The Rod and Greg Show: Campaign Strategies of Trump/Harris; Incapable Congress is Real Threat to Democracy

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Well, welcome to the show, everybody. It is a week
to go. Can you believe that we're down to the
final seven days?

Speaker 2 (00:06):
It's we always talked about how crazy this whole election
season was going to be, and we couldn't even imagine
all the twists and turns, and it's crazy. It's a
week out. But part of me is excited for it,
and part of me is going to miss the the adrenaline.

Speaker 1 (00:21):
Oh, we'll have plenty to tuggle on. I'm sure quure
now if she wins, our careers are set for the
next four years.

Speaker 2 (00:27):
Well, yeah, I mean probably think about it. Look, I yeah,
I can't even think they're co there anymore. But I
will say that we won't know any week anyway. Most
people are trying to say they're not going to let
us know on election night. The only way we would
is if it's the massive landslide that some people think
there's a potential.

Speaker 1 (00:45):
There's potential it could be as well. Kamala Harris just
a few minutes away. Apparently she'll be taking the big
stage at the Ellipse in Washington. Similar And just to
remind everybody, Greg what happened on January sixth of twenty
twenty one. Yep, and she'll use it to bash Donald Trump.
Let me tell you what I think. You and I
both agree, and all the politico's and the pundits we

(01:07):
talk to are all saying. This strategy that she is
using in the final weeks of the campaign to focus
on nothing but Donald Trump being a fascist, being a Nazi,
you name it, calling them every name in the book,
and not talking about the issues that are important to
the American people is going to hurt her, and I
think it will.

Speaker 2 (01:27):
And what I've heard is that this speech is supposed
to be a depart She's going to do it. She's
going to contrast herself to Trump. But they have begged her,
and they think they have found they leaked to the
media some sort some sort of plan, something proactive that
she is going to lay out for the American people.
That's been different up until now, where it's just Trump's
you know, fear Trump, hate Trump, fear Trump, vote against Trump.

(01:49):
She's going to try to bring something else to the
table tonight or today. We'll see, Yeah, we'll see.

Speaker 1 (01:54):
Well, you know a few excerpts that have been released
from her speech tonight, because what she's doing King Donald Trump.
So we'll have to see what happens. We'll see what happens. Now,
speaking of Kamala, we had another cringe moment on the
campaign yesterday.

Speaker 2 (02:10):
This is why she doesn't get out there.

Speaker 1 (02:11):
She doesn't get out there. Well, apparently she was at
some rally in one of the key states and she
wanted to have a little fun with the audience. So
listen to what happened now.

Speaker 3 (02:21):
I want at you to sell your own name.

Speaker 2 (02:23):
Do that, Cama, look, camalat your own name.

Speaker 1 (02:31):
You got to hear this again because I love.

Speaker 3 (02:33):
I want you to sell your own name. Do that.

Speaker 1 (02:39):
I mean, she just she just can't do it. And
she can't do it, can't do it.

Speaker 2 (02:45):
No, she's not. I mean, at least she didn't have
an accent going on there. I mean, it was kind
of her. Well, it's not that it was her own accent.

Speaker 1 (02:51):
If we have time this week, I will put together
all of her various accents and explain what she's trying
to do with each one, because they're pretty interesting, Greg,
I mean, and there are a lot of them.

Speaker 2 (03:04):
Yeah, well, yeah, there are a lot. And she you
know what, at this point, it's not like she's missing
the memo that people are mocking her for. She goes
to a church this weekend, which it's amazing that they
even let her in church after she told someone who
said Jesus's Lord to leave the root, to leave the rally.
I mean, I don't even know how she's getting in
the building, but she had a she had very much
a preacher's kind of cadence to her her speech that

(03:27):
at that church, and it just doesn't sound like she
sounds any other time.

Speaker 1 (03:30):
Yeah, she Yeah, we'll we'll find We'll let you hear
some of it later on this week if we have time. Now,
let's talk about the blow up on CNN last night.

Speaker 2 (03:39):
Yeah, this is this is comedy. This is this is comedy.
I like it.

Speaker 1 (03:43):
They have a show late at night that they're trying
to host it by I think I think her name
is Abbie Phillips, and she hosts the show and it's
a political roundtable.

Speaker 4 (03:52):
Right.

Speaker 1 (03:52):
So last night her guest included commentator Mehdi Hassan, who
used to be with MSNBC but was let go be
because of his anti Jewish statements, anti Israel statements, and
included in the discussion as well was Ryan Kudursky. He
is a political strategist. You hear him on with claim buck.
I think we've had Ryan on before a long long

(04:13):
time ago. But they got into quite a discussion about
what happened at the Trump rally on on Sunday in
h in Manhattan at Madison Square Garden, and let me
let I'll let you hear this and then we'll we'll
tell you what exactly happened.

Speaker 2 (04:28):
If you don't want to be called Nazis, stop.

Speaker 5 (04:34):
Table and people know by me, I never called you.

Speaker 2 (04:38):
I mean, I'm not saying her saying.

Speaker 6 (04:39):
I'm a of the Palestinians.

Speaker 1 (04:40):
Some instruments. Well, I hope your beer doesn't go off.

Speaker 2 (04:43):
The thing is that.

Speaker 7 (04:45):
You should.

Speaker 4 (04:48):
No, I did not.

Speaker 8 (04:49):
Say let me, let me let me just.

Speaker 9 (04:59):
Guys, let's are you.

Speaker 1 (05:06):
So here? You have Mehdi Hassan basically calling anybody who
supported Donald Trump, including Ryan Kotursky, ride a Nazi, which
apparently is okay to do. But once Ryan Koturski, you know,
after Mehdi Hassan admitted I'm a Palestinian and I'm a
pro pro Palestinian, and Ryan Kosi cracks a funny joke.

(05:27):
I think hope your beeper doesn't go off. The panel
goes crazy, and guess who was asked to leave the panel?
Ryan Kotursky, you.

Speaker 2 (05:35):
Know, And it's like you wish you're you You what
the beaber? If you want me to be dead? No,
I don't want to be hurt by you. I don't
want to be near it when it goes off. I
don't even care what happens, you pal, You're just absolutely
ripping on Israel every single day, every single night. I
don't really care. They don't even understand the joke when
he said it. No, they don't get it, even get
the joke.

Speaker 1 (05:53):
They didn't get it. Yeah, I mean, you know, if
they're going to uh foster an environment on this show,
Greg where you you know it's free of racism or bigotry,
then maybe they should get rid of Hassan instead of
Ryan because you got into this.

Speaker 2 (06:10):
Yeah, it's a one way street that those comments come
out because you've got a guy that is Look anyone
that tells you that they're pro Palestinian or they're at there,
they're condemning Israel right now. You wouldn't have these terrorists
being dealt with if if Israel wasn't doing what they're doing.
So anyone that's against what the Israel's doing is pro terrorist.
It's it's you're just pro Hamas. I don't care what

(06:30):
they say, you're pro Homas if you're condemning any because look,
I mean they are, they're doing some what they're doing.
I don't know. And how in hindsight anyone can look
at how Israel has reacted since October seventh of last
year and said, well, that's a waste of time. That
was bad, that didn't work out. No, no, and it's
sad that's going on. It's sad. Someone said that one

(06:51):
of the beeper's kid was trying to bring it to
his dad and went out there trying to get Fetterman
on the center of Fenderman on this and say, how
do you how do you feel about well, you know
how he feels about it. That father should have never
let that kid touch it, and he shouldn't involve his
children in his terrorist activity. That's where the blame lies.

Speaker 1 (07:08):
That's where it is. And and I go back to
you know, Katersky apologized. I don't know if he needed to,
to be honest, it was kind of a sick lined Oh,
it's funny, but it's funny. I hope you people doesn't
go off, but it goes to a bigger and we're
all talk about this a little bit later on Greg.
How on earth have we become so sensitive in this
country today? I mean, you've got the guy at the

(07:30):
rally on Sunday and we'll get into this as well. Yeah,
cracking a joke about Puerto Rico. There's an island of
garbage out there and it's called Puerto Rico. I mean,
how do we become so sensitive? What happened to us?

Speaker 7 (07:44):
Rod?

Speaker 2 (07:44):
I'm going to tell you. I think it's one of
the reasons you're seeing men thirty years of age and
younger migrating to away from the Democrat Party. I don't
know for sure to the Republican Party, but certainly away
from the Democrat Party because they're humorless. They are offended
by everything. They can do, offensive things, they can act
in ways that take away your fundamental rights, but they
but you can't make a joke in their presence. There

(08:07):
is no comedy in that Democrat world any longer. And
and the guy and guys, but everybody, everybody senses it.
But this is the rise of some of these really funny,
kind of observant comedians. This is where kind of social
discussions have always come from. Even know Richard Pryor back
in the day, they could talk about these really taboo subjects,
be funny about it, but really talk about some things

(08:28):
that you know, we ought to talk about. Comedy doesn't
have that quality anymore, or hasn't. And you're seeing like
a Shane Gillis and you're seeing some of these other
comedians that are coming up that by the way, Shane
Gillis got canceled by Saturday Night Live and now he's
it's the best thing that ever happened to him because
no one knew who he was when he was canceled,
and now he is a very very popular comedian and
quite funny. But anyway, you have count comedians now that

(08:51):
are rising up that people enjoy, they can laugh again.
And and that's just again that one joke, whatever it
was at the rally, didn't define that rally in anyway.

Speaker 1 (09:02):
And you know who's been the biggest critic of this,
Dave Chappelle. Yes, and Dave Chappelle has not stopped with
his humor and he saying, come on, folks, let's grow up.
So we're going to get into that a little bit
later on in the five o'clock Hour's great to be
with you on this Tuesday. We've got a week to
go before election day, and we'll be with you every
step of the way providing you election night coverage. And
you want to tune in as well right here on

(09:24):
Talk Radio one oh five nine k and rs. They
may have the largest crowd ever at a VOLLEYB women's
volleyball game tonight and at Utah State University. Kira Burke
Lynn State Representative, just put out this news release a
few moments ago. The members of the Utah House of
Representatives will be standing up for and supporting women's sports

(09:44):
by attending the Utah State University's women volleyball match against
the University of Nevada tonight. I mean, you know they're
calling on everybody. I know. Mike Schultz reached out to you, said, hey,
can you help promote this make sure we get people
turning out for this event.

Speaker 2 (09:58):
Yeah, they want to. He actually wanted to give away
some ticket. Yeah, but no, He's I love that the
House of Representatives. We've covered this story before it even
came to Utah State. There are the other schools that
we're doing this, that we're not playing this particular team,
and I just commend these young ladies and the school
for having the courage to do it. You know that
there's been a lot of pressure against.

Speaker 1 (10:18):
Oh A ton of pressure, a ton of pressure. Well,
joining us now on our Newsmaker line is a Caitlin Wheeler.
Caitlin is an ambassador for the Riley Gaines Center. She'll
be there tonight and encouraging all of you in the
Cash County area if you can make it that volleyball
match tonight to please do so. Caitlyn, thanks for joining
us on the show this afternoon. Tell us about this
event tonight and why it's so important.

Speaker 10 (10:41):
Well, thank you.

Speaker 11 (10:42):
Rod so much for having me on. I am in
the great state of Utah, which I know is your
home state, and I'm here to support There's a volleyball
game happening between University of Nevada and Utah State volleyball teams.
These are two states or two teams that are unique
for boycotting games against San Jose State, which we know

(11:04):
has a male player, so I'm here to support them.
We are going to pack the house with the crowd
wearing boycott shirts and support of these girls, and really
just applaud them for their bravery and their courage to
stand up and you know, say that what's happening is wrong.
We know that biological males and women's sports are continuing
to increase, and so I just applaud them for their bravery.

(11:27):
So I'm excited to join them and to join forces,
I guess through Project Boycott, which I would love to
talk more about.

Speaker 2 (11:34):
Too, Caitlin. This issue. I was told probably in the
summertime that you know, these culture war issues really don't
become a front of mind once you get into the
presidential election in the last week or so. But I don't.
I think that there are culture war issues that are
front of mine and will help determine the outcome of
this election this year. One of course, is abortion and

(11:55):
how much attention that's getting in the discussion there. But
really you'll see the Trump camp talking about the gender
transitions of prisoners, talking about that on a lot of
his ads. Where do you put this issue in the
culture wars and the really the attacks on women in
the minds of voters going into this election?

Speaker 11 (12:15):
Oh, I think that's a great point to bring up,
and I definitely think this is a symptom of a
much larger cultural shift where we know truth is being
sacrificed at the altar of ideology, you know, in the
name of inclusivity, which might I mentioned sporting categories, for example,
were created for the exact opposite reason of inclusion. They

(12:36):
were created to be explicitly exclusive, and we're seeing basic
rights of women. We know the purpose of Title nine
was to have sex based laws that provides those equal opportunities,
and we're quickly seeing those being taken away by equating
sex with gender identity, which allows these males to go

(12:56):
into women's sports, to go into women's spaces, and to
go into our areas of undressing. And so I think
it's crucial when you do go in to vote, to
know what who you're voting for, what they're standing for
in the policies that they're putting in place, because we
know the current administration has rewritten Title nine and not
as the Biden Harris administration, to equate sex with ender identity,

(13:17):
and so I definitely think that's something important for women,
especially to keep in mind when going.

Speaker 7 (13:21):
Into the polls to vote Taitalin.

Speaker 1 (13:23):
Were you surprised, and I think it was at the
University of Nevada where the schools administration called out the
girls volleyball team for saying, we don't want to participate
in this. We're going to force again, We're going to
force it a game. Were you surprised that the school's
administration would attack one of his girls teams for doing
what they did?

Speaker 11 (13:42):
Unfortunately, I'm not surprised because sadly, that's what we're seeing
from our leadership. You know, our leadership is failing its
female athletes. And we've seen this time and time again.
I've experienced this with my own university at University of Kentucky,
and across the board, the organization of the nc double
A unwilling to so to defend its female athletes. We're
seeing that here in the case of Blair Fleming, who

(14:05):
is a male volleyball player that is able to compete
on the women's team at San Jose State. They're allowing
it to happen, and so the female athletes. You know,
as we see the increase of these these males and
women's sports, I think as female athletes feel pressure to
compete in situations that compromise their safety and the fundamental
fairness of their sports. But that's why we've brought up

(14:26):
Project Boycott, because it empowers these athletes, these girls to
take a stand and say no, enough is enough. We
shouldn't have to sacrifice our opportunities, our safety, and our sports,
and we're gonna say no. And so I'm so proud
of these women. It's only going to encourage the next
to do the same, and that's what we're hoping here
with Project Boycott.

Speaker 2 (14:46):
So, Caitlyn, I'm a dad. I come from this as
a dad of daughters who played organized sports, and she
played high school sports when she was in high school.
She's older now, and when I speak of this issue,
that's the place I come from in terms of what
I would want for my daughter and her experiences and
the risks and the danger of playing against boys in
these competitive sports. But for us, I feel I'm at
a disadvantage as a man talking about women being threatened

(15:10):
by and undermining the integrity of their sports by other
men in their sports. Women are a stronger voice, I feel,
or at least it's framed that way. What can we
say that would just really what is the maybe the
succinct thing to really argue for where I can't be told, well,
you're a man and you don't you don't have a
place in this, and you just must hate people and
you must be a bigot. Is is there a saying

(15:32):
or something you can say that really gets to the
heart of this that doesn't It doesn't matter whether you're
a guy or a girl. It's just the truth.

Speaker 11 (15:41):
Right right now. I think that's so important. I think
you know, a big question we're asking is you know,
where are all the women? Why aren't women speaking out? Well,
I think the next question, or even better question, is
to say, where are the men, Where are the fathers
that of these of these young women, these daughters who
are being put in these awful situations where they're having
to change and expose themselves in from of boys or
men in locker rooms. We need strong parents. We need

(16:03):
strong men. We know this from the saying you know,
hard times create strong men. Strong men create good times.
Good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times.
And we're in that stage of weak men creating hard times,
and we need strong parents to stand up for their daughters.
I think this is just the tip of the Iceberg
that we're really seeing here and it's not just female athletes,

(16:24):
like you said, who are being affected. It's every girl
in America, every woman who values her right to privacy,
every mother who worries about their daughter, or every father
who worries about her their future daughters. Yes, I mean
obviously a through Project Boycott and at the Riley Gains Center,
we're here to support and amplify the voices of these creatious,
courageous athletes who refuse to give up on their sports

(16:47):
and spaces. We know that with the increasing influx of
men competing in women's sports, we need female athletes who
are willing to take a stand, and we want to
be here there, be here to empower them and to
allow them to be able to have their voices heard
and fight for their sports because we're stronger together and

(17:07):
it's just about encouraging those women to speak out.

Speaker 1 (17:10):
Kitalen, thanks for joining us on our Newsmaker line. That's
Kaitlyn Wheeler, ambassador for the Riley Gaines Center. She'll be
at USU tonight and support of the USU women's volleyball
team against the University of Nevada. These two schools when
several others stood up against I think with San Jose State,
who has a male player on the women's volleyball team

(17:30):
and forfeited the games. And as a show of support,
they're asking people to join Project Boycott and show up tonight.
By the way, the volleyball match gets underway at seven
o'clock tonight as at Weber State University the Wayne Esti Center.
So show up tonight. I'd love to see a huge
crowd there tonight. Is it Weber State, Utah State? Did
I say you said web Oh? Utah State, Utah State.

Speaker 2 (17:52):
I'm sorry, no, I'm just I'm just trying to give
the I'm trying to give Junior the direction.

Speaker 1 (17:58):
Oh, you've got a son up in telling them to
go there.

Speaker 2 (18:00):
I pay tuition there, so it's like I'm there. I
feel like I'm an aggie now because you.

Speaker 1 (18:05):
Know you're telling them to show up. Yeah, good for you.

Speaker 2 (18:07):
I'm hoping Junior. I want to Yeah that's tonight probably
already was I don't know.

Speaker 1 (18:11):
Yeah, tonight, seven o'clock Utah State University at the Wayne
Nesta Center. Go out and support Project Boycott. All right,
More coming up on The Rotten Gregg Show, right here
on Utah's talk radio one oh five nine k n RS.

Speaker 2 (18:24):
I think some of the best social commentary comes from comedy.
I mean, honestly, I said to Shane Gillis, he does
his skit about his dad's a Fox News dad. It's
one of the funniest things I've ever listened to. And
he says, like the liberals go, oh, they boot him.
He's like, yeah, but your dad's a Fox News dad.
And then they all applause. They applaud because it's true.
And and anyway, I do think comedy is a is

(18:47):
a great communicator and we should be able to do it.
But these Democrats, they're just so uptight. Well, everything is
an offense. He got so many pearls to clutch.

Speaker 1 (18:57):
There's people We're going to get into that in the
five Cloud Coward so and we want your opinions on
all of that. But right now, let's talk about the
race for the White House. We're down to the final
seven days. Each camp has interesting coalitions who are supporting
them and joining us on our newsmaker line right now
is Fred Bauer. He is a blogger and a contributor
to the City Journal.

Speaker 2 (19:17):
Fred, thank you for joining us on the program here
love the Love the column A tale of two coalitions.
This is what I'm reading. You got the college degree
air quote educated types versus the working class voters, the
everyday people. Now, this is this is my question to you. Uh,
I don't see the numbers in the Hody tody the
rich people. They don't have enough by way of numbers

(19:39):
to carry an election on their own, whereas the everyday
voters have bigger numbers. Is this a Is this a
practical strategy for the Harris campaign to go after the educated,
white you know, college educated types.

Speaker 7 (19:52):
Hey, thanks shoving me on. I think you're right. This
is one of the big challenges that Kamala Harris is
what I call her Belmont plus coalition grounded in sort
of upper upper income, highly educated voters that she is
to some exence, so relying on exists pre existing democratic
support and working class communities, especially working class communities. There's

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some of these diverse areas, and she risks driving some
of those voters away or at least not retaining those voters.
And so I think that's the biggest pressure that she's facing.

Speaker 9 (20:23):
That.

Speaker 7 (20:24):
Yes, in twenty twenty two, those highly educated suburbanites were
the key setting point and really helped deliver for Democrats
and some of these key swing state Senate races and
almost allowed Democrats to keep the House. But I think
when you get into a general election against Trump, who's
been very successful driving engagement for his core voters who

(20:45):
maybe sat out in the mid terms of preps, coming
back online this time around, that's the big political pressure
point that she faces heading into next Tuesday.

Speaker 1 (20:54):
Fred, you know, I've said this for quite some time.
I have never seen a candidate like Donald Trump who
has such an unbelievable following, a dedicated following. I mean,
they're rabid when it comes to Donald Trump. Why do
you say, I mean, what of his coalition that he
has right now? What is the big attraction to that
coalition and why they are so fervent believers from what

(21:16):
Donald Trump is trying to do.

Speaker 7 (21:19):
I think for a few reasons. One is that Trump
has been a major celebrities and a half for decades.
He's still you know, he conquered the media from during
the television age, and now he's up. The television age
are over and the media lan speak's laufractured. He is
still with gold standard of celebrity of success, and I
think that's attracted to a lot of people. Also, I

(21:40):
think Trump in a lot of ways has been benefited
by his opponents because Kamala Harris is run a campaign
that on social issues is pretty far to left, and
I think the rise of Trump has pushed the Democratic
Party fars and left on many especially social issues, and
that's caused many voters to look to Trump and say,
this is the guy, this guy's gonna be the bull.

(22:01):
Were against this sweeping gi geological revolution and look back
at twenty twenty and they see what the so called
Greater Wokening led to and aren't really happy about it.
And so I think that's really helped galvanize Flump's supporters.
And I think a final thing is that Trump is
very familiar with using media, very supported so he's an

(22:21):
old man now it's still really into using new media.
Un So we see him getting out there in podcasts
and really interacting with people in a way that Kamala
Harrison has really been slow to do. I'm surprisingly for
Canada from California, you think you are keen to do that,
but so far she's been avoiding a lot of that.

Speaker 2 (22:37):
You know, I think you're exactly right that I think
she assumed to have certain voting blocks that have for
generations just been given the sheet music, and they have sang,
and they have shown up in percentages that they've expected.
But this year it looks like it's a campaign of subtraction,
while Donald Trump's campaign looks like a campaign of addition,
meaning some of those dependable voting blocks that have voted

(22:59):
for Democrat candidates and your you know, elections gone by,
you're seeing a greater portion of Latino vote, or the
black vote, or the union vote, or men ages thirty
and under vote. I don't think Rfk Junior started the
year thinking he was going to be supporting and campaigning
for Donald Trump. Elon Musk wasn't on board at the

(23:19):
beginning of the year, neither Telsea Gabbert. So I see
them just losing so many of those some of the
people that you're talking about, the working class or the
everyday people. But I so you you talk about it
like it's like you could happen. Are you seeing evidence
that that is what's happening that they are they can't
go with just the white collar, air quote educated voters

(23:42):
because they're losing those traditional voting blocks they've had in
the past.

Speaker 7 (23:47):
Yeah, No, I mean I think right now again that
I guess we'll see in the week how the polling looks.
I think the evidence is when you drill down to
it is still potentially a little bit next. I mean,
I like many analystsics you look back at twenty twenty
and twenty twenty two where we saw pulling this through
the different directions twenty twenty which really underestimated Republicans, with
twenty twenty two, which really underestimated Democrats, especially in these

(24:10):
majority maker swing state races. I do tend to think
that probably the Electric College popular votes but doesn't favor
Republicans as much as it has in passed elections in
part because of this political realignment that I mean, I
think we could still see you know, Harris and narrowly winning,
and especially these traditional blue wall states in Pennsylvania, Michigan,

(24:33):
and Wisconsin, states that are not quite as racially diverse,
and so we're weirdly the Dean polarization of American politics
and ethnicity might not actually help Republicans as much as
those because they're not as or of those diverse or
working class states. Like Nevada, So the interesting to see
how that happens. I think again it's right now she

(24:53):
doesn't seem to be struggling to retain some of those
working class voters. But I think it really comes down
to how much is he struggling to retain them, and
also how much is she's got to pick up some
of these colleges kid voters to compensate for that?

Speaker 4 (25:05):
Friend.

Speaker 1 (25:05):
How the strategy that her campaign seems to be employing
in the last few days of the election, they've been
doing it now for a couple of weeks. Is this
fixation on Donald Trump the bad man? I mean, you know,
you could start last week with the Times article about
John Kelly calling him a fascist, and she you know,
that's in the news cycle for a couple of days,
and then of course the Puerto Rican joke this weekend

(25:27):
at the big rally. I mean, this fixation that she
has on Trump and not talking about other issues, is
that going to hurt her in the long run, do
you think, Fred.

Speaker 7 (25:37):
Well, that's kind of the point there was very earlier
that this really is her trying to double down to
appeal to the hardcore progressive base and hoping that they'll
turn out in this election, because if you look at
poland that's been conducted, even by progressive outlets, they find
that the whole Donald Trump is a a essential threat
to American constitutional democracy does not move the needle that

(25:58):
much with working class voters much more interested in hearing
economic message, and you know, focusing this message at the
very end on Donald Trump and how bad he is,
that's basically leaving those odors and pushing them aside, saying
maybe you'll vote for maybe maybe you won't. But I'm
really trying to angle with the and pick up the
progressive base at the very end. So which is a

(26:18):
pretty risky political gamble.

Speaker 2 (26:21):
Okay, this is a I don't know if this will
make the final show. This question I have here grant Okay,
grand new bargain Okay, the grand new bargain of Trump
and his campaign message of the everyday Americans. Okay. Then
I really am fascinated by the Belmont Plus the Coming
Up Part book. I actually I read that a while ago,
and I know exactly what you're talking about. The Belmont Plus.

(26:44):
Do you see any connection with what you've described as
a kind of our landscape in this election? Is there
any connection to that with the Washington Post, the Los
Angeles Times, the USA Today, all of these major news
publications getting out of the endorsement game business. Actually, if
you read Bezos's editorial, he's saying, we've got to do
a hard reset here the podcast. Everyone's going to places,

(27:06):
not us, They're going outside. I would argue the Belmont
plus Demos, anything that you're writing, is that connected at
all to some of these major decisions that some of
the largest publications are making right now about not endorsing candidates.

Speaker 7 (27:22):
I think, arguably it could be. I think some people
in the media, like maybe Bezos, like the USA Today,
are realizing the media is facing an institutional crisis. I
think during especially during the Trump years, there was this
belief that, okay, I mean to refashion ourselves of these
truly anti Trump organs and pick up you know, these hardcore,
you know, anti Trump readers and forget about the middle

(27:47):
fifty percent of the country. And that I think in
the short term helped the blottom line of some of
these newspapers that increase their media organizations, that increase their revenue,
increase their subscriber base. Well, the long term, that's hurt
their credibility with the public at large, and I think
there is the real risk of having this kind of
media cocoon. That's, you know, we're this increasingly very narrow

(28:09):
message that we're preaching to our readers and they're preaching
among ourselves. And I think if you look at the
various controversies that have roiled newsrooms over the past a
few years, you see that maybe that's not the most
fun plate way to work. Maybe it's not the most
sustainable way to structured organization. And so I wonder if
you know, some of the media leaders are wondering, I
don't know, maybe we should try to recalibrate and try

(28:30):
to make the media environment more sustainable. Otherwise, as you say,
we'll risk losing some of these voters to these outsider
podcasts and newsletters and that sort of thing.

Speaker 2 (28:41):
I think you're exactly right, Fred Bauer, blogger, contributor of
The City Journal. I think we're seeing political shifts underneath
our feet in real time. Thank you for Thank you
for joining us on the show.

Speaker 1 (28:51):
All right, more coming up on the Rod on Greg Show.
Just a reminder, Greg, that's going to be fun a
week from last night. As a matter of fact. Coming
up on election eve, that is Monday, November fourth, six pm,
we're going to do our Rod and Gregg's Minute to
Win It. I now you used to be Rod's Minute
to Win it, but since you kind of joined in,
we have to include you in this.

Speaker 2 (29:12):
I know that's extra syllables and time and everything else,
but yes.

Speaker 1 (29:17):
It's awful. Yes. So how this works, Greg is if
you're a candidate and we don't care whatever office you're
running for, right or what your political party is, we
invite you to call into the show. We'll start it
at six pm on Monday night, and we'll give each
candidate that comes in, we ask you to, you know,
tell us who you are and what offense you're running for,
and we'll give you one minute to explain why you

(29:39):
think voters should vote for you. Free adverte.

Speaker 2 (29:41):
Have you ever had a bad one? Have you ever
had someone that you got to just cut off?

Speaker 1 (29:44):
Really?

Speaker 2 (29:44):
Because it's just a terrible minute?

Speaker 4 (29:46):
No?

Speaker 2 (29:46):
No, No, they will be good.

Speaker 1 (29:49):
They haven't been good, but we you know this this
is our.

Speaker 2 (29:54):
Democrats ever call this show?

Speaker 1 (29:56):
Yeah, I think we've had some.

Speaker 2 (29:57):
Do we have a boot button? Do we have a
boot button?

Speaker 1 (30:00):
This you can't.

Speaker 2 (30:01):
I can't opine.

Speaker 1 (30:02):
You can't opine. That's not that's not what this intended
to do.

Speaker 2 (30:07):
But Marry got it.

Speaker 1 (30:10):
Yeah, you'll get the more than sixty seconds.

Speaker 2 (30:14):
Well, I want something. I want to gong. Remember the
Gong Show. I want to gong. If it's just if
they just go down some crazy ride, I just want
to be able to gong.

Speaker 1 (30:20):
No, you can't do that. Open. Matter of fact, today
I sent out an email to the Republican Party and
the Democrat Party here in the state of Utah and said, hey,
this is happening. Let your candidates know if they want
to be on the show, and call early, because they
do start calling early.

Speaker 2 (30:35):
I can't wait. I really did. I really can't wait.
It's gonna be fun.

Speaker 1 (30:37):
It is fun. That's next Monday, six am. Rodding Bragg's
Minute to Win It. Are we too sensitive in America anymore?
We're talking about that.

Speaker 2 (30:48):
Perfect Did you hear that? That that sarcasm, that sarcasm,
that sarcastic way.

Speaker 1 (30:52):
I you offended? You offended me.

Speaker 2 (30:54):
That's the theme of this hour. Yeah, folks, if you
are easily offended, this will not be the hour for you.
I'm just gonna go ahead and put that out there
because we're going to talk about comedy. We're going to
talk about We're going to play some clips that were
made in humor and it doesn't then some of this
humor doesn't jive with everybody. But the bottom line of
this discussion this uh this hour, and we want your
calls and comments will be cant is does comedy live?

(31:18):
Can we have comedy? Can you have comedy? And can
you have is it anything funny anymore? We just going
to be outraged about everything. The way I frame that,
you can kind of tell where I want to go.
So I like being flippant. I like I like being sarcastic.
I like humor, and it can even be at my
own expense. My Queen Bee makes it always at my expense,

(31:39):
and she has some good ones I have. I think
I have self Yeah, I think I I think I
have self confidence with she know I think I have
self confidence. Queen Bee says, I'm self delusional. Okay, that's
the difference. Okay, So and I laugh because you know,
I still think I'm right, But I think that's funny.

Speaker 1 (31:56):
What was it? What was the old line when we
were growing up as kids? Sticks and stones may hurt me.

Speaker 2 (32:01):
No, stix and stares may break my bones. But yeah, so.

Speaker 1 (32:05):
Well anyway, has that gone out the way.

Speaker 2 (32:07):
But I'm telling you, if you're if you're someone that
can get easily offended, we're gonna we're gonna play some
of the jokes that have some have gotten you know,
clutched their pearls over. And we're going to talk about
comedy in life, comedy if in politics, that's our topic.

Speaker 1 (32:21):
Well, the left, by the way, uh, and what we're
talking about, of course, is a left losing its mind
over a joke told by a comedian at President Trump's
rally of Madison Square Garden over the weekend. They had
already gone over the edge, claiming just being at the
garden was somehow what a reenactment of Nazis.

Speaker 2 (32:39):
Yeah, they have fascism Nazi rally because they had an
event at Madison Square Garden that alone was was terrible.

Speaker 1 (32:46):
Well, this comedian joked, of course that Puerto Rico is
a floating island of garbage. Yeah. Now, this comedian goes
to roast. If you ever been to a roast, that's
what a roast is all about, right, you You just
roast people. You know, Don Rickles was the master of insults,
you know, and people loved Rickles. Don Rickles could not

(33:08):
survive in today's world. Now, I really don't think he'd
I mean, simply calling somebody a hockey puck, which he
used to do all the time, people would be offended.
They may be hockey fans, you know, calling somebody a
hockey puck may in fact offend somebody. Well this comedian,
of course, called a floating island of garbage. Now here's

(33:28):
what's interesting, Greg, Someone tweeted out today two stories. One
trying to get the source of these stories. But here
are the headlines in the story, Puerto Rico landfill problems
all you need to know. And they've had a picture of
a massive landfill in Puerto Rico right as someone else
pointed out, crash crisis leaves Puerto Rico near the brink

(33:51):
trash crisis. I mean, so you know, I mean, yeah,
they got a lot of garbage in Puerto Rico. And
this guy was just pointing this out. Yet, oh the left,
how dare you know? And now you've got the Puerto
Ricans and they're all calling on Trump that he shouldn't
win because of this.

Speaker 2 (34:06):
I mean, it's not the Puerto Ricans, the leftists that
we're going to vote for him in the first place.

Speaker 1 (34:10):
Puerto Rican Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean, this stuff justnin work.
But let's get to it. Then we want to get
your comments. The comment being a floating island of garbage.
This guy, like we said, goes to roast. So John Stewart,
who is not a friend of the right in any way,
but even defended the guy. Here's what he said on
his Comedy Central show last night about this comedian. What

(34:32):
he said, Now, as you mentioned, we're going to warn
you ahead of time votes, they're going to be clips
of this comedian at the Rose for who is it?
Tom Brady about a year ago, and.

Speaker 2 (34:41):
It was look, this is this is the first time
we've seen in years that you could actually be this
cutting and this you know, this kind of comedy, this
roasting kind of comedy and not be canceled. Yeah, because
no one was canceled in this roast, but this was
this one on Netflix special.

Speaker 1 (34:55):
Yeah, so listen to this. Just be aware. If you
don't want to be offended, you may not want to
listen to this. But here's Stewart basically backing up this comedian.

Speaker 12 (35:03):
Now obviously in retrospect, having a roast comedian come to
a political rally a week before election day and roasting
a key voting demographic probably not the best decision by
the campaign politically.

Speaker 2 (35:15):
But to be fair, the.

Speaker 12 (35:17):
Guy's really just doing what he does.

Speaker 13 (35:20):
I mean, here he is at the Tom Brady roast
a few months ago, the.

Speaker 14 (35:23):
Great Jeff Ross Ladies and gentlemen. Jeff is so Jewish
he only watches football for the coin toss. Dronk, you
look like the Nazi that kept burning himself on the ovens.
Kevin is so small that when his ancestors picked cotton
they called it deadlifting.

Speaker 2 (35:42):
Yes, yes, of.

Speaker 13 (35:43):
Course, terrible boo. Yes, there's something wrong with me. I
find that guy very fawnny. So I'm sorry, I don't
know what to tell you.

Speaker 12 (35:58):
I mean, bringing him to a rally and have him
not do roast jokes had to be like bringing Beyonce
to a rally.

Speaker 1 (36:03):
I'm not hell.

Speaker 2 (36:07):
Beyonce to that without doing the concert.

Speaker 1 (36:09):
Yeah. So that's John Stewart defending this comedian, said, look it,
he is a roast medium. You bring him to roast
everybody to really have fun with him, right, then jd
Vance was asked about this today and I thought he
gave a great response.

Speaker 9 (36:23):
Again, I haven't seen the joke. You know, maybe maybe
it's a stupid racist joke, as you said, maybe it's not.

Speaker 4 (36:30):
I haven't seen it.

Speaker 9 (36:31):
I'm not going to comment on the specifics of the joke,
but I think that we have to stop getting so
offended at every little thing in the.

Speaker 4 (36:37):
United States, in America. I'm just I'm so over it.

Speaker 1 (36:41):
Yeah, I think we're all over it, aren't we. Great,
I mean, Josh, stop being offended by every little thing
that it's mentioned out there.

Speaker 4 (36:47):
Well.

Speaker 2 (36:47):
And it used to be the case that if you
thought something was said in poor taste, that was it.
That was poor taste, and you moved on. It didn't
It didn't It didn't define everything, it didn't rule everything.
You didn't have to cancel everything. You didn't have to.
Now they take a this guy made these jokes. You
are like twenty people that spoke. But this is like
three hours before even Trump was on the stage, and

(37:09):
the media wants to define the entire because the fascist
and these and he's Hitler has gotten mocked enough that
they don't say that, but they want to define the
entire rally by this guy who roasts every everyone and everything.
That's the whole rally. It was. It was a part
of the rally where he where Trump wasn't even on board,
and everybody has a space to not like his humor.

(37:30):
That's what that's America. We don't have to like it,
but to try and now shape an entire outcome of
a campaign presidential campaign based on this guy's comments. See,
because remember we said the nice thing about Trump is
he doesn't give you sheet music or memo talking points
that you can't veer from and you have to speak on.
He has let people come to that stage and just
say what they want to say. And this guy is

(37:51):
a comedian that's been pretty edgy. So that is the
downside I guess to not having talking points at all,
that you might have a joke that people might not like.
But honestly, as JD. Van said, can we stop with
you know, we're so unbelievably offended and so pious that
nobody's worth a thing if I hear something that I
think is importaste or I didn't laugh, yeah, give me

(38:12):
a well.

Speaker 1 (38:13):
And I wonder Greg in the workplace hanging around to friends,
have you had to kind of curtail what you would
have said in the past because you're so afraid anymore
you may offend somebody. I wonder how many of our
listeners out there have said, I can't say that anymore.
You know, we've been told in the office, we can't
do that, or on the work site hanging around we're friends,

(38:33):
we can't start having this banner that we like, this
banter that we like. You can't do it anymore.

Speaker 2 (38:39):
Yeah, no, there is some truth to that. Is the
truth that, Oh yes, there's truth to that. I've when
I was in my last sessions in the in the house,
we were in this h you know me too movement,
we were in the cancel culture, and I told our
cock is male female. Like I just said, Look, we're
not We're not hugging, We're not we're not embracing anymore.
We're not commenting on each other's looks in our clothes

(39:00):
and our hair and our or nothing. We're just gonna
just we're just gonna abandon all of that because where
those lines are depend on the person hearing it or
saying it. And I'm just going to tell you we're
just not making physical contact inside this body anymore. We're
not even no high you know, we're just not doing it.

Speaker 1 (39:16):
And we're you allow high fives.

Speaker 2 (39:19):
If someone offered it, you could maybe return it. But
for the most part we were we were just going
into the no touch policy, don't comment on each other's appearance.
Just let's just just leave it all. We can't do
it anymore. And you know, because we you know, it's
it was that kind of time. You just can't do it.
I still if I see someone and they look great,
I don't know that I want to mention it. I'm

(39:41):
just like you know, I just it's not even worth it.
I mean, if you see I'm talking, if a guy
looks great too, I'm not in the most heav way.

Speaker 1 (39:49):
Wear wearing a knife suit or a knife tie, or
a woman dressed well, and you want to say, hey,
you look great today, you can't say that anything.

Speaker 2 (39:56):
You can't give it. You can't you can't hand that compliment.
It's this, are we better talking?

Speaker 1 (40:01):
And we don't do this anymore?

Speaker 2 (40:02):
Not at all.

Speaker 1 (40:03):
I don't think we are either. I mean, and I've
talked about this on the show Proborly to women. Don't
understand Greg, what you and I do each other again
because we you know, we give each other a lot
of craft. Yeah, to be honest, right, I probably give
you more you give me you deserved.

Speaker 2 (40:18):
Well, I it's water off a ducks back. I can't
even think what you could possibly say about me that
would be rude. But I do call you old as dirt,
so I you know, I do say that. You know
you've been doing this for one hundred years.

Speaker 1 (40:28):
See, women don't understand that, because I've had people come up.
My wife will say, sometimes you're being mean to Greg.

Speaker 2 (40:34):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (40:35):
I'm not. No, I'm not.

Speaker 2 (40:38):
My sister and my wife both cheer you on.

Speaker 1 (40:41):
Yeah, she agreed. Well, they agree with me, yes, because
they know I'm right when it comes to going after you.
But see, I don't there is I don't know where
this came from, but there is a segment of this
population anymore in this world that thinks that think you
and I having fun with each other is offensive? Yeah,
this time, and it's inappropriate. Nope, you know what it's like.

(41:03):
And now this is if you go to the if
you go to the what was it Lauren Green Wild?

Speaker 2 (41:08):
What is it called? Mutual of Omaha's Wild King. I
used to watch some Sunday night kid. Right, you'd see these,
you'd see these you go at the Safaris or whatever,
and you'd see this lion and he's batting around the cub. Right,
there's no hate in the heart of the lion his cub.
He's batting them. And it's hard. Right, this is aggression
and in wrestling with love, and there's no meanness or

(41:30):
anger to it. But it's it's but it's it's a
it's aggression, right, it's but they're learning how to do
these things. The dad's kind of rough housing with the
cubs and everything else. And and it's it's learning that
type of conduct without having to be born out of
hate and anger. And you can only do it if
you're mad and you want to harm someone deeply. I mean,
there's there is playful batting each other around. Does that

(41:53):
make sense?

Speaker 4 (41:54):
Yeah? It does.

Speaker 2 (41:54):
Yeah, well really.

Speaker 1 (41:57):
There's a way to do that. But you can't even
do that anymore. You have to be careful of what
you say.

Speaker 2 (42:02):
I will never be careful with my childhood friend d Well.
I will always I tell him, yeah, and you do
tell him the truth.

Speaker 7 (42:09):
I do.

Speaker 2 (42:09):
I will tell you.

Speaker 1 (42:10):
Truth, but I want to hear from our listeners today.
Why have we become so sensitive? And do you I'm
referring to our to our listeners, right, do you find
yourself having to almost govern yourself?

Speaker 4 (42:20):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (42:20):
I want to say that better or not it may
offend somebody. I mean, what's wrong with us?

Speaker 2 (42:25):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (42:26):
I don't get it eight eight eight five seven eight
zero one zero triple eight five seven o eight zero
one zero, or on your cell phone just dial pound
two fifty and say hey Rod. Why are we so
easily offended? What has happened to us? Eight eight eight
five seven o eight zero one zero, or on your
cell phone dial pound two fifty and say hey Ron.

Speaker 2 (42:44):
The theme of this hour is comedy and politics Do
they mix? Are we offended? Democrats think the entire Nazi
Madison Square Garden event was destroyed by one comedian who
roasts and likes to criticize people and things the way.

Speaker 1 (43:01):
Stop stop that you're looking at me. Funny you're you?

Speaker 2 (43:03):
Yeah, well you're you're one of the time examples of
comedy or cutting and roasting somebody that's you. You do
so well. Now we want to hear from you the
listeners eight eight eight five seven zero eight zero one
zero is the number to call to talk about this issue.
But let's go to our great callers who are on
the line, and let's start with Fernando from American Fork. Fernando,

(43:24):
welcome to the Rod and Greg Show. Thank you for
calling in. What say you, sir?

Speaker 3 (43:32):
Can you hear me?

Speaker 7 (43:32):
Okay?

Speaker 1 (43:33):
Yes, we can go ahead?

Speaker 3 (43:36):
Okay, No, I'm saying I am Puerto Rico, was born
and raised from Puerto Rico. But I have been here
in Utah for the last thirty years. I am a
report Vickan. And even though with that guy you offend
it everybody in Puerto Rico, that's not going to switch
me from voting for Donna Trump. I wasnt Trump, but

(43:56):
this guy, well he did. It's not a joke for us.
Not a joke you call those trush. You call an
island thrush. Pto Rico is a beauriful island with very
good people, and they care about this guy whatever he
thinks he did. Thinking that he was funny, it's.

Speaker 2 (44:15):
Not fun Fernandez. You know, I like your I like
your take. It doesn't it doesn't ultimately persuade you to
vote against Donald Trump. You don't find it a joke,
and that's and that's well you're Puerto Rican, that's well
within your right. Let me ask you, do you think though,
that the people trying to define the president and that
Madison Square Garden event by that comedian's comments. Do you

(44:39):
think that will that that that plays with people, you
think that that will be persuasive?

Speaker 3 (44:45):
Well, something that we people need to know is that
the majority of Puerto Ricans, exactly from the island and
those in New York, they're all Democrats. They're Democrats. We
just gave them more. We just gave them more, Ammunich
to believe that Republicans are all okay, soation to that point, Yeah,

(45:09):
I am interesting.

Speaker 1 (45:11):
I mean, he was bothered by it, but he it
does mean he's not going to vote for.

Speaker 2 (45:15):
Because Republic And I said that too. Look, you people
can think a joke is in poor taste, but you
take it as the joke that's importation. You don't broad
brush an entire rally across that comment.

Speaker 1 (45:28):
Say, everybody at that rally.

Speaker 2 (45:30):
Was Remember the one thing that's been always sad about
him is he never gave people talking points and said
you have to say these things. He lets people get
up to the stage and talks.

Speaker 1 (45:37):
And they did. All right, let's go to Mike and
Harriman tonight here on the Roden Greg Show. Mike, how
are you? Thanks for joining us?

Speaker 5 (45:44):
Thank you, I'm doing great. Hey, I I have maybe
a different take on it. I I am. I own
a small business. We're a service provider for a multi
national company, and we're in buildings all day long, and
we're just we dirty mechanics, right, make jokes, im portaste
to each other constantly. As soon as a customer walks around.

(46:08):
You wouldn't catch us breathing, let alone talking to somebody.
We're just because it's gotten people kicked out. I know
other companies that have been kicked out of buildings because
of it. And everybody thinks their feelings are more important
than somebody's career or well be so we just as
a as a company, we just we wouldn't be caught

(46:30):
dead making jokes in front of a customer, even though
as soon as they're not around, we're making jokes.

Speaker 1 (46:37):
Are you concerned, though, Mike, that one of your employees
may be offended by joking around? I don't care, Okay,
I don't care. All right, Mike, thank you, let's go
to another caller, Greg, how.

Speaker 2 (46:50):
About Robert and Sandy? Robert, thank you for joining the
Ronn and Greg Show.

Speaker 7 (46:57):
Good afternoon, guys.

Speaker 15 (46:58):
I'm a school teacher. I'm the only and teacher in
my school. It's great and it's not uncommon. So, but
what I find is, as a guy, I joke around
with my students quite a bit, especially the boys, and
they enjoy that.

Speaker 12 (47:12):
That's something that we.

Speaker 15 (47:13):
Guys tend to do. I'm not saying that women don't
do it, but it's definitely a purview of what guys do.

Speaker 7 (47:18):
And I think.

Speaker 15 (47:18):
Because we have so few men in education going up,
I don't think that. I think what happens is is
the sensitivity sometimes that you get from women educators tends
to drift down to the students, and as they get older,
they never quite learn how to use sarcasm and how
to kind of, you know, jest with one another.

Speaker 5 (47:39):
It's a lost art.

Speaker 15 (47:40):
And they're not learning it. And I don't know that
they're getting at home either, And then they get older and.

Speaker 7 (47:44):
It's easy to be offended.

Speaker 4 (47:46):
You know.

Speaker 15 (47:47):
When I was growing up, we had a movie like
Blazing Saddles.

Speaker 7 (47:51):
Never do a movie like Blazing saddles at all ever.

Speaker 15 (47:56):
I mean, young frank.

Speaker 5 (47:57):
Is made fun.

Speaker 7 (48:00):
We used to make a laugh at ourselves.

Speaker 8 (48:03):
That's God.

Speaker 15 (48:03):
And I think a lot of it comes from our
education system where we just we.

Speaker 1 (48:09):
Oh, yeah, we lost Robert, but he's right. And I
think this goes this goes back to what I said earlier. Greg.
There are people in the in the world who don't
understand how men bond with each other sometimes, and it's
when they make fun of each other and they joke
with each other. My wife will know in a minute.
She goes, you like him, don't you? And I said,
what do you mean I like him?

Speaker 4 (48:28):
How do you know?

Speaker 1 (48:29):
She says, because you started joking with him almost right away,
and you like that guy.

Speaker 7 (48:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (48:34):
And look, and I'm going to tell you that we
can't lose humor. I mean you've got to be able
to laugh. And so I think that we're getting that
movement and I think we're going to be Look, folks,
eight eight eight five seven zero eight zero one zero,
if you'd like to call and talk about this, we are.
My case is, you can't lose comedy. You have to
be able to you have to be able to take it,
enjoy it, say it. But if it's import taste, it's

(48:56):
importaste too. But it doesn't mean we cancel out everything
around it done because of it.

Speaker 1 (49:00):
Yeah, all right, a lot of people want to weigh
in on this. We'll get you a news updates, So
hang on the line. We'll come back with your comments
on the Rodden Gregg Show in Utah's Talk Radio one
oh five nine. Hey nrs.

Speaker 2 (49:10):
Yeah, they're humorless.

Speaker 1 (49:11):
They're humorless, that's the term you be.

Speaker 2 (49:13):
And by the way, they depend on us to be
uptight enough that they can get away with anything, and
we'll be just too prim and proper to ever bring
it up, and we'll just never Oh, we're so sorry
that someone said something wrong, and we just we'll just
be gasping. No, call it out. We're gonna make it.
We're gonna make fun of it. We're gonna find the
irony and things. That's that's part of the I think

(49:33):
that's part of the conversation.

Speaker 1 (49:34):
We're taking your phone calls right now. Have we become
or are we too sensitive in this country anymore? And
what on earth has happened to us? Five seven eight
zero one zero or on your cell phone dial pound
two fifty and say, hey, Rod.

Speaker 2 (49:47):
Let's go back to the phones and our smart, smart callers.
Let's go to Sean and West Haven, Sewan. Thank you
for holding and welcome to the Roden Gregg Show.

Speaker 6 (49:56):
Hi, gentlemen, thank you so much for taking the call.

Speaker 2 (50:00):
What's say you sir?

Speaker 7 (50:01):
Get here quick question?

Speaker 6 (50:03):
I mean, so you're you're before the first break, you asked,
why have we gotten it this way?

Speaker 1 (50:09):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (50:10):
And I honestly say, we allowed it. We let it happen.
And I'm not greg, I'm not gonna knock you. But
when you know when you said you walked into the
your committees or the council and said, hey, guys, we're
not gonna We're not gonna, you know, shake hands. We're
not gonna comment on people's looks anymore. We're not You

(50:31):
know when when we when we started that and allowed
it to happen, is it was it was that that
snowball effect that a cape kept going and kept going
and kept going. In us as leaders, we we we
kind of allowed it to happen because we're afraid. We're
afraid of hr We're afraid of your constituents, you know,
kind of thinking that you're you're taking it too far.

(50:53):
And uh, you know when we allowed when we language
to change. Uh, you know when they're when they're trying
to change the language, when they're knowing, you know, trying
to be offended by jokes. That's where I think we
started having that slippery slope of getting too soft, because we,
as the parents, as the leaders of businesses, as as
the leaders in Congress, have really kind of let that happen.

Speaker 2 (51:15):
A Shawn, I, you know what, fair enough? I agree,
I do. I think you're right. I think that I
played into it a little bit when I started talking
to like that we start, I started to allow that
language to change. But there's sharks out there in politics too,
and I was trying to make a good decision. But
I don't disagree. Rod was Shawn's assessment there.

Speaker 1 (51:31):
I don't want you to be offended, but he was right.

Speaker 2 (51:33):
Yes, and I am not offended.

Speaker 1 (51:35):
All right. Let's go back to the phones. David's in
Salt Lake City tonight. David, how are you? Thanks for
joining us?

Speaker 7 (51:42):
Hey, how are you doing?

Speaker 16 (51:43):
I think it's rich that liberals are offended by this
joke when every night on Saturday Night Live and John
Oliver in the late night shows they talk about Christians
and white males, and nobody's ever offended by that.

Speaker 1 (51:58):
Yeah, it's not interesting.

Speaker 2 (51:59):
Absolute. Yeah, what about the Book of Mormon the musical? Well,
I guess that's all. That's all that and giggles. No
one's supposed to be offended, all right, David, thank you
for your phone goal. Okay, let's go to Richard and Springville. Richard,
thank you for holding, thank you for calling. What say you, sir?

Speaker 8 (52:17):
Well, Uh, it's a kind of a tough one here.
I was kind of bothered yesterday when you played that
clip of that that was as an ad that one
dude that was, you know, enjoying himself and much pornography.

Speaker 2 (52:36):
Yeah, yeah, that clip. Yeah, I was kind of me.

Speaker 8 (52:42):
I was buying my car by myself. But you know,
Rush Limbaugh would give a warning when he would play
such you know, things that were sent to He would say,
you know, turn off your radio for if you have
children under sixteen or something, and and and you guys, well, well,

(53:04):
I mean for future reference. You may want to do
that to give a warning if something is kind of
racy like that. I mean, like I said, if it
was my wife and a car, I would have I
would have hit the mute button or something.

Speaker 2 (53:16):
I mean, it was a terrible look. It was a
you're right, it was a terrible commercial and poor taste.

Speaker 7 (53:24):
It.

Speaker 1 (53:24):
Yeah, should we come maybe put a little warning on it. Sure,
But I made the decision to air it because I
think I wanted to show and let our listeners hear
how low the Democratic Party is going right now in
this campaign. And I've never seen an aid like that.
It shocked me as well, but I said, the only
way to really tell people is to let them hear it.

(53:46):
And we didn't use the M word. We called it
like you did, a young man pleasuring himself. But I
think people need to be aware as to what the
Democrats are trying to do in this very tight race.
And that's why I said, let's run it.

Speaker 2 (53:59):
Yeah, and look, I Richard, I thank you for the call.
I I look, I think that you got to preface
those things with hey, we're going to play something that's
for adults that you're gonna hear. But I do I
do think that they get away. This is how they
get away with these books that have no place in
libraries and schools because no one will read them in
a public hearing. Nobody will actually read the pages, but
if you heard it, you would know instantly that you

(54:19):
would not even believe this is a book that a
child would have access to. So we do play some
of those things to show their vulgarity or their their
their absurdity. And but but a little a little preface
aeut of time.

Speaker 1 (54:31):
Well in Richard today, as we aired the SoundBite from
that comedian who's getting so much, uh so much criticism
for his comment about Puerto Rico, we warned people ahead
of time.

Speaker 2 (54:42):
Yeah, we did.

Speaker 1 (54:42):
You're gonna hear some offensive stuff in this, Richard, thank you.
Any other thoughts on this, Richard? Does that explain it?

Speaker 9 (54:49):
Oh?

Speaker 8 (54:49):
Yes, that's that's very good. I know that doctor Laura
Slushinger she got kicked off the air for using the
N word, uh several times over Yeah, and so yeah,
it's very sensitive.

Speaker 7 (55:04):
Yeah, it's uh.

Speaker 8 (55:06):
In my workplace, we had a policy we didn't discuss religion, sex,
uh see politics, religion, sex or gossip. And and there
was there was no day it was we so so

(55:27):
we had a really I mean that's that's that made
everything very smooth and and in the workplace. So that's
that's another.

Speaker 7 (55:38):
All right, thank you very much.

Speaker 1 (55:42):
All right in Springville. All right, more of your calls
and comments coming up right here on the Rotten Greg
Show and Utah's Talk Radio one O five nine K
and R S. Let's go back to the goals.

Speaker 2 (55:52):
Yeah, let's go to Carol and Lighton. Who's been patiently waiting. Carol,
welcome to the Rotten Greg Show. What do you think
about all this? Do we can we be funny? Or
is it not funny?

Speaker 17 (56:03):
Well, my comment's a little bit different than that.

Speaker 7 (56:06):
Back.

Speaker 17 (56:06):
First off, yes, please be funny. I think this show
has been induced greatly.

Speaker 7 (56:11):
By the two of you and your interactions.

Speaker 17 (56:17):
But my comment was referring to being offended and how
the news media has covered the Madison Square event. So
I'm listening to local news.

Speaker 16 (56:29):
I was so.

Speaker 17 (56:31):
Frustrated because it's national news they're supposed to be covering,
and the only thing they covered from the Madison Square
Garden event was just the bad humor that they felt
was coming from the comedian. There were many other speakers.
If you're wanting to cover news, national news, it seems

(56:52):
to me like you ought to be covering something else then,
besides what the comedian said and So that's.

Speaker 7 (56:57):
Where I get off.

Speaker 17 (56:59):
If you're want to cover the personal interest story, okay,
cover their cover him. But if you're if it's national news,
it seems like you have to be covering something a
little more impactful and has more interest to the general
public than what a comedian said.

Speaker 1 (57:15):
That's so yeah, I'm with you on that. Carol, thank
you very much for I mean, you didn't hear well,
you heard about the crowd, but they said the crowd
is Nazi like because but they didn't. I don't recall
any of the news media when they were talking about
the concerns that Hillary Clinton exppressed. She never mentioned that

(57:37):
the Democratic Party has held many of their national political
conventions at Madison Square Garden, including John F. Kennedy and
Jimmy Carter. Now I don't know about you, Greg, but
it'd be a real stretch to describe John Kennedy, John F.
Kennedy and Jimmy Carter as Nazis, I mean.

Speaker 2 (57:57):
Narrative. And to Carol's point, this I've not heard anywhere
in the news. When Donald Trump, you know who the
rallies for, finally spoke, he said these really inspiring words.
He said, we stand on the verge of the four
greatest years in the history of our country. We bleed
the same blood, we share the same home, and we
salute the same American flag. We are one people, one family,

(58:19):
one glorious nation under God. We will never give in,
will never give up, we will never back down, and
we will never ever surrender. Where are those words and
talking about that?

Speaker 1 (58:29):
Because didn't hear it?

Speaker 2 (58:31):
Because shut those words from the president former president at
that rally. That should be what's echoing around this country
right now, because that's the heart and soul of what
that whole rally was about.

Speaker 1 (58:41):
Well, look at the democratic situation. They have tried greg
just about everything. But they cannot run on Kamala's record
when it comes to the economy, They cannot run on
her record when it comes to immigration. They have nothing
to run on except attack Donald Trump. Attack, attack, attack. Right,
she's even doing it right now, She's on the ellipse
in Washington, d C. What is her message to the

(59:03):
American people. You should fear Donald Trump about the issues.
You should fear Donald Trump. Yeah, we're back to that,
you know.

Speaker 2 (59:12):
And even Democrats fear Trump, vote against Trump.

Speaker 4 (59:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (59:15):
Even there are some Democratic operatives who are saying Kamala,
that message is not working. You know what, It's just
ear candy to the American people. They pay no attention
to it anymore. No, they don't, They don't care. And
most of the people. You know what, there was a
study out today and I sorry, I haven't got in
front of me right now, Greg, that a growing number
of the American people has passed the majority, a simple majority.

(59:39):
Now think that Donald Trump had every right to challenge
the results of the twenty twenty election. You don't say
every right, of course. We have eyes in our heads,
we have ears. We know what we saw, we know
what we've seen questioning. Let me ask you this. Joe
Rogan brought this up. Do we think it's zero percent

(59:59):
and an election fraud?

Speaker 2 (01:00:01):
Do we think it? No election fraud has ever occurred.
It's at zero percent, And if it's north of zero percent,
then we ought to be able to talk about it.

Speaker 1 (01:00:08):
Huh.

Speaker 2 (01:00:08):
We should be able to bring up the topic. It
shouldn't be too taboo. It never is for Democrats to
talk about So yeah, I well, Greg.

Speaker 1 (01:00:16):
Let's go here. I mean, even in our own state
of Utah, anybody who raises questions about election integrity is
immediately criticized what she called them domestic vigilantings.

Speaker 2 (01:00:27):
Domestic vigilant I'm.

Speaker 1 (01:00:28):
Talking about Lieutenant Governor Dietro Henderson, you know, and she
oversees elections in this state. But apparently you can't raise
any questions about election integrity or you'll be attacked by
the Lieutenant governor and every Utah out there listening right now.
If you have a question, raise the question. Absolutely afraid
to do so.

Speaker 2 (01:00:48):
There's no yeah, this open dialogue. We have to be
able to ask the questions. We have to be able
to hold people. Look all of that, it's all appropriate.
And anybody is trying to shame you out of a
conversation instead of having that conversation with you, pay attention
to who they are and ask yourself why are they?
Because I promise you I never went into the job
of public service thinking I'm right one hundred percent of

(01:01:08):
the time. And I was willing to meet with any group.
But if I want to run from hide avoid a group,
well that that wouldn't speak well of me or my
intentions if that was the case, which it wasn't.

Speaker 1 (01:01:19):
You know, and you even have the media in this
town who are going after phil Lymon. Phil Lymon, I
think had some legitimate complaints to raise and raise questions about.
But how does the media treat them? No, it's some
whack job.

Speaker 2 (01:01:30):
Well he said he had issues about the signatures. When
the audit came out, guess what, there were issues with
the signatures. I mean he wasn't wrong, No, and yet
you know anyway, So yes, I think that these are conversations.
You better be able to have people want to take
offense where there's none meant. And when you find people
that are like that and they want to be there's
no humor, there's no you can't ask a question. Everything

(01:01:52):
is if if you have an opinion different than theirs,
you suffer from a moral failing or an intellectual failing.
That's when you know the fixes.

Speaker 1 (01:01:58):
In all right, hour number three of the Rod and
Greg Show, coming your way after a news update with
Jason at the top of the hour, stay with us
another hour on you instigation.

Speaker 2 (01:02:16):
I'm just seeing some things come across the wire here
where they're just trying to im when we have a
great interview coming up and it's going to set the tone,
it'll set up perfectly the segment I'd like to explore afterwards,
and that is some of these polls that are coming
in on these swing states. I'm going to share with
you some on the ground movement that may contradict contradict

(01:02:38):
the polls that's going on and what the media is
trying to describe is going on. And that's why this
interview that we're going to do right now with Tim Graham.
He's the editor of NewsBusters and they did you know,
the Media Research Center has looked extensively at the coverage
in this presidential race of President Trump, former President Trump,
and Vice President Kamala Harris and her campaign and it

(01:03:01):
is actually, if you can believe it, unprecedented what's happening
right now.

Speaker 1 (01:03:05):
Eighty five percent negative coverage for Donald Trump, seventy eight
percent positive coverage for Kamala Harris. Tim, thanks for joining
us tonight. I want to start off nothing out there, really,
Tim is fair about the coverage that Donald Trump is
getting right now.

Speaker 10 (01:03:19):
Right, No, And it's kind of funny. I mean, we've
been studying coverage of Donald Trump for many years now,
and so the evening news coverage since July has been
eighty five percent negative. And that's actually it usually averages
about ninety percent. The surprise here is that coverage of
Kamala Harris is seventy eight percent positive. I mean, it's

(01:03:41):
it's above and beyond what Barack Obama got, and they,
you know, it suggests that they believe that Kamala Harris
needs their boosterism. She is doing badly and needs their help.

Speaker 7 (01:03:56):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:03:56):
I So I was talking to my wife this morning
about this, and I said, I think you know when
you see because I was talking about these startling percentages.
I mean, it's and you're right, they've just they've jumped
the shark on this. They've gone positive for her in
ways no one's ever seen in any of these media
outlets ever do for a candidate, and then encountered that
with worse negative coverage of Trump. And it's not been

(01:04:18):
that way, but I'll tell you that the media is
incredibly even though so many people you can't have a
viable candidate like Trump and think that the media has
much influence if he's doing so well, given how much
how unfair the coverage has been. However, the only people
that should be honestly supporting Kamala Harris is anyone who
hasn't been detrimentally impacted by the Biden Harris administration, which

(01:04:43):
I would argue would have to be your most elite
or wealthy, and that would be five percent or less
of the population. So I said to my way, if
she's getting more than five percent of the vote, somebody's
selling the rest of the people that are voting for
her a bill of goods, which is the media. So
I do think they have this positive influence for or
Kamala Harrison the Democrats. My question, I guess, my belabored

(01:05:03):
question is is that going to go away almost completely
and entirely if Trump wins because after their their unprecedented
best effort, the people saw it, clearly saw through it.

Speaker 10 (01:05:18):
I think it's quite easy to suggest, since he's averaged
ninety percent negative coverage for years and years, that if
he wins election that will continue. I think there's going
to be great bitterness if Trump wins because despite all
of this blatant favoritism, it didn't work. They're going to

(01:05:38):
be upset that their influence isn't isn't going to win
the day. But obviously, yes, it's at this point everybody
can look at their own you know, grocery store trip
and say.

Speaker 4 (01:05:52):
Why, why do why do.

Speaker 10 (01:05:54):
We think we need more of that?

Speaker 2 (01:05:56):
Exactly?

Speaker 10 (01:05:56):
But the news media make excuses.

Speaker 1 (01:05:59):
Tim How you go about determining this? Do you look
at the words used in a story, the slant they're
giving to who they're talking to in their coverage. How
do you go about determining if it's a pro Trump
or a pro HAIRI story? How do you do that?

Speaker 4 (01:06:14):
Well?

Speaker 10 (01:06:15):
A lot of them are obvious, but some of them
are more judgment calls. I think the important thing that
we should note the asterisk on this is when they
do these numbers, they do not count what the politicians
themselves say. So Donald Trump attacking Kamala's doesn't count, and
Kamala attacking Donald Trump doesn't count because the viewer understands

(01:06:37):
what that is, that's the two candidates running against each other.

Speaker 1 (01:06:40):
Ye.

Speaker 10 (01:06:41):
But what they're counting is evaluations by the reporters themselves,
by their experts, by the voters, the men and women
on the street, people who the average viewer are going
to consider to be more influential. And so some of
these I guess would you would say, well, is this
pro Trump for anti Trump? I think most of the

(01:07:01):
time it's really quite obvious what it is. But I mean,
I think even them just being excited at the idea
of having a female president, it's that sort of thing
that's a positive for Harris. So many of the positive
Hairt's statements were not about her policies. As you know,
she's been very reluctant to say she has any.

Speaker 1 (01:07:23):
Tim how about do you take into account as well
the amount of time devoted to each campaign. Does that
play into it at all?

Speaker 4 (01:07:30):
Tim?

Speaker 10 (01:07:32):
Well, yeah, I mean we've noticed that the amount of
coverage of Trump and Harris was fairly equal in minutes.
From July twenty one to September ten, the number of
minutes was fairly equal. But since September ten there's quite
a bit more coverage of Trump, and I think again
that suggests that they think he's the problem. He's the scandal.

(01:07:55):
Everything he says is objectionable, you know, so many of
his negative evalue are He said, they're eating the dogs,
you know, he said, you know, the cats, and they
go and they go on for five days, you know,
and they this is what they're doing now with the
Madison Square Garden speech, where they're actually going on for

(01:08:17):
for days on end.

Speaker 2 (01:08:20):
Let me Tim let me ask you this, what what
is your take and how do you read the decisions
of the Washington Post, Los Angeles Times in USA today
to no longer or not right now endorse any candidate
for president. This is a shift, and it's come with
a lot of weeping and whaling within those newsrooms. What
what's behind that?

Speaker 4 (01:08:41):
I don't know, but I think it's hilarious.

Speaker 2 (01:08:45):
Me too. I'm enjoying it. That's why I'm asking because
I think it's as well. It's a great refiners fire.
They're all quitting. It's like good.

Speaker 10 (01:08:52):
So yeah, I mean it's sort of like nobody has
any doubt what the Washington Post is. I mean, this
to me is like McDonald saying we can't endorse Hamburgers.
We know what they're making. You know what are they
making or cooking on a daily basis. It's a Democrat menu.

(01:09:14):
So to suddenly say, well, we can't possibly say you
should vote for her when you know the slogan on
the front of the newspaper says Trump's going to kill democracy.

Speaker 1 (01:09:25):
I love Jim Graham, He's a good guy from the NRC.
Taking a look at the amount of coverage positive or
negative that Donald Trump and Kamala Harris are getting right,
eighty five percent negative news on Donald Trump and seventy
eight percent positive news on Kamala Harris. Pretty amazing.

Speaker 2 (01:09:42):
They had such higher negative reporting of Hillary Clinton, more
negative coverage of Barack Obama. Yeah, a lot higher than
they are with Kamala Harris. It's nothing but positive about her.
And yet with all of that, I'm telling you that
we're gonna get into the net after this break into

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the next one. But it's trending Trump's way.

Speaker 7 (01:10:05):
He is.

Speaker 2 (01:10:06):
He is the winning candidate right now, in spite of
the media's best effort to stop him and his momentum.

Speaker 1 (01:10:12):
You know, I wonder if there's an undercurrent, Greg and
all these media outlets kind of in a weird way,
pulling for Donald Trump to win. Can I Can I
tell you why?

Speaker 2 (01:10:21):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:10:22):
They never had high ratings or sold more books or
had more articles written about Donald Trump than when he
was in office. So you think they're salivating just a
little bit, win, baby, win, because man, do we have
fun with you?

Speaker 4 (01:10:35):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (01:10:35):
I think you're right, and I think that they got
they got a lot of people thought that that he
won in sixteen because of that issue and so the
media took up you know, they just got their knuckles
wrapped for even you know, giving them the time of day.
And I think they've been trying to make up for
that ever since sixteen, and boy they have they have
made up for it.

Speaker 1 (01:10:54):
Well, you've got you've got you've got three publications now, Greg,
You've got you've got The Washington Post, the LA Times,
and Today USA Today, which is a very liberal outlet,
media outlet, all indicating we are not endoorsing. So you know,
if you're if you're Kama Harris, doesn't that make you
feel maybe a little bad?

Speaker 2 (01:11:16):
You should?

Speaker 1 (01:11:17):
I wouldn't you?

Speaker 2 (01:11:18):
Well, you have people, the rats are jumping off the ship.
I mean and I and again, I'm going to go
back to I've got some news of things that happened
today that that tell you more about this race than
anything you're going to hear from the mainstream media. And
it's and it's in the paper. I mean, it's been reported,
but nobody's covering it. I'm covering it, and I'm going
to tell you it's going to tell you where this

(01:11:39):
race really is. And it's in spite of all the
media's best efforts to tell you otherwise.

Speaker 1 (01:11:44):
And we'll tell you all about it coming up right
here on the Rod and Greg Show and Utah's Talk
Radio one oh five nine. Canterrests Freddie Freeman has hit
a home run in all four.

Speaker 2 (01:11:53):
I think he's up to I think, he said, I
think he's had fifty home runs in one in one
World Series instead of a season. He every time I
turn around the.

Speaker 1 (01:12:00):
Home run, I mean already they're up to nothing.

Speaker 2 (01:12:03):
On the Yank the team you love to hate, except
for Rod.

Speaker 1 (01:12:07):
Because you know, I will admit, it's one of the
best team's money can buy.

Speaker 2 (01:12:11):
Yeah, see see an elitist.

Speaker 1 (01:12:13):
I get that. I do get it.

Speaker 2 (01:12:16):
You're the sports version of the Democrats. You're the elitist.
You're the elitist looking down at the rest of us.

Speaker 1 (01:12:22):
Thank you for that compliment. I really appreciate it.

Speaker 4 (01:12:25):
All right.

Speaker 1 (01:12:25):
It is the Roddy Greg Show here on Utah's Talk
Radio one oh five nine k n RS. Interesting comment yesterday,
Greg and a podcast when Vice President Kamala Harris says
lead pollster by the name of David Binder or Binder
said on a podcast that high turnout is no longer
great a good indicator for Democrats. As it has been

(01:12:47):
in the past. That's what he had to say.

Speaker 7 (01:12:48):
You know, it may need that in this election, a
higher turnout does not necessarily mean good things for the Democrats.

Speaker 1 (01:12:54):
And it may be that some of.

Speaker 6 (01:12:55):
The some of the people who are leading Trump end
up staying home themselves.

Speaker 1 (01:13:01):
That's why, that's why it's such question mark right now.
The whole game comes out to turnout.

Speaker 16 (01:13:06):
In the turnout skew could go either direction.

Speaker 1 (01:13:11):
Interesting, the turnout skew, which typically would have gone in
the democrats favor, he's not saying, could go in either direction.

Speaker 2 (01:13:18):
Well, well, that segues perfectly into the news that I'd
like to report to our listeners. And I'm going to
read the headline, which I love. The headline is Democrat
Kamala Harris surrenders in North Carolina withdraws nearly two million
and planned ad spend for the state for this last week. Now,
why have they taken almost two million dollars of television
ads out of North Carolina? Now this is confusing because

(01:13:41):
I just looked. I wanted to see the latest polling
update on North Carolina because everything's been looking like it's
been nip and tuck. Forbes magazine reported two day. This
is seven hours ago. The North Carolina Trump is up
fifty percent to forty eight in the Marist pole, which
is within their three point six margin of Error's saying, look,
we have a margin of era, and he's up in

(01:14:02):
an amount that's lower than our margin of era, So
it's anyone's game. Fifty to forty eight in the Emerson
poll which was released, which is also within the three
point margin of error, forty nine point six to forty
eight point five in Bloomberg's poll, again within the margin
of er, and in five point thirty eight has it
a one point two percent difference? If it was that close,

(01:14:26):
you wouldn't take out one point, you know, one point
seven almost two million dollars of ad bys. Here's what's
going on, folks, these polls. I think they're over sampling
Democrats to have to give an appearance that shows these
races much closer than they are. Nobody leaves and cancels
almost two million dollars in ad bys. If I'm reading
to you that they're within the margin of era in
every one of these poles, okay, you're just that because

(01:14:47):
it's in play and you need every electoral vote, and
they raised billions. They've raised so much money it's not
an issue of finite resources with that campaign. They're leaving
because their internal polls show what they show that the
early vote has waited to the Republicans so strongly that
they don't think they can win that state any longer.
So those polls mean nothing. It's the early vote, and
it's their internal polls that mean something. Well guess well

(01:15:10):
where else they're having trouble. They're having trouble. In Arizona,
the early vote's really showing strong for Trump. Nevada, the
early vote's showing really strong for Trump. You get to
all these these sum belt states, he's looking very strong.
Even if the polls or whatever they're showing by way
of polls show that it's close, it's not. You go
to the poly markets, you go to the betting markets.
The North Carolina is not close. It's not even in

(01:15:32):
their listed swing states. It's not that close like it
is in these poles that are being reported. I'm going
to tell you folks that there is a movement that's
going on that he is he is winning by large amounts,
large portions. And when you see a report of a
poll three four poles cited that show it all within
the margin of era. It's anyone's guess. It's a coin

(01:15:52):
flip in there in their assessment. And you see them
withdraw from that state entirely with that kind of media.
By withdrawal, canceling one point seven million or more, they
know something they know that's not that state's no longer
in play. That's a white flag. It's over for them
in that state. That's what that shows. And that's math.
That's one point seven million reasons why she's not gonna
win North Carolina.

Speaker 1 (01:16:12):
Well, one of the million million scenarios about winning the election,
greg and it states Trump, if he wins what North Carolina, Georgia,
and Pennsylvania he's in.

Speaker 2 (01:16:24):
Yes, Well, the way I see it is, you got
to win Georgia, you gotta win Arizona, and you win
North Carolina, and then if you win Pennsylvania, she can
have the rest. She can have Nevada, she can have Wisconsin,
she can have Michigan, she can have every other state
other than those traditional blue states. I'm obviously counting our
Texas and the states they're going to go Trump. But

(01:16:45):
of those so called swing states, you win those Sunbelt states,
it's over. If you win Pennsylvania, and then she can
have Wisconsin, she can have Michigan. Probably what will happen, though,
is when you get up into that rustbelt or that
blue wall they call it, you win one of those
those states, you'll probably win one of the other ones
or both of them too.

Speaker 1 (01:17:02):
Well, we've had a caller coming in. He wants to
weigh in on this as to what he thinks is
going on in North Carolina. Let's welcome Rich from Harriman
to the Rod and Greg Show. Hi, Rich, how are you?
Thanks for joining us?

Speaker 7 (01:17:14):
Hey guys, how's it going good?

Speaker 1 (01:17:15):
Good? Thank you?

Speaker 7 (01:17:17):
No, Actually, the way I'm looking at it is, you know,
Greg is talking about choosing to pull out her two
million dollars. I think the big steel is on. They
know that they have already got that wrapped deck. Either
it's the ballot machines or they've got ballot you know,
bags of ballots to come in with two thirty the
morning when AB's gone to bed and then just pull
their mine up because the don't need to spend it there.
They already got a wrapped up Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:17:39):
I hope you're wrong, but you might not be We
have a clip on that from Pennsylvania where they are
trying to push away because of this early voting phenomenon
and people that are Republican voting early. A woman is arrested.
They're trying to tell these early voters to if only
if you have an urgent reason for voting, should you
be voting early, trying to dissuade people from voting, and

(01:18:01):
this woman saying, no, no, that is not true. You
can vote early, and they arrest her in Pennsylvania for this.
So when he talks about the big steal, there's goofy
things going on.

Speaker 7 (01:18:10):
You're right, well, I also know that they've also had
reports about people having anomalies while they're voting, little glitzes
in the machine when they're putting in their vote.

Speaker 2 (01:18:23):
Yeah, I'm worried about that too. I'm just hoping that
there's more scrutiny to this and we're going to see
a volume of votes going Trump's way that they can't
they can't fabricate enough votes to overcome the number of
real votes that are going to be receiving.

Speaker 1 (01:18:37):
All right, Rich, thank you, Let's go to what's happening
in Pennsylvania. Greg For several days now. Reportedly, election officials
there in Pennsylvania directed voters to get out of line
and leave prior to casting their ballots. The director was
given without reason and actively suppressed by Pennsylvanian's right to vote.
And today, apparently in Delaware County, a state come out woman,

(01:19:00):
her name is Valve being Chanello, I believe, was arrested
for encouraging people to stay in line and vote. List
to this exchange, well.

Speaker 4 (01:19:11):
Wow, wow, that's crazy. You locked her up. That is insane, man.

Speaker 1 (01:19:22):
She is not influencing people.

Speaker 2 (01:19:25):
She is not at all.

Speaker 1 (01:19:28):
Now, that was the argument that she was standing in
line influencing people to vote for Donald Trump. But most
people around that issue, Greg say, that's really not what
happened here. And I tell you what, Greg, here we go.
You've got ballot boxes being set on fire in some states,
mail boxes being set on fire. You've got this. I mean,
they're going to be all kinds of challenges on the

(01:19:50):
vote again, Greg, And it shouldn't be here, just shouldn't
be like that.

Speaker 2 (01:19:53):
Here's what val said. And I'll just read her own words.
I broke no laws. On the other hand, the Bureau
of Election worker, the Bureau of Election worker telling everyone
in line that they quote should only be in this
line if you have a pressing reason to vote. Is
voter suppression. No one requires a pressing need to vote.
The election bureau worker also announced to the long line

(01:20:16):
of voters the wait is two hours and then we
are going to put you in a second line and
then a third line. Wow, okay, and that is and
that is vote. I mean that is voter suppression. And
she as she would counter what they were saying and say, no, no,
we are here, we need no pressing issue to vote,
and we're going to stay here. They handcuffed her and
at the end of the day they charged her with

(01:20:36):
an infraction of disturbing the peace after they handcuff her
and kept her in this room for a while. So
that's real. This is that really happened.

Speaker 1 (01:20:43):
We're making this up, folks, to be honest. Sorry, Mare
coming up, Rod and Greg with you. You're on Utah's
Talk radio one oh five nine k n rs. Okay,
this is out. You have to say something, so folks
joining us on the program.

Speaker 2 (01:20:58):
Okay. Philip Wallach, he's an author, senior fellow American Enterprise Institute.
Patiently waiting to be interviewed. This is where is democracy
or as I like to say, a democraticly elected republic
is it threatened? A little bit different take than a
presidential campaign, which I actually appreciate the perspective. So joining
us now is felt. Wallach, thank you for joining us

(01:21:21):
on the program.

Speaker 1 (01:21:21):
Philip, you wrote an article today, you and Daniel Lopinski,
who is a former lawmaker, about the real threat to
American democracy, and you say it is in fact and
ineffective Congress. How on earth did they ever lose that power?

Speaker 18 (01:21:35):
Well, basically, it's the fact that so many people are
sure that our democracy hangs on by a thread that
has to do with who wins this election. Really, the
engine of our democratic republic needs to be the Congress.
And part of the reason that people are freaking out
so much about this presidential election is because they've lost

(01:21:55):
faith in the Congress to be the center of our
national policy making. And everyone expects everything to run through
the Oval Office. And that just makes us all believe
that the presidential election is the end of the world.
We need to do recenter things on Congress.

Speaker 1 (01:22:14):
What happened? How did we get decentered, so to speak,
on Congress doing this job? And most of the authority
now exists either with the executive branch and in many
cases the judicial branch. How did this didn't happen overnight?
Did it? Philip?

Speaker 4 (01:22:30):
Absolutely right.

Speaker 18 (01:22:31):
It's a long trend that Congress very much participated in
by creating a lot of broad statutory powers that overtime
people in the executive branch have found that they could
use to just about any purpose that suited them. So
we've seen this gradual shift building and building where presidents

(01:22:54):
no longer really feel like they need to go bargain
with Congress when they want to do something new. Instead
they just go back to the law books and see
what powers that already exist might be convenient to their purposes.

Speaker 1 (01:23:05):
Why were these broad powers instituted to begin with? What happened?

Speaker 18 (01:23:08):
Do you think there's a lot of different reasons. Congress
wasn't just being foolish. It had problems that it was
trying to set the executive branch out to solve, But
it was a little careless in just how much authority
it was transferring over to the executive branch, and just

(01:23:28):
by the nature of language, left things open ended in
ways that the executive branch lawyers over the year have
learned to take advantage of. So it's not just one
big mistake or a sort of spectacular caper by the
executive branch. It is a longstanding trend that's added up

(01:23:52):
to the situation we have now.

Speaker 1 (01:23:55):
Were these powers instituted partially because the party in power
wanted to remain in power and this was a way
to protect it.

Speaker 18 (01:24:05):
You know, I think a striking number of these statutes
were very bipartisan in their nature.

Speaker 4 (01:24:11):
If you look at you.

Speaker 18 (01:24:13):
Know, big regulatory laws, a lot of which were enacted
in the nineteen sixties and nineteen seventies. They were big
popular laws. They had support from Democrats and Republicans, and
they were meant to create powerful agencies. But if you
went back and could tell those legislators just how many
executive branch adventures they would be enabling, I think that

(01:24:35):
they would be disturbed by that.

Speaker 1 (01:24:38):
How much of an effort will it take filled to
change this? What's going to have to happen? Do you
think the.

Speaker 18 (01:24:46):
Main thing is that members of Congress themselves need to
become jealous of their institutional prerogatives. Is they need to say,
this is our job, and when the executive branch tries
to take our job away. We need to fight back.
Right now, that just doesn't happen because members of Congress
identify themselves first and foremost as members of parties rather

(01:25:07):
than as members of their proud institution. And that's the mindset.
And as long as that's the mindset, there's enough people
to sort of defend what the president is doing from
any congressional rebuke. So we need to we need to
see some legislators willing to transcend party labels and say, hey,

(01:25:30):
in order to make America a place where self government happens,
we can't just let it all.

Speaker 4 (01:25:37):
Flow to the executive branch.

Speaker 18 (01:25:38):
We need to take power back into Congress, where representatives
from all over the country.

Speaker 4 (01:25:42):
Will hash things out.

Speaker 18 (01:25:45):
And that's not always an easy or popular political pitch,
but that's what we need them to do.

Speaker 2 (01:25:51):
You know this is that this speaks to an issue
I care deeply about our own. Senator Senator Mike Lee
said that in a future consideration for a majority leader
if the Senate, if you know the Republicans are in
the majority in the Senate, will be someone that looks
at these processes and legislative processes in ways that you've
pointed out, should be streamlined, should have given members more

(01:26:14):
access to floor votes and everything else. Do you think
that this election and the way it's turning, the Wyoming
vote or Montana with tester and him possibly losing the
new senator out of West Virginia, if they do gain
control of the Senate, could we possibly are you optimistic
we'd see some of these changes in the legislative branch,

(01:26:35):
maybe jealously guarding and maybe amplifying their own powers. Do
you think we'll see that in the coming Congress?

Speaker 4 (01:26:45):
Boy, it's hard to say.

Speaker 18 (01:26:46):
I mean, I think Republicans are likely to retake the Senate,
And of course we're also looking at a leadership change
for Republicans in the Senate. After many, many years of
Senator Mitch McConnell of Kentucky leading or Republicans, there's going
to be a new leader who is yet to be
figured out. But you know, Senator Mike Lee has been

(01:27:07):
one of the strongest advocates for Congress taking back some
of its powers and checking executive branch abuses. I really
commend the way that he's looked for Democratic partners in
that effort. I know that he's done a lot in
looking to check sort of bad faith declarations of emergencies

(01:27:27):
that empower presidents in various ways.

Speaker 4 (01:27:31):
So I hope he'll continue on that front.

Speaker 18 (01:27:34):
You know, I do think that there's some chance that
partisan combat is just going to be all consuming after this.

Speaker 4 (01:27:40):
Election, just as it has been before.

Speaker 18 (01:27:43):
So that's why I'm, in all honesty, not too quick
to get my hopes up.

Speaker 2 (01:27:49):
You know, I'm a recovering public servant. I was a
member of a legislative branch, a state legislative branch, and
reading your article, it was news to me, and maybe
I've read it wrong. If you in our state legislature,
if your bill receives a majority of the vote for
a positive recommendation to move forward out of a committee,
that bill will be read in the circle on the
floor of the House or the Senate, and then it

(01:28:11):
goes to the third reading calendar. It sounds like that
is not the case in Congress, that you can have
a committee bill, a bill that passes out of committee,
and yet there's still other stages or someone's discretion that
would keep it from actually being heard on the floor
for a debate. If that's true, I would think that
every lawmaker would want if they were successfully be able

(01:28:32):
to navigate a bill out of committee to hear that
bill on the floor that I read your this wrong
or is that actually a barrier right now?

Speaker 18 (01:28:40):
So my co author, former Representative Dan Lipinsky, and I
are focused on the House, so let me answer with
respect to that. Yeah, it's amazing that basically the regular
order in the United States House of Representatives is a
thing of the past. It basically does not exist.

Speaker 4 (01:28:56):
Pretty much.

Speaker 18 (01:28:56):
The only two ways bills get to the floor is
by the Rules Committee teeing them up with a special order,
or by having the Speaker recognize somebody to make emotion
to suspend the rules. Or I guess some bills also
might proceed under unanimous consent even in the House, but
that's less common and less important. So you're seeing the

(01:29:20):
pathways to the floor run almost entirely through the partisan
leadership in the House.

Speaker 4 (01:29:26):
There's not an expectation that if.

Speaker 18 (01:29:28):
You do good bipartisan work in a committee, who will
necessarily lead you to get some time on the floor
and a vote on the floor. So that's very demoralizing
for members of the House who say, well, maybe it
just isn't worth it to work hard in committee, because
I'm not even sure this matters. Like at the end
of the day, the Speaker and the Majority leader are

(01:29:49):
going to do whatever they want. I guess I should
go figure out ways of getting on their good side.
And that's what the House has been like in recent
years under both parties, I should say. So that's that's
really destructive to the to the morale of the body,
and we really need to turn that around. I think
the members themselves would tell you that things are bad.

Speaker 1 (01:30:08):
Phil Wallock, he is an author, a Senior Fellow at
the American Enterprise Institute, talking about the real threat to democracy,
and that is Congress isn't working anymore. It doesn't branch,
you just shut down.

Speaker 2 (01:30:21):
And one of my fear is that the members of
Congress that are elected, if they haven't served in the
legislative body and know that what that branch actually is
supposed to do, they don't know what they don't know,
so they have no idea that if you pass a
bill in a committee, that it gets right into the circle,
onto the floor and goes on the third reading calendar.
You you've pass mustered that get that gets debated on
the floor, and you taught and I'd say, I'd argue

(01:30:41):
probably every state this idea that then goes back to
rules and they get and leadership gets to the side.
It's insane.

Speaker 1 (01:30:48):
Well, what this comes down to, Greg, is if you
want something done, you have to kiss up to the
Senate majority leader or the House majority leader please. And
that's it.

Speaker 2 (01:30:56):
I mean, it's it's so. I mean, and they don't
know what they don't know. I'm afraid they don't know
how egregious that is. Yeah, I mean, I don't know
how you expect that Congress to get anything done. If
you pass a bill, you get the the votes to
get it first to a committee, then you get the
bill there and you get the positive favorable recommendation, and
then you can't go to a floor for it doesn't
go to the floor for a debate automatically. Yeah, of course.

Speaker 1 (01:31:19):
What Greg, Why would you want to be a member,
let's say, of the House. Right, you work your tailofs
to get to get a piece of legislation. You can
get it through the committee, but there it's up to
the House majority leader if they like you or not.

Speaker 2 (01:31:33):
If that bill's based on what that you have to
make a bunch of lousy votes to be able to
get your bill through and so you get that held
over your head or you got to raise more money
in there. You know, there's those sweat you know, cubicles
they send you into with headsets on to raise money
all day. Yeah, what a mess?

Speaker 1 (01:31:50):
All right, mare coming up some final thoughts on this
Tuesday week to go before the election right here on
the Rod and Greg Show and Talk Rady one oh
five nine kN R. You know, we were talking making
earlier Greg about the what's going on in Pennsylvania right
and everything that you know with the voter suppression and
everything else that's going on, and there's real concern about

(01:32:11):
the integrity of the vote. This story out of Nevada,
Greg just baffles the mind. I don't know if you've
heard about this, but the Nevada Supreme Court has ruled
that election officials can count mail in ballots with no
postmark that are received as late as three days after

(01:32:31):
any elections.

Speaker 2 (01:32:32):
That Arizona, Nevada, Arizona. That's Nevada.

Speaker 1 (01:32:35):
That's right, Vada.

Speaker 2 (01:32:35):
That's I mean, that is and I think that's that mark.
Elis Elias, Yeah, that is Elias, the guy Elias. Fifty
lawsuits He's fouled four and on behalf of Democrats and
the Harris campaign to loosen and make lax these election laws.
And he gets away with it. And then everyone says, well, Trump,
you know you know none of these bills that I'm
telling you. These judges they look at the Democrats and

(01:32:57):
their lawyers very differently than the Republicans.

Speaker 1 (01:32:59):
Yeah, Nevada toss up state presidential rates and also has
a key Senate race. I mean, these are it's a
very important state in Nevada. Nevada law requires male ballats
to be postmarked by election day in order to be counted,
even if they arrive up to three days late. Why
does this sound familiar?

Speaker 2 (01:33:18):
I know we have this dumbled I'm telling you what
I'm hoping our state legislature learns from all of this
and says it has to be in our hand, in
our Just look at what Florida does. Florida can tell
you by the end of the night. Now it's a
way bigger state what their election results are. If it's
not in their hand, you know, you just it' you
on you to get it in their hand by election day.
And if it's not in their hand on election day,
you've missed the window.

Speaker 1 (01:33:38):
Yeah yeah, Ted Cruz and Rick Scott wrote a great
opinion piece today in the Wall Street Journal. What four
years of Biden Harris has cost us? Are you ready
for this?

Speaker 2 (01:33:49):
A shudder to think.

Speaker 1 (01:33:50):
In the past four years, runaway inflation has made it
increasingly difficult for families to make ends meet. Since the
Biden Harris administration took off, consumer prices in the US
have risen twenty six percent faster than private sector private
sector wages. Can you believe that paychecks now by less

(01:34:12):
than they did in January of twenty twenty one. During
the four years Donald Trump was in office, inflation adjusted
private sector wages rose by eight point one percent. They're
now in the minus area. Can you believe that? I mean,
it's just it's what's going on.

Speaker 2 (01:34:28):
You can buy chart here. Look at what we have
in the Biden I'm looking at one terroristd encounters known
or suspected encounters at the border. And these are the encounters,
not the ones they got away with in seventeen under Trump,
two eighteen six, in twenty nineteen, three, in twenty twenty three,
in twenty twenty two with Biden, ninety eight and twenty
twenty three with Biden one hundred and seventy two and

(01:34:50):
twenty twenty four ninety four. Yeah do the math, I mean,
come on.

Speaker 1 (01:34:54):
Yeah. Well, and here's something interesting, speaking of money, JP
Morgan's CEO, jam and Jane Dy, who's rumored to be
possibly a Treasury secretary in the Biden Harris administration, may
get may not get that position after launching an astonishing
attack on Biden and Harris by hitting out at the
onslaught of red tape that businesses are in facion. Matter

(01:35:20):
of fact, here's what he told the Conference of bankers.
He said, it is time to fight back. I've had
enough with this S word, and I think you know
what that s word is. He lashed out of the
Biden administration over the amount of new banking rules being
drafted by government bureaucrats. Many banks are afraid to fight

(01:35:42):
with their regulators because they would just come and punish you.
That is not greg what the federal government should be doing.
He goes on to say, we don't want to get
involved in litigation just to make a point, but I
think if you're in a knife fight, you damn well
better bring a big knife. Yeah, you know, And here

(01:36:03):
you go. I mean Jamie Diamond, who could be our
Treasury secretary if if Kamala Harras wins and is just
saying we're getting killed. We've had it with this S
word and their regulations that are coming our way.

Speaker 2 (01:36:16):
It'll get worse too. I mean, if they were to
win this election. I mean, this is this is one
of the most aggressive and well run campaigns of Trump's
three campaigns. This is clearly the campaign that is the strongest,
not just in the polls but everything else. It's a
it's a campaign and an effort of addition, he's bringing
people along like Reagan did with the Reagan Democrats.

Speaker 1 (01:36:36):
Well, Kamala changed term message tonight. She's now calling for unity.
Yeah yeah, it that does it for us tonight. Head up,
shoulders back. May God bless you and your family and
this great country of ours. We're back tomorrow. Wingman went

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