The Rod and Greg Show: Electioneering Accusations in the Salt Lake County Recorder's Race; Lymans Asks Lawmakers to Disqualify Incumbent Cox

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You know, I'm the wing man, I'm Goose. I'm talking
to Maverick. So we have the team sing on so
I can see my co host and you should see
what he has for by way of a chair. This
chair is like from out This is like a spaceship chair.
It vibrates, It has his legs up in the air.
It actually has like a straw that he can sip
his drink just if he moves his head to the side.

(00:20):
It's a it's quite the contraption.

Speaker 2 (00:23):
Yeah, yeah, it's a normal welcome back, pardon, thank you,
thank you. It's great to be back. We've got a
great show lined up today. We'll talk about what's going
on in Salt Lake County. Amy winder Newton will be
joining us coming up here in a little bit. We'll
also talk about the latest coming out of the Mid
East and Israel and Hamas, the killing of the Hamas
leader yesterday, and of course it is thank Rod and

(00:45):
Greg is Friday in the five o'clock here. We'll go
over a lot of political news, a lot going on
out there again, Greig. Greg Habby just had a SoundBite
with Trump calling Kamala a loser for not showing up
at the Al Smith dinner last night. You just gotta
love the guy. He cracks me up.

Speaker 1 (01:03):
That's so yeah. No, no, no, here's the thing we couldn't
There's just not any one thing to do on the
on like on the campaign, because there's just so much
to cover, so many different things. The Al Smith dinner
was a riot. I'm sure you've heard a lot of
clips from that. We're going to share some with you
as well. But then, I'm telling you, Kamala Harris just
cannot get it right no matter what she does. This
is why the momentum is not going your way. I

(01:25):
think people that don't want to vote for Trump are
actually starting to worry that if she were elected, what
in the world would it mean. MSNBC is going out
of its way to try and let her correct the
record on some areas they know she's weak on, like
how do you separate yourself from Biden? They cannot keep
asking this question more often and her answer does not
only does it not get better, it gets worse. Okay,

(01:47):
there is a clip I hope we can play today
that it's it's the worst version of that answer. What's
different from you than Biden? That I've heard up to date.
It's the worst way to answer it. So there's just
so much. There's that, there's there's a you know, Democrat
Senate candidates who had thought their campaigns were in the
bag in their states. Nice surge is starting to bring
the Republicans up. And you've got Bob Casey in Pennsylvania

(02:09):
putting Trump in his ad saying I agreed with this guy.
I mean, talk about it, and he's never agreed with him.
So it's just it's something else. There's just too much
to talk about.

Speaker 2 (02:19):
They're smelling I think blood in the water. But as
we do every Friday, I want to start off with
a Friday favorite story to Greg. This comes from the file. Now,
wouldn't you think, okay, did you hear this story out
of Germany? A brand new fire station in Germany was
destroyed in a fire. It did not have a fire
alarm system. Yeah. Wouldn't you think in a fire station

(02:44):
they've had, they would have some sort of fire alarm system,
But apparently not in this town in Germany. The fire
broke out early Wednesday morning. Among other things, the equipment
hall and almost a dozen emergency vehicles, including fire trucks,
were destroyed. Initial estimates put the damage at twenty one
to twenty six million dollars. No one was injured, but

(03:07):
a brand new fire station burns down because they didn't
have a fire a lot. You know that's wouldn't you think.

Speaker 1 (03:13):
You can't call the fireman when the fire station is
under is on fire? Yeah, I mean who do you call?

Speaker 2 (03:19):
Who do you call?

Speaker 1 (03:20):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (03:20):
I mean that's just one of those nutty stories. All right,
let's talk about Let's talk about Al Smith and the
dinner last night with Donald Trump. I know e Ray's
got some sound bites there, but I tell you what
you and I were talking. She didn't show up. She
sent this weird video. I mean, I'm not quite sure
what this video was all about. She got booed for
not showing up last night. Greg, here is another missed

(03:42):
opportunity on the part of her campaign to show a
little bit of her humor and that she's a human.
And they missed this opportunity. What a bonehead mistake that was.

Speaker 1 (03:52):
And then they chirp afterwards they said that, oh, he
stumbled through his written jokes and he had a hard
time doing it, and they just want they took it
shot at him for being there and going through that.
It's just these are just missteps that just continue to happen.
I saw a clip from the twenty sixteen Al Smith
dinner where Hillary Clinton's there with Trump. They're running against

(04:13):
each other. It's again nineteen days out before the election,
and he congratulates Hillary for getting the nomination and says,
we have an race. And in nineteen days people will
decide it's a moment of civility because they're coming around,
they're coming together for these Catholic charities, which are incredibly important.
And I think a an, you know, this is traditional,

(04:33):
this always happens for her to remove herself from that
in its tradition. I don't know who's advising Actually I'm
glad whoever's advising her, you keep going, just you just
keep telling her to avoid moments like that where it
could show her humanity, It could show a side of
her that we don't see. But now I hope they
keep it up, because I mean, it's that bad. If
this is her best behavior, could you imagine if she

(04:55):
were to win, what she would be like if this
is her on her best day, trying to to convince people.

Speaker 2 (05:01):
Well, Greg, here's another mistake. You brought that up. Apparently
she was heckled at a rally was it in Pennsylvania
or Michigan yesterday by some people getting after what did
she say? Greg? Here's another bonehead mistake on her part
because she doesn't know how to do things on her feet.

Speaker 1 (05:17):
Yeah, she doesn't. Her comment I've watched it. This is
so offensive to me that I thought, surely that what
I heard yelled out in the crowd, she's commenting on
something else. There must have been something else that was said.
So I've watched this video from three different perspectives, and
it is actually the case that someone yells.

Speaker 2 (05:37):
What is it that Jesus Lord? Jesus is Lord, it's
the Lord?

Speaker 1 (05:41):
Yeah, yeah, And she stops her speech and she says,
I think you're at the wrong rally. Wow, And people
cheer and she goes, I think you're at the smaller
one down the street. Because Trump was having a rally
in Wisconsin. One of the videos I saw was someone
who had tended head attended both. And you're not surprised
by this, but the Trump ray had a lot lot
more people than the Kamala Harris rally. But why would

(06:05):
you if someone said Jesus is Lord, and they said
this at a rally. Why would you say they're in
the wrong room. I mean, I don't know. And the
day after you've just blown off the Al Smith, the
Catholic fundraiser for Catholic charities. I just I don't know.
She's just trying to get that Heathen vote. You know,
there's a bunch of Heathens out there she's trying to get,

(06:25):
but doesn't even know. I think our ballots says there's
like a Lucifer just in case. Dude, if you're the
Heathen vote, you're going with that crazy name, not even
for her.

Speaker 2 (06:35):
Yeah yeah, well yeah. Let me ask you this, Greg,
You know what if Harrison Walls lose in in what
a little bit more than two weeks? We can only hope, right,
but do you think Democrats if in fact she loses
and there's a strong repudiation of the Democrats from where
they stand, I mean, it's a big Trump win, do
you think they'll change the Democratic Party in any way

(06:58):
as liberal and progress as they seem to have gotten now.
I mean, look at late term abortion, amnesty for illegal aliens,
you know, the dangling of marijuana legislation outright offensive and
pandering to the black culture in America today. Do you
think anything will change with the Democratic Party. I don't
expect it to do.

Speaker 1 (07:17):
You it's a good question, because you would think after
they got up so wrong in sixteen, there'd have been
a self course correction for the media and everyone else
knowing they're on the wrong side. You'd think with seventy
four million votes in the twenty twenty race, even though
Trump by hook or crook or whatever you want to
call it, did not prevail, but seventy four million people
is a record by fourteen million, more than anyone had

(07:38):
seen any presidential candidate received by way of votes. They
would respect that kind of voter turnout and that kind
of support. They did not, So I think if you
look at past performance, they're not going to take any
They're not going to learn any lessons from this. But
if they don't, you're going to see a party of addition,
where you're going to see more and more people gravitating

(07:58):
to a party that is common sense. It's a platform
of common sense. It'll be less partisan and more common
sense because they are just they are just doubling down
on some of the most radical and I think misguided crazy,
dangerous policies. You can imagine. I just you're losing young
men thirty years of age and younger. Maybe it's because

(08:19):
you don't recognize what a man is. Maybe because you think,
you know, men can be women. Maybe it's so I
just think that they I don't know if they're connecting
the dots or they want to.

Speaker 2 (08:28):
Yeah, all right, We've got a lot to get to
on this. Thank Rod and Greg is Friday and Utah's
Talk Radio one oh five nine Cannais. When we come back,
we'll talk with a member of the Salt Lake County
Council about a dispute over a campaign piece possibly that's
coming up right here on the Rod in Greg Show
and Utah's Talk Radio one o five to nine kN rs.

Speaker 1 (08:48):
Yeah. So we've we've been getting We've got the smartest
listeners in the world. We've gotten a lot of feedback
of a real controversy that's gone on in Saltlake County
related to campaigns and elections. Salt Lake County official mail
that goes out with your tax notice and other things
that are included in that envelope, and the allegation and

(09:09):
what I think looks clearly like electioneering where an elected official,
county elected official in Salt Lake County running for reelection
is using county resources and its mail to promote themselves
in an election that are we are just two weeks
or two and a half weeks out from so to
join us on the program to kind of get some
clarification and maybe some answers. Saltate Councilwoman Amy Winder Newton

(09:33):
is joining us on the program. Councilwoman Winder Newton, thank
you for joining us.

Speaker 3 (09:38):
Yeah, thanks for having me on.

Speaker 4 (09:40):
Greg.

Speaker 1 (09:41):
So, I watched the public hearing, or I watched about
twenty minutes of it, and because I was pointed in
that direction to see what was going on, and first off,
thank you for protecting the taxpayer dollars and looking after
that and really calling out something that needs to really
be stared at. I don't know if I got it
accurate the way I described it, but I really do

(10:01):
believe what you have is somebody's campaign flyer that has
a bio of them and a picture of them. And then, oh,
by the way, on the second side, what justifies trying
to put it in that envelope is there's this this
property watch program, But what an odd time to do
it right before an election. I think these terms are
four years. It could have been last year, could have been,
it could be next year, but it's in a year

(10:23):
that she is running for reelection as county recorder. Let
me ask you, were you satisfyed? Maybe if there's some
context you'd like to share with our listeners, please do
that I haven't mentioned. But then are you satisfied with
the answers that you heard from the recorder?

Speaker 3 (10:37):
Well?

Speaker 5 (10:38):
No, and it's frustrating, and boy do we, Boy are
we frustrated to have to even ask our attorneys if
something is electioneering right like this is.

Speaker 3 (10:50):
These are tax pay dollars sent to mail property tax notices.
And the Treasurer was told by Senator Harper in his
bill this session all the treasures throughout all of the
counties in Utah that they had to advertise information about
Property Watch that helps protect people from fraud and scams

(11:11):
with their property. And so most counties are just putting
it as a few sentences at the bottom of the
property tax notice. Well, they went above and beyond to
print a flyer to talk about it, which is fun.
That would have been great and it would have saved
taxpair dollars had they just done a single side and
maybe one color, But no, No, the recorder, who wasn't

(11:32):
even statutorially responsible for putting it out, did a full color,
double sighted slick flaer with her picture and name in
giant letters on the front side and information about the
recorder's office, and then the backside had the information about
this property Watch program. And when I first got my

(11:53):
property tax statement by.

Speaker 5 (11:56):
Email and saw this, even on the email, the attachment
says front and it's her picture and name and then
back and that's the information about the program. So we
wanted to address this. We've asked our attorneys, is this electioneering?
And they say, well, according to state law, because she
didn't ask somebody to vote for in the flyer, it's

(12:17):
not considered electioneering. But it's definitely unethical and we're pretty frustrated.
We never allocated budgetary funds for her to do this.
It's just frustrating to see this. I mean, they could
have saved tax pair dollars by just putting the information
about property Watch in a flyer, but the fact that
her face shows up, and to make matters worse, most

(12:38):
of the property tax notices were received.

Speaker 3 (12:41):
The same day as ballots, So you have people filling
out their ballots. You have somebody who's got their face
and name on a taxpayer funded mailer and document, and
it's the same picture as what she has on her
campaign billboards and her campaign website. It's not even Salt
Lake County colors on the mailer, it's actually her campaign colors.

(13:04):
So we're pretty we're pretty frustrated, and so I'm working
with my colleague and Granado. We're going to be putting
forward an ordinance to our colleagues to fix this because
this is ridiculous.

Speaker 2 (13:16):
Amy, Amy, this rout our kad. It sounds like the
current regulations may be a little fuzzy. According to the
county attorneys who have looked at this, is the attempt
to really tighten things up and be real clear is
what you can and cannot do? Is that the goal?

Speaker 3 (13:32):
Absolutely?

Speaker 5 (13:33):
I mean, I think we're exploring all different options, everything
from you know, any time between these certain dates or
you know, so many days before an election that you're
part of, you know what you can and can include
even on official documents, because you know, we had another
incident where our treasurer included his deputy treasurer's name on
the property tax notices, and the deputy treasure is running

(13:56):
for office this year. So in that same set of
documents she had, you know, the same issue, and so
not quite to the same extent, not as agreeous as
actually having enough full color flyer with your picture on it.
But still, you know, we've got some issues we've got
to figure out, and we've kind of just always expected
that these independent elected officials would just take the high
road and you know, ensure that integrity and being ethical

(14:20):
is at the top of their game. But we've were
frustrated with this.

Speaker 1 (14:23):
It's really frustrating, counsel when I have two questions. One,
you've been there, I think a decade. Have you ever
done this? Have you ever done it this way? No,
that's right, I didn't think you did. So it's not
like you know, you're applying any rules or standards that
you yourself haven't just assumed would be appropriate with taxpayer dollars. Second,
I thought that the the there was no interest in

(14:46):
the Recorder, Rachelle Hobbes, or any of the people she
brought whether to speak to you about this issue. None
of them could answer why if it was so important
to have a separate flyer, even color, so that the
so constituents and property owners of sol Lay County would
know that this great programs there, which you've said, and
I agree that's an important program. Not one of them

(15:08):
would answer the question that you asked, and that is, well,
why wouldn't that be on the front of the flyer?
Why would you have the glossy face picture bio of
the recorder and then put the whole purpose for having
that flyer in the county paid mailer on the second
pay on the backside. They wouldn't even answer that question. Again,

(15:32):
I guess I'm pointing that out, but I'm saying to you,
is this a bipartisan recoil on your council, be it
Republican or Democrat that thinks that she has clearly overstepped here.

Speaker 5 (15:46):
You know, we had Aaron Gronado who is going to
be working with me on that ord that's changes the Democrats,
So we're definitely participating in a bipartisan effort on that
ordinance change. You know, I had some of my Democrat
colleagues who did push that on me when I wanted
to add this to the agenda and say this isn't
you know, this isn't something we need to be taking

(16:06):
about in public, and they wanted to push it aside,
and I insisted, no, this is absolutely the public's right
to see what is going on and for us to
have transparency. And I stand by that. I mean, we
even have asked the question this program, this property watch program,
has been in existence in the Recorder's office for five years. Now,

(16:27):
why suddenly is this the year that they send out
not just this flyer and the property tax notices, but
they did a press release and she's been doing media
interviews to talk about this great program right before ballots drop.

Speaker 3 (16:40):
And it's just to me, I hope we get elected
officials who care more about the public and tax dollars
than they do about their own re election campaign.

Speaker 2 (16:48):
Amy, do we know for certain that taxpayer dollars was
used in this flyer? Do we know that for certain?

Speaker 3 (16:54):
Absolutely we do.

Speaker 5 (16:55):
They spent ninety six hundred dollars on the printing, of
course to what they said, and those were absolutely tax
dollars that were spent. The mailing goes out either way,
because we have to mail the property tax notices, but
those are also using tax dollars.

Speaker 1 (17:11):
I think it's important to note that I've seen printing,
and I've seen printing costs. If you don't put her
campaign colors on that flyer and it's not colored, that's
a cheaper print if you use one side of a page,
like for property Watch and not for her face, her
image who she is during a campaign, so it's not
two sides, it's just one side with a Property Watch,
printing one side of a black and white would be

(17:32):
a lot less expensive than a two side glossy of
her campaign colors. Am I seeing that?

Speaker 6 (17:37):
Right?

Speaker 3 (17:39):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (17:39):
In fact, my policy advisory. So just find out what
color copies would be for that. She said, it's half
the cost if you just did one color instead of
full color, and you need full color to do a photo, right,
that's why they did full color. But yeah, it would
have been half the cost, and to do one side
probably would have saved even more.

Speaker 2 (18:01):
Amy final question, where do you go from here? What's
next in this? In this investigation or examination that you
took taking a look at.

Speaker 3 (18:10):
Well, I'm really glad that we brought them to our
council meeting and had them speak in a public meeting
about this. I think that's important for the public to hear.
The next thing is in the coming weeks, council Woman.

Speaker 5 (18:22):
Granado and I will be bringing forth an ordinance change
that addresses this. We're working right now with our staff
on that, and so you know, we're going to from
here on out hope that voters are smart enough to
see through this. I think they are, and that we
can get past it and then move forward in a
positive direction.

Speaker 1 (18:42):
Councilwoman Salt Lake County Councilwoman Amy wnder Newton joining us
on the program. Thank you for bringing this to light.
Thank you for working on this. It's it's probably more
important for you to discuss it now while we're in
this window of this selection, because whether there was an
ordinance that allowed her to do this or not, or
they've used a logical extreme to do what they've done,
it's not right, it's not ethical, and this is why

(19:03):
people hate politics. Frankly, this is what feeds into the cynicism.
So thank you for bringing that to light. We appreciate
your work.

Speaker 3 (19:11):
Thank you.

Speaker 2 (19:12):
All right, more coming up The Rod and Greg Show,
the Friday afternoon edition right here on Utah's Talk Radio
one O five to nine knrs. The Big News coming
out in the last couple of days was the death
of the Hamas leader, a strategist as a matter of factor,
responsible for the largest massacre of Jews since the Holocaust.
He's dead, killed by Israeli defense forces, holding in his

(19:33):
hometown or hiding, I should say, in his hometown of
Arafa in Ghanza. So the question now is, Greg, I think,
what's next. Where do we go from here? What does
this development lead to?

Speaker 1 (19:44):
Yes, So joining us to just sort all of that
out is Victoria Coach. He's vice president of the Institute
for National Security and Foreign Policy at the Heritage Foundation. Victoria,
thank you for joining us on the program, of course, but.

Speaker 3 (19:57):
I think you guys are burying the lead. You said.
Having an election really maybe maybe folks have write about
this in the paper. I'm in Pennsylvania. Oh, I know,
I'm in ground zero.

Speaker 1 (20:12):
I'm embarrassed to say, Victoria, that I have not this week.
I have not given this, this this big, big news
the tension that it deserves because of this big election
that we're watching and talking about. And that's why we
had to have you come on the program and kind
of sort this out for us, because I did not
know that Kamala Harris was such was such a hawk.

(20:32):
She got on the television and she told everyone, guess
what we were involved in all this, and watch out, Terrish,
if you ever do this again, we'll come find you.
But I swear that's the one that said, we got it.
We can't let Israel be in in Rafa, we shouldn't
even be there. I'm just so confused. Could you help me?

Speaker 3 (20:48):
No, this is this is really ridiculous. And you know
what we've seen this for now over a year from
the Biden Harris campaign that they have been trying to
restrain israel I mean, and everybody has the clips of them.
And in the April May time frame of saying any
any Israeli incursion and to Rafa would be disastrous, horrific,

(21:10):
Israelis went in any way, they discovered all of the
tunnels under the Philadelphia Corridor and then finally Cots and
were in Rafa. And so mean, what do they wish
she was still alive? Because that's what their policies would
perpetuate is the same thing we've been doing for the
last fifty years, which is allowing Hamas, allowing Hasbelah, allowing

(21:35):
the other terrorist groups in the West Bank to get
to attack Israel. Israel could only go so far and
responding then we demand the cease fire and everybody lives
to fight another day. And Israel at this time after
October seventh, said no, We're not going to do this anymore.
And it does go you know, to the folks of Utah.

(21:56):
It's not just you know, kind of a coastal thing.
I was in Jerusalem with Senator Lee in May of
twenty twenty eighteen when twenty seven yeah, no, twenty eighteenth, sorry,
losing my third there when we opened the new US
embassy in Jerusalem. He was there at that opening because

(22:17):
he knew it was important to the people of Utah.
And that's why this matters to our whole country. This
is a really critical battle, and she's on the wrong
side of it, you.

Speaker 2 (22:29):
Know, Victoria, Victoria. What really cracks me up, I think
sometimes is the fact that the United States apparently feels
that has a right to tell Israel how to conduct
this war, and Israel, I'm glad does may any attention
to what this administration is telling them, I mean to
the Israelis have got to be laughing at us sometimes
for us thinking that we have a right to tell

(22:50):
them what to do.

Speaker 3 (22:52):
Well, I think they're a little confused because the US
taxpayer has made massive investment in Israel over the last
really fifty years since the Nixon administration, but most significantly
since the Reagan administration, to the tune about one hundred
and fifty billion dollars. Now, just to put that in perspective,
that's less than what we've pledged to Ukraine over the

(23:14):
last two and a half years, but still a very
significant investment from my perspective. It has paid huge dividends.
But the whole point of it is then Israel becomes
our point of force projection in the region, like they're
the ones we are and equip. This is what President

(23:34):
Trump always said, you're the kinetic arm. We will do
the other things and we will supply you. But you
guys are there like you're on the ground. So you
guys handle it. And that's how we should be doing this.
And all of these guys sinwar in israela shukra, I mean,
they're all on our rewards for justice list being millions

(23:55):
of dollars on their heads, blood of Americans on their hands.
We should be thanking them, not trying to restrain them
as they're picking these people off, and you know, finally
we might have a new possibility in the region for
peace and actually for a better future for the Palestinian people,

(24:16):
if that's what they want, because these bad actors have
been eliminated.

Speaker 1 (24:21):
You know, I think it's important. I just get Bears
repeating what you said that this Hamas leader, Sinemhara, he
would be alive today if Israel had complied with what
the Biden and Kamala administration was demanding of them. And
I think that's an important distinction, because Israel ignored them.
Is it fair to say that Hamas has been defeated?

(24:42):
I mean, they're not releasing hostages yet, Iran saying that
the Hamas is still going to be around, and they're
trying to, at least by image or perceptions, say that
Hamas is still around. Are they.

Speaker 3 (24:54):
Well, the Iranians, I'm sure hope they are, because they've
sunk so much money into them. But the old wine
is that the Iranians will fight to the last Arab
on this battle. But they're certainly not going to put
a Persian into the battle. And in this case, you know,
Prime Minister net Yahoo, and his remarks yesterday, to my eye,

(25:15):
really laid out the terms. For the first time an
Israeli prime minister came out and said, Okay, here's the deal. Yeah,
let the hostages go, including five Americans, I would add,
who have been in this most cruel captivity for more
than a year, and bodies of other Americans are in
this group. So let them go. There's not going to

(25:37):
be an exchange, there's not going to be a negotiation.
You release them, you lay down your arms, you stop
attacking us, and then we'll start talking about the day after.
And those are the terms they've lost. Israel has won
by any conceivable metric. So allowing the Biden Harris administration

(26:01):
or the United Nations God forbid to try to force
Israel into negotiating with the non existence Palestinian entity is ridiculous.
No wave the white flag, put down your arms, and
then we can talk about it. But until then, I mean,
I'm sorry, we're just going to keep doing this.

Speaker 2 (26:21):
Yeah, Victoria, we appreciate a few minutes of your time.
We understand you were in Utah recently. We hope you
enjoyed your stay here and have a great, great weekend.
Thank you.

Speaker 3 (26:30):
It was fantastic being in prov look forward to being back.
Thanks guys, Thank you.

Speaker 2 (26:35):
All right. Victoria Coates, she is vice president for the
Institute for National Security and Foreign Policy at the Heritage Foundation.

Speaker 1 (26:42):
Hey, you know, we just got off that had a
great interview about the Hamas leader being killed. You know,
you had Kamala Harris on TV as if she's the
commander in chief announcing this that this, you know, this
Hamas leader has been killed, very you know, trying to
project strength, talking about how the United States was involved,

(27:03):
heavily involved in this and warning terrorists if they if
they act this way, the United States will hunt them down.
It sounds very hawkish, it sounds very tough. I know,
that's what she's trying to achieve in a campaign that's
eighteen days out. Here's the problem, Rod, and you know this,
and we talked about on the interview. She didn't want us,
she and Biden didn't want us to be in it,

(27:23):
didn't want Israel to be in Rafa at all. And
now there's an article that I'm reading that the Pentagon
is clarifying today that the US had no role in
identifying and taking out this Hamas leader. Sinowar that they
had no role, the US had no role in it
at all, which does not comport at all with what

(27:43):
her big statement was in front of the press announcing
that he had been Hamas leader had been killed.

Speaker 2 (27:51):
Yeah. You know what's fascinating about the story as I've
been reading as to exactly what happened, Greg, you had
this unit the Israeli defense for US. This was a
training group so to speak. These were, you know, fairly
new soldiers in the battle. They were going through the
streets of Rafa where you know, Kamala and Joe said

(28:11):
they shouldn't be They see these three you know, members
of Hamas, they run away from them, run into One
goes into one building, the other two go into another building.
The one that goes in, of course, is Sinhoar. This
force goes in, they send in a drone after him.
He throws a stick at the drone, which I think
is pretty pretty hilarious, trying to scare it away. They

(28:34):
didn't want to go in. They didn't know what was
in there, so they called up a tank, and a
tank went in and blew the heck out of the building.
And they because they are so new in this battle, Greg.
They didn't realize who they had just killed. I mean,
they had to call in other members of the IDF,
those who have more seniority and understand this, to be
able to identify that they had just killed Sinoar. At first,

(28:58):
they didn't know who he was. It's pretty amazing story.

Speaker 1 (29:01):
Do you know what my takeaway is from your story?
Went in doubt get a tank?

Speaker 4 (29:06):
I love that.

Speaker 1 (29:07):
I just love those guys. I love what they did
to get, you know, to wage this war, and to
have such international and in the United States pushing against
them to stop, to cease fire with a group that
has no intention even as of today, no intention of
ceasing any kind of attack. For them to just persevere

(29:28):
and go through it, you think it's almost automatic. But
as you've read, as I've read issues, there's some pushback
within Yahu's own cabinet, like, I don't know, should we
really be out here on this limb by ourselves? But
there is There are just principles that they followed in
terms of their own survival as a country, and they
held to those and again against everything that all the

(29:49):
pressures that were put upon them. Peace through strength really is, folks.
You know you're going to see peace in this country
from the playground to Israel rest of the world. Peace
through strength is how you do it well.

Speaker 2 (30:01):
And I love what Victoria said when we talked to
her just a moment ago from the Heritage Foundation BB Netanyao,
Who's message to you know, the Palestinians in Gaza and
to who I'm as look at. We've killed all your leaders.
If more crop up, we'll take them out too, Okay,
So lay down your arms, release the hostages, and we
can maybe start talking about what we do in Gaza

(30:24):
and with the Palestinians. But I guarantee you, Greg as
long is Iran, as Iran is behind this, I don't
think it changes a thing that could be different. A
lot of pressure on Netanya who now to do something here,
but Bib is not going to back down, and I
don't think he should at this point.

Speaker 1 (30:39):
Yay, I'm gonna ask you. I just want to I
want to talk about the politics of this for a second.
You know, she Kama's having trouble in Michigan. There's some large,
uh you know, Middle Eastern Muslim populations in the United States,
and this is why you've seen her kind of doing
this gymnastics in terms of trying to be all things
to everyone. Does this hurt her politically? Where she has

(31:00):
tried to finally pick a side and project some strength
even though it's not valid. Does that hurt her in Michigan?
Does that hurt her more than it looks like she's
going through right now.

Speaker 2 (31:12):
No, because she's on the record earlier saying you shouldn't
go into Haffa. So she's walking both sides. Yeah, she's
walking in the middle. So they say, well, look at
I said don't go into Haffa. And on the other side,
you'd say, boy, good for the Israelis to go in
and take out Sinewar. So she walked the line. So well,
I don't think it'll hurt her politically. It may who knows.
We'll know in two and a half weeks for sure.

Speaker 1 (31:33):
Well, we do know she's she's you know, she's taking
water in Michigan, really, in Wisconsin, in Pennsylvania really. And
so I think that the double speak is catching up
with her, actually catching up. I don't know that she
ever shook it. I think she's been in a game
of double speak from day one. I think that there
was this initial or forri about it's not Biden. She enjoyed,

(31:54):
but it's been all downhill from there.

Speaker 2 (31:56):
Yeah, that's for sure. All right, Thank Rod and Greg Friday,
your phone calls coming up in hour number two. Stay
with us. Apparently, the Fox News Channel, the interview the
other night with Kamala Harris Fox News Channel delivered seven
point eight million viewers and one point one million in

(32:16):
that twenty five to fifty four demo. It was a
huge audience as a matter of fact. I mean, it's
pretty amazing that it outrated Harris's individual performance on sixty
minutes the view of The Late Show with Stephen Colbert,
So I'm not surprised that interesting. By the way, some
of you listening today may have heard about Donald Trump's

(32:38):
appearance at the Al Smith Dinner in New York City
last night, which is traditionally a dinner where both candidates
show up. Kamala decided not to. Trump had a field
day with that. Kamala left this weird video. Did you
see the video, Greg of heard, you know, explaining why
she couldn't be there.

Speaker 1 (32:56):
It was was just it wasn't that sarahy not live
Yeah whatever, her character, yeah character, It's just a weird
weird day, strange, but a lot of people.

Speaker 2 (33:06):
I mean, you even have Brian's Stelter, who's been a
critic of Trump since day one on CNN, admitted that
he was funny and he was hilarious last night. So,
you know, Trump, I think Trump scored some human points
and I think she missed a real chance last night
to show her human side or maybe a funny side,

(33:27):
if she even has one.

Speaker 1 (33:29):
You know, Gaffagan is the MC and he's a comedian
and he's not been known to be very pro Trump
at all, and he was. I thought he was really
critical of Kamala Harris for not showing up. He wasn't
apologizing for it, I'll tell you that. And I again,
that is just that was just low hanging fruit for

(33:50):
a campaign to be there and to you know, and
do what they've all done and during that time, and
they couldn't get it together. They couldn't do it.

Speaker 2 (33:57):
Yeah. Well, Eray has put together a montage of some
of the zingers from Donald Trump last night. We'll play
those a little bit later on in this hour. But
let's go over some of the election news.

Speaker 3 (34:06):
Greg.

Speaker 2 (34:07):
Let me share with you, Greg, just a few of
the headlines that I'm seeing in stories today. This from
town Hall, the collapse of Kamala Harris. Here's another one.
Desperation replaces joy and good vibe for harris campaign at
worst possible time, Political which is not a right leaning
website in the least bit. Political trump mentum, that's what

(34:29):
they're calling it now, not momentum, but trump mentum among
black voters is real, showing that the numbers are out there.
Here's another one. Donald Trump has to love this news
talking about the election cycle, and even now, I guess
Nate Silver is giving him an advantage in the election
so far. So there's a lot of good news on
the campaign front today for Donald Trump.

Speaker 1 (34:50):
So I subscribe to Nate Silver's Silver Bulletin because I
want to hear. And he's, like I've told you before, folks,
he does admit his a preference of Harris over Trump,
and but he tries as hard as he can or
at least pretends to to be analytical about it all.
But it all seeps through.

Speaker 7 (35:10):
Boy.

Speaker 1 (35:10):
I'll tell you what. He's put more words to describing
why Trump finally going ahead in his in his modeling
doesn't really matter, you know, why folks are still get
you know, forty nine fifty one, don't These aren't numbers
you should worry about. He actually should, and I'll tell
you why, because in the races that he won or

(35:30):
received record numbers of votes that have never been seen
before sixteen and twenty, he was always outside the margin
of era in the polls, and being outside the margin
of era wasn't leading, it was trailing. And so when
you get into these last nineteen days or eighteen days,
you know, it's a very different atmosphere than we saw
prior to the sixteen race. Prior to the twenty twenty race,

(35:51):
there was at least a conventional wisdom that the Democrat
was going to carry the day in those two races.
In sixteen, Trump won and twenty Trump did not win.
But the turnout was just jaw dropping in terms of
and how close it was. It was forty thousand voters
over four different states, had they voted differently. The left
was completely caught off guard by that. By those kind
of returns, here you have a different atmosphere. You have

(36:15):
one where he's not within the margin era but trailing.
He's now in many polls ahead, and that makes it
for me, who's worried about, you know, election interference or irregularities.
It's going to be hard for the Democrats to flip
the script and tell you that, Oh, turns out she
won with the mindset that we all have today that

(36:36):
we didn't have in sixteen or twenty.

Speaker 2 (36:39):
Yeah, it's just well, speaking of polls, Greg, I wanted
to bring this up. We talked about this briefly during
the break. David Brooks, who was a well known columnist
in the New York Times, had a column today and
here here's the headline of the column. Greg, you'll run this.
Why the heck isn't she running away with this? That's
the headline of the story. Should should we send David

(37:00):
de nottan say she's not running away with this? Because
she is a very bad candidate. It comes down to that.

Speaker 1 (37:07):
It is I mean, I think Trump, I think President
Trump is very lucky. Former President Trump's very lucky in
that if they were going to replace Biden was all
you heard me. I was very afraid it'd be a
Michelle Obama. And I don't know that he could beat
a Michelle Obama. She wouldn't have to own any of
the bad record that's going on now. She'd be smart
enough to say what she'd do differently than Biden Harris,
and so that was a scary scenario for me, which

(37:29):
we avoided. Then we're looking at Pennsylvania, which many people
believe is the lynch pin, the keystone state to this
election and the electoral college victory. Had she chosen Governor
Josh Shapiro, I don't know that necessarily that Trump would
be ahead in Pennsylvania because Josh Shapiro is a very
popular Democrat governor yes, and I think he's good on

(37:49):
his feet. Certainly would show and do better than Walls.
Governor Walls has done so far in a state that
they didn't gain anything by getting him on the ticket
by way of state electoral votes. We're lucky that you
picked the If you didn't have the worst candidate in Biden,
you got the next worst candidate in Kamala. And then
if you had to have someone pick the worst of
all the list of people I saw that could have

(38:10):
been her running mate, she picked the one that was
least electable in Governor Tim Walls. And so we're very
I mean, so there's those factors that come into this,
and I just don't think that he's he's leading with
Latino votes. And when I say leading, I mean he's
getting a far greater share this time than improv question.

Speaker 2 (38:27):
But he's getting a bigger share.

Speaker 1 (38:28):
Much bigger female votes. You know she was getting of
the black vote. Males are going her way in the
black vote space and women as well. Only seventy three
percent of women who are going to vote for Kamala Harris,
ninety three percent of black women voted for Barack Obama
and Hillary Clinton. The unions are more for Trump than

(38:49):
ever before. You have pete young men thirty years of
age and younger migrating right to Trump and not to
Kamala Harris. So when you look at math and you
look at you know, any campaign as game of addition,
I don't see any of those numbers growing for her.
I see only those numbers growing in the Trump campaign
and now rippling over into the Senate races, because now

(39:10):
you have people like Bo Democrat Senator Bob Casey from
Pennsylvania putting Trump in his ads, not to attack himazing,
but to say he agrees with him. Yeah, it's amazing
that that is quite the statement. I gotta tell you.

Speaker 2 (39:23):
Well, a little bit more on what Broke Brooks wrote today.
You were talking about the polling numbers. You know what
baffles them. He doesn't understand why Kamala Harris is not
cleaning Donald Trump's clock. Well, that's pretty easy. We both
agree she's a very unseerious candidate, if you want my opinion.
The second thing he says that baffles him. It's an
interesting question, Greg, I think you and I both have

(39:44):
an opinion on this. Why has politics been fifty to
fifty for over a decade. We've seen big shifts in
the electorate, college educated voters going left, non college educated
voters going right, But still the two parties are almost matched.
And he quotes some authors who wrote an article for
the American Enterprise Institute called Politics without Winners, and those

(40:07):
two authors said, we have two parties who play the
role of the minority party. Each party runs campaigns focused
entirely on the faults of the other, with no serious
strategy for significantly broadening its electoral reach. So I go
back to the question he has, why, in your opinion, Greg,
has politics been fifty to fifty over the last decade?

(40:29):
Because he cites when Roosevelt was in charge, the Democrats
ran everything. When Reagan was in charge, the Conservatives or
Republicans ran everything, So we haven't had anything like that
in more than a decade.

Speaker 1 (40:41):
You know, I don't agree that that they they do
certainly run like a minority party and that they all
all they want to do is attack the other side.
That might be a factor. I think the American people
are looking at Washington, DC and they saa unit party,
and they really can't they can't discern the difference between
either one of them. So you're looking at a coin
flip in terms of who you want because you're getting

(41:02):
the same result out and I think there's there's been apathy.
I don't think you've seen the kind of excitement you're
seeing for the Republican Party like you see right now
in the past, because I just think that you know,
when remember when Bush was president and we had the
Republicans had control of the House and Senate, you didn't
see anything done. There was nothing, nothing that you can
really point to that was transformative like in the Reagan

(41:25):
years or other times. So, you know, I just think
that part of the problem with the electorate in the
past has been it's been a unit party. I think
that's going to change. And I'm telling you, if the
if the Democrats, these leftists, if they if they want
to continue to kick out the likes of Elon Musk
out of their party, the RFK juniors out of their party,
the Tulsa Gabbards out of their party, and they want
to claim the Liz Cheney's and the Mitt Romney's. I'm

(41:47):
going to tell you that you will start to see
better than fifty to fifty in this country. You're going
to see people go to the Republican Party, I think
in big numbers.

Speaker 2 (41:54):
Yeah, you're right, all right. Now, we want to get
to your phone calls because it is thank Rodin Greg
Is Friday of the phone line are open to you now. Greg,
while I was out, I understand he had a lot
of phone calls. A lot of people want to weighing
in on a number of issues here in the state
and around the country. We want to hear from you
as well tonight. Why do you think politics has been
fifty to fifty over the past decade? That and other

(42:14):
other comments or thoughts you have on what's going on
with election coming up right here on The Rotten Greg
Show and Utah's Talk Radio one O five to nine
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Speaker 1 (42:23):
Steve, Welcome to the Roden Greg Show here on this Friday.
What do you what's on your mind?

Speaker 8 (42:28):
Hi?

Speaker 9 (42:29):
Guess yeah, I had a couple of things, but I ain't
doing them on.

Speaker 4 (42:32):
The prints right now.

Speaker 9 (42:33):
Is during the interview with Brett beare Uh, Kamala kept
bringing up, well, this guy doesn't like him, this for staffer,
you know, and all this stuff without letting they have
people know that most of those guys that didn't like
him is because they fired because he fired it. What
President Trump needs to do is to go find Kamala
staffers that I've quit. It's actually and there's a whole

(42:57):
bunch of them, and there's a whole bunch of them
quit like I think it's been two turnovers.

Speaker 2 (43:03):
That that is a great idea, great points. You noticed
the one thing I noticed about I think you're referring
to that commercial or her reference to all these people.
Every one of those people in the commercials like Esper
and John Bolton and these guys, they're all swamp creatures.
They're inside the Beltwagh creatures. And that's why Donald Trump
they didn't like because he was willing to shake him up.

(43:25):
And that's why they don't like the guy. Yeah, he
did fire him. He fired him because they wouldn't do
what he wanted to get done. I found that, you know,
no one will explain that all these people showing up
are all swamp creatures and that's why, that's why they
didn't get along with Donald Trump.

Speaker 1 (43:40):
It's a great point, Steve, Thank you for the call.
And here's the thing. Shit, Like, I think it was
a ninety two percent turnover in her office in what
three years? A little over three years? Has anybody out there,
any listeners, have you ever worked in an environment where
ninety two percent of every employee is quit and just
got out of there, or just a ninety two percent turnover?
I mean you, that's a that's I would call that

(44:01):
a hostile work environment, is what I would call that.
I mean, yeah, no other way to describe it.

Speaker 2 (44:06):
Well, the number I saw greg forty nine of her
original staff members. Out of the forty nine of her
original staff members when she was put in or when
she went into the vice president's office, forty four of
them quit. Yeah, so five ormain. So that tells you about,
you know, her inability to effectively run an office. And
you think about this Greg, go back a question that

(44:28):
you and I have raised before. What has she ever
run in her life?

Speaker 6 (44:34):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (44:35):
Me, you know, she has never really run anything. Okay,
maybe in office, but that's completely different from different from
running the government or running a company. And she just
never has done it well.

Speaker 1 (44:48):
And I think that what emphasizes that is that she
just outside of hate Donald Trump, fear Donald Trump, you know,
vote for me, she just can't really put anything out there.
She recently said on I think think that was the
Charlemagne the God you know podcast, Here's what I'll do
for you Black America. You guys, I'll give you a
weed marijuana and I got and we're gonna give you cash.

(45:12):
And and I think it didn't move the needle. And
she's already, oh, in reparations, everyone, we're getting you're all,
everyone's getting reparations. And it it it went over like
a lead balloon. And so today they are they are
already I think that was a two day old policy
that she had revealed on that on that podcast, they're
already backing away from that. Now they want to give

(45:33):
Now they're saying, oh no, it's for everyone. Wait a minute,
reparations for everyone without regard to race, color, creed, religious creed.
I I just I'm telling you, I don't think when
you ask the question as she run anything, When you
see the answers and you see the or the the
positions she tries to proffer, and how they don't hold water,
none of it is substantive. None of it is. And

(45:55):
if you go back you look at Donald Trump. There's
a video of him when he was thirty six years
old and they asked him about America and about what
if he were president? What would he do when he's
thirty six? Mind you, it sounds like the man we
know today in terms of making America should be great,
It should be leading everything in this world. We need
to be that country. And I mean the things he

(46:15):
talks about. And they said, you can run for president.
He says, it's an ugly This is when he's thirty six.
It's very ugly. And he says, frankly, I don't know
someone who has who takes strong positions like I do.
And sometimes those will be unpopular in politics. I don't
know if a guy like me could get elected. He
said this. I mean way back whence the guy's been
the same guy. Yeah, and so very consistent in his

(46:36):
worldview and in his belief in this country. And you
couldn't find a more opposite candidate than in Kamala Harris.

Speaker 2 (46:45):
Was that the interview he did on Oprah show years
and years ago and apparently they were best of friends.
Now he hates her or she hates him?

Speaker 1 (46:52):
I should say, yeah, it was around the same time period,
but it was a different interview show.

Speaker 2 (46:56):
Yes, but you're right. I've seen him on Oprah Show
years and years years ago and his answers, it was
like his answers back then are the same as yesterday.
The guy has not changed his belief in how this
country should be run, what the challenges we face in
this country, Greg, And he believes in this country. I mean,
he's never wavered on that. Where you just you wonder

(47:17):
how much Kamala Harris believes in the United States of America,
and I emphasize United How much does she want to
bring people together? She says she can. She says, you know, oh,
this's a big deal, Greg, She's going to appoint a
Republican to her cabinet. Wow, that's a major step toward unification.
You wonder how unifying she actually wants to be, or

(47:39):
she just wants to take her very progressive agenda and
shove it down the throats of the American people who
didn't vote for her.

Speaker 1 (47:46):
You know, I think what happened. I compared this yesterday
to I watched these TV crime shows and they put
a black light in a room and looks like an
otherwise clean room is just flattered with blood. You know,
you can see it everywhere. I think COVID was like that.
For us. We just saw everybody, all the unhinged people,
all the sheep, all the people that were ready to
become a totalitarian state and completely comfortable with it. And

(48:08):
once they came, once they were out and they were
talking the way they were, that that party, that Democrat Party,
just went that way so hard and fast, and I
don't know that they can pull it back. And I'm
telling you I find them. I think they're a victim
of their own agenda. And if you have a president
like Biden who was really not in charge, and you
don't have to worry about history remembering your radical positions,

(48:31):
you can get pretty cavalier in that oval office. If
you can do it and not have to be take
the credit for it, you're part of the dark group
that's actually running the country. If we continue to have
a president who's just in president and name only, and
you have other people running this country making decisions that
impact people negatively, I don't think that trend ends. I
think it gets worse.

Speaker 2 (48:50):
Yeah, I think you're spot on, all right, it is,
Thank Rod and Greg is Friday lines are open to
you eight eight eight five seven eight zero one zero
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got some more colors wanting to weigh in on the

(49:10):
Rodding Greg Show on this Friday.

Speaker 1 (49:12):
Sure, due, Let's go to Sam and Payson. Sam, Welcome
to the Rod and Greg Show. Thank you for holding
what's on your mind today?

Speaker 7 (49:20):
Hey, thank you for having me. I just want to
say I'm a foreigner. I'm from England and I'm a
youngster who just recently got married, and I just want
to just say to the American people, please, please, please
please vote and go out there and actually vote, because
as a youngster, depending what happens on the elections is

(49:43):
gonna determine if we can make.

Speaker 3 (49:45):
It or not.

Speaker 7 (49:46):
Because right now I'm working three jobs just to make
ends meet. So I just want to say, let's get
out there, let's vote, and let's be vocal, and let's
take pride in our country. Crime's gone up, and basically
we need a true leader in office.

Speaker 1 (50:04):
Well said Sam, Thank you very much for the call.
I will tell you. I'll tell you this, and folks,
this is the case. I mean, if you're worried about
an election integery, if you're worried about in the large
metropolitan areas of the United States where they may you know,
stuff the ballot box, so to speak, I'll tell you
what I've said to that when I was a water
Boy assistant coach slash water boy to my the younglings

(50:25):
in gremlin football and peewee football, when they were mad
that the ref could, you know, call the game the
wrong way and they could lose if they if the
ref did it. There's not a single ref they can
They can throw a game if you're ahead by three touchdowns.
And I'm going to tell you right now, we have
got to vote, We have got to get there is
no complacency there's no time to think that someone else

(50:45):
is going to do it for you. What Sam said
could not be could not ring truer. And at the
times we're in, we all have to vote, and we
all have to They have to see a turnout that
they have never conceived of before. So thank you for
the comment. Let's go to Steve and Provo. Steve, welcome
to the program and to the what do we call

(51:07):
it now? Rod Rodd and Greg fri Thank Rodding, greg
Is Friday?

Speaker 2 (51:12):
What's on your mind? Sorry?

Speaker 1 (51:16):
What's on your mind?

Speaker 8 (51:17):
Stat Hey, Rod and Greg? The thing that I have
been thinking about I haven't heard anyone talking about it.
And that's what happens when our government turns off these
payments to the hotels and payments to apartments and EBT cards.
I've heard estimated that there's anywhere between ten to twenty

(51:37):
million people that are, you know, basically on the government
dole while they try to sort out their citizenship. What
happens if you essentially that gets turned off.

Speaker 1 (51:48):
It's a good question. I'll take a stab at it.
I think that you'll see some unrest at first, but
I think that the deportation of those that have been
allowed into this country illegally. I know the regime media
and the Democrats want to say that this is some
scary scenario. I think some of this will be obvious

(52:08):
as to who is going to go home. They don't
have the free hotels, they don't have the free stuff anymore.
You may see some of that self migration, but certainly
the criminals and the element that's here, there's just there's
going to be a lot of work that needs to
be done to try and repair this country over the
damage that's been done over the last three and a
half years. And I think we'll watch that play out.
But I'll tell you what, whatever pain that is, it's

(52:29):
nothing compared to if we kept in this trajectory.

Speaker 2 (52:31):
Yeah, and you know what, Greg, I think every survey
that I've seen shows that the public is ready for
a mass deportation. They want a system put together, and
I think Donald Trump and his team will do that
to rid this country of people who shouldn't be here,
who've come into this country, weren't properly vetted, have criminal records,
and the American people are saying, how you have no

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right to be here, And every poll I've seen, and
I think it's usually by about sixty percent of the
voters say we want them out.

Speaker 8 (53:00):
Well.

Speaker 1 (53:01):
In the Great Recession, one of the stats that no
one really tracks is that they're with there aren't jobs.
And if we're good about not giving jobs to illegal aliens,
some of them go back because they realize that they're
not getting the support. And that happened in the Great
Recession in two thousand and seven or eight, and you
saw those those trend line, those numbers go down. Hey,
should we play the montage right now? I don't see

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any callers on the line, and we gotta well, let's
break it.

Speaker 2 (53:24):
Then we'll come. Let's take a break and then we'll
come back with that or E Ray's looking at me
funny like it may be too early. Go ahead and
do that all right? Here is the montage. E rate
put this together. This is Donald Trump at the Al
Smith dinner last night, where he had a lot of fun.

Speaker 10 (53:39):
But Catholics, please don't be too insulted by Kamala's absence.
If the Democrats, thank you very much. I appreciate that
the Democrats really wanted to have someone not be with
us this evening. They would have just sent Joe Biden,
a major issue in this races childcare, and Kamala has

(54:02):
put forward a concept of a plan. A lot of
people don't like it. The only piece of advice I
would have for her and the event that she wins,
would be not to let her husband Doug anywhere near
the natties. Just keep them away.

Speaker 1 (54:17):
That's a nasty one.

Speaker 10 (54:19):
Chuck Schumer is here looking very glum.

Speaker 3 (54:25):
Looks lomb It looks to love.

Speaker 10 (54:29):
But look on the bright side, Chuck, considering how woke
your party has become. If Kamala loses, used to have
a chance to become the first woman president, I'd like
to thank MC this evening. Jim Affagan. Most recently, Jim
has been playing Tim Watson Saturday Night Live, and that'll

(54:50):
be a very short gig. I hope, Jim. But unfortunately
Governor Wats is in here himself.

Speaker 2 (54:57):
But don't worry.

Speaker 10 (54:58):
He'll that he was.

Speaker 5 (55:00):
He's going to say that.

Speaker 10 (55:04):
Well. I had better wrap up because Mayor Adams told
me earlier that I needed to make this one very quick.
Especially the city has reserved this room for a large
group of illegal aliens coming in from Texas. There's a
group called white Dudes for Harris. Have you seen this
white dude for Harris. Anybody know are some of you
hear white dudes? It doesn't sound like it. But I'm

(55:27):
not worried about them at all because their wives and
their wives lovers are all.

Speaker 2 (55:32):
Voting for me.

Speaker 10 (55:34):
I understand the real reason that she's not here. She's
hunting with her running mate, spending a lot of time haunting.
But if you really wanted Vice President Harris to accept
your invitation, I guess you should have told her the
funds we're going to bail out the looters and writers
in Minneapolis, and she would have been here. Guaranteed, she

(55:56):
would have been here. Tradition halls that I'm supposed to
tell a few self deprecating jokes this evening, So here
it goes. Nope, I've got nothing, there's nothing to say.

(56:18):
I guess I just don't see the point of taking
shots at myself when other people have been shooting at
me for a hell of a long time, and they shoot,
and that is.

Speaker 2 (56:27):
Brilliant, That is fun, that is so much fun.

Speaker 1 (56:31):
And you know most of the people were laughing. Ye
had you had a couple of grumpy gills that you
could see that weren't laughing. I don't think Bob Kraft
laughed one time, but other than that, everyone had a
good time with it.

Speaker 2 (56:40):
And it was you know the funny thing about this,
Greg Hillary Clinton and him showed up back in twenty
sixteen and they went at each other. You know, she's right.
I mean, they really went after each other. And you know,
Kama again, we go back to this. She misses so
many opportunities, in my opinion, to show the human side
of Kamala Harris. And she is such a she is

(57:01):
such a product of the democratic machine. She doesn't know
how to break out of the mold and just be human.

Speaker 1 (57:08):
That's right, you right, do we have time for the
caller or do we go to a break? Let's go
to the caller? So let's go to Zaye in Ogden.
Let's uh, let's Zayne, thank you for holding, thanks for
calling in. What's on your mind on this Friday?

Speaker 11 (57:22):
Yeah, so a lot of you know, Trump's talking about
the tariffs that bring back jobs to America and I
don't know how you do it, but I'd love it
if it happened. Is if we could get call centers
back in America, because with my work, we have a
call center that's actually overseas. And that's my number one
complaint from every customer I talk to is they want

(57:44):
a call center that they can call to and talk
to somebody that can they can understand and can understand
them and their needs.

Speaker 1 (57:52):
I agree. I think that the outsourcing that we've seen.
Thank you for your call at Zaye. I think it's
a great point. I think that you listen in the
President Trump. This country has so much manpower or just work,
you know, just work ethic, and we can do all
these things here. And if we're going to engage in
trade or if we're going to have relationships with other countries,
we should be benefiting from this in a different way.

(58:14):
They shouldn't be able to get paid to fill the
call centers of our companies here. We should be exporting
our expertise all over this world. We certainly have it.
And uh and it's it's really been a one way
street going the wrong way all this time.

Speaker 2 (58:27):
Do we have any call centers based in the US anymore?

Speaker 6 (58:30):
Greg?

Speaker 2 (58:30):
I would imagine there should be something.

Speaker 1 (58:32):
I do believe the right.

Speaker 2 (58:33):
I mean, I'd like to talk to somebody on a
call center one time who I could understand.

Speaker 1 (58:39):
I'm with them too. I think that's exactly right. I
it actually has a chilling effect on even using a
call center. I don't I don't even do it anymore
because I can't understand. It's just too difficult to and
I almost think that it's by design. They're They're meant
to just send you in circles. It's a trap.

Speaker 2 (58:56):
It's a trap. Than and Utah's Talk Radio one oh
five to nine kayn coming up at six oh five
following our news update at the top of the hour.
We've had quite a few listeners ask about this. Greg,
We're going to be talking with Phil Lyman. He's asked
the Utah legislature to force an illegitimate governor, Spencer Cox,

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off the twenty twenty four ballot. Philm makes I think
some very good arguments. But I think you and I
Greg have talked about this. Do lawmakers want to get
involved in this? They? I don't know. Maybe they'll have
to down the road or make some changes in the
way things are going when it comes to you know,
you know, transparency in the election process. I foresee some

(59:40):
changes coming maybe during the legislative session. You may have
a better feel for that than I do.

Speaker 1 (59:45):
Yeah, I don't want to throw any cold water. I
don't want to I'm not saying that this is what
I think ought to happen. I'm just going to give
you my balls and strikes my best eye on it.
I don't think that you will find the legislature looking
to remove the incumbent governor from the ballot. And that's
not saying that the law that requires twenty eight thousand
certified and verified signatures to qualify for that ballot, the

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primary ballot, wasn't absolutely the law. I'm but I just
don't think practically and politically that you're going to see
any change because it wouldn't just be him, it would
be John Curtis and Derek Brown as well. That's respectively
a US US Senate candidate and Attorney general candidate statewide.
I don't think they're going to do that, But I
do think that there is plenty to learn from and

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understand in these audits and in the recount that happened
in the congressional primary that happened, which which was over
one hundred and seven thousand people voting in one hundred
and forty six vote difference, where over two thousand votes
of the voters were thrown away, were discarded. We can't
have an election law that is so strict in scrutiny

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that we throw away people's duly their votes, vote of
conscience and look at these laws so strictly on one
hand and then just say well, we know what they meant.
It's going to be fine on the other. So we
just got to have a better system, obviously, and that
I don't. I can't imagine a system that's not better
or improved if you did not include more, far more

(01:01:14):
transparency in that process. And chain of custody on a
ballot and when it's filled out and when it is
received by an elections clerk and counted. That chain of
custody has to be much stronger than it is today.
And I do think that there will be work on
this in this general session.

Speaker 2 (01:01:29):
So yeah, And when we talked to Phil, I want
to get his reaction. I think, Greg, you and I
I still think we need to do something about the
lieutenant governor overseeing elections. That's just my opinion. We'll ask
Phil about that as well. I think we've got some
more calls coming in.

Speaker 1 (01:01:44):
We sure do. Let's go to Kelly and West Valley Kelly,
Welcome to the Roden Greg Show. What's on your mind?

Speaker 6 (01:01:50):
Hello, Ah, I want to I just.

Speaker 2 (01:01:54):
Got my ballot in the mail and I want to
advocate for the removal of all of.

Speaker 3 (01:01:59):
The judges.

Speaker 2 (01:02:02):
That they're on there.

Speaker 9 (01:02:04):
We might get rid of a few good ones, but
we'll get rid of all the bad ones.

Speaker 1 (01:02:10):
I agree. Thank you for the call, Kelly. Let me
tell you that's what I do. I don't know about you, folks,
but this is a zero information election cycle. These these
retention elections. We wouldn't know these judges that they were
sitting next to us. We have no information. It's a
pet peeve of mine that we even called a retention
election when we have no clue. So what do I do?
I hit the no on every single one of them,

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thinking if there's a bad one, maybe there's enough nos
that we'll see something happen. So I'm with Kelly all
the way on that.

Speaker 2 (01:02:36):
I'm with you too, Greg. I do know because we
don't know what these judges do, it'd be nice to
know if we had some transparency to be able to
see what they do as well.

Speaker 1 (01:02:44):
And by the way, if everybody did that, I think
these judges themselves would want you to have a little
more transparency before you just automatically voted no. It might
cure itself and give us some more information if everybody
did that. Let's go to Jeff on I fifteen right now, Jeff,
thank you for calling the Roden Greg show. What say you?

Speaker 6 (01:03:02):
I got to notice in the mail the other day
from Medicare then my benefits were going to be decreased
in the cost. What's going to go up? I'm seventy
years old and I still have to work because of Bikenomics.
Should I be worried about this decrease in benefits and
increase in costs in the Medicare.

Speaker 1 (01:03:25):
Jeff Real, Yeah, Well, I don't know specific to your
thank you for the call. I don't know specific to
the the letter that you received. But these programs are
going through a lot of different changes, and some of
them are taking the private sector's role out out of Medicare,
and that is actually adding to the increase in cost.
But there's there's I don't think I think we all

(01:03:47):
should be prepared that the Medicare, Medicaid, Obamacare, just Obamacare
in general is just not a sustainable program. I think
there's a piper to be paid on these programs at
some point.

Speaker 2 (01:03:59):
Well, and I think I'm security greg, so sooner or
later the politicians are going to have to come up
with the plan to deal with Social Security. I am
on Medicare and I haven't seen a letter like that
come across to me as of yet, but it does
mean it may it may not be coming. I just
haven't seen it as of yet.

Speaker 1 (01:04:16):
Yeah, I just I think it's a matter. I think
I'm fifty five. I just turned fifty five, and if
you told me there's not going to be any Social
Security waiting for me upon retirement, it wouldn't be the
most earth shattering news. I'm not speaking for all people
my age, but I do think that there has to
be maybe not right away with those that depend on
it on a fixed income, but someone's got to tell
the truth at some point that you can't keep You

(01:04:38):
can kick the can down the road until you run
out of road, as Senator Kennedy from Louisiana says, And
I am telling you we're running out of road. So
I think that there's some hard conversations have to be had.

Speaker 2 (01:04:49):
Well, it really does, especially on Social Security, and I
think you've just got to be. And it's funny, Greg,
how politicians are afraid to be upfront with the American
people and those who are again social security or close
to it. You know what, you can protect them, but
future generations, I think you've got to talk about.

Speaker 1 (01:05:07):
Yeah, Democrats beat up anyone that wants to tell the
truth about They say they want to scarce city, they
want to scarce seniors with.

Speaker 2 (01:05:12):
It, So get rid of it.

Speaker 1 (01:05:13):
All right, Well, we're coming up.

Speaker 6 (01:05:14):
This is the last.

Speaker 1 (01:05:14):
This is the last of this hour. We've got a
power packed third hour of the Roden greg Show coming
your way this Friday, So stand by. You're listening to
Talk Radio one five nine knrs. Patrick O'Donnell he's an

(01:05:36):
acclaimed military historian and he's written a bunch of books.
I thought I read most a lot of them, but
he's actually thirteen novels he's written or military history books.
His recent one, The Unvanquished. You got to get it
if you haven't. It tells the story of the elite
secret forces that both the Union Armies Confederates had and
how that shaped this country forever.

Speaker 6 (01:05:59):
In that.

Speaker 1 (01:06:00):
He does an essay just recently in Fox News about
the First October surprise back in October of eighteen sixty four.
There's a Civil war going on in the United States.
President Abraham Lincoln's in the middle of his reelection, and
there's some people that want to say, Hey, it's this
we got to get rid of this Lincoln guy. We're
in a war we can't get out of, and there's

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an October Surprise that lands here in America. To explain
that the details of that and why that might be
relevant in the days that we live in now, is
joining us on the show, Patrick O'Donnell. Patrick, thank you
so much for joining us on this program. You're a historian.
You know these facts, you know these details. You don't
mess around. Maybe you can share for listeners what it

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was it like back in eighteen sixty four for President
Abraham Lincoln in his reelection in the middle of October.

Speaker 4 (01:06:49):
The October Surprise, arguably the first, was in October eighteen
sixty four, which at that time was the most important
election in American hit. The Civil War is ranging and
Lincoln is fretting his reelection. He's very gloomy about the prospects,

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and in recently, only a few weeks earlier, the Democrats
had their Convention in Chicago, ironically, and it was the
Copperhead Democrats who were the rising movement and the powerful,
most powerful arm within the Democratic Party at the time,
and they had their campaign platform, which was written by

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the Confederate Secret Service, was a an armistice with the South,
to make peace with the South. It was a forever war,
as they said, and there was a need for course correction,
and there was only one way to win the war,
which is negotiate. And you know that also meant the
continuation of slavery. And it's in that sort of arena

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that we find ourselves in October eighteen sixty four, and
the Confederate Army has a huge surprise for Abraham Lincoln
to benefit the Opera Head movement and to benefit George
McLellan who's running against Lincoln, and that is to defeat
an army on the battlefield at a place called Cedar Creek.
And this is right outside of Winchester, Virginia. It's only

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a few miles away. And on October eighteenth, the Union
Army had a glaring weakness in its lines. General John
Brown Gordon, who's one of the most audacious Confederate generals.
A few days earlier, climbed up on the nearby mountain
with his field glasses and noticed that General Sheridan had
left his left flank open because there was a massive

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mountain guarding it and they thought it was impassable. I mean,
Gordon saw an opportunity there, and they had about fifteen
thousand Confederates. In the dead of night on October eighteenth,
they launched a surprise attack and it was an overwhelming
surprise that nearly you know, destroyed Sheridan's army. That morning,

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around five am, you know, with the autumn mists and fog,
the Confederate army crossed you know, remote mountain trails and
surprised the sleeping Union army and surprised them in their
tents and was murdering them with bannets. And it was
an absolute route. Gordon's men and jubil early were controlling

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the field and it was the Confederates that had Most
of the men were shoeless. They were also hungry. They
had been marching for almost twenty four hours and they
stumbled upon you know, food in the unique camp. They
started to eat it and in early seas in the morning,
around ten a m. That they had nearly destroyed the
entire Union army, but they were concerned about the exhaustion

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of his men. And he pauses and Gordon is, you know, dumbstruck,
because he kind of it looks like Jettisburg all over again,
is what he says. And his heart literally sinks to
his boots. And this is called the Fatal Pause. And
the Confederate start winning the entire battle. And they pause
at about ten thirty in the morning, and they start

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to hear this cheer in the background and they sense
that there's probably Union reinforcements, maybe an entire core coming up,
when in reality it's one man, General Sheridan, riding on
a horse all the way from Winchester to Middleton, Virginia,
and it's called the Ride, and it's one of the
most epic rides in the American history and world history.

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And he rallies his men as he's riding through their
ranks as they're retreating, and he rallies them, and they
stand firm, and they initially their lines kind of they
settle down, and then they face the Confederates and it's
at that point he launches a massive counter attack and
the Union, the Confederate lines actually hold and you know,

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for several hours they hold, and eventually the Confederates are
flanked and it becomes one of the great you know
comebacks in all American history, and it's called the Ride.
And during the campaign they literally feature Sheridan his horse
and it's you know, the famous thing you don't want

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to change horses mid Stream comes from this battle at
Cedar Creek, and it's one of my favorite stories in
The Unvanquished, which is, as you mentioned, a best selling
book about the Jesse Scouts, which is Lincoln special forces
who have a role in this battle and they literally
are able to smell out this attack. But at the
time General Sheridan is on is at Washington, d C.

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And General Crook is in charge at the time, and
they don't listen. Krook doesn't listen to the Scouts with
the information that they have, and unfortunately what happens is
the Union army surprise and almost annihilated, and it would
have changed the course of the election.

Speaker 1 (01:11:54):
It would have changed the course because that defeat, I
mean it was only fourteen thousand Confederates versus thirty two
Union troops. It would have made the case that the
that the Democrats were making. Copperhead Democrats were making at
their convention that this was an endless war. That defeat
would have made their case in the heart of October,
and really you're arguing would have would have probably led

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to President Lincoln's defeat in his re election.

Speaker 2 (01:12:19):
Is that right?

Speaker 4 (01:12:21):
That's that's absolutely right. And what's fascinating is that the
Confederate Secret Service had assets within the Copperhead movement. The
main head of the Copperhead Movement was under their control.
He helps write their campaign platform, and they literally are
as part of the deal with McLellan, they are going
to install him as the Secretary of War. So this

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guy is a total he's totally on board for the South,
as well as the vice presidential candidate, a guy with
the name of the Pendleton, who's also a hardcore Copperhead Democrat
and a Southerner that you know they're going to derail,
you know, any kind of plans for continue the offensive.
So history would have changed, and you know, the South

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may have been an independent nation. You know, I let
election gone the other way.

Speaker 1 (01:13:09):
Okay, we're gonna break and I want to thank you
Patrick o'donald. Look, we're not done here. Folks, because we're
going to keep going. I want to go another segment
on this topic, because now that we know what's happened,
we're going to try and next segment connect the dots
as to what's coming in front of us in this
election this October twenty twenty four. So you want to
hang on and listen when we go to part two

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of our interview here on the Rotten Greg Show on
Talk Radio one oh five nine canters. And I got
to tell you Patrick, welcome back to the show. For
the second segment. I want to connect some dots right now,
your article and your comparison of the times that we
were living in then when this happened and today. It
was on my mind when I was watching one of
these regime media as I call them, these talking heads.

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One is from this group called the Lincoln Project, and
it would be like these what do you call the
copperhead Democrats that were really all in with the Confederates,
this Lincoln Project. They pretend that they're Republicans, but I'm
going to tell you in my book, these guys are
not Republicans. They want they want Kamala Harris to win
this race desperately. They're on the television and they're looking
at the camera and they're saying, this is what's going

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to happen, folks. Donald Trump and his supporters are going
to burn down the election centers in every one of
the United States major metropolitan areas where the minority vote
is the strongest, the black vote is the strongest, to
try and take away that vote, and they are going
to try to survive from election day until Inauguration day
with those votes being unable to be counted. And when

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he said that, it's so ludicrous, it's so insane of
a premise. Nobody has ever thought this, This is not real.
But this crew, this group could be trying a crazy
October surprise like that, trying to blame it on Trump
or Maga. What are you seeing out there as a history,
knowing all that you know, what are you seeing that
could be an October surprise? What are the tells? Help

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us see what are the parallels with twenty twenty four?

Speaker 4 (01:15:00):
Well, what's old is new? And this book, The Unvanquished
uncovers a lot of different things. And one of the
things that is political interference. Election interferen operations are very
prevalent in this book. One of My favorite lines is
from a Confederate operative that says, the democracy is in
possession of the press. What's true in eighteen sixty four

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and eighteen sixty five is true today. And you know,
the democracy is the favorite term that the Democrats love
to call themselves since ninet eighteen fifty. And they were
in possession of the press then and they are in
possession of now. And there's the Confederate Secret Service has
some very novel operations. One of them was to influence
the press to write articles about the Forever War and

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how it was fruitless and how it was a it
was an endless you know, the series of casualties that
was never going to end and only negotiated solution would
would you know call it would be the with the
the answer, much like Israel today.

Speaker 2 (01:15:57):
Right.

Speaker 4 (01:15:57):
And then you look at another operation that they had
was the origins of what we call the color a
Color Revolution, and there was an insurrection plan first around
the Democrat convention in Chicago where they were going to
release prisoners of war from Camp Douglas, and then they
were going to have a massive There were hundreds of
thousands of copperheads that were part of the Sons of

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Liberty or was called, and they were armed by the Confederacy,
and they were they were planning on having an uprising,
an insurrection, a fire.

Speaker 2 (01:16:26):
In the rear.

Speaker 4 (01:16:27):
I mean, these are things that are you know, is
they are you know, much like twenty twenty. We have to,
you know, we have to be aware of what's going
on in our in our country, and it's We're at
a true inflection point in history. This is some of
the probably the most dangerous times in history because you've
got you know, internally strife, you have debt at thirty

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six trillion dollars. I mean, the American economy is the
engine of growth that is America, as well as the
idea of freedom and liberty. All the things are under assault.
Plus you have you know, us on a verge of
World War three. I mean, there's so many things that
are going on now. But I still trust the wisdom
of the American people to see through a lot of

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the of what's out there.

Speaker 1 (01:17:15):
We've run long, Patrick and I but I want to
thank you because when I know how steeped in history,
I know how many years you spend studying the might,
the finite details of historical moments of this country and
how it has shaped this country. So I don't take
it lightly when you say this is an inflection point,
and this is a critically important moment in our nation's

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history as to where we're going to go next. And
I want to thank you for because it's probably too
try to a saying for a historian to hear. But
if you don't learn from your history, you're doomed to
repeat it. And I got to tell you, we need
to hear from people like you, your historians, like yourself,
to say this isn't actually new, This isn't these these
words of insurrection, and you know in October surprise and

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all these other things, they've happened before. But I do
believe in a divine providence that beyond everything, after everything
we can do, we got we got the man upstairs
watching us as well.

Speaker 4 (01:18:08):
That's absolutely true. And i'd also say that, you know
what's true in the Unvanquished is agency individuals can change
the course of history. You know, it's over and over
we see that. And you know there's a lot of
patriots out there that will, you know, do the right thing,
you know, follow the constitution, bring the country together. And

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I think this is one of the most important elections
in history.

Speaker 1 (01:18:34):
Patrick O'Donnell, historian, author thirteen books, and and really do
really do, focusing in your novels on the agency of
individuals that truly did change the course of our American
history for the better. Thank you so much for joining
us on the program, and please keep up the good
work and let's stay in touch. I feel like I'm
I'm a big time because I get to talk to

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you because just so, it was an.

Speaker 4 (01:18:57):
Honor, honored, a pleasure. Greg. I always love coming on
your show. It really is a pleasure.

Speaker 1 (01:19:03):
Patrick o'donald, military historian, author of so many great books.
Thank you for joining us. Thanks for joining us on
the program.

Speaker 6 (01:19:10):
Folks.

Speaker 1 (01:19:10):
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