The Rod and Greg Show: Brett Tolman on Expected Election-Related Lawsuits; How Utah Voters View Education Issues

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I was feeling so great and I'm just getting nervous.
You know, everything doesn't look bad. But my polling markets
that I just drone on about, they're just they're breaking
the wrong ways right now. For me, we're still ahead
sixty forty, but we were we were up higher than that.
You're closed sixty seven and yes, yesterday morning, I'm sixty
three percent. I'm livid. I'm livid. It's sixty three percent

(00:21):
of the smart money going Trump's way. I want I
can spot nothing that would have taken that down. Yeah,
So I'm just getting jittery. I'm getting I don't know
because Halloween or what. I'm just nervous.

Speaker 2 (00:33):
I'm going to talk I'm gonna make you more nervous
a little bit later on the show because we're going
to talk about what if Kamala wins. I mean, think
about that story already that you know, if you're a
rancher or if you raise chickens, irene, forget it. It's over.
It's done. We won't have any more beef in this country,
according to Kamala. So we'll get into that a little

(00:55):
bit later on in the show. But we have a
lot to talk about today. Mark Cuban will get into
what Mark Cuban said about women who hang around Donald Trump.
Julia Roberts has voiced a new political ad for Kamala.
She's a big Kamala fan. That is creating quite a
bit of controversy. Today, we'll talk with our good friend
Brent Tolman, former US Attorney for Utah. He's going to

(01:18):
weigh in on all these legal cases that are coming
fast and furious.

Speaker 1 (01:22):
Right. There's another one that just broke that happened in
Arizona today with a judge saying that the Secretary of
State of Arizona has to disclose the list of those
registered voters who have not indicated that they are legal citizens.
That is information that's been withheld people that should be
public information. They have till Monday to disclose that information.
That's just today. You have the decision in Pennsylvania by

(01:44):
the judge yesterday that the early voting that they stopped
early too early. Now the judge extended for three days
because they did that. And so this stuff is already
going on. It's already happening at the Action's Live. And
we're going to speak with a former US attorney from
you appointed to Utah. Brett Toleman, he's gonna sort all
this out for us, all right.

Speaker 2 (02:04):
A little bit later on, we'll talk about a new
education survey. How do Republicans and Democrats see the state
of education here in the state of Utah. We'll get
into that. And Jay Rahd left our good friend. He's
an aviation expert with iHeart. There are some new rule
changes when it comes to traveling. I think most people
will like nice. I think we'll we'll find out with

(02:25):
Jay coming up. So we've got a lot to get
to today. As we say, each and every day, we
give you a chance to be a part of this program.
We we just love it when you join us, because
Greg likes to say, we have the smartest audience out
there in the land, in all the land. And the
number to call eight eight eight five seven eight zero
one zero, triple eight five sevenage zero one zero, or
on your cell phone just dile pound two fifty and say, hey, Rod,

(02:48):
all right, shall we talk about Mark Cuban. Let's yeah?
Shall we shall we get in now?

Speaker 1 (02:54):
Yeah, I'm going to I might just if I said, folks,
if you hear me, say Rachel Maddow out of Mark Cuban.
Just know that it's the joke that Elon Musk likes.
He didn't make create this joke, but he likes to
call uh uh Mark Cuban Rachel Maddow because we've seen
him in the glasses. We've never seen these two in
the same frame together. I think it looks like Matt

(03:17):
Rachel mattout to me. I'm just gonna go with Rachel Maddow.

Speaker 2 (03:19):
Well Mark Cuban longtime owner of the Dallas Mavericks. He
doesn't know him anymore. I guess he sold them. Very
successful business man, has really been out there stumping for
one Kamala Harris to be the next president of the
United States. So he shows up on the View today
and he basically told the View that that you never

(03:40):
see a strong woman around Donald Trump. Yeah. Yeah, this
is exactly what he had to say.

Speaker 3 (03:50):
Donald Trump, you never see him around strong intelligent women ever.
It's just that simple. They're intimidating to him. He doesn't
like to be challenged by them. And you know, Nikki
Hally will call him on his nonsense with reproductive rights
and how he sees and treats and talks about women.
I mean, he just can't have her around.

Speaker 2 (04:11):
It wouldn't work. Wow, he cannot surround himself with strong women,
intelligent women. Donald Trump just can't get away with it.
I can't do it.

Speaker 1 (04:19):
When I was the Speaker of the House here in
Utah and I went back to the Trump White House,
I met cabinet members who were women, strong women. I
met the advisors like Kelly and Conway talking about opioid
addictions back then, and seemed very strong and intelligent to me.
I'd like to know of all the of all the
strong I think he actually respects strong women, intelligent women,

(04:41):
and I think there's a good number of them that
would take a serious issue with that. Again, they're just
engaging in the politics of subtraction.

Speaker 2 (04:49):
Aren't they.

Speaker 1 (04:50):
Everybody's stupid, everybody's ignorant, everyone everyone's weak. That's not with them.
It's just just shit, that's the rule.

Speaker 2 (04:56):
Well, we're deplorable, we're garbage. Apparently we don't like to
be close to strong, intelligent women. I bet your wife
would like to respond to this Queen.

Speaker 1 (05:05):
Bee on there. She'll give them the what's what I'm
telling you? Mark Cuban will have a chance. Rachel Maddow,
Mark Cuban, take your pick, wouldn't have a chance against
Queen Bee.

Speaker 2 (05:14):
I am not about to tell my wife tonight that
she is weak enough, very smart.

Speaker 1 (05:18):
Yeah, they aren't a chance.

Speaker 2 (05:20):
I'm going to do that.

Speaker 1 (05:21):
I would do it. I would tell her if if
I could get her in front of Mark Cuban, then
I'd like to watch the fireworks fly.

Speaker 2 (05:30):
Well, the Trump campaign, of course responding, responding, I should
say the National Press Secretary Caroline Levitt basically called on
Harris to condemn Cuban's disrespectful insult to women. You know
she's not going to do. Has she condemned Joe Biden
for calling me us garbage she disagreed with But I
don't know if she came out and condemned him.

Speaker 1 (05:50):
Of course not. Oh by the way, Queen Bee has
actually heard this now and she's tag teamed with Tulsi Gabbard.
She's sending Tulci Gabbard in to find Mark Cuban and
take him out. Now, she's she's she knows who's who's
going to take care of that guy for her, and
it's going to be Tulci Gabbard.

Speaker 2 (06:06):
Well, apparently the sexism within the Kamala Harris campaign is continuing.
Julia Roberts is out with a new ad voicing a
new ad that is really creating a stir. Basically, what
the ad does, and let me let me explain this
to you. It basically features two women going to vote
right greg and both with their husbands. Okay, This woman

(06:29):
reluctantly and nervously goes to vote, and when she locks
eyes with another woman over the barrier, there is a
moment of connection. Okay. And while they both arrived with
and will leave with their apparently Trump loving husbands. The
name they select on the ballot when no one can
see them or no one can force them his vice

(06:50):
president Kamala Harris. And the line that they use in
this in one place in America where women still have
a right to choose, listen to this act.

Speaker 4 (07:00):
You're card, honey, in the one place in America where
women still have a right to choose.

Speaker 1 (07:07):
You can vote any way you want and no one
will ever know. Could you make your right choice?

Speaker 5 (07:18):
Share it in, honey.

Speaker 4 (07:19):
Remember what happens in the booth stays in the booth.
Bothe Harris, well vote coming Good is responsible for the
contents with.

Speaker 2 (07:27):
This ad, So apparently Julia Roberts is telling American women
go ahead and lie to your husbands.

Speaker 1 (07:32):
Do you understand that the premise of that commercial is
that women that are going to vote, that they that
the Harris campaign is assuming that men are not voting
for her, for Kamalain, and that these women have to
break ranks from their husbands and not tell them in
order for Kamala Harris to earn a vote amongst the
women in this country. That's what that that's what that
commercial is depicting. If you wouldn't do a commercial for

(07:55):
just a few people, so they must think on the
whole men are not voting for her, and if they're
going to get a vote, it's going to be from
spouses that they try to convince it's going to be
okay to break ranks. And I don't think women think
that way, and I don't think related marriages are going
to work that way. It's bizarre commercial.

Speaker 2 (08:16):
Well, and the other thing, the not so subtle words
in this ad where women still have a right to choose. Yeah,
there we go again. Now this is an obvious dig
at the abortion ruling by the US Supreme Court. They
never mentioned that in recent years American women have one
freedom left a secret vote for Harris, of course, and

(08:37):
also the number of abortions performed in this country is
higher than it ever has been since that decision was made. Exadly,
very sadly. But where they go to where they have
a right to choose? There are so many states out
there that have almost no restrictions on abortion.

Speaker 1 (08:54):
And I think the Supreme Court has made a decision
or one of their rulings allows for the morning after
pill nationally. So I think you've got that regardless of
where you live. But there was a you saw that
town hall that there was that I think it was
Chris Cuomo had where one of the women that supports
Trump said, where did this right to choose go when
COVID hit?

Speaker 2 (09:13):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (09:13):
Okay, where did I? Where did my Where did my
rights to choose what happens to my body? When did that?
What happened during COVID? Because point I didn't think about that.
That's a great point, isn't it. I'm telling you that
this is this is a very convenient, uh narrative and
it only is selectively applied, and that's so consistent with
the Democrat brand. But you know your your health and

(09:34):
your your freedom to do with your body what you want.
It only applies for the candidates and the causes they
care about. If it's on the other side of it,
they're going to tell you exactly what to do, when
to do it, and how.

Speaker 6 (09:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (09:45):
Sure, are all right? Coming up here on the Rod
and Gregg Show. Great to be with you. Happy Halloween
again to all our great listeners out there. When we
come back, let the law fair about this election begin.
We'll talk about it coming up next right here on
the Rod and Gregg Show in Utah's Talk right one
five nine k n RT. I saw a graphic today,
was just up on Fox News a short time ago. Greg,

(10:08):
this amazes me. In thirty eight states, thirty eight states
already there are lawsuits either taking place or pending when
it comes to election election related issues. So I mean
the courts are going to get real busy over the
next couple of weeks.

Speaker 1 (10:25):
Greig, It's true and we're seeing some of these issues
play out in real time. And here to join us
on the program is Utah's former US attorney Brett Tolman,
also executive director of Right on Crime. Brett, welcome to
the program. Thanks for having me so I see you
on Fox News. I see you are a thought leader,

(10:45):
opinion leader on all things legal. I saw an ex
post tweet. I don't know what we call it nowadays,
but challenging this Democrat attorney Mark Elias, who is peppering
this country and states with lawsuits to loose an election laws.
Successfully did so in Nevada with accepting ballots without postmarks

(11:06):
frankly after the election. But he's laying an interesting groundwork
where if you hear anyone from Trump's side complain about
the election, that is him trying to undermine democracy or
the election, while he at the same time is trying
to use the courts to loosen the laws. I think
my worry, Brett, is that we're going to see a
lot of litigation coming from both sides in the coming weeks.

(11:31):
What do you make of that And do you think
that that assessment's accurate? Do you think we're going to
see it. We've seen the judges kind of weigh in
already on some issues in Pennsylvania and Virginia, and I
think most recently in Arizona. How do you see our
legal system and cases that might get in front of
the Supreme Court in the coming weeks.

Speaker 7 (11:50):
Well, right now, you know, Rod and Greg, let me
tell you the most important lawsuits are the ones that
happened prior to the election. They are the ones that
are you have a chance at a decision that could
straighten something out prior to the election. You notice the
success rate of challenges post election incredibly low. You have

(12:13):
judges that at that point are unwilling to step in
and do extraordinary things when there's been extraordinary problems with
many of the elections. We're now seeing an acknowledgment of
vast voter manipulation and fraud and interference in multiple states

(12:35):
where challenges were brought. But it's years later that they've
acknowledged that there were issues and problems, and the courts
didn't seem to have the courage to step up and
do something that needed to be done immediately after the election.

Speaker 1 (12:47):
So I think these lawsuits right now that.

Speaker 7 (12:49):
Are going on, you're seeing far more effort to make
sure that the election is fair and that the law
is followed than there ever was in twenty twenty.

Speaker 2 (13:00):
Did they make a mistake by not trying to address
some of these issues four years ago? And have they
have the courts basically set themselves up for more lawsuits.

Speaker 7 (13:09):
Yeah, I would say the mistake that was made was
this this immediate rush to to you know, invalidate anybody
that claimed that there was election fraud. We now know
there has been serious fraudt when I'm to US attorney,
we investigated legitimate fraud allegations and there were prosecutions across

(13:35):
the country, but they were all somewhat minor and isolated.
We saw some systemic efforts in the last election. I
hope we've done enough. There have been, you know, teams
of people that are trying to ensure.

Speaker 5 (13:48):
That that the election is fair.

Speaker 7 (13:50):
But there's little things you see, like in California right now,
they have moved Donald Trump and Jadie Vance to the
second page. So when you go to vote vote for
President of the United States, you get Harrison Waltz first
and then you get Trump advanced, but you have to
push a button to go to the next page.

Speaker 8 (14:09):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (14:09):
So there's little things like that that.

Speaker 7 (14:13):
You know, challenges can attempt to remedy. But this is
how this is the effort on the left. They're willing
to circumvent the law, They're willing to manipulate the election
in order to try to maintain power, and they truly
do have to manipulate it because you can see the
numbers and Trump advance.

Speaker 2 (14:33):
Have a vast, vast lead.

Speaker 7 (14:36):
In polling that in twenty twenty Biden had a consider
a lead.

Speaker 1 (14:41):
In so Brownman lay out of scenario that's just played out,
and I think Elon Musk's ex played a role in
this in terms of bringing a light and transparency to
a problem in Pennsylvania. Bucks County is one of the
largest counties. It's a suburb outside of Philadelphia. It's a
swing district. Hillary Clinton and Biden won it by one
percent I think, or two percent between the two over

(15:02):
the last two elections, but it's it's a critical county
to win Pennsylvania. They have an early voting process, and
they began to close down what was supposed to be
open until five pm. They at two forty I believe,
they started closing down that line, and the RNC, which
is more organized with the Trump campaign now than they
were in the past, immediately went to the to the

(15:23):
courts in Pennsylvania to say no, no, this is supposed
to be till five pm. They're closing it down early.
The judge not only made a judgment that that that
they be given they were asking for one more day.
The judge said, you're going to get till Friday, end
of business for people to vote early now. And that's
what I think you're talking about in terms of adjudicating
these things early before there's an outcome and seeing success

(15:47):
doing it. But here's my worry. So you have that
situation you had, You had them try to shut down
that line at two forty for a five PM or
you know, deadline, which was challenged the use in the
Hill today there was an art that says Trump is
sowing doubt about election results in Pennsylvania less than a
week before the election, with explosive and misleading claims about fraud.

(16:07):
It is certainly reasonable to say that closing that line
at two forty was not on the up and up,
so much so that a judge said, we're going to
give you three more days to do it. So my
fear is what they're going to try and do is
when you spot anomalies, they're going to use this familiar
narrative that this is Trump not accepting results, that this

(16:28):
is him trying to cheat. Does any of that worry
you or do you think that that we're we've got
so much of this, we're going to ignore these baseless
allegations about Trump not accepting results.

Speaker 7 (16:40):
Well, it is it is consistent with their narrative, right,
they want to portray Trump. You see the commercials that
are being you know, we're being inundated by these Harris
commercials about how Donald Trump will will take power and.

Speaker 2 (16:52):
Will wield it.

Speaker 7 (16:52):
And yet we know that didn't happen. He didn't wield it,
you know, lawfully or unethically when he had power. And
yet here here we have them accusing him of the
same thing. It's the narrative that they believe speaks to
their base. The problem they have is we have long memories.
We know when every single candidate on the left, when

(17:16):
they lose and they grasp about it, and then what happens.
They allege that there was fraud, They allege that it's illegitimate.
They did the same things they're accusing others of. And
it's it's rampant, and we see it. The problem really
lies in the fact that the media has given them
a pass, and to some event the courts have given

(17:36):
them a path. But I blame a little bit. I
blame the Republicans for not being as organized previously, and
I blame them for not having you know, the right
cases going forward and the right strategy that's different this time.
So it is going to be the media that gives
them a pass. But let's hope the courts don't. Let's
hope that you know, we know, let's hope that we

(17:58):
don't have all of this and we're not mired into
litigation for weeks and months over who you know, won
the election, but instead that it's decided resoundedly, you know,
next week.

Speaker 1 (18:10):
And that's my hope.

Speaker 7 (18:11):
I'm hearing from folks that they they believe we will
know who who the president is on November fifth.

Speaker 2 (18:18):
That would be nice. You want to make any predictions,
Brett before we let you go. I think Trump is
going to win.

Speaker 7 (18:24):
I think that he Yeah, I think he has he
has overcome, you know, the the media bias, and I
think there are certain events and you can't deny what
he and RFK Junior and Tulci Gabbard and Elon Musk
and all of them have been. I mean, the swings
that's happening in our you know, minority communities and in

(18:46):
pockets of the country that were never supportive of Republicans.
It's a definite different landscape this time around.

Speaker 2 (18:54):
All right, great, Jenny with your bread. We'll talk to
you down the road. All right, thank you. As Brett Dolman,
former Attorney Atorney the US Attorney for the State of Utah,
now executive director of right.

Speaker 1 (19:09):
On, I sure like him a lot. He's look, he's
he has developed strong relationships within the Trump administration back
when on the first term. I expect that to continue
and the guys on the side of angels. So it's
fun to have him on the show. Good to hear
from him.

Speaker 2 (19:21):
He is a good guy. All right. Moore coming up,
we'll talk with Steve Moore economist Steve Moore, economist extraordinaire,
as he likes to describe himself. Coming up back here
on the Rodd and Greg Show in Utah's Talk Radio
one oh five nine can arrest. Let's talk about the economy.
It still is Greg number one or number two, depending
on who you talk to when it comes to the
election and what they're going to decide to do when

(19:43):
they're new numbers out that shows the rate of inflation
has condemned come down a little bit from the pandemic highs.
But there are people who are still living paycheck to paycheck,
and that's a that's a tough thing.

Speaker 1 (19:55):
To do, it is and just this is my my
rant about inflation before we get to Steve. I know
he's waiting when someone says inflation's down just because you
gained two or three pounds instead of five this year.
You didn't lose weight. You didn't lose weight. Okay, when
we say inflation is down, it's only the rate that
it keeps increasing. It doesn't go down down. It's that

(20:15):
you got fatter, slower, That's all it means.

Speaker 2 (20:19):
Well, Steve Moore, economist extraordinaire formerly with the Trump administration,
could be part of that administration if Trump is back
in the White House, joining us on our Newsmaker line. Steve. Great,
great to have you back on the show. Okay, inflation
is cooling yet more Americans, we've been saying, Steve, still
living paycheck to paycheck. What is going on out there, Steve.

Speaker 5 (20:40):
Yeah, the lingering effects of this Biden inflation are still
just creaming the American families and flattening their finances. So
people are still a lot of Americans almost half are
still underwater in terms of where their living standards were
four years ago versus today because of this the lingering
of fact of this inflation. So I think if people

(21:03):
are thinking about, you know, when they vote, vote who
they want to vote for. On the economy, it's pretty
clear things were much better. We had big gains like
six thousand dollars per family gains in purchasing power when
Trump was president, and under Biden has basically been flat.

Speaker 1 (21:21):
Steve, here's my economic question for you, as the economic guru.
Someone said I've read a heart and I didn't read
deep into the article, but they said that that Wall
Street and the in the stock market are pricing in
a Kamala Harris win, that they're hedging that way. Any
sense to that, any any is there any reality to
that other than most think.

Speaker 5 (21:41):
Well, no, I don't agree with that. I mean, by
the way, you know, the betting markets have Trump. The
last time I checked the day or two ago, you know,
Trump was at sixty percent chance of winning. So why
would the markets, you know, price in a Kamala Harris win.
Now they made price in the the possibility that she

(22:01):
might win, which would be in my opinion, a catastrophe
for the stock market. I mean, I had a piece
of lawst you, it's Wall Street Journal a week or
two ago, showing that the you know, if you double
the capital gains tax, increase the dividend tax, increase the
corporate tax, you're going to substantially reduce the value of
stocks because every time the government takes more of your

(22:23):
of your of a company's earnings, that's less earnings that
the shareholders get. So it's just simple math that Kamala
Harris would be. It's a question whether she'd be devastated
and or just bad for the stock market, but clearly
not good.

Speaker 2 (22:37):
Stephen. We're in the final days, of course of the election.
In your opinion, is Donald Trump talking about the economy
and saying things about the economy that people need, the
American people and American voters need to understand. Is he
delivering the right message on the economy right now? Do
you think?

Speaker 5 (22:53):
Steve, Yeah, he sure is. And by the way, guys,
I was at Madison Square Garden on Sunday with Trump
and it was just one of the most amazing experiences
in my life. I mean, my god, you had just
the motorcate from Trump Power to Madison Square Garden, which
is about a mile down Fifth Avenue. Was incredible. I mean,

(23:16):
would have fought in America had won World War Two.
I mean people were lined up on the streets just
to see the motorcate. And then Trump gets inside Madison
Square Garden. His speech was excellent. He's been talking about
the reducing taxes, about promoting more American energy. He was
talking about how I love this idea of the Government
Reform Commission, and who better than Elon Musk to run that,

(23:39):
So it would be a total restructuring of government, which
is something we haven't done in at least forty years.
And incidentally, we just had the new definite numbers that
came in and it looks like we borrowed in twenty
twenty four. You guys sitting down one point eight trillion
dollars in one year, one year. I mean, that's bigger

(23:59):
than the hire Utah budget for twenty years.

Speaker 1 (24:02):
That's right, that's right. So let me ask you this.
I don't know, maybe I'm out of order. Here is
your turn, Sorry, Roger, I'm just taking over to interview. Sorry,
I need some economies of campaigning. I need you to
tell me the inside scoop on what's going on in
these swing states. This has nothing to do with you
as an economist. This has anything to do with you
being on the inside. You you know what's going on.

(24:25):
Give me, give us me and some our listeners some
insight and some good news insight.

Speaker 5 (24:31):
Well, I can slip you what I know, but I
have to kill you. I'm just kidding. Look, I think
it's no secret, and this has been pretty publicly disclosed
that if you look at states like Arizona, Georgia and
other states that have, you know, these battleground states that
have you don't have early balloting. What the data shows

(24:51):
pretty clearly is that the that the early people are
early voting, much higher percentage of people are uh Republican. Uh,
you know we have a Republican orientation and and then
the Democrats. So that's a good early time. But look,
this thing is still like, hey, I feel pretty good

(25:13):
about things that Trump has ultimate amount. But you know
that's amazing. Think about this, For the last six elections,
four of them, four of them have been decided less
than a couple hundred thousand votes. A billion. Yeah, so
you know these things. Our country is so divided, right,
down the middle right now between left and right, and

(25:35):
the stakes are huge here and even in a state
like Utah, which probably by the way, I think Trump
might slip diet. In a state like that, you know,
you could see big gains for Republicans about because Trump
does drive out, you know, turnout like no other candidate
I've ever seen. So uh, it's going to be exciting

(25:56):
to watch.

Speaker 6 (25:56):
I expect.

Speaker 5 (25:58):
Look, I'll put here's what I'll predict the guys. I
think there's a one third chance Trump wins narrowly, a
one third chance you've got a red wave election where
you've got you know, a lot of Republicans elected, and
a one third chance that Kamala Harris would will win.
So those are that's the way I handicap the race
right now. And so look, I think you know the

(26:19):
reason I wrote my book without their laugher called the
Trump Economic Miracle, so people could really see and remember
how good the economy was when Trump was president and
how sluggish it's been after four years of Biden and Harris.

Speaker 2 (26:33):
Steve, thanks for joining us and the I'm basically with
Steve on this. I have people come up to me say,
do you any idea what you think is going to
happen in the race. I say she wins it in
close one, he wins it in close one, or he
wins in a pretty by a pretty big margin. Those
are the I cannot see her greg winning big.

Speaker 1 (26:53):
Now, there's no scenario or shall win big. And the
only way I think Trump wins, and this is a
little cynical, is to win big because if it's close,
I really do worry about the shenanigans and how that plays.
That you can't there's no such thing as an election
that has zero percent uh, you know, purity and without
any kind of you know, stuff going on. So I

(27:13):
worry about that. But I want our listeners to know
that that Steve Moore, he is a big deal. He's
on Nash, you see him on Fox News all the time.
He's part of Trump's center circle. His phone sounded like
it went through a wood chipper, and he did not
let go. He kept with us. He stayed the whole time,
even though that phone was just going through I don't
know what. But he's loyal to this listener, to this

(27:33):
station and to use the listeners. So thank you, Steve
mar good friend.

Speaker 2 (27:37):
All right, Steve, thank you all right, more coming up
here on the Rod and Greg show. Loan interesting story
out there concerning xan Jose State.

Speaker 1 (27:44):
Oh, San Jose State. I'm reading the headline, ask Utah
State and Boise State for money over forfeited volleyball matches. Now,
in getting ready for this show, our good producer Eray
asked the question, what would those forfeited amounts actually be
for a woman's volleyball game? Well, hold on to your hats, folks,

(28:04):
we're talking. First off, their their their premise for demanding
this is these were games that would have been played
in San Jose State, and they said that that these institutions,
Boise State and Utah State, their arbitrary decision to not
play and otherwise eligible NCAA team resulted in harm to
San Jose State financially. The financial impact I hope you're

(28:25):
sitting down one, two and fifty dollars smackers. That's what
they want. They want that for the concessions and the
parking among other things. Well, it turns out that al Kick,
who broke the story, confirmed and from all parties that
not one red cent was parted by any institution of
higher learning, and San Jose State has gotten not even

(28:46):
a reply back for their invoices, and so yeah, that's
not getting paid and they're gonna they're just gonna they're
gonna leave it at that. And I think, you know,
the one two hundred and fifty dollars was even worth
the bandwidth for them to try and make the argument
to these two schools, give me a break.

Speaker 2 (29:04):
Yeah, and because they were home games, that's why they went.
They didn't ask money from Southern Utah, Wyoming or Nevada
other schools that forfeited the games, but they didn't have
home games with them, so they really didn't care.

Speaker 1 (29:16):
Yeah, they did good for the good for these.

Speaker 2 (29:19):
Women volleyball teams that have stood up and said we
are not going to play this game anymore.

Speaker 1 (29:23):
Well, yeah, and so they you know, we had the
event that the volleyball team had at Utah State this
last what was it Tuesday night? Tuesday night, and a
lot of good support there, A lot of lawmakers went
to that game to support the female athletes at Utah
State and their volleyball team. But for them to say,
you know, otherwise eligible NC double a team, well, guys

(29:44):
playing against girls, it's it's they might say that's eligible,
but it's certainly within these schools rights to protect their
female athletes from from this. I mean, I don't know, man,
I'm looking at the photo and I'm going, yeah, that's
a that's.

Speaker 2 (29:56):
A that's a dude.

Speaker 1 (29:57):
That's a guy.

Speaker 2 (29:58):
That's a dude.

Speaker 1 (29:59):
He's gonna spike at all. That's going to be As
a dad, I would not be okay with this.

Speaker 2 (30:02):
Yeah, And this is going to be an issue. And
if Kamaa gets elected, she's gonna let everyone run wild
and run free because she won't put any restrictions on this. Greg.
Now they're gonna happen.

Speaker 1 (30:12):
You'll never you won't recognize that the protections of women
in college sports that have been around for a long time.
You won't even see that they will cease to exist
because you won't know.

Speaker 6 (30:22):
You won't.

Speaker 1 (30:23):
There will be no definition for a woman.

Speaker 2 (30:25):
Maybe that's what they want.

Speaker 1 (30:27):
Maybe I don't know how women aren't more up in races.
There are women that are. But for this whole campaign
to be about women's rights and everything, and for the
left to actually argue that men playing girl sports is
a woman's rights issue, give me a break.

Speaker 2 (30:40):
Where is now on this? Yeah? I heard from on
the left all right, what what happens if Kamala pulls
it off?

Speaker 1 (30:50):
Happy Halloween?

Speaker 6 (30:50):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (30:51):
There you go.

Speaker 1 (30:52):
So if you had to wear a costume right now,
what would you wear for Halloween? Would you dress up as?

Speaker 2 (30:57):
That'd be a good one. I don't know, would you?

Speaker 5 (31:01):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (31:01):
I know that's why I asked.

Speaker 2 (31:03):
Sorry, you've been thinking about that?

Speaker 1 (31:05):
Yea, Tony Stark, not iron Man. I want to just
be to That's it.

Speaker 6 (31:10):
That's it.

Speaker 1 (31:10):
Not much for a costume, I know, but I just
love I just love to star shirt and tie. You
have to get the kind of go tee thing too, well, you.

Speaker 2 (31:17):
Kind of have that now.

Speaker 1 (31:18):
I just have this, you know.

Speaker 2 (31:19):
I notice you're gett a little more gray in that thing.

Speaker 1 (31:21):
Thank you, thanks for noticing. I just want to point
Tony didn't Tony Stark didn't have any grain here.

Speaker 2 (31:26):
So you'd have to die at ye.

Speaker 1 (31:27):
But that's you know.

Speaker 2 (31:28):
I haven't thought what i'd be a as a costume
this year?

Speaker 1 (31:32):
That are Superman? I mean? But then again, I wouldn't
have to put on a costume, so why would I
You know, that's another boring one.

Speaker 9 (31:38):
Right?

Speaker 2 (31:38):
Are you believing this?

Speaker 6 (31:39):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (31:39):
Ay?

Speaker 2 (31:39):
Ready doesn't believe this at all? Not in the least,
but neither do I All right, Uh, you have been
in here today nervous as a darn cat. Yeah, let
me set this up for people are driving home tonight.
We you know the show. We had a great show yesterday.
The garbage man thing was just a lot of fun.
We had a lot of fun with this show. And

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we both left the show thinking, you know, Donald Trump
is on a roll. Things are looking pretty good for
the former president. It become number forty seven. Yes, well,
we come in today and here you come in like
a hurricane and you're just all Gi'm.

Speaker 1 (32:14):
A ball of nerves, a ball of all the joy
is gone. All the joy's gone.

Speaker 10 (32:18):
I was.

Speaker 1 (32:18):
I was just such a good all the momentum. He's
ruling the news cycle. There's nothing they can talk about
but him and Biden calling all of the supporters garbage,
and it's just such a funny thing, and it's the
human side of him is coming out. Everyone's excited the
and my betty, markets are having him up at sixty
seven percent. I'm waiting for seventy to hit. And then

(32:39):
there's today and I don't know why, but it's down.
It's down in the low sixties.

Speaker 2 (32:43):
Yeah, but it's still sixty forty.

Speaker 1 (32:45):
Yeah, sixty. It's like sixty one when I got in here.
I think it's gone up to sixty three now. But
what's going on. I can't find the news site everything
that's moved on this. Since I've been watching every day,
multiple times a day, I can track it with the
news cycle. When Kelly said that you know that Trump
wished he had you know, used him, Yeah, having he
wished he had generals like Hitler, I could see the

(33:07):
skittish market kind of move with some of that bad news,
and then Kamala Harris would do the town hall with
Anderson Cooper and then his odds went straight up.

Speaker 6 (33:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (33:16):
So I could see the movement and I could track
it with how the news was breaking and the news cycles. This,
this has moved a lot over the last twenty four hours,
and I can't point to why, and that just makes
me pensive.

Speaker 2 (33:28):
Well, here's another thing to scare the daylights out of you.
I don't need anyone. What if Harris gets away with it?
What if she wins this thing?

Speaker 1 (33:36):
Yeah, I I allowed myself to get so. I've enjoyed
this so much. I was trying to guard against over
you know, being too optimistic. But I now realize I've
gotten too optimistic. I am. If she does, I'm just
I don't know how to describe it. I will be inconsolable.
I don't know for how long either. I will be
so ticked. I will just livid. I will be livid

(33:59):
if she If she wins. Yeah, and I yeah, I
don't even want to see. I can't even go down
that road. I just can't.

Speaker 2 (34:06):
Well, I'm about to take you there because I'm going
to share with you a few thoughts on this. You're
ready for this, I guess all right. That's written by
Brian Kennedy in The Blaze. Okay, let me share a
few of his thoughts. Then we'll talk about it. Having
vilified Donald Trump more than any man in American history,
the American Communist and their allies in the Democratic Party

(34:26):
of which Kamala Harris is won may well be able
to steal the twenty twenty four election. One thing needs
to be made clear. If this happens, they will have
created an ungovernable country.

Speaker 1 (34:40):
I agree?

Speaker 2 (34:40):
Do you agree with that?

Speaker 1 (34:41):
Well, here's what I have to see. To accept that
Kamala Harris win. I have to see something from that
campaign by way of momentum, something that shows that they
have the ability to win. And these close polls, when
you're canceling your media buys in North Carolina and you
still see poles that that's that's a coin toss. Something's

(35:02):
wrong with that, something's not tracking correctly. So what are
we going to see if you're pulling media buys in
winning states, pulling your meet one point seven million in
TV ads. I'm not going to be able. That's going
to be hard for me to digest. He goes on
to say, Oh, great, there's more. There's more. She is not,
in short, running a credible campaign. No, I would agree

(35:25):
with that. Even within left wing popular culture, she comes
off as little more than a joke. And I think
it's pot on there. Here's a good question, Greg, does
anyone believe that if Joe Biden had dropped out of
the rates last year and there had been a competitive
primary season, Kamala Harris would today be the nominee of

(35:46):
the Democratic Party. Not a chance, not a chance for
anything that actually helps Trump that they did it this way,
because I mean, yeah, you couldn't pick a worse cad.

Speaker 2 (35:54):
So the question, the question he writes, is what if
Kamala wins must be answered in light of the fact
that she should that she should not win by any
conventional understanding of polls and public opinion. This position was
handed to her yep, ninety days ago. Here you be

(36:15):
vice president because we don't Joe doesn't want to be
vice president anymore. And it goes on to say, you
don't think about this. For a lot of people, Kamala
Harris is not their cup of tea. I mean, when
you have major newspapers around the country like the Washington Post,
LA Times USA today saying you know, we aren't going
to endorse anybody, that's a clear sign that that's right,

(36:37):
not their company. So what do they do in response
to that? They make them the enemy. That bezos who's
been there little you know, their golden boy. They are
just they want they're calling for DOJ investigations against him.
Now they're ready to throw him. So they have thrown
him to the wolves because of what he's decided to
do with Washington Post. Again, the politics of substract subtraction.
I don't understand how that's how that's a winning formula. Yeah. Well,

(37:00):
he goes on to say there's more, there's more, Let
me a little bit. You ready for this?

Speaker 6 (37:06):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (37:07):
Depending on regardless of who wins. Makes a good point here,
Americans must prepare themselves and their families for what could
be hate this term great societal dislocation.

Speaker 1 (37:20):
Well, it means that all the Democrats will be so
mad they're gonna move. Yeah, go ahead, Yeah, I'm okay
with that dislocation.

Speaker 2 (37:25):
And here's here's what I don't like, Greg. Americans in
large numbers will believe that they have had their country
stolen from them, and they may choose no longer to
participate in body politic and that I honestly believe, Greg,
that's what the Democrats want.

Speaker 1 (37:42):
Well, I'm having debates with friends that think that this
is all. The fix is already in, and I'm I'm
replying back they're gonna I'm gonna if it is, I'm
gonna make it as humanly as hard as humanly possible
for them to try and steal it. If that's what
the If the fix is in, I'm not gonna not
show up and give it to them. I'm not giving
it to anyone, and so I won't stop participating. But

(38:03):
I could see where a lot of people if they
see this, I mean, if they see this, they may
lose that confidence. And that's and that's the scary part
of this. But I'll say that Brett Tolman's comments, I
actually am going to cling to our former US attorney
from Utah and you know, contributed to Fox News and
everything else in close confidant with the Trump family. And anyway,

(38:25):
he said something I thought that was really important. If
you have some court cases that you want to win,
your high success shot is prior to the election, and
in those you may have irregularities. And we're seeing Republicans
coming out on top on some stuff that they would
not have filed and resolved prior to the election in
twenty that they're resolving now, which is good. He says

(38:47):
that after the election is held, he believes that without
regard to who is on the who's petitioning the courts,
they are much less likely to alter the results. Even
if someone argues that those results we're not valid. If
we do have a volume where it's just by way
of volume and votes, it's so hard to rig, and

(39:07):
it's so hard to dude the too big to rig
the theory. I don't want to see if Kamala Harrison
her team doesn't like the outcome, that they go to
the court and they try to they try to add
like they did in sixteen with Trump, we just don't
need any more of that. And that's what I hope
we don't see.

Speaker 2 (39:24):
Well, here's what I and that's what Brett. Yeah, And
here's here's what I don't like to see. Greg. We
have talked often about what is called the low propensity voter, right,
The low propensity voter, if you've never heard that phrase,
is these are people who really don't get involved in
politics but to begin with, and when they do vote,
they only vote unpresidential electioneers, you know, off your elections.

(39:46):
They don't care Donald Trump. In my opinion, Greg has
been able to organize or has been able to supercharge
that group of low propensity voters out there, and they
showed up in twenty sixteen to give them a win.
I think they were there in twenty twenty, but that
I honestly believe that election there were problems. I mean,
let's be honest, folks, right now, if he loses in

(40:08):
twenty twenty four and it's tight and they're you know,
people are talking about Shenanigans going on, that low propensity
voter may completely leave the body politic. I believe this
is what Democrats want to have happened in this country,
that Republicans, conservatives, you know, common sense, fair minded Americans
will become so disenchanted with the whole system that they

(40:32):
will never vote again. They will just go away and
live their lives.

Speaker 1 (40:36):
I think it's a very and I think that's a fear,
and it's a valid one. And I think that they
if they, if that were to happen, they should be
very careful because do not confuse us with sixteen or twenty.
In twenty sixteen and twenty twenty, the conventional wisdom was
that Hillary Clinton was going to win and Joe Biden
was going to win. And it was a surprise to
at least the media and the and the regime media

(40:57):
and everyone that a Trump wanted to say and be.
It really came down combined either forty to seventy thousand
votes over four states. You couldn't get closer. There was
never a poll that ever showed that race that close.
Twenty four is very different. This is one where if
he under polls, then all these polls you show where
he's leading in these swing states, he should win by

(41:17):
even a larger margin. If people are said that you
suffer from every moral failing if you vote for Trump,
and so they don't want to tell anyone where they're
how they're voting. If that means that more people are
going to come out than have expressed their support, then
he should definitely win. The mindset is completely different in
twenty four than the prior to elections. So play that game,
but I'm going to tell you that it's it will

(41:38):
have We don't know what those consequences would be, but
none of it's going to be healthy. None of it's
going to strengthen this country. None of it's going to
make America what it's always been.

Speaker 2 (41:47):
Great.

Speaker 1 (41:48):
Yeah, it will send this country in a very very
dangerous and bad direction.

Speaker 2 (41:52):
And that's my biggest fear. There are people who, for
some reason, I don't know what it is, their connection
with Donald Trump and maybe even Elon muskction with these guys,
they're going to go out and work for him. But
if they lose, if he loses, I fear that there
are going to be a lot of people in this
country who are going to say the hell with you,
I'm not getting involved in this anymore and I'm walking
away and that will allow the Democrats to take over.

(42:14):
And that's that's my biggest fear.

Speaker 11 (42:15):
Greg.

Speaker 2 (42:15):
Now we've got to get I want to get to
some calls on this because I want to ask you,
what if, in fact, Kamala Harris and her gang of
thugs out there get away with it, and what is
your biggest fear as to what may happen eight eight
eight five seven eight zero one zero triple eight five
seven oaight zero one zero, or on your cell phone
dial pound two fifty and say, hey, Rod, your calls
and comments coming up on the Rod and Gregg Show,

(42:38):
and what is your biggest fear? And I laid out
the case because I think if she wins in a
close election and there are people out there who feel
it was stolen, it was again taken away from them.
It wasn't fair that there people out there that are
going to say, I don't care anymore. I'm just going
to live my life. And I think that's what the

(42:59):
Democrats want. And you and I were talking during the break.
I think one of the biggest motivators for people to
do something is fear, right, Greg, I mean that that
will if you fear for something, if you fear for
your life, you're going to do something to protect yourself,
right Yep. I want people to fear what may happen
if she wins, in order to encourage you to get

(43:19):
out invooked. That's what I want to have happened.

Speaker 6 (43:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (43:23):
Well, I have a lot to say about this, but
I want to hear from our listeners. And this is
such an appropriate Halloween horror show.

Speaker 2 (43:30):
Talking about that was a total.

Speaker 1 (43:32):
Now, this is worse than any Friday the thirteenth Halloween
scary movie there ever is this whole topic and even
contemplating this, but I want to hear what our listeners
are thinking right now. So let's go to our listeners.
Let's go to Gordon and Lehi. Gordon, welcome to the
Rodd and Greg Show. What do you think of Rod's
horror show? He just explained to us.

Speaker 11 (43:56):
Well, I'll be honest with you, Greg, I'm scared.

Speaker 5 (44:00):
I'm just wondering.

Speaker 10 (44:02):
You know.

Speaker 11 (44:03):
I felt that the last election that Donald Trump was
doing well, we felt that he was going to win it.
And then next thing we knew was all the people
who were there at the polling booths to make sure
the count was getting done right, was getting taken away.
Then they were shutting. They put some of the polling
boosts for the public, and next thing boxes were coming

(44:25):
out with all these ballot papers. Who knows, you know,
with your regular Joe blog, you know, I had my
wage and you know, I'm scared that he's going to
be a case of I'm going to be back paycheck
to paycheck, which I felt. You know what's happening to

(44:46):
me just after they took over at the cost of
everything was getting up. Even a small loan that I had,
My payments were getting hyped up by almost thirty percent.

Speaker 2 (44:59):
Yeah, and Gordon, you're right. I mean he's seen changes.
It's affecting the pocketbook. I think it could even get worse, Greg,
if in fact.

Speaker 1 (45:08):
It will, it will. But here's what I'm going to
argue before we go to our next caller, if again,
it has to be what they we saw, the anomalies
or the you know, irregularities in twenty twenty. This is
this campaign season. We have a far greater momentum and
conventional wisdom that he's going to win. If everybody were
to say, well, the fixes in we're not going to vote.

(45:30):
You make their job easier. It needs they they have
to do something so blatant to win this, to take
it that we all see it. That makes it harder.
I want to make it is if they if they
have the gall and the and they're brash enough to try,
I'm going to make it as hard as humanly possible
because that will make a difference as well.

Speaker 2 (45:49):
Well, let's go to Anna and Salt Lake. Sadi, Anna,
how are you welcome to the Rod and Greg Show?

Speaker 12 (45:54):
Hi, gentlemen, I have a question for Greg. I haven't
heard anybody address this before, but the vice president is
in charge of the electoral college, and my fear is
I don't expect her to be fair is my first point.
But what I'm wondering is if they can't change it
so that if the vice president is running for president,
should they put the Speaker of the House in charge

(46:15):
of the electoral college.

Speaker 1 (46:17):
And it's a really good question, and I've actually looked
this up because she has to certify the electoral vote.
She does, so I've looked into this and so this
is where you may see a legal battle, but I
think we're at least the prevailing legal opinion is is
that this is a ceremonial certification by the vice president

(46:38):
who leads the Senate, and that if they refuse to
do it, they would still be with two hundred and
seventy votes electoral votes, they would still be president. But
that might have to get sorted out in court, but
I think we have a Supreme Court that would put
that to bed pretty quickly. But as I've researched that,
people argue that that is a ceremonial That's why they
say that whether Mike Pence certified that or not, it

(47:01):
was more ceremonial than practical. And and so that's that's
the that's the prevailing wisdom is it's a ceremonial certification
that if he actually tried to back out of it
might require a court challenge to the Supreme Court, but
that they would sort that they would declare him the winner.

Speaker 2 (47:16):
So ceremonial, because that's a fear that I've had with Anna.
I mean, if would you have to change a constitution,
would send to have to change it rules? No, it's
just a ceremonial issue.

Speaker 1 (47:25):
It's it's it's at least a gray area where the
courts would have to decide. Okay, let's go to Jamison
in Salt Lake. Jamison, thank you for calling the Rotting
Greg Show. What do you think of this, this Halloween
topic of ours?

Speaker 2 (47:38):
Fear scared?

Speaker 13 (47:39):
Well, honestly I would. I would say, yeah, I'm nervous
for it. I mean, for as long as I've been
around and the things I've seen in politics, it wouldn't
shock me in the least to see, you know, to
see them try and pull some hair, brain stuff.

Speaker 14 (47:57):
I mean, it is what it is.

Speaker 13 (47:59):
But you know, for anybody who can hear me right now,
the most level headed thing I could think to tell
any of your listeners or you do not let up,
Do not give up. You're talking about a woman who,
in at the beginning of her primary running under Joe Biden,
couldn't secure one supporting vote from her own party. She

(48:22):
was not popular, she had to drop out because of
lack of funding. And you are being told now by
the mainstream media that this person is neck and neck
with the man we've seen great success for four years.
It's a lie, it isn't the truth. You have to
remember they are flinging bullets at this man. If you
can't believe in your heart that this election is one

(48:45):
of the most I know, we say it all the time, Noah,
but it's true. They are shooting at him. Get out
in vote, if you've never voted before, do it. Let
these people win.

Speaker 2 (48:58):
No, you cannot.

Speaker 1 (48:58):
And look in the surreal, surreal campaign season we're in,
that's exactly what President Trump said, fight fight fight. We
you just there is no one that's gonna stop me
from getting to that pole. There's no one that should
stop anyone in this country, in this state. And by
the way, the state, I know that it's a Republican state.
Every single vote counts, even this popular vote, so they
don't make any issue. They can't change it. But they

(49:19):
can't say, well, look she won the popular vote. We
got to get rid of the electoral college. Everybody vote,
every vote's gonna count.

Speaker 2 (49:25):
Yeah. We didn't even think of this as a Halloween theme,
but as fitting right in what if Harris gets away
with it? Does it put fear into your heart?

Speaker 1 (49:33):
And if you ever known a scarier story, a horror
movie worse than what than this topic?

Speaker 5 (49:38):
Right now?

Speaker 2 (49:39):
All right, boy, coming up on the Rodding Greg Show
and more your phone calls on talk radio one. Oh
five nine knrs. What do you fear most? I mean,
what if, in fact she gets away with it?

Speaker 1 (49:48):
I mean, do you think it's possible. I think it's
gonna be. I think it's harder this time than ever before.
But let's hear from you. Let's go to Doug in Ogden. Doug,
thank you for holding and welcome to the Rodding Greg Show.

Speaker 9 (50:00):
Hi, how are you great?

Speaker 5 (50:02):
I think I'm well.

Speaker 15 (50:05):
There's a couple of things. I know that when I
first turned on it, you guys were asking a question
what would happen if Kabala and all that? And absolutely,
I think everyone realizes she's been a failure at everything
she does, but she's very good at trying to destroy America.
She's always one of them, and she will continue. But
what I really wanted to know I was in the

(50:27):
grocery store shopping when you guys were talking earlier today
between four and five, and I heard from my brothers
that I heard something on the Rowden Grave Show today
about Arizona and that they have decided that it's okay
to allow illegal to vote. Is this true?

Speaker 1 (50:46):
No, just the opposite, So there has been a lawsuit. Judge,
thanks you for the question. Doug. But a judge ruled
today there had been a citizens that had petitioned they
had been told by the Secretary of State in Arizona
that they were not able to see the votvoting records
of people who have to affirm that they are legal
citizens to be able to vote. That number, I think
is one hundred thousand registered list of one hundred thousand

(51:10):
registered voters. A judge today ruled that that list must
be made public. It can be made public no later
than Monday before the election, and even ruled in favor
of the plaintiff's attorneys fees that the Arizona Secretary of
State has to pay. So that's a win for us.
I mean, that's a that isn't that's that is awesome.
It is very good. And so we have wins like that.

Speaker 6 (51:31):
We have that.

Speaker 1 (51:31):
We have the Pennsylvania where they tried to shut down
an early voting place. It's supposed to close at five,
they start, they shut down the line at two forty pm.
The Republican National Committee took that to court in Pennsylvania.
The judge not only extended it, they were requesting an
additional day. The judge says, you get the rest of
the week, you get till Friday at five, So that's
a win. So we have some of those, and I

(51:53):
think it's critical those come before the election, not after.

Speaker 2 (51:56):
Yeah. Yeah, all right, Doug, thank you for your phone call.
Let's go to John in Kerns tonight on the Roden
Greg Show. John. Welcome, thanks for joining us. How do
you guys do We're doing well? Thank you?

Speaker 6 (52:07):
You're awesome.

Speaker 16 (52:08):
I listen to you every day.

Speaker 2 (52:09):
Thank you, thank you every day. Thank you.

Speaker 5 (52:11):
I finally got this.

Speaker 16 (52:13):
You know how many times I've tried to get.

Speaker 15 (52:14):
Through to you guys.

Speaker 2 (52:16):
Welcome, well, welcome. It's great you got through.

Speaker 17 (52:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 16 (52:22):
But as far as yeah, the scariest Halloween story ever, yeah,
comor getting you up back in often get back to
the you know, to the president. I can't imagine. It's
I feel like a lot of people do. Four more
years of this is the worst Halloween story ever. I
don't think we can recover, you know. I feel that
Trump is going to pull this out, and we have

(52:44):
a chance. I think he can. He can do it.

Speaker 6 (52:46):
I know he can do it. But if he if
he doesn't do it now, I don't think it can happen.
It has to happen now.

Speaker 2 (52:53):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm with you, John, It's got to
happen now because we another four years of what has
happened in the past four years. Greg, some people are
saying the country's over now. We want to be able
to recognize our own guns.

Speaker 1 (53:04):
Can you imagine if the fourteen million people they let
across that border can without ID and everything else in
California and a lot of them can vote. I mean,
we're we don't have we don't have a strong majorities
in Texas as they have in California. That's true, It's
it's coming down to the fourteen could decide it. Four
million could decide it. Let's go to Patrick in Springville. Patrick,
thank you for calling the Rod and Greg Show for

(53:26):
the scariest topic on this horror Halloween. Uh Ron and
Greg show. What say you?

Speaker 8 (53:34):
Part of the scariest problem I've noticed is talking I
work at a pretty large company and talking to some
of the younger kids and even older people. The common
answers I don't care, like what, and they're like, I'm
not involved, it doesn't involve me, and you have to

(53:55):
start explaining to them, you know some of the reasons, Well,
what about your guests to three. Well, they want you
to say that it needs to be down to one nine.
So there are so many people that say they don't care,
they don't get involved. It doesn't bother me. They have
no idea that Israel is attacked. It's it's amazing.

Speaker 2 (54:17):
Wow, wow, that's that is amazing, Patrick can see. That
was my biggest fear, which I talked about. You know,
there are those low propensity voters who pay no attention
to politics or election. They only show up once every fame.

Speaker 1 (54:31):
I like to call them people that don't listen to
the Rodd and Greg show. That could be that's who
they are.

Speaker 2 (54:35):
That could be. But they they you know, they vote
and if they lose this time and they see what
Kamala does, they may not get involved again. And what
Patrick just pointed out, that's what is the scariest thing
in the world, that the American people we become disengaged.

Speaker 1 (54:50):
It reminds me of an age old quote. A Greek
philosopher said, you might not care. I'm paraphrasm, but this
way he said, you might not care about politics, but
politics cares about you. The day you just thought worrying
about who's elected and you don't take that chance that
there's so many people that want to make the rules
that you have to live by, and we won't like it.
And we'll find out. We'll figure that out real quick
if we don't already know.

Speaker 2 (55:09):
All right, let's go to Allen in Salt Lake, Sodie.
He wants to weigh in on this tonight. Alan, how
are you? Thanks for joining us?

Speaker 6 (55:16):
Done? Great, guys, I love your show, been listening to
you for a long time. Never called.

Speaker 2 (55:20):
Oh great, thank you great, thank you for calling.

Speaker 5 (55:24):
What's the you?

Speaker 1 (55:25):
So?

Speaker 6 (55:26):
So what if this is all by design? You know,
we're we're supposed to join the One World Government and
all that garbage and when we're strong, were that's never
going to happen, right, So Obama knew that that Biden
wasn't going to win for sure, and then of course
Trump would have probably went ahead and made it in

(55:46):
there anyway. But what if they're going to set it
up so bad for Kamala Harrison And I don't know
anybody that Konacky listened to her and still vote for
I'm with you, but she, I mean, those two are
so bad, so bad that everybody in the world knows
that they're never going to make it to the White House.

(56:08):
What if they're installed anyway, isn't I mean, don't they
want us to be fighting amongst ourselves? So what if
this sparks something even worse than we can even imagine? Yeah,
I mean this is where it's going.

Speaker 2 (56:21):
Yeah, that's the scary thing. Alan you had something, dad, Greg, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (56:25):
Only that in twenty twenty four. I hate that I
would agree or that it's those type that scenarios possible.
But I do not think like sixteen and twenty where
they could you know, we were Trump surprisingly one in
sixteen and then didn't win but came close in twenty.
The conventional wisdom is so strong on Trump's side on
this one that if they if they do pull a

(56:45):
big steal, I don't know how that's going to go.
I don't know that you can assume everything just goes
back to normal and we just go okay, Well that
was the end of that. So it is it's a
very Halloween horror filled scenario that we're describing.

Speaker 2 (56:58):
You want me to scare you a little bit more,
I have got We'll go to a break. But let
me just drop this in what if they want to
win because they know if the Republican lose, there could
be a huge fight within the Republican Party party. It'll
be society, it'll be something, it'll be something. All Right,
more of your calls and comments coming up right here

(57:20):
on the Roden Greg Show and Utah's Talk Radio one
oh five nine k n rs. All right, let's go
back to the phone.

Speaker 1 (57:26):
I like the insight as per usual from our callers,
So let's go back to let's talk to Randall, who's
on I fifteen right now. Randall, welcome to the Rodd
and Greg Show. What do you think of this horror
show we're talking about?

Speaker 10 (57:38):
Yeah, how are you guys doing today?

Speaker 2 (57:40):
We're well, thank you?

Speaker 10 (57:42):
You know you guys talk about how you know the
how spooky it's gonna be when Trump wins. What's going
to be the ramifications if he love if he if
he does win, I mean they didn't like him before,
they hate him now? Can you comprehend the ramifications that

(58:05):
will happen now if he wins? With the Democrats?

Speaker 1 (58:08):
Oh the wee thing and Whaley. Look, actually, Randall, you
bring up a really good point. The type of the levels,
the extent they the extent they would go to try
and block his reforms, and his is paring down of
this federal government, this this swamp, and all the agencies
that that there are more agencies in years this country
has been in existence. H You're right, they aren't going

(58:28):
down without a fight. They're going to fight back as
hard as they can.

Speaker 2 (58:31):
Well, isn't there a hearing two weeks after the election
where Donald Trump will be sentenced for his convictions in
New York? That's right to Randall's point, they could probably
try to throw them in the clink, a president elect
in the clink. Yeah, you know, don't put it past them, guys,
you don't put it past them. All right, Let's go
to Robert and Sandy tonight here in the Roden Greg Show. Robert,

(58:54):
how are you? Thanks for joining us?

Speaker 5 (58:56):
All right, good afternoon.

Speaker 17 (58:58):
You know, I am scared of it, but not entirely.
The genius of the founding forefathers came up with checks
and balances. So it's never been more important for people
in Texas to vote for Ted Cruz or Florida to
vote for Senator Scott, or in Florida and Nevada, the
vote for Brown. We've got to take the Senate back

(59:19):
and we've got to hold the House. So if she
does get elected, she's hamstrung and she can't.

Speaker 6 (59:23):
Do the stuff that she liked to do.

Speaker 5 (59:25):
It's super maybe more important than.

Speaker 17 (59:27):
Ever to make sure that we make sure those down
ballid people are elected.

Speaker 1 (59:32):
Oh, such a good point, Robert. I'm telling you, if
we did have the House in the Senate that is
a uniting cause, it would take every Republican and put
them around the single cause, and that would be to
try and rebuff Harris administration.

Speaker 2 (59:44):
It would. You aren't going to agree with me on
what I'm about to say. What we have the weakest
legislative branch that we've ever had in this country. Well, yes,
I actually I will agree with that. The President's ignore them,
they do executive orders. The Supreme Court has to deal
with it. I think we have a very weak legislative

(01:00:05):
body now, with control maybe by both Republicans.

Speaker 1 (01:00:08):
That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (01:00:09):
Maybe maybe that's been a little more that's right now to.

Speaker 1 (01:00:12):
Be the catalyst for a change in the in the
strength of the our legislative branch federally, is that it
be if you had that you had to push against.
But yeah, I think that I feel good about the Senate.
I don't know about that House. I don't know what's
going to happen there. That's in terms of who's going
to take the majority.

Speaker 2 (01:00:29):
There was an article the other day I saw Greg
and I think, I think there are ten ten House
races that could decide who's going.

Speaker 1 (01:00:36):
To control the up for re election every year.

Speaker 2 (01:00:39):
Now on the other year, on the positive side, there
was a report out if what if all these tight
Senate races went to the Republicans, we could have a
ten vote margin in the US Senate.

Speaker 1 (01:00:51):
Well, that would be wow, would that be? That wouldn't
be sixty though, it.

Speaker 2 (01:00:55):
Would been pretty good. Yeah, yeah, would be sick.

Speaker 1 (01:00:57):
Sixty forty, because that's then then you're filibuster proof there.

Speaker 2 (01:01:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:01:01):
But I'd like to just repeat Robert's point. Is so
important not that we're that were I'm not dooming gloom.
I think we're going to pull this off. But in
the event we didn't, and they got brazen enough somehow
to reverse what we're seeing with our own eyes and
by way of trend and and and success by Trump Boy,
that the House and Senate this could be. We have

(01:01:22):
to pay attention to those Dan down ballots. I listened
to Ted Cruz's voice on Sean Hannity's show today and
he's it sounds like he is worried that they they
have dropped one hundred million dollars of campaign ads TV
ads into that state and that race is unnecessarily close,
really close, within a point or two. That's a disgrace
for Texas to have a conservative like Ted Cruz and
have someone from Congress who was who's a die in

(01:01:45):
the world liberal. Uh, within a point or two of
Ted Cruz. And so I I do think we have
to look at this down ballot and we cannot take
any of those states for granted. We really do have
to make sure we win these states.

Speaker 2 (01:01:56):
Yeah, if if let's say Donald Trump wins and we're
all hoping and he does next Tuesday, but Ted Cruz
loses in Texas, you know what the media is going
to focus on Texas.

Speaker 1 (01:02:06):
Well, if you only win, if you win to and
lose one, they still stay in control.

Speaker 5 (01:02:12):
Oh no, they do.

Speaker 1 (01:02:13):
If if if if Harris wins, they stay in control
because the vice president is the deciding vote. So if
Trump wins, then that wouldn't be the case. But what
if Harris was the case. I hate all these topics.
I like the I like the garbage truck. Last yesterday
way better. That was a much more fun show. This
one's just got a pit in my stomach.

Speaker 2 (01:02:31):
I want to well, I want to go back. I'm
just trying to bring you to kiss the face you just.

Speaker 1 (01:02:37):
Put a grim reaper costume on right now? Why are
you doing this to me?

Speaker 2 (01:02:40):
Because I want you to think I wanted to. I
want to frighten people who are listening to get off
their duffs and go vote. Why it is chilling effect, Jeb,
what's the point anymore? But did you hear Rod? Why
even vote? It doesn't even matter anymore. Rod just convinced
me the fixes in. I'm a happy guy, and I
want to be happy next Tuesday to be able to

(01:03:02):
do so. You gotta go vote.

Speaker 1 (01:03:03):
Oh, I'm so ramped up, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:03:06):
And if you have relatives throughout the country, give him
a call and say, go vote.

Speaker 1 (01:03:09):
We should get my cousin Matt on the phone for Pittsburgh.

Speaker 2 (01:03:12):
We may we need to hear. We may have to
before the vote.

Speaker 1 (01:03:14):
Yeah, I'm fine. If it's not good news. I don't
want to talk to him. I only want to hear
it if it's good news.

Speaker 2 (01:03:18):
Oh you can't shelter yourself, mister Hughes. I'm trying to
help you kiss the face of reality. But the other
issue that one of the callers brought up that I
think you have to think about, Greg is if they win,
I also think you know what happens to the Republican Party. Look,
we're Donald Trump is not going to run again. He's
already said that. So what happens to the Republican Party?

(01:03:39):
And I think that's that's that's another thing that the
Democrats are looking at, saying we get the White House,
we get at least one body of the legislature, and
or a Publican party will be in disarrect.

Speaker 1 (01:03:51):
Well, they won't have Trump. A Trump could still be
at maybe a leader by voice of the party, but
if you lose three times then it's going to be
harder to be that voice. But the party has become
a bigger tent, and not by betraying principles either, but
by the popular, the population getting behind them. That's the popular.
When we say populist, I like the one of our guests, Ontes,

(01:04:11):
called it the popular, the populace getting behind the candidate
like Reagan Democrats did. That's what we need, uh for
the future of the party. Without regard to did I
scare you this last time? Yeah, that's said, yes, you did.

Speaker 2 (01:04:22):
Our number three Haby Halloween.

Speaker 1 (01:04:25):
Pauly market right now sixty three point one percent. That
was a sit Now that was sixty three point three
when we started the show, but that it was sixty
three point one before we started show. It's it's been
moving a couple decimals, but good. Sixty three point one
percent of the smart money's going Trump's way, thirty six
point eight percent of the money's going Kamala Harris's way.
Get to the swing states Arizona seventy five twenty four

(01:04:48):
for Trump, Georgia's seventy three twenty six Trump, you get
the Michigan Harris is ahead fifty three percent of the
money that she'll win, specifically Michigan fifty three percent of
the money for Harris. Uh In Nevada, sixty three percent
of the money is going Trump's way. Pennsylvania, the all
important Pennsylvania, fifty nine percent. That's been as high as
sixty three percent. It's fifty nine to forty one right

(01:05:08):
now in Trump's favor in the betting markets, and in
Wisconsin fifty two percent of the money right now in
Trump's favor, forty eight percent in Harris. That's not right there.
If that were to be the election results, that's that's
north that's two hundred and eighty one.

Speaker 2 (01:05:22):
Uh, he's got it, they'll have it.

Speaker 1 (01:05:24):
Yeah, that's two hundred. That's actually more than two hundred
eighty one. That's two hundred and eighty seven electoral votes
and needs to two hundred eighty seven, does it?

Speaker 2 (01:05:31):
Yeah, Yeah, I saw this real interesting article. We may
be able to talk through the reporter on this from
the Hill that the finger pointing is starting to take
place within the Democratic Party.

Speaker 1 (01:05:41):
Those are important tells for me because that that is
where I feel like you get you're getting the real discussion,
because internal polls are always different than the public because
they're actually they need to know the hard truth. They
need to know what's going on for real. When they
start to turn on each other before the election, that's
always a good sign for us. Well when the other
side's doing that.

Speaker 2 (01:05:59):
Two of the issues that the finger pointing is is
in the direction is going greg Why didn't Biden get
out earlier Okay, And why didn't she pick Shapiro, which
was your biggest fear?

Speaker 1 (01:06:11):
Yes, I'm mad. That was the two things I didn't
want is I didn't want I didn't want Michelle Obama.
Second one was she picks Josh Shapiro, the governor of Pennsylvania,
and you don't win Pennsylvania because he's a very popular
governor and it would be very hard to win the
race without Pennsylvania. So when she didn't pick when she
picked Tim Walls, I thought, you got the weakest candidate
connected to this current administration that's killing our country, and

(01:06:32):
then you picked Tim Walls, who's probably the worst of
all the picks. She could have made. Kelly Down, the
Senator in Arizona, would have been better, yeah than Mark Kelly. Yeah,
And he was one of the top three. It was Shapiro, Kelly,
and Walls, and she went with the worst one.

Speaker 2 (01:06:48):
That's true. Well, one of the issues that we haven't
heard a lot about during this campaign, because I remember
a couple of years ago, Greg who was going to
be the Party of parents, the Party of parents when
it came to when it comes to education. Haven't heard
a lot of discussion about education, even though Donald Trump
is said in the campaign trail. I think he said this, Greg,
that he favors school choice, which I think a lot

(01:07:09):
of Americans do. Well. What about education as an issue
here in Utah? What about it in relationship to the
election coming up? The difference is between the Republicans and Democrats.
A matter of fact, the Sutherland Institute has a brand
new study out called Education and the twenty twenty four election.
How Utah voters prioritize education issues.

Speaker 6 (01:07:31):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (01:07:33):
So joining us on the program is Christine. I think
I startled you a little bit Fairbanks about that, Christine. Yeah, sorry,
education policy analyst with Sutherlands too. This is a fascinating poll, Christine.
Thank you for joining us on the run Greg show. Yeah, Christine,
I want to ask you you looked at the survey.
What are some of the highlights that you're taking away
from it?

Speaker 18 (01:07:52):
I think, over and over it comes through is that
the general population, in different subgroups, they care a lot
about increased teacher retention to increased pay, smaller class sizes,
adequate funding, and some other things, but definitely increasing teacher
attention to increase pay comes up in every single one
of the subgroups as well as the overall population top priority.

Speaker 1 (01:08:15):
So that's that's quite interesting, you know, as a lot
having been a former lawmaker or covering public servant as
I like to say. The one thing about putting together
the education budget is that increased teacher pay and smaller
class sizes are actually they work against each other. If
we have to multiply our ranks of more teachers so
that we can get smaller class sizes, if we're not

(01:08:36):
paying our teachers enough right now, increasing that pay at
the same time that you're adding to your teacher numbers
is just not going to work. They work against each other.
I don't think that people would would necessarily know that
or think about that, but of the of the smaller
class sizes or teacher pay, because that is the reality
when you're putting the budget together. Which do you think

(01:08:57):
that the general population books favors more the retention higher
teacher pay or smaller class sizes.

Speaker 18 (01:09:07):
Definitely, it seems like the teacher retention through increased pay
comes up even higher, you know, a larger percentage, say
it's one of their top priorities. It's also interesting, and
you know, Utah policymakers have made conscious strives to increase
the pay teachers in recent years, including starting pay. You know,
it's gone up like thirty five percent in the past

(01:09:28):
five fiscal years and starting at nearly sixty thousand. We're
also ranked second highest in the country for starting pay.
And it continues. Right, there's this work about having stipend
programs so that excellent teachers can maybe have a six
figure profession as a teacher. And we have a higher
retention rate than average. So it's interesting that this is

(01:09:49):
a priority. It probably reflects what the priorities have been
in the past as well, you know, voting in people
that care about this, and so we're still here and
it's still top of mind, even though we're doing quite well.
Not to say there's not room for improvement, but that
that seems to be something that people prioritize.

Speaker 2 (01:10:05):
Certainly, Christine. When it comes to the political parties, how
different are the Republican views and important issues in education
versus the Democratic views and important issues in education? How
far apart are they, Christine?

Speaker 18 (01:10:19):
You know, what's actually kind of good news again, they
share some things, right, So, Democrats, Republicans, and Independents all
ranked increasing teacher retentions are in spand smaller class sizes,
and then you know Democrats and Republicans ranked modernizing curriculums
more adequately prepared students for the workforce, So they share

(01:10:40):
those in common. Something that you know you're reviewing looking
at these different priorities, there's some shared priorities.

Speaker 5 (01:10:48):
That's great.

Speaker 18 (01:10:49):
Common ground is a great place to start. But also
looking at some of the variety is a good reality too.
That way, you know, different aspects of different topics don't
go completely overlooked or not cared for. So I think
that there is a positive reality in saying some of
the subgroups have different values and preferences, and that can
be just fine as well.

Speaker 1 (01:11:10):
What about some of the issues that certainly are grabbing
headlines and are front of mine nationally, But I've observed
this even in the State of Utah curriculum or even
parental notification issues about what the students are taught, what
they come home and share with their parents or grandparents
about what they're learning. Issues about notification if a child

(01:11:32):
wants to identify potentially of a different gender, are those
front of mind issues with those that you pulled, I
would say so.

Speaker 18 (01:11:41):
In the Republican subgroup, is there are a couple of
things that would touch on that. So holding teachers accountable
for what's taught in the classroom is one of the priorities,
as well as improving student mastery of core curriculum concepts.
And I take away from that sort of putting responsibility
to focus on the basics that of some of these
peripheral or political things that seep into the classroom. So

(01:12:04):
those are probably things that get closest to that, or
even modernizing curriculum to prepare students for the workforce. But
more directly to those those specific questions you're asking, they
didn't really rise to the top in any of these
subgroups or in the general population.

Speaker 2 (01:12:18):
So it's interesting.

Speaker 18 (01:12:21):
As far as other kind of hot button issues or
takeaways from this. We asked how aware the general population
was of something kind of controversial. Was the Utah Fits
All scholarship program? I say controversial just because it took
up a lot of airtime. Seventy five percent of the
general population was not aware of it.

Speaker 5 (01:12:39):
That's huge.

Speaker 18 (01:12:40):
That was actually very surprising for me. Seventeen percent said
they were and eight percent said not sure. Now, when
they were given a definition, kind of a general definition
of this is what it is. You saw a little
bit more support than opposition, so forty four percent versus
forty percent who opposed it. So you can see that
those who are aware of it's kind of trending in

(01:13:01):
that direction of supporting education choice. But it is an
interesting thing for candidates and policy those who are soon
going to be in elected seats. How often the arguments
at the hill sometimes don't actually reach the everyday voter.
So kind of a disconnect there that I think is
worth highlighting. And how do we get people aware of

(01:13:22):
kind of those issues that are happening in the public discussion?

Speaker 2 (01:13:25):
Christine, I came to Utah back in nineteen seventy nine,
and I can always count on three things what people
talk about here in the state of Utah. One of
them is taxes are too high. Number two is we
never have enough water, and number three is teachers are
not paid enough. How I mean the overall feeling about
education in the state. Now, what did people say about it, Christine?

(01:13:46):
Are they happy with it? Do they think it's good?
Do they think it's bad? Headed in the right direction?
How would you summarize it?

Speaker 18 (01:13:53):
Yeah, there was a specific question on that. How Uton's
described the quality of Utah's public education, forty three percent
said it was excellent or good, fifty seven percent said
it was.

Speaker 5 (01:14:03):
Fair or poor.

Speaker 18 (01:14:05):
We broke it out by Utah parents and Utah teachers,
and we actually see a bigger perception difference and disparity there.
So you have thirty five percent of parents saying it's
excellent and good and sixty four percent of teachers saying
that it's excellent or good, and then you can imagine
just the reverse for the fair poor. What accounts for
that difference is not totally clear, at least from our survey,

(01:14:28):
but it definitely suggests that there's some work to be
done there. I now, in September, Sutherland Institute put out
some pulling data about some perception gaps between teachers and parents,
and I don't think that that addresses the entire thing.
It's not probably at the core of it, but it
suggests that maybe parents and teachers haven't always been aligned,
aren't on the same page. There was also areas of

(01:14:48):
agreement and common ground as well. But I do think
that knowing that parents and teachers see that institution quite
differently is something to address.

Speaker 2 (01:14:57):
Christine Cook, education specialist at the Sutherland Institute talking about
education and the twenty twenty four election. Utah votersize prioritize
education issues, brand new report out. Interesting now interesting thoughts. Yes,
such a great question, though, smaller class sizes and more
teacher pay.

Speaker 1 (01:15:17):
That you can't do both.

Speaker 2 (01:15:18):
You can't do both, can you? Or you're not paying
you can if you spend a lot of money.

Speaker 1 (01:15:22):
Well yeah, yeah, Well if you want to spend, if
you want to pay teachers more, you can't multiply those ranks.
Think about we have so many students. If you want
smaller class sizes, you need more classes with more teachers. Yes,
you can't add more teachers to the ranks, add all
and then provide all these raises. You can, but they

(01:15:43):
the cost of that is prohibitive. It really is one
of these things where you could probably make the class
sizes smaller you're going to have more teachers, but it
makes raising the pay more challenging to do. And so
there are two cos. Those are two things you hear
said almost in the same breath, higher pay, smaller class sizes.
But I don't know, do you want your income tax doubled?

(01:16:04):
I mean in terms of paying for that, I mean
it that is a. And by the way, we I
think the legislature, since I haven't been there, I think
they've raised pay incredibly.

Speaker 2 (01:16:13):
Did she say that, Youtah? The highest starting teacher salary
high highlation, isn't it sixty thousand dollars?

Speaker 1 (01:16:22):
It's easy to start. So and so there's been some
mighty gains gains made in teacher compensation, uh, in the
years since I've been tracking it. And so, but it
is it is a ruse. You are not being told
the truth. If someone will tell you they're running for
office that they're going to raise teachers pay and they're
going to shrink the class sizes, the math doesn't work.

Speaker 2 (01:16:43):
If it doesn't. Yeah, if they did that when you
need more schools too, Yeah, where you don't put them?

Speaker 5 (01:16:47):
Where?

Speaker 1 (01:16:47):
Yeah? Where are those were classrooms we were waiting to fill?

Speaker 2 (01:16:50):
Where are they going?

Speaker 6 (01:16:51):
All right?

Speaker 2 (01:16:51):
More coming up on the Rod and Greg Show right
here on Utah's Talk Radio one oh five nine. K
and R asked, well, let's talk about some happy news.
What a good time? Yes, because of Donald Trump and
donning a safety vest, a garbage van's vest and taking
a little ride in a garbage truck.

Speaker 1 (01:17:07):
I mean, how does the left reconcile that they get
so mad that at a Maison Square Garden rally that
was just packed, that they never gave a second of
his actual speech any attention. Three hours prior, a comedian
gets up, tells a joke that he's a roaster. You
can like it, you can hate it, doesn't really matter,
but they want to focus on that by way of

(01:17:28):
I think jd Vance in his podcast with Joe Rogan
said it was like over one hundred times on CNN,
thirty times on NBC, which doesn't do news all day,
which means that they were just talking about it NonStop, NBC, News, CBS,
all of them. But then the President of the United
States of America calls Trump supporters, which you can argue
is half of this nation floating garbage, okay, garbage, And

(01:17:52):
they don't talk about it. They talk about the comedian
from three hours prior at his Maison Square Garden rally NonStop.
The President States just called half this country garbage. They
don't want to talk about it, no, but we talked
about it.

Speaker 2 (01:18:05):
Donald Trump did.

Speaker 1 (01:18:06):
And Donald Trump certainly is going to point out at
least the irony of a moment like that.

Speaker 2 (01:18:12):
Well, the liberal media surprise, surprise, freaking its mind out
Greg over this so called stunt that Donald Trump pulled yesterday.
First of all, listen to this report from a CNN reporter.
Is she sounds a bit angry about what Donald Trump did.

Speaker 17 (01:18:27):
They are trying to milk this for every single drop
that they can.

Speaker 9 (01:18:30):
They want this to turn into.

Speaker 14 (01:18:32):
What happened in twenty sixteen when Hillary Clinton said that
Trump supporters were a basket of deplorables. I cannot stress
enough how we have spent the last three days, which
has been reiterating going over these racist, vile remarks that
we heard in the pre programming leading up to Donald
Trump taking the stage. We have talked about how Puerto
Ricans have been pulling back from Donald Trump, how they
have been calling for him to issue an apology, how

(01:18:55):
that he has not condemned those remarks in any way.
Now he has slipped the script, trying to change the narrative,
and he is trying to latch on to these garbage
comments to try to drive people out two polling places
so that they cast their balance and get everyone who
was already somewhat interested in him more energized than getting to.

Speaker 1 (01:19:13):
The polls does she sound a bit angry with that
those are all protests statement that was not news reporting.

Speaker 2 (01:19:21):
You know what I find funny and you and I
could argue is if journalists are smart for the most part,
I think they are right. They may have different opinions,
but they're somewhat smart people. Why didn't why can't they
figure out greg that Donald Trump controls them if you
think of it, they don't, you know, they're yeah, their narrative.

(01:19:41):
Donald Trump knows how to control the narrative, and they
go right along with it, they do.

Speaker 1 (01:19:46):
He just chums the water and there they come.

Speaker 2 (01:19:49):
Now, the best one was on CBS last night, and
you pointed this out. This is Nora o'donald, who, by
the way, is leaving the show in a few weeks
after the election is over. This is her description of
what happened with the Donald and his garbage out fish yesterday.

Speaker 19 (01:20:04):
He landed in Green Bay just a short time ago
and then pulled this campaign stunt speaking to reporters from
a garbage truck, proof that he and his supporters are
giving no grace to a gaff by President Biden where
he and his explanation inadvertently called Trump supporters garbage.

Speaker 2 (01:20:21):
Attention, Nora, every politician out there pull stunts. Would you
agree with that? Greg Hey pull stunts that, Well, that's what.

Speaker 1 (01:20:28):
They do every every Yeah, it's a it's a campaign moment.
You can in a stunt sounds pejorative, it sounds negative,
it's a it is a display. It's it's playing off
of attacks that have been made at the Trump and supporters.
And yeah, he's doing that. But then then the most
odd thing they share it they have no grace, no

(01:20:48):
grace for president for the President of the States to
call for a gap half the country garbage, they have
no grace And and then to say that it's a gaff.
Like again, if you don't want if you want to
take a comedian three hours before Trump gets on that stage,
and you want him personally to own what that that
comedian said, and you don't even want to really talk

(01:21:10):
about what he spoke about, which was all aspirational and incredible.
They never gave any time for that. If they if
he's going to own what that comedian said three hours prior,
how can you just relegate the president of the United
States calling Trump supporters half this country garbage and and
and describe it as a gaff that you have no grace,
that you will not understand that was just a simple

(01:21:31):
misstatement that he just had. He just had a misstatement,
and they have no grace. It's just it's so beyond
the pale.

Speaker 2 (01:21:38):
Well, I just I was going to ask you, Greg,
have has the media or the dimocrafts ever shown Donald
Trump any grace when he says something not as sentilla, no,
of great, they never have. So for her to say
they're showing him no grades in a gaff that he made,
really well, you know, let's just just talk about this

(01:21:59):
that they say that he misspoke. That's that's That's as
much as they will give Biden. He didn't miss speak,
but they'll say, Okay, he misspoke. They misquote Trump all
the time. They he was talking about the safety of
women from illegals. They are coming across about men and women.

Speaker 1 (01:22:14):
And children, just talking about the babe basic public threat,
the public safety threat that we have. And he says,
but I don't want women to feel vulnerable. I don't
want them to and I want to protect women, and
my staff says, I shouldn't say it like that, but
I do. I want to protect women, and they and
and he goes, I'll say it to whether my if
they whether my UH staffers, whether they like it or not.

(01:22:36):
They took that statement and they said that, and they
took it last night after after his speech, and they
made they framed it around he wants to force you
to have an abortion whether you like it or not,
or to not have an abortion where you like it
or not. And they went through this whole litany of
whether you like it or not, and these terrible narratives
that they put in these quotes in front of him,
saying that it's you talk about fake news as he has,

(01:22:59):
or the New York Times looking for these conservative platforms
that they want to they want to ban them off
of YouTube because they think they're inaccurate. That commercial is
an absolute lie. Or his statement about find people from Charlottesville,
where they tried to say he was saying that neo
Nazis were fine people. That's a lie. He never said it.
That's not a gaff that's that's a falsehood. And they

(01:23:20):
that was still being brought up in the in the
debates this year.

Speaker 2 (01:23:23):
He was saying that what he was talking about on
the Women's Body was talking about migrant crime and my
illegally aliens being in this country. And he said, you know,
I'm going to protect you whether you like it or not.
What he was meaning there was if you voted for
me or not, I'm still going to protect you.

Speaker 1 (01:23:37):
That's right.

Speaker 2 (01:23:37):
But they're running different, always saying you know, if you
like it or not, I'm not going to protect you.

Speaker 1 (01:23:42):
The only thing you can protest in that to say
I want to be assaulted. I never want you to
protect me, whether I like it or not. I don't
want I don't like it. So let me be the
victim of these crimes. It's so it again. They twist it,
so smeared. It's a big job. It's not a gaff.
It's just it's an absolute yeah smear.

Speaker 2 (01:24:01):
All right, more coming up, some changes in how you travel.
We'll talk about that next on the Rot and Greg
Show and Utah's Talk Radio one oh five nine knrs.
Be careful out there if you're driving through the neighborhood,
look out for the little ones running around getting their candy.

Speaker 1 (01:24:16):
Guess what I learned. What if you have a ring
doorbell and you have it on the prompt, it's just
going off like I'm gone on my phone right now.

Speaker 2 (01:24:25):
Have you got a lot of little kids in your neighborhood?

Speaker 1 (01:24:27):
Actually I don't, so I'm really surprised how many ring
notifications I'm getting right now.

Speaker 2 (01:24:31):
But yeah, well, they know you're Greg is part of
the Rod and Greg show. You know you make it.
They know you make a ton of money because of
the salary we pay you, and they think you got
pretty good candy.

Speaker 1 (01:24:40):
Maybe they're just yeah, they're I'm sure their parents just
want to know how their race is going. They think
we can tell them, so.

Speaker 2 (01:24:45):
They're on my doorbell now, you know, I think, Greg,
I am one of the luckiest guys in the world.
Knock on wood whatever. I've never had what I would
call in overly bad experience flying.

Speaker 1 (01:24:58):
I've had one.

Speaker 2 (01:24:59):
You've had one. I've had one, one or two? Right, yeah, yeah, Now,
now I bring that up because the working with the
Department of Transportation, there is a new airline rule out
there and it requires some changes, especially if you face
flight disruptions or cancelations. I had a chance earlier today
to talk with Jay Ratliff, he's the aviation expert with iHeartMedia,

(01:25:22):
about this, and I asked Jay, first of all, if
in fact, what those changes are and what they could
need for travelers.

Speaker 9 (01:25:28):
They aren't a fact. In essence, what we're seeing is
the Department of Transfer Take is trying to force, if
you will, some additional customer service onto airlines, which is
kind of bad when it has to be you know,
forced honest, but look, we'll take anything that we can get,
that's for sure. And in essence, if you have a
flight that is severely delayed by let's say more than

(01:25:49):
three hours, flight ends up getting canceled, you have bags
that don't arrive when they're supposed to. The airlines in
the past have been somewhat agreeable to the fact that, okay, yes,
some compensation could be in order, We'll go ahead and
give you a voucher. That happens a lot on canceled flights,
and it really has become annoying because sometimes individuals will say, look,

(01:26:13):
I just want my money back, I'm not going to fly,
and the airlines are saying, no, we're going to give
you a voucher.

Speaker 15 (01:26:19):
Now.

Speaker 9 (01:26:19):
The kicker about these vouchers is that airlines know that
eighty five percent of them are more are never going
to be used. They have Normally they have a one
year expiration date on them. So it's like the airlines
screw up. They give us an apology check that they
know the vast majority of people are never going to cash,
so there's really been a little incentive on their part.

(01:26:42):
They kind of get their ACKed together. And now if
we have a flight that's canceled, no longer can the
airlines say we're going to offer your voucher. They're gonna
have to offer the refund. You also have a situation
where if your bags check bags that you have paid
for don't arrive at your domestic destination within twelve hours
of your arrival, that bag is going to be refunded.
So the thought process here is that it's going to

(01:27:04):
force airlines to stop getting out of the habit of
just throwing these miles at us or a voucher as
an apology and give us a cold heart cash. And
that's going to be a game changer for us because
this is going to be something that's going to force
the airlines into better service. Now, not every airline has
an expiration date on their vouchers. Southwest, for one, does not,

(01:27:26):
and some airlines will work with us if the flights
are delayed or canceled to a serious extent where a
refund might be in place. So what we're saying now
is that Department's Transportation is telling these airlines, look, you're
going to get your act together. And this isn't the
first time the dots come down on the airline industry,
which for many, many years decades actually kind of did

(01:27:49):
what they wanted. And this has really been the first administration.
And look, I am not a fan of the Biden
administration at all, but I will certainly say I give
them reddit for trying to go after the airlines unlike
any other administration that I've ever seen.

Speaker 2 (01:28:04):
Jay, what about how complicated of a task will it
be to get one of those refunds? It's going to
be relatively easy. Are they making it difficult? How complicated
will it be?

Speaker 9 (01:28:14):
This will be a good check in with me in
six months kind of conversation. But I mean, if you're
dealing with an airline and you find out that you're
not getting it immediately, and again we've got to give
airlines a little bit of time to work through this.
Go right back to the Department of Transportation dot dot gov,
which is the same place you should be filing your

(01:28:35):
airline complaints and file that complaint there if you're seeing
that this is not being done. And it's going to
be interesting, especially as we move forward, to see how
quickly airlines respond and two how much better things might
become with airlines with the regards to flight operations, baggage handling,
and things of this nature. So it's going to be

(01:28:57):
fascinating if we can actually see the me'll move a
little bit on the customer service side where we actually
start to receive some better service from these airlines that
you know, on their best day kind of take us
for granted. Rarely do we ever feel like that we're
a valued member of their business. In fact, if anything

(01:29:18):
we endure travel these days, we don't enjoy it.

Speaker 6 (01:29:21):
Yeah, so anything that makes.

Speaker 9 (01:29:23):
This better for us, I think is going to be
good news.

Speaker 2 (01:29:25):
How big of an issue JAY is delayed flights versus
canceled flights. I would imagine the percentage of delayed flights
is much higher than canceled flights Or Am I wrong?

Speaker 9 (01:29:35):
No, you're very student. That's an excellent point and an
accurate one, because sometimes you have these creeping delays where
you know, if it's within the airlines control Now, look,
if it's if it's a weather situation that the airlines
have absolutely no control over it, then then the normal
rules would apply.

Speaker 11 (01:29:53):
But if it's a.

Speaker 9 (01:29:53):
Situation where you've got a mechanical situation, a late riving crew,
something that is considered within the control of the airline,
that's when it becomes annoying. Where you have a one
hour delay and then the creeping delay. Now it's an
hour and a half and you're waiting for some other
pilot to show up or flight attendant, and now you're

(01:30:13):
at the three hour mark and passengers time out. Forget it,
I'm out of here.

Speaker 2 (01:30:17):
I want my money back and I'll go home.

Speaker 9 (01:30:20):
And this is going to force the airlines to comply.

Speaker 15 (01:30:23):
Just that.

Speaker 9 (01:30:23):
If you're talking about an international flight, then you're talking
about delays of six hours. Is with the delayed luggage,
I think it's.

Speaker 2 (01:30:31):
Twenty four to thirty some hours on that.

Speaker 9 (01:30:34):
If they don't get the bags to you, because obviously
the international flights being longer and taking a little bit
longer to get what we call delayed never lost bags
to their destination. They're technically not lost unless we can't
find them for ninety days. And then that's when the
loss bag turns in or a delayed bag turns into
a loss bag.

Speaker 2 (01:30:53):
Jane, let me ask you a fine quote. We haven't
spoken for quite some time, and I know what the
airline industry and all of us went through during COVID
nineteen and how we reacted and tried to deal with
all of this were years separated from that. Now, how
would you describe the state of the airline industry at
this point?

Speaker 16 (01:31:09):
Jay?

Speaker 9 (01:31:11):
The low cost carriers are struggling because we have a
rise and fuel costs, many of them had to have
see a rise in employee costs, and the yield or
profit propassion or that a lot of these low cost
carriers are making has decreased significantly. We're seeing Southwest not
make as much money as they need to, and that's

(01:31:32):
one of the reasons that Southwest is kind of pivoted
to the point where they're eventually going to have assigned seats,
which is I think great not only from a customer
service standpoint, but it's going to be a great thing
for them from a revenue standpoint because then they can
charge for those premium seats the as also as well
as the window. But they're also going to have seats
with extra leg room, which I love, and this for

(01:31:55):
Southwest I think is long overdue. And they've already started
talking to their freaking flyers saying, look, if we had
to start charging for luggage the first couple of bags,
which now bag the first two fly free, is that
something you would tolerate? And the vast majority of frequent
flyers say absolutely, because they know that that's a part
of the industry. So we're seeing Spirit airlines right now

(01:32:17):
suffering big time. They laid off I think one hundred
and eighty pilots last month and they have layoff another
one hundred and something coming up here soon. So they're
doing what they can because they've not made a profit
since before covid Jet Blues also kind of fallen on
some difficult times, and again all the low cost carriers. Overall,

(01:32:37):
we're seeing the bigger carriers, the legacy carriers doing quite
well simply because they have a slightly different operating model
they can charge a little bit more, especially on the
routes that they don't have the direct competition from low
cost carriers. But across the board, the airline industry is
a little less healthy as they might have been pre COVID,

(01:32:59):
but the employee numbers back, so we've got all the
people that we need, all hands on deck. So we're
not fighting that situation anymore. But right now, as we progress,
airlines are changing because now if they have a route
that's not making the money, they might have a Salt
Lake City to Seattle route that they run all the time,
and they're like, that's not making as much money per

(01:33:21):
passenger as we want. We're going to take that flight
out and run it to Dallas because our yield are
profit for passengers much higher, and we're going to Seattle.
We might have to have an eighty nine percent load
factor to break even. Well, we can run that flight
to Dallas with higher fares and only need a fifty
seven percent load factor and anything above that. So before
airlines would get to a route and they would beat

(01:33:43):
on it forever. They never wanted to give it up,
fearing somebody else might come in.

Speaker 11 (01:33:47):
And take it.

Speaker 9 (01:33:48):
Now they're like, who cares. We'll take that crew and
aircraft and put that silver revenue tube in a place
where it can make us the most money possible. And
we're seeing that happen a lot, and flyers are adjusting.
They're like, wow, you know what happened to my flight
from here to there?

Speaker 5 (01:34:01):
Uh?

Speaker 9 (01:34:01):
It was always full?

Speaker 11 (01:34:02):
Well, it may have been fulls.

Speaker 9 (01:34:04):
It doesn't mean the airlines were making a lot of
money and they simply put that on another route where
they could make more.

Speaker 2 (01:34:08):
Aviation expert Jay Ratliff joining us on the show this evening,
talking about changes in the airline industry. You get to
go to the airport tomorrow night, I do. Will you
walk that new walk?

Speaker 1 (01:34:20):
I hope I don't have to. I hope I'm on
the right side of that terminal. I hop internal terminal A. B.
You're such a was you used to have to start
singing pioneered children saying as they walked when you go
on that terminal B, it's a disgrace.

Speaker 2 (01:34:33):
No, it's all right. Some final thoughts coming up on
the Rod and Greg Show and Utah's Talk Radio one
O five nine K and are asked, remember the late
Senator Tom Coburn, Yes, from Oklahoma.

Speaker 1 (01:34:46):
Remember as a physician, he delivered babies.

Speaker 2 (01:34:48):
Yeah, he delivered babies. But every year he would put
out a report. I think he called it like the
Pork Report or some of the you know the crazy
things that the the government was spending. Well, wish he
was around for this. Air Force officials paid nearly eight
thousand percent more than they should have on soap dispensers
for aircrafts.

Speaker 1 (01:35:09):
Yeah. Yeah, of course the.

Speaker 2 (01:35:13):
Air Force has been overpaying for basic soap dispensers for
his aircraft fleet, to the tune of nearly one hundred
and fifty thousand dollars for a soap dispenser a military aircraft.
You think Elon Musk could find that, Yeah, I bet
he could. I'll bet he can find that. Yeah he could.

Speaker 1 (01:35:31):
We affward that to him because he's got a job.

Speaker 14 (01:35:34):
To do here.

Speaker 2 (01:35:34):
Yeah, he sure does. He has a big job to do.
H New York City. You've been to New York. Yes,
everybody crosswalks, yes, yeah, they don't pay attention.

Speaker 16 (01:35:43):
No, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:35:44):
Now, you gotta watch for bikes too. There's a lot
of fast moving bicycles running around there. They're the couriers.
Watch It's not like out here, boy, they got a
job to do, those pikes.

Speaker 6 (01:35:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:35:54):
Well, apparently jaywalking has now been legalized in New York City. Okay, okay,
I've never seen anybody get a ticket for jaywalking. In
New York City. The legislation, which sought to remove penalties
from crossing streets outside designated crosswalks, was advocated by a
group claiming, you ready for this, the law has disproportionately

(01:36:16):
targeted Black and Latino residents.

Speaker 1 (01:36:20):
You're gonna get hit, so it's kinda happen. You don't
cross on the walk at the light, you're gonna get hit.

Speaker 2 (01:36:26):
Yeah. But people jwalk, Yeah, they're gonna get hit if
by jay walk downtown. Sometimes my wife goes, don't.

Speaker 1 (01:36:31):
Do that, And my grandmother she would be down heavens
Now you waited the light? Really, yeah, she's very strict
about it.

Speaker 2 (01:36:39):
Yeah, well, well now it's legal in New York.

Speaker 1 (01:36:42):
She would hate that. My grandmother would hate that. She's
she was just looking at the World War two veteran.
She she's in the Navy during the war.

Speaker 2 (01:36:49):
Looking out for your safety. As all of it. Prices
of staple Halloween products such as candy and costumes increased
in the US, and twenty twenty four, surprise surprise, with
the US inflation dipping a little bit, many consumers are
still concerned about high Halloween related prices. Total Halloween spending
this year is going to exceed. You ready for this

(01:37:11):
eleven point six billion dollars. Some people have gotten crazy
with the decorating.

Speaker 1 (01:37:17):
Well, no, Queen Bee told me that she sees more
candy in excess at the stores than she has seen
in past years. She has not seen the consumer demand
for the Halloween candy. She's looking at the bags and
she said, those used to be sold out so fast
and they were hard, like they go quexpensive. Yeah, she
she does not see. She observes a chilled consumer spending

(01:37:38):
on Halloween decorations, but particularly the candy. She doesn't see
it going off the shelves.

Speaker 2 (01:37:44):
Yea, because like if you were in years past, if
you're thinking, I've got to get some candy and you
would run out this afternoon, it would have been hard
to find something. Right, And she says, now it's.

Speaker 1 (01:37:54):
She says, it's everywhere now there's not there's no no
shortage of it now and it used to be, you know,
it used to go off the shells faster. So she
thinks that she's watching some consumer decisions based on inflation
and you know, cost of living and everything else.

Speaker 2 (01:38:07):
You know, what it has amazed me over the years
is the growth of outdoor holiday decorating. Yeah, I mean
that's got you know, you got those big skeleton things
that you see now and all these lights. And I've
got a neighbor and they're great, but that place is litle,
and we're very subtle in hours. We got a few
things right, yeah, that place and they're great people, but

(01:38:29):
they you know, I don't want to pay their electricity billings.

Speaker 1 (01:38:33):
By my son, my youngest son. He loves Halloween so much,
and he actually took to decorating some of the house
up for Halloween because he still likes it the kids
wherever he's older. But it's still nostalgia and everything else.

Speaker 2 (01:38:43):
And do you do anything outside?

Speaker 8 (01:38:45):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (01:38:46):
No, no, we used to, like a pumpkin.

Speaker 1 (01:38:48):
No, we used to, but we didn't. We but he did.
He did some skeleton stuff inside the house.

Speaker 5 (01:38:53):
Oh.

Speaker 1 (01:38:54):
But he was hoping that his crew would want to
do some Halloween stuff. But you know, now he's on
a service mission and they're like, no, we're missions, we're
not dressing up. And then he's just very disappointed by
can't do that. Well, he was hoping maybe.

Speaker 2 (01:39:07):
But no, maybe candy, but they do go crazy. Hey,
just a quick reminder, we'll be back tomorrow. It is
thank Rod and think Greg gets Friday. Tomorrow you're on
talk radio one oh five nine can ears and don't
forget on Monday. We're down to four days, by the way,
Monday weekend, which are the weekend you're right. Monday evening
it is Rodd and Gregg's minute to win it. Join
us starting Monday countdown.

Speaker 1 (01:39:28):
If you haven't voted, get out there and vote, and uh,
we're gonna, We're gonna, we're gonna win it.

Speaker 2 (01:39:33):
Yep, head up, shoulders back. May God bless you and
your family and this great country of ours. We'll see
you tomorrow at four

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