The Rod and Greg Show: Why Are Young Male Voters Leaning Right... And Why Do They Hate Democrats?

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I hope the American people see right through the fake
media outrage that is taking place today about Donald Trump's
comments with Tucker Carlson last night about Liz Chaney, because
it is fake media outrage.

Speaker 2 (00:14):
It really is.

Speaker 3 (00:16):
Well.

Speaker 2 (00:16):
We talked about this yesterday where every time he with
his campaign and the Republican National Committee were pointing out
the things that were going on in the camp and
in the election that we're wrong, like closing early, voting
too early, going to the court successfully getting that open
back up. The media was reporting that as stunts by
camp by Trump to try and undermine the integrity of

(00:37):
an election. And we'll get into even the exchange that
happened to Washington Post. But we said, I said yesterday,
this is this false narrative of anything that goes wrong,
is him undermining our election process? Is such a bald
face lie in contrived notion he goes on, this goes
to this event with Tucker Carlson last night, and I'm
going to tell you for the for the regime media

(00:59):
to push out the same exact talking point and interpretation
of what he said that is so contrived and.

Speaker 4 (01:06):
Out of left, out of context.

Speaker 2 (01:08):
These are memos being sent to these people to disregurgitate,
and it's down to that these are acts of desperation.
You've got the comments that were made and what they're
trying to accuse him of saying. They must be getting
crushed in their internal polling to be this brazen and
this ridiculous because it's it doesn't pass the left. It's
like when Biden called the Trump supporters garbage. He called

(01:32):
us garbage, and there's no apostrophe you're missing out of that.
And that's what he called Trump support.

Speaker 4 (01:37):
Called us garbage.

Speaker 1 (01:38):
Let me give you an example of this today because
we're gonna talk a lot about this a little bit
later on. We'll get your thoughts on this, but this
is just a sample. And seeing Ed by the way
launched this today, it was a full scale attack against
what Donald Trump said about Liz Cheney in Phoenix last night.

Speaker 4 (01:55):
I don't think you even need to call it fire upon.

Speaker 5 (01:57):
He's saying, quite explicitly and on ambiguously, that Liz Keeney
should be shot, should be executed by firing squad.

Speaker 6 (02:04):
Four days out from election day and former President Donald
Trump is escalating his violent rhetoric, suggesting one of his
most prominent critics the former Congresswoman Liz Cheney should be
fired upon.

Speaker 7 (02:16):
Her reaction to what Donald Trump said about Liz Cheney.

Speaker 8 (02:22):
Yeah, well, look, I mean it was completely inappropriate, dangerous,
and unbecoming of a leader. Mister Trump was literally going
after someone who doesn't agree with him, So you shouldn't
be a surprise when people come on TV and feel
the need to agree with him.

Speaker 4 (02:39):
There's nine barrels.

Speaker 7 (02:41):
When he says nine barrels shooting at her, that obviously
evokes images of a firing squad. It evokes images of
an execution.

Speaker 5 (02:50):
Let's execute a political opponent who happens to be a
woman because I don't like her, and like, does that
pull more low propensity voters in his coalition to the polls,
I honestly don't think so.

Speaker 4 (03:05):
I mean, that is CNN leading the charge.

Speaker 1 (03:09):
Obviously they're getting all their talking points from the Harris campaign.
But that is fake media outrage. He did not call
for the execution of Liz Cheney. So we're going to
play for you what he actually said. But that sets
it up because you wouldn't.

Speaker 2 (03:22):
You're what you're about to hear you It in no
way construe as his call for her execution. And by
the way he starts this, because she's a warhawk, and
his overall point you'll hear him the present former president
himself say it is that these people that want to
go want America to go to war and put troops
in harm's way and go engage in war all the time,

(03:43):
wouldn't be something if they had to do it, if
they had to be there. Well, at the beginning of this,
he says she had to have a rifle. Never I've
never personally seen the person on a firing squad with
their own rifle. So, I mean, there's just no there
is absolutely no logic to the way they are trying
to tell the American people what president former President Trump said.
It doesn't it's not real. And the fact that they're

(04:03):
all saying it the same way within i don't know,
within an hour of them saying it. These are talking points,
and they must be getting crushed and they must be
looking bad to get this desperate, because let's just go
play it and let our listeners listen to it. It
doesn't it's not what you just heard. By way of commentary.

Speaker 1 (04:19):
Yeah, now this is this happened last night in Phoenix.
He and an event with Tucker. Curlsnew was just to
sit down conversation between the two men in front of
a live audience, and Tucker decided to ask the former
president what he thought about, you know, Dick Cheney and
Liz Cheney backing Kamala Harris. He said it was a
dumb mistake he thought on the part of Kamala Harris

(04:42):
to team up with Liz Cheney. But then he said
this about Cheney and being a warmonger.

Speaker 9 (04:47):
She's a radical warhawk.

Speaker 10 (04:50):
Let's put her with a rifle standing there with nine
barrel shooting at her. Okay, let's see how she feels
about it. You know when the guns are trained on
her face. You know they're all warhawks when they're sitting
in Washington in a nice building saying, oh you will,
let's send let's send ten thousand troops right into the.

Speaker 9 (05:08):
Mouth of the enemy. But she's a stupid person.

Speaker 10 (05:11):
And I used to have I have meetings with a
lot of people, and she always wanted to go to
war with people.

Speaker 1 (05:20):
Do you hear anywhere in there, Greg that Donald Trump
is calling for Liz Cheney a step before a firing squad.
Because I don't hear maybe.

Speaker 2 (05:27):
I'm missing He doesn't say it, and he says that
they are they're all warhawks? Who are they? Is that
her preferred pronoun he's using, because I'm going to tell
you he's saying, these warhawks, and of what she has won,
and in his conversations, like every time I remember her,
she wanted to stay in Syria we got out. She
want to stay in Afghanistan. We got her. I want
to stay in where. Yeah, Afghanistan got out. He's saying,

(05:54):
we would have been in fifty different conflicts it had
it been up to her and people like her. And
so he is talking about how easy and how cavalier
the DC class is in engaging and putting our men
and women in harm's way in military conflicts around this world.
And that's what he's talking about. And he says, boy,
wouldn't be something if she had to go face what

(06:15):
these soldiers have to face, and what is the point.

Speaker 1 (06:17):
In one of his last speeches, Dwight D. Eisenhower, we've
talked about this before too. Greg warned the American people
about the military industrial complex and how big it is
in this country and how controlling it's going to be.
Liz Cheney and Dick Cheney are advocates for the military
industrial complex and the amount of money that they have
made off sending American men and women to battle is disgusting.

(06:42):
And that's all Donald Trump was pointing out.

Speaker 2 (06:45):
And what's so reprehensible about Democrats. It's one thing if
Liz Cheney wants to try and justify all this and
Cheney and everything else, but the Democrats used to oftentimes
point out that politicians never send their kids into the wars,
that there are more than only to send everyone else's
kids into. And I was probably one of the young
Republicans that thought that was a cheap shot and that

(07:05):
you know, they're different, different stages of life, all that,
and I was, I was myself very much a hawk.
It took a Trump presidency where I saw we didn't
have to be in Syria if he had not been
elected President. Rod I will tell you that Asad was
a madman.

Speaker 11 (07:21):
He is.

Speaker 2 (07:22):
I thought we had to deal with Assad in Syria
back before he became president. I thought we had no choice,
or this thing is going to come to our shores
one day. When when Trump made a decision to pull out,
I never heard of Asad again. Yeah, I know, they
never became a threat to this nation. We didn't have
to be there like I had been led to believe
up to that point. There's so much of that that

(07:43):
that presidency that opened my eyes after all these years
of what we don't have to do. And so to
hear democrats of all people being hawkish and taking this
comment of why don't the people that want everyone to
go to war, why don't they go face those same
guns and try to twist that the way they had
of It's it's not only a lie, it's a betrayal

(08:04):
over everything they used to communicate.

Speaker 1 (08:06):
Yeah, I wonder how the veterans feel, because you have
a comment, don't you. I mean, And we'll get some
comments later on in the show, because I'd love to
hear from Utah veterans and their reaction to this and
what you know, the President is saying basically, look, you know,
we can send your sons and daughters into war, but
you'll never go there, Liz Cheney, right, And that's what

(08:26):
he's saying. And the Vets are reacting in support of
what the President had to say.

Speaker 2 (08:30):
Yeah, so this is a This is an ex post
from a former marine and that's a sad one. But
he takes Liz Cheney's comment that this is how dictators
destroy free nations. They threaten those who speak against them
with death. That is her contrived narrative of what he said,
which is misconstrued from beginning to end.

Speaker 4 (08:48):
This is what this.

Speaker 2 (08:50):
Veteran says, as one of the marines sent to fight
your your your daddy's war. I just need you to know,
active duty and veterans say this about you and those
like you all the time. We're not petty, vindictive, cruel
or unstable. We're amputated, mangled and stressed and fed up.

Speaker 9 (09:09):
Kay.

Speaker 4 (09:10):
Yeah, stuff it is.

Speaker 1 (09:13):
Yeah, And he's and and he's saying, look it, you know,
don't go after the president for cost man.

Speaker 2 (09:20):
This is a wmpute that writes this. Yeah in that war,
yeah okay. And so for him to send that message,
that's that's the real discussion we should be having about
these wars that keep happening all the time.

Speaker 1 (09:32):
And is America now taking care of them? Not very
well from what I hear. All Right, we've got a
lot to get to and we'll get your reaction to this.
An emotional email that Greg just read. Of course, as
to how that's a Responding to the comments made by
the President and Liz Cheney, she of course calling for
I mean the media. It is fake media outrage, folks,
and you just got to see through it. That's what

(09:54):
this is all about. And they're just trying to create
another diversion. After the jobs report came out to day
that America's economy created you're ready for this, Hold on
to your hats.

Speaker 4 (10:04):
Twelve thousand new jobs.

Speaker 2 (10:06):
Wow, yeah, all right, it's a little less than they were.

Speaker 4 (10:11):
Yeah, a little less.

Speaker 1 (10:12):
Yeah, it is, thank rodin greg Is Friday right here
on Utah's Talk Radio one oh five nine knrs.

Speaker 2 (10:18):
Yeah, you and I have a friendly wager that you
because twenty twenty was such a high voter turnout with COVID.
I you know, Donald Trump receives seventy four million votes
in twenty twenty. I think without COVID he's going to
go north of that number. It's hard to know. I know,
you think that that number has that turnout has a
lot to do with the circumstances around COVID. But sixty

(10:39):
million having already voted, you know, a lot of those
vote on the same day, you know, day of on
twenty twenty. But it'll be interesting to see what voter
turnout is.

Speaker 1 (10:46):
It'll be Could all sixty million of those votes be
for Donald Trump? Yeah, wouldn't that be nice.

Speaker 2 (10:51):
I'm going to just in my head, I'm going to
go to a happy place and say it right now.

Speaker 1 (10:54):
Sixty million to zero. Well, what is the You know,
a lot of talk has been made about gender differences
in this campaign between men and women. We may get
into that in a little while, but also about young
men in this country under the age of thirty supporting
the MAGA movement. What is actually going on? Well, joining
us on our Newsmaker line right now is Daniel E.

Speaker 4 (11:17):
Friends.

Speaker 1 (11:18):
Daniel is a campus correspondent at the Leadership Institute's Campus
Reform Young Voices contributor. He's joining us on our newsmaker
line to talk about this. Daniel, how are you and
welcome to the Roddin Grag Show. Thanks for joining us, Daniel.

Speaker 12 (11:32):
Hi, thank you for having me.

Speaker 1 (11:33):
Daniel, tell us about the appeal of Magna to young
men like yourself. What is the appeal and what do
you think has changed?

Speaker 12 (11:42):
Yes, I think in order to explain the appeal, there's
sort of two reasons why young men are turning trending
towards Trump, and one of them is political and another
one is ideological. And so on the political end, we
see Donald Trump making genuine effort to reach out to
young men UH through podcasts like Joe Rogan, like Logan

(12:06):
Paul and Aiden Ross. And so even with my friends
who aren't necessarily politically in tune, I would uh, they
would come up to me during the day, especially after
the Joe Rogan podcast and.

Speaker 13 (12:18):
Actually, have you watched it yet?

Speaker 12 (12:19):
I'm watching it right now. We shall watch it together.
And so when you when you have Donald Trump actively
UH getting into getting in front of the eyes of
young men, they're more likely going to receive that message.
And Harry's really hasn't done much of that. And I
think that can be explained ideologically almost because when you

(12:44):
look at the opposing ideologies between UH conservatism and UH
leftism that we see so much on college campus today,
if the academic first hand dealers of ideas cannot articulate
a particular vision of what a man should be, what
healthy masculine is, then there's no reason for young men

(13:04):
to support those on the left and those who carry
their ideas into policy, which is you know, which is Harris,
which is.

Speaker 4 (13:13):
What Kamala Harris is.

Speaker 12 (13:15):
And so but on the other end, on the other end,
you have a side that says that masculinity is not
toxic and we're going to outline a policy vision that
will allow you to achieve goals that we will not
demonize you for again, whether it be economically, whether it

(13:38):
be in foreign policy. And so I think that's the
reason why young men are starting to vote Trump more
so than the Kamala Harris. It's not necessarily an animosity
between the animosity against animosity against women, that is feeling
young men voting for voting Republican.

Speaker 2 (13:57):
So, Daniel, I have a theory. I've got boys there
in the early twenties and and they they follow Barstool
Sports and David Portnoy. I don't know if that's you know,
I don't know if that name is familiar to you,
but that is a sports app and it's a it's
a very popular website really that revolves around all sports.
But they do veer into the politics. And there have

(14:17):
been attempts to cancel Dave Portnoy by The New York Times.
There's been there's been things where where they have gotten political,
and you can see that that that the tone and
the leaning of of these sports guys is irreverend as
they are have have gone towards the right away from
the Democrats, and it's for a lot of the reasons
you just described. So my question is, Uh, these are

(14:39):
really witty and funny people that like sports and they
and they get into and debates and about different things.
But when they talk about politics, it's pretty insightful as well.
There's a lot of I think good just street smarts
that go on in that in that demographic. Do you
think when they see this campaign, they see at least
the messages that are coming out in Kamala's message and

(15:00):
her depiction of men, what she thinks is a man
when she's campaigning to the male vote, is it Do
you think that it's it's offensive to them or they
can see through it, or is are we just talking
about young guys that actually don't even vote.

Speaker 11 (15:16):
I think that.

Speaker 12 (15:19):
It's offensive to to some, but it's also most men.
They look at the commercials, they look at Tim Walls
playing Madden with AOC and they think that's just a there.
They they think that they young men think that that

(15:43):
these candidates are simply just hidden at the stereotypes instead
of actually digging deep into what healthy masculinity is and
again outlining a policy vision that actually speaks to them.
And so again, when you have Kamala drinking a bit
in a late night talk show, that's just stereotypes and

(16:04):
it goes back to the audio, to the ideological roots.

Speaker 14 (16:08):
Once again, once.

Speaker 12 (16:10):
You have demonized men for the betterment of fifty sixty years,
you say that the activities that young young men engage
in are signs of toxic masculinity. It's going to be
very hard to do a one ady on that on
that sentiment two weeks before in an election to short

(16:30):
some young the young men vote. Now, I would say
one of the worries I have is whether Trump will
be able to make young men show out and vote.
I'm a young man myself, but I'm very politically in tune,

(16:50):
and so you know, I take politics very seriously, and
so it's not hard to get someone like me to
go out and vote before young men in general. We
see that, we see that young woman uh tend to
turn out, tend to turn out, involve more often than
young men, and so the biggest the biggest I would
say issue, or the biggest problem for Trump is not

(17:12):
only to get that support, but also to get the
young men in the polls.

Speaker 1 (17:17):
Well, I know, Daniel, you're probably doing all you can
to do just that. So we appreciate a few minutes
of your time and enjoy the weekend.

Speaker 4 (17:23):
Thank you, Daniel, thank you, thank you for having me.

Speaker 1 (17:28):
On our newsmaker line. That's Daniel e Friends. He is
with the He is a campus correspondent for the Young Voices,
a contributor there talking about men under thirty. I'm voting
for Maggan. Now when we come back, we'll talk about
the real reason men don't like Democrats. That's coming up
on The Rodden Grag Show right here on Utah's Talk

(17:49):
Radio one oh five nine k NRS.

Speaker 2 (17:52):
So what you doing next week? I have I don't
know what happens after Tuesday night. I don't know what
my week looks like. I only know what Monday and
Tuesday look like.

Speaker 4 (17:59):
We have a show to put on on Wednesday.

Speaker 2 (18:02):
Dewey, Yes, I'm not sure yet. I'm not sure yet.
I don't know if I'll be in the right mind.

Speaker 4 (18:07):
I might be ready to do it.

Speaker 2 (18:08):
I might be celebrating, but you might have to scrape
me off the floor. I have no idea. I thought
I did, I thought I knew.

Speaker 1 (18:15):
But you know, well before the break, if you weren't listening,
we had a wonderful, wonderful conversation with a young man.
I think he attends Syracuse University, which is far from
my home in upstate New York. But he talked about
the attraction of men under thirty to the MAGA movement
and to Donald Trump. But there's a you know, there's
a real debate, Gregan. We'll talk about this a little
bit later on. You know, there's so much discussion about

(18:38):
the gender rates. The sex election is the term I
heard today, between the difference between men and women. But
as you pointed out, all there's always been a gap
in elections between how women vote and how men vote.
So what's the big deal this year? And the question
is what is it about? What's the real reason that
we're talking about men not liking Democrats? Let's find out.

(19:00):
Our next guest joining us on our Newsmaker line is
a ghost may Rah. He is the senior editor of
The Everyman, a contributor at the Federalist to Ghost, how
are you welcome back to the Roden greg Show. Great
to be with you, a ghost.

Speaker 15 (19:12):
I'm doing well, Thanks for having me.

Speaker 1 (19:14):
All right, what is the difference. What is the real
reason that men don't like Democrats?

Speaker 4 (19:18):
A Ghost?

Speaker 15 (19:20):
Well, you know, I look passed the messaging and I
think it's just the coalist and a Democrat that's mainly
become feminized. And then you got to ask the question, well,
what kind of feminized? And I think it's the progressive
feminine culture that is really repelling men and kind of
making women adopt ideas that are not good for attracting

(19:41):
people to their movement.

Speaker 2 (19:43):
So, if I could put it in a microcosm, this
is the way I would describe it. It's the bud
Light commercial.

Speaker 14 (19:48):
There.

Speaker 2 (19:49):
You had some female executives at Budweiser that said, we
have to get this beer not to be such a
frat boy beer. And so they had a guy, the
transgender guy that did the commercial. And then I've never
spotted a bud Light beverage being drunken being the beverage
of choice ever since. There was a major, major recoil

(20:09):
when that campaign ad came out. Is that accurate? Do
you think do you think that the way they tried
to push bud light and the new commercial and the
new messaging was sincerely offensive not just to men and
young men, but just to people in general.

Speaker 15 (20:27):
Yeah, I mean I'd probably be a little cruder. I mean,
men are attracted to real women. You know, you said,
trying to a trans woman to advertise your beer. I
mean it's a turnoff to say the least. And I mean,
you know, prior to that time, when you advertise beer
to men, you you attracted them with attractive women, not

(20:48):
with you know, kind of woke signaling and a trans
trans woman.

Speaker 4 (20:54):
I've been thinking about this as well.

Speaker 1 (20:56):
I mean I heard the phrase the other day, and
you know, they talk about Doug m Hoff, the second
gentleman who is the wife of Corus or the husband
I should say, whoops of Kamala Harris. And here you
have them praising this guy. Yet here's a man who
impregnated his nanny during his first marriage and reportedly slapped
around his girlfriend at one time. I mean, how can

(21:18):
they justify him as a wife guy.

Speaker 15 (21:22):
Well, I think the issue is differentiating between inclusion and involvement.
Doug m Hoff is included in this coalition. He has
something to offer, which is his vote, his influence, his money,
his class, but he's not involved in the movement. All
the decisions are made on the female side. And so

(21:43):
I think when women and the Democrats are trying to
attract men to their movement, they're trying to just get
their vote, but they don't actually have a space for
men to join. And so I think that's understood. It's
just a very transactional kind of thing. I think Doug
Evcov works on a transact level. He offers these types
of goods, but as a person he's pretty awful. But

(22:07):
that's that's irrelevant because you know, the future is female
and all that.

Speaker 2 (22:12):
So I asked our last guest, and I'll ask you
there's a there's a movement. I mean the poll show
or the or the survey show that young men thirty
years of age and younger. I think it's been seventeen
points difference in terms of and not going away from
the Democrat Party or not identifying as a Democrat. So
I think there's a little acceleration. I think young people

(22:33):
as a voting block would have included men and women
more until just recently. You have the immersion of some
of these like Barstool Sports and some of these apps
where you have these really I think witty and insightful
debates about sports. But they have also taken some of
the politics of our time and they've delved into that.
And I when I listened to it, I have two

(22:53):
young young sons that in their early twenties, So I
get I get this, I'm around it a little bit.
But it looks like they they are offended by or
they they're not really embracing the Democrats image of you know,
toxic masculinity and that men have to be more more
effeminate to be more understanding. And there seems to be
some even outwardly discussion and expression about that. Do you

(23:16):
see any of that, because what I worry is that
is this a block that actually votes. Are they going
to vote in November and reflect what they're saying in
these discussions or is that a is that a group
we can look to that's saying, look, we're not going
to buy into the Democrats narrative in a meaningful way
come election time.

Speaker 15 (23:35):
Well, the sentiment is definitely there. I mean, and the
students that I teach, and you know, in my relatives
that are of that age group and cohort, they're put
off by all this. I mean, they can easily see
through the pandering. They can you know, see the authenticity
of I think the MAGA movement and just like role
model male role models that that's presented there there are

(23:57):
no male role models and then the progress of movement.
So I mean, whether that translates the votes, I mean
remains to be seen. I think you do have a
very online crowd and so that that influences things as well.
And I mean they're largely single, so I think this
is something to think about. I mean, this is what

(24:18):
got me thinking. It's like, Okay, men are not drawn
to this, Well what do men like? They like women,
and they like women that make themselves accessible, women that
are attractive, women that offer something good and they you know,
they can build something with men. So men are not
going to build anything with progressives. They're not going to
build anything with democrats, you know. So no, I mean

(24:41):
I hope that it translates the votes. I hope that
they see that their opportunities are being lost and limited
because you know, progressives have like made women kind of
put women on a higher level of the intersectional totem
pole and you know, this is going to cost them
a job, This is gonna like a decent living, you know. So,

(25:03):
I mean, I hope it translates the votes, but sentiment
is definitely there, and I think there's a lot of
frustration among young men just not being again involved, not
just included, but involved.

Speaker 1 (25:13):
Yeah, it goes to you write in your article as
well about the role of Christianity and the role it
played a long, long time ago and how it may
apply today.

Speaker 4 (25:22):
Can you explain that a little bit?

Speaker 15 (25:25):
Yeah, I thought this was an interesting parallel. So in
the early Church it was mainly women. It was the
earliest converts to Christianity were women because Roman society, the
pagan society, was so misogynistic, sexist, and oppressive towards women
that they found a lot of liberation and status in
the Christian Church. And then they were told to go

(25:46):
and evangelize and marry pagan men and then have Christian children.
And so you know, again, how are they able to
attract the men and bring them over into this church community,
into this Christian community. And we didn't do it by
offering worldly goods. They did it by becoming virtuous people
and attracting them and swing we can be faithful partners.

(26:08):
We have a space for you, we can build something together,
as opposed to proposing this kind of transactional thing. And
the other interesting parallel is this abortion. It's funny that
back in those days, you know, taking women were expected
to abort their children, and there were sex selective abortion
and a lot of women died through this process because

(26:29):
of the healthcare, of medical care and all that. So
even today, it's just interesting. It's like, oh, they like abortion.

Speaker 16 (26:36):
You know.

Speaker 15 (26:37):
Women are told to kind of worship this and prioritize
it above everything else, and this is supposed to enable
them to offer all these worldly goods, but in fact
it's just a way to kind of displace men and
again offer them those space in this kind of community
that or this movement that they're trying to make.

Speaker 2 (26:56):
Yeah, you know what, I'm just sitting here listening to you,
and I think I'm a product of what you what
you've just described. I think my mother was a convert
at a faith and she brought faith into my life.
And I think I had a girlfriend and their family
that really were a big motivating factor for me to
be a missionary at one point, I think I'm having
a life moment right now. You're just You're just opening
my eyes to how persuasive women they can. They can

(27:19):
put some church in you, you know, get some relations
a little bit.

Speaker 15 (27:23):
It's something for Christians to think about too. I mean again,
you know, we want men in the church, and you know,
how do you bring men into the church? Welld men
want to have a partner, you know, they want to
have a soul name, and so I think women need
to see themselves in that in that role. This is
the way they can really kind of build up what
they're trying to work for instead of trying to be

(27:43):
girl bosses and trying to compete and trying to kind
of deny a lot of these goods that empowered them
in the first place. So yeah, I mean yeah, I
think this works on a lot of levels, but on
a political level as well.

Speaker 1 (27:55):
It's great conversation, fascinating. Thank you, Thank you for your
time and enjoyed the weekend. Thank you a goos.

Speaker 15 (28:00):
Yeah, thanks for having me have a good weekend.

Speaker 1 (28:02):
All right on our newsmaker line. That's the Goost may Raw.
He is a contributor to the federalist talking about the
real reason men just aren't into Democrats. Some interesting interesting
points he makes. I think, Greg, yeah, I like it.

Speaker 2 (28:14):
I do. I think it's and I think it's true.
I think, you know, there's a lot of guys that
you know, they're they're wild, and then they find it,
I find a girl in their life that kind of
shapes them up a little bit, and that's uh. I
think that's it. That's that least is a familiar narrative.

Speaker 1 (28:28):
Happened for me, happened in my case too, exactly you
all all admitted happened in my case too. Yeah, you know,
she found me, she straightened me out, she did. She
slowed me down a little.

Speaker 2 (28:39):
Hot Rod Arquette was running around there and he was
you couldn't control the guy, and he found a good
l e s girl just shaped him.

Speaker 4 (28:46):
Up, shaped me up.

Speaker 2 (28:47):
It's true. And that's that's actually a true story.

Speaker 1 (28:49):
And on top of that too, she was a farm girl.
Never messed with farm girls. I tell you what, never
messed with farm girls.

Speaker 17 (28:56):
My name is Rod, and I like to party.

Speaker 1 (28:59):
That was you was you got a good That's true,
that's true. All right, more coming up, we're sharing way
too much? Am I more?

Speaker 4 (29:08):
Coming up?

Speaker 1 (29:09):
Rod and Greg, you're on Utah's talk radio one O
five nine k n r S. I wonder how many
Utahns have already voted?

Speaker 2 (29:16):
I think you said you have you seen the numbers?
It was about a third of votes, about a third
of them, yeah, or I can't remember the number, but yeah,
there's it's about a third of the expected total and
has arrived here in Utah.

Speaker 4 (29:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (29:30):
Good, good, good. Got a caller on the line. Let's
go to him right now. Greg Is and Logan tonight
here on the Rotten Greg Show. Greg, how are you?
Thanks for joining us tonight. Good and we're doing well.
Thank you.

Speaker 16 (29:44):
I've got some concerns about this rifle, this rifle thing
that the Democratic Party is turning completely out of context.

Speaker 1 (29:55):
Now you're talking about Donald Trump's comments on Liz Cheney.
Uh huh, share your kid.

Speaker 16 (30:00):
Yes, I am. And in nineteen sixty eight, I was
drafted into the army. One year later, I was sent
to Vietnam along with my brothers. We had at least
nine weapons or more aimed at us all the time.
I don't want I don't want my grandsons and young

(30:21):
American boys to go to senseless wars and come home
and boughty bags unless we fight to win. I can
see what Kamala and Liz Cheney you're going to do
to our country, and I'm just tired of it. I'm

(30:43):
so tired of the way they take our words out
of context and make them seem like it's poor Liz
Cheney and all them that are being aimed at.

Speaker 1 (30:52):
Yeah, I'm with you on that, Greg, and I hope
Immediate see right too. And you can see how emotional
this is for some people. It really is an emotionally.

Speaker 2 (31:00):
Well, it's it's so wrong to take his point about
these warhawks that are just more that are just frankly
too willing to put our men and women in harm's
way in these overseas conflicts, in these and these wars,
and then on top of that profit from it the
way they do, and that's from the Eisenhower Military industrial complex,
which every one of these people somehow end up doing.

(31:23):
That these are these are sincere, heartfelt and valid issues,
and for them to take that comment from from Trump
and twist that into something that was never meant to be,
it's it's actually, it's such a contrived, Uh, interpretation. It
literally is talking points that they sent out very quickly
to try and accuse him of with very few words

(31:44):
of what he said, to create a misinterpretation. And it's
it's offensive to it's just as you heard from our color.
It's offensive to hear that interpreted that way.

Speaker 1 (31:54):
And and there is not a there's not a media
outlet other than Fox right now, Greg that are trying
to put his comments in context, how what he actually meant.
We can see that, I mean, you and I were
somewhat smart, not the brightest people in the world, maybe,
but we can listen to that and say, oh, we
know exactly what he's talking about. He's not calling for

(32:15):
the execution of Liz Cheney. He's not calling for her
to stand in front of a firing squad, put a
put a gun in her hand. And they the warhawks,
he says, they, Well, what firing squad gives the person
they're shooting at a gun? I mean, there's just no
sense to their interpretation. If you listen to what he says.
They there, it's just again, it's blather, it's it's contrived,
it's not real. And now you have an attorney general,

(32:36):
a Democrat.

Speaker 4 (32:37):
General what's going on in Arizona.

Speaker 2 (32:40):
Breaking news in Arizona. The attorney general, the Democrat attorney
general in the Arizona is saying that he is looking
at criminal charges against don Donald Trump for those comments,
for death threats, for alleged to those threats made, and
that again, they must you must be doing really well
in Arizona for them to come up with such a
farce headline and even assertion that they're going to try

(33:02):
him criminally. But is this one of those moments again
that we say, Okay, all you end up doing is
creating more determination and resolve to support Donald Trump and
make sure he gets elected. Because you're out of your
minds and what you're willing to say and what you're
willing to accuse people of is just fundamentally wrong. And
when you're done with him, we full well know you'll

(33:23):
come for us.

Speaker 4 (33:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (33:24):
I mean, if you go after your guy is powerful
and as well off as Donald Trump, and you're willing
to do all this to him, We're just we're decimal
dust out here. We're nobody's well, they'll come after us next.

Speaker 1 (33:36):
Well, what Donald Trump would say, and I think is
what a lot of people believe. Greg if you have connections,
if you're a powerful man. You know, if your father, mother,
member of Congress, powerful businessman, you aren't going.

Speaker 4 (33:47):
To be called to go to war.

Speaker 1 (33:49):
Yeah, okay, this has been a point average American. Those
young men are in Vietnam. You know, the rich and
famous didn't go to Vietnam. It was the average American.
And those are the people that Donald Trump is speaking
to with this comment.

Speaker 2 (34:02):
In my opinion, he absolutely is. And this has been
a point of contention for Queen Bee and my in
our marriage and our family. She has talked about this
for years and years that it's amazing she never sees
these members of Congresses in presidents who make all these decisions.
She never sees their kids ever there. And so she's
brought this up over over net and Yaho's kid is
in Miami in a nice condo. She just showed me
this about two months ago. Kids in the coma while

(34:24):
they're while they're they're fighting their war. She she thinks
that nett In Yahoo's son ought to be fighting too.

Speaker 4 (34:30):
Good point.

Speaker 1 (34:31):
All right, We've got so interesting news about the Washington
Post today, and then we want to get your reaction
to what the President has been accused of saying I
should say the former president coming up in the five
o'clock ally stay with us.

Speaker 2 (34:44):
In every race from the top of the ticket all
the way down. By the way, I mean, it's all
these races count you. We've got to win the Senate
we have. It looks like that's a that's a real
possibility for Republicans. They I love the discussion about having
a different type of Senate majority leader a lot.

Speaker 4 (35:00):
Hopefully Mike get successful. Likely it's successful.

Speaker 2 (35:03):
Anyway, So we just have from talk from president down.
There are so many important races, and even our local legislature,
legislative races, they are also critical. So we'll be here
on Today's a big day, big big day. I'm Rod
our chat along with and it is I think Rod
and Greg is Friday here in Utah's Talk Radio. We'll
get into the the big lie coming now from the

(35:25):
Harris campaign and the uh the legacy media about Donald
Trump calling for the execution I laugh when I say
the execution of Liz Chaney.

Speaker 1 (35:35):
We'll get into that in a minute. But it's been
a rough couple of weeks for the Washington Post. Greg
couldn't happen to a nicer newspaper.

Speaker 2 (35:42):
You know, I can't figure them out. I'm thinking that
Bezos is seeing the polling. He thinks Trump's gonna win
because he's he's decided that their paper is not going
to endorse the candidate's first time. They haven't done it.
They've had mass resignations inside that newsroom because of it.
He does sense that nobody is taking the mainstream media
series anymore, and he's correct. Yeah, he feels like long

(36:02):
form podcasts and alternative media sources are driving sentiment in
this country. No longer the paper light that he bought
and spent a lot of money on and has to,
you know it, hemorrhage his money every year he has
to subsidize. So he's trying to make some changes. And
it's in that spirit where they have a they like
a broadcast, is a podcast and Hugh Hewitt, who is

(36:25):
a conservative talk show host, but he is also they
do commentary where it's supposed to be the balls and
strikes of what's going on, giving their insider, their their
commentary about the news. And it didn't go so well.

Speaker 1 (36:37):
No, he got real upset today. It was a conversation
between you Hewitt, Jonathan Cape part who I think is
on PBS every Friday and Ruth Marcus one of their
very liberal columnists, and they were talking about the election
and integrity and talked about what's going on around the
country when it comes to challenges that we're seeing around
the country when it comes to the vote and voting.

(36:57):
Lawns had a case in Pennsylvanian and they brought that
in and had a discussion about that.

Speaker 2 (37:02):
And I just want to point out we spoke about
this yesterday that the true election irregularities and problems that
they have legal teams on the ground, the RNC, the
Trump campaign and coordinated they are finding and litigating in
real time and succeeding. Yeah, and that's a difference that's
different than in twenty twenty. Well, the Pennsylvania case that
they bring up in this interview was actually litigated and

(37:25):
to the favor that they did in fact close the
early voting down too early. And the judge says, not
only are you going to get the extra day you're asking,
We're going to let you go to the rest of
the week, gave them three days.

Speaker 4 (37:35):
Yep, yep.

Speaker 1 (37:36):
So hue topic, that's the topic and what hewittt gets
so upset about he finally just says, I've had it.

Speaker 18 (37:42):
Listen to this me or does it seem like this week?

Speaker 4 (37:44):
This is Jonathan Cape the groundwork.

Speaker 18 (37:47):
For contesting the election by complaining that cheating was taking
place in Pennsylvania by suing Bucks County for alleged irregularities.
And this is on top of his continuous assertion and
that if he loses, it's because of cheating.

Speaker 19 (38:04):
Yeah, that's what he's been laying the groundwork for this,
just not in the last week, but in the last
empty young months. No election can be fair unless Donald
in Donald Trump's mind, unless Donald Trump wins it election.

Speaker 17 (38:17):
Well, I just got to say, we're newspeople, even though
we're an opinion section. It's got to be reported. Bucks
County was reversed by the court and instructed to open
up extra days because they violated the law and told
people to go home. So that lawsuit was brought by
the Republican National Committee and it was successful. The Supreme
Court ruled that Glenn Youngkin was successful. We are newspeople,

(38:39):
even though we have opinions, and we have to report
the whole story if we bring up part of the story. So, yes,
he's upset about Bucks County, but he was right and
he won in court. That's the story.

Speaker 19 (38:51):
I'll let you keep going, Jonathan.

Speaker 18 (38:53):
No, I'm just I don't appreciate being lectured about reporting
when you many times you come here saying lots of
things that aren't.

Speaker 4 (39:02):
I will come back back, but.

Speaker 17 (39:05):
I'm done. This is the most unfair election ad I
have ever been a part of. You guys are working,
that's fine.

Speaker 2 (39:12):
I'm done. He gets up and leaves, takes his air
pace out, walks out. Politico reports Later in the day
it was reported in Politico. Hugh Hewett resigns in Washington
Post after storming out of live interview as he should.
He said, this is a campaign ad. This is a
campaign ad. You're doing when when the when the guy says,

(39:33):
it's when when Trump talks about alleged irregularities, after you've
after you've gone to court and the judge is decided
it's no longer alleged. There's been a decision made. It
wasn't an alleged irregularity. It was taken to the judge,
and the judge concurred that they stopped early voting too soon,
and they extended the deadline that is not an alleged

(39:55):
allegation any longer that is adjudicated. It is a fact.

Speaker 4 (39:59):
It is fact. Sure is all right?

Speaker 1 (40:02):
Now, let's go to the news of the day, so
to speak, another fake media. I guess you call it
paranoia out there about what Donald Trump said during an
event last night involving Tucker Carlson. They talked about Liz Cheney.
Tucker Carlson asked the former president what he thought about

(40:22):
Kamala Harris and teeming up with Liz Cheney on the
campaign trail, and he said it was a mistake. Then
he went on to talk Liz Cheney being a warmonger.
And here's how it went down.

Speaker 9 (40:34):
She's a radical warhawk.

Speaker 10 (40:36):
Let's put her with a rifle standing there with nine
barrel shooting at her. Okay, let's see how she feels
about it. You know, when the guns are trained on
her face. You know, there are warhawks when they're sitting
in Washington in a nice building saying, oh, gee, will
let's send let's send ten thousand troops right into.

Speaker 9 (40:55):
The mouth of the enemy. But she's a stupid person.

Speaker 10 (40:58):
And I used to have I have meetings with a
lot of people, and she always wanted to go to
war with people.

Speaker 1 (41:06):
Now, the media jumped on that right away. The headline
on Drudge today, Trump calls for execution of Cheney. That
was the headline. Whatever happened to the Drudge report, I
don't know, but.

Speaker 4 (41:16):
I don't know exists.

Speaker 1 (41:18):
It just goes crazy. But every one of the headlines
on CNN, on MSNBC, all around the country today. Matter
of fact, did you reported a short time ago, apparently
he was in Phoenix making this comment, and the prosecutor,
the county attorney.

Speaker 2 (41:32):
Down there, it's the it's the attorney general.

Speaker 1 (41:35):
Attorney general of Arizona, exploring the possibility of finding charges
against Donald Trump for threatening to kill Liz Chaney, which
he did. No such sort of. I mean this, this
is just going crazy, Greg, It's not.

Speaker 2 (41:49):
It's Reuters reported Trump suggests Liz Cheney should face should
face firing squad for her foreign policy stance. He didn't.
He never said there's no firing squad. You don't give
a gun to someone that's going to be fired upon
in a firing squad. He was saying, she's a warhawk,
Give her a gun, send her into the scenarios that
she is more than willing to send our men and

(42:10):
women in this country into That's what he was. That's
a point he made, and he made it as probably
as brash as the con as the concept is. I mean,
if it makes you uncomfortable to hear how he talks
about it, it's an uncomfortable topic to think about our
generation of these veterans and what's happened to them, and
to wonder did we actually need to be in that

(42:30):
conflict forever? For twenty years in that conflict, and then
to see the Chinese and a profit from this and
all these generals that go on to become contractors for
these you know, these military contractors to build all these things.
It's Eisenhower warned us as if orch star general and
president of the United States warned us that there is

(42:52):
a military industrial complex, and that was in the fifties.
I'm telling you, we're seeing it now. And these hypocritical
democrats know darn well what he was talking about, because
this is what they used to warn people about.

Speaker 1 (43:03):
Yep, yep, they it is. Oh really, oh, we're getting well,
all right, what's that? He was just sending me a
note on let's see, uh, let's see this a CNN
contributor takes back Cheney firing squad quip I was wrong,
So a CNN contributor.

Speaker 2 (43:23):
Start, all of them better start saying that, because that
Acosta guy started that in that one interview we heard
they need to take this back because it is just
absolutely offensive, and we heard that caller. It just just
breaks my heart to hear him talk about this and
to hear how they take a real sentiment he has
and twist it into something that is it was never
meant to be. It's just unreal.

Speaker 1 (43:43):
Donald Trump has the courage, Greg and you won't find
any other politician out there in this country who is
willing to say what is on the minds of a
lot of American people and a lot of American people.
And I'd love to hear from veterans on this, love
to hear from people who went to war. But a
lot of people say, wait a minute, you big fat

(44:03):
cats in Washington who are making money off this, are
sending our sons and daughters to war so that you
can make some money. And that's what Donald Trump was saying.
He said, what if you, Liz Cheney had to go
into war and stand in front of nine rifles facing you,
what would you do? And that's what's got everybody so upset.
How dare he say that? Well, guess what he said,

(44:25):
what exactly is on the minds of many Americans. They've
felt this for a long time. Our sons and daughters
go to fight your wars so you can stay in
your comfy place in Washington and make a lot of
money off your military contract.

Speaker 4 (44:38):
This that's all he was saying.

Speaker 2 (44:39):
Know this about the regime media, Liz Cheney is the victim,
not you, not your family members, not the people that
have seen war, not the people that have suffered. They're
They're not the victims. Liz Cheney is somehow the victim
of that point he made. And I think that ought
to be the moment that the American people just say, Okay,
we now know that there is just no interest in

(45:01):
even pretending to share something accurately. They are just depending
that no one actually hears his whole quote. Yeah, they
hope if you ever hear it and then hear how
they've described it, the only I or you will feel
is towards those that are reporting it so far that
this false narrative the way they are.

Speaker 1 (45:18):
Well, we'll play it again for you if you haven't
heard it as of yet, but we'd love to get
your comments on this eight eight eight five seven eight
zero one zero eight eight eight five seven eight zero
one zero on your cell phone dial pound two fifty.
From what you're hearing today, we'll play this again. Do
you think Donald Trump is advocating a firing squad for
Liz Cheney? Will get your comments coming up right here
on the Rod and Greg Show and Utah's Talk Radio

(45:41):
one o five to nine knrs.

Speaker 2 (45:43):
They're going to frame everything as if they are the victim,
not the everyday American people, these men and women that
have seen war and have gone through this, and that
they the Cheney and warhawks. There was more than just
her that he was talking about with Tucker Carlson. Are
more than willing to put our men and women in
conflict all over this world and that means nothing to them.
And the only victim in that whole discussion of warhawks

(46:06):
is Lis Cheney. It is the most it's probably the
most offensive thing because we're rolling out the different lies,
are telling about, you know, alleged irregularities when the judge
is already ruled that it was wrong and he's corrected it.
Those things are offensive, but this one, to me, hits
a new level because it disgraces our veterans.

Speaker 1 (46:24):
Well, the former president is standing by what he said.
He was on the campaign trail today. Before we get
to your phone calls, i'd like to hear let you
hear what his reaction to the fake media outrage that
is taking place.

Speaker 20 (46:39):
He kills people she wanted to, even in my administration,
since she was pushing and we go to war with everybody.

Speaker 12 (46:46):
And I said, if you ever gave her arrival, let
her do the fighting.

Speaker 4 (46:50):
If you ever do that, she wouldn't be killing too.

Speaker 20 (46:52):
Well, I will tell you right now, but she's a
warrible go kill kids unnecessarily, And if she had to
do it herself and she had to face the consequences
of battle, she wouldn't be doing it. So it's easy
for her to talk, but she wouldn't be doing it.

Speaker 1 (47:08):
Yeah, I mean that's a great response for the former president.
Give her a rifle, let her go fight this. She
wouldn't be doing it.

Speaker 4 (47:14):
Eight eight.

Speaker 2 (47:15):
So many people have made that point over the years.

Speaker 1 (47:17):
Yeah, eight eight eight five seven eight zero one zero
on your cell phone dial pound two to fifteen, say Hey, Rod,
we'd love to get your reaction to the fake media
outrage that is taking place today and what do you
think of what the President had to say last night.
Let's go to the phones. We begin here in Salt
Lake City with Jim. Jim, how are you welcome to
the Rod and Gregg Show.

Speaker 9 (47:37):
Thanks for taking my call.

Speaker 14 (47:40):
I want to begin with for three years, they lied,
lied about President Trump, that he colluded with the Russians.
Ever since then, I have not believed the mainstream media
and I've been rewarded for it because everything that they

(48:00):
say basically is a lie or has been a lie.
When you compare the mainstream media with Fox News, everything
is the exact opposite. Fox News gives the gives the
news correctly. Liz Cheney, Liz Cheney is She's a She's
a nothing. She was reputed by her entire state of Wyoming.

(48:25):
I mean, just throwing out the office. She was on
the January Sister Committee where she lied and lied and
lied and lied. She stood up there and talked about
that and just like and her dad, Dick is a dick.
I mean he really was. I mean he turned out

(48:47):
to be a piece of trash. Yeah, And I tell you,
Liz Cheney, whatever she says or whatever she does, just
do the opposite and you're much better.

Speaker 4 (49:00):
All right, Jem.

Speaker 1 (49:01):
We appreciate your phone call on that, but I think
that's the sentiment of a lot of people like you, said, Greg,
I wonder how veterans who went to Iran and went
to Iraq feel about these comments being made by the
former president about Liz and Dick Cheney. Let's go back
to the phones. Shelley is on I fifteen, did I Shelley,
Welcome to the Rod and Greg show.

Speaker 13 (49:21):
Hi.

Speaker 21 (49:21):
I just wanted to make mention of the effects on
extended family. My son went into the Army right after
nine to eleven in January, after he was in basic training.
He's been deployed six six times to Iraq, in Afghanistan,
and he's been shot. He's got a purple heart, he's
got a bronze star, and he is a command sergeant major,

(49:44):
a real command sergeant major, not like Walt.

Speaker 14 (49:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 21 (49:47):
But the effects on the family. I, of course, my
son had lots of things happened to him while he
was on the front lines. He's an Army ranger and
I didn't sleep, I got I have PTSD because of
everything that he went through. And I think if Liz

(50:08):
Cheney had a child who was of the age, she
may be less inclined to go to war if that
child had to go to war and fights, because it's
not a pleasant feeling to have your child over there
and worry about him constantly.

Speaker 1 (50:27):
Well, Shelley, And isn't that exactly what the president is saying.
Would she be as comfortable sending, you know, going to
war herself. That's what the president is saying. He's not
calling for execution, is he.

Speaker 21 (50:38):
Oh, Heaven's no. And I agree completely. They'd love to
take things he says out of context and it's getting
kind of old.

Speaker 1 (50:45):
Yeah, yeah, it is, Shelley. And by the way, thank
you very much for your son's service. Appreciate that you're
pointing that out in your old family. We appreciate it.

Speaker 16 (50:53):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (50:53):
All right, more of your phone calls coming up. Eighty
eight eight five seven eight zero one zero eight eight
eight five seven o eight zero ones. You're on your
cell phone, al pound two fifteen and say, hey, Rod,
what a compelling comment. Again, Greg, These people are saying, Hey,
all the president are saying is look, if she had
to go stand in front of what like Shelley's son
stood in front of Liz Cheney, wouldn't be advocating war

(51:14):
the way HERNERR Dad did.

Speaker 2 (51:15):
I appreciate our callers.

Speaker 1 (51:16):
Yeah, they're really good. All right, more of your calls
and comments coming up. Rod and Greg here on Utah's
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Speaker 2 (52:30):
Is this has been you knowes stating with me, this
whole false accusation. It's just getting more and more. It's
just making me more and more upset because it's not
just taking Donald Trump's words out of context in the
most horrific way. Uh, and in a in an offensive way.
If you're an everyday American, it's who it disrespects at
the same time. Yeah, it's it's I was going to

(52:52):
bring disrespecting at the same time. And that is the
part that I think puts this on a different level
for me as we as we're discussing it on the show.
And I would love for the Just Deserts to be
this was this little news cycle they just created out
of thin air and did this, and this attorney general
out of Arizona, this Democrat Arizona wants a foul criminal
charges on Donald Trump. I wish this there was a

(53:14):
come up in for this, and they pointed to this
right here as the tipping point where we're done this.
You just went after every one of these men and
women in the military and their families when you did
this to what Donald Trump the point Donald Trump was making.

Speaker 1 (53:29):
You made such a good point. I mean, how disrespectful
is this to take the former president's comments. This is
going to be the news cycle all weekend, you know,
the Sunday morning talk shows. Greg this is going to
be talk big number one calling for the execution of
Liz Cheney without any explanation. Now you've already have Jonah Goldberg,
who worked at one time was it to remember was

(53:50):
it The Federalist is a National Review online? But then
went over to CNN. No, he may have been on
Fox News occasionally, but then went over to CNN. Ripped
in to the former president this morning this afternoon, apologizing
because you said my initial reaction from what I heard
was anger. Well, they'd taken the comment out of context, right,

(54:11):
he heard it reacted angrily. Today since after listening to
the whole thing, I apologize I made a mistake.

Speaker 2 (54:17):
I don't think they do that unless they understand that
there's already a recoill going on. I don't think they're
ever that. They're never journalists for real, and they're never
going to admit they're wrong when they're wrong.

Speaker 4 (54:27):
That's true.

Speaker 2 (54:28):
If they're doing that, I'm hoping that the people are
just recoiling appropriately. And if they keep saying it, if
they keep making this false accusation, I hope they're in
a hole, and I hope they keep digging, because I'm
going to tell you that this is it's it is
the quintessential thing we've been talking about during this entire campaign.
These are elitists who don't like America or the people.

(54:49):
They don't They have a condescension about them about you know,
they have to they have to socially engineer our lives
because we're not this whole self determination and freedom and liberty.
We're not good enough or smart enough to feel to
do it. They will. Yeah, And when you he makes
that point about these warhawks, and if the people making
decision had to go face those same guns, would they
still do it? And for them to twist that that

(55:10):
these warhawks themselves are the true victims, forgetting all these
men and women in their families who've gone through all this.
I just think it's for me. It's the worst thing
about this campaign so far.

Speaker 4 (55:21):
Two points.

Speaker 1 (55:23):
Donald Trump was spot on the other day when he said,
you can't lead America if you don't love Americans. That's right,
and I think we're seeing that time and time again
from the Democratic Party. Why do you think they're taking
advantage really hyping this up today? Think about it for
just a second.

Speaker 2 (55:39):
I think it's desperation.

Speaker 1 (55:40):
I think that's I think part of it is the
jobs report that came out today. We created a whopping
twelve thousand jobs last month.

Speaker 2 (55:48):
Bidnomics is really they were one hundred and fourteen thousand
or one hundred and twelve thousand they got, they got
twelve thousand net. And then if you take the if
you were to pull out the government created jobs when
they're printing money, they eight government spending in government jobs.
There's there's a commerce out there that it would tell
you that we're not we're actually in the minus on
jobs and we're actually in a recession. If you take

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government spending in jobs out of the equation.

Speaker 4 (56:11):
Yeah, it's amazing.

Speaker 1 (56:12):
So now there's some news around us surrounding one Elon
Musk today. Great, this doesn't get it's just another amazing story.
This is This shows how nutty it's getting focused.

Speaker 2 (56:21):
Yeah. So so Elon Musk himself, he puts out a
post I think this was let's see it was today.
Put this out today, and he says a lot of
people still don't believe me when I say that that
the Dems will do anything everything in their power to
destroy me if they went. On November fifth, breaking news,
Legacy Media has launched new propaganda against Elon Musk. Elon

(56:43):
Musk was legally permitted to work in the United States.
He held a J one visa, which later transitioned to
a H one B visa. They show the picture newsweek headline,
could Elon Musk be deported for immigration violations? Elon is
facing immigration problems for allegedly working in America without an

(57:04):
employment visa and could be deported. So we are hearing
from Democrats in the leftist regime media that they actually
care about the status the immigration status of anyone. You
got fourteen million people that came over here legally, you
don't care. You don't want to talk about or you
wouldn't want to deport, but you're going to go look
at his J one versus H one B work visa

(57:26):
and deport Elon Musk. That's that's the immigration status that
you're really worried about. Unreal again, beyond the pale, ridiculous.
They're going to go after him and his immigration status. Meanwhile,
we don't have an immigration status they give any care about.
With how many people just.

Speaker 1 (57:46):
Let's go back to the phones. Kyle and bountiful. Tonight
you're on the Rod and Greg Show. Hi, Kyle, how
are you?

Speaker 14 (57:52):
Hey?

Speaker 22 (57:53):
You'm doing okay, Hey, guys, thanks for taking my call.
I just think, you know, Elon Musk could see the
writing on the walls when it came as he started
to be a very smart guy.

Speaker 15 (58:04):
He started to see what the lies that you know?

Speaker 16 (58:08):
And I don't know.

Speaker 22 (58:09):
Note, I don't know if you noticed a trend, but
the trend is to call what used to be the mainstream.

Speaker 14 (58:15):
Media the legacy media.

Speaker 22 (58:17):
And so it's not necessarily as mainstream as it used
to be. And I think that the younger generation are
getting their information online and through social media, through X
and so forth, these platforms where they're actually getting the truth.
So my point is is I believe this, this is
going to go down as another hoax like the Very

(58:39):
Fine People hoax that the media, the mainstream or the
legacy media tried to push on us.

Speaker 14 (58:45):
You know, I agree.

Speaker 2 (58:48):
I just need the incubation period on this hoax to
be immediate. We just can't wait for us to know,
you know, to get to the full quote in that
Charlottesville quote and call it out. I hope when we
say here on a Friday to a Tuesday where the
election ends, you know, on Tuesday, we hop yeah, I want,
I hope that the reaction to this is swift and

(59:09):
that they rebuke Harris and this regime media for what
they're trying to do right now, because this shows that
there are no there's no limits, and they do hold
America and Americans in the in contempt. It's it's it's so.

Speaker 1 (59:24):
Anyway, Well, look at look how fast things have a Kyle,
the news cycle, Greg. I mean, the garbage comment didn't
last very long, did it?

Speaker 7 (59:32):
No?

Speaker 1 (59:32):
No, it didn't last very long. The fact that if
women like it or not, I'm going to take care
of them, that didn't last very long. That got spun
around real fast. Now we have today, and all of
a sudden, you've got at least one member of CNN
apologizing for the comment that was made, saying, I didn't
see the whole, the whole comment that the former president made.
Now that I've seen it, I was wrong. I reacted

(59:54):
too swiftly, which happens a lot anymore.

Speaker 16 (59:56):
It does.

Speaker 2 (59:57):
And I'm going to tell you you don't like the
words or the way he described it?

Speaker 23 (01:00:00):
Was it two?

Speaker 2 (01:00:00):
Was it too harsh? Well, that's what these soldiers are facing. Yeah, okay,
what's really harsh is what these soldiers are living through
and their families are living through. That's what's harsh. If
you don't like the words he used, then you should
really not like how willing some people are to engage
our men and women in the military into foreign conflicts
and the frequency that they would have liked.

Speaker 1 (01:00:21):
Yeah, all right, more of your comments and calls coming
up here on the Rod and Greg Show. Thanks for
being with us on this Friday afternoon. Eight eight eight
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fifty and say hey Rod.

Speaker 2 (01:00:44):
So back to our callers, smartest people in all the land.
Let's go to Scott and Garland. Scott, thank you for holding,
Thank you for joining us on the Rodding Greg Show.

Speaker 13 (01:00:54):
Copy a un mitigated Bovine Siegel hyperbole.

Speaker 2 (01:00:58):
Oh that was beautiful.

Speaker 4 (01:01:00):
That was very nice. Good job.

Speaker 2 (01:01:02):
I was trying to write that down.

Speaker 13 (01:01:05):
Yeah, that Dick Cheney doesn't he put the dick in ridiculous.

Speaker 2 (01:01:10):
Ridiculous is correct.

Speaker 9 (01:01:14):
Thought.

Speaker 13 (01:01:16):
Dicky and Timmy on a skeet shoot together.

Speaker 1 (01:01:19):
Ye, well see one would shoot a djo at the
other and the other one wouldn't know how to load
the gun.

Speaker 2 (01:01:26):
Yeah, they do deserve each other that way. It's a
level of incompetence.

Speaker 13 (01:01:31):
I wanted to get your opinion on something because you know, uh,
sometimes mister Trump doesn't word things, you know, like everybody
thinks he should. I wonder, I just want to what
you guys thought if he'd if he had worded that
a little differently, if it would have avoided the outrage
that being sad, So I kind of believe he does

(01:01:54):
it on purpose.

Speaker 2 (01:01:55):
Well, I people, Scott, I like the question I really
doing this is why? Because I do think in a
way you're correct if he if so, I think we
played his comment where he's being asked about what he
said with Tucker Carlson last night, and he does frame
it differently, and he does walk people through it more,

(01:02:16):
you know, judiciously, and that's fine. I do think he
did it on purpose last night because I think what
the way he described it was disturbing, because what's going
on is disturbing, and I think that there was an
intention there to say, if if the description of having
because guess what, soldiers have guns pointed at them and yes,
even their faces. I mean, this is really what happens

(01:02:36):
in war, and if he was describing the fate and
the and the what happens to soldiers that are deployed
and it's in a way that we think is unsettling
or or we don't like that. The whole that I
think that was what he was trying to say is
that it's really easy to be a warhawk. But this
is what there this is what we're doing to these
men and women in the military, and they are having

(01:02:58):
guns pointed at them, and they're and we are deploying them.
And he did give examples of how willing the people
around him wanted to stay in Assyria or Syria wanted
to stay in some of these places around the world,
or go into some areas around the world. And so yeah,
I think both are true. I think he said it
in stark terms because it is a start. It's a
terrible situation, and I think he walked it through a

(01:03:20):
little more judiciously.

Speaker 1 (01:03:21):
Today Donald Trump is called the blue collar billionaire. Correct. Yes,
he deals with blue collar people or he has all
his life. He knows how he's saying it. He understands that.
I mean, he is not That's what people like about
Donald Trump. He's not a politician who has all the
key talking points out there. Donald Trump says what's in
his heart and in his mind. And I don't care
how he says it. But he said what needed to

(01:03:42):
be said last night, and I'm not bothered by it
at all. Let's go to Corey in Sandy tonight here
on the Rodden Greg Show. Hi, Corey, how are you.

Speaker 14 (01:03:52):
Rod?

Speaker 4 (01:03:52):
How are you doing doing well? Thank you? Coreg. He's
doing okay. I'm sorry, he ain't doing okay.

Speaker 24 (01:04:00):
So I think the two of you need to take
up a new charge in life real quick.

Speaker 16 (01:04:05):
Here.

Speaker 24 (01:04:07):
We need to push a class action lawsuit that all
of us concerned citizens could join in and do something
similar to what Donald Trump's doing with CBS in the
lawsuit about misleading the public at large.

Speaker 14 (01:04:20):
It's sad that this is happening over and over and over.
So many friends of mine have no.

Speaker 11 (01:04:26):
Idea of what's really happening because they listen to and
watch only the mainstream media and they get a completely
fabricated story. Yeah, who could run this or who could
find a point on this? I would contribute a hundred
and I know I probably have fifty friends that would
do it as well. I know that's a drop in
the bucket, but boy, if we could do that, I
wonder how many people would join in.

Speaker 1 (01:04:48):
Yeah, my guess would be there's a lot of people
who would join in on something like that, because you're right, career,
I think people are just simply sick and tired of it.

Speaker 2 (01:04:56):
That's right, and I good point. I'd love to talk
about that further because I had ideas for discovery or
something like that, But let's go. Let's go to d
in American Fork d. Thank you for Holy thank you
for joining us on the Rodd and Greg Show.

Speaker 25 (01:05:10):
Hey, how are you guys doing. I hope you can
hear me.

Speaker 4 (01:05:12):
Okay, we can here.

Speaker 14 (01:05:15):
Great.

Speaker 25 (01:05:16):
So I had just kind of a funny thought. You know,
all these little things keep popping up, and Trump did this,
and Trump said that, and how dare him this? And
how dare him that? A couple of things that Biden
had said. And you guys, I listen to.

Speaker 8 (01:05:32):
You guys every day, by the way, but.

Speaker 25 (01:05:36):
He Biden says something and then says something to the contrary,
you know, something bad like this garbage. But yet you know,
so have you ever thought that maybe this big stink
about this Liz Cheney gun thing could be I know

(01:05:56):
this may sound silly, but it could be a conspiracy.

Speaker 16 (01:05:59):
Right.

Speaker 25 (01:05:59):
Nobody once hired Kamala as our next president, including the Democrats.
So they put out this big old saying about him
wanting to shoot her and kill her, and then they go,
we'll see what we made a mistake.

Speaker 1 (01:06:13):
Yeah, I see what you're saying. D. I wouldn't put
anything past the democratic machine. Yeah, it could be a conspiracy.
It could be Joe Biden going say this, say this,
say this, just get her out of it.

Speaker 2 (01:06:25):
I want that to be true, but I worry that
they have too many people that can run the country
and just put her out front. And if they can
get away with it, they will, and.

Speaker 4 (01:06:33):
Then maybe what they're doing right now.

Speaker 1 (01:06:35):
Yeah, all right, another full hour another rodig Right show,
counting up right here on Utah's Talk Radio one oh
five nine.

Speaker 4 (01:06:42):
Can or I stay with us? Can you believe we're
only a couple of days away from the vote?

Speaker 12 (01:06:52):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:06:52):
This is I mean this time. I wonder what I
wonder and what we'll be thinking this time next week,
next Friday, so Tuesday, it'll be the election. We'll have
a few days after the dust will be settling, We'll
have some well most something, don't you think Friday?

Speaker 4 (01:07:05):
By next Friday?

Speaker 2 (01:07:06):
I hope we would.

Speaker 4 (01:07:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:07:08):
I hope it's not chaos. I hope we know something. Yeah,
I pray it's I've been through a little bit of
a rollercoaster this week. I was just having so much fun.
So yesterday was a bit.

Speaker 4 (01:07:17):
Of a I figured something out about you and I
on this show. You ready for this? What I'm kind
of like the steady eddie.

Speaker 2 (01:07:24):
Yeah, I shall give you that.

Speaker 4 (01:07:25):
And you're all over the place.

Speaker 2 (01:07:26):
I do, I look. I live by my emotions. Man,
my heart, my heart was right on my sleeve. I
can't I can't hide nothing today.

Speaker 4 (01:07:33):
It was yesterday.

Speaker 2 (01:07:34):
Yeah, I'm leveling out a little bit.

Speaker 4 (01:07:36):
Your Debbie Downer. Yesterday.

Speaker 2 (01:07:37):
I was very worried yesterday. I'm just starting to I'm
I'm calibrating and calibrating as we speak.

Speaker 1 (01:07:45):
All right, Well, it's great to have you along for
the ride on this Friday. Is Greg just mentioned heading
into the weekend, don't forget to set your clarks back
when you go to bed tomorrow night. But let's talk
more about the election, of course, coming up on Tuesday.
What is the number down great? Sixty million Americans already voted.
That's pretty amazing number, I think right now, pretty amazing number.
But what will Kamala do if, in fact she becomes

(01:08:07):
president of the United States? Scary thought is you're still
on this Holleen's over. You don't have to carry now.
I'm still afraid of all of this. What will happen?
And does she have a plot to change America? Joining
us on our Newsmaker line right now is Dan McLoughlin. Dan,
of course, is with National Review Online, also writing in
the Daily Mail, Dan, thanks for joining us. You write

(01:08:29):
about this plot to change America forever. Dan, Exactly what
is Kamala Harras up to?

Speaker 10 (01:08:34):
Do?

Speaker 4 (01:08:34):
You think?

Speaker 26 (01:08:35):
Well, she won't really tell us, will she. But so
we have a couple of different sources we have to
look at. One is her record as California Attorney general Senator.
One is what she said when she was running for
president in twenty nineteen. Uh, you know, one is the
things that she's put up with and supported from the

(01:08:56):
Biden administration. And then finally there's little hint in her
presidential campaign. But her campaign has been so non substantive
that we have to lean pretty hard on the others.
The biggest thing that alarms me about Harris is her
opposition to you know, her her plans for so called
reform or restructuring of the Supreme Court. And combine that

(01:09:18):
with her hostility to the Senate Philippus there it's basically,
you know, a one two punch of kind of burning
down a couple of the core institutions that we have
to protect, you know, the rule of law and and
and and you know, protect democracy in the States.

Speaker 2 (01:09:36):
So Dan, I believe you, and I think you go
into great detail, even showing her conduct as a senator,
going after and putting on the congressional record basis allegations
against then the nominee at Brett Kavanaugh, Justice Kevanaugh. She
doesn't have a lot of respect for the institution, theres
and that she has been part of the undermining of
the of the public's respect for our Supreme Court. What

(01:09:57):
does this maybe share with our listeners? What do you
see as a stacked Supreme Court? And the only way
to get there, I think would be to get rid
of the filibusters. So it's a one two step. You're
rid of the filibuster. Fifty one votes in the Senate
gets you what you want. If you have the House too,
and now you stack the Supreme Court, what would be
the end goal there other than the destroying our you know,
our institutions along the way.

Speaker 26 (01:10:18):
Yeah, I mean, the end goal really is to bend
the court to the will of the president. And you
know she in twenty nineteen she supported expanding the number
of justices. Now she's behind Biden saying, well, we'll do
it by term limits. You know, it's clear that they
will they will go as big as they can get
away with, because ultimately, you know, a proposal like this

(01:10:40):
doesn't get written by the President. It comes out of Congress,
and there's you know a number of a number of
left wing senators who are pushing for stuff like this.
So whatever it is they come, however it is they
structure it, it will be aimed towards the same single end.

Speaker 4 (01:10:55):
Dan, Can she do any of this if she does
not have control of the Senate? I mean, is it
that critical?

Speaker 2 (01:11:02):
Uh?

Speaker 26 (01:11:02):
No, not right away at least, But you know, it
depends what we're talking about in the Senate. You know,
if you've got fifty one senator, if Republicans come out
of election day with fifty one senators, you know, it
doesn't take a whole lot to flip the Senate. Then
if you've got you know, the wrong person like dyes
or resigns or something, we've seen that happen before, so

(01:11:26):
and then there, you know, then there is the midterm. Obviously,
midterms tend to go badly for presidents, but not always,
so you know, there is definitely a risk that essentially
the only thing standing between her and you know, these
radical proposals might be one vote in the Senate.

Speaker 2 (01:11:45):
So I think that it's it's amazing that the party
and the theme of saving democracy is the party that
it really is undermining our institutions like our Supreme Court.
Is there a way? I don't think any of this
we're discussing right now has been a main theme in
this campaign, you know, in this campaign season. How do

(01:12:05):
we get this front of mind for voters, for just
citizens going forward. We're so close to this election without
regard to who wins, and I'm banking on President Trump,
former President Trump winning, but how do we keep because
this is these are dangerous concepts that are not going
to go away on Tuesday. These are very I mean,
I just think this is not going to go away.
They're going to continue to try it. They're going to

(01:12:26):
want to make Puerto Rico estate, Washington d c. Estate
to increase their ranks in the Senate. How do we
keep this front of mind?

Speaker 14 (01:12:35):
Yeah?

Speaker 26 (01:12:35):
I mean it really I think Republicans have kind of
fallen down on that job. In twenty twenty when there
was talk of court packing, Republicans made it a very
big issue in a bunch of Senate races, and they
won those races. You know, it was a big part
of how they how they won Senate races in places
like Maine, North Carolina, and Iowa. And we really haven't seen,

(01:12:56):
you know, resources put into that argument at this time around,
but it's something that you know, is deeply alarming about
not only what it says about what she might do,
but what it says about her overall attitude towards you know,
the rule of written law.

Speaker 1 (01:13:13):
Don't we already have an example of what she would
do along with Joe Biden in a sense, Dan, because
there have been several court rulings telling the Biden administration
they cannot forgive student loans, but they keep on going
around it and keep on trying to do it anyway.
Is that just to kind of does that kind of
foretell us what may happen if she in fact is
in the White House?

Speaker 26 (01:13:34):
Yeah, I mean Biden bragged about, oh, I'm not gonna
let the court stop me. I mean, we had that
with the eviction moratorium too, where where it was clear
that there was a majority of the court against it,
and Biden more or less said, well, I'm gonna I'm
going to reinstate this and make them rule against me,
because maybe I can buy time before it makes its
way up, you know, up to the court. Knew he

(01:13:54):
knew he was going to lose, he knew he should lose,
and so overall, you know, they repeat essentially admitted they
were doing things they knew they couldn't do.

Speaker 1 (01:14:03):
Dan McLaughlin, writing for the Daily Mail, also with a
National Review online, talking about Kamala's plot to change America.
I tell you if she gets in there, and the
Democrats win the Senate and they have the House, they
have a trifecta, Greg, hang onto your hats.

Speaker 2 (01:14:17):
A president who will have never received a single vote
to become the nominee, and someone who wants to stack
the Supreme Court and h and get rid of the
filbuster and add some states to the flag as well
as to the Democrat column in Puerto Rico and DC.
That would just be wonderful. That would really be a
defense of our democratic republic if I ever saw one.
That would be just phenomenal.

Speaker 1 (01:14:38):
Do you know what scared Do you know what scares
me about if in fact she wins. Well, I brought
up a lot of keeping this concert the legacy media
is going to feel that they control America well, because yeah,
I mean, you know, I mean, that will be another
indication that they are as powerful as they ever have been.

Speaker 2 (01:14:56):
As I said earlier in the show, for them to
pull off a steal this time, we're gonna see it.
It'll be too hard to do it. We saw it
in twenty twenty. They said nothing to see here. Move along.
We were caught flat footed. Everybody's on guard. Every you
got a legal team in every swing state. Between Trump
and the RNC and the conservative organizations, they will get
caught if they try. And if they do and the

(01:15:18):
media says nothing to see her, folks, I'm telling you
we'll be in some I think, some scary times because
it's it's not going to go unnoticed.

Speaker 1 (01:15:25):
Yeah, all right, Coming up as we continue here on
Utah's Talk Radio one oh five nine, canter s have
we seen a different Donald Trump during this election season?
We'll talk about that coming up right here on Utah's
Talk Radio one oh five nine. Canteress start off with
a rally last Sunday at Madison Square Garden where you,
as you appropriately point out, Donald Trump gave a very

(01:15:46):
good speech, but all the attention is focused on the
comedian who is on stage three hours before he.

Speaker 2 (01:15:51):
Went so frustrating.

Speaker 1 (01:15:52):
Then you have Biden, what was it Biden on Tuesday
calling all of Trump's supporters in garbage, garbage and my man.
Then you get into uh what now, Trump saying, well,
women are going to have to do whatever we want
if they like it or not.

Speaker 4 (01:16:06):
The media jumping all over that. The media today is.

Speaker 2 (01:16:08):
Which he didn't say it like Jack, but that's how
they frame it.

Speaker 1 (01:16:11):
Yeah, and that have the the fake media outrage again
today claiming that Donald Trump said last night sitting down
with Tucker Carlson, that he'd like to execute Liz Cheney.

Speaker 2 (01:16:20):
And again, all it, dud is listen why he says.
It's just an absolute baldface lie. And it's it's just
it's there. It's just it's their campaign of joys. That's
how we do it.

Speaker 1 (01:16:29):
But are we talking about any of the issues that
are really important to the American people.

Speaker 4 (01:16:34):
She's not, she's not.

Speaker 2 (01:16:35):
His campaign is trying all about it.

Speaker 4 (01:16:37):
Yeah, true, he sure has.

Speaker 16 (01:16:39):
Well.

Speaker 1 (01:16:39):
Joining us on our Newsmaker line to talk more about
this is Thattius G. McCarter that is a contributor to
American greatness. Always great to have Thatius. On the show, Thattius,
you write about a new October surprise, you talk about
the a positive appeal of Donald Trump. Has he changed
that much compared to the campaigns of twenty and sixteen.

Speaker 23 (01:16:58):
Yes, I think so, I think you and see it
already in the messaging he's putting forward. It's not necessarily comprehensive,
but certainly at the end of many of his ads
we're seeing in swing states such as Michigan, he's talking
about how to rebuild the country, about how do we
can fix the border, how we can again inspire the
world with what a free people can achieve. So I

(01:17:20):
think he's doing that now, and I think that in
a larger context and appeal to the American people would
be the October surprise, because we all know that in
the past you get nothing but negativity and rancor as
you head into the final days of an election. And
we see this actually Rod and Greg out of the
Democratic Party, where the politics of Joey in August have

(01:17:40):
now devolved into the Trump as Hitler in October.

Speaker 2 (01:17:44):
I couldn't agree more here. I agree with everything you're saying,
and I will tell you I think there is an
authenticity and maybe a more personable Trump that we are seeing,
and I think it's his decision. I don't think anyone
said here's the formula that you need to use. I
honestly think that these assessed nation attempts have put a
different uh, have have created different variables for him, and
I think he's sharing maybe a little bit more of

(01:18:06):
himself than he was in the last two campaigns. But
here's my frustration. You know, the Madison Square Garden rally,
his speech is incredibly unifying. It's it is what I
mean his we have the same blood, we are Americans.
But it gets zero coverage. They want to cover the
comedian from three hours prior to him getting on stage.
Will the media even allow the kind of October surprise

(01:18:30):
you're talking about where he is talking with you know,
just as just the leader would speak to the American people.
Would that even penetrate in our media today?

Speaker 23 (01:18:40):
Well, it depends what kind of media we're talking about. Greg,
You know, I mean, the media is a very eclectic group.
It's no longer the three networks and the legacy corporate
print media. And I think that you're absolutely right too
in that I think the brushes with death that Donald
Trump has had. Certainly I think given they would anybody

(01:19:01):
a greater depth of understanding about how time is short
and how to maximize it and what really is important.
And I think I won't want to say the word mellow,
but I do think he's allowed the more humorous, self
deprecating side of himself to show in this campaign, especially
when you think about the McDonald's drive through and when
you think about the garbage truck. I don't think that

(01:19:23):
these are things that he would have done in twenty
sixteen or twenty twenty that he is.

Speaker 1 (01:19:28):
You right about political consultants and campaign managers in your opinion?
In your opinions that is, have the people helping him
run the campaign this year? Are they doing a better
job in understanding who Trump is and allowing Trump to
be Trump?

Speaker 4 (01:19:44):
And is that helping him?

Speaker 16 (01:19:47):
Well?

Speaker 23 (01:19:47):
I think it certainly is. And again, as I put
in the piece, when you're a consultant and you work
for Donald Trump, we've seen how law fair and the
media and others have gone after his lawyers and everybody
else has ever tried to help Donald Trump or anybody
who's ever served in his administration to the elitist, you
become a pariah. Now, if you're smart, you wear that

(01:20:07):
as a badge of honor. And I think the consultants
handling the campaign for Donald Trump, Christlas Avida and Susie
Wiles understand this. It's certainly a much more discipline campaign.
But I think you're absolutely right, too, Rod. Much of
that discipline comes none of the part of Donald Trump,
so much is a part as on the part of
his consultants, who do tend to understand Donald Trump, do

(01:20:29):
know that they're going to be considered parize in the
consult community and don't care and believe this is worth
fighting for that making America great is certainly a worthy
goal of everyone.

Speaker 2 (01:20:40):
That is I've been asking our guests this question, and
I think it applies to this to your article, your
column as well. And that is I swear to you
that this twenty twenty four race feels more like a
campaign of addition than sixteen or twenty And what I
mean by that is RFK Junior didn't wake up in
the beginning of January of twenty four believing he would
be on the stump for Donald Trump. I don't think

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Tulsea Gabbert believed that as well. I don't know that
Elon Musk necessarily thought that. I think you're seeing voting blocks, demographics, people,
leaders that are coming to Donald Trump and into this
campaign that we've not seen in the past. Does that
help further this great point you're making that he is

(01:21:22):
a leader and he can lead this whole country and
do it with the tone of a leader. Are any
of those factors different this time than maybe in the past.

Speaker 23 (01:21:30):
Well, I think you're right, but let's not forget that
the other side has a vote and the other side
has brought abject failure in terms of the policies that
they've implemented through the Biden Airs administration, and so that
has caused other people to look past what was perceived
to be the personality of Donald Trump and look at
the policies of the Trump administration. And they've been given

(01:21:52):
a real choice. You could take the media out of it,
and basically the American people have been able to say, well,
I believe my own eyes, and it's worse now than
it was when Donald Trump was president, and maybe we
should go back and give another four years to see
if you can fix the mess of Democrats that may
and that's leading not just Republicans, not just independence, but
it's also leading individuals such as longtime Democrats to look

(01:22:14):
seriously at their Republican Party. These aren't necessarily Reagan Democrats
like Robert Kennedy Juniors or Tulsea Gabbards. These are people
who were Democrats that come from a different wing of
the Democratic Party, but have seen the abuses that have
taken place with the weaponization of government especially, and they've
seen the failure of the Democratic Party not only to
own up to their problems, but to even try to

(01:22:38):
start to let alone start to address them. So I
think they were seeing addition, but it's also because the
Democratic Party's policies have failed, and again they will continue
to fail if she is elected.

Speaker 1 (01:22:50):
In Novemnattie's final question for you were just a couple
of days away, of course, from the election. On Tuesday,
we have another example of fake media outrage today, Donald
Trum claiming that he wants to execute Liz Cheney. I mean,
in the final few days. How do you see this
coming down that he is at this point?

Speaker 23 (01:23:07):
Well, I don't know if we can stand any more
of the politics of Joey than we're currently seeing the
elation is sweeping me Ala, just in all seriousness. It's
so funny. It just reminds me of the old joke
that the football coach John McKay. He used to coach
the Tampa Tampa Bay Buccaneers right when they started, when
they were an expansion team, and they were terrible. They

(01:23:29):
went on fourteen and so they asked him at a
press conference one time, they said, what do you think
about the execution of your team? And he said, I
support it. So let's take what they say at this
period of time with a grain of salt. We're gonna
need to.

Speaker 1 (01:23:45):
That is McCarter from American Greatness joining us on our
Newsmaker line tonight here on the Rodden Greg Show. I
think he has changed, Greg, And you've really talked about that.
And do you honestly believe that assassination attempt really changed
him that much?

Speaker 2 (01:23:59):
I do.

Speaker 14 (01:23:59):
I do.

Speaker 2 (01:24:00):
He had a very very difficult time just sharing emotional
moments or or just personal moments, and I think that,
uh that that his experience in this campaign and those
assassination attempts has changed that about him. And I think
he's and I because I just can't, as it was said,
in our interviews. I can't see him going to McDonald's.

(01:24:21):
And maybe he would have, and maybe it'd have been
game and in the in the garbage truck and that.
But I just find him to be a little more
circumstance spect and more relaxed for whatever reason, but just
more you're seeing the human side of him that if
you ever met him or were around him, you saw
it in spades, but not when he was on stage
or he was campaigning, you saw much more. You know,

(01:24:43):
you saw the grit of a campaigner and a and
a leader. But he's shown that side of him. He's
a very authentic guy and and that side has come
out in this campaign like not before. And the only
thing I can attribute that to is what happened to
him in the in Butler, PA and outside of mar Alago,
because when I interviewed him here in March here on
this program, when you were in Disneyland, I couldn't get

(01:25:06):
him to talk about his personal emotions or feelings about
having one of those cases thrown out. You don't want
to go there. Yeah, he didn't want to talk about that.

Speaker 1 (01:25:13):
Well, I've seen him in the rallies today. He's out
campaigning again today and during the rallies, he's smiling. He's
very relaxed in the smile or the funn he's having
is not the nervous cackle of Kamala, just not at all.
And it's he has changed, all right. When we come
back our Listen Back Friday segments, we'll talk about all
of us being a bit exhaustive and we're just wore

(01:25:36):
out during this long political season that's coming up right
here on the Rod and Greg Show and Utah's Talk
Radio one oh five nine k NRS. Time now for
our Listen Back Friday segments. We had got some great
discussions this week. One of those discussions was with Denise
gets some Denise is a political contributor on News Nation,
and we talked with Denis during our conversation about exhaustion

(01:25:59):
from politics and way after are people simply wearing out
during this what seems to be a very very long
political season.

Speaker 27 (01:26:08):
Well, I like you, I love politics, and so if
that's any indication of awareness, I'd gladly share that mantle.
But for most Americans, and even in some days especially,
I think in this last week, I think we're all
ready for the ugliness of politics to pass because the
intensity is just so much right now that people are
experiencing anxiety, anxiety at historic heights, you know, and it's

(01:26:31):
so unfortunate that we've gotten to this point in our
political system where that is a marker of what we
can expect to feel. So, you know, there's a lot
of things we can do to tamper down that anxiety
that have to do with the way that we think
about politics and the role of government in our lives,
but it's hard to recall them in the heat of
the moment. So it's definitely understandable that there's fewer of

(01:26:52):
us than there are of them.

Speaker 2 (01:26:53):
Well, you know, John F. Kennedy said that politics is
the only sport for adults, and I happen to agree that,
not to understand, not the demeanor to say it's not
super important, because it is. But I got to tell you,
it does get exhausting. If the rhetoric gets so inflammatory,
and we see we've had an election cycle with two
attempted assassinations on former President Trump, it just gets beyond

(01:27:16):
the pale. And so my family, people that don't follow
politics or involved as much as I have been or
or I am now, it does become something that you
people don't want to be engaged in or a part of.
Do you think in this election, because I think a
lot of the people that don't like politics or don't
trust politicians are find an appeal with Donald Trump and
the way he talks and maybe even his rough edges.

(01:27:38):
Do you think that this election cycle might be the calm?
I mean, well, we just sober up a little bit
and get a little bit better after this election, given
how the madness that we've all lived through.

Speaker 27 (01:27:50):
Well, I'm always hopeful that the holidays help remind us
that we're more than our political affiliation.

Speaker 16 (01:27:54):
You know.

Speaker 27 (01:27:55):
One of the reasons I think that people feel so
strongly about things is because they tend to overidentify in
an unhealthy way with the things that these political parties
have told us we should believe if we identify with
a political party, and I think that whenever we lose
sense of our true identity, which is, as you know,
we do politics, we believe in certain things, but we

(01:28:15):
aren't politics. And I think when we redefine ourselves as
you know, children, as of parents, as friends, as neighbors,
as fellow churchgoers, as all the other things that actually
give us meaning in life, the real meaning, the emotional
meaning that makes life worth living. I think that helps us.
I think the holidays do help us remember that, and

(01:28:36):
I'm hopeful that they switch into high gear real quick
with all of that thinking. But it's not always inevitable.
As we all know, there's a lot of family members
that we love that we disagree with that sit around
us at the table. And actually I have a book
that kind of addresses some of those issues and how
we can navigate those things. You know, one of the
things I think is most important is that we speak

(01:28:57):
the truth and love. I think it's so important that
we speak the truth about how we feel that we
are known for what we stand for, because it's important
that we use our voice. That's what are democracies all about, right.
But at the same time, speaking the truth in love
and humility is something that I think that we can
all do better at, including me, and I do this
for a living.

Speaker 11 (01:29:16):
You know.

Speaker 27 (01:29:16):
There's times when I'm just so convinced that I'm right,
but in fact I don't have the full perspective on
everyone's experience. But it's not only my experience that counts
other people's experiences and perspectives matter.

Speaker 1 (01:29:28):
Too, Denise, I've mentioned this on the ear. I'm not
sure if Greg just agrees or disagrees with me on this.
He may, but I've said there are two factors in
this election this year, and I think one of them
is people are afraid about the outcome of this election.
I mean, I hear from a lot of people on
the right who say, you know, Kamala just scares the
daylights out of them as to what she may do,

(01:29:49):
and of course those on the last who are saying
that Donald Trump is a threat to democracy. How much
is the fear factor do you think playing into this
election this year or is it any different from any
other year.

Speaker 27 (01:30:01):
Oh, it's enormous, because you know, the issues that are
at stake are real and they have enormous weight, people
steeled on both sides of the aisle. I think the
issue is that we have to remind ourselves of is
that it's not existential now. And I say this as
somebody who is a person of faith, I believe that
the government is not God. In fact, only in socialism
is the government meant to replace God. And we don't

(01:30:23):
live in a socialist country think for this, but I
believe that because God is in control, that we can
always trust him and not any human being, any elected official,
to look out for what we need to provide, protect
and really be sort of the leader for us. And
so I'm not saying that our leaders don't matter. Obviously
they do or wouldn't be in this sport of politics.

(01:30:44):
But I do think that the issues that end up
being decided by the person who's elected at the top
of the ticket will also always be balanced, thankfully by
our forefathers who had great wisdom when they put in
checks and balances into the system. And we know that
regardless of what happens on election day, we're going to
have a split government most likely where there'll be Republicans
in charge of at least the Senate, possibly the House

(01:31:07):
as well, maybe the White House, but there'll be some
division where, you know, if we're not going to have
a democratic Senate that's almost certain, and the rest of
the branches, who knows what we'll have. So I just
think that there's a lot of reason to have practical
hope in the way that our system is built. But
also remember that it's not up to the government to
determine how we treat each other at the end of

(01:31:28):
the day, and what we allow ourselves to be subject to.
We carry a lot more responsibility than we actually take
responsibility for in terms of how our lives are governed
in our localities, in our states, and the things that
we can control, and also how we treat each other.
So I think that that's important to keep in mind.
And really, let's not buy into the rhetorics. People are

(01:31:49):
making a lot of money off of our fear and
our outrage economy, and I just think we need to
decide that we're not going to buy into it anymore.

Speaker 2 (01:31:55):
Okay, Denise, I need a life hack. And given that
you've written the book Politics for people who hate politics,
How to engage without losing your friends or selling your soul,
this is your book. I am going to find it now,
but as a life hack and maybe a quick piece
of advice. If it's the holidays and we sit down
with the extended family and I have a relative that
just hypothetically it's as you know, Trump's a fascists, what

(01:32:18):
would you suggest to someone where politics gets entered into
the conversation and a family gathering where you can either
have a constructive conversation or just avoid the argument that
might come from a comment like that, What should I do?

Speaker 27 (01:32:32):
Yeah, I mean, I think there's probably wisdom in not
engaging someone who wants to fight, right, Yes, but I
think that there'll be a time over the course of
that holiday season where you see that person again. And
I think it's important a that we don't take offense,
don't take it personally. They're not talking about you, They're
talking about Trump, right, let's depersonalize it. And then I
think it's important that we ask questions like why tell

(01:32:54):
me why you think that. I've found that whenever we
respond instead of react to the emotions in front of us,
end up with a much more thoughtful conversation and you
might even learn something in the process about why they
feel the way they do. So hopefully that's helpful.

Speaker 2 (01:33:07):
I love that and respond instead of reacting. I always react.
That's my problem. I am reacting all the time.

Speaker 27 (01:33:12):
I know I feel that way too. That's why I
wrote the book as a preaching to myself.

Speaker 1 (01:33:16):
As part of our Listen Back Friday segment, Denise gets
Them political contributor to News Nation, Now, you never get
exhausted with this stuff, do you?

Speaker 4 (01:33:23):
I mean you you could do this three hundred and
sixty five.

Speaker 14 (01:33:26):
I love it.

Speaker 4 (01:33:27):
Every day.

Speaker 1 (01:33:28):
You really get into it that you have trained me
on the polymarkets. You're watching them every day.

Speaker 4 (01:33:34):
Are they doing today?

Speaker 2 (01:33:34):
By the way, have you even looked at time to ask, yeah, okay,
I want to know they're they're fine. I mean, look,
we're still sixty forty.

Speaker 4 (01:33:41):
That's not a but you want to be seventy, You
want like eighty.

Speaker 2 (01:33:43):
I was really get agreed. We were at sixty seven
percent one time, and I said, I'm not happy to
work seventy. Well, now I'm just gonna hang on that
sixty percent.

Speaker 4 (01:33:50):
Sixty percent. That's a good one.

Speaker 1 (01:33:52):
All right, More coming up Listen Back Friday right here
on Utah's Talk Radio one oh five nine can or US.
Let's continue now with our Listen Back Friday segment. We
do this every week. At this time, we look back
at many of the people we've had on the show,
select a couple of interviews that you may have missed,
and play those back for you. You know, we starked
earlier this week as well with Ingrid Jaquez. She is
a conservative columnist on USA Today. She is not a

(01:34:15):
big or was not a big Donald Trump supporter. But
she wrote this week that as a non maga conservative,
the liberals have just gotten to her and she's not
going to vote for Donald Trump. And I asked Ingred
to start with, what changed her mind?

Speaker 3 (01:34:29):
Well, it's just been a long few months. Let's suit
it that right. But no, like I say in my column,
I've really never been a maga conservative. I am more
traditional conservative, and I really don't feel like Trump represents

(01:34:49):
those of us who are more traditionally conservative. But just
between the rhetoric from Kamala Harris herself, her inability to
define what she stands for. She continually cannot answer simple
questions about what she'd do on day one, you know,

(01:35:10):
what would be her top agenda items that would separate
her from President Biden. She can't do it. So there's that,
and she's starting to she's not able to gain the
kind of steam she needs with all the happy vibes

(01:35:31):
and the joy, So now she's turning to much darker rhetoric,
you know, relating Trump and mega supporters to fascists, you
know language we heard back in twenty sixteen. And I
think that that turns off a lot of people. I mean,
I definitely know it turns off me, even to someone

(01:35:51):
who might not love Trump. I think that kind of
a kind of name calling is just very unhelpful. And yes,
it makes someone like me much more interested to vote for.

Speaker 2 (01:36:05):
Him, Angrid, this is a fascinating concept, and we've been
talking about this on the program. But I think we're
observing at least I am, out of the Harris campaign.
I would call it a campaign of subtraction. I don't
think Rfk Junior woke up at the beginning of twenty
twenty four believing he would be endorsing, supporting, and campaigning
for Donald Trump. I don't know that Elon Musk was.

(01:36:26):
I don't know that Tulsea Gabbard was. I don't know
that the majority of the large segment of union workers
would be indicating, even publicly, which was taboo not till
long ago, that they support Trump. Is whether it's the
Latino vote, the minority vote. You're seeing. What I think
out of that Trump campaign is a campaign of addition.
You see a campaign of subtraction out of Harris's campaign.

(01:36:49):
So my question to you is what you're feeling and
what you're saying sounds familiar and I'm seeing that everywhere
from the left. Is there anything about Trump's campaign this
time around that as opposed to sixteen and twenty where
he is more palatable given where the Democrats are, but
where he's also broadened his base of support.

Speaker 3 (01:37:09):
Well, I think that's a really good question, and I
think just if the Pauls are are accurate and what
they're telling us, it really does look like he's making
inroads with working class voters, with black and Latino voters.
These are voting blocks that Republicans don't traditionally do well with,

(01:37:30):
and he's finding a way to talk to them in
a way that resonates. So I give him real credit
for that, and I think he is just with the
folks you just mentioned, from Musk to Tulci Gabbard. I mean,
this is a very interesting coalition that's backing him.

Speaker 14 (01:37:47):
Right now, and.

Speaker 3 (01:37:50):
All the while Kamala Harris is losing support among those groups.
And I think we saw a little bit of Trump's
ability to reach out to new voters in twenty sixteen.
I think that's what helped him win my state of Michigan,
and I think he's doing well here now for similar reasons.

(01:38:10):
With the Union vote and he's speaking a language that
working class voters appreciate, and he's talking to them about
the economy and illegal immigration, whereas Kamala cannot, for the
life of her say what she do to help address
those problems. So I think his message is resonating, and no,

(01:38:30):
I'm off for him building the Republican tent. I think
that's a positive thing.

Speaker 1 (01:38:37):
Ingrid, what do you make of the events over the weekend? Here,
you had Michelle Obama to men, saying women's lives are
worth more than your anger and disappointment, so she's attacking
men again. Then you have this group putting out this
new ad of a Republican congressman stopping a young man
from pleasuring himself while he's watching porn on his telephone.

Speaker 4 (01:38:56):
I mean, talk about desperate.

Speaker 18 (01:38:59):
It is.

Speaker 3 (01:39:00):
Yeah, it is disgusting, and I think it definitely is desperate.
And I think there's been a real tone change in
Kamala's campaign. And I think it is because they're reading
the team leaves here and it's not looking good for them.
So they're going back to what Hillary Clinton did in
twenty sixteen, which is these scare tactics about Trump and

(01:39:25):
what his presidency would mean, and that certainly did not
prove effective for her back then, and I don't see
it being a selling point at all for Harris this
time around.

Speaker 2 (01:39:38):
So I don't think that he has He's become a
that he's moderated his himself to and ERR's positions rather
to create this larger ten. I think he's Connector's and
authenticity about his campaign, good and bad. He doesn't give
anyone any talking points. But if you look at the
rally at Madison Square Garden, maybe some talking points might
have been good for some of the ones that got

(01:39:58):
up there.

Speaker 9 (01:39:59):
I don't know, but it has been.

Speaker 2 (01:40:01):
It was a badge of honor for most of for
most of this campaign that he was not giving people
sheet music they had to sing from. And you saw
this that you do see this strong momentum I believe
going coming his way. On the other side of that,
you see people getting angry and getting mad at anyone
that wouldn't vote for heiris or there's they they suffered
from some moral failing talking about the people that that

(01:40:25):
you you say, look, I'm not a bit I'm more
of a traditional Republican. I always feel like I've always
been a traditional Republican and we're finally reaching people with
the right message to bring them along. Does this Does
this help you and those that might have been really
Republicans but not crazy about Trump? Is this a demographic
that may be growing in Trump's camp as well? Aside

(01:40:48):
from you, Aside from you in your article.

Speaker 10 (01:40:52):
Well, right, and.

Speaker 3 (01:40:54):
There's I mean, let's be honest, there's a lot of
what Trump's proposed that I disagree with as well. Like
I think, for instance, his pledge to significantly raise tariffs
kind of across the board. I think that would essentially
be a tax increase for everyday Americans. But you know,
when he lays out his message, I think it is

(01:41:16):
appealing to the union workers, to while working class folks
in these quote blue wall states like Michigan and Pennsylvania.
It's it's a message that appeals to them. So and
these are the voters he needs to come on his side.
But I think overall, his his stance on the economy

(01:41:37):
and immigration, these are real selling points for him. And
I think the people, the Democrats, the liberals who have
hated Trump, they've hated him since he first stepped on
the scene twenty fifteen, when he came down his elevator.
I mean, they were going to hate him from the beginning,
and I don't think there's much to do about that.

(01:42:01):
But I think it's just it's fascinating to me that
here we are again, you know, with Trump looking like
he could maybe pull this off. I mean, I never
would have saw that coming a few years ago. So
it's it's going to be fascinating to see what happens
next week.

Speaker 2 (01:42:18):
It's going to be awesome, Ingrid, I promise, I hope so, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:42:25):
Ingrid Jaquia is a columnist with USA Today Today Today,
talking about the fact that she never would not characterize
herself as a maga conservative, but the sanctimonious liberals have
drona driven her to that.

Speaker 4 (01:42:38):
She's not the only one I imagined. There are a
lot of people out there like that.

Speaker 14 (01:42:40):
Greg.

Speaker 2 (01:42:41):
No, Like I said, it's a campaign of edition. Yeah,
just keep on adding. That's how you win racest.

Speaker 4 (01:42:46):
All right. Just a quick reminder coming up on Monday,
it is Rod and Gregg's minute to win.

Speaker 2 (01:42:50):
It.

Speaker 1 (01:42:51):
If you're a candidate running for political office, you have
a family member who is or you know a friend
who is. They want a little exposure, Well we'll give
it to him on Rod's and Gregg's Minute to Win
It that's coming up on Monday of six.

Speaker 2 (01:43:02):
I guarantee you that the listeners of this program are
the highest likely voters that you're going to find in
true T're True.

Speaker 4 (01:43:09):
All right.

Speaker 1 (01:43:10):
That does it for us tonight and for this week.
Thanks for joining us all week, Head off, shoulders back.
May God bless you and your family and this great
country of ours. Thanks for joining us. Have a great weekend, everybody.
We'll talk to you on Monday.

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