The Rod and Greg Show: Day 4 of the DNC; Utah Speaker Mike Schultz on Proposed Ballot Initiative Constitutional Amendment

5:05 pm: Utah Speaker of the House Mike Schultz joins the show for a conversation about the ballot initiative amendment passed by Utah lawmakers during yesterday's special session and will now be on the ballot for voters to consider during November's election.

5:38 pm: David Harsanyi, Senior Editor for The Federalist, joins Rod and Greg to discuss his piece for the New York Post on why he is so exhausted by what's happening at the Democratic National Convention. 

6:05 pm: FreedomWorks Economist Steve Moore joins the guys for their weekly conversation about politics and the nation's economy.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
We're talking about what's going on at the Democratic National Convention.
And I'll tell you what, Greg, there is a lot
going on, that's for sure, and you know, all of
this is it's just kind of interesting to see how
they're trying to play this out and see what's going
on with it. I mean, it's really it's pretty amazing.

Speaker 2 (00:17):
Well, we had one heck of a show at the
top of the man we were dropping truth bombs like
you can't believe. And thank goodness, we have such loyal
listeners that we're saying we can't hear.

Speaker 3 (00:31):
We appreciate that.

Speaker 2 (00:32):
We know you couldn't came in pretty quick that the
gremlins were in control of the board, and so we
have our good engineers, hell and others that got in here.
But yeah, like where we where we were with our show,
we have some really some clips of Walls, Governor Walls,

(00:54):
you know, the trip to the hardware store, the macaroni
and cheese guy. They just they just decided to just
completely lie in this convention. They're just doubling down and
really not they're not even concerned. It worries me that
they will say things that are so verifiably untrue, But
They're not really worried about it.

Speaker 1 (01:15):
Are Theyeah, No, they they're worried about it. And you know,
it's so frustrating, Greg Is. It's lie after lie after
lie that have already been so No, that's not true,
that's not true. They've been told it over and over again.
Yet they keep on repeating the lie after lie after lie.

Speaker 2 (01:32):
Yeah, and I'm afraid to see coded to a clip
to see if it would work, but because I don't
know if the gremlins have given permission for our clips
to work this given day. But but yeah, we have
the we have the audio evidence. I mean, just so
you know, President Trump has never said he wants a
national abortion band. This, This would be a lie. He

(01:53):
is not the author of the twenty twenty five project.
This is a Heritage Foundation nine hundred page piece of
war that has had tons of different authors and contributors
to it, of which President Trump said, this is not
my administration and it's not a blueprint. I'm not. You
can't keep attaching that to me. But they do, and
we have clips of them just continuing to say it.

Speaker 1 (02:14):
For those of you may have missed, here are a
few of the audio clips from Tim Walls and his
address to the convention last night. Let's play just a
few of those.

Speaker 4 (02:22):
So here this is the part clip and save it
and send it to your undecided relatives so they know.
If your middle class family or a family trying to
get into the middle class, Kamala Harris is going to
cut your taxes. If you're getting squeezed by prescription drug prices,
Kamala Harris is going to take on big Pharma. If

(02:46):
you're hoping to buy a home, Kamala Harris is going
to help make it more affordable. And no matter who
you are, Kamala Harris is going to stand up and
fight for your freedom to live the life that you
want to lead, because that's what we want for ourselves
and it's what we want for our neighbors. You know,

(03:10):
you might not know it, but I haven't given a
lot of big speeches like this, but I have given
a lot of pep talks. So let me finish with
this team.

Speaker 3 (03:28):
It's the fourth quarter. We're down a field.

Speaker 4 (03:33):
Goal, but we're on offense and we've got the ball.

Speaker 1 (03:36):
I don't think that makes any difference if they've got
the ball right now, do you?

Speaker 3 (03:39):
Greg No?

Speaker 2 (03:40):
And I don't know what they're talking about. Down by three,
we're down by what's what's inflation? We're down by a billion. Okay,
we're round by a lot. It's like, you don't want
you want your prices jacked up, Kamala Harris, the prices
are through the roof. And she's on day one and ten, Yeah,
on the clock in that White House. And so there's
just such a disconnect. Again, you want your Medicare, you

(04:01):
want your Social Security to stay there, and your Medicare
and Medicaid. Trump's Nott said one word, He's never sa
this is such a tired, you know, accusation that the
Democrats always love to say. Republicans are to take away
your social security. They try. They only know how to
make people afraid. They don't have anything that they want
to do that inspires or actually that they can actually
do or have done. It's just none of those things

(04:24):
that he was saying that Kamala Harris could fix. Has
she ever touched and done well on the job, And
she's on the job. And none of the things that
he's saying that Trump would do to the American people
that would be that would harm them. Did he do
in the four years he was president, or that he
is campaigned campaigned on now it's all contrived.

Speaker 1 (04:41):
Well, and here's the thing, and we need to remind
people the Democrats have been in charge Greg as you
know since two thousand and eight, since Barack Obama took over.
During that period from two thousand and eight to twenty
twenty four where we are today, Donald Trump was there
for four years and maybe ok Obama was eight. Joe
Biden has head twelve.

Speaker 2 (05:00):
So there's twelve accumulive years that they've been running the
show Democrats, whether it's Obama and now Biden for four
years with Harris, and you've had Trump for those those
four years between Biden, Obama and Biden, and you're honestly
going to just keep on talking. I mean Obama used
to do us all the time for his eight years.
He always went back to Bush. It was always Bush's fault.
By the way, I hope this isn't true. I just

(05:21):
saw a rumor that George Bush might show up at
this DNC convention tonight. Yeah, I had better be a
bad rumor. If that happens, I will lose my mind.
Whether Democrats genuinely hate George Bush and Obama never gave
him a fair day ever when he was everything that
went wrong was always George Bush's fault. If he shows
up at that convention, what a lack?

Speaker 1 (05:42):
Where's I am? Now there's another rumor that there'll be
a top performer tonight at the.

Speaker 2 (05:49):
Yeah, this one. This is who they say, I blame you, you Swifties.
If she shows up, this is I blame you.

Speaker 3 (05:56):
Well.

Speaker 1 (05:56):
The rumor is it won't be Swifty, but it will
be Beyonce.

Speaker 2 (06:01):
Yeah, I'm saying. Don Lemon's giggling right now. He's saying
he's his sources are telling him George Bush, uh and
then Beyonce and Taylor Swift.

Speaker 3 (06:10):
Wow. Yeah, George Bush is not gonna show up at
this guy.

Speaker 2 (06:13):
I'll tell you what he better or not. I tell
you that if that is, that is just I mean,
the man has no self respect whatsoever. If he shows
up at this DNC you mentioned, I hope that's I
hope that's Don Lemon just being Don Lemon.

Speaker 1 (06:25):
That's a nutty, nutty rumor. All right, Let's hear more
from Tim Walls last night. Here he is talking about abortion.

Speaker 4 (06:31):
We also protected reproductive freedom because in Minnesota, we respect
our neighbors and the personal choices they make, and even
if we wouldn't make those same choices for ourselves, we've
got a golden rule. Mind your own damn business.

Speaker 1 (06:52):
Now here's the thing about minding your own damn business? Right, Yes,
didn't he set up a COVID snitch line, yes, to
report people who were violating COVID rules in Minnesota.

Speaker 3 (07:03):
So is that minding your own business?

Speaker 5 (07:05):
It is not.

Speaker 2 (07:06):
I'll tell you what else is it minding your own business?
When he sent soldiers through suburbia in the suburban Minnesota
and people were at their door with their with their
phones and looking at them marching through, and then when
they wouldn't go inside, they started shooting with paintballs. Yeah,
that that certainly doesn't seem like government's mining its own business.
With those poor homeowners they running inside the houses, they're

(07:27):
getting sprayed by these I mean, anyway, yeah, they got
It's There's there's plenty on the public record out there
that would suggest that Governor Walls is not mining his
own business. And he is absolutely in the business of everyone.
I mean, he is so far left and everyone says, well,
you know, he was a he was a moderate member
of Congress. He ran against the Republican member of Congress

(07:48):
he won. He had he knew this that the seat
was more moderate than he was. As soon as he
became governor, he went right off the left cliff as
far as he could. And by the way, why is
it reproductive when you, when you advance, encourage and promote
the death of a child like that, even babies that
are alive. They want to be able to terminate that
under the partial burst abortion strained definition.

Speaker 1 (08:10):
Yeah, well, we were talking about he is certainly the
liar in chief. We're going to give you a list
of the lives that he said last night. Listen to this.

Speaker 4 (08:18):
They'll start jacking up the costs on the middle class. No,
they'll repeal the Affordable Care Act. No, they'll got Social
Security and Medicare.

Speaker 2 (08:27):
No.

Speaker 4 (08:29):
And they will ban abortion across this country with or without.

Speaker 1 (08:34):
I mean, how many times has Donald Trump had to say,
I'm going to do what the Supreme Court said that
we need to do when it comes to the issue
of abortion greg and that is to allow each state
like Utah, to decide how they want to handle abortion.
That's what Donald Trump has said over and over again.
He has said we do not want a federal ban

(08:54):
on abortions. We'll do what the nation's highest court has said.
Yet they keep on repeating lie after lie after lie.

Speaker 2 (09:01):
And here's what's bizarre. And again, if I'm not when
I can't understand why they're doing what they're doing, it
worries me I'm missing something because even the Washington Post,
and I am surprised by this, but I've been checking
out the Washington Post after these convention nights to see
what they have to say, and you know, they're glowing
and they're reporting and everything else. But they do have
a fact checker, which we've all mocked in the past.

(09:24):
Even the fact checker can't let these big lies, these
big FIBs go. They have to point them out. They
have to point out that Donald Trump had not said
he was going to get rid of Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid,
he isn't in favor of a national abortion band, he
isn't pushing or a part of Project twenty twenty five.
I mean, they they call them out. You have CNN

(09:46):
doing it, you have Washington Post calling them out on
these verifiable lies, and they're the worst kind of lies
because they are I mean it's stuff you can actually
see is patently untrue. Whereas some of the things they
accused Trump of lying, as they said, well, he said
that Kamala Harris was a communist. She is not a
card carrying communist. That is a lie.

Speaker 6 (10:05):
Know.

Speaker 2 (10:05):
What he's saying is when you want to do price
fixing for grocery communists, when you want when you want
rent control, when you want to build public housing, public
housing use in units, you're you're He's making the argument
that her policies, the few that she's been willing to
you know, share with anyone are are things that you've
seen come out of communist countries. The government housing, the

(10:27):
price fixing of food, of goods and food and food.
That isn't a lie when he says that, that is
a that is a generalization of the type of policy
she's pursuing. When when they say that that Donald Trump is,
you know, against certain things, he's he's said the opposite
of that, that's a lie.

Speaker 3 (10:46):
There you go.

Speaker 2 (10:47):
And and so what why they're okay getting called out
by the Washington Post CNN in their own side, you know,
because it means I'm missing something here. I don't know
why they are so comfortable lying to the American people
as easily as they are.

Speaker 1 (11:03):
Well, here's the thing that throws me. Greg And while
said this and during his speech last night, housing and
healthcare are a constitutional right.

Speaker 3 (11:13):
No they aren't. They're not.

Speaker 1 (11:14):
Now that may sound insensitive, but you know, no one
is guaranteed healthcare and nobody is guaranteed housing in this country.
But the Democrats want to push that because then they
can control more of our lives, like Obamacare, that is,
to control the health that you get for you and
your family, and the same with all these housing projects.

Speaker 3 (11:34):
Come on, folks. So housing and.

Speaker 1 (11:37):
Human and health are not a guaranteed right.

Speaker 2 (11:39):
Well, you don't want them to be. Point me to
the government that's ever provided the housing, that's ever done
it this way, where the quality of life has been good. Yeah,
there isn't. The free market in this country has risen
people out of their circumstances for the better better than
any government, any un plan, any federal plan. It's been
a free market. It's been an equal opportunity, not equal

(12:02):
outcome scenario. So there isn't a government program that Harrison
Walls can promote that's going to make your life better
than your opportunities to take full advantage of a free
market and the liberty of self determination. There you go,
that's how you do it. Yeah, it's not that we
don't want people to have nice houses. Everybody wants a
nice house, Go get it. Live in a country where
you can go get it. So what I did, it's

(12:24):
what you did, what we all can do, and that's
what's beautiful about this country. They don't even they don't
understand any of that.

Speaker 3 (12:29):
No, they don't. They simply do not get it.

Speaker 1 (12:30):
Well, coming up our number two of the Rod and
Gregg Show on this Thursday afternoon, Speaker of the Utah
House Mike Schulz will join us very passionate about this
ballot initiative amendment that they passed and the Utah Legislature yesterday.
We'll talk to mind and get his reaction to it.
Coming up right here on the Rod and Gregg Show
on Utah's Talk Radio one oh five nine anrs.

Speaker 2 (12:51):
Last night, when we were ending the show, ending the program,
the Legislature was in a special session. The Senate was
taking for a verb to hear a proposed constitutional amendment
that for the voters to decide a ballot question to
amend the Constitution, and you know, just in pure Senate form,
they couldn't get it over the house fast enough where

(13:12):
we could see, you know, the action fly in the house.
So we are here and what ultimately happened? Does it passed?
But we have as our guest the Speaker of the
Utah State House, Mike Schultz, joining us on the program
to talk about this special session, the proposed amendment to
the constitution that will be on the ballot before voters.
And so welcome to the show Speaker Schultz, Hey.

Speaker 5 (13:35):
Rodin, Greg, thanks for having me. And I'm just glad
that I'm not the only one that noticed how slow
the Senate was. I had to call the Senate President
and say, I'm bringing a cattle prod over. Yeah, not
just the pokey one, an electric one. But actually, is
that get you guys moving?

Speaker 2 (13:50):
You're such a good speaker. See I offered I brought
over a carbon monoxide detector to see if they were
just maybe there was a gas link in there trying
to get them to go. You went with a cattle pride.
I think that's actually better.

Speaker 5 (14:01):
So let me well, I had I have taken them
energy drinks before, just so you know, to get them moving,
so literally energy drinks on all their deaths.

Speaker 2 (14:11):
Yeah, they need red bulls and mass over there.

Speaker 1 (14:14):
Mike, this why is this initiative, in your opinion, is
so important for Utah voters to take a look at,
to understand and to approval.

Speaker 5 (14:25):
Yeah, well, first, I think it's important to understand the
why first. And what happened is the Utah Supreme Court
gave a decision about thirty days ago, maybe a little
more than a month ago, that uphanded one hundred and
thirty years of practice here in the state of Utah
with voter initiatives and saying that the legislature can't change

(14:45):
or modify those initiatives that are passed by voters, which
is just absolutely ludicrous. And let me just give you
a real quick you know, one of the big problems
medical marijuana. We all know about medical marijuana with about
in twenty eighteen, it passed under the disguise of medical marijuana,
But inside that deal, it actually took away the enforcement

(15:10):
mechanisms the law enforcement has to arrest and convict those
that are carrying recreational marijuana. So when you take away
the enforcement mechanisms, there's no way to prosecute those that
have recreational marijuana, or even the drug dealers for that matter,
that have recreational marijuana, and so you essentially end up

(15:30):
with recreational medical marijuana. And that was done on purpose
by the people that were pushing medical marijuana, but it
was sold under the disguise of medical marijuana. So legislature,
you know this very well. Greg you were the speaker
at the time, you were the mastermind architect behind us.
You put in place the medical marijuana that the public

(15:51):
thought they were passing, but you took out the stuff
that made it recreational and the easter eggs exactly. And
that's what the that's what the special left leaning or
not even left leaning full on George Soros Arnold Foundation
groups do that are funded with millions and millions of
out of state dollars. They find something shiny and they

(16:14):
stick all this garbage in it that will change Utah
and make us just like California.

Speaker 2 (16:19):
So, Speaker, let me frame this a little bit, because
this is actually a tough issue to discuss because it's important,
as you've just stated, to know where we were, to
know where things have gone, and what you're trying to
address what I would describe for listeners is that you
are seeking to have the initiative law that's over one
hundred years old in the state of Utah be applied

(16:43):
just as it has always been. There isn't any trying
to take away any kind of citizen's right to petition
their government. All of that is to remain intact. But
what has happened is like if you go back to
nineteen seventy three, when the Roe v. Wade decision by
the US Supreme Court came and the US Supreme Court said,
you know, there's a constitution right to privacy and so
therefore for abortions legal This was a new interpretation of

(17:05):
the US Constitution that had never been interpreted that way prior,
and it created new precedent. So what you have in
the state of Utah is you have a state Supreme
Court much like in a decision of Robi Waite that
that found new new rights and new that that you
can have an initiative and never if it's passed, never
can it be amended, Never can it for unattended consequences.

(17:26):
It is law that the legislative branch can never revisit
review it's if it has a fiscal note, you have
to immediately fund it. You can't put it in the
prioritizations of taxpayer dollars for the state's budget as you
normally do. This is all brand new interpretation from the
State Supreme Court. You're really just trying to preserve the
initiative laws as it has been for the last what

(17:50):
one hundred and thirty years? Is that Is that a
fair description. I'm just trying because I know it's hard.
This is a hard issue.

Speaker 5 (17:56):
Yeah it is. It's hard to understand that, and it's
very nuanced, but you're absolutely correct. The simplest way to
explain it is, we just want to keep Utah Utah.
And you know we did not make and nor do
we ever want to make ballot initiatives any harder to pass.
And for the people to pass that is a good
check and balance on the legislature, on their government, on

(18:17):
their governor. That is an important part of the process.
But when you have special interest groups that are lining
up coming that will come into the state of Utah
and run ballot initiatives, just like they're doing in California
this year. As you know, California has over ten has
ten ballot initiatives on their ballot. That's how they can't

(18:40):
even get these things past their left liberal legislature in California.
So they go directly to the people. And the way
they do it they put something shiny in there that
like clean air. Let's just use clean air for example. Okay,
everybody wants clean air. Well buried in there is something
that shuts down our coal power plants and leave this

(19:03):
without power, or it makes this go by power. It's
five times is expensive, and so the people don't know that,
don't understand the fine print, and so that's why this
is so important.

Speaker 3 (19:14):
Mike.

Speaker 1 (19:15):
I was talking with Greg earlier, and I think he
agrees with me on this one. I think this is
going to be a very tough sell to Utah voters.
And let me tell you why. I think I agree
with everything you're trying to do. But I think Utah
voters and I think you'll see ad campaigns out there
from the outside coming in trying to convince voters that
you as lawmakers are trying to take away their vote

(19:36):
because they voted and they signed a petition to change something,
and you're telling them you can't do that. That's why
I think this is going to be a tough sell.
So how do you overcome that?

Speaker 5 (19:48):
Yeah, you're spot on, and that's exactly what's going to
happen and exactly what will happen. And by the way,
that's how they get these ballot initiatives passed. They don't.
I've seen those commercials that they ran in twenty eighteen
on Medicaid expansion when legislature wouldn't pass medicaid expansion. That's
how they got Medicaid expansions. They are not entirely honest.

(20:09):
They don't tell the whole story of the whole truth,
and we know that's what they're going to do this time.
And so the number one thing we can do is
get the word out, have these types of conversations. We
will spend as much time talking about as we possibly can,
and we are going to try to fundraise and get
people to donate. You know, we want as many grassroots

(20:29):
people to jump on board with us, fundraise, help us
run an ad campaign to get the truth out to
the voters on what this will actually do and how
it actually protects Utah and does not let us go
down the road of California.

Speaker 2 (20:44):
So Speaker shoulds I'm just going to do it. This
is a hypothetical. Okay, I'm looking at the ballots that
measures that are that they're going to vote. They have
a sixty eight billion dollar budget deficit in shortfall in California,
and while they have not enough money to pay the
bills because they don't print money in any state like
the federal government does. Here's what voters are going to
vote on. Authorized debt bonds for public schools and community

(21:04):
college facilities. Sounds great, Constitutional amendment right to marriage. I
don't know why, but they want that. I think that's settled.
Authorized debt or bonds for safe drinking water sounds great.
Wildfire prevention and climate risks. Okay, Allow allow local bonds
or debt for affordable housing and public infrastructure. Now, if

(21:25):
this was a state of Utah and those were on
the ballot right now, who's the counterpoint for every one
of those ballot measures that I just mentioned on a
statewide campaign to tell tell the other side or maybe
read all of these initiatives and the fine print and
the easter eggs. Who's who's going to make that campaign
on those just you know, I just read outed off
four of their ten How does that process work if

(21:48):
it's not at the legislative branch.

Speaker 5 (21:51):
Yeah, it doesn't. And that's that's that's the whole point
is And by the way, that's what they're telling you
in there. They don't tell you about the fine print
and the other stuff in there that you don't know about.
And so that's the whole point. And that comes back
to exactly. You know what we lived in twenty eighteen
with medicaid expansion. We killed Medicaid expansion over and over
again at the Utah legislature. Well, they took it to

(22:14):
the ballot. They said we're going to give healthcare to kids,
which was a lie. They already had health care. They
ran big, nice, fancy TV ads saying kids need health care,
and you know what, it touched the heart of the
voters and they passed it. Well. Buried in that was
a whole bunch of financial obligations that set the state
up for bankruptcy going down the road because we couldn't

(22:36):
meet the financial obligations that was buried in that deal.
And so we as you know, you know, you were
the speaker at the time, you had the charge, We
undid a lot of the financial obligations. We were able
to balance our budget. We were able to balance our
budget today because of that, But if we had not
done that, we would not have been able to provide

(22:57):
the tax tests that we've recently provided to decision of
the state. We would not be able to fund education
at the levels that we've been funded education. In fact,
there's a high likelihood that we would have had to
cut into education funding just to fund that ballot initiative
that passed. And these are things that the average voters
don't understand. One because it is kind of hard to understand.

(23:18):
But two, nobody tells them. These special interest groups go
and they spend literally tens of millions of dollars advertising
a certain narrative that plays to the hearts and minds,
and that's how they get it passed. Yeah, and we
don't We know this happens because we see it in
other states, and the Supreme Court just made this possible

(23:39):
to happen in Utah.

Speaker 1 (23:40):
And Utah lawmakers, you can't spend any money to really
educate the Utah voters on this. You aren't allowed to
do that, right, Mike.

Speaker 5 (23:48):
Now, currently we're not allowed to do that.

Speaker 1 (23:50):
Yeah, Yeah, Mike, we appreciate a few minutes of your time.
Very important issue. Hopefully we'll be able to get the
word out on this. Voters will take some time to
study it and realize what this could leaf to if
in fact, it doesn't pass.

Speaker 5 (24:01):
Thanks Mike, thank you, to thank you.

Speaker 1 (24:05):
All right, that's you to Speaker of the House, Mike Schultz,
joining us here on Talk radio one oh five nine
k and rs. Sorry, more coming up on the Rodden
Gregg Show. We just spoke with Speaker of the House
Mike Schultz about this ballot initiative issue. Lawmakers, Now this
you were explaining to me, typically to get something on
the ballot, you would need a ballot initiative in signatures, right,

(24:26):
But why can the legislature just put this issue on
the ballot without any signature?

Speaker 2 (24:31):
Yeah, So there's that's that's the citizens approach is to
get something on the ballot. This this constitutional any constitutional
moment needs a two thirds majority in the House and Senate, Okay,
to pass to qualify to go on the ballot. And
so this last night, this issue, this this question or
this constitutional moment received two thirds both in the House

(24:53):
and the Senate to qualify for the for the ballot
this November and Look, they actually ran ational bill to
change just temporarily for this year because remember, the Supreme
Court came out with this new interpretation of initiatives that's
never been done before, just thirty days ago. The typical
deadlines for they would have usually done in the last

(25:14):
general session a two thirds vote to qualify for a
ballot in November, but because this happened just thirty days
ago with the Supreme Court, they had to act fast.
And look, I'm telling you I was a member of
the legislature. I believe in a legislative branch government. I
believe in the checks and balances of these three branches
you're taking. If you're going to have initiatives that are

(25:37):
passed by initiative, not by the legislature, but you can't
consider them, you can't amend them like you would other laws.
All laws, whether it was by initiative or by the
legislative branch passing a bill, they were they become statute.
And you can always review statute for undertended consequences now
or ten years from now. But if you have this
new definition of an initiative law that no legislative body

(26:00):
could ever touch, that that is that that's taking away
your your duly elected legislator, House of Representatives or Senate
to the legislature. It takes their their power away. And
I'm gonna I told I told these guys. If you don't,
if you don't fight for your fight for your branch,
you're done in your separate equal power.

Speaker 3 (26:20):
You're done.

Speaker 2 (26:21):
You're gonna be worse than DC.

Speaker 1 (26:23):
Yeah, well, let me ask you. Have you ever signed
a petition? I'm I haven't.

Speaker 2 (26:28):
I don't think further for because of the fine print,
because you don't sit there at any supermarket or wherever
it will come out and have enough to read to
understand what you're reading. And look. I I don't like
signature gathering for candidates. I never did it. I there
were opportunities to do it when I've run for different offices,
and I didn't go the signature gathering route.

Speaker 7 (26:47):
I didn't.

Speaker 2 (26:47):
I didn't want to. A lot of people they'll sign
just as a as a goodwill gesture. They might not
even know who the candidates, but oh yeah, why don't
we let them on the ballot? That that I guess
that's fine, But I'm not for the straight democracy of
you know, it's not dancing with the stars. It's not
America's got talent. It's not how many calls you get

(27:08):
to pick a winner. We are a democratically elected republic
for a reason. And that's not to say that the
initiative law should be taken away, but it should be
the same way the initiative law has been implemented in
practice for laste hund and thirty years.

Speaker 1 (27:23):
Well, here's the thing with me, Like you were saying, Greg,
I've been approached probately like you have. Numerous times over
the years, people coming up say hey, would you sign
this petition? I'll say no, what. First of all, I
always ask him what does it say? Because I want
to see how much understanding they have about whatever issue
they're pushing. Secondarily, I'm not going to sign it because
I don't have time.

Speaker 3 (27:42):
To read it.

Speaker 1 (27:43):
Right, you need to read these and most people who
sign these things, Greg, do not read them.

Speaker 2 (27:48):
Well, if you are at California and they say this
authorizes bonds you know, to go in debt for safe
drinking water and climate risks, Well, who's for against? Who
would drink wants? I like safe drinking water. I think
I can sign up for that, But what does climate risks.
Mean that seems a bit vague, right, it's meant too.
So here's the thing that blows my mind, right is

(28:10):
we look at crime and punishment, we look at catch
and release, we look at bail. You know, no, there's
no more bail anymore, and we wonder, we look around
and go, how did we lose control? How did public
safety get eroded so quick? Come to find out that
George Soros and a bunch of well healed leftists quietly
went and funded a bunch of DA and county attorney
races with people that wanted to do the social justice

(28:33):
and let every criminal out lets you shoplift up to
one thousand dollars without being arrested. And then we look
around and we go, wow, this is a nightmare. You've
got busy bees out there, leftists that are trying to
tear down this society. And if you give them special law,
you know, a special statue, true initiative that a legislative
branch can't look at, review, prioritize by way of funding.

(28:56):
Good night, Irene.

Speaker 1 (28:57):
Yeah, all right, We've got a lot to get to
as you work your way home on this Thursday with
a rotten greg show, Right, here on Utah's Talk Radio
one oh five nine. Can eris live everywhere on the
iHeartRadio app. Great to be with you on this Thursday afternoon.
I'm rod Arquette, I'm citizen Hughes. A lot to get to.
Big night at the Democratic National Convention. Uh here in
a few hours, Kamala Harris will take the stage. She

(29:19):
will accept the nomination to be the Democratic candidate for
the White House.

Speaker 3 (29:24):
Big moment for her.

Speaker 1 (29:26):
Be interesting to see what she has to say now
a little bit later on whether there's a report out
today that in the New York Times that during the
speech tonight she will propose, Greg, you're you're ready for this,
a five trillion dollar tax increase five and let me
trillion dollars.

Speaker 2 (29:43):
It'll be for the richest of the rich. It won't
be for any of any everyday person.

Speaker 1 (29:48):
Anybody who makes under four hundred thousand dollars would not
be affected by this five trillion dollar tax increase. Remember
how many of you believe that, Remember.

Speaker 2 (29:56):
How they said all those irs agents they were going
to hire it only for the people that made me
more in four thousand. That promise would know that they
that was a lie.

Speaker 3 (30:04):
I didn't go anywhere, did it.

Speaker 1 (30:05):
I want to before we bring on our next guest,
David Harzani. Chris Wallace used to be with Fox News.
His dad, Mike Wallace, of course famous for Sixty Minutes,
now works for CNN. He made a very interesting observation
about the delegates and their feelings toward Kamala Harris. This
is what he had to say last night.

Speaker 8 (30:22):
So to me, it feels more like a romance where
you're in the first month. It's very intoxicating. You really
like the person, but you haven't fallen in love yet.
And that's what I feel missing from this convention. They
really wanted to win, they really want to beat Donald Trump.
But is the personal connection to Kamala Harris that there
is normally to a new nominat a party.

Speaker 3 (30:44):
No, I don't think so.

Speaker 8 (30:45):
And in fact, to be brutally honest about it, six
months ago, there were a lot of delegates that are
here and a lot of Democratic officials who were thinking, gee,
maybe we could get rid of Kamala Harris and we'd
have somebody else as a backup to Joe Biden.

Speaker 1 (30:57):
Boy, I want a difference. A few months mates, remember
that everybody was talking about got to get rid of Kamala.
Is he going to hitch Kamala to get somebody else?
She's doing nothing for the ticket. She's very unpopular and
now she's about to take his place.

Speaker 2 (31:09):
It shows the abject hypocrisy or just the pageantry, the
political pageantry. None of this is real, folks, none of it.
They are just All they want to do is beat
Donald Trump. And they don't care how they took a
stuffed animal to get elected. To do it, that's what
they would tell you. It would be better, they would
do it. That's it.

Speaker 9 (31:26):
Well.

Speaker 1 (31:26):
Joining us on our Newsmaker line right now is David Harzani.
David is an author senior editor at The Federalist wrote
about this today, talked about the exhausting, over long Democratic convention. David,
Thanks for joining us, David. Let me ask you. How
much of this convention, David, have you had to watch?

Speaker 3 (31:44):
Oh? I bet to watch all of it.

Speaker 10 (31:45):
It's terrible. I was wondering yesterday. I'm like, why did
I pick this career where I have to watch people I.

Speaker 3 (31:52):
Detest all day long.

Speaker 10 (31:54):
No, I've watched most of it. Yeah, I mean you
know the primetime stuff.

Speaker 2 (31:58):
Yeah, so you use the word if I had to
describe it, it's exhausting. I felt that in the first
ten minutes of Monday. Okay, the exhausting party. And I'm
saying to myself the same thing. I promise these listeners
are listeners here. I will be here. I'm gonna I'm
just gonna do this. I'm gonna grit it out. I
can't I end up. My wife yells at me to
shut my office door so she doesn't have to hear it.
It's just it's become a march of baton. It's been terrible.

(32:23):
Hats off that you've been able to endure it all,
because I have to confess I have bailed out on
a couple of these nights. So anyway, I guess my
question is it just feels like they just keep doubling down.
I swear they're playing to their own band, They're playing
to their own people. They just keep digging, They're going.
It just seems more and more committed to the left.
Do you see anything different than that? Are they broadening

(32:44):
this out or is there any commercial appeal retail politics
happening at this convention.

Speaker 10 (32:50):
It doesn't feel like it, you know, I wonder these
are just coronations basically, And I as I as I
wrote today, I think it if that's what you're doing.
In the old days, you know, conventions mattered, you know,
you'd have to fight it out for you know, candidates
would have to fight for delegate things like that. But
if you're just doing it for entertainment value and to
reach out to people, why would you make it four

(33:11):
hours long? And why would you have this people coming
up one after the next saying the same exact things.
I don't know, So I don't really see the appeal
in it. I thought Tim Walls, you know, I don't
like the guy, but I thought his speech was fine,
but the weight was terrible. I mean, it was eleven
o'clock when Mayor Pete came on the Secretary's Transportation Department.

(33:33):
I mean, does anyone really want to see that guy
at eleven o'clock on a Wednesday night?

Speaker 3 (33:38):
I don't know.

Speaker 10 (33:39):
So I'm taken aback by how boring and what a
grind it is.

Speaker 1 (33:46):
David, who in America do you think is being convinced
by any of this?

Speaker 3 (33:49):
Right now?

Speaker 1 (33:49):
Is anybody convinced that the you know, the Democratic Party
has all the answers?

Speaker 10 (33:55):
I don't know that anyone's being convinced. I think there
are some legitimate excitement because they have a canidate who
allegedly can speak.

Speaker 3 (34:02):
She doesn't really speak to the.

Speaker 10 (34:03):
Media at all, but you know, so there's a renewed
excitement in that sense. But even yesterday and the other day,
it's the same old people. It's Nancy Pelosi, it's the Clintons,
you know, it's the Obamas. I think a lot of
the I don't think there's a lot of organic excitement.
I think it's pretty much just contrived, and it's almost
as if they're trying to convince you to be excited,

(34:24):
to convince themselves that they're excited.

Speaker 2 (34:27):
Now, I might be biased. I've been accused of that
in the past, so maybe this is true. But Rod
and I were at the Milwaukee convention covering it live.
We would get in there, our show would end, it'd
be about eight o'clock that you know, Milwaukee, and we
go to the convention hall listen to the rest of
the speeches. I don't remember this thing going on for
four plus hours. I don't remember it feeling like this,

(34:48):
where it's just this the political class just lined up
and talking all night long. It felt to me, David,
there were a lot of everyday people that were sharing
their perspective or experiences on policies and the world around them.
It just had a different vibe for me. Now I
know that again I might be biased, but can you
contrast the two conventions in terms of what you saw
and was it the same? You know, just just going

(35:11):
on and on and on for over four hours to
the same base, What did it feel the same?

Speaker 10 (35:16):
It's hard, you know, it's a little hard to tell
when you're watching it and you're not there. I've been
to a few, and it's a different experience. I don't
think any of these conventions are changing many minds anyway,
But to me, it just seemed that the Republican one
had a lot more energy. I'm gonna be honest with
you right now. As a gen x RC, it's just
for four hours and listen to Hulkgan anyway, So I
was just happy about that here. But there's an un

(35:37):
seriousness about it, frankly, you know, it's just different, and
I just I wonder if if if they just do
it because it's what we do, rather than thinking about
what would be most effective for parties so I do
wonder about that. But yeah, from from the TV, it
seemed to me like that there was a lot more
real excitement at the Republican Convention, and you know, so, yeah.

Speaker 1 (36:00):
David, I thought one of the most brutal assessments of
what is going on at the convention came from, of
all people, last night, Chris Wallace on CNN, where he
came out and he said, look, let's be brutally honest.
About six months ago, most of the delegates on this
floor were supportive of Joe Biden getting rid of Kamala
Harris as his vice presidential running mate. I mean, there

(36:21):
was talk just six months ago, David, of getting rid
of her. Now she's apparently the savior.

Speaker 10 (36:28):
Yeah, it's hard to buy it. It's hard to buy
it because she's just not as talented or as joyful
as they're pretending she is. And everyone knows that. Obviously,
there are partisans who are true believers and they don't
care who you put up there. They're going to be,
you know, March the same tune. But I just don't
buy it. Yeah, it's hypocritical. But I have to say
there's another aspect of this that is weird. To me

(36:48):
is that I watched entire speeches of some of these
delegates and stuff like that, you know, and some of
the politicians, and almost all the things they're scaredmind going
about aren't true. No one wants to ben ivy if
yet every single one of them mention it, mentions it.
No one wants to take away gay marriage anymore. No,
yet they all mention it. That the Trump has nothing
to do with Project twenty twenty five, and yet they

(37:10):
all mention it. So it's just a very weirdly paranoid
convention in my view.

Speaker 2 (37:17):
And you're so right. We have there's clips of CNN
fact checkers correcting the record. There's the Washington Post that really, actually,
to my shock, really went after some of these completely
false statements that were being made. Governor Paulis from Colorado
saying that on page whatever on the twenty twenty five project,
it says this, and they showed it doesn't say that
at all. It's not even close. So I agree, it's

(37:38):
odd that they're just so much is contrived that they're
pushing out there. I guess final question, will she ever
have to do any retail politics? You know, it used
to be all politics is local. There's been no interaction
with the public. I mean she clears out diners and
puts in props as she goes to visit. Will there
ever be a retail political moment? Is she ever going

(38:00):
to speak to people in this campaign trailer? Are we
just watching just a production that will never ever get
to real people?

Speaker 10 (38:09):
We're watching a production. We're watching a production. And you know,
she may go out there and speak to some voters
who like her somewhere. I don't know about that. She's
never going to face a really genuine, tough interview even
you know. The crazy thing is that she can go
to CNN or MSNBC year somewhere and do an interview
with someone who's a sick ophint and she.

Speaker 3 (38:28):
Won't do it.

Speaker 10 (38:28):
So can you imagine how nervous she is about doing
an interview with someone who's going to ask her some
real questions. She has walked back literally every single policy
position she took only four years ago, So how can
she doesn't One of the people yesterday said, you know,
she knows what she believe, that's why she's a candidate.
But yet she doesn't know what we No one knows
what she believes, and I think that's the real problem there.

Speaker 1 (38:49):
David Tarzani joining us here on the Rod and Greg
Show and Talk Radio one O five nine, is we
talk about Kamala Harris, Big night for old Kamala tonight,
Tommy Kamala.

Speaker 2 (38:59):
Yeah, Comrade tomrad you know, it's one thing I don't care.
I've I've I've prepared myself for her acceptance speech. But
I just will be so ticked off if George Bush
goes that Don Lemone, Don Lemon's, you know, saying he's
hearing that he could he better not show at this

(39:20):
convention tonight. And then your Taylor Swift she is stay
away too, Swifties. You you Swifties, You're you're part of
the problem. We're coming up on the Rod and Greg Show,
Doc Rady one. I want to go back. I guess
to this, to this. You know, this is the last
night of this convention, National convention. Hellelujah, I'm so happy

(39:42):
it's over.

Speaker 1 (39:42):
It's joy in my heart today because it's over.

Speaker 2 (39:45):
It's a lot of joy. They talk about a lot
of joys and no joy. I feel no joy, but
I do have joy that this will be the last
night of this Uh. Stick to beat myself with I
mean I I have taken us on as a as
you know, as a radio host, so I've really tried
to absorb this more than I usually would. I'd usually

(40:06):
treat it like a spent fuel rod in my life,
but I didn't. I wanted to be here for the listeners,
and I have suffered trying.

Speaker 1 (40:11):
Well, we're all very proud of you. I'm enjoying my
heart because I didn't watch a whole lot of it,
but I followed up next day, so I want to
you know, there has been I don't I haven't heard
a lot of talk of what I've heard about the economy. Yeah,
and there's a reason for that because Kamala Harris cannot
hang her hat on the US economy right now, and

(40:32):
they aren't talking about it. David Urban is a Republican strategist.
He works on CNN, and he just happened to bring
the economy up last night.

Speaker 11 (40:40):
And you know today we had listen, the economy had
a terrible job support today right the downward downward estimate
of close to a million jobs that weren't created during
the past year in the Biden Heirs administration. Gina Ramando,
when asked about it today. She wasn't familiar with it.
She's a secretary of commerce, right. Unemployments at four point
three percent, the highest it's been since twenty twenty one,

(41:03):
eleven percent credit card defaults the highest it's been, and
I think since two thousand and nine. So the economy
isn't great and people feel that in their pocketbooks at home.
And we're gonna leave here with this great sugar high
and his hope, and then people are gonna have to
pay their bills, and so.

Speaker 1 (41:17):
It's gonna be tough. Yeah, I love what he said.
People are gonna leave and people watching this may leave
this convention with a sugar high, but then the bills
come at the end of the month, that's right, and
they have to try and figure out how to pay
for him.

Speaker 2 (41:29):
Well, if you've got them saying, hey, if you don't
want your prices jacked Upton, you need to vote for Harris.
The price is cat with She's day one and ten,
they're up. Yeah, well, I mean, what is about yes?

Speaker 3 (41:41):
Under her watch? All right?

Speaker 1 (41:42):
Joining us on our Newsmaker line right now to talk
more about the economy. It's Steve Moore, as he describes himself,
economist extraordinaire of course, with the Heritage Foundation, formerly with
the Wall Street Journal, top economic advisor for former President Trump,
joining us on our Newsmaker line. David, I don't know
about you, but it looks like everything that she has
talked about over the years her campaign is now walking

(42:04):
it back.

Speaker 3 (42:05):
What do you say, jes.

Speaker 7 (42:06):
Well, you know she has at one point she said
she was for reparations payments, and now she's not. At
at one point she said she was for the Green
New Deals, and now she says she's not. Then one
time she said she was for the Medicare for all,
so you just everybody who's put under the government system.
Now she says she's not. But you know, I don't
think American people believe her. I mean, this has been

(42:28):
an incredible convention where I've lived through these conventions for
you know, forty years. I've seen everybody from Walter Mondale
to Michael ducacis about John Carey, you know, and yet
they're not even pretending to be moderates at this convention.
This is a takeover the Democratic Party by wild eyed
radical leftists who believe in income redistribution, not the creation

(42:52):
of wealth, but the redistribution of wealth. It's so contrary
to the whole American ideal that I'm kind of a
gam what's happening now? Just before we started this interview,
I was looking and the New York Times just reported
that Kamala is going to announce a five trillion, not
five billion, five trillion dollar tax increase plan. The largest

(43:15):
tax increase in the history of the United States is
being proposed proposed right now by Cambell Harris. I mean,
that's pretty that's pretty scary stuff.

Speaker 2 (43:24):
Steve Shold use class warfare when doing it. And look,
I'm not a big fan of these corporate cronies that
have just, you know, decided to virtue signal the daylights
out of America lately. But how do you how do
you help Americans not fallward? Like, well, they want to
tax them, not me that that's not the case. On
these tax increases, they certainly do negatively impact the economy,

(43:47):
people's paycheck everywhere. How do how does that how do
we connect the dots when this whole I just imagine
I haven't seen, but the whole five trillion dollar proposal
will probably be described as going against the richest of
the rich, who, by the way, have the attorney accountants
and attorneys to avoid it all. But how do you
how do you make sure the Americans? Though she's talking,
she's looking at them when she talks about this tax increase.

Speaker 7 (44:10):
Well, first of all, I look at the people in
the top you know, one or two or three percent.
Guess what they do for letting me start and own
and operate businesses. So if you go after the people
who are starting our businesses, run, I can't read jobs left.
I mean, you're going to tax those businesses so heavily
that you're going to put a lot of the businesses
out of business, or people are just going to I'm
not going to invest anymore. A lot of them are investors.

(44:31):
And you know, this is one of the things that's
made America, American economy the best in the world, is
that we have really sophisticated capital markets. We allocate uh,
you know, the money to the to the businesses that
you know can can lead the world. And this really
is kind of a assault on how the American economy works.

(44:53):
And I want to remind you though, that the top
one percent, they already paid half of the income tax,
so one percent of them Americans are paying half of
the income tax now, I mean, it's it's unbelievable how
how much of the tax is now really born by
the people at the very top of the income tax brackets.
So look, I've always been a flat tax guy. I

(45:15):
think we should have one rate that everybody pays. If
you make ten times more money than I do, you
pay ten times more tax. That would be a system
I think that everybody could live with. But this, this
is going to reduce the prosperity of America. I think
it's a it's a dangerous idea, and I've never seen
anything quite like it, even from you know, Democrats who
came before Steve.

Speaker 1 (45:34):
How did the Bureau of Labor Statistics get the jobs
numbered so wrong? I mean they came up short eight
hundred and eighteen vous sure, how does that happen?

Speaker 3 (45:42):
Steve?

Speaker 7 (45:44):
Eight hundred and eighteen thousand of revision downward. And that
comes on top of the fact that over the last
year they've had to revise the initial estimate. So you know,
on Friday morning, like next Friday morning at eight thirty,
I'll be on with Maria about a Roma on Fox
Business News, and We'll will report the new number to
come out for the month of you know, for the

(46:05):
month of August. And yet you know what we're going
to find is that the uh that they keep revising
those numbers down. So you know they, oh, we've pred
three hundred thousand jobs this month. Oh no, it was
actually two fifty now twenty five. Well they've actually revised
downward those numbers by three hundred and fifty thousand, so
they've counted all up and they've overestimated job growth by

(46:28):
one point one million jobs. That's probably more people than
work in the entire Salt Lake City, not from Ballam area.

Speaker 2 (46:37):
You're so right, Steve. Here's here's another thing. You know.
I don't know how we get our information of what
she believes in what she doesn't because she doesn't speak
or articulate a single issue. So I don't know if
it's carrier pigeon. I don't know if there's smoke signals
going on somewhere. But I've heard, vaguely, I've heard that
she is walking back now her price controls of groceries,
that this is this has been a big side that

(46:58):
did not. It did not, It didn't do what she
they had hoped it would do. Have you seen any
evidence that she's walking that back or pretending that she
didn't say it. Where do we stand with this price
control approach on our groceries with her?

Speaker 7 (47:12):
Well, I was so doocked when she suggested this idea earlier.
I mean, it just shows first of all, let me
just say this, she knows nothing about business, right. She's
never started a business, she's never met a payroll, she's
never even worked for a business. So how would she
know anything about, you know, how to make a profit
or any of these things that they're totally alien concepts

(47:33):
to her. And that's quite different from Donald Trump, who's
run businesses his whole life. And so you'd be a
nut You have to be a nutcase to be in
davor of price let's just put it like that. Even
my liberal Democratic friends who are economists anyway, everybody agrees
price controls don't work. I don't know if you guys
are old enough to remember the price controls in the seventies,
But I was never having to get up, you know,

(47:55):
six thirty in the morning with my parents when I
grew up in Chicago. We'd have to load up in
the station wagon and get twelfth Line to Cacatholine.

Speaker 1 (48:03):
Yeah, I sure do. I realized that Steve. One other thing,
we were talking with someone yesterday and asked them their
opinion of this proposed unrealized gains tags, and the word
they used to describe it was stupid.

Speaker 3 (48:15):
How would you describe it?

Speaker 2 (48:16):
Very technical term, very technical.

Speaker 7 (48:19):
Yeah, very technical. Well, I thought you were going to
use the word confiscation. Really a compensation of people's property,
and so, you know, I'll just give a simple example.
Let's say you know, you live in the Salt Lake
area and you bought a ranch. And let's say you
bought it for five hundred thousand dollars a half a
million dollars. But then let's say fifteen years later, it's
not worth five hundred thousand, and on paper it's worth

(48:41):
five million dollars. You know, it's appreciated in value. But
she's still own the property, right, It's just the paper
value is foun up. So under the Biden plan, she
would pose a twenty percent tax on four point five
million dollars. So you'd have to pay nine hundred thousand
dollars in tax. Tess, where's the ranch You're going to
get the money to pay that tax? They haven't sold

(49:01):
the part of the ranch. You'd literally have people having
to sell their properties just to pay the tax. I mean,
I'm sorry, I think that's anti America.

Speaker 1 (49:10):
Well, it sure is anti American. And that may be
the best description I've heard so far of this unrealized
gain tax that Kamala is talking about. You have a ranch,
you bought it years ago for maybe a half million
dollars today because the property values is worth five million dollars,
And how much tax you're going to have to pay
on that in unrealized games and you haven't even sold it.

Speaker 2 (49:31):
You don't have to have a ranch to get that scared.
Just go to one of those websites like Zillow and
go see what your house is worth versus what you
bought it for, and go take the twenty percent of
that you got to pay every year that raised equity
that you've never realized. Come on, that is the confiscation
of wealth, confiscation of property if there's ever been. I mean,
that's again, doesn't sound like a free market to me,

(49:53):
doesn't sounds a little leftist? All about the communists common
to me.

Speaker 1 (49:57):
You know, we've had such a busy week, We've not
had a chance to talk to our listeners now, so
let's open up the phones eight eight eight five seven
eight zero one zero eight eight eight five seven o
eight zero one zero on your cell phone dial pound
two fifty and say hey, Ron. And there are two
big things that we've been talking about today, Greg, and
I'd love to get people's feedback as anybody wants. The
Democratic Natural Convention, Yes, if anyone watch, and if so,

(50:19):
what your impressions are? And let's talk about this this
ballot initiative. It's going to be on the ballance of November.
And how do you feel you? I think it's a
tough I think it's a tough bill to sell to
Utah voters.

Speaker 3 (50:31):
And you agree.

Speaker 2 (50:32):
I do agree. I do because when you're explaining, you're
losing and you have to explain this thing and it's
but it's consequences I think are pretty dire. But what
say you, smart listening audience and all the land, what
say you if you watch this convention? Any takeaways from
what you've seen? Certainly you didn't watch the whole thing.
There's there's no one that should take you're sick, yes,
but whatever you saw, what's your takeaway? You'd like to

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can't comment we'd love to hear it, and then also
this new constitutional moment that we'll learn more about as
time goes on. But Ii'm short seventy five days till election.

Speaker 1 (51:03):
Day eight eight eight five seven eights er a one
zero triple eight five seven o eight zero one zero,
or on your cell phone, dial pound two to fifty
and say, hey, Rod, your calls, your comments coming up.
We've been so busy trying to keep you up today
on what's been going on on the convention this week.
We haven't a chance to get your feelings. And what
if anybody out there has actually watched it and there
are impressions of it? Eight eight eight five seven eights

(51:25):
er a one zero eight eight eight five seven o
eight zero one zero or on your cell phone. All
you do is have dial pound two to fifty and say, hey, Rod,
let's go to the phones tonight and welcome Jim in
from Salt Lake City. Jim, how are you welcome to
the Rod and Greg Show.

Speaker 6 (51:40):
Yeah, thanks for taking my call. We kind of all
know what they've been talking about basically, Joy, you know, Yeah,
that's what I want to talk What I want to
talk about is what they haven't talked about. Because Democrats
want children to be radicalized towards the state. In other words,

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everybody has to go to a public school. They want
abortion on demand, but they won't say that. They want
children to be mutilated to advance radical gender ideology. They
want tofaturate the public schools with sexualized books. They want

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basically incentivized single parenthood. They don't talk about marriage formation
and caring for your own kids at all, and they've
given us crushing, crushing inflation, which is basically a tax
on all our families. It's just disgusting what they stand for,

(52:49):
but they'll never say it. They'll talk about all the
other Oh, you got to feel good. All of their
whole basis for their votes is going to be on
how you feel, on on just feelings, and it should
be based on policy, on what's going to actually help

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America because their agenda, they there's no way. They just
are fundamentally incapable of making our lives better.

Speaker 2 (53:23):
They really Jim, you're spot on, and I couldn't agree more,
and they dance around that. It's not that they omit
the talk. They just even say reproductive rights, which means
not to reproduce. But they say and if you don't
like what they're doing, mind your own business. In other words,
if you don't want to chemically castrate a child, you
should mind your own business. That's what they're That's what
they're saying.

Speaker 1 (53:41):
Yeah, and mind your own business, like you were talking about,
coming from none other than Vice Presidents of Canada to
Tim Walls. Remember the snitch.

Speaker 2 (53:49):
Line, yep, and their paintballs they shot at people stand
out their doorways during COVID.

Speaker 1 (53:53):
Yeah, during during COVID, they had a snitch line. If
you saw your neighbor not doing what the COVID guidelines
wanted you to do, they would call and you could
leave a message on a hotline. I mean, how would
you like to live in a community like Dad? You
go outside without a mask on and you fear that
one of your neighbors may see you and they're gonna
call you.

Speaker 2 (54:13):
Yeah, that's the opposite of minding your own business.

Speaker 1 (54:16):
That's the opposite of Yeah, it sure is the opposite
of minding your own business. Now, the other thing they
brought up the other night was, you know, Walls brought
up this that he was born and raised and educated
in Nebraska and he didn't go to into Yale.

Speaker 2 (54:32):
Or anyone in his ye is a badge of honor.

Speaker 1 (54:35):
Yeah, it's a badge of honor. But there have been
a lot of speakers up there who have gone to
Yale or gone to an Ivy League school.

Speaker 2 (54:41):
Again, the bizarreness of this convention lives on. So two
nights ago, Bernie Sanders is just ripping on billionaires. He said,
billionaires in both parties, they shouldn't be able to buy elections.
And then the next guy that gets up is billionaire
Illinois governor Jab Pritzker, heir to the what the Hilton
or Hiat Fortune. He gets up there and he and

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he brags that he's a billionaire after after Bernie just
started ripping on him. Well, last night and Walls, you know,
I didn't go to I didn't go to Ivy League schools.
I didn't go to Yale like Advance did. Yeah, but
guess what, Pal maybe didn't get the memo, but you're
standing next to Corey Booker went to Yale, Bill Clinton
went to Yale. Amy, what's the amy? Kloba charg went

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to Yale? Pete Butacheg went to Harvard. I mean there
he is surrounded by Ivy leaguers while he is ripping Yale.
I mean, it is just such a It's just, you know,
I don't know. They they don't care like what I
what I get worried about is they don't care how
how blatantly they will lie or mislead when it's so

(55:48):
easy to point these things out. They don't. I'm missing something.
I don't know why they are so comfortable lying in
a way that you can find out very quickly that
they're that they are lying.

Speaker 1 (56:00):
Cameron, who is on I fifteen tonight, calling into the
Roden greg Show. Cameron, how are you welcome to the show.
Thanks for joining.

Speaker 12 (56:06):
Us, Hey, good enjoy the show, guys. Hey, I'm just
going down I fifteen heading home from Saint George and Taylorsville,
and I was listening to you guys talk about who
was watching the DNC. I follow politics whore as a hobby.
But my opinion of the DNC is, I mean, they're

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ranking come all out to be a good bomb and
a good wife, which is great and stuff. The other guy,
he's a good coach, and but we need somebody who
has some experience you could run the country. We definitely
don't want to hire the person that Hartley was attributed
to ruining it with Joe Biden. But I mean, as
great as the attributes are of you know, I'm a

(56:47):
happy person and I can cook well, I think we
really need somebody with the experience, and I don't think
these guys are the ones.

Speaker 2 (56:54):
Yeah, Joy, exactly right. And the best thing you have
in the selection is all you have to do is
think of twenty sixteen to twenty and then take twenty
one to twenty four and just compare which one was
which one was better. I think everyone would argue or
would say they liked the world, not only their lives
or communities, but even the world was safer as we
were not engaged in every foreign conflict, as our borders

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were more secure. You name it. Our economy, not the
inflation we don't we have now we didn't have then,
interest rates are low. Let me give me two dollars gas. Again.
I'm telling you, there's just I can't even I can
rattle it off like a gatling gun. How much better
life was under when Trump was the president versus the Harris,
the Biden Harris regime of the last four years.

Speaker 1 (57:36):
Someone described Tim Walls today as a white fat or Kuma.

Speaker 2 (57:41):
And I'll tell you this mentioned that he was a coach.
He was an assistant coach.

Speaker 3 (57:45):
You've been an assistant.

Speaker 2 (57:46):
I've been an assistant coach, and I never say I'm
coach Hughes.

Speaker 1 (57:49):
All right, more of your calls and comments coming up.
It is the Rod and Greg Show here on Utah's
Talk Radio one oh five nine can or US eight
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your smartphone, just pound two to fifty and say hey, Rod.
More coming up, Jesse Kelly coming your way after our
news update at the top of the hour. I was
listening to Jesse last night. He cracks me up. He

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calls everybody on the left of comedy.

Speaker 2 (58:13):
Because they are they are easy.

Speaker 5 (58:16):
I love it.

Speaker 3 (58:16):
Yeah, he doesn't.

Speaker 2 (58:17):
Yeah, we asked that question back when we were back
when we were walking out with them. Look read history,
you'll see it. It mirrors all a bunch of communist movement.

Speaker 1 (58:25):
All right, does we're getting your phone calls tonight, of course,
taking your calls on about anything, the initiative, the ballot initiative.
We could be talking as well about the DNC. Back
to the phones as we go eight eight eight five
seven eight zero one zero is the number to call
er on your smartphone to I'll pound two to fifty
and say, hey, Rod, Will has been waiting patiently on
the bank of their highway tonight.

Speaker 3 (58:44):
Will. How are you? Thanks for joining.

Speaker 9 (58:45):
Us, I'm good, Thanks for taking my call.

Speaker 3 (58:49):
You're welcome.

Speaker 9 (58:50):
Kind of follow up with the comments.

Speaker 10 (58:52):
I'm going to follow up with.

Speaker 9 (58:53):
The comment from one of your previous callers. We talked
about how the DNC all wants to talk about ceilings. Well,
I have some feel I'm feeling angry and betrayed by
the administration, and they're not only repeated but blatant lies
about the economy and inflation.

Speaker 2 (59:10):
Yes, you deserve to be upset about it because they
are lying on I'm with you.

Speaker 10 (59:15):
And I can.

Speaker 9 (59:17):
I can tell you that from four years ago, I'm
making after raises and things like that, I'm making about
ten thousand dollars more a year, which is not a
huge amount. But I have the same bills from four
years ago that I do today. The only difference is
some of them are double or triple what they were
four years ago.

Speaker 1 (59:37):
Yeah, how about that? How about the grocery bill?

Speaker 3 (59:39):
Will?

Speaker 1 (59:40):
I bet that's enough to eat up that ten thousand
dollars raise.

Speaker 9 (59:44):
Four boys, three of them teenagers.

Speaker 3 (59:47):
Everything.

Speaker 2 (59:47):
I just shuddered at that. I had teenagers. I'm telling
you those kids eating then my kids holding us back
from college and from Uja State's eating like a horse.
It's like, hey, you're not that big, you shouldn't eat
that much. I don't know what's going on here.

Speaker 1 (01:00:00):
And you know the problem, Will is they not only eat,
but they bring all their friends over and they eat
as well. You have to feed him, right, Will.

Speaker 5 (01:00:08):
Oh, I know, Well that's how it goes.

Speaker 1 (01:00:12):
That's how it goes. All right, Well we appreciate that. Yeah,
you want joy, Well there's the opposite of joy is anger. Yeah,
and a lot of Americans should be very angry.

Speaker 2 (01:00:20):
Out if you're keeping score out there, if you're keeping
score on how little your dollar means, then you should
be outraged right now. And when they tell you that, hey,
don't vote for Trump because prices will go up. Oh really,
I couldn't go up worse than they have. And they
didn't go up when he was on the clock last time.
Let's go to let's go we have some.

Speaker 1 (01:00:37):
Yeah audio play Chris Cuomo, who used to be on CNNES.
His brother was the governor of New York. Right, he's
now is a news nation. He's with somebody else.

Speaker 2 (01:00:45):
He's not in the cool kid yet probably anymore. He
used to be part of the regime media. Now he's
now he's that kind of an outsider.

Speaker 1 (01:00:51):
But I want you to listen to this observation he
made last night. He was down on the floor at
the convention and he makes a various stute observation.

Speaker 13 (01:00:59):
Here at the DNC is that they're going to go
after corporate couging, and they're going to go after corporations,
whether it's in taxes, largesse, loopholes. The RNC, we heard
the same thing. They're going after the elites, the two
sets of rules. Let me reveal a reality to you
that has to be spoken to here. Okay, these are

(01:01:20):
the soldiers.

Speaker 3 (01:01:21):
These are the men and the women.

Speaker 13 (01:01:22):
That go back to their constituencies in their communities and
they fight. They take time from their jobs, they take
toms from their families. Republicans and Democrats alike, that's what
they do. They need to charge these people up, they
need to be able to get them on board. But
there's another reality that is literally looking down on them.

Speaker 3 (01:01:38):
Greg look at the ring of suites.

Speaker 13 (01:01:40):
Okay, this is not unique to Democrats. There is a
gain of money. When people talk about uniparty, we are
strangled by the money reality in our politics. Those suites
start at five hundred grand. You think there's like a
teacher group up in there. You think it's like the
cub Scouts of Columbia Counties out Carolina that's up in

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those boxes.

Speaker 2 (01:02:02):
You need the PTA or the cub Scouts are sitting
up in the luxury sweet snow. And I gotta tell
you every time I hear and when and Kamala Harrison
talks about a five trillion dollar tax cut, just know
these corporate cronies aren't paying one red cent because they
wouldn't be paying money into those parties if they were
gonna get taxed like that. Those taxes are coming our way.
They're coming into the small businesses, medium sized businesses, the

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businesses that run this country. The big corporate cronies, man,
they got tax attorneys, they have accountants, are not paying
one red cent. What she's gonna say tonight or anything
they talk about by way of.

Speaker 1 (01:02:33):
Tax they work around tomorrowight more Coming up, final segment
of the Rod and Greg Show. Right here on Utah's
Talk Radio one oh five nine.

Speaker 2 (01:02:40):
It's been a good show. I've gone over a lot
of things. Final night, we're gonna hear from Kamala Harris,
and she's gonna promise, uh, the stars in the moon.
She's gonna tax everyone but you so you know she's
gonna actually lower all the prices of everything. She's gonna
she's gonna just do amazing things prospectively. She's not done
a thing that's not been harmful since her one thousand,

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three d and ten days on the job. But don't
think about that.

Speaker 5 (01:03:04):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:03:04):
The thing that bothers me about a lot of these politicians,
especially like Kamala Harris or she wants to run the country.
She's never run anything in her life, no other maybe
what the Attorney General's office, but that's a bit different
than running the country.

Speaker 2 (01:03:17):
Yep, No, she hasn't. And what I find is she
has a ninety two percent turnover of staff, and they've
said she doesn't want to be she she doesn't prepare
for anything. She doesn't want you to have an opinion,
she doesn't want you to make eye contact with her. Yeah,
I mean this is the type first she is it's
it's it's why you don't see retail politics with Kamala
Harris because she doesn't she.

Speaker 3 (01:03:36):
Doesn't know it yet.

Speaker 2 (01:03:37):
I look, I'm watching the betting lines Une Silver, who
taught from you know, and he does analytics in addition
to polling and has been pretty accurate here and there.
But he has been saying these betting lines are really
like strangely accurate and really track what he's seeing as well.

Speaker 5 (01:03:54):
Well.

Speaker 2 (01:03:55):
While the convention's going on, the betting lines have actually
gone into Trump's favor. Rasmussen reports just has a Kamla
during the convention down three points.

Speaker 3 (01:04:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:04:05):
I'm telling you. If the betting lines right now are
getting stronger for Trump and this is their big coming
out party and this is supposed to be where they're
getting their big big bump, I don't know, it might
be a little underwhelming.

Speaker 1 (01:04:16):
You know who talks about the betting lines all the time.
It's Klay Travis, Yes, with Clay and Buck, and he
says they are more accurate than the polls are because
they really I don't know why, but it's get your money.
People are putting their money down.

Speaker 2 (01:04:30):
It's so easy to say what you think to a polster.
If you're putting hard, cold cash, you better believe what
you're saying or what you're doing.

Speaker 1 (01:04:36):
And the end, the betting pools are starting. You know,
she hasn't made a dent yet in Donald Trump. Matter
of fact, she may have and she may get a
little bump here, but I think over time you may
see Trump. It may remain very close, but you may
also see Trump pool.

Speaker 2 (01:04:50):
We saw those betting lines really change from Biden to
Kamala Harris, and we saw that happen, and we saw
it get to an even even betting pool. She got
a head a little little bit, but now she's down
even during her convention.

Speaker 1 (01:05:02):
The more the American people find out about Kamala Harris
and Tim Walls, the less they're going to like him,
in my.

Speaker 2 (01:05:10):
Opinion, And if they keep hiding her and not laying
allowing her to speak, I don't think that plays well
because I think the silence will be deafening to the voters.
At some point. You just can't keep hiding it and
dressing it up and pretend.

Speaker 1 (01:05:22):
Her first television appearance other than the debate, Stephen Colbert,
that's my guess. Yeah, on Late Night with Stephen Colbert,
you'll talk nothing about how great a job she's doing,
and that will be her one television interview. Yep, that's
that's that's what I see too. Yeah, all right, that
does it for us tonight, Head up, shoulders back. May
God bless you and your family in this great country

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of ours. Thanks for joining us. We're back tomorrow with
thank Rod and Greg. It's Friday. Stay tuned tomorrow