Rod and Greg Show - Is Biden Getting a Little Revenge; Kamala's Failed "Charm" Tour; Is Kamala Losing Latinos

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
I mean, do we have a lot to talk about today? Man,
there is so much going on every day. I don't
think we'll fit it all into the show. We just
got too much.

Speaker 2 (00:08):
We do have a lot. And then I find out
right before we go on the on the show that
you've had some kind of stroke, you've lost your mind. Like,
I don't even know who you are, sir, I don't
know who you are. You made you just played the
Devil's advocate. But I think you'll get into this.

Speaker 3 (00:23):
I am.

Speaker 2 (00:24):
I am stunned. I sit here. I can't believe you
think that. I cannot believe your take is what I
just heard. Well, this show is about opinion, and each
of us have an opinion. Good opinions, you know. Truth
bombs are what we drop here. I don't know what
you just said to me, but it's like, who are you?
I can't believe you're saying that, folks, I think we've

(00:44):
got some got I got a clone in here. You
don't know you're saying he's I don't believe it.

Speaker 1 (00:50):
Yeah, all right, now, before we start on the show today,
like we said, we've got a lot going on. We
thought we'd do this for mister.

Speaker 4 (00:56):
Hughes Day, Happy Birthday, good book Day, the president.

Speaker 1 (01:17):
Birthday. Well, we dug back into the archives and we
found Marilyn Monroe singing happy birthday to former president, one
time President John F. Kennedy. And it's your birthday on Sunday. Yeah,
October thirteenth, you'll be in Vegas celebrating.

Speaker 2 (01:35):
Well that sounds a little crazy, but I'll be there
for the Steelers versus Las Vegas Raiders.

Speaker 1 (01:39):
Why do I get the sense that you really believe
what happens in Vegas states in Vegas? Why do I
get that sense?

Speaker 2 (01:47):
I don't. I don't That tound is you know when
they used to have the cheap buffets, the cheap food,
and they're doing that to get you to gamble.

Speaker 1 (01:55):
Wasn't that fun?

Speaker 2 (01:56):
I had cracked the coat, I could eat food until
I died.

Speaker 1 (01:59):
Fun.

Speaker 2 (01:59):
Now they charge you literally one hundred dollars a day
to park to park your car there. Yes, yeah, it's
they They are hitting you on the food. They're hitting
you everywhere and everywhere.

Speaker 1 (02:08):
It had, Like you say, Greg, it used to be
a fairly inexpensive town that's become really expensive.

Speaker 2 (02:16):
No, it's it's it's it's where you go to on
the strip. It's dirty, and it's just.

Speaker 1 (02:21):
I don't go on this strip. If I can avoid
the strip, I avoid the strip.

Speaker 2 (02:24):
Well there, so yeah, so anyway, it's yeah, I'm not
the biggest fan of Vegas, but I think that it's
become a sports town. It's got all the sports.

Speaker 1 (02:32):
Now you're going down for the except for the NBA,
and I think just a matter of time for the end.
I'm just not I'm just but it is your birthday
on Sunday? Correct?

Speaker 2 (02:40):
It is October third, by the way, that is that's
Margaret Thatcher's birthday, Marie Osmond's birthday, my uncle Denny's birthday,
my neighbor Brin uh her birthday. And the man I
called the Oracle who knows everything about Pittsburgh sports, his
birthday is that October thirteenth.

Speaker 3 (02:58):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (02:58):
And actually David Butterfield.

Speaker 1 (03:00):
So there really, Well, happy birthday to you. Thanks coming
up on Sunday, you'll be down in Vegas supporting your Steelers.

Speaker 2 (03:06):
Yes, I will, I'm I'm all. You should see it.
You're going to to behold. Will you send us a
picture of you? Yeah, I'll send you. I got my TJ.
Watt linebacker Jersey on. But I've got it will be
you'll put your face to you. No, but I've got
stuff I wear that says I'm a Steelers fan. There
will be no wondering. There's no neutrality in anything.

Speaker 1 (03:29):
All Right, We've got a lot to get to today
here on the Rotting Great Show, and as always we
invite you to be a part of it. Eight eight
eight five seven eight zero one zero triple eight five
seven o eight zero one zero or on your cell phone,
all you do is have to dial pound two fifty
and say, hey, right, so much election news to get
to and we're all talking about Barack Obama here in
a little while, because that thing is just absolutely nuts

(03:49):
to me.

Speaker 2 (03:50):
It's bad.

Speaker 1 (03:51):
Yeah, I really I do want to start off because
I know you've got other things you want to talk about,
but I want to say, where on earth are member
of the Roman Catholic faith in this country today?

Speaker 5 (04:02):
Greg?

Speaker 1 (04:02):
I mean, and I'm talking about this whole Gretchen Whitmer thing,
this video that is out there today. It was really
you and I caught it right at the tail end
of the show last night. But here you have the
governor of Detroit, or of Michigan, I should say for
some social media influencer. She apparently has a popular show.

(04:23):
The woman is on her knees, and here you have
Gretchen Whitmer giving her a dorito chip the way you
would deliver sacrament in a Catholic mass. It's crush and Greg,
You're going, what on earth is that?

Speaker 2 (04:39):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (04:40):
And she she Whitmer looks at she. I think she
has a Walls Harris camouflage hat on. And she turns
to the publican just stairs, what if she is a
sick person?

Speaker 2 (04:52):
Look, it's it's yeah, it's it's so I think the
nicest way you could put distasteful, but it's patently wrong.
It's weird, it's it's I you know, you can watch
that one hundred times and the way it's even done,
you'll know if there's some other insinuations going on there.
It's just it's it's it's just gross.

Speaker 1 (05:12):
Yeah, And I'm surprised members of the Catholic faith, Catholic
leadership there in Michigan wouldn't be coming out and condemning
that and calling her out on it. Maybe they'll do it,
but I haven't seeing it. As I you, it's kind
of kind of bizarre. Now, speaking of bizarre, we have
a new ad out.

Speaker 2 (05:29):
Yeah, it is that. It is that I'm gonna tell
you you you with your crack journalist journalist experience, UH
found that something that I was assuming that was not correct,
and that is this is not an official Kamala Harris
Harris Wall's campaign ad. They are having trouble with men,
as you will hear from UH the scolder in chief

(05:50):
Baraco bombing and screaming or yelling at and yelling at
the black men gentlemen in Pittsburgh for daring to consider
not voting for Harris. But you know, this is a
party that is just blended and tried to erase gender general,
I mean just there is no gender, the transitionue everything else.
Now they find that they have surprise, surprise, problems with men.

(06:13):
There's less men to pull. The numbers show how many
men have left the Democrat parties that are thirty and
younger since twenty sixteen. So they have a real problem.
And so they have some people that are trying to
that are you know part that's there's money paid. These
are all actors. I even know the bios now of
each of the people that's in this horrible ad. So
it's a production, it's a real it's a real ad.

(06:35):
It does not persue. I do not believe, in my opinion,
this ad will persuade a single person with testosterone coursing
through their veins that they are that the men should
now vote for Harris. I think the opposite.

Speaker 1 (06:47):
I'm still wondering if this is just satire grade. Maybe not,
But I want you to everyone who's listening right now,
listen to this ad.

Speaker 2 (06:55):
It doesn't even when you listen to it, you're going
to be offended. But if you could see the visuals,
the visuals are worse than even the words they say.

Speaker 1 (07:02):
Here, it is here, it is. I'm a man, I'm
a man.

Speaker 3 (07:06):
I'm a man man, and I'm man enough.

Speaker 1 (07:08):
I'm man enough to enjoy a barrel proof bourbon meat,
man enough to cook my steak rare, man enough to
deadlift five hundred and breed it out of my daughter's hair.

Speaker 3 (07:17):
Do you think I'm afraid to rebuild a carburetor? How
you CARBURETD for breakfast? I'm afraid of bears.

Speaker 1 (07:22):
That's what beer hugs are for.

Speaker 3 (07:23):
I'll tell you another thing. I sure I'm not afraid
of women.

Speaker 1 (07:27):
I'm not afraid of women. I'm not afraid of women.

Speaker 2 (07:30):
They want to control their bodies.

Speaker 3 (07:32):
I say go for it. They want to use ivy,
have to start a family. I'm not afraid of families.

Speaker 6 (07:36):
They want to be child as cat.

Speaker 2 (07:37):
Ladies have all the cats you want.

Speaker 7 (07:39):
Woman wants to be president, well, I hope she has
the guts to look right in the eye and accept
my bull throated endorsement.

Speaker 3 (07:44):
Because I'm man enough to support.

Speaker 6 (07:46):
Women, man enough to know what kind of doing.

Speaker 2 (07:48):
That that life, man enough to admit I'm lost even
when I refuse to ask for directions.

Speaker 6 (07:52):
Man enough to not man young women from reading Little.

Speaker 8 (07:55):
Women or one of those pants books that the sisters like.

Speaker 3 (07:58):
I'm man enough to raw dog a fly it sucked,
not worth it.

Speaker 8 (08:02):
I'm mad enough to be emotional in front of my.

Speaker 3 (08:04):
Wife, in front of my huge front of my horse,
front of my horse.

Speaker 1 (08:10):
I don't get this, Carburetor. Is it satire? Greg or
are they really do they mean this? I mean, come on, guys.

Speaker 2 (08:18):
The producer of this ad is a writer was a
writer for the Jimmy Kimmel Show. He is He's speaking
about this ad and talking about his work in creating it.
He said it came from his opinion after the Democrat
National Convention that men need to get a rally behind
and support Kamala Harris. And so he went out and

(08:40):
he created that. He's had a he had a script
that he admits was a little too scolding towards men
that he paired back. But every one of these tough
so called tough guys one I love so me. I mean,
I love social media because the memes of this of
this commercial are just priceless. Anyway, they got a guy,
he looks like a homeless They got big long gray

(09:01):
beard and someone said the Montana Brotherhood of Hobo pipe
bomb Makers is responsible for the contents of this advertisement.
But you got to know that the weightlift, the guy
in the gym, the guy that's wearing a cowboy hat.
But I would love I don't believe he's actually a cowboy.
All the people in that are actually paid actors. And

(09:21):
you know, the people on social media looked up their bios.
They know that these are paid actors who happened to
might not even be heterosexual men who are no that
says they you know, shows their partners and their bios
and they're not the one guy that wants to braid
his daughter's hair. He doesn't have a daughter, and he
doesn't look like he's gonna have one.

Speaker 1 (09:40):
Eight times weird ad, folks, is just another twist in
this weird campaign.

Speaker 2 (09:47):
This is where you and I had a little difference
of opinion. I think this is a campaign in meltdown.
I think that this is this. These are desperate efforts demographics,
the polls are going the wrong way after all their
best efforts, and they're starting to throw some hail mary's
or trying to do some take some chances, some risks,
and that that only comes from a campaign that's trying

(10:07):
to make up ground. I think they're in big trouble.

Speaker 1 (10:09):
We'll talk about that a little bit later on. Maybe
have to open up. We may have to a vote
on this.

Speaker 2 (10:15):
Oh Rod, I don't want to do this to you. Yeah,
I don't know who's I don't know what demonic possession
has happened to you, But you do not want the
callers to opine on us.

Speaker 1 (10:23):
We'll talk about that coming up. It is great to
be with you on this Friday afternoon. It is thank
Greg and Rod is Friday here on Utah's Talk Radio.
One oh five nine, Kay n R. And this thank
Rod and Greg. It's Friday and Utah's Talk Radio one
o five nine. Kay and R asked, great to be
with you this afternoon, continuing coverage of the election. We
are down to what a little bit more than three weeks? Greg? Right,

(10:45):
a little bit more than three weeks away?

Speaker 2 (10:46):
Yep, well, yes, it's what's what?

Speaker 1 (10:50):
Where's your countdown clock? You always you always call it
up for us.

Speaker 2 (10:53):
Well, we are twenty five twenty five days, eight hours,
thirty seven minutes and forty one seconds. Okay, thank you
if you're wondering, Yeah, roughly, yeah, all right.

Speaker 1 (11:02):
Well the battle is out, of course, and a lot
of we'll get into Barack Obama and how he scolded
black men at this event in Pittsburgh last night, But
another battle is going on for Hispanic men, Latin American men,
that's what they're trying to reach out to. And joining
us on our Newsmaker line to talk about that right
now is Jim rob. Jim is vice president of Alliances

(11:24):
at Numbers USA. Jim, thanks for joining us tonight. How
would you describe the state of the race right now
in the area that you're talking about Jim.

Speaker 5 (11:34):
Well, they're losing with Hispanic men, especially the Hispanic young men.
Might I say, say, I mean Harris, because they don't
understand this market at all. They don't understand Hispanics in
the United States, and so they're really blowing it badly.
Can I elaborate just a bit, please, sure, yes, please
do Okay. So in the year of fifty years ago,

(11:58):
nineteen seventy four, there were seven million Hispanics living in
the United States. Today we have almost seventy million. That's
a tenfold increase due to illegal but also legal immigration.
But here's what a lot of people don't understand. I
guess the Democrats really don't understand it. Forty million of

(12:21):
those were born in this country and another eight million
were born elsewhere but have gotten their US citizenship, Their
legal immigrants got their US citizenship. So we're talking forty
eight million by now, that was as of twenty twenty.
By now it's probably gotten to fifty million. We're talking

(12:42):
largely a citizen population. And these are people, especially people
born here. They're Americans. They know which side they're on.
And so here's where the Democrats are blowing it. They
think that that Hispanics the main thing they want is
more Hispanics in America, as if there's some sort of

(13:04):
racial racial identity that they feel that this is that's
their big goal. But nothing could be further from the truth.
Most Hispanic people are just like other Americans. They want
to feed their family, educate their children, have safe streets,
have good jobs. And Biden allowing and then Harris allowing

(13:29):
all these millions of people to sneak across the border
is a threat to the Hispanic Americans way of life.
And they're very hostile to illegal immigration, and polling data
shows this. And so when they're asked has America done enough?

(13:50):
Has a government done enough to stop the illegal immigration?
Hispanics say by sixty and seventy percent, No, not done enough.

Speaker 2 (13:58):
Jim the Democrats. The Democrats have a habit and we're
seeing it show its ugly face and a bunch of
different ways. Barack Obama would be another example. But what
they're saying is if you're not ready to vote for
Kamala Harrison, you suffer from some ethical or moral failing.
And what I've heard about the Hispanic vote when they
have acknowledged that there is a stronger percentage of the

(14:19):
Latino vote that would be going to President Trump. They say,
these are people that want to act like they're white.
These are I don't know if you've heard this, but
they've they've actually attached bad motives or poor motives to
why they would support Donald Trump. They're trying to act
like they're white. They want to fit in. It's for
reasons conscience.

Speaker 5 (14:39):
Yeah, they're really off on that one, because the fact
is Hispanics consider themselves white by and large, and I've
got some proof for that. So think about the southern
part of Texas, the Rio Grand Valley. Everyone knows about
Equal Pass and I've been down there and seen all

(15:00):
the people coming across the river, hundreds and hundreds. But
the people of the real Grand Valley are about ninety
to ninety five percent Hispanic. Now, in the census, when
they're asked by the Census, what is your race, and
the choices are white, Black, Hispanic, Asian, and Pacific Islander,

(15:23):
and I guess there's one more American Indian. Most of
them sixty seventy percent choose white. But the next question
in the census is but regardless of what race you are,
are you of Hispanic heritage? And ninety ninety five percent
of the people in the real Grand Valley say yes,

(15:44):
I am of Hispanic heritage. See so that they don't
see Hispanic being a Hispanic as being a racial matter.
They see it as being anesthic matter. And it's almost
not even that. It's it's really a language group, right
people and from Colombia, South America, Venezuela, Cuba, Puerto Rico, Mexico.

(16:07):
What do these places have to do with one another
except the Spanish language. I mean, there's a few more things,
but it's it's not they don't have These people don't
have the history together, unlike Black Americans, who have a
common political history having gone through slavery in this country
that bound them together, right that the Hispanic people have

(16:30):
nothing like that. They've never been oppressed officially in America.
They've always been able to vote since since the Spanish America,
or excuse me, the Mexican American War ended the treaty
that ended that war gave them citizenship the right to vote.
They've been able to own property, hold office. So they've
had a complete different experience in this country. And Poland shoes.

(16:53):
That shows that most Hispanics are happy as clams with
America A very yeah, a very hyper percentage of them
are in the armed forces. About twenty percent of the
maren Corps is Hispanics. They basically love this country like
other Americans. So when you've got Harris saying, oh, I know,
I understand you. What you want is free stuff and

(17:16):
amnesty for illegal immigrants, they're saying no.

Speaker 3 (17:20):
No, no no.

Speaker 5 (17:21):
It's the thing that's yeah, no, we don't. And here's
what's really cooking them. It's the young men are the
ones who are most turned off by this. So we
have a poet's out last week, I believe from USA
Today and Suffolk University, and it's it's of Nevada and
Arizona Hispanics. Okay, So Nevada Hispanic men age eighteen to

(17:45):
thirty four Trump fifty three percent, Harris forty percent in
that group, wow, Arizona Hispanic men eighteen to thirty four
Trump fifty one percent, Harris thirty nine percent. So they're
kind of of cooked because we think in the white population,
we think the youngest voters are the most liberal. They

(18:07):
start paying taxes later they sort of yeah, you know,
straighten up, right, But in Hispanics they're going more conservative,
especially the men. And I figure that this is a
really really bad news for Democrats. Sounds like just because
they haven't done the work. They haven't done the work,
they haven't understood the population, they haven't listened to them.

(18:28):
They're talking to them, but they're not listening.

Speaker 2 (18:29):
They've taken them largely. All for granted, for absolute granted.
You're exactly right.

Speaker 1 (18:33):
Jim, great chatting with you. Thank you very much for
joining us, and hope to have you back on the show.
Thank you, jim My pleasure. All right, that's Jim Robb's
vice president of Alliances at Numbers USA, talking about Kamala
losing the Hispanic vote. Well, those some startling numbers out
of Arizona and Nevada, especially when it comes to the
young men.

Speaker 2 (18:52):
Yeah, they are. And I had a good question that
we ran out of time.

Speaker 1 (18:55):
Well, we ran out of time.

Speaker 2 (18:56):
Banned me from asking them. I asking, I'm asked. I'm
gonna ask our listeners when we come back.

Speaker 1 (19:02):
All right, right, you're in one of the just because
it's a birthday today.

Speaker 2 (19:08):
You're just I just don't even know who you are anymore.
I just don't even know who you are.

Speaker 1 (19:11):
All right more coming up on the Rod and Greg show.
I'm broad, he's Greg, we think he's I am. Citizen
News coming up challenge you on one issue and you're attacking.

Speaker 2 (19:22):
This is a bastion of truth and logic, and you
are trying to tear that down, sir, and you won't
even tell the listeners why.

Speaker 1 (19:29):
I'm We'll get into this. I'm raising questions. We're gonna
give people. We should give people a chance to vote
on this today.

Speaker 2 (19:35):
Anyways, Yeah, let's go there your birthday. Well, I'll tell
you what. If I'm wrong on this, the only people
that would convince me I'm wrong would be the listeners.
Because what you're saying, I think you ate paint chips
for lunch today? I do you? Honestly, I asked him,
where you ate lunch today because there might be food poisoning?
Is right now?

Speaker 1 (19:54):
The place that I go to. All right, let's talk
about Kamala's bad, bad week. I mean, let's see Greg
interviews with sixty minutes that are now being challenged. She
was on the view and said some stupid things. Again,
what else was out there? She was? She did what
are you playing with? Over there? She did the she
did the call me Daddy thing. I mean, she did

(20:16):
a lot of things out there. They were hoping this
media blitz would help her. I don't know if it has.

Speaker 2 (20:22):
Oh really, I don't know. Sounds like you think it's helping.

Speaker 1 (20:25):
Fine, No, no, it doesn't help. It didn't help. Joining
us on our acre line. Man, do you see how
touch he is, folks? I have to work with us
all the time, joining us on our Newsmaker line right now.
Derek Hunter a good friend. He's a columnist at town Hall.
He's also a host of a free daily podcast. Derek,
great to have you on the show. It has been
a heck of a week for Kamala Harris. Would you

(20:47):
say that if you don't like her?

Speaker 8 (20:50):
Yeah, that was perfect.

Speaker 1 (20:54):
What do you make of the week, Derek?

Speaker 8 (20:57):
I look at her the way really people play golf
as her week is they got to tap in putt
and they go give me the wedge. I don't know
how she could have screwed it up any worse, and
going into it, it couldn't have been easier. A series
of friendly and friendly and understatement interviews people who have

(21:19):
raised money for her, people who have endorsed her. It
almost seemed to be a prerequisite to even speak with
her is that you have at least attended a fundraiser
for her, and she blew it. It wasn't like well,
they really just kind of snuck out on her with
some really mean questions or things she was under. Basically,
she was the equivalent of so, how are you doing today, Kamala.

Speaker 1 (21:40):
I was raised in the middle class family.

Speaker 8 (21:42):
I worked at McDonald's, although I can't prove that, and
there's no difference between me and Joe Biden except which
bathroom we use?

Speaker 9 (21:49):
What?

Speaker 8 (21:50):
How do you screw this up? Tim Walls went out
to Jimmy Kimmel and screwed it, like honestly together. I
thought that Kamala her biggest strength in the Biden Harris
administration was to make Joe Biden look good by comparison,
Tim Walls kind of does that for Kamala Harris, except
Kamala didn't really become Kamala until after they'd won. They

(22:16):
are showing who they are before people vote for them,
and they seem to be doing everything to make sure
people don't so I can see.

Speaker 2 (22:26):
I think I know now why they never wanted her
to speak or hold press conferences or have interviews, and
it's starting to become clear that it wasn't just a
we hate Trump, fear Trump vote for me, but her
inability to actually communicate in any kind of authentic way.
With all that said, did it surprise you, because there's
not much left to be surprised about that at town hall.

(22:48):
And a town hall, as I know being a recovering
public servant myself, is where you field questions from the
audience and you have as much as you can a
genuine conversation. It's not a speech, it's a town hall.
The care people accidentally showed the script, the teleprompter, the
vetted questions. There is not one There's not one question

(23:09):
that's coming in. Nothing that she's saying that she isn't reading,
and what she's saying her answers aren't even good. Is
it that? Did you think it was that bad? I
didn't think it was that bad.

Speaker 8 (23:19):
Because I think the answer in a sense, you have
to remember she's only won elections in California, but in
kan granted she won elections, but she won elections in California.
She is a very successful concept. To Democrats, she is
a woman of color. That's enough.

Speaker 1 (23:37):
They're like, oh, Wow.

Speaker 8 (23:38):
She can claim two ethnicities and she's female, and that's
enough for Democrats, particularly in California. But when the rest
of the country had their first chance to weigh in
on her alone in the concept, she did not make
it into the calendar year of the time when somebody
is going to cast a vote, So she had the
more people see of her, the less they like of her.

(24:01):
Remember in twenty nineteen, when she announced she raised a
ton of money, she got glowing press. It could not
have been laid out for her any better. And the
more people saw of her, the more they kind of recoiled, like,
we really want to do this, to the point that
she dropped out in December of twenty nineteen. She didn't
make it to the calendar here of a primary. So

(24:23):
it's not surprised when you have a navy veteran stand
up and ask a question about healthcare and say that
he had to go because of the inefficiencies in the
VA go to Kiawana to get an MRI, and how
are you going to fix and address health care access
in this country? And you start off with thirty seconds

(24:45):
about again, you were born in the middle class and
raised by a single mother, like Okay, but you grew
up on the mean streets of Montreal. I'm really I
don't look at being the child of two tenured professors
as really being just this side of Oliver Twist. Forgiving
me if my cynicism gets the best of me. But

(25:06):
you talk about having a nanny most people I barely
had a babysitter as a kid, and you had a nanny,
and he always a wonderful upbringing. She helped my mom
raise us. Your nanny had a small business because your
mother made a lot of money. Okay, spare me this.
You weren't wearing a potato sack and tough skins, you

(25:27):
were I remember that.

Speaker 1 (25:32):
Yeah. Is there anybody within the Democratic Party machine who
are saying to themselves, oh my gosh, what have we done?
And we've got three weeks to go of this? I mean,
is anybody within that machine recognizing how bad she's blowing it?

Speaker 8 (25:48):
Yes, but it's the same at this point. It's like
you and your friends go in. One friend is on
a hot streak playing poker, and so you all decide
to back him in a tournament, and you see that
he's shoved the chips and that he's gone all in
and you know that he's got like a three and
a jack and oh my gosh, you're pot committed. At

(26:10):
that point, you can tell that the Democratic establishment is
concerned Rod, because they're breaking out Bill Barack Obama first
of all, to come out and talk to the brothers,
to tell them why it is that they should vote
for her because they share melanin levels, which to me
means you're arguing that every white person should vote for
Donald Trump, Like, is that really an argument you want

(26:32):
to make? But also worse than that, they break out
Bill Clinton, and only an emergency do they break that
break after the meat, after the me Too movement, all right,
a bunch of them had to reluctantly and mostly for show,
but they had to denounce him and say things like
whether it was some validity probably to what one Needa

(26:52):
brought her it said. And now they have to roll
him out and pretend that twenty fifteen and sixteen didn't happen.
That's how desperate they are. If it gets any worse
for them, they're going to roll out Jimmy.

Speaker 1 (27:04):
Carter Derek Hutter joining us. He is a columnist with
The town Hall. Also he does a free daily podcast,
always very very expressive in his thoughts on this race.

Speaker 2 (27:16):
And they actually did try to roll out Jimmy Carter
on his birthday and it was a bad look.

Speaker 1 (27:23):
Yeah, all right, Moore coming up on the Roden Gregg Show.
All right, welcome back the Rod and Greg Show. On
this Friday. When we come back, following the news up
to date with Abby, will get into a debate over
the Kamala Harris campaign. Greg says, it's imploding. I'm going
wait a minute here, and we'll talk about what barn
Obama had to say. If you're a politician, Greg, did

(27:45):
you ever scold any any section or segment of your
voting block?

Speaker 5 (27:49):
Never?

Speaker 2 (27:50):
Once? I have This is not hyperbole. I have never
heard this tone or these types of comments made to
people attending a campaign rally ever. I've never heard it.
I've never heard this.

Speaker 1 (28:03):
Well, we'll let you hear what Barack Obama had to
say reaction to it, and then we'll talk about the debate.
Is her campaign imploding? Greg says, yes, we'll see that's
coming down. It's our number two of the Rod and
Greg Show here on Utah's Talk Radio one oh five nine.
Kate and rs. It is think g rod Is Friday,
as we like to say, Uh, mister Hughes about ready

(28:25):
to celebrate yet another birthday. Well, you're getting.

Speaker 2 (28:29):
Older, wiser, better looking.

Speaker 1 (28:33):
Well that's debatable, that's debatable.

Speaker 2 (28:36):
I gotta I gotta lie to myself.

Speaker 1 (28:38):
Yeah. Yeah, it's great to be with you on a
Friday afternoon heading into the weekend, big, big weekend going
on all kinds of football. You'll be down in Vegas
on Sunday seeing your your Steelers try and beat the Raiders.
The Utes in action tonight. They're down in Tempe. They're
playing tonight. When did colle should.

Speaker 2 (28:55):
Start throwing shade on our high school football?

Speaker 1 (28:57):
You know, I'm with you on that. They do it.
They been doing it now for a couple of years. Yeah,
you know, let the kids get the attention. Yeah, and
then do it on Saturday. But they're doing it. I mean,
they do it on Wednesday night, they do it on
Tuesday night, they do it on Friday night anymore. I'm
kind of with you.

Speaker 2 (29:13):
Friday Night lights has never met college football.

Speaker 1 (29:16):
That's true.

Speaker 2 (29:17):
It should be high school football.

Speaker 1 (29:18):
All right. Let's talk about the story of the day
that everybody is talking about. It is Barack Obama. And
his scolding of black men who support Kamala Harris.

Speaker 2 (29:27):
The scolder in chief Pittsburgh yesterday. We just I had
the transcript we read it to yesterday. It was late
in the show, and I had said, then, Man, I'd
love a clip from this because I imagined him behind a podium.
Oh no, he's not behind a podium. He is standing
amongst young black people that are supporters and predominantly black,
that are in this hall. And you got to hear this.

(29:49):
Hear the tone, not just the words he shares, but
the tone in which he delivers it.

Speaker 1 (29:55):
Well, you're just not feeling.

Speaker 10 (29:59):
Woman, and you're coming up on other alternis of reasons
for him about sitting out supporting.

Speaker 3 (30:10):
Somebody who.

Speaker 10 (30:16):
Has a history, because you're that's a sound, because.

Speaker 3 (30:28):
That's one.

Speaker 11 (30:31):
About that.

Speaker 1 (30:34):
That's not exciting, that's not acceptable. Now think about this,
Greg You're yeah, I assume this was done in front
of a group of young black men and women. Right.
It appears that that that's.

Speaker 2 (30:46):
The audio young it's a younger voting audience.

Speaker 1 (30:49):
So here you are, sitting there, you have the president
of the former president of the United States, who is
adored by the black community in this country, right, first
black president this country has had. And now he's scolding
you for even thinking about supporting Donald Trump. He says,
you think that makes you a man to support him.
That's not acceptable.

Speaker 2 (31:09):
And and what he is telling these these voters, and
this is where I've never heard this type, this tone,
or a message like this in a campaign rally ever,
and I've been to a bunch, been a part of
a bunch of them. It's that you have no legitimate
reason in your life to ever consider the other opponent
if you're not voting for this, this opponent, right this,

(31:30):
this candidate right here, It erases and says, by skin
color alone, you should there. There's there's no other reason.
And and the only reason you do this is to
show that you're some kind of big man. That and
he just belittles any reason someone would have for not
wanting to vote for Kamala Harris. And I'm going to
tell you the man has a home in Stony Georgetown

(31:52):
in Washington, d C. He's got one in Martha's Vineyard.
He's got one in Hawaii, he's got all over the world,
and he's got one in Chicago. This guy lives in mansion.
He's jetting around with the celebrity class and comes in
and explains to these people that they have no legitimate
reason to ever consider another candidate.

Speaker 3 (32:08):
It is.

Speaker 2 (32:09):
I just find it unbelievably disconnected, condescending and offensive.

Speaker 1 (32:14):
Well, let's get reaction here is I mean, the reaction
to this has been swift. I mean here this reaction
from Rob Smith. I think he is he a blogger
or a social media Yeah.

Speaker 2 (32:23):
He's a man of colors. Black young man has been
going around getting voter registrations and making the case for Republicans,
but particularly Donald Trump, around the country. He kind of
does it through as videos and he's has a big
following on social media.

Speaker 1 (32:38):
This was his response to what Barack Obama said.

Speaker 12 (32:41):
Sorry, Obama, I'm a black man and I'm voting for
Donald Trump for president. And there is no amount of
lecturing or bullying or shaming that you can do that
is going to make me change that decision. I am
not afraid to vote for Kamala Harris because she is
a woman. I refuse to vote for Kamala Harris because
she has spent the last four years destroying this country.
She has been the last four years throwing up the

(33:02):
borders to illegal immigrants. She has spent the last four
years destroying this economy. We have seen over the past
couple of months that she is not that to be president.
She can barely speak, she can't articulate a vision, and actually.

Speaker 1 (33:15):
She's pretty stupid. That's Bodina's straight. Here's more reaction. This
is former Democratic States under Nina Turner of Ohio, a
big supporter of Kamala Harris and Barack Obama. But this
is what she said in reaction to it on CNN
last night.

Speaker 6 (33:32):
Why are black men being lectured?

Speaker 8 (33:34):
Two?

Speaker 13 (33:35):
Why are black men being belittled in ways that no
other voting group. Now, a lot of love for former
President Obama, but for him to.

Speaker 6 (33:44):
Single out black men is wrong. And some of the black.

Speaker 13 (33:47):
Men that I have talked to have their reasons why
they want to vote a different way.

Speaker 6 (33:53):
As a politician, we should be trying to get.

Speaker 13 (33:55):
All voters to vote, and hopefully there are a few
good men out there.

Speaker 6 (33:58):
Who do care about the strict in a way.

Speaker 13 (34:00):
Of some of women's bodily autonomy. But this is wrong
for President Obama. It is a wrong course for the
Harris Waltz campaign to lay at the feet of black
men when they have their reasons.

Speaker 1 (34:12):
Yeah, and here's Scott Jenny and Scott Jennings, of course
conservative commentator on CNN. This is what he had to say.

Speaker 7 (34:18):
Now.

Speaker 14 (34:18):
I think their problem isn't attacking Trump. Their problem is
finding reasons to give people to support Kamala Harris. The
stop he made in this plea he's making the African
American men, I mean he said today, he insulted them.
I mean he first of all admits that they're not
enthusiastic about her. He said, you just aren't feeling the
idea of having a woman as president, and you're coming
up with other alternatives and reasons for that. And I

(34:40):
think one thing we've seen about Democrats over the years
is that when they can't convince you to do something,
they begin to insult you. Obama specifically, when he was
having trouble with rural voters in Pennsylvania, go back all
the way into his campaigns, he insulted them about their
culture and values. I don't think it's helpful to insult
a group of people who are already not enthusiastic but
at your campaign.

Speaker 2 (35:00):
But I think that's what he did today.

Speaker 1 (35:01):
Yeah, he insulted people, greg there's no doubt about it.
And you know, his hatred and the Democrats hatred of
Donald Trump takes them to places that they say, Now,
remember remember it was his wife who said, when they
go low, we go high. And he talked during the
speech last night they're in Pittsburgh. He kind of he

(35:23):
didn't come right out and say it, but he basically
went after Donald Trump for wearing diapers.

Speaker 2 (35:28):
Yeah, and they look, and here's the thing in our
earlier guests that we had talking about the Latino vote.
They're doing this. They will shame you, they will try
to intimidate you into voting. This is why you have
an under pold Trump. This is why people don't openly
say they and that they're going to support Trump, because
they've tried to attach such an unbelievable stigma of the

(35:48):
voter's moral, failing, ethical failure to even think of such
a thing. And you hear Obama saying it there heard
You've heard people when they said the Latino vote is
Trump's enjoying a larger percentage of the Latina vote then
any Republican candidate in thirty years or more, maybe since Eisenhower.
And they say that it's it's because the Latinos hate
women and they and they want to pretend they're white.

(36:09):
I mean, so they have to denigrate anyone that's going
to vote for him. And I'm going to tell you,
I hate to say it, but this doesn't go away
when's Trump wins or loses in this election. The next
Republican candidate will receive all of this video, all of
these categories, and you will still have a narrative in
the media if they're around that says, if you're not
with us, then there isn't another side of the coin.

(36:31):
There's not another opinion. You've just you're unethical, you're immoral,
there's something wrong with you. And that is that is
the narrative that they are continually pushing upon. And now
I believe people have had enough of this narrative and
they're starting to have a belly full of it, and
you're seeing the pushback, and I think they have created
much of the popularity or the support that Trump's getting

(36:53):
is really driven by this type of behavior that you're
hearing right now.

Speaker 1 (36:57):
Well, I think, but this's been going on for quite
some time. Greg and Democratic Party and Scott Jennings mentioned
was a two thousand and eight, or the two tenty
twelve election where Barack Obama in Pennsylvania went after gun toting,
Bible thumping voters.

Speaker 2 (37:11):
Yeah, you're rumping all your guns and you and.

Speaker 1 (37:14):
Then you have Hillary calling supporters of Donald Trump deplorable.
I mean, this has been going on. I think Scott
made a very very good point. When you don't agree
with the Democrats, they are going to attack you. And
that's exactly what he did last night, attacking black men
who just want to think for themselves, maybe for ones
in their life, and attacking them who are thinking about

(37:38):
maybe not voting for Kamala Harris but voting for Donald Trump,
and attacking them because they don't want a woman to
be president of the United States. I mean, these are
the attacks that are unbelievable.

Speaker 2 (37:51):
The conversations that are happening now is their support in
their vote has always been assumed. As soon as the
election comes, get in line, here's sheet music starts singing,
and then their lives they do they they've they have
enjoyed the Democrats have enjoyed like a ninety plus percent
voting block from Black Americans. Well, nothing happens in their lives.

(38:12):
These these there are war zones in these large cities,
so they're starting to ask the question out loud, what
in the world are we doing? Well, what Barack Obama's
telling him is shut up, and we told you to
vote for Harris. Why why are would you why would
you ever think otherwise? Shut up, get back and do
as you're told.

Speaker 1 (38:27):
Yeah, yeah, exactly.

Speaker 2 (38:28):
It's so bad, all right, it's so offensive.

Speaker 9 (38:30):
All right.

Speaker 1 (38:31):
We'll get your reaction to all of this coming up
on The Rod and Greg Show eight eight eight five
seven oh eight zero one zero, or on your cell phone,
I'll pound two fifty and say, hey, Rod, your calls,
your commings coming up on the Rodden Greg.

Speaker 2 (38:43):
Show Friday afternoon. Here on the Rodd and Greg Show
on Talk Radio one oh five nine can rs. I'm
citizen Hughes and and we think that's Rod Arquette.

Speaker 6 (38:53):
I'm not.

Speaker 1 (38:53):
Yeah, so sure, well we'll find out here in a minute.
Birthday boy, just remember you know, mister Hughes seller Brady
at birthday this weekend.

Speaker 2 (39:02):
And gentlemen, the jury you can just keep trying to
age shame me at the moment, but I'm going to
tell you right now, I'm gonna I'm gonna ark you
out to our audience.

Speaker 1 (39:13):
All right, let's go to the phones.

Speaker 2 (39:14):
Let's I got to lay out the case.

Speaker 1 (39:16):
Well, we can't go to the audience first.

Speaker 2 (39:17):
Don't you want to have our opinions?

Speaker 1 (39:20):
Then we'll go. Let's go to Ron and Collinston tonight.
How are you welcome to the Rod and Great Show?

Speaker 15 (39:29):
Hi?

Speaker 9 (39:29):
Rod and Greg love your show. Listen to it every
afternoon on the way home from work.

Speaker 1 (39:33):
Thank you, brother, Thank you man.

Speaker 9 (39:37):
I wanted to comment on the Obama say. Now, I'm
wondering if was if he said this, or if this
was an interpretation or something, but U something about that
the black males, uh did not want a woman as president,
you know, did not want to vote for a one
as president.

Speaker 5 (39:55):
But I think that if that was the way it
was related, I.

Speaker 9 (39:57):
Think that's a misunderstanding. I think I think truly what
they what they mean is that these black men, males, whatever,
young men don't want this woman as president.

Speaker 2 (40:10):
You're here, you're look, that's exactly right. How did we
get to a place where if you don't want her,
you are just a You're just a misogynist.

Speaker 3 (40:19):
You hate women.

Speaker 2 (40:20):
That is the only thing You're about how about the
fact that we might, they might they we all of
us might not like this particular candidate and she's a woman.

Speaker 1 (40:28):
Yeah, that's the issue. I think is there wrong?

Speaker 9 (40:31):
There will be a There will be a woman president
someday at some point, maybe fairly soon. I don't think
it's going to be in a few weeks, but I
think the majority of a lot of the voters don't
want this woman as president.

Speaker 1 (40:45):
Yeah, I'm with you on that run. And I go
back to Hillary. We didn't want Hillary to be president.
We don't Kamala is not a likable person from what
we understand, and we don't want her to be president.

Speaker 2 (40:57):
When isn't it just an easy cop out to say, well,
it's not me, it's you. Okay, I'm I'm actually the
right candidate. You're just the one that's not smart enough,
or you're just too unethical, or you're too much of
a BigHit or a misogynist to actually vote for.

Speaker 1 (41:09):
All right, all right, let's talk about this debate that
you and I have had going on, because I you know,
there I could read you a long list of headlines
with reporters and columnists saying the Harris campaign is in trouble.
That's what they're saying. Yes, I don't think they're imploding.

(41:29):
I'm doing what they think a campaign has to do
to win an election. Yeah, you, on the other hand,
think it's done.

Speaker 2 (41:36):
So folks, right before the show started, he dropped this
bomb on me that he doesn't think that she's in trouble,
and he doesn't think and he thinks that she has
a very strong likelihood of winning uh this election. Now,
he might be right, okay, but what I'm going to
tell you right now.

Speaker 1 (41:50):
Is that a qualifier.

Speaker 2 (41:52):
Well, look, no one ever.

Speaker 1 (41:55):
Knows for sure. I'll let you finish your but this is.

Speaker 2 (41:57):
This is my case that I'm going to make to you,
and then we'd love to hear from the callers. I
would eight eight five seven zero eight zero one zero.
Of the three elections that we've uniquely had this man,
Donald J. Trump as a candidate sixteen, twenty and twenty four,
we know for fact that in sixteen and twenty he

(42:17):
what they called under polled, meaning that every poll that
was coming in there were more supporters that were voting
for him than we're willing to say in any poll
or any kind of survey. Where are they and how
they intended to vote. We also know in twenty twenty
that he probably received fifteen million more votes than he
did in twenty sixteen. It was a record number. Now,

(42:38):
somehow Biden also received eighty one million votes. But here's
my argument for your consideration. I don't I think seventy
four million people that voted for Donald Trump in twenty
twenty are coming back to vote in twenty twenty four.
I don't think that they think things are easier. I
don't think they've become apathetic. I don't think they've decided
that Harris, it turns out, will be so much better

(42:59):
than Trump. I think I think you can bank the
seventy four million that voted for him in these in
these respective states, in the swing states. That's that's already there.
I think then you can add, as we've had our
guests point out, a Latino vote that's stronger now than before,
a Black vote is stronger now than before, and a
young vote that's stronger now than before. And then as

(43:19):
a party, we've traded the Cheneyese for Elon Musk, we
traded Jeff Flake for RFK Junior, and we've and we
traded Mitt and his midway of endorsing the hap Harris
for Tulci Gabber, I am telling you that if a
campaign is a game of addition, I think things are trending,
and we're seeing it in the betting markets everything else.

(43:40):
I trust the betting markets more than the polling. But
we're seeing that trend up. There's never been in sixteen
or twenty a time where Trump has been ahead. He
is ahead. You know there's a shy Trump vote out there,
which means that there's a stronger percentage out there. And
then you see the conduct of this campaign, scolding voters
out there, trying to attract the mail vote in ways

(44:02):
that are so disconnected. And when I say the campaign,
it's true. It's not Kamala Harris's campaign by itself, but
it is those that support like super PACs and people
that support it. But they don't even They've been trying
to a race gender for so long, they don't even
know the gender they're trying to appeal to. And these
commercials are actually having the opposite effect because they're so offensive.
I think you're seeing desperation out of this campaign. I

(44:23):
don't think she's stronger when she's talking, and they know
that too, but they have to have her talk because
she's not winning. So I think if you look at
everything that's out there, the tea leaves are pointing to
a successful and trending upward campaign from from Trump, especially
after the Butler race or rally last week, and you're
seeing a Kamala Harris campaign that is keeping there. They're

(44:46):
a billion dollar media buy. It's not moving the needle
everything that they're trying to do. I think people are
either not persuaded or they're they're actually dissuaded from voting
for that's my case.

Speaker 1 (44:57):
I think I think he's gonna win this race. Well,
arguing that he's going to win the race. I just
don't think her campaign is imploding the way you think
it is. I think it is hope on your part
that is imploding.

Speaker 2 (45:08):
Do you see success out of that campaign?

Speaker 1 (45:10):
I let me finish my comment. Let me finish my comment. Okay.
I think you're hoping it implodes now, But I think
in many cases they're doing the things that campaigns have
to do to win.

Speaker 2 (45:22):
We are having a word problem here. Yeah, yeah, folks,
you got to sort this out because but yeah, mean
to let me We've got to get to a break.
I've got to come back with a few points that
I want to make. Then we'll take your phone calls.
The question is going to be do you agree or
disagree with Greg or me? He says her campaign's imploding.
I disagree.

Speaker 1 (45:42):
He says Donald Trump will get seventy four million votes,
maybe more in more selection. Absolutely, I don't think he will.
So I want to get your We want to get
your thoughts. This is our Friday face off where you
get a chance to decide who the winner is. Eight
eight eight five seven eight zero one zero, or on
your cell phone, dial pound two fifty and say hey,
ro Greg and I are having a Friday face off.

(46:04):
He contends that there several indications are that the campaign
for Kamala Harris is imploding and that Donald Trump will
get more than seventy four million votes come November fifth,
which is a little bit more than three weeks away.
I contend it is not imploding. I contend she is
doing the things that she has to do to win
an election. She sees weakness in various areas, and she's

(46:26):
going to address those weaknesses. I also don't think that
Donald Trump will get seventy four million now I'm hoping
he wins and I think you'll have enough.

Speaker 2 (46:34):
What is your rationale behind him not getting seventy four million?

Speaker 1 (46:36):
Twenty twenty was a weird year. That's why. I mean
Joe Biden getting eighty one million votes.

Speaker 2 (46:43):
To put it in context, the highest amount that anyone
had ever received in five.

Speaker 1 (46:49):
Obama. So all of a sudden, in four years, it
got a power boost like that. I'm not sure, but
we want to hear from you tonight. Do you agree
with Greg? Do you see the Harris campaign imploding and
Donald Trump getting more than seventy four million votes? Or
do you agree with me? Eight eight eight five seven
oh eight zero one zero is a Friday face off.
Let's go to Doug in provo tonight here on the

(47:11):
rod In Greg Show. Doug, thank you very much for waiting.
What are your thoughts on this? Doug?

Speaker 16 (47:15):
Hey, Well, I have to agree with you, but not for.

Speaker 5 (47:19):
The reasons that you're thinking.

Speaker 16 (47:21):
Okay, I just know that they've got they've got those
ballots already filled out.

Speaker 5 (47:26):
You know of all my dead relatives Democrat.

Speaker 2 (47:30):
Now you know, like Doug, I give you that, I do.
I do think there's a thumb on the scale and
these big metropolitan areas. I agree with that. I do.
I do worry about that.

Speaker 5 (47:41):
Well.

Speaker 16 (47:41):
And the thing is is that until we can, you know,
ratify a system where each of the states have a
legitimate vote, there's no way that you know that you're
going to have an ho stelection.

Speaker 1 (47:55):
Yeah, yeah, all right, all right, Doug. Now, Now let
me say, Greg, you've been saying for quite some time,
and I don't know what's changed in you, but you
said for quite some time, why aren't they panicking? Remember you, Yes,
you said that, why aren't they panicking? And I don't
think they're panicking yet. And maybe they've got something up

(48:15):
their sleeves, maybe what Doug brought up. Maybe maybe the scale,
they've got the thumb on the scales at various voting
locations around the country, and maybe there's some voting irregularities
that are about to take place. Again.

Speaker 2 (48:27):
I will give you that in that here's some breaking
news today that the Department of Justice is suing Virginia
because what I was, what I'm going to say is
that these these after twenty twenty, you saw these voter
rolls cleaned up significantly. You saw the dead people that
are voting. You saw that those names are getting taken
off of the balance. Chain of custody is not where
we need it to be, but it is certainly more

(48:48):
transparent and better today than it was in twenty twenty
when we saw this happen. That that lends to me
to an advantage for Trump to have legitimate votes being counted.
But today the Department of Justice is suing Virginia for
removing non citizens from the voter rolls ahead of this
November election. That is a way to try and game

(49:08):
it and to leave those non citizens on the roles
because that Virginia is seen as a state that could
be very close. That to me, I think can have
as I think much of Kamala Harris's campaign has had
the reverse effect or the opposite effect making upsetting people
when they when they indict Trump, he gets more popular
because people don't want to see the federal government attack

(49:29):
a political opponent like this. So I think there's an
there's an opposite effect there. But what I will say
is my sign that they that that they are hemorrhaging
or they are losing where they didn't expect to lose
is when you read that the Democrat National Committee for
the first time ever, is putting out ads against third
party candidates, in this case.

Speaker 1 (49:50):
Jill Stein in Wisconsin.

Speaker 2 (49:51):
This has never happened. They have never done it ify
and Michigan was the state that I would tell you
I would have guaranteed that Kamala Harris is going to
win Michigan. There's no way Trump has a chance in Michigan.
And if you see the Democrat National Committee taking their
dollars and spending it to attack Jill Stein in Michigan,
that is not a good day, all right for the

(50:12):
Harris campaign.

Speaker 1 (50:13):
We go to Kevin in Leighton tonight here on the
Roden Greg Show. Kevin, thanks for joining us tonight. I
want to say you on this debate.

Speaker 11 (50:21):
I agree with Greg.

Speaker 9 (50:22):
I think that the Harrison campaign is imploding.

Speaker 17 (50:24):
And a good example of that is the CNN interview
that Harris just did. And I mean, we don't know
what exactly was said during the full thing, but it
was like forty five minutes and like twenty minutes was
about Arizona and how that was a stolen election, and
then it was like ten minutes about whilst and then

(50:47):
it was very little about Harris. So you're, yeah, they're
changing up their strategy. So that to me, when they
change up their strategy here in the last few weeks,
that says we are in houses on fire mode.

Speaker 1 (51:00):
All right, Mike Kevin, there's somebody agrees with you.

Speaker 2 (51:03):
Yeah, Well, you know what, Well, I don't have the
luxury of opinions. I I just know it's a heavy,
heavy as the crown. I'm watching this, I'm watching what
they're doing. And you know, three look, two months ago
they would have They were saying, folks, when they were
leading in the polls by you know, a percent or whatever,
we got to get it bigger than that, because a

(51:25):
three point lead when we get to election day in
sixteen and twenty meant we were within less than a
percentage point. We got to get past that. They're not
even ahead now. And and so I don't know how I.

Speaker 1 (51:35):
Know neither is Donald Trump. Yes, he is a head
where he's ahead, he's ahead and one or two points margin.
It's a dead even race. Greg.

Speaker 2 (51:46):
But they were saying that they had to be ahead
by more than two points or three to overcome them.
Under they were Yes, they were saying to themselves, folks,
we don't have this one. We have to be more
than three points ahead or else we don't have a
win here because he under polls. I'm saying anything within
the margin of error is playing in the now from

(52:07):
you can't get complacent. But that's it, all right.

Speaker 1 (52:09):
More coming up on the Rod and Greg Show and
Utah's Talk Radio one five nine k n rs.

Speaker 2 (52:14):
It's the Rodden Greg Show, and you're listening to talk
radio one oh five nine kN rs uh everywhere on
the iHeartRadio app. And we are reaching out to you,
the callers, the listeners eight eight eight five seven zero
eight zero one zero with a question. Is the Kamala
Harris campaign doing well? Are they moving right along or

(52:37):
are they failing to persuade voters that they should be elected?
And I my position is that they are failing and
that you can see it in their in their attempts
and what they're what they're trying to attempt. And Rod
thinks that they are the greatest campaign planet Earth. He
loves them and they totally all in.

Speaker 1 (52:57):
They are doing what they need to do to win
an election. Wow. Here on the rod Ar kitchen, Hi, Steve,
how are.

Speaker 15 (53:04):
You pretty good? I've got something a little off that mark.
It's kind of driving me crazy in this whole election
thing is when they talk about swing states, why are
they including Nevada as a swing state? I mean, Nevada
has six electoral votes. Well, we've got six electoral votes,

(53:26):
Idaho's got six electoral votes. In Wyoming has at least
three or four, and you know, Utah, Idaho, and Wyoming's
going for Trump and that's gonna wipe out Nevada. So
what's the big deal with everybody's saying Nevada is this
way important state?

Speaker 2 (53:42):
Yeah, you know it's I'll tell you why, and thank
you for the calling. It's a good question because really,
of all the states that we're talking about, and so
let's start with Nevada with only six electoral votes. You
go to Wisconsin they have ten electoral votes, Michigan has uh,
Michigan has fifteen, Pennsylvania nineteen. Yeah, Georgia has sixteen. So

(54:02):
it is a single digit in terms of electoral votes.
But why it's a swing state? I think any state
without regard to unless it was super tiny the electoral
electoral votes, it would be one that it's fifty to
fifty in terms of they could vote as easily for
the Democrats statewide as they could the Republican statewide. And
that's what gives them the definition of being a swing.

Speaker 1 (54:21):
Swing state because we don't know if it will go
Republican or Democrat. And all those states you listed, every
one of those states, we don't know which way they're
going to go, and all the other states we have
a pretty darn good idea.

Speaker 2 (54:32):
Yeah, and Georgia didn't become a swing state, and it
wasn't because of the size or how many electoral votes.
It became a swing state because Biden won it for
the first time and how long it twenty twenty and
that by definition made it become a swing state.

Speaker 1 (54:45):
In Arizona become a swing state. Same thing, but Arizona
would be a conservative red state.

Speaker 2 (54:50):
It was until recently, and then you saw the you
saw McCain's Senate seat go to the Democrat, and then
you saw the gubernatorial race the Democrat.

Speaker 1 (55:00):
That's true, all right, when we come back Joe Biden's
revenge is it taking place subtly on Kamala Harris that's
coming up next. You're on the Rod and Greg Show.
Stay with us. Well, look, I almost said the roder
kenhow but it's the rotting Greg Show. Now after that
last half, are I'm just cutting you off?

Speaker 2 (55:18):
You know that doesn't surprise me. Yeah, the paint, how
did those paint chips taste?

Speaker 1 (55:23):
I didn't have anything?

Speaker 2 (55:24):
And do they have as much lead in them now
as they used to in the seventies.

Speaker 1 (55:28):
You know, if you're saying, I boy, talk about hyperbole,
saying I'm saying she's running a grant campaign, I did
not say she's running a great campaign. If I said
she's and a campaign that she has to run.

Speaker 2 (55:39):
I'm gonna put in this in terms. You should understand
Arquette because you had a boy that played for the U.
You know, he's a coke machine with arms and legs.
You know, sports, if your offense has to remove the ball,
if they have to move the ball down the field
and get first downs and touchdowns and they're not doing it,
is that offense succeeding? Are they doing what they have
to do? The answer is no, that is what's happening.

Speaker 1 (56:00):
I do want to raise one question that I didn't
bring up last hour, and then we'll get to our
next guest. Donald Trump is ahead on so many issues. Yes,
the economy, yes, immigration, foreign policy, you name it right.

Speaker 2 (56:13):
I rest my case.

Speaker 1 (56:14):
Why isn't he cleaning your clock? He is not, according
to the polls.

Speaker 2 (56:18):
When you're ahead, or you're in the margin of era,
when you had been, when you've been significantly behind in
sixteen and twenty, and he underpolls you are ahead.

Speaker 1 (56:26):
Okay, I'm that question because I think he should be
way ahead, and I wish he were way ahead, but
I'm not seeing that yet.

Speaker 2 (56:34):
Question.

Speaker 1 (56:35):
That's why I think her campaign is not imploding.

Speaker 2 (56:37):
Yes or no? Does he underpole? Is he going to
underpoll this year? Yes or no?

Speaker 1 (56:43):
It depends on the point.

Speaker 2 (56:44):
Oh she hop out. I was a yes or no
and you gave it to You should be the recovering politician,
not me. Yes or no? And then if it's yes,
then how many points would you like to see him
behind our ahead?

Speaker 1 (56:56):
I'd like to see him up by five.

Speaker 2 (56:59):
As with an under pole, so he's gonna win by eight.
I want to see him up by five, so any
under pole, so that would be an eight percent under poles.

Speaker 1 (57:06):
By three percent, two to three. How did you know
that history sixteen and twenty. Should we go on to
our next guests argument?

Speaker 2 (57:14):
Well, I tied because we only got two callers actually
wide in so I didn't even win this.

Speaker 1 (57:18):
Well, that's good, I kemp on making your case. All right,
let's talk about Joe Biden h in this campaign now,
Joe Biden.

Speaker 2 (57:27):
Your bff, huh, your bff, your best friend?

Speaker 1 (57:29):
Yea, my best friend forever. Joe Biden. I don't know
if he's come out wholeheartedly in support of Kamala Harris.
How would you how would you characterize it, mister Hughes.

Speaker 2 (57:39):
Oh, the campaigns run him fine, he's just doing great things.
You just you're just you're doing what they need to do, says.

Speaker 1 (57:45):
Or Is there a little revenge in there? Joining us
on our news fank Line to talk about right now
from the Blaze, our good friend Christopher Bedford. Christopher, thanks
for joining us tonight. Are there subtle waves that you're
starting to see that Joe Biden is maybe getting just
a little revenge on one Kamala Harris?

Speaker 2 (58:01):
Yeah?

Speaker 11 (58:02):
I think that there are. There's it's a fairly open
secret that he and Jill Biden in particular feel that
they were shunt to decide, feel that they were the
people who weren't chosen by Barack Obama in at first
in twenty sixteen, weren't chosen by him in twenty twenty,
but managed to beat Donald Trump and could have done

(58:24):
it again. So that they're pushed aside unfairly by that
same by the same person and replaced with his right
hand woman, who he is always suspicious of, who he
always kept at arms arms lights ever since on the
campaign trails. She was out there during the primaries called
him a racist, so we knew that he was angry
about it, but it was always wondering what what's he

(58:44):
going to do about that. He's going to be a
team player? Is his main mission right now? Just cementing
his legacy as an elder statesman or what is it?
And it's starting to become more and more obvious that
he is not interested in playing ball with Kamala Harris's
campaign and in fact is actively undermining it.

Speaker 4 (59:01):
Now.

Speaker 11 (59:01):
There's been a couple of different incidents here and there,
but it really started to peek up during the last
round of hurricanes when Kamala Harris is holding a rally
in Michigan, for example, last Friday, where she saw cons
union workers who she's really struggling with, the Teamsters internal
poland showed them two to one for Donald Trump, and

(59:22):
then you have Joe Biden come out and hold an
emergency presser about the hurricanes. Now, that sounds like a
normal thing for a president to do, except when it
steps on his running mate, pulls CNN off of covering
his running mate, and especially when he's the president, he
doesn't really hold many press conferences at all. And during
that time, he's backing up Rondo Santis. He's saying that

(59:43):
Kamala Harris is wrong in her partisan attacks. He's calling
it my administration and not our administration. And then in
the week since, he's continued down that and you've seen
her getting trying to hug him as closely as possible
as he continues to go after her.

Speaker 2 (59:59):
So I love this. I actually subscribe. I think that
you're you're watching this completely accurately. Here's the next component
to this that I think makes your case. When she
has asked directly, what would you do differently than this
than the current than President Biden has done in this administration.
This is a softball that's meant to really show her
more of the challenger, that she doesn't own everything that's

(01:00:21):
happened in the last four years. She has been asked
this question, and asked and asked again in Walls. Was
just recently asked this question on Good Morning America. They
all say nothing, We would do it exactly the same.
And my belief is the reason why they cannot do
it is that he would he would react in a
way that would make it harder for them. It is

(01:00:41):
bizarre to be the candidate of change. It is bizarre
to be the candidate that's going to do it differently.
And every time you're asked what would you have done
differently than President Biden? You say nothing? Does that What
would be the reason? If not she's afraid that he'll
get harder and go after her more. If that's not
the reason, and she's answering that she would mirror everything

(01:01:02):
that Biden has done in the last four.

Speaker 11 (01:01:03):
Years, anything else, any other answer would just be political malpractice.
You're right, because they've had weeks and months to workshop
and answer that. I mean, you've got a multiple choice question.
They of course, on immigration, for example, maybe she could
have said she would have done that differently. Some of
the spending bills, maybe she could have said I would
have done that differently. There's a million different options she

(01:01:25):
could pick even if even try to just focus on style,
but she always seems to be caught like a deer
in the headlights, and that question comes up, and I
think that one of the reasons is exactly right. Joe
Biden is watching and he is angry about the whole thing.

Speaker 17 (01:01:40):
I mean, you.

Speaker 11 (01:01:41):
Saw her throughout her interviews last week. She started off
kind of trying to do her own thing. It is
awkward as hard to listen to some of them. And
then as Joe Biden again when she had her view appearance,
held a second press conference over her press conference over
her appearance. After that, by the time she was on
the Code Show that night, she was basically hugging the

(01:02:02):
old guy, saying he's the greatest president. He's a leader
like George Washington. And I think she's just trying to
dig out of that, dig out of that hole she's in.
And then Joe Biden finally lets her on a campaign presser,
a hurricane presser, but she's got it's really awkward to
be one of the floating heads on an important meeting
when you've got no role. So she's not in charge

(01:02:24):
of response, she's got no day to day activities. She's
got no responsibilities regarding a response, so she just interrupts
people and blurk's, well, a leader should be raising people up. Okay,
that's that's fine. I guess that this calls about getting
people water and making sure that they're not dying. She's

(01:02:46):
so out of her element.

Speaker 1 (01:02:48):
Yeah, Christopher, I want to go back to twenty sixteen
and again in twenty twenty, because you mentioned that at
the beginning. How big of a burr under the saddle
is the fact that Obama didn't endorse him in twenty
six and went with Hillary instead, and the fact that
they feel, both him and Jill feel they don't get
enough credit for taking down Donald Trump in twenty twenty.

(01:03:08):
How big of a bur under the saddle is that
one for him?

Speaker 11 (01:03:12):
I think it's so massive that it's taken over before party,
and it's so personal to have spent eight years working
for a guy who never really showed you that much
respect until the very end, when Barack Obama was basically
forcibly retiring Joe, he hadn't backed him in the primaries,
Hillary Clinton got the nomination, and then he gave him
a Lifetime Achievement Award and Congressional Medal of Honor, and

(01:03:36):
which is essentially the Lifetime Achievement award. Is when you
get a bunch of those you know your career, your
friends are worried that you may not have that much
time left. And he gets all this and then they
expect him to be gone. And I actually think that's
one of the reasons that he went into so much
business and it was so reckless in the business with
Hunter and the Biden family in general, is because they

(01:03:56):
weren't going to run for higher office again. Hillary Clinton
was going to be president for eight years, but all
that took a turn, and once again they didn't back
Joe when he came back and said he's I think
Barack Obama's been quoted as saying to never underestimate his
capacity to screw things up, but it was a little
more colorful than that. And even then, you have Barack

(01:04:18):
Obama living in Coloramo, which is the neighborhood of Washington,
d C. It's extremely uncommon for a president to stay
in Washington. There's a million reasons to leave it. And
I can tell you and he's still there. He's keeping
constant contact with the White House. He's still moving behind
the scenes and then he runs this coup against Joe Biden.
I don't think Kamala Harris was his first choice to

(01:04:39):
the place. She was no one's first choice to replace,
and they don't like her very much either, But they
kind of oversee a party now where the sitting president
and the nominee are both not very close with the
people who actually run the place, the Obamas.

Speaker 1 (01:04:55):
Christopher Bedford, he's with the Blades talking about Joe Biden's revenge,
and he just in these little subtle digs uncomon.

Speaker 2 (01:05:03):
Maybe I don't know if you want to disagree with
me on Face Off Friday. It's turned out to be.
But the premise I asked him, is that maybe the
reason why she keeps It's the easiest question in the
world to ask, or is there anything you would have
done differently? It is so easy to say yes, given
how much how unfavorable everyone feels about the way things
are now. So she should be immediately able to say, yes,

(01:05:25):
there's things I would have been able to do different
The fact she doesn't is it because he has said,
you rip on me once, I'm coming at you. I'm
mad already that you've kicked me off this ticket if
you say one bad word, I'm going to come right
after you. And so she's stuck, I think. And he
seemed to, you know, our guest Christopher, he seemed to

(01:05:45):
think there is some merid in that.

Speaker 1 (01:05:46):
Well, let me add one thing too.

Speaker 2 (01:05:47):
I don't know if you agree, because you know, well,
I'd far be it for me to assume.

Speaker 1 (01:05:50):
How long will it be if she loses on November fifth,
that Joe Biden comes out and says I told you so, well.

Speaker 2 (01:05:56):
He'd have actually every right to. I actually look at
him right now and think he'd be wronger with union workers,
he'd be I mean, I just I don't know that
theynt got a better candidate by changing.

Speaker 1 (01:06:06):
Maybe not. We've explored this issue on several occasions now.
The appeal to members of the Church of Jesus Christ
of Latter day Saints to either vote for Donald Trump
or Kamala Harris real interesting stories because the races in
Arizona and Nevada could be so close. I saw a number.
I think it's about four hundred and fifty thousand members
of the LDS Faith in Arizona and about two fifty

(01:06:29):
in Nevada. So they could be very important voters.

Speaker 2 (01:06:32):
Absolutely, yeah, And I think it's why I think this Sunday,
October thirteenth very special day. If folks, if you went
to LDS four the number four, so LDS four Trump
dot Com, there's going to be a live zoom on
Sunday night at six pm Pacific time, nine pm Eastern time,
and it's Latter Day Saints for Trump Virtual Fireside Special

(01:06:54):
guest President Donald J. Trump. Also Glenn Beck, Senator Mike Lee,
congress from from Mary Arizona. Andy Biggs, Congressman from Utah.

Speaker 1 (01:07:03):
We talked to Burges yesterday.

Speaker 2 (01:07:04):
And and Sheriff Mark Lamb I think he's from Arizona, Arizona.
Other guests also there'll be the Senate President Warren Peterson
of the Arizona States State Senate. And Raoul Labrador, who
is the Attorney General of Idaho. Really used to be
a member of Congress. I've gotten to know him. He
is a study.

Speaker 1 (01:07:24):
I like him whole really. So if people want to
be participating in on Sunday, where do they go?

Speaker 2 (01:07:29):
They go to LDS four the number four, the number four,
so LDS four Trump dot com. All right, all right,
that's where you register. And I'm that's a star studied
lineup right there.

Speaker 1 (01:07:41):
Yeah, check it out. They should check that out, all right.
More coming up here on the rod Arcut Show and
with mister Hughes today Birthday Boy, Birthday Boy on Sunday.
Let's talk about the ports. You know, one of the
issues in the long shoreman strike that didn't last very
long was they're afraid of automation. But we are still
behind greg the rest of the world. Something's got to

(01:08:02):
be done.

Speaker 2 (01:08:03):
Yes, it is. I mean we can't. I mean horse
and buggies couldn't be held artificially on and you couldn't
do there's a lot of things that modernization cannot be
your enemy in our ports in the United States, we
are lagging behind the rest of the world.

Speaker 1 (01:08:16):
Yeah, well, let's find out more. Joining us on our
newsmaker line right now is Eric Bain. He is a
reporter at readson dot com. Eric, thanks for joining us.
How bad are we when it comes to automating our
reports and what needs to be done?

Speaker 7 (01:08:27):
Yeah, well, first of all, thanks for having me round.

Speaker 11 (01:08:28):
Always good to talk with you guys.

Speaker 7 (01:08:31):
I think the main reason is, honestly, just to keep
up with the rest of the world. We've fallen loefully
behind the sort of normal ways that ports operate around
the rest of the world. Look, this is not the
sexiest issue. It's not something that most of your listeners
probably spend a lot of time thinking about, but it
is something that does impact probably everybody who's listening to us.

(01:08:52):
Anybody whoever orders basically any product online or does any
sort of business, engages in any kind of commerce in
America these days, is in some way intersecting with goods
that are coming into this country, uh as part of
the supply chain through our ports. And when the ports
are less efficient, that means that means it takes longer
to get stuff here, and that of course adds costs

(01:09:14):
and adds other consequences into the supply chain. So we
can talk a bit more about the numbers, but American
ports have fallen way behind because of some of the
protectionism that the that the unions frankly have asked for
and have received for many years. And it's I think
it's really important that we that we get this resolved
now rather than letting get drag on a little further.

Speaker 2 (01:09:36):
You know, we spent a little time here in the
state of Utah. I'm a former lawmaker on Utah creating
an inland port with the idea of taking that efficiency
in the in the logistics of getting these containers in
and out imports, exports, and and finding some of those
efficiencies you mentioned, and it was it was mentioned, and
it was not a mist on us in Utah that

(01:09:56):
the autumn is automation of a port that you could
start without legacy contracts and labor contracts could provide an advantage.
My question is this there I've seen I've seen some
of these ports overseas that you've talked about that the
automated vehicles, or the way that you have kids that
look I call them kids, but there it almost looks
like a video game. They're working the cranes from a

(01:10:18):
room and it's it may as well be a video
game to me the way I want I'm watching this
done versus on a crane itself. Here's the part that
I just I just shake my head at one of them.
I'm told that one of the negotiating positions for the
union or the Long Shortman was that they only wanted
one touch for the for these containers, meaning they want

(01:10:40):
everything unloaded in one spot where it can be most
bottlenecked where it can have to use more trucks and more, uh,
just more to get it off of that port, versus
getting some of those containers off here, going up up
and maybe hitting another port where you could take containers.
They are actually shutting down the efficiency of just how

(01:11:00):
to unload these container ships. To talk about that, how
is that something? Is that a position they're going to
be able to hold as they've pushed a lot of
these negotiations to January where it all has to be
touched by them and only them, and there isn't any
efficiencies that can be found by how you get these
containers off and running around the country. Is that is
that a position they're going to be able to successfully

(01:11:22):
hold to?

Speaker 7 (01:11:23):
Yeah, I mean, quite frankly, it makes me wonder why
they're not trying to ban trucks in general, right or crazy?
We'd have a lot more union workers if you had
to carry everything off of ship by hand, right, wouldn't you? That?
You know, I'm being somewhat facetious, but I think that
illustrates the point here. To answer your question, I mean,
I'm actually going to try to avoid answering your question
because I don't know what's going to happen with these negotiations.

(01:11:45):
What I can say is that, I mean, I think
you laid it out pretty well right there. There's obviously
a long track record with this union in the long
Shoreman's Union on the East Coast and in the Gulf Coast,
and there's actually a different union on the West Coast,
but very similar issues with both of them. They've they've
fought against automation for many years and they're going to continue.

Speaker 11 (01:12:04):
To do that obviously.

Speaker 7 (01:12:05):
I mean, look, I think that's what this strike was
really about. They made a bunch of noise about wanting
pay raises to when you kind of dig into the
numbers here, you see that many of these workers are
already phenomenally well compensated, and the and the ports we're
willing to negotiate on that. We're willing to give huge
raises fifty percent raises in some cases to end the strike.

(01:12:26):
So really, what this comes down to is this question
of automation. And I guess the one other point I'd
make there is that you know, it's it's not a
binary choice here either between automated or non automated ports.
To your point, there's kind of a there's kind of
a scale there, right, there's there's you can automate some functions,
other things will require more people. I mean, like any
heavy industry, there's going to be a mix of things.

(01:12:47):
But the union's position on this has been pretty consistently
no additional automation full stop. So you know, it's we're
not talking about laying off all the long shortman tomorrow
and automating the or it's entirely that's not going to happen, obviously,
but certainly in integrating more automation would make the ports

(01:13:07):
more efficient, and those efficiencies they rebound through the rest
of the economy.

Speaker 1 (01:13:12):
Jason final question, how long would it take? I mean
how much money and how long would it take to
move in the direction of automating some of these critical
ports there in the US.

Speaker 7 (01:13:22):
I mean it's a long process. Obviously. It's also not
something you do overnight. I saw it suggested, I think
on Twitter that the ports should just give the union
all the money they want to just go away. Basically,
we'll pay you to retire, get out of the way,
and let us negotiate. I think that's you know, I

(01:13:42):
think I mean something along those lines. That's probably the
right place to go here. This is the point is
that it would take a while, and it will take
a while because we've fallen so far behind. I mean,
as I noted in my piece at Reason, there are
automated cranes in use in places in Europe since the
nineteen ninety, thirty years ago. That feels like it was yesterday,

(01:14:02):
but it was thirty years ago. Some of these places
have had these automated cranes in place that we still
don't use in most of the biggest ports here in
the United States. So we've fallen decades behind the rest
of the world. And that's you know, it's it's obviously
good news for the longshoreman because it gives them the
ability to control that bottleneck, which is very valuable. But
you know, if you talk to the truckers, or you

(01:14:23):
talk to anybody down the stream of the ports, they
will tell you about the problems that this has created
for them, and those problems translated into higher costs for
everybody else.

Speaker 2 (01:14:33):
Super quick question, I can't resist. So is this an
argument against globalization and importing anything? And let's just get
it all built here because we just can't be held
hostage by these guys.

Speaker 11 (01:14:42):
You will never know.

Speaker 7 (01:14:43):
You will never hear me say that.

Speaker 5 (01:14:45):
I don't think it is at all.

Speaker 7 (01:14:46):
I think this is an argument for more efficient globalization.
Let's let's remove those barriers as much as possible, and let's,
you know, let's have more free trade with the rest
of the world.

Speaker 1 (01:14:56):
You're into free trade, you're also into fair trade. Yeah,
we should be.

Speaker 2 (01:15:00):
We had to test Eric on that. I knew, I
knew how effect. But we want fair trade. We want
to be able to we don't need tariffs on our
stuff that we're trying to export out. And that's what
we can do if we can lower those barriers.

Speaker 1 (01:15:10):
All right, More coming up Rod and Gregg on Utah's
Talk Radio one o five nine k NRS. Final half
hour of the Rod and Greg Show with you on
this Friday in Utah's Talk Radio one oh five nine.
Can Ter s, it was just last week, a week
ago today, as a matter of fact, when we learned
of a state representative who was taking books that had
been restricted from school libraries and putting them in so
called I guess neighborhood free libraries, your friendly libraries, friendly

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library These are books that you do not want your
children to see and it caused an uproarn. We had
a chance on earlier this week to talk with somebody
about that.

Speaker 2 (01:15:43):
Yes, I so again. Democrat Salt Lake City House member
was making these band these books that have been banned
for their profane or pornographic nature in many districts. She
was making those available to students through this friendly library
system of volunteering to drop off books here. This is
a listen back Friday, So we spoke with that. Carolyn Fippen,

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executive director of the Freedom Front of Utah, used to
be a staffer in the House when I was speaker,
also was a staffer for Senator Mike Lee and a
recent candidate for the United States Senate. Carolyn Fippen joining
us on the program to talk about this issue, and we.

Speaker 1 (01:16:19):
Asked her, do you give us her take on what happened?

Speaker 18 (01:16:22):
Yeah, you know, one of the things that I'm finding
is that too many people are not aware of what's
actually in these books, and people who are arguing that
these books should be kept in our libraries like to
say that we are banning books in the state of Utah.
And in fact, today I came across a meme on
social media that said I support banned books, and then

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it listed things like To Kill a Mockingbird, Harry Potter,
of Mice and Men. And those of us who have
been paying close attention to this issue know that the
books that are being not banned, but that are being
removed from school libraries, public school libraries, by the way,
paid for by our tax dollars, are books that contain,

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in many cases, actual pornographic material that is illegal to
distribute to minors in the state of Utah.

Speaker 1 (01:17:17):
Carolyn, I mean, I've seen some of the illustrations in
these books, and you're right, they're pretty disgusting as pornography,
if you want my opinion. But how do you respond
to people who are constantly saying they're banning books, they're
banning books, they're banning books. What's the best way to
respond to that in your opinion.

Speaker 18 (01:17:32):
Carolyn, Yeah, I think that you know, some of us
who like you, wouldn't necessarily be picking up these books
and reading them on our own, need to actually expose
ourselves to them and explain to people who don't understand
what it is that's in them. I'll tell you I

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had a discussion. I had a nationally published piece on
this very issue about a year ago, and had a
discussion right after that with a former elected official from
the state of Utah who should have known better. And
in this discussion he said to me, we were talking
about this I bet that I've written and he said,
I'm just so glad this isn't happening here in Utah.

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And you know, I explained to him it is. I said,
these books that we're discussing are wildly inappropriate for children.
And his response to me, this was right after the
Davis School District had pulled that funny little thing to
try to get they got the Bible libraries right, and
that was all just a political gain to mock this law.

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And so you know, I explained that these were inappropriate.
I didn't get into details at that point in the conversation.
And his response. This is a Republican former elected official.
His response to me was, well, you know, the Bible
has some racy scenes in it too. This is a
leftist talking point. This is somebody who was in office

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in a position of authority at the time that some
of this stuff was going on, and he had been
lied to about what was in our schools. So I
told him, I said, you know what I'm really sorry
to be in a position where I have to describe
to you, but it's obvious that you are completely unaware
of what's in these books. And I outlined for him

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some of the pictures that I've seen, and I got
very graphic about what was in some of these books.
And all he could do was continue to deny that
they were in our schools, because no way could he
acknowledge if that's what was in these books, they couldn't
be in our schools. Then he should have known better
when he was in office. All I'm saying is, but

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I will also say that that is not the norm.
When I describe this these things to people who don't believe,
you know, they think it's just a bunch of right
wingers who are overreacting. And when I explained to them
specifically what I have seen, I get people on board
every single time, except for that one when it was
a law performer.

Speaker 2 (01:20:03):
The difference is, Harry Potter is not pornography. This is pornography.
So I'm going to tell you it's porno. You have
a state lawmaker who went online and wants to distribute
pornos to kids through this uh donating books. What is
there a legal recourse? I mean that sounds like that
should be a law that has just been broken. You
can't give pornos to kids. Is there something legal that

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can happen here?

Speaker 18 (01:20:27):
Well, yeah, if you can find somebody who will actually
press charges and take action. My understanding is that there
are a number of members of the public who have
reported this to law enforcement. I'm hoping that there is
action because I don't know if you remember, but a
few months ago we had a reporter in the state,

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Brian Shott, who used to write for the Salt Lake Tribune,
and he did this very thing. I think it was
on Twitter on x where he offered to supply these
books to children in the state. And our law, I
will read from the law that to distribute, or offer
to distribute, or exhibit or even offer to exhibit our

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lasses any pornographic materials to others is breaking the law.
They are guilty of the distribution of pornographic material and
you cannot There are different penalties when you're over eighteen
that are much harsher than when you're under. But the
fact is this is a pretty significant offense, and I
hope that our police and prosecutors follow up on the

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you know, the claims that are being made against this person.
The fact is she put out a video. So it's
not like you have to try really hard guilt in
this situation because even the offer to distribute. And think
about this, these are those free libraries that are in neighborhoods, right,
kids will go there without their parents. There's no you know,

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no checking of ID, there's nothing. These are just books
that are being put out there for children. We are
at a point where we can no longer trust adults
around us to not distribute pornography to our children. I mean,
that used to be the creepy guy in the park.
You could tell because right because he.

Speaker 2 (01:22:17):
Had a yeah, is a creeper. By the way, I
don't think Brian Shot lasted much longer in that gig
at the Tribune after he pulled that stunt. I think
he was the seriousness of this. He was that he
was terminated soon after.

Speaker 1 (01:22:33):
Carolyn, I want to ask you one yeah, I want
to ask you one other question, Carolyn, how do we
what is it going to take to get parents to
pull their head out of the sand and really understand
what these books contained. Because I'm like you, I think
There are a lot of parents out there who go
what and they're shocked by what they see. What is
it going to take to get parents to wake up?

Speaker 17 (01:22:55):
You know what?

Speaker 18 (01:22:56):
I actually think we need to change the life. Currently,
you cannot even show these books or read from these
books at a legislative hearing or at a school board meeting.
It is so considered harmful to expose adults without their
permission to this. But this is being exposed to our

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children without their parents' knowledge and permission. So I think
we need to allow these to be exposed in public meetings,
and I think that would start to shift things because
nobody's willing.

Speaker 5 (01:23:28):
To put it out.

Speaker 18 (01:23:29):
I'll tell you I did a video on my social
media about a year ago that got massive traction when
I just showed the cover of one of these books,
and I was tempted to open it up and show
some of what was inside of it. But I have
to tell you, even I like I don't want to
expose people to that without their like, without a warning

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that it's going to be something inappropriate. Again, this is
happening to our children. We need to be able to
get the message out there because those who want expose
our children to these type. This type of material are
benefiting by the fact that it's too offensive to show
to adults.

Speaker 1 (01:24:07):
As part of our Listen Back Friday segment, our conversation
earlier this week with Carolyn Fippen talking about restricting certain
kinds of books in public schools. More coming up on
the Rod Our Camp Show along with Greg Hughes here
on Utah It's Talk Radio one oh five nine kN
R st minutes of the half minute of the Roddy
Greg Show here on Talk Radio one oh five nine Cannas.

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Happy birthday too, Thank you. On Sunday, you'll be down
there cheering for your Steelers down in Vegas. Be safe.

Speaker 2 (01:24:34):
That's all. That's all I want for my birthday is
a crushing victory of the Raiders.

Speaker 1 (01:24:39):
Make sure you get back.

Speaker 2 (01:24:41):
We'll be back.

Speaker 1 (01:24:41):
Yeah, we'll be back on Monday.

Speaker 2 (01:24:43):
I get back Sunday. I'm not gonna watch a game
and I'm heading back home.

Speaker 9 (01:24:46):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (01:24:46):
I'm not staying long.

Speaker 1 (01:24:47):
Wow.

Speaker 4 (01:24:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:24:49):
I hope you don't get stuck in that canyon there
in the Virgin River. That's off.

Speaker 2 (01:24:52):
Yeah, that happens, all right, that does Look for us tonight,
head off, shoulders back.

Speaker 1 (01:24:57):
Hey, God, bless you and your family and they it's
a great country of ours. Have a good weekend everybody,
and happy birthday mister.

Speaker 2 (01:25:03):
Hugh, Thank you, Rod, thank you folks. To see you
next week.