terms
of the big spending bills that are regulatory in the
in and of themselves, and then the agency's propensities to

(01:33:09):
regulate in the pursuit of Biden's modernization agenda, and also
their willingness to use regulatory dark matter, I think those
three pressures in particular, indicate more interest in regulating and
more flexibility for regulating. So there needs to be a

(01:33:30):
reaction by Congress to step back from the regulatory enterprise
and say, wait, a lot of times we shouldn't be
doing this regulation at all, and really start to cut
back on the discretion agencies have. But also watch themselves.
You know, it's not just an over delegation to agencies problem.
It's also Congress's own disregard of its own enumerated powers.

(01:33:53):
So it's big government all around. We're getting it from
the agencies and from Congress, and so it'll that's what
needs to be wrestled with.

Speaker 1 (01:34:01):
Well, I tell you what, Greg, the amount of regulation
that companies have to face anymore has got to be frightening.

Speaker 2 (01:34:07):
Well, it's anti business, anti business, it's and it's it's
it's their plan. It's this isn't by accident, it's not
that they're incompetent. This is all.

Speaker 1 (01:34:15):
Are you sure No?

Speaker 2 (01:34:17):
I think I think it's a plan. I think it's
to really just tear it all down. Yeah, I really do.

Speaker 1 (01:34:21):
On our Newsmaker line, that was Wayne Cruz. He's a
fellow in regulatory studies at the Competitive Enterprise Institute. Final
segment of the Rod and Greg Show coming up right
here on Utah's Talk Radio one oh five nine can
ar S. As we wrap up our first week, let's
talk about interesting angles on the presidential battle. Yesterday, it
was yesterday Politico had this story on the clothes that

(01:34:46):
Tim Walls wears, you know, the camouflage had flannel shirts,
you know, kind of a kind of a relaxed dress mode.
And they say, that's what we'll be coming to Washington
if he is elected. Don't count on it. But that's
what they're saying.

Speaker 2 (01:34:58):
Well, it's a shameless appeal to the middle class, the
working class, and they think it is about clothes. That's
about all they relate to or think about when they
think about the hard working Americans and what their lives
are like. So they want to go to camo hats
and they want to go to what kind of clothes
you wear?

Speaker 1 (01:35:12):
What kind of fooji eat?

Speaker 2 (01:35:13):
Well, that's the thing that the Atlantic a serious This
is actually a straight faced journalistic piece from the Atlantic
that really does want to get into the political brand
of these two Kamala Harris and Walls. Governor Walls over
the food being their political brand. Now, I didn't know
that in the times we live in, with all the
issues confronting America and the world, that food was going

(01:35:37):
to be a centerpiece of this presidential campaign. But it
turns out not only is it, but it's one that
they're talking about in positive ways. Tim Walls, I don't
know if you know this. Rod loves corn dogs.

Speaker 1 (01:35:47):
I like corn dogs.

Speaker 2 (01:35:48):
He loves the all you can Drink milk booth at
the Minnesota State Fair.

Speaker 1 (01:35:53):
There's all you can drink milk booth apparently.

Speaker 2 (01:35:56):
And he loves dunking his cinnamon rolls in chili. Huh yeah.
And he gets excited about soda. Even when he was
interviewed a couple of weeks back by Jake Sandan's Jake
Tapper about Joe Biden when they were still trying to
kick him to the curb, he really wanted to tell
Jake that he was talking to him just after eating
one of Minnesota's delicacy's called the Juicy Lucy. It's a

(01:36:18):
hamburger stuffed with cheese. Okay, now, let's move over to
Kamala Harriska. It says that she's an exceptional and an
enthusiastic home cook and has made cooking part of her
political brand. You see, the media has to go into
this as if like Jimmy Carter was a peanut farmer,
because there's not a single issue they can talk about

(01:36:38):
that has any substance. So we're going to talk about clothes,
We're going to talk about a lot of food. We're
going to talk about mac and cheese and hardware stores.
And it's sad the media is really more on the
propaganda angle than on reporting anything truthful.

Speaker 1 (01:36:54):
Right now, Well, that wraps it up for this week.
Like I said, all be gone next week. We'll be
off for a couple of days Monday and Tuesday, but
Greg will be here Wednesday, Thursday. I'm back on the nineteenth.

Speaker 2 (01:37:03):
Yeah, you have fun on your vacation. Travel safely.

Speaker 1 (01:37:06):
I've gotten into any trouble, I won't are.

Speaker 2 (01:37:09):
You're gonna love it. So Wednesday, folks, I'll be back
Wednesday and the Rod and Greg show will start, but
I'll be at the Helm.

Speaker 1 (01:37:14):
Just don't get us into it never And that's it
for us tonight. Head up, shoulder's back. May God bless
you and your family and this great country of ours.
Thanks for joining us. Everybody, have a nice, safe, fun weekend.