Rod Arquette Show: Why is the Country so Polarized? Plus, Questions About Utah's Caucus Convention System

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How many of you can get outof your mind the collapse of the Twin
Towers on nine to eleven. Youjust it's difficult. You can see it
almost not daily, but it's inyour mind somewhere. It's in that storage
or that file cabinet, in yourmind of pictures that you don't want to
see. And you've seen others aswell well. I think that's the task

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facing the administration. In the campaignof Joe Biden to become President of the
United States for a second time,we just can't get out of our minds
the image of him during the debatelast week. The debate, it was
shocking, It was upsetting for alot of people, especially Democrats, very

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very difficult to watch, and basedon research, I bet there are a
lot of people who turned it offten twenty fifteen minutes, I should say
into the program after he froze tryingto answer a question about the economy and
medicaid. A lot. And that'sthe impression that people have. You have
a man whose cognitive abilities have startedto decline or are in the declining stage

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right now. He couldn't answer questions. He did not look good. But
now you've got the white House withthis humongous task, monumental task, I
should say, to try and convincethe American people that what they saw didn't
really happen and it's a one nightthing. Joe Biden is much better than

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that. That's what the White Houseand some Democrats are trying and those in
the media, that's what they're tryingto do in convincing the American people that
Joe Biden is just fine. Now, look what has happened since that debate
last Thursday. By the way,how are you everybuddy? Hello, Utah,
Welcome to the Rod arquachew on thisTuesday afternoon right here on Utah's Talk

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Radio one oh five nine kN rs. If you want to be a part
of a discussion today eight eight eightfive seven eight one zero or on your
cell phone, dal pound two fiftyand say hey Rod. But think about
what has happened since last Thursday.The next day, Joe Biden was at
a rally I think it was inNorth Carolina, trying to drum up support

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and convince the American people that whatyou saw Thursday night isn't really Joe Biden.
But you needed to look at whatwas going on on Friday, and
Joe Biden he looked more relaxed.He had a teleprompter in front of him,
and he delivered a speech and alot of people said, Okay,
he looked a little bit better.But then this weekend he runs to Camp
David meets with his family and apparentlyhis wife and sister and his son Hunter

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convinced him to stay in the race. But since then, more and more
stories are now coming out about hisdecline, from foreign leaders who were concerned
about him, from reporters who havefinally, hey, guess what Joe Biden
is what he used to be.You know they're starting to wake up.
You had at least one Democrat today, Democrat from Texas who said Joe Biden

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should step down a member of Congress. You have donors basically telling the campaign,
we'll give you a couple of weeks. We're going to see what the
polls say, and if the pollsaren't favorable towards Joe Biden, you may
not be getting any more of ourmoney. Then you have Democratic governors who

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apparently held a conference call today totalk about their concern over Joe Biden as
head of the ticket, and Bidenapparently is going to get on a conference
call with them either today or tomorrowto answer any questions that they have.
Then you have this memo going outfrom the President to all members of the
staff they're at the White House,telling the staff don't worry. Everything's okay.

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He's doing just fine. Don't letall these reports of him losing it
at times get in your way.Continue working hard, and everything will be
okay. I wonder how many ofthem right now have got their resumes to
go and they're now starting to sendhim out. So you can see the
task facing Joe Biden and the peoplesurrounding him. And like I said,

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there are now reports coming out thatthis has happened quite often. As a
matter of fact, Carl Bernstein aword word in bernstein fame. Many of
you who are may not recall Watergate. Bob Woodward and Carl Bernstein credited with
breaking that story wide open, whichled to the resignation of Richard Nixon as

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President of the United States. Well, Bernstein was on Anderson Cooper on CNN
last night, and he talked aboutthe fact that you know, he's been
talking with a lot of people whoare very close to Joe Biden, friends
of Joe Biden, people who loveJoe Biden who are now telling him that
episode like we saw last Thursday nighthave happened quite often in the past year

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and a half. Here's what hetold Anderson Cooper last night. Well,
these are people, several of themwho are very close to President Biden,
who love him, have supported them, and among them or some people who
have raised a lot of money forhim, and they are adamant that what
we saw the other night to JoeBiden, we saw is not a one

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off. That there have been fifteentwenty occasions in the last year and a
half when the president has appeared somewhatas he did in that horror show that
we witness And what's so significant isthe people that this is coming from,
and also how many people around thepresident are aware of such incidents, including

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some reporters incidentally, who have witnessedsome of them. Also on Anderson Cooper
last night, Bernstein talked about thecriticism being directed by members of Biden's family
toward his team that prepared him forthe debate. The leader of that team
was Ron Klain, a very closefriend of Joe Biden. The debate prep
was supervised by Ron Klain, whohas been with President Biden for many years,

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and people I've talked to have allbeen to Ron Klain in the last
year to say, we have aproblem. We have a problem such as
we saw the other night, thatthere have been numerous instances where the president
has lost his train of thought can'tpick it up again. There was a
fundraiser at which he started at thepodium and then he became very stiff,

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according to the people there, asif it were almost a kind of rigor
mortis. Apparently he became so stiffat that fundraiser that they had to get
him a chair to sit down andtalk to the donors. So, you
know, it's kind of interesting.Apparently now it is okay to talk about
Joe Biden's cognitive abilities. Up untillast Thursday, very close friends of the

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President's, his own staff, membersof the media did not recognize or they
knew, but they didn't want totell the American people that Joe Biden was
in cognitive decline. But apparently sinceeverything since what we saw, all of
us saw on Thursday night, itis now okay to talk about the cognitive

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decline of the president. Now,as I mentioned what has the president done?
Friday, he was out on thecampaign trail, okay, addressing North
Carolina. Last night he was inthe White House, addressed the nation about
the ruling concerning immunity for President DonaldJ. Trump and future presidents. And
he made about a four minute speechthat was on a teleprompter. The address

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in North Carolina was on a teleprompter. And now he goes to the National
Emergency Weather Center. I'm not surewhat the official name of that is,
to address people there as they getready for a busy hurricane season. May
or may not happen. We'll haveto see Mother Nature determines that, not
us. But he addressed the staffthere and talked about being prepared for a

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rough winter or rough weather season nowthat we're ending the hurricane time. And
again he uses a tele prompter.Now word is tonight that he has scored
an interview or George Snuffaluffagus with ABCNews and scored an interview with the president.
Will there be more? Apparently theplan is to get Biden out in

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front of the American people, tohold a town hall meeting, not a
rehearsed one, to sit down fora tough media interview, and apparently he
thinks George Snuffaluffagus will be a toughinterview. So this is an effort.
This is the survival of Joe Biden, and the mission is to tell and
to let the American people know thatJoe Biden is still fit to be President

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of the United States. But Igo back to what I said a moment
ago, you cannot unsee what we'veseen. And what we saw Thursday night
was an eighty one year old man, eighty two president of the United States
who wants to be in office foranother four years. And what is that

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a client going to be like?You can't stop it. It's age.
It happens to all of us.But the administration and the people around him
are trying to convince all of usthat he can make it for another four
years. We all get to decidethat on November fifth. All right,
Mare, coming up on the rodOur Kent Show. Great to be with
you on this Tuesday afternoon. We'vegot a lot to do today, including

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more tickets to see Hoody and theBlowfish, more tickets to see Kenny Chesney.
We'll do those throughout the show todayright here on Utah's Talk Radio one
oh five nine KNRS. Some newpolls have come out and it shows that
Donald Trump is in fact gaining groundon Joe Biden in a major swing state,

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and we're talking about Pennsylvania. Surveytaken June fourteenth to the nineteenth found
that in this really vital background state, it showed that forty seven percent of
respondents would vote for the Republican candidatein the presidential election, forty eight percent
would choose Joe Biden. So thatrace has tightened considerably because up until that

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recent poll, most of the pollingdone in Pennsylvania have basically shown that Joe
Biden has a comfortable lead. Butnow it is tight as can be and
it spells more and more trouble forDonald Trump. Also poll finding that Trump
is soaring in other polling Americans concernabout Biden's health and competency. A new

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poll found that more Americans believe formerPresident Donald Trump won the CNN presidential debate
and then those who say Joe Bidenwon the Harvard Capps Harris Pole also found
that Trump was heavily favored to winthe election after soaring by six percent in
the latest head to head competition.Right now, so respondents say that inflation

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was a top concern, followed byimmigration and the economy. But my guest
right now is the other top concernright now now is about Joe Biden's ability
and his fitness to be able tobe president of the United States for the
next four years. Because that's whatit comes down to. And I think,
you know, American American voters aren'tstupid, they really I think we

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all realized that as we looked atthat debate last week. Now we know
those of us on the conservative sidehad been pointing out challenges facing Joe Biden
ever since he got into office,and you can see the decline was from
when he took over in twenty oneto today in twenty twenty four, in

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three three and a half years now, a sharp decline in his mental and
physical fitness. You can see it, and the American people finally got a
chance to see it. The mediahas been hiding this and as a result
of that, the American people didn'trealize it. Even people within his own

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staff, close friends have seen instancesof what's going on with Joe Biden,
and they aren't confronting this. Theyneed to talk about this. They need
to explain to the American people whatis going on? I mean, Koren
Jean Pierre today was asked directly ifJoe Biden has to mention as Alzheimer's or

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if something else is going on withhim, and she said no. Now
interesting. She was also asked aboutdrugs that Joe Biden may have taken before
the debate. She said he didnot take any cold medicine. She didn't
mention any other drugs. Interesting,isn't as good on the phone. See

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what you're saying about all of thistonight eight eight eight five seven eight zero
one zero on your cell phone dialpound two fifteen and say, hey,
Rod, let's talk to Kyle onI fifteen tonight. Kyle, how are
you welcome to the Rod Arcuat show. Rod, Thanks for having me.
I really appreciate ate it. Quitea hot topic that got going on today.
Boy sure is man the survival,the survival of Joe Biden is underway

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and I don't think he'll survive,but who knows. You never know what's
on your mind, Kyle. Sowhat I wanted to say is there's there's
two points that I wanted to makethe first one is the gig is up,
and the media realized that they've beenhiding this all along. And what
happened was and I think the reasonwhy they all came out on unison is

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because they could not deny the factthat it was exposed to the average American
we all saw with our eyes,and they could not they could not continue
to you know, you know,I can't think of that word for it.
They couldn't cover for him anymore.They couldn't cover for him anymore,

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Kyle, I mean, they justyou know, go ahead really quick.
I just want to also say thepowers that even in the Republican Party,
unfortunately, whatever the long game they'replaying, I'm a little I really think
that when Donald Trump won, HillaryClinton's motto was resist, Resist, resists,

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and everything that the Democrats did wasdisrupt his presidency. Well, there's
been so many things that I wouldif would have happened to President Trump or
any of the boys, you know, Eric or John Nidby in jail,
they would be impeach and everything willthe Robert Herr report. He actually said

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in a legal document that Biden wasnot competent to stand trial because he would
be viewed as an elderly man andthat right there that should invoke this twenty
fifth Amendment if he's not, ifhe's seriously not able to to you know,
function. And then also the factthat Congress of Pena those that interview

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and it was the information was givenin written form, but they would be
Merrick Garland would not release the audio. Merrett Garland also is covering for Joe
Biden. He sure is. Coleand you made a very interesting connection her
report in the twenty fifth Amendment.If the her report indicated that Joe Biden

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is too old to stand trial becausehe forgets things, couldn't that be used
to apply the twenty fifth Amendment here? Interesting? All right, more of
the run our catch you coming upon Utah's Talk Radio one oh five nine
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tickets to see Hoody and the Blowfish. More coming up on the rod Ar
Kent Show and Utah's Talk Radio oneoh five nine knrs. You've got this
story breaking tonight. This is comingfrom MSNBC, so it must be credible,
right, it must be. It'sMSNBC when they are reporting tonight that
Hunter Biden, who is a drugaddict and a convicted felon, has been

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sitting in on Joe Biden's meetings inthe White House since the debate last week.
In other words, Hunter Biden isnow making decisions that may be impacting
our country. What a frightening thoughtthat is. Speaking of Joe Biden,
his deputy campaign manager said this theother day, after the debate on Thursday
and the Supreme Court ruling yesterday onimmunity, that he is scared as you

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know what, after Trump's immunity ruling. The Democrats are freaking out about this,
as is the liberal media in thiscountry. Let's find out what's going
on. Joining us on our newsmakerline to talk about this is Brett Tolman,
former US Attorney for Utah, executivedirector of Right on Crime. Brett,
how are you welcome back to theRight Arcca show. Ern, Thanks

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for having me. Have you everseen the Democrats freak out like they're doing
right now over this immunity ruling?Brett? No, I really haven't.
I guess I shouldn't have been surprisedthey're seeing it as an opportunity. But
Rod, I'll tell you. Imean, this is clearly the law before

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this decision came out was unofficial actsby the president do not have immunity,
and official do. And the lawafter this decision is unofficial acts don't have
immunity, and official acts do.There's been no change in the law by
the Supreme Court. Yeah, Imean, you know. And if that's

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the case, Brett, what arethey most concerned about as a result of
its ruling. They're concerned about areally low IQ and analysis dissent that was
put out by the three liberal justicesthat tried to argue that this immunity has

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been broadened and it creates a presidentabove the law. And then cited some
absurd examples that a president could issuea drone strike against their political opponent and
immunity would protect them. It doesn'teven pass the laugh test. I mean
this is that would be an unofficialact, no immunity. That would be

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murder, and you could prosecute apresident for murder. Didn't so Mayor come
out and say, well, hecould hire the Navy seals kill a political
opponent as well. I mean,where where where did she come up with
that idea? Brett? I thinkin their world, they they want to

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be able to show that that thepresident needs to be reined in based on
Trump's conduct that that they've they've boughthook going and sinker the left's version of
what his conduct was, whether it'sactive or not. And the thing that
surprises me and I was surprised Rodthat this was not a un unanimous decision,

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because this also would apply to severalthings that that that Biden has done
while in office, and and thisimmunity would would protect any president regardless of
their you know, their political affiliation, and and it should be that way
because that's the executive branch is oneman. And if you allow a president

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to prosecute former presidents in order tomaintain power, then you know we've lost
our three branches of the government system. You know, Bran I was thinking
the exact thing thing after Biden cameout yesterday and made his statement about the
ruling. I thought, does JoeBiden realize he will be protected by this
ruling just like Donald Trump will beprotected by this ruling? Didn't he didn't

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he realize that? Bretton? Yeah, I guess he didn't realize it.
But I'm not sure he's realizing much. It doesn't sound like it, Brett,
It sure does, Brett. Doyou think in this ruling, whatever
they said yesterday, they have theystruck a proper balance when it comes to
presidential immunity. Do you think they'vebeen able to do that with this ruling?

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Yeah, this ruling does not changeimmunity laws what it did in the
new part of this The only thingthat did, which is very very important,
is it said Jack Smith or anyprosecutor in the future, if you're
going to prosecute a former president,and if the prosecution touches on any official
or constitutional conduct, then and thatevidence cannot be used in the prosecution.

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And so it's requiring for the firsttime, and it's very important that people
understand this. It's requiring for thefirst time that if a prosecutor is going
to prosecute a president for things thatoccurred while he was president, they have
to put on the evidence before theycharge him and determine whether or not it's
unofficial or official conduct. And thatis not you know, that's not mind

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blowing, you know, legal analysisby the court. It's sound, and
it's protective, and it makes surethat we're not going to go after the
president of the United States when wedon't have the facts and the law to
support such a prosecution. We're talkingright now with Brett Tolman, former US
Attorney for Utah, executive director ofRight on Crime. Let me ask you

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this, Brett, Aren't there alreadychecks and balances in place within the structure
of this government to protect the Americanpeople from a president who wants to get
away with murder? Aren't there checksand balances? Don't they already exist?
Brett? Well, they do.They absolutely exist, and they've been there.
They've been in place forever. TheFramers understood that the executive branch was

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going to wield the power to takeaway somebody's somebody's civil liberties, and so
they put checks and balances on it, and they made sure that the executive
branch could not make the law,and that the executive branch was not also
going to be, you know,judging whether or not the law is being
followed. That is our system ofgovernment. And so when I hear all

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of this crying that this is youknow, democracy is dead in the United
States. No, this is ourrepublic absolutely working the way it was supposed
to. Right. I think you'vealready heard that the judge there in New
York and the Alvin Bragg case haspushed the sentencing for Donald Trump back to
September, since Trump's attorney asked themto look at this case and if this

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immunity ruling applies in that case,what does this do? Writ in your
opinion for the Jack Smith case againstDonald Trump, I think every single case
has a bit of a problem becausethe Supreme Court was very clear to say,
if there is if there is anyevidence used to support a charge,

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regardless of whether the charge itself isabout official conduct or unofficial conduct, if
there's any evidence that is official conduct, then it cannot be used and We
know that they there was evidence inthe Manhattan case of Donald Trump making phone
calls writing checks as president of theUnited States. We know that Fanny Willis

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has evidence that was admitted to phonecalls and other activities that were done while
he was in office. And thenthe Jack Smith cases, both of which
you know mar A Lago and WashingtonDC relied on evidence that occurred while Donald
Trump was in office. So everysingle one of them is in jeopardy.

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They have to be able to showthat there's no official conduct evidence that was
utilized in any way in any ofthe prosecutions. Bred As always, we
enjoy your insight and your analysis.Thank you very much, and enjoy the
July fourth weekend. Coming up,Thank you, Brett, you two all
right? All right, that's BrettTolman. He is former us SO turning
for UTAH and executive director of theOrganization of Right on Crime. All Right,

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more coming up on the Rod ArcKetcho. Great to be with you
on this Tuesday afternoon right here onUtah's Talk Radio one oh five nine KNRS.
Boy's turning out to be a badday for Joe Biden. I mean,
Joe Biden apologized again today for thedebate. They're doing everything they can
now to get him out in frontof the public. Kaurine Jean Pierre had

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a very very tough day in herWhite House briefing. That's the first briefing
that took place today following the debateon Tuesday night, and all the questions
were quote a surprised media that JoeBiden is in fact suffering from a mental
and physical decline. There's another storyout today in the New York Times talking

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about that these Freedze moments or seniormoments that he has are increasing all the
time, and you know, thepressure is simply mounting on Joe Biden.
You had a Democrat come out today, Lloyd Daggan. He is a er,
a Democrat from the state of Texas, who said today Joe's time to

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get off the ticket and it's timefor the party to move forward. The
question is, though, for alot of Democrats, who do we replace
him with? You know, ifthey don't know, if they ignore Kamala
Harris and do not put her atthe head of the ticket, you know,
think about this, what is thatgoing to do for the black vote

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and black support among the Democratic Party. There is word that even her own
campaign staff, her staff and closefriends of Kamala Harris are very upset that
people are talking about replacing her witha white guy, Gavin Newsom, and
that is upsetting a lot of peopleon that side. So there's so much

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going on today. You've got thisstory that I shared with you before the
break before we talk to Brett Toleman, that MSNBC is reporting that Hunter Biden
is now sitting in on meetings withhis father at the White House after the
debate on Thursday night. Hunter Bidenreally And then you've got a story out
today, Well, this has beenout for a couple of days. You

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may not be aware of this,but Joe Biden, do you really think
she cares or gives a you knowwhat about the American people? I mean,
Joe Biden who insist on being calleddoctor even though she okay, she
has a doctorate in education. She'snot the doctor who takes care of you
medically, but she insists on beingthe doctor. Well she is doing to

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her husband is argue, you know, you could argue that it is elderly
abuse. You know, she isrefusing to acknowledge that he has his moments
he is president of the United States. Can we as a country afford a
person who has his moments? Nowthere's a new excuse coming out today from

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the White House and from Biden himselfabout the debate last week. Remember last
week about what ten or fifteen minutesinto the debate, you know, and
it was obvious that Joe Biden washaving a difficult night that all of a
sudden, the White House put outa news release. Oh, by the
way, Joe Biden is battling acold. He's battling a cold. Okay,

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that was new. Nobody told usahead of time that the President was
suffering from a cold. Well.Now there's another story out today that Biden
is blaming his foreign travel on hisbait performance last Thursday. He's traveled a
lot, you know, He's beenback and forth to Europe a couple of
times over the last month or so. One of them was for the eightieth

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anniversary of D Day. And nowBiden is saying, you know what,
it was all that travel that justcaught up to me. So you've got
travel, You've got a cold.You've got a man who's what eighty one
eighty two years old, suffering frommental decline and physical decline as well.

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And now you've got alarm bells goingoff inside the White House. Reports coming
out again tonight that the number onetopic in the White House right now is
Joe Biden's health, you know,and those of us on the conservative side
of things, and we've talked aboutthis on this show, national shows have
talked about it. We've all recognizedthat Joe Biden is facing a decline.

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It is age. There's nothing theycan do to turn this around. And
I hope as voters head to thepolls here in November, the one question
they need to ask themselves is willhe be fit to continue running the country
for the next four years? AndI don't know how. You say he'll

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be just fine unless there's a miracledrug out there, I don't see how
he's going to be fit. Andby the way, everyone says, well,
what about the polls, Well maybeso far. The most credible poll
so far in all of this isa CNN poll and it shows after the
debate pole taken after the debate,that Donald Trump now leads Joe Biden by

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six percentage points. He's never hada lead like that before in the race
against Joe Biden. The New YorkTimes is reporting in the days leading up
to the debate, remember the sixseven days of preparation time where he went
to Camp David with all his topadvisors, sixteen of them advising him,
getting him ready going over policy policystatements for the debate. New New York

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Times is reporting that none of thosemeetings started before eleven o'clock in the morning,
so Joe could have plenty of timein the morning to rest up.
They're also reporting that every afternoon JoeBiden was given a nappy pooh, so
that you know the rigors of theday in prepping for this, he needed

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a nap, That's what the NewYork Times was reporting tonight. He needed
a little nappy pool so he wouldbe better, I mean, And the
White House said, can we justturn the page on this? Courne John
Pierre, you need to understand thatthis is the story that is not going
to go away, and it's onlygoing to get worse. You've got to
hear this. I want you tolisten very carefully, because Joe Biden,

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of course, came out yesterday inresponse to the Supreme Court ruling on immunity
presidential immunity now they had him out. Today he was he went to the
National Hurricane Center as the nation preparesfor hurricane season. He was reading off
a teleprompter. Listen to what happened. More people die from extreme heat than
floods, hurricanes, and tornadoes combined. Say that again, combine more people

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die from heat. Say that again. Was on the teleprompter, reminding him
to say that again, but heread, say that again. It's like
the last time. I remember hewas reading from the teleprompter and he made
a statement waiting for applause, andit said pause, and he read pause.
I mean, Joe Biden is supposedto be an expert on all of

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this, right when it comes toa teleprompter. Well, today here he
is again teleprompter instructions in parentheses onthe prompter saying say that again. And
he said, say that. Itjust the guy's lost it, folks,
and it is not going to getany better. And how much longer can
the White House hold all of thisoff. Joe Biden has got to get

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out there and talk to the Americanpeople, but they are so afraid of
what could be happening to him.All Right, we're going to get into
this more of your calls, butI saw this story the other day for
my next guest, John Goodman.John Goodman is a contributor to town Hall.
He wrote a really interesting article aboutwhy we hate each other? Why
do we hate each other in thiscountry? We're a divided nation. The

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country has been divided before, sowhy do we hate each other? And
John is joining us on our Newsmakerline to talk about that. John,
thank you very much for joining ustonight. John. We have been divided
before. I've seen the country dividedover Watergate, over the Vietnam War.
Does this division in the country rightnow is it any different from other periods
in American history? I think it'svery different. We can think about divisions

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in the past. We were dividedover the Vietnam War. We were divided
over school desegregation. Back in thenineteenth century, we fore of Civil war.
Those were disagreements over real issues.The issues dividing us today. We're
probably more polarized than we've been infifty years. But is it because of

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some policy difference. I don't thinkso. I think the real problem is
we're starting the tribes, and thetribes don't like each other. How do
we divide ourselves into tribes, Johan, what do you think happened, Well,
it's not like you ask to bea member and get a card or
anything. But I think what happenedwith Donald Trump is that he had a

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certain style that caused people to sort. You know, the highly educated,
upper income people tended to not likeTrump, and the blue collar workers like
him a lot. They're the onesthat go to the rallies. And so
where we are now is Biden andTrump could propose the same policy. It

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it came from Trump, all theBiden people would hate it. It became
from Biden, all the Trump peoplewould hate it. And that's what I
mean by tribalism. John, Let'stalk about some of the issues that made
dividing us abortion, you talk aboutclimate change. There are a number of
issues. There are those based onpolicy or those based on tribalism. Do
you think, well, let's let'stake abortion. You think we're divided over

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abortion, But the fact is thereare two extreme positions. It should always
be legal or never be legal.And the people who care most passionately about
abortion are at those two extremes.And if they were in the room to
go, they'd be yelling at eachother, maybe insulting each other. But
polling going back as far as theoriginal Row decision shows that most of the

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country has been in the middle.And some think, you know, you
should be legal up to three months, somebody else four months, five months.
Now, people who think that waycan sit around a dinner table and
they won't be yelling at each otherand they won't get mad. And so
that's what I mean by the factthat the country isn't divided over an issue

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like abortion. The country is dividedover who's in whose tribe? John,
what about this this ongoing battle betweenJoe Biden and Donald Trump and their supporters.
I mean, you know there arepeople who support Joe Biden, some
say primarily because they simply hate DonaldTrump and hate his supporters. What happened

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there is how did that come about? Do you think, John, Well,
however it came about, That's whatI mean by tribal. These people
are not disagreeing over what to doabout social security, what to do about
taxes. That's not what's dividing them. They're divided by forming different tribes to
the tribes don't like each other.I saw a poll the other day that

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said, do you think that yourlife would be happiest if you put having
a family and having children as yourhighest priority? And I think nineteen percent
of Biden supporters agreed with that,but over half of Trump's supporters agreed with
it. So what does that tellyou? That's telling you that people in
these two tribes aren't living life thesame way, they don't look at life

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the same way, John, andthey're aware of it. Yeah, John,
how does social media play into allof this? Because the choices out
there now, there's so many morethan when I was growing up and probably
when you were growing up. Doall those choices play a role in this,
John, I think they play ahuge role. I saw a colin
the other day that said, fiftyyears ago, we all saw the same

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movies, we saw the same televisionprograms, but there weren't very many,
and we listened to the same radio. But today you can be completely different
from other people around you and yourchoice of what to watch, what to
listen to. And so social mediaallows us to form little tribes of our

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own, and our experience, whatwe learn, what we see can be
completely different from our neighbor. John. The next four months, as we
head into November. What do yousee happening there? Is it going to
become even more in zens and moreand divided even more as we get closer
to election day? Well? Ithink so, But again the division is

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Trump versus Biden, not what todo about social Security or taxes or even
trade. And I've been pressed inhealthcare where I'm looking at two huge programs,
Medicare advantage for seniors and the Obamacareexchanges for people buying their own insurance.
And they both these programs have thesame intellectual roots. I mean,

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they started out looking very similar,but one was created by Republicans, the
other by Democrats, and Republicans hateObamacare and Democrats hate There are a lot
of hate Medicare advantage just because theother party created it. John, do
you see a time when we comeout of this divide? Is it going
to take a while? Do youbelieve OT see us coming out very soon?

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And again, social media doesn't encourageSocial media does not encourage us to
have rational discussions with people we disagreewith. John Goodman. He is a
contributor to town Hall, writing anarticle that we just talked about entitled why
we hate each other? All Right? When we come back on the Tuesday
afternoon edition of The Rod our KenShow. We'll open up the phones to

(38:22):
you. We'll talk about why wehate each other, maybe react to what
John had to say about tribalism.And we've all gone into our own tribes
nowadays and we don't talk to eachother that we agree on more than we
disagree on. A's debatable, butwe also can carry on. I said,
I'll give you an update on myfeelings about Joe Biden staying in the

(38:42):
race, and we'll talk about thatand get your reaction to that. It
has not been a good day forJoe Biden and his campaign to be reelected.
We'll run down some of the thingsthat have happened today and get more
of your reaction. It's all comingup on the Rod our Ken Show.
Great to be with you on thisTuesday afternoon. If you want to be
a part of our discussion, linesare now open to you eight eight eight

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five seven eight zero one zero,triple eight five seven eight zero one zero,
or on your cell phone dial poundtwo fifty and say hey, Rod,
your calls, your comments coming upright here on the Rod Arcuat Show.
Am I allowed to change my mindme, you know you decide you
may have changed your mind. YesterdayI came on the show and I talked

(39:23):
about the fact that I leading intothe meeting Sunday at Camp David with Joe
Biden and his family. I thought, Okay, they're going to convince Papa
Joe to step aside and let someoneelse represent the Democratic Party in the race

(39:43):
for the White House this November.But then Monday, the family came out
and there were poor reports coming outeven on Sunday night that the family was
standing solidly behind Joe, told himto stay in the race, and that
he had the sport of his wife, his sister, and hunter By,
and I thought, okay, he'snot going anywhere. Well, now,

(40:05):
all of a sudden, it soundslike the White House is falling apart.
Let me give you a couple ofreasons. First of all, the media
now feels free. I don't knowwhy they've been waiting so long. They
really disappointed the American people with theirduty to keep the American people informed.
They wanted to protect Joe Biden.But now apparently it is okay to talk

(40:29):
about his cognitive decline. It's fine, okay, and they are I mean,
there are reports out from the NewYork Times today. Peter Baker and
Maggie Hagerman, who follow the WhiteHouse very closely, tonight, have a
list in the New York Times aboutall the physical or mental failings of Joe

(40:51):
Biden over the last year and ahalf to two years. You wouldn't have
seen that two weeks ago. Youhave the New York Post reporting tonight and
political. They're picking up on apolitical story tonight that there are some White
House staffers who have been forced totiptoe around President Biden when briefing him on
certain topics because they want to avoideliciting his wrath. And some say they

(41:17):
are scared poopless. I can't saythe other word, but they're scared poopless
of him. According to this reporttonight, it's like this a quote from
the story. It's like, youcan't include that that will set him off
or put that in. He likedthat. That's what a senior administrated and
official told Political Today. So nowyou have the medium who now feels free,

(41:44):
I guess to report on his cognitivedecline. So what is going on
here? I mean, do youknow if there is a concerted effort to
get Joe Biden to step away,to get out of the race. Yes,
okay, what is their backup plan? You know, you know you

(42:07):
can never trust the Democrats. ButI said yesterday during the show yesterday that
after seeing everything that was going onon over the weekend and the support that
Biden had from his family, thathe was not going to drop out of
the race. I'm gonna change mymind. I think he's done now.
My cohorting crime, my wingman,Greg Hughes, has been telling me for

(42:32):
a long time he will not bethe Democratic nominee come November. His name
will not be on the ballot.And I've gone back and forth with Greg
on this and with many of youthinking now he's not going anywhere. But
in light of the events of thepast twenty four hours, with all the
reports now coming out with the youknow, you have staffers who are apparently

(42:57):
scared poopless of the guy, andyou know, stories about this wacky story
tonight from MSNBC saying that Hunter Bidensends the debate on Thursday night and sends
the family meeting on Sunday. HunterBiden is now sitting in with the president

(43:20):
uncritical policy meetings. I'm not sureyou about you, but that scares the
living daylights out of me, andit should out of you as well.
But you've got reports after reports.The media they see a story, and
remember what drives media is ratings.Ratings get a money, so there's you
gotta follow the money on all ofthis. Now the media feels free to

(43:44):
go after Joe Biden. They protectedhim long enough. Donald Trump when he
was President of the United States andstill today did America a favor I think
when he exposed the media, andthey're being exposed even more tonight because up
until last Thursday, they were allsupportive of Biden. They kept on telling

(44:07):
the American people, just parroting whatthey have been told by White House staff,
that he's in better health than everbefore, and they didn't question it.
Now, all of a sudden,it's a free fall and they can
go attack Joe Biden as much asthey want. They have failed the American
people, So I've changed my mind. I don't think Joe Biden is going

(44:29):
to survive this. I don't thinkhe is. I thought a couple of
days ago he would, but asmore and more stories coming out, the
rats are coming out they're fleeing theship. They're starting to tell the real
story. And we've all wondered aboutwhat's really going on in the White House.
Well now we're getting a better pictureof it today. That's why I
think Joe Biden is not going tobe on the ticket come November. Agree

(44:52):
or disagree eight eight eight five seveneight zero one zero eight eight eight five
seven o eight zero one zero,or on your cell phone, dit pound
two fifty and say hey, Rod, your calls, your comments coming up
right here on the Rod Arquet Show. We're talking about a couple of things
tonight. First of all, whywe hate each other? Had an interview
with John Goodman, who wrote anarticle in town Hall. Says it all

(45:14):
comes back to tribalism. Because ofsocial media, we have all gone into
our little neighborhoods or our tribes andreally hate the other side. You know,
And you can tell me if youagree or disagree with that. In
a way, I think I wouldagree with him a little bit, not
completely, but I would agree withhim a little bit. The other thing

(45:36):
is what is going on with JoeBiden. I said on Monday, just
yesterday, after last Thursday, andseeing that he met with his family and
they came out in strong support ofJoe Biden. That I said he's going
to be the nominee in November.But after all the events which have taken
place today and the Democrats are finallygetting honest about Joe Biden. They're finally

(46:02):
telling the American people what many ofus have seen on the surface for quite
some time, that Joe Biden wasin decline. But now we're getting the
details of that decline because those withinthe White House are starting to say,

(46:23):
whoof this is? Joe Biden isnot the same person. They're walking around
in tiptoes. They're talking about.You know, Carl Bernstein, who talked
to people who are apparently very closeto the former or to the current president,
set on CNN with Anderson Cooper lastnight that the people you've talked to

(46:45):
have pointed out fifteen to twenty occasionsin just the last year where Joe Biden
is frozen up, and you know, so you've got the world starting to
crash down on Joe Biden. Now, Joe Biden will sit down with ABC
and George Snuffhalofagus on Friday night totry and calm everyone down. I don't

(47:07):
know if he'll be able to dothat. Like I said at the start
of the show this afternoon, ifyou are listening, we can't unsee what
we've seen. What we have seenis a president in decline, a president
who he may have just been anoff night. But can we as a
country afford a president who has anoff night or an off day. We

(47:32):
can't afford that anymore, not theway the world is today. And if
you think we can, then goahead and vote for Joe Biden. But
I don't think we can afford havinga president who has an off night,
had a bad night. We can'tafford that anymore. Eight eight eight five
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zero, or on your cell phonedial pound two fifty and say hey,
rod let's go to the phone.See what you have to say to night.
We begin in Lehigh with Ray,Ray, how are you welcome to
the rod arkad Show. Good good, thank you, and it is a
beautiful day. You know, wehuman beings are all tribal. We've always

(48:13):
been tribal. And within the frameworkof the tribe, you have the powerful
and then you have the have notsMM hm okay. So that has to
be gotten straight. We are alltribal. This experiment of America has attempted
to make us communal. It doesn'twork. So what happens is when you
have a breakdown, the tribalism comesto the foe because it's in our nature.

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But here's the thing. The onlything that can combat tribalism in our
culture is a national tragedy. Youget a presidential assassination, you get a
nine to eleven, you get anuclear confrontation with one of the other three
world powers, and I include NorthKorea in that statement, then you're going

(48:58):
to see the true break down.The facade of tribalism will begin to break
down. But that's the only timeother than that. If it doesn't happen,
if we don't have a national tragedy, we're doomed. So unfortunately,
that's the way it is. Asto Biden, go ahead, right,
go ahead, go ahead, completeyour thoughts as to Biden today, when

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the bimbo and drag as the WhiteHouse spokeswoman addressed the reporters in the room,
she brought up the fact that afterthe debate, when he went to
the watch party, he was amazing. He was greasing palms Robin heads.
Not a single reporter in that roombrought up the fact that Jill had to

(49:44):
help him down two stairs. Yep, he could not get down the stairs
on his own, and not oneof them challenged her, and she rod,
that's the problem. We don't havea media that challenges these liars.
You know, I don't know.Why do you think that's going to change
now, though, Ray? BecauseI get a sense that they feel free

(50:06):
to talk about his cognitive decline.They haven't been free before, but now
apparently they can. Here's the onlyreason that's going to change. It's because
they knew that they knew about thisfour years ago. But the problem was
they wanted to usher this guy in. He did not expect Trump to come
back like this. Trump is athreat to everything they're trying to do.

(50:29):
Biden's got to go so they thatthey can get somebody in there that can
possibly be see it. It's notjust Trump, it's hundreds of millions of
us. Now. Yeah, theirexperiment failed. Yep, Yeah, I
agree with you, Ray. Thankyou for that very very good comment.
And you make a point, ifyou know, if we've all lived in

(50:50):
tribes, like Ray was pointing out, we have had communal togetherness at times,
certainly nine to eleven, certainly WorldWar One and World War Two.
We've come together at times. Butit's interesting the country has survived even with
all the tribes, and I thinkthere are more tribes in the country today
than we've ever had before. Backto the phones we go. Let's talk
with Brian, who's in Bluffdale tonighthere on the road Arcutcho Brian, how

(51:15):
are you? Thanks very much forjoining us, Rod. There is no
way they're going to allow Joe Bidento get off the ticket. You don't
think so. You don't think so. It would be an admission of guilt
on the part of the Democrat Party. Okay, they can't allow him to

(51:36):
leave. They're in a box.What are they going to do? Tamala
Harris are serious? I mean,really think about it. You've got one.
You've got an idiot who can't standup, versus an idiot who can't
stop laughing at jokes that she doesn'teven understand herself. So I really don't

(52:00):
see them having a choice but topush him forward and just to actually see
the outcome. But based on whatwe saw in twenty twenty. Maybe there's
something in the fix. We don'tknow. I believe that election was stolen,
and a lot of other people dotoo, whether or not they other

(52:21):
people believe that. I don't reallycare. You know, the fix was
in and it's obvious. Yeah,And I'm with you on this, Brian.
I do not trust the Democrats asfar as I can throw. I'm
sorry, I just I just thinkthere's something out there, something they're doing
or they're going to do, witheither the vote or with Joe Biden.

(52:43):
I don't think he'll be on theticket anymore. I honestly believe they cannot
stand the heat that his decline iscausing right now. They can't stand it.
But I agree with you. Whatdo they do if that's the case.
I mean, who do they goto? Kamala Harris, Gavin Newsom
Rod, Oh you mean hair jail? Are you kidding? Hair jail?

(53:07):
Are you gonna wait a minute?They're just waiting for you to get your
bird flu shot? Yeah? Allright, Brian, thank you? All
right, let's uh, you knowwhat, I've got some calls. I
want to get to them, butI want to give you time, So
let me take a break. Rightnow, and we'll come back with more
of your phone calls. Back tothe phones we go. Here on the
rod ar can show eighty eight eightfive seven zero one zero, or on

(53:30):
your cell phone, I'll pound twoto fifteen. Say hey, Rod,
let's go to Chris in South Jordantonight. Here on the rod ar can
show Chris, thanks for waiting patiently, what's on your mind tonight? Hey
Ron, thanks for taking my call. You're welcome. I definitely think that
yes, we are tribalism like thatlast caller, but I don't know so
much if it's for like team Trumpand Team Biden are Republican or Democrat.

(53:52):
I think it's more of like themainstream media followers and the believers of them,
compared to the truth seekers and thepeople that know their's lives. Also
along with like the main street media, they're the ones that have been force
fed and brainwashed into I hate Trump. He's the worst thing ever. He's

(54:15):
hit where, this, this,and whatnot. Yeah, you know,
the media has done everything they can, along with their Democratic allies, to
try and convince the American people thatDonald Trump is a real threat to democracy,
haven't they? Chris and I don'tthink the American people have, yeah,
but I don't think the American peoplebelieve it. I think the American

(54:37):
people have faith in the goodness ofAmerica. And you know, he is
not going to destroy this country.He may change the country and maybe change
it for the better. We'll haveto wait and see if he's elected and
what he can do. But whathe's looking at, I think a lot
of the American people agree with whathe's thinking about because they do want change.

(54:58):
They do want Washington shape changed,they want things getting done, and
right now we don't see that takingplace. The elites are benefiting from what's
going on in this country, butthe American people are saying, how about
everybody benefit? And I think that'swhat Donald Trump is trying to work for.
Would you agree or disagree? Chrisdefinitely agree with that. And those
are the people that you know,stuck with him in twenty sixteen and pushed

(55:22):
him over the edge to you know, get the presidency. I think now
with all the well even back thentoo, they said that he was going
to start World War three, We'regoing to go into recessions, We're going
to go into all this stuff.When we're on the verge of all of
that now with their mainstream media presidentthat they want. So I mean,
everybody's seen it now, and soI just think it's going to be even

(55:45):
more bigger of you know, votefor Trump, because you if you watch
anything, if you look into anything, there's no way that it's cheap faces
of Biden. Like like you saidbefore, he can't even make it down
the one step after the debate.Ye. Yeah, And you don't hear
you don't hear the White House talkingabout cheap fakes anymore, do you,

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Chris Well, Yeah, that lastedabout a week. And it's like it's
the same with a lot of theyou know, conspiracy theorists. They used
to be conspiracy theists and this,you know, all the bad stuff that
was going to happen with these conspiracytheists, and then three months, six
months later, it becomes true.And that's how it's been for a long
time. So they go for thetruth seekers and all that. One other

(56:25):
things that you did ask sure theydid say earlier in the show is that
one of the things that was dividingthis country back in the day was Watergate.
Watergate was spying on the other person'scampaign, right, and so that
sounds kind of familiar with what happenedin twenty sixteen, and that didn't,
you know, become as big becausethere was the mainstream media's that was doing

(56:51):
this by it. Yeah, yeah, covering it up. You're right,
Chris, Chris, you said somethinginteresting. Thank you, by the way
for your phone call. I wantto take you back to nineteen eighty those
of you who are in nineteen eightywhen Ronald Reagan was running for President of
the United States. The media triedto convince the American people that if he
was elected president of the United States, which he was not only in eighty

(57:13):
and in eighty four, that hewould start World War three with the Russians.
Didn't happen, did it. RonaldReagan's approach was, we are going
to outspend them on defense. Weare going to ruin their economy. They
cannot compete with us, and theycouldn't. And look what happened to the
Soviet Union. So fears about DonaldTrump wanting to start World War three,

(57:37):
Ronald Reagan showed our enemies at thetime, America is not deterred. We
will remain strong. I think DonaldTrump will portray the same feeling to those
who are opposed to us, hewill stand up to him and he won't
put up with their bs. Andyou know, Joe Biden can't do that.
I mean we've seen examples of whatJoe Biden can do office what January

(58:00):
of about eight months and we hadthe disaster in Afghanistan that sent a clear
signal to our enemies that America isweak. And now we have all these
stories coming out of Europe from theEuropean leaders who say, you know what,
by Gully, we noticed the declinein Joe Biden as well. We

(58:22):
noticed that as well, and nowthat's starting to come out. So as
Glenn Beck said yesterday, I believeand I think he made a very good
point. It may have been onthird, it may have been Friday after
the debate. I think right nowthis country is in a very dangerous situation
because the world has seen our leader, not cheap fakes, not massage videos.

(58:46):
We saw firsthand last Thursday night.The world is nervous and the American
people should be nervous as well.Let's see if we get one more call
in before the break. Let's goto Doug and Draper. Doug, you've
got about one minute, go ahead, Oh, thanks, Rod, I
just wanted to say that I wouldn'ttrust Joe Biden with the keys in my

(59:07):
pickup. No, we shouldn't bethis country every day. Yeah, we
should be taking those keys away,Doug. That's a hard decision for families
to take the keys away from agingparents, but the American people need to
take the keys away from Joe Biden. And unlike what I said yesterday,
I've changed my mind. I donot think he is going to survive this,

(59:30):
and I do not think he willbe on the ticket. Now.
My wingman is probably laughing right nowif he's listening to this, because he's
predicted that all along. I've foughtit, but after seeing what happened Thursday
and the event since Thursday, especiallytoday, with more and more reports coming
up about his decline, you knowthey're going to continue. He is not

(59:51):
going to get any better. AndJoe Biden, despite the fact MSNBC and
Mika Brzhinsky would wish it would happen, Joe Biden is not going to be
the comeback kit. All right,We've got a great hour coming your way.
We're going to talk more about JoeBiden, the hard choices facing Joe
Biden. We'll talk about that.We'll dig into this ruling from the US

(01:00:13):
Supreme Court which will allow municipalities andcounties throughout the country to ban camping when
it comes to homelessness, we'll talkabout that. We'll also talk about what
is going on with food prices.I mean, the Biden administration continues to
insist food prices are just fine.Inflation is coming down, but the American
people they aren't feeling it. Andwe'll talk about that. But let's start

(01:00:35):
off this hour talking about politics herein the state of Utah. It is
still too close to cole. I'mtalking about Utah's second congressional district. It
may come down to a recount.We don't know that as of yet.
But right now celest malloy is leadingher challenger, Colby Jenkins, by about
three hundred and nine points. Now, not all the precincts have been counted

(01:00:55):
as of yet. The remaining precinctsare mostly in that's all Lake County,
which may give Celeste molloy a littlebit more of a lead, But we'll
have to wait and see and we'llkeep our eye on that for you as
well. Now, what happened inthe primary and at the caucus convention.
He's raising questions again about the caucusconvention system here in the state of Utah.

(01:01:17):
He had a few of the winnerswho won at the Kaukas who won
the primary, but most of thepeople who won in the convention battles did
not win in the primary, raisingnew questions now about the effectiveness of the
caucus convention system. Joining us onour Newsmaker line to talk about that is
Derek Monson. He is the publicpolicy director at the Sutherland Institut. Derek,

(01:01:37):
we appreciate a few minutes of yourtime. You write about this and
you say, what needs to happennow is to identify who and what is
a Republican party today. Why isthat question so important? Derek, Well,
it's important because it really starts todrive it the question of how we
do our nomination systems, you know, our primary elections. Because you know,

(01:02:00):
as I raised in the article,the party might be the leadership of
the party, you know, theelected leaders, the chair, the Central
Committee, the delegates who get nominatedand voting convention. And if that's the
case, then the outcomes of theconvention are and the most important thing that
happens in terms of nominating candidates forthe general election. But if the party

(01:02:22):
is the broad group of registered Republicanvoters, then the convention well being important,
isn't the final say? And theprimary election should be the final thing,
be the most important thing. Andagain now we get into what's been
happening this year and the four yearsago as well. When you have convention

(01:02:42):
outcomes that are the opposite of whatthe outcomes are from a primary election,
then it starts to speak to well, it kind of depends on what the
party is. And if again theparty is, say, the broader base
of Republican voters, well, nowwe have a situation where the leaders of
the party aren't reflecting according to theyou know, the primary election results aren't
reflecting what the party really is wantingto represent. And there's some real questions

(01:03:07):
to ask and talk about there.Can the two factions that you talk about,
Derek in some way be brought togetherin a unified effort? Can they
be? And is that important forthe party in his future? Well,
I think there's opportunity for that tohappen. And obviously it defends it depends
on people's willingness. I suppose toenter into these conversations. But so our

(01:03:31):
caucus convention system has evolved over time, you know, in terms of for
instance, it used to be thatit was broadly seen and I think this
played out in a lot of instancesthat delegates were who were being chosen at
caucus night, were going to conventionand representing kind of the broad interest of

(01:03:51):
their precinct, of their neighborhoods.And now that I think there's a perception
growing increasingly so that delegates go topresent a particular agenda and regardless of kind
of what they're kind of their precinct, they come from uh desires, And
so that wasn't you know. Butthe point of that is to say that

(01:04:12):
we can do things differently. Youknow, we can change that if we
want, and if we're if ifpeople leaders and the party are are willing
to engage that conversation to change andsay, you know what, we need
to restructure how caucus and convention Igo so that it's producing more representative outcomes
of the broader base of the party, then I think there is a possibility
for that compromise to happen. Ifit's you know, the convention and the

(01:04:36):
way caucus goes is for those whoare willing to come and stick it out,
and it's kind of a party insiderswho are willing to wait hours and
hours at caucus knight and convention forsome You know, if that's kind of
how it gets structured, then there'sgoing to be that's gonna be difficult to
find compromise on that because it don'twe've seen what the how that plays out
this year. How does the partyexpand the the caucus convention says, which

(01:05:00):
I'm a big supporter of Derek,I've been a delegate before, But how
does the party What does it needto do to get more people to the
neighborhood caucus meetings who then elect thedeligates to go to the convention? Can
that be done? Because I thinkthat's where it all begins. Yeah,
and I think a lot of thatbegins with kind of a recommitment to the
constitutional principles that apply when it comesto electing people. You know, of

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course the Framers didn't have primary elections. They didn't write anything anywhere about primary
elections, but they did in theFederals papers write about elections generally, what
role they serve and how they're meantto create a requirement for the people who
are elected to appeal to a broadset of interests so that we don't empower
a narrow set of interest that kindof trumps the broader good. And so

(01:05:47):
if we start from that standpoint,then there's an ancient conversation to be had
about how we structure caucus a nightand then convention. Are we doing it
in a way that invites that broadset of interests to show up? Or
are we doing in a way thatthat bombards a lot of people with things
that they're procedural and they don't particularlycare about them, and some of those

(01:06:08):
forces wi things have to happen.So I'm not saying that's all, you
know, not worth it, butjust saying, you know, you get
things where we prioritize stuff that's that'svery important to small set of people,
and the broader set of people seethat and say, you know, I
just don't even care about this andI don't have time, and so they
leave. So again, like ifwe're committed to that broader principle and the

(01:06:31):
constitution, that the elections are meantto serve as a check on factional power,
and that is in the Federals papers. It's clear. Then we structure
our caucusing convention nights in ways thatare inviting, and we staff them up
in ways that don't cause some ofthe problems that maybe we experience this here
on caucus night, because we knowthat that is the whole point and purpose.

(01:06:54):
And these other kind of you know, political or agenda based interests.
You know, we recognize those areto happen, right, I mean,
but we don't have to cater tothem. Derek has the signature gathering and
thrown a real wrench into this system. I mean, you know, there
are some people after what happened atthe convention this past year, there were
people who went to the convention said, well, if people are gathering signatures

(01:07:15):
and will be on the ballot,why should we even allow them to address
the convention? I mean, howmuch has the signature gathering change things as
far as the caucus convention system isconcerned. Yeah, it's certainly added a
completely new dynamic. You know thatyou don't have to show up at convention
if you don't want to to tobe on the primary ballot, and that's

(01:07:36):
something that changes the nature of thegame. But again, whether it comes
down again, this is all questionsfor the party, right. I mean,
yeah, the caucus in the conventionor a party matter, and that's
a private organization, so you know, but with that reality of signature gathering,
meaning somebody can be nominated without goingthrough convention process, do you want

(01:08:00):
to make a convention process that invitesthose people to come to convention anyway or
the one or a process that's goingto push them away? And that's that's
I think kind of where the rubberhits the road. Right now. Our
system says, you know, makeyour political calculation of how to get nominated,
and if it doesn't include the convention, then you don't even show up

(01:08:21):
because you know the convention is goingto shout you down, it's going to
vote against you, it's it's notgoing to be a great experience. But
if we structured conventions to be moreof a broad dialogue about you know,
whether you gather signatures or not,are you going to represent what the party
represents? So whether you're talking aboutwhichever party by the way, right,

(01:08:42):
this is we're talking about the prominantparty, but these things still apply to
the Democratic Party and other parties.If you pursue things that way, then
I think you can make space forwhat's the reality of gathering signatures while also
maintaining the integrity of the caucus conventionsystem. Final question, where do you
see this four years from now whenwe have another presidential election. That is

(01:09:05):
a time certainly when most of theyou know, a lot of the attention
is focused on elections. Nothing againstthe off year elections, but let's be
honest, the presidential election seems todrive Ever, buddy, where do you
see this in four years Derek?That is a great question. There's gonna
be a lot of conversations. Ithink that happened. I mean they're already
seeming to be happening, whether it'sprobably in op ed pages or behind the

(01:09:28):
scenes, I'm sure they're happening abouthow we nominate candidates, what the voter
experience is. I mean, that'ssomething we haven't even talked about yet,
but that is I think where alot of policymakers are concerned that if taxpayers
are financing primary elections and nomination processes, it ought to be an good,
positive experience for them, and thatwasn't the case in the caucus conventions of

(01:09:50):
this past this year. So Ithink, you know, there's going to
be some serious conversations, and ifgosh, if I had to predict,
I would I would have a hardtime because I think there's likely to probably
be some reforms at some level toprimaries. Is it going to be wholesale
versus incremental and small? That's whereit's a lot of less certainty. Derek

(01:10:12):
Bunsen from the Sutherland Institute talking aboutthe caucus convention system here in the state
of Utah. More coming up onThe rod Ark Kent Show and Utah's Talk
Radio one oh five nine can arrestswell after the fiasco in Atlanta. Joe
Biden faces two hard choices. Let'stalk about those choices now with our next
guest, Charles Libson, a professorof International politics emeritus at the University of

(01:10:34):
Chicago. Charles, always great tohave you on the show. Charles.
As you look at the Democratic Partytoday with Joe Biden as its leader and
possible presidential candidate, I think it'sfair to say that the party is in
a mess right now. Charles,would you agree? Absolutely? The way
I put it, as an oldSouthern boy, is they're caught between the

(01:10:54):
dog and the hydrant. Charles,what about you run about if Joe Biden
stays and all indications are he's notgoing anywhere as of yet, what kind
of challenges does this present to theDemocrats and his efforts to win the White
House for a second time. Ithink it damns them. I think it'll

(01:11:15):
be almost impossible for him to winthe White House unless there's some earth quake
politically, such as a catastrophic healthevent for Donald Trump or something like that.
You know, there's always a chance, but I actually when I wrote
that if Joe stays in, Ithought that was likely as of yesterday,

(01:11:39):
but I think that the chances haveactually decreased over the past day. Let
me tell you why. First,I think that the impression made by the
debate has now congealed and won't change. I think that Biden's people probably thought

(01:12:02):
they would continue to be protected bythe mainstream media, but they aren't.
I mean, there are a fewpeople on some of the very left wing
channels that are still trying to protecthim, but basically they can't. And
one reason they can't is that peoplesaw the debate. There's just no way

(01:12:26):
to spend it as fake news orcheap fakes or anything like that. They're
at a point of desperation. Theformer mayor of Atlanta, appropriately named Bottoms,
said that the Atlanta General Constitution,the main newspaper in Atlanta, calling
for Biden to leave the race,was election interference. That's how that's how

(01:12:54):
deranged they've become. And the problemis they have nowhere to go. They
They've got a vice president who isextremely unpopular but probably carries with her a
fair amount of the black vote,which would be insulted if she has passed

(01:13:15):
over for the top job. Youknow, Charles, people always say you
can't unsee what you've seen already,and we saw the display Joe Biden of
where he stands right now, bothmetally and physically last Thursday. I mean,
how on earth do they overcome allof this, Charles? I mean,
what a challenge the Democrats face rightnow. And even some of the
donors are saying, we're going togive it a couple of weeks before we

(01:13:38):
decide to move forward here, becausethe polls are indicating that Joe Biden is
his campaign is falling like a rock. I think that's right. I think
if they had a strong number twocandidate, Biden apparently wanted to pick the
governor of Michigan, Gretchen Whitmer,for vice president, and the rumor is

(01:14:00):
that Barack Obama talked to him intopicking Kamala Harris. If they had somebody
like Windmor, they would just moveto her right away. It would be
huge pressure. But there are acouple of problems besides the fact that Kamala
is there. There's no hr tocall Biden and say you have to step
aside, you're fired. He canmake it the decision himself, and I

(01:14:23):
don't know what kind of threats theycan use, implicit threats. And the
Republicans are doing the right thing,which is they're staying quiet when the other
side is hurting themselves. You shoulddo only you ask us a very concrete
question. What could Biden do ifhe could go out and actually speak to

(01:14:45):
the public repeatedly, And he dida good job on Friday, but he
was reading from a teleprompter. Ifhe could take questions from not a hostile
media, but just a decent mediaand answer them effectively, that would be
a start. But he hadn't eventried to do that. Charles is the

(01:15:11):
only one who can really remove himselffrom this race to Joe Biden because the
various state laws when it comes todelegates are very confusing, and to force
him out is going to take somereal, real interesting engineering, so to
speak, to try and get himoff the ballot. He's really the only
one who says I'm leaving, I'mdone here. You need to find somebody
else. He raised two questions.The second is a question about election law,

(01:15:41):
and all I can say is thatas an American, I'm no fan
of Joe Biden. I'm no fanof Donald Trump. I'm just trying to
play this as a neutral analyst,although I have my opinions, whoever the
Democrats nominate should be allowed to beon the ballot in all fifty states.
I mean, it would be,of course the crucial states of the Swiss

(01:16:04):
states, but I mean it's justwhatever their state laws are. Those laws
ought to be changed. We oughtnot to be in a position where if
Trump were to win, people couldsay, well, that was only because
there were these quirky laws that keptthere from being a real competition. That
would be a tragedy because the president. This was one of the biggest criticisms

(01:16:30):
of Trump, and one of themost legitimate and devastating is that we have
a tradition in our country that thenewly elected president is legitimate and is considered
legitimate. And one of the keyelements of that legitimacy is that the losing
candidate concedes. And I don't wanta situation where the winner in this election

(01:16:54):
is thought to be illegitimate. Iwant the I think it would be a
bad thing for the The second thingis can the Democrats move to a new
candidate? You raised that question toowell. Of course they can. Question
is how bloody will the fight be? Because there's no back smoke fill room

(01:17:16):
as there was for over a centurywhere the leaders of the big city parties
and the state parties, the mayor, Richard Dales and so forth would get
together and say, look, thereare a lot of people who could be
but we're going to pick Ms Xand mister y. They just can't do
that. Yeah, yeah, finalquestion for you, Charles, I'm going

(01:17:40):
to put you on the spot.Does he stay or does he go?
What do you think is going tohappen? If I had to bet,
I think yesterday I would have saidhe stays. Today I say he goes.
On our Newsmaker line from the Universityof Chicago. He's a professor of
International politics Emeritis. Charles Libson talkingabout what HAPs if Joe Biden stays all

(01:18:00):
right? More coming up right hereon the Rod Racquet Show on this Tuesday
afternoon in Utah's Talk Radio one Ofive to nine KNRS. A very busy
couple of days for the US SupremeCourt. They released a number of important
opinions, the most controversial the immunitydecision yesterday on former President Donald Trump.
You have the ruling, of courseon the Chevron deference case, and a

(01:18:24):
really interesting ruling coming out which basicallysaid that cities and counties around the country
do have a right to ban sleepingin public areas, addressing a real problem
with homelessness. Well, joining uson our newsmaker line to talk more about
that decision, there's Judge Block.Judge is a senior Fellow and director of
Research at the Manhattan Institute. Judge, welcome back to the show, Judge.

(01:18:46):
Very important ruling in these cities andthese counties who are wrestling with homelessness.
Do we know what the fallout fromthis ruling is going to be as
of yet? Well, I thinkone of the most important fallouts in this
ruling will be the local state theseat least in the Ninth Circuit Court of
Appeal states that only the western partof America will no longer have an excuse

(01:19:06):
for an action. A lot oftimes cities used this ruling to claim that
they couldn't do anything about public encampmentsor public sleeping in parks and sidewalks,
even though that was a perhaps overreadingof the previous rulings. This ruling,
an opinion from Justice Gorsage from theSupreme Court, means they can no longer

(01:19:29):
have any excuse for complete in actionagainst these encampment. What exactly did the
Supreme Court say, basically, judge, when it comes to camping in public
areas? Did they say it's reallyup to local municipalities and counties to decide
this? What exactly did the Courtsay in regard to this Yes, well,
basically that the Eighth Amendment Cruel andUnusual Punishment's clause, which was what

(01:19:55):
the homeless advocates in this case usedto claim that these anti camping, anti
sleeping laws were unconstitutional, was nota just basis for striking down those local
camping or sleeping laws that the Courtthrough Justice Gorsich made a pretty strong opinion
that this idea was not based inthe eighth Amendment of the Constitution generally that

(01:20:19):
had to deal with the forms ofpunishment after a law was enacted, not
the type of law itself. Andis Justice Gorsage pointing out the actual penalties
at issue here in the grants pastcity were pretty minimal, a civil fine
and ban from future camping in publicparks and so forth. So they said

(01:20:40):
that that was not a legitimate basisfor opposition to camping and sleeping laws.
So I guess the question is goingto be what do we do with these
people who want to camp out?I guess cities and counties are going to
have to figure this out. Judge, is that the next step? That
is the next step, and JusticeGorsic and actually justice on both sides pointing

(01:21:00):
out that this is a very difficultpolicy problem. There is no absolutely easy
answer here because there are people indesperate need, and there are people that
for whatever reason want to camp outin public places and in sidewalks. So
cities and counties and other places aregoing to have to come up with their
own solutions which are tailored to theirown problems they face. Sometimes a lot

(01:21:25):
of problems are involving drug abuse,sometimes problems involving mental illness, and the
cities in the counties are going tohave to come up with different answers from
that. And that's exactly what Courseis said. These courts can't manage these
questions better than the cities. Howbig of a challenge is there's going to
be, though, judge, forthese cities municipalities to deal with this and
trying to figure out what to doif in fact they want to get people

(01:21:48):
off the street. Yeah, soit's it's going to be a big challenge,
and frankly, it's going to bea slightly bigger challenge than it would
otherwise be precisely because the Ninth CircuitStates and the West has seen an incredible
surgeon homelessness since the very first ofthese rulings came down in twenty eighteen,
much greater than the rest of thecountry. So you now have a situation

(01:22:11):
where about half of the unsheltered homelessand the entire nation are actually based just
in California, which is a sortof unalloyed tragedy. You have now had
two thousand homeless deaths a year onthe streets of LA that's up by almost
three hundred percent from just about adecade ago. So this is an incredibly
difficult problem in the cities have unfortunatelyused some of these previous Ninth Circuit rulings

(01:22:35):
excuse to not do anything. Butnow they're in a pretty deep hole and
they're going to have to work prettyhard to dig their way out of it.
I was going to say, Judge, could they ignore this ruling and
just allow people to camp on thestreet if nobody's complaining about it, I
mean, could they just say,no, we're on continue with what we've
been doing. Oh. Absolutely,So this decision doesn't force them to clear

(01:22:56):
camps. There's been some misinformation outthere the public where they says the Supreme
Court says homeless camping is illegal.No, this merely says these local cities
will have to make their own decisionsfor themselves. And yes, I assume
actually many of the large cities inthe West Coast will not take action against
the camps. Some maybe because theythink they have other ways to deal with

(01:23:20):
the problem, and perhaps they do, but many because they don't know how
to deal with these camps. Andsometimes the activists continue to argue that clearances
or methods of moving people off thestreet that involve in any fashion the police
are just wrong. But I thinkwhat we're seeing right now is that the

(01:23:41):
current situation of complete lack of clearancesfor encampments increasing homeless encampments is actually the
situation. It's truly cruel and unusual. Judge, I wanted to I should
have asked you this question at thebeginning of our conversation this afternoon. Judge,
were you surprised by the ruling ordid the Supreme Court come across with
some pretty solid judicial feelings on this. I was not surprised by the ruling.

(01:24:03):
I think the only thing I wassurprised at was that there was three
opposed decisions, so it was asix to three party line vote on the
Supreme Court. And originally a lotof people looking at the decision from the
Ninth Circuit thought that this was reallyout in the fringe and that might be
able to get eight justices to voteto strike it down, or maybe even

(01:24:26):
all nine justices. But most peoplelooking at this said this decision by the
Ninth Circuit was kind of so farout in the fringe that no other circuit
had adopted a decision like this thatthe eighth the men clearly didn't have anything
to do with homeless camping laws orsleeping bands or so forth. So I
wasn't surprised by it, but Iam somewhat optimistic that again will give a

(01:24:48):
lot more discretion to these local citiesand counties that know better how to deal
with the problem. On our newsmakerline, Judge Glock with a Manhattan Institute
talking about the Supreme Court ruling onenforcement of a and on sleeping in public
areas directly affecting a lot of homelesspeople, not only here in Utah,
but around the country as well.All right, Mark, coming up right

(01:25:08):
here on the Rod Arca Show andUtah's Talk Radio one five to nine ANRS.
Now, let's talk about the effortson the part of the Biden administration
and dealing with the US economy.Since Joe Biden took off, his food
prices have gone up nearly twenty percent. But the Biden administration admits or is
trying to convince the American people thatsince then and with the economy, it's

(01:25:30):
getting better. Unemployment is down,inflation is down, and they hope prices
will come down soon, but theAmerican people really do not believe that.
Let's talk with Steve Cortez, founderof the League of American Workers, who
wrote about this. Steve, greatto have you on the show tonight.
The Biden administration is trying to convincethe American people prices are coming down,
the economy is getting better, butthe American people don't believe it, right,

(01:25:51):
Steve, they definitely are not.And you know, look that twenty
percent number, by the way,is on the grocery tabs as a whole.
But I will also tell you thisBiden's own USDA US Department of Agriculture.
They have a thing called the thriftyPlan, which for a family of
four is how much, if you'rebeing frugal on food spending, how much
you would spend. And this isagain from the Biden administration, not Steve

(01:26:14):
Cortez's numbers at the beginning of hisadministration six hundred and seventy five dollars per
family of four for a month.That's being very frugal. They now admit
that it's nine hundred and seventy fivedollars. Well, so that's an increase
of over forty percent, so it'sat least twenty percent. But think of
that too. An extra three hundreddollars a month to a working class family
seventy five dollars every single week forthe same products, right, costing you

(01:26:36):
seventy five dollars more. For alot of famis in America. That changes
their life. That really restricts theoptions that they have in terms of their
discretionary spending because of what they mustspend to, you know, literally feed
their family. So I've got totell you, Rod, I'm just sick
and tired, and I'm somebody whocomes in the world of Wall Street,
in the world of economists and financialanalysts and traders and investment you know,

(01:26:57):
management investment managers. I'm really tiredof a lot of these so called experts
trying to lecture the American people andtell them that the reality they're living isn't
the truth. Okay, I meanit's third. It's insulting to them because
you can spin people on a lotof things, but you cannot spin someone
on the reality of their monthly budget, their bank account, and the fact
that when they go to the grocerystore there's now anxiety over buying the staples

(01:27:21):
of life. Forget about luxuries overthe staples of life. It's really it's
a sad situation. It's something wecan recover from, but it's going to
take entirely new leadership. In ourpolling that we're doing extensively in the battleground
states shows us that battleground state voters. We just for example, pulled Arizona
right next door to you folks there, and in Arizona, sixty nine percent

(01:27:42):
of voters in Arizona say that theyblame Joe Biden for the increasing food prices.
Well, Steve, get to theroot of the problem. What exactly,
in your opinion, is driving outfood prices. Yeah. No,
And this is key because it's notas though there's something going on in the
agricultural sector, right that's not happening. In other words, this is inflation.
So it's from far too much borrowingand far too much spending. Now,

(01:28:02):
the United States has been borrowing andspending too much for a very long
time. So some of the listenersmight say, well, wait a second,
you know we've been doing that fora while. Why did it get
so intense, Well, because whatBiden did is he took the emergency level
borrowing and spending of the COVID panic, and I do believe it was a
panic, right, But he tookthose levels and he maintained them. So,
in other words, we are nowspending as if we're at war.

(01:28:24):
We're spending. We're borrowing and spendingat levels in terms of you know,
as a percentage of our national GDP, a percentage of our economy, at
levels we haven't seen since World WarTwo. So it's as if the entire
country is in some sort of nationalcrisis, as we are in wartime or
as we were in the lockdowns.But we're not in a national crisis,
right, I mean, in otherwords, that spending should have dialed back.
Instead, Biden did the opposite.He hit the gas and said,

(01:28:45):
no, we're going to borrow andspend even more. So everything in your
life gets more expensive, your rent, your gasoline, and of course your
food prices. And what we're findingis, though food prices is really where
the rubber meets the road in termsof anxiety. In other words, they're
upset about all the costs rising intheir lives lives, but what really matters
to them most, what hits themhome. And I think part of The

(01:29:08):
reason here, Rod is because ofthe frequency bias. And what I mean
by that is you pay your rentonce a month, so it certainly bothers
you. But it's one time amonth that okay, you have that sort
of problem, right. You buyfood all the time, and you know
people especially they eat out a reasonableamount. So between eating out and the
grocery store, for example, theaverage American woman and women do a lot

(01:29:29):
of shopping, and households of Americathe average American woman buys food ten times
a month. So they are beingreminded literally every few days of this inflationary
nightmare that they're living. And itis because of Joe Biden. It's because
of the borrowing and spending at thefiscal level in Washington, d C.
We've got to get a hold ofthis because the standard of living of Americans
is crashing. Real wages, whichmeans pay adjusted for inflation, is going

(01:29:51):
drastically down. Biden lies about thisall the time, okay, but the
statistics, the numbers don't lie.The reality is Americans are working harder to
get poor, to see their qualityof life go down. More and more
of their paycheck is eaten up bythe necessities of life by the rent,
the utilities and the food. Andbecause of that, they're really really ticked

(01:30:12):
off. And you can't blame themfor being ticked off no matter what these
you know, Nobel laureate economists tryto tell them no their lived reality,
you know, Steve, I'm nota regular grocery shopper, but occasionally I
do go with my wife. AndI was shopping with her just the other
day and she had to pick upsome clorox, and we were at like
Sam's Club or Costco, and shegot a big box of where there were
three large containers of clorox, andshe just shook her head and I said,

(01:30:34):
why are you shaking your head?She said, this box used to
be nine dollars. Now it's closerto eighteen dollars. And I went,
holy Toledo. Do you see thatall the time? And she said absolutely
yeah. And by the way,and again too, that's where look,
women voters have been a problem forthe Republican Party for a long time.
So this is not just a Trumpproblem, right. You know, if

(01:30:55):
elections were only men, we wouldbe every state in America pretty much it
be read. So this has beena challenge. I don't want to say
problem, because women aren't a problem. But it's a challenge. It's a
challenge to convince women to vote Republican, and not just with Trump. But
I will say this, I thinka lot of women who may not consider
themselves Republican or conservative, or certainlywouldn't call themselves Mago or America first,
a lot of them are experiencing thatreality you know that your wife spoke about.

(01:31:18):
And again, women, women ina lot of households are the primary
shoppers. They're also the primary bookkeepers, by the way, not just
the shoppers, they're the CFOs ofthe household. Right, Many women more
than men, manage the bills ofthe household. So they are acutely aware
of what's going on in terms ofinflation and the and the damage inflicted by
Joe Biden. And again they blameBiden. So it's an opportunity for us

(01:31:40):
to win over voters who may betough to win over on other issues,
and in a good economy, franklymight be impossible to win over for Donald
Trump. But given the economic carnagethat has been caused by Biden and the
absolute you know, just the thethe absolute destruction of quality of life in
America. That's the way we needto talk about it too. It's not

(01:32:00):
just you know, we are literallyfor the first time in decades in the
United States, maybe for the firsttime since the Great Depression, American standard
of living is going down. It'sgoing down every single month, and they
know it, and they blame JoeBiden, and they should and they and
they pined for a return, evenif they don't love Trump, even if
they have a problem perhaps with someof his tweets when he used to be
on social media, even if theyhave a problem with some of his you

(01:32:21):
know, brash style. They theypined for the days of the Trump economy,
where prosperity was broad and where priceswere low, and they want to
get back to that era. AndI think that is going to be again
the number one driver. There's alot of reasons I believe to go out
for President Trump, but I believestill far and away, it's the number
one value proposition of Trump is,let's get back to an era of prosperity

(01:32:42):
with contained inflation. On our NewsbakerLine, Steve Cortez with the League of
American Workers talking about food prices soaringfood prices here in the US

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