The Rod and Greg Show: Utah Gubernatorial Candidates, One GOP and One Democrat, Team Up vs. Governor Cox

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome everyone to the Rod and Greg Show with your host,
Citizen Greg Hughes. Rod. This is his last day. I
hope he's enjoying it. You know, he sent me ladies
and gentlemen. I shouldn't tell too much about his fun vacations,
but he will have to mention and I will pull
it out of him on Monday, the large green tortoises
that he sent me pictures of which were quite amazing. Anyway,

(00:22):
he is absolutely enjoying himself as he should. He will
be joining me and we'll be back in this command center,
in this NASA like board on Monday, and we'll be
running full speed to the end of the election. But
today is Friday, and we've got a lot to still cover.
There's a lot happening this week. While Rod plays. You know,
we still are working away here. You're still listening, and
we're still trying to figure out what's going on in

(00:44):
this general election season that we're in a couple things.
I will get to those Rasmus and poll numbers that
you need to hear, and just still be ready for
next week's Democrat National Convention, where there'll be some kind
of bump a lot of people in these polls say
that they still don't know who she is. Thankfully, Vice
President Kamala Harris is helping us out in that endeavor
by her announcements today on what she's going to do

(01:09):
about the high cost of groceries. Guess what, did you
know that groceries have gone up? Did you know the
eggs are one hundred percent higher today than they were
when she took office? Did you know that bacon's up
twenty percent, breads up thirty percent, chicken's up a twenty
five percent, coffee thirty four, thirty seven percent, milk fifteen percent.
She it's like she just figured this out, and she

(01:30):
had a press conference today to lament these rising prices,
of which she has now been on the job one
thy three hundred and four days. So everything she promises,
she's had plenty of time to address. And we're going
to even play some clips where she was a year
ago telling you that you had you were just enjoying

(01:51):
the best of times. None of these prices must have
been registering to her about a year ago or even less,
because she thought that the times were as good as
they've ever been. Bidenomics it was working and is working.
She'll even say it today, and she even says it
today when she announces her price fixing scheme for groceries.
She's going to tell you that things are still good.

(02:12):
Remember the story where if you didn't think that the
times were good and that Bidenomics were working, then you
suffered from money dysmorphia.

Speaker 2 (02:20):
You remember that. Well.

Speaker 1 (02:22):
I think they realized that that's not a very strong
and compelling argument in campaign season. It's condescending, it's elitist,
and that's just not playing well in the elections.

Speaker 2 (02:33):
Go figure.

Speaker 1 (02:34):
So we're going to get into some of that here
in the program today, especially in this first hour, because
again she has she's not been very high information as
a candidate. She's not one to sit down with anyone
or interview. But she did come out today with some
policy positions, not just on groceries, but she's got some
ideas on housing as well, and you can depend all
of them have to do with government, government spending, government control.

(02:57):
That's just how she rolls. At least she's staying in
a line, actually honest in her approach and not pretending
like she is about a freedom and everything else using
the words she thinks will convince Republicans and independence to
vote for her. At least she's being honest about her
government controls everything and will make your life better. Just
put me in charge approach. I think that's good. In

(03:19):
the same hour, we're also going to talk to Jason Isaac.
This is a very interesting discussion we're going to have.
I did not know this was going on, and frankly,
you know, it makes sense to me. But we always
joke about the talking points the memos that the left
somehow amazingly gets out to everybody involved, or they're all
on the same page, they all know what's going on. Well,
we're going to have Jason Isaac on the program. He's

(03:41):
the founder and CEO of American Energy Institute, and he
has just put out a really enlightening report called Climate
Judiciary Project and Doctrination. It's sad, but apparently we've had
these higher ed leftists that have been training up, coaching,

(04:02):
educating air quotes, educating judges on issues regarding land and
climate so that they will rule in their judicial rulings
for and on behalf of the climate control cultists as
I call them, and others do. Of course, of course
there's something like this going on. Of course there's an
organization out there supposedly educating all these folks. We're going

(04:26):
to get down to it. We're going to find out
all the details of this because you should know it.
And along the Wasatch Front, we don't see these federal
lands just in our literally in our backyard. But we've
had on Washington County commissioners, We've had rural commissioners, Kane County,
and you name it that have talked about the aggression
of the federal government and the lands and how much

(04:47):
of the land federal government controls in the state of
Utah and how that impacts every day Utah's lives. So
these judicial decisions are impacting our state. And look, if
we don't want this Wastatch Front to keep, I mean,
I don't know how much many more people you can
fit in here. I think we're pretty full as far
as four counties and a valley of what Utah County,
Salt Lake County, Davis and Weber. I mean, I just

(05:10):
don't know how you shoehorn it anymore. So the rest
of our counties, which have ironically seen population decrease, need
to grow. There are kids that grow up there need
to stay and be able to find jobs and raise
families in these rural communities. Well, you can't do it
when the government. Federal government is running ninety eighty to
ninety percent of the land, won't let you put in
the infrastructure across it. These judges are a problem and

(05:32):
they are keeping Utah for me able to grow population
wise responsibly. And so we'll get into that. So right now,
let me just play this for you. I want some
foundational premise with today's announcement with Kamala Harris. She is
again I've seen the light, folks. She thinks groceries just

(05:53):
cost way, way too much. And I'm going to I'm
going to play a clip here that I can find.
I'm going to play the clip first because this is
where she wants to talk about gauging, which is price controls.
I'm going to go here and let you listen to
something she said. This is today in her grand announcement
of some policy positions first out the gate. So pay

(06:14):
close attention to what these are. Let's not forget them
in case they don't pull well and she wants to
run away from them. This is what she said today
related to your grocery costs.

Speaker 3 (06:25):
When I am elected President. I will make it a
top priority to bring down cost and increase economic security
for all Americans. As President, I will take on the
high costs that matter most to most Americans, like the
cost of food. We all know that prices went up

(06:49):
during the pandemic when the supply chains shut down and failed.
But our supply chains have now improved.

Speaker 4 (06:59):
And prices is too high.

Speaker 3 (07:02):
A loaf of bread costs fifty percent more today than
it did before the pandemic. Ground beef is up almost
fifty percent. Many of the big food companies are seeing
their highest profits in two decades, and while many grocery

(07:23):
chains pass along these savings, others still aren't. Look, I
know most businesses are creating jobs, contributing to our economy
and playing by the rules. But some are not. And
that's just not right, and we need to take action

(07:44):
when that is the case.

Speaker 1 (07:46):
Well, Vice President Kamala Harris, if you want to take
action again. We are in day one, three and four
of your administration and this is just dawning on you now.
The problem is she's telling people, she's telling you and
me that this is all. This isn't because they're printing
money at a record pace, and that you're deficit spending,
and that the value of the dollar is just plummeting. No, no, no,

(08:09):
this is greed. This is corporate greed. Almost fifty years ago,
the date September twenty third, nineteen seventy four, Milton Freeman Friedman,
one of the greatest economists, I mean, just legendary. He
talks about inflation almost fifty years ago. Because these leftist
tales of greed being the reason why you see inflation.

(08:30):
It's an old, overused excuse and it fundamentally is not true.
But don't take it, Mitch, don't take my word for it.
Let's listen to Milton Freeman from September twenty third, nineteen
seventy four, nearly fifty years ago.

Speaker 5 (08:42):
In the modern era, the important next step is to
recognize that today governments control the quantity of money, so
that as a result, inflation in the United States is
made in Washington and nowhere else.

Speaker 6 (09:01):
Of course, no government, any more.

Speaker 5 (09:04):
Than any one of us, likes to take responsibility for
bad things. Where all of us human. If something bad happens,
it wasn't our faults. And the government is the same way,
so it doesn't accept responsibility for inflation. If you listen
to people in Washington talk, they will tell you that
inflation is produced by greedy businessmen.

Speaker 1 (09:28):
Yeah, and you know what, it didn't It didn't fly
back then fifty years ago because it wasn't true. It
was the monetary policy of governments. And it's the same
same exact story today what they decide to do with
the Inflation Reduction Act of what she was the deciding
vote fifty to fifty in out the Senate. She is
Vice President casting that deciding vote. That's why we have

(09:49):
these groceries, these grocery prices as high as we do,
and her price fixing and setting prices as a government
is going to make things a lot worse. And we're
going to show you how and why. But when we
come back from this break, this is where we're going
to talk to, as I mentioned, Jason Isaac from the
American Energy Institute, about this climate judiciary project that doctrinates

(10:11):
our judges sadly. So you want to hang on for that.
You're listening to The Rodden Gregg Show with your hosts
Citizen Hughes here on Talk Radio one oh five nine,
canter Us joining us on the program and as I
mentioned in the first segment, this is an issue that
hits Utah right between the eyes. I mean, we have
so much federal land, we have so much, so many
issues that we face really do relate to the federal lands.

(10:34):
Over sixty five percent of the land in Utah is
controlled by the federal government and they don't play nice
and they never learned how to share. And it's in
these judges seem to play off the same playbook as
I've always worried. Well, here to shed some light on
why that is the case and why we see what
we do with this zavisarial federal government is Jason Isaac.

(10:54):
He's the founder and CEO of American Energy Institute. You
have unearthed. Thank first off, thank you for joining us
on the show. Mister Isaac.

Speaker 7 (11:03):
It's great to be on. It was just in Utah
just yesterday. Just got back to Texas. I was there
for a couple of days at the American.

Speaker 2 (11:09):
Coal Council conference. Is nice.

Speaker 7 (11:12):
Well, you've got you've got a lot of people there in.

Speaker 8 (11:13):
Utah that are producing a lot of energy and keeping
the lights on, not only for people in Utah, but
you know, making sure that you've got affordable reliable electricity
and just fantastic to spend some time with them over
a few days.

Speaker 1 (11:24):
Well, then you have that empathy and you've seen firsthand
that we if they, if we can get this federal
government out of our way. We've got clean coal, we've
got high BTU low uh you know, high burning and
uh low polluting coal coal. But the federal government has
other ideas. You have uncovered it. I I this in
your report in the American Energy Institute. You unveil an

(11:47):
what's what's the project called the Climate Judiciary Project. It's
it's horrible. I've already read it, but maybe you could
share with the listeners what in the world is going
on here?

Speaker 8 (11:57):
Oh?

Speaker 7 (11:57):
Yeah, You've got a nonprofit in DC, the Environment, a
law institute. In the last decade, they created this Climate
Judiciary Project, you know, and really it was about the
intent was development of a body of law that supports
climate action. What about a body of law that supports
the rule of law. No, they want to support climate action,

(12:19):
and they've gone out and they've said, you know what,
We're going to go out in and doctrinate and we're
going to taint judges before they even hear these cases. There,
and they're funded by the same people that are funding
the cases for the plaintiffs, which are a lot of
cities like Honolulu, suing energy companies, San Mateo, California. These
these law firms that are representing these cities and suing

(12:41):
energy companies are funding these training modules and using some
of the same people that are involved in the cases
to educate judges so that they can really rig the
game before the case even begins.

Speaker 1 (12:56):
And here's here's my confusion. We see this in the
space of education, where you have teachers that go back
to school for degrees or certificates. It contributes to their wage,
their income, and so they're going back to higher ed
to get these things. What would motivate the judiciary to
participate in these so called seminars that are basically indoctrinating

(13:18):
them for a climate agenda. Why would judges even be
motivated to engage in this.

Speaker 7 (13:24):
Well, in some cases they have them in pretty posh places.
You know, they've done over forty four training events, trained
over two thousand judges. And I'm sure they have to
get some cls the continuing legal education requirements, and so
they're qualifying for that. And I've actually you know, as
a former legislator in the state of Texas, have spoken

(13:45):
at legal events where attorneys get continuing education units.

Speaker 2 (13:49):
Yes, but it's all public.

Speaker 7 (13:51):
Everybody can find out who's the speaker at this event
where they're getting continuing education, what's he talking about, what
are the issues They can come and attend. It's fully
trans Parents of voters know. And in most cases it's
not even judges that are there, but in this particular
case they have some judge only events. One of the
biggest alarming things is there's the Federal Judicial Research Center,

(14:15):
who's chaired by Chief Justice John Roberts. They've partnered with
the Climate Judiciary Project on prior events, giving them what
looks like a stamp of a seal of approval. And
this is where we've developed one of our calls to
action is to let Congress know that they need to
completely the Federal Judicial Research Center needs to completely disassociate

(14:37):
with the Climate Judiciary product because they are not. They're
incredibly biased, and they're very partisan, just again trying to
rig the outcome of these cases before they come to court.

Speaker 1 (14:49):
Well, I think you preempted my next question, so I'm
going to I was going to say, show me the list,
show me the sign up sheet for these seminars of
these judges. I want to see which judges in ut
are going to the thing. But are you saying that
these these events that doesn't have transparency and we'll never
know which judges are going down these things, That's correct.

Speaker 7 (15:10):
I anticipate there will be some open records requests that
come out of this that want to know how these
judges are getting their continuing legal education credits, where they're
getting them from, which organizations, and so we may see
some of that come to light. But we know one
specific example, one of the biggest climate lawsuits is happening
in Hawaii. Chief Justice the Supreme Court of Hawaii is

(15:31):
overseeing that case and he has embraced, endorsed, and participated
in environmental law institutes, climate judiciary project events and refuses
to recuse himself from this case.

Speaker 1 (15:46):
We're speaking with Jason Isaac. He's the founder and CEO
of American Energy Institute, sharing with us the news that
there is a climate judiciary project that brings judges in
with no transparency and begins to I'll say it and
doctrinate them on on a climate agenda. UH that that
scenario with the Supreme Court, State, Supreme Court Justice, and

(16:07):
Hawaii just depresses me. Now here's where our listeners are
going to get a little disoriented. We've been hearing from
the left, hearing from Schumer, and hearing from how much
they don't like the judiciary, especially the Supreme Court. Right,
the judiciary is just out of control and they're they're
just slamming the Supreme Court. But you but you'd think

(16:28):
that they wouldn't be so pronounced about that if they're
they're holding all these uh, these these functions. What gives
where the Democrats are looking to change this to the
Supreme Court. They're attacking the judiciary, but on the other
side of the coin, they're they're holding the hand of
the judiciary trying to push decisions their way.

Speaker 7 (16:47):
Yeah, this is where their hipocrisy knows no bounds. You know,
they live a high carbon lifestyle like you and I
do too, but they don't want anybody else to do it.
You know, it's truly in those places that live get
to live high carbon lifestyles. We have you know, Environmental Court.
We're world leaders in clean air in this country. We're
number one when it comes to access to clean and
safe drinking water. You think we'd want to have courts
that have integrity, and so they're asking for all these

(17:10):
reforms to the Supreme Court regarding ethics and disclosures. You
would think that they would want that for the state
courts as well, and for other federal courts. But I
guarantee that when they realize that, hey, look at what
they're doing behind the scenes to taint the judge pool,
they might step back a little bit and say, oh, no, no, no,
this is just for the Supreme Court because they've come.

Speaker 9 (17:30):
Out with some rulings I disagree with recently.

Speaker 1 (17:33):
It's all about them, them winning that at the end
of the day, they're good or bad based on what
they get and what they want. That's right, Jason Isaac,
thank you for joining us on this program. And again,
the only antiseptic icee for this is transparency, daylight. Just
keep what you're keep doing what you're doing, and let's
make sure people know that we've got this type of
indoctrination of judges going on. Thank you for joining us

(17:54):
on the program.

Speaker 7 (17:56):
Great to be on, Thanks for having me.

Speaker 10 (17:58):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (17:58):
When we come back, folks, we're going to talk more
about Kamala's big economic policy announcements. She's she had a
couple today. We went over a little bit before, and
we're gonna go over more when we come back after
this break. You're listening to the Roden greg Show and
Citizen Hughes here on Talk Radio one oh five nine.

Speaker 9 (18:15):
Canter us.

Speaker 1 (18:16):
Let's keep going. I wanted to say I meant to
say this really at the beginning of the show, and
I forgot, and I had a great listener and former
colleague remind me former State Senator Karen Mayne has passed
away and I she had cancer, and she was such
a She's a Democrat, was the minority leader in the Senate.
It's such a great person, strong, strong willed. She subscribed

(18:41):
like her husband, Eddie Maine, who also I served with
as a state senator. He was senator and he passed away,
and then Karen, his wife, took that, you know, won
that seat and continued to serve. You know, they've always
been for a West Valley seat, always representing the working class.
They subscribed, both Ed and Karen to the I'd stab
you in the chat, but not the back. And in politics.

(19:02):
I got to tell you that's a that's a rare
equality to be stabbed in the chest and not the back.
So there have been issues where we did not agree,
certainly didn't agree. But Karen Mayne, I remember once when
I was majority of what she grabbed me by the
back of the neck. As I was sitting there. I
didn't see her coming because I was I was holding
a bill that she was expecting to hear herd on
the floor and I didn't like the bill, and I

(19:22):
could feel her hand around my neck and she's going,
what is your deal?

Speaker 10 (19:26):
Anyway?

Speaker 1 (19:27):
Those are those are bonding moments with colleagues and with
even if you're on not on the same side of
the aisle. You're fighting, especially in state legislatures in Utah
on you know, for for good causes. You're fighting for
the little guy and gal and love loved the death
Karen Mayne, and I'm sorry to hear that she has
passed today. She's joined her husband Ed Main and they

(19:47):
are birds of a feather, both strength of will and
and characters. So I God bless her and condolences to
her family. Okay, let's go in this segment. I want
you to to hear. Also, let me play this Friedman
on the economy. Again, this is from now. Look, this
is a fifty year old archived recording, so you have

(20:07):
to listen closely because I've heard that there's a little
bit of of a feedback on here or something. But
you cannot miss what economist Milton Friedman says about the
source of inflation because it literally applies fifty years later
to this very day in what Kamala Harris talked about
in terms of inflation and costs. Let's listen to it
one more time.

Speaker 5 (20:27):
In the modern era. The important next step is to
recognize that today governments control the quantity of money, so
that as a result, inflation in the United States is
made in Washington and nowhere else. Of course, no government,

(20:49):
any more than any one of us, likes to take
responsibility for bad things, where all of us human. If
something bad happens, it wasn't our faults. Government is the
same way, so it doesn't accept responsibility for inflation. If
you listen to people in Washington talk, they will tell
you that inflation is produced by greedy businessmen.

Speaker 1 (21:14):
Yeah, so if it's coming not with them and clear government.
Inflation is created by government and no one else. Nobody
else gets to print money. It is a It is
the decision of the government to print more in depths
that spend that devalues the dollar. And that is what's
happening today, and that is what we've been living through
over the last four years, uh one, three and four

(21:36):
days to be precise. And Kamala Harris is now trying
to say that she she sees the light, she's she's
going to change all this well. In the same breath
that she's telling you that that you know, we got
to hold these get groceries under control and we got
to start creating price controls, she also can't help but
say that she still thinks that that Biden in the

(21:58):
economy are doing well. So she's again not a very
consistent message, but hear her out.

Speaker 3 (22:05):
We have created sixteen million new jobs. We've made historic
investments in infrastructure, in ships, manufacturing, and clean energy, and
new numbers this week alone show that inflation is down
under three percent.

Speaker 1 (22:23):
Inflation's not down under three percent. It grew two point nine,
which just means if you were gaining weight like inflation
is every year. Every quarter you see these inflation numbers,
it means you just grew it two point nine. Nothing
came down, nothing goes is coming down. But she doesn't.
I honestly don't think she's misleading anyone there. I think
she fundamentally doesn't understand inflation because she thinks that there

(22:45):
are all these job numbers. By the way, you know,
what is the majority of jobs being created right now
by government? That's not again, that's not helping this economy,
and that's not helping you or me by way of
price gouging or price gag as she calls it, or
price fixing as we call it. Let's just tap into

(23:05):
and be a fly on the wall at CNN. Let's
see how CNN is digesting this new news of this
new policy, economic policy of price fixing your groceries.

Speaker 2 (23:16):
Let's have a listen.

Speaker 11 (23:17):
We've seen this kind of thing tried in lots of
other countries before Venezuela, Argentina, the Soviet Union.

Speaker 12 (23:24):
Et cetera.

Speaker 11 (23:25):
It leads to shortages, it leads to black markets, you know,
plenty of uncertainty. And beyond that, the specific way this
bill is written might actually increase prices because of some
of the other language in it, things like requiring companies
public companies to disclose in their quarterly reports, their quarterly

(23:48):
earnings reports, how they're setting prices, which is a great
way to help them collude, which normally we don't want
them to do so anyway, you know, the devil's in
the details. I guess for that bill, but it's really
hard for me to imagine any form of legislation that
preserves the spirit of what she's proposing that would not
be at best do nothing, at worse cause a lot

(24:11):
of harm.

Speaker 1 (24:12):
And that is from her Amen corner CNN. They cannot
get their heads around this. I will bet you, I
will wager that this crazy idea doesn't even make it
into next week's national convention Democrat national Convention, because it
just doesn't have a single soul who can see any
logic in what she's proposing right now and what she
would do to the cost of groceries if she had

(24:34):
it her way. Look, so when we come back from
this break, I want to get into that housing. We
haven't even talked about the housing idea she has that
again government born and government paid for. But we'll get
into that also when we come back. And then I'm
just going to wrap up the bottom top of this hour.
At the end of this hour with some of this
polling data from Rasmussen about this race between Kamala Harrison

(24:56):
former President Donald Trump. So you want to hang on
through the break and listen up listening to The Rodden
Greg Show with Citizen Hughes here on Talk Radio one
oh five nine. Can ar s. Before we get to
the top of the hour, a couple of things I
wanted to talk about. I've been on about this groceries
and price fixing of groceries and all the all the
negative consequences, the food lines, the shortages, everything that it's
going to create if that were to ever happen. Here's

(25:19):
her here's her housing idea. First off, talking big again.
One three hundred and four days on the job, and
she know she's going to do. She woke up this
morning and she said, you know what I'm gonna do.
I'm going to lower housing costs and I'm just going
to end outright end the housing shortage. Well, we in
Utah know what that feels like. We know there's a
housing shortage going on. Well, how's she going to do that? Well,

(25:40):
she's has three million new housing units that she is
going to have the federal government make sure are built.
How does she do that. Well, forty billion is going
to go to governments to build housing units. Now here,
listen to this housing units. That's that's apartments, that's that's
not home ownership. Forty billion two governments for governments to
build housing. You remember the tenements in Chicago that they

(26:04):
tore down and housing units that were built by government
that failed miserably that we as a society got away
from Republican and Democrats. She wants to go back to that.
She wants to provide twenty five thousand dollars, hard, cold
cash for every first time home buyer so they have
money for a down payment. Let me ask you this.
You get five people, ten people that want a house,

(26:26):
They've all been given twenty five thousand dollars, so they,
you know, for their down who gets the house. The
one that pays more than twenty five thousand dollars down
is the one that's going to get the house. All
that this twenty five thousand dollars in the pockets of
people to for a down payment, it runs the risk
of seeing those those housing prizes increase as you're handing

(26:46):
out free money and attributing it to your purchase of
your home. Here's another one, rent control. This is another
failed liberal leftist policy that has only hurt the poor.
Rent controls. If you watch them in the state cities
that still do it, like San Francisco, your rent doesn't
go up very much while you have the place, but
when anyone moves, they can adjust the rent for market rates. Well,

(27:09):
people have lower income happen to have to move more often.
People that are more well off or more stable can
rent and enjoy and take the take full advantage of
a rent that never climbs, having never having to move.
But people that do have to move, they will feel
the full brunt of that from property owners and own
apartments through rent control to really reflect a higher market

(27:30):
value because they can't raise the rents on those that
are enjoying rent control. It just fails. All you have
to know is it's a leftist idea of social engineering,
has nothing to do with the free market, and it
doesn't work, and it never has. And those are her
big housing proposals. It's a new ad. It's getting a

(27:50):
lot of buzz on social media. It's an unconventional way
to run a campaign. He is, well, let me just
do this of trying to describe it to you. We're
going to talk about this ad, and then we're going
to actually have interviews with the people that are in
this ad. That would be Phil Lyman. He was the
Republican candidate in the primary, lost in the primary and

(28:14):
is running a write in campaign this fall for governor,
and he is joining Brian King in this ad, as
you will hear soon, and so we'll interview him, and
then we'll interview Brian King and get their take on this.
And then I'm gonna want after we do this, after
we go through all of this, be interested in your
take because I love you as audience. You're the smartest

(28:35):
people in all the land. What say you after we
But we have to have a thorough vetting of this
before we even draw any conclusions. So let me play
for you right now the Brian King spot that is
getting a lot of buzz here in the state of Utah.

Speaker 13 (28:49):
Hey, I'm Brian King and I'm Phil Lyman. Now, Phil
and I disagree better about most issues, But.

Speaker 6 (28:58):
The biggest thing the two of us agree on, Spencer.

Speaker 13 (29:01):
Cox should not be our next governor.

Speaker 6 (29:03):
One thing about us.

Speaker 13 (29:04):
You always know where we stand on issues.

Speaker 6 (29:06):
So let's try something different this year, right in, Phil,
come on, sorry, Brian vote Brian King for governor for
the Better?

Speaker 1 (29:17):
Well, there you go, joining us on the program to
speak about his candidacy and his role in this.

Speaker 9 (29:24):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (29:25):
In this ad is a state representative. Phil Lyman, former
is a candidate for governor, ran in the Republican primary.

Speaker 10 (29:33):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (29:34):
Phil, you ran a tough primary. Uh you're getting on
this ad with Brian King for governor? Are you playing spoiler?

Speaker 12 (29:40):
Sir?

Speaker 1 (29:41):
Are you in it to win it?

Speaker 9 (29:43):
I mean, Willie add It has gotten over a million views,
and it's Brian King. It's Brian King's ad and in
that he says I'm running as a right in So
it's it's it's pretty pretty effective marketing and it has
been really really good And that's what you do when
you're in a campaign. So obviously I'm campaigning as a

(30:04):
writing as a writing Canada. I'm not backing up Brian King,
never having and won't do that.

Speaker 1 (30:10):
So a lot of people, I don't know that everybody
understands that this is a tell the tell our listeners
about this this. Uh, this setup of the two of
you with a white background speaking, this isn't original content.
You're kind of playing off of a commercial that has
run in the past, maybe you can share the uh,
it shouldn't be an inside joke, but maybe you could
share why this can't, why this commercial looks the way

(30:31):
it does.

Speaker 9 (30:33):
Yeah, I mean it was. It was intended to be
a parody on what Governor Cox did four years ago
when he did his campaign ads with the Democrat candidate
talking about how they can get along and you know,
campaign together essentially. So we thought, okay, well, well, in fact, initially,
and you know Brian and I initially, I said, well,

(30:55):
if we get on there, I think it should end
in a headlock or something because you know, we don't
agree on on munch and.

Speaker 1 (31:01):
That's how I want.

Speaker 9 (31:02):
We did a couple of yeah, we could did a
couple of takes like that, but they opted to go
with some more team team route. But you know, Brian's
a Brian's the music, passionate, honest individual and I uh,
and I was flattered when they called and asked me,
and it is his ads. I wasn't trying to dictate
all of the content I have totally right up, I said,
I'm running a riding campaign. I guess you know that.

Speaker 2 (31:23):
Yeah, we know.

Speaker 9 (31:24):
So they said yeah, come on anyway, and uh and
creative group of people that he's got working with him,
a beautiful studio and and they put that all together
and uh.

Speaker 1 (31:35):
So yeah, yeah, Phil, let me ask you this. So
so it's it's more the more traditional route is that
you know, Republicans stick with the Republican ticket, even if
they don't win in the primary, they stay with that
Republican ticket. How has your base? How are those that
have supported you? I ran a government, a race for governor,
you get to know the course supporters very very well.

(31:58):
I still stay in touch on a regular basis with
many people that I met and supported me back in
twenty twenty. So how is your base receiving this ad?

Speaker 14 (32:07):
Is there?

Speaker 1 (32:07):
Is there confusion? Is there support? Are people disappointed? What
do you? How are you feeling after this AD's gone
prime time?

Speaker 9 (32:16):
So it's interesting. There are a few people that you know,
jump out and say, oh, well you lost my vote,
and you go back and look, it's like, well, you
weren't voting for me.

Speaker 10 (32:25):
Ever, you weren't ever supporting me.

Speaker 9 (32:27):
So they'd love to show that, oh I was with
you right up and tell you goodness, and they know
they were never with me, the people that were with me,
with some exceptions. There's some people that have legitimate concerns
and like, you're going to throw this to a Democrat,
we can have a Democrat. I said something. I said,
I I'd rather have an actual Democrat than a Democrat
who puts an R by his name, and people don't

(32:49):
like that. But I'm still challenging Spencer Cox. I'm challenging
as signatures, I'm challenging the election. I want to see
some of that stuff. And if I had that, I
would drop out of this race. I mean if I
if I had it and approved that he was legit,
I would drop out and back him up one hundred percent.
I don't think he can do it, and I don't
think he can provide that information. So it's a fight,

(33:09):
and I'm in and I'm in it.

Speaker 1 (33:12):
So let me ask you this, all things being equal,
and this is tough if it were, and I don't
know that it's fair to even ask you this question
is hypothetical because you're again you're in this to win
this and there should be no other scenario. But it
is a Democrat, Brian King that would be the head
of our executive branch in Utah better net net than

(33:33):
Spencer Cox re elected in that position.

Speaker 9 (33:37):
Yeah, I think Spence I do. I think Spencer Cox
is much more dangerous because you fly as a false flag.
And I'm not saying that I want a Democrat governor.
I think I think Brian could do a lot of damage.
I think he could appoint some liberal judges. I don't
know that he could find more liberal judges than what
the last few governors have appointed, so so, uh yeah,

(34:01):
I would really have a conservative Yeah.

Speaker 2 (34:03):
So there's that, all.

Speaker 1 (34:07):
Right, Well, look, any other any other comments? I mean, again,
it's a paid for by Brian King ad. It's not
kind of you guys put your money together for it,
So it does have kind of that feel that it's
his show. But I don't sense, I know you, I
don't sense that you signed up for someone else's show.
I guess last comment for you, represemb Liment, what what

(34:29):
would you want listeners to know about your writing campaign
and appearing on a paid for ad by Democrat Brian King.

Speaker 9 (34:38):
Yeah. I thought it was gracious of them, honestly to
allow me to come on and say announce that I'm
running to write in phill Lyman and it is his
it is his people, it is his ad, and he
got the last word and that's that's what you would
expect in his ad. Yeah, we're very we're very earnest
about cleaning up the problems with the election. And we're

(35:01):
not gonna quit just because someone you know, calls us
names or or you know, ridiculed us. That's just about
in my fun, in my nature.

Speaker 1 (35:11):
Well, thank you, Phil, thank you for joining us on
the program. Good information to know, Phil Lymon. He's running
a write in candidate campaign for governor. Was the republic
was in the Republican Uh, the Republican primary and uh,
I think he won the convention and the primary convention,
but lost the primary, but it went to the Supreme

(35:33):
Court for redress on some issues. Uh, the Supreme Court
didn't go his way. And he is continuing, as you've
heard in the interview too, to ask from for more
information and transparency on signature gathering and things like that.
So what we're gonna do is in the next after
this break, we're going to come to back to the
next In the next segment, we're going to speak with
represent Brian King and talk to him about why he

(35:57):
decided to do an ad like this. But here's what
I'm hearing on the ground, folks. I mean, I've got contacts,
you know, I got contacts in camp politics and campaigns, grassroots.
I've asked some people, so, you know, are you upset
by this? Is this breaking the rules of endorsing the
Republican nominee even if your candidate doesn't win, And some

(36:19):
people these are just observations taken for whatever they're worth.
Some people said that there was an initial recoil and
an anger towards Phil because he was it looked it
appears that it would be lending support to the Democrat,
which Republicans wouldn't appreciate. As it was explained that the
commercial itself is kind of a spoof of a Spencer

(36:40):
Cox commercial from twenty twenty, and that's kind of the
makeup of it. Uh, that was better understood and seen
in a more humorous way, So that disarmed some people.
I heard the comment also that where we have such
a have such strong majorities in the legislature, they're worry
that writing in Phil Lymans name for governor I wouldn't

(37:02):
pose as much of a risk if Brian King were
to win because of the strong super majorities that we
hold in the House and Senate in our legislature. So
those are some of the some of the on the
ground observations from our conservative grass roots that I'm that
it's worth at least sharing with you. So when we
come back from this break, we're going to speak with

(37:24):
Brian King about the same ad. I'm going to ask
the same try to ask the same questions that we
asked Phil Lymon, just to kind of get the you know,
same deal. And then I want to come to the phones.
I need to hear from you. I need you to listen.
Tell me are you are you okay with this?

Speaker 2 (37:38):
Is?

Speaker 10 (37:38):
This?

Speaker 1 (37:39):
Is this good? Are you ready to write in a
Phil Lyman for for governor? Are you okay with the
prospective Brian King potentially being advantaged by Phil Lyman's writing
campaign and appearing with him in this ad?

Speaker 2 (37:53):
What say you?

Speaker 1 (37:54):
We'll go to like I said, we'll go to the
interview in the next break. But then after that eighty
eight five seven zero eight zero one zero is the
number to call. We will want to I will want
to hear from you and what kind of what you're
how you're digesting all this because you know the political class.
They've got their opinions and I'm hearing from different voices,
but your voice is always the best. So when we

(38:14):
come back, we'll get to that Brian King interview here
on the Roden Greg Show on talk Radio one of
five to nine Canteras. And it's a unique take and
it's getting a lot of buzz. So we just spoke
with Phil A. Lineman about his participation in that ad,
and now let's talk to the candidate who who paid
for the ad, put the ad together and uh and
decided to go this route. Representative Brian King. Welcome to

(38:38):
the program, sir, Hey, thank you.

Speaker 10 (38:39):
Take before we start now, isn't there Nobody told me
I was gonna have to do this alone with you.

Speaker 1 (38:46):
Yes, this is you know, this is now the Rotten
and Greg Show. But yes, Rod has on a well
deserved vacation and you have just me.

Speaker 2 (38:53):
Sir, just me.

Speaker 10 (38:54):
That's just I didn't too.

Speaker 6 (38:58):
Bad, so sad.

Speaker 1 (39:00):
Now, look you have caused a stir sir and Utah politics.
You are standing on a stage with a white background
with a what appears to be the writing candidate and
former Republican candidate for governor who did not prevail in
the primary representative, Phil Lyman, state Representative. The two of
you are in this commercial. There's a lot of talk.

(39:21):
I want to I just want to ask you what
kind of feedback are you getting for this ad from say,
your supporters, your base. What's the bounce back in the
Brian King world with probably a very unique political ad.

Speaker 10 (39:36):
Yeah. No, I think for the most part, people love it.
I mean they really do. They say, this is great,
it's funny, it is provocative, it is unexpected. It is
surprising that you have two people on the different ends
of the political spectrum up on here talking and it's

(39:57):
unexpected in a sense that you know, Phil and I
don't have a lot of common and we're very politically,
that is ideologically, and we are very upfront about that,
and we want everybody to know that. You still doesn't
want people thinking that he agrees with me, and I
certainly don't want people thinking that there's a lot that
I agree with still on. But we do have this
thing in common, and that is people know where we

(40:19):
stand and they don't know where the incumbent governor stands
on stuff. And the incumbent governor moves around like a
flag in the wind. I mean, he's blown about by
every political current, and whoever speaks loudest and most forcefully
is the way he ends up. And so that's offensive
to a lot of Utahs, and it irritates both Phil
and myself, and we want to stand up and say why.

Speaker 1 (40:41):
So there is what I would can. I wouldn't have
thought it was an inside joke, but I've noticed that
people aren't noticing kind of the joke that's going on
in this ad. You're in a white background, there's two
of you standing there, full body guys are speaking. You
clearly don't agree your opponents in a campaign. What is
the angle going on there that the people, if they've

(41:04):
not seen the twenty twenty what was it the twenty
twenty election, might not gather Yeah, it.

Speaker 10 (41:09):
Was the twenty twenty election. So this is a play
on the twenty twenty election campaign commercial that Chris Peterson
did as the Democratic nominee for governor with Spencer Cox
when they were running for the open seat. And they
talked about disagreeing better that they disagree about a lot
of things on policy, but one thing they do agree
on is the need to be civil in the discourse

(41:30):
and to you know, speak in a way that wasn't
personal and gratuitously insulting things like that, which is a
great message. I believe in that message. We also believe, however,
that when you don't disagree at all, it's easy to
disagree better. And too often, way too often, our current
governor has not disagreed at all with the super majority
in the legislature, and he's basically done whatever they wanted

(41:53):
him to do. And this is the way. This is
what Phil and I were trying to poke some fun at,
is to say, you know, Spencer Cox, you don't know
where he's going to land. He's unreliable. He says he's
not going to vote for Donald Trump, and then the
next day literally comes out and says a lot. It
changed my mind, you know. So that's the kind of
thing that we are trying to poke fun at. Is

(42:14):
at least, you know, Phil and I stand for something
and we'll tell you what it is and you may
not like it, but we're not going to move just
because somebody leans on us.

Speaker 1 (42:24):
Here's a good question, and I'll see if you can
answer it. Did you like that commercial back in twenty
twenty and did you think that the Democrat nominee for
a Republican or for Democrat was going to prevail or
had a better chance of winning when he appeared in
that commercial with Spencer Cox.

Speaker 14 (42:44):
There are some.

Speaker 10 (42:44):
Aspects of it that I like in a sense. I
liked it in the sense that I think it elevated
Chris Peterson's profile and let people know, hey, there's somebody
who looks credible and who was and is very credible
running for governor. It didn't heighten the differences between Spencer
Cox and Chris Peterson in a way that was a

(43:04):
comparent contrast that I thought would be helpful. But that
isn't what that ad was trying to do. That ad
was trying to get Chris Peterson's profile up, and it
certainly did that, So I think it accomplished what he
wanted it to do at the time.

Speaker 1 (43:17):
So are you allowed to share the grand campaign strategy
of this ad with our listeners? Are you looking to
sure divide and conquer? Are you looking to make it
either yourself or Phil that wins. What's the grand strategy here?
To invite one of your opponents given or even a
writing opponent, stage on your bill on your dime. This
is a paid for by Brian King ad what's the strategy.

Speaker 10 (43:39):
Yeah, well, here's the strategy. Sixty percent of Uton's think
that we're on the wrong track in this state, which
is pretty unusual given the idea, given the fact that
Utah's done pretty well the last few decades in many respects.
And yeah, people are dissatisfied. And I think one of
the reasons they're dissatisfied is that there aren't too healthy
political converse stations going on in this state right now.

(44:02):
And that's because there's a supermajority of Republicans in the
legislature and we have a Republican governor. And those two
things have been true for literally forty years. It may
not have been a super majority of the entire forty years,
but the last time we had a democratic governor in
place with Scott Matheson goodness, back in nineteen eighty four.
And so, you know, I don't think that's healthy. I

(44:24):
think people in the state of Utah say, we want
to hear different perspectives. We want our political discussion and
the issue about what policies will put in place for
the state to be taking into account of a wider
variety of perspectives than we have right now. And I
think they're also concerned about the extent to which the
legislature really has rolled over Spencer Cox and said, you're

(44:48):
going to sign the bills that we send to you,
and you're not going to put up a fight, and
you're not going to try to tell U towns whether
that bills, are just going to sign them. And you
know that wasn't true in the first year of Spencer
Cox is a administration, and it wasn't true when he
ran for governor and told us what he wanted to do.
He told us as Utans that he was going to
be a stronger voice against some of the most fringed

(45:10):
voices in the legislature and that just hasn't happened, and
it's been disappointing. So one of the things you say,
what are you trying to do to win this selection, Well,
we've never seen divisions within the state's Republican party like
we've seen like we see right now. And sure, I mean,
we're trying to make sure that the people the state
of Utah have a better choice than I think they

(45:31):
feel they've been given in years past. And if there's
an element of divide and conquer because there's a lot
of division within the state Republican party. You know, that's fine.
I mean, I'm not trying to create that. I think
that exists. But are we being Are we trying to
take advantage of that and give Utahs a better choice? Yeah?
For the better of Utah's We're trying to make sure

(45:52):
they understand they've got a better choice than to have
a conservative Republican and a more conservative Republican way. Thank you.

Speaker 1 (46:00):
Represented Brian King, Democrat candidate nominee for governor in this race,
talking about his political ad with writing candidate Phil Lyman
and what inspired it and how he thinks that will
connect with Utahn's. But what I want to know, folks,
is how it connects with you. I would love to

(46:21):
hear your take on this ad. What are your impressions.
You just heard from Phil Lymon, you've heard from Brian King.
The number eight eight eight five seven zero eight zero
one zero eight eight eight five seven zero eight zero
one zero, your calls, your calls and observations when we
come back from the break. You're listening to The Rotten
Greg Show with Citizen Hughes here on Talk Radio one

(46:42):
oh five nine. Cannais I'm going to play that ad
for you again in case you didn't hear it at
the top of the of the hour when we played it.
Here it is, and then we're going to go to
your calls. We have some patient callers that have been waiting.
We're gonna get to your calls and observations after we
listen to this ad once again.

Speaker 13 (46:57):
Hey, I'm Brian King and I'm Phil Lyne. Now Phil
and I disagree better about most issues, but.

Speaker 6 (47:06):
The biggest thing the two of us agree on is
that Spencer Cox should not be our next governor. One
thing about us.

Speaker 13 (47:12):
You always know where we stand on issues.

Speaker 6 (47:14):
So let's try something different this year, right in Philo.

Speaker 13 (47:18):
Come on, sorry, Brian, vote Brian King for governor for
the better.

Speaker 1 (47:25):
Okay, So they are trying something different this year. This
is not a normal campaign and elections ad that you
would see. So I think that they have achieved that portion. Now,
what say you, ladies and gentlemen, your calls comments? Eight
eight eight five seven zero eight zero one zero. You
just heard the ad. Do you like it? Do you
not like it? You are you worried about it? Do
you think it's the best thing since sliced bread. Let's

(47:47):
go to Richard in Mill Creek, who has patiently been waiting. Richard,
thank you for joining the program. What say you, sir?
You've heard the ad, now you've heard the interviews. Is
this good or bad?

Speaker 14 (48:01):
Well, Greg, this is yes, your friend Richard from Mill Creek,
and I just wanted to I really had a comment
that kind of tied into all this that's happening this year.
I decided to throw myself in the ring and became
a state delegate, and I spent I don't know how
many hours and evenings, you know, vetting these candidates and
going to all these meetings and things, as did the
four other people four thousand other people that were at

(48:23):
the convention, and sixty seven plus percent of those people
who spent all this time and energy doing their research
supported Phil Lyman. And I think you and Rod were
doing your show from there, and Spencer Cox got booed
off the stage. I mean, it was embarrassing. It was
absolutely embarrassing. And then with our wonderful SB fifty four
whatever it is, he goes out and gets twenty seven

(48:45):
thousand signatures or whatever the magic number is and automatically
gets based on the ballot in the old days, he
would have not even been on the ballot.

Speaker 13 (48:53):
And.

Speaker 14 (48:55):
Now he's unwilling to share who He's unwilling to let
anybody look at where these signatures came from and verify
that the you should have even been on the ball
in the first place. I'll tell you, Greg, this is
I think. I think it's an absolute Utah. Politics is
in a terrible place right now. And I'm on several
threads from a lot of a lot of different people,

(49:17):
and I read one last night just blew me away.
This guy said, you know, I think we're better off
voting for the cheater that we know then maybe leaning
towards a ride. And I thought, you have got to
be kidding. That's that's the logic you're going to use
to vote this year. You're not going to support all
the delegates, all the people who've edited these candidates. You're
gonna you believe that you're better off supporting the cheater

(49:39):
that you know. That's appalling to me. Anyway, my two
cents for what it's worth, and.

Speaker 1 (49:45):
It's it's worth a lot, Richard, thank you for your
your take. It's what we're looking for as we go
through this. Let's now go to Aaron and Smithfield. Aaron,
welcome to the program. Thank you for calling in.

Speaker 15 (49:57):
Hi citizen yours. I had three points I wanted to
make Karen. Actually that was the second point that he
just made. And people feel that they can just put
an R beside their name, and this is all a
result of changing the election process in Utah. And I'm
going to say right now, Dietra Henderson is the most
dangerous person in this state right now. If you can

(50:19):
think of Kathy Hochel or a Gretchen Whitmer, that's who
I think of when I think of Dietra Henderson. She's
extremely dangerous. And if she ever makes it to be
governor of this state, who's going to really be in trouble.
So when Walts was selected as the vice presidential candidate
for Kamala Harris, I was looking at the similarities between

(50:39):
Cox and Waltz, and a lot of them are promote
transgender ideology, support boys and girls' sports, aggressively pushing mass mandates.
I can continue down the list. So he's truly not
and you know this as well as anybody you ran
against him. You know he's not a conservative. And my
third point is for the very first time in my life,

(51:01):
I'm going to vote for a Democrat, and I'm going
to vote for Bill Campbell in the second district because
Blake Moore is so corrupt and thirty percent of his
primary voters are Democrats, and he votes for every Democrat
spending bill that comes in front of him, so he
might as well be a Democrat. Bill Campbell is just

(51:23):
a better man. He's more honest, and hopefully two years
after that we can replace him with another good conservative Republican.
But we're stuck, and you know I can get along
with seles Man Lloy and all these situations on how
we have a really, really corrupt voting system in a
state of Utah.

Speaker 1 (51:41):
Okay, Aarin, thank you for the call, Thank you for
the take exactly what we're looking for out here. Let's
go now to Dave in Cash Cash Valley. Beautiful country
there out there in Logan and Cash County. Welcome to
the program, sir, what say you about this?

Speaker 13 (51:59):
Brain king?

Speaker 12 (52:00):
Ad Well, thank you Greg for taking my call. And
I first I just want to say I commiserate with
the last two callers. I too, was a state delegated
Republican convention and I am certainly no fan of Spencer Cox.
He basically mooned the delegates at that convention. That's why

(52:22):
he got booed. But and his attitude is very arrogant
towards the caucus system. But having said that, my wife
and I both donated to Phil Lyman's campaign. We're hoping
for a better result in the primary. But I am
disappointed in Phil for taking it this far because he's

(52:43):
jeopardizing really giving it over to a Democrat as a governor.
And while we may have a super majority in the legislature,
a Democrat governor can do a lot to frustrate our legislature.
And one of the things that uh that mister King
said that was absolutely true, is that Governor Cox weather

(53:07):
veins very well. And when we've got a super majority,
uh in the in the legislature, he weather veins in
their direction. And that's a that's a good thing. I
don't think King will. And so I'm very disappointed in
Lineman for not just graciously saying, Okay, I lost fight
another day, but if he throws this election into the

(53:28):
into the lap of a Democrat, I will never support
him again.

Speaker 1 (53:31):
Well said Dave, And that is the that is the
that's the that's the debate, and that's the dilemma that
we find ourselves in when we see moments like this
and and campaigns and elections. Look, we got a lot
of great callers that are patiently holding on the line.
I got to go to a break, but we're gonna
when we come back from this break, we are going
to come straight back to your calls, your comments on
on this issue of Democrat Brian King's ad with writing

(53:53):
candidate Phil Lyman. What say you, folks, We will get
to your calls when we come back after the break.
You're listening to the rodden Greg Show and me citizen
Hughes here on talk radio one oh five nine. Can
us let me go to Anna from Salt Lake City. Anna,
thank you for holding, Thank you for your patience.

Speaker 2 (54:09):
What say you?

Speaker 16 (54:11):
Well, Greg, I'm happy to talk to you, and I'm
happy that wing Man Wednesday is now every day. But
I'll be quick. Number one, I feel like Lyman turned
his back on his own Republican party and it pains
me to say this name, but he reminds me of
Mitt Romney, which is not a compliment. Number two, I'd
like your opinion. I'm very worried that by Lyman having

(54:31):
a writing campaign that he can split the votes. Do
you think he could so that we end up with
a Democrat governor? And also can the governor write executive
orders to bypass the legislature?

Speaker 1 (54:45):
So yeah, thank you for the call, and and I'll
the answer very quickly. Can it split the vote? You
bet it could? It always has the potential to do that.
Writing campaigns are about as low as a percentage shot
in a election campaign election as you get, but they are,
they do, and they are I would never count anyone
out completely. So could it have the effect of splitting it?

Speaker 2 (55:06):
Absolutely?

Speaker 1 (55:08):
Executive orders? You have administrative rules, but we have an
administrative rules committee at the legislatures. The legislature can keep
a government governor at bay pretty well. But that's not
making as don't read too much into that. I'm not
saying that that's a reason to vote for a Democrat.
I'm just saying that it's not like Washington, d C.
You're ready, we have time for another call or do

(55:28):
we got to go? I got one minute. If we
can hear from Kay in South Jordan, if you can
do it in forty five seconds, I'd love to hear
your take, Well.

Speaker 17 (55:39):
I appreciate you taking my call. Everybody who's saying that
Phil is turning his back on you Ton's does not
know Phil at all. This was a parody of the
Chris Peterson Spencer Cox thing that they did back in
October of twenty twenty. This is a way for Phil
to get his message out on Brian King's dime that
he is doing a writing campaign and he is fighting

(55:59):
for all of us because what's happening in our legislature
is not right, what's happening in our government. Jdre's office
and Spencer's office. All he has asked is to show
us the signatures.

Speaker 18 (56:10):
They use the same signature gathering company that Don Ibsen
did and how many of his were found to be fraudulent.
So show us those signatures. Phil has a right as
a legislator to see those signatures. But what are they
trying to hide. He could easily walk away into the sunset.
Phil could do that, but he's a fighter.

Speaker 1 (56:27):
Hey, you've done such a great job getting your take
in there. We're going to go to a break. I'm
gonna we'll come back to the calls. You want to
hang on, you want to call eight eight eight five
seven zero eight zero one zero. We'll keep talking about
this as long as you want to Here on the
Roden greg Show on Talk Radio one oh five to nine,
can or USh.

Speaker 8 (56:45):
You know.

Speaker 1 (56:45):
It's an ad from Democrat candidate for governor Brian King.
He has righting candidate and former Republican nominee or a
Republican candidate in the primary, Phil Lyman as his on
the ad with him, and they talk about how they
have very very different opinions about leadership and issues, but
they both don't want Spencer Cox to be re elected.

(57:08):
And it's a Brian King ad with the writing Candida
Phil Lynman on. There have been wanting since this became
an issue to hear from you, the listeners, to get
your take on this. We've had some very patient callers.
If you'd like to call, I'll tell you I We'll
stay with this issue as long as you'd like in
this final hour of the show. The number to call
if you'd like to comment eight eight eight five seven
zero eight zero one zero. Eight eight eight five seven

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zero eight zero one zero is the number to call
to comment. Let's go to Tina in Davis County. Tina
welcome to the program. Thank you for holding your very patient.
What's your take on this campaign? Ad by Brian King?

Speaker 4 (57:49):
So can you hear me? Greg?

Speaker 1 (57:51):
I can? Yes?

Speaker 4 (57:53):
Okay, So Greg, you know me. We spent some time
I'm in Milwaukee together a few minutes. Anyway, I've been
a state Central Committee member for eight years. I was
part of the lawsuit that went all the way to
Supreme Court and I can you hear my navigation? I'm

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going to turn.

Speaker 15 (58:19):
It off, and.

Speaker 4 (58:23):
So you know what we're experiencing that whole lawsuit when
the ten Circuit Court of Appeals send it back when
we went on to the Supreme Court. But the basic thing
was you have to have someone that's been farmed. Well,
we now have someone that's been harmed. And what we
are experiencing at this moment is the harm that has
been experienced and who has been harmed. Whilst the lyneman

(58:45):
has been harmed, and Transtack was harmed, and Chris Kimball
is harmed, but also the delegates have been harmed and
as a result, the entire state of Utah has been harmed.
So what are we going to do about that? Well,
the party could decide to back it's nominee and demand
that we get the signatures so that we can look
at the signatures and make sure they're valid, which is

(59:06):
what they should do. There's a huge conflict of interest
for the lieutenant governor to be managing her own race
and be making these decisions. They should be made by
another party, a third party, which I know that there
was someone there. I don't believe he's making those decisions,
So there are so many questions for me. I want

(59:28):
to be able to vote for a Publican candidate that
is not Cox. I really don't believe that he is Republican.
She certainly has made a lot of decisions that are
not Republican, s accepting a billion dollars over COVID and
putting them in all kinds of places that the media
won't report on. So I want to be able to

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have a candidate that I can feel good about voting for.
And he is the Republican nominee. So I think the
party needs to decide are we going to back our nominee?
Are we going to challenge We've now experienced the harm
that the court said we had to have to have standy,
and what are we going to do with it so
to me. That's what this is about the ad. I

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didn't care about the ad. I thought the ad was creative.
I thought it was fun. I thought it gave good
attention to Phil obviously, So thanks, That's what I feel
about this.

Speaker 1 (01:00:22):
Tina. You are not without a strong take, and that
is why I am glad you called. Thank you very
much for calling the program. Thank you for waiting on hold.
Let's go to Jerry from Sam Pete. Jerry, very kind
of you for waiting. I know you've waited a long time.
What is your take about this ad?

Speaker 9 (01:00:39):
Thanks? Greg?

Speaker 19 (01:00:40):
Well, I think it's very clever personally. And you know,
I was a state delegate. I was there for the
whatever seventeen plus hours the marathon. I saw what happened. Yeah,
it was a marathon. And honestly, Phil Lyman has presented
such a great case and for why those signatures and

(01:01:03):
he's not asking them to be coffeed. He's not going
to spread them about. He just wants to witness them
and that is totally within the law. And you know,
quite honestly, I just am really tired of the Shenanigans
of cos I've seen them firsthand. He's in my Caucus,
and I am just tired of it. I don't we

(01:01:27):
need what Phil is trying to do, and as people
would just get some backbone. I think Phil has a
lot of courage doing what he's doing, because if we don't,
Utah is gone. We've lost it. If this discontinues on
the way it is, We're done. And honestly, I'm done
with politics. So I'm done with the GOP in Utah.

Speaker 1 (01:01:49):
Jerry Well said Sam Pete County resident. That's in the
hometown of the governor, so in a small community, a
rural community, interesting and important take. Thank you for holding
and thank you for sharing us your your opinion on
this issue. Let's go now to Nate in Syracuse. Nate,
thank you for holding. And what do you say about this?
This ad is Brian King ad with Phil Lyman. Is

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it dividing conquered? Does it hurt us as a state?

Speaker 9 (01:02:14):
Is it?

Speaker 1 (01:02:14):
Is it a positive? What say you?

Speaker 20 (01:02:18):
I would say, thanks for having act.

Speaker 2 (01:02:20):
I think it's a positive.

Speaker 20 (01:02:21):
I've been saying this for probably a year plus now
that we're not going to be the oligarchy. I call
it the oligarchy of Utah, that is the Left working
with the Rhinos who are just pretend they're just pretend
Republicans and they what they're doing is they're working together

(01:02:43):
to just turn our state blue. So we're like the
next Colorado in my opinion, or right on the edge.
And the only way this works is you've got to
have SB fifty four and you've got to have extreme
apathy from the citizens because they're busy working, playing, you know,
doing things with kids.

Speaker 2 (01:03:03):
It's it's hard.

Speaker 20 (01:03:04):
It's hard.

Speaker 9 (01:03:04):
I've been in the trenches, hardcore.

Speaker 20 (01:03:08):
For four years, trying to make a difference, trying to fight.
We started the whole thing to try to save our flag.
Cox and Deirdre at every step, we're doing everything in
their power to make sure that we didn't succeed. And
it's just sicken. And I've gone to election integrity committee
bills and I'm d Drinner crony show up and say

(01:03:28):
why we don't need any election integrity bills? And now
it's four years ago SB three three seventy one. I
watched it fit with phill Lymon's bill. It was the
first bill I got involved in because I was like,
this is how we fixed our system. And I watched
these Republicans all vote against it, and I thought at
the time I didn't know who was who. I thought
they were Democrats.

Speaker 9 (01:03:47):
I literally asked the person next I was like, why
is there.

Speaker 20 (01:03:50):
So many Democrats in this committee? And they said, no,
those are Republicans and I was like, come on. I
literally couldn't believe it because I was like, why wouldn't
we want election integrity?

Speaker 2 (01:03:59):
This is just normal?

Speaker 1 (01:04:01):
So Nate, thank you. So I didn't mean to cut
you off. Nate, I apologize, but I do thank you
for your call. I thank you for your observation. And look,
I'm going to tell you that what you're hearing on
the program today are the frustrations I've heard less about
the commercial itself and more about the underlying issues that
brought that commercial to existence. And that is a writing

(01:04:24):
campaign from Phil Lyman. And you have Democrat Brian King
that is using that frustration that you're hearing on the
program to bring even himself some more attention. And I
cannot argue with a single word I've heard today. I
will warn listeners when we talk about this signature gathering process,

(01:04:44):
you have, as Nate, as it was just described, you
have people that don't want to have conventions anymore. They
don't want delegates in county conventions or state conventions. And
to them, the choice is let's get rid of conventions entire,
convention caucus convention cycles entire, and go to a direct primary.
That is their decision tree me and everyone that I know. Intuitively,

(01:05:08):
that is called the show. In our audience. We love
the vetting process and the one on one that comes
with delegates meeting candidates, asking them hard questions, having a
higher information election cycle. It's critical and we never want
to lose that. But sometimes I worry that when people
think let's get rid of the dual process, that they
think that means we'll always go back to us to

(01:05:29):
what we've always had, and that is the caucus convention cycle.
The barbarians are at the gate, folks. They want to
get rid of these conventions with all their heart. You
think that people want to be booed at conventions, You
think they want to answer lots of hard questions that
put them on the spot. Plenty don't. And so that's
kind of the challenge that we have in front of

(01:05:50):
us and going forward, just just letting you know, just
telling you calling balls and strikes here, telling you what
we're seeing out there. Look, we're going to go to
a break. We come back, I don't see the callers
having called, so we're going to move on from this issue.
I have been trying to get to this Rasmussen poll
from the beginning of the show at four o'clock, So
I'm going to go over some of the details on

(01:06:10):
this this Rasmussen poll, and maybe the bounce of the
Kamala Harris Walls ticket has seen its day. I think
there'll be another one for their convention, but at least
the honeymoon's over and the sizzle might be off the
stake in terms of the new arrival of a presidential
candidate on the Democrat side. I'll jump into this poll.

(01:06:31):
It just came out from Rasmussen. When we come back
after the break. You're listening to the Rod and Greg
Show and Citizen Hughes here on Talk Radio one oh
five nine. Canters, great calls, callers, Thank you, you're truly
this is I mean, I really do mean it. I
love the input, I love the take from callers. It's
the highlight of the show for me. Sometimes I hit
an issue and I think I understand it. I see

(01:06:53):
it and I think that you the callers, when you
participate in the show, your perspectives that you share. You're
not just bystanders, You're you're active members of our communities
in our state. And I just really do genuinely enjoy
the take. So we've had a great discussion. I have
to rewind just slightly because we have an important interview

(01:07:16):
that's coming up at the mid mid part of this hour,
the six o'clock hour, with Sean Carney, the president and
CEO Forty Days for Life, about abortion and about Governor
Walls and what he's been up to. But before we
get to that, I want to tell you that the
Rasmussen poll that just came out, and it's the latest
poll to come out, shows that this Hiris honeymoon or

(01:07:37):
this Harris you know, shining time where she's the new candidate,
might be slowing down or have stopped. The Harris bump
has ended, according to the report here has ended after
poll after poll shows that Trump was down on was
down by five percentage points on August second, and now
has him leading by one percent. The support in the
presidential race has swung six points since the beginning of

(01:07:59):
the month, and it's put President Trump back into a
narrow lead after Vice President Kamala Harris surged after the
surprise entrance atop the Democrat ticket. Okay, so survey have
three thousand likely voters. Okay, that's a that's a pretty
good sampling. Has Trump leading Harris forty six percent to
forty five percent. When voters who were asked which can

(01:08:22):
they were leaning towards. So instead of just who you're
going to vote for, and do you know who you're
going to vote for in the answer being yes, if
you included those respondents who had a leaning preference, Trump's
lead grows forty nine percent to forty seven And those numbers,
I know are just nail biers. But we've but we've said,
and even President Trump said in his press conference this

(01:08:44):
week that he pulls low. He does not pull like
he he shows up in the in the ballots in
sixteen and twenty and we know this, this is this
is actually true. Even polsters are warning that his numbers
are always stronger than what they can glean from their
polls and analytics. Harris was leading Trump forty four to
forty three percent in this same exact survey just seven

(01:09:05):
days ago, and she even enjoyed a five point lead
in the same poll, same number of people, thirty thousand
likely voters back in August second. So that's to say
that we're seeing that that's what they call maybe a
sugar high or that surge of a brand new candidate.
That Harris bounce may be over. However, expect a bounce

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coming next week when you have your your convention, your
your party convention. Is it's a fact you're going to
see a percentage grow or a bump from that convention.
The interesting part will be this, A large percentage of
those who were pulled in this Rasmussen pole don't really

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know and admit that they don't know much about Kamala
Harris or Governor Walls. Whereas when you ask a Trump voter,
a supporter, or a respondent to the poll about President Trump,
they know this man, they know his positions. There is
nothing left to the imagination when it comes to Donald Trump.
But there is a lot that is unknown about the

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Harris Walls ticket. So the question I have is, well,
some of these incredibly leftist, I dare say communist ideas
of price control for food, rent control forcing, I mean
just this government heavy hand where free markets are not ignored,
they're taken apart. Are they going to run on these

(01:10:28):
issues in the convention or are we just going to
hear word salads of just, you know, just fuzzy things
that make you feel good, but really aren't getting down
to any kind of specific issues. The fact that people
don't know enough about this candidate or this ticket on
the Democrat side is an advantage for Donald Trump, but

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it also makes this race really hard to predict because
it seems to.

Speaker 2 (01:10:53):
Be so close.

Speaker 1 (01:10:54):
Before this poll came out, I told you that I
didn't like the even the cross tabs of how they
were coming up with these leads that they were pointing
towards Kamala. They were understampling the working class people, particularly
in these battleground states. Those cross tabs were ridiculously low
in terms of showing general sentiment. And I've always believed

(01:11:15):
that if we knew, if we had a better understand
if we had a better understanding of the people that
are most likely to vote, and you had a better
sampling of those, you would see you would see those
numbers being very different. I think this is an attempt
to try and hold on to that momentum, but here's
the other thing you can say, in the best of times,
where the media is doing everything they can to promote
Kamala Harris and Governor Walls, where they won't go after

(01:11:38):
them on any heart issues, where they don't demand that
they have press conferences like Trump has had. Trump's numbers
are incredibly resilient. You don't see him going down. You
don't see what you would think you I would see
with the kind of full court press the regime media
and the social media have put trying to help that

(01:11:59):
Harris Walls ticket. So I think that's a good thing
to note now here in our in What I think
is going to be good about our next segment is
that we're going to have an interview with Sean Karney,
and I mentioned he's with he's a president and CEO
of Forty Days for Life. We were going to talk
about an issue that probably most of the voters that
are considering the Harris Walls ticket don't know about Governor

(01:12:21):
Walls and his his beyond advocacy, his almost I don't know,
rabid support for abortion and what funds he was willing
to use to see that more abortions happen in the
state of Minnesota. So whre when we come back, we're
going to have that interview with him and then, and
I think it's one you don't want to miss, So
hang on over the break. You're listening to the Rodden

(01:12:42):
Greg Show here on Talk Radio one oh five nine Cannorus.
If the poll numbers I showed you folks in the
last segment that people do not know this ticket of
Harrison Walls is the case, then it's up to people
like us and Sean Karney to actually reveal what kind
of person this vice presidential nominee. Governor Walls is joining
us on the show. Welcome Sean Carney. Look, new information

(01:13:05):
is coming out and it shows that Tim Walls, Governor
Walls has spent money COVID nineteen money back in twenty
twenty creatively on abortion in this What did you uncover
and what details can you share with our listeners.

Speaker 2 (01:13:17):
Yeah, he gave one hundred thousand dollars to abortion. It's
just absolutely I guess it's not unbelievable because abortion has
become a sacrament for these people. But yeah, stuff that
was supposed money that was supposed to fight COVID nineteen.
This is when this is early, This is when you know,
we're just dishing out tons of money. Everybody's just trying

(01:13:39):
to help nurses and doctors and all this stuff, and
he gives one hundred thousand dollars to the abortion industry.

Speaker 1 (01:13:47):
So this misuse of funds clearly not what that money
was supposed to be used for. I don't even know
what the term abortion doula means. I mean, do you
have what specifically is that?

Speaker 2 (01:13:58):
Okay, sadly I do know what it means, but there
were for a long time I didn't keep my dignity somehow.
So yeah, an abortion dula is somebody who helps gets
a woman through an abortion. You go through this, it's
like a birthing process, except the opposite. Instead of welcoming
the baby and having a doula, you have somebody that

(01:14:18):
helps you kill the baby, and you know, they're like
comfort people and they help you do the abortion. Some
of them actually do abortions. So it's just goofball and
nobody's sitting here going, well, yeah, you know, a politician,
you know, misappropriated funds. Shocker. It's not that it's that

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it went to the most it's not even plaining parent
that it's the Doula, who is like sort of the
goofball version of an abortionist, and you know he's out there.
I mean, when you go to Minnesota, they had abortion
up to forty weeks, which he supported. But then when
he became governor, you know, we had these babies that
survived in abortion and they were less to die, and

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the doctors had to report that. In Minnesota, he removed
the reporting requirement to report the infantas side. You know,
it's some of them that he was against it. He
removed the requirement to cover it up. So he's he's
in left field.

Speaker 1 (01:15:16):
He really is. And you know, you pointed out, and
I hear a lot of people do this, and I've
had a number of people on the show this even
this week who point out he was maybe a more
moderate member of Congress, but when he became governor, he
went right off the cliff to the left as far
as he could go. However, I would argue that he
represented that the district was represented by a Republican before

(01:15:36):
he won that seat. He was playing an act to
hold onto a seat. He knew that his audience wasn't
as left as he was, so I don't think he
ever was moderate. I think he was a lunatic leftist
from the beginning, playing a part for that congressional seat.
And the reason why tell me what you think or
if you how much you have shared his town hall
meeting where he just he says that Nancy Pelosi, when

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she was speaker, asked him thought he might need to
tone down his abortion rhetoric, and he told her no.
And he's he's really on a roll when he's telling
this in a town hall meeting. Did you see her?

Speaker 5 (01:16:09):
Have you?

Speaker 1 (01:16:10):
Have you seen what's happened in Congress when he was
there and he was starting to just lean left blow
more than his district was how can you be to
the left of Nancy Pelosi on abortion? I guess is
the question after all that observation.

Speaker 2 (01:16:21):
Yes, yeah, so he did that. She told him to
tone it down. But you know, like anybody else, you
would think that. You say, as we're all in these positions,
you're like, Okay, I'm not going to tone it down,
but I'm not going to say anything. You don't make
it public. He's out there bragging that Nancy Pelosi told

(01:16:42):
him the tournament, I said, I won't do it. That's
when like you're that's when playing parenthood workers and abortion
doctors are like my word, like she's our biggest advocate.

Speaker 10 (01:16:51):
You probably need to shut up.

Speaker 2 (01:16:52):
You're idiot, you know.

Speaker 14 (01:16:53):
And so he's out there bragging about it.

Speaker 2 (01:16:56):
He's kind of a goofball. You make a good point
though about the the we started off a little bit moderate.
I bet you he makes an intent at that at
the VP debate. That is my guess when he's with
Vance that he will tone that. He actually will tone
it down. Maybe not on abortion, but he will. He's
going to come off, try to come off more as

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a moderate, and he has a lot of training from
his congressional days.

Speaker 1 (01:17:21):
Yes, we're speaking with Sean Carney. Look, I love that
you're with forty Days for Life. You're the president, you're
running the show. This is an issue that the Republicans,
for some reason, in some areas, they want to run
away from these issues. We certainly are not. But let
me ask you this, it's in fantaside, Sean. When you
have baby, have a baby that's born alive and you

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terminate the life of that baby, it's not partial burst abortion.
It's this is in fantaside. How if he comes on
that stage in a VP debate, or if he wants
to come out there and be the au shucks guy,
the macaroni and cheese and trip to the hardware store,
disarming all of America. How do you, because you're a
leader in this, how do you plan and how do

(01:18:03):
we get the message out to this guy is not
just for abortion under what people might think. He is
truly okay with him fantaside, he's okay with babies being
born alive and being left to die. How do we
get that word out?

Speaker 2 (01:18:16):
Oh, it's easy. You say, what restrictions do you support
on abortion? And that's it? And road didn't allow you know,
we had no restrictions, but the states regulated it obviously,
and that is that is the question. And all the
all shocks you can.

Speaker 10 (01:18:33):
Say, oh that's all great.

Speaker 2 (01:18:34):
If a baby girl survives on abortion, what do we
do with her? And you stop talking? And these Republicans
that are absolutely coward, they're so stupid from running away
from abortion. Can you imagine George w or Dole or
McCain wanting a Democrat opponent that supported abortion at forty

(01:18:55):
weeks they would have walked into office. Yes, the ticket
is so pro abortion and you know, you don't even
talk about your own position. You could just focus on
theirs and it's there for the taking, and they won't
do it. They're cowards. And in twenty twenty two you
won big Governor Kemp, Governor to Santez, and Governor Abbot.

(01:19:15):
Handedly they all won. They all had heartbeat bills, they
all owned being pro life, they all said that they
supported the overturning a Row. They were all proud of
the Supreme Court. And you know, with all that said,
I thought Trump did good. And the Biden debate on abortion,
he talked about how barbaric abortion is and he also
pointed out that Row did allow it up to forty weeks.
I thought that was good. But I know he's being

(01:19:36):
told by a lot of people that he needs to
run away from abortion. And number one, you can't because
Kama was running on it. Number Two, were winning. Is
the only culture warfront that were actually winning. And there's
you know, hundreds of millions of dollars available for women
at the state level who choose life, and those are
bipartisan things because no Democrats going to deny funding to

(01:19:58):
single moms. So there's a lot of positive ways to
attack it, and I hope they start doing that.

Speaker 1 (01:20:05):
So I guess this is my final question. This is
a national poll, but I think you must be privy
to polls in battleground states and everything else on this
particular issue, but maybe the election generally, and we know
that the Independents are really the where this race is
going to go. Well, there was a poll done between
August ninth and twelfth that said that Independence we're supporting
Kamala Harris at forty three percent, Donald Trump at fifty

(01:20:27):
one percent amongst the Independence. Now, if that's the case,
and we know that Kamala has made abortion one of
her clarion calls and major platform issues, can we draw
from a poll like that that it's not swaying the
independent voter that she is just all in on abortion.
I mean, does that make the case.

Speaker 2 (01:20:49):
I don't know if it makes the case. She's certainly
taking a risk because no candidates ever run on the
culture war being number one. American don't like that. We
don't want the culture were to be number one for
better for work, and so she is taking a huge risk.
It always comes back to the main issues. I think
it proves that the Independents aren't buying this hole. We
got rid of Biden and we're propping her up. And

(01:21:11):
she went from the most unpopular VP to a genius
in Mother Teresa overnight, and that they it's just not believable.
I think she's extremely smart for not doing media interviews.
She doesn't have to. And but she's got a debate.
She's got a debate, and that that one debate that
I think is Trump's great opportunity. He's got to do well.

(01:21:31):
He can't have one of these horrible performances. He's got
to have one of his good ones. But no, that
that's a problem. I think the independents are are going
to That's a very encouraging poll because some of the
other polls show that her bump is very much real.
Trump is easily defeatable and and he has got to
I mean, he had the debate performance of a lifetime.

(01:21:53):
He got shot in the ear. Then they had the
they had the best convention in the history of the party.
He followed, unfortunately, followed by his horrible speech at the
end that rambled on for five I was there, I know, gosh,
and it was just there for that They should have
been a fifteen minute talk. But yeah, you know, despite
all that, he has not gotten the bump. I mean,

(01:22:15):
Reagan got eleven point bump when the assassination attempt was
taken on his life. So we'll see. I'm not impressed
with how Trump is running his campaign. And he's the
greatest pro life president in the history of our country.
But he campaigned so well in sixteen and I don't
know what's going on in twenty twenty and twenty twenty four.
But he has got to turn it around or shall

(01:22:37):
be elected. There's no doubt about it.

Speaker 5 (01:22:39):
I hear you.

Speaker 1 (01:22:39):
I hear there's some changes up at the top of
that food chain as well coming. But Sean Carney, president
CEO of Forty Days for Life, thank you very much
for joining us on this program. And keep up the
good work, sir. We need you.

Speaker 2 (01:22:50):
Thank you.

Speaker 14 (01:22:51):
I appreciate it.

Speaker 2 (01:22:52):
Have a great weekend.

Speaker 1 (01:22:54):
Look, we're going right to the break. Final thoughts when
we come back on this Friday of the Roden greg
Show here with Citizen Hughes here on Talk Radio one
oh five nine canter Us. I'm just going to start
it now. I'm going to prepare you for next week's
Democrat National Convention. I have no idea, Why Biden, Because
I'm sure it was Biden that got to pick where
he wanted to receive the nomination, even though he's not

(01:23:14):
the nominee any longer. He picked Chicago, and Chicago is really,
I think for Trump at Trump's campaign, a very good
place for the Democrats to hold this convention because even
in the days of Bill Clinton, back in ninety six,
when they last held a convention, their national convention, they
were tearing down the government built tenements and bringing in

(01:23:38):
free market. You were seeing investment, private capital, investment. Bill
Clinton was what they were calling a new Democrat where
they were trying to, you know, exper upward mobility through
the economy. These leftists today in Chicago and in every
metropolitan area in every city, they have chased the retail.
They have chased the investment, the economic investment into these

(01:23:59):
communities out with their you can steal up to nine
hundred dollars every single day without getting arrested. There's a
catch and release policies, and there's no consequence for illegal conduct.
When you look at crime, Chicago has turned into a
literal war zone. Look at the homicide rates in that city.
Now they're going to do a very good job of
polishing it all up and making it look fine. But

(01:24:21):
I'm going to tell you that this economic situation, the
public safety does non exist in public safety atmosphere there,
the homicide rates, everything that Democrats have been running that
town from day one. There's not a Republican they can
blame for the carnage that's going on in that town.
And that's where they're going to have this national convention.
The big wild card, folks to watch next week will

(01:24:43):
be the pro Hamas pro terrorist protesters who they the
Democrats can appease.

Speaker 9 (01:24:50):
They didn't.

Speaker 1 (01:24:51):
Kamala didn't pick Governor Shapiro from Pennsylvania, who would have
been a smarter pick for them. So I'm glad she
didn't do it because she wanted to appease pro terrorist
pro Hamas crew. It didn't work. They are already protesting,
they're already pushing back at events, They're already chanting that
Kamala is part of genocide. They are going to do

(01:25:12):
their level best to interrupt this convention. And I hope
that you know, there's gonna be an attempt to whitewash
all that we're not gonna I hope that we see
the kind of dysfunction that exists in that Democrat party now,
and really any kind of honest study of the city
of Chicago will show that they haven't. It's just going
the wrong direction, and it's going and it's going the

(01:25:33):
wrong direction. If we thought Lori Lightfoot was bad, the
guy that took her place has made that place even
a worse war zone. So anyway, be prepared. We're going
to see things that are gonna be hard to stomach.
But Chicago. I'm glad they're in Chicago and not a
state that's actually in play, and it's a great example
of how Democrat politics fundamentally don't work. So look, they

(01:25:55):
thank you for joining me on this program. I ran
Sola flew solo this week and had a great time.
I appreciate the callers for taking time to call in.
The input is always always makes the show better. So
until Monday, you know, keep your hands up, your chin down,
your eyes forward, answer the bell, and we will see
you on Monday. The Rod and Greg Show on Talk

(01:26:16):
Radio one oh five nine o k NRS

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