The Rod and Greg Show: Is Kamala Drinking?; Taxes Going Up in Utah County

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It is good to be back. It is the Rotten
greg Show right here on Utah's Talk Radio one oh
five nine. Canares, Thanks for holding down the ship last week.
I understand you had some great shows O.

Speaker 2 (00:08):
Which we tried. I tried. I tried that NASA like
board you like to sit in front of. Boy, it's
it has gremlins in it. It's got some you know,
there's some, Uh, there's some. I think it's haunted, to
be honest with you, but you seem to master it.

Speaker 1 (00:20):
Well, well, I've been doing this for a little while,
wait longer than you have. It was a little tough,
but I tried.

Speaker 2 (00:25):
I sorted. The audience was very patient with me. I
think it got better each day.

Speaker 1 (00:30):
It's good to be back. Roderkat along with it is
the Rotten Gregg Show right here on Utah's Talk Radio
one oh five nine. Canaarras the story of the day. Well,
there is a lot of chatter today on both Twitter
act regarding Kamala Harris's bizarre word salads okay.

Speaker 2 (00:49):
Which we're aware of, which we've spoken about.

Speaker 1 (00:51):
You're aware of this, however, Yeah, However, for a long time,
people have just assume she's a bit of a moron, yes,
which which we do agree with. But now there's another theory.
The new theory is.

Speaker 2 (01:03):
Drinking problem ladies and gentlemen, you know, Advanced Team. It
brings a whole new meaning to the Advanced Team. You know,
it's not supposed to be the wet bar or the
open bar for the Advanced Team. But multiple law enforcement
officers have stepped forward revealing that Kamala was intoxicated in
a particular video that's gone viral where where she's describing

(01:27):
what is it? The democracy and then the sides of
it and is going on but but but this would
if she wasn't. Can you get charged for a d
wife for campaigning under the influence? I mean, you're not driving,
but you're campaigning. It's a little it's it's important.

Speaker 1 (01:44):
There is an FCC rule now we're governed by the FCC,
which says we're not allowed to drink and be on
the air at the same time. I'd had no idea,
we'll put your bottle away, Yes, doing this, okay, didn't
know that, shouldn't be doing it. Now think about this.
Doesn't it make sense that she has a drinking problem
and that her running mate has been arrested for dui.

Speaker 2 (02:03):
Before they bonded. The bond they leftists, They share drinking stories. Yes,
they're both leftists. Wish they had a more communist way
of government, and they happen to like the devil's vine.

Speaker 1 (02:17):
Yeah yeah, well here here, here are a couple of
audio examples. These are where people are saying they think
she may have a drinking problem. Here are a couple
of examples.

Speaker 3 (02:25):
They cite extraordinary President Joe Biden, and he's gonna speak
in a minute.

Speaker 4 (02:38):
But there's a lot of love in this.

Speaker 5 (02:41):
Room for our president. We stand for and these, therefore
are the things we fight for, and that's what our
election is about. Our election is about understanding the importance
of this beautiful country in terms of what we stand

(03:01):
for around the globe as a democracy. As a democracy,
we know there's a duality to the nature of democracy.

Speaker 6 (03:12):
On the one hand, incredible strength when it is intact,
what it does for its people to protect and defend
their rights, their liberty, and their freedom, incredibly strong and
incredibly fragile.

Speaker 1 (03:33):
You've been around people who drink and are a little tipsy.

Speaker 2 (03:35):
Yeah, they get the gift of the gas.

Speaker 1 (03:37):
They get the gift of the start that may be
the reason for her word soylid zuf.

Speaker 2 (03:41):
So you know I'm connecting dots. I hadn't prior. I mean,
all of it sounded a little looney to me. But
then if you hear especially that when she's introducing by
so popular, I says he'd look, here's a lot of
energy anyway. Yeah, no, it sounds like it could be
the case.

Speaker 1 (03:58):
There are there's nothing concrete out there. But that's just
one of the crazy theories that is being kicked around
on this camp out. It takes kind of nuts.

Speaker 2 (04:06):
I think we just listened to two clips, none of
them which made any real kind of sense. They're just
kind of they are just saying the same thing in
different ways over and it's just kind of weird, kooky.
I like the word kookie. Is it better to be
a knee braid than it just be that vacant, which
is worse?

Speaker 1 (04:22):
Yeah, which is worse? I think ane braid it would
be better. I mean, if she's.

Speaker 2 (04:27):
Self medicating, I mean, at least you could say that's
why she does make a bit of sense. If she's
stonekeled sober and does not make a bit of sense,
it might be a little more daunting. I think the
drunk uh story might serve her better. We're forgiving nation,
go into the rehab. Look what we do for Hollywood.
They can't do wrong. As soon as they get you know,
they fall off. We all forgive them.

Speaker 1 (04:48):
Well, here's another twist. There are two stories out there today.
You have compared this campaign to what what movie is it?

Speaker 2 (04:54):
Capricorn one? Now, this is an old movie, folks. O. J.
Simpson was in this movie, but don't judge it. It
had it had James Brolin who married as you pointed out, Yeah, anyway,
it's a movie about the admission to Mars that they pulled.
The government pulls them out, NASA pulls them out because
they the ship's not going to make the rocket ship

(05:14):
can't make it. They staged the whole thing. None of
it's real. Okay, we come back, and then it's about
the astronauts trying to get out of the grips of
the government and the and the and the corporations that
were paid for the rockets and everything else. That's the selection.
The selection is a capricorn oneber there's not one thing
that's real that's going on around us, not one.

Speaker 1 (05:34):
Well, there are two events where they did stage these
events this week. The first one was they went to
a convenience store in the Pittsburgh areas. It sheets, that's okay, sheets,
and they faked her looking from some Douretto's. She didn't
call them, she called them really, she's in touch. Can
you find me a bag of Doretto's please? Yeah, And
they staged it like four times. But there was another

(05:57):
case at a Pittsburgh it's aular sandwich.

Speaker 2 (05:59):
Place, Primanny Brothers. It's very popular families that were enjoying
Permanny Brothers sandwiches. At one of those Permanning Brothers, Delis
complained that they were asked to leave the premise. They
were asked to leave because they were going to fill
the Primanny Brothers with props, basically Kamala supporters, and they
were going to just stage an entire visit as if

(06:23):
it were organic and real. Remember when when Trump went
to Chick fil A in Atlanta and everybody was going
crazy they want to take pictures with him. That wasn't
stage at all. This is Capricorn won the movie. These
everything is staged everything, there's nothing real. There's nothing real
going on here. You even look at the media. Nobody
was really Kamala happy or crazy before when Biden and

(06:44):
they were still trying to push Biden out there, they
didn't have a lot to say about her. It is
eighty four percent from the regime media positive coverage since she,
you know, kicked old Biden to the curb. Eighty nine
percent negative on Trump. They have just it's just again,
it's a it's a it's all.

Speaker 1 (07:00):
It's just it's a. I mean, going back to the
restaurant story, you know, the sandwich shop. Yeah, you can
see vans of Harris supporters pulling in getting out, and
then she doesn't get off until everybody's in there. They've
got some food on the table. She walks in, they
all chair.

Speaker 2 (07:19):
Isn't it some and they and they want you to
believe that's just some organic, spontaneous moment that they're all
living through together, and that we get to see through
the advantage of a of a media that's right there,
right in time. It's all scripted, it's all fake. Even
even if you want to look at even President Biden.
They got to the point where they just created a studio.
This is true of the Oval Office, and it was

(07:41):
a studio, and they would just with the teleprompters in
ways that he could talk. That would be better, because
the the Oval office itself wasn't set up as well.
It's they everything is just artificial. There's nothing real going
on here, whether it's the media's coverage, whether it's what
she's doing, what she's saying, none of it well.

Speaker 1 (07:58):
And at the convenience store, first of all, her husband,
she calls them Dougie. By the way, did you hear that?
She goes, oh, Dougie, thank you for finding me Deretto's,
I know it. Seconds later, here's Tim Walls, the drunk.
Walls finds a bag of Doretto's in another section, goes, oh,

(08:19):
here you go, Kamala, and she goes, oh, thanks for
the Dorettos.

Speaker 2 (08:23):
So you know, look, Rod new Gingrich has said that
they are trying to they are trying to whitewash this,
this Harris Walls record. They're trying to present her to
the public as new and moderate. It's a fantasy. It's
an absolute fantasy. There's nothing about these two, whether it
be Harris or Walls, that are every day Americans. I
mentioned when you were gone that New York Times said,

(08:45):
they're going to use the language of liberty. They're going
to use words that the ever every day Americans can
relate to, but have no tether and no attachment to
what they're actually what their agenda is, or what they're
actually trying to do. It's all staged. It's Weave always
said this to some degree, and this is on steroids
what they're doing with this campaign.

Speaker 1 (09:04):
Capricorn one over, Yes, we should call this Capricorn one two.

Speaker 2 (09:08):
Yeah, this is Capricorn one two one two, the campaign version.

Speaker 1 (09:12):
Campaign version. All right, we've got a lot to get
through today. Great to be with you. It is the
Roden greg Show here on Utah's Talk radio one oh
five nine K and are asked, we're just a couple
hours away from the official opening of the Democratic National
Convention there in Chicago. Joe Biden speaks tonight. Nice, nice,
you know, wouldn't you just love it if Biden got
on there and said, you're all a bunch of slimeballs

(09:33):
for taking me out of off he's so mad, wouldn't
it be great? I mean there s Geort said his
family is p o manh.

Speaker 2 (09:39):
Yeah, well, you know, I all of us wondered how
in the world. They thought he was going to get
through this whole thing, and I never did think so
you get to the end, they seem to be shocked
by the you know what happened to them. But his
reports are that he's coming in and he's leaving. He's
going to speak tonight, and he's not going to be
there for her nominations, but he's going to be there
for no other moment. The President of the United States

(10:01):
is coming in saying hi, goodbye, and leave it. If
that doesn't tell you, By the way, where's Jill Biden?
Remember she was on the cover of like was it
Vogue or something, that's the first but she was all
the rage. I mean, nobody could stop talking about doctor
Joe Biden. Jill is I don't know. I think she's
a little sweat.

Speaker 1 (10:20):
She's angry than he is.

Speaker 2 (10:22):
She is really well, she's the one that doesn't get
all the attention like she used to.

Speaker 1 (10:25):
Yeah, and she she never got along with Kamala and
she's really really ticked. But we head to Chicago tonight.
You can get a free vasectomy, free abortion if you Yeah,
if you're of that ilk. Look at this giant statue
of an iud.

Speaker 2 (10:40):
Where did you start?

Speaker 1 (10:41):
Where do you start with this?

Speaker 2 (10:44):
I wanted to go back to ninety six when they
had last time they had a convention here and and
it was Bill Clinton's re election campaign. But we can
talk about that later. I do want to say that
free viassectomies and free abortions at Democrat national conventions, I'm
all in, actually think it's great.

Speaker 1 (11:01):
I think it Democrats.

Speaker 2 (11:03):
Yes, I'm saying, look, if if they just want to
take the gene pool and just kind of say, hey,
I'm done, we're gonna we're gonna a sect me, We're
we're kind of going to finish it right here, more
power to you. I'm not saying I'm not the one
that wants to do it. But if you're touting these
free abortions and free vest sectomies, who am I to
interrupt this? I would just add lobotomies to it. How
about that?

Speaker 1 (11:25):
And I thought they've already taken place.

Speaker 2 (11:26):
Well, I was gonna say, it's probably cheaper. I mean,
what you'd have to erase or lobottomize is probably a
lot less. And so, but I throw lobotomies in there too.
While they're at abortions best sectomies and lobotomies. Come one.
Come on.

Speaker 1 (11:39):
Yeah, now we're pro life. We're just kidding on the
abortion side, folks, So don't chase after.

Speaker 2 (11:44):
Us for that. Well, democrats have a right to choose.
I just kidding. Okay, Yeah, they want to. They want
to do it myself, but you've got to.

Speaker 1 (11:53):
You've got to. Is it a story or anythail.

Speaker 2 (11:56):
It's a nice message from someone, Yeah, someone in an
x We don't call it tweets anymore, but it's from
the accident. It's someone who lives in Chicago, and they're
welcoming everybody to Chicago. Welcome to Chicago, Democrats. As you
move around our beautiful downtown, you will not experience the
rule Chicago problems because we put a band aid on
them until you leave. Chicago has spent millions to hide

(12:17):
its problems for one week. Here's the reality. Chicago has
the worst mayor in all the world. Approval rating is
less than twenty seven percent, and you will hear him
lie for three minutes and thirty seconds straight tomorrow. The
real mayor is of the Chicago is the president of
the Public Teachers Union, Stacy Davis Green, who sends her kids.

Speaker 1 (12:38):
To private school all surprise price.

Speaker 2 (12:41):
Our migrant crisis has us with a billion dollar city deficit.
They are all over the streets with the city, but
the city spent money to hide them for a week.
While you're here for a few days, we will have
spent twenty plus million dollars on shelters, apartments, food, childcare, transportation,
and much more. Number three, violence is still at an

(13:02):
all time high and we are breaking records for the
most car thefts this past year, So please be safe.
And it says we have the highest unemployment rate as
this city of any large metro city with an urban population.
Over one hundred thousand people are without jobs, but we
spend millions a day on migrants. Have a very We

(13:23):
have a very beautiful city that is plagued with bad leadership.
Enjoy your stay, eat at some of our amazing restaurants,
and party at our best bars in nightclubs. One thing
we do know how to do is have a good time.
Welcome to Chicago. And if that's not it, in a nutshell,
it's all Democrat leadership. I know that the Democrats' favorite

(13:43):
refrain is to blame everything on Republicans. You haven't seen
a Republican making a decision in that town way where
Richard Daly was even mayor, and back in the late sixties,
even the ninety six version Daily Junior was mayor. In
ninety six, they were tearing down the government bill housing.
Kamala wants to create more of it. They were investing
in having big box retailers, and retailers come into blighted areas.

(14:07):
They're chasing them out. Now they're all closing up now
New York Times, New York Posts as twenty people shot
this weekend and the lead up an they're spending all
that money for it to make you think you're doing
so they're doing so well. Four four people died. Twenty
people shot in the last uh in the this weekend
in Chicago, in the great Windy City.

Speaker 1 (14:29):
And you know what, Greg are You have business associates
who worked in Chicago. They bragged about Chicago. They always
thought Chicago was a great, great town. I've never spent
much time there in and out for business meetings about it,
but they talk about all the summer festivals they have
during during the summer, lakes close by, right the lakes
close by. They're big sports fans. The Cubbies, the Bears,

(14:49):
the black Hawks, the Bulls. You know, Jordan was there.
I mean, they love the city, but I wonder if
they love it as much now as they used to.

Speaker 2 (14:57):
It's it's a different place. I've read a couple of
articles of people that remember, and the reason I keep
going back to that Bill Clinton nineteen ninety six convention
is that I've read that. I read a great article
from someone that was a college journalist at that time,
and he talked about Jordan. He talked about how sports
were bringing the people in Chicago together. Your party affiliation
didn't matter. The reforms. This new Democrat that Bill Clinton

(15:21):
was being called where he was doing. Remember he's the
one that embraced New Gringrich's welfare reforms and passed him
into law and signed those laws. We had a balanced budget,
we weren't deficit spending in that time. And I'm not
touting Bill Clinton, but I'm saying there there was a
less leftist, communist Democrat party in the time of Bill Clinton,

(15:41):
and you saw things going well, things were going really
well for Chicago. All of that's been turned on us here.
All of that is well gone, all of it has gone.
The other way where your homicide rates, your burglaries, your crime,
your everything. It's just it's out of control.

Speaker 1 (15:57):
Remember Barack Obama, Illinois from Chicago. When he left the presidency,
where'd he go? Stayed in Washington? Yeah, go back to vineyards? No,
he sure did not. All right, when we come back,
we'll talk about Joe Biden's farewell at the d NC tonight.
That's coming up right here on the Rod and Greg
Show in Utah's Talk Radio one O five nine k

(16:19):
n RS. They're all decked out with free vasectams, free abortions,
big statues of iud's, you name it. The Democrats are ready.

Speaker 2 (16:27):
They're ready wherever they can destroy, whatever they can tear down. Boy,
they stand at the ready.

Speaker 1 (16:32):
Right, big, big night for one Joseph Biden, his farewell
to a party that he so loved and wanted to
be president for so long, and a party who said
see you later, pal. And that's basically what they've done.

Speaker 2 (16:47):
You know, have you heard Trump try where he's no
fan of obviously of Joe Biden, but he's like, boy,
you know the guy way? Yeah, yeah, they really did.
Like he couldn't stop defending him and saying how sharp
he as attack. He was, and all one day they
just like just flipped on him and stabbed him in
the back. And it's an odd way to go for

(17:07):
a you know, a party and a campaign that says
they're trying to preserve democracy to install a candidate that's
never received a single vote from anyone. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (17:17):
Ever, Yeah, and here you have Nancy Pelosi, who everybody
in America absolutely loves. Yes, you know, she suggests Darling
that he should be on Mount Rushmore. And then a
couple of days later she calls him and says, Joe,
if you don't quit, we're going to force you out. Yeah,
thanks Nancy.

Speaker 2 (17:33):
It's just it's just again, the words don't matter. They
just say things to try and make them feel better
by saying the Mount Rushmore comment. They don't mean any
of it. They're just trying to Again, it's like it's
like this, it's like that movie. It's it's all staged.
You had the government and you had corporations that didn't
want Capricorn One, the trip to Mars to fail because

(17:54):
it was going to hurt their budgets, it was going
to hurt their their profits, and so they staged the
whole thing welcome to the twenty twenty four convention and election.
It's all states.

Speaker 7 (18:05):
Now.

Speaker 1 (18:06):
Let me ask you this great you, let me give
you this scenario. If he hadn't done as poorly as
he did on that June twenty seventh debate and it
was a draw. You know, he performed like he did
with in the State of the Union, which everyone thought
he did a pretty good job with. Stated if he
had done the same thing and that first debate, would
they still be backing Joe Biden today?

Speaker 2 (18:27):
I think the fix was in. I think that they
were planning on getting rid of him all along. I
thought they would have worked it out ahead of time.
I thought he would be aware that he was being shouted,
or he clearly was not aware. But I think that
because I will tell you the first the first commentary
I heard about that debate was that Trump lies. He

(18:49):
just lies the whole time. And they didn't really have
a whole lot bad to say about about Biden. But
all of a sudden, you started seeing from the familiar
voices that usually are the strongest apologists for Biden and
defenders of Biden ripping him, which he hadn't heard before.
It's and it happened like they flipped a switch. So
that was they were going to come after him brutally.

(19:12):
I think without regard to his performance. I look, if
you look at him for the last you know, three
and a half years, even when he was running, was
he all that different? Honestly? I mean, we let we
let the media tell us that it was so abysmally bad.
But we've seen some pretty vacant moments from this president.
We've seen some confusion. We've seen him walking in the walls,
We've seen him we've been saying it. They've been denying

(19:34):
that any of it's happening. They're saying it's AI, it's
all fake. And all of a sudden, one day they
wake up and go, wow, this guy's not ready, this
guy's he's out there lunch. And it was it was
always happening.

Speaker 1 (19:43):
Well, Greg, they look the other way. They kept on
saying he's finely. You just pointed out he's fine, he's
doing well. But then the polls started coming in and
the poles were showing he may lose to Donald Trump.
Now they used the code word, you know, we're saving democracy,
and what that what that that code phrase means is
beat Trump that's all. It means all. That's all this

(20:04):
threat to democracy, it means beat Trump is what it
comes down to. They saw the polls, and the polls
did not look good, and all of a sudden, the
forces started building to tell Joe you got to get out,
and he fought to the very last man. I think
his wife fought harder than he did. Well, she should
have because she was way popular. She had her head

(20:24):
about her, she was kind of probably running things. If
we want to know the truth of it.

Speaker 2 (20:28):
The issue is, and this is my fear about these
elections coming up, what if our worst fears are that
they can take these megatropolises of Fulton County and Georgia
and you know, Philadelphia and Pittsburgh and Pennsylvania, Milwaukee and Wisconsin,
Maricopa County in Arizona, Clark County in Nevada, and they
can they can generate so many votes that they can

(20:50):
erase the collective will of all the other counties that
would vote for Trump by voting for the Democrat nominee,
even by Hooker Crooker. However that were to happen, one
thing they need, if they had a way to do that,
would be for the American people to actually be able
to believe it with Joe. With Joe Biden, it would
be very very hard to believe he got eighty five

(21:10):
million votes. Again, that would be very very hard. Can
they Can they teut that Kamala will get eighty five
million in walls easier than they could if it were Biden.
So I worry sometimes that we're still in the optics
world where they plan a basement campaign. They don't plan
to have any specificity out there. They want to run
on word salads and maybe keep her away. I mean,

(21:30):
I've got a quote here that from one of the
from one of the surrogates of the Harris campaign. The
more details you share, the more your policies get picked apart.
But what Kamala is saying is she trusts journalists to
explain these policies and our values to folks. When that happens,
it will be success for the Democrats.

Speaker 1 (21:52):
Spot what's going on right now?

Speaker 2 (21:54):
There's there's the hand and glove relationship right there.

Speaker 1 (21:56):
Well, I mean, if you're if you're Joe Biden tonight,
think about this. How do you get that speech? You
have got to be so angry and so just ticked
off at what has happened, you know, And here you
had all these people who for the last three and
a half years, Joe, you're great, we're supporting, and all
of a sudden it turns on a dime and he's
got to stand out there for what ten minutes tonight,

(22:19):
give a speech off the teleprompter, which he generally does, Okay,
say nice things about everybody. So after the speech is
over and Joe comes out and they do their nice
little wave and there's been they'll be Oh, I guarantee
you they'll be shot. Some people in the crowd with
tears in their eyes. Oh, you can see it coming, Greg.
And he has to wave and do all of this.
How does it Because after that speech is over, you'll

(22:42):
have people out there again, just like when he announced
he was not seeking reelection. That is an admirable thing.
What a career he is George Washington all over again.
And that's where you've been here.

Speaker 2 (22:52):
Tonight, and you know he's going to be upset, but
this is he's trying to leave with some dignity. I mean,
he's been up there in that Washington belt wave for
fifty plus years. He hasn't had he and he doesn't
have a I don't think he's had like a real
job outside of politics since seventy three something like that
or seventy. Anyway, he's he is going to try and
give it as you know, the college tribe it. I

(23:12):
honestly think that that you know, Biden or Hunter's got
more indictments coming now that he's not the nominee. I
think their lives are changing measurably, very very quickly, and
I'm sure they're not happy about it.

Speaker 1 (23:24):
Well, we'll watch be interesting to watch tonight the DNC
in Chicago. A majority of people, voters, a majority of
voters great think that news reporters are trying to help
far left Democratic vice presidential candidate Kamala Harris presidential candidate
in the White House. I mean, the new RAS Musem
poll showed more than half the American people expect most
reporters to help Harris ahead of the November elections. Size surprise, surprise.

(23:49):
I've got an example of this now. This is the
opening of Face the Nation on CBS yesterday morning with
the moderator of Face the Nation, Margaret Brennant. Let's how
she sets the day.

Speaker 8 (24:00):
I'm Margaret Brennan. In Washington and this week on Base
the Nation, Democrats head to their convention in Chicago. As
inflation pools and the political back and forth of our
economic policies intensified. With the presidential contest lineup set to
be formally locked in this week, both sides turn their
attention to issue number one on the minds of the voters,

(24:23):
the economy and inflation.

Speaker 5 (24:25):
I will go after the bad actors, and I will
work to pass the first ever federal ban on price
gauging on food.

Speaker 2 (24:35):
A lot of people are very devastated by what's happened
with inflation and all of the other things. They say
it's the most important subject. I'm not sure it is,
but they say it's the most important sort. Inflation is
the most important, but that's part of economy.

Speaker 8 (24:48):
The former president's prescription is two fold.

Speaker 2 (24:51):
Vote Trump and your incomes will saw you.

Speaker 8 (24:54):
And a new line of false attack on Vice President.

Speaker 2 (24:56):
Harris kamalowens full communist. You heard that she went full
of communists. She wants to destroy our country after causing
catastrophic inflation.

Speaker 8 (25:07):
Will tell you why that's wrong. How the voters see
the candidate's handling of the economy in our new CBS
News poll.

Speaker 1 (25:16):
We are going to tell you why Donald Trump is wrong,
but we aren't going to tell you why Kamala Harris
is wrong. Isn't it amazing for Kamala Harris?

Speaker 2 (25:26):
And what was amazing is wait till they I mean,
you're going to play the interview where Whitmer actually agrees that.

Speaker 1 (25:32):
Yeah, we'll play that a little bit later on. Yeah,
I mean, that's amazing. Will tell you where Donald Trump
is wrong, but we won't tell you where Kamala Harra
is wrong.

Speaker 2 (25:39):
Because that's what they do in the movie Capricorn. Wonder
is that they have a media that's looking at something
that's all staged and not real, and they're reporting it
to the people as if it's real. Yeah, that's what
is happening right now.

Speaker 1 (25:50):
And fifty percent of the American people know already that
the media is just out there shilling for Kamala Harris.

Speaker 2 (25:56):
You know the problem The problem I have is that
we talk about that so often, but even when the
media creates a narrative, it just it by osmosis, we
actually do repeat it back. We actually think that that
Biden had a bad debate performance, uniquely when it wasn't
unique at all. It was the same guy we've always
seen always, even though the media says different, it's not different.

(26:18):
It's always been that way, and we've.

Speaker 1 (26:19):
Been pointing that out. Well, there's some breaking local news tonight.
The Utah Legislature going into special session this Wednesday afternoon
to take on a very important topic.

Speaker 2 (26:29):
Great developing story.

Speaker 9 (26:30):
There was a.

Speaker 2 (26:33):
Decision by the state Supreme Court, unanimous decision that has
uniquely decided. It's the decision is so separated from how
we've worked as a democratic republic up till now, and
that is the decision is that the initiatives, citizen initiatives
that pass on the ballot cannot be amended or reviewed
by like all legislation is by a legislature, future legislature,

(26:55):
the legislatures or whatever, and they just basically stay there untouched. Well,
it is a departure from how this has been done
in the past. Once it becomes law, it's like any
law that's passed you, that's what you do, is you
amend statutes in your general sessions. It will be a
carit for every leftist group to come in here and

(27:17):
file bulletproof initiatives and ten million dollars, carpet bombs of
media with false messages to pass things that the legislature
will never be able to and the elected representatives are
not going to be able to touch. And it's a
disincentive to ever go back to a legislative body and
ask for their consideration on legislation. So with that in mind,

(27:38):
with that Supreme Court decision, there has to be a
question put before the voters and changing the constitution to
allow the legislature to do its job. It's going to
be hard to frame.

Speaker 10 (27:48):
Rod.

Speaker 1 (27:48):
Yeah. One of the groups behind all of this pushing
lawmakers to hold this special session and take on this
issue is the Sutherland Institute and Derek Monson, who is
public policy director the Institute, joining us on our Newsmaker line.

Speaker 2 (28:02):
Derek.

Speaker 1 (28:02):
Always great to have you on the show. Why the
urgency in your opinion, Derek, to address this issue right now.

Speaker 9 (28:07):
There was a recent Supreme court, the Utah Supreme Court
ruling regarding ballot issue is that took kind of precedent
on protecting the right of the citizens to propose laws
or bout in issues to a further step of saying
that legislature has boundaries and how it can amend laws
passed by bout initiative, and though that ruling didn't really

(28:31):
clearly define where that line gets drawn. And so that
creates a concerning thing when it comes to law, because
then you have, you know, legislative pass law, which the
legislature can amend according to the public good and as
it deems necessary through compromise and deliberation, and then you
have ballot in issuative laws which maybe it can't really
amend in the same way, and we don't know where

(28:52):
the lines are, and so we have to go back
to the courts to determine that. And so now we're
starting to create a system where we're constantly going to
the course to determine what we can do when it
comes to the proper exercise of legislative authority. And we
think that's something that creates problems for public policy and
for proper understanding of our constitution and needs to be
corrected with a constitutional amendment.

Speaker 2 (29:15):
Eric I couldn't agree more. I think it says here
in the article that the Sutherland is to put out
that the court rule that the citizens a citizen past
initiative is protected from unfettered legislative amendment repeal or replacement.
The challenge there is having been a former lawmaker, is

(29:36):
that there isn't any bill or law or that's on
the books that doesn't at some point have the potential
to have unintended consequences amendments. Every bill you see in
a legislative session is addressing existing statute in a way
that might not have been understood when it passed or
became law. We're a democratically elected republic. If we're going

(29:57):
to elect initiatives by a large sum of money, come
in and create bulletproof initiatives written by someone else and
becomes law of the land without our legislative bodies being
able to amend it, repeal it, or anything. What does
that say about the state? How how long can you
last with two books, one that your legislative processes is

(30:19):
with the laws, and one where George Soros and every
left leaning group can just carpet bomb this state with
money and pass initiatives to do what they want to do. Right.

Speaker 9 (30:29):
I think that it's a valid concern and it opens
us up to that. You know, when a lot of
valet initiatives for better or worse, and a lot of
people would say worse I have a lot of resources
from outside the state behind them, and that's because that's
what's necessary to enact the law through that process is money.
And so when you create that and then, like you said, Greg,

(30:50):
you kind of, you know, protect those laws from amendmentor
or even repeal if that's what's necessary, it's problematic. And
I think, you know, if you're being fair to the
Supreme Court, I think they would probably say, based on
the ruling we're saying, you can't just gut the law.
It's one thing to mend it in a way that
forwards its goals. It's another to repeal it basically. But

(31:12):
that just kind of gets back to the point of, Okay,
so how long has to go on before we can
repeal about initiative past law? Because again, legislative and acted
laws don't have that dynamic going on, and so you
end up what you end up setting up is a
place where laws that are harmful to the public good
in some passion can't be corrected because it's deemed by

(31:33):
courts to be opposing the purpose of that about initiative.
And that's just bad public policy, is bad process, And
we don't really think that's what a reasonable understanding of
the legislative power in the constitution gets to because we
have to change those laws for all these reasons that
we've said.

Speaker 1 (31:50):
Derek, let me take the conjrarian man on the street
view of this, if you don't mind, Let's say I
vote for a petition or an initiative and it's approved
by voters. Is what I want as a voter, but
then state lawmakers step in and change what I wanted
to achieve. Is that fair?

Speaker 2 (32:07):
Well?

Speaker 9 (32:08):
I think it's fair in the sense that any law
can be changed by our elected presented representatives. And the
solution is if you don't like it, elect, you know,
organize and go get that different elected representative. So I
guess that's that's one thing that that I think is
kind of being being sidestepped is the legislators are a
representation of the will of the people as well. You know,

(32:29):
they are being voted on it the same election that
bout initiatives are being voted on, and so you know
which of those is should quote unquote win out. I mean, unfortunately,
I don't think we have to set up a situation
where they're kind of opposed to each other. But that's
that's kind of how the lawsuit was put forward, and
then the way that the Spreme Court chose to see

(32:50):
it is that these things are kind of opposed to
each other at times. So so I think again it
comes back to if if you don't like the legislature
doing what it does, you know they're accountable every two
or four years, you can go and vote for someone
else organized to get someone else on about through a
primary or in a general election. And that's the route
to change things if you don't like the legislature and

(33:12):
what or rather than what the legislature has done, rather
than going to the courts and saying, hey, you can
change what the legislature did because.

Speaker 2 (33:20):
We don't like what it did. Here's here's what I
think the left would call an intended consequence and the
right would say, or the common sense people would say,
would be an unintended consequence. And that is this if
because when I was in the legislature, there were plenty
of left of center bills that were filed and ways
to point the state, its statutes, its laws in a

(33:41):
way that the majority of the Republicans elected in the
House and Senate didn't see good government going. Why would
anyone who's left of center ever even waste a moment
in the legislature again, if they could go to an
initiative process, given they have enough mind or rays to
be able to do it, and be well to get
one of these bulletproof initiatives passed by the people saying

(34:04):
whatever they'd like in an ad that's you know, unfettered
by legislative amendment repeal or replacement. Why would you ever
see them go to the legislature and it's session again,
and what's to say we wouldn't have twenty five of
these election year if you could get that kind of
deal where it can't be touched ever again.

Speaker 9 (34:26):
Yeah, I think that does push towards a place where
we no longer resolve things through through consensus building and
compromise in the legislative context, where you simply have to
compromise to get the votes to you know, to pass
a bill, to a situation where kind of like you described, Greg,
if you have enough money, or if you have people
at the national level who have the money special interest

(34:48):
groups you align with, you can just write the.

Speaker 11 (34:50):
Law that you want with all of the consequences.

Speaker 9 (34:53):
You desire, intended or otherwise. And then yeah, those laws
can't really be tinkered with. And again, it's just just
not a great way to write the law. I mean,
the other way to say it is, if that's what
the drafters intended when they wrote the ballot initiative language
in the Constitution, why isn't it there? And it's not there,

(35:15):
And the court kind of had to And I don't
want to put too much on this current Supreme Court.
They're building on precedent that built towards this kind of
ruling over decades. You know, it wasn't that they just
completely created everything. There was precedent that had created protections
for ballot initiatives in the past, and they just built
on that. But again, the point is still the same

(35:37):
that it wasn't written in the Constitution that ballot initiatives
are somehow on a higher plane than legislative enacted laws.
They were just alternative means of accomplishing the same goal.
And now we've said no, it's not just coequal. Now
it's one is superior to the other in terms of
the possibility of amendment. And that creates all these problems

(35:58):
that we're talking about.

Speaker 1 (35:58):
Man, there could be a lot of with this. Derek,
thank you for joining us Derek with the Sulolan Institute.
You know, when we were back at the RNC, we
talked to both Mike Schulz and Stuart Adams, the House
Speaker and the President of the Senate. They were both
real angry at this. They said, do you realize what
could happen here?

Speaker 2 (36:15):
It's a dual path. And again, you have so many
states that they get these laws through well funded, well
healed leftist campaigns. And look, I lived through this. We
broke a pick killing Obamacare expansion. You know the state.
The US Supreme Court gave states the right to reject it.
We rejected it. Yeah, and then we got carpet bomb
by the hospitals and the leftists that they got it

(36:38):
passed by initiative right over top of us. And your
legislature will never have ten million dollars or and climbing
to fight on a ballot measure. They work inside committees
and on the floor of their respective houses, the House
and Senate. They are not ready to take on every
one of these issues via a campaign. And so it's
a it's a it's a different it's that is someone

(36:58):
else's domain, that's not your legislature. And you know, I
think it's I think it's good to have. And by
the way, we took initiatives seriously, you overturning the will
of the people is not is not something where you
want to be and look at your constituents.

Speaker 1 (37:11):
Well, that's the question I'll want to ask our listeners. Yes,
they head home tonight if you vote for an initiative
and then you'll find out the state lawmakers have amended it,
amended it or change it a little bit? Does that
upset you? Should they just leave it alone as is?
The Supreme Court right now is saying leave it alone
as is. There are no guardrails on it right now,
right so we'll get your calls on that eight eight

(37:33):
eight five seven eight zero one zero triple eight five
seven eight zero one zero, or on your cell phone
dial pound two fifty and say hey, ron.

Speaker 2 (37:41):
I don't know how they're going to word this, but
they have to be very very careful how they do it,
because it can be easily framed as the legislature doesn't
want to hear from the people, and they and whatever
the people want, they don't want to do it. That
is going to be the message against amending the constitution.

Speaker 9 (37:56):
But to.

Speaker 2 (37:57):
I'm just going to tell you that if you have
some some somebody who gets in their office to write
a law and then people vote on the two hundred
pages one whatever it is of what they put in there,
and that never is able to be touched and meant
to change anything, and that becomes law, I think it's
it's it is very dangerous. So it'll be hard, it'll

(38:19):
be hard to frame it.

Speaker 1 (38:20):
I yeah, all right, let's get to the phone and
see what you think. Gary is in Sandy tonight here
on the Rodden Great show. Hi Gary, how are you?

Speaker 12 (38:28):
Ah?

Speaker 13 (38:28):
Just fine?

Speaker 14 (38:29):
Uh?

Speaker 13 (38:31):
My concern is I feel like I've lost we've lost
our voice voice here as the people they legislature change
their flag without even putting it on the ballot. Now
we have to have two hundred and fifty thousand signatures
the voice of our voice heard.

Speaker 1 (38:49):
So you you don't feel Gary, your voice is being
heard right now?

Speaker 13 (38:53):
No, not at all. I don't even I don't even
want to vote anymore because I don't trust these positions.

Speaker 12 (38:58):
They don't once they get elected.

Speaker 13 (39:00):
They don't really care abou about the people. I don't believe.

Speaker 1 (39:03):
All right, all right, Gary, thank you, Let's go to
our next scholar.

Speaker 2 (39:05):
Yeah, Rental Lye in Mill Creek, welcome to the program.
Thanks for calling. What say you?

Speaker 12 (39:15):
Is that me?

Speaker 15 (39:15):
Renee?

Speaker 1 (39:16):
Oh? Renee? Go ahead, Renee.

Speaker 2 (39:17):
I'm sure I'm not even looking at that door of Renee.
He totally lied to me about your name. I can't
believe he framed me.

Speaker 1 (39:30):
Well, that's what said.

Speaker 15 (39:32):
I agree with Gary about the flag thing, but I'm
calling about school choice that we voted on years ago. Yes,
and every sinking year after it was voted down, the
legislature tried to turn it over and they tried to
turn it over and they tried to turn it over,
and finally that is the last year of the year
before I think it was the year before they got

(39:53):
it through because they tied it to the teacher's salary
increase and they didn't want to not give the teachers
an increase, and so it finally passed. They could have
homeschooling for eight nine thousand dollars a year or a
quarter or whatever it is. But anyway, it was like,
what a slap in the face. You know, that's my opinion.

(40:15):
I don't like our legislatures.

Speaker 13 (40:16):
So there you go.

Speaker 2 (40:17):
Yeah, I gathered that and it's fine, but here vote
the bums out. What I love is that if you
think it's if these representatives or state senators are frustrating you,
a ten million dollar initiative campaign from out of state
is not going to be very easy to overcome if
you don't like what they're proposing. And so I'm just

(40:38):
saying I don't. I don't want to make excuses. I
want to apologist, but I think a democratically elected republic
has its it's it's real, has its reasons for being
that way.

Speaker 1 (40:47):
And legislators can't go out there and promote this initiative,
right it can They can't spend taxpayers.

Speaker 2 (40:53):
They cannot vote this, absolutely not. They can't spend taxpayer dollars.
As they can speak to it. They can they can
try to help these funds for a pack or similarly
minded people that would want a campaign for it, but
there will be no state money involved in any kind
of initiative or any kind of election for something like this.

Speaker 1 (41:10):
All right, let's go to Scott and draper tonight here
on the rod In Greg Show. Hi, Scott, how are you.

Speaker 14 (41:15):
I'm well, thank you. I like to make the point
that initiatives themselves are illegal and unconstitutional. An initiative is
where you take an issue and you put it on
the ballot and it's adopted. That means it becomes law
by a majority vote to the people who WoT not it.
That is a form of government. There's basically five forms

(41:35):
of government. There's anarchy where there is no law, how
laws are made by the way. There's a monarchy where
one individual makes the law, a king and dictator of Ferrell.
There's an oligarchy where a group of people make the law,
and then there's democracy where it's made by a majority
vote to the people. Our founding fathers rejected all of
those and they gave us a different form of government.

Speaker 9 (41:56):
Called a republic.

Speaker 1 (41:57):
Yeah, yes, there's a clue here.

Speaker 14 (42:00):
The clue is in the Pledge of Allegiance and those
high pledge allegiance to the flag of the Ued States
of America and to the Republic for legislatives. The next
clue is found in the Tenth Amendment, says the power
is not delegated to United States by the Constitution or
peribated by the States to reserve the states respectively over
the people. There's basically three points here. The states are
sovereign and the people are sovereign. And the sovereigns got

(42:23):
together and created the Constitution and created the federal government,
and they delegated certain powers to the federal government. Now,
since the federal government has powers delegated to it, it's
not sovereign. If they were sovereign, they wouldn't need it
delegated powers. Never says the powers not delegated. Okay, look
at the power that is delegated. He has found an

(42:44):
Article four section for the US Constitution says the United
States will guarantee every state of the Union a republican
form of government. How can you guarantee a republic going
for a government if that power is not delegated to
United States by the Constitution or cannot be reserved to
the state's respectively.

Speaker 13 (43:02):
Order the people to.

Speaker 14 (43:03):
Make up a different form of government, like an initiative.

Speaker 2 (43:06):
Scott Well said, I mean, he had a lot in
there in a short amount of time. But the five
forms of government he described, a republic is what we have.
And a straight vote of the people. That's a that's
a that's America's got talent, that's a dancing with the stars.
Everybody calls in picks the winner. That's not how it works.
And I and look, yeah, so I just I appreciate
the call on the and the observation there and the

(43:29):
historical context.

Speaker 1 (43:30):
Yeah, a lot of people want to weigh on on this,
and we'll get more of your calls on the Rod
and Greg show right here on Utah's Talk Radio one
O five nine k NRS. Right now, we're talking about
the Utah lawmakers. They've called a special session for Wednesday
to vote to place a constitutional amendment on the ballot, Greg,
allowing lawmakers the ability to further alter citizen led initiatives.

(43:53):
And you think we need this, yes now.

Speaker 2 (43:55):
And I will say this though, when when the call
is made by the governor, there's there's a bill. Obviously
this is sight unseen. I'm talking off the cuff. I
haven't seen the language. I haven't seen how it's framed.
There needs to be some give and take, there needs
to be it needs to be absolutely communicated to the public.
And I think the legislature knows some of my former

(44:16):
colleagues that they respect this process and that whatever they're
doing doesn't diminish that process. But what they have to
firewall against is that people can come in here and
create laws that they have no ability to touch or amend.
That is just a bridge too far.

Speaker 1 (44:33):
And as I recalled Greg before we go to our
college and we'll go to Russ here in a minute,
he's been bountiful as I recalled this Better Boundaries Commission
that was set up or did this? Yes, weren't they
funded or organized or pushed by Barack Obama and Eric Holder?
Of course yes, I mean as a democratically led an initiative.

Speaker 2 (44:51):
You even had you even had a former Congressman Rob Bishop,
who was a member of that committee trying to give
it as the best eye and he resigned and he
said that they've got to set agenda all ready to go. Yeah,
and so these aren't I mean, look, there's a lot
of efforts that go on that are are we that
are are what you want there? They're grassroots their citizens.

(45:11):
But if something you're gonna you got too many that
there's too much money on the left out there where
they could love, they would love to purchase themselves some
good laws. You know, this is how they do it.

Speaker 1 (45:22):
All right, let's go to Russ and bountiful Rush, thanks
for waiting patiently for us. Go ahead, you're on the
Roden Gregg Show.

Speaker 12 (45:29):
Yeah, I had the unpleasure of growing up in California,
where these things are like a diamond dozen. Every year
they've got two or three of these initiate ballots written
by quote quote grassroots people. Yes, and I'll tell you what,
California resents the hell out of most of them, and
they're trying to overturn a bunch this year that Kamala
Harris as Attorney General of the state push like hell.

(45:50):
And I don't know why. I understand what you guys
are saying that the legislature doesn't have a budget, but
if there's something about ready to be voted on, that's
just out of out of this world, stupid and illegal
and gonna cause problems. I don't know why our state
attorney general or our governor doesn't have a budget and
their funds to go on on the public record, on
the TV, on whatever and say, guys, do not vote

(46:14):
for this. It's gonna kill our state. It's gonna ruin
our budget. It's gonna, you know, allow people to rob
our stores for ninety five thousand dollars each time and
not be prosecute or whatever. That crazy Kamala Harris did
in California. We don't want to California.

Speaker 1 (46:28):
No, we sure don't. Rus we don't.

Speaker 2 (46:29):
No. Thank you for the call, and you're exactly right.
I concur. Let's go to Chad in Spanish fork, Chad,
thank you for calling and thank you for holding what
say you?

Speaker 9 (46:40):
So?

Speaker 11 (46:41):
I just walk out line on a lot of people
say that they don't have any trust, but right now
I have a great respect and trust for the legislators,
especially the three that represent us down here in Utah County.
I feel like I can call them any time. But
if there was an initiative that was set through and
we knew the rules, and then as it went through
and was passed and voted on, if they turned around

(47:04):
sharply after that, I mean what you're saying, Greg is true.
We don't want a law, but can ever be changed?
I think I would have a little heartburn. It's right
after it was done.

Speaker 2 (47:14):
They changed it, as you should, Chad, And I think,
and I think that's the point is that I think
there needs to be an immediate accountability if if, if
the legislature ever did that. I concur with you.

Speaker 1 (47:24):
Yeah, can you let me ask you this, Could you
give it a year for implementation, see what the impact is,
and then go back and change there. I mean, is
there a possibility you can do something like that?

Speaker 2 (47:34):
Yeah, there is. I think there's I think anything is possible.

Speaker 1 (47:36):
Because you you raise a question. We we sometimes don't
think about all the consequences. There are some unintended consequences
that come up with any legislation, but you may not.
Do you realize those right away? No, and I don't
think you do.

Speaker 2 (47:49):
Do every single bill that's ever passed in any given session,
there's always a revisit after you've seen the run run
through and you see what's happening. It happens all the time,
and you want That's kind of what all bills are.
They're amending existing statutes in some different way, so that
it's the art of that of taking bills and refining them.

(48:09):
There's unintended consequences of impacting people in ways that weren't contemplated,
and then that's the process. And to have something that
just become memorialized and untouched, there's an incentive. There will
be an incentive for people to go that route and
have bulletproof laws that no one would ever touch again.
And I hate to say it, but California does it,

(48:30):
Like your caller pointed out, there's a lot of states
to do it that way. That it's not a value adds,
it's you know, it's not a democratic republic at that point.

Speaker 1 (48:37):
I want to bring up a point about that, this
initiative I think one of the driving factors behind all
of this. I think you'll agree with me. We'll talk
about that when we come back, Rod and Greg with
you on this Monday afternoon in Utah's talk radio one
oh five nine Canters. Democrats have always been upset that
they don't have a member of Utah's congressional delegation. Yeah
they did, I mean they did at one time, but

(48:59):
you know, it always would be basically what they want.
They want, in my opinion, a Salt Lake City district
because that will guarantee them a democratic representative every year.
And that's what behind that's what's behind all of this.
Is quite wrong on that politics. Yes, that's that's what's
going on.

Speaker 2 (49:17):
Here's what scary, Rod. That's one thing they want. They
want more than that. They want more socialized medicine. They
want more, they want you know, what they'd love, they'd
love to have campaign caps on state races, surely while
they would use dark money five oh one c fours
and and and throw tons. This is how they turned
Colorado from a Republican state to a blue state, is

(49:38):
that they went out and capped how much a state
lawmaker could raise. And then they went and put these
funds together, these packs, and and just overspent them and
where they couldn't raise individually enough to even keep pace.
So there's a lot of things.

Speaker 1 (49:53):
Packs could come in and give them money and that
would countimited.

Speaker 2 (49:56):
Amount, unlimited amounts they could come in on those super
pack eos packs and that. But the lawmakers themselves, including
the Speaker of the Colorado House and the Senate President,
couldn't raise more than you know, three thousand a person
at a time. And they could, they were just getting
wiped out financially by better funded campaigns against them. And
that's it, and it's worked in it and it it

(50:18):
is one of the things that I have appreciated about
Utah is that we don't cap like federal races, the
amount that people can give. We just make it transparent.
You have to disclose in real time online. All of
these efforts, these initiatives, these are if you if you
ask people where they come from, especially the aggressive ones
like the redistricting boundaries or medicaid expansion, or when they

(50:40):
overturned school choice back in oh seven. These are unions,
these are others, these are NGOs, these are these nonprofits.
And by the way, it's a statewide race. So for
all Utahns that live in this state, if every single county,
twenty nine counties, let's say twenty eight of them, twenty
seven of them overwhelmingly voted against it, but you got
enough votes in Salt Lake County to carry the day.

(51:03):
Is that how we want laws decided in Utah by
one county that has a population that can erase the
collective will of every other county.

Speaker 1 (51:11):
I just I think that's what they want. They do,
they do, I mean, isn't that what they want?

Speaker 13 (51:16):
Great?

Speaker 2 (51:16):
They do?

Speaker 1 (51:17):
And I wonder, I wonder how many people who sign
a petition really understand what's going on and they follow
the money into who is funding that petitions?

Speaker 13 (51:27):
Right?

Speaker 11 (51:28):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (51:28):
And it would be impossible to because they're they're very long.
These initiatives are statutes, so they're very long and involved
in what that what the wording is. And if you
try to get down to the we'd say, you saw
the easter egg inside the initiative and you said, this
isn't even what they're advertising. Good luck getting that message
out versus, you know, millions and millions of dollars saying otherwise.

(51:49):
The other thing is just by way of example, back
in twenty what was it, twenty nineteen, the legislature passed
what they call tax reform that was going to have
the effect of raising tax on food and I think
maybe gasoling, but it was going to raise taxes, especially
I know, on food. Well, this process it came it
was a referendum in this in this case, but when

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they got enough votes to put on the ballot, the
legislature went in the special session and repealed the bill
because there is a respect that the people had risen
up and that they didn't want this, and they they
they so they So I don't think that lever is
being taken from the people. What you never want is
for it to be something you could never revisit, you
could never amend, you could never look at like you

(52:30):
do every single law in the state law and that
we had before we go.

Speaker 1 (52:35):
To news at the top of the hour, here and
pick up the third hour of the show. Do you
is there some common ground here that lawmakers could find
that would do what lawmakers want to do well at
the same time giving the ballot people what they want
well common ground.

Speaker 2 (52:51):
Well, I'll tell you this. I do think I haven't
read the specific language of what this special session will
bill will be to do what paramterals there to describe
for the voters that would be voting on a constitutional amendment.
But what I hear is that they are going to
even extend the number of days that currently exist. It's
at you to give more time to collect signatures. And

(53:11):
even if if you had a I don't know, a
gestation period or something, so you couldn't just immediately take
it away. Maybe there's something maybe those things there. I
don't know if it's in that that that valid question
or not, but I do think those are things that
are worthy of discussion.

Speaker 1 (53:26):
All Right, we'll talk more about that in the coming
day special session taking place on Wednesday. All Right, explain
this to me, Greg, Because you worked in government, you
understand all this. People are having a difficult time out there, right.
Inflation is killing people. They're people who are you know,
not eating as much. I mean, they're changing their their
the food budget because things are expensive. So why do

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governments always think this is the right time to raise taxes?

Speaker 2 (53:51):
Well, explain this one to me, so I will. You
will never hear me explain when or why it would
be good a good time to raise taxes because I
don't want to raise taxes, and I think that it's
it's you know, the necessity is the mother of invention
in terms of when you don't have the budget or
if your budget's are strained, populations are growing. Before you
raise taxes, you're stretching every one of those dollars. You

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can find a lot of fat in there, obviously. But
here's what we have. We have a we have a
tax system called truth and Taxation, and in our county governments, yes,
and what that does, actually, all of our property tax
goes through truth and taxation, meaning that that the entity,
whether it's your school district or a mosquito abatement district,
or city or county, whatever amount of money they're getting

(54:33):
on the whole, they get that amount of money next year,
they don't get there's no adjustment. If you see your
your the value of your home go up there's no
that your taxes don't aren't supposed to necessarily go up.
Everything's supposed to stay equal. So they're getting the same
amount of money every single every single year. And what
happens is nobody wants to raise taxes, so they hold

(54:54):
off and they don't do it. They don't do it
for a long time. So when there comes a point
where population has grown or there's been a strand on
the budget, you see these proposals for tax increases that
are coming. They're pretty high, and they're pretty daunting. And
a lot of times that's because they avoided those Truth
and Taxation hearings and they avoided that thorough process to
explain to the voters why they're going to raise taxes.

(55:16):
They've avoided it for so long, at some point something
like this comes along. Now, Utah County went through this already.
They went and they raised taxes so much they the
voters in Utah County kicked out those county commissioners and
inferred the brand new commissioners came in and they lowered
the taxes after they got it back in. And so
when you talk about forty eight percent tax increase, I

(55:38):
just don't know how that's going to fly.

Speaker 1 (55:40):
Well, it's happening in Utah County. They're proposing a hike
that would boost its portion of property taxes on a
home worth five hundred thirty two thousand dollars by forty
eight percent, from one hundred and ninety dollars to two
hundred and eighty two dollars.

Speaker 2 (55:55):
By the way, five hundred thousand's that's a that's a
town home. Now, that's not even a house. Points sadly, yeah, sadly.
So you're talking that the town home is going to
go from what one hundred and what I mean one
hundred and ninety to two eighty two. Yes, that's on
your townhouse. So do the math as you get as
you get to homes and other homes. I mean, that's
the numbers get nowt to rise.

Speaker 1 (56:14):
But then on top of that, Greg you have the
Alpine School District. They're raising taxes as well. They voted
on a twelve percent increase early last week, where public
comments were virtually unanimously against it. So you know, I
understand what you're saying. They wait, they wait, they weighed,
but then all of a sudden you get hit with
this and for some people, you know it may you

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know they break this down, Well, it's really only eight
dollars a month, eight for each household, you know.

Speaker 2 (56:39):
But there's like just your tight have you seen it?
When we get our property taxes in the mail, you know,
they tell you how much youo. You see how many
line items on how many different entities are collecting property
tax from you. There's an accumulative effect on our property
taxes in terms of how much more we end up
paying every year. School districts, especially when they float a

(57:00):
bond to build a new school or refurbished schools, they
do this thing that, okay, if it takes you fifteen
twenty years to pay off the bond, whatever it may be.
Instead of your property tax is now going down lower
because you you raise them to pay the bond, You
did the work, and now you just paid it off.
The school districts will come to you and say, hey,
we want to do all this new stuff and it's

(57:20):
not going to cost you a red scent anymore. It
doesn't doesn't raise your taxes at all. Why because they
would have gone down otherwise. Wouldn't you love to see
a year where your property taxes went down? I mean,
I've seen it on it. I've seen it on a
line item. I've never seen it at the bottom line.
I've never seen my taxes, my property taxes go down
when you take all the different entities to get a

(57:40):
property tax. I've never seen my property tax go down
year every year. But I have seen respective line items
go down. But you know, like the Mosquito batement or
the sewer district or someone like that. But on the whole,
the taxes go up, even when with truth and taxation,
where you're not supposed to see that happen, you see
it just by the respective taxing districts that will raise it.

Speaker 1 (58:03):
Well, it's kind of interesting my wife and I when
we get those tax notices, I always like to go
through them and see what happened. I can't remember a
year where my taxes have gone down.

Speaker 2 (58:11):
No, no, I haven't gone down.

Speaker 1 (58:13):
You know, I just don't see it. And I understand
cost or more in here county officials and Utah out
of you're saying, well, it's inflation, we understand that. But again, Greg,
I go back to this, Why wait till you get
to the point where you have to do it and
the increase is forty or forty eight percent.

Speaker 2 (58:30):
Well, and I'll tell you this property tax is one
of the most cruelest taxes unless you got a mortgage
that's just kind of pulling it out every month and
you don't feel it. You think you don't feel it,
you do. You're still paying it. But whether the economy
is doing well or not, you have a bottom line
bill kind of at the end of the day, you
could be employed or you could be unemployed. You've got
an amount. You know, sales tax really tracks you're spending.

(58:51):
So if you're you're not able to afford, you're not
spending as much bit property tax, especially if you're on
a fixed income. If you're there's just a lot of
variables to have appropriate property tax that make it very
difficult to pay. First and foremost, Second, raise it forty
eight percent on your county tax. Your county is not
one of those small line items in your in your

(59:13):
property tax bill, because you've got a lot, you got
your cities, you got your schools, you got your like
I said, mosquitobatement district, sewer districts, you name it.

Speaker 1 (59:20):
So it's a it's it's a very aggressive proposal. Well,
he'd say, ezra Naire I believe is his name. He's
a county administrator down there in Utah County. He said this,
I think we can all agree that taxes suck.

Speaker 2 (59:35):
Yeah, okay, and don't raise it. No, don't suck forty
eight percent more? But now how about that?

Speaker 1 (59:43):
How about that? But then he comes back and says, look,
we've cut too million dollars from the health department, We've
let go more than one hundred employees, and seeking revenue
from other sources, such as incentivizing businesses to come to
the county in order to increase sales tax revenue and
getting federal aid for certain projects. So they say they've cut,
but now they're ready, they're razy.

Speaker 13 (01:00:04):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:00:05):
I'm I'm telling you that that. I have never seen
a situation where if you if you don't have it
and you have to start cutting budgets, you can find it.

Speaker 13 (01:00:16):
You can.

Speaker 2 (01:00:17):
So, in other words, what was it the Great Recession?
We were we had a billion dollar shortfall and a
year where the state budget was ten billion dollars, so
ten percent of the expected revenue from taxpayers didn't arrive
and we had to cut, and we had rainy day funds,
and we had been planned, but there was cuts and
you know what, government didn't go dry up and go away. Yeah, people,
you know the sun still rose in the morning from

(01:00:38):
the east. I mean, there's nothing wrong with going through
austerity measures.

Speaker 1 (01:00:44):
Is there are there ways greg to protect people on
fixed incomes from having to deal with something like this?

Speaker 2 (01:00:51):
Well, the ways there is.

Speaker 1 (01:00:54):
I mean, you know, you're asking some to pay tax
increases in others not to. And the ones who I
think get hit hard inswert people who are unfixed.

Speaker 2 (01:01:01):
Incomes, so they can apply it's it's appropriate tax abatement,
but it doesn't. The tax man doesn't go away. They
just wait for you to die, and then why don't
you go They got a lean on your house and
they're gonna take it.

Speaker 1 (01:01:14):
Then that's it?

Speaker 2 (01:01:15):
Is that it? Yeah, it's kind of you know, rude.

Speaker 13 (01:01:19):
Wow.

Speaker 9 (01:01:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:01:20):
So and then you have to you have to show
that you know that your fixed income is is you
got to show it a little bit. But I don't think,
I don't think. I don't know that the assessors and
things are overly strict about it. But what I don't
like about the way they do it for seniors on
fixed income is that you still owe it you just
you just don't have to pay it. It just gets
attached to the home for someone else to pay it.

Speaker 13 (01:01:42):
Something.

Speaker 2 (01:01:42):
Really Yeah, so if it sells, then the county will
get what wasn't paid at the time.

Speaker 1 (01:01:47):
The tax man is going to get whatever he wants
to get, right.

Speaker 2 (01:01:49):
It seems to be the trend.

Speaker 1 (01:01:51):
Yeah, yes, yeah, they're always going to get what they
want to get. But I I, you know, I I
appreciate the explanation, but I've never understood why when economic
times are tough the way they are in this country
for a lot of people today, why these taxing entities
like school districts or counties boost taxes like forty eight percent.
The percentage may be a bit deceiving. It doesn't appear

(01:02:12):
to be that much money before.

Speaker 2 (01:02:13):
Now that's a lot because that's just one line amount
of like eleven And that property tax bill you're getting,
I mean, there's a lot of taxing entities on that
property tax coming. The one that blows my mind there
are the school districts. I mean, they have that little
accounting game that they say, well, we have a bond
that's coming off, let's respend that money. I don't know

(01:02:33):
what they'd be coming back to the well for for
more in addition to that, and I think isn't isn't
there a discussion right now to split school districts. They
want to raise tax.

Speaker 1 (01:02:42):
County out at the same time, Alpine is the biggest
district in the state. I believe right now, behind David
or ahead of day, they.

Speaker 2 (01:02:47):
Don't if they don't want to split the school district.
I mean, I don't know. The property taxes is the
way to tell people that you're well.

Speaker 1 (01:02:56):
And you and I both agree on this. I hate
large school districts. Yeah, yeah, I think there are. They
are too big in this state.

Speaker 2 (01:03:03):
We split Jordan and we had Canyon School District, and
we saw too We saw now a middle school and
a high school built in Draper, which was the same
size as Riverton. Riverton had two middle schools in a
high school. Draper didn't have any, but they were paying
property tax like everyone else in Jordan School District. Once
it was Canyon School District, we saw a responsiveness to
our own community of which we paid taxes, which was nice.

Speaker 1 (01:03:25):
All right. More coming up, Rod and Greg with you
you're on Utah's tax tax Radio Talk Radio one O
five nine K n RS.

Speaker 2 (01:03:33):
Look, we got a loyal listener in Pittsburgh, PA. My cousin,
Mattie's listening. He just sent me. Yes, he just said,
mcti's discount beer outlet. Yes, the most popular. And Route
eight right there in Shaler. His his school taxes are
going straight up six point six percent. They hit in
an overall budget that was a lot that looked a
lot smaller, but their property tax just went up. And

(01:03:54):
he sent me a link to the Alleghany County, which
is the Pittsburgh metropolitan Mary he'd be like the you know,
Salt Lake County bit. All the school districts in there.
I just looked at it. I saw a few that
might have stayed the same, but most of the school
districts are raising their property taxes on their citizens in
real time right now. It's and so it's just it's happening.
It's not unique to Utah. And I necessity is a

(01:04:17):
mother invention. Invention. I'm telling you that now is the
time to really, I think, get the pencil out and
sharpen it up and honestly, look at look at where
this economy is at right now. I mean, I don't
know that I could argue when there is a great
time to raise taxes. I don't know when that moment is.
I never I never really felt like this is the
moment we need to raise everyone's taxes. But I do

(01:04:38):
know when it would hurt people more than it wouldn't.
It would or versus would't, And that would be right
now when you're seeing everything in this world. I'm looking
at still eggs up one hundred and ten percent since
Biden took office. You know, milk is up fifteen percent. Anyway,
it just goes on wrong. I just think, folks, if
you have a comment about this in terms of you know,

(01:04:59):
what you're seeing out there, your property taxes, your school taxes,
eight eight eight five seven zero eight zero one zero
is a number to call if you'd like to comment
on this. But I I can imagine what the callers
are gonna say, No, thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:05:13):
Eighty eight five seven eight zero one zero on your
cell phone. The I'll pound two to fifty and say, hey, Ron,
I'm with you, Greg. I mean, you know, and here
you have now you have the Democrats out there and
their convention is underway right now as we're watching it
on the monitors here. They you know, Kamalent with her
crazy ideas that she unveiled on Friday. I know you
talked about this on the show. Even major liberal media

(01:05:36):
outlets in this country, the Washington Host, the New York
Times saying, what on earth are you trying to do here?
I mean, that's what it came down. I love this
one headline says, you know your opponent is calling you
a communist, yet you propose communist ideals for the economy.

Speaker 2 (01:05:52):
So the The Washington Post broke ranks decided that they
and they chastised the Harris Walls ticket for gimmicks. They said,
this price fixing of groceries, the rent control and giving
every handing out twenty five thousand dollars for everyone to
buy a house, billions and billions of dollars for government
built and run housing units, not homes units. They called it.

(01:06:15):
The Washington Post editorial board called it all gimmicks and
that this is these are serious times that needs serious
economic policies. I mean, come on, and when they're when
they're going after them for that way, it's uh, it
means it must be pretty bad, right.

Speaker 1 (01:06:31):
Eight eight eight five seven age 're a one zero
eight eight eight five seven age or a one zero
on your cell phone to I'll pound two to fifty
and say, hey, Rod, let's go to the phones. Let's
start with Sean in Pleasant Grove tonight here on the
Rodden Greg show. Sean, how are you? Thanks for joining us.

Speaker 4 (01:06:46):
I'm better than I deserve to quote Dave Ramsey. However, yes,
the tax part of it is really kind of getting
my dander up. First of all, thanks for taking my call.
I love both you guys on the radio. I was
at both meetings for the Alpine School District and for
Provo or Utah County. Sorry it's in Provo. I was

(01:07:09):
at both meetings. In the Alpine District. They heard everybody
who was at least ten to one against voting to
increase that and they told us it was only seven percent,
but it turns out it's more than that. As soon
as that comment period was over, they asked for emotion
to raise that tax by whatever the percentage number was.

(01:07:30):
It was point zeroso six something whatever the mill was,
and they got a second and they voted to do it.
So they're not going to raise them.

Speaker 11 (01:07:39):
They did.

Speaker 9 (01:07:40):
They did.

Speaker 12 (01:07:41):
That's the first thing.

Speaker 4 (01:07:42):
Utah County and Alpine District people should understand. And the
second thing is at the Provo at Utah County in
Provo on Thursday night last week, I found out that
they're both all three commissioners. They make a salary of
one hundred and sixty seven thousand dollars a year and

(01:08:03):
the average or media salary in Utah County of seventy thousand,
so they're making about one hundred grand more than that.
Even though they took their rais away, they're still making
a pretty good amount of money for what they do.
And even though and the Greg said it too, even
though they've got people who are working for them, they've
cut all these jobs, they need to cut some more

(01:08:24):
because that's what taxpayers and citizens need to do when
we have too much. Month left at the.

Speaker 12 (01:08:29):
End of the money.

Speaker 2 (01:08:30):
Yeah, you're right, month left at the end of the money,
month left. Thank you for your call, Thanks for those observations,
a spot on. Let's go now to John and salt Lake. John,
thank you for calling the Rod and Greg show. What
say you, sir?

Speaker 1 (01:08:44):
How you doing? Thanks good?

Speaker 16 (01:08:45):
How you doing?

Speaker 13 (01:08:46):
Hey?

Speaker 10 (01:08:46):
I retired three and a half years ago and I thought, Okay,
I have enough money to survive, But now I have
to go back to work part.

Speaker 1 (01:08:53):
Time because of the cost.

Speaker 10 (01:08:56):
One of the biggest taxes is on sales tax. These
I'm making a ton of money. Is a food tax.
Everything's up, groceries up, does all that's up. And they're
waking a ton of sales tax. I mean, no one
you've been talking about that, not just real estate tax,
but the sales tax. No, they're getting money from that.
Thing's more expensive.

Speaker 1 (01:09:16):
Now, that's true. And and John, you're right, Utah County
is one of the healthiest economies we have in this
day right now. A lot of money being.

Speaker 2 (01:09:25):
Cities get a portion of sales tax. I mean, there's
a sales tax. Is a revenue source. So he brings
up a very good point.

Speaker 1 (01:09:31):
Let's go to Josh and Nephi tonight on the Rowden
Greg Show. Hi, Josh, how are you.

Speaker 15 (01:09:37):
Doing great?

Speaker 7 (01:09:37):
Now about you guys?

Speaker 1 (01:09:38):
We're doing well, Thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:09:41):
Good.

Speaker 7 (01:09:42):
So we built our house, me and my wife about
fourish years ago. Four and a half years ago. We
lived in a little house with our six kids with
one bathroom until we paid off a piece of property
sold our house. Used that money to begin the down
payment and pay and from the time that we moved
in until now our property taxes on our home have tripled.

(01:10:05):
We also have a business, automotive prepare shop, and our
taxes are about double what they were when we took
over about two years ago.

Speaker 2 (01:10:15):
So I thank you, Thank you thought on it, yeah,
go ahead.

Speaker 7 (01:10:20):
My only thought on it would be and we built
our house during It was right after Hurricane Harvey and
Urmau and all that good stuff, and the prices went up.
We shrunk besides of our garage. Our house went from
brick to siding so we could build it within our means,
and we knew what the taxes were going to be. Now,

(01:10:40):
with the cost of everything else, taxes go up. We
didn't expect the addition on taxes. My thought for the
legislatures would be when you buy, so I build your house,
your tax rates locked in until you sell it. Anybody
who moves in afterward, hit them for the higher rate
as to come in, but lock that in for them.

Speaker 2 (01:11:00):
The real time observations are absolutely and critical for us
all to hear and too, because we brings empathy and
if we feel it too, Let's go really quickly before
we go to break. Judy and Salt Lake. Judy, thank
you for holding, Thank you for calling. What do you
think about all these taxes?

Speaker 16 (01:11:14):
Yeah, I'm so upset about it. I was retired, semi
retired and had to go back to work. But just
because of the COVID and everything, my property taxes just
in Salt Lake have gone up three hundred and fifty
dollars this year, three hundred and fifty dollars. And let's
not even talk about my water bill. Even if my

(01:11:34):
taxes hadn't gone up, I would have to get a
second job just to pay for the water bill. I'm
not even kidding a little bit.

Speaker 4 (01:11:41):
No.

Speaker 2 (01:11:41):
I also agree.

Speaker 16 (01:11:43):
I also do craft service for movie sets and things
like that. The food costs are like up three and
four and five dollars, and the sizes have shrank. I
used to get twelve or twenty four of one thing
that was eight dollars seven ninety eight. Now it's twelve,

(01:12:04):
not twenty four, and it's eleven ninety eight.

Speaker 1 (01:12:07):
Well, amazing, Jayesus, thanks you for calling. Food prices are
crazy great, I mean are.

Speaker 2 (01:12:13):
And water prices and Salt Lake have gone straight up
through the ceiling. Yes they have, Yes, I know this.

Speaker 1 (01:12:18):
You know, taxes and inflation all at the same time,
why did we put up with her? Right? All right,
more coming up Ron and Greg right here on Utah's
Talk Radio one oh five nine knrs.

Speaker 2 (01:12:28):
By the way, I haven't mentioned this. I was mentioning
this while you were gone. Yes, I am so annoyed
that Kamala Harris likes to say on day one, this
is what I'll do. You do not have a day
Well you did have a day one, but that day
one was one thousand, three hundred and seven days ago
when the Biden Harris administration started. So I like this
announce and I'd like to do this into the fall.

(01:12:48):
Today is day one thousand, three hundred and seven of
the Biden Harris regime. That she has been on the
clock really from January twentieth, twenty twenty one till today.
That's one thousand, three hundred and seven days we've had her,
you know, handling things. Yeah, So she only get to
run away from that, She only get to pretend that,
you know, she's someone different than what we've been dealing with.

Speaker 1 (01:13:11):
Seventy eight days, by the way, before the election, seventy
eight days go by fast. It is going very go
by fast, going by fast. Well, our good friend, someone
we all know in love. Don Lemon, who used to
be with CNN no longer was CNN, decided to go
to the boardwalk in New Jersey. Now New Jersey is
a very blue state. Yes, would you? Would you agree?

Speaker 2 (01:13:31):
Yep? It's the belly of the beast when it comes
these Democrats.

Speaker 1 (01:13:34):
So Don decided to take a walk down the boardwalk
and ask people who they liked for the election.

Speaker 2 (01:13:40):
Yes, well, I'm sure he thought that was he was
at the right place to get the right answer.

Speaker 1 (01:13:44):
Well, he was a bit stunned.

Speaker 2 (01:13:46):
Well, I want Donald Trump.

Speaker 9 (01:13:47):
I just feel we need somebody that has a stronger
background with the military and the.

Speaker 4 (01:13:53):
World in general.

Speaker 1 (01:13:54):
She was a prosecutor and the attorney general, senator, vice president.
You're in a gambling town, who's your money on? Support
the Democratic Party? But I mean Trump looked like he
got it in the bank where and four years ago
it was a lot better. I made a lot more
money than I do. Now, I know you feel that way,
but that's not actually what the record shows. The economy
is actually better under Bible. No I'm serious.

Speaker 2 (01:14:16):
No, No, that's not because I watched seeing it Trump.

Speaker 1 (01:14:18):
Or Harris Trump. That's who's gonna win, That's what's gonna win.
Who do you support?

Speaker 2 (01:14:22):
I'll support Trump all the people that came to this
country legally.

Speaker 10 (01:14:25):
Is not fair that they're letting all ten thousand to
fifteen thousand people or twenty thousand people here I legally.

Speaker 1 (01:14:32):
Have you seen San Diego?

Speaker 2 (01:14:34):
They're coming, They're coming off the boats off the water
right here, off the ocean. Did you know Biden with
flying the men? Did you know Biden with flying the men?
Did you you didn't know that?

Speaker 1 (01:14:44):
I love the guy who laughed when he said, well,
the economy's better.

Speaker 2 (01:14:47):
Right, Ah, I know, he says, I was making a
lot more money back then. Well, I know you feel
that way, but that's not that's not really how it's working.
And he laughs, And I'm like, you're really gonna tell
me how I'm how what my pocketbook's doing, what my
bank account look like. And he just laughs at him.
He's like, you watch too much CNN.

Speaker 1 (01:15:03):
You watch too much.

Speaker 2 (01:15:04):
He got fired from CNN. He didn't watch it.

Speaker 13 (01:15:07):
Now.

Speaker 1 (01:15:07):
The one thing you brought up grade you pointed this out.
There are thousands upon thousands of protesters in Chicago during
the DNC.

Speaker 9 (01:15:14):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:15:15):
The question is who's paying for these guys?

Speaker 2 (01:15:18):
Yes, that is the question. Yeah, that is the question
right now if you're watching anything out there trying their best,
the Democrats are trying to keep they love walls. By
the way, they're all into walls. I'm not talking governor walls.
I'm talking they are building barricades around their convention to
try and keep these people out. Now, Governor Walls ought
to go get one of those ladders he keeps talking,

(01:15:40):
that are taller than the border walls for these poor,
you know protesters. But these pro hamas pro terrorist uh protesters.
They they number they're saying numbers up to like one
hundred thousand of them. Where are they staying? What are
they staying in? Hotel rooms?

Speaker 13 (01:15:56):
Are they?

Speaker 2 (01:15:58):
Who's paying for got signs?

Speaker 1 (01:16:00):
Rocks Museum?

Speaker 2 (01:16:01):
Yeah, they're not written in crayon, these are These are
professionally made signs. Who's paying for all this?

Speaker 1 (01:16:07):
Good question? Good question. Yeah, Well there are reports that
you running and government is paying.

Speaker 2 (01:16:11):
For Well, I would believe it, I would I would believe.
I mean, you got to get the money somewhere. And again,
that's the one thing that the left doesn't have any
shortage of. Somehow they have more money to spend h
to create the chaos they do than than the average
everyday Americans to try and keep you know, keep keeping on.

Speaker 1 (01:16:29):
Yeah, I believe it. Governor Tim Walls.

Speaker 2 (01:16:33):
Yeah, I I. Well, they're using the language of liberty.
I talked about this last Friday Friday. I'm on uh uh.
New York Times is saying, Look, it's like Fidel Castro
chanting USA. Okay, he's not patriotic, folks. He's just trying to, like,
you know, make you feel it. But he does he
doesn't mean it. Listen to this exchange about Governor Walls,

(01:16:55):
what he what he has done in when he has
done in Minnesota, and and the question of is this,
what is this what the Harris Walls administration would do
if given the chance?

Speaker 1 (01:17:05):
This Grutchen Whitmer, the governor of Michigan on Meet the
Press Sunday, Well, let.

Speaker 17 (01:17:09):
Me ask you about her running mate, Tim Walls, and
particularly on the issue of immigration. Obviously, some of his
policies in his state have come into focused. He signed
into law initiatives allowing undocumented immigrants to apply for driver's licenses,
quality free for free tuition at public universities, and enroll

(01:17:29):
in the state's free healthcare program for low income residents.
Would you like to see the Harris administration adopt those
same policies.

Speaker 8 (01:17:38):
Governor, Well, I can tell you you know, Tim Walls
is a pragmatic guy. He's a Midwesterner just like me,
and I think some of the wonderful things he's done
in Minnesota resonate with you know, Americans in all states.

Speaker 2 (01:17:53):
Pragmatic guy, mister midwesterner. He's a trip to the hardware store. Yeah,
given Friedrich, given driver's licenses to illegal aliens, free health
care and tuition.

Speaker 1 (01:18:04):
Driving drunk, Yes, again, tampons.

Speaker 2 (01:18:08):
For kids in schools, language of liberty, of which they
mean none of they don't they get Right now at
the convention, they're chanting USA, which we were told, you
know before, that was a racist The American flag is
a racist symbol.

Speaker 1 (01:18:19):
Can't do that.

Speaker 2 (01:18:20):
They're doing it now, trying to get that ross belt,
that every day vote. But it's again, it's like Fidel
Castro chanting USA.

Speaker 1 (01:18:25):
Yeah, it was time.

Speaker 2 (01:18:28):
We have time for that.

Speaker 1 (01:18:29):
Yeah, well, let's talk about we need to mention Phil
Donahue died the way, yes today, eighty eight years old.
Family apparently indicating he's been suffering from an illness for
quite some time. His wife Marlo Thomas. Of course that
girl y, Yeah, that girl Phil. You know, Phil Donahue
was interesting. I always found the show to be fascinating.
It was one of the more intelligent yes daytime TV

(01:18:50):
talk shows than like Who's the guy I'm thinking of
Jerry spring Pier, which was.

Speaker 2 (01:18:54):
Just run I played hooky as a kid. I used
to watch Phil Donahue show.

Speaker 1 (01:18:57):
Well, we want play a clip with Donahue and this
is the economists Milton Friedman. Yeah, and boy does he
lay him out.

Speaker 10 (01:19:03):
Did you ever have a moment of doubt about capitalism
and whether greed's a good idea to run on?

Speaker 18 (01:19:09):
Well, first of all, tell me, is there some society
you know that doesn't run on greed? You think Russia
doesn't run on greed? You think China doesn't run on greed?

Speaker 1 (01:19:19):
What is greed?

Speaker 18 (01:19:21):
Of course, none of us are greeding. It's only the
other fellow who's greeding. The world runs on individuals pursuing
their separators. The great achievements of civilization have not come
from government bureaus. Einstein didn't construct his theory under order
from a bureaucrat Henry Ford didn't revolutionize the automobile industry
that way. In the only cases in which the masses

(01:19:44):
have escaped from the kind of grinding poverty you're talking about,
the only cases in recorded history or where they have
had capitalism and largely free trade. If you want to
know where the masses are worse off worst off, it's
exactly in the kind of societies that depart from that,
So that the record of history is absolutely crystal clear

(01:20:06):
that there is no alternative way so far discovered of
improving the lot of the ordinary people that can hold
a candle to the productive activities that are unleashed by
free enterprise set it seems to reward not virtue as
much as ability to manipulate the system. And what does
reward virtue? You think the communist commissary rewards virtue? You

(01:20:29):
think of Hitler rewards virtue, you think excuse me, if
you'll pardon me. Do you think American president's reward virtue?
Do they choose their appointees on the basis of the
virtue of the people appointed or on the basis of
their political clout? Is it really true that political self
edterst is nobler somehow than economic self edters. You know,

(01:20:51):
I think you're taking a lot of things for granted.
Just tell me where in the world you find these
angels who are going to organize society for us.

Speaker 1 (01:21:00):
I don't even trust you to do that. Milton Freeman,
he laid it on the line for Phil Donna. He
want explain the importance of the free enterprise system.

Speaker 2 (01:21:09):
The best way of improving the lot of ordinary people
is a free market. Yeah, and that was true then,
it's true today. And that's not one single idea coming
out of that Harris Walls campaign at all. There about
government controls of prices of your groceries, your rent, control
your I mean, they just they think there's a government
answer for everything. It's it's as a polar opposite everything
you just heard Milton Freeman instruct to Phil Donahue.

Speaker 1 (01:21:31):
AOC speaks tonight at the Democratic Convention, Joe and Joe
Biden speak. And who else is speaking tonight? A woman
that just will not go away? Who Hillary Clinton? Wow,
she just won't go around. Lock her up, Lock her up.
Bet they don't chant that at this convention. You yeah, yeah,
but she's speaking tonight tomorrow we'll have a busy day.

(01:21:52):
Reaction to what Joe has to say when he says
bye bye.

Speaker 2 (01:21:56):
Yeah we will. We will provide the analysis.

Speaker 1 (01:21:59):
Yeah, we'll get give you interpretation of what Joe Biden
says tonight. That's coming up tomorrow on the Rotten Greg Show. Well,
as we say each and every night, head up, shoulders back,
Thank God, bless you and your family and this great
country of our It's great to be back today. Had
a lot of fun.

Speaker 2 (01:22:14):
Yeah, welcome back.

Speaker 1 (01:22:15):
Yeah, thank you. We'll be back tomorrow at four. We'll
talk to you then, have a good night.

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