Rod and Greg Show - Listen Back Friday/Ut SSC ruling on Ballot Initiatives; Why Kamala Stays Quiet; Poll on Dwntwn Ent District Tax

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Rod R Quette, Greg H. Hughes, Greg H. Well, where
did that come from? Well, Rod r R Greg H.

Speaker 2 (00:08):
It's actually Rod J.

Speaker 1 (00:09):
You're Rod Cat, You're Rod R. Kett On, Greg H Hughes.
You see it, You see how that works. I who's say,
a lawmaker suggested you do that? Yes, Representative listen, it
was a brilliant idea great lawmaker, a thinker, Rod a
rock grib conservative thinker, said Rod Rqutt Greg H.

Speaker 2 (00:28):
Hughes years ago on the first New Year's Day. As
a matter of fact, I was going to one of
these unbelievable men sales that they have at the beginning
of the year at a very large department store. I
ran into him. You had like twelve white shirts.

Speaker 1 (00:42):
Yeah, you got a gear up for that as a
marathon that session. Yeah, you're there all day, all night.

Speaker 2 (00:48):
Well how are you? Everybody? And I tell you what,
this political season, which is already as goofy as goofy,
can be turned another goofy notch today. When in your
life did you ever think a Kennedy would be endorsing
a Republican candidate.

Speaker 1 (01:03):
And I would not use the word goofy. I would
say that these are surreal times, and I think the
times are so dire that you are going to see
moments that we better take inventory of. Because I think
this moment from RFK Junior's don't blow this off, don't
think this is weird. I've already seen a clip from
CNN where the Democrats and everybody wants to downplay, they

(01:24):
want to rip on it. I think he's genuinely afraid
for this country, and I think it's a team of
rivals moment. He's ready to rally.

Speaker 2 (01:32):
Yeah. Well, I thought he made a great speech today,
and he'll be hooking up with Trump here in a
few hours at a rally. As a matter of fact,
if it occurs during the show, we'll try and grab
a little bit of that for you as you had today.
But if you didn't hear his speech today, I mean, greg,
he went first of all, how the Democratic Party has changed.
It is not the party of his father or his uncle.

(01:54):
And I've said this before, My father was a lifelong Democrat.
He wouldn't know what this party is about today. Under
still wouldn't recognize it. They wouldn't recognize it. So we
went through that. He went through the corruption that is
taking place between the Democratic National Committee and the legacy media,
and how they have worked together to really disrupt democracy

(02:14):
that they so much defend. He brought up, you know,
here's Kamala Harris. She didn't get one vote, yet how
is she the nominee for the White House right now?
The Democratic nominee?

Speaker 1 (02:23):
Particularly when when you consider that he started as a
registered Democrat looking to have a primary with the with
the president, knowing that he was diminished in his faculties,
knowing they needed a candidate that could carry the banner.
He had a very different He wasn't part of the crony,
you know, the big government, big corporation. Uh, you know
cabal we see going on right now. They did everything

(02:45):
they could to change the rules in real time to
keep him out. Then when he went as an independent,
they went and hired these these these uh DNC money
guys to get him off the ballot in all these
different states for the you know, for the people that
love democracy. Boy, they don't want anyone having a vote
of conscience if it's not their person, if it's not
their candidate.

Speaker 2 (03:05):
Well, what I love Greg was a comparison between what
has happened with Joe Biden and Kamala Harris to Vladimir Putin.
Remember during the election of Putin, what was it several
weeks ago? Here are the Democrats saying, well, it got
eighty eight percent of the vote, but it was all
you know, controls everything. Hmm. Let's see, Kamala Harris is
the Democratic presidential candidate for the White House. Now she

(03:28):
didn't get a single vote.

Speaker 1 (03:30):
We get the difference, and he points out, he points out,
she didn't get a single vote. If Putin controls the media,
and you're criticizing that, Uh, what are you doing here.
You've never asked her a question, You've never had anything
for her, you've never given her any you've never covered
her in a fair and honest way. A quote from
him and his speech today, It says the DNC and
its media organs engineered a surge of popularity for Vice

(03:55):
President Harris based upon nothing, no policies, no interviews, no debates,
only smoking mirrors and balloons in a highly produced Chicago circus.
Is that powerful or what?

Speaker 2 (04:08):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (04:08):
And one hundred percent true. We've been talking about this
all week.

Speaker 2 (04:10):
Yeah, we sure have. Well, let's listening. We put together
a few of the comments he made during his news
conference today. As we mentioned, he made that announcement in Phoenix.
Donald Trump is in Arizona today, goal holding a rally
here in a few hours, and he's going to have
a surprise guest. He's not lying to us the way
the Democrats did during the convention that they're going to
have a surprise guest with Kamala yesterday. Likely it will

(04:33):
be Robert F. Kennedy joining him at this rally. But
here's what Kennedy had to say in announcing that he
is suspending his campaign.

Speaker 3 (04:40):
This is a first class calamity for our country. Judging
by herbellic hosts belligerent speech last night in Chicago, we
can assume that President Harris will be an enthusiastic advocate
for this and other neo cottan military event. My name

(05:01):
will remain on the ballot in most states. If you
live in a blue state, you can vote for me
without harming or helping President Trump or or Vice President Harris.
In red state is the same will apply. I encourage
you to vote for me. President Trump says that he
will reopen negotiations with President Putin and end the war

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overnight as soon as he becomes president. This alone would
justify my support for his campaign in the name of
saving democracy. The Democratic Party set itself to dismantling it
lacking confidence in its candidate, that its candidate could win

(05:45):
in a fair election at the voting booth, that d
NC wage continual legal warfare against both President Trump and myself.
In an honor system, I believe that I would have
won the election, and a system my father and my
uncle's thrived in.

Speaker 2 (06:07):
You know, that's a few comments from RFK Junior, And
I think the telling statement was at the end when
the Democratic Party greg thought that Joe Biden couldn't win,
they rigged the nominating process to make sure their choice
of Kamala Harris would be the presidential candidate. And that's
exactly what's happened.

Speaker 1 (06:24):
To the extent that they even did the nominating on
zoom prior to the convention even taking place. I got
a twenty second clip. Can we try it? This is
kind of new technology here.

Speaker 2 (06:34):
I got to make sure this is working here. Let
me make sure I've got it up all right? Try it?

Speaker 1 (06:38):
Okay, let's see if we hear this is This is
an RFK Junior in his press conference announcing he's suspending
his campaign supporting President Trump, but really talking about what
the Democrat Party is today.

Speaker 3 (06:50):
As you know, I left that party in October because
it had departed so dramatically on the core values that
I grew up with. It'll become the party of war, censorship, corruption,
big pharmam, big tech, big I, and big money.

Speaker 2 (07:12):
The party of war.

Speaker 1 (07:14):
War, censorship, corruption, big pharma, big tech, big money.

Speaker 2 (07:18):
Wow, well, well you're spot on. I mean I listened
to that speech. I know you were listening to it
as well on your way in today, because you don't
really don't get until about ten minutes before the show starts.

Speaker 1 (07:27):
That's fake news, folks, ladies and gentlemen. Brought ourquete with
fake news on a Friday.

Speaker 2 (07:31):
But you know, I remember remember when Biden backed out
and everybody out there, the Democrats were saying, boy, what
a what a what a statesman? He is quitting the
race for the good of the country. I bet they
aren't saying that about RFK Junior today today. Why are
they so touched by this? Because I listened to that speech.
This was not easy for him to do. I mean,

(07:51):
he is leaving. I mean, the Kennedys are a political dynasty.
In this country, and they've always been associated with the
Democratic Party. And you were telling me already. Members of
his own family of coming are coming out today and
condemning him for his announcement today, Greg.

Speaker 1 (08:06):
His siblings have put out and this is how lowball
these people are. I mean, honestly, this this, I mean,
this is their brother. He's making a he's doing something
that he knows is already going to be difficult, but
they want to put it out there in a public statement.
This is all of his brothers and his sisters. There's
what one, two, three, four or five of them. I'm
not going to give you the whole I'm not going
to give you the whole uh, the whole quote. But

(08:28):
he's just hear this. Our brother Bobby's decision to endorse
Trump today is a betrayal of our of the values
that our father and our family hold most dear. It
is a sad, sad ending to a sad story really,
because I'll tell you what when you listen to him
talk about even the health of I mean looking at
at how our food supply and and what's the chemicals

(08:50):
that are put in that, and what it has done
to people and even children and how he has spoken
about this with President Trump, and these are things they're
going to attack that the health of children in our country, Americans, wellness,
health and wellness. These are big issues. He's got a
lot of knowledge in this area. It's look. I spoke
with someone who would typically vote for Trump, a soccer

(09:12):
mom of sorts. She was supporting RFK j and even
sent a contribution. And I called her today and I said,
how do you feel about this? And she was very
happy that he was endorsing Trump. And I said, what
would make you not vote for Trump but really vote
for RFK Junior if you had the chance, And she said, covid.
Covid opened my eyes, opened my eyes to big pharma,

(09:35):
to being forced by big corporations and government to behave
a certain way, and also the endless wars. She said,
were things that he was drilling down on and being
very specific about. And I think his voice in this
race where the Democrats have just been able to demonize
Trump anything he said, They just made it a clown show.
They want you to ignore what he says. When you
have a thoughtful person like RFK Jr. Talking about the

(09:59):
same things. It's now they're going to have to try
and demonize everyone that just doesn't sing off the same
sheet music they have, which makes it makes them even
look more foolish.

Speaker 2 (10:09):
Well, we have a whole lot more to say about
what happened with RFK Junior today, Donald Trump's reaction to it,
what Kamala had to say last night, A lot to
get to today on this Friday afternoon edition of The
Rodden Gregg Show right here on Utah's Talk Radio one
O five nine K and R as it's expected that
RFK Junior may show up. Now, the question is, now
that the DNC is over, will Kamala show up? I

(10:33):
mean it's on a hard hitting interview anytime soon.

Speaker 1 (10:36):
Well, I think our next guest has a theory say
about that.

Speaker 4 (10:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (10:41):
Sure.

Speaker 2 (10:41):
Paul Gradfrey is joining us. Paul is an American political
philosopher and intellectual historian and also writes for The Blade.
He's talking about this, Paul, How are you welcome to
the Rod and Gregg Show.

Speaker 5 (10:53):
I am doing fine?

Speaker 2 (10:54):
All right.

Speaker 5 (10:55):
Paul mentioned that I'm.

Speaker 6 (10:56):
Editor of Chronicles magazine, which is one of the oldest
conservative magazines.

Speaker 5 (11:01):
In the country.

Speaker 1 (11:01):
Well, nice, I didn't know that, But all right, are
such a big deal I actually I just saw the
Blaze part the Chronicles magazine.

Speaker 7 (11:07):
That's excellent, right, But I do right.

Speaker 5 (11:10):
I'm a weekly columnist for the Blaze.

Speaker 2 (11:12):
All right, Paul, Is she ever going to sit down
and answer some tough questions?

Speaker 6 (11:17):
No, not if she unless she's she's really forced to.
Her poll numbers, you know, drop or plummet disastrously. There
is no reason for her to do that. A few
times when she's revealed her economic plans, she has you know,
almost self destructed. You know, the discussion about how she's

(11:38):
in the control grocery bills because grocers who are earning
hardly any grocery store owning earning hardly anything in one
and two percent right now nationally, are supposedly gouging their customers.
There has nothing to do with the inflation or with
the the limiting of of of energy drilling, which has

(12:00):
been caused by the Biden Harris administration.

Speaker 8 (12:04):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (12:05):
Her comments about you.

Speaker 6 (12:07):
Know, building houses, We're going to build all these houses
basically turns the building trade into a subsidiary of the
public administration because she's gonna uh. Harris also wants to
determine the prices they can produce these houses and finally
the comment about, uh, you know, taxing unrealized capital is insane.

(12:32):
I mean, people will be committing felon is all the
time because they're holding unrealized capitals and which they're not
paying taxes. And other countries in which the which did
this has been tried the results were disastrous.

Speaker 1 (12:44):
You know, Paul, I was. I listened to Robert F.
Kennedy Junior's speech today where he announced to the suspens campaign,
and I joked that I think he read your column
prior to preparing his, uh, his his remarks today. One
of the things that he said that I thought was,
this is really what you're saying too. He says the
DNC and its media organs engineer at a surge of

(13:05):
popularity for Vice President Harris based upon nothing, no policies,
no interviews, no debates, only smoke and mirrors and balloons
in a highly produced Chicago circus. He went on to say,
who needs a policy when you have Trump to hate? Okay,
So I guess my question ahead, Yes, So I guess

(13:26):
my question is it's well, it'll have to take a
precipitous fall in the polls for her to risk having
an opinion or trying to articulate one in front of
the public. Is that is that how you see it?

Speaker 5 (13:40):
Exactly the way I see it.

Speaker 6 (13:41):
I mean, you know, most of the economic policies or
hingest economic policy she's revealed had been disastrous. And anytime
she opens her mouth and is unscripted, but what comes
out as a word salad, she seems to be. You know,
Joe Biden had to become senile before we sounded so incoherent.

(14:02):
So I mean, as long as as long as she's
not she remains carefully scripted, reads matella prompter, and avoids
bringing up delicate issues. I think her campaign advisors have
decided she can survive and possibly win because she has
been doing well in recent weeks. I mean, she sort
of closed the gap with Trump, at least according to

(14:26):
most of the more widely read polls, although I would
push the hounch of a gap she's been closing. But
you know, she certainly has caused no harm to herself
by doing this. The question is can she go on,
you know, avoiding interviews and presenting formulations of her of
her policies and indicating how they differ from policies that

(14:49):
she espoused in twenty nineteen and or policies carried out
by the Biden administration. I think she's as long as
she can go on doing this, she's going to survive.
But you know, once uh, once she's required to be
be more specific, and once she has to become unscripted,
I think all hell may break loose.

Speaker 2 (15:12):
Paul, You've kind of alluded to this already, But what
do you think? What is she really afraid of?

Speaker 6 (15:18):
What she what she's what she's really afraid of is
losing and uh, I think she's afraid of an interview
because she's not very articulate, right, She's never been very articulate,
and nor is there any indication she's very bright. I
mean she she rose as a political figure by being
the mistress of Louie Brown in California, you know, accelerated

(15:43):
her rise, you know, to power as funny as attorney general.
There's no indication that that that she's uh, can think
on her feet or can put works together very well. So,
you know, I think she understands her own vulnerability and
therefore does not want to expose herself to to an interview.

Speaker 1 (16:02):
So she came off there. I saw a clip today
that she a reporter said, how are you going to
pay for this economic plan that you're putting together? And
she went into supply side Honestly, Paul, she went into
supply side economics. She says, boy, when you invest in people,
when they keep the money in their pockets and they spend,
they spend it, it comes back. It's an investment. It's

(16:24):
exactly what you're saying that Democrats don't want to hear
supply side economics because then you'd have to point to
these Trump tax cuts and go, well, there you go.
Your government's not taking the aren't picking their pockets. So
to that point, how does she do a debate if
she never has a moment where she's really involved in
retail politics and there's stories that she'll even clear out

(16:44):
a diner and put props in there so she doesn't
have to have even spontaneous discussion with anyone. If she
never has this moment and then she gets in this debate,
will she falter in that debate? Do you think?

Speaker 7 (16:56):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (16:56):
I know, I think she will falter in that debate,
no matter how minute the media try to spin you know,
what was said, And I mean, this is only so
far they can go. You know, and making her appear
to be intelligent, which most definitely is not. So I
think she's just going to go on avoiding debates as
much as she can, you know, and she and her

(17:18):
handlers will simply try to run the clock out.

Speaker 2 (17:21):
Yeah, that's why I think they're doing Paul. I think
they're doing that exactly. Paul is always great chatting with you.
We appreciate a few minutes of your time and enjoy
the weekend. Thank you, Paul. There's a lot, all right.
That's Paul Gottfried, a contributor to The Blaze. Also well,
he said he's got a long list of achievements, that guy.

Speaker 1 (17:38):
So you and I have a disagreement here, not not
a severe disagreement, but we were seeing this landscape a
little differently. You think that we can they can keep it,
you know, bread and circuses, they can keep it, balloons
on all of this, and that the appetite for specificity
by the general public, the voters in America will not
be that great. I sense that if she just keeps

(17:59):
avoiding at all, that there is it. There's almost It's
just you can be Biden and it can be COVID
and you can get away with it. But I don't know,
especially with RFK now because he's such a cerebral guy.
When you have real issues that are being discussed, I
do think it's going to start to look obvious to
the American people that there's nothing there. So we're not

(18:19):
seeing that the same. You might be right. I hope
you're not, but it might be.

Speaker 2 (18:22):
When we come back care for we get news update,
we'll kind of argue back and forth, and then we'll
turn it over to the listeners to see what they say.
Because my sense is our judges injury. I think a
lot of listeners in this country they don't care about policy.
They look at the personality.

Speaker 1 (18:38):
Even if it's kitchen table.

Speaker 2 (18:40):
Yeah, I don't. I don't think it matters. Yeah, well,
well I look forward to it to it and all right,
well we'll get into that and hear from what you
have to say. All coming up right here on the
running Greg Joe on Utah's Talk Radio one O five
to nine knrs. She has not stated her policy. I mean,
she introduced her economic plan a couple of days ago, shortly,
and it included, you know, this unrealized gains tax, which

(19:03):
is absolutely ridiculous. My point is in all of this,
Greg is, I don't think those people who were gathered
at that convention last night and Democrats around the country
who do not number one issue is beating Donald Trump.
Would you agree? I don't think they care about what

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kind of policy Kamala Harris offers. They know where she stands,
they know she's a California progressive, they know she's a progressive.
They under you know, they don't question what she'll do
when she's in the White House because they they're holding
her to a very tight So all this debate over policy, well,
she needs to sit down and talk about it. She
needs to explain her policy that Democrats in this country

(19:45):
don't care because they've got somebody who, first of all,
can walk into gum, which Joe Biden could not do,
and can articulate the progressive values that they want to
hear in platitudes. They don't need specifics, Greg And that's
my argument this whole debate over well, she's got to
do an interview or she's got to do an issue policy.
I don't think there are many Americans who don't care.

Speaker 1 (20:06):
Biden got eighty one million votes. There are not eighty
one million Democrats out there, So you got to go
get someone that's not a Democrat to vote for you
to win, because I one hundred percent agree with what
you just said. And in fact, the Democrats, because they
are just drones. You could have put a muppet up
on that stage last night and given the same speech
that Kamala Harris gave and it would not have mattered

(20:26):
because it was not unique to her in any way.
Even her biography has changed depending on the audience she's
in front of. She grew up in Canada, she grew
up in the Bay with where she was kind of,
you know, like a like an urban chick. And then
she's a suburbia with the firefighters and the carpenters and
the I mean, none of that matters. And then when

(20:48):
you get into any of the issues, they're just it is,
it's just platitudes. It was a bunch of It was
just a munch. And this is how you know that
the Democrats will take any anything just to beat Trump.
They're chanting USA and you know they hated it. You know,
those Democrats are just suffering having a chant ussay. They
usually say death too and then say USA. They're not
used to chanting USA. But they're trying to get those,

(21:11):
as they so condescendingly have described those non college educated,
white male voters. We have to get them, so we
have to use their language, and so none of it's real.
So I agree with you Rod that they are all
in and there's not a thing she has to say
going forward that they need to hear. However, there are

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independence in this in this country, there are people that
are going to vote that would not identify as a Democrat.
And when you have kitchen table issues and I'm talking
I'm not talking the luxury issues in the in the
culture war issues that they want to talk about. I'm
talking about the cost of gasoline, the cost of groceries,
the cost of your rent or of your mortgage, all
of it. Those things. If she doesn't want to explain

(21:54):
that to the American people, and you do have a
candidate that will, I think it's going to hurt her.

Speaker 2 (22:00):
I think I think the Democratic Party opera apparatus behind
Kamala Harris, which includes the media, which is going to
they are going to run out the clock as long
as they possibly can. And here here just let me
run down some numbers. Barack Obama announced his campaign in
February of two thousand and seven. His speech accepting the

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Democratic nomination was August of two thousand and eight. In
between nineteen long months of campaigning, he gave speeches, he
gave interviews, and he debated, Okay, Donald Trump. He announced
his campaign on June sixteenth of twenty fifteen. His nomination
happened on July of twenty sixteen. In between those thirteen months,
what did he do? He campaigned, He debated, He had dialogue,

(22:45):
right Joe Biden, same thing, sixteen long months of campaigning.
Now you come to Kamala Harris, who's had what maybe
she'll have one hundred days Greg, I mean she's into
this what by about thirty five days? We got seventy
days to go, roughly one hundred days of campaigning. I
don't think they consider it an important for them for
her to explain her policy decisions. She's going to have

(23:07):
to if the reporters are good or who's ever going
to moderate this debate? I wouldn't count on that coming up,
what is it, September tenth, but that may be the
only time she'll need to explain your policy.

Speaker 1 (23:17):
And you know, I'm not even putting my hopes on
ABC News, you know, getting making her answer tough questions
or anything like that. I just think that the poll
numbers will begin to reflect a disinterest or a lack
of enthusiasm if she can't put any kind of specificity
to these promises she made last night. I mean, she
wants to fix everything, and Trump is evil. If you

(23:39):
want to just say everything you need, and the way
she frames it's always government's going to do it. It's
never anybody. Government's going to fix everything for you, and
Trump is evil. If that is all she's ever going
to say, I do think that she's going to see
a negative reaction in the pulse, ill you Okay?

Speaker 2 (23:58):
My response to that is this, in the sense, how
many voters in your opinion, on either side of the
aisle actually read the party platform? Very few, very few?
So why did they even do it?

Speaker 1 (24:10):
Well, I actually believe in that party platform. I think
you need to have it. I think there are a
lot of people and delegates that work on that and
I think it is an important document. And the way
they did it this year in the Republican Party, it's
actually just numbered. It's pretty good. But you're right, they don't.
But you cannot That's one thing to really delve into
a party's platform. It's another to know you can't. You
got more needs and you have money to pay for them.

(24:33):
There are just some issues out there that you are
being reminded every day are a problem. And so those
are the issues. If you didn't have those kitchen table issues,
if you didn't have inflation up as high as it is,
if you didn't have groceries so hard to purchase because
of their cost prohibitive, you didn't have all these problems.
I could see what you're saying. If times were really,
really good, then you could probably make it a political pageantry.

(24:56):
I don't think she's going to get away with this
if she does not with independent voters, if she doesn't
start explaining herself.

Speaker 2 (25:01):
Here's what I always say, Ignore the politician, pay attention
to the policies. Right in her case, ignore the policies,
pay attention to the candidates because it's all glitz. It's oh,
there's joy, she's so great, Come on great. I mean,
Hollywood and the democratic media in this country is creating
this joyful warrior who is bringing new energy and great

(25:23):
ideas to the nation to save the nation and to
move it forward. We do not want to go backward
with Donald Trump. That's what they'll think about it.

Speaker 1 (25:32):
Look, and you'll get a lot of people that that
dislike Trump enough. They'll take high inflation, they'll take an
unsecure border, they'll take a military that's that's not strong.
They'll take kids getting sexualized and chemically castrated because they
just can't stand Trump. There are people that will make
that decision. But I don't think times are good enough
for her to get away with the would just be hiding. Yeah,

(25:56):
I mean, look as the monkey virus come over, they're
calling it now, the monkey thing comes out, maybe they
get to hide in basements again, and then she has
an excuse. But you know, he Biden had COVID, he
could at least excuse himself from and hide in his basement.
But she's younger, she doesn't get that shot. I think
she's gonna have to do better.

Speaker 2 (26:13):
All right, Well, we'll get to some callers later on
and see if they agree or disagree with one of us. Yeah,
I guess, says they all agree with me, but I'm
usually right. That's why. That's part of the Rod and
Greg Show right here on Utah's Talk Radio one. Oh
five nine. Kate and are As product Greg with you

(26:42):
on Utah's Talk Radio one oh five nine. Kate and
ore As, we are going to take your phone calls
coming up in the five o'clock tour about the importance
of policy. In my opinion, it doesn't matter for Kamala
Harris and those who support her. Greg argues that for
the Independent, that's what that policy statement is very important.

Speaker 1 (27:02):
Right, It can be as deep as well, how are
you living between sixteen and twenty? How did how did
your life look? How does it look? Now? There's a
reason why that's policy related. Until she argues otherwise, I mean,
if she's not going to be a voice in there,
your policy can be as much as they print money.
You have none because they've done it and we didn't

(27:24):
do that, and look how much better things were it.
There's your policy.

Speaker 2 (27:27):
Well, after a speech last night, let's let you listen
in on some of the media fawning all over her
last night, and then some real honest comments. Chris Cuomo,
we've got a comment from him and a CNN did
a focus group last night, and wait, he hear the
comment that this guy had to say about the speech.
But here's kind of an audio montage or the media
reacting to the hair As speech last night.

Speaker 9 (27:49):
This is one of the most This is one of
the best produced events in terms of a political event,
that I've ever attended. And right now, the energy is palpable,
American flanks all over the entire pretty remarkable.

Speaker 10 (28:01):
Oh yeah, they've gotten it together big time, and I
think that they're dealing with now too many people who
want to be a part of this event. We were
all at the RNC, we're at the DNC now. The
RNC was an electrifying environment for many of those nights,
but this is different tonight. I think it feels to
me like there is an enormous amount of energy and

(28:23):
happiness in this room, which is a bit of a
contrast from what we saw about four weeks ago at
the RNC, which is a little more solemn at times.

Speaker 11 (28:31):
You will remember where you were when you heard this
speech tonight from the Vice President of the United States,
Kamala Harris, really introducing herself to the nation, speaking as
much to Republicans and independents as she was to the
Democrats who were nominating her tonight, asking Americans to remember
how great their country is and to fight for its values.

(28:51):
You're going to remember where you were this night. This
is an inflection point in history.

Speaker 4 (28:57):
Yes, Kamala Harris talked about immigration, but excusing the situation
of the status quo as being a function of one
bill not getting allowed to pass by Trump. It's not
going to be satisfying, not to independent voters, not for
people who study the issue.

Speaker 10 (29:12):
I think if there's one thing that we know about
Kamala Harris is that voters don't feel like they fully
understand her. She has not actually been in the public
eye in elected office on the political side in her quite.

Speaker 1 (29:28):
That long, so she's relatively new.

Speaker 12 (29:31):
To this and I felt like this she wasn't clear
enough on the policies. She did speak a lot of
her personal history on her personal history, which was great,
but I still don't feel like she's ready. I feel like,

(29:53):
more so she should wait. I don't want to per
se vote for someone that is a backup.

Speaker 2 (30:06):
Now. That last coming came from a participant with a
CNN and focus group after the speech last night, and
I think Greggie's hitting the nail on the head. A
lot of Americans do not know who she is, and
I think there are a lot of Americans who don't care,
but she's not Donald Trump, and they'll support her because
of that. I still think that exists in this country today.

Speaker 1 (30:26):
Well, look, she's running as someone who's never been president,
or that she's a new candidate or new fresh on
the scenes, that her fingerprints aren't on the last four years,
which isn't true. So I think an issues oriented campaign
might be as simple as inflation, runaway or you go
with that. Does that bring you joy? Open borders? Does

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that bring you joy? Street crime? You know, public safety
is not there, the fake job numbers that they're just
cooking the books on you.

Speaker 2 (30:54):
Yeah, if she.

Speaker 1 (30:55):
Doesn't want to answer any of those those issues I
just brought up, I don't know how she's going to
continue to let the media say that this is one
of those inflection points when she says nothing. She has
nothing to say.

Speaker 2 (31:07):
Will you remember where you were when Kamala Harris gave
her speech.

Speaker 1 (31:11):
In my office? That's what I was doing. Imb door
closed because because Queen Bee didn't want to hear any
of you know what, so I left it open again.
But she said, I told don't do this to me again.
She shut that door. Yeah, she didn't want to hear
any of it.

Speaker 2 (31:27):
When we come back, you will let you weigh in
on the debate that Greg and I have and are
having right now over the importance of Kamala Harris talking
about policy. My contingent is people don't care you say
they do.

Speaker 1 (31:39):
It's gonna it's gonna come. The roosters are coming home
to roost. That's what I say.

Speaker 2 (31:43):
That's coming up our number two, Rod and Greig, stay
with us the Friday afternoon edition of The Rod and
Gregg Show right here on Utah's Talk Radio one oh
five nine can ter Rest live everywhere on the iHeart
Radio app. I'm Rod Arquette, Citizen Hughes. All right, we

(32:04):
started a debate last half hour. Should we bring them
up to speed? For people who are just tuning in,
you know a lot. There's a lot of criticism being
directed toward Kamala Harris right now, saying what's your policy
on this? What's your policy stand on this? She has
a website doesn't even list her policy stands because apparently
they don't know. My argument is that it doesn't matter
right now. I think Democrats just because she is she

(32:28):
can walk into gum. You know, she can give a
speech and they don't have to worry about what she
says like they did when Joe Biden was doing that.
That they really don't care about what her policy is.
They know who she is. She is a progressive, radical
California lawmaker, right.

Speaker 1 (32:43):
So you got them, so they hit them aside.

Speaker 2 (32:47):
The question and Republicans, we know who she is.

Speaker 1 (32:49):
You don't have to tell us who, Okay, So let's.

Speaker 2 (32:52):
Look in the middle. My sense is, because there's not
a whole lot of time, what are we seventeen seventy
three days like that? That how much will Independence pay
towards the policy? And I've always argued, don't pay any
attention to the politician, pay attention to the policy. But
in this case, because there's so much, there's little time

(33:13):
left and the media is painting her out to be
a big celebrity in this country today, they are going
to pay more attention to the politician and not so
much of policy.

Speaker 1 (33:24):
Yeah, And my point and my counter to that is
that the issues that would be policy are the kitchen
table issues that are hitting Americans and Independence in these
important states every single day. They're being reminded every day,
So I think they're going to want to hear something specific,
something real, or what I think will resonate is that
she doesn't have an idea to tell you what it is,

(33:46):
and we do, and we're telling you what we're going
to do. And even the weight of having an i
A more specific plan will be stronger than her pageantry
where she never gets serious or answers a question.

Speaker 2 (33:59):
Now she's going to have to at the debate coming
up on ABC. But they're gonna but ab Seal do
everything he can. Yeah, okay, Now, unlike you know, we
were really critical of Jake Tapper and Dana Bash during
that June twenty seventh debate at the beginning. We're real
worried going in, but I thought they were pretty good
during that debate.

Speaker 1 (34:14):
That's truly got the memo they had to kick Biden out,
Like the memo went out, this guy's done, We're kicking him.

Speaker 2 (34:19):
To the curb.

Speaker 1 (34:19):
It's time to go.

Speaker 2 (34:20):
Ryan's fanny by Afy asking him to embarrass him.

Speaker 1 (34:23):
And they know it's like that. That night, every media said,
you know, he's not all there, you know, he's kind
of he's kind of vacant. Oh you don't say like so,
I just think they got I think Obama sent the
memo out.

Speaker 2 (34:34):
All right, we want to get let's open up the phones.
Do you on this? See if you agree with Greg
to agree with me. I need to win, guys. I
will tell you that I try to put your thumb.
I have lost like too many in a road the audience.
I need you do agree with me on this eight
eight eight top lobbying five seven eight zero one zero
eight eight eight five seven o eight zero one zero

(34:55):
or on your cell phone, I'll pound two fifteen and say, hey, Rod,
let's go right to the phones on this thank Rod
and Greg. Is Friday would go to Aaron in Smithfield tonight,
erin How are you welcome to the Rod and Greg show?

Speaker 13 (35:08):
Are you gentlemen this evening?

Speaker 2 (35:10):
We're doing well? Thanks Baron. Uh.

Speaker 13 (35:13):
My first question is does Kamala Harris have gills? She
looks like the swamp thing you remember, Adrian barboo. Oh yeah,
the older gentleman would remember her. She looks like she's
related to the swamp thing. Yes, I agree, but but
but anyways, I have a sister, two sisters, and two

(35:37):
brother in laws and actually a very good old red
dog or blue dog Democrat that will never ever vote
for Trump. No matter what the earth could destroy uh,
the earth could be destroyed, they would would never vote
for Trump. They would vote for Hitler before Trump. Because
we've got eight years a propaganda. We all know who

(35:59):
Joseph ger is. You tell a lie long enough, it
becomes a truth.

Speaker 2 (36:02):
Yep.

Speaker 13 (36:03):
We've got eight years of that, and it doesn't matter
what the policy is. And I have my sisters listen
to mainstream media, listen to NPR, don't ever change. And
then we have as what was the question was raised
in Utah a couple of weeks ago, you had rod,
why would you ever vote for Donald Trump? So then
we have all our what do I want to call them,

(36:26):
pious Utahns that will never vote for Trump? So I
don't and we already have a wealth tax, it's called
property tax. So you know I don't think policy matters.

Speaker 1 (36:41):
Well, Aaron, I, you know everything you say makes sense.
Here's here's the math though for me. Seven So before
this last twenty twenty election, the highest number of votes
that any presidential candidate without regard to party had ever
received as sixty million twenty twenty. It's the first time
they broke through that glass ceiling. Of sixty million, and
Trump had seventy four million, Biden had eighty one million.

(37:04):
I don't believe seventy four million people because he didn't
he got fifty nine million or fifty eight and twenty sixteen.
I'm telling you, seventy four million people voted for Donald J. Trump.
I don't think they're going for Harris. That was seventy
four million. Now you've got to go look at that
eighty one million that Biden got. I don't know that
they all go to Harris. I don't I think that
there's I think that regardless of what the media tells

(37:26):
us about how unpopular Donald Trump is, when you're getting
seventy four million votes out of this country, when Obama
himself never saw that number, I think he's more popular
than people believe.

Speaker 2 (37:35):
You're just upset because Aaron agreed with me.

Speaker 1 (37:37):
Well that too.

Speaker 2 (37:38):
So I've got one vote so far. Let's go I
just score here. Let's go to Robert in Sandy tonight.
Are on the right, then, Greg show? Hi, Robert, how
are you welcome to the show.

Speaker 14 (37:48):
I'm great. I hate to say it, Rod, You're gonna
get two votes. My concern is that people are gonna cheat,
she's she I saw the speech last night. She's she's
she's a great speaker, she's seems ener jettik, she's young.
It's a chance to get the first woman for president,
and a black American woman, and I'm afraid that that

(38:08):
cult of personality may take over.

Speaker 5 (38:10):
Now.

Speaker 14 (38:10):
My hope is that somebody, some people will vote down
ballot and give us Republicans for the House and Senate,
so at the very least we can handcuff her from
and keep us from sliding into becoming Sweden. So I'm
hoping that enough people will vote to keep the House
Republican and switch the Senate so we can at least
make her a lame duck for a while.

Speaker 1 (38:32):
Well, there you go, you got two votes. Send it. Look,
I hear that. But remember in sixteen and in twenty,
Trump was never ahead. He wasn't even this competitive in
any poll. And yet when election day came out, you
saw the numbers. He pulls low he has traditionally, he's
pulling higher than he ever did in sixteen and twenty
in these years that I've said. He won in sixteen
and got record number of votes seventy four million to

(38:54):
Biden's eighty one, but still there was a popularity there
nobody saw coming at the time. I think that we
are just what we're doing is we're just hearing this
media and it plays in your mind. You start to
think that's what people hear, that's what they gotta believe.
But Trump has bucked that trend in the results of
votes versus the polling and the coverage and the attacks

(39:15):
that he's gone through in the past. I think that
I think that more than sixteen and twenty people are
feeling it worse now than ever before.

Speaker 2 (39:22):
Just right now, I want you to know I've got
two votes so far.

Speaker 1 (39:25):
I'm keeping school now.

Speaker 2 (39:26):
Yeah, thank you eight eight eight five seven eight zero
one zero triple eight five seven eight zero one zero
on your cell phone dial pound two fifty and say, hey, Rod,
is it more about image than it is policy? Right now, now,
I want to ask you remember the the great tennis
player Andre Agacy. Yes, you know, I think he's now
into pickleball by the way, and his wife Stephi Graff.

(39:46):
It's a big deal for them. Yeah. I think he's
still down in Vegas. Yes, I think that's where is
that true? Might like you know him?

Speaker 1 (39:52):
Yeah, actually I went down there once and yeah.

Speaker 2 (39:56):
You went down there? What hunging around with a long story?
But yeah, okay, okay, Well years ago he did a
he did an he did a commercial. I think it
was for Nikon Cameras and the line was image is everything.
Remember that? Remember that? Okay? I think image and every
is everything in this country today. No matter what, you

(40:16):
don't think Kama's off putting. I think I think true
image is so much stronger.

Speaker 1 (40:20):
Than I think her image is. She's a happy war
Oh please. I think I still think people are like presidential.

Speaker 2 (40:27):
I'm not saying I support her in any way, but
I think the image that she and the party is
portraying of her. She she's fun, she smiles, she's joyful,
and that's the image they're creating. And I just fear
the American people are gonna hook line and sinker with
this thing.

Speaker 1 (40:43):
I think she fails on that presidential image the way
that Obama certainly fit, uh and in Clinton fit, and
even Hillary fit. I don't think she comes across that way.
I think she comes across as and also ran I do.

Speaker 2 (40:57):
I am.

Speaker 1 (40:59):
I am underwhelmed by her.

Speaker 2 (41:01):
All right, let's go to Jim and Spring vilse what
he has to say. Jim, how are you welcome to Rod?
And Greg?

Speaker 15 (41:08):
Hey, Rod and Greg, thanks for taking my call.

Speaker 11 (41:11):
Uh.

Speaker 16 (41:12):
You know what, Rod, I think you're right all the time,
except this time.

Speaker 13 (41:19):
You couldn't.

Speaker 15 (41:23):
And let me tell you, you could not be more wrong.

Speaker 16 (41:27):
And obviously that's my opinion. However, if you.

Speaker 15 (41:32):
Look at the last three and a half years what
America has been through with this administration, and Harris Kamala
Harris is tied directly to that record and with all
the let's just say suffering that has happened, a bunch

(41:52):
of cackling and.

Speaker 16 (41:53):
A bunch of joy is not going to convince an
independent voter that she can lead this country.

Speaker 2 (42:01):
And I'll just leave it at that, all right, all right, Well,
you finally got a vote by.

Speaker 1 (42:05):
It leaned into it too. Let me, Jim is a
Jim is a profit in his own land. That man is.

Speaker 2 (42:10):
Let me let me say one thing. Here's the issue
I have right now with the Republican Party and Donald
Trump and JD. Van's out on the campaign trail right now.
They need to remind people of what Jim just said,
was your life better last four years or four years
before that? I mean that age, that that age old
question that Reagan asked, are you better off now than

(42:30):
you were four years?

Speaker 1 (42:31):
When's the last time you heard him? They say it
all the time.

Speaker 2 (42:33):
I don't hear it enough.

Speaker 1 (42:34):
You need to get you need to get informed, sir.
You need to watch some of this.

Speaker 2 (42:38):
I just don't hear it enough. They have got to
pound that message, and I don't know if they're pounding
are well.

Speaker 1 (42:45):
I look, I think some of our listeners don't want
to risk the vulnerability of believing that Trump can win
like they want to. They just want to. They just
want to shield themselves from it or gird themselves up
to the fate that they don't want, and that is
that she could possibly win. So it's hard to be
overly optimistic. But I am just telling you the numbers

(43:07):
do not say that. Doubling down on your base the
way she has, whether nominee from governor, Walls from Minnesota,
and just everything, and then never getting specific on a
single issue of which you have had a hand in,
while you have what's happening with Trump and how he
underpolls and what he looks like today, betting lines on
his side right now, I just think I think it's

(43:28):
gonna matter. I think he's I think he's going to
be He's gonna win on the substance that people's lives
will be better at the kitchen table.

Speaker 2 (43:34):
More your calls and comments coming up on the Roden
Greg Show. I'm still winning. By the way, an eight
zero one zero on your cell phone dial pound two
fifty and say hey, run.

Speaker 1 (43:44):
We are humming along and we have ourselves a contest.
We are having a discussion about Kamala Harris. He's done
with the convention. We've heard or not heard what the
policy positions are, big announcement with RFK and suspending his campaign,
but in the Swing States backing President Trump in his campaign,

(44:06):
former President Trump. So the question is and rot and look,
I understand everything. We'rerod saying that people don't really dive
deep into issues, and I get that, but momage and
it's it's a lot, and the media is going over
time and trying to create this image and they don't
really want to have to make hers answer any hard
questions because they don't want to. They don't want to
mess up a good thing. I get all that, but
these issues are kitchen table issues. These are issues that

(44:28):
are hitting people every day that they can't forget about
or they don't have to research, they're feeling it. I
think that the issues and being subsequent are going to
matter this year. But what say you? Folks? The number
eight eight eight five seven zero eight zero one zero
is the number to call if you have an opinion.
Do you think that the issues were conferring today matter
or is it the image of Kamala is the greatest

(44:51):
things in sliced bread that could carry.

Speaker 2 (44:52):
The day, joyful warrior eight eight eight five seven eight
zero one zero, as Greg said, Or on your cell
phone dial pound two fifty and say hey, Rod, let's
go to Brad in West Jordan, who's been waiting patiently
to weigh in on this. What say you, Brad.

Speaker 17 (45:08):
Well?

Speaker 18 (45:09):
I I feel and though the convention and the media
has been it's been gas lighting, it's being felt. I
feel like I've been gas lift and I think a
lot of Americans may feel that way. Those run the
die hard edges, No, they're already going to go for
the image have to do with Greg. I think the
way to go with the swing voters to try to

(45:32):
catch those groups that are right now feeling I'm sure
and perhaps uncomfortable because being gasoline really sucks. If you
give them facts, give them truth, say here's the issue,
here's the reality, then I think that would work.

Speaker 1 (45:47):
Brad. This is why I love our listeners. Spot on
with you, but listen, it doesn't. It's not a deep dive.
It's it's in plation, it's an open border, it's it's
street deadly, street crimes, it's it's fake job numbers are
pushing at us. These are easy to say out loud,
and they're substantive. And what is her answer back?

Speaker 2 (46:06):
Yeah, yeah, all right, Let's go to Johnny and Salt. Johnny,
how are you wel Welcome to Rod and Greg. He's
dancing in here, Johnny because he just had someone agree
with him again.

Speaker 1 (46:18):
I was down to Zip.

Speaker 19 (46:22):
Let's let's just say I really love your show, Rob,
but I got to go with citizen Hughson.

Speaker 1 (46:29):
Johnny.

Speaker 18 (46:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 19 (46:30):
The only the only ones who care about their image
are the Democrats. Nobody else does. I although I am
a huge Trump supporter, I want to see what policies
are going to be there to help reduce the crime,

(46:52):
to help get the interest rates down so I can
actually get a place to live. Now, and you know,
foreign policy is really important. Are they going to send
our people off the ward? You know, I think the
policies absolutely matter, and I just don't think Harris.

Speaker 2 (47:10):
Has it all right, Johnny, I tend to I understand
she doesn't have the policy, but I don't know if
that matters to people.

Speaker 1 (47:17):
Johnny Unitas just told you it does. Okay, Johnny Unitas,
the man's a legend. I think to the really engaged
voters it matters. No, But I don't think every voter
is engaged.

Speaker 2 (47:28):
Greg.

Speaker 1 (47:28):
I don't argue you have to be that. I don't
think you have to be a policy wonk to feel
what Harris has done to us in the last four years.

Speaker 2 (47:37):
Okay, all right, Mike Lee. By the way, he's on
Fox News right now. He's talking to Laura Ingram, Donald Trump,
and RFK Junior to speak at a rally. We're keeping
an eye on it. When one of them takes a microphone,
will go to you. Let's go back to the phone.
See what Doug in provo has to say tonight. Doug,
I hate say this. Greg is winning. Are you going
to add to his margin that?

Speaker 1 (47:56):
Let him just answer off. Don't don't have any sure.
Don't want to put the thumb on the.

Speaker 20 (48:01):
Scale, hot Rod our Kat Listen, I know I'm gonna
be I'm gonna try and be as distinct as possible.

Speaker 7 (48:10):
I do agree with you, Rod, And let me explain though,
so that Greg doesn't feel like his fields are hurt. Okay,
is that regardless of what side you're talking about, you're
gonna have your fanatics, whether it's the fry, far right
or far left, that you're gonna have them. And it
won't matter what policy it is.

Speaker 20 (48:32):
Those that are in the middle, Okay, those of the middle,
the policy is going to be very important, and hopefully,
hopefully there's enough in the middle that will that do
want you know that, do want to talk about the
policy because the bottom line is, and I'm going to say,

(48:53):
we want intellectuals, we want smart people in that position
because hopefully they'll the First of all, Donald Trump he
graduated with a degree in economics, so he understands economics,
unlike his opponent. And two, he's been a manager. He

(49:13):
knows how to manage people, and he knows how to
make the deal. The foreign powers, they're scared to him
because he knows how to make a deal.

Speaker 2 (49:24):
Do I but Doug, that sounds like it sounds like
you're agreeing more with Greg than you are with me.

Speaker 1 (49:30):
The independents are going to look at the issues right now.

Speaker 20 (49:32):
No, no, no. What I'm saying is is that you
both have a valid point. And the only way, the
only way Greg could win this one is if there's
enough people, if the majority of those that are in
the middle are actually intelligent enough to see the folly,

(49:56):
that's the problem.

Speaker 2 (49:57):
Yeah, I see, And that's that's the p up right now,
because I don't I think there are some in the
middle who won't see the folly and will just buy
this and well, you know, someone wrote today she is
the new Obama.

Speaker 1 (50:10):
Yeah, well, look, I think there's a I think there's
there are upper middle class suburbanites who might not feel
some of the economic pressures, or might not feel the crime,
or might not feel it that You're right, I think
I think it will be more image in those areas.
I do think if we're looking at numbers, there will
be more people that have felt, that are feeling in
real time the detrimental impact from these policies, that they

(50:33):
will vote for their their self interest and and it
won't be a a intellectual exploration. It's going to be
how they feel. It's going to be what they're experiencing,
and who's giving them the answers on what how they're
going to get, how they're going to how it's going
to get better.

Speaker 2 (50:48):
See my argument is they're already in Trump's camp. Now,
that's what I believe. That's what I believe. I don't
all Right, We've got a lot of people that want
a weigh in on this. It looks like Donald Trump
has just come on the stage in Glendale, Arizona. We'll
see when Robert F. Kennedy joins them. We're keeping an
eye on that for you as you work your way
home on this Friday afternoon into the weekend. More coming
up on the Rod and Greg Show. Thank Rod and Greg.

(51:09):
It's Friday and Utah's talk Rady on one oh five
to nine. If you're just joining us. Greg and I
have a bit of a disagreement over policy versus image.
I think the image of Kamala Harris and the image
that the media is creating and the Democrats are creating
on her behalf allow her to run for the White
House without really stating her policies. You disagree.

Speaker 7 (51:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (51:33):
First off, I think after all of the media's best effort,
I don't think the images is as presidential as we've
seen other Democrat candidates nominees for president. Look, and then
I think that the issues are not ones you research.
I think they're ones that you're feeling every day and
you want to hear back. I mean, I just just
turned on the Trump rally and I I just showed

(51:55):
you how those are issues. You know you heard them.
So those are I mean, I'm telling you those those
are gonna matter with with with voters. And by the way,
I think in that packed arena in Arizona right now,
there are independent voters in there. I don't think everybody
in there is a card carrying Republican. I don't. I
think he has a very strong populous appeal. All right,
let's common sense.

Speaker 2 (52:15):
Let's go to Sarah and Ogden see if she agrees
with mister Hughes or myself. Hi, Sarah, how are you
welcome to Rod and Greg?

Speaker 18 (52:24):
Well?

Speaker 8 (52:24):
Thanks, I'm definitely with Greg on this one.

Speaker 1 (52:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (52:29):
Like I get it's titillating that she's young, and she's
sparkly and shiny and new and women and whatever. As
soon as she opens her mouth without a teleprompter, she's done. Yes,
it's the exact same thing that happened with Biden. As
soon as she opens her mouth and a debate, people

(52:51):
have to step back and realize, Yeah, she is absolutely
as much of an idiot as we all thought she was.

Speaker 1 (52:59):
Sarah, You're right, and I'll tell you that that all
politics is local at retail politics, and if they try to,
you know, rig that that debate at ABC News where
they try to make it easy for her, if she
never has these candid conversations, if they keep bringing in
props at diners, if they go to the sandwich shops
and they take all the public out and bring in
their own people, that that's that is just not going

(53:21):
to fly with voters. I just think that voters are
going to see that for what it is. Thank you,
Thank you for your insights, Sarah, in your wisdom.

Speaker 2 (53:29):
You just love this because you're winning. See, I do
this to set you up because I know your ego
is fragile.

Speaker 1 (53:35):
No it's not. It's not fragile, by the way. My
father in law agrees with you. But you know, yeah,
I'm not counting that on the score sheet.

Speaker 2 (53:44):
Sean in South Jordan Ton Sean, how are you welcome
to the Rod and Greg Show.

Speaker 1 (53:50):
Good afternoon.

Speaker 21 (53:51):
I want to give each of you half a point.

Speaker 1 (53:57):
You know, you know Rod guilted you into that. I
know you with me. Tell you he made you feel bad?

Speaker 7 (54:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 21 (54:03):
See, I don't think that this is a with independent voters,
of which I am one. This is not an issue
of the personalities between Trump or Harris or the policies
between the two. I think that independent voters are either
going to vote against Trump's personality or for Trump's policies.

Speaker 1 (54:25):
Actually, that is well said. Actually that's about the I
that I can see. I think there's a lot that
they could be going on wrong in your life, and
there's just such a strong opposition to Trump's personality that
they would pretty much endure anything than to vote for him.

Speaker 2 (54:39):
Well, that's that's one of my opinions. You know, I
want to go to uh, let's go to Arizona for
just a minute, because guess who is on stage with
Donald Trump?

Speaker 22 (54:48):
John F.

Speaker 1 (54:48):
Kennedy or Robert F. Kennedy Jr. John would be a
bit of a that'd be that.

Speaker 2 (54:52):
Would be a surprise. Let's hear what the former president
is saying about Robert F. Kennedy Junior, who stepped up
and endorsed him today.

Speaker 23 (54:58):
The political I'm in a positive campaign grounded in the
American values of his father, Robert Kennedy, a great man,
and his uncle, President John F. Kennedy. And I know
that they are looking down right now and they are very,

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very proud of Bobby.

Speaker 1 (55:21):
I'm proud of Bobby.

Speaker 23 (55:22):
You want to know the truth, and I don't think
I've ever introduced anyone.

Speaker 1 (55:33):
They got applause like he just got. I must tell you,
I don't think that's true.

Speaker 23 (55:38):
I don't think I've ever introduced anybody.

Speaker 1 (55:43):
I got applause like that.

Speaker 2 (55:56):
Amazing.

Speaker 13 (55:59):
I'm true.

Speaker 1 (56:05):
Medicine.

Speaker 23 (56:12):
Soon after I was I can't even believe I have
to say this. Nearly assassinated in Pennsylvania last month, Bobby
called me to express his best wishes. He knows firsthand
the risks incurred by leaders who stand up to the
corrupt political establishment. When you stand up, you bring on

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some trouble for yourself, but you have to do what's right.

Speaker 1 (56:35):
You have to do what's right for the country.

Speaker 23 (56:38):
I will tell you we are both in this to
do what's right for the country.

Speaker 1 (56:41):
That's one thing I can tell you.

Speaker 23 (56:48):
He lost his father and uncle in service to our country.
And Bobby himself was subject to repeated threats to his
safety during the course of his campaign while being denied
protection by the Harris Biden administration. And this is a
tribute in honor of Bobby. I am announcing tonight that

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upon my election, I will establish a new independent Presidential
Commission on Assassination Attempts, and they will be tasked with
releasing all of the remaining documents pertaining to the assassination

(57:32):
of President John F.

Speaker 13 (57:33):
Kennedy.

Speaker 23 (57:45):
And they will also conduct a rigorous review of the
attack last month.

Speaker 1 (57:51):
But I tell you I have never had more.

Speaker 23 (57:54):
People ask me, please, sir, release the documents on the
Kennedy assassination.

Speaker 19 (58:02):
And we're going to do that.

Speaker 23 (58:05):
And I also want to salute Bobby's decades of work
as an advocate for the health of our families and
our children. Nobody's done more.

Speaker 5 (58:15):
Millions and millions.

Speaker 23 (58:16):
Of Americans who want clean air, clean water, and a
healthy nation have concerns about toxins in our environment and
pesticides in our food. That's why today I'm repeating my
pledge to ESTAB panel top experts working with Bobby to
investigate what is causing the decades long increase in chronic

(58:37):
health problems and childhood diseases, including autoimmune disorders, autism, obesity, infertility,
and many more.

Speaker 2 (58:48):
All right, that's President Trump at a rally and Glendale.
We're hoping to hear from Bobby Kennedy Junior, who announced
his endorsement today of.

Speaker 1 (58:55):
This jah right next to you can't see it this year.

Speaker 2 (58:58):
If in fact he does make a comment with try
and get to that. But we need to take a
break and get to more of that coming up here
on The Rodden Greg Show and Utah's Talk. Rady'll want
oh five nine can arrest. We've got a few minutes
now before we head to a news update at the
top of the hour. Let's go back to Phoenix. Robert F.
Kennedy Junior is speaking now. Let's listen in to hear
what he has to say at this rally for Donald Trump.

Speaker 3 (59:22):
All very very much and God bless you and God
bless America.

Speaker 2 (59:34):
You know what always happens like that? You want to
go to hear them.

Speaker 1 (59:38):
Think as soon as we went the commercial, Robert F.
Kennedy Junior come the got Mike and as soon as
we come out of break, he's done.

Speaker 2 (59:46):
Did you see though him and the president former president
embraced youet ready for it?

Speaker 1 (59:51):
They are And so if you're driving home tonight, folks,
Robert F. Kenny Junior talked about we need healthy kids.
We've got something going on with you, autism rates rising,
something's going on with our food, with our food and supply.
But also he talked about endless wars and we have
to get out these wars. And then lastly he talked

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about we need a strong manufacturing sector in this country.
We need an industrial base, We need jobs where people
can support their families. And those are things that you're
not hearing from the other candidate in ticket, and I
think those things are the critical issues that are emotional
people will feel, you know, if it's all about how

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we feel. You got to hear a message like that
and feel more optimistic.

Speaker 2 (01:00:36):
The thing that surprised me most what Kennedy said earlier today,
and I think he mentioned it here. He was asked
by Donald Trump to come meet with him or to
talk to him, and he met with Donald Trump, I
think he said in Minnesota, and then again in Florida.
He reached out to Kamala Harris's campaign and said, I
would like to sit down with you and talk issues.
They said, no things. Yeah, and I mean it just

(01:00:58):
goes to show that Democrats are setting their wage. They
don't want to hear anything different. Donald Trump is open
to ideas. He may agree and Kennedy said this, We
we probably disagree on more than we agree on. But
you know what, at least he's willing to listen. And
that's what it's all about.

Speaker 1 (01:01:14):
Yeah, he talked about team of rivals. You know, we're
gonna passionately save this country on the issues that we
we can coalesce around. And that's what we need in
this country.

Speaker 2 (01:01:22):
All right now, survey out about the entertainment district in
Salt Lake City and what it will mean protections. That's
coming down next.

Speaker 1 (01:01:30):
And just so you know, folks, let me give you
scoreboard Greg a million, rod three. That's just I'm just counting, you.

Speaker 2 (01:01:38):
Know, Mark Mark saying that's not true.

Speaker 1 (01:01:43):
Two three, one million to three. That's a lot of dashes, right,
the fake news. So I've told you, Rod, I don't
have the I don't have the luxury of opinion. I
just know it's it's it's the it's the cross I
have to bear, Okay, I I just know you know
what I really love about doing this show with you.
What your humility? I know, I know you know what
I give and given when it hurts, I give more.

(01:02:04):
I just want you to know that, ladies and gentlemen,
it's been an incredible show. We've had a lot of fun.

Speaker 2 (01:02:09):
We are today.

Speaker 1 (01:02:10):
It's a lot of news. We tried, we had bad timing,
we went to a break and then the whole time
we were in break is when RFK Junior spoke to
the crowd at the Trump rally. But what are you
hearing more from? I suspect that's the beginning of a
lot of rallies and a lot of discussion that's going
to go on. And you got to imagine the if
the Democrats right now are weeping and whaling, that's got
to be a good day.

Speaker 2 (01:02:30):
Yeah. Well, I wonder how many campaign appearances he'll make
with Trump. I wonder how much Trump is going to
ask for his help now. He indicated during his announcement
earlier today that Trump apparently has promised him some sort
of appointment within his administration, not sure what it's going
to be, but we'll have to wait and see.

Speaker 1 (01:02:47):
You know what, I think it's that sounds kind of
quid pro quo. I actually think what it is is
that they spoke about some issues, and they had a
mutual friend who is advising them on these public policy
issues about our food chain and about food supple and
all of these things, and what's happening to masth medically,
and how sick American children are compared around the world.
And I think that that Trump has a sincere desire

(01:03:09):
to get to the heart of that issue. Ye so
does RFK Junior. And they want to work together and
commit together to tackle that. And I'll tell you good,
we need it. We need somebody that's not on the
corporate side. And look for why these things are happening.
Our kids are getting sicker.

Speaker 2 (01:03:23):
Yeah they are, they are. All right, Let's move on.
Let's talk about this plan to really revitalize downtown Salt
Lake City. The DEAs, Red News and the Ankley Institute
of Politics have just released a new survey showing that
does this surprise you that a majority of Utah's oppose
sales tax in Greece for the city's revitalization arena. I mean,

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have you ever seen a survey where people say, yeah,
raise my taxes?

Speaker 1 (01:03:47):
Yeah, I haven't seen it yet. It doesn't seem to
be a real popular sentiment.

Speaker 2 (01:03:51):
It doesn't seem to fit well. Joining us on our
Newsmaker line to talk about this tonight is you Work
your Way Home with Rod and Greg is Natalie Gatner.
Natalie is director of the Garden Policy Institute up there
at the University of Utah. You used to do a radio.

Speaker 1 (01:04:04):
Show with't that I did? Yes, well, we did both
sides of the aisle. She was kind of the she
was kind of the referee between me and Jim Debaccus.
She was the crazy Democrat. It was on public radio.
It was on KCPDA.

Speaker 7 (01:04:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:04:17):
Yeah, I had to whisper when I talked on.

Speaker 2 (01:04:19):
That station, flucked low tones.

Speaker 1 (01:04:21):
Yeah, it's very boring in there.

Speaker 2 (01:04:22):
Yeah. Well, let's bring on Natalie now, yeah, and find
out about this new survey. Natalie, great to have you
on the show. Your reaction to the survey the show
is the majority of Utahn's oppose a tax increase to
pay for the entertainment district. What say you?

Speaker 17 (01:04:38):
You know, I don't think so. I mean, it doesn't
surprise me that people are generally not supportive of tax increase.
I completely get that. I do think that there's been
a process here that's led to a conclusion that I
think will be good for the city and good for
the state. Maybe we can talk about.

Speaker 1 (01:04:53):
That, Natalie. Now, I looked at this and this this
poll is very interesting because it broke some rules in
my head of what I expect to see out of
polls like this. Eight hundred registered Utah voters, So this
was statewide, and I think the reasoning why you're polling
people broader than Salt Lake City is that it's noted
in the article, and as you've noted that a lot

(01:05:14):
of people that pay sales tax in Salt Lake City
live outside of Salt Lake City or even the county.
So you asked a broad a pool of voters. I
was surprised to see that more Republicans as a demographic
were supportive of the tax increase, and I was particularly
surprised to see that older voters sixty five and order

(01:05:34):
were more supportive of this. Those seem to be counter
to what I would have imagined in a question asking
if you want your taxes raised what do you what
do you attribute that to?

Speaker 17 (01:05:46):
Yeah, well, so I think of this as our capital city, right,
It's the central gathering place for our state. And what
happens is that if you don't invest in your core,
bad things happen. And I'll just mind people that Salt
Lake City's population from nineteen sixty to nineteen seventy declined,
and then from seventy to eighty declined, and then from

(01:06:08):
eighty to nineteen ninety declined. This was a central city
that was in decline, and it was community leaders. This
is you know, maybe a lot of Republicans, greg Or
also people that are more senior now and how they
showed up in the poll. But they made decisions to
invest in Salt Lake City, whether it was the Salt Palace,
convention Center at Bravonel Hall, the eCos Broadway Theater and

(01:06:31):
all of those things. Tracks front Runner. They turned the
city around. And now Salt Lake City's population is actually
increased faster than the States last year. And so you've
got a central city that is having a revival, a renewal,
a renaissance, and I would argue that that's very good
for the entire state.

Speaker 2 (01:06:49):
What do you see as maybe the number one benefit
other than the population increased or more and more people
coming back into the city because of this revitalization. Natalie,
what do you see as one of the real key
benefits of the sales tax, because a lot of people
look at taxes and go, I just don't want anymore.

Speaker 5 (01:07:05):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 17 (01:07:06):
Well, I think a good thing that people should understand
is that in the in the resolution here, they exempted
groceries from the sales tax increase, and they exempted large purchases,
and that's a way of trying to soften the burden.
And interestingly, because the voters get a vote in November
to remove the sales tax on food on our state,

(01:07:28):
you're going to see it. I think it'll pass. I
don't know what you both are thinking, but you're going
to see it a very significant tax cut, you know,
after the November vote that will in some ways maybe
offset some of this. But to your question, Rob, the
greatest advantage is that instead of having a city in
decline where you lose people, jobs, commerce tax base all

(01:07:49):
to the outlying areas, you continue to invest in the city.
And if you're going to invest anywhere, I would argue
that sports entertainment and culture are the things you must
keep in the center. Those are the things you must
keep in the center. Your other things can be on
the outlying areas. But great American cities as sports, entertainment,
culture right at the heart.

Speaker 1 (01:08:10):
So look, you got three billion dollars that the Smith
Group wants to invest. You've got this will raise it says,
one point two billion dollars over thirty years. So this
is these this I could see. I can see exactly
why when you invest and you're putting it into your facilities,
everything else is going to grow. But at the same time, Natalie,
there is a public safety issue in Salt Lake City.
There is a homelessness issue that I've I've sat front

(01:08:32):
row and have tried my level best to tackle. I
don't see those issues that could have a chilling effect
on development or people come into the into the city.
What do you how do you how do you how
do you reconcile both how do you deal with the
public safety, the homelessness crisis and and it's growing nature
with this kind of massive investment in the city. What's
how do you do it?

Speaker 7 (01:08:54):
Yeah?

Speaker 17 (01:08:54):
Two things there, Greg. One is that if you want
to have even worse homelessness and worse crime. Don't invest
have a empty donut hole in the center of your
urban area with declining property values where crime and whatnot
can can perpetuate. So I would argue that the investment
helps with that. But secondly, you know a lot of

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this money goes towards housing, towards workforce development, towards public services.
So people want to characterize this as going into an arena,
that's not it. This is a neighborhood, this is a district,
and so you're going to by investing, you're going to
be creating opportunity that keeps you know, Salt Lake City
in our state progressing.

Speaker 2 (01:09:39):
Natalie, final question for you. A common issue that I
hear from listeners to this show when we talk about
this is they say, why are we putting more money
into Ryan Smith's pocket because they feel that what is
going to do? How do you counter that? I mean,
can he go it alone? And does in fact he
needs this tax support from Salt Lake City to be
able to pull this off.

Speaker 17 (01:10:01):
Well, if this were a subsidy, I would be against it.
If it's an investment, I'm for it. And by investment,
what I mean is the public gets a return, and
so this does not happen without a public private partnership.
There's a significant amount of private capital being put on
the table that otherwise would not be there. And so

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in the final analysis you have to weigh all of that.
And I'll just remind you that a lot of this
money doesn't come from Utah's think of the Salt Lake
City International Airport, all the commerce going on between the gates,
those are visitors to our state paying sales tax. That's
going to help invest in our capital city. And so
I think of this very much as an investment. It

(01:10:44):
was a long debate that got it to that point,
that made all the concessions, that made sure the public
receives a return. But I think in the final analysis
they got to a good place. And of course the
legislature has been behind this and the Salt Lake City Council.
How often do you see the Utah state legislature.

Speaker 1 (01:10:59):
This Maybe this might be it?

Speaker 2 (01:11:03):
Yeah, all right. Natalie Guckner from the University of Utah
talking about this this tax, it's interesting a point that
you made. Older people actually support this idea. Older Republicans
support this idea.

Speaker 1 (01:11:16):
Republic if you take the vote, the people that responded
to the poll, and you separate them by how they
identified as being a Republican or Democrat. I think this
is hilarious. Actually, more Republicans supported the tax increase for
Salt Lake City than Democrats, which I find hilarious. Now,
a lot of people that do not reside in the
Salt Lake City proper will be inside that area to

(01:11:39):
pay sales tax. But I cannot think of any other
reason why Republicans would pull higher for a sales tax,
for a sales tax increase, but for it's going to
be just levied in Salt Lake City. So they thought,
just stick it to.

Speaker 2 (01:11:52):
The deeds them.

Speaker 1 (01:11:53):
Let's go get them with some taxes.

Speaker 16 (01:11:55):
All right.

Speaker 2 (01:11:55):
More coming up on the Roden Greg Show in Utah's
Talk Radio one oh five nine Kynterus coming up at
the bottom of the hour hour listen back Friday segments.
We're going to replay an interview we did earlier this
week with Derek Monson from the Seboland Institute, who I
think really breaks down Greg. You and I talked to
him earlier this week about this ballot initiative and a
whole debate and why it's in the constitutional amendment. Why

(01:12:18):
it's important to have that. Now, I noticed just announced
today that the Better Better Boundaries Committee or whatever they're called,
these are the people who want to make changes, are
going to be holding a news conference on Monday and
launch an ad campaign opposed to it. I mean, like
what you're worried about, Craig. A lot of outside money
is coming in on this and it's going to be

(01:12:39):
interesting to see what happens.

Speaker 1 (01:12:41):
Yeah, you're tell on this whole the whole vote in
the special session. Every single Democrat in the House and
Senate voted against it. This this rally right here. They
are all Democrats or should be. Yeah, I'll say that
if they're not a Democrat, they may as well be.
They should be. So that's where this is coming from.
But money talks, Yeah, it does. They'll be a lot
of money.

Speaker 21 (01:13:00):
Now.

Speaker 2 (01:13:00):
I want to bring up this story because you and
I haven't talked about this week, but the news came
out today. Fox News, as a matter of fact, reported
this today that the head of the Secret Services Pittsburgh
Field office and several other agents have reportedly been sidelined
amid the ongoing investigation at a last month assassination attempt
on President Trump. Someone is finally being called on the

(01:13:21):
carpet here.

Speaker 1 (01:13:22):
It's entirely appropriate, with the only question being what in
the world took so long? I mean, you got one job.
I mean, I know they chase counterfeiters of currency, but really,
when there's a presidential visit of vice presidential visit, you
know someone on the protection detail, you got one job.
And then I didn't know, but you told me the
sniper that out. The assassin was not even a member.

(01:13:43):
It wasn't a Secret Service agent. It was a It
was a local law enforcement.

Speaker 2 (01:13:47):
Local law enforcement guy who served on a local swat team.

Speaker 1 (01:13:49):
So what did the Secret Service actually do at that event?

Speaker 2 (01:13:53):
Yeah, well, according to this report, it's not immediately clear
right now as to how many of the Field Office's
agents were put on Lee, but I've heard as many
as five, is one report indicating today. So you know,
someone is being called on the carpet for this. Someone
has to bear responsibility for what happened to the former president.

Speaker 1 (01:14:11):
Well, it's a failure, failure, no doubt the high I mean,
there's no definition that you you could even find for
what they do as a job. If you're letting an
assassin's bullet, leave you a rifle towards the president. You've
you've failed abjectly at what you were supposed to do.
So Yeah, and you heard that the local law enforcement
weren't on the same communications channel.

Speaker 2 (01:14:32):
They're the same frequency there an, I.

Speaker 1 (01:14:35):
Mean, are you kidding me? Look, I was. I've been
involved in not intimately, but I've worked with Secret Service
on advanced teams and back even back in nineteen eighty
eight in Pennsylvania, and the thoroughness was unbelievable. They came
a week and a half early. They knew every inch
of where they were going to be, where where people
were going to be. It was so thorough. I just

(01:14:56):
don't understand the stories that are coming out of Butler
PA about the failures of that event.

Speaker 2 (01:15:01):
Well, remember the changes that took place greg after Ronald
Reagan and the attempted assassination on all the things really
changed and they were tight and there was protection. And
I wonder if over time and that was what in
the early eighties, now we're in twenty twenty four, if
things have gotten a little lax when it comes to security.
Clearly they have, clearly they have. I mean they've clearly got,
you know, and there were some real I mean people

(01:15:24):
saw the guy on the roof. There's a guy on
the roof. There's the new video him just walking around.

Speaker 1 (01:15:32):
Yeah, it's just it is in this day and age.
You know, for the Kennedy assassination, there's a bruder film
that no one thought there would be a guy with
a film. Now you got eight hundred films. Yeah, everybody's
camera is filming everything that's going on in that rally,
and you can see from all kinds of different vantage
points that he wasn't that well hidden. It wasn't like

(01:15:53):
he was in camo. He didn't disappear on that roof
like he was invisible. He was there. He's bear crawling
acro he's got a gun. I mean, it's just it
doesn't I don't want to say that. I never want
to say that they were going to let that happen.
But they did let it happen. But I don't know
that it was on purpose. I would hope it was

(01:16:15):
mass and horrific incompetence and not being okay with the
idea that there was an assassin on the roof.

Speaker 2 (01:16:23):
Well, I'm with you. I don't think it was intentional
I think it was just pure lack of checking everything out.
I mean, the one thing that stands out to me
more than anything Greg Apparently there was a report that
the Secret Service did not attend a meeting in the
morning on the day the attempted assassination took place, to
just coordinate with everybody and to make sure you know,

(01:16:44):
everything's covered. The Secret Service didn't bother to show up,
no with local law enforcement. Wouldn't that be rather key.

Speaker 1 (01:16:51):
One would think, I mean, I'm not a Secret Service person,
but you know, I've been, Like I said, I've been
around advanced teams that have come for visits, and I've
watched how thorough they are, and it doesn't make any sense.
And then right after that happened, there was a I
think it was a Biden event in Arizona or something.
They broke into someone's salon, yeah, to use the restroom. Yeah,

(01:17:13):
and then they turned the cameras off. But you can
see the camera the recording of them going up to
the camera to turn it off. Anyway, just I don't understand.

Speaker 2 (01:17:21):
Well, there was a report yesterday the former president was
down on the border and police were looking for some
guy who threatened to kill him.

Speaker 1 (01:17:27):
Yeah. Yeah, there's a lot more security risk going on
than the public knows, or probably that we should know.
But I don't have a high confidence in any of
these alphabet soup agencies at the moment, and none of
them are making me feel safe.

Speaker 2 (01:17:41):
Yeah. All right, We've got more coming up our Listen
Back Friday segments coming your way next here on the
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Speaker 1 (01:17:59):
So on lists Back Friday. Earlier in the week, we
had on Derek Monson from the Sutherland Institute talking about
what was then coming a special session to a to
put a ballot question to amend the constitution. Folks. It's
I just want to try to explain it because it's
a tough issue and this is why it's going to
be hard for this amendment to pass. If it's going
to This is not a change in our initiative law.

(01:18:21):
The initiative law has been administered the same way for
one hundred and thirty years here in Utah. In a
recent state Supreme Court decision. They have changed the interpretation
of what it means to have an initiative, and they
have been now interpreted that the legislature these laws are
not subject to the review or the funding prioritization of
the legislature at all. They have to stay hands off.

(01:18:43):
That is different. So the constitutional amendment would not look
to change in my mind, but really keep it as
it's been for the last one hundred and thirty years
and stave off this brand new interpretation of which, by
the way, only two states in America have this strict
interpretation of an initiative that no legislative body can touch it.
It has to stay in that way until you have
another initiative that would do something to it. So, but

(01:19:05):
we did meet with we did speak with Derek Monson
about this issue to have to get his thoughts about
why it's worth considering and supporting.

Speaker 22 (01:19:15):
Well, there was a recent Supreme court, the Utah Supreme
Court ruling regarding ballot in issiatives that took kind of
precedent on protecting the right of the citizens to propose
laws or boutent in issuatives to a further step of
saying that legislature has boundaries and how it can amend
laws passed by ballot initiative, and though that ruling didn't

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really clearly define where that line gets drawn. And so
that creates a concerning thing when it comes to law,
because then you have, you know, legislative pass law, which
the legislature can amend according to the public good and
as it deems necessary through compromise and deliberation, and then
you have ballid initiative laws which maybe it can't really

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amend in the same way, and we don't know where
the lines are, and so we have to go back
to the courts to determine that. And so now we're
starting to create a system where we're constantly going to
the courts to determine what we can do when it
comes to the proper exercise of legislative authority. And we
think that's something that creates problems for public policy and
for proper understanding of our constitution and needs to be

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corrected with a constitutional amendment.

Speaker 1 (01:20:22):
Eric I couldn't agree more. I think it says here
in the article that the Sutherland is to put out
that the court rule the decisiens a citizen past initiative
is protected from unfettered legislative amendment, repeal or replacement. The
challenge there is having been a former lawmaker, is that

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there isn't any bill or law or that's on the
books that doesn't at some point have the potential to
have unintended consequences amendments. Every bill you see in a
legislative session is addressing existing statute in a way that
might not have been understood when it passed, or game law.
We're a democratically elected republic. If we're going to let

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initiatives by large sums of money come in and create
bulletproof initiatives written by someone else and becomes law of
the land without our legislative bodies being able to amend it,
repeal it, or anything. What does that say about the state?
How long can you last with two books, one that
your legislative processes is with the laws, and one where

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George Soros and every left leaning group can just carpet
bomb this state with money and pass initiatives to do
what they want to do.

Speaker 22 (01:21:36):
Right, I think it's a valid concern and it opens
us up to that.

Speaker 16 (01:21:40):
You know, when a.

Speaker 22 (01:21:42):
Lot of vowel initiatives for better or worse, and a
lot of people would say worse, I have a lot
of resources from outside the state behind them, and that's
because that's what's necessary to enact the law through that
process is money. And so when you create that and then,
like you said, Greg, you kind of you know, protect
those laws from amendment or even repeal if that's what's

(01:22:03):
what's necessary, it's problematic. And I think, you know, if
being fair to the Supreme Court, I think they would
probably say, based on the ruling we're saying, you can't
just gut the law. It's one thing to amend it
in a way that forwards its goals. It's another to
repeal it basically. But that just kind of gets back
to the point of, Okay, so how long has to

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go on before we can repeal about initiative past law?
Because again, legislative and acted laws don't have that dynamic
going on, and so you end up what you end
up setting up is a place where laws that are
harmful to the public good in some passion can't be
corrected because it's deemed by courts to be you know,
opposing the purpose of that about initiative. And that's just

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bad public policy, bad process, And we don't really think
that's what a reasonable understanding of the legislative power in
the Constitution gets to, because we have to change those
laws for all these reasons that we've said.

Speaker 2 (01:22:58):
Derek, let me take the country man on the street
view of this, if you don't mind, Let's say I
vote for a petition or an initiative and it's approved
by voters. Is what I want as a voter, but
then state lawmakers step in and change what I wanted
to achieve. Is that fair?

Speaker 21 (01:23:15):
Well?

Speaker 22 (01:23:15):
I think it's fair in the sense that any law
can be changed by our elected presented representatives. And the
solution is, if you don't like it, elect, you know,
organize them, go get a different elected representative. So I
guess that's that's one thing that that I think is
kind of being being sidestepped is the legislators are a
representation of the will of the people as well.

Speaker 21 (01:23:37):
You know, they are.

Speaker 22 (01:23:38):
Being voted on it the same election that bout initiatives
are being voted on, and so you know which of
those is should quote unquote win out. I mean, unfortunately,
I don't think we have to set up a situation
where they're kind of opposed to each other. But that's
that's kind of how the lawsuit was put forward, and
the way that the Spreme Court chose to see it

(01:23:58):
is that these things are kind of opposed to each
other at times. So so I think again it comes
back to if if you don't like the legislature doing
what it does, you know they're accountable every two or
four years. You can go and vote for someone else,
but organized to get someone else on a bout or
a primary or in a general election, and that's the
route to change things if you don't like the legislature

(01:24:19):
and what or rather than what the legislature has done,
rather than going to the courts and saying, hey, you
can change what the legislature did because we don't like
what it did.

Speaker 1 (01:24:29):
Here's here's what I think the left would call an
intended consequence and the right would say, or the common
sense people would say, would be an unintended consequence. And
that is this if because when I was in the legislature,
there were plenty of left of center bills that were
filed and ways to point the state, its statutes, its
laws in a way that the majority of the Republicans

(01:24:51):
elected in the House and Senate didn't see good government
going Why would anyone who's left of center ever even
waste a in the legislature again if they could go
to an initiative process, given they have enough mind or
rays to be able to do it, and be able
to get one of these bulletproof initiatives passed by the

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people saying whatever they'd like in an ad that's you know,
unfettered by legislative amendment repeal or replacement. Why would you
ever see them go to the legislature and it's session again,
and what's to say we wouldn't have, you know, twenty
five of these election year if you could get that
kind of deal where it can't be touched ever again.

Speaker 22 (01:25:34):
Yeah, I think that does push towards a place where
we no longer resolve things through through consensus building and
compromise in the legislative context, where you simply have to
compromise to get the votes to you know, to pass
a bill, to a situation where kind of like you described, Greg,
if you have enough money, or if you have people
at the national level who have the money special interest

(01:25:56):
groups you align with, you can just write the law
that you want with all of the consequences you desire
to intended or otherwise, and then yeah, those laws can't
really be tinkered with. And again, it's just just not
a great way to write the law. I mean, the
other way to say it is, if that's what the
drafters intended when they wrote the ballot initiative language in

(01:26:19):
the Constitution, why isn't it there? And it's not there,
And the court kind of had to And I don't
want to put too much on this current Supreme Court,
they're building on precedent that built towards this kind of
ruling over decades. You know, it wasn't that they just
completely created everything. There was precedent that had created protections
for ballot initiatives in the past, and they just built

(01:26:42):
on that. But again, the point is still the same
that it wasn't written in the Constitution that ballot initiatives
are somehow on a higher plane than legislative enacted laws.
They were just alternative means of accomplishing the same goal.
And now we've said, no, it's not just co equal.
Now it's one is superior to the other in terms
of the possibility of amendment. And that's creates all these

(01:27:05):
problems that we're talking about.

Speaker 2 (01:27:06):
That's our conversation. We had earlier this week, Greg and
I with Derek Monster from the SELO and Institute. Well,
since then, lawmakers did go into special session. They have
come up with a constitutional amendment and it will be
on the ballot come this fall. And already the campaign
will be announced on Monday to defeat the initiative. And
I think it's an uphill battle for this initiative.

Speaker 1 (01:27:28):
Well, you heard that, you heard the discussion. It's it's
you have to explain it, and it takes you time
to explain. That's a that's a tough uh campaign to win.

Speaker 2 (01:27:40):
Yep, it is. We wrap up this week's show with
a Friday edition. We thought this would be appropriate. Well,

(01:28:02):
a little bit of hooray for Hollywood. We're setting up.
Doug Murray over at the New York Post decided to
compile what he thinks or who he thinks Democrats from
the Convention deserve an oscar for the Democratic Convention this week.
All right, you're ready for a few weeks? All right,

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best actress.

Speaker 1 (01:28:25):
Best h Nothing was good there?

Speaker 2 (01:28:28):
Uh aoc he says Nancy Pelosi.

Speaker 1 (01:28:35):
She's what was it? The drop out of her pens?

Speaker 2 (01:28:37):
Don't know?

Speaker 1 (01:28:37):
It looks like cocaine. Man, it looks like she was, like,
you know, sniffing the nose candy before she got on
that stage.

Speaker 2 (01:28:43):
I don't know. Best supporting Actress, that's an easy one.

Speaker 1 (01:28:47):
Oh uh, Michelle Obam.

Speaker 2 (01:28:50):
No Hillary Clinton? Oh, okay, okay? Best actor walls Walls,
Bill Clinton.

Speaker 22 (01:28:59):
Now this.

Speaker 2 (01:29:01):
That's according to uh Doug Murray over the New York Post.
Best supporting Actor Cardinal Kuppage. Apparently he gave when I
was seeking. He he led up her around stage. He
praised the idea of Americans being united by profound aspirations

(01:29:21):
of life.

Speaker 1 (01:29:22):
There you go.

Speaker 2 (01:29:24):
I love this Lifetime Achievement Award. Oprah Winfrey? You know, uh?

Speaker 7 (01:29:37):
Do you?

Speaker 2 (01:29:37):
Did you see the story about Oprah Winfrey and she
was slamming Donald Trump during the convention. Well, somebody dug
out a past performance of her show. Guess who the
guest was, Donald Trump?

Speaker 8 (01:29:51):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:29:52):
I haven't. Yeah, And she actually wrote him a letter
praising him for being such a nice guy and wishing
him well in his run for president someday.

Speaker 1 (01:30:01):
Let me tell you them. So, what's funny. There's a
he has a coffee Trump has a coffee table book
called Letters and it's and it's Letters like that. It's
letters from Alec Baldwin thanking him. He's got all these
letters from all these people, uh, telling how great he was.

Speaker 2 (01:30:15):
Yeah. Best animated feature. I loved it.

Speaker 1 (01:30:20):
I didn't even see a cartoons.

Speaker 2 (01:30:22):
You did, yes, you did. His name was Joe Biden.

Speaker 1 (01:30:25):
Oh there you go, two ships.

Speaker 2 (01:30:27):
Best animated feature was Joe Biden. Uh, let's see the
uh uh huh special effects best special effects.

Speaker 1 (01:30:37):
Oh, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:30:39):
Democratic National Committee, the whole thing.

Speaker 1 (01:30:41):
Oh yeah, yeah, that would be. They never had the Yeah,
they didn't have. Yeah, that whole that whole role call.
It all been done on zoom earlier. They were all nominating,
but they it was all fake. They'd done it before.

Speaker 2 (01:30:53):
Yeah, Okay, the convention is over, will start seeing some
polls over the next several days. What's your prediction. What
kind of a bump is she going to get?

Speaker 1 (01:31:01):
So I didn't see a bump at all during the week.
The betting lines have been going Trump's way.

Speaker 2 (01:31:07):
Yeah, they've been doing and Trump's way.

Speaker 7 (01:31:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:31:09):
So I my prediction is when we get back to
the show on Monday, after we've seen a full weekend
of the talking heads, and we have a day's worth
of news a cycle in front of us. I don't
think you're going to see a bump. I really don't.
I think if you did, you would, you'd see it.

Speaker 8 (01:31:23):
Now.

Speaker 1 (01:31:23):
They've been polling during the week. We haven't seen it.
The only real time we have our the betting lines,
which aren't moving. This this RFK announcement today, that is
not going to make her numbers go up any higher.

Speaker 2 (01:31:34):
It'll be it'll be interesting to see if she nudges.
She may nudge maybe a point.

Speaker 1 (01:31:38):
Let me tell you. I'm starting to wonder if they
didn't come clean on the jobs report so they could
get a get a lower interest rate by the Fed.
I wonder if they if the actually I'm like, how
did they release eight hundred and eighteen thousand fake jobs?
And I thought, oh, here we go, we're going to
have a lower interest rates.

Speaker 2 (01:31:53):
Well another week headed to the Broadcasting Hall of Fame
show after Yes, I don't know if we'll we'll d
We have a few technical issues, but today, smooth markets here,
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