The Rod and Greg Show: Debate Reaction with Liz Peek of Fox News and Local Consultant Dave Owen

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Even I, and I'm not easily surprised. I was truly
shocked at the level of bias and the level of
all in advocacy that David Muir and the other Vie
Davis Lindsay Davis engaged in last night. It was really
really hard to watch. If not for you, listeners, I
don't know that I could have endured over a hour

(00:22):
and a half of it because it was it was
I want to pull my hair out.

Speaker 2 (00:27):
Well, we have got a lot of breakdown. We'll break
down the debate last night, but most importantly because it's
you the listener now, Greg and I we get a vote,
you know, and will vote, but you, the listeners, are
the ones who are going to decide this election, and
we want to hear from you today. So we'll get
to your calls during the show today because we want
your feedback. You know, the polls, even the New York

(00:49):
Times set, Yeah, she won the debate last night, but
you know the independence they aren't swayed. I am, they
are not swayed. Greg.

Speaker 1 (00:57):
I'm surprised that that is that you're hearing that so soon,
because what I came prepared to talk about this afternoon
was these debates are only good for maybe a one
percent bump overall, but you get a lot of sugar high,
you get a lot of hype early on last night today,
but when that news cycle passes, people settle down and

(01:17):
and to hear though that there's already that. And I
saw we have some clips even from a CNN focused
group where they weren't buying what Kama was selling even
last night. I'm surprised because I thought that she will
get into it. But I thought she was as well
prepared as she has ever been. I've looked at her
in other debates. I've seen her in that Dana Bash interview.
That was a different Kamala Harris. Hats off to her.

(01:37):
I guess that she was that prepared because it was
she did a very good job. And I'll give you
the details where I think she went outside. It was
like out of body deal.

Speaker 2 (01:47):
For well, this is such a giant onion. We've got
a lot of peeling back to do today, and that's
what we'll do on the show today because there are
a lot of different angles and pursuits that we want
to consider. The one that annoys me. I've shared this
with you before that her facial expressions during that debate
last night. We're driving me nuts, And can you say
they were effective? I do, I don't think they were.

(02:08):
We'll get into that, but we'll get into a lot
of other stuff. But before we go anywhere near then, today,
we need to remember what today is. Today is the
twenty third anniversary of nine to eleven. Can you believe
that twenty three years ago? Now?

Speaker 1 (02:22):
What a surreal day?

Speaker 2 (02:23):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (02:23):
You know what I've told Christa Queenbee that the part
of what makes this anniversary just a little bit different
for me now is the egregious Afghanistan withdrawal that Biden
committed to just so he could have the twenty year anniversary.
You know, it's all pageantry for them, the way, the irresponsible,
actually deadly way that they did this, the withdrawal, just

(02:45):
so that on nine to eleven they could say that
the United States was completely out out of Afghanistan and
the cost of that. I think about that a lot
now when we get to this nine to eleven anniversary date.
But I will tell you that that day was a
is for me. I'm fifty fifty four, but it's it's
one of the most surreal days I know that Space

(03:06):
Shuttle Challenger was in high school.

Speaker 2 (03:09):
This was nine to eleven them, you know, and we
all think about where we were. As a matter of fact,
we were talking before the start of the show about
where we were on that day and when we first
heard about him, what we did. The country froze. I
think for about a week we were still trying to
figure out. Remember, all the planes were grounded. The thing
that stands out to me was the skies were quiet.

(03:29):
I thought that, you know, the skies were quite as
a matter of fact. In his follow up album, On This,
Bruce Springsteen's album On This, he wrote a song called
empty Skies, And I've always thought about, you know, the skies.
There were no planes in the air. You know, you
didn't hear anything. It just America. It was quiet. I
think for a few days we actually spoke to each

(03:49):
other in quieter tones because we're all shocked by what happened.
And I can you know, I'm not, you know, because
I wasn't around then, even though you may contend I
was to Pearl Harbor. But I wonder what the country
was like when they learned about what happened at Pearl Harbor,
and wasn't the same, because I'll never forget it was quieter.
We spoke to each other in softer tones, and we

(04:10):
realized what has just happened to us here?

Speaker 1 (04:13):
I yeah, I remember that week thinking ever since I
was a little boy, looking up in the sky and
seeing even if it was really high in the sky,
planes flying ahead overhead and always I mean, there's I
think if I walked outside the studio right now, I
could look up and we'd see planes. We see we'd
see airliners, and it was it was. It was empty.
And then I attended in Salt Lake City that I

(04:33):
don't know if it was a Friday, it was they
had a memorial service and the only planes that were
in there were jet fighter were fighter or jet fighters
which from Hill Air Force, which like patrolling and protecting.
And that felt pretty surreal to hear those jets flying
over Salt Lake City while this memorial was going on
for the purposes of protecting the people, or worrying about

(04:55):
protecting the people, and so yeah, that was that was unreal.
I was with my friend Mat which you know, we
were actually early morning golfing and start out so early
we didn't even we had to go back to the
clubhouse to you know, pay because we got out when
it was still almost dark, and we on the last
tea we heard my friend's wife called and said that

(05:15):
this had happened. There had been this, And I wasn't.
I still wasn't a square what would happened until we
got into the clubhouse and I saw this loan building
and I said, what is that? Which building? And I
said that's the World Trade Center. I said, where's the
other building? They said it fell and I said it, well,
it fell, and then I saw it. And then as
soon as I said that, I saw the second tower
go anyway.

Speaker 2 (05:34):
You know, we were back in New York several years later.
A couple of years later, there was still a huge
hole in the ground. They hadn't begun building anything. And
then later on we were back in New York and
we went and saw the museum. Yeah, I don't have
you ever been to the museum.

Speaker 1 (05:48):
Then I've been to the I've been to the memorial
where they have the you know where they have kind
of the empty thing there, but I haven't been inside.

Speaker 2 (05:54):
You go to the museum, man, and it starts. I mean,
you hear the radio frequencies, people talking about this, I mean,
it is pretty depressing. Now, I will say one thing.
You know Jenny Taylor, you know her husband was North
Ogden Mayor killed in Afghanistan. Every year she puts on
a wonderful display, a nine to eleven remembrance display. She's

(06:15):
done it a couple of years up in Weaver County.
We've been up there a couple of times this year.
It's up in Cash County. And if you really want
to see something that will move you, they walk you
through what happened on nine to eleven and what the
country was like back in two thousand and one and
nine to eleven. Interesting note that you didn't realize this.
Sean Hannity began his syndicated radio program a day before

(06:39):
nine to eleven. September tenth is when he began his
syndication of this radio program. And the next day he
has something like this happened and I'll never forget that
as well. So it's don't forget. I mean, talk to
your children tonight, you know, just think about you know,
the men and women and the brave men and women

(06:59):
in and what happened on nine eleven, because it's it's
it's pretty powerful. On nine to eleven, and you'll want
to remember that. Now. Like I said, debate last night,
we've got a lot to peel back on this today.
Certainly we want to get your phone calls and hear
what you have to say, your reaction to all of this.
But as you were saying, Greg, you know, it may

(07:20):
move the needle a little bit, but I don't expect
it to move it a whole lot.

Speaker 3 (07:23):
No.

Speaker 1 (07:24):
I think I believe we talked about this yesterday. But
the people that really stare at these presidential debates and
do it for a living.

Speaker 2 (07:33):
Yeah, and you and I do that and we're live
with these.

Speaker 1 (07:35):
Are some wonks and some you know, the math nerds
looking at all this and they and they have said,
unless it's a catastrophic performance from the perceived loser, and
there's only two examples they could give. One was Jimmy
Carter against Reagan in nineteen eighty and then Biden recently
here in June. If it's not that level of a failure,
you get a one percent bump for the perceived winner.

(07:58):
It feels heavier right now, bit like a bigger deal
like this is how people will decide, But that that's
that's the best you get or worse you get after
one of these debates. And I'll tell you what I
thought that Trump did a good job on the whole.
I've seen him do a lot worse. I got to
tell you that Biden debates last, you know, in twenty twenty,
drove me crazy. But she was well prepared and it

(08:21):
was three against one. It was a it was an
ambush and so.

Speaker 2 (08:24):
Choreographed ambush is what I've heard it described as. So
we'll get into that. We've got a lot of audio
sound bites to play from that, and of course we
want to get to your phone calls all coming your way,
So stay with us as you head home on this
Uh what Wednesday afternoon, almost said Wingman, Wednesday.

Speaker 4 (08:38):
It's kind of.

Speaker 2 (08:40):
Running Wednesday right here on Utah's talk radio one oh
five nine k NRS. All the pundits, people like you
and I, you know, talk show host, TV strategists, analysts
are really going to pay attention to this and break
it down. Yes, So what matters are the people who
vote and their opinions as to what they saw last
and whether or not it moved the needle the needle

(09:03):
and you were saying maybe not or if it does
not much.

Speaker 1 (09:06):
No, it doesn't. I mean I even went back to
twenty twelve. We remember the CNN since Candy Crowley terrible,
terrible moderation. I don't think she ever did it again
after this. I think her career pretty much ended after
this twenty twelve debate, just because I remember. All I
remember from that debate was bad, how poorly she had done.
So I went back to watch it, just watched about
two and a half minutes. It's worse than I even

(09:29):
remember in terms of the chaos. They're both walking around
the stage, but her questions were not even close to
as bias or as targeted as David Muir and I
keep Lindsay Davis were towards Trump. I mean, why are you,
mister Trump, such a terrible person? Vice president? Why do
you think he's such a terrible person.

Speaker 2 (09:49):
That's what it came down through last night. Well, we
want to hear what people had to say. No, many
of them at works did post debate focus groups last night.
We thought we'd let you listen into on what some
of the people who watched the debate last night said
about the debate was.

Speaker 5 (10:03):
Actually going to make our country better and we're in
an incredibly unique situation where we've had both of the
candidates in office before and we've gotten to see what
they would do.

Speaker 6 (10:13):
And when facts come to facts, my life was better.

Speaker 5 (10:16):
When Trump was in office, the economy who was higher,
inflation was lower, things were better overall, and now with
Kamala's administration, things haven't been so fantastic. And she's saying
she can fix the problems that her administration has caused,
But I just don't know if I can afford to
take that risk.

Speaker 7 (10:33):
Do we still have to have a controlled border, secure border,
because yeah, we've had a lot of people going through
the board illegally.

Speaker 2 (10:39):
My family went through a long process to get here legally, so.

Speaker 7 (10:42):
I feel that it's unfair for one hundreds of thousands
to get here without problems and then for the federal government,
federal government to help them out. We've also lost Americans
because how many legals were letting in, like the young
boy from Ohio who had killed by immigrants.

Speaker 8 (10:55):
Vice President Harris was asked if she believes Americans are
better off now than they were for years ago, and frankly,
as you pointed out, she didn't answer the question. She
said pivoted to talk about in broad brushstrokes some of
the policies that she's highlighting, small business tax credits, down
payment assistance for home buyers, an expanded child tax credit.

Speaker 9 (11:15):
Vice President Kamala Harris did not do a great job
today really explaining her policy shifts, right, and that is
what they have been seizing on. They're really trying to
define her for voters when voters have a lot of
questions about her policy positions.

Speaker 2 (11:29):
Yeah, it's interesting, Greg that the first comment you heard,
you know, you know, life was better under Donald Trump,
and what is you know, what is Kamala Harris going
to do to make it even better?

Speaker 4 (11:42):
Well?

Speaker 1 (11:42):
And I think that one of the so these focus
groups that CNNCBS did last night watching the debate together
were undecided voters, and it sounds like they weren't very
undecided when you heard their conclusions. But I think they
went in there waiting to hear answers that might counter
the concerns they have, and they didn't hear it. Yeah,
and I'm surprised this early, and I expected this news

(12:03):
cycle to be so pro calm. I thought it was
going to be no matter what happened, that it would
be this This credible but or this strong for her,
but you're already seeing people saying that she didn't really
get specific enough. And then I hate to say it,
but I think that ABC will never it will never

(12:24):
be forgotten by people.

Speaker 2 (12:26):
How they won't recover from this.

Speaker 4 (12:27):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (12:28):
If they ever host another presidential debate. I would be shocked.
I don't think. I think this is you have seen
the last ABC presidential debate you will ever see.

Speaker 2 (12:38):
Well, you may have seen the last presidential debate on
any of the legacy media. I mean, how you know
and will carry us audio sound bite from Megan Kelly
a little bit later on, she says, if any Republican
in the future does a debate on ABC, CBS or NBC,
no stopping quit believing that they're going to be fair,

(12:58):
because they certainly were not fair Life Night. They weren't
and I but I would have taken it because I was.
I would not have expected to find a Kamala Harris
who didn't cackle, who didn't talk in circles in riddles,
as she has been doing even in her Dana Bash
CNN interview, could not really get away from I thought
she was incredibly prepared saying nothing, but still the way

(13:19):
she did it, she had lines memorized I you and
I have a different take. I think that split screen
where she instead of Biden looking off into space, she's
either you know, laughing or disagreeing with facial expressions, I
felt like she and but not doing it and I'm
not I didn't think it was as obnoxious of a way.
I think that was that was compelling to an undecided

(13:42):
voter watching that debate last night. I think whoever prepped
her and said, you're still going to be when he's talking,
you are going to be on you know, ten million
screens in America, make sure that you know that and
that you're responding properly. I think she had that front
of mind. But see, I think my interpretation of that
last night she was that's what she was doing. I
mean that one scene where she kind of folds her

(14:04):
arm and puts her hands on her on her chin,
she's mocking him. It was origin and it just drove
me nuts every time. There wasn't hardly a point during
that debate last night where she wasn't making some kind
of facial expression.

Speaker 1 (14:19):
Yeah, and I think it was that just bugged me
with the mics turned off. This was her way of
sharing a retort that what he's saying is ludicrous, or
what he's saying isn't true, or it's laughable. But what
really really surprised me was there was such low hanging
fruit that even CNN during the Democrat Convention fact checked
there is no twenty twenty five sponsorship from President Trump,

(14:42):
there is no fine people that are white supremacist. These
are lies that have been proven over and over again.
And these fact checkers that kept interrupting President Trump on things,
even on his own opinion, and trying to fact check
his opinion wouldn't go to some of the most obvious
obvious lies. They wouldn't touch it. And that was that stunned.

Speaker 2 (15:05):
Yeah. Yeah, well, and we'll get into this a little
bit later on as well. Five times they fact checked
him during his answers, which was really unusual. Well, you know,
we talked to the mayor of Springfield. They haven't killed
a cat, you know, you know the number of times
they fact checked her zitto a big fact.

Speaker 1 (15:25):
Did you know there's no late term abortions in America?
According to the ABC moderators, that doesn't exist, doesn't exist,
That was the fact check. We've got great calmnist thought leaders.
They're going to give their take on what we saw
last night, starting that off on the show today. Jennifer
Van Lahar, the managing editor of Red State, is on

(15:47):
ready to go.

Speaker 2 (15:48):
Jennifer, thanks for joining us this afternoon. You're right about
the moderators. Did, in fact the moderators last night make
a joke of the presidential debate, well.

Speaker 10 (15:57):
That we can't call them moderators because they were active
participants and grilling Donald Trump and building up Kamala Harris
and really just taking the place of putting in the
regime talking points that they wanted Kamala to make and
didn't trust that she would.

Speaker 1 (16:17):
Jennifer, I have a question. There's a theory I read
this last night that in sports you'll have a coach
maybe come out on the field and football talk to
the ref say look, we got this play and don't
call this a penalty. This is why it's legal, or
they just they go and they try to focus on
things they think that the the refs might pay attention
to that they want to make their case. Early someone
thought that maybe the Harris campaign went to these moderators

(16:39):
and said we expect you to hold Trump accountable when
he lies. Here are some of the examples. Could that
be one of the reasons why these non moderators and
participants honed in on Trump's comments and zero of Harris's
Or was it or is it just where their mind was?

Speaker 6 (16:59):
I mean, that could definitely have happened.

Speaker 10 (17:00):
I wouldn't be surprised at all if Kamala's team went
to them and said, these are the things that we
expect he's going to say, and here's what they believe
the truth is. But I think they also were just
wanting to do that anyway.

Speaker 2 (17:14):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, Jennifer, what about a Trump? I mean,
he knew going in that ABC was very biased against him.
He had seen the numbers. Why do you think he
decided to even try this?

Speaker 10 (17:27):
I think that the American people wanted at least one debate,
and Kamala would not go to Fox and so he
I don't feel like he had to. But at the
same time, I think he felt that he could handle
what they were doing, and I think he did a
pretty good job considering all of it, because there's only
so much you can do when someone is willing to

(17:47):
just completely lie over and over again.

Speaker 1 (17:51):
Jennifer, this is what really took me back, because we
warned the listeners yesterday that this is going to be
She's going to be declared the winner without regard to
what's actually been discussed. But I was not prepared. And
I think that you in your article, you've you've kind
of pointed out the candy Crowleys of CNN that just
hang in my mind as one of the bad examples.
I went back and watched a clip of that this

(18:13):
morning to try and remind myself of how bad that was.
That was like a school debate team, perfectly run question.
I mean, she just would cut off Romney a little
bit compared to what we saw. I think the worst
parts were the easiest and lowest hanging fruits of the bloodbath.
Comment that's that is always misquoted the fine people the

(18:34):
Project twenty twenty five that even outlets like CNN during
the convention Democrat Convention called out is inaccurate. Again, how
do you have a debate where they don't call out
those most obvious of lies or misrepresentations?

Speaker 11 (18:51):
Right?

Speaker 10 (18:52):
And also the time the very first question, Kamala did
not answer the question. She took their question and just
kind of went off on whatever she wanted to say.

Speaker 6 (19:00):
But yet when Trump would, I mean, it's a classic
debate tactic.

Speaker 10 (19:03):
Everyone does that, But when Trump tried to do some
of that, they would go back and badger him and
well it's a yes or no, or you didn't answer
the question.

Speaker 6 (19:11):
And they never once did that to Kamala Harris.

Speaker 2 (19:14):
Yeah, they didn't. Jennifer and they they they it almost
felt like they were protecting her. I mean time and
time again they had opportunities to fact check her the
way they did Donald Trump, but they never took advantage
of those. I mean, it was so clear what they
were trying to do. What do you think how do
you think the American public is viewing this today?

Speaker 6 (19:38):
Well, there are a couple of.

Speaker 10 (19:40):
Polls out at Broid's CNN showing that people are seeing
that they believe it was unfair to Trump. And someone
pointed out that America loves an underdog. So if they
go too hard on this against Trump and make him
the underdog or the guy that looks like he's being bullied,
then that's.

Speaker 6 (19:58):
Not going to go over well long term of them.

Speaker 1 (20:01):
What is what do you think is the lingering effect
of a debate. I've again, I've seen some some data
out there that says that if unless there's a catastrophic
failure on the on the part of one of the
candiates like we saw with Biden in June this year,
and I guess it's said that the Jimmy Carter Reagan
won was a catastrophic failure for then President Carter. But

(20:23):
outside of those two examples, the best you get to
maybe a one point bump from a from A from
a debate where someone is the perceived winner. Do you
how long do you think that this debate last night
will weigh on the minds of voters and will it
have a greater impact than maybe on the margins.

Speaker 10 (20:41):
Yeah, I don't think that long term it's going to
make that big of a difference, because nobody got the
kind of viral clip that you would expect, like the
Howard Dean screen kind of thing, or like you referenced
Carter and Reagan and you know, there he goes again,
or are.

Speaker 6 (20:55):
You better off now than you were four years ago?
Nobody got a clip like that.

Speaker 10 (21:00):
So, I mean, you could argue that there were a
few that Trump got in that were.

Speaker 6 (21:03):
Really good, but nobody got the viral thing.

Speaker 10 (21:06):
So I don't think that overall, just your average American
who's working overtime to try to put food on the
table these days and spending time worrying about how they're
going to pay the bills. I mean, I'm in California
the last three months, I've had a six hundred dollars
electric bill for my fifteen hundred square foot condo. Wow,
we're worried about that. And in California at least we're

(21:26):
worrying about not burning down. So people don't have time
to think about this all the time.

Speaker 2 (21:32):
Jennifer, final question. You you write very well today about
the moderators. Megan Kelly last night came out and just
viciously attacked the moderators and she said, yeah, she said,
when are the Republicans going to learn never, never, never
do one of these again. When will the Republican learn
not to do debates on these legacy media outlets?

Speaker 10 (21:55):
Hopefully now, hopefully, hopefully now, hopefully the next elections that
the R And she just says, no, it's not happening.
There has to be a different way to do it.
I would love to see someone like Megan Kelly again. Uh,
moderated debate where she's not with any of the media outlets,
or maybe you have a whole bunch of different debates
with different independent journalists with no network background, because these

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are huge money makers for the networks, so they want
to keep it going because they charge so much for
all of their feeds and for people to be there
and be in.

Speaker 6 (22:26):
The spin room. Like, no, just shut it all down
and have it go fully independent.

Speaker 2 (22:31):
Jennifer van Laar, she is a managing editor at red State,
talking about the moderators last night. A little bit later
on Megan Kelly went off on the moderators last night.
I thought she went off on Taylor Swift because Swift
came out last night and indors.

Speaker 1 (22:46):
I hope you're satisfied. I hope you're happy you Taylor
Swift is coming back. Have you been to our concert? Yes, okay,
a long time ago in her concert. Yeah, you're the
reason she's so popular, because you think she's so great.

Speaker 2 (23:05):
Yeah, thank you. Before we one other thing I want
to play for you. Donald. You know, after the debate
last night, the Harris campaign today is just giddy. Yeah
we won. Matter of fact, they posted the entire debate
on their website, and that's their new ad. Donald Trump
was asked on Fox and Friends this morning what he
thought about the idea of doing a debate fallow up

(23:25):
and her campaign offering three dates of debates moderated by
Martha and Brett.

Speaker 12 (23:31):
Well, I wouldn't want to have Martha and Brett. I'd
love to have somebody else other than Martha and Brett.
I'd love to have Frankly, Sean or Jesse or Laura,
you know, somebody else. Let's give Let's give other people
the shot. But I didn't think Martha and Brett were
good last night.

Speaker 4 (23:49):
Jesse was.

Speaker 12 (23:50):
Jesse was fantastic last night. What he said, Jesse really
got it, Jesse said, said Trump wont that debate. That
was we won that debate by a lot. Now, I
wouldn't want matho.

Speaker 2 (24:00):
Okay, how would you like to be the Martha mcgallum
on Fox News and the President of the United States? Man,
I don't want you.

Speaker 1 (24:08):
Well, look, she is not wrong. I mean they would
I think that that would be a friend of your audience. Yeah,
but I think they. I think Martha and I think
they would fall over themselves to try to be not
to appear too bias and would overdo it. Whereas I
think if he got Sean Hannity, like you said, or
Jesse Kelly, I think it would be more equivalent to
what he had to put up with last night.

Speaker 2 (24:28):
Mark coming up on the Rodden Great Show right here
on Utah's Talk Radio one oh five nine O k
n rs. I've got I want to talk a little
bit about her facial expressions because you think it was
a benefit. I don't think she did herself any good
with all the facial expressions during the debate last night.
But I don't know what got under Megan Kelly's skin
last night. They're watching this debate, I do, boyd, did

(24:51):
she ever go off? I mean, this is what she
said last night. It was a special edition of her podcast,
and she went off last night on the debaters.

Speaker 13 (25:00):
This should be the last time the Republicans ever do this,
because those two moderators.

Speaker 11 (25:08):
Try to sink Donald Trump tonight.

Speaker 13 (25:10):
The numerous fact checks on what he said and none
on what she said.

Speaker 11 (25:19):
None.

Speaker 13 (25:21):
I don't remember a single fact check of anything she said,
and she lied repeatedly. She just got away with it.
In the moderator's eyes. That was Donald Trump's job to
fact check her. That's correct, except you didn't employ that
same tactic when it came to Trump and you accused

(25:42):
him of lying even when it was your opinion.

Speaker 2 (25:45):
Boy, did she someone got under her skin? I agree
with that. Yeah, I totally agree with her. And we'll
get into more of that in your phone calls coming up.
The discussion today is all about the debate last night
and what happened last night. You know, someone has described
it as a choreographed ambush, and it really was three
against one, Donald Trump going against not only his Democratic

(26:07):
opponent in Kamala Harris, but also Lindsey Davis and David Muir,
who were the two moderators last night for ABC. Well,
joining us on our newsmaker line to talk more about
this and get her reaction to this last night is
Liz peak Liz as a columnist at Fox News. Liz,
great to have you on the show. Thanks for joining
us tonight, Liz.

Speaker 11 (26:28):
Thank you so much for having me. I'm delighted.

Speaker 2 (26:30):
All right, Liz, your take? Well, give us your first
assessment of what you saw take plage last night.

Speaker 14 (26:36):
Liz, Well, first of all, I think you're completely spot on.
ABC should be ashamed of themselves the moderators were an
embarrassment to the network because it was even to people
who were not committed to either candidate. I think it
was so obvious that they were totally in the tank
for Kamala Harris. They fact checked Donald Trump on numerous things.

(26:58):
They let Kamala Harris skate all on not just saying
all kinds of things that were untrue, And in a
piece last night, I went through and listed about seven
of them, I.

Speaker 11 (27:07):
Think did everybody.

Speaker 14 (27:09):
I mean, you know, these people are in this world,
they understand, they know what's going on, they know all
the chatter and so forth. They just let her get
away with a lot of stuff that's untrue. And furthermore,
they didn't press her. And I think, I think what's
really disturbing is this was an opportunity for Kamala Harris
to tell voters in America who she is, what she

(27:31):
stands for. She has been a complete blank slate, refused
to do press conferences, refuse to do solo interviews. This
was her moment to go beyond platitudes of which she
you know, spouts plenty, and actually come up with what
even the New York Times said was the fine print.
There was no fine print, and they didn't push her

(27:52):
at all to come up with it. So I thought
it was a waste. And I didn't think Trump did
a particularly good job.

Speaker 11 (27:59):
But I thought she was. I woke up this.

Speaker 14 (28:03):
Morning and the one word in my mind was insufferable.

Speaker 2 (28:07):
Yeah, insufferable. Good word, good word, Liz.

Speaker 1 (28:11):
Let me ask you this. I don't remember. I've asked
my friends. I don't remember, other than the Republican primary
back in fifteen sixteen, when he was when Trump was
on the stage with other Republicans Jeb Bush and Marco
Rubio and all those were those I enjoyed watching him
in those debates. In twenty twenty, I thought his debates
with Biden were horrible. I was he wouldn't let Biden speak,

(28:34):
if you take that as a measurement. I actually thought
he did at least his best effort to answer questions.
He didn't attack her a name call. I thought he
tried very hard to keep it to be stoic in
his expressions. And did you see any improvement in terms
of Trump? I thought Trump did a good job. I
just think when you're getting ambushed like that, I don't
think you can look good well.

Speaker 14 (28:56):
I think it's pretty hard because you're totally right. I mean,
somebody else was putting out a clip where, you know,
a fate moderator saying, please tell us President Trump why
you are so evil?

Speaker 11 (29:09):
But you have one second and the kind of like that.

Speaker 14 (29:11):
You know, when someone is asking you nothing but challenging,
derogatory questions and the other team is getting all kinds
of softballs.

Speaker 11 (29:20):
Yeah, it's pretty hard.

Speaker 14 (29:22):
In terms of how he was here versus the debate
in twenty twenty against Biden. I'd say it was better
for sure. But you know, all I want is for
him to smile. He never smiles. And here's the thing.

Speaker 11 (29:37):
Trump is a really likable guy. You probably have met him.
He can be charming, he can be funny.

Speaker 14 (29:43):
The last week when he was doing these town halls
with Handity, not only did he have a good command
of facts, which we didn't really see last night, he
also was really kind of endearing, which I know is
a word no one would associate with Donald Trump. But
here's what is so bothersome about this. The mainstream media
has created this cartoon character of Donald Trump, a guy

(30:05):
who is always angry and glowering and stuff, and he
kind of feeds that during these debates when he doesn't smile.

Speaker 2 (30:13):
Liz, you mentioned platitudes. Can she ever go beyond platitudes
and just you know, speak from you know, just you
know what she really feels or are we going to
always get a scripted Kamala Harris.

Speaker 14 (30:26):
Well, I don't think she can because I don't think
she has a core or a well of beliefs.

Speaker 11 (30:33):
I don't think she knows what she believes in.

Speaker 14 (30:35):
When you're taking really radically opposite points of view on
things like socialized medicine, fracking, et cetera, that isn't just
changing a political point, it's really changing a philosophy. And
you know, the great thing about Ronald Reagan was he
absolutely knew who he was. There was never any deviation.

(30:56):
And by the way, I think you can say that
about Trump. Trump does and where has he changed his
view on abortion? But guess what in twenty sixteen, he
didn't have.

Speaker 11 (31:07):
A view on abortion. This was not a topic of
interest to him.

Speaker 14 (31:10):
What interested him was money and regulations and making the
economy prosper. That literally is true, and so he tripped
himself up. Then he's gotten more favvy about letting the
States decide the abortion issue, which is really what's happening now,
But this was never something that was particularly on his radar. So,

(31:30):
you know, I think if you kind of look at
the core elements of his campaign again, peace through strength,
like Ronald Reagan, that's how he views our relationship with
the rest of the world, and also kind of how
you encourage the growth of our economy. I don't think
he has ever wavered, so he didn't articulate. You know,

(31:51):
it's really frustrating because I heard Tom Cotton and Byron
Daniels before the debate makes such a good case for
what he was going to say, and I kind of
felt like, I, please let them invade his brain. So
he says what they're saying, and he's not as good
as they are at that, but he does have.

Speaker 11 (32:09):
His courage of his convictions. She does not.

Speaker 1 (32:13):
Where does a single Liz, Where does a single debate
like this win or lose help either candidate in the
long run When we get past this news cycle and
we get in a couple of weeks from now, how
much impact will do you think that this debate will
have on the trajectory of the candidates and the outcome
of the race.

Speaker 14 (32:33):
I don't think it's huge because what did we learn
from that New York Times Siana pol the other day
that almost everybody has made their mind.

Speaker 11 (32:42):
Up about Donald Trump?

Speaker 14 (32:43):
Certainly, and yeah, there were people sitting on the fence
about Kamala Harris. Maybe it gives her a little bit
of a bump, but honestly, the more people see of her,
the less they like her. And that's kind of what
happened in twenty nineteen.

Speaker 2 (32:55):
No, I'm really saying, yeah, no, I agree with you.

Speaker 14 (32:57):
She starts fast out of the gate, and you know,
she is so inauthentic. And remember the word that really
killed Glory Clinton in twenty sixteen was inauthentic. I mean,
she's a pony. And I think people don't like that.
They don't like being played. And I do think, you know,
kind of there is this sense that she's just playing voters.
Whatever you want to hear, that's what she's going to say.

(33:20):
Who likes that?

Speaker 2 (33:21):
I don't like that. A final question for you, Liz
before we need to get to a break here. And
Greg and I have been debating this. The facial expressions
on that split screen last night drove me nuts.

Speaker 1 (33:31):
I thought it was effective.

Speaker 2 (33:33):
See Greg thinks it was effective. It drove me nuts.

Speaker 14 (33:35):
What's that you, Liz, Well, that's where my insufferable comments.

Speaker 1 (33:40):
I knew i'd be on the wrong line. I knew
Liz would agree with me. I knew it. I didn't
even have you have to ask. I just knew instinctively.

Speaker 14 (33:46):
And here's what I mean. She was so derisive, so
scornful and sneering. I don't think anybody really likes that,
except really partisan people who already hate Trump so they're
not going to vote for him anyway.

Speaker 11 (33:58):
But where does she have the biggest problem right now?
With men? Do you think men like that?

Speaker 4 (34:03):
I don't.

Speaker 2 (34:04):
Well, there's one man who liked it.

Speaker 1 (34:05):
This I didn't like it. I said that independence, it's
a way with it's facial expressions that are a retort
because she didn't have a mic on it. I thought
it was I thought it was better than a blank
look or the stair that that Trump had. I thought
I thought it was a way of saying no to
what he was arguing.

Speaker 2 (34:22):
Lizzie just heard from the one man in America who
actually liked it. I like it.

Speaker 1 (34:26):
I just I just thought it could have it could
be effective with on the side of voters. Yeah, I
thought it might be.

Speaker 14 (34:32):
I worry view, but sometimes she was dead wrong when
she's shaking her head no about something that turns out
to be told.

Speaker 11 (34:38):
She lied and nobody called her on the carpet.

Speaker 2 (34:43):
Floor, did she ever? Liz is always insight. Yes, thanks,
thanks for agreeing with me. Liz and I enjoyed the
rest down all right. Liz Peek, a columnist and Fox News,
joining us here on the Rod and Great Show. I
really want to hear from listeners, So shall we open
up the phones. I'd like to get people's thoughts on
you know, how Trump was treated last night. It was

(35:05):
a choreographed ambush in my opinion, the lies that she
got away with, you know, yeah, her facial expressions, even
though Greg and I disagree on that when I think
a little bit. I just want to get your thoughts
on this. And do you think, Greg, you make a
very good point. I don't know if it moves the
needle a whole lot. I mean, this is a very
close election. There are very few undecideds out there. I

(35:28):
don't know how much this is going to impact him.

Speaker 1 (35:30):
And we need to remember in sixteen and twenty he
was never even he was at least five percent or
more behind in all posts, Yeah, all swing states as
well as nationally. This is the first election of the
three where he's he's been ahead, and I'm not seeing
anything that is putting him behind at least so far,
even with the money line. But even those that are

(35:50):
the most bullish about her say that if she were
to have the most maybe unprecedented bump from one from
one debate, it goes from a thirty eight percent chance
that she was going to win yesterday to fifty to fifty,
fifty to fifty? Is your is your most us? It's
the dream? Yeah, And think about that versus how we

(36:11):
know he underpolls, How people still want to assign moral
failure to you supporting Trump, How people don't say it
publicly but vote for him privately. I think, I think,
I still I'm going to tell you that she Yeah,
she narrowed, it made it a closer race, But I don't.
I don't think she's ahead today. I don't think she's
winning today.

Speaker 2 (36:28):
All right, let's go to the phones eight eight eight
five seven eight zero one zero on your cell phone
dial pound two to fifty and say, hey, Rod, we
begin in Santa Quin's Tonight with Benton Benen. How are
you welcome to the Rod and Greg show.

Speaker 3 (36:40):
Oh?

Speaker 15 (36:41):
Doing great, Thanks for having me.

Speaker 2 (36:42):
You're welcome. What are your thoughts about what you saw
or didn't see last night?

Speaker 15 (36:47):
Well, when Kamla said that she went over to Europe
and Russia to negotiate the terms with the war in Ukraine,
he also stated she never been to the border and
never been to Europe. So what's true?

Speaker 2 (37:00):
Yeah? Yeah, good point, good point, good point, Benend. Did
she score any points? Do you think with anybody last night? Benton?

Speaker 16 (37:09):
Uh?

Speaker 15 (37:09):
Not with the people. I know, she's kind of skidded backwards,
and we're more independent and we're trying to I mean,
we lean towards Trump for sure because of the bigger issues.
But also they keep asking Trump who should win the
Ukraine Russian war?

Speaker 17 (37:25):
Yeah, and that.

Speaker 15 (37:26):
That strikes me wrong too, there's no winners in war.
And also we shouldn't negotiate with terrorism in Israel.

Speaker 2 (37:34):
Yeah, yeah, I'm with you on that, Benton. You're right.
And I think last night, Greg, she waffled on Israel.
You know, she stands stands behind Israel, but you know,
and when are the Democrats going to get through their
darn thick skulls. Greg. That's my opinion. There's never going
to be a two state solution in the Middle East.

(37:57):
I don't know how that it's ever gone to happen.

Speaker 1 (38:00):
I think they know it. I think that they're just
trying to appease. They've got a very frail coalition on
the Democrat side. That big tent just is just too big.
And anything they say to one side, it's like holding
a water balloon. You squeeze it too hard, it pops
out the other side. She is she is so limited
in what she can actually say by way of a

(38:21):
position because it could quiet, Yeah, it could quiet votes
that she needs. She frankly needs every vote she can get,
and she is barely hanging on. And if she takes
any stronger position, if she gets further out there on
fracking and extraction and oil and gas, the environmentalists will
leave her just they won't vote.

Speaker 2 (38:40):
All right, let's go back to the phones. Keith is
on I fifteen tonight here on the Rod and Greg Show. Hi, Keith,
how are you.

Speaker 3 (38:47):
Great?

Speaker 17 (38:47):
How are you too doing?

Speaker 2 (38:48):
We're doing well? Your thoughts on last night?

Speaker 17 (38:53):
I won't sugarcoat it. And just for the record, I
told your screener I did not vote for Trump in
twenty sixteen. I voted third party. I did not vote
for Hillary, So don't hang up on.

Speaker 12 (39:06):
Twenty twenty.

Speaker 17 (39:07):
I did vote for Trump, and I plan on voting
for him in twenty twenty four. But I would just
say unequivocally Trump lost that debate. He is not a
good debater, and I think he's a little lazy in
his preparation. Nobody's perfect, but I still think he's the
better candidate.

Speaker 1 (39:21):
You know, Keith, let me ask you this, because I
don't disagree with him, but I think compared, I think
he's had worse. I thought his debates against Joe Biden
and twenty were just I pulled my hair out. They
were so bad. He didn't let Joe Biden speak. Was
he better than that? Was he better?

Speaker 2 (39:35):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (39:35):
Than he was in twenty twenty.

Speaker 17 (39:37):
He was better than that. He was better than that,
But I was disappointed. I thought he should have done
better still, even with the debt stacked against him.

Speaker 2 (39:44):
Yeah, all right, all right, Keith, we appreciate it, your
honesty and your thoughtfulness. Let's go to Garland and talk
with Mike and I believe tonight here on the Rodden
Greg Show, Hi Miken, how are you, Hi, Rod.

Speaker 18 (39:56):
I'm awesome.

Speaker 19 (39:57):
I just wanted to say, I wish President Trump, with
his final statements, would have said, America, I am your man,
I am your president. I've done it before. I look God,
he's spared my life.

Speaker 18 (40:09):
This is what we're going to do to take it back.
Vote for me, and let's do it again.

Speaker 2 (40:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 15 (40:14):
All he had to say, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (40:15):
That good point. Well, I think he kind of did
say that last night in his in his closing arguments,
he did talk about, you know, why didn't she do
any of the things she's talking about.

Speaker 1 (40:26):
Yes, Yeah, his opening statement on the economy is by by,
you know, by even those that are not supporting him,
just as people that are attempting to be objective. They
thought his strongest moments were at the beginning and his
and at the very very end in the middle. It's
just two minutes is a long time to answer a question,
and he had a good solid thirty seconds to start.

(40:46):
But then he would start to ramble. But I would
still argue those he was still I thought more specific
on issues. I thought he resisted any temptation of attacks.
I think he I think he was doing doing what
we thought he should do to win. That it's a
coordinated ambush and it just amplifies that he didn't do enough.

Speaker 2 (41:07):
Yeah, all right, when we come back, we'll play his
closing marchs and get remarks and get to more of
your phone calls right here on the Rowden Greg Show
in Utah's Talk Radio one oh five nine, Kate and RF.

Speaker 1 (41:17):
So let's go to the smartest listening audience and all
of the land, and let's let's talk to Melinda in Lindon. Melinda,
thank you for joining us on the program. What's your
impression of the of the debate last night?

Speaker 18 (41:31):
Oh?

Speaker 6 (41:31):
Thank you.

Speaker 18 (41:32):
First of all, I love your show.

Speaker 3 (41:33):
The you have to know that it's great.

Speaker 2 (41:35):
Thank you.

Speaker 20 (41:36):
Secondly, though, I think the one thing I can always
count on with the Democrats is that they cheat. And
having listened to Kamala on numerous occasions when she doesn't
have a teleprompter, this was not her, This was she.
I just can't imagine that she didn't have access to
some of the things she was going to be asked,

(41:58):
maybe not direct access, but maybe to the people who
prepped her with the debate. So that they couldn't say
that she was made aware of the questions. But I
think she sounded like a different person than the person
that we normally hear when she talks.

Speaker 1 (42:15):
Melinda, you're exactly right, and it wouldn't be the first
time that's happened. I mean it documented that Donna Brazil,
a television commentator used to be like the chair of
the Democrat National Party, gave ahead of the debate Hillary
Clinton all the questions. Yeah, this has happened before, and
I agree with you. Her preparation was I would call

(42:36):
it even otherworldly. No cackling, no talking in riddles and
saying things that no one can track. And I just
felt like her demeanor and her preparation. I've looked at
other debates, we looked at her at our CNN interview.
This was not her. It was a different version. And
you wouldn't shock me if she had some kind of
a thumb on the scale.

Speaker 2 (42:56):
Yeah, she may have. All right, Melinda, thank you very much.
Let's go back to the phone. Let's talk to Bill
in West Valley tonight here on the Roden greg Show. Bill,
how are you thanks for joining us? Mighty fine, thank you.

Speaker 16 (43:10):
I think that what she did last night was to
prove that Bernie Sanders is right when he says she's
a very pragmatic politician. She'll say whatever she needs to
be elected. I think it's interesting that she warned us
during her interview. She said, my values have not changed.
So we've been warned.

Speaker 2 (43:28):
Yeah, we have been.

Speaker 3 (43:28):
You know.

Speaker 2 (43:29):
That's the point, Bill, that I don't think people are
catching on. You know, she says she's against fracking, blah
blah blah. She no longer is. But when she says
her values haven't changed, that tells me everything that she
has denied saying so far is in fact going to happen.
And I you know, when she said that the values
haven't changed, I think I think that's dangerous territory. All right,

(43:52):
thank you, Bill ar Yeah, go ahead.

Speaker 1 (43:55):
Read in Salt Lake City. Let's try and get some
more callers in read Welcome to the program, sir.

Speaker 21 (44:03):
All right, thanks Greg Rod. I've got to tell you
I walked the debate last night with my wife, and
she's not overly political, but after listening for a while,
she just got out left. She goes, I can't stand
that woman.

Speaker 4 (44:15):
She's a brat.

Speaker 21 (44:16):
He goes, all she does is she attacks him constantly
and then goes on the like she's the victim and says, oh,
you do all the name calling, and she said all
of those like stupid gestures she would have, and the
smiles and the tig laughs and everything he said reminded,
you know, kind of reminds you of the the mean
girls from that movie Yea, that are just brats. She

(44:39):
thinks like, oh, I'm here to win the prom, queen.
You know, But she didn't come across as intellectually just
like a like someone who would rehearse a Miss America
acceptance speech.

Speaker 2 (44:51):
That's a good way to She did come across Greg
and I'll admit she came across polished. She came across
she knew what she wants wanted to say. But earlier
we were talking with Liz Peak. Remember what people held
against Hillary Clinton in twenty sixteen. It wasn't authentic. How
authentic did commonly come across last night.

Speaker 3 (45:12):
You know?

Speaker 1 (45:13):
And by the way, in my home, Queen Bee is
mirroring the sentiments that we're hearing from our callers and
Liz Peaks and the calls that you're hearing, And it
wasn't She was driven insane by the facial.

Speaker 2 (45:26):
Expressions she was, well, see she agrees with me.

Speaker 1 (45:29):
She does to defend myself with Why did I even
admit that to you?

Speaker 2 (45:34):
You're trying to defend yourself. I think the facial expressions
last night, either the average American they were going, oh,
come on, can you please?

Speaker 1 (45:41):
Just thought it was I thought it was crafty. But
I'm I'm clearly in the minority on this radio, which
I'm happy to be on this one. I don't want
to give her credit.

Speaker 2 (45:49):
I'd rather be wrong, all right, more of your phone
calls coming up eight eight eight five seven eight zero
one zero triple eight five seven o eight zero one
zero on your cell phone dial pound two fifty and say, hey,
Rod agree or you know, here's a question because we
love to debate and see who wins.

Speaker 1 (46:06):
Oh she don't?

Speaker 2 (46:07):
Okay, so we need call am I right insane? Her
facial expressions were annoying? Or is greg right insane? I'm
just telling you that that they were beneficial to.

Speaker 1 (46:17):
Her from the eyes, folks, from the eyes of an independent,
undersided voter. No, you're saying, from the underside voter, from
the undecided voter, what is your assessment do you think
that would have been persuasive to the undecided voter, not
the people that already like Trump. The undecided voter. Were
those facial expressions persuasive beneficial? Yeah, I think they were,

(46:38):
But I don't think they were.

Speaker 4 (46:39):
I want it to be.

Speaker 2 (46:40):
I don't want to be right. Five seven eight zero
ones are like I phones are light in. I'm going
to win this one, and it's really going to be.

Speaker 1 (46:47):
No, you never win either. It's going to myself humming.
Right along, Let's go to Jim uh Salt Lake City,
Salt Lake City, Jim, thank you for calling, sir. What
say you about that debate last night?

Speaker 4 (47:01):
Well, I think Trump cleaned her clock. One of the
reasons why I say that is she told so many
lies it was unbelievable. The one that I don't think
anybody has talked about is the fact that she said
that Trump wanted to get rid of the Constitution. I
don't know if you heard that last.

Speaker 2 (47:20):
Yes, yeah we did.

Speaker 4 (47:22):
She said that he wanted that that line, she lost
all credibility for everything. And then she also said also
said that the attack on January sixth was the biggest
attack on our democracy since the Civil War. Okay, we

(47:43):
just celebrated ninety eleven yesterday.

Speaker 1 (47:46):
She had she said that on September eleven.

Speaker 4 (47:49):
Today, and she thinks that that was a bigger attack
than nine to eleven World War One or World War two.
And also she brought up the fact that, oh Trump,
he wants Project twenty twenty five. He discounted that. Yeah,
and also she said that he wants he wants to

(48:12):
get rid of our gun. I mean, she was so
far out of there that she became so unbelievable.

Speaker 2 (48:19):
Yeah, you're you're right too. As a matter of fact,
I think the Federalists today listed twenty nine lies that
she told last night debate.

Speaker 17 (48:27):
I don't even know.

Speaker 1 (48:28):
Why I'm so wrapped around the axle about this Springfield, Ohio.
But I'm telling you, they act like this is only
about cats, and it's all false. It's not what's going
on in Springfield.

Speaker 21 (48:36):
O' hi.

Speaker 1 (48:36):
I looked at this all night last night because I
could not stand the narrative about that.

Speaker 2 (48:40):
Yeah, yeah, all right, back to the phones we go.
Let's talk with Janille in Battleful tonight here on the
Rodden Great show. Janille, how are you? Thanks for joining us?

Speaker 22 (48:49):
Hi, guys, this is my first time calling, right, and
I'm coming home from Walmart, but I felt so strong
I've got to call in.

Speaker 2 (48:56):
So I still over to.

Speaker 22 (48:57):
The side of the road to give you my thoughts
fund that debate last night.

Speaker 2 (49:02):
Well please do, Janielle, thanks for calling in.

Speaker 22 (49:05):
Well, I'm sure you're aware of most people. But as
I watched it, she was just baiting him along and
with her looks. She was looking at him and glaring
at him and smiling and just trying to annoy him
as much as she could, and he was just resisting
and resisting, and the minute he gave in, it was

(49:28):
like he'd bitten the forbidden fruit. And she changed her
smile too. I got him. I have got him. And
it was so interesting to see her little smirks and
her smiles and her trying to get under his skin.
And she finally did and then her change looked it
was just like I got him. And it was definitely

(49:49):
a three against one.

Speaker 2 (49:50):
Yeah, it's sure was I love first saying college And
she's right. My wife noticed that last night. She said,
she's getting under his skin.

Speaker 1 (49:58):
You know what I just heard what thinks it was effective.
I'm going to put that in a yes column. For
Susan Hughes just got a yes column for effectiveness on
a on the looks.

Speaker 3 (50:07):
All right.

Speaker 1 (50:08):
Next, let's go to Chris and Eagle Mountain. Chris, Welcome
to the Rodd and Greg Show. What say you sir?

Speaker 23 (50:15):
You know.

Speaker 24 (50:17):
On there as far as the.

Speaker 2 (50:21):
Uh bad phone connection, bad phone connection. Hopefully we'll be
able to get you back, Chris, call back, call back.
Let's go to Zaye in Ogden tonight here on the
Rodden Greg Show. Hi, Zaine, how are you.

Speaker 4 (50:34):
Good?

Speaker 15 (50:35):
How are you guys doing today?

Speaker 2 (50:36):
We're doing well. Your thoughts about last night?

Speaker 18 (50:39):
Yeah?

Speaker 25 (50:40):
So, I mean I feel like everybody summed up the
debate very well. It was a it was a mess,
but I just was more calling about the how effective
her facial expressions were, whether they were effective or not.
But my fiance, who is very non political, hey, when

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I talk about it, I turned on the debate and
she watched about the first ten to fifteen minutes of it,
and she had to turn to me and ask if
what he was saying was true because her facial expression
to her made it feel like he was lying. So
I would say that they were very effective and probably purposefully.

Speaker 2 (51:23):
So, all right, there's another one.

Speaker 1 (51:26):
Then, I think that's part of the debate.

Speaker 2 (51:27):
Press.

Speaker 1 (51:28):
I think I know that there are people that really
turned off, But I do think that they knew that
split screen, which, by the way, Biden failed miserably. He
just had this blank stare and they they didn't realize
he didn't realize that he was going to be on
that camera. But they said, they're going to be staring
at you while he's speaking. You better be able to
have expressions that are your torque. MIC's not all right.

Speaker 2 (51:48):
We've had a lot more callers, so Warren Pushbacker interview.
Dave Owens was going to join us coming up after
our news update. We'll see if Dave can join us
a little bit later on. Right now, we want to
go back to the phones. Chris is back with us.
We lost Crag. He's from Eagle Mountain one to weigh
in on this. Chris, how are you welcome to the
Rod and Greg Show.

Speaker 24 (52:06):
Thanks guys, I appreciate taking my call. I yeah, I
had to echo what your news just highlighted. RF case
take was that, Yeah, certainly Kamala and one on substance
or on delivery and Trump one on substance. But I
really wish someone would highlight when Kamala says her values

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have not changed, we need to take her at her word.
You know, all of her changing positions are just that
there lies because they're incompatible with her Marxist socialist values,
and no one really has called that out.

Speaker 2 (52:41):
Yeah, that's a good point, Chris. We do need to
call that out because when she says her says her
values haven't changed, Greg, that means she is against fracking,
she is against funding the police, she is against having
a controlled border. She is in support of offering taxpayers
to pay for transition transition surgery for people who come
across the border illegally. That's what she means. I'm not

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going to change my mind. I may say one thing,
but this is what I really.

Speaker 1 (53:07):
And that's why she does. She never gets more specific
on any of those issues. She tries to be as
vague as possible. Let's go to Roy, who's on I
fifteen right now. Roy, thank you for calling in. What
do you think about this debate?

Speaker 26 (53:21):
Hey guys, how are you doing?

Speaker 2 (53:22):
We're doing well? Thank you?

Speaker 19 (53:25):
Good?

Speaker 2 (53:26):
Well.

Speaker 26 (53:27):
First of all, I watched the debate with my wife
last night, and I was really irritated. When the moderators
asked her if we were if our economy is better
than four years ago.

Speaker 24 (53:38):
And she did not answer, Nope, nope, Why it's not?

Speaker 27 (53:42):
Why Why will she not answer.

Speaker 15 (53:45):
Questions that are simple?

Speaker 18 (53:48):
I mean because and through the debate, my wife.

Speaker 26 (53:52):
And I are watching it, and my wife asked me
why Trump wasn't looking at Kamal and I kind of said, well,
she probably doesn't want to get sick.

Speaker 2 (54:00):
But that's a good one. Roy. It's pretty obvious to
me she can't answer that question. I mean, how do
you explain, Yeah, the economy is good, but eggs are
twenty percent higher, groceries are twenty to thirty percent higher.
The economy is really good, but everything's more expensive.

Speaker 1 (54:19):
Are you better off than you were four years ago?
The answer is just one word. It's no, and there's
no way around it. That's why she went into I
was raised in as a middle class Yeah, and she did.

Speaker 2 (54:29):
And what did that mean?

Speaker 4 (54:29):
Right?

Speaker 1 (54:30):
There should have been it. I think he didn't stare
at her because it didn't he didn't want to. I
think he was trying to avoid that I'm staring you down,
I'm trying to intimidate you. I think he was just
really trying to hold it in and be stoic presidential.
I'm sure he was coached to maybe approach the debate
that way.

Speaker 2 (54:45):
Well, remember how much criticism he got when he walked
behind Hillary or the debate in twenty sixteen? How dare
you do that? So? Yeah, I'm with you. I he
didn't want to be accused of attacking her.

Speaker 1 (54:58):
Well, mistogynist is what are one of their favorite tax
They wanted to go after him for that. He gave
him no grounds for doing that last time.

Speaker 2 (55:04):
All right, let's go to Calvin in Santa Gwin tonight
here on the Rodden Greg Show. Calvin, how are you
thanks for joining us?

Speaker 23 (55:11):
Doing great Roden, Greg? Hey, remember to bring your pets
in tonight.

Speaker 1 (55:19):
Yes, I agree.

Speaker 23 (55:21):
On Kamala, she criticized Donald Trump for bringing the Taliban
leader to Camp David. Bill Clinton brought y Ausser Arafat
to Camp David July fifth of two thousand.

Speaker 2 (55:35):
I remember that, Yep, he had both of them there,
didn't he Didney Calvin?

Speaker 23 (55:40):
Yep, I'm old enough to remember that.

Speaker 2 (55:43):
All Right, Kelvin, thank you appreciate your call.

Speaker 1 (55:45):
Hey, let's quickly let's go to Allen and from Syracuse. Allan,
thank you for joining the program.

Speaker 18 (55:51):
Thanks for taking my call. I thought, just like with Hillary,
the Kamala came off too slick, to cleverlerver to rehearse,
to inauthentic. But when you look back on this debate,
just like when you look back on the Hillary and
Trump debates, what were the memorable lines when Trump said

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you'd be in jail? Not the one everybody remembers, and
the all of his common sense, just like in this
one with the c spot run with your economic plan,
the maga haxcuse me I'm speaking? Do you remember that?
Oh yeah, let's go wake up and go, you know,
after four o'clock and that's fix this. And I think
his closing, the closing argument was by far the most powerful,

(56:37):
and what people will remember is if you've got all
these plans, why haven't you done it. You've been in
there almost four years and you haven't done anything.

Speaker 2 (56:46):
You're right, that's good point. And if we get a chance,
we'll try and play a closing remarks because I thought
they were They were very powerful last night, and it's
questioned a lot of people are raising you know, if
you've been in there three and a half years. You
say you're going to fix all these problems. Why haven't
you fixed him now?

Speaker 1 (57:01):
So And here's my here's if I were to take
that debate and I were to clip out his answers
and we were to play them as sound bites, I
think people would hear President Trump's addressing issues and we
would say, Yeah, that's what we've just said on the show.
That's what our callers are saying. I don't think he
was short on details. I don't think he was short
on specifics. I think he called out Kama. But when

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you contrast that with an organized ambush to the tune
that that the way that was it, and it just
they were they kept him on the defensive as if
he were the incumbent. He was on the constant defense
the whole night long.

Speaker 2 (57:34):
We had to Trey Mant and hear from Stacy tonight
here on the Rodding Greg Show. Hi Stacy, Hey.

Speaker 27 (57:41):
Gentlemen, thanks for having me on. Hey, one thing I
really wanted to point out with you know, with the
withdrawal from Afghanistan, the loss of life is you know,
just tragic as it is, and both Biden and Harris
have kind of like just ignored that fact, but also
another fact that President Trump should have been pointing out
is that I believe there's an argument there that the

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withdrawal from Afghanistan and leaving the amount of infrastructure, weapons, arms,
and capabilities that we left in that country. I would
argue that that's one of the largest arms deals that
went down right under the right underneath of the nose
of the public, and nobody's talking about that.

Speaker 1 (58:21):
It's it's a great point. And I'm going to tell
you that, uh that that's she she she defended that,
she's defended the Afghanistan withdrawal. And by the way, that
was not Trump's plan. If you listen to Mike POMPEII,
they'll tell you they were doing it in the winter
time so that the Taliban couldn't get over those mountains.
They had a totally different time. They accelerated that withdrawal
so they could time it for the anniversary, the twentieth

(58:42):
anniversary of nine to eleven.

Speaker 2 (58:44):
We was sickening, and Trump pointed out last night, you
have to do this, this, this, this, this, Yeah, and
they didn't do anything.

Speaker 1 (58:50):
Didn't do any of it.

Speaker 2 (58:50):
Yeah, didn't do any of it. All right, let's go
back to the phones we have. Cheryl in South Saul Lake, Cheryl,
how are you welcome to the Rod and Greg Show?

Speaker 28 (58:59):
Thank you. I just wanted to say I thought that
Kamala won the debate at first, until I thought about it,
and she did everything just like a narcissist. They ask
you to forget the past, not think about the past,
and if you don't refuse.

Speaker 15 (59:15):
To forget the past, they.

Speaker 6 (59:16):
Say you're mean and negative.

Speaker 28 (59:20):
They try to convince you that everything bad that you
think as bad as in your head or someone else's fault.
They try to control your money supply, and then when
they get what they want, they do nice things for
your friends, to turn your friends against you and your enemies.

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And they promise you if you.

Speaker 2 (59:44):
Just give them one more chance, that.

Speaker 23 (59:48):
They'll give you what you want.

Speaker 28 (59:50):
But if you give them what they want, as soon
as you do it with lightning speed, they go back
to just the way they were.

Speaker 2 (59:56):
Yeah, good point, Cheryl. Thank you appreciate that.

Speaker 1 (59:58):
I love our callers. They weren't. They weren't fooled by
any of this. Last night. They see they see what's
happening here. Let's go to Scott and Garland. Scott, thank
you for joining the program. What say you about the debate?

Speaker 3 (01:00:10):
I just have five words, and it's because I can't
stay on the radio.

Speaker 2 (01:00:13):
What it was.

Speaker 1 (01:00:17):
Fewer or more than you would say otherwise I'll try it, Scott,
we'll say if we'll keep you on the air.

Speaker 3 (01:00:25):
Copious unmitigated bovine seacl hyperbole. Driving home from Seattle last night,
listening to that on the radio was more painful than
the kidney stone that I passed last week.

Speaker 1 (01:00:43):
Man, I never got the memo. And those kidney stones,
they are they are absolutely brutal. And I think your
comparison is accurate, sir.

Speaker 15 (01:00:52):
It is.

Speaker 2 (01:00:54):
Well, first of all, driving from he's leaving Seattle at least,
so that's the first his wife. But then the kidneyst thing.
All right, back to the phones we go. Let's go
to Brad and Mapleton tonight. You're on the Roden Great Show. Hi, Brad,
how are you good?

Speaker 24 (01:01:08):
Hey, Darren?

Speaker 29 (01:01:09):
Thanks for taking my call.

Speaker 2 (01:01:10):
You are welcome.

Speaker 19 (01:01:12):
Hey.

Speaker 29 (01:01:12):
So the thing that I think, I think there was
one key point that I wish that Trump would have
brought up, and I wish that he would have pointed
out to the fact that just a couple of months
ago he was in a debate with Joe Biden and
point out the fact that Kamala Harris, as has been
the case with her entire career, had this landed right
in her lap. And the party that continues to call,

(01:01:35):
you know, Donald Trump a threat to democracy, you know,
they're the party that held a coup to over to
push Joe Biden out, you know, to elevate Kamala to this,
to this position, and to give her this opportunity.

Speaker 30 (01:01:47):
And I wish that you would have pointed out that,
you know what, you just landed in your lap. You
didn't receive one vote to get to this point to
debate me tonight, and just kind of point that out
to the people that you know, they're the ones calling us,
you know, calling Donald Trump a threat to democracy. It's
the Democratic Party that's a threat to democracy and by

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their actions and everything that they're doing. So I wish
that he would have pointed that out. I think it
was a you know, he was in a tough position
going into it. I think he knew it was going
to be a setup, and it was just very frustrating
to watch.

Speaker 2 (01:02:21):
Yeah, it was three against one, that's for sure. Last night.
He should have pointed that out. I mean, she hasn't
received one vote yet, she's the Democratic nominade for the
White House. Really wow.

Speaker 1 (01:02:30):
Yeah, there are so many issues and I and I again,
it's it's hard to know where he could have interjected,
given that he's got moderators that would stop him every
time he tried to get into an issue.

Speaker 2 (01:02:41):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (01:02:42):
So look the Rotten Greg Show and we put this together.
One of the things that we were both convinced we
need to do is we have such a great bench
of really knowledgeable politicos in the state of Utah, and
we get a lot of great guests from around the country.
But Utah's very own political consultant strategist, Dave Owen, is
joining us on the program today. Dave, I have known

(01:03:04):
you since my early twenties. I have watched you debate issues.
I've watched you strategize on issues. I've seen I've seen
behind the curtain my friend, and I can't think of
anyone I really want to hear more the assessment of
what we saw last night. I know we texted a
little bit last night and I shared with you some
of my thoughts, but maybe you share with listeners what

(01:03:25):
happened in that debate last night, and what's the what's
what's your takeaway?

Speaker 31 (01:03:30):
Well, I want to start by saying, I think Greg
that you are a dirtball sumbag and Rod, how big
of a dirt ball comebag? Do you think Greg is?

Speaker 4 (01:03:39):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:03:39):
I'm learning more and more every day. How big of
a dirt ball scumbag he is?

Speaker 31 (01:03:45):
Okay, you're qualified for ABC News.

Speaker 1 (01:03:49):
I felt like Trump and that very that was the whole,
that was the process, wasn't it. You're a dirt ball?
What do you think?

Speaker 2 (01:03:57):
Yeah?

Speaker 31 (01:03:58):
Oh yeah, How big of a dirtball do you do
you think he is? It was incredible. Trump was told
by his folks that he was going to be playing
against man to man defense. He comes out to a
three on one zone. It was a little disconcerting.

Speaker 18 (01:04:14):
For a while.

Speaker 31 (01:04:15):
But one of the things I want to know, Greg,
and you've been in a position of responsibility before. How
long are Republicans going to continue to be this stupid
to walk into these ambushes like this on ABC and
giving CNN and the rest of them an opportunity to
conduct debates.

Speaker 1 (01:04:34):
Yeah, you know, but here's my here's my thought. I
you know, he was he was arranging these with a
brain dead Biden, who he thought, give you can put
the thumb on the scale you want, you still have
to talk. And I think he felt that he had
an advantage at that point. And then when Kamla came
on the scene, she didn't seem to be able to
string a few sentences together either. That's why I think
he did it. But I don't think anyone's ever going

(01:04:55):
to make that mistake again.

Speaker 31 (01:04:57):
Here's the thing I don't understand is why in the
world do we keep having reporters do the debate moderation?
Is there any less trusted group in America today? And
I was asking myself, what are all the human traffickers busy?

Speaker 3 (01:05:16):
Truly?

Speaker 1 (01:05:17):
I mean, I'm laughing, but I honestly would take an
honest trafficker.

Speaker 31 (01:05:22):
No, no, why not use car salesman or book golfers
for uber drivers? I mean, anybody but reporters. And once
again we learned last night how untrustworthy they really are.
But I don't honestly, you guys, I don't think that
debate moves the needle, do you.

Speaker 2 (01:05:39):
No, No, I'm with you on that, Dave. I you
know you list to the follow up and there are
a lot of people who say, we still don't know
who she is, we still don't know where she stands,
so at this point, you know, and Trump last night
in his closing argument, I thought made a good point,
where have you been Kamala for the last three and
a half years? As this country is going to the
hell in the hand basket? Where have you been? And

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I thought that was a very strong closing argument last night.

Speaker 31 (01:06:06):
I think that was strong. And the other thing that
would have been strong is if he would have held
up a mirror to see if you could see her
in it?

Speaker 1 (01:06:14):
You know, Dave, let me ask you this, this is
do you think that the longer the memory of this
debate really will be? ABC is now officially out of
the presidential debate business? Will that be the memory? Will
people take?

Speaker 3 (01:06:28):
Hope?

Speaker 1 (01:06:29):
So, I mean that's what I'm thinking it should be.

Speaker 31 (01:06:32):
And the other thing is I've thought about it today
and kind of read things and whatnot, as I feel
like I cannot really imagine anybody who was going to
vote for for Harris changing their mind and voting for
Trump and vice versa. I can't imagine anybody who was
planning to vote for Donald Trump and there are what
like three undecided people in the country, and right now

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it's looking pretty good for him and the fact and
this is what did come out at the end. And
I saw a woman I don't even know, I don't
remember who did the focus group, but she was an
ordinary citizen. She said, she said, she basically said, both
of these people have been in office, We've seen what
they will do. And she said, my life was better

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under Trump and went through and listed a bunch of things.
It's what they call an ab comparison. You know, there've
we've watched it, and I was thinking about it. You
put Obama in one square, Biden and another, Harrison another,
and Trump or the other, and then do Sesame Street.
One of these things is not like the other, and we.

Speaker 2 (01:07:35):
All get to choose.

Speaker 31 (01:07:37):
We all get to choose what four years was the best.

Speaker 2 (01:07:40):
Between all of those. Yeah, And you know, I just
can't imagine. Yeah, go ahead, yeah, well, And I hope
that's what voters ask themselves when they go into vote
of the voting booth this November. When was I better
off during Biden Harris or during Donald Trump? And I
think the answer is pretty simple.

Speaker 31 (01:07:58):
And I was going to say that all your call
has already said everything I was going to say, because
there really were some good callers there.

Speaker 3 (01:08:05):
It is, And.

Speaker 31 (01:08:07):
A couple pointed out the fact that the great defenders
of democracy now have a nominee who has never received
a single vote from a single Democratic voter for president
or nominee for president, and yet she has the nerve
to run as this is the part I love runs.
She's trying to run as a change candidate. And I

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think you're right that at the end of the debate
last night, Trump kind of called heads on that, you know,
and I didn't think he was at his best, Greg,
And you say, I have coached a lot of debate
and he drives me crazy. And the reason he drives
me crazy is because he could be so good. And
I don't know that it's a fault of his coaching,
you know, the people that are working with him, because

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Trump is Trump, and he's going to be Trump, and it's.

Speaker 15 (01:08:53):
A good thing about him and it's a bad thing
about him.

Speaker 1 (01:08:56):
Here here that Dave Owen, thank you for joining us
on the program, and I again love the insight. Uh
would you come back? Will you give us more of
this insight? I love it. I love the mirror. Hold
up the mirror and see if she could see her
reflection in it. That's brilliant.

Speaker 31 (01:09:08):
Greg, I like text you three times a week asking
you still have me on.

Speaker 2 (01:09:14):
He's tough, you know, Dave, now that he considers himself talent. Yeah,
it's really getting hard to live with.

Speaker 11 (01:09:23):
True.

Speaker 2 (01:09:24):
True.

Speaker 1 (01:09:25):
I came to on Bended yesterday begging you for your
analysis and insights. Sir, you know it's true.

Speaker 2 (01:09:30):
Hey, David, thank you. Enjoyed the rest of the evening,
Dave very much, my pleasure. Thank you. All right, Dave
O's a funny guy. I'm telling you, he's spot on
it with a lot of that stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:09:40):
We've got to have more on the program more often.
He is probably one of the most insightful and strategic
political people I know in Utah.

Speaker 2 (01:09:47):
Yeah, thinkers of Utah, that's for sure. All right, more
coming up on the Rod and Greg, Joe, can you
believe the week's half over? More than half over. It's
gone fast, It has gone fast. What's going on? Well,
one of the more interesting stories that is going on
around the country right now is what is happening to
the small town of Springfield, Ohio. Yes, Springfield, Ohio is
a town of about fifty eight thousand, right right around

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fifty eight thousand, but over over the last several years,
they have been invaded I guess we could go them
by Haitian refugees, and there's real concerns about the impact
that's having on the on traffic safety, the impact is
having on individuals, and the debate over household pets like cats, yes,
and dogs and geese.

Speaker 1 (01:10:31):
I'm telling you, I don't know why it infuriates me
so much, but they are. They are the Democrats, these leftists,
the Harris campaign. They are mocking the plight of the
people of Springfield, Ohio, and they're going in they're drilling
down to this issue about they're eating the cats. Okay, yeah, yeah,
well we're going to play it's not just cats. Okay.
I will double down on that. By the way, I
am absolutely convinced that everything that we're hearing from these

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residents there are actually happening. Whether the city officials or
city manager wants to tell David Muir whether it's happening
or not.

Speaker 2 (01:11:01):
Well, the governor of Ohio, Mike the Wine, came out
today and said we don't have any evidence of cats
or dogs.

Speaker 1 (01:11:07):
Yeah. Meanwhile, he spent I spent all night last night
looking at their local Springfield paper because I wanted to
find out what was really what was really being said,
and I want to share it with our listeners. He's
sending two and a half million dollars there, and he's
doing this before this became a big national issue because
it is just collapsing in that town, which, by the way,
Governor Dewant has a has a Haitian nonprofit. Can you
believe that?

Speaker 2 (01:11:27):
Surprise? Surprise?

Speaker 1 (01:11:29):
So I want you to play the clip of the
nine one one because this is a resident and I
looked this up on Google mouse this he gives a
coordinate in this in this nine one one call, it's Springfield.
I'm want to make sure it wasn't Canton, Ohio or
something else. This is the town, this really happens.

Speaker 2 (01:11:44):
Here's the call from a resident there to a nine
a non nine to one one number at the local
police station.

Speaker 20 (01:11:50):
Park County Communication.

Speaker 32 (01:11:52):
Oh, yes, man, I got a question.

Speaker 15 (01:11:54):
This is a non emergency life right, Yes it is.

Speaker 24 (01:11:57):
Okay.

Speaker 32 (01:12:00):
Here, I'm riding on the trail going to my orientation
for my job today and I see a group of
Haitian people. There was about four of them. They all
had geese in their hand. They got away. I couldn't
make out the first three in the license plate, but

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I got the numbers. The last number was nine eight,
nine eight, and it was a great Toyota Tacoma that
joke off on.

Speaker 23 (01:12:32):
There was about four of them.

Speaker 32 (01:12:34):
There was two men, two women. I couldn't tell the
eights because I'm in a I'm in a hurry going
to this orientation, so I don't be late.

Speaker 2 (01:12:46):
Yeah, now, what would what would you what do you
think would happen to us? Greg? We're near Decker Lake, Okay,
and we have a lot of geese, I mean yes,
geese around this building. There are you know, there are
What do you think would happen to us if we
just grabbed a couple and killed them?

Speaker 1 (01:12:59):
I'm telling you wouldn't. It's not acceptable, it's not legal.
You can't do you can't do that, And this is
happening in this town. I don't care what they say,
so I've got right here. The attorney Ohio's Attorney general
is responding to the Haitian migrants overwhelming Springfield, Ohio, Okay.
The response comes in response to Springfield, a town of
less than sixty thousand residents, being flooded by approximately twenty

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thousand Haitian illegal aliens over the last few years. The
Ohio Attorney General Rod He noted that local residents have
complained about the illegal aliens causing car crashes, stealing property
including livestock, squatting in homes, and killing wildlife for food. Now,
when it talks about the car crashes, you have unlicensed
to Haitians that are without driver's licenses trying to learn

(01:13:43):
how to drive. Over a year ago, one of them.
A bus hit a bus, a child died. Two dozen
other children in that bus were harmed and injured. And
so this is I love how well there's not a cat?
So oh okay, what about the kid that died? What
about the I mean two dozen kids on the school
bus that were injured? What about the geese? Like everything else,

(01:14:04):
all the insanity that's going on, the Democrats would have,
you would tell you if you can't find me a cat,
I don't have a problem. I don't have a thing
to worry about. And if you look at Chicago, they
don't care that human beings are suffering. So I think
I think it interrupts their whole cat thing about you know,
jd Vance and their cat meme, you know and your
swiftye Taylor Swift having a cat in her hand when
she in the picture of her when she endorsed problem.

Speaker 2 (01:14:26):
Yes, Megan Kelly is not happy with this today, and
we'll play there.

Speaker 1 (01:14:30):
I'm just telling you that the cats are not safe
in Springfield. People are not safe in Springfield. And they
can't dismiss this and act like Trump's being crazy because
actual people are being harmed and there's just there's ample
evidence that this is happening in that town.

Speaker 2 (01:14:45):
Well have We don't have time to play this, but
there there's a story today about an elderly resident in
Springfield and she says she now leaves her house with
a gun and a pit bull, Yes, just to be
safe because so she said, yeah, she's been followed and
growed by Haitians. She says, she and her family no
longer feels safe. What a bizarre story this is.

Speaker 1 (01:15:07):
They have got they have gone all in. And by
the way, this small little town which is about the
size of I think Harriman is larger than this town. Okay,
And in October of twenty three, they had to create
the Immigrant Accountability Response Team. This city did. And what
do they spend their city tax payer money on housing
for these immigrants? Driver instruction?

Speaker 2 (01:15:27):
Yeah, because they're horrible drivers. They want to drive, but
they don't know how to drive.

Speaker 1 (01:15:30):
Unemployment. So that city of less than sixty thousand or
have a committee or whatever it's called that Immigrant Accountability
Response Team using city tax payer money for housing, employment
and teaching them how to drive so they stop.

Speaker 2 (01:15:44):
Killing them out. All right, more coming up here on
the Erotic Greg Show and Utah's Talk Radio one oh
five nine k n RS.

Speaker 1 (01:15:53):
I'm on tilt. It means that I'm I just I
went over the edge on this debate. I finally have
had it. I went over that spring Field, Ohio stuff
that they completely lied about. I know it's just one
of the many lies, but it's just to know that
many citizens are being impacted negatively and there it's such
an indictment of this current administration and they just demean
it down to a cat and it's not true. Next question. Yeah,

(01:16:16):
and it's just it's bigger than that, and I just
makes me mad.

Speaker 2 (01:16:20):
Did you see what happened to Biden today? I don't know,
how they did this. I'm looking at this video, but
they got him to put on a Trump hat today.

Speaker 1 (01:16:27):
These don't know some people in Pennsylvania, boyl, these guys,
these old duffers, they say, hey, put this out on.
He's like, I'm not going to go that far, and
they said do it. I've seen a picture if we
if the Rod and Gregg Show had a camera, we
would show you the picture. It's brilliant.

Speaker 2 (01:16:40):
It's a brilliant picture.

Speaker 18 (01:16:41):
All right.

Speaker 2 (01:16:41):
Now, the story another big story today. Everybody's going crazy
over this. You include you. You were excited when you
heard this admitted Taylor Swift came out today and indorse
Kamala Harris after the debate last night.

Speaker 1 (01:16:53):
I'm not excited about any of that. You're the SWIFTI
in now.

Speaker 2 (01:16:55):
I am not the SWIFTI but you are. But of
course you know thes are. Oh that's great. But there
are some, including Megan Kelly who just went off on
this last night. Listen to Megan Kelly on the Taylor
Swift endorsement of Comma.

Speaker 13 (01:17:10):
I'm allowed to criticize Taylor Swift, and I don't give
who gets upset.

Speaker 6 (01:17:14):
This is disgusting. She wants to vote Harris Wallace.

Speaker 13 (01:17:17):
She can do it all she wants, but to say,
the reason she's doing it is because of Tim Walls's
stance on LGBTQ, FU, Taylor, Swift and f all of
the people who want to see these children have body
parts chopped off and watch them sterilized under the age
of consent, and then we'll ride off to their multi
gazillion dollar mansions, never to think of them again.

Speaker 2 (01:17:44):
What you're what you're looking at me for? You are?

Speaker 1 (01:17:48):
You are part of the Swift problem?

Speaker 2 (01:17:50):
You are?

Speaker 1 (01:17:51):
That's you? You being a swift ye doesn't help us
over here.

Speaker 2 (01:17:55):
Well, okay, she's going to attract eighteen to thirty year
olds young women, do they vote?

Speaker 1 (01:18:01):
I don't know. No, I don't let you know, but
I do think because she's friends with Patrick Mahomes wife
and Petrilmes like Trump ports Trump. She said, you know,
vote your conscience, vote who you want to vote for.
I think she threw that in there somewhere in the
endorsement so that she wasn't totally you know, I don't
just trying to be a little fair, I guess, but
you know, I'll say this. I just someone just sent

(01:18:22):
me that Frank ln know this Republican so called Republican
polster says, I think Trump loses the election over this.
That is anybody who understands polling and understands I mean,
and I'm not saying that I do, but I've been
reading and I've been listening to a lot of posters,
and I'm talking some of the ones that are like
a Nate Silver, who is not a Republican, who actually
has admitted he's going to vote for Kamala Harris, who

(01:18:42):
says that most of his subscribers to his modeling and
his polling want Kamala Harris to win. He is saying
her best case scenario after that debate is it's now
a toss up at fifty to fifty. So to see
Franklin saying, oh, this is going to cost him the election,
that is that is again spin that we're going to
have to endure going forward. But just listeners, I want
you to know this. In twenty sixteen, we had a

(01:19:04):
much higher hill to climb in terms of polling, in
terms of data, in terms of perception. In twenty the
same thing, Remember we were in COVID YEP, we had
mass mailing of unsolicited ballots it was a lot lot
harder than we have a much stronger candidate, We have
a much stronger sentiment Nationally, we have a trial and
we still have a shy Trump vote, so he under polls.

(01:19:24):
I think I think that right now he is winning
this race. If the election were today and everybody voted today,
he would be the next person.

Speaker 2 (01:19:31):
They're so giddy. I wonder if this will smoke her
out a little bit and she'll try and do some
interviews or news conferences.

Speaker 1 (01:19:37):
Try it.

Speaker 2 (01:19:37):
I don't see it happen, because this was well rehearsed,
you know. But you let her off without any script, you'll.

Speaker 1 (01:19:43):
Be well, if you don't have Trump in the same room,
then they got to actually ask her those questions.

Speaker 2 (01:19:47):
Yeah, well, and she won't want to do that. Well, no,
that's kind of true. That's kind of true. Yep, all right,
that does it for us tonight. As we say each
and every night, head off, shoulders back. May God bless
you and your family, and there's a great country of ours.
Thanks for joining u US today. Greig and I will
be back tomorrow at fourth. Have a good evening.

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