The Rod and Greg Show: Day 3 of the DNC; Jason Chaffetz on Harris-Trump Fight

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Well, there are a couple of big stories on the
national front as well, that that report out today that
the basically Biden and Harris cooked the books on.

Speaker 2 (00:08):
Jobs in eight hundred and eighteen ten.

Speaker 1 (00:10):
Hundred and eighteen thousand jobs that they said that had
been created that weren't created. I mean, talk about cooking.
How did somebody that the Bureau of Labor Statistics missed
that one greg eighteen thousand.

Speaker 2 (00:24):
Here's the bigger question. I can see them cooking the
books every day and twice on Sunday. What I don't
understand is who leaked this, Like how did it get
out because of all the times to let this go
out right now during the DNC convention. Oh, you know what,
we kind of missed the mark by almost a million jobs.
Well that's not a small omission.

Speaker 1 (00:43):
By the way, we missed it by fifty thousand. No,
we missed it by eight hundred eighteen pretty much.

Speaker 2 (00:49):
Whoever was in charge of that either that, you know,
counting those jobs, they just they just did a really
really bad job. And whoever busted them, hats off to them.
But I can't believe that we or that's even public
knowledge that they were cooking the books.

Speaker 1 (01:03):
Can I say now that number is just amazing to me.
But here's a more disgusting number. And we talked about
this on Monday that at the DNC, you've got the
van there that is providing abortions and vasctomies. Right, yep. Well,
the story is today that Planned Parenthood says it has
killed twenty five babies so far since they set up

(01:23):
the free abortion clinics outside the DNC. That's a number
that the American people should be disgusted with, you know,
that's my opinion.

Speaker 2 (01:31):
Yeah, and I think a sad number. It's sad that
they you know, it used to be Democrats were never
celebrating and spiking footballs over abortions. They weren't giddy about it.
It wasn't it wasn't a moment to be excited about.
It was a heart wrenching decision that they would argue
needed to be made between a woman, her family, her physician,

(01:54):
and it was the worst case scenario that anyone would
find themselves in. They have departed from that narrative to hey,
get your free abortion. It's time to its time, it's
time to do this. Let's let's get this done. And
they are they are literally celebrating the termination of these pregnancies.

Speaker 1 (02:11):
And that is sick. It is twenty five, twenty five.

Speaker 2 (02:14):
To quote Donald Trump, these people are sick.

Speaker 1 (02:18):
He says.

Speaker 2 (02:18):
It's so much better than I do. But these people
are sick.

Speaker 1 (02:21):
Now. The other big story of the day is Robert F.
Kennedy Jr. ABC News Jonathan Carl at ABC tweeted out
a short time ago that on Friday that he will
drop out of the race and that he will endorse
Donald Trump. Now, guess who Guess where he'll be on Friday.
Where He'll be in Phoenix. Guess who else is going

(02:43):
to be in Phoenix on Friday? Please say Donald Trump?
Donald Trump? Yes? Can you kind of see this coming together? Now?
What does this mean? Greg? You know, it makes I mean,
it's just kind of interesting. You know. Trump said today
after his rally in North Carolina he likes Robert F.
Kennedy Junior. There may be a spot in his administration

(03:04):
for a Robert F. Kennedy junior. But you know, what
does it mean for the race? With the race in
some of these states being so close. Yes, if he
brings over just a few votes that could make the difference.

Speaker 2 (03:14):
And one of the things that Robert F. Kennedy Junior
brings is a young vote, which is funny because you
think with the Kennedy name it would be this old
school demographic.

Speaker 1 (03:22):
It's not.

Speaker 2 (03:22):
It's younger people. Why there is a similarity there where,
Why I think that alliance is not one of just
mere convenience. Is that what Robert F. Kennedy has been criticizing,
and I think smartly and what even resonates with like
Queen Bee Christie, she loves, she loves what he's saying.
He is chet Robert F. Kennedy Junior has been challenging

(03:43):
the corporate and big the big government and big corporation
merger that's gone on, the crony capitalism betweenity at the
expense of everyday Americans. And he has been very very
good at pointing it out, showing how this is happening
profits over a lot of things that we wouldn't even
imagine by the way of production of food or medicine

(04:05):
or pharmaceuticals. He has just been a stalwart on these
issues rfk Junior has and that is what Donald Trump's fighting,
and that is what people are worried about. Is this
big business or big corporations and big government colluding together.

Speaker 1 (04:19):
Yeah, yeah, and I you know we've had him on
the show a couple of times. Ye, Robert F. Kenny Jude,
that's right. And do you know Utah was the first
state that put him officially on the ballot. I love it.

Speaker 2 (04:30):
And look, he has been treated so poorly.

Speaker 1 (04:32):
Those Democrats booted Kennedy.

Speaker 2 (04:34):
They went, they went to the judge, they went to
the courts in New York and they got him removed
from the ballot, saying that that wasn't actually his residence
when he has a home there and everything else they
have tried to they have literally they're trying to get
all the candidates, whether it's a Green Party candidate or
RFK in these critical states where a few percentage points
might matter, they are using the courts to try and

(04:56):
clear the decks. Surprise, surprise, and RFK has been at
the receiving end of this kind of manipulation. Remember, they
wouldn't let him run as a Democrat. He tried, wanted
to have you wanted to have a primary. They said no.
They they made rules that nobody could nobody could satisfy,
so that they never had anyone run against at Biden
until they wanted to just again without any kind of vote,

(05:18):
any kind of primary cycle, insert Kamala Harris at the
last minute.

Speaker 1 (05:22):
Well, remember he wanted to be on the debate stage. Yes,
they wouldn't let him on the debate stage. They wouldn't.
They wanted nothing to do with Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
They just didn't want to.

Speaker 2 (05:31):
And I'm telling you, I met, I ran to a young,
a young young person over the weekend and I just said,
you know, young people, you're wired to challenge the establishment.
Just look at these big corporations and big government and
start asking what's going on around you. Don't let these
don't let the regime media tell you what to think.
Just start challenging this stuff. And I think that's why
RFK Junior is resonating with young people.

Speaker 1 (05:53):
Yeah, well, convention Day three, Night three, I guess we
call it day three the DNC. Tonight, I think Dougie
Dougie is going to Douggy Fresh, Juggie Fresh, Dougie's going
to be joining uh and talking. And then tomorrow night.
Of course, didn't you find it odd last night that
Kamala was nowhere to be seen when Barack and Michelle
spoke she was up in Wisconsin campaign rally and not

(06:16):
kind of intrigued.

Speaker 2 (06:17):
So I thought it was her taking for granted that
this is supposed to be her her big you know,
her big moment, and this is her show. But there's
a backstory that's getting leaked out there that there's a
little drama. There's a little drama between the Bidens and
the Obamas and Paris, and so Kamala doesn't want to
look like she's taking sides and budding up with the Obamas.

Speaker 1 (06:37):
So that's the arm, that's the rumor.

Speaker 2 (06:40):
There's a backstory to her going to Wisconsin. So again,
all those story, all this joy, there seems to be
some undercurrents of not joy going on in this second.

Speaker 1 (06:51):
Well, apparently some people are raising questions because apparently she
asked her big jet to circle around Wisconsin for about
fifteen minutes so she could hear the speeches of convention
last night. Do you hear that?

Speaker 2 (07:02):
Well, I don't think that's very responsible for her carbon
footprinting now, is it?

Speaker 1 (07:05):
Definitely?

Speaker 2 (07:06):
Nonment?

Speaker 1 (07:08):
I want to let you hear there is a guy
by they name was Scott Jennings. Scott Jennings a Republican
strategist who is a commentator on CNN right and after
the speeches by Obama and his wife Michelle, that whole
place was giddy last night. I had you know, they're
all faint over ease. Yeah, But Scott Jennings made a
very important point about really, I think, Greg, what this

(07:30):
election should be about in all.

Speaker 3 (07:32):
These speeches, as good as they were, is that she's
in the White House right now. Democrats have controlled the
White House for twelve of the last sixteen years. And
for all of the talk about division and the problems
in the country and people are hurting, Democrats have mostly
controlled this country. Trump had it for four the Obamas

(07:53):
and Biden had it for the rest of the time,
and somehow it's still all Trump's fault and somehow she
hasn't been at the center of it. So to me,
that's still the glaring hole in this campaign that hasn't
yet been solved. At the convention, how do you explain
all of the problems that will be solved by the
person who is currently in there for the last three

(08:15):
and a half years, who is supposed to already be
working on solving it.

Speaker 1 (08:19):
And that's the message I think Republicans need to say
that since two thousand and eight, greg this country has
been led other than the four years of Donald Trump,
have been led by Democratic leaders. And they blamed the
four years of Donald Trump for every problem we have
in this country today. The problem rests with those in
charge like Barack Obama and Joe Biden and Kamala Harris.

(08:39):
And that's got to be the message. So are you
expecting Kamala Harris, who is part of the problem, to
solve the problem? Well, that's right, and that's what's got
to be. That has got to be pounded into the
head of every American voter out there.

Speaker 2 (08:53):
You know the part that he said that I hadn't
for some reason, I just didn't track it as well. Yeah,
you had Obama for eight years, you had you had
Trump for four, and now you had the last four years,
so twelve years, you had Trump for four. Everything is
always always Trump, Trump's fault. But to your point, this
is day one thousand, three hundred and nine of Kamala

(09:13):
Harris's time on the clock. Whether she's making the decisions
or supporting the decisions, or hiding away from the decisions,
she's on the clock. She's a leader, or by definitely
you know, at least by title she is, where has
she been? She is so hard, she is trying so
hard to avoid this? And by again twelve years you
Democrats have been running the show in that White House

(09:35):
for all but four of those years. Yes, why would
you say it was Donald Trump's fault? Look around you
and look what you wait done?

Speaker 1 (09:40):
Folks, Wake up all right now when we come back,
is Kamala ready for the big job. We're gonna be
talking with a former member of Utah's congressional delegation. We'll say,
going down on the Rodden Greg Show on talk radio
one oh five nine k nrs. Time for a little fight,
A little bit of fighting going on right, bumper music height.

(10:01):
The question is we know Donald Trump is ready to fight?
I mean Donald Trump is a fighter. I think Donald
Trump is more of a counterpuncher than a puncher. Would
you say, I mean his style is the CounterPunch.

Speaker 2 (10:10):
Yeah, like he likes to Yeah, he likes to respond
back to what he's seeing.

Speaker 1 (10:14):
I think that's he's a good counterpuncher. Well, joining us
on our Newsmaker line right now is former Utah Congressman
Jason Chaffin's he is now a Fox News contributor, always
ready to have Jason on the show. Jason, I think
this is your first time, by the way, on the
brand new Rodden Greg Show. Congratulations to you, Jays.

Speaker 4 (10:31):
Oh, congratulations to you. That's great.

Speaker 5 (10:33):
You know you guys.

Speaker 4 (10:35):
I love that you start this segment talking about fighting,
because every time I think at Greg youes, I think, yeah,
there's got to be a fight somewhere.

Speaker 1 (10:45):
Well, Jason, let's talk about your article I saw on
Fox News today, Jays is she ready for the fight
against Donald Trump? And of course we're talking about Kamala.

Speaker 6 (10:55):
No.

Speaker 4 (10:55):
Look, the premise of the article having fox News dot
Com is number one. The best street fighter we've ever
seen is Donald Trump. I mean that guy is ready
for a fight anywhere, anytime. He's just and he's been
doing it so long. Now that he did it in business,
he does it in life. And those skills translate really

(11:17):
well to the world of politics because he's still not
this typical Washington, d c. Politician. He's not looking for
some business cards or some accolade. He's done it. He's
sacrificed a lot for his family and it's for his country.
He's taken a bullet and you know he's doing it
for all the right reasons. And the contrast with Kamala

(11:37):
Harris couldn't be bigger. You know, if you look at
Kamala Harris and Tim Walls, they have zero, zero private
sector experience, none. And I look at Kamala Harris. If
you don't go to do town halls, if you don't
be with voters, if you when you have supposedly the
allegation is that when she goes to a restaurant, she

(11:59):
wanted to wait staff ask what she wants for, you know,
does she want blue cheese on our salad? She didn't
even answer those questions, let alone take questions from the
media and everything else than those political muscles atrophy over time,
and you don't know how to answer the questions. You
don't know what people are really thinking. You live inside

(12:19):
a bubble. And I think she is probably one of
the most least qualified and tested candidates for the presidency
of the United States we've ever seen.

Speaker 2 (12:29):
I couldn't agree more. And I love the way you
put it in the article because I remember this exact
time when you say in the article that you spent
two years meeting with voters listening to their concerns, defending
your positions, the policy positions that you had. I know
for myself at Jason, that going into any campaign, after
I had been through so many living rooms meetings, town

(12:49):
hall meetings, just as much as I could, I came
out a different person than I went in. I understood
issues a lot lot better after going through a campaign
and listening and interacting with people against an incumbent Republican.

Speaker 1 (13:01):
Nope.

Speaker 2 (13:01):
Actually, if you go back in time, people didn't think
you had a chance in that race. But you were
battle tested. You were ready because you did that two
years worth of work. You point out here that it's
retail politics. That's what it all comes down to, is
how you connect with people. She has none of it.
She's never had a single vote, and whether it was
twenty or twenty twenty four, she doesn't. Her staff isn't

(13:23):
allowed to make eye contact with her. How So, if
she is this unprepared, when does the rubber hit the
road for her in terms of you know, you got
a media that wants to make her out to be
a star, you have a base that's fawning over her
at the convention right now, when does this lack of
experience or any lack of retail politics really hit her
in the eyes of voters. When do you think that happens.

Speaker 4 (13:46):
Well, I think it's starting to happen because you know,
we all dread the moment. I mean just think about it.
If that teleprompter would go went down, you just feel
like Kama Harris would go down. Yeah, the parallel, I
think that is really true. Who is when she ran
for president in twenty twenty, she was the hottest ticke
in ticket in town. She was raising the most amount

(14:06):
of money, she had the biggest crowds. But then she
actually did have to talk and she did have to
answer questions. Next thing we know, she's in sixth place
behind Andrew Yang, pulling in single digits in her home
state of California. I mean, that's what Democrats thought of her.
That's what the Democrats thought. So I think if they

(14:28):
can get to that point, think goodness, there's going to
be at least one debate. But it is embarrassing that
the national media has not held her to account for
She's done no interviews, no press conferences, and how do
we think she could deal with you know, Vladimir Putin
or President g it's just like, really, and I hope

(14:50):
America comes to realize it's not just about being joyful
and putting together a Steven Spielberg movie. There's some serious
problems with this country. She's not prepared to answer them,
nor is Tim Walls. You also have zero experience in
the private sector. He's never he's never owned a home.

Speaker 1 (15:08):
Yeah, and then you've got to deal with the story
coming out today today, Jason that both Biden and Harris
Cook the books on jobs created and there were what
eight hundred and eighteen thousand jobs that they say were created,
when in fact weren't even there to begin with. Jason,
how is she going to respond to that?

Speaker 4 (15:24):
Look just missed out one hundred thousands. You know, Look,
I think Republicans are really good at talking about statistics,
like you're really good to tell you about the labor
participation rate and everything else. The challenge for the Republicans
for Donald Trump, all those races, every House member, everybody,

(15:46):
you know, a third of the Senate is connecting with
people and letting him know that they care. And Democrats
seem to own this space. And it drives me nuts
because their policies hurt the average Americans, and I think
the Republicans have to do a good job not just
talking about the competency, but they also have to explain
why why they believe what they believe. And when Kamala

(16:09):
Harris given a chance to talk about policy, what did
she do? She's the only two positions she's taken. She's
going to get rid of the tax the Trump tax cuts,
so she wants to raise the taxes. She wants to
raise the corporate tax by thirty percent. Do you think
that's going to make life in America less expensive or more?

(16:30):
She wants to have price controls on a sector groceries
that is the like notoriously low about one point six
percent profit margin in THEO and she wants to go
after them and of course have government control prices. That's her,
that's her inclination, more government, more control, more power, more taxes.

(16:52):
That alone, in my mind, she should lose the elecxis.

Speaker 1 (16:55):
We'll keep her fingers. Hey, Jake, was great to have
me on this, and thanks for your first appearance on
the Rodding Greig Show. Thanks Jason. All right, all right,
Jason Schaffer's joining us on the Rodding Greg Show, and
he makes a lot of sense. I mean she is not.
You know this, Greg, You've been a politician, you know,

(17:17):
I've seen it work with others. There are some politicians
who are very comfortable with retail politicking. I mean, they
just they're naturally easy to talk to, it to talk with.
And then I see some who just struggle. Those who
struggle often don't win well.

Speaker 2 (17:30):
And I'll tell you, and they shouldn't win, Yeah, I think,
because I think the people that if you're a candidate
or a public servant, if you if it bothers you
to hear the opinions, even the frustrations of those that
you represent, then you're in the wrong job, because that
is the nature of being a public servant, is that
you're going to You can't. It is statistically impossible to

(17:51):
vote the right way for every constituent you represent every
single day. It's just not possible. You can't. There's just
too many votes to make. But what you can always
do is be receptive to the perspectives and the concerns
of those that you represent. Kamala Harris as a ninety
two percent turnover in her staff alone. She can't even
get a staff together to listen to anybody because they

(18:13):
themselves can't have an opinion in her presence, and she
can't have she can't listen to it amongst your staff,
let alone the public.

Speaker 1 (18:19):
And the key is Greg, to be real. And if
you aren't real, the public season right through you.

Speaker 2 (18:24):
And to my friends in the political class who don't
understand Donald Trump. There and lies Donald Trump's appeal. He
feels real because the rough edges feel genuine.

Speaker 1 (18:33):
Yeah, yeah, they do. All right. Coming up, we're gonna
talk a little bit more about Kamala's incompetence. That's coming
up next on the Roden Greg Show right here on
Utah's talk radio one oh five nine KNRS. A moment ago,
we were talking Greg with a former Utah Congressman, Jason Chaffins,
who is now a contributor on Fox News and the
rates a really good question. You know, there are a

(18:54):
lot of questions about her competency. Can she do the
job right now? A lot of the attention is creating
this aura, this magical I don't know whatever you want
to call about Kamala Harris, she's news, she's fresh joy,
it's all about joy, right, But you raised a good question.
The question is when is the rubber going to meet
the road and the American people actually understand what she

(19:17):
stands for and what she wants to do, and they
haven't heard that yet.

Speaker 2 (19:21):
Yeah, or that she doesn't stand. She doesn't stand, and
she doesn't have anything she's ready to do. Yeah, you know.
And look, I honestly worry that the Democrats think, Look,
we could hide Joe Biden in a basement for the
better part of an election. Never have them in front
of the media, never risk any of these things. We
can do this with Kamala and just make it all
about Trump. That's what they did last night, all about Trump.

(19:45):
I just have to believe that the American people are
going to vote in there in their interest, because their
self interest. This is how this Democratic Republic works. Your
self interests are a collective self interest with your community
and then your county, your state, and national so it
just it fans out from there. You have to look
at this election this way. If you make it all
about personality contests and let them just talk say Trump

(20:08):
one hundred and fifty times every night in their convention.

Speaker 1 (20:10):
Up to two hundred now, by the way, I want
to come on, we just did that.

Speaker 2 (20:12):
Cannot be in the best interest of the voters when
they look at actual issues that impact their lives.

Speaker 7 (20:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (20:18):
Well.

Speaker 1 (20:18):
Michael Goodwin over the New York Post wrote today the
incompetence of Joe Biden and Kamala Harris, and he talks
about three points. Let me run these by you. Number one,
the claim that Biden is still competent to remain in
the Oval office for the next five months. This guy
is losing it and nothing is being done. People. You
know what is going to happen if a major crisis

(20:38):
hits this country between now in January. Yeah, we're yeah,
I mean, they talk about you know. And one outrageous example,
as Goodwin points out, was on Monday when he made
his remarks, he talked about the anti Israeli protesters in
the streets of Chicago. They have a point, really, I mean,
I mean talk about a leg him in point. Let's

(21:01):
talk about what happened in Israel on October seventh. And
they have every right, in my opinion, to wipe Hamas
off the mat. Yes, they do.

Speaker 2 (21:08):
And look, he said he ran because of something that
that Trump actually did not say and has been proven
that he didn't say about Charlottesville and white supremacists that
there's good on both sides. He just said that these
terrorists that slaughtered women and babies have a point. Yeah,
there's good on both sides. He literally said the very
thing that he accused falsely Trump up saying, he just

(21:29):
said on Monday night, and where's the account. There's not
They don't account for it. I don't hear anyone talking about.

Speaker 1 (21:35):
Line number two. The convention is that Biden has been
a great president whose tenure is splashed with historic achievements.
Give me a break, yeah, historic, give me a break.
Historic misery is all I can point to. Yeah, in
terms of everything, it's just impacted everyone's lives, our military,
our borders, our education. Are you name it, your pocketbook,

(21:57):
your rent, your your mortgage, you name it. Here's line
nonumber three, Kamala Harris is competent enough to replace him
as president.

Speaker 2 (22:05):
Okay, all right, we're just gonna roll the dice on
that one. I guess I haven't seen a thing yet.
Here's what he says. I think he's bought on. He said.

Speaker 1 (22:13):
If that's true, she did an excellent job of hiding
her talent for the last three and a half years. Yeah.
Beyond the word salads, the old Giggles and the exits
of dozens of aids, complete with horror stories of her
brutal management style and refusal to prepare for public appearances.
She was part of every major administration decision and policy.

Speaker 2 (22:34):
Yeah, they said it recently that there's no space, no
daylight between those two. They did this all together. So
there you go, she's so talented. Here we are, here,
we are, there, we are.

Speaker 1 (22:44):
And going back to the point that Scott Jennings made
the SoundBite we played earlier, the Democrats have been in
charge of this country since two thousand and eight except
the four years of Donald Trump. So if you want
to talk about wrecking the country, why aren't we blaming
the Democrats instead of the four years of Donald Trump?

Speaker 2 (23:00):
And you know, we've said this and I don't know
if and when we will go Let's see what time
is it, so we won't go to the phones right now,
but at some point we'd I'd love to go to
listeners and say and ask you are people are people
out in America that are they going to just dislike
Donald Trump so much by way of personality that they
would literally vote against their own best interests for their
for themselves, their families or communities. Is there a hatred

(23:23):
towards Donald Trump? That is that strung overshadows everything I mean?
And and Trump brought it up. But oh, he has
to talk about issues. He talks a lot about it.
He's got more issues he's talking about than you've ever
heard coming from that other ticket. He can't make it
personal when all last night everything was vicious and personal
about Donald Trump. That goes right over the heads of
these critics and these people that clutch their pearls about

(23:45):
Donald Trump going after anybody? So is it just going
to be Donald Trump? She she doesn't like, She's not
Donald Trump. Therefore maker president run with all of her policies.
Is that where we are as a nation?

Speaker 1 (23:56):
Really? Yeah, we'll see. We'll talk about that coming up
in the five o'clock hour we come back. Poor old
Don Lemon, former CNN host. He was on what the
Boardwalk in New Jersey other day, Joss looking for people
who hated Donald Trump and was going to vote for
Kamala Harris. Apparently he didn't find any, so he went
to Chicago last night looking again for people who hate

(24:18):
Trump and love Kamala. He was not successful.

Speaker 2 (24:22):
We will report you here, you'll do that little field
trip went for good old Don Lemon.

Speaker 1 (24:27):
Now, well that's coming up on the Rod and Greg
Show and Utah's Talk Radio one oh five nine kN rs.
Don Lemon used to have a big show on CNN. Yeah,
never got the ratings, told him to get lost. You know,
things went downhill from there, you know, ladies, Don's been
out on the street the past couple of days trying

(24:48):
to gauge how voters feel about Kamala Harris and Donald Trump. Now,
we played this audio montage the other day of him
on the boardwalk in New Jersey, and he found there
are a lot of women in the boardwalk in New Jersey,
or men and men as well, who simply are voting
for Donald Trump.

Speaker 2 (25:03):
A ball race color creed jender.

Speaker 1 (25:04):
They well like that.

Speaker 2 (25:05):
And this is New Jersey. That's a blue state. Okay,
that's a blue blue state. So let's get to the
Democrat National Convention. Surely, Don Lemony Lemon can find all
the people excited about this Harris Walls ticket.

Speaker 1 (25:17):
Surely. Yeah, Well let's see what he found out. How
are you feeling about the election.

Speaker 8 (25:21):
I'm going for Trump.

Speaker 7 (25:22):
I feel like every time they don't want somebody who was.

Speaker 8 (25:25):
Good for us to win.

Speaker 7 (25:26):
They throw somebody black in our face thing and that done,
like make us vote for the black person.

Speaker 9 (25:31):
I vote for her mama because he was black. I
don't want to vote for her because she's the first
black woman to run for president or to win.

Speaker 7 (25:36):
I don't vote.

Speaker 1 (25:37):
Well, I want Donald Trump. I'm sorry, I want Donald apologize. Well,
I know nobody likes him, but we had good times
with Donald Trump.

Speaker 9 (25:45):
I'm running for Trump, so you are yeah, yeah, well
but yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (25:49):
I just always been a fan of here.

Speaker 5 (25:52):
I used to be against Trump.

Speaker 7 (25:53):
I used to live in Virginia.

Speaker 9 (25:54):
I saw the bad side of it, but really moving
to Cleveland, but.

Speaker 6 (25:57):
I saw the other side of it.

Speaker 9 (25:58):
I'm supporting Trump are because because it has to change.

Speaker 1 (26:03):
It has to change.

Speaker 9 (26:04):
And now I vote more for what fits me better
as a person rather than voning for the black person
or voning for the first one.

Speaker 1 (26:12):
And so what do you think about Kama Harris?

Speaker 9 (26:14):
I they to say she's phony in fake you know
what I'm saying, So like you know, I'm like, you
know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (26:18):
You know what are you?

Speaker 5 (26:20):
You know?

Speaker 1 (26:20):
So I just I'm not feeling it. People get mad
about it.

Speaker 8 (26:22):
I'm just not feeling anyone.

Speaker 2 (26:23):
I don't like her the way she speaks, the giddiness,
the laughing, everything's a joke, and it's not a joke.

Speaker 10 (26:29):
We're in trouble.

Speaker 1 (26:30):

Speaker 7 (26:32):
Kamala with own Biden team, and I don't like Biden.
Gas one this high when trouble with our president. Food
wasn't this high.

Speaker 8 (26:39):

Speaker 2 (26:41):
See, those are the kitchen table issues. Those are people
that are just taking the part party politics out of
the equation and saying what's best, what's in my best interest? Yeah, gasoline, groceries, rent, mortgage,
you name it. And then one of those comments you
could hear the shy Trump vote. Still okay, you heard
that person. She was apologetic, ye, And she goes, I

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know this is gonna. I know people don't like this.
He goes, why why? Why why do you think that?
She goes, well, I know people don't like him, but
things were better for me when he was president. And
there is why. I think that is why when you
see the polling numbers, he pulls low, because I think
where people fully intend to vote for him, they don't
want to go through the brain damage of having people

(27:22):
tell them, you know, have Trump arrangement syndrome, tell them
why that they don't like their opinion.

Speaker 1 (27:26):
And most most of his supporters, I still think, like
we saw a couple of years ago, Greg, they don't
want to participate in polls. If they get a call
from a pollster, they not going to answer your question.
Nowipt I think I think that people. I think that
there's still that chi Trump vote out there. I think
that there's I think that people, and at the end
of the day, have to vote for something. You can

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keep saying if all the Democrats want to say is
who you should vote against? If you don't have anything
to vote for aspirationally, I just don't think you're going
to capture the hearts and minds.

Speaker 2 (27:57):
I think you have to have something to vote for.

Speaker 1 (27:59):
Just think about this, folk, Since two thousand and eight,
Democrats have been in charge for all but four years. Yep.
And see the situation the country is in today. Remember
that when you head to the polls on November fifth, Well,
we've got a lot to talk about coming up. When
was the last time you and the family took a
hike into the mountains.

Speaker 2 (28:18):
You're asking the wrong guy. Man, I the last time. Yeah,
i'd have to go with you. Raised answer. Never. Well,
i've been sometime, I'm sure. But you know what hiking.
The problem with hiking is, I just stare at the ground.
I stare at the ground the entire time because it's
not it's not smooth, there's rocks or stuff. You gotta
watch where you're walking. I don't see the view. I

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just see the ground. I just look down the whole time.

Speaker 1 (28:42):
Well, can I answer that question? Yeah? Never, I don't
think I've ever been on a hike. We are in
a minority in the state we are. But I mean,
here's my theory on hiking. You go up the top
of the mountain, you go, oh, that's cool. You go
back down the mountain. Yeah, I know. Now I've got
a member of my family, a daughter in law, who
loves hiking, and my son has learned to love hiking.

Speaker 4 (29:05):
Man.

Speaker 2 (29:05):
That's like we have progressed as a society. We have
motorized vehicles. We have ways to get around now, we
don't need to hike only Yeah, yeah, old does it
if he's hunting, fair enough, there at least there's a point.

Speaker 1 (29:17):
Well, You're right, a lot of people get out and
enjoy it. We aren't critical of him, No, we just
say we aren't being But where would you be? And
you and I would be one of those type of
people who would climb a rock and get stuck on
it and then have to call search and rescue?

Speaker 2 (29:29):
Yeah, actually I went with a youth group. I'm thinking
about it, but you did about probably fifteen years ago.
I went to a youth's group. I was to Timpanoga
and no, no, it was a Loan Peak. Oh, Loan Peak.
I was. It was great, but you can't get lost fast,
get real fast.

Speaker 1 (29:46):
Well, well, could you see you and I are liking?

Speaker 2 (29:49):
Yeah, I was there under duress. I was. It was
not my choice.

Speaker 1 (29:54):
It was not your choice. Well, the wonderful people who
volunteer in this state for search and rescue be able
to do so anymore because of a stupid new ocean rule, Greg,
That is absolutely nut.

Speaker 2 (30:04):
So OSHA Occupational Safety and Health Administration. This is a
federal administration that tries to tell you what to do
by way of safety and health.

Speaker 11 (30:14):
Man.

Speaker 1 (30:14):
Well, joining us on our Newsmaker line right now is
the sheriff of Cash County, Beautiful area that stayed up there.
Chad Jensen, Sheriff Jensen, thanks for joining us. All right.
OSHA has put out a new rule. The Sheriff's Association,
who Greg is involved with, he represents them, are fighting
against this new rule. What is the new rule and
why are you so concerned about this, Sheriff?

Speaker 8 (30:33):
Well, what the concern is right now?

Speaker 6 (30:34):
With an ocean rule, it's rule twenty nine CFR nineteen ten,
and it's a rule.

Speaker 8 (30:39):
It's not anything that's created by a law.

Speaker 5 (30:42):
And this rule.

Speaker 6 (30:43):
What this ocean rule does, it lumps search and rescue
volunteers into the same category as fire brigades or fire departments.
And it also requires about six hundred hours of training,
a bunch of different certifications, and it really doesn't know
what search.

Speaker 8 (31:00):
And rescue does.

Speaker 6 (31:02):
Search and rescues organizations in our state are one hundred
percent volunteer. With these qualifications that this rule would create,
it would basically it had to be full time employees
and volunteers aren't going to volunteer to have a three
part time job. So if this law was to pass,
this rule was the pass, it would put every search

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and rescue team in the state in jeopardy. Of having
no volunteers, and the only ones that suffer for that
are the citizens in our state who use our backcountry
for the service, in our deserts for recreation.

Speaker 2 (31:36):
Now I have I feel honored to be able to
work with the Shriff Shriff Association. I do that, and
so I know this issue a bit. So I probably
even know the answer to the sheriff. But look, Osh,
is just asking you to train people seven to eight
hundred hours. What's wrong with that? That sounds like that
would make your search and rescue teams more prepared to
find people that are lost. Why Why is that? Why

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is that prohibitive?

Speaker 6 (31:59):
It's for it And the fact that they're trainings that
they want us to have are fire type trainings, which
are has matt and active government shooters, fire scenes. Our
first responders are search and rescues. They are not primary responders.
They are a secondary responding unit, and they work in
the back.

Speaker 8 (32:14):
Country and the deserts and recreation areas.

Speaker 6 (32:17):
They don't respond to law enforcement or fire type incidents.
So they're their training is one hundred percent different than
what fire training is. They cannot be lumped together. They're
two different response units and two different organizations.

Speaker 8 (32:34):
We do training.

Speaker 6 (32:36):
We have swift water training and high angle training, and
we do certifications, and we have teams within our organizations
who do those types of trainings already.

Speaker 8 (32:45):
But to add that.

Speaker 6 (32:45):
Much more to it, who would volunteer to donate six
hundred hours more of training?

Speaker 1 (32:53):
I can speak, yeah, go ahead, Shirch.

Speaker 8 (32:56):
I can speak for my county, my search and rescue.

Speaker 6 (32:58):
They donated about twenty or twenty five thousand hours of
volunteer service in just in Cash County alone, and we're not.

Speaker 8 (33:04):
The busiest search and rescue unit in the state.

Speaker 1 (33:07):
If we had to, if we lost.

Speaker 6 (33:09):
That in our county, I don't know what counties could
pick up that cost if this rule was to go
into effect.

Speaker 1 (33:15):
Sheriff, Did the sheriff see this coming or is this
some bureaucrat back in Washington and says, you know, I
think we need to get better training for these search
and rescue teams. Did you see this coming at all?

Speaker 8 (33:26):
No?

Speaker 6 (33:27):
I think one of our sheriffs is just stumbled across
that we weren't notified of of this rule.

Speaker 8 (33:32):
And that's it's a rule, it's not a law. You know.

Speaker 2 (33:36):
Here's here's were found well, and here here's my question,
because in all my years, it's my understanding that what
you just described sheriff in your county as search and
rescue teams, volunteer people that are doing it this way,
they are spending their time, this is the this is
the model for the state in all of its counties.

Speaker 1 (33:52):
What what happens to the public. So, what's the if if.

Speaker 2 (33:55):
Somehow they were to this ocean rule were to pass
and it would make it two perit to have your
search and rescue teams any longer? What would be the
impact of the public in response.

Speaker 6 (34:06):
To that, Oh, there wouldn't be any They would be
a law enforcement response to missing people or lost people,
hurt people in the forest service in back country, but
it would be a slow response and an untrained response.
That's why we have search and rescue members that are training,
they're volunteers, they have immediate responses. They have My search

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and Rescue has fifty volunteer members. We can have thirty
people on the ground.

Speaker 8 (34:31):
In thirty minutes.

Speaker 6 (34:32):
Wow, that will one hundred percent go away if agencies
have to pay full time.

Speaker 8 (34:36):
People to do this job.

Speaker 2 (34:37):
So it would be fair to say that it puts
lives at risk if you if you're not able to
put these teams together as you've done already, as all
the counties in Utah have done already.

Speaker 8 (34:46):
One hundred percent put lives at risk.

Speaker 1 (34:49):
Sheriff, Where does this rule stand? Is it a proposed
rule that's still in a consideration? Is it is it
in the books and locked in?

Speaker 5 (34:56):
Now?

Speaker 1 (34:56):
Where does it stand? And could there be congressional action?
Just set this aside?

Speaker 8 (35:02):
There could be some congressional actions. Where are the ships
right now?

Speaker 6 (35:05):
I think it's made it all the way through the
comments period. There is I think a final meeting with
them on November. I think it's like November thirteenth, where
some comments can still be taken. But we're hoping that
they understand what Utah Search and Riscue does and they
just take us out of this bill altogether and focus

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on what their priority of this rule was, which I
think is has Matt in different type of fire type situations.

Speaker 1 (35:36):
Greg, this is thank you, Sheriff Jensen. Chad Jensen from
the Cash County Sheriff's Department joining us. This to me,
Greg is a classic example of some bureaucrat in Washington saying,
you know, we probably should come up with a rule
to define what local volunteers can do when it comes
to search and rescue. So let's develop a rule. Does
need congressional approval. We'll just put it in policy and

(35:59):
all you people out there have to deal with it. Yeah,
the executive smells all over the place.

Speaker 2 (36:03):
The encroachment of this executive branch federally into all of
our states by rule executive orders. Now even by rules
it does it has a material detrimental impact on people's lives.
You've just heard it. You know how many people I
have been with volunteers who have gone and taken their
time and risk to go find people. And here's the

(36:24):
irony the left. You know, they love creating national monuments.
So they go to an area, you know, like San
Juan County, they create the Bear's Ears National Monument, which
then brings flocks of people that have never traversed and
never walked around that area before because they've never heard
about it. They get absolutely lost, and then the local
community people are out there searching and rescuing more people.

(36:45):
And in months after Obama did this in twenty nineteen,
twenty twenty eighteen, more in the months after that, when
he declared this than they had years prior collectively, so
they they left once all the land and people to
be able to walk around it. And then they're gonna
go and cut the knees out from these local sheriffs
who are in charge of search and rescue finding these

(37:06):
people when they get lost, and you're not gonna be
able to do it. Come on, and that's and it's
just so typical of artal government. It's just so typical.

Speaker 1 (37:15):
All right, Mark, coming up, Rodd and Greg with you
on this uh Wednesday afternoon in Utah's Talk radio one
oh five nine k n rs. Bill Clinton will speak tonight,
as will vice presidential nominate Tim Walls. We'll see if
he does any crazy dances on stage, which he has
known to do.

Speaker 2 (37:31):
And my prediction on Tim Walls is he's going to
be like macaroni and cheese and a trip to the
hardware store. Yeah, he's just gonna use as the New
York Times condescendingly described the language of liberty. They're going
to use all those all the vernacular to to try
to tell the American people, Hey, I'm one of you.

(37:53):
But it's just gonna be a it's just going to
be a just political pageantry.

Speaker 1 (37:56):
All right, true confessions time now here in the Rowden
Gregg Show. Oh do you have enemies?

Speaker 2 (38:02):
Oh yes, that's a badge of honor.

Speaker 1 (38:04):
I'm here.

Speaker 2 (38:05):
Oh look man, that's pauseitive social proofing. In my opinion,
people hate you. I mean you're doing something. You know,
if people don't care, they don't have opinion, well then
you're just you're just what You're just what?

Speaker 5 (38:17):
Uh uh?

Speaker 2 (38:20):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (38:20):
Well, you know, we put out our opinions every day
on this show, and people aren't going to like those opinions,
and they'll probably hate it. For those opinions that we have.

Speaker 2 (38:27):
They're going to love our opinions absolutely, this.

Speaker 1 (38:30):
This autist does. Yeah, but there'll be some who don't
like our opinions. Right, Yeah, I.

Speaker 2 (38:34):
Got I got a whole I gotta I put Democrats
on tilt and I love it.

Speaker 1 (38:38):
I love it.

Speaker 5 (38:39):
Well.

Speaker 1 (38:40):
Derek Derek Hunter, who is a does a podcast back
I think in the Baltimore area. We've had Derek on
this show before. Good guy. He wrote this interesting article
on the Hill that I want to talk to about
and talk to our listeners about tonight. That the the
headline in the article today was Trump needs to realize
how many people hate him before it's too late. Do

(39:00):
you think Donald Trump cares about how many people hate him?

Speaker 2 (39:03):
Not only do I think he doesn't worry about that.
I don't think it's as universally understood as hatred. I
don't think people hate him as much as the author
of this column and it thinks it is. I think
he is one of the most popular presidents we have
ever had, you know, And I think there's math to that.
He received seventy follion, two hundred and twenty three thousand votes.

(39:24):
There is not a Republican or Democrat prior to twenty
twenty whoever that had ever received sixty million was the
top amount anyone had ever received. Over seventy four million
people voted for this man. That is not a tell
that you are universally hated. It's not. I mean, you
have brought people out the vote that have never voted
before when you get to that that kind of number.

Speaker 1 (39:45):
But you and I talked about this yesterday, and that's
why I want to open up the phones to people
tonight on this I mean last night. Other than the
Obama speaking a gentleman. By gentleman, I call him loosely
by the name of Jim Giles. I think he's the
mayor of Mesa Araz and he was part of this
Mormons for Kamala group that you know, you and I

(40:06):
were talking about the other day, and he spoke at
the convention and one of the issues that keeps on
coming up, and I heard Glenn talk about this today.
I've thought of myself as well, is do people out
there hate Donald Trump so much, Greg, that they are
willing to vote for Kamala Harris and all her unbelievable communistic,

(40:28):
Marxist whatever you want to call it policies because they
hate Donald Trump so much. Do you think there are
people like that out there?

Speaker 2 (40:34):
I don't. I think, well, I'm sure there's people out
there like that, But I think I will take grocery
government price control of my groceries. I will take I'll
take taxing unrealized profits, which folks to put it into
real terms for us, if our home went up in value, well,
that's an unrealized profit that you would be taxed on
without ever cashing out your home. But hey, it's it's

(40:57):
it's on paper that it's a it's a profit. There
are so many wrongheaded policy issues or just the elect
or where she has flipped around trying to be popular
at a given moment. You don't know what her policy
issues are. Would you honestly take these that because you hate,
because you hate Donald Trump his mean tweets or whatever,

(41:17):
without even regard to how they talk about Trump. Yeah,
like last night and the night before, they get brutal
about this guy. Nobody's clutching pearls about it. Oh, their
peaks so rude. But when he goes after him, boy,
oh we can't handle it.

Speaker 1 (41:29):
Yeah, Now the gist of Derek's article, Another part of
it was that he feels Trump needs to focus more
on the issues greg than taking jabs and personal insults
at the other candidates. He's responded to that today, He's
responded to it a couple of times. He's heard the
criticism mister Trump, talked more about the issues, talk more
about the issues. And he goes, wait a minute, am

(41:50):
I not allowed to defend myself when there are personal attacks?
And they've been going on for what two nights now
will be another night tonight? Are personal attacks against Donald Trump?
Why is he not allowed to defend himself? And he
should be?

Speaker 2 (42:02):
He should be And where I think some people misunderstand
this is when he talks about the weaponization of our
Justice Department for political purposes. Yeah, he's living through that
right now. Him addressing that is not retribution. That is
preventing it from happening to the rest of us. He
has made it clear what they will do to me,
they will do to you. When he talks about elections

(42:23):
being free and fair and open and that you can
trust them, he feels that there was something wrong with
the twenty twenty election. He's not talking about getting back
in anybody going forward. He wants elections to be fair
and open and honest going forward. And yes he has
felt those things. But if you want to take every
position he's taken as a retribution tour or I'm just

(42:44):
going to get back at people, then you haven't listened
to Donald Trump. What he is saying is these injustices,
the way the federal government's growing, the way the deep
state gets deeper and deeper, or actually, I would argue
above ground and right in our face. He is ready
to take that on. He has lived at himself. He
has the empathy. He's not doing this out of retribution.
He is trying to clean up something that no longer

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represents the American people.

Speaker 1 (43:08):
That is issues.

Speaker 2 (43:10):
That is probably the most issue oriented platform you'll hear
from a candidate.

Speaker 1 (43:15):
Well, he said to North Carolina today, and much of
the speech today focused on national defense and national security,
and people would consider this retribution. I don't, but he said,
if I am elected, I am going to review what
happened in Afghanistan and anybody who was involved in that
decision to just get out are gone. Yes. Now, is
that revenge or retribution? This is making decisions.

Speaker 2 (43:38):
And making our military better and our country safety.

Speaker 1 (43:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (43:42):
The number of the billions of dollars or whatever it
was of equipment left behind then the time of year
they withdrew so that the Taliban could traverse those mountains
to take on that new government that was just brand
new that they left there. The withdrawal that Trump had
planned was in a winter time where they would have
had time to get their underneath them. They certainly weren't
going to leave all that military equipment behind. You weren'ting

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to see people falling off of planes they were hanging
on to as they were taking off, and members of
the military killed outside the fences of airports. All of
that there's never been an accountability for there's never been
any terminations for the abject failure and humiliation and just
sadness that that was.

Speaker 1 (44:21):
Yeah, and what was it just a week or two
ago they were parading all that military equipment on the
third anniversary of the from that chanisy.

Speaker 2 (44:28):
You go after that, That's called accountability, all.

Speaker 1 (44:30):
Right, More coming up, Rod and Greg. We want to
get to your phone calls about the hate for Donald
Trump eight eight eight five seven eight zero one zero
or on your cell phone dial pound two fifty and
say hey Rod. The Rod and Greg Show continues after this.
This a proposed constitutional amendment that hopefully will come out
tonight dealing with ballot initiatives. And very, very very you

(44:50):
are so concerned about this. I've known you for a
number of years then I've never seen you so wound up.

Speaker 2 (44:56):
Because you are wound up on this. Well, we have
something happening in real time. I know no other way
to turn this state into California quicker and a decline
unseen before than to allow initiatives to be by the
money left the Soroses and everyone else carpet bomb this
state and become law. If anyone that's listening is frustrated

(45:19):
over statewide elections. If you didn't vote for Romney and
you wondered how did Romney win if you didn't vote
for whether it's whoever the statewide candidate is that you
think isn't as conservative or it doesn't really reflect you
as much as you would hope to see in a candidate.
Imagine that issue by issue, because again, why do these
state wide races of candidates that we feel sometimes don't

(45:42):
reflect our values or are as conservatives we are. It's
the dollars they spend to say they're as conservative as
we are, and that's how they get elected. Well, state legislatures,
it's a lot easier to influence the outcome and of
your representative and senator, state senator than it is those
statewide issues. You're going to take that away from the
legislative branch of government and you're going to turn it

(46:04):
over into an initiative, a straight democracy initiative process that
the left has mastered in this country. They have mastered this.
We don't have its equivalent on the republic on the
conservative side. And so yeah, I'm watching this going this
is whether we're going to have a relevant legislative branch
in this state or not.

Speaker 1 (46:22):
Yeah, well, the other issue that we've been talking about,
and we want to get your phone calls on this
eight eight eight five seven eight zero one zero or
on your cell phone dial pound two fifty and say, hey, Rod,
the hate for Donald Trump? Could it override that hate?
Is it so powerful that you would elect someone like
Kamala Harris to be president of the United States? And Trump?
And you hear all these consultants, Greg, and it frustrates

(46:46):
both of us because we disagree with them. But they're saying,
mister Trump, talk about the issues. Quit getting personal. Talk
about the issues. I think he does talk about the issues.
He did today. He talked about national defense in our military.
He talked about the issues today. Sure, he's going to
sprinkle in some jabs, some jokes, but he's talking about

(47:07):
the issues. What more do you want the guy to do?

Speaker 2 (47:10):
Yeah, you got a convention that there's what was on Monday.
One hundred and forty seven times they mentioned Trump's name.
They mentioned inflation three times. That's not a party that's
running on issues. No, he had a press conference, his
second press conference open to the media to ask him
any questions. Donald Trump did with groceries on the on
the on the table, okay, and he's he's talking about

(47:31):
the groceries and how much they've gone up over the
last four years.

Speaker 1 (47:33):
I liked him.

Speaker 2 (47:34):
He said, Oh, the cheerios I'm taking out with I
haven't had cheerios a long time, And that's funny.

Speaker 1 (47:38):
I like.

Speaker 2 (47:39):
So he has always been on these issues. But you
know why people say he's not talking about the issues,
And this came up with one of our interviews yesterday
because the regime media says he doesn't and then the
conservative media ends up becoming the moon to the sun
of the regime media and they start to regurgitate back
when he doesn't talk issues. Look around, he's the only

(47:59):
guy talk issues.

Speaker 1 (48:00):
Yeah. Well, speaking of issues, Kamala Harris doesn't even have
an issue on our policy page yet.

Speaker 7 (48:07):
I know.

Speaker 1 (48:08):
You go to her, you go to her website and
look for policy stands, you won't find any because she
doesn't have them right now. So you know, that argument
I think is pretty thin. All right, we want to
get to your calls on this eight eight eight five
seven o eight zero one zero on your cell phone
dial pound two fifteen and say hey, Rod, your calls
and comings. Coming up on the Rod and Gregg Show,
Kamala wants to provide a twenty five percent tax on

(48:30):
your unrealized gains.

Speaker 2 (48:32):
Yes, yeah, that's that's not good. That's that's pretty for cony.
And the confiscation of wealth is always something I think
we should really be guarding against. I don't Carol, if
don't get too don't get too wealthy. Care Trump has
a bad if you don't get a sense of humor.
I just think the confiscation of wealth is bad. By
the way, I'm learning folks in real time that the
roder cat's name might be Oliver. There's a story behind it,

(48:56):
but breaking news. It might be the case at to Rod, Yeah,
might be Oliver.

Speaker 1 (49:02):
Inside baseball stuff. Yeah, all right, I'm seeing we've talked
about search and rescue with Osha. We're talking about the
hatred of Donald Trump. Eight eight eight five seven O
eight zero one zero. On your cell phone, I'll pound
two to fifteen and say, hey, Rod, let's go to Vance,
who's in orum tonight here on the Rod and Great Show. Hi, Vance,
how are you.

Speaker 5 (49:21):
Good?

Speaker 1 (49:21):
How are you gentlemen?

Speaker 5 (49:23):
I want to ask you a question. Do you know
when the me too movement ended. No, when it was
when Tara Reid accused Biden of raping her.

Speaker 1 (49:36):
Oh, I didn't know that. I didn't realize that.

Speaker 5 (49:39):
Yeah, Yeah, that's that's when it ended, as soon as
as soon as Biden got accused of molesting women. And
there's like six or seven of them that have accused
him of that, but you'll never hear it. The other thing,
I'm a I'm a CPA and I work with businesses
and I have a client that is well known in Utah.
Won't bring the name of the business up because you

(50:00):
probably have heard of it, and I don't have their
permission to talk about their business. But I want to
talk about Osha. In twenty nineteen, they came into his
factory and they used they use a fiberglass sprain system
in a bit a in an area of the factory,
and he required their employees when they're spraying fiberglass to

(50:21):
wear these masks. He got fined for each time that
that mask had been used by these different employees because
they said that respiratory masks on people were harmful to
their respiratory health. That was in twenty.

Speaker 2 (50:36):
Nineteen, twenty nineteen. Well, they certainly they pivoted from that
position not long after twenty nineteen.

Speaker 1 (50:45):
Well that's Osha, that's Osha.

Speaker 5 (50:46):
That's not Faucy, that's you know, yeah, come in both ways.
The other thing I want to I would suggest to
Trump Robert F. Kennedy junior Attorney General.

Speaker 1 (50:57):
Ooh, that'd be fun. His father was attorney general. Yeah,
that one time. Interesting point. Thanks fans. You're on the
Rod and Greg show. Can I just say something. We're
watching the convention right now, right, we've got on one
of the monitors here in the studio, and they actually
brought real Americans out on the stage. Can you believe that?

Speaker 8 (51:15):
Greg?

Speaker 1 (51:15):
I mean real American like like the RNC did every night.
And there are usually three or four couples out there, right,
but this is a couple whose son is being held
hostage by Hamas.

Speaker 8 (51:26):
Good.

Speaker 1 (51:27):
What a bunch of hypocrites, I know. I mean, side
there doys outside the doors at the convention center. You
got Palestinium protesters praising Hamas, and inside this convention center
they're crying because this poor boy is being held hostage,
which is sad, and we understand that, but come on.

Speaker 2 (51:44):
You know, I wonder if Biden would say that the
you know, the protesters and the pro terrorists, that they
have a point in front of that those two parents
right now. I wonder if he'd make that same point
he made it on Monday night in front of these two.

Speaker 1 (51:55):
Yeah, maybe maybe they should say they should have said,
mister Biden, they don't have a point. No, they're killers,
they're rapists. They burn and killed children. They did it
to how many what's the numbers at fourteen hundred Israelis
back on October seventh, I think that was the number.
And so they don't have a point, mister president. Their
point is to kill every Jew on the face of

(52:16):
the planet.

Speaker 2 (52:16):
There's no moral equivalency to any of it, and to
suggest there is. They're just they're trying to tamp down
their political opponents for no better reason than to win
an election, and they will say anything to do it.

Speaker 12 (52:28):
Ye.

Speaker 2 (52:28):
And that's the sad part is that that's what they
accused Trump of. They accused Trump of doing things he
hadn't done, like in Charlottesville, and then they do it
right in front of our eyes, the very thing that
they screamed and protest about.

Speaker 1 (52:40):
As I mentioned before the break, Kamala Harris is known
for her cooking abilities. Yes, we didn't realize that she
also knows how to cook The books apparently earn Joe Biden.
There was a reporter on today that the federal government
overestimated the number of jobs in the US economy by
eight hundred and eighteen thousand between April twenty third March

(53:01):
twenty fourth March of twenty twenty four. Joining us on
our news micro line to help us understand all of
this is our good friend Gary Giggy. Gary, of course,
is with Giggee Capital Management. Gary. Great to have you
back on the show. Thanks for joining us The Rodden
Greg Show tonight. Gary, how are you.

Speaker 10 (53:16):
I'm good, guys, happy to be here.

Speaker 1 (53:18):
All right? They missed it by almost a million, Gary,
How did they do that? It was so close?

Speaker 10 (53:24):
Gary, Yeah, there's no sugarcoating. The obstacles of this are horrible, horrible,
and so just to give our listeners a little background,
what's going on is that every year the Labor Department
updates their data because the jobs report that we talk
about all the time ROD is based on a survey monthly.

(53:45):
It's not a scientific number, it's a survey. And then
they go back and they use actual state income tax data,
which is more comprehensive, more reliable, but it's not as timely.
So in February of next year you'll get a final
note number of what the exact reduction is. But the
Wall Street Journal is reporting that it could be as

(54:07):
high as eight hundred and eighteen thousands. I see other
people saying about a million. Any Way you look at this,
it looks horribly because a lot of the jobs that
were reported to have been created weren't, and the jobs
that were created looks like they could have gone to
undocumented workers, and so the American people may not have
benefited at all to the extent that it was portrayed

(54:29):
that they had. So this looks horrible, and I think
there's no way to sugarcoat that.

Speaker 2 (54:34):
So my question is, and I'm seeing some takes here.
They're speaking with Commerce Biden's Commerce Secretary, Gina Romando, runs
the US Bureau of Economic Analysis, and and the person
interviewing her brings up this this eight hundred and eighteen
thousand dollars blip right, this mistake. She really says with

(54:55):
a straight face that she's unaware, she's not familiar with
the a the statistic or the group that's that's put
it out there, is this surreal? I mean, what, how
how are you seeing this? Biden Harris administration account for
or or excuse this, uh this mistake.

Speaker 10 (55:16):
Well, Greg, the Labor Department falls within the executive branch
of government, and so they do create these numbers to
the to the extent that the Biden administration knew about it,
it's a scandal. However, you know the numbers themselves. I
got to think that Guinio Romando knows exactly what this

(55:38):
is but just didn't want to address it because it
is it does not look good. Now, this isn't this
is an annual thing that takes place. It just hasn't
taken place to this extent for a long long time.
And so if she doesn't know, Greg, it begs the
question of why she doesn't know, because she should. And
and again, the jobs report monthly, it's just a survey,

(56:01):
so it is not scientific in nature. But this more
revised number is more scientific and all adds a lot
of credibility to it. So if the jobs that were
created went to a lot of undocumented workers, I'm not
a political guy like Greg, but if I were the
Trump Department. I would be hitting this really hard, Gerry.

Speaker 1 (56:21):
What about you know? I heard this argument today coming
on one of the legacy media. Well, Donald Trump had
to revise his numbers down to like five hundred thousand
one time, so it's really not that big of a deal.
I mean, I mean, is that a fair argument that
they're making, Gary, It is.

Speaker 10 (56:36):
A fair argument that that numbers were revised down to him.
They haven't been re revised to this extent. I think
it read for like fifty years or something like that.
That so it's been a long time since they've been revised.
But they do get revised up or down every single year.

Speaker 7 (56:52):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (56:53):
Wow, Yeah, I guess I guess. The last question for
me true real quickly is so where do you go
from here? I mean, are they going? I know that
Trump campaign should talk about this is something that's very relevant.
What about the Fed? I mean, does this because honestly
they're holding off lowering interest rates? Does this does this
color those decisions from the Fed? These new numbers?

Speaker 10 (57:15):
Greg, I'm so glad you asked that question. So the
Chairman of the Fed, J Pal, is going to be
giving a speech from Jackson Hole this this on Friday, yes,
it is really widely watched around the world, so incredibly important.
So I got to think, I mean, if I were
channeling in him, he knows that this number came out
pro and he knows how bad it looks. So this

(57:38):
begs the question is is the Fed going to lower
interest rates by more than what's expected in September? So
right now, the market's expecting that the Federal Reserve is
going to lower interest rates by a quarter of a point,
but it could be as high as a half a point.
And if and if it is a half a point,
then the language the chair pal uses on Friday and

(57:59):
speed which is going to be really interesting because I
think he's going to lay the groundwork for what the
FED may do in September. So that is a that
is a speech I'm going to be listening to closely.
I think most of Wall Street will be as well.

Speaker 1 (58:13):
Gary w Yeah, go ahead.

Speaker 10 (58:15):
I was gonna say, a great question, Greg, because that's
really the lens through which the economy and the market
should be looked right now, is what is the FED
going to do with this and other data that that
comes out? And it's super important because the Fed has
been raising interest rates and now they're going to be
lowering interest rates. Whether it's twenty five basis points or
a half in September, I don't know, but they're definitely

(58:36):
going to be lowering interest rates.

Speaker 1 (58:38):
Gary, I don't know if you want comment on this,
but I'm going to ask you this question. Anyways, this
idea of a twenty five percent wealth tags on unrealized gains,
what is that all about?

Speaker 10 (58:50):
Gary, stupidest idea ever. And so I saw in Europe
that they had had a wealth tax in the past,
and and and I think it did not work well
at all. But the very idea that you can tax
someone for an asset they have not sold is ludicrous.
It is really a stupid idea. And it would decimate

(59:12):
family farms, family owned businesses, that that that that that
that have been in their family for generation. This is
really stupid. It really is.

Speaker 1 (59:20):
Well, Gary, what about like a homeowner, Let's say the
value of their home is increased. Would they be taxing
on that, Gary?

Speaker 10 (59:27):
Theoretically yes, I haven't heard them talk about that, but
but but they could, but they could go after anything
if they chose to. I don't think this is this
is going to be passed just because I said, it
really is a stupid idea.

Speaker 1 (59:40):
You're right, Gary, Hey, Gary, we always appreciate a few
minutes of your time and your thorough analysis all the time. Gary,
thanks and enjoyed the rest of the evening.

Speaker 10 (59:48):
You bet, guys, have a good night.

Speaker 1 (59:49):
Thank you, Ary Giggy with Giggee Capital Management and any
spot on. I mean, the unrealized gains tax on unrealized game,
the stupidest idea anybody has ever come up with. And
then you've got the Biden administration line through their teeth
about the jobs they've greed.

Speaker 2 (01:00:06):
Yeah, yeah, it's it's just, it's just it's a gift
that keeps on giving. It's like a Jelly of the
month club. This, this Biden administration, it's a gift that
keeps on giving.

Speaker 1 (01:00:14):
And I think sooner or later, well I only hope
sooner or later all of this catches up to Kamala
Harris hasn't as of yet, because the media is protecting her.
But how much longer can they protect her?

Speaker 2 (01:00:25):
She's in this cocoon called the convention, she's having her
This is political patentry at its worst or best, depending
on how you're looking at it. But it our as
our guest Jason Chafit said earlier in the show today, Uh,
there is a reckoning coming. There is going to be
a time where she is going to have to to
talk to the American people. She is going to have
to engage in retail politics, or if she doesn't, I

(01:00:48):
think there will be a consequence. I think it will
be too glaringly obvious. I mean, remember, one of the
reasons you could hide Biden in a basement was because
you had COVID.

Speaker 1 (01:00:57):
You had COVID. You don't have that now.

Speaker 2 (01:00:59):
She the retail politics of what she does not know
how to engage in, is going to She's gonna have
to learn how try or if she avoids it, I
think there's a consequence to that.

Speaker 5 (01:01:08):
Well.

Speaker 1 (01:01:08):
On Axios today, Greg, they talked about Harris's cautious hold
the details campaign, and they wrote about this and basically
they've said, you know, a since declaring her candidacy, she
has done no interviews or she hadn't done any any
news conferences right now. And they talked about her cautionus
approach as vice president, and she's taking a very cautious

(01:01:29):
approach here. The American people don't want caution during this
race right now. They want to know where you stand
because this is such a critical election right now, and
I don't know how long the American public will stand for.

Speaker 2 (01:01:42):
Well, there's a saying in politics, frame or be framed. Okay,
frame the issue or you're going to be framed. And
I'm going to tell you right now that if she
wants to stay quiet, let the Republicans, the Republican Party,
the Trump campaign, let us all frame what we're seeing
in real time because there are some ideas that she
has proffered that are as scary or, as Gary said,

(01:02:03):
as dumb as can be. I will frame it if
she doesn't want to frame or be framed, and we're
happy to do the work for her. If she doesn't want.

Speaker 1 (01:02:11):
To, we roll along with Rod and Greg right here
on Utah's Talk Radio one oh five nine k n
R S. All right, let's go to the phones tonight.
We haven't had a chance to talk to any of
our listeners tonight, so let's talk with Gary, who's in
Roy tonight here on the Rodding Greg Show. Hi, Hi Gary,
how are you.

Speaker 12 (01:02:27):
Good? Guys? How are you doing?

Speaker 1 (01:02:28):
We're doing well? Thank you?

Speaker 12 (01:02:32):
So I had two points? One was your last Gary
givey or whatever they wanted to talk to you. Guys
all thought that that. I think it was the I
forget what it's called, but the unrealized capital gains tax
or whatever.

Speaker 1 (01:02:48):
Yeah, yeah, the unrealized text.

Speaker 12 (01:02:50):
You all said that, right. I think it's part of
the plan. I think that's part of the you'll own
nothing and like it plan.

Speaker 2 (01:02:58):
Yeah, I get I agree with you that it is
a confiscation of wealth that unrealized. It's the most ridiculous
thing I've ever heard. What would you do if if
whatever it is that you think accumulated an unrealized gain,
what if it went down? Does the government give you
a refund back? They don't. They're not going to do that.

Speaker 12 (01:03:15):
No, Yeah, they just charge. Talking about with the houses, yes, right,
and you talk about with the houses. That's just the
way people can't afford to have a house, can you?

Speaker 1 (01:03:26):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (01:03:26):
Could you imagine being yes, if you could be taxed
on the equity that that you have under you're just
you haven't realized, you haven't sold it, but your house
has a higher appraise value, you'd pay tax on that
that growth? Give me a break?

Speaker 12 (01:03:41):
Well, imagine imagine you know, with the bump you know
after COVID when all the housing went up and then
then I was going back down. It'd be people being
forced to sell. They wouldn't be able to afford the taxes.

Speaker 2 (01:03:53):
Would be And I think you're right, real quick, it's
a bigger plan, right.

Speaker 12 (01:03:58):
The other thing, real quick is for RFK Junior. I
have to give credit to Buddy mine, he suggested, head
of the CIA. That would be and hilarious.

Speaker 1 (01:04:09):
Yes, it would. Wouldn't it time to bust them up?

Speaker 5 (01:04:11):
Boy?

Speaker 1 (01:04:13):
Pull back the curtain? A would that would be interesting? Gary?
Thanks for your phone call. The Attorney general would be interesting?
It would I think I think Ted cru is going
to be the next Attorney general. That would be my gift.
Maybe Michaely, but I think Ted Cruz.

Speaker 2 (01:04:28):
I'll take any Any of those names sound good to me.

Speaker 1 (01:04:30):
I I we need, we just need, we need fairness,
Yes we do. That's still what we need.

Speaker 2 (01:04:36):
If we do we did this that just going after
people politically. And look, sometimes I worry that the only
way we're going to get the left and these leftists
attention is if you give them a dose of their
own medicine. But but you don't want to go that far.
You don't want to weaponize on the other side of this, uh,
federal investigative powers and things like that. Uh, their empathy
would raise pretty quickly and they'd realize why this is

(01:04:57):
such a bad thing to do. But I just don't
I don't think we're wired that way. I don't think
we're going to do we would do that. But with so,
with that said, we get Trump elected and get some
people with some ethics in there that respect the American people.
I love Mike Lee because he's been railing on these
FISA warrants and he's warrant you know, surveillance of Americans
without actually warrants. Uh, he's since they've existed, he's been

(01:05:18):
complaining about it. Everybody I've heard from members of Congress
who have gotten a note tell me that they thought
he was a little bit These were logical extremes that
Senator Lee was worried about and said, boy was he
ever right? Yeah, And so I wouldn't you love it
the eyes and ears like a guy like him looking
out for our civil liberties.

Speaker 1 (01:05:34):
Well, and we and we definitely needed tonight. All right, Well,
we're watching the d n C. We're also paying attention
to what's going on up on Capitol Hill, I know,
is the Senate still debating. They are still debating. They're
still debating. So that's going to be This will be
going to the night easily.

Speaker 8 (01:05:48):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:05:50):
The house next to the house next they'll probably have
a robust debate over there. That's the house, you know,
that's the arena.

Speaker 1 (01:05:56):
That house.

Speaker 2 (01:05:56):
This is this is like a tank of shambous sharks
or in captivity.

Speaker 1 (01:06:01):
The Senate.

Speaker 2 (01:06:01):
They don't they've never had a tough day, that Senate,
the Senate. The house, that's a tank. That's a shark tank. Boy,
that's where the fur is gonna fly.

Speaker 1 (01:06:08):
Do they even allow you into the Senate chambers anymore?

Speaker 6 (01:06:11):
No?

Speaker 2 (01:06:12):
You know, I gave him a I gave him one
of those carbon monoxide detectors because I swear there's a
gas leak in there. There's so slow moving, it's like
they they're under something. They've been breathing carbon monoxide or something.
So but it's over there. You'll get over the house.
But tomorrow, boy, after this is hopefully passed, we should
get Speaker Shultz er, President Adams On and or even
the spots. Senator Cullomore. He's the assistant whipping in that

(01:06:35):
in the Senate is done a great job. He's the
bill sponsor. Anyway, there's just people working very hard in
real time right now and to keep us from becoming California.

Speaker 1 (01:06:44):
Well, don't make don't make fun of Stewart Adams because
you know he paid for that lavish dinner you and
I had in Milwaukee during the That was at a
truck stop gas station. That was like, yeah, come on,
that was high end dinner. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:06:57):
People could see the food that we ate, the power
brokers and what they were eating, and they were.

Speaker 1 (01:07:02):
Feeding us, and he paid for it. He wouldn't let it.
He said, no, no, I'll get in trouble if you
pay for it. I'll pay for it. Well, slim gems man,
they get they can get up there in price.

Speaker 5 (01:07:09):
What was it?

Speaker 1 (01:07:09):
It was the uh salambie wrapped cheese six.

Speaker 2 (01:07:13):
Yeah, they were good. Actually, I hate to admit I
actually enjoyed it. I did at what at eleven thirty?

Speaker 1 (01:07:21):
Yeah, all right, Kamala and her crime, we'll talk about
that coming up on the Rod and Greg show right
here on Utah's Talk radio one oh five nine knrs.

Speaker 2 (01:07:31):
So they're voting right now. Sometimes the Senate likes to
stand up and explain their votes, so instead of having
a quick vote, we're having a little bit of a
slower vote.

Speaker 1 (01:07:39):
If I was in the House like to slam the Senate,
Oh yes I do.

Speaker 2 (01:07:42):
And I'll tell you If I was in the House
waiting for this bill to be sent over and I
kept watching this, I would be like, are you serious?
There's more to say? You've had it for how long?
So right now we're at twelve ya's, four nay's. To
get to two thirds of believe it's twenty or twenty
one they're going to need out of the twenty nine
member body. I'm I'm sure they have it, but we
just now we have another senator getting up to speak

(01:08:04):
in opposition. This is going to take them forever. This
is why the Senate can't have nice things, because they
just don't know how to vote and do anything in
a timely way, Mike.

Speaker 1 (01:08:14):
And then it will go to the House tonight.

Speaker 2 (01:08:15):
Yes, and then that's where the fur flies, and that's
where the shark tank is, and you'll see a lot
of you see some sharp elbows, and there'll be some
fun debate going on over there, and then they'll but
when they vote, they vote. They don't get to talk
about they get to narrate the vote.

Speaker 1 (01:08:26):
They get to vote.

Speaker 2 (01:08:27):
It's no color commentary, you just vote.

Speaker 1 (01:08:29):
Yeah, yeah, all right, Well we'll keep our eye on
that before we wrap up here in just about twenty
twenty five minutes from now. But right now, another issue
facing Kamala Harris is her record on crime and as
a prosecutor. Now they're going to try and paint her
as someone who is very, very tough on crime. But
you know, really, if you read some of the stories,
she wasn't so tough, was she.

Speaker 2 (01:08:50):
No, No, well, it's just just more of Kamala Harris.
It depends on when you talk to her, what race,
what the climate was she it's she has a bit
of a yeah yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:09:01):
Sure as well. There is obviously a divide between what
Americans want about crime and what politicians want. Joining us
on any of our Newsmaker line to talk about that
is Josh Crawford Josh As, Director of Criminal Justice Initiatives
at the Georgia Center for Opportunity. Josh, thanks for joining
us tonight. Let's talk about the divide between Americans and politicians.

(01:09:22):
How wide of a divide is it, Josh, There really.

Speaker 11 (01:09:26):
Hasn't been much. Crime was mentioned in passing only a
couple of times the first night of the convention, and
Vice President Harris has a somewhat mixed record on the
issue from her time versus a prosecutor in San Francisco,
as California Attorney General, and then as a United States Senator,
and so it's really difficult at this point for Americans

(01:09:49):
to have a real grasp on what Vice President Harris
would do on the issues of crime and public safety
if elected president.

Speaker 2 (01:09:56):
Here's my question. You listen to President Biden. He says
that the crime violent crime has fallen more precipitously than
is in recorded history. So everything is clear, everything is fine,
Chicago's safe again. This is a record that Kamala Harris
has to own.

Speaker 1 (01:10:14):
Is she is she?

Speaker 2 (01:10:15):
Do you is she going to try and ride that
horse that all crime has gone down from the statistics
that President Biden mentioned?

Speaker 1 (01:10:22):
Is your prediction? Do you think that's where she's going
to go?

Speaker 11 (01:10:25):
That has been a major talking point of the Biden administration,
their allies and the media and their allies in Congress.
And there's some data to suggest that certain violent crimes
especially homicide, are down. They come from incomplete and fragmented
data sets collected by the FBI. They're typically official data

(01:10:45):
that come from police reports, whereas the victimization surveys that
are also conducted within the Justice Department indicate that most
violent crime is up still quite substantially, and so on. Unfortunately,
inadequate or bad data really makes it unclear from a
statistical standpoint to determine is violent crime up or down substantially.

(01:11:09):
What we know is that violent crime, especially homicide, is
still up historically compared to the early twenty tens, two thousand,
thirteen fourteen that was sort of the violent crime troth
in this country. So I expect that that will be
a major.

Speaker 4 (01:11:23):
Talking point of THEIRS.

Speaker 1 (01:11:25):
Josh, you wrote about this a few months ago in
an article I saw on the Heel. But how big
is the divide between politicians and what they want to
do on crime and the American voter and what they'd
like to see done when it comes to the issue
of crime. How big a divide does exist right now?

Speaker 11 (01:11:41):
It's pretty substantial. And here's why. The talking points that
you heard from President Biden and the talking points like
I said that I anticipate you will continue to hear
are entirely about national statistics nationally as crime up, nationally,
as crime down. But the truth, of course, is that
no one lives in the nation. They live in neighborhoods
and communities, and what is going on in your neighborhood

(01:12:02):
or community is your reality when it comes to crime.
If you live in a neighborhood with a high rate
of violence, it doesn't matter what the national rate is doing.
Your neighborhood isn't safe. And that's the mistake that I
think a lot of politicians make when they point to
national numbers like this is the national number, maybe the
experience of some Americans. For a lot of suburban Americans,
it is that experience. But for Americans and cities, especially

(01:12:26):
parts of cities with high rates of violence, that's just
not the norm for.

Speaker 8 (01:12:29):
Them, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:12:30):
And you bring up a really good point, because the
fragment and data that you talked about, if you have
what I've read is up to as much as a
third of those law enforcement agencies or those reporting entities
that have been typically reporting violent crimes are not reporting
under the current system. Well, then I don't know how
you wouldn't go down if it's absent a third of

(01:12:51):
those who had otherwise reported, Or you're comparing data from
a time where you had a take up rate of
all of these areas around the country versus one that
has that's missing a lot of that, so of course
that national number will look different. Chicago had twenty people
that were shot over the weekend before this convention started.
I think four have died. At least that's the reality

(01:13:12):
from people that would live in the Chicago area. Is
the message getting across or can this media really dress
this up and give you statistics that don't comport with
what you're seeing or feeling in your own community. Are
they going to get away with saying that we're just
we're fine here, move along, folks, everything's great.

Speaker 11 (01:13:31):
I don't think so. Now, most voters are multi issue voters,
and so it may still be a message that prevails,
not because the message itself prevails, but because other messages prevail. Right,
But what we're seeing in the polling data from everyone
from Republican primary voters, so typically your most conservative voters,
to urban black voters, this is an issue of concern.

(01:13:56):
It's less of an issue concern frankly for suburban white
voters where neighborhoods tend to be safer and it's not
their reality. But for those individuals in communities both rural
and urban, where they've seen explosions of things like carjackings
and drive by shootings, but also things like overdose deaths
and smash and grab burglaries, it's a major concern for

(01:14:19):
those populations. Will it be an issue that tips the
scales one direction or the other, It's unclear, but we
saw in twenty twenty two in some congressional races that
it really made a difference, and we're seeing as it
relates to public safety, infrastructure positions, elected prosecutors in particular
and mayors in cities that essentially the most pro public

(01:14:42):
safety candidates tend to be winning these races. In some cases,
it's Republicans winning races that you wouldn't normally expect them to,
and in other cases it's sort of your most law
and order democrat winning crowded primary.

Speaker 1 (01:14:54):
So, Josh, we are starting to see some movement in
these urban areas or areas where there are crime rates
where voters have said, we've had enough with your leadership,
we want new leadership to do something about this. So
we are starting to see some changes. Is that fair
to say?

Speaker 11 (01:15:10):
Yeah, that's absolutely true. And a lot of times those
changes are not Democrat to Republican changes. There's some of that,
but the primary way that that is manifesting itself is
sort of the re emergence of the pro law and
order democrat from the nineteen nineties getting involved in some
of these primaries and winning primaries in places like Houston,
Texas and Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, winning a lot of these DA

(01:15:33):
races around the country in places even like Portland, Oregon.
And you're seeing it in recall efforts for elected officials
in cities as blue as Washington, d C.

Speaker 1 (01:15:41):
All right, thank you for joining us. As Josh Crawford,
Director key of Criminal Justice Initiatives at the Georgia Center
for Opportunity. Crime is going to be a big issue, Greg.
I mean, you've got inflation, you've got the economy in general,
you've got the border, and you've got crime.

Speaker 2 (01:15:58):
You know, Josh said, though they felt like if you
live in the suburbs, you might not be feeling it.
I got to tell you there are people that are
moving away from what used to be very nice neighborhoods
because of the crime. It's happening even in neighborhoods and
places that you wouldn't imagine. It's getting worse, I think
across the board.

Speaker 1 (01:16:16):
Yeah, it's going to be an issue, and of course
the Democrats are going to try and make abortion the issue.
But I think everyday Americans they are looking at the
grocery bill and saying, common Up put on price controls
for us, so we don't have to pay this.

Speaker 2 (01:16:29):
Yeah, yeah, that'll looks Yeah it won't. And again, you go,
if she wants to make a what they call it
the social what they call it the culture war, she
wants to go into the culture wars as her main issue,
there's not a lot of There's not a good record
for that on either side, whether you're conservative, Republican, Democrat, liberal.
If culture wars are your top issue and not the

(01:16:52):
most relevant issues facing voters Americans, that's not a formula
for success or it hasn't been up till now.

Speaker 8 (01:16:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:16:58):
Well, let me tell you what, folks on this whole
this whole price control thing. As many of you know,
my father was in the grocery business for a long
long time. The markup on groceries right now. I think
Jason mentioned it earlier. May have changed over the years,
but it's about one point six percent. So you know,
grocery stores aren't making a ton of money.

Speaker 2 (01:17:16):
That was I saw that that margin for I think
Kroger's that one of the large food chains here recently.
And so yeah, that's the gouging that she's talking about. Again,
it doesn't exist.

Speaker 1 (01:17:26):
There's no such thing.

Speaker 2 (01:17:28):
A lot of our smart callers called in and said,
it's fuel, it's the cost of transportation there.

Speaker 1 (01:17:33):
So it's inflation.

Speaker 2 (01:17:34):
It's all the things they've created by printing money and
devaluing it that's really impacted the cost of groceries and
everything else, everything.

Speaker 1 (01:17:41):
Else, that's for sure. All right, Final segment of the
Rod and Greg Show coming up right here on Utah's
Talk Radio one oh five nine a NRS. So your father,
all right, Greg, put it this way, Okay. Your father
is expected is addressing the Democratic National Convention. Okay, and
he is married to Kamala Harris. So you would think

(01:18:02):
that as a child, you're invited to be there. You
dress up a little bit, right, Yeah, No, Aamala Harris's stepdaughter,
Ella M Hoff is being roasted today on social media
for the outfit she wore. It's basically a Paris lax
and a casual shirt and hat.

Speaker 5 (01:18:20):
And that was it.

Speaker 8 (01:18:21):
That was it.

Speaker 2 (01:18:23):
Now, contrast that with the the Trump family and even
Don Junior's daughter guy that spoke at the convension, and
how they were dressed, how they were received, and how
they how they attended the convention. Different different different approach,
different minds.

Speaker 1 (01:18:37):
Well, let me say, let me just show you. Okay, here,
here is the picture of this gray We can't show
it on the radio, but this what she wore.

Speaker 2 (01:18:47):
Oh okay, huh, yeah, it's it's I would say, that's
not that she didn't address to the to the occasion.
I think she's it's it's just it's it's not even
nice casual wear. It's baggy. It's it's just a T shirt,
it's a trucker hat. It's some people called it creepy. Yeah,

(01:19:09):
it's it's just it is it's just it's almost mocking it. Yeah,
what it looks like to me, I don't know what
the kids are wearing though. Maybe that's all the rage.
Maybe that's great.

Speaker 1 (01:19:16):
Well, we're kind of out of the we don't care
what we wear demo anymore, don't we Yeah?

Speaker 11 (01:19:21):
I care.

Speaker 1 (01:19:22):
I actually I like to wear nice clothes.

Speaker 2 (01:19:24):
But you always dress well. I try, I try, but
you know, weird, but you dress well well. Thank you,
thanks for noticing. Hey, you know what I'm looking at
this right now. Nielsen ratings twenty two percent, down, less
viewers watching this than in the twenty sixteen race. I
don't know why they're compared to twenty sixteen. Twenty.

Speaker 1 (01:19:44):
I mean we have twenty twenty figures. Yeah, I mean,
we do have a modern society anymore.

Speaker 5 (01:19:48):
I know.

Speaker 2 (01:19:49):
So it says the first night, and it's uh, oh,
I know why because if I read this a little closer,
because it was a it was a virtual convention in
twenty twenty, so those numbers.

Speaker 1 (01:19:58):
Are that's right, that's correct. She just did that ideal.

Speaker 2 (01:20:01):
So it was kind of an outlier at twenty twenty
for both parties. They had virtual campaigns. But but from
the one, the last live one to this one, they're
down sixteen sixteen percent, twenty two percent, and they had
about nine combined with all the different networks, about nineteen
million people watching. I think it's I mean this Nielsen

(01:20:21):
rings show that I don't think people are as excited
about as the regime media would tell you. Everyone's so
there's not so much energy.

Speaker 1 (01:20:28):
So much it's joyful. Who was the joy Reid said,
I have never seen this many smiles on this many
Democrats in years.

Speaker 8 (01:20:35):
You know what?

Speaker 2 (01:20:36):
So you know what I did, So, she described, I
know I am. So we're gonna we only have like
a mant left.

Speaker 1 (01:20:42):
I have that we have like ten seconds. Well listen,
just hold it tomorrow, hold so tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (01:20:48):
Some of the some of the observations from regime media,
even ripping on the last of this convention, was pretty funny.

Speaker 1 (01:20:53):
Mike Schultz has agreed to come on the show tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (01:20:55):
Absolutely, and there the house is hearing the constitutional moment debate, right.

Speaker 1 (01:21:00):
All right, head up, shoulders back. May God bless you
and your great family in this great country of ours.
Rod and Greg back with you tomorrow.

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