The Rod and Greg Show: Some Democratic Senate Candidates Are Lending Support to Donald Trump

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Man, have we got a show for you today?

Speaker 2 (00:02):
Greg?

Speaker 1 (00:02):
I mean, you know what I want to say, desperate.
I also want to say a little scary as to
what may be going on here as we count down.
We're thirteen days away from the election. Now the Democrats
are getting more and more desperate with what's going on
in this country, and folks be aware and be ready.
That's all I can say.

Speaker 2 (00:21):
Well, here's what we're I think confronting for the first time,
and that as you're seeing. In sixteen, I think that
Trump's victory took them by complete surprise. In twenty, I
think they had a plan and I think that they
executed it well. And I still think they were surprised
by how much of a turnout Donald Trump received, which
made their plan harder. And I think that there were
irregularities we were able to see that had it gone

(00:44):
the way they thought it was, it would have gone
largely unnoticed. But now everybody's on, everybody's watching, everybody's it's
a lot better. But you have something you've never had before,
and that is Trump ahead in the polls, and Trump
ahead and the analytics and the modeling and all that.
So now what you're seeing is you're seeing the Democrats
putting out their next plan early, and they're trying to

(01:08):
I'm telling you, Rod and ladies and gentlemen, they are
laying the groundwork to see if it's possible to not
give up the presidency to Trump, even if he were
to be successful at the election. And I know that
sounds radical, but I'm telling you, I think today's a
statement by Kamala Harris as vice president and at the
White House compound, at a residence rather and on White

(01:29):
House stationary, not a campaign stock. We should be concerned
with that. That is not a campaign message. And she's
basically calling him Hiller. I mean, Obama says, how do
we get so divisive?

Speaker 1 (01:40):
I don't know, you're calling them hiller, You're calling them Hitler.
That could be a Well, let me set this up
for you. What has happened in the last twenty four hours.
There was the article in The Atlantic. The New York
Times of course picked it up. Then an interview with
former chief of staff John Kelly, John Kelly, who you
can relate a story about maybe a little bit later
on in the show about you know, John Kelly had
dinner with John Kelly as a matter of fact at

(02:01):
one time, but he basically came out and said, you know,
claims that Trump once said he wished his generals were
like Hitler's generals and they would do exactly what he
wanted to do. I'm paraphrasing there, right. So this campaign,
even before Kamala took over Biden, we're always trying to
paint Trump as a dictator and a fascist. So what

(02:24):
happened today, not on the campaign trail, she steps out
of outside of the official Vice President's residence there in
Washington to make a statement like this.

Speaker 3 (02:35):
It is deeply troubling and incredibly dangerous that Donald Trump
would invoke Adolf Hitler, the man who is responsible for
the deaths of six million Jews and hundreds of thousands
of Americans. All of this is further evidence for the

(02:56):
American people of who Donald Trump really is. This is
a and to who Donald Trump really is from the
people who know him best, from the people who worked
with him side by side in the Oval office and
in the situation room. And it is clear from John
Kelly's words that Donald Trump is someone who I quote

(03:18):
certainly falls into the general definition of fascists.

Speaker 1 (03:22):
Now, she's not on the campaign trail. Doing this, she
is acting as vice president, stepping outside the official residence
of the Vice President in Washington and making this statement
about Donald Trump is a threat to the United States
of America. It goes right along. But there's something unique
about this, Greg. It's not on the campaign trail. She

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is trying to make it look as official as they
possibly can.

Speaker 2 (03:46):
Now, what I would love to believe is that this
is a one and done, that this was just done
to try and create a somber mood, to try and
catch the media's attention, to really make to dominate this
media for the day, that he's a fascist, he's Hitler
because they've got nothing else to do. This is their hell.

Speaker 1 (04:04):
Mary.

Speaker 2 (04:05):
If that's it, actually, folks, I think that's good news.
What I'm afraid of is that this is an official
act of more to come. This is and what worries
me is you've got You've got Liz Cheney posting soon
after saying John Kelly is a gold star father and
he's the White House, he was the White House Chief
of Staff, confirming that Trump praised Hitler. And if you
any called members of the military suckers and losers to

(04:28):
defend Trump, you would need to look in the mirror
and realize you're your dishonor and will live forever. That
that's that's the that's the narrative. But then so you
have Kelly saying these things. But then you have our
current Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, General Milly
Mark Milly. He has said in what Bob Woodward's book,
and he's still serving as I understand, as the Chairman

(04:50):
of Joint Chiefs of Staff, so he's in charge of
the military. He warned in that in Bob Woodward's books
that's been released war that the former president is fascist
to the corps and the most dangerous person in this
to this country. Now, if you're sworn to uphold and
defend the constitution and you're making statements like that that
this person is going to destroy the constitution, going to

(05:12):
destroy this nation, does that not give you some ground
to ignore potentially an election and not allow him to
take office. I don't I hear the words coming out
of my mouth, and I don't want to believe any
of that. But I got to tell you, her odd
statement from as the vice president is not a campaign
stop and a campaign message, and it's making me pause.

(05:36):
It's an act of desperation, certainly, but to what end.

Speaker 1 (05:39):
Well, you're not alone in saying that. As a matter
of fact, John Daniel David Send, who writes for the
Federalists and will who we will have on the show
here in a little while. I mean, he said this
today explaining what's going on. He said, Harris and her
supporters are using this rhetoric to energize their base and
more disturbingly, to prepare them for violence if Trump wins.

(06:00):
That's scary. The fear mongering isn't just about driving people
to the polls. It's about creating an atmosphere of rage
and chaos. That's scary.

Speaker 2 (06:10):
Yeah. I do think that that we have some really
challenging times and so what they're not prepared for. And
I hope that this will put an end to this
this because this is a threat to our constitution. Is
if you're if you're not, if two hundred and seventy
electoral votes don't catch you in and they're and they're
going to try to make an excuse. I think hopefully
a landslide victory would would make cooler heads would prevail.

(06:34):
But let me just tell you this, folks, if you're
hearing this information, you're like, well, gosh, what if it's true?
Because John Kelly, you know, I want to just share.
I want to share two things with you. One is
a gentleman named Keith Kellogg. He is a lifetime member
of the military. He's eighty years old now. He spent
his whole entire life in the military. He retired, but
he came back to work in the Trump Pence White House.

(06:56):
He was the It was the what national Security advisor
for the former Vice President Mike Pence. He also served
as the Chief of Staff and Executive Secretary of the
National Security Council under Trump. And he posted after he
saw John Kelly's comments on x He posted this. He said,
Vice President Harris is a fraud. And this is after

(07:17):
Harris has made her a statement out and for you know,
as vice president with the seal underneath the podium. He said,
Vice President Harris as a fraud. I was in the
White House as a senior level, at a senior level,
much longer than General Kelly. He is complicit in this
fraud and has lied to the American people. His lies,
as well as John Bolton's, are a disservice to this

(07:39):
nation at a critical time. So are the vps. I'm
going to tell you so, Keith Kellogg is no one
to sneeze at. This is the lifelong military members who
served longer in that senior level than John Kelly did,
who's absolutely saying that this is not true. He served
with the president that entire time, that these are lies.
Here's what I know, okay, and this can be anecdotal,

(08:00):
but this is what I know. I get invited to
the White House Christmas Party in twenty eighteen with my wife,
with Queen Bee. Okay. Now, there's a number of these
parties that occur in the White House throughout December, so
there's not just one. And it certainly isn't the like
the Hey, the staff around the ovals getting together for
the year end party. Okay, it's not like that. There
are hundreds and hundreds of people that come to you

(08:21):
get invited to a specific event. But the event I attended,
Gingrich was there. You had staffers I could recognize that
we're there, and they have and then what happens in
all of these Christmas celebrations that they have, these receptions
is that eventually the President comes down and speaks to
everybody comes down the stairs because you're in the White
House and it's all Christmas up and it's beautiful. Well,

(08:44):
here's the thing.

Speaker 4 (08:46):
You go.

Speaker 2 (08:47):
It's kind of like a buffet. You get a line
and you get your food, and then they have these
tall tables you can kind of stand at, or they
have tables you can sit. Chris and I are sitting
down and we're eating our food, and they're sitting with us.
Is John Kelly. John Kelly resigned as chief of Staff
in the month of December. So seeing him with his
wife there at the White House, I thought to myself, Wow, okay,

(09:08):
well they didn't really end in bad blood. He's here
at the Christmas reception. Here he is, you know, And
I said hi to him. I introduced myself, just small talk,
nothing specific, but Rod, if this man thinks this guy's
the net is the closest thing to Hitler we've ever seen.
If he thinks that he wants to destroy this Constitution
and everything about it, why is he and he's already
he's already resigned as chief of staff. What's he going

(09:29):
to the Christmas celebration with his wife at the White
House for? Why is he there eating the food in
the ore durs. I mean, you wouldn't want to be there.
And by the way, it's too many people that you
would be like, Oh, I don't want to not be
seen there. I don't want to look obvious. There are
so many people at this reception, no one would know
if he came or not. He was there. It was
after he had resigned. I'm sure that Trump's hard as
a hard boss to work for, But the rhetoric I'm

(09:52):
reading from him now, I wouldn't know why he darkened
that door and be part of that Christmas celebration. If
he had these strong feelings and he thought he knew
how dangerous this guy was.

Speaker 1 (10:02):
Well, hopefully the American people, Greg will see through this rhetoric.
Donald Trump is not a fascist, you know what he is.
He's a threat to the left's power.

Speaker 2 (10:11):
That's exactly they're doing.

Speaker 1 (10:13):
Whatever they can to stop him. So we'll talk more
about this here on the Rotten Greg Show in Utah's
Talk Radio one oh five nine. Kay, and are asked,
donald Trump is not a fascist. What Donald Trump is
is a threat to the left's power. And that's why
they're so afraid of this guy. They will use anything
in the book to take this guy down, and that's
what they're trying to do right now.

Speaker 2 (10:33):
Greg, Well, you know President Trump's run a masterful campaign
and that he's humanized himself a lot more going to
McDonald's doing these things, and that that whole hate fear Trump,
hate Trump, vote against Trump is really disintegrating. That's why
you see the efforts today to try and revitalize that conversation.

Speaker 1 (10:49):
Charles Libson is joining us on our any hour Newsmaker
line right now. Charles, of course a frequent guest on
the show, always great to get his thoughts. Professor of
International Politics Emeritus at the University of Chicago, Charles, how
are you welcome back to the show. Thanks for joining us, Charles.

Speaker 5 (11:03):
It's absolutely my pleasure.

Speaker 4 (11:05):
Right.

Speaker 5 (11:05):
I think you're right about the closing argument on the
Harris campaign is really a completely a negative what Trump bad.
It's like Saturday Night Live version of Frankenstein's Monster Fire Bad.
That's kind of the argument against Trump.

Speaker 1 (11:24):
Now, Charles, do you think the American people are swayed
at all? Some may be by these accusations that he's
a Hitler loving fascist.

Speaker 5 (11:34):
It's interesting, First of all, there's an irony in having
a military people former military people enter the political arena
to talk about civilians as fascists, because normally the military
taking over the political arena is one dimension of fascism.

(11:57):
But no, I don't thing that they do. But I
think there are a lot of people who fear what
Trump will do, and that fear is the strongest actually
among educated elites. I want to say something a little
deeper about that. If that concerns you, then what really

(12:22):
restrains an unrestrained president from acting like that. Well, it's
strong institutions. It's having a Supreme Court that is respected
and not act with more twenty five justices just because
you don't like the decisions. It's having institutions like the
Senate continue to operate in an effective way where there's

(12:46):
where there's the filibuster and so forth. But Democrats as
well as Republicans have really made assaults on our institutions.
So if people are concerned about the military entering public lives,
then they are also be thinking about all these presidential
executive orders, which are kind of what we revolted against

(13:10):
when King George the Third made them. They're not and
we ought to be thinking about all these mid level
bureaucrats who make the rules that affect our lives, which
are not really democratic. We ought to strengthen the basic
institutions of constitutional democracy so that whoever becomes president, we

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don't really have to worry about that.

Speaker 2 (13:35):
So I love the I love the analysis, and I
think that it is an irony given that, you know,
what was the October Surprise in twenty twenty. It was
fifty one intelligence officials, including former CIA directors, that said,
this whole Hunter laptop, this is all has all the
hallmarks of Russian disinformation. This stuff is cuckoo. When they knew,
or at least people knew that it was absolutely valid.

(13:58):
So I think it is you're right to take the military,
take the establishment itself, and to suppose that it knows
better than the rest of the American people is a
bit of a leap, and it's somewhere we don't usually go.
Do you think there? Do you think this will get
any legs? It's certainly changed the focus today from Kamala's
in epness and we're Democrats running away from her in

(14:20):
Senate races in Pennsylvania and everywhere else, and it's back
to is Trump you know? Hitler how long does this last?
How long do we have to put up with another
one of these October surprise attempts?

Speaker 5 (14:32):
Well, I don't know how long it'll last. But the
betting markets went a little against Trump today, that is,
his odds declined a little bit, but they're essentially sixty
forty in his favor. And the really interesting signal that
we've seen is that in purple states, especially the blue

(14:56):
Wall states of Pennsylvania, Michigan, and and Wisconsin, Democrats are
running pro Trump material in their advertisements.

Speaker 6 (15:07):
Now.

Speaker 5 (15:07):
They want Harris to win, but they're running they're saying,
I can work in effect, I can work with Trump
on tariffs, I can work with Trump on energy, fracking
or whatever it is that's important in their stay. And
I think that they're seeing something in their internal polls.
The next thing will we should look for is whether

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those people are willing to campaign alongside Kamala Harris. None
of them are willing to campaign alongside Joe Biden.

Speaker 1 (15:39):
That's for sure. Charles is always great to chat with
you today. We always enjoy your insight. Thank you very
much for joining so much.

Speaker 5 (15:47):
I appreciate it too and enjoy chatting with you. It's
great to talk to the folks in Salt Lake City.

Speaker 1 (15:53):
All right, thank you, Charles Lipson joining us on our
newsmaker line right here on Utah's Talk Radio one oh
five nine k NRS. More coming up, boy. Reaction pouring
in from all around the country and from you interesting
sources today, Greg in reaction to this this article in
The Atlantic in which John Kelly, former chief of staff,
claims that you know, Donald Trump like Hitler and is

(16:16):
a fascist.

Speaker 2 (16:17):
Yeah, and I and and this is from John You've
you've mentioned John Daniel Davidson from from the Federalists.

Speaker 1 (16:24):
He'll be on the show a little bit later on
s matter of fact.

Speaker 2 (16:26):
Yeah, and and this is the so I I'm not
going to be here, and we broke it to the
audience ship that I won't. Yes, I don't even know.
Everyone knows. I'm so sad because this is all happening
in real time.

Speaker 1 (16:37):
You're going to do this big hoity towyy.

Speaker 2 (16:39):
No, not just but there's an event to Capitol that
I am going to attend. I can't be here at
the end of the show, and there's a lot going on,
and I just really want to talk to John David
Daniel Davidson. So you're gonna have to ask all these questions, Rod.
But he it puts out here that this Atlantic story
and these comments by John Kelly, Okay, he said, their
immediate a purpose. Their immediate purpose is to get the
corporate press and the Harris campaign to repeat the lie

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at the heart of these stories. You know that that
you know what he what Trump had supposedly said derogatory
about this service person who died in her family, which
is not true. No one in the room, everyone says
it's a lie. But also what John Kelly says about
him and likening him to Hitler. So they said, he
says mission accomplished. That's what everyone's talking about, including us

(17:21):
right now, we're talking about it, he says. But this
is the part I worry about, and this is why
I wanted to bring it up today. But the ultimate
purpose is to justify the rejection of a Trump electoral victory.
I don't know what that means, per se. I don't
know how they would do that means. I'm worried. I
don't want to say it, but I think they want
some foundation to reject an electoral victory. That's why she's
saying it in the capacity of her being vice president.

(17:44):
That's why you have Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of
Staff Milly saying he's one of the worst people in
the world. Fascist, he's in charge, he of the military.
Right now, I think they're trying to lay some kind
of groundwork. I think the only defense against this is
just such an overwhelming uh victory for Donald Trump in
the election that it would be very hard to put

(18:04):
this ruse up and put this kind of excuse up
if the people resoundingly look to elect him. By the way,
Mark Asper, former secretary, a Defense secretary and admit no
fan of President Trump, A big critic of Trump, he says,
and worked in the Trump administration. He says he has
never heard Trump say anything that John Kelly is claiming

(18:25):
he said.

Speaker 1 (18:27):
And remember he appears in one of the commercials for
Kamala Harris slamming Donald Trump. He's in one of those commercials,
that's right, and now he's defending I actually forgot that part.

Speaker 2 (18:35):
So he's not just he is a critic, and he's
saying not one single word that John Kelly is claiming
has he ever heard in his life. And this is
a guy that's been around and is not a fan
of Trump.

Speaker 1 (18:44):
Yeah, and is willing to appear in a Kamala Harris
ad against Donald Trump. Yes, along with John Bolton and others. Now,
there are a couple of points I wanted to make Gregg.
First of all, you have to look at the source
of this story. This is coming from The Atlantic, Okay,
a magazine Jeffrey Goldberg is known to fabricate or create stories.
All right, Ye who owns this else? I told you earlier.

(19:07):
The owner of The Atlantic is Steve Jobs's daughter, now,
Steve Jobs of Apple Fame, Right, A very very close
friend of one Kamala Harris.

Speaker 2 (19:18):
How close this is?

Speaker 1 (19:20):
How close she was one of the few people invited
to the Senate to watch Kamala Harris being sworn in
as a US senator.

Speaker 2 (19:29):
Yeah that close.

Speaker 1 (19:30):
Yeah, they're they're they're they're very very close. Another thing
to think about it about this on January sixth, who
will have to eventually certify.

Speaker 2 (19:38):
The Electoral College? The Vice president Kamala Harris?

Speaker 1 (19:42):
Right?

Speaker 2 (19:42):
Yep?

Speaker 1 (19:43):
Will Kamala Harris knowingly certified the electoral College if Donald
Trump wins, knowing that she claims he is a fascist?

Speaker 2 (19:53):
Yes, I mean, I'm not saying yes she will. I'm
saying that is a very good question to ask.

Speaker 1 (19:57):
That that is a question that does need to be asked, right.

Speaker 2 (20:00):
But how unbelievable And I guess we're just in that
word we're weird. Yeah, that there's nothing that they are
not willing to do that they haven't accused everyone else
of doing. But this was the big drama when Trump
wanted Pence to slow slow the roll, slow the certification.
There were questions in Arizona, there were questions in Georgia
and Fulton County, and they felt like these need to
be looked at before a certification held. And everyone was

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so appalled and said that that was the worst thing
that could have ever been asked. Tell me that they
aren't going to try and do this take that route.
But not because of election irregularities, but because he's a fascist.
Because you know, I've been sworn to uphold and defend
the Constitution of the United States, and I don't know
that him being president, I'm not upholding the Constitution if

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I allow him to be present, because he's that bad.

Speaker 1 (20:46):
You could make that case. You could see him and.

Speaker 2 (20:49):
The saddest, not saddest, but probably one of the sickest
parts about this is isn't this the very rhetoric that
we condemned not long ago when these assassination attempts took place,
That this reckless language, this this talk about this country
ending if he were elects, so draconian, so so so
hateful that it can take people that are crazy and

(21:10):
provoke and inspire them to commit violence. And we all
said I was. I was that night of the first
assassination attempt. I was on a news program, a local
news program, where we said, and I was talking to
a Democrat, I think that we need to there needs
to be a tamping down of the fascist word, and
we have to stop talking in such extreme tones. And
when I say we, I mean they, because honestly, I

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mean the things that that they say about him could
have someone who's deranged want to assassinate before they'd let
him be present, because they've been told that the whole
world ends if he gets this job. That's their that's
their closing argument, and their campaign is that that delusional speech.

Speaker 1 (21:49):
Remember remember at the beginning of this campaign, Greg what
the term they were using to describe Donald Trump convicted felon? Yeah,
do you know what's how that has fallen by the
wayside and now it's fascist. That's right, that's how they've
changed their tone.

Speaker 2 (22:02):
It's because they pulled it and everybody knows the fix
is in on these ridiculous charges. And they actually made
it more popular because he was so unfairly attacked.

Speaker 1 (22:10):
H here's some of the social media pouring in on
this story today. This is Benny Johnson, very popular podcaster.
We ran into him in Milwaukee when we were there
for the RNC. He says. The only unhinged person in
this whole story is Kamala Harris, who just ran to
the podium to spread a smear campaign after her polls
showed her crashing into the ground. Here's Robert F. Kennedy Junior.

(22:34):
This is the kind of inflammatory poison that divides our
nation and inspires assassins. It's particularly ironic since Biden Harris
have just pushed through a DoD directive giving the Pentagon
power for the first time in history to use lethal
force to kill Americans. And that interesting.

Speaker 2 (22:54):
And Trump's the one that we're all supposed to be
worried about.

Speaker 1 (22:57):
Yea, He's the fact. Oh, I want to play this somebody.
This is Bill Ackman now Bill Ackman, big billion dollar
investor on Wall Street Right, a Democrat, but has said
he is going to an or. He's endorsing Donald Trump
to be a president of the United States. He was
on CNBC Today, the Business Channel.

Speaker 2 (23:14):
He was a critic too. This is a guy that
was not on the Trump train four years ago or
even close.

Speaker 1 (23:19):
That's what he said about the story today.

Speaker 7 (23:20):
So one Trump's not four Hitler. Most of friend Trump's
friends are Jewish. He grew up in the New York
City real estate community. He's got a daughter who is Jewish,
He's got grandchildren of Jewish. He was probably the most
pro Israel president in terms of committing to do things
and actually executing on them. You know, he moving the embassy,
delivering the you know, control of the Golden Heights to Israel.

Speaker 1 (23:46):
I think it's absurd, Yeah, it is absurd. And you
forget Donald Trump has a daughter who converted to Judaism.

Speaker 2 (23:52):
He also should have won the Nobel Peace Prize for
the Abraham Accords that allowed for you know, planes of
flyover Arab nations. And he made more progress for peace
in the Middle East. And we'd seen in generations no
speech of it, no talk of it, no recognition of it.
But we're gonna we're gonna flip the script and call
him Hitler, right, that's what they're.

Speaker 1 (24:10):
Trying to do. That's for sure. Remember Donald Trump is
not a fascist. What he is is a threat to
the left's power. More coming up with the Rod and
Greg show right here on Utah's talk radio one oh
five nine K and our ass article in The Atlantic.
Two things are said in the Atlantic. First of all,
the quote disparaging remarks Donald Trump reportedly made about a

(24:32):
US soldier who was killed in Fort Hood down in Texas.
And the other story, of course, is that John Kelly,
his former chief of staff, claiming that he is a fascist.
As a matter of fact, he meets all the definitions
of being a fascist directed toward Donald Trump.

Speaker 2 (24:48):
Yeah, he didn't actually mention that after he resigned and
was at the White House and I just sitting with
him socially, just socially. We weren't having some policy discussion.
But boy, for a fascist, you were really happy to
be there for the Christ's celebration with your wife. Seemed
to be all festive when I saw him.

Speaker 1 (25:04):
The Trump campaign has responded today in a written statement.
Let me just summarize this real fast. It says Kamala
Harris is a stone cold loser who is increasingly desperate
because she is flailing and her campaign is in shambles.
That's why she continues to peddle outright lies and falsehoods
that are easily disproven. The fact is that Kamala's dangerous

(25:27):
rhetoric is directly to blame for the multiple assassination attempts
against Donald Trump.

Speaker 2 (25:32):
So let me pivot to something that the Harris campaign
doesn't want you to hear about today and doesn't want
to talk about, and that is her interview with Telemundo.
This is where she said that he asks her about deportation.
Let's hear what she has just twenty seconds. Let's hear
what she says, Eric.

Speaker 8 (25:49):
We're talking about mass deportations. I'm not talking about what
do you what's your stand there?

Speaker 3 (26:00):
We need smart, humane immigration policy in America that includes
a pathway to citizenship.

Speaker 2 (26:10):
Okay, there you go, there you go, So all the
people they've let in over the last four years just
get to know. This pathway to citizenship is what the
plan always was. And on Telemundo, that's what she's letting
on is the plan today?

Speaker 1 (26:23):
Are you starting to see her progressive ideas seeping out
that she's been trying to hide for so long? Talking about,
you know, citizenship, a pathway to citizenship for the ten
million people who were in this country yesterday it was
a yesterday two days ago, talking about no exemptions on abortions,
and that means if you're a hospital that is owned
by a religious organization, you cannot be exempt from performing abortions.

(26:47):
You have to perform them.

Speaker 8 (26:48):
That is right.

Speaker 1 (26:49):
Those progressive ideas, Greg, are starting to seep out in
the final days of this campaign.

Speaker 2 (26:54):
The legendary big tent of the Democrats isn't so big.
They're not getting along, not playing well together anymore. There's
starting to want to hear their positions back because they
don't trust her. They themselves done.

Speaker 1 (27:03):
They are all right. More coming up, Greg, you's got
to step out in here. I'll be with you right
up until seven o'clock. We'll talk more and get some
of your phone calls on all of this today that's
coming up. Greg has had to step out for an
event to honor former speakers of the Utah House taking
place tonight up at the Utah State Capitol. Of course,
Greg's serving two terms and Speaker of the House. He'll

(27:25):
be honored tonight along with the other former speakers, and
that's where he's headed up at the State Capitol right now.
So he's excused for the final two hours of the show.
But that doesn't mean we're not We're not going anywhere.
We'll be here until seven o'clock tonight talking to you
about the very important issues of the day. Of course,
the big story of the day is the attacks on
Donald Trump, yet again being called the fascist the Vice President.

(27:49):
Kamala Harris, in her role as vice president, not as
a candidate for the White House, stepped outside the official
Vice presidential residents in Washington today he took three minutes
to call Donald Trump a fascist, warning the American people
that if he is elected, the nation will be run
by a dictator in the form of Donald Trump. Now,

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one of the key demographics in this election is the
women vote, and what Kamala Harris and her campaign is
trying to do is scare women into voting for her
by sharing lies about Donald Trump. Well could or should women?
They don't have to vote for Kamala Harris. Why not?

(28:32):
Let's find out. Joining us on our newsmaker line right
now is Jennifer Gallardi. Jennifer is health and wellness writer
and speaker at Epoch Times, a health reporter there, Jennifer,
how are you welcome to the Routing Greg Show. Thanks
for joining us tonight.

Speaker 9 (28:45):
Hi, thank you so much for having me.

Speaker 1 (28:47):
Jennifer. What about women in this country and the desire
by the Harris campaign to convince them that they must
vote for her because she supports abortion without any exemption.

Speaker 9 (29:01):
Yeah, I mean that's really all they have, right, They
don't have any issues other than that for women to
get behind. They've ruined kind of the economy. The point
I always make though, is is abortion really women's rights?
Does it really support women? And I don't see how
it does, but they scream it, and they've convinced women

(29:24):
that the ability to kill your baby in the womb
is a natural right and it's healthcare. It's not healthcare.
The freedom and the empowerment of being a woman comes
with knowing your body, knowing our cycles, knowing our ups
and downs, knowing when we should and shouldn't have sex
to conceive, having that control over our body and kind

(29:46):
of the dominion of our own biology is really empowering.
And I made a point in one of the articles
that one of the most empowering tools that women have
is to decide which men they want to have a
baby with. If they know to certain men right say,
I actually don't think you're up to snuff to be
a husband and a father and a member of community,

(30:08):
of the community to raise our child in So if
women would actually embrace that power that they have, that
is where their empowerment comes from, not from killing a
child in the womb. And of course there's always going
to be the debate about rape and incest incests and
extenuating cir circumstances, But the fact is that there is
such a small portion of abortions that are performed for

(30:31):
those reasons that we shouldn't be structuring entire policy around it.

Speaker 4 (30:35):
Right.

Speaker 9 (30:36):
Part of the reasons I think, as an overall culture
were in a little bit of a downfall is because
of the attack on the family and and uh committed
relationships in a marriage that's a that's a man and
a woman for the purpose of procreation. I lived a
very long time in California. I got very sucked into

(30:58):
progressive values and woman power and the future is female
and had the stick around my computer and you know,
toxic masculinity. It's not helping anybody.

Speaker 1 (31:08):
Yeah, Jennifer, I would have to think that women have
a lot of concerns along with abortion on their plate.
I mean, in my family, you know, my wife runs
the family. So this big you know, takes care of
the finances, does all the grocery shopping. I mean, she
runs the family. Why don't we hear Kamala Harris talking
about those issues with women instead of just abortion.

Speaker 9 (31:31):
Because they're terrible on them. Democrats are terrible on them.

Speaker 10 (31:34):
They actually don't.

Speaker 9 (31:35):
They must, I mean for them to say we care
about women, Well, do you care about the three women?
I mean, there's been more than three, but three were
really in the news. The girl, the Georgia student that
was raped, you know, out for run in broad daylight.
The twelve year old I think Joscelyn her name was.
I mean, do you care about those girls? Do you
care about the women in Afghanistan that are now under

(31:57):
the Taliban rule because of your god awful execution of
getting out of Afghanistan? Do you just care about That's
the thing. It's like, how and then the implation and
the women that are struggling to take care of their families.
I mean, the economy affects women too. I posted on
k people can go see it like single cat ladies

(32:19):
for Trump and Vance because I don't want to go
to the store, Like I have to support myself too, right,
what about me? Like do I not count? So there's
just so many other issues that affect women then abortion,
but that is all they have, and they've convinced women
that this is healthcare, and I just think that is
the biggest fallacy of all during this campaign.

Speaker 1 (32:40):
What has impressed you about what Donald Trump is saying
to women voters right now? What has impressed you the most?

Speaker 9 (32:47):
I mean, I'm still living in Hollywood. I tend not
to get too impressed by anybody, you know, It's just
like whatever what I like or his policies. Again, I
may not like his presentation all the time, but there's
certain men for certain moments. I do believe he's one
of those men that there's not many people that could
tolerate everything that they've been throwing at him. So I

(33:08):
like his policies. I want the border shut. I want
these people to ported. I don't want any other women
having to die unnecessarily because of violence. I mean, the
trend de Aragua thing is despite what ABC said to
jd Vance, They're like, well, that's only that's just one instance,
and jd Vance is like, you hear yourself. You're saying
it's only one instance of a international crime organization coming

(33:30):
in and taking over. Like I think one is too many.
So I like the border policy, you know, the economy
that has so many different factors on it, but it
can't get any worse than it is, and he's got
to do something about that. And I look forward to
hopefully inflation and gas being down. But it really is
a protection of women. And I don't know that he's

(33:50):
even going to be the best on the nuclear family project,
you know, because he has waffled on the abortion thing,
and he does have a lot of evangelical Christians upset
about that. But to me, that is no reason to
stay home. You have to go out and vote for
the person that best aligned. You're never going to have
a perfect candidate. You're never going to have a morally

(34:13):
superior candidate. Like if you're looking to the government and
the president for your moral structure, your way off already.

Speaker 1 (34:21):
Jennifer always great to having me on the show. Thank
you very much for a few minutes of your time
today and we look forward to talking to you again.
Thanks Jennifer, thanks so much.

Speaker 9 (34:30):
Have a great night.

Speaker 1 (34:31):
All right on our newsmaker line. That is Jennifer Goilardie.
She has a health reporter with the Epoch Times. Right
here on the Rod and Greg Show and Utah's Talk
Radio one oh five nine k n RF. If you're
just joining us or if you haven't heard today, Kamala Harris,
in her capacity as Vice president, not as a candidate
for the White House, step outside the Vice presidential headquarters

(34:55):
there in Washington today and read a three minute statement
and the the statement was about Donald Trump being a fascist. Now,
there is an article in the Atlantic the New York
Times picking it up as well, claiming that of two things,
two issues, but one issue that is getting a lot
of attention today is that former Chief of Staff John

(35:16):
Kelly basically said that he has heard Donald Trump say
to him that he wished that Donald Trump wish he
had generals like Hitler who would do everything he said.
He also said that Donald Trump fit the description of
a fascist. Here's what the Vice President said today in

(35:36):
her statement outside the Vice Presidential headquarters.

Speaker 3 (35:39):
It is deeply troubling and incredibly dangerous that Donald Trump
would invoke Adolf Hitler, the man who is responsible for
the deaths of six million Jews and hundreds of thousands
of Americans. All of this is further evidence for the

(36:01):
American people of who Donald Trump really is. This is
a window and to who Donald Trump really is from
the people who know him best, from the people who
worked with him side by side in the Oval office
and in the situation room. And it is clear from
John Kelly's words that Donald Trump is someone who I

(36:23):
quote certainly falls into the general definition of fascists.

Speaker 1 (36:27):
Now, there have been a number of people today coming
out in defending the former president, including Mark Asper. Now
Mark Asper was at one time his Secretary of Defense.
Mark Hesper quit the administration, but today he is defending
Donald Trump. Said he's never heard the President use that
type of language when he's talking about his generals. And
as a matter of fact, remember Mark Hesper is one

(36:48):
of the former Trump staff members who appears in ads
for Kamala Harris attacking Donald Trump. But today he is
defending him. So what is the goal in all of this.
I mean, it certainly create fear among the American people.
That's what this campaign, the Harris campaign, is trying to
do right now, is to in fact create fear, create chaos.

(37:12):
As a matter of fact, John Daniel Davidson, who will
be on the show a little bit later on, said
the fear mongering isn't just about driving people to the
polls and voting for Kamala Harris. It is about creating
an atmosphere of rage and chaos. Now, Greg and I
when he was here earlier, we were talking about this,
what is behind all of this and what do you

(37:33):
think the Democrats are trying to set up? Here's what
I think may happen. I think Greg agrees with me
on this one. Is that if this is a very
close election, and all the polls indicate that it certainly
could be, and we get to January sixth, that is
the day where the Electoral College will be certified, Kamala Harris,

(37:56):
as Vice President of the United States will have to
certify the election and the electoral College. Okay, now, will
she do that if she claims her opponent, Donald Trump
is a fascist, like she said today, and if it
is a very close election, which I think a lot

(38:17):
of people are saying it will be again. Will she
do something to block it?

Speaker 9 (38:22):
Now?

Speaker 1 (38:23):
One Congressman Raskin has already come out. There are several
Democrats who say they will not certify, you know, Donald
Trump as President of the United States. They are not
going to do it. So do you have any fear
whatsoever about what the Democrats may do if, in fact,

(38:43):
Donald Trump wins thirteen days from today, because I do.
I just feel the Democrats will pull out all the stops.
They are so afraid of Donald Trump that they will
pull out all the stops to try and stop him
from becoming president of the United States. That is how
desperate I think they really are. They will do whatever

(39:06):
they can do to keep Donald Trump from getting back
into the White House. And as I said earlier, we
know that Donald Trump is not a fascist. He isn't
He is not a fascist, he is not a Nazi.
He does not love Hitler. We know that, right What
we do know, though, is that Donald Trump is a
threat to the left power, and right now they hold

(39:30):
all the power in the nation capital and really of
the federal government. And that's what Donald Trump is trying
to stop. That's why he has asked Elon Musk to
go in there and take a look at the size
of government and see if it can be reduced. I
think you would all agree that government is way too big.
The federal government is way too big, and do we

(39:50):
need all these departments and all these agencies and all
these policies. He's asked Elon Musk to get in there
and see what he can do. That is what scares him,
because if you shrink government, they will lose their power.
And that's the one thing the Democrats thrive on is power.
Their power, not the power of the American people. Their power,

(40:13):
and them the swamp directing everybody as to how they
should live their lives. So my question to you tonight,
I want to all pen up the phones to you
right now eight eight eight five seven eight zero one
zero triple eight five seven eight zero one zero. Are
on your cell phone dial pound two fifteen. Say hey, Rod,
and I asked you this question. How concerned are you that,

(40:36):
if in fact Donald Trump wins the election thirteen days
from today, that the Democrats will do everything in their power,
everything in their power. I don't know if they'll do
it violently but they'll use the system, the powers of Congress,
the judicial system to stop Donald Trump from becoming president.
Is that a fear that you have eight eight eight

(40:57):
five seven eight zero one zero, triple eight five eight
zero one zero, or on your cell phone, all you
do is have to dial pound two fifty and say, hey, Rod,
now if you're just joining us. The news of the
day is that Vice President Kamala Harris using a really
baseless hit piece published in the Atlantic to attack former
President Trump today for allegedly invoking Adolf Hitler and quoting

(41:22):
John Kelly, the former chief of staff for mister Trump,
for saying that he fits the description, according to John Kelly,
of a fascist Harris's public relations stunt. I think it's
indicative of the establishment media's alliance with the Harris campaign
and also trying to stoke fear and chaos among the

(41:42):
American people. Now, is there more to it than this?
Greg and I before he left today, we're talking about
this on the show a little bit earlier. You know,
what do you think the Democrats will do and how
concern are you about what they may do if in fact,
Donald Trump wins the election thirteen days from today, will

(42:03):
there be riding in the streets, you know. Now, remember
in January they have to certify the Electoral College and
it will be Kamala Harris who signs off on that.
And will she sign off on the election of Donald
Trump if in fact she believes he is a fascist
and she is turning over the power of the United

(42:23):
States to a fascist. What do you think they're up to?
And how concerned are you about this? If in fact
Donald Trump wins thirteen days from today, we can only
hope he will do that. But let's get to your
calls and see if you have the same concerns. Let's
go to the phones tonight. We begin in Salt Lake
City with Jamison. Jamison, how are you welcome to the
Rod and Greg Show.

Speaker 11 (42:45):
Hey, Rod, It's a pleasure to be on again. I
honestly at this point, I mean, it's quite simple to
answer your question. Between the frivolous lawsuits that he's endured
Donald Trum over the last couple of years to the
assassination attempts, it's not a far stretch to say that

(43:08):
they would attempt at anything at all costs. Really, I
mean to the comment she made about Hitler. Lest we
forget in history, Hitler was the man on his rise
to power who made sure that anybody who made him
look bad, including the psychologist that reviewed his psychological state

(43:32):
after World War One, he had killed. Sure they were
formulated to, but yeah, the brown Shirts were formulated to
go to college campuses and create unrest in horrible lack
of discourse, in good conversation. What do we see a

(43:52):
lot from the left today? We see exactly that. So
when we make the comment of oh, well, this is Hitler,
this is Hitler, you're only a exemplifying your complete lack
of knowledge and history.

Speaker 5 (44:04):
As well as.

Speaker 11 (44:06):
You know, your complete misunderstanding to the word fascism.

Speaker 1 (44:12):
That's true, That's true, Jamison. Thank you appreciate your phone call.
Let's go to Stephen Layton tonight here on The Rodden
Gregg Show. Hi, Steve, how are you.

Speaker 12 (44:21):
Pretty good?

Speaker 5 (44:22):
I got it all worried Jay?

Speaker 8 (44:24):
Why not?

Speaker 13 (44:26):
I think because I think Donald Trump's going to get
over three hundred and ten electoral votes. Yeah, and they
can't do anything to stop it.

Speaker 12 (44:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (44:37):
Well, and I appreciate that, Steve. I think if he
gets a big, big victory, they won't. But if it's
a close election, no telling what they may do. Let's
go to Brian in Bluffdale tonight here on the Rodden
Gregg Show. Brian, go ahead, what are your thoughts on this?

Speaker 10 (44:52):
Hey? Rod? You know this is a repeat of the
playbook that they did. It was twenty twenty two with
all the rioting and all the destruction that they caused. Uh,
that was when Kamala came out today. That was a warning.
That was a wake up pulp, a siren, a siren

(45:13):
call to the UH, to the people out there, Hey,
get on your horse and just go create all kinds
of problems. Now do you think, Jamie you're asking for
a moment, is not going to live up to his
promise that he will block the UH selection of or
the certification of Donald Trump, Not for a moment. No,

(45:34):
he's gonna He's going to fall right into that deal.
And uh, you know this is just typical Democrat bs
for lack of a better term.

Speaker 1 (45:46):
Yeah, you're exactly right. You're exactly right, Brian, Thank you
very much. And I'm not sure what the role is
of the House or the Senate certifies the Electoral College.
I'm not sure what he can do in the House.
Maybe someone out there has better knowledge of out how
it all works. But I think it really comes down
to the Senate. And that's why I say Kamala Harris
will still be vice president in January sixth. Jd Vance

(46:07):
will not become vice president until January twenty. All right,
more of your calls and comments coming up right here
on the Rod and Greg Show in Utah's Talk Radio
one oh five nine K and rs. If you're just
joining us now, we're taking your calls about any concern
that you may have as to what the Democrats may
do if, in fact, Donald Trump is the elected president
of the United States thirteen days from now, do you

(46:30):
think they'll do everything they can to try and stop
him from becoming the forty seventh president of the United States?
Eight eight eight five seven o eight zero one zero
eight eight eight five seven o eight zero one zero,
Or on your cell phone, I'll pound two to fifteen
and say, hey, Rod, back to the phones.

Speaker 14 (46:45):
We go.

Speaker 1 (46:45):
Last talk with Rob in Brigham City tonight here on
the Rodd and Gregg Show. Rob, how are you? Thanks
very much for joining.

Speaker 14 (46:50):
Us, doing very well. Rod, Thanks for taking my call.
I'm calling him because you ask if we're concerned and
I'm very concerned about her comments day and that I
don't think they'll get any anywhere, but I would like somebody,
and I was hoping Brett Bharr would ask this question
earlier in the week. Somebody needs to put Kamala Harris

(47:11):
on record saying because she supposedly believes in a peaceful
transition of power, right, and that being the case, somebody
needs to put her on record and ask her point blank,
if Trump wins the election, will she peacefully hand over
the power to him? Will she certify the election? And
that's somebody needs to put her on record it with

(47:33):
that answer, because if she says, well, I believe in
peaceful transition of power, then she's committed to doing that.

Speaker 1 (47:41):
I hope you know what, Robbie raise a good question,
because in the few interviews that she has done so far,
I don't think that question has been asked, has the
rob I haven't heard it.

Speaker 12 (47:54):
I haven't heard it, and I was hoping Brett Behar
would give it to her. And I was hoping anybody
from any media outline will ask her that question and
put her on record as to what she's going to do.

Speaker 1 (48:04):
Yeah, that will be interesting to see what she has
to say. And of course you're right the concerns today
that are being expressed. If you aren't aware of it today,
if you're just stepping into the car, haven't been able
to catch up on the news today. About mid morning today,
Kamala Harris, who for some reason again is not on
the campaign trail today. Apparently she's preparing for a town

(48:24):
hall meetiing and I believe it's on CNN tonight with
Anderson Cooper. But she stepped outside the official residency of
the Vice President's office and in a three minute speech,
basically warned the American people about Donald Trump and that
he is a fascist, that he likes generals like Hitler
controlled his generals, and that's what he wants to do.

(48:46):
This is all based on a report in the Atlantic
and The New York Times today which former chiefs of
Staff John Kelly talked about his conversations with Donald Trump,
in which Trump allegedly said that, you know, he wished
he had generals like Hitler who did everything Hitler told

(49:07):
them to do, and that based on his definition of
what a fascist is, Donald Trump, according to Kelly, fits
that description to a t. Now, since then, there's been
a lot of reaction to this is not the first time,
by the way, that Republicans have used the term Nazi
or fascists to describe Republicans. I mean, you can go

(49:29):
all the way back to George Bush's campaign in two
thousand and two thousand and four, Mitt Romney, John McCain.
They were all called Nazis or fascists. So this is new.
But what the Democrats are trying to do is again
with thirteen days to go before the election, they're trying
to scare the American people, and if you think about it,
they cannot win. On the issue of immigration, she has

(49:50):
not well. She has answered the question about what she'd do.
She would grant the ten million illegal aliens who are
in this country amnesty if she were elected president of
the n United States. She has absolutely no answer whatsoever
about what she will do about the economy and surging prices.
She's been able to handle that. She had said absolutely

(50:12):
nothing about what she would do in the Middle East
because she has no idea what she would do about
what is going on in the Middle East. And you
go down the list and she doesn't have an answer.
So what do Democrats do when they don't have answers,
they attack their opponents, and that's what she did today.
All right, when we come back, we'll have more on
that Atlantic article on the Geehan family and what happened

(50:35):
to their family and what Donald Trumpell said to them.
That's all coming up third hour the Rotting Gregg Show
on This wing Man Wednesday, right here on Utah's Talk
Radio one oh five to nine. Canna at stay with us.
More coming up a lot to get to this hour
here shortly, we'll be talking with John Daniel Davidson. We'll

(50:56):
be talking about people who ask questions about election results.
Are they in fact domestic vigilantes like our Lieutenant governor
has labeled them election deniers, or are they just Americans
asking very easy, simple questions. We'll talk about that, and
Liz Peak will join us later on in the show.
She'll talk about Donald Trump's closing argument to the American

(51:19):
people before the election thirteen days away from today. Now,
the big story today, of course, the Atlantic facing intense
scrutiny over a report alleging that former President Trump disparaged
a slain Mexican American Army private while he was in office,
with some involved with a story declaring it false and
a hit piece.

Speaker 4 (51:38):
Now.

Speaker 1 (51:39):
The Atlantic, by the way, is owned by the daughter
of Steve Jobs, founder of Apple, and also a very
close friend of Kamala Harris. Let's get to the bottom
of this story. Joining us on our Newsmaker line is
THEO Wold, former deputy assistant to President Trump and a
board member of the American Movement. THEO. How are you
and welcome to the Rod in Greg Show. Thanks for

(51:59):
joining us tonight, the Wow.

Speaker 8 (52:01):
Thanks for having me on Rod. It's good to be
with you.

Speaker 5 (52:03):
THEO.

Speaker 1 (52:03):
I know you've been digging into this story today. What
are some of the important key elements of the story
that people need to know about? THEO.

Speaker 8 (52:11):
Yeah, the essential thing that your listeners need to know
is that it's a lie. That's That's the main takeaway.
So I was there at the meeting that President Trump
had with the Gien family. I was a senior advisors
to the President for domestic policy for three years and
on this occasion I was wearing like so sort of
a unique hat. I was asked to translate for the
Gien family. If you remember Rod. At that time, the

(52:33):
President was dealing.

Speaker 4 (52:34):
With these series of leaks of.

Speaker 8 (52:36):
His private communications with other heads of state around the world,
and so the President wanted this conversation to be private,
had me come into the room to translate for missus
Gian and for his remarks back to her. We talked
for about twenty five minutes with the family, and the
president's tone is demeanor, and his investment in Vanessa Gien,

(52:59):
her family, especially her sisters Maira Gien and Lupe Gien,
who have both become advocates for major reform at the
Department of Defense. It was extraordinary. And I was just
talking to my wife about this the other day when
the story broke, and she said she still remembers what
I was like coming home from the White House that
day because it was an incredibly moving and memorable occasion.

(53:21):
And I'll tell you, Rod, really what sticks out to
me is that was when the president for me, was
really the most extraordinary because the narrative the left wants
to spend, especially this late hour in the campaign, is
that he's not capable of exercising the duties as commander
in chief, And for me, in that meeting, that was

(53:42):
your commander in chief. He was concerned about the Ghien family,
not only because they're American citizens, and they were getting
a rough go of things from the Department Defense and
the Department at the Army. But he was concerned about
Vanessa Gien because that was one of his soldiers. That
was one of his soldiers and wanted to know what
happened to her, and why don't we have answers?

Speaker 1 (54:02):
Bill, let me ask you did during this meeting? Did
you see a different side of Donald Trump? Maybe a
side that you'd never seen before?

Speaker 8 (54:11):
I I, you know, like I said, I had worked
for the President in the White House for three years
and this was one of those moments where I saw
a man who was deeply invested in the pain and
suffering of again, not just fellow citizens, but you know,
a working class family that had really no political patrons,
They had no connections, and the President gave them this

(54:32):
big portion of his schedule, kept it off of the
public record because he wanted it to be private. So
he wasn't looking for attention, He wasn't trying to show
vote off of a national's news story was these are
the forgotten men, men and women of America. That was
the thesis, right and it still is and I think
that you see that right now, Like you know, this evening,
George Conway tweeted out and said to Mayra Gehan, Vanessa

(54:56):
Gean's sister tweeted at her and said, this isn't about
your and if people like you would open your eyes,
you would realize it's really about the psychopath, you know,
Donald Trump, and I, you know, I really think Rod,
what your listeners should take away from this hit piece
from The Atlantic is it's the same story, different day.
The elites want to forget people like Vanessa Gann. They

(55:17):
want to forget all about the tragedy, the suffering of
the Gian family, and really the nastiness of what was
going on at that time because you know, look, one
interesting aspect of the story that's been completely buried in
memory hold if you will, is at that time there
were twenty five servicemen and women who either went missing
because the physical violence, rape, or suicide at Fort Hood.

(55:40):
So the president was in a position to say, hey,
we're going to shake things up here. What the heck
is going on at Fort Hood? And so look, the
elites want to forget about Vanessa gen because it's embarrassing
to some of their friends, some of the other higher
up muckety MUCKs in DC that they let this kind
of situation fester, and President Trump lanced the boil and said,

(56:02):
not only are we going to raise awareness of this
this this individual case, but I'm going to support legislation
to make sure this never happens again. And the I
stand with Vanessa Yen Act was pasted something that Democrats
have talked about for decades, that they were going to
get to the bottom of how the Department of Defense
investigates these kinds of cases, and Donald Trump made it happen.

Speaker 1 (56:20):
Seel, were you aware at all that this story in
fact maybe coming out And when it did come out
and the details of this story, how shocked were you?

Speaker 8 (56:30):
No, I had no idea that Jeff Goldberg was writing
this story, you know, I know, you know Chief of
Staff then Chief of Staff, Mark Meadows was contacted and
he was you know, his spokesperson filed a response that
was largely ignored by the Atlantic.

Speaker 11 (56:44):
And by Golden.

Speaker 5 (56:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (56:46):
When I saw the story, I mean, I came out
of work and I have maybe twenty five text messages
from former colleagues at the White House who were saying, phe,
you were there that day, this isn't true, right, And
you know this has got to be a lie. They're
making this up. And I said, yeah, definitively, definitely, because look,
you know, right, I was involved in a lot of

(57:06):
you know, heartbreaking, heart rending stories in my time in
the White House. I worked on the Parkland shooting and
with those you know, twenty two families in Parkland for months,
years and dealt with the grief and the suffering of
those who lost their children in that school shooting. At
the Santa Fe shooting in Texas, I saw a lot

(57:27):
of brokenness and human tragedy during my time in the
White House. This one stood out to me because again,
this young woman put on the uniform to protect her country,
and her family was honored. They really were honored by
the fact that she wore the uniform of the United
States and no one cared about where she went and

(57:50):
what happened to her until the President of the United
States said this is unacceptable. And the key detail for
me rather really angered me was it's just it's a
sort of a throwaway line in the Goldberg piece, but
he says, well, Trump did this in front of the cameras,
he brought the media in. So what happened at the
end of our twenty minute discussion there in the oval is.

(58:11):
The President turned to the family and to their counsel,
their lawyer, and he said, look, we can bring the
press in if you like, if it will help raise
awareness of what you're trying to do with this legislation,
and if it'll put pressure on DoD in the Department
of Army to give you answers, if that's.

Speaker 12 (58:30):
What you'd like.

Speaker 8 (58:30):
But I'll just tell you the press their vipers. They'll
manipulate things, they'll create a false narrative. So it's your choice.
And the family said, it will help us raise awareness
of what we're trying to do with this legislation, and
we want people to know what happened to our daughter,
to our sister.

Speaker 10 (58:47):
So the president that.

Speaker 8 (58:48):
Bring the president. This was not Donald Trump trying to
capitalize on a sensatialized news story, as Goldberg implied, This
was Donald Trump giving the power of the presidency to
everyday working Americans so they could talk about the tragedy
that they were suffering through again because their working class
daughter decided to put on the uniform to protect this country,

(59:09):
and the elites couldn't be bothered to figure out what
happened to her and you'll remember rot they finally did
do the search of Fort Hood, they found the remains
of another missing service you know, another Mexican American serviceman
who was on missing that no one bothered to go
looking for.

Speaker 1 (59:24):
Pretty amazing story and the real story from someone who
was there telling the truth about this story in The Atlantic. THEO,
thank you for your time, thanks for sharing that story,
and good luck to you in the future.

Speaker 5 (59:35):
Thank you, Yeah, I appreciate it.

Speaker 8 (59:36):
Thanks for having me on Ron.

Speaker 1 (59:37):
All right, joining us on our newsmaker line that Theo Wold.
THEO is a He is a former deputy Assistant to
the President of the United States, President Trump, and a
board member of the American Moment. More coming up on
the Rod and Greg Show right here on Utah's Talk
Radio one O five nine knrs. So we've got some
breaking news tonight. We shared with you yesterday that for

(59:59):
the first time I think in a number of years,
The La Times is not going to be endorsing any
candidate for the White House. Well tonight, billionaire Warren Buffett
has made it known that he won't be endorsing Kamala
Harris or Donald Trump. The ninety four year old CEO
of Berkshire, Hathway, who is worth an estimated one hundred
and forty six billion dollars, recently backed Democratic candidates, but

(01:00:22):
in a memo today release today said he wouldn't be
taking a stand on the election and any suggestion that
he would would be fraudulent, possible set back again for
Kamala Harris. All right, let's talk about election integrity, very
important issue in this upcoming campaign. Earlier today, Greg and
I had a chance to talk with John Daniel Davidson

(01:00:43):
about this. John Daniel, a guest on the show frequently
a senior correspondent at The Federalist, about questioning in election integrity,
and as we began our conversation with John, I asked him,
first of all, why when people question the results in
election they're called election deniers.

Speaker 4 (01:00:59):
Well, the real answer to that question is that they
don't want anyone looking under the hood of elections, especially
post COVID. You know, we had all of these changes
to the way we run elections during the COVID pandemic
in twenty twenty, and we were assured that it was
necessary for everybody's health and safety. And in the name

(01:01:20):
of health and safety, we basically threw all out through
all of our election security precautions out the window. We
stopped verifying people's addresses on absentee ballots, we stopped requiring
ballots to come in at a certain time. Some states
mailed out absentee ballots to every person on the voter rolls,

(01:01:44):
millions and millions of ballots just in the wind. They
authorized ballot harvesting, drive through ballot casting of ballots, all
kinds of crazy stuff that we'd never done before. And
anyone who questioned that was called an election denier or
a conspiracy theorist. And now you have outlets like the
Wall Street Journal implying that if you raise these questions,

(01:02:06):
you're basically a domestic terrorist. It's outrageous and we shouldn't
stand for it, you.

Speaker 2 (01:02:12):
Know, to personalize you, thank you for your article, because
you're exactly right. And there is this, well, look, we're
a red state. We have a governor who's Republican, a
lieutenant governor who is our state elections chief, a Republican.
They're on the ticket to that this year. They have
framed and many have framed those that have questions about transparency,
the chain of custody issues, that are still problematic or

(01:02:33):
at least not understood. Our Lieutenant governor has called them
domestic vigilantes, so she hasn't gone to the term terrorists,
but they're now domestic vigilantes, which then our local papers
pick up on and they try to shame you out
of asking these questions. We had a legislative loutit that
Lo and Behold showed there are issues. There are issues

(01:02:54):
in transparency, there's issues in the chain of custody that
need to be improved upon. I guess my question to
you is, when you write this, how do we overcome
this attempted stigma that you can't ask any questions that
you can't have a serious conversation about if the process
is transparent enough, or if we're comfortable with a mass
mailing of ballots without a chain of custody of who's

(01:03:16):
returning them.

Speaker 4 (01:03:18):
I think you've got to call them out for what
it is that they're trying to do. They're trying to
make our elections less secure and easier to rig. That's
what they're doing, and make no bones about it, that
is the purpose of all of this. Look absent tee ballots,
like mass mail in balloting is inherently less secure than

(01:03:41):
in person day of casting of ballots. That's just a fact.
And the reality is for most of modern American history,
for decades and decades now, the expectation was that everybody
voted in person on election day and the results were
were publicized and the election was decided on election day.

(01:04:05):
And look even now in the United States, large states
like Florida and Texas, even liberal states like California and
New York, they have their results in on election day.
How can California and New York and Texas and Florida
post their results on election day? But Wisconsin, which has
like half the number of people who even just live

(01:04:27):
in Los Angeles, can't post their election results on election day?

Speaker 10 (01:04:31):
How is that?

Speaker 4 (01:04:32):
So the question needs to be turned back on the
officials who are obscu skating and who are smearing those
who have questions about our election integrity and the administration
of our elections. They're the ones that need to answer
for why we have to have these grossly insecure elections
and these completely unacceptable delays. It should the burden of

(01:04:53):
proof should be on them, not.

Speaker 1 (01:04:55):
Us, John, And since all a smoke screen, as you
point out, by the Wall Street Journal. They're questions about
you know, election workers needed being protected and afraid to
even judge the election. But is this a smoke screen
on the part of the media to really not take
the time to look at the real problems that we
have with this election process in the country today. Is
it a smoke screen?

Speaker 4 (01:05:18):
I think it's it's partly a smoke screen, and it's
partly sort of a backhanded hit on Trump and his supporters, implying,
as the art as this article in question does repeatedly
that Trump supporters who question the results of the election,
or who have questions and concerns about our election integrity,
you know, our vigilantes, terrorists, election deniers. You know, when

(01:05:43):
you say someone is an election vigilante, that's code for
a violent person who is ready to take things into
their own hands. Right, It's totally reckless rhetoric that is
completely should have no place in our politics, especially when
it comes to something that everyone should, in theory agree on,

(01:06:04):
which is that we should have faith, secure and fair
elections that deliver timely results at the end of the
day on election day. That shouldn't be a controversial thing.
It's only controversial because there are people who want to
rig the elections because they know they can't win free
in fair elections, and that's what's happening here. We might

(01:06:25):
as well just say it. That's what's happening. Democrats don't
think they can win free in fair elections. That's why
they want millions and millions of absentee ballots in the
wind out there to be harvested.

Speaker 2 (01:06:35):
So John, you can add to the list of those
states that delay there is final canvassing. You can add
Utah to that list. It takes us two weeks from
election day to have a final canvassing, and it absolutely
doesn't need to be that way. When you point out
the large states, they can have final results by election night.
My question, I had a couple, but we were coming
to the end of that. I just want to ask
you this. I know there's more scrutiny today than there

(01:06:56):
was in twenty twenty. More certainly is more concern, but
there seems to be more scrutiny. The voter lists have
been looked at scrub Do we see the work that's
happened in Virginia with Governor Younkin and their voter lists,
notwithstanding the DoD trying to stop them from doing it.
Do you feel more confident in this election process in
twenty twenty four that we have less opportunities for fraud

(01:07:18):
than we had in twenty twenty.

Speaker 4 (01:07:21):
I think we do have less opportunities for fraud, which
is different than kind of rigging the election, because there's
a lot of ways to rig an election, but there
is I think less chance for fraud because we don't
have as many of the ridiculous COVID pandemic policies in
place where there were you know, states like Nevada were
just mailing out millions and millions of ballots into putting

(01:07:43):
them into the mail system, and we have these absurd
schemes like in Houston, Texas where they had drive through voting.
So we don't have as much of that. But I
still think there's plenty of reasons to be concerned at
about what some of these activist groups and nonprofits that
were up to no good in twenty twenty are up
to this time around again. And eternal vigilance is what

(01:08:05):
is required.

Speaker 1 (01:08:06):
Conversation between John Daniel Davison and Greg and I earlier
today about election integrity very important as we had to
vote thirteen days from today. More coming up right here
on the Rod and Greg Show and Talk Radio one
oh five nine kN rs Liz Peak, she is a
columnist at Fox News about Donald Trump's closing argument before
the election, but we asked her, Liz, always a great guest,

(01:08:29):
about her thoughts on what Kamala Harris did today. Here's
what she had to say.

Speaker 6 (01:08:33):
I think absolutely it is they're kind of reverting to
all the things that they think works for them, which
is basically bashing Trump.

Speaker 2 (01:08:42):
I think the problem is it doesn't.

Speaker 11 (01:08:43):
Work for them.

Speaker 6 (01:08:44):
What maybe worked for a while was his whole campaign
of joy boy. Could anything be less joyful than the
last few outings we had seen from Kamala Harris. Look,
all the polls have moved really decisively and very visibly
towards Trump in the last couple of weeks, even his
favorability rating. Nothing could be worse than for Kamala Harris

(01:09:09):
than to have Donald Trump out there cooking French fries,
teaming up at various rallies, of showing up at the
Al Smith dinner, all of which makes him likable, relatable,
and he's obviously having a good time, and so weirdly enough,
he has now in the midst of a campaign, a
joyful campaign. He is now the joyful warrior, and she

(01:09:32):
looks bitter and angry. And all the stories coming out
of Politico and Axios and so forth about all the infighting,
all of that really tells a story. And I think
the story is that this campaign is foundering. To me,
the most telling thing out there is you have three
Democrats trying to hold onto their seats senators, three Democratic senators,

(01:09:54):
and they're all running ads featuring their links, believe it
or not, to Donald tru How in the world does
that happen?

Speaker 11 (01:10:02):
Right?

Speaker 6 (01:10:03):
So, I mean that is the most telling thing of
all these are state in Philadelia. I mean, Pennsylvania is
obviously one of them where you know, I got to
tell you, I think Trump's winning in Pennsylvania. And you
know that is what Kamala Harris is responding to all this,
and you know who is going to be turned around

(01:10:27):
by this thing she did today? Brett Stevens in the
New York Times, who I disagree with most of the time,
wrote an article about if Democrats lose, if she loses,
let's talk about the reasons why, And mostly it's about
how they insult people. They insult Trump voters by linking
him to fascism and racism and so forth. So are

(01:10:50):
any of the people who voted for Trump in the
last two elections going to be won over by saying, Hey,
he's a fascist and so are you for supporting him.
I don't really think that works. Stevens had a whole
lot of other things that agree. You know, I agree
with that, the condescension from Democrats towards voters, all the
gas lighting pretending that Joe Biden is okay for three

(01:11:13):
and a half years until woops, turns out he actually isn't.
I mean, I just think they've really torched their relationship
with the American people, and I don't think it's working well.

Speaker 2 (01:11:22):
As I couldn't agree with you more. I mean the
poker they call it a tell. When someone does something
you can kind of tell what they're doing. Bob Casey
at the poker table, the Democrat cenator trying to get reelected.
His tell is he just showed you his cards. Okay,
His tell is he showed you he's not winning. He's
not winning, and now he's putting the image of Donald Trump,
who he voted in peach twice on his campaign ads.
I'm with him. I'm with Donald Trump. I agree with him.

(01:11:44):
There couldn't be any bigger tell about the state of
Pennsylvania right now in the Harris campaign. Here's what's got
me really worried. And I just need you to walk
me away from this, Cliff. Why in the world did
Kamala Harris do this in her official capacity as president
vice president of the United States in terms of her
talking about what Kelly said about Trump being fascist like

(01:12:06):
or a fascist? And is there something deeper going on here?
I mean, why that's not a campaign that's not done
in a campaign stop a campaign comment that has done
in the with the mantle of She's the vice president
of the United States. She's got the seal under her.
You've already got in Bob Woodward's Woodwards book mark Milly

(01:12:26):
the Joint Chiefs of Staff chairman, saying that he thinks
that that Trump is fascist to the core. Is there
something horrible here, something that they would intervene or try
to do officially with Donald Trump as a candidate as
they're presenting their case officially, not in a campaign.

Speaker 6 (01:12:42):
Wow, that's an interesting conjecture. I don't think so, because
I just don't think you can do that to half
the country. And that's kind of what he's got behind
him right now. I thought it was because, you know,
is this a violation of the Hatch Act? Standing in
the outside the resident making obviously a very political comment.

(01:13:03):
Maybe I think at this point she just doesn't care.
She just wants to say whatever she can say. But
I also thought she has been so diminished by this campaign,
all of these ridiculous interviews she's done, where she's laughing
hysterically and issuing all these nonsensical questions. She looks like
somebody you kind of met at the bus stop. I mean,

(01:13:25):
she is the vice president, right, I mean, and I
think maybe it was her effort to kind of reassert
her authority and her presence by looking official, because you know, otherwise, honestly,
she's the most undistinguished person running for president I've ever seen.

Speaker 1 (01:13:44):
Yeah, pretty amazing those Liz. What do you make of
the fact is she you know, she she apparently had
to prepare yesterday for a couple of interviews she did yesterday.
She's preparing today for another town hall. But she's not
out on the campaign trail. What's up with that?

Speaker 6 (01:13:59):
I don't know, I don't know. I mean, it's not
like she's it's not like she's behaving like the president.
I mean, it's not like she's running the country. I
don't know who's running the country. I'm pretty sure it's
not Kamala Harris. But I mean that seriously. I get
her daily briefs and stuff. I see nothing that would
really prevent her from being on the campaign trail. You know,

(01:14:22):
maybe she's angry, maybe she's kind of sulking.

Speaker 10 (01:14:25):
I don't know.

Speaker 6 (01:14:27):
I think that she's gotten terrible advice, terrible advice in
terms of what interviews she's done, which one she hasn't done.
I imagine it's a little bit like Hillary Clinton, who
really thought she had the thing in the bag and
then just went completely berserque when she lost. I think
Kamala Harris knows and she doesn't know what to do
about it.

Speaker 1 (01:14:47):
Well, maybe she needs her fourth cup of fourth class
of wine for the day.

Speaker 6 (01:14:51):
Well, I mean, I wasn't going to go there on Twitter.
I mean, you do kind of wonder. You know, she's
bizarre looking. I mean, she really looks like she's under
the influence of something.

Speaker 8 (01:15:05):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:15:07):
I mean, you know, I leave it there.

Speaker 6 (01:15:08):
So I thought.

Speaker 1 (01:15:10):
That one out.

Speaker 2 (01:15:11):
So you are such an opinion leader, and you are
a thought leader, and so you can spot stuff out there.
If she spent all this time preparing for the NBC interview,
it did not go very well. I mean, I think
there's more clips of that the other side, Trump's campaign
and others would use from that interview than she would
having done the interview. So I think if the worry

(01:15:32):
is you can't run on just you hate Trump, you're
afraid of Trump, and you have to be someone or
be someone to vote for. Do you think there is
any chance that the more she speaks and the more
interviews she does, after a billion dollars of ads and
NBC's most recent interview, will she turn the corner? Will
this because there's clearly a trajectory going Trump's way, But
no matter if you're a Republican or Democrat, we know

(01:15:54):
the trajectory is going his way. Can she turn this
around by talking more?

Speaker 6 (01:16:00):
I think the evidence is pretty solid that the more
people see of her, the less they like her. That
was certainly the case in the twenty nineteen presidential primary campaign.
The more they saw Kamala, the less they liked her,
and she just plummeted. And really, what's remarkable to me
is so finally they pushed her. You know, her campaign,
let's face it kind of started well, you know, she

(01:16:22):
had all this jumping around looking joyful and everything, and
then the debate. I think she won the debate. I
don't think it was a good debate for Trump. And
then it plateaued because there was no substance. There was
no real serious architecture to her campaign, no policies, everything,
all everything else. So then they pushed her into doing
these interviews and awesome, That's when things started to go

(01:16:43):
south because her unfavorables began to go up.

Speaker 2 (01:16:46):
Trump's favorables.

Speaker 6 (01:16:48):
I'm sorry, Yeah, unfavorables were going up, his guard going down.
And now, I mean, who would have funk it?

Speaker 4 (01:16:54):
Right?

Speaker 6 (01:16:54):
He's always in life for policy, but his favorable unfavorables
have never been very good because a lot of people
don't like his personality. Well, that's Turlette totally turned around.

Speaker 1 (01:17:04):
Liz Speak a contributor on Fox News, joining us on
the Rod and Greg Show, talking about the case of
Kamala Harris for attack on Donald Trump today and a
result of the article in the Atlantic and in the
New York Times. All right, more coming up here on
The Rodden Greg Show in Utah's Talk Radio one oh
five nine kN RS. Tune in for election night coverage.

(01:17:26):
We'll pick up with the iHeartMedia national coverage at six
pm on election Day and Greg and I will take
over when the polls close here in Utah at eight
pm to get the results in. Abby will be here
feeding you all the numbers, and Greg and I will
be talking to the winners and maybe some of the
losers on election night, and of course a big night
in the race for the White House. We'll have to

(01:17:47):
see how America votes on that very important election that's
coming up on November fifth. So Rodd and Gregg's Minute
to win Him on Monday evening, November fourth, and then
complete election coverage all starting at six pm on Tuesday,
November fifth, right here on Talk Radio one oh five nine.
Can arrest That does it for us? Tonight, Head up,

(01:18:08):
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