The Rod and Greg Show: Benefits Available to Veterans; Election Victory; Liberals are not OK

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Don't go Mark Harlan on me, whatever you do, please,
I just we can only have one winer, you know,
out of the whole thing. Now, that was a hill,
that was I had more of a Hillary Clinton's twenty
sixteen vibe of Russia stole it from me than it
did Trump and twenty.

Speaker 2 (00:14):
Well the rest did steal it from I'm sorry, the
rest did steal it from But look, you know what
Trump wins on Tuesday. Listen, Trump wins on Tuesday, Big Day,
Big Day. We're all happy. When then Thursday, Friday.

Speaker 1 (00:23):
And then again the weekend, I'm not so on. I
went the Notre Dame the University. I went there for
their game against Florida State. They won fifty two to three.
If you think that a fifty two to three game
is boring, it is not. When your team's the fifty
three and you have eight sacks and you watch it.

Speaker 2 (00:38):
It was beautiful. Say it's not very good.

Speaker 1 (00:40):
So that you know, when I picked that game before
the season, I thought that was going to be a
really competitive game and in the past, and it was.
But you know what, what I'll take. I'll take a
game that I'm just watching a bludging I'm watching him
dominate and destroy. And Kyle, who used to work in
the house, good friend, and he invited me. And he's
a big deal on that campus. He was a student

(01:01):
there and.

Speaker 2 (01:02):
Remember the students of Columbus.

Speaker 1 (01:05):
Yes, and yeah, just so he's well, he ran to
his friends. Anyway, thank thank you to Kyle for the
great weekend. But anyway, it's been an Then we got
the BYU game, it's been an embarrassment of riches. All
I know is I'm winning so much. I'm getting tired
of winning. To quote one person, So I'm you know,
the former and soon to be president.

Speaker 2 (01:25):
Yeah. The one thing that really bothers me what I
think he won the popular vote event, that's right, I
think you did. I think he got more than seven And.

Speaker 1 (01:34):
Gentlemen, we had a friendly wager. I'm great, oy, nothing's
nothing big, Just as much food as I can possibly
eat it as the most expensive lunch place I can find.
That he would do north, so that Trump would receive
north of the seventy four million votes he received in
twenty twenty.

Speaker 2 (01:53):
And he's done it.

Speaker 1 (01:54):
I was shocked that took this long. I actually I
thought it was going to be an automatic. On first night,
we'd see it, but done it. He finally got there,
he got over that that number, and I'm going to
be rewarded accordingly. So that's a couple of lunches you
owe me. Now, so I can't remember the first, but
there was another one.

Speaker 2 (02:12):
Don't invent things?

Speaker 1 (02:15):
It was? It was it that you bet me lunch.
She was gonna wint worried the night of bet you
that I bet you on the popular vote, and they
bet you on that.

Speaker 2 (02:24):
You bet me?

Speaker 1 (02:25):
I think you bet me like five hundred dollars that
that you thought Biden would stay and I said he's
gonna drop off.

Speaker 3 (02:30):
Didn't.

Speaker 1 (02:31):
Don't you want me five hundred bucks too?

Speaker 2 (02:33):
Now, okay, bring bring up the old stuff. But I did.
There was one bet that I did have with you
on the popular voat that's all seed.

Speaker 1 (02:41):
I lost that bet, Yes she did, she did. And
why you would even go after me when you know
that I don't have the luxury of opinion? I just
know you?

Speaker 2 (02:52):
Thank you?

Speaker 3 (02:52):
He right?

Speaker 2 (02:53):
All right, all right, we have got a lot to
get to today. But first of all, should we take
him in and just say thank you to the vets
out there after the Veterans Day.

Speaker 1 (03:01):
Today, I brought my Grandpat Francis McGuire's World War two
picture from when he was in there, and he told
me the story about that someone surprising with the camera.
He was on patrol and he came out of the
jungle and they took that picture. He's got the shirt
off machine gun in his hand, and that's Pat mcfrancis McGuire.
And then my grandmother and my grandfather my mother's side,

(03:25):
my grandma Maxine and my grandfather they met. They were
both in the Navy in World War Two and they
met and I brought the USS kid the destroyer he
served on. The That destroyer hit by a Kama Cazi
and didn't sink and he was there so anyway, brought
his hat in and brought a picture of my Pat McGuire.

Speaker 2 (03:41):
All you veterans out there today, thank you for your service.
I don't have any vets in my immediate family, but
I did. My great my grandfather, Old Henry Parolt, kind
of a French guy, served on a served on a
ship in World War One, and I have the flag
that was draped over his casket when he died. And

(04:02):
his dog texts nice World War one from World War One,
which is really kind of unique. So to all the
veterans out there, thank you so much. I mean, I
love seeing the flags being displayed today. Do not forget
our veterans. We're going to talk with Gary Harter, who
is the decative director of the Utah Government Affairs Office
here shortly the Veteran Affairs Veterans, Yeah, because we want

(04:24):
to see the status of how vets are doing here
in the state of Utah. You may be closer to
this than I am because of your work in the legislature.
But are we taking care of our vets? And if
we aren't, we should be ashamed of ourselves.

Speaker 3 (04:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (04:35):
And you know what some of that though, interestingly enough,
is that veterans, for the reasons they decide to serve
their country, they're not looking for benefits. No, And so
there's so many benefits that we do have, whether they're
federal VA benefits or the state has for veterans, and
they sometimes go unrealized because veterans, by their nature are

(04:56):
not looking for benefits. But it's a collective debt that
we as a Americans, Oh, are veterans are men and
women in the military. And so that's why I look
forward to our interview with Gary Harter with the Utah
Department of Veterans Military Affairs. Because they do constant outreach
and I knew this when I was a lawmaker. We
give funds to make sure they're reaching out to veterans
to let them know what is available for them. And

(05:18):
because they will not find it themselves. Yeah, they don't
want to. They serve for different reasons and there it
doesn't even occur to them, and it and so we
should be doing that work to make sure they know.

Speaker 2 (05:30):
Yeah, and so yeah, well well we I mean we
should be. We should be doing everything for all those vets.
You know, I was thinking Greg years ago Tom Broco's
book The Greatest Generation. Yes he had at that time.
Now this was several years ago, the World War Two
vests were dying at a rate of about thirty thousand
a month. I cannot even imagine what that rate is now.

(05:51):
And we're rapidly losing those World War Two vents. And
I saw a man on the street interview today on
one of the TV channels asking young people about World
War Two and who who won World War Two. They
don't know, they have no idea who won World War
two or what World War Two was all about and
we cannot forget that. Yeah, and if we're failing anywhere

(06:14):
in American education, in my opinion, teaching children about our
history and about civics.

Speaker 1 (06:19):
You know, and and it's you know, life goes by
so fast. When I entered the legislature, I served with
a veteran of World War Two, Don Bush, and one
of the sergeant of arms that was in the house,
he flew over Iwgima and he and as he teared
up as I mean just you know, as I got
to know him, sharing that experience with me, it's still
brought tears in terms of the horrors of war and

(06:42):
flying over e Regima as a combat flight you know,
pilot and but he but I was My grandparents are
from that who served in that war, and so they
as a kid, they taught me in that Greatest generation.
I feel lucky to have, you know, in the formative
years and even when I was a young man, been
around a lot of courageous better and they were just

(07:02):
great people.

Speaker 2 (07:03):
And the one thing that I think, you know, Brokaw
called them the Greatest generation. I feel sorry for the
Vietnam Vets because I think they're a forgotten generation. You know,
they were there. I mean, and I remember this example
that was given. They knew that their fathers went off
to war in World War Two. They felt obligated when

(07:24):
America called to go to war in Vietnam, and they went.
But it was such a different war greg they came home.
There were no parades, there was nothing for these Vietnam Vets.
And they've struggled with this and we cannot forget. And
there are a lot of them out there. They're my age,
a little bit younger, a little bit older than me,
but we cannot forget that Vietnam, the Vietnam Vets. They

(07:45):
have really it's been tough on me.

Speaker 1 (07:47):
My uncle Denny served in the Navy during the war
and he was fixing the helicopters and things that were
coming back. And there were things in those helicopters and
conditions of those helicopters that were as tough for those
even that served in the military and our veterans that
were here and not even seeing action in Vietnam. But
that was a horrific time and they should and in hindsight,
it's strange that we didn't treat them or receive them

(08:11):
the way we did our World War Two veterans. Bet
I hope we're making up for lost time.

Speaker 2 (08:15):
I assure do too. Funny story about it. I have
an uncle who served in World War Two. He was
in a submarine in the Navy, right and was now
working had a good job I think alcohol aluminum. A
long time ago, when I was just a little kid,
Uncle Frank liked to do one thing for all his
niece's nephews. You know what it was. What He drink
a beer and then let out the biggest belt get

(08:37):
you ever heard in your life. And he thought that
was very entertaining. But a veteran and he was proud
of his service in the navy, but he'd let out
these belches and us as little kids, you know, they're
just funny, and we just laugh at him. That's what
he did to entertain us.

Speaker 1 (08:53):
Well, see all the gifts you can give, clearly, this
was a gift that keeps on giving because you remember
it to this day.

Speaker 2 (08:58):
Yeah, see, I remember to this day. That's right. All right,
We've got a lot to get to. Great to be
with you, We're going to talk about the aftermath the
meltdown in the media and among the Democrats, is still continuing.
We'll let you hear what they had to say. We'll
talk more about Donald Trump. I tell you what, Greg,
he's not letting grass grow under his feet. He is
moving and moving quickly, a moving.

Speaker 1 (09:18):
And the world is reacting in positive ways. I would say,
I think the world's even simmering down a little bit
as news of his election. They see it and all
of a sudden, everybody's like, hey, we're with you.

Speaker 2 (09:27):
Hello.

Speaker 1 (09:27):
I don't know what was going on here, but these
Hamas guys in guitar, we're getting rid of them. We're
rid of everybody's kind of Trump trained.

Speaker 2 (09:37):
Oh he's here, look out, folks. I love it. So
we'll talk about that. Congressman Burgess Owens. We haven't had
a chance to talk with Burgess since his win on
election a week ago. Tomorrow we'll talk to him, and
a little bit later on we'll talk about this was
an election of crime and an interesting article in the
New York Post about how liberal moms who are very
upset by this election are really her being their children,

(10:04):
all of us. So we'll get into that. So a
lot to get to today. Great to be with you
on this Monday afternoon. It is the Rod and Greg
Show if you'd like to join us eight eight eight
five seven o eight zero one zero triple eight five
seven o eight zero one zero. Some of the appointments
already today. If you aren't aware, Tom Holman has been
selected as Department of Homeland Security. He's the borders are

(10:25):
That's what the President is calling him. Elie Stephonic is
going to be UN Ambassador, and Lee's Eldon is going
to be put in charge of EPA.

Speaker 1 (10:33):
How long do you think EPA is going to be around?
You know, I'm so excited. Leez Elden is a good Conservative.
He represented the East Long Long Island area of New
York City that borough ran for governor and nearly beat
Kathy Hokle like that was a lot closer race than
people thought. So he is just a He's just a good,
good conservative, solid former public servant. And I think he's

(10:53):
going to fill that role because what Uton's might not realize,
or maybe you do that the EPA. If you want
to build a freeway, if you want to build any road,
there's these environmental impact studies. There's just all of these
years and most and years of studies that keep you
from being able to bring in infrastructure and US growing
state like cars, the EPA holds us like by a
nose ring and a like three link chain to our
nose as a state. We need someone with common sense

(11:16):
in that position.

Speaker 2 (11:17):
Day one, Trump will do away with the ev subsidies subsidies, right,
and he'll do away with the windmill subsidies and solar
panel subsidies. Kind of nutting.

Speaker 1 (11:26):
Well, the auto industry is trying to signal, hey, we
can't that when half of these cars being evy. There's
absolutely no market demand for fifty percent of our automobiles
to be evy.

Speaker 2 (11:35):
So we can't make it all right. Well, today, as
Greg and I mentioned at the top of the hour,
it is Veterans Day today, and hopefully many of you
are taking a minute to say thank you to all
those veterans out there. What is the state when it
comes to Utah? What are we doing for veterans and
how do veterans how are they doing in this state today?
Joining us on our Newsmaker line to talk about that
is Gary Harder, executive director the Utah Department of Veterans

(11:58):
and Military Affairs. Gary, how are you welcome to the
Rodin Gregg show.

Speaker 4 (12:03):
I'm very well. Thanks for having me on today. You
mentioned Veterans Day. I just came from a ceremony Veterans
Day ceremony up at our Ogden Veterans Home, and it
was terrific being with all those veterans heading tonight to
the concert, the annual concert that the Utah National Guard
does for Veterans Day as well. So it's great being

(12:25):
with the veterans who you know, helped to secure our
freedoms that we have in this country as well. Greg,
it's good to have you on again.

Speaker 1 (12:35):
I was just going to say we had a lot,
We've worked together a lot when I was a public servant,
and I know your dedication to veterans, and I want
to tell share with our listeners that you are probably
the greatest and most passionate advocate for our men and
women in the military and those it served, and you
have an interesting job. And I was mentioning this at
the beginning of the program. Veterans aren't wired to look
at what their what their benefits might be, and so

(12:57):
there might be a lot of unrealized benefits that we
as a state and as a country collectively owe as
a debt to our veterans, but they wouldn't know that
those that those benefits are there. Describe maybe for our
listeners what you do and maybe what benefits are out
there for our veterans to make sure they take advantage of.

Speaker 3 (13:17):
Well.

Speaker 4 (13:17):
I appreciate that because you exactly hit it right. You
and I had those conversations a lot when you were
serving in the legislature as well. We're very, very fortunate
to live in a terrific state. Veterans and military and
their families enjoy a wide range of support at the
legislature and the office of the governor, you know, through

(13:37):
a judicial everything that we have, a business community and
on on. We have terrific programs. But you hit it.
One of the things that we lament is we have
more and more, we don't have enough veterans that are
actually taking advantage and looking for and for the services
and the benefits that they're eligible for and they've earned

(13:59):
by their service to our great country in whatever era
that they served in, whenever they did that, whatever their
occupational specialty. We work hard as a department throughout our state.
We have folks from our department as well as many
the Veterans Service organizations, the Utah National Guard, many others

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to connect with veterans, understand what their needs are, see
if we have something that can really help them out,
and if we don't. As you know, I've come to you,
I've come to the governors through the years and say, hey,
we have a gap here, perhaps we can come up
with something. Overall, we have a lot of those ways

(14:42):
that getting connected with US veterans dot Utah dot gov
or military dot Utah dot gov. Both those URLs go
right to our department because Greg, you carried the legislation
when we expanded the department to take on the military
side of it as well. And we're very unique in
the country. There's only one other state. One other's considering

(15:04):
it to do what we did to combine the veterans
in the military affairs in the same department. It's worked well.
Many looked to Utah as an example, and they asked
the question, how do you all get this all done?
She said, we have a very patriotic state, We have

(15:25):
great support, and we just we get it done. We
don't worry about who gets credit. We just want to
have a particularly We won't have a great outcome, but
getting veterans, so my plea for the veterans, thank them
for their We thank them for their service. But I
asked them to check out what is there at our
website or social media whatever it happens to be with it.

(15:47):
And for the families and community members, the veterans in
your midst please ask them to reach out because I'll
guarantee their situation has changed in the last five years
and benefits have changed in the last five years as well.

Speaker 2 (15:58):
Yeah, Gary would getting the information out of making vet's
aware of what's going on, inviting them to step up
and take advantage. Is that the biggest challenge facing veterans
right now or is there an even bigger one that
we don't recognize quite often?

Speaker 4 (16:13):
You know, we've done a great that's a great question, Rob.
We've done a lot of great work in our state
for employment and education and taking care of families as well.
But one of the ones that we still have struggles with,
I'll be honest, is mental wellness. You know, across and

(16:33):
Greg remember when you were in the legislature as well
in the Inner Mountain West, we have a lot of
mental wellness challenges overall, and the veterans, you know, we
have higher rates of mental wellness challenges in our state
than there are in a number of other states across
the country. We have a what they call a governor's

(16:56):
challenge to work with. We work with the Department of
Health and Human Services nationally at the same the VA
and the Health and Human Services for programs to identify veterans,
to connect with them and to make sure that they
have the things necessary and the very darkest of their
times by things that they did, by their service, or

(17:19):
things they saw or whatever it happens to be. Military
life is not easy. It's stressful on everyone. I mean,
I served as great mentioned I served in the Army
for twenty five years before retiring. And the things that
we can do. If you have a veteran in your midst,

(17:39):
it's okay to say are you okay? Is there something
that I can help you with? And then get them
connected to the services.

Speaker 1 (17:46):
So Gary Harder, Executive Director of Utah Department of Veterans
and Military Affairs, I think you said it was Veterans
dot Utah dot gov. But share the website with us
one more time for veterans that might be listening or
their family is correct.

Speaker 4 (18:00):
Veterans dot Utah dot gov. Or Military dot Utah dot gov.
Because we do both the military and the veterans. Both
those websites come right to us. Gary Harder can take him.

Speaker 1 (18:13):
You are a patriot, serf and a fine public servant.
I can. I've seen you in action myself. So thank
you for joining us on the program. And I hope
this Veterans Day is a great day and it's more
great days to come.

Speaker 2 (18:24):
Thank you for joining us, Gary Harder, he is a
great guy. A couple of other things Greg he mentioned.
I think the Utah National Guard putting on some sort
of concert tonight. I know there's another one taking place
up at the Valley Music Center up there on Bountiful
tonight at seven o'clock there is a congress Former Congressman
Chris Stewart will be speaking there. And then did you

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see the story? And I've seen this flag the number
of people who trek up I think it is the
North Trailhead in North Ogden to see that massive flag
that hangs in the canyon up there in honor of
Brett Taylor, Jenny Taylor's husband. I mean it's massive.

Speaker 1 (19:00):
So I don't like to hike. I just like to
watch that on social media I've seen it so many
times on social It is great.

Speaker 2 (19:05):
And there's a company, there's a company I think you're
in Utah that does this around.

Speaker 1 (19:08):
It's amazing. Yeah, the view is inspiring and in good
time to do it.

Speaker 2 (19:14):
Those of you who haven't seen it up there in
northern Utah, drive into northug you can't miss it by
the way. All right, more coming up on the Rod
and Greg Show and Utah's Talk Radio one oh five
nine k n rs. Where do we go with the
US House? Greg, I mean, they're within an eyelash of
the GOP retaining control, but it's like one or two
seats away, and it's been taking Why does it take

(19:37):
more than almost more than a week now to get
the results in some of these congressional districts.

Speaker 1 (19:41):
It's ridiculous and it's a separate story, but it's you know,
those states that don't have that have that don't require
an idea of the states that are taking the longest
to count votes, which never makes you feel good.

Speaker 2 (19:51):
Nuts Well, joining us on our Newsmaker line to talk
about that House is fourth District Congressman our good friend
Burgess Owens Burgess, great to have you back on the
show Burgess. Congratulations first of all in your win a
week ago tomorrow. But what's your take on the control
of the House, and why do you think it is
so important?

Speaker 3 (20:08):
Well, Uh, this is historic, to be honest with you,
first of all, to have the American people to uh
to to be such as as engaged there as they are,
to give us the President with such a remarkable uh outcome,
and the Senate of course, and and the thing about
the House wants to get tropector we have a chance
to truly uh apply and do the thing that the

(20:32):
President Trump wants to do. He has an agenda, he
has a mandate, and in the past we've had to
do a lot of compromising and and playing back and forth.
This with this mandate, we're gonna have a chance to
within the first hundred days take a look. We want
to get done, be as a team. And all the
chaos we've had and passed because they had a small,
small majority, that's gonna go away, because we have a

(20:53):
really good connection and loyalty between the President and our speaker,
and that's gonna give us a chance to truly get
the momentum. And I'm going about it, He's really going
to be the transports and friends to look forward to it.

Speaker 1 (21:03):
So, actually that was the question I was going to ask,
is that with such a small minority, the good news
is that you might have a trifecta and Trump has
a clear mandate winning the popular vote as well as
the electoral college. But with that majority, where some lawmakers
perfect might be the enemy of good, what would be
the challenge? I like what you're saying about, you know,
with Trump and has a relationship with the speaker that
you're going to You anticipate a lot of great movement coming.

(21:27):
Talk to our listeners about all the good work you've
been doing to help your colleagues in the House. Uh
leading up to this election. Because the odds were I
follow those polymarkets, they didn't. They had it that the
Democrats were going to take back this House. It looks
like you guys are going to prevail. I've asked you
before what you've seen out there, But tell me of
the work you've done. Where does that position Congressman Burgess Owens,

(21:51):
Where does this position you in terms of leading with
the House and your colleagues and getting things done in
this coming Congress for you?

Speaker 3 (22:00):
I'll tell you what I saw when I was excited
about Uh, it was a team. It was two of
the team effort. I mean, every one of us who
had a chance to spend time outside of our district.
I was very blessed. Again I've said this before, h
the dis IS for has been just remarkably exciting dis
is to support and serve because it gave me the
chance to go out and help us my colleagues. And

(22:20):
that's what's happening across the board. We realize that this
is a chance that we can do something that we've
never done before, get all three areas in place and
moving forward. And that's what happened in this case. Here,
I think what happened I should say this. We have
to thank the Democratic Party for what they've given us
the last four years. They have managed to bring us
together like we have never in the past. They have

(22:40):
shown us what it looks like to be hard left
as to be Marxists, and the American people don't want it.
They we just don't want to do anything, have anything
to do with it. And I've always hoped that one
day to see those those communities that did not have
a seat at the table when I was growing up,
the Black community, the Hispanic community, the Jewish community, the
Muslim community. We have come together and come back to
our basic sort of values and together has brought brought

(23:02):
together a remarkable coalition that's only gonna get better because
as things work out, we begin to show success, uh, hopefulness,
bringing down to bring down inflation, allow people to have
their dreams again. That's just going to bring many of
those who still don't quite get what Trump is all about,
what our what our vision is, They're gonna come across
the next couple of years because they'll see uh an

(23:24):
example of how it all feels and how it works.
And I'm looking forward to that.

Speaker 2 (23:27):
Also, Burgess, I know one of your priorities being back
in the House has always been education. The President wants
to make some sweeping changes when it comes to education,
possibly even eliminating the Department of Education. Give us your
thoughts on his education proposals.

Speaker 3 (23:43):
I am so excited about this. When we talk about
what's going to bring our country together is making sure
our kids are getting the oppetings they need. And that's
what that's what's happened right now.

Speaker 4 (23:54):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (23:54):
This is gonna be the one place that I think
will bring our countries even closer together because he's gonna
he's gonna put in place metrics, is going to put
in place meritocracy, a marriage and get rid of all
this this crazy DEI and doctin nation stuff. And it
allows us to have a vision which how kids will
have the very best education in the world. We should
not be ever thinking about how to get the best
talent in our country by bringing people from outside our

(24:16):
country in. We have the talent, we have the kids,
and we need to do is have the right education
in place. And this is exactly what where President Trump
is doing. The Department of Education was never part of
our constitutions put together in nineteen seventy eight. As they
deal between Carter and the Label Union to get to
get him he elected. We're seeing that it's failed us
tremendously drastically, and so we're going to put together there's

(24:38):
something where metrics counts for. Bring free market. I hope,
bring free markets in the industry where the very best,
the best our country will come to this industry be
teachers because they realize that not only can they make
a good income, but they can truly change the regrests
of our country. So I have never been more excited
about being in a place in a time than right now.
And with President Trump at the lead, and we have

(25:00):
chance to be part of that educational process, I'm li
retally excited about that.

Speaker 1 (25:04):
So my question is, so, with all the with all
the man the mandate, and all the promises that President
Trump has made, and with the Congress se my worry
is that the Congress doesn't act uh and and help
the president. Then this this isn't a glowing moment and
a great moment of example. This could be a moment
where Democrats could seize on on failure. So give me
an idea of what's what are the first big heavy

(25:25):
lifts that you anticipate or if you guys have, if
you've been able to even talk about this or organize,
what's some of the things we can point to very
quickly that the American people will see that times have changed.
This is a new sheriffs in town.

Speaker 3 (25:38):
If you're talking about education, uh, I mean, and there's
a lot of a lot of areas obviously the inflation,
there's a the border with Tull about education. We talked
about bringing innovation to this industry, something that's not been
brought ever to to this this this part of our
of our of our important industry bringing innovation. We're gonna
have choice, but every child that comes that is growing
up that their parents will figure out what the best

(26:00):
place to go to bring innovation to our workforce process
where we can start to really understand how to train
our kids much earlier to enter the workforce. Everybody doesn't
have to go to four year college. We can figure
out earlier in life what they really want to get
done and what industry can go into make and make
a good getting good income. And there's a lot of
different factors and a lot of different things we can
we can talk about with that. We've actually already our

(26:21):
teams put together the legislative of language so that the
first one hundred days we can start making a difference already.
So just know that every piece of the pie here,
every part of our industries, of our legislative bodies are
doing the exact same thing that I'm looking at doing
right now. We're looking at what can we do now
that we have a team in place that we're not
being held up and various put around us to truly

(26:43):
make the difference that Americans can see within the first
one hundred days and then get excited about knowing that
we can they can follow our lead and support us
as we go ahead and finish up this the first
two years. And I look forward to making a part
of that process for.

Speaker 2 (26:54):
Just aonas joining us on our Newsmaker line. You know,
Greg heat could be the chairman of the House Education Committee.
There's a real possibility that may happen.

Speaker 1 (27:03):
And you know we were talking before the show. I
have heard this let's get rid of the Department of
Education since the early since ninety one, okay and I
and it's just been one of those holy grails, one
of these things we talked about. But when the rubber
hits the road really doesn't go anywhere. I think this
is I think we I think we could see it.
And you just heard from Burgess Owens, who's a member
of Congress who is completely committed to letting these states

(27:26):
decide how they're going to deliver education to the kids
inside their state, which is the best way to do
it without without apology. And so I'm excited. I am
just I continue to be excited about what's to come. Yeah, well,
well wait and see what happens. Hopefully some changes are
in the offing.

Speaker 2 (27:40):
All right, more coming up on the Roden Greg Show
in Utah's talk radio one oh five nine, k and
R asked, it's funny Greg this weekend to just listen
and watch the Democrats in their meltdown. I mean, they
just they can't figure. I mean, let me play this,
I've got this is a this is a psychiatry. Okay.

(28:01):
And she was on MSNBC this weekend. Okay, and she said,
you should shun your family members during the holidays if
they voted for Donald Trump, don't associate with them at all.

Speaker 5 (28:12):
So if you are going to a situation where you
have family members, where you have close friends who you
know have voted in ways that are against.

Speaker 6 (28:22):
You, like what you said, against your livelihood.

Speaker 5 (28:25):
And it's completely fine to not be around those people
and to tell them why, you know, to say I
have a problem with the way that you voted because
it went against my very livelihood, and I'm not going
to be around you this holiday.

Speaker 1 (28:38):
I need to take some space for me.

Speaker 2 (28:40):
What happened great? Does the call for unity and getting along.

Speaker 1 (28:44):
Well, that's everything that Democrats too, is a one way street.
Unity is when they win and you need to get
in line. That's what the that's what they think unity means.
It certainly doesn't mean that they have to work with
anybody if it doesn't go their way. In fact, you
know they're going to tell you that. Well. I actually
I just want to stay oither way. I wanted to
keep talking. I love these I love these narratives, keep
them falling apart. I don't want to interrupt a single

(29:06):
word they have to say about as they digest this election,
because I think it just continues to make President Trump's point,
President Electrum's point, and our point, and that is they
are disconnected. They're elitists that really don't even like the populace.

Speaker 2 (29:20):
If you get a chance, folks out there, look at
the pictures of Kamala Harris and Jill Biden at the
Arlington National National Cemetery ceremony today honoring inventors, and boyd,
did she give her the cold shoulder? Yep, Jill Biden
is not a happy lady.

Speaker 1 (29:38):
I thought they had this whole thing wrapped up in.

Speaker 2 (29:39):
One No, no, no, all right, Mark coming up our
number two are Rodd and Gregg. What is taking place?
So I invite you to go out and honor the
events in this great country and great state of ours today.
How are you everybody? Welcome back our number two of
the Rodd and Gregg Show right here on Utah's Talk
Radio one oh five nine canters live everywhere on the
iHeartRadio app. I'm rod Ark, I'm citizen Greg Hughes. All right,

(30:02):
lot to get to. Let's spend some time talking about
the media meltdown, the numbers, what is going on? Greg's
just kind of a crazy world. Let's start off. This
had to pain CBS News to do this today, but
this was the opening of Faith Station yesterday on CBS News.

Speaker 7 (30:21):
Overnight, CBS projected Donald Trump the winner in Arizona, giving
him a complete electoral vote sweep of the seven battleground states.
With a final tally of three hundred and twelve electoral votes.
Republicans scored their biggest White House win in thirty six years.
Republicans will also control the Senate with at least fifty

(30:42):
two seats, and there are two races that have not
yet been called by CBS News.

Speaker 2 (30:48):
The biggest Republican win Greg in thirty six years. Now,
are we all predicting a very close race? Even though
both you and I admitted on the air on the
if it's worth just thinking a close race, But I don't.
But I think you you went along with me on this.
My gut was telling me Donald Trump was going to
do very well.

Speaker 1 (31:08):
Well, I honestly thought, and I still it's still a
belief of mine that if he didn't win it big,
it would be it could be rigged. It was that
too big to rig. Is not just a nice rhyme.
If he you you, if you head it down to
the wire. Look how long it's taking Arizona to come
up with these these these I mean there is it

(31:29):
is just it just plant seeds of doubt or concern
or leaves open the opportunities for voter fraud, which the
perceptions can kill it alone. So I think he had
to win by such decisive numbers and votes to make
sure that you didn't have one hundred and fifty percent
turnout in Fulton County, Georgia. So yeah, I think this

(31:51):
is exactly how he had to win to win, And
that's why I think the media was very quick to
call it. When I say very quick, it took us
until three thirty am. Because I waited, you waited, You
were up all night. I waited for that, you know,
and what we are now seeing from the Democratic Party.
I know you've got an audio sound bite you want
to play with Van Jones here a minute, but I've

(32:11):
got a few I want to share. They're just melting
down all over the place, Craig. I mean, you know,
the real debate over the weekend was we need to
blame Biden. If Biden would have gotten out earlier, that
would have given given us, first of all, a chance
to have a primary. Would have also given Kamala a
chance to show the American people what she is all about.

Speaker 2 (32:29):
So but there's a new strategy now. You know what
the new strategy is. What blame Merrick Garland? Now, why
blame Merrick Garland? Because Merrick Garland could have put Donald
Trump in prison? Okay, and they said, you know, he
should have acted and put Donald Trump behind bars so
Donald Trump could not run for a press that's the.

Speaker 1 (32:51):
New angle now instead of us wanting to argue that way,
we can talk amongst ourselves, sure, but for the other side,
just let them keep talking. Let's not interrupted. Let him
say those things that I got a New York Times
story that they're saying well, you know this was this
was such a poor voter turnout one of the it
wasn't like twenty twenty wins. Biden in his basement got
eighty six or yeah, eighty one million votes. So saying, look,

(33:14):
it's such a low voter turnout. It's not a low
voter turnout. I mean, you still the high watermark was
sixty five million prior to twenty twenty, and you know
that Trump was at seventy four million in twenty twenties.
That he's more than that now. It's not as low
of a voter turnout as they'd like you to believe.
They're also saying that the Washington Post is saying, well,
you know, this isn't this wasn't a big win for

(33:36):
the Republicans because of Trump. You know, this wasn't the
big red wave. It says election was a Trump victory,
not a red wave. Oh come on, we have the
House which everyone thought we were going to lose, and
we just took the Senate. I think the trifecta actually
does translate into a Republican win, a big one.

Speaker 2 (33:50):
I would think. So, well, here's some of the other
crazy comments being made. This is Jamal Simmons. He is
the former communications director for Kamala Harris. He provoked an
immediate reaction when he suggested on live television something that
he thinks Joe Biden should do right now.

Speaker 8 (34:06):
Joe Biden's been a phenomenal president. He's lived up to
so many of the promises he's made. Is one promise
left that he could fulfill. Being a transitional figure. He
could resign the presidency in the next thirty days, make
Kamala Harris the president of the United States would be absolved,
being able to from having to oversee the January sixth
transition right of her of her own defeat, and it

(34:26):
would make sure that it would dominate the news at
a point where Democrats have to learn drama.

Speaker 2 (34:33):
They've got to learn drama. They've got to learn they've
got to learn how to seize back and control the media.
Is he nuts?

Speaker 1 (34:39):
Do you see how unserious they are?

Speaker 2 (34:41):
Ye?

Speaker 1 (34:41):
Remember, there's they're protecting democracy. So we're going to insert
someone who's never received vote. We're going to put them
in as presidence so they can, you know, because we
don't want her to have to preside over the Senate
with you know, and it's an embarrassing loss. They I
still think they are so unbelievably disconnected from everyday people
that that that would even be something that you would think,
let alone say out loud, but then say out loud

(35:01):
on a on that Wiley watched or at least moderately
watched the cable news program.

Speaker 4 (35:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (35:07):
And this is someone now, by the way, who is
not disconnected from what's going on. This is a surrogate
of Kamala Harris. She was on Fox News over the weekend.
She raised money like you wouldn't believe for Kamala Harris.
Here's her reaction to what happened on election.

Speaker 9 (35:22):
You know, I'm not on anyone's payroll. I'm not holding
to anyone. That's why I'm here telling the truth. I'm
not here to gasla anybody. This is just the truth.

Speaker 2 (35:30):
It is the truth.

Speaker 9 (35:31):
The truth is the This is just an epic disaster.
This is a one billion, one billion dollar disaster. Actually
it was one billion, eighteen million, I think right, they're
twenty million or twenty million or eighteen I was in debt,
It's incredible, and I raised millions of that. I have
friends that I have to be accountable to and to
explain what happened, because I told them it was a

(35:52):
margin of error race. I was promised General Mally Dillon
promised all of us that Harris would win. She even
put videos out saying that Harris would win. I believed her,
My donors believed her, and so they wrote massive checks.
I just I feel like a lot of us are misled.
And even on their night of election night, will I
looked somebody in the eye and I said, are we

(36:12):
going to do this? Are we going to pull it off?

Speaker 2 (36:14):
She told me yes, boy. A lot of us were
misled thinking that Kamalo will win this.

Speaker 1 (36:19):
And then you have the bizarre stories that are emerging
about how this campaign money that was just talked about
that was contributed to the billion dollars plus, yes, a
million dollars to Oprah Winfrey and her production company for
some event a million bucks. If you're gonna tell America,
Oprah that the democracy is at stake, you'd think you'd
do it in kind to do it, well, wouldn't you

(36:40):
make that statement? You think you care enough about the
country you don't have to be paid as a billionaire
a million dollars to put that event on, or these
concerts they were all paid artists at these concerts. And
then then it makes me wonder, So maybe that's why
Beyonce in Houston just came up and said go Kamlain
and walked off, and everyone thought she'd do the concert.

(37:01):
Maybe they didn't meet her price. Maybe she had a
price more than Willie Nelson. Will and Nelson, you know,
he sung a few bars out there. He had a
ninety eight years old and one hundred and ninety eight
years old whatever he is.

Speaker 2 (37:11):
Well, what about that podcast? Was it Called Me Daddy Podcast? Yes,
where they constructed a set for Kamala to do that
show because what she didn't want to go to their
studio or she didn't want to go to the one
hundred two hundred thousand dollars on that.

Speaker 1 (37:24):
Over one hundred thousand dollars to replicate the Call Me
Daddy podcast set so that she didn't have to actually
go to the set. And at over one hundred it's
not even that elaborative a set to say that, I
think that costs over one hundred thousand dollars to build.
This isn't a thirty year construction home we're talking about.
There's no foundation, there's no there's no, I mean, this
thing is not anyway I I And now they're like

(37:47):
twenty twenty million.

Speaker 2 (37:48):
In day after raising a billion dollars for the campaign.
Twenty million. Now. Another one who I think touches on
reality occasionally its former Obama official Van Joins, who was
on CNN over the weekend talking about where the Democratic
Party stands today. Here we go. If you're the Democrats,

(38:09):
what are you gonna do for the next two years?

Speaker 10 (38:12):
Were all going to therapy?

Speaker 11 (38:16):
Why are we here?

Speaker 3 (38:17):
There's nothing.

Speaker 11 (38:18):
If you're a Democrat.

Speaker 10 (38:19):
All we can say is we hope that Susy decides
that she's gonna take a long vacation, that they hire
some terrible people and make some mistakes to give us
a chance. Right down, they had everything. They got the
Supreme Court, they got the Electoral College, they got the House,
they got probably they got the Senate, they got the
populative vote, and we're just sitting here with the dunce
cap on last miss time.

Speaker 3 (38:38):
Last week.

Speaker 10 (38:39):
We thought we were the smartest people in the world. We
thought Donald Trump was an idiot, We thought his campaign
made no sense, And it turned out they were smarter
than us. And we don't have anything to say you know,
I can sit here and pretend I know something.

Speaker 3 (38:48):
Here's what I know.

Speaker 10 (38:49):
Everybody I know is miserable. Everybody's on these zoom calls.
Nobody's got any good ideas, and we're gonna take us
a while to figure this out.

Speaker 1 (38:57):
That is just a poetry, absolutely poetry. I again, just
let him keep talking, killing him, keep van Jones is
there to report? We got nothing? We got nothing. I
don't I don't know what we don't. We don't, we
don't anyway. I just think and I think he's being honest,
and that is a very honest moment for him.

Speaker 2 (39:15):
But he was, you know, he's You're right, he's being
very honest. What do the Democrats do.

Speaker 1 (39:20):
Now, Yeah, they they because this is their problem. I
think they're gonna I think they fragment or one of
those sides carries the day. And when I say sides,
I'm talking those that want to be Centrists again, or
aren't comfortable with boys playing girls sports, or chemically castrating kids,
or or or think that, you know, meritocracy means something
in America, that what you do means something, versus you're

(39:42):
judged by the color of your skin, which is what
they flipped the script on if you don't, if you've
never been comfortable with those narratives, and you're still a Democrat.
That's what the Democrats used to be. But the but
the elitists and the you know, the social engineers, they
just they've always wanted what they're talking about now in
terms of controlling people. It's just it's just compelling behavior

(40:03):
the way they want it. And that's that's where this is.
This part that party, it doesn't know what it's It
doesn't know if it's the elitists and the billionaires social
engineering project, or if they're going to be a party
for everyday people or they want to be both, and
they can't. So I I think if the Republicans can
get some things done with this mandate and with the Senate,

(40:25):
and uh, you know, Burgess Owens thankfully said, even with
a slow majority, with the great relationship the Speaker has
with Trump and the way Whip votes, that that is
going to be an easier Congress to manage the majority
of the Republicans. And I think that's an important detail
that we did not see in the past Congress. And
and to have a president that the Speaker of the

(40:46):
House is so aligned with to get some good things accomplished.

Speaker 2 (40:49):
As a result of Donald Trump and this big win. Greg,
I think the Democratic Party as it stands today is
going to have a very difficult time for several years
now to shed the perception that they are the party
of the extremes. And it's going to take a whale
of an effort to convince the American people for the
Democratic Party to say to the American people, we understand you,

(41:10):
and I don't think America. I don't think Americans believe it.

Speaker 1 (41:12):
If you listen to Van Jones, the only thing he
said was we just hope they make a lot of mistakes.
They're going to criticize the Republicans for every move they make,
whether it's a mistake or not, and call it a
mistake because that's all they have. They have no vision,
they have no message, but they're just going to be critics.

Speaker 2 (41:26):
Yeah, all right, when we come back, we're going to
open up the phones to you with this question today.
I've got some numbers I want to share with you,
But the story is, the question is to you for
you today. Is the Republican Party of Mitt Romney and
Jeff Flake and Bill Crystal done eight eight eight five
seven eight zero one zero eight eight eight five seven

(41:46):
o eight zero one zero on your cell phone. I'll
pound two to fifteen and say, hey, Rod, we'll get
to your calls and comments coming up right here on
the Rodd and Greg Show and Talk Radio one oh
five nine Canterais. Is the party of Mitt Romney, Paul Ryan,
John McCain, Jeff Flake, Spencer Cox. I'll throw him in
there too. Is the Republican Party? That kind of Republican party?

(42:10):
Is it basically dead or near death right now as
a result of Donald Trump's big victory in last Tuesday's election.
I want to take you back. When was this Greg?
This was last year? Last year. This is Paul Ryan
appearing on CBS News this morning talking about Donald Trump
and the possibility of him winning the White House.

Speaker 12 (42:30):
I'm not a Trump fan. I want to win, and
if we nominate Trump, we're going to lose. We hasn't
won anything since twenty sixteen. We lost the House in eighteen,
we lost the presidency in twenty We've lost the Senate.
We would have won the Senate this time in twenty
two had it not been for Trump and his nominees
and some of our key primary elections, and my guess
is we probably would have picked up ten to fifteen

(42:51):
seats in the House if it weren't for his involvement.

Speaker 2 (42:54):
I'm not Wow. Yes, wow, eat your words, Paul Ryan. Yeah,
it's amazing.

Speaker 1 (43:00):
He was a running mate for Mitt Romney. And that
Paul I mean Paul Ryan. He started out great. It
was a young guns had great policy conservative and then
he just got pulled into that world. You know, he's
on the Fox. He's on the Fox Fox Corporation board
of directors. Yeah, what are they going to do? Like
that's the old school Republican way in my mind that

(43:20):
I don't know what our listeners are going to say.
I have a hint or a feeling, but I'm done
with that party. That party doesn't represent every day. Mark.

Speaker 2 (43:28):
Well, yeah, I want to get to college here and
we'll do so right now. But when we have a minute,
I'll share with a breakdown of Trump versus Romney. Trump
in twenty four versus Romney in twenty twelve, and Donald
Trump has made significant gains and the GOP is much
more diverse now thanks to Donald Trump. Well, let's hear
what you have to say. We begin and will on

(43:49):
I think the Banga or highway Will How are you
welcome to the Rodding Greg Show. Thanks for joining us.

Speaker 3 (43:55):
I'm good.

Speaker 13 (43:56):
Thanks for taking my call.

Speaker 2 (43:57):
You're welcome. What are your thoughts on this?

Speaker 13 (44:01):
My thoughts on this is that that party of Romney
and Paul and everybody else, it dang well better be
done because they've had time and time and time again.
I mean, they had full control of everything in sixteen
and they couldn't do anything. And that just tells me
that they weren't willing to actually do anything. Has it
been said by multiple talk heads and by even Trump himself?

(44:23):
We need to get real leadership in positions where they
need to be so we can actually fix the country.

Speaker 1 (44:29):
I agree. And that was you know, that was it
was Paul Ryan on the clock. He was he was
still a resentful guy from his race. They didn't win
Trump wins, and it wasn't unified. They weren't re unified
with the executive branch and President Trump.

Speaker 2 (44:41):
They were not. Let's go back to the phones. Let's
talk with Johnny in West Jordan tonight here on the
Roden Greg Show. Johnny, how, why are you? Thanks very
much for joining us?

Speaker 3 (44:49):
I'm good.

Speaker 14 (44:50):
I'm I'm on Marine Corps disabled that and I don't
understand how these people can not figure out the fact
that Donald Trump has create had millions and millions of jobs.
The day after he was I liked this just in
mental health workers.

Speaker 1 (45:15):
I was just so I was so wrapped into your
service and it's Veteran's Day and I was there. But
you're right, I mean, the mental health industry is just
going to thrive over this good job. I agree.

Speaker 2 (45:25):
I do like that good thing.

Speaker 14 (45:27):
You know.

Speaker 2 (45:27):
All right, more of your phone calls when we come
back here on Utah's Talk Radio one oh five nine
k n r S.

Speaker 1 (45:33):
Doesn't matter home away, you could be even traveling, and
you can always stay in touch. The show is also
a podcast at the end, and you can catch up
on anything you might have missed out on. You don't
want to miss the show.

Speaker 2 (45:44):
You don't want to miss a minute of this year.
You really don't, Yeah, you really don't. You know, we
need to mention just briefly. Abby is playing injured today.

Speaker 1 (45:52):
She is I didn't know if that would be if
we were going to go there, but she is, uh,
and she is a soldier for the cause. She is
She is fighting through injury and she's here.

Speaker 2 (46:02):
Yeah. Well she went to the eye doctor today for
you know, a checkup, a procedure maybe down the road,
but she came in what do they call that, they
dilate the eyeball or whatever. Bless her are how she's
even reading the news? I have no idea.

Speaker 1 (46:18):
Well, it's a bad time when you go to the
eye doctor and they bring in a seeing eye dog
for you to meet and they want to introduce you
to it, and they started getting to give you So
that was probably a bad way for that that doctor's
visit to go. Yeah, yeah, because the dog's here.

Speaker 2 (46:30):
Yeah, yeah, the dog she brought. The dog she brought.

Speaker 1 (46:32):
The scene eye dog they brought. They got her.

Speaker 2 (46:34):
Yeah, the pooch is here today. A couple of things
I want to We want to get back to your
phone calls. The question is is the Republican Party of
Paul Ryan, Mitt Romney, John McCain, Jeff Flake. There, I say,
Spencer Cox, you know where does this stand in light
of what happened with the huge victory by Donald Trump
a week ago? Tomorrow now Byron York who I really like,

(46:56):
Washington Examinar. He's on Fox. You see him quite often.
Wrote an article today about how Donald Trump has made
met Romney's GOP much more diverse. And he goes starting
with race, than he goes to age. He looks at education,
he looks at income, he looks at ideology, and he
wraps it up by saying this, Greg, and I want
to get people's thoughts on this. The overwhelming majority of

(47:19):
Republicans support Trump, seventy four million of them, but there's
always been a relatively small, and I would agree with this,
but vocal group that would prefer a return to the
GOP of Romney, George W. Bush and John McCain, along
with Paul Ryan. Many people Greg in that group truly
believe Trump is unfit to be president, but it's also

(47:42):
true that they felt more comfortable in the older Republican
Party they would like to go back. Perhaps they hope
that a Trump defeat last week would spell the end
of the Trump era in American politics, and he ends
by saying, instead, we saw an impressive victory and are
heading toward a second Trump term. Now. The question is

(48:03):
not whether the GOP will return to Bush, Romney McCain
not going to happen, but how much of a lasting
change Trump has made in the Republican Party. How much
of a change is he made, do you think? And
will it last when he goes.

Speaker 1 (48:16):
Let me tell you the test for that. I think
the first first test, and it's not the first one
hundred days. It's what's going to happen in the United
States Senate in terms of the majority leader. Yes, what
we don't need is a McConnell acolyte who is just
going to who was disparaging Trump as the Senate majority
leader in the election, who stiffed Ted Cruz center Cruise

(48:38):
with a one hundred million dollars of Democrat money pouring
in against him. Mcconnald didn't send any of their Senate
Republican campaign money his way, didn't send any to Scott
in Florida. He has picked winners and losers and has
shown that he would prefer to be the minority leader
and a minority of Republicans in the Senate, then to
see the Senate, the Senate take the majority, but him

(48:58):
not be in charge. And if any of his members
of leadership, of which he has to feel very comfortable with,
would even continue in that same vein that that would
that would not be our new president elect, a former
president future president Trump's strongest play. So I would hope
that that Scott center Scott is going to get the

(49:19):
votes of our of his colleagues and become the Senate majority.

Speaker 2 (49:22):
Well, we saw in Foxton's going to go. Tommy Tubberville
Alabama Center has come out in support of Rick Scott,
but I've seen others now starting line the line up
between Thune and and John Cordon out of Texas. So
you know, they've got to understand what the American people
have said. They may not like the idea, but Donald
Trump has said I'm changing Washington, and either they go

(49:44):
along with it if they hinder Trump's effort to make
some changes.

Speaker 15 (49:50):
Here's that.

Speaker 2 (49:51):
Yeah, and I have to let the people who are
not going to be very happy.

Speaker 1 (49:53):
I got to warn people these these majority leaders, there
are these leadership elections in the legislative bodies. So you
need fifty percent play one of whatever the number of
your caucuses. Okay, well, if say that's twenty seven, let's
just be optimistic and say it was twenty six or
twenty seven. You're not going to get to that number
on the first vote with three candidates. So if it's
thuon that drops whichever gets the lowest number drops out

(50:15):
out if and a lot of people are arguing that
Coronine and Thune are almost the same, just different sides
of the same coin. And so if one of those
were two were to drop out, the two of them
and their collective support would then probably coalesce and beat Scott.
And I don't want to be a Debbie Downer. I'm
just telling you that the politics of those elections you

(50:38):
want to be anyway, It's just it's there's that Senate majority,
both being in Senate leadership right now, Cornyan and Thun
if they're getting strong votes, and even if even if
Scott had enough to beat one of them or was
close like between, as soon as one drops off, they
will probably go to the other guy, not Scott. So

(50:58):
it's going to be interesting and I won't like that,
but I'm going to tell you but there's been pressure.
I mean, I'd love to see that change.

Speaker 2 (51:04):
There are rumblings. Now these are just rumblings, and we
don't know how much of this is true. The media
is kind of hinting at this today that two of
those candidates, Cornyn and Thune, are very uncomfortable with Donald
Trump's aggressive agenda. That is not what we want to hear.
And that may be a media creation or it could
be true.

Speaker 1 (51:21):
You don't know in what a way. I mean, again,
the Republicans won on the strength of Donald Trump. It's
why there wasn't a red waven I would argue in
twenty two why wasn't there because he wasn't on the ballot.
You're seeing this success because of the leadership of Donald
Trump and how he's pulling a coalition across this country
of Americans. That's the game plan. And if you're not
on that plan, I mean, it's just going to and

(51:44):
the irony will be. That will be what the Democrats
hit Republicans on.

Speaker 2 (51:47):
All right, let's go to the phones. We want to
ask you if you think the party of Mitt Romney
and Jeff Flake and Paul Ryan and John McCain George W.
Bush is that party done for now that Donald Trump
is in charge? To the phones we go. Let's talk
with in West Valley tonight.

Speaker 3 (52:03):
Ed.

Speaker 2 (52:03):
How are you welcome to the Rod and Gregg Show.

Speaker 16 (52:07):
Thank you very much, gentlemen. You've set this up well.
I believe that the neo Kahn is gone. I believe
he's been gone for a while. He just didn't know it.
And Trump put the final nail in their coffins last
week about this coming Wednesday, this vote. First of all,
one of the wicked men of the past in this
and he's wicked. He's worse than a Democrat Mitch McConnell.

(52:28):
He should have waited for this.

Speaker 4 (52:30):
He could have waited until the new Senate took.

Speaker 6 (52:32):
Place here in early January.

Speaker 16 (52:34):
He wants, he wants what we have now. I understand
somehow like Curtis's votes can account tomorrow on Wednesday, Rod.

Speaker 2 (52:42):
I believe it. I believe that will be allowed to
vote in that.

Speaker 16 (52:48):
Okay, well, okay, here's the thing. I know that, Rod,
you followed the Gateway Pundit from time to time.

Speaker 2 (52:55):
Uh huh, Yes, I do.

Speaker 16 (52:57):
Okay, They've got a good dissertation on this. The fact
is we need Rick Scott anything less. Mister Conran is
worse than McConnell. Mister Conran in Texas, of all places,
he got booed off the stage at the Nashville at
the NRA, at the National Rifle Association a year and
a half ago. This man is lethal, and he is

(53:18):
against Trump. The rumblings are real. What you're hearing Rod
about him being against the Trump. He's just having to
hold back right now because of the Trump quake that
hit him last week.

Speaker 4 (53:28):
The fact is and Thune is not much better.

Speaker 16 (53:30):
We need Rick Scott in there so that Trump can
get the.

Speaker 4 (53:34):
And people need to realize this. So they need to
call not just our senators.

Speaker 16 (53:39):
Mike Lee's on board.

Speaker 4 (53:40):
That should tell you a lot.

Speaker 16 (53:41):
Mike Lee and Ron Johnson and Wisconsin they're on board
with mister Scott. We need to call other senators like
Ted Cruz. That guy I'm starting to feel bad again
about him when he went up against Trump at sixteen.
Here he is pleading for money out here in Utah
for his center race, and we help him out. And
what does this guy do He's back in thuon come

(54:02):
out here.

Speaker 2 (54:02):
Wow, I didn't I didn't realize that. Thank you Ed
for your phone call on that.

Speaker 1 (54:06):
That's pretty amazing to me and and for listeners if
they if they remember last week we interviewed Senator elect
John Curtis and when we asked him this question, it
wasn't as hot of a topic. It hadn't really got
up like it has over this weekend. He said it
was between between Cornine and Thune. He was trying to
weigh between He wasn't Scott didn't come up center, Scott
didn't come up.

Speaker 2 (54:24):
What kind of a message I want to ask you,
what kind of a message does it send to Trump
supporters if Thune or Cornyn are selected to leave the Senate.
I think it'll take off a lot of it.

Speaker 3 (54:36):
It will.

Speaker 1 (54:36):
And we got to be careful because I'm going to
tell you, and I'm not I'm not saying this from
a position weakness or defeat. I'm just going to tell
you that we cannot slow down and if and if
that Senate doesn't go with Scott, we just cannot. Somehow.
We just got to keep moving. And there has to
be this absolute expectation that we are going to fulfill
that agenda, that he has it very well articulated and

(54:57):
having been through and have served a term and learn
learn so much, President Trump, There's not going to be
a lot of wiggle room this time around like there
was with you know what, Paul Ryan is the speaker
in the house when he got in there, and those
two kind of clashing, and it won't be like that
I hope, but Scott, truly, we have just got to
get the right majority leader in there, and I hope

(55:17):
it happens.

Speaker 2 (55:18):
All right, more coming up on the Rod and Greg Show.
On this some Monday night here on Utah's Talk Radio
one oh five nine can ters talk about the anti
crime election that took place, and Bethany Mandel will join
us a little bit later on talk about to tell
us about how liberal moms are going crazy and making
life very difficult for their children. We'll talk about that

(55:38):
coming up in the next hour. Right now, we're asking
you about the future of the GOP. Is it going
to be a Romney like party or as Donald Trump
now taking advantage of it? And what will the party
look like in the future.

Speaker 1 (55:51):
So let's go to you and our callers. Let's go
to Lisa and Sandy. Lisa, thank you for holding and
thank you for joining us on the Rod and Greg Show.

Speaker 4 (56:00):
Well, thank you.

Speaker 6 (56:00):
It's a pleasure to visit with both of you. It's
been a great week, hasn't it.

Speaker 1 (56:05):
Glorious?

Speaker 6 (56:06):
Glorious, glorious. Find out I've been smiling all week. Hey,
I did want to mention something about the Senate. The
leader of the Senate. There's three people running. But what
I've heard at the scuttle but is that Tim Scott
doesn't have the money to get the vote. Part of

(56:29):
the problem is, actually I have to explain a little
bit better that I'm doing. I was listening to Jesse
Kelly last night or the night before anyway. He's fabulous,
just like you guys are. He's very very smart when
it comes.

Speaker 17 (56:41):
To election stuff.

Speaker 6 (56:42):
He says that part of the problem is the older
centers are the ones who decide who they give the
money to, and whoever gives the money to them then
they owe them a favor later on. And he mentioned that,
and he gave an example using Josh Hollie. He was
given six hundred and twenty three thousand by one of
those two senators and so he threw his vote against

(57:05):
the senator that gave him the money. So basically, you
can buy anything in this world with many well, and
that's kind of what's happening. A lot of them will
choose that over the Trump and I hope and pray
that we don't get either one of those two in
that we do get mister Scott in.

Speaker 1 (57:23):
Well, she brings up a very good point and that
is a part of leadership races, or can be. And
it's and if you look at financial disclosures you'll see that.
You'll see thon Senator soon Sentator Cornine. Their their name's
on a lot, a lot of contributions. Now, Mitch McConnell
was giving out a lot of money in that race too.
He gave Marino, the new centator elect from Ohio, over
one hundred million dollars. And it looks like he would

(57:48):
he would support uh, Senator Tim Scott. However, I'm sorry
Rick Scott, but but but if that money came out,
you know who knows who he votes for, which I
think it's a secret ballot.

Speaker 2 (58:01):
It is a secret ballot. You're right, So it's you'll
be interesting to see what happens with Rick Scott. Remember
they were two things. First of all, remember what John
Thune said when Donald Trump ran into all his trouble. Yeah,
solely Rix Thune said he should step aside and Mike
Pence should take his place.

Speaker 1 (58:19):
In sixteen And then even when he was asked about
the next upcoming election, he said, I hope he shows
if he's a nominee, will you vote for me? He said,
I hope to have other options. Yeah, and so that's
not a guy that said, you know, so, how is.

Speaker 2 (58:30):
Someone like that Greg going to carry out the agenda
that Donald Trump wants to get done in Washington?

Speaker 1 (58:35):
Because he might, because I'm telling you, because I'm already
planning on this happening, because I'd love I'd love, you know,
I'd love for Rick Scott to win Center Scott from Florida.
But his lack of contributions and him getting stiffed on
contributions himself, I'm worried. You can't end the whole thing
there though, before we even swear in Trump, there just
has to be an understanding with these senators, every single

(58:57):
one of them. They are not going to last long
if they want to be a uniparty Republican And this
is only going on the strength and momentum of that
Donald Trump has brought to the party to Washington, and
they got to get on board. They're going to lose
their election next time around, I think.

Speaker 3 (59:13):
So.

Speaker 2 (59:13):
I think the American people have said, to the number
of which really bothers me to say this, more than
seventy four million people, I'm always saying I lost a
bet huge across right, now because of this. But you know,
if they don't get that, the American people, I think
voted for Donald Trump because they want change. And this

(59:35):
been said time and time again, Greg, the US Senate
is a bit of a country club and they need
to change. They need to understand that the American people. Yeah,
they all may be millionaires and billionaires in there, except
for Mike Lee. I don't know Mike Is. There may
be a few others out there who don't have the
wealth that many of them have. But you better listen
to the American people because the American people want change.

(59:59):
Donald Trump is ready to be that agent of change.
But I don't know if those senators are willing to
go along with him in that troll.

Speaker 1 (01:00:07):
They will be bystanders in history or they will be
they will be the opposition in history if they if
they aren't on board, and that's that's up to them.

Speaker 2 (01:00:15):
Yeah. Well, we've done a lot of examining of the numbers.
But one issue that has come up about this election,
they're calling it the anti crime election. That's coming up
next them The Rod and Gregg Show. Stay with us.
It is the Rod and Gregg Show on Utah's Talk
Radio one. Oh five nine can arrest live everywhere, of
course on the I Art radio app. I'm rod Arkuett,

(01:00:37):
I'm citizen Greg Hughes. All right, we've been waiting for this.
There is a story out there tonight. Apparently Gateway Pundit,
who one of our colleges mentioned, very popular website, is
reporting that the GOP will keep control of the House,
Republicans will control all three branches of government. Now, we
haven't seen that anywhere else so far, Greg. They're basing

(01:00:58):
it on a report out of Reuter which is saying
the Republicans will win at least two hundred and eighteen
seats and could win a few more. That's what they need, Greg.
So I'm not sure where this is going as of yet,
but that's what Gateway Pundit is reporting at this hour.

Speaker 1 (01:01:13):
Yeah, I mean the New York Times will be the
last to do it because they they hate the news
so much and they hate this idea that they're still
stuck at two fourteen. They're not eighteen yet, but anyway,
but I look, Fox News called for President Trump at
twelve thirty at night. It took till three thirty am
for CNA to digest the hard truth. So there probably

(01:01:33):
there's probably a couple hours.

Speaker 2 (01:01:34):
Lack it will happen. We'll wait and see. Now, a
lot of things went into this election, the issue of immigration,
the issue of and this may be tied to it,
the issue of the economy, but certainly the issue of
crime played a key factor in this and that may
be related, as you've pointed out in the past, Greg
connected with illegal immigration in this country. Well, was this

(01:01:56):
the anti crime election? Joining us on our Newsmaker line
right now to talk about that is Rafael Mangual. He
is a fellow and deputy director of Legal policy at
the Manhattan Institute, also a contributor to the City Journal. Rafael,
thank you very much for joining us tonight. Why are
you calling this, in your opinion, Raphael, the anti election,

(01:02:17):
anti crime election.

Speaker 17 (01:02:18):
I know a lot of attention has been paid to
the presidential contest result, but if you take a deeper
look at some of the state and local contests, what
you're going to see are two things. One is that
progressive prosecutors took a big hit all around the country,
particularly in California. You had George Gascon who succeeded Kamala
Harris as the DA in San Francisco before moving on

(01:02:40):
to become the DA in La get Housted. This was
in a contest up against a person named Nate Hoffman
who ran a very law and order centered campaign. So
that's a surprising result at least, you know, if you're
going by what the last sort of you know, ten
years had been like in cities like Los Angeles and
in states like California. Further north in the Golden State,

(01:03:01):
you had Pamela Price the DA in Alameda County, which
includes Oakland, California. Looks like she's about to be successfully
recalled along with the Oakland mayor, Shang Tao. Both of
them ran their campaigns on anti police messages and pro
criminal justice reform agendas. That auster comes just a couple
of years after Chase A. Boudin was ousted in San Francisco.

(01:03:24):
His replacement, Brooke Jenkins as DA in San Francisco, won
her first election to the office after a half term
serving there. You had progressive das lose their contests in Kenosha, Wisconsin,
in Athens, Georgia, where Lake and Riley was murdered, and
and and in a couple other parts of the country.

(01:03:46):
The other thing that we saw too, though, were interesting
ballot initiatives that I think really told the same story.
So in California, in addition to Gascone and Pamela Price
and Shang Tao, you had Proposition thirty six, passed with
an overwhelming margin seventy percent of the vote. Proposition thirty

(01:04:07):
six sought to reverse elements of Proposition forty seven, which
took effect in twenty fourteen, and basically decriminalized a bunch
of public order offenses like low level theft and certain
kinds of drug offenses. Who had recriminalized certain drug offenses.
It returned felony status to certain kinds of theft offenses,

(01:04:28):
which you know, I think is a really important development,
particularly in a state like California. If you look at Arizona,
which is one of the seven swing states in this
election go round, you had several ballot initiatives that implicated crime,
law enforcement, and public order. You had prop three to
one one, which proposed new court fetes for criminal convictions,

(01:04:49):
which are going to fund a new death benefit for
police officers and other first responders killed in the line
of duty. It also includes harsher penalties for assaulting first responders.
You had three twelve, which by the way, got nearly
sixty percent of the vote, which is going to make
people eligible for tax refunds when the government fails to
enforce laws and ordinances prohibiting things like homeless encampments, loitering,

(01:05:13):
blocking traffic, panhandling, public urination, defecation, and open air drug
and alcohol use. Then you had Prop Three to thirteen
in Arizona, got nearly two thirds of the vote, which
puts life sentences on the table for child sex trafficking.
You had Prop Three fourteen, which creates new state offenses
for illegal immigration and a new felony for a selling

(01:05:34):
sentinel that results in a death. Then you look at Colorado,
which is a very solidly blue state, and you look
at their ballot propositions that were successful this time around,
with sixty two percent of the vote. You had Proposition
one twenty eight, creating a new truth and sentencing regime
requiring certain offenders to serve eighty five percent of their

(01:05:55):
time before they're.

Speaker 16 (01:05:55):
Eligible for release.

Speaker 17 (01:05:57):
The state also voted to amend its constitutions to take
away the right to bail and first agree murder cases.
And you had Proposition one thirty, which directed at three
hundred and sixty million dollars to police recruitment of attention.
So these are really incredible shifts in otherwise, you know,
blue or very purple states that are driven by disorder

(01:06:19):
problems that have been plaguing in blue cities across the
country for at least a decade.

Speaker 1 (01:06:23):
So here's my question. I think Georgia Gescon is like
the poster child, at least for me. I'm out here
in Utah, but I'm looking at They tried to recall him,
They tried to you know, they've they tried to get
rid of him earlier than this election. It was a
successful election, and replacing him all these propositions that you're
talking about. I don't think George Soros is just going
to take his toys and go home, unfortunately. And my

(01:06:45):
question to you is, with this kind of great movement,
and I love all the states and everything that you're narrating,
can we depend on the people to have taken inventory
on these soft on crime catch and release, you know,
shoplift up to one thousand dollars in your fine craziness
in ways of laws and really see the pendulum come back.
Or is George Soros going to depend on the public

(01:07:05):
having a short memory. What do you see going forward
for this country?

Speaker 17 (01:07:10):
Oh, I think him and his allies are absolutely going
to double down, particularly in the jurisdictions where they enjoyed
some electoral success this time around, and want to make
sure that the listeners understand it was certainly not a
clean suite for the law and order camps.

Speaker 3 (01:07:24):
Right.

Speaker 17 (01:07:24):
You had progressive prosecutors winning in El Paso, in Houston, Texas,
in Austin, Texas, and that might surprise some people, right
because Texas is a red state. You would think that
the change would come there before it would come in
a place like California and Colorado. But I think the
lesson of this election cycle is the following. One of
the reasons we're seeing the change happen so fast in

(01:07:45):
the blue cities and states, I think has a lot
to do with the fact that those are the places
that are dealing with serious public disorder problems that are
sort of plaguing the city centers in downtowns in a
way that's just not quite the case yet in the
places where the progress prosecutors have won, right, So, I
do think that's something to keep an eye out for
as you you know, if you think about cities like

(01:08:07):
Los Angeles, San Francisco, Oakland, Denver, Phoenix, Tucson, they've been
dealing with mass homeless encampments with and out of control
migrant crisis. They've been dealing with fentanyl and drug use
and open air drug markets in the streets. That's the
kind of thing that I think we're starting to see
really motivates the median voter, who might have otherwise gone

(01:08:27):
along with some of this reform stuff so long as
they weren't paying a price in the parts of the
country where the crime problem and the disorder problem tends
to be relatively cabin to certain parts of the city
that most of the politically well to do don't really
care to frequent all that much. I think the change
is going to.

Speaker 2 (01:08:44):
Be slower raphel What a voters learn from this? What
is a key lesson coming out of this quote? Do
you think?

Speaker 3 (01:08:52):
Well?

Speaker 17 (01:08:52):
I think the absolutely number one lesson here is that
public order matters and that they have a voice, right
you know. I think what we're going to see over
the next few years is that the sky is not
going to fall in the way the progressives would have
told us that it would fall, if we undid some
of these reforms and if we march in a more
law and order direction, I think what voters in California

(01:09:13):
and Colorado are going to see are really positive results
that are going to come from the actions that they took.
And I hope that that's going to encourage more movement
in a saner direction and more jurisdictions across the country.

Speaker 2 (01:09:25):
On our newsmaker line, Raphael Monguali's from City Journal talking
about an anti crime vote, and I think you saught
all around the country, Greg, the American people do not
want these soft on crime prosecutors. Now, we didn't win everything,
but we made a real tend into what George Soros
has foisted upon this country.

Speaker 1 (01:09:42):
Well, the lesson to be learned there is that sometimes
it takes some of these horrifically bad and dangerous policies
to really hit home, and you have to see them
pretty clearly, and then it's not even a question. I mean,
how does Houston, Texas not how does Houston, Texas elect
a soft on crime prosecutor while Los Angeles is booting theirs? Well,

(01:10:02):
I'll tell you that just hasn't gotten bad enough, is
Raphael pointed out. It has gotten bad enough yet to
do it, but it will come. It is about the
most self defeating concept we've ever heard, to not have
your law and order prosecutor, you know, going after people
that break the break the law.

Speaker 2 (01:10:20):
It sounds like a joke, but it's not. But they
did pull back that proposition in California a little bit.
They had to steal what up to one thousand dollars
before it became a felony.

Speaker 1 (01:10:29):
Yeah, they had calculators out there that's gone low, I
mean no. And they have even in that proposition, they
they've gotten some of those felonies. They've made them into
mystmeanor they were made into mystimeters or back to being
felonies again. Those are things that have to happen.

Speaker 2 (01:10:43):
All right, when we come back. Another example as to
why still after last week's election the Democrats still don't
get it. We'll talk about it coming up right here
on the Rod and Greg Show in Utah's Talk Radio
one O five nine K and are asked, now, we've
been talking about Donald Trump, and is Donald Trump creating

(01:11:04):
a new Republican Party, and is the party of people
like Mitt Romney, John McCain, George W. Bush. Yeah, is
it is? It basically gone And we've been getting your
phone calls on that throughout the day.

Speaker 1 (01:11:17):
Christ Smart's listening audience and all the land. Let's go
to the phones, Brian and Bluffdale. Thank you for holding
and welcome to the Roden Greg Show.

Speaker 15 (01:11:26):
Hey, guys, Uh, the Republican Party, if Donald Trump chose
to kill it, he could do it. If he wasn't
burdened by all the lawfare that was going on in
the last four years. I think he could have. I
think he could have built a coalition to literally create

(01:11:50):
a brand new party, which would have made the Republicans irrelevantly.

Speaker 11 (01:11:56):
That's just my thought.

Speaker 1 (01:11:58):
I think he had you know, Brian, I think as
the political swat to do that. I do think he's
better advantaged as president with the Republican with the Republican
Party in the House and Senate. Look Senate, though, I mean,
they have got to get it together and they if
they're trying to hang onto the past. Yeah it will be.
It will be to their own demise.

Speaker 2 (01:12:15):
Yeah, it will be. I mean Donald Trump got more
than seventy four million votes out there the American people
and did the same thing four years ago. He's got
a few more. This time around, the American people have spoken,
and he talked about change. He talked about, you know,
shrinking Washington, and I think most Americans want that. I mean,
you talk to small business people, Greg, and I know
you're one of them. The regulations that you have to

(01:12:37):
go through anymore, and dealing with this old administration has
got to stop.

Speaker 3 (01:12:41):
It is.

Speaker 1 (01:12:41):
And then you take a state like Utah, just our
federal lands and our counties that aren't on the Wahsatch front.
Just just the hostility that the federal government and the
Bureau of Land Management takes against these rural counties and
their ability to just you know, infrastructure and just operate.
It's just been crushing by this federal government. And it's
time for that to all end. Yeah, and uh and

(01:13:02):
so I think it's the time has arrived. I want
to see the two hundred if there's if there's more
than four hundred agencies and departments, federal agencies and departments,
and Elon Musk is saying, we have more agencies and departments,
and we have years in existence as a country. We've
got to change that. Half show me the two hundred
you're going to keep and let's and let's let's dem
acrass cry. But let's see that kind of efficiency. I
can't wait.

Speaker 2 (01:13:23):
Well, this is another example. I mentioned this as teasing
the story. There was a CNN panel this past week,
and I think Gregg it perfectly exemplifies the left's craziness. Okay,
you know the journalist on that panel called this a
sleeper issue. They had a guest because name is Jay Michaelson.
I believe he yelled during this panel discussion at another

(01:13:47):
strategy just his name is, Sir Michael Singleton, for supposedly
being transphobic. Why he was explaining that boys who identify
as trans playing in female sports is not a popular idea.
Listen to this heated exchange.

Speaker 1 (01:14:02):
I think there are a lot of families out there
who don't believe boys should play girls sports.

Speaker 11 (01:14:08):
They're not boys.

Speaker 2 (01:14:09):
I'm not going to listen to transphobi.

Speaker 3 (01:14:11):
I am not going to.

Speaker 18 (01:14:13):
Tirl when you use slanged there not boys, They're not.
I'm not going to sit there listen a second, because look,
this is a really heated issue, right and share Michael.
I know you, I know that you understand that people

(01:14:34):
have different views on this. I think out of respect
for Jay, Like, let's try to talk about this in
a way that is respectful.

Speaker 1 (01:14:42):
Okay, So let me rephrase this since I'm being targeted here.

Speaker 18 (01:14:46):
I don't you know you are not, But I'm specifically
saying that I know that you are not intending.

Speaker 3 (01:14:53):
To be Transphoba.

Speaker 1 (01:14:54):
He should know that.

Speaker 12 (01:14:55):
But you want.

Speaker 2 (01:14:57):
But I want you to use I want to give you.

Speaker 1 (01:15:01):
Regular people interpret it.

Speaker 2 (01:15:03):
That's not just why that's not regular people.

Speaker 15 (01:15:06):
There's no consensus that these are actually boys.

Speaker 6 (01:15:08):
This whole thing about trans girls is a canard.

Speaker 7 (01:15:11):
It's we're talking about a tiny, tiny sliver of the population.

Speaker 1 (01:15:16):
Point hold on, just get to your point, my point
in terms of its effectiveness.

Speaker 3 (01:15:22):
Regular people with children look at these things and they say,
you know what, this is a bit too far.

Speaker 1 (01:15:27):
I do not agree with this. I don't like this.

Speaker 3 (01:15:29):
I think Democrats are going way too much to the
left on social issues.

Speaker 1 (01:15:33):
They're uncomfortable with it.

Speaker 2 (01:15:34):
They're uncomfortable with And this guy, this J. Michaelson, didn't understand.
Said you can't call them boys playing girls sports. They
have to be called trans girls.

Speaker 1 (01:15:44):
And he goes, it's such a micro minority, and it's
it's a canard. Of an argument until you get to
the Olympics and the guy breaks the poor girl's nose
in the first round and in a in an amateur
at boxing where broken noses don't occur in amateur boxing,
and and it's and it's not those numbers. So if
it was, if it was a larger percentage, but then
you're okay to handle this issue. It would then if

(01:16:06):
it impacted more people, then you're all right, there's here's
here's my This is the thing that just drives me crazy. Transphobia.
You know what a phobia is. It's an uncontrollable, irrational
and lasting fear of a certain object, situation, or activity.
This fear can be so overwhelming that a person may
go to great lengths to avoid the source of this fear.

(01:16:27):
I have no fear when I talk I have no phobia.
There's no phobia when you talk about this trans issue.
It is that I don't want my daughter, and I
would not have wanted my daughter when she was playing
competitive sports as a child, to go up against boys
flat out without fear and with not without being irrational
or you know, or uncontrollable.

Speaker 2 (01:16:48):
I don't want that.

Speaker 1 (01:16:49):
And I say that in the absence of any fear
or irrational irrational behavior. So there's no phobia here.

Speaker 2 (01:16:55):
No I and I don't think there is greg and
it goes back.

Speaker 3 (01:16:58):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:16:58):
My belief is that if this issue has not been
studied enough, I think what you have is a mental illness.
I think you have kids in an early age of
what twelve, thirteen, fourteen, that's a difficult time. I mean,
I think middle school in this state, what is it,
grade six, seven and eight or seven eight nine. They're
going through a tough time. They're trying to figure out
who they are. And if they can't figure out who

(01:17:19):
they are, and all of a sudden, these friends or
an associate comes along says, you know, have you thought
about maybe you're not a girl, maybe you're a boy,
And all of a sudden they have someone to identify
with it messes them up.

Speaker 1 (01:17:32):
Or casey, well, the bottom line is let's kids. Let
kids be kids. This was never a controversial topic. And
this is what I think the panelist was trying to say.
Parents aren't comfortable with it because it's not right, it's wrong.
Let these kids be kids. Once they become adults, whatever,
it's still going on in their minds that there are
self determining adults, Go do that. But when we're talking
about kids in these years, we're just talking a number

(01:17:54):
of years in a span of someone's lifetime. You let
these kids quit trying to take away their innocence, Quit
taking these kids lives from them and permanently making decisions
when they're when they're just not old enough and they're
not an adult to make those decisions themselves. That is
not a phobia. That is a legitimate concern. And look,
I've said it during this show. If they want to
they can't even get to the conversation or the or

(01:18:15):
the point because they're going out of their minds. Just
let them go. Let don't let them. Let them just
keep they're in a hole, let them keep digging it.
I mean, if that guy wants to keep telling America
and parents in this country that their kids should be
sexualized and castrated, let them do it.

Speaker 2 (01:18:30):
Yeah, all right, We've got a lot more to get
to coming up on the Roden greg Show and Utah's
Talk Radio one oh five nine k NRS rolling right along.

Speaker 1 (01:18:39):
Excited about this interview. Bethany Mendel is joining us. She's
her column is in the New York Post and I
just even just love the headliner of this. And I
don't know if you've got to pick this, Bethany, but
post election, the liberal moms are not okay and it's
hurting their kids. Joining us now, Bethany Mendel, thank you
for joining us on the Rodd and Greg Show.

Speaker 11 (01:18:58):
Thank you so much for having me.

Speaker 1 (01:19:00):
So my guess my question is I get Actually, I'd
like you just to describe what you do in the column.
What are these parents doing that is really being felt
by young kids, particularly in your column here eight ten
year olds, eight year olds, even three year olds.

Speaker 11 (01:19:17):
Yeah, so it's funny. This is one of the most
popular columns that I've ever written. You know, I kept
hearing from people after I wrote it. Oh my god,
Here's a screenshot that I saw in this mommy group.
This is someone's Facebook status, this is what someone posted
on Instagram. And the you know, bottom line background on

(01:19:38):
all of them is these moms have absolutely lost at
post Trump. There was one mother, actually two mothers, who
said on national television they talked about their preteen daughters
I'm talking ten, eleven, twelve, that they were scared about
being able to obtain an abortion. Wow. Why So the

(01:20:00):
the hypothesis that I have in the fear and the
piece is, you know, you're you're talking about how devastating
President Trump's reelection was for your child, But your child
is devastated because of your parenting choices, because you have
amped them up and scared them so much that you
have made them into these like anxious, nervous wrecks about

(01:20:24):
President Trump. But they don't remember the last time he
was president all of these fear and if they did,
maybe they would be better off. But all of these
fears are manifesting because you have sowed those seeds. So
it's it's just been really disturbing as a parent seeing
you know, every every Facebook group under the sun just

(01:20:45):
deluged by posts about people saying their kids are terrified
and upset and crying and everything, because you know why
they are, and it's because their parents have.

Speaker 2 (01:20:54):
Made them Methany, Did we create the same atmosphere of
fear with COVID because I always felt scared children during
COVID as well. Are we doing this yet again as
a result of what happened last Tuesday night?

Speaker 11 (01:21:06):
Yeah? Absolutely, It's all performative, you know, inflicting all of
this stuff on kids, with COVID, with climate change, with
gun control. Every time one of these left wing activist
topics come up, it's because parents have made their kids anxious.
My kids have no fear about guns in public places.

(01:21:27):
My kids have no fear about climate change because I'm
not putting it, I'm not instilling it in them. For
some reason, these parents have decided that their children's fear
is a weapon that they should they should be wielding
in their fight against you know, you name it, Trump,
climate change, guns, whatever, and all they're doing is victimizing

(01:21:48):
their own children.

Speaker 1 (01:21:49):
We had a young caller, a young voter right before
on election day, call into our show and tell us
why she was voting for Trump and why many young
people her age were going to do the same. And
she talked about COVID and about how their freedoms and
their high school years were taken from them. You point
out accurately that if you were really outraged as a parent,
it would be what happened to their children and their
educational experience or not getting an education. But it doesn't

(01:22:11):
seem to be this. You were in your column that
this isn't just narcissism from this parents, these parents, it
could even be deeper than that.

Speaker 11 (01:22:19):
Yeah, So I for the column, I spoke to one
therapist and then I heard from two others after I
had published that they had seen a lot of these
parents who were coming into not the kids who were
coming into the office, saying they were anxious. And again,
these are kids younger than teenage years, and they had
observed over the course of their treating the child that

(01:22:41):
the parent had some real mental health issues. That it
was not necessarily performative emotionality on the part of these parents,
and they were basically it was kind of like a
munch housing situation. They were instilling all of this fear
and anxiety into their child through their own mental health struggles,

(01:23:03):
which were very significant. You know, I'm just I'm so
disturbed because our job as parents is to raise kids
healthy and that includes their mental health. And for some reason,
these parents don't appreciate that their mental health, you know,
matters as much as their physical health. And these parents
should recognize that because they have struggles with mental health.

Speaker 4 (01:23:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:23:25):
Joining us on our news Miacer line right now is
Bethany Mandel. Bethany, you talk about the influence of parents.
Do you fear, maybe in a different sort of way,
that the same thing could be happening in their classrooms.
There may be some teachers who are instilling this fear
into them because of their concern about Donald Trump. Could
you see the same thing happening in the classroom one

(01:23:46):
hundred percent?

Speaker 11 (01:23:46):
We're seeing you know, I'm against having phones in schools.
I think it's bad for kids to have cell phones.
But but we're seeing lots of clandestinely filmed videos taken
by high schoo students of their teachers just losing their minds.
And I'm hearing it from parents of elementary school cage
kids who come home and say, my teacher said this,

(01:24:08):
My teacher said why, And they're confirming it with the
parents of other kids in the class. And you know,
we're teachers are talking about it from kindergarten all the
way through twelfth grade. You know, the dangers of Donald Trump,
how we're all going to be less safe, and you know,
proposing essay topics based on like what would you do
to fight the resistance in twenty twenty four. All of

(01:24:30):
those things have been happening over the course of the
last you know, ten fifteen years. I wrote literally an
entire book about it called School in Years. Yes, with
Carol Markowitz. But I mean, they are using our children
as foot soldiers, and in order to do that, they
have to indoctrinate them.

Speaker 1 (01:24:47):
So here's my question, my last question, and that is,
you know, we've seen this now play out when twenty
sixteen happened, in the election, happened in Donald Trump. There
were so many people that are told he's a racist,
and he's there were no words left in terms of
how bad of a human being he was. And then
people discovered over the course of time he wasn't all
that they were told he was, and they felt betrayed,

(01:25:08):
they felt lied to. That's why I believe you're seeing
so much inro You've seeing these inroads in the minority class,
Hispanics and blacks, and you're seeing it in urban areas.
You're seeing it with young voters, You're seeing it in
every demographic. Bethany, do we have that kind of hope
for these young ones of ours that they're going to
realize at some point what they were told and all
of this built up anxiety it's not as advertised, and

(01:25:29):
that they're going to be okay, do we have that
chance with this young generation?

Speaker 3 (01:25:34):
Do you think?

Speaker 11 (01:25:34):
I mean, I think I think we do. We're we're
going to see President Trump doing a lot of winning.

Speaker 17 (01:25:39):
We're already seeing.

Speaker 11 (01:25:40):
It thus far with all of his cabinet picks. I
just saw Marco Rubio might be on tap for Secretary
of State, on tap for the un like that. It's
going to be an amazing four years by the looks
of it. And you know, after COVID, I know so
many middle school and high school age kids and even
elementary school age kids who were so worked up with
fear about and then they got it, and then they

(01:26:01):
got it again, and then their mom got it, and
then their grandma got it, and everybody was fine for
the most part. It's you know, it's not a virus
that takes out the vast, vast majority of people. It's
a bad cold bordering on mild, you know, flu for
most people. And so I saw a lot of young
people be really red pilled about what they were put
through with COVID, And you referenced it earlier with that

(01:26:23):
young voter that called into your show. I think we're
going to see the same thing when President Trump's you know,
when this term goes well, they're going to think what
else am I being lied to about? Because I was
I used to be liberal, and I remember getting red
pilled on abortion and you know, it's not a clump
of cells, and on Israel, like, oh, they're not colonizer, violent,

(01:26:43):
you know, barbarians. When you get red pilled on one thing,
it makes you think, what else am I being lied
to about?

Speaker 2 (01:26:49):
Good point, Bethany, as always great to have me on
the show. Thank you very much for joining us tonight,
and enjoy the evening and the rest of the week.

Speaker 11 (01:26:55):
Thank you, Thank you so much.

Speaker 2 (01:26:58):
All Right on our newsmaker line, that's New York Post
columnists Bethany Mandel, and she makes a very very good point,
Greg that hopefully we can only hope that they'll get
through this and realize that Donald Trump is not Hitler,
he's not a Nazi. He is the president of the
United States. He won a fair election, and he's going

(01:27:18):
to try and do things that make America better. Yeah,
it's just when I read her column, it just breaks
my heart. These kids are being put through this, and
there's some really good quotes in there where people are saying,
you know, if your kids are upset, it's because you're
trying to you're radicalizing them, or you're traumatizing your kids
to feel good about your political choices. Yeah, and that

(01:27:39):
is it's wrong.

Speaker 1 (01:27:40):
And I just hope that these I think that the
life will catch up with These kids are going to watch,
You're going to observe, and I think they're going to
realize that they were maybe it's not It clearly wasn't
as bad as they were told it is. In fact,
it's the opposite.

Speaker 2 (01:27:52):
You know, my belief in parenting, Greg, all families go
through maybe economic challenges, maybe they've got political challenges right now,
mom and day and everything. Don't talk about it in
front of your kids. Yeah. Your kids hear things and
they take it into themselves and they become fearful. So
if you're you know, if you hate what has happened here,
you hate Donald Trump, don't say it in front of

(01:28:13):
your children. I just think it has a very detrimental
effect on me.

Speaker 1 (01:28:17):
I agree, I agree, all.

Speaker 2 (01:28:18):
Right, more coming up on the Roden greg Show in
Utah's Talk Radio one oh five nine k and RS.
If there's anything you missed tonight, you can catch it
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you can find it right there. You know, we haven't
talked about the story today.

Speaker 3 (01:28:35):
Greg.

Speaker 2 (01:28:35):
It's amazing the the the FEMA official accused of ordering
her subordinates to skip Florida homes with Trump campaign signs
in front. She's been fired, now do you believe that?

Speaker 1 (01:28:47):
Yeah, all she deserves to be. I'm glad they did
fire her. You you know, acts like this have just
gone you know, there's never been any kind of consequence. No,
I mean, I mean look at the the even the
Secret Service ahead. She she wasn't going to quit until
she went through that that bipartisan absolute grilling and and
you know, bludgeoning and that that she finally resigned, But

(01:29:09):
she wasn't She wasn't gonna take any accountability for any
of that. So, yeah, someone like that has no business
being in the in FEMA, if that's what one of
their directives.

Speaker 2 (01:29:18):
Yeah, her name is Martie Washington. She was sacked for
telling disaster relief workers in Lake Placid, Florida, not to
go to homes with yard signs supporting President e like Trump.
FEMAE administrator Dan Griswold said that on Saturday, and apparently
Greg she is about to beco. Griswold is about to

(01:29:38):
be called before a House committee to explain how that
even happened. And yeah, you know, it's the way it should.

Speaker 1 (01:29:44):
Be, right, And she's already climbing that she's a victim.
I mean that's always you know, that's always the original,
always claim and cry from the left is that they're victims.
Another another thing to watch out for the media is well,
I say media, the regime media, MSNBC. They're they're doubling
down on Elon Musk, Like if they want to keep going,
find that he actually, I think saved this country with

(01:30:05):
fearedom of speech with when he purchased X. But they're
calling him his Trump oligarchs. He's now a trump a
Trumpist oligarch. So Chris Hayes is using that term now,
oh yes, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:30:17):
There's always all kinds of stories about the election. A
week ago tomorrow, but voters in Washington State GREG have
approved a referendum known as Initiative twenty sixty six. It
would block state and local authorities from limiting access to
natural gas stoves and appliances. So they are protecting natural
gas appliances.

Speaker 1 (01:30:37):
And that's you know, that's one of the strategies that
the left took on this whole you know, climate the
climate change issue was never about our environment. It was
always about how to compel behavior and how to control
people's behavior. Really, that's what it was down to. And
you see even in a liberal state, they're pushing back
on that and going, no, we're going to have gas stoves.
You're not going to try and tell us we can't.

(01:30:59):
And I'm honestly that's again if you get if you
look at it, it's just how they can. If they
can get everything electric, they can control electricity far better,
Like look at the rolling brownouts and stuff. If they
can take mass populations and control you to the day
and what you do in that day, If they can
control your only source of power, which way they would
love to be electricity.

Speaker 2 (01:31:18):
Well, this story, I think it came to service last week.
But the NFL handing Nick Bosa and eleven thousand dollars
fine for a crashing an interview with a Maga hat
On before the election, can find eleven thousand dollars.

Speaker 3 (01:31:31):
Well, you know what he did.

Speaker 2 (01:31:32):
You have to say, I love this. Apparently there was
an interception or something or a sack. Right, Nick Bosa
defensive end for the San Francisco forty nine ers, pretty
good at what he does. He decided to do the
Trump shimmy dance.

Speaker 1 (01:31:45):
I know, is that beautiful?

Speaker 2 (01:31:47):
The video of this is pretty hilarious. Can they find
them for doing the Trump shimmy dance? I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:31:54):
Who knows, you know, Yeah, that would be really a
bit of a reach.

Speaker 2 (01:31:58):
Yeah, it would be. But don't you kind of love it?

Speaker 17 (01:32:01):
No?

Speaker 3 (01:32:02):
I do love it.

Speaker 1 (01:32:02):
I hope I see more shimmy dances. If we did
a podcast, I'd be doing that shimmy dance right now.
I'd be doing I'm so happy to this good for me.
Marco Rudio is Secretary of State.

Speaker 2 (01:32:11):
That's what the word is.

Speaker 1 (01:32:12):
If that happens, all of them, all of us pick
so far, I'm just smiling ear to ear.

Speaker 2 (01:32:16):
Yep. We'll follow that of course tomorrow. A lot coming
up tomorrow as well. Thanks for joining us since afternoon,
Head up, shoulders back, make God bless you and your
family in this great country of ours. Big thanks to
the vets today. We'll be back tomorrow at four. Hey,
this is Kyle Brandt,

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