The Rod and Greg Show: Are Cell Phones in Classrooms Really a Negative?; Houston's Merit Pay for Teachers Program

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I don't even know how to describe this. You just
have to listen to it as nineteen seconds. Have a listen.

Speaker 2 (00:05):
Why do I care what their status was when they
committed the crime, if you can prove they committed a crime.
I say in the book, if I get shot, if
I get murdered by an undocumented immigrant, please tell my children.

Speaker 3 (00:20):
I did not care that they were undocumented. So if
he gets shot and killed by an illegal immigrant, he
doesn't care if they're illegal. That what he's saying.

Speaker 1 (00:31):
He doesn't care that they're not documented. So what he's
saying is now, I wonder if it was someone that
was a serial domestic violence perpetrator that law enforcement never
put into behind bars, that was never someone if somebody
committed a series of crimes or was in proximity of
this gentleman and had the opportunity to kill him, who

(00:51):
should once you find out who they were and what
their story was, find out that he should have been
behind bars or nowhere near him when he killed him.
He doesn't think that's relevant to his homicide. I think
it is. I think it's more than relevant. And it's
not just whether you're documented or not. Show me a
homicide where the circumstances behind the person that's accused of

(01:12):
the murder. You're not looking at pretty closely wondering who
in the world is this lunatic? It is true, he's
saying all other factors probably matter except for that one,
which is insane. The guy's nuts.

Speaker 3 (01:25):
Yeah. Well, crime is a big issue for Donald Trump.
I mean the border, crime, the economy. Right. Well, guess
what Americans think about crime? Right now, here is Harry
Enton from CNN. We love Harry. He's the data dork
over there as CNN, and he's got some new information
on how Americans are now feeling about crime. What about
just how people are, how worried people are actually about crime?

Speaker 1 (01:48):
About this exact issue.

Speaker 4 (01:50):
Yeah, exactly right, Kate. So you know we think about
crime when we say, Okay, it's one thing how they're
viewing Trump. But are their views of overall crime changing
as Donald Trump gets into the White House? And what
do we see here, Well, the percentage of Americans who
worry a great deal about crime. We actually have seen
that percentage drop.

Speaker 3 (02:05):
Over the last year.

Speaker 4 (02:05):
It was fifty three percent last year, and look at
where we are now, We're at forty seven percent. It's
the first time in about five years in which the
percentage of Americans who worry a great deal about crime
has actually dropped under the fifty percent mark. And more
than that, it's a rare issue that we've seen from
twenty twenty four to twenty twenty five in which the
percentage of Americans who worry a great deal about a
particular issue has actually dropped by five points or more.

(02:27):
In fact, it's one of only two issues in which
we saw five point decline among both Democrats and Republicans.

Speaker 1 (02:32):
So I think Donald Trump is.

Speaker 4 (02:33):
Going to continue on this law and order issue because
the bottom line is it is working for him, key.

Speaker 3 (02:37):
Boy, Sure is crime is working for him because people's
concern about crime greg have gone down. And that's what
it's all about. Now, let's talk about Alcatraz and this
idea that he has. I mean, there are stories out
there all day yesterday about Alcatraz, but Scott Jennings CNN
weighed in on this last night and his thoughts about
Alcatraz and reopening.

Speaker 1 (02:56):
Because I love this idea so much. I just know,
I'm so excited about this idea. I'm miss Scott Jennings
all the way. Let's hear. Let's hear what he has
to say.

Speaker 5 (03:04):
The idea of reopening a prison that's been closed for many,
many decades because it just doesn't make sense to house
people there.

Speaker 3 (03:11):
Why well does it? I don't know. He said he
was going to study it.

Speaker 6 (03:15):
I mean, we have a prison overcrowding problem you've been
fussing about recently, him sending American criminals overseas to their prisons.

Speaker 3 (03:22):
Don't we need more prisons in the United States?

Speaker 1 (03:28):
What is wrong with it? And I want to I
want to. I want to throw something in the pot.
I want everyone to know, once you've rea, once you've
refurbished it, you made it maximum security. I want every
one of the illegal people that they go to this
prison to Alcatraz. This is my this is the this
is the deal. Get If you can break out of
this maximum security prison and you can swim two miles
in that icy water and you can hit San Francisco,

(03:50):
you're an American. It's it's a uniquely American experience. You've
shown the grit, you've shown, the resilience, You've done what
it takes. Welcome to America. If you can get out
of there and swim across you did it? How about that?
You know, I make that deal.

Speaker 3 (04:03):
We have psychologists and psychiatrists in this city who could
talk to you about your.

Speaker 1 (04:08):
I think that's I think that's a noble goal.

Speaker 3 (04:10):
You like that?

Speaker 1 (04:10):
I think that I think it would. Yeah, they may
want to go to bout contract to prove they can
do it. You never know. All right, everybody a goal.

Speaker 3 (04:20):
We've got a lot to get to today on this show.
No more nutty ideas like you just heard from Mike Dallas.

Speaker 1 (04:26):
Genius and you know it.

Speaker 3 (04:27):
We'll talk about that here on the Rodd and Greg
Show when we come back. Congressman Burgess Owens will join us.
He's concerned about a Nike study on transgender athletes that's
coming up on the Rod and Greg Show. Congressman Burgess
Owens would like to get some answers, and he's joining
us on our newsmaker line right now to talk about this. Burgess,
how are you welcome to the Rod and Greg Show?

Speaker 7 (04:47):
Ron, How you doing, Grego? Looking forward to talking you guys.

Speaker 1 (04:50):
Yeah, welcome to the show.

Speaker 3 (04:53):
All right. Congressman, what are you looking for from Nike?
What was this study all about? First of all? Or
couldn't you give us some indication. Do we have any
idea if in fact they were involved in funding a
study like this.

Speaker 7 (05:05):
Well, I think we're in the tenth day of trying
to find that out, and I think a normal company
would be the first to say, no, we have nothing
to do with this. This is totally outside of our
wheelhouse and we would never move in this direction to
do this kind of experimentation on kids. So they haven't
said that, and that's what concerns many of us. We
do know that Nike has been very woke for a

(05:27):
long long time. We've had issues with them what they're
doing in China with slave labor and that type of thing.
So I'm not surprised if they decide to go in
this direction. If it is, it's time for accountability. This
is it is nuts what we are allowing to happen
to our children at this point.

Speaker 3 (05:43):
And I'll say a couple of things.

Speaker 7 (05:44):
Number One, Obviously, you have ideologues, you have people that
are running companies like Nike that might do this. My
concern is where are the parents. What parent would allow
their child to be put through this type of experimentation
because of an ideology, and I care about the health
of that child we have. This is a much deeper

(06:05):
conversation when it comes down to how we're going to
address this. Yes, we have oudologs, we have companies that
will do this because they have no no north pole.
But in the family, we should have north pole and
the north post would be our students and nobody put
through this kind of stuff.

Speaker 1 (06:21):
You know, I was telling Rod when we were getting
ready to show and in this story, a national story
came across that you had made this post and called
out Nike. You are so uniquely You're just the right person, Congressman,
to be able to make this point and express this concern.
You are a rags to riches. You grew up in
the most humble of circumstances. You you lifted yourself out
of your circumstances through sports and to the highest level

(06:45):
of sports. And when you see a brand like Nike,
they're supposed to represent that story, that that that brand
of of you know, sports and the top athleticism. You
saying you better not be part of this. If you are,
we want to know why and bring this kind of
attention to it. I think that is a role that
you you that only you could fill. So you haven't

(07:06):
heard back. I want to know where it goes from here.
This is an important message. It's picking up some attention.
I want to know if they've called you back or
when or if you're going to go park over there
where they up in Oregon, going up there, and I mean,
I want to know where this goes from here.

Speaker 7 (07:21):
Well, you know, I'll say, first of all, thank you
for our kit. Uh there. They're the guys who saw this,
who started putting it out there, and right now it
only is getting attention is because they have been stayed
focused on it and now more of us are recognizing
it and seeing it. We have to understand how these
companies work. Number One, they're run by individuals, and if
we have individuals that have no God in their life,

(07:45):
they're going to become that. And all of a sudden,
they instead of just just instead of just making shoes,
they're out there design They want to change where our
culture is, to change why we look at each other.
So that is at the highlight of what's happened with
companies like this, And of course we'll find out if
they're paying attention to this or not. But this is
where the way the people really come into play in

(08:05):
a capitalist country. We can decide not to buy the product,
we decide not to see the show.

Speaker 3 (08:12):
We can decide to do.

Speaker 7 (08:13):
Things to take our money elsewhere, and there capitalists company
our country building capitalism. Money talks. People go broke when
folks decide their product is not a good product. And
I'm hoping this is something I've been I've been having
issues with ninety for a long time, by the way
they will walk back when they were kneeling they walk
when they were taking their their product China, using slave

(08:33):
labor to get their products sold here for for for
the wealth. So I've had a problem with that ideology
for a long time. Now the American people have a
chance to see, how are they looking at our kids.
Are they looking at them as experimental products for their ideology,
or they're looking at or if they're looking at their
products being something that.

Speaker 3 (08:51):
We can all benefit from.

Speaker 7 (08:53):
This is the This is the question that nineteen has
to answer, and I think the American people shoud not
stopped until they give us an answer. This needs to
come to an end where they're attacking our children the
most vulnerable times in their lives. High I mean elementary kids,
pre puvy kids, These are kids that are looking for
parents to and adults to take care of them, not

(09:15):
take advantage of them. And so we have to be
very very focused on this, and if they're doing the
wrong thing, they need to pay a price, and American
people can do that.

Speaker 3 (09:22):
Amen to that final question for you, Congressman, do you
think you'll get an answer?

Speaker 7 (09:29):
I think we will because this is not going to stop.
And that's why Greg and Ron the programs like yourself,
what you're doing is exactly what we need. The more
we talk about this, the more pressure we put on them,
and if they start to see them stop going down.
At some point, they started losing money and power. At
some point, these folks who say, okay, this is what
we did, we apologize if that's what they did, or

(09:51):
they say we didn't do it, and we can move
on from their point. But I think this is how
we get it done. Exposure, transparency.

Speaker 3 (09:56):
All right, Congressman Burgess Owens, Congressman always right down, be
on the show.

Speaker 1 (10:00):
Thank you, yes, thank you for your leadership.

Speaker 3 (10:01):
Thank you guys. All right, Representative, we're just Owens demanding
and demanding answers from Nike over an alleged study on
transgender athletes.

Speaker 1 (10:09):
Go woke, go broke. That's what I say. I mean,
I want to see. I want to see a bud
light pathway for Nike. If they're doing this stuff, and
again they are, they need to answer it. It's just
a simple question, yes or no? Are you are you
doing these experiments? Are you trying to justify a transgender
agenda as a as a sports apparel and shoe company.
I want to know. It's just yes or no.

Speaker 3 (10:28):
Transparency. It's all we're asking for, all Right, Moore coming
up on the Roden greg Show and Talk Radio one
O five nine KNRS.

Speaker 1 (10:35):
Now, a state law that says you can't have these
cell phones in the in the classroom. Interesting topic. There's
been a study done on this. Joining us on the
program Christopher Ferguson. He's a professor of psychology at Stetson University.
With the topic, he's gone into stats don't support school
cell phone bands. Very interesting.

Speaker 3 (10:53):
Chris, thanks for joining us this afternoon. Let's talk about this.
What are the numbers starting to show? I know we're
early in the game on this, Well, what are the
numbers starting to show?

Speaker 8 (11:02):
Yeah, that's a great question. So I mean I think
these policies are popular because they're intuitive, right. You know,
most of us don't want kids scrolling through their cell
phones while they're supposed to be paying attention to teachers.
So I think there's this intuitive sense that, you know,
banning these phones ought to improve students attention in class
and maybe their behavior, maybe their mental health. But you know,

(11:25):
these policies were put in place before there was any
evidence to suggest that they might work, and what we're
now starting to see is at least some data coming
out suggesting that they don't actually appear to do the
things that people hope they would do. We're not seeing
that they're improving student grades, we're not seeing that they're
improving student mental health, and we're not seeing that they

(11:47):
improve student behavior. And in some cases, there's some data
to suggest that, if anything, they may cost some problems,
particularly where some schools are using suspensions of kids who
really haven't done anything other than you try to use
their cellp out in school, and suspensions are known to

(12:07):
be associated with negative outcomes and kids. So I think
there are some reasons to maybe worry about some unintended
consequences of some of these bands.

Speaker 1 (12:15):
So to your point about it being intuitive. I mean
all I have by way of references my time as
a school in school, passing notes or not paying attention
to the teacher, and it seems that a phone would
be a way to pull your attention away from the
instructor in the class. So it intuitively seems like it
would be something you wouldn't want every kid to have
in their pocket or on their person while they're trying

(12:36):
to listen to the teacher. My question is, because it's
still intuitive, it's hard for me to believe that there's
not some benefit. And one of the when you look
at some of the studies, it's looking at maybe the
first year or the year prior to a band and
what the GPA looked like, what this incidence of bullying
look like, and then it took the next school year
and looked at what it was. Is that enough time.

(12:57):
Isn't there maybe an adjustment period that need to take
place for students to get used to not having those
phones around because it would probably be a big shock
to the system to go to school one year and
you can have it the next year.

Speaker 8 (13:08):
Not Yeah, yeah, sure, And I think that's a very
good question. I mean, I think what we've seen however,
and I think it's important to point out that, you know,
particularly in the case if like Orange County schools here
in Florida, they you know, the administrators claimed in immediate success. Yeah,
they claimed like within weeks or months that they were saying,
like we already see how wonderful.

Speaker 5 (13:27):
You know.

Speaker 8 (13:27):
So what we can see say, at very least is
that those claims that some administrators and policymakers were making
about this kind of instant success of these programs certainly
was not true. Even in the data from these school
districts themselves. There was nothing apparently to support those types
of claims that were being made in news media. I
think what you're saying is actually true. I mean that's

(13:48):
one of the reasons actually got kind of injurted in
this is the idea that a policy would be implemented
and then weeks or months later had this like remarkable
level of success. I mean, you know, yeah, most most
educational policies have been failures. I mean first off, so
to have even a modest success would be astounding, you know, great,

(14:09):
you know, fantastic. Yeah, So you know, absolutely, I do
think we need to be open to looking at longer
term data. Absolutely, maybe things will turn around right now.
What we can say is from the short term data
that we're of anything seeing neutral to negative effects, not
positive effects.

Speaker 3 (14:25):
This data wouldn't be coming from the cell phone companies,
is it, criz. I mean to me, you see, well
that maybe maybe someone shuffling this data out there from
the cell phone companies.

Speaker 8 (14:36):
No, I guess say emphatically, I have no funding relationship
whatsoever to cell phone companies or social media companies there,
anything of that sort. No, this is data that came
directly from the school districts themselves, you know. And there
also was a study that was done in the UK
with schools there that came out this year that also
was just data from the schools themselves and basically came

(14:58):
to the same conclusion that with the schools that were
putting into play cell phone bands in the UK, even
the most restrictive bands were showing no evidence that they
were improving student behavior, mental health or grades.

Speaker 1 (15:11):
You know, Chris, that's what called I because you know
brit Britain, they're tyrants. They'll they'll they'll take away anything
from this, So why they're not seeing any difference either?
I can only imagine what they were doing if you
had if you had a phone on you as a kid.
So they're not so even in Britain, where I think
they feel more comfortable banning everything, they're they're not seeing

(15:32):
any academic progress or year over year change. I guess
is that what you're saying there? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (15:38):
Absolutely, yeah.

Speaker 8 (15:39):
I mean this is that you know, the UK is
comfortable arresting adults or things exactly.

Speaker 3 (15:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (15:45):
So yeah, so even there, you know, and some of
the schools did have like more or less restrictive bands,
So that of course raises the question of, well, maybe
some bands are not restrictive enough. Uh, But even the
schools that had the most restrictive bands, which basically is
essentially requiring cell phones to be placed in a locked
compartment or bag where I could not be assessed at

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any point during the day, not just in class, but
you know, not during recess or lunch or whatever other
activities may be occurring, that even though schools did not
see any improvement over schools that did not have a
cell phone banned policy. So yeah, again, at least with
like within a one year period, we're not seeing evidence
to support these types of claims of remarkable success.

Speaker 3 (16:28):
Chris, Why did we rush into this so quickly? I mean,
you know, in this country and in this world today,
we want instant gratification. We know there are issues in education,
We say, ah, cell phones, get rid of cell phones,
they'll solve all our problems. Why did we rush into
this so quickly?

Speaker 9 (16:45):
Well, we're old for one thing, myself, and that I
say that jokingly, but it's actually sympirically true that that
you do tendify, you know, with all these types of
concerns about technology, that tends to be.

Speaker 8 (17:00):
Older adults that are more worried about this than younger
adults are a first to kids themselves. And so you
see this kind of like cyfuical pattern with you know,
it's right now it's cell phones and social media. Before
it was video games, and it was rock music, and
then it was comic books, and that was you know,
the radio. Yeah, so I think it promises like a
quick fix, you know. Uh, you know, if we can

(17:21):
only get rid of this one thing that we already
don't like conveniently, that that would you know, return us
to this halcyon past. If kids holding hands and skipping
in through fields of daisies and cooperating all this kinds
of stuff that never never actually existed for most of us.
But you know, so I think it's this this this
easy fix, and I think it distracts us that if

(17:43):
you kind of look at like like kids' mental health,
the reality is that the biggest source of problems for
kids is their parents, you know, And parents don't really
want to hear that it's not And that's not to
say all parents. You know, most parents are pretty good.
But you know, when you have parents who are neglectful
or of using their kids, or have been incarcerated, or

(18:04):
have committed suicide, you know that that's where we're seeing
kids that have mental health problems, you know.

Speaker 1 (18:09):
And it's important to point out when we're talking about mental.

Speaker 8 (18:11):
Health, the biggest problem with mental health in our country
right now is among the middle aged. It's not among teenagers.
As a fifty three year old, you know, man, I
have a three to five times risk of committing suicide
as a teenage girl, does you know? And I don't
think many people understand that, you know. So I think
we're really looking at what's causing these like mental health

(18:33):
problems and kids it's coming from mostly within their own families,
and we have these families that are stressed, and we
really should be talking about that. But that's not as
you know, sexy a message. I think as blaming it
on technology, you know, and it really promises a much
more difficult conversation around some of those issues. So I

(18:54):
think that's kind of what's happening here is is, you know,
families don't want to think that this is from themselves,
and it's just easier to think that if you just
give it to smartphones, then we'd be back in nineteen
seventy five and everybody'd be happy.

Speaker 3 (19:08):
On our any hour Newsmaker line. That is Chris Ferguson
talking about cell phone bands and schools. Be interesting to
see three or four or five years down the road
if in fact they did make change, did make.

Speaker 1 (19:17):
A difference, and wouldn't it It would be sad if
it just turned out we're just old fogies. You just
don't like them. I gotta believe it distracts.

Speaker 3 (19:24):
See I'm I think young.

Speaker 1 (19:26):
Yes, I guess you do. But I can't believe that
these phones that don't distract the kids. I can't. But
that has not shown it yet. I just and it'd
be just like schools to brag it like, oh, it's
it's the best thing since sliced bread, and the data
doesn't show it yet. Littlely, just you know, pace yourself, please.

Speaker 3 (19:40):
Little early, all right, more coming up on the Rod
and Greg Show in Utah's Talk Radio one oh five
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Speaker 1 (19:46):
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(20:09):
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(20:32):
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Speaker 1 (20:57):
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Speaker 3 (21:01):
Yeah right, our number two of the rotting break.

Speaker 1 (21:04):
Show, Senator Tillis, who doesn't want to vote for doesn't
want to confirm the U s Attorney.

Speaker 3 (21:14):
What's behind that story?

Speaker 1 (21:16):
So as I understand it, you know President Trump, he appointed,
I temporarily appointed a US attorney until they could be
confirmed by by the Senate.

Speaker 3 (21:25):
Ed Martin, Martin, that's right.

Speaker 1 (21:27):
And you have your your typical Republicans like what what
you know Collins and Collins and Murkowski, they aren'ting to
vote for him. And then a couple of characters like
Tom Tillis show up and uh and Cornine from Texas
and they don't want to vote for him. And when
they went, when they talked to Tillis. Senator Tillis, he says, well,
you know, he's too easy on the January sixth people

(21:49):
like he hasn't gone thrown them all in the clink.
He hasn't just attacked them all. He's too too light
on him.

Speaker 3 (21:55):
So that's what's holding that, That's.

Speaker 1 (21:56):
What that's what he says, is holding him up. Now,
that would mean that Senator, this Republican Senator Tillis, when
you pull Democrats right now, okay about Elon Musk? Is
it is it okay? Is it okay to destroy all
his stuff? You know a majority of them say just
destroy all his dealerships and anyone who owns a Texas
is is it okay? Is justific? Is there a justification

(22:18):
of murder of Elon Musk and Donald Trump? Thirty one
forty eight percent of left of center said yes. Fifty
five percent said yes to Trump that that justification murder
was justified. So when when Senator Tom Tillis is put
clutching pearls about a US attorney that's not been tough
enough on January sixth, you know insurrectionists who some of

(22:40):
them were on the property. And again I'm not I'm
This is the easiest issue for me in the world,
because I'm not for any political violence, whether it's not
neither one of us. But when you see when you
see them walking in or they're walking out, and whatever's
going on, if you can't put that in perspective with
the other political violence that's gone on and is going
on in this country, then there's something wrong with you.

(23:02):
And I think there's something wrong with this Senator Tillis.
My theory is this, he thinks that he's gonna bluff
President Trump. He thinks I do. I think he thinks
that if you if he doesn't have the votes, and
without him and without Murkowski and without Susan Collins and
without Coronine, he doesn't have the vote that votes vans
can't go in there and cast a deciding vote. They
don't they don't have enough. I think he thinks that

(23:24):
if he if they know they don't have the math
and they can't get him to vote for this guy,
that Trump will pick a new US attorney for the
DC area. I think Trump won't. I think he'll make
Tillis make that vote on the floor to not do it,
and I you know, who gets to appoint him as
this lunatic judge Boseburg, it's been that that tried to

(23:45):
stop the deportations. He's his wife works for an anti
Trump organization. I mean, if Boseburg gets to pick the
US attorney, which has happened, if they don't confirm a
US attorney by what may twentieth, then this judge who
only knows how to be an anti Trump guy, he
has been an anti Trump guy in his donations, in
his conduct, in his household income, in his judicial rulings.

(24:07):
If he picks the US attorney, you're going to see
more of that type of behavior. Well, if Tillis wants
to be the author of that, if Tillis wants to
own that he's up for the mid terms, He's up
for election, and so is Coronine in Texas. If they
want to play that game, play it because just like
the four Democrats in Congress who took their names off
the co sponsor list of the article's impeachment quietly, it

(24:28):
was because there was a probably a collective eye roll
in their polling of Americans, you know, Republican, Independent and Democrats,
or worse, by way of reaction, if Tillis does this
and Quornine does this and allows Boseberg, this judge, to
appoint the US Attorney and the chaos ensues. These guys
will own it in those next midterms. And I'm telling you,
I hope President Trump does not change the appointment. I

(24:51):
hope that he makes Tillis vote for make this vote
with the Democrats. I hope he makes them.

Speaker 3 (24:55):
Do it well. Trump to me, Greg is always thinking
to head when it comes to issues like this, and
he's thinking ahead. All right, Tom Tillis, you wont till
Us is where from North Carolina?

Speaker 1 (25:07):
Yes, you're up for real?

Speaker 3 (25:08):
Did he win North Carolina? Trump won North Carolina?

Speaker 1 (25:11):
He did?

Speaker 3 (25:12):
Yeah, go ahead, run for reelection in a state that
I won. See where this takes you? You know, you
see Trump is thinking ahead on that. That's why he's
letting this play out well.

Speaker 1 (25:22):
And I'll tell you this is the same till Us
that that sat there and voted when when when Biden
came into office and you know, put up Merrick Garland's
name to be voted on, he bragged about voting for him.
Here's a quote. Merrick Garland has an outstanding record serving
our country and has a deep understanding of the law.
He reflects an extensive legal knowledge and unbiased application of

(25:44):
the law. Did that happen? No, once you once you
say these things about Merrick Garland, Now he doesn't get
to see in the future. I'll give him that. But
you couldn't have made a worse vote for to confirm
someone to anything than Merrick Garland. So when you got
that on the resume, I don't know what you're worried
about getting this US attorney on the job that's already
on the job, by the way, because he's an interim
US attorney. I do not understand what it's in his mind.

(26:08):
What I worry about is all this is is that
the swamp doesn't really want the changes that President Trump
is trying to.

Speaker 3 (26:14):
You know, they haven't wanted to deploy. They haven't wanted
them since day one.

Speaker 1 (26:18):
Greg.

Speaker 3 (26:18):
Now, yeah, he has come in. He promised the American
people he would clean up the swamp with DOGE. I
think he's done a pretty darn good job at it.
As a matter of fact, there's a story there somewhere today,
and I don't have the number. I'll find the story.
Some might stack and stuff, but the number of federal
employees who have taken early retirement from the US Department
of Agriculture. They said, okay, we'll take up to you

(26:40):
on your office that job's reports that I know you
talked about last Friday. Yes, showed that private employment is up, absolutely,
federal employment is down, and isn't that what we want
it is?

Speaker 1 (26:54):
And for that to have been counted in the GDP
knowing that, I wasn't really sure how they were counting
gross domestic product, but you know, printing money to hire
more people just wasn't the economic growth. I thought that
the GDP was reflecting. But if you're seeing the shrink
and GDP because you're seeing less federal jobs and you're
seeing an efficiency brought to the federal government, so be it. Okay,

(27:15):
I'm ready for that. And then the markets didn't react
negatively to that information because they saw where the retraction
was happening. But I'm going to tell you that that
at least he doesn't have Paul Ryan as speaker, because
that guy wanted was so much tall, he was so
anti Trump, and Mitch McConnell was so much worse Thune.
I'm not saying Tune is the greatest thing since sliced bread,
but I think he's better than Mitch McConnell, and I

(27:36):
know that Speaker Johnson's a lot lot better than Paul Ryan.
But at the end of the day, they got to
get some stuff done in Congress. They got that Reconciliation bill,
the big beautiful bill.

Speaker 3 (27:45):
They that passed, and Mike Johnson gave an update that
a lot of the committees are working on it making
progress towards this, so it's coming. I would love to
see it by Memorial Day. I don't know if that's
going to happen, Greg, but I'd love to see it.

Speaker 1 (27:58):
But some are saying that it's going to take what
till July fourth? I think really said yeah, July fourth,
But I'll tell you this.

Speaker 3 (28:04):
And I think between now and then, we're going to
start seeing some trade deals.

Speaker 1 (28:09):
Yes, I will.

Speaker 3 (28:10):
Oh yeah, I think we will. I mean we will.
You know, someone I was watching one of the financial
shows today. This is very complicated stuff. It's not like
you and I sitting down and try and put two
and two together because we know it equals five. But
this is very complicated stuff and it just takes time
to work out. Fortunately, Greg, I think the supporters of

(28:30):
Donald Trump understand that they're willing to ride this out
to see what happens.

Speaker 1 (28:35):
Well, look best, Secretary Benson, the Treasury Secretary said very clearly,
they have three He has a three prong mission, okay,
and that is to renegotiate these these trade deals because
you want to you want to have reciprocal trade. You know,
whatever your tariffs are for us to export into your country,
you can expect the same from us. We're gonna make
this fair. That's that's good. And you see a lot

(28:56):
of countries are coming to the table, most countries other
than China, and even China's coming to the table, want
to make that better or make it more palatable for
US trade. The second is you got to get those
twenty seventeen tax cuts. That aren't tax cuts anymore. There
are current cut You've got to extend it. So the
twenty seventeen tax cuts and Jaw Act have to be
extended further or else that's a massive tax increase if

(29:18):
it is allowed to expire. And then Trump wants no
taxes on tips, overtime, or social security. Get that done.
And then last regulation, deregulate. And I'm telling you that
three prong attack. I don't know how anyone can call
themselves a Republican in that Senate or US House of
Representatives and not absolutely throw their arms around those three
principles right there.

Speaker 3 (29:39):
That's true, that's true. All right. When we come back,
I've got a frightening scenario. I want you to think
about you ready for this? Yes, what if Kamala won?
What would her first hundred dage look like? Man, I
should just think about it, Just think about it a
little bit. We'll talk about that coming up on the
Routing Greg Show and Utah's Talk Radio one oh five

(30:00):
nine k and are asked, what if Kamala won, We'd
just be passing your first one hundred days.

Speaker 1 (30:08):
It would be more more censorship, more in the clink.
They had to thrown Elon Musk in the jail by now,
they would have, So would Trump maybe have him in
jail right now? That this whatever's going on in Britain
that we think is a little heavy handed, would look like,
you know, kid gloves compared to what we'd be living
through under her.

Speaker 3 (30:27):
Well, telling you, the folks at the Daily Wire put
together a scenario as to what the country would be
like right now. Right Here's what would happen of course
we'd just be over Easter. They'd have the Easter White
House Easter egg roll, right, but instead it would be
duly billed as the Transgender Day of Visibility Parade.

Speaker 1 (30:47):
Yeah, well, didn't I think, what's what's.

Speaker 3 (30:50):
Tried to do this? She'd expanded a little bit more? Okay.
A group of Red state attorneys general challenge biden So
eleventh hour executive declaring the Equal Rights Amendment the law
of the land. Okay. The case made its way to
the Supreme Court, but John Roberts and Amy Cony Barrett

(31:11):
joined the liberals in a five for ruling, saying the
Equal Rights Amendment is the law of the land.

Speaker 1 (31:18):
This is a I hate these alternate histories, you know,
it's just it's just you don't like this. Well, i'll
tell you what that's this is that those scenarios are
all so viable. It does really make a case for providence,
doesn't it.

Speaker 3 (31:33):
Godzo would be dragging on because Secretary of State Pete
Budajay would want to do anything.

Speaker 1 (31:38):
No, he he, I've never seen transportation become political way that.
He was the worst transportation secretary we've ever had.

Speaker 3 (31:47):
Yeah. Iran bak Huthi terrorists continue their assault on American
ships and European ships. Nobody is trying to stop them.
Do you see they agreed? Was it yesterday that they
agreed they will not fire on American ships anymore? The
houthis yeah.

Speaker 1 (32:01):
Yeah, they're pretty scared.

Speaker 3 (32:03):
We wouldn't even know.

Speaker 1 (32:04):
We would have never heard the word who'sy because they
would have. They would have just like in the Biden years,
they would have done nothing about any of it. And
they but they would No one in the media would
have ever told us what was going on.

Speaker 3 (32:14):
Yeah. Yeah, let's see. The new head of Health and
Human Services, the VEC Murphy is hell ban on his
tobacco band. He now has made red meat illegal. Yeah,
we expin about that earlier, right ye. Corey Booker, who
would be the attorney general?

Speaker 1 (32:33):
This is this is a very terrible alternate universe.

Speaker 3 (32:36):
Holding another press conference where he compares library fines to segregation.

Speaker 1 (32:42):
Yeah, there you go, there you go.

Speaker 3 (32:46):
I'll tell you what I mean. Just think about her
in charge.

Speaker 1 (32:50):
Well, here's here's what would really be happening. She wouldn't
be in charge, just like Biden wasn't in charge. See
the reason they just loved They didn't want to have
a primary they didn't want to put by and through anything. Look,
I heard some commentary today about how the media is really,
you know, kind of owning the fact that they ignored
Biden's mental state while he was president. And there seems

(33:14):
to be some I don't know, I don't even know
they're being apologetic, but at least there's this idea that
they're coming clean, and some are making books that are
writing books and making money on it. Nobody's coming clean,
nobody's doing Why they're talking about this when they'll never
admit they were wrong on the Russian collusion. They'll never
admit that they lied to us over the pandemic and
that it did come from a Wuhan lab. The reason

(33:35):
they've never had that moment with this, but they are
emphasizing that Biden wasn't was cuckoo for Coco Pops is
because they want to delegitimize President Trump's victory. They are
tired of him winning every swing state. They're tired of
him saying more won the popular vote. They hate with
all their heart the fact that he has any legitimacy

(33:57):
from this last election, and anything they can do and
if it means beating themselves up to try and say, well,
he won because we never had a real candidate, because
we had a replacement at the last second. If there's
any of it will delegitimize Trump, They're willing to put
themselves through it and make some money on some books
because they can't handle him. They just cannot stand the

(34:19):
idea that he wont such a strong electro college victory
as well as the popular vote. They have to do
something to say that that actually wasn't him that did it.
It was Biden's fault. It was the process. Meanwhile, they
never wanted anybody in charge. They didn't want Biden. They
loved the idea of Kamlos so they could continue to
the faceless people could continue. The elitists can continue to

(34:39):
run this country into the ground, but you wouldn't have
a name to attach to it. That's what happened.

Speaker 3 (34:43):
Well, there's a connection there too, because remember on Meet
the Press on Sunday, in which he was interviewed by
Kirsten Walker. He's only been an office a little bit
more than one hundred days now, right, can you recall
any other time in American history where the media is
asking him if he's going to run again, I know.
I mean, think about he's been in office a little
bit over one hundred days. They're already saying, are you

(35:03):
running again?

Speaker 1 (35:05):
And he's right to troll them. Oh yeah, he's not.

Speaker 3 (35:07):
He's right because.

Speaker 1 (35:08):
It drives them absolutely crazy. And the sales of the
hats have gone wild. So I would absolutely just keep
taunting them if they want to make an issue out
of something that's on issue, Okay, go ahead. Yeah. And
you know he's he denied that he's going to run again,
doesn't think he can all that, but and says a
lot of people have told him that he could, but
he doesn't plan to. But he did say that he

(35:28):
thought that two terms is important.

Speaker 3 (35:30):
He just wants to mess with their head.

Speaker 1 (35:32):
I know, I love it.

Speaker 3 (35:33):
I love it all right boy. Coming up on The
Rodden Greg Show and Utah's Talk Radio one O five nine,
Kate and R asked, what a career this guy's head.
I know you're a big fan of his.

Speaker 1 (35:43):
I try, you know, I know, I know I'm trying
to be you know, I'm a corporate honk now for
Heart Media. I'm supposed to like like Barry Manilo. I'm
trying told you to like Barry Man alone. I saw
the company memo come through. I saw we're all supposed
to be excited, So I'm trying to feign excitement here.
Barry Manilow. Yeah, I write the songs. That's the whole
world say. Yeah at the time. See you're gonna nark

(36:08):
me out, aren't you?

Speaker 3 (36:09):
Would I knark you out? Yeah? Every chance, I guess exactly.

Speaker 5 (36:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (36:12):
Yeah, Well, we've got some tickets to give away to
see Barry Man Aloe. Is that okay with you?

Speaker 1 (36:17):
Yes? Look, I'm not judging. I'm not judging prediction. There's
some dudes out there that like that Barry Manilo. You know,
you be you. That's all I'm saying. You be you go. Yeah,
I think you. Ray and I are on the same
page there. There may be a man card you have
to exchange for the tickets, but whatever.

Speaker 3 (36:34):
If your sweet wife comes up to you and says,
the perfect Mother's Day gift would be two tickets to
see Barry Manilo, would you take her?

Speaker 1 (36:44):
I would be that would meet me with some other
wife to Queen Bee. Because my wife would never say that,
that's that I would I would not ever happen that
hypothetical isn't even conceivable. There's no way Queen b would
ask for that.

Speaker 7 (36:56):
Really.

Speaker 3 (36:56):
No, No, she can like your music.

Speaker 1 (36:59):
No, he doesn't even like eighties music.

Speaker 3 (37:03):
What does she like?

Speaker 7 (37:04):
You know?

Speaker 5 (37:05):
She?

Speaker 1 (37:06):
You know, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (37:07):
You know, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (37:09):
She No, she likes that. I don't know. She liked
some of the nineties rock. She likes some of two thousands,
she likes more, she likes like. She likes to try
and stay up on the music that's being played, you
know during you know that's popular right now.

Speaker 3 (37:23):
I could not tell you a hit that is out
there right now.

Speaker 1 (37:25):
I'm having I've aged officially because I used to try
to keep I did keep up with it, just naturally.
Bit I do have some I like there that are popular,
Like I do like Kendrick Lamar, and I know everybody
here doesn't, but I do like Kendrick Lamar.

Speaker 3 (37:38):
Who he is?

Speaker 1 (37:38):
Don't super Bowl halftime?

Speaker 10 (37:41):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (37:41):
What a stupid Yeah?

Speaker 1 (37:42):
See, I know I like right Kendrick Lamar. No, I
can't wait. I'm so excited. I'm just bubbly.

Speaker 3 (37:52):
You are so good at fake Thank you, Barry Mental
old tickets. We've got two right now to see Barry
in concert at the Maverick Center on July four worth.
You can also winner uh enter to win online at
candorest dot com provided by Live Nation and as Ray says,
if you're a guy and you win, put away your
man card.

Speaker 1 (38:10):
Well look look why okay question, I'm not even gonna
say that. I shouldn't even say you be you. I'm
not gonna be judge like Barry Man?

Speaker 3 (38:19):
Alone, go why are men so afraid to say they
like music from certain artists?

Speaker 1 (38:25):
You know, look, I am not afraid. You know they
say people they.

Speaker 3 (38:29):
Say, you know what, you would never admit you'd like
Barry Man.

Speaker 1 (38:32):
Well that would be because I honest, that's because I'm saying.
I'm telling I'm a true teller. Was there an artist
in the eighties, Oh yeah, oh yes, oh yeah I have,
I have?

Speaker 3 (38:42):
And who would that be?

Speaker 1 (38:43):
Actually? I think you might have been the early nineties
John Soccatta. I like that guy.

Speaker 7 (38:47):
I know.

Speaker 1 (38:47):
There's like one song he said that he has that
I just think is a great song. It's a romantic
soft yeah, well yeah, it's kind of a yeah, it's
it probably is. But I like John. You know what
I like? I like It's not a guy, but I like,
uh uh, what's her name?

Speaker 3 (39:07):
I can't know.

Speaker 1 (39:12):
It's on my time. It's not even a hard way.

Speaker 7 (39:14):
No.

Speaker 1 (39:14):
She it's very popular. She seems like she had really
high pitched songs, and she came out in early ninety one. Anyway,
I can't remember her name is anyway, that's Those are
songs that I think wouldn't people would be surprised that.

Speaker 3 (39:27):
I like, would you go to a concert where you'd
have to give up your man?

Speaker 7 (39:31):
Card?

Speaker 1 (39:32):
I have to hear what who I have to go see?
Because I'm telling you you're not a country music fan.
I'm not, but you know I like some country if
it's patriotic, I tend to like it.

Speaker 3 (39:43):
But you're thinking of that name.

Speaker 1 (39:44):
I'm trying to I'm trying to find that, trying to remember.
Truly going to bug me because this is a common person.
I know. This is a really bad sign. If Queen
Bee was listening, she text, you'd know who I'm talking about.

Speaker 3 (39:55):
Oh uh, now you got No, I'm thinking of it.
I can't think. I think I know who you you.

Speaker 1 (40:00):
Know who I'm talking about it. She's very popular. She's
not a ton of music, but yeah, Whitney Houston, No,
I was thinking Whitney Houston to It's not Whitney Houston.
It's a different one. What's her name? She's singing butterfly songs. Butterfly,
but I don't believe. I can't remember the name of this.
I can't.

Speaker 3 (40:20):
That's great radio, by the way, we can't figure out
what we're talking about.

Speaker 1 (40:24):
Yeah, Mariah Carey, thank you, Mariah Carey.

Speaker 3 (40:27):
That's why I was.

Speaker 1 (40:27):
And it took, and it took and took Carey.

Speaker 7 (40:31):
I do.

Speaker 1 (40:31):
I like. I love Mariah Carroll. I like a lot
of her music, and I would go to Yes, I
would go to Vegas to see her play. I'd go
see Maria Carroll concert easily. Yeah. I like Maria Carroll.
I'll say it. I'm not no no Celine Dion, I'm
not no, I'm not that. But I do like rank
Maria car See, you've just exposed a little bit. John,

(40:55):
that's a that's a that's a bad admission on my party.
I'm gonna hear from a lot of people that one.
But there's one solid single, solitary song. I like John Scotta,
but I do like it, all right, what you never
had to tell you? Where's your confessional? Who do you
like Verry Manlow another chicken dinner. Congrats, sir, you know what,

(41:17):
You're secure in your manliness. Think that's why I am too.
I I just meant.

Speaker 3 (41:22):
It, but I you know, in my early broadcasting career, yes,
I was a disc jockey. Yes, so I played a
lot of these songs.

Speaker 1 (41:29):
Which one would Would you be embarrassed to admit that?
You're not embarrassed because you're you're comfortable in your mountain?

Speaker 5 (41:35):
No?

Speaker 1 (41:36):
You know he hates Journey he radio. You can you
admit that you like a Journey song? I wish you
would Journey.

Speaker 3 (41:44):
Great every time I hear it on the radio.

Speaker 1 (41:47):
You have no taste in music, none.

Speaker 3 (41:50):
I've got to think, hmmm, Carol King.

Speaker 1 (41:54):
Yeah, no one knows who ing is. You got to
pick somewhere from like the last third years. Okay, come on,
wow this No, this will send you flying out the way.
The carpenters, Oh yeah, we just begot in there. Yeah,
the carpenters growing up in the basket, I think the carpenters.

(42:17):
Yeah that's pretty sappy. I I like Paula Abdul. That
one's not even embarrassing to Yeah, I don't mind that
embarrassed song. Yeah, Maria carry that one can be that
could be kind.

Speaker 3 (42:29):
Of more coming up on the Rotten Greg Show and
Utah's Talk Radio one oh five nine rs.

Speaker 1 (42:37):
It's snowing in the mountains. It's gonna be eight degrees
in a weekend, and I'm just getting mother Nature just
pushing me around, man making me man. It makes me
want to just spam my carbon foot print and fight back.
You're flying, but but welcome, folks.

Speaker 3 (42:50):
We talk about the rhymes of the day because we've
been talking about music. I know you.

Speaker 1 (42:56):
Distracted me on that topic.

Speaker 3 (42:58):
I did.

Speaker 1 (42:58):
Well, you're trying to say that I'm a afraid to
admit that I like Barry Manilo. No, I'm being totally
honest about my.

Speaker 3 (43:04):
Well that's because you didn't grow up with them.

Speaker 1 (43:06):
Well yeah, well no, you know, I listened to the
radio with my mom in the seventies. Was she liked
she liked my mom. My mother was like one of
those hippie flower check I mean.

Speaker 3 (43:16):
She was I'd like your mom.

Speaker 1 (43:18):
My mom was a wild child. Yeah, she was my
grandmother's most rebellious child.

Speaker 3 (43:22):
I think i'd like your mom. We'd be in sync with.
My mom was crazy, she was we'd realize that you're nuts. No,
my mom thought I walked on water man. I had
her totally. So that's the problem.

Speaker 1 (43:36):
Yeah, that's why my mother a little bit of news.

Speaker 3 (43:39):
We probably should show it. Throw a little bit of
news in this show. Today. We're not TMZ, so let's
go you sure, Yeah, it's much more fun being TMZ.

Speaker 1 (43:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (43:51):
But did you see the outfits at the met gala
last night?

Speaker 1 (43:54):
Oh you're going there. Oh, don't go there. This is
a family show that you don't wear pants. Lady gentlemen,
let me just say you've not seen images of the
met gaya, just don't don't And whatever you do, don't
google it because you're gonna get on some kind.

Speaker 3 (44:06):
Of people to do it.

Speaker 1 (44:07):
No, man, you do not want to want to see what.

Speaker 3 (44:09):
Was going on many pants last night.

Speaker 1 (44:12):
It's well, there's you I could have. There's a lot
of things that were missing on that show, and it
was just again, I think that the entertainment industry has
lost its mind. Even Halle Berry, who I liked so
much in the early years, she's gone. What she wore
last night was absolutely.

Speaker 3 (44:29):
I didn't look at it. It's terrible. You're making a
big taster of it.

Speaker 1 (44:33):
She should be ashamed of herself. And she's someone that
was like I heard that she wouldn't do a certain
scene in a movie that she was supposed to do
because she had certain standards.

Speaker 3 (44:41):
Know where that all wentards on that outfit last night.
I didn't see it, but I know you did. You
kept on showing it to me.

Speaker 1 (44:48):
I didn't shure you. You made that you're making that up.
I didn't show you anything, but I did comment that
it was not.

Speaker 3 (44:53):
Appropriate that met Gala thing.

Speaker 1 (44:55):
No, that's not that's not worthy of this show's coverage.

Speaker 3 (44:59):
No, we just mentioned it. By the way. One one
note that is rather important. The Supreme Court said today
allowed the president to implement his ban on transgender people
serving in the military.

Speaker 1 (45:10):
Wow, they let him. The court, So the Supreme Court
is announced that he could be They ruled that he
could be president of the United States.

Speaker 3 (45:17):
Just did.

Speaker 1 (45:17):
Yeah, isn't that something?

Speaker 3 (45:18):
Isn't that something?

Speaker 1 (45:19):
We're gonna have like ten more of these cases so
that he can get like all the powers that the
executive the head you know, the commander in chief has
in the of the executive branch. It's going to be
it's gonna be so exciting. Maybe in a year and
a half we'll see them all come there.

Speaker 3 (45:30):
The court. The court lifted a nationwide injunction blocking the policy.
The court said, he's the president when it comes to
the military, he can do just about whatever he wants to.

Speaker 1 (45:39):
Why can't that just be an overarching rule that like,
you know how all the presidents before did it. You
know you don'm gonna start saying about illegal immigration. Just
do it exactly the way President Obama did it, and
that's it. We're done. He didn't have he have hearings.
He deported him. No hearings.

Speaker 3 (45:55):
Hey, Utah's number one again. Yeah, yeah, we'll talk about that,
all right. I mean, stay with us.

Speaker 1 (46:04):
What do you got to ask for, you old man?

Speaker 3 (46:06):
You just over here working still. I'm trying to get
your attention to do something. You're in you're hiding.

Speaker 1 (46:11):
No, I'm not high. I'm sticking my face in front
of my laptop, So turn.

Speaker 3 (46:13):
On your face, all right. Welcome. It hits the Rod
and Greg Show on talk radio. Want a five can
a right? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (46:23):
Not seven years?

Speaker 3 (46:25):
I'm Rod Keet.

Speaker 1 (46:26):
By the way, I'm citizen Hughes.

Speaker 3 (46:27):
Well, thank you.

Speaker 5 (46:28):
Hey.

Speaker 3 (46:28):
A little bit later on this hour. Yeah, okay, I
was with the first lady today. Oh May is mental
awareness month.

Speaker 1 (46:37):
There they had to be aware of you. Is that
what happened?

Speaker 3 (46:41):
I was the first lady. She asked me to call
her Abby, which I thought was kind of nice, which
I did, and we had a conversation about to live
on campaign. We'll play that a little bit later.

Speaker 1 (46:49):
On the show. Great sounds a blast. Mental awareness, mental health.
Do you ever worry why they wanted you for that?

Speaker 3 (47:01):
No mental awareness? It's probably It's very obvious to me
now twenty I love this the way this guy wrote
this story. Twenty five years ago, Utah was probably known
for three things footloose, yes, green, yellow, Yeah, and a
lot of young kids.

Speaker 1 (47:18):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (47:18):
Would you say that?

Speaker 1 (47:19):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (47:20):
How things have changed because now, for the third year
in a row, US News and World reporters ranked Utah
the number one state in the.

Speaker 1 (47:27):
Country for what.

Speaker 3 (47:28):
That's pretty cool.

Speaker 1 (47:29):
Number one for.

Speaker 3 (47:31):
All the all the factors that played into this. The economy, taxes, lifestyle,
weeds are number one. Nice.

Speaker 1 (47:38):
You know what, it's it just gets It's just it
comes a lot. We get this, We get this, this
ranking quite a bit.

Speaker 3 (47:46):
We keep on winning.

Speaker 1 (47:47):
We did so much so we might get tired of winning.

Speaker 3 (47:50):
Yeah, no, let me get tired of one.

Speaker 2 (47:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (47:52):
State cender Kurt Kullamore, who is a friend of yours.
I do not know why, but he is.

Speaker 1 (47:56):
You might he might not want you to admit that
to the to our good.

Speaker 3 (48:01):
We're in one of those moods today, aren't right now?
We're just rihthing each other all that Centator color more.
Can you settle this feud because we just aren't getting
along today.

Speaker 6 (48:12):
I've got it, you know, I probably have to side
with you, Rod, knowing Greg.

Speaker 1 (48:19):
You know I've got a correct ride and say you're
the Senate majority leader. But now that you're on his side,
now your team, Rod, good luck? Good luck with that.

Speaker 3 (48:26):
Senator. Well, why did we get this award again this year?
Three years in a row? What are we doing right?

Speaker 6 (48:33):
Well, you know, I think it speaks a lot to
what Utah is doing right. And a lot of this
could be laid at policymakers across the state of Utah.
But but I really believe it's more than that. I
think it's the people of Utah, the businesses of Utah's
the community of Utah that that really drive these rankings.
And you know, the policy then follows, but but really

(48:55):
the spirit of Utah, the people of Utah lead Well.

Speaker 1 (48:58):
You know, I have to agree with I'm actually I
moved to Utah, you know, when I was twenty one
years old, and I think that the economic opportunities, the
quality of life now having raised, got married, raised a family,
I feel like it that the Utah has something unique
that other states, even my home state of Pennsylvania just
didn't have. What by way of upward mobility and all

(49:20):
the quality of life. What is it about Utah? Why
are the people and why is the climate here in
terms of I think you could do anything you put
your mind to. Why is it so unique of a state?

Speaker 6 (49:33):
Well, I think the US News article highlighted some of that, right,
and it's you know, the interplay that we have here
between culture and politics and religion. And I would suggest
that that's what made America great, right as we have
this morality based society based on Christian today oh principles,

(49:53):
and we've been able to sustain that for quite some
time in Utah. And I think that's helped with the
upward mobility, it's help with social service issues, it's helped
with crime. And you know, all sorts of issues, and
some would say, you know, it's not good for politics
and religion to intermingle, but I think our country is
founded upon that basis that that we need to have

(50:16):
those two working together. And when we have religion and
civic organizations that are supporting the social needs of a community,
that only helps, that doesn't.

Speaker 3 (50:25):
Hurt, you know, Center Cullimore. I found it interesting that
the US News pointed out that we probably have one
of the most diverse economies in the country right now.
I mean, you know, we used to have a lot
of manufacturing, a lot of agriculture. We still have a
lot of that, but we also have tech industry, tourism, healthcare,
energy standing as major employers as well. So the diversity

(50:48):
of diversity of our economy has really helped the state,
hasn't it.

Speaker 6 (50:53):
It has, And that wasn't by accident, you know. I
think it was Governor Levitt and that that had this
initiative in the early two thousands about pushing engineering degrees
which really spurred silicon slopes, the biotech industry that we
have now a lot of the entrepreneurialship that we'd see
through through computer engineering bioengineering, all that sort of stuff,

(51:15):
and so you know, I think we've made a concerted
effort to diversify our economy and we've been effective hitting
hitting number one as a diverse economy.

Speaker 1 (51:23):
Now, you know, Senator, we spoke with Stephen Moore a
few weeks back, and in a different study rich poor state,
rich states, poor states, we were ranked number one again.
But in Steven moriy I mean he's a national talking
figure or talking head, he's a White House economic policy advisor.
He said, he said something I thought was really important.

(51:44):
He said, you know, Utah is just not holding serve
and protecting the status quo in terms of being ranked
number one. If they hadn't changed, they if whatever they
were doing in two thousand and eight they were still
doing today by way of their tax rate, all the
things that day way, we would be twenty third. We
would be ranked twenty third in the country of rich states,

(52:07):
poor states. But we stay number one because you have
to continue to look at these policy issues. I think
you're right. I think we have highest marriage rate in states,
we have the most I think our two parent homes
is one of the highest ratios in the country. Divorce
rates one of the lowest volunteerism rate is off the charts,
highest in the country. And then you add the work
that's done in terms of, you know, making sure our
tax rates are low and getting you know, getting government

(52:29):
out of the way. So how do you maintain this
number one ranking? If you just kept it the same,
you're just going to drop as a state. Other states
are going to rise up. How do you stay keeping
Utah in such a strong position.

Speaker 6 (52:43):
Yeah, I think that's a good observation. And you know,
while we're excited about all these accolades and it's awesome
to be, you know, to get this recognition, we can't
rest on our accolades. And I don't think Utah does that,
you know, whether it's policy makers or just people in
their everyday lives. We don't look at just what's popping today.
We're looking ten, twenty fifty years down the road and

(53:03):
making sure that the decisions we make benefit our grandchildren,
our great grandchildren, just like our forefathers. Did you know,
I mean a lot of the infrastructure, a lot of
the dams, a lot of the water and everything like.
We would not be flourishing without those great thought leaders
decades ago. And I think all of us feel that
same responsibility now to not just look, you know, to

(53:23):
the next election cycle, but to look several decades ahead.

Speaker 3 (53:27):
Thunder Cullor Moore is our next biggest challenge how we
conserve and use and utilize our water as we continued
to grow. I mean, isn't it going to be one
of our biggest challenges down the road?

Speaker 6 (53:39):
It certainly is. I mean, living in a desert, we've
got to continue to figure out the water situation. You know,
we've invested a lot in that the last couple of years.
But I think even more pressing right now is also
the energy. You know, we're coming into an energy crisis
across this entire country, and I think Utah is trying
to make a concerted effort to lead the way and
energy policy and making sure, you know, our whole way

(54:02):
of life is dependent upon energy and of course water,
and so you know, both both of those commodities are
are critically important, and I think there's a lot of
effort being put into those and figuring out the right
way to develop both of those.

Speaker 3 (54:17):
Under color more. Thank you for your time tonight, thank
you for being on team Rod. We do appreciate that.

Speaker 1 (54:27):
I think it's just not a pity. But you know,
I'm not going to put him on the spot.

Speaker 3 (54:30):
Under culor more. Thank you, enjoy the rest of the evening. Thanks. Yeah,
they send her Kurt color More, Senate Majority Leader.

Speaker 1 (54:39):
Wow, he's kind of a big deal, big deal. Yeah,
way up there, he's way up all.

Speaker 3 (54:44):
Right, mare, coming up more, coming up the Rod and
Greg Show and Talk Radio one O five nine k
n R s. Well, there we go, Greg. The Antarctica
not doing what it's supposed to It's supposed to be cold, No,
we know that supposed to have I supposed to be melting.
Oh not so no, no, not so.

Speaker 1 (55:02):
Oh we were told it's all coming apart.

Speaker 3 (55:05):
Two major studies are now showing that it is now
growing at a rapid pace.

Speaker 1 (55:12):
More that will destroy the narrative. You think, yeah, they
were saying the oceans are rising.

Speaker 3 (55:18):
No, apparently a new study is found that between twenty
twenty one and twenty twenty three there was a record
breaking increase in the Antarctic ice sheet. So it is
not melting.

Speaker 1 (55:32):
Do you remember the pictures they showed those big pieces
of ice falling into the ocean and house it was
all coming apart. It was all and it was all.
It was all disaster.

Speaker 3 (55:39):
Remember the pictures of the polar bear sitting on a
loop blue thing, little island of ice. It was floating
in the in the water and everything else anymore.

Speaker 1 (55:47):
Yeah, you know the problem is, and if you live
long enough, even in our short spec of time, in
the grand scheme of things that we're here, it's just
so arrogant of human beings to think that the that
the the cycles of climate that the planet goes through,
because you can see evidence of such different situations, that
you're the human beings a control in the first place,

(56:08):
b are going to change the planet's climate conditions in
the second place, it's just it's it's insane. You're not
going to do any of it.

Speaker 3 (56:15):
Well you point the arrogance, yes, that humans think we
can control the weather. Oh no, you can't.

Speaker 1 (56:23):
This world's been around a long time. We haven't. And
we're going to like we created the climate and we're
going to end we're going to change the climate for
the planet Earth. Come on.

Speaker 3 (56:30):
Yeah, I love running through some of these climate change
forecasts or predictions. Right here are a few of the
twenty five years ago the smart people said snowfalls are
now just a thing of the past. They looked in
our mountains this year.

Speaker 7 (56:44):
I know.

Speaker 1 (56:44):
I remember someone said that we couldn't hold the twenty
thirty whatever Olympics because there'll be no snow found in Utah.

Speaker 3 (56:50):
Oh I remember that. Yeah, here's another one. Major European
cities will be sunk beneath rising seas. Yeah. Ye, no
glaciers on Mount Killiman Jarl.

Speaker 1 (57:03):
Yeah that's not true.

Speaker 3 (57:04):
There are more now than there ever have been. I mean,
I love these. John Kerry, who we all know in love,
yes right, declared at various times that we have fewer
than one hundred months to live.

Speaker 1 (57:17):
Yes, yeah, I mean, I you know what it's like
these like you know how they have those those people
that say, like the world's ending, They these cults, you know,
and they said it's going to end, and then the
date comes and goes, and well didn't end then what then?
It just you know, they just somehow nobody says anything.

Speaker 3 (57:34):
Like Costio Cortez five years ago said my name Miami
will will not exist anymore.

Speaker 1 (57:42):
Yeah, yeah, it just goes on.

Speaker 3 (57:44):
Six years ago then California Governor Jerry Brown said he
was sure that global warming was near, and he said,
in less than five years, even the worst skeptics will
be believers. We aren't believers anymore, Governor Brown, Sorry built that.
I mean all these crazy predictions. Remember you know who
he dated one time? Who you don't know this story? No,

(58:06):
Linda runs the singer. You got that going for him.
She was a bit of a smoke show in her day,
wasn't there were? They were a hot item at one time.

Speaker 1 (58:15):
Really huh?

Speaker 7 (58:17):
Yeah he was.

Speaker 1 (58:17):
He was governor of California. They left and I don't
know what he did, but then he came back and
he was governor for a couple more terms. Remember that
it was not that long ago. But I don't know
what's I think what's happened to California? They were they
were trying that model for the whole country, where they
just let unfettered illegal immigration run through the whole state
or state. It changed their population, their way, they redrew

(58:38):
their congressional districts, everything, it's it would I don't see
how a Republican could ever win the state of California statewide.
Ever again, even they recall a Newsome because he's such
a disaster of a governor. And then they after they
so he qualifies for the recall election, only to be
re elected. Like when they recalled Pete Wilson, the Republican
they they recalled him so they could boot him. They

(59:00):
recall new something to say, Yo, we still want you. Yeah,
I mean, come on.

Speaker 3 (59:04):
Makes a lot of sense. Does a shocking moment today
Greg on MSNBC and Morning Joe. Okay, now, the Democrats
have been arguing that all these illegal immigrants that Trump
is trying to get out of the country should not
be kicked out until due process.

Speaker 1 (59:21):
Yes, okay, you hear this drives me. There was this.

Speaker 3 (59:25):
Legal analyst who showed up on MSNBC with Morning Joe today.
They went through these litany of things about what Trump
is doing wrong when it comes to illegal immigration. And
guess what happened. The analyst broke the truth to the
Morning Joe team and he basically said illegal aliens are
not owed due process.

Speaker 1 (59:45):
Here here. You know why he says this is because
he remembers that Obama didn't use the judicial process at
all for his deportation. Yeah, he didn't. He didn't use them.
I mean there's there you have some immigration ones, but
you didn't have he was able to deport the port.
They called it removals, deportations, and they were non judicial
as they said.

Speaker 3 (01:00:05):
Well, they were kind of in a state of shock
this morning because they didn't realize that this legal analyst
laid it out and said, guess what, folks, they don't
have due process, they have no rights to do process.

Speaker 1 (01:00:17):
They probably started to cry.

Speaker 3 (01:00:19):
He fainted.

Speaker 1 (01:00:19):
Yeah, and Micah is probably beside her. So who brought
this guy on them on the show?

Speaker 3 (01:00:25):
He fainted? So someone is trying to straighten these guys out,
because who was it was it? Uh Brett Tolman who
was on the show a couple of weeks ago, and
he said former federal judge Paul Cassell, remember that, Yes,
said he's already pointed out and he went through point
by point that illegal aliens do not have the right
to do process in this country.

Speaker 1 (01:00:46):
Yeah, there's just a selective logic. Again, there's nothing that
the Democrats are and these the judges they shop around
and get in front of, there's nothing that they are
ruling on today that that that Barack Obama or Bill
Clinton wherever to now. I'm sure George W. Bush I
haven't looked, but that was nine to eleven, So I'm sure,
their deportations were very robust as well, but I'm looking

(01:01:08):
at Democrat presidents who did not have the judiciary holding
them up on their deportations at all. Those numbers are
in the I mean Obama's are three million, Clinton's are twelve,
but his twelve million they count the ones they turned
around at the border. It's a bit of a different
kind of count. But honestly, there's just there's just not

(01:01:28):
any comparison to what has happened before with what they're
trying to do to true rosident Trump paying teachers.

Speaker 3 (01:01:35):
Houston has now started a unique program, Greg. It's a
merit paid program that they claimed the whole teachers accountable.

Speaker 1 (01:01:42):
I can tell you these are hard to do. Yeah,
they're hard to pass. Yes, I tried.

Speaker 5 (01:01:47):
Well.

Speaker 3 (01:01:47):
Joining us on our Newsmaker line to talk about what
they're up to in Houston is our next guest needs
to arnold she's a policy analyst at the Manhattan Institute.
Need to thanks for joining us. How is Houston trying
to hold their teachers accountable?

Speaker 5 (01:02:00):
Yeah, so Houston is implementing a performance based paid program.
You know, we can call it merit pay, so teachers
would earn anywhere between sixty four thousand dollars more than
one hundred thousand dollars based on how they score on
certain metrics. So rather than being paid based on seniority,

(01:02:23):
it's based on factors like student improvement on tests, the
quality of instruction, planning, and professionalism, and then overall school
life performance. And each one of these metrics is weighted differently.
So student outcomes on tests is weighted at thirty five
percent of the score, quality of instruction is forty five

(01:02:45):
percent fifteen percent, and then how the school does overall
that's around five percent.

Speaker 1 (01:02:54):
So I'm a recovering public servant, and so i know
this space, this public policy space pretty well well in
the tough part. And and I'm all in on Mary
pay And I think this how long you've served, how
long you've taught, And you know your educational credits shouldn't apply.
It really should be on the ground and how these
students are able to respond to the teacher and their instruction.

(01:03:15):
But you have some areas where year over year progress
might be do they improve one letter grade or two
letter grades? But then you might get some areas where
these are good students to start with, they're already a students,
how do you measure proficiency year over your progress can
mean different things in different in different schools.

Speaker 5 (01:03:34):
Yeah, so I think that's why we measure improvement on
tests rather than what students actually get on their grade.
And then I think it's also worth noting that in
Houston's approach, it places a lot more emphasis on factors
that is within a school's control, you know, such as
the quality of instruction, and so test sports are a

(01:03:56):
part of that metric, but it's certainly not all of it.

Speaker 3 (01:04:00):
Need too. Why do we get the distinct feeling that
there was a lot of pushback on this from the teachers?
So what was there and what are they saying about this?

Speaker 5 (01:04:09):
Yeah, so I think there's a perception that many teachers
oppose these kinds of programs. But I think it's worth
noting that this opposition typically comes from teacher unions, and
that's because unions are typically run by older, veteran teachers,
and so they're going to advocate for their own interests.

(01:04:30):
Whereas Merit, they say, doesn't care if you've worked in
a district for five years or twenty years. It cares
about the outcomes.

Speaker 1 (01:04:39):
You're one hundred percent right, unions represent a quantity of teachers,
not the quality of the education, and so that's why
it's at odds with our teachers unions. So is there
a is this a pilot at this in this school
district or is this going to be implemented and brought
to scale across our whole school district? How does how
do you roll out something like this?

Speaker 5 (01:05:01):
Yeah, so Houston is actually going to roll out this
program starting in the twenty twenty six twenty twenty seven
academic year. I think an interesting fact though, is that
the superintendent who has pushed through this, Mike Miles, actually
implemented this kind of program when he was the superintendent
of Dallas schools throughout the twenty tens. And so there's

(01:05:23):
actually a study done which I cover in my City
Journal piece, where they looked at what happened to student
outcomes after merit pay was implemented during Mike Miles this time,
and so between twenty fifteen to twenty nineteen, students significantly improved.

(01:05:43):
Let me let me note this, low income students significantly
made improvements in reading and map by twenty nineteen, and
of course this is before the pandemic. But I think
it's worth noting that they made significant gains, and so
it's interesting to see Mike mile else bring this program
to Houston, and he does seem to have experience with

(01:06:05):
performance pace.

Speaker 3 (01:06:06):
Based pay in Dallas. Do we have any record, Nieto
that the district was able to draw and really retain
better teachers because of this planning he employed in Dallas.

Speaker 5 (01:06:19):
I don't have that information on hand for Dallas right now,
but what I ten say is when we look at
other studies that looked at retaining better teachers, they did
see improvement of Another study that I cover in my
article looked at Wisconsin's flexible pay scheme, which is a
kind of merit pay program. Essentially, a Wisconsin law allowed

(01:06:41):
school districts to opt into payment schemes that it's merit
based pay. Essentially, they're they're paying teachers based on outcomes
rather than experience. And so what Wisconsin saw was that
districts that paid teachers based on the quality rather then
it's rather than veteran status, attracted higher quality teachers. And

(01:07:05):
what was very interesting was that the lower quality teachers
either left the district altogether or they left Wisconsin public
schools permanently.

Speaker 1 (01:07:14):
You know, sometimes, especially with where you see the seniority
matters in teaching, sometimes the brand new teachers that arrive
find themselves without that seniority working in the most challenging
schools and classrooms. And where you would think that your
most successful or most effective teachers or those with greater
experience should probably be in those schools where you have

(01:07:35):
a challenge of where kids you know are behind and
they need to get up to grade level. Does this
address that? Does getting pay by performance or by merrit pay?
Does it get our best teachers and those that are
performing into some of the more challenging classrooms where their
skills would be most beneficial.

Speaker 5 (01:07:55):
Absolutely, And I think what's interesting is that one of
the advantages of younger teachers, it's just that I think
they have a lot more motivation, They have a lot
more hunger, you know, they're excited. Maybe they don't have
years of experiences bogging them down necessarily, but they have
that drive and they should be rewarded for that. And

(01:08:16):
that's what merret pay would do me too.

Speaker 3 (01:08:18):
Arnold she is with the Manhattan Institute talking about Houston's
merit pay program. Would be interesting Greg to see how
this all plans out apparently, or pans out apparently, or
worked in Dallas. We'll see what happens in Houston with it.
And you were involved in you tried to do something
like this at one time? Did you?

Speaker 1 (01:08:33):
We did I There's so many variations, and you'll have
people come and say it's just too hard. There's no
way you can measure because of there's home influences and
influences that the child, the student has at home that
will color the way they learn during school. And they
really try to take shallow water, muddy it up and
call it deep and say it's an impossible thing to do.
We had a pilot we were trying to do then

(01:08:54):
we hit the Great Recession. But there is just so
much political opposition to something that's in too it is
you take on the hardest task, you take on and
if you get kids, if you can just capture their
imaginations and you can get them to do things they
haven't done before, we want to we want to pay
you more for doing it.

Speaker 3 (01:09:10):
So pretty amazing, all right, mare Coming up the Rod
and Greg Show and Talk Radio one oh five nine
k n r S, first, Lady Abbi Conx to talk
about live on Utah at strong Auto. Of course, Strong
Auto a big supporter of the Live on campaign to
prevent suicide here in the state of Utah. And I
had a chance to ask first Lady Abbi Conx about
why she and the governor have im praised the Live

(01:09:30):
on campaign.

Speaker 11 (01:09:32):
Well, you know, we've we've definitely had our fair share
of tragedy here in the state, and when it comes
to suicide, and and so you know, if you look around,
you know, our obligation as state leaders really is to
make sure that every citizen as much as we possibly can,
that they're they're healthy, they're happy, they're they're productive, and that.

Speaker 1 (01:09:54):
We have a really bright future with our with our youth.

Speaker 11 (01:09:58):
And when when there's a high percentage of people dying
by suicide in your state, you have to you have
to address it, you really do. They're they're they're just
we cannot live like that. We cannot have a state
that has such high rates of suicide. And and and
for us, you know, there's a no brainer. We we
just have to address this.

Speaker 3 (01:10:18):
The message from the Live on campaign is connection is
the key. But in a world where we're so uh,
you know, things get in our way. Social media our phones,
you name it. How do we connect? How do people
connect down a one on one level, which is so important?
How do they do it?

Speaker 7 (01:10:35):
Yeah?

Speaker 11 (01:10:35):
Number one, put your phone down a great idea.

Speaker 10 (01:10:38):
You know for me, that's you know, I struggle with that.
You know, you you sit there with your family and
you're all on your phones, and you know you're you're
watching TV and doing stuff on your phone at the
same time, or you know, whatever it is. But really
it's that put your phone down, connect with someone face
to face, really start to make those connections. And if
there's somebody in your life that maybe feels like something's

(01:11:01):
a little off, it's time to make that connection, have
the conversation. Nobody's just going to open up to you
about their issues or it's something that's struggling with unless
you've first made a connection with them. So it's important
for us to, you know, look at our relationships, make
those connections, and then as those deepen, then we have
the opportunity to understand if something's off. If you if
you don't know somebody, you don't know something's off with them.

(01:11:24):
So it's important for us to really connect with our friends,
our neighbors, folks that we see out in the in
the world, and then and really have those deep conversations
after we make those beautiful connections.

Speaker 3 (01:11:35):
Final question, what would your message be to people hearing
the state of Utah and through this month in the
coming months about what they can do to help prevent suicide?
What would your message be?

Speaker 11 (01:11:44):
My message to those that are struggling right now is
that there's help. There's help, and there's healing, and there
are blue skies waiting for you. It may not seem
like it right now, but there is help. Reach out,
reach out to some that you love, that you trust,
and for those of us that aren't in that dark

(01:12:05):
place right now, it's our obligation to get educated through
Live on Utah dot org and understand the best ways
to prevent which is talked to somebody, ask them, connect
them with resources, give them hope, give them healing, and
together as a state, we can tackle this issue.

Speaker 3 (01:12:25):
Abbie Cox, the first Lady of the Great State of
Utah and talking about the Live on campaign, the Live
on campaign announcing today of course they've got some vehicles
that are now wrapped thanks to strong Auto and a
QR code. So if you see one of the vehicles
out you're looking for some resources to help a friend
or a family member who's dealing with suicide. Ideation, you

(01:12:47):
can use the QR code. And I think Greg is
the Utah has been a leader when it comes to
working to prevent suicide.

Speaker 1 (01:12:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:12:54):
All they can do.

Speaker 1 (01:12:55):
Yeah, we even got that. That the number, there's a
nine eight eight number that's federally. You have to get
that done. And there's a lot of work done there.
I think Representative Steve Ellison worked really hard. There's a
lot of people that happened there today.

Speaker 7 (01:13:07):
Was he good?

Speaker 3 (01:13:08):
Yeah, had a chance to talk to him.

Speaker 1 (01:13:09):
There's a lot to do, but he's he has been
such a strong and inconsistent voice on this front and
we've needed it. And because it has become a bigger
challenge as time.

Speaker 3 (01:13:19):
Goes on, he posts a challenge to me today we did. Yeah,
So how do you work every day with you?

Speaker 1 (01:13:25):
Yeah? Yeah, say because you won the lottery, that's why.
Because you're the luckiest man walking. And that's why. Because
Lady Lucky kissed you right on the cheek. That's what happened.

Speaker 3 (01:13:34):
Well, they gave me a kick in the butt, but
he was there, and you're right. The state has really
been a leader in this, and it's you know, we've
got the nine A eight, We've got safe UT, the
safe ut app, yes, which is really really good, and
a lot of states are saying, how'd you do it?
It is just coming together and working on a plan
to deal with this.

Speaker 1 (01:13:54):
Yeah, I I you know again, I maybe it's that
we're just too old. We're not used to social media.
But man, our circle of our perspective, we used to
be so much smaller in our neighborhood, our home, our church,
wherever we worked at you're just your your reference points
were so small. With social media, these kids are looking
at people's circumstances, many times contrived, not even real, and

(01:14:16):
then comparing it with their own. It's I just think
there's a lot coming at these kids, a lot more
than came at me.

Speaker 3 (01:14:21):
I'll tell you, yeah, me too. Of course, eyes around
in the dark.

Speaker 1 (01:14:23):
Age, Oh yeah, you use candles to see in the
dark in your time, So you know.

Speaker 3 (01:14:27):
Stone Tabler is that we had that?

Speaker 1 (01:14:30):
All right?

Speaker 3 (01:14:30):
Tomorrow we invite you to join us. We'll be on
the road tomorrow broadcasting live from Makey Co Tour and Layton.
So guys, if you're a little late, can't think of
an idea for the sweetheart in your life or Mother's Day.
We're going to have some great offers on a brand
new blad from Making Go Tour. We'll see you tomorrow,
head off, shoulders back. May God bless you and your family.

(01:14:50):
It's a great country of ours. Thanks for listening today.
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