The Rod and Greg Show: Breaking Down Senator Lee's Plan to Sell Public Lands

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Well, you thought I wasn't. Thought I wasn't going to
make it. First of all, then I get sick, and
neither has happened. I can't.

Speaker 2 (00:07):
You're not. When's Rod getting here? You're ai?

Speaker 3 (00:13):
You are.

Speaker 1 (00:14):
We love Wednesdays and we have got a great show
for you lined up today.

Speaker 4 (00:17):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (00:18):
Someone had decided to call Donald Trump daddy.

Speaker 2 (00:21):
I thought this was a joke.

Speaker 1 (00:23):
No, this is not a joke.

Speaker 2 (00:24):
This is real.

Speaker 1 (00:25):
Apparently the head of NATO mentioned to all the other
NATO members that Donald Trump is their daddy. It's just crazy.
We'll get into that. We'll talk about Mike Leed's public
lands bill. Still, someone who both of us admire, Congresswoman
Harriet Hagerman from Wyoming. Nearby Wyoming, will join us in

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the five o'clock hour tonight to talk about this. She
has written about this, about the impact it would have
on Wyoming and all the false narratives that are being
pushed out there, and she explains that children us live
a little bit later on, of course, we'll talk about
your favorite subject, the alligator Alcatraz.

Speaker 2 (01:06):
Yes, I love this.

Speaker 5 (01:07):
This is my far and away my most favorite public
you know, just current event going on is alligator Alcatraz.
All the neighbors are so excited about their new neighbors
that you put a thousand plus temporary beds for an
ice facility. There isn't anyone that wants to not meet
the new arrivals, the pythons, the alligators, they are all

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very excited to have a meet your neighbor moment.

Speaker 2 (01:29):
It's so exciting.

Speaker 6 (01:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:30):
Yeah, Well, we've got a lot to get to today,
and as well we invite you to be a part
of the program. Oh as well, we have more tickets
to give away to Jason Alden.

Speaker 2 (01:38):
Make it rain, Rod, make it.

Speaker 1 (01:40):
Rain sometime this afternoon. That's going to be coming your way.
And a lot going on as well. We like to
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Yeah, and we'll use it if we can if we
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This is an easy way to make a comment.

Speaker 5 (02:43):
I'm so mad this didn't exist. When I was just
a listener to your show. I wouldn't even try to call.

Speaker 1 (02:47):
I would just be there.

Speaker 5 (02:48):
I would be sending you thirty second truth bombs multiple
times a day.

Speaker 2 (02:52):
Everything you said. I would have something to say about.

Speaker 1 (02:53):
Why am I not surprised? All right? Now, this doesn't
affect us. And I debated whether or not we really
want to talk about this, but I think there's a broader,
a broader approach on this store. We're talking about the
election of the mayor in New York City because let
me tell you what Wall Street is panicking to day.
I mean, they they they're they're ready to jump out
of buildings because of the election of this momdy guy

(03:16):
who is the new mayor of or could be about
to become the mayor of New York City. And it
is freaking them out.

Speaker 5 (03:22):
It is on a on a real personal level. It's
not what does this do to the markets? It's a
how do I get the work? How do where do
I live? How am I going to strunt? You're going
to get a mayor who wants to abolish, doesn't want to,
you know, defund the police. He just doesn't even want
the NYPD. I mean, there's it's a laundry list of
the most scary, terrible ideas anyone, any communists has ever

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come up. For a guy who's been an American citizen
for seven years, yea whose own mother brags on social media,
this guy's no American. Don't ever think of that he's
he's he's Uganda and Indian, He's not American. Anyway, you
couldn't script a worse face or leader for the Democrat
Party than this character right here and everyone. He's got
Schumer congratulating him, Bill Clinston sounds like he's becoming their apparent.

Speaker 1 (04:07):
Well, let me tell you what great. At a time
when the Democrats, and we've talked a lot about this,
are in such disarray right now and they can't find
a leader, They've now got this guy showing up. Klay
Travits earlier on his show today outline many of things
that many of the things that this guy believes in.
Listen to this.

Speaker 4 (04:27):
This is what New York City just elected. What this
guy ran on is so far left wing it's crazy.
He has said that he wants to abolish the New
York Police Department. He has said that he wants to
abolish prisons, abolish medical bills, ban all guns and cash bail,

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decriminalize all drug possession, in sentencing enhancements, and all cooperation
with ice. He believes Benjamin net and Yahoo, if he
comes to New York City, should be arrested for war crimes,
and has also advocated for city grocery stores to replace

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the existing grocery stores. These are absolutely crazy town perspectives
and positions, and he won an overwhelming relative to expectation
Democrat Party victory.

Speaker 1 (05:25):
That's played Travis on his show today, and he's talking
about Zora and Mom Diney, who is who most likely
will be the next mayor of New York City?

Speaker 5 (05:32):
And you would think you couldn't add to a horror
a list of horrors like that, Let me add to it.
He wants to get rid of all private health care
and health insurance. And his campaign manager has on his
description of who he is on social media, his praise
and love for Luigi, the murderer of that health insurance executive.

Speaker 1 (05:49):
I think he's a hero.

Speaker 5 (05:50):
Thanks, he thinks he's a hero. So you're talking about
a mindset where political violence is not only just accepted,
it's embraced and promoted if it's on their side of
the of the isle. That's the kind of scary rhetoric
that you're coming out of that guy, that candidate. I
don't know, I just don't know how they're in a hole.
And they just started, they just went double time on

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the digging.

Speaker 2 (06:12):
Okay, they just there. He is going to go as
fast as they can.

Speaker 1 (06:14):
They're digging well. As a matter of fact, The New
York Times today this morning had a map of where
his support came from in this city. Yes, one area
where he got a lot of support was an area
where a lot of people well educated, white, about forty
or younger right, and they supported him in overwhelming numbers.
And what does that say now about the Democratic Party,

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the wing of the Democratic Party, the progressive wing of
the Democratic Party, and what miss means. Here's Chris Coons,
He's the senator from its Connecticut, I believe, who talks
about the impact that this progressive wing is now having
on the Democratic Party.

Speaker 8 (06:49):
And as long as they're driving our party, and as
long as they're defining our message, we're going to lose
more voters if voters think we are more concerned about
Latin X or you know, using terms like people justice
involved adolescents or people experiencing homelessness. As long as they

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think the Democratic Party is an academic lounge fighting over
linguistic policing rather than fighting for opportunity for working class
Americans who are struggling to get ahead, they're going to say, eh,
and as long as we engage with people in a
way that treats them as sort of two dimensional cutouts,
where like we're for you, but we're not with you,

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and we don't hear you, and we don't share your journey,
We're going to keep losing.

Speaker 1 (07:36):
Yeah, here's Chris Coons saying, we're gonna keep losing if
you continue to support these progressives. Now, list to Tom Holman,
who is the New Borders are way in on the
election of this guy yesterday, their candidate.

Speaker 9 (07:46):
He hadn't won yet, but he wasn't the Democratic primaries
orain Mom Donnie.

Speaker 1 (07:49):
So he's saying, I mean, this is incredible.

Speaker 9 (07:51):
He's vowed to kick the quote fascist ice out of
New York City. Okay, so how do you intend to
deal with that? Because I would guess there are gonna
be a lot of criminals and Iranian cells and whatnot
in New York City.

Speaker 1 (08:04):
The job's not done there. What do you say to
this guy.

Speaker 2 (08:07):
Good luck with that.

Speaker 6 (08:08):
Buggle law trumps him every every every day, every hour,
every minute, we're going to be in New York City.
A matter of fact, because there's a sanctuary city. President
Trump made a clear a week and a half ago.
We're going We're going to double down on triple down
the sanctuary cities. If we can't arrest the bad guy
in accounting g A one agent rest and one bad guy,
they release him in the streets like New York does
every day. We got to send a whole team to

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look at this this guy. And not only that, we're
going to send additional teams to look for all the
people they rest. We're going to constraint sanctuary cities because
we know they're releasing public safety thrusting, national security thrusts
back to the street. So we know we got a
problem there. So we don't have that problem in Florida
with most sheriff's workforce. So we're going to double up
and trumple up on New York. And not only are
we going to send more agents in the neighborhood, we're

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going to increase work site enforcement ten pold. If we
can't arrest them in the jail, you're go enforce the neighborhood.
Then we'll find in the neighborhood. If we can't find
in the neighborhood, we'll find him at the work site.

Speaker 2 (08:59):
So gay on, we're coming.

Speaker 1 (09:01):
Boy, do I spell the confrontation coming. Tom Holman is
not going to back down, and neither will Donald Trump.

Speaker 5 (09:06):
Well, and they'll find out. Like you just mentioned, Rod,
that I'm looking at the demographics of the people that voted.

Speaker 2 (09:11):
These are legal voters. These are people. But if you are,
if you.

Speaker 5 (09:14):
Immigrated this country and you're a legal citizen, you or
someone in your family remembers the communist regime you probably
escaped from. Fifty percent of Hispanic or Latino of any
race voted for Cuomo. Well, only thirty percent voted for
mem Donnie, who ended up winning. And then you take
law and order, public safety, Black or African American voters

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by doubled twice as many voted for Cuomo over who
ultimately won. And then you take other multiple races again
forty percent for Cuomo, twenty nine percent for Memdanmi. So
talking about the issues he cares about the most that
would be impacted, the communities that would be impacted the
most by those they did not support this man from mayor. So, Yeah,

(09:57):
there's a that city's in for a I'll tell you.

Speaker 1 (10:01):
That's for sure. All right. We'll talk more about that
coming up on the Rod and Greg show. You and
the Pittsburgh area. I grew up in upstate New York. Yes,
it would get hot. My humidity areas back there, right,
But did you ever hear the term heat dome? Never
we're suffering through a heat dome. I've never heard of it,
night man. The humidity wild. I mean, we have a
dry heat here in Utah, which is a beautiful type

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of thing. It is.

Speaker 2 (10:24):
The humidity is evil. But no, I've never heard of
a heat dome.

Speaker 1 (10:27):
Well, boy, I tell you what. It's hot in certain
parts of the country right now, and they love the
use of that term heat dome. It's heat dome hysteria.
All of a sudden, it's become a climate apocalypse. Let's
talk more about what's going on. Joining us on our
any hour newsmaker line is Leslie Eastman, a writer with
Legal Insurrection. We've had Leslie on the show before. She's
a great guest. Leslie, how are you welcome back to

(10:48):
the Rod and Greg Show.

Speaker 10 (10:51):
Thank you for inviting me on to discuss this hot topic.

Speaker 1 (10:56):
Well, let's talk about Let's talk about this heat dome hysteria.
Typically summers get hot. What has changed over the years
in your opinion, Leslie?

Speaker 11 (11:06):
Interesting?

Speaker 10 (11:06):
You should ask that question because it's the language. And
I placed that article in the hopper this week to
start change in the language or making people aware of
the language manipulation.

Speaker 2 (11:21):
That has gone on.

Speaker 10 (11:24):
For discussing this particular topic, because I find that fascinating.

Speaker 5 (11:30):
Yeah, So if we have a term like heat dome,
which we've not really heard before, it suggests that we
have more there's something happening that we haven't had happen before.
But I don't know that that's necessarily the case.

Speaker 10 (11:42):
As you look back in history, as I do, you'll
find that it's not the case. And in fact, the
worst heat wave this nation has experienced on record was
in nineteen thirty six and was associated with the Great
dust Ball. So we have been much cooler and we'll
say more temperate since then. But the term, interestingly first

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appeared in like the nineteen eighties, and there was about
sixty appearances of that term between nineteen eighty and two thousand.
Two thousand kicks in and what's getting promoted global warming,
So between two thousand and ten, I mean twenty ten
and twenty nineteen, there are over seven hundred mentions of

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the term, and it got adopted officially by the American
Meteorological Society in twenty twenty two, as they are promoting
through quote unquote consensus science, global warming, and it's time
for us to be aware of this language manipulation that
makes every hot summer day a climate catastrophe.

Speaker 1 (12:49):
Leslie, did weather people just get bored? Instead of calling
it hot, they now have to call it a heat dome?
Did they just get tired one to create something more
interesting in their language?

Speaker 10 (13:00):
Well, I think it's an old adjut. If it bleeds,
it lead and people in the weather business want to
get eyes on their product, so they use very strong language.
And again, as I've noted before often in my post,
very few people writing about scientific topics have a strong

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science background. So the people discussing this will not double
check the history and will not question what is being
presented and use the hot button terms to gin up
hits and clicks on their particular web website. And I
wanted to start drawing that attention because now our fossil

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fuel companies are being taken to court being blamed for
a Pacific Northwest heat home, which a clearly no reasonable
person thinks they are responsible for.

Speaker 5 (13:57):
So it's funny you show it you show up including
in your articles. There's this graph of these two different summers.
And I remember the summer of nineteen eighty eight I
graduated from high school. I remember that summer very very well.
I drove from Pittsburgh. I even drove out here to
Utah to see the state. I remember a lot about
nineteen eighty eight, But what I don't remember about nineteen

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eighty eight is that it was the hottest year we've
ever had. Because in nineteen eighty eight, sixty one, you
put a almost sixty two percent of America was it
more than ninety degrees, ten almost eleven percent was over
one hundred degrees. Compare that to right now forty five
percent or at ninety degrees, and there's less than point
three percent that are over one hundred degrees. So, if

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this is a heat dome and someone's telling me that
back in nineteen eighty eight that was a really hot summer,
I don't even remember that summer being catastrophic. I don't
There was no dome. There was no heat dome that
I knew of. So I think, why don't we have
this institutional memory. Why isn't this a part of the discussion.

Speaker 10 (15:00):
Yeah, because the people who are want to have this
discussion are normally repressed. I wist say the mainstream media
is the reason we are having this discussion is alternative
media is becoming much more stronger and much more present.
And there's some really great guys doing some really heavy
lifting out there. And I specifically cite Chrit Smarts and

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doctor Matthew Wilecki, who have done a terrific job in
promoting reasonable science, you know, looking at the geologic history,
looking at the full history, and challenging the assertions being
made by those who simply want to promote, you know,
global warming to either genet panic and clicks or otherwise

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manipulate people into adopting green energy technologies that are inefficient.

Speaker 1 (15:54):
Leslie, as always great insight. We appreciate a few minutes
of your time, Enjoy the rest of the day, and
stay cool, as they say.

Speaker 12 (16:00):
Right, yeah, stay cool too.

Speaker 10 (16:02):
You guys are thank you.

Speaker 2 (16:05):
For your work.

Speaker 1 (16:06):
All right on our news maker line, Leslie Eastman, she's
with Legal Insurrection talking about a heat dome. You know what, Greg,
it's just hot, and every summer is hot, and it's true,
this heat dome stuff. And I was trying to think
of the term they use when we get a rainstorm,
what is it a rain tsunami or something like that.
You know, they've created these terms. It's like it's a rainstorm,

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it's a thunderstorm, it's hot.

Speaker 2 (16:29):
You brought up a good point.

Speaker 5 (16:30):
There's a lot of clickbait involved, there's a lot of
trying to get attention. But you have the other thing too.
If you have a society that's getting more secular and
there's less religion in their lives, these topics become their religion.
Oh yeah, this becomes this becomes religious zeal that we're
cooking ourselves, even if the data doesn't actually match up
to it. He gives someone something to wrap their minds
around and get passionate about.

Speaker 1 (16:52):
Kind of crazy. All right, We've got a whole lot
more to come your way on this Wingman Wednesday afternoon
right here on Utah's Talk Radio one oh five nine knrs.
Great to be with you this afternoon. Well, this is
an issue, Greg that has continues to stir up debate
in this country, and we're talking hit about Mike Leeds
public lands bill.

Speaker 5 (17:10):
Yes, yeah, it's it's it's it's it's crazy people. I've
been I've been working. I was elected in the legislature
in two thousand and two. We've had federal the If
you looked at a map, if you saw how much
the federal government Washington, d c. Owns, controls of the
owns and controls the land of Utah and the little
white specs that are actually private property or state property

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or that we can actually grow in.

Speaker 2 (17:34):
It's so small.

Speaker 5 (17:35):
I have never heard until now self proclaimed conservatives say
oh no, no, no, I want the Feds to be
in charge of that land. They need to stay completely
in charge of all that land. They know exactly what
they're doing. I've never heard it. You know why, because
they don't want you on that land either, and they
don't make it easier to get to themselves.

Speaker 2 (17:52):
I've never heard this argument. It's low in my mind.

Speaker 1 (17:55):
Well, joining us on our news maker line right now
is Adam pack Acadam is a congressional reporter of the
Daily Color. It was a one unelected official who through
a bit of a wrench into what Mike Lee is
trying to do. And joining us on our newsmaker line
is Adam pack Adam, thanks for joining us. Tell us
what this Senate parliamentary did who she is and what
she did to block Mike leaves bill.

Speaker 13 (18:17):
Well, it's great to be joining you, and it's it's
a really interesting story. To back up a little bit, So,
the Senate is currently drafting its version of President Donald
Trump's Bit Beautiful Bill. What this is going to contain,
it's a big portion of his legislative agenda, think immigration,

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tax cuts, who's to defense spending, and a whole lot
of other things. But but we also have Senator Lee's
public lands available. He has put this proposal forward. Democrats
who are opposed to the provision have challenged it on
the grounds that it violates the strict budget rules that
the budget package that the budget package it is within.

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So basically what has happened here is that they are
saying that this provision cannot go in the package because
it doesn't have a direct effect on spending or revenue.
It sounds a little wonky, but it's incredibly important to
what is allowed to go in President Donald Trump's big

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Beautiful Bill. And so the Senate Parliamentarian, who is this
unelected official in the Senate, she helps interpret Senate procedure
for the Senators.

Speaker 14 (19:39):
She plays a very instrumental role.

Speaker 13 (19:42):
In this budget reconcilation process that the Senate is currently
embarked on, she has said that this provision cannot go
in the package. And basically what that means is that
Senator Lee has been forced to revise his proposal ride
it in a way that it will comply with Senate

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budget rules.

Speaker 14 (20:05):
And that's kind of where we are right now.

Speaker 13 (20:08):
Senator Le has submitted this revised proposal, and we can
kind of get into what that proposal says, and we're
waiting to hear whether this unelected official, the Senate Parliamentarian,
will agree to let this proposal be in Senate Republican's
budget package.

Speaker 5 (20:28):
You know, I understand a reconciliation bill that only requires
fifty one Senate votes is budget related, and I understand
the logic behind it. But my two questions One would be,
is it not specific enough? Because it certainly does talk
about land exchange or the disposal of federal land and
there is a budget component to that. Does it just

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need to be more prescriptive in that process? And second,
I think back to like the New Green Deal, and
that was a policy driven bill that somehow found itself
in a budget bill, UH that also had money but
it was it was policy. So I I guess my
questions are, one, does the does senator really just have
to be more prescriptive on how that the budget works?

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And and how did the new Green Deal get into
a reconciliation bill with as much public policy as has
been packed into that?

Speaker 14 (21:19):
Yes, and that is a great question.

Speaker 13 (21:22):
What Senator Lee has done with this proposal at the moment,
and he said that these revisions were actually made even
before the Senate Parliamentarian ruled against his initial proposal. But
what but what he's done, after consulting with hunting and
in conservation groups, is he has to remove all the

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forest land that would have been previously eligible for sale
under his initial proposal from the revised version, so we're
not selling off any any forest lands. He's also limited
the amounts of on BLM Bureau of Land Management owned
land that would be eligible for sale in this proposal

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and limited that land to areas within five miles of
population centers.

Speaker 14 (22:12):
So it's a little unclear sometimes what.

Speaker 13 (22:15):
The parliamentarian, this unelected official once and some people would
interpret her decision making to be sometimes a little subjective.
But what we know is that Senilarly is very committed
to getting this proposal in the budget package, and he
has retooled it in a way that he is optimistic

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will comply with Senate rules.

Speaker 14 (22:42):
And going to your.

Speaker 13 (22:44):
Second question about how Democrats, when there was a Democratic
trifecta in Washington under former President Joe Biden, how they
were able to get some of the aspects of the
Green New Deal past the Senate, past the House where
President Biden signed it into wall.

Speaker 14 (23:03):
They were able to enable.

Speaker 13 (23:05):
It in a way that the parliamentarians signed offline. You know,
she she got some criticism for that, perhaps right rightfully,
but they were.

Speaker 14 (23:19):
Essentially just able to retool it in a way that
that made it okay, that.

Speaker 13 (23:24):
That it was able to comply with with budget rules.
It's sometimes a process that's very frustrating because some long
sought after goals are are rules that they can't be
in the proposal or or something that you don't like
it is taken out.

Speaker 1 (23:43):
So so we'll have to see, Yeah, Adam, final question,
when do we expect her to make a ruling on this?
We're talking about the parliamentarian. Her name is Elizabeth McDonough.
When will she rule on this and say it's in
or it's out again. I mean, do we know when,
because the clock is ticking on all of this.

Speaker 14 (24:00):
You are you are absolutely correct, the clock is ticking.

Speaker 13 (24:03):
President Trump has asked for this bill to be on
his desk by July fourth. Senate Majority Leader John Thune
has said that he wants to pass this bill by Friday.

Speaker 14 (24:14):
So we're looking.

Speaker 13 (24:14):
At a bill that passed sometime hopefully at the end
of this week, maybe at the latest, sometime during the weekend.
That means the parliamentary and needs to roll within the.

Speaker 14 (24:26):
Next day or so. If they are going to get
this bill done in time.

Speaker 13 (24:32):
That the timing of it is unclear, but we are
expecting to hear a result soon.

Speaker 14 (24:40):
So so so we will have to.

Speaker 1 (24:42):
See on our any hour newsmaker line. That is Adam
Pack He is a congression reporter for The Daily Caller
and Greg. We need to mention. Coming up at five
oh five, Wyoming Congresswoman Harriet Hagerman will join us. We've
never had her on the show. We're big fans of
hers and talk about somebody who knows land policy issues.

Speaker 15 (24:58):
She does.

Speaker 5 (24:58):
She's been a land used to on her entire career
before public service. She understands this issue intimately.

Speaker 1 (25:04):
Yeah, that's coming up at five oh five right here
on the Rod and Greg Show.

Speaker 2 (25:07):
Great to be with you, lot to discuss a lot
going on.

Speaker 1 (25:10):
Matter of fact, we need to mention Congresswoman Maggie Hagerman
from nearby Wyoming is going to be joining us at
five oh five. Harriet Harry, I'm sorry. She is going
to talk about Mike Leeds Public Lands Bill, and we'll
get into that because a lot of Wyoming is also controlled.

Speaker 5 (25:26):
Well, yeah, this is the western state, and there is
a lot of federal control ownership and control of the land,
and there's there's just a lot of narratives out there
that again I have just I just don't I think
we need to just flush it out because we cannot.
We cannot we If environmentalists and leftists want to fight
for more federal control about our lives, let them be

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the ones doing that job. Whoever sold the bill of
goods that sixty five percent of our state should be
controlled by those Feds in Washington, d C. We got
we got to talk together, we got to work it out.

Speaker 1 (25:56):
Yeah. A couple other stories the there's a Democratic strategist
who's come up with a rather unique approach to attracting
more young men into the Democratic Party. You know they
they're really struggling with this. Right, you're ready for this one.
The key to the young male vote beer, they say,

(26:18):
lower the drinking age.

Speaker 2 (26:20):
Yeah, well, you know what, you want.

Speaker 1 (26:22):
To attract young men to the party.

Speaker 5 (26:24):
Yeah, you vote to lower the drink him drunk enough
to like your party. Okay, it's just not going to work.
You can feed them all the beer you want.

Speaker 1 (26:31):
Yeah, it's not going to happen, is you know?

Speaker 2 (26:32):
They did?

Speaker 5 (26:33):
I mean, the left did do their best level best
to destroy bud Light. I don't know if it's happened
or not, but but you can't if you try to
repair it and try to give them a bunch of beer,
they're still not voting for you. Yeah, that's true, because
common sense people to have figured out what's going on.

Speaker 1 (26:46):
Now here's an idea I absolutely love. I'm not sure
if any Utah school would apply for this, Greg But
in honor, in honor of the nation's two hundred and
fiftieth birthday next year, can you believe we're two hundred
and fifty years old next year? We're youngsters? How are
you going to say that's a country that's been around
since I don't know time.

Speaker 5 (27:04):
Yeah, it's the institutional knowledge of Switzerland and like knowing
that that used to the glaciers there that's only been
there for like five hundred years.

Speaker 2 (27:11):
There was before then, there wasn't any We.

Speaker 5 (27:13):
Don't have any of that institutional knowledge memory of this
continent as a people.

Speaker 1 (27:18):
Well, they're that young. That's why I love this idea.
The Department of Education, and I hope some Utah schools
may apply for this, would enable students to learn American
history through a new grand program. And this grand program
is they would study the Founding Fathers. Isn't that a
unique idea?

Speaker 3 (27:34):
Oh?

Speaker 5 (27:34):
That's that's that's probably controversial. That's not going to be
a way. They'd rather give Democrats rather give the kids beer.

Speaker 1 (27:41):
Yeah, give the kids.

Speaker 5 (27:42):
They don't want them to learn about the Founding Fathers.
That's a deal killer. That's going to hurt them. How
do you get a communist elected or you know, elected
in your primary, like a mayor from New York for instance,
if they know about the Founding Fathers and who they
were actually fighting against?

Speaker 1 (27:55):
What what debate was it? I can't I tried to
remember this today, and I couldn't remember where Joe Biden
lost his teeth.

Speaker 5 (28:02):
It was his first debate that there was the first
one Trump, It wasn't Trump, it wasn't a Democrat. It
was in the Democrat debate, and it was his first one.
I'm like, cool, this started off. Well, he's going to
do real well. They just got better glue.

Speaker 1 (28:16):
We're giving away tickets to Jaysonalden, right, yes, Leanne rhyme?
Do you know who Leanne Ry? Popular country music at
one time? I think and hid for a while. She
was She was performing on stage in the state of
Washington the other night, and guess what happened? Her teeth
fell out in the middle of the She has a bridge.

Speaker 2 (28:38):
A bridge. I feel bad for her, and I don't
feel bad for Biden.

Speaker 1 (28:42):
No, it fell out during the performance. She had to
run off stage and that ended then ended the concert.
But a bridge fell out? Awkward? Yeah, little difficult. How
do you explain that one?

Speaker 2 (28:55):
I don't know what to tell him.

Speaker 5 (28:56):
Yeah, I guess, yeah, yeah, yeah. He says that must
have been the mess made her teeth fall out.

Speaker 1 (29:04):
But she apologized and came back. But performing in her
teeth fell out. See if our teeth fell out. Yeah,
minors solidly in my hat, my head. They're not coming out,
all right, You I don't know. Congress Woman Harriet Hagerman
from the great state of Wyoming.

Speaker 2 (29:21):
We'll join us next on the Rod and Greg Show,
Public Land Back at It.

Speaker 5 (29:25):
We I'm so excited for this interview because I have
I'm just disoriented. I've been from a recovering, recovering public servant.
I have stared at, worked on, traveled the state, worked
on this issue about the federal own owning, ownership and
control of the land, which never gets nicer. They never
get nicer. They always restrict it more and more. But

(29:45):
we're in this weird season right now where I'm hearing
from conservatives that are defending the federal government ownership of
sixty five plus percent of the state of Utah as
we are brimming and we're crowded, and where our land
prices are so high. So we I need someone that's
super smart on this issue.

Speaker 1 (30:01):
And our next guest is we're talking about Wyoming, Wyoming
Congressman HARRYT. Haseman, a congresswoman. She is joining us on
our Newsmaker line right now to talk about this congresswoman
how Are you welcome to the Rod and Greg Show.
Great to be with you this afternoon.

Speaker 11 (30:16):
Well, I am wonderful. And you can call me congressman
or congress woman either, want to just call me Harriet.

Speaker 1 (30:23):
That's easier, all right, Harriet. That's honoring your wishes. That's
exactly what we'll do.

Speaker 4 (30:29):
Harriet.

Speaker 1 (30:29):
I want to ask you, what is the one thing
in your opinion that people do not understand about what
Mike Lee and his bill and what it's trying to do.
What's the one thing that they do not understand.

Speaker 11 (30:42):
They do not understand that it is very very targeted
to specific lands to address housing problems in states like Wyoming, Utah, Idaho, Arizona, California,
New Mexico. What they're true doing and I think that
this is intentional. The intentional misdirection and misinformation is to
get people all worked up that we're going to sell
Tetah National Park. We're gonna, you know, pay paradise and

(31:06):
put up a parking lot in Yellowstone National Park. We're
going to take away all the national monuments. We're going
to sell this to the highest bidder. We're going to
take away all your fishing spots. We're going to take
away all of the land. And that is absolute misinformation.
And the people who are spreading it know that, but
they are doing it intentionally because they realize that most
people will not go look at the bill itself.

Speaker 5 (31:28):
So Harriet, I was going to call you Congressoman, but
Harriet here you know you are a land USSE attorney.

Speaker 2 (31:33):
You know this.

Speaker 5 (31:34):
You beat Liz Cheney, thank you very much, and you
are the member of the lone member of Congress in Wyoming.
But you know land issues, I think better than anyone.
I have been arguing for years. Many in Utah who
know this issue have been arguing for years that when
the state when this when you become a state, but
the federal government continues to own most of your land,
there's no revenue, there's no taxes for property taxes, There's

(31:57):
nowhere to grow as a state. It's like a former
jerryman during the penu into these small areas. The federal
government gives you pennies and lieu of trillions. They give
you some amount for that land by way of because
you're not getting attacks. But how does that impact because
we I think Wyoming would be the same. We have
limited land. If there's low supply and there's high demand.

(32:17):
Everything gets more expensive there, it's more expensive.

Speaker 11 (32:22):
But if every aspects of your government, as you are
pointing out, so Wyoming, our surfaces state is forty eight
percent of our surfaces state is owned by the sense
in Utah at sixty three percent. And so what ends
up happening is that we are not brought into the
We were not brought into the union under the equal
footing clause of the United States Constitution, which says every

(32:44):
new state that comes into the Union comes in on
an equal footing as essentially every other state in the nation.
But as we moved west, and the reality is that
there are some lands that were not suitable for homesteading,
that it's not suitable for farming, not suitable for that,
and I get that. That's what's largely became the BLM lands.
And then under the eighteen ninety seven Organic Act, we

(33:04):
created the National Forest Service Lands. But it was never
intended when you look at our constitution and you look
at our history, it was never intended that the federal
government would own six hundred and forty million acres. But
even setting aside the constitutional aspect of this, let's just
look at the reality of the situation. So the examples
that I keep using to try to explain what Mike

(33:24):
Lee is doing is if you go to Las Vegas,
you'll see quite a few open lots. And I have
always wondered, as I've driven around Las Vegas, why in
the world are all of the Do they have all
these open lots and it's full of blow dirt, surrounded
by chain league fences, homelessness, you know, trash, that sort
of thing, And I think, my gots, these lands must
be worth millions. Why aren't that they not developed? Well,

(33:46):
they're not developed because they're owned by the BLM, But
the b ALUM does not manage urban resources, nor should they.
They were never intended to, and they don't have the
skills and the resources to do it. So for me,
I look at those lands and I think these are
a classic exam of the type of lands that should
be easily conveyed to the developers and the city of
Las Vegas so that they can infill rather than build outwards.

(34:09):
You've got the infrastructure there, you have the streets, you
have all of that. This makes sense for the BLM
to dispose of these kinds of isolated parcels and they
make sense. For the city of Las Vegas.

Speaker 16 (34:21):
You taught you just.

Speaker 11 (34:22):
Mentioned that you have what eighty percent of your population
in just a couple accounts.

Speaker 1 (34:28):
Four counties, four counties out of twenty nine.

Speaker 11 (34:32):
So I get asked the question all the time, how
do we keep our young people in Wyoming? How do
we make sure I want my children and grandchildren to
be able to live here? In My response is we
you have to have jobs in housing, but when we
are so landlocked because of either forest service or BLM lands,
it becomes very difficult to do so. Over in western Wyoming,
we have a town called Kemera, and Kemera is where

(34:54):
Bill Gates is building his natrium reactor. Okay, we desperately
need house in that community, but it's entirely surrounded by BLM.
Why wouldn't we identify forty acre, sixty acre, or thirty
seven acres one hundred and twenty acres right there next
to contiguous town to the town of Kemera to be

(35:16):
able to convey to the city to developers again whomever
it might be, the state of Wyoming, so that people
can come in and they can buy affordable housing in
that area, so that they can work where they live
and live where they work. Right now, we have people
coming from Salt Lake, we have people coming from Evanston
to go to work in that community because there's no
affordable housing because it's landlocked. That is exactly what Mike

(35:39):
Lee is targeting. So if you look at his bill,
it is very specific to affordable housing. And I'm not
talking low income housing. Affordable housing and Kemera is different
than affordable housing, and Sheridan's different than We're not trying
to jerrymander the market. We're trying to say, free up
some land so they can be sold, then we can

(36:00):
develop it. That is common sense and that's what Mike
Lee has done.

Speaker 1 (36:04):
Harriet the one. You know, there is a large sector
of people who enjoy hunting and fishing here in Utah
and I would imagine in Wyoming who are very concerned
about what Mike Lee is trying to do that they
won't have access to those popular areas. How do you
respond to that criticism that you hear from the hunting,
the fishing, the outdoor recreationist community.

Speaker 11 (36:25):
Please read the bill and don't shoot your guns next
to people who are living in camera right now, You're
not hunting and fishing on those lands that are contiguous
to camera. This is exactly the kind of land I
am not talking Mike Is. Senator Lee is not talking
about developing lands up in the Bayhorns. Last week, I
was doing town halls around Wyoming, and I was talking

(36:46):
about how beautiful it was to drive from Level over
to share It and across the Bayhorns, and somebody started
screaming at me, you're trying to sell those lands. And
I said, why in the world would I sell those lands?
Do you honestly believe that that would be affordable housing?
To try to do a house development on top of
the Bighorns, that'd be the dumbest thing in history. My gosh,
it would cost you one hundred million dollars just to

(37:06):
build the infrastructure out there for the pipelines and everything
else you need. That is the point. Please read the bill,
and when you read the bill, you will recognize that
this is not the threat that you claim that it is,
or that people claim that it is. It again, is
very targeted primarily around urban areas. I believe that the
latest iteration of his bill keeps the BLM lands that

(37:27):
would be subject to this within five miles of the
boundary of an urban area, and I have people say, well,
show us the mouse. What lands are you talking about?
And I said, there aren't maps. The mouths that are
out there are again a part of the misinformation campaign
about this, But I said, I don't want to be
the one that are that is producing the maps. We

(37:48):
want the local community, we want the states, We want
the people who live there to identify the band of
lands that would be subject to this kind of a bill.
And somebody TechEd into yesterday. I told them about the
challenges we have with Kemera and Las Vegas, and she said, well,
that makes perfect sense. I mean, why wouldn't we sell

(38:09):
those lands? You think about those lands in Las Vegas.
Can you imagine the amount of money that that would
generate for our treasury with thirty seven trillion dollars in
debt number one? But she said, well, that makes sense.
Why don't you Why don't you do that? We should
sell those I agree with that, and I said that's
what this bill does.

Speaker 2 (38:27):
So Harriet, here's yes, I know the aha moment.

Speaker 5 (38:30):
So our rural counties every census, they are losing representation
because they're losing population. The young people grow up and
to your point, they don't have any there's no job,
there's no industry, there's no growth. Why because when you
get to those states, those counties, it's eighty percent federal land.
It's it's it's quite high. So would this would Center
Lee's bill allow for the rural communities to keep their

(38:52):
young people, find industry and actually be able to sustain
themselves so that their population doesn't continue to shrink and
stay in counties that aren't the four that everybody lives
in right now.

Speaker 11 (39:04):
That is why Senator Lee's bill is so brilliant, because
that's the very intent of it. What is the debate
and discussion we're having in the United States right now?
How do we re onshore manufacturing. How do we bring
back businesses that we have let go to China and
various other countries. How do we bring back the manufacturing
that we need, whether it's pharmaceuticals or it is automobile

(39:27):
parts or whatever it may be. How do we do that?
But I'm going to tell you what happens. Is any
type of a manufacturing business or any type of a
corporation that is looking at building in a particular look
in a particular location. One of the first things we're
going to look at is do we have adequate housing
for our workers. That has to be one of the
primary things that they look at. What is the quality

(39:48):
of life? What is the cost of housing? I mean,
do we have manufacturing in Tetong County and Jackson, Wyoming.
Of course not, and you wouldn't you want to know
part of the reason why. Because county is ninety seven
percent federally owned. It is the most defensive county in
the entire United States for housing. Our billionaires have moved out,

(40:08):
our millionaires. So are you going to come in and
bring in manufacturing to Titan County? Of course not. That
isn't the target of this at all. It never would be.
But there are areas of Utah and southwestern Wyoming and
Central Wyoming and south central Wyoming that are ideal for
manufacturing in terms of our weather, our skill, our skills, employees, workforce.

(40:31):
We've got the access to our community colleges where we
can do programs that are specific through individual industries. And
yet the manufacturing company comes in and says, look, I
need seven hundred employees. You don't have the housing for it.
We're going to go to New Mexico. We're going to
go to Nebraska. We're going to go to Kansas. We're

(40:51):
going to go somewhere. This is something else that's important
about this. We're going to go somewhere where we're going
to take private productive farm and ranch land out of
development for housing because we can buy that, we can
develop that, we can create housing there. But God forbid,
we touched that forty acre lot of blm land next

(41:12):
to Kimeraer. So this is it even skews the market
because we are looking at taking private property out of production,
ranch land, farm land out of production because we refuse
to let the scrub brush next to Kimeraer be used
for affordable housing.

Speaker 1 (41:31):
Yeah, good points, Harriet. We wish we could talk more,
but we know your time is tight and we appreciate
a few minutes of your time.

Speaker 5 (41:37):
Thank thank you for going on in that town. So
thank you for taking some time to speak with us.
We appreciate it.

Speaker 1 (41:42):
Thank you very much.

Speaker 11 (41:43):
Likely is a great senator, he's doing great work.

Speaker 1 (41:46):
He sure is all right. Thank you. That is a
congress Woman Harriet Hagman from the Great State of Wyoming
talking about this public lands issue. I want to know
what people think about what she said, because I think
she made some very very interesting points. There's still a
lot of people out there who have a negative reaction
to what Mike Lee is trying to do. And we'll
open up the phones to you right now eight eight
eight five seven eight zero one zero on your cell

(42:08):
phone dial pound two fifty and say hey, Rod, or
on our website or on our radio app on your smartphone.
If you've got iHeartRadio downloaded, iHeartMedia down there, you make
a talkback comment as well.

Speaker 5 (42:21):
Hit that red button at the microphone on it. Give
you a thirties give us or your thirty second take.

Speaker 1 (42:25):
All right, your thoughts and comments coming up right here
on the Rod and Greg Choke. Great to be with you.
We had a great conversation with Congresswoman Harriet Hagman. She
is from Wyoming, a defender of what Mike Lee is
trying to do when it comes to the sale of
public lands bill. He has revised it somewhat, but apparently
a lot of people are still very very upset on this.
We've got the lines open to you eight eight eight

(42:46):
five seven eight zero one zero on your cell phone
dial pound two fifty and say hey, Rod. Also on
our talkback line, make sure you download the iHeart iHeartMedia
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leave a comment on our talk back line. We want
to get to the phone calls because we'll have a
lot of them who want to weigh in on this.
Right now. Let's go to jas in Kysville tonight. Jase,

(43:09):
thanks for joining us. What are your thoughts on this?

Speaker 2 (43:11):
Jase?

Speaker 12 (43:12):
You know, I think.

Speaker 17 (43:15):
A lot of people that support this have never seen
the land that they're selling, because at least in Utah,
a lot of it it's under snow half the year
and there's no way that it's going to make housing
more fruitible. And the other the rest of it is
out in the middle of nowhere, two hours from Salt Lake.

Speaker 2 (43:36):
So so appreciate the call. Jason.

Speaker 5 (43:38):
Here's the issue that's not actually true. There's BLM land
that's adjacent to roads and rail in Iron County and
other county rural counties where it's just there's a line,
and the land is adjacent to where people already were.
Infrastructure already exists where there's already people. It's why the
congresswoman said you wouldn't shoot a gun in this small
town in this area. There's parts where you could put

(44:00):
an additional rail line and loop in Iron County so
that you could put on trains instead of trucks, the Iron,
the gypsum, the the what else, oh Alton Cole is
there to get it on rails instead of on trucks.
That land is BLM land plus Rod you mentioned. I
know there's a patchwork of interior inside of counties federally

(44:23):
owned and control land that they don't actually manage. What
was the what was the number, well amount of acre.

Speaker 1 (44:28):
This comes from Steve Waltrip, and Steve Waltrip is the
governor's senior advisor on housing affordability. Here's something to think about.
Two hundred and seventeen acres are within Utah city boundaries.
We're talking about BLM land. So two hundred and seventeen
thousand acres are within Utah city boundaries. Six hundred fifty

(44:50):
thousand acres within a mile outside of seventy limits are
owned and managed by the BLM or the National Forest Service.
Mike Lee has taken for service land out in his
new bill, his revised version of the bill and kept
in the BLM land. So there's a lot of land
within city limits and within a mile of residential areas
that would be sold under Mike Leeds bill.

Speaker 5 (45:12):
And my bottom line is, if you, if anyone listening
to this program thinks that we don't have a growth problem,
that we haven't that our quality of life is diminishing
by way of traffic, congestion and higher cost of living.
If you don't think that's the case, and I guess
we don't need to have more land to grow. But
we're not talking about let's have more land so that

(45:32):
we can create growth. We are growing. We have a
high fertility rate we have unless we know, put a
border and say you can't come from other states legally,
I'm all for deporting every illegal in the world and
all the refugees as well. After you do all that,
your state's still growing. Where are you going to grow?
If we keep stacking ourselves on top of each other
in four counties fifth to five if you count Washington County,

(45:54):
which is pretty crowded right now, that is not a
sustainable way forward. Plus that means you export your kids
because they can't afford to live in this state. And
if you look at the map, and you see truly
how much of that land is encumbered. It isn't as
was described in the most remote areas that are covered
with snow. There is blm land inside those counties that

(46:14):
are patchworks. There's also land where I got an Iron county,
you could put right next to existing road and rail
another loop, a rail loop that would bring more economic activity.
And the reason those rural counties need it, Rod, is
because their young people have to move out of those
counties every as soon as they get of age, because
there's no jobs there for them to stay, so they

(46:34):
have to move where they move. The wahsatch front. What
happens to us, We get more and more crowded.

Speaker 1 (46:39):
Yeah, all right, we'll get to more of your phone calls,
more of your talk bad comments. Coming up on the
Rod and Greg Show and Utah's Talk Radio one oh
five nine knrs. We're talking about the selling of public lands.
Mike Lee has a bill. He's trying to make some
adjustments to it. Right now. The Senate Parliamentarian has put
the brakes on this one, but it continues to generate
a lot of debate in this data and around the West.

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As much of the West is controlled by the federal government.
Let's get your reaction to all of this. Eight eight
eight five seven eight zero one zero on your cell
phone dial pound two fifty and on your iHeartRadio app.
Just click on the talk back line and leave a
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Let's go to the phones.

Speaker 5 (47:17):
Greg, Yeah, let's go to Mark in West Point. Mark welcome,
thank you for holding, and welcome to the Rite and
Greg Show.

Speaker 15 (47:24):
Good afternoon, gentlemen. I this is rat Boy by the way.

Speaker 1 (47:30):
So nice.

Speaker 15 (47:33):
My only comment is this, I think I told you
guys where I work. China is buying a lot a
plan that's for sale around military installations and their reconnaissance
capabilities exceed a five mile ranges. So I don't have
a problem with with with trying to sell this plan.

(47:55):
I really don't, as long as it's going to the
right people. And that's not happened to Raft going to
build gates or the rest of Utah going to China.
That's all I gotta say.

Speaker 5 (48:06):
All Right, Mark, thank you, Yeah, And it's good so Utah,
but we could do better. So Utah passed a bill
I think two years ago that prohibits any entity CCP
any Chinese, and it's not just them, it's these enemies
of the state from owning or purchasing land in Utah.
There may be some land that still owned that needs
to get prescriptive, and there is no argument for me
or anyone else. One of the provisions that center Lee's

(48:28):
putting in the bill is what he calls a freedom
zone that ensures that these lands benefit American families, and
that is meant to keep it from these foreign interests
and even these moneyed interests, which, by the way, the
moneyed interests do better when there's low supply in high demand.
They make their most money in those scenarios.

Speaker 1 (48:43):
Back to the phones, we go last talk with John
in West Point tonight here on the Roden Great Show. John,
Thanks for joining us.

Speaker 7 (48:48):
What are your thoughts, Hey, guys, I love the show,
appreciate everything. I'm an avid outdoorsman, fishermen hunter, I'm on
these lands. I'm you know, through all the seasons.

Speaker 18 (49:06):
I love this bill.

Speaker 7 (49:09):
Most hunters and most fishermen who are so up in
roar on this drive right past all these lands and
they never set foot on them because the reality is
we're going farther into the mountains or the wherever it
may be, so that we can pursue our hobbies. So

(49:32):
I love this bill. The news, I would just say,
get off social media and actually read the bill because
it's a great one. I think Mike did a great
job on this.

Speaker 1 (49:45):
All right, John, thank you very much for your comment.
Let's go back to the phones.

Speaker 5 (49:49):
Rig Yeah, let's go to Chris and Roy. Chris, welcome
to the Ron and Greg Show.

Speaker 19 (49:54):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (49:55):
How are you guys doing well? Thank you, chrisure.

Speaker 19 (49:59):
So I've got a few questions. Obviously I'm a hunter.
I definitely enjoy my time out in the in God's country, right,
And some of the stipulations that you have in this bill.
It has the five mile radius around a populated city,
but it doesn't define what a populated city is, first

(50:20):
of all. And the other thing is we hunters understand
checkerboarding when it comes to landowners purchasing land in a
checkerboard pattern. So they only have to buy half of
the land and pay half of the Texas, but they
control all of it. And recently they've had lawsuits win

(50:45):
so that hunters now and corner cross and so in
this bill, it stipulates that someone who is buying land
around land they previously owned can buy as many parcels
as they want. But someone who does not own land,
they're only allotted two parcels on a purchase. And that's

(51:10):
my biggest worry, and obviously to it's got to be
an American citizen to buy this land.

Speaker 1 (51:16):
Ye a good point, and I think Mike is trying
to put that in the bill. Is he not great?
You were looking that up a little bit.

Speaker 5 (51:22):
I am, And then look we so there you heard
from the congresswoman from Wyoming when she talked that she
did what she didn't want to appear to be is
so heavy handed as to be overly prescriptive. But it's
that it's that where it's vague or it's not as prescriptive.
People were worried about what will happen. I think if
you did include a map. When this language started from
Congresswoman Celeste Molloy, they had kind of a map. They

(51:43):
took that out in the in the house side, maybe
the map wouldn't be seen as heavy handed. It would
be it would bring clarity to the amount of land
they're talking because some of this is just roads infrastructure.
You can't run a water line, you can't run a
road if you run a road adjacent to land that
was otherwise more difficult to get to because it was
maybe bottlenecked and there was a private property owner the road,

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and that you build again adjacent to and part of
private public or private property. When I say public, I
mean state. You know, the state. A state has land
as well. That gives more ingress, egress into land that
maybe you wouldn't have been able to access in the past.
Another point I just want to make is that the
federal government is your landlord, is not a good landlord,
especially if you have what land use you want to do.

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I don't know that everyone knows, but our ranchers and
our farmers were informed by the Biden administration and by
the BLM that their land use permits for ranching, for
agriculture like alfalfa, things like that, we're going to be
up for auction or renewal. And they were going to
make conservation a defined land use where they would let

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that be leased by someone who wants to take the
land and do let no one on it and let
no one touch it, and they would take that away
from multi generational families who've ranched on that land. They've
been leasing that land use land. They put the permits
and they've had it for you know, as long as
they that the government's been doing it. That that federal
landlord wanted to take our ranchers and our farmers off

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of that land and their land use leases, give it
to people that would close it up, shut it down.
And I'll let any human being on that land that's
your that's your landlord. When we're talking the federal government.

Speaker 1 (53:19):
Yeah, back to the phones as we go. Let's talk
with Daryl in patient tonight here on the Roden Greg Show. Darryl,
how are you, Thanks so much for joining us.

Speaker 20 (53:29):
I'm doing pretty good. Thanks for taking the call. Right now,
I'm on the road and I'm driving from oh Eagle
Mountain down towards Santa Clan. And as I go along
that road, it's west of Utah Lake. You've got both

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sides of the highway that's owned by the federal government,
and that is so close to be develops and I'm thinking,
why not make something good out of that land. It
could be used as a tax days, people could make
it more productive, useful, and the way it is right
now just sits there doing nothing and I think if

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they sold it and use it for housing or or whatever,
I think personally, I think it's a good idea, and
that I do believe that every penny that they earn
from the sale of that land should go to our
national debt, and they're trying to get that under control.

Speaker 1 (54:33):
All right, Darryl, thank you. No Era was just informing
us because he knows this. This area is a big
area for fishing, honey and waterfill.

Speaker 5 (54:40):
Well, look, I'm just going to tell you this. If
likes the two way street. You got thirty eight states
who have an accumulative four percent of their states. Thirty
eight states have accumulatively four percent, that's federal land. You
have twelve states, of which were one that it's fifty
two percent. And guess what if we did a swap
and we put the four percent in the West states

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the twelve and let the thirty eight take the fifty
two percent federally owned land, that would be a deal breaker.
And I'm sure in those areas that aren't fairly controlled,
they have waterfowl, they have hunting. I know they have
hunting and fishing in places where there's not federally owned land. Folks,
who've called in. We got to go to a break,
but would love for you to hang on over the break.
I want to continue this discussion as because I think
it's one that's on the top, it's top of mind

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right now.

Speaker 1 (55:22):
And we've got a lot of talkback comments as well
that we'll let you here as well as the rot
and Gregg Show continue right here on Utah's Talk Radio
one O five nine k n R. AS was a
bill being proposed by Utah Senator Mike Lee to start
creating a lot of discussion here in the state of Utah.
We want to get your phone reaction, also your talkback
reaction eight eight eight five seven oh eight zero one zero.

(55:43):
We'll get to your talkback line comments here in a minute,
but let's go back to the phones.

Speaker 5 (55:47):
Yeah, let's go to Roger and Ogden. Roger, thank you
for holding, sir, over the break, Thank you for holding.
Welcome to the Rotting Grigg Show.

Speaker 12 (55:54):
Hello.

Speaker 21 (55:57):
I grew up in Ogden on the East bench, right
next to Forest Service land and I had you know,
I could walk a couple of blocks in the whole
world with my oyster. I also work for the Bureau
of Land Management in California and in Richfield. And what
I don't like about this bill, least from what I

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know about it so far, is that I smell big
developers fingerprints all over this. You know, if the average
guy thinks that they're going to the government's going to
give away or transfer so many acres to the state,
the average guy is not going to have an opportunity
to buy this land. It's going to be big developers.
And also, anytime you get out of the city limits

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of these little towns like Richfield and Anabella, Utah in
price and so on, every drop of that water is
filed for. Every drop of water is used already. So
I don't know if they've considered exactly how much, you know,
where they're going to get this water, and how they're
going to acquire, how they're going to manage it. I

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don't know how this home lot would make us way
to the somebody's son or daughter in these little cities
like Helper Well Roger.

Speaker 5 (57:10):
The idea is that there probably wouldn't need to be
a developer to have a to have a neighborhood, but
it is meant to increase availability of land.

Speaker 2 (57:18):
Mike.

Speaker 5 (57:18):
The question though, is and this is the paradigm that
you have to we're growing, so the issues of water
and how we conserve it, and how we deliver it,
how we store it, these are all issues that as
a growing state, whether there's more land or less land
for us to live on, we need water because we
are growing without a choice. It's the growth is coming.
It's not like if you get more land you're going
to ignite growth. Growth comes through your birth rate. Growth

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comes from people that come in from this country. And
I'm by the way, I'm all for getting rid of
all the illegal immigrants and the so called refugees. But
when you do that, you're still growing. So where are
you going to grow? Where is this growth going to go?
I just think it's unsustainable to think we can keep
growing on top of ourselves in the thirty percent of
the state that we have as a footprint.

Speaker 1 (58:00):
He makes a very interesting point, though, Greg Water.

Speaker 2 (58:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (58:03):
I mean, if one thing holds our growth back, it
is going to be water.

Speaker 2 (58:06):
And I'm going to tell you the scary party.

Speaker 1 (58:08):
You got to figure that out for.

Speaker 5 (58:10):
Unless you police that bedroom you're growing anyway, you better
figure out how you're getting that water.

Speaker 2 (58:14):
Period.

Speaker 5 (58:14):
It's not a question of the land. It's a question
of the growth, and unless we stop people from having kids,
we have the growth upon us.

Speaker 1 (58:21):
Yeah, all right, let's go to Joe and Roy and
see what he has to say tonight. Joey, thank you, Joe,
thanks so much for joining us tonight.

Speaker 12 (58:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 22 (58:29):
Absolutely. I'm actually elected or a former elected sheriff in
New Mexico and we've been fighting this fight that Michael's
going to take for years because the thirteen Western United
States are not as equal as the thirteen original colonies.

Speaker 1 (58:42):
Hey, Joe, can I ask you? Hey, Joe, can I
ask you to hang on for a second. I don't
realize we're up against you break. Can you hang on
or give us a call back and we'll get to
your comment because I want to be able to do that.
So if you hang on, Joe, we'll get to.

Speaker 2 (58:54):
Your comment when we come back. Thank you, Joe.

Speaker 1 (58:56):
More lines opening. We do want to hear from you, Joe,
So hang in there. More coming up. Number three of
the Run and Greg show on This Wingman Wednesday is
on its west.

Speaker 5 (59:07):
So we asked Joe to hang on over the break.
I want to thank all those that have hung on
because this is an important discussion I think we need
to have, so thank you for holding. But let's go
back to Joe Enroy. Joe, thank you for holding, Sir.
I think your perspectives unique. It sounds like you've been
a public servant. You're like me, we're recovering public servants.
But you might have exactly you might have a perspective.

Speaker 13 (59:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 22 (59:29):
I was an elected sheriff in New Mexico and part
of the Western State Sheriff's Association, and we've been fighting
this for years, wanting to get back to the equal
footing doctrine to where the public lands is turned back
over to the states, because you know, the thirteen Original colonies,
the equal Footing doctrine is supposed to take us on
that and then law enforcement we're hailed. You know, when

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I was the elected sheriff, I had to patrol the
BLM Land Force RUS because it's public land. It is
not federal land. They're just a they're just the managers
of the land. And unfortunately, you know, we're not as
equal as the thirteen Original colonies, the thirteen Western states anyway.
And I think it's a great it's great that Senator

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Mike Lee is pushing this fight We pushed it back
in the early two thousands when I was a sheriff
and to no avail. So hopefully it goes through.

Speaker 2 (01:00:23):
Thank you Joe for your comment.

Speaker 1 (01:00:24):
It's true, good point.

Speaker 5 (01:00:25):
The sage Brush Rebellion was part of this. In the
seventies and eighties, Ronald Reagan identified with this issue and said,
these states should be able to manage or land have land,
just as the states east of the Mississippi do. Again,
it's for thirty eight states to have a collective four
percent of their of their states be federal land, and
then you get to the twelve in the West fifty
two percent. That is not equal treatment under the law.

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He's right, and there's consequences.

Speaker 1 (01:00:49):
Former Governor Gary Herbert an earlier adopter or an early
adopter the sage brush Rebellion. Many of you may remember
Bert Smith, the owner of Smith and Edwards. We're good friend,
and he was always fighting for this. This was a
thing that he believed in, and I think Mike Lee
is just trying to carry on that tradition. Right now,
back to the phones we go. Let's go to Steve

(01:01:10):
in Tuilla tonight here on the Rod and Greg Show. Hi, Steve,
how are you.

Speaker 12 (01:01:15):
I'm doing good.

Speaker 7 (01:01:15):
Thanks Rod and Greg for taking my call. Hey, I
just want to point out the fact that and kudos
to Senator Lee, he's doing a great job on this issue.
But I just want to point out the fact that
the these environmental groups that are up against and don't
want this to happen, they've been doing this type of

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deal with the federal government for years. They'll take they'll
go buy a piece of ground or a section of
ground in a wilderness area or study wilderness area, and
then they'll buy that land, turn around and trade it
with the federal government, and then they'll develop land next

(01:01:58):
to these metropolitan I don't see anything different than with
Mike Lee what he's doing. I don't see that why
we can't do that.

Speaker 5 (01:02:09):
So I appreciate the call and the example, because it's
true that the money game is that if you're a
leftist and you have land and you can encumber it
and you can buy it as conservation or lease it
as conservation land, you can even then once you have
that standing, trade it for other land and then develop it.

Speaker 2 (01:02:25):
And that does happen. It absolutely does happen.

Speaker 5 (01:02:27):
But you have to be on the inside track and
you better be friend's friends with the swamp to do that.
And it seems to be that we as the people
in the state of Utah, have always been on the
on the wrong side of that relationship. And so anyway,
I think again, I have always believed that this is
a state sovereignty issue, that we should be exactly what
we should look as similar to the other states as

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anyone else. Let's go to Mark in Springville, Mark, thank
you for holding What do you say about all this
in terms of this issue in the center Lee's land
language in the Big Beautiful Bill.

Speaker 23 (01:03:03):
I'm somewhat upset with the reaction to some of the
hunter and fishermen and that they're saying that through this
bill we're going to lose access to all over a
hundred of fishing land out here in Utah. That doesn't
make any sense. The bill only allows for the seller
up to I believe it's zero point five percent correct
of land.

Speaker 24 (01:03:23):
But even if it did allow for a lot more,
and let's say that we sold a tub land. I've
lived in Texas, Oklahoma and Kansas and all those places.
I was able to hunt and fish in all of
those places, and you know, ninety seven ninety eight percent.

Speaker 23 (01:03:39):
Of it is privately owned.

Speaker 24 (01:03:41):
And there's places like Kansas where maybe there's been people
that had issues where they're like, hey, I don't have access,
and Kansas put together programs to then lease land to
allow for public hunting on private lands.

Speaker 12 (01:03:54):
There's ways to deal with it. You're always going to
be able.

Speaker 1 (01:03:56):
To hunt and fish. All right, all right, all right, Mark,
we appreciate your thoughts on that. Were your calls coming up?
Eight eight eight five seven eight zero one zero. All right,
let's go to the talkback line because we've had a
lot of comments on that. Here are some of the
comments that we're getting tonight on our talkback line as
people talk about this sale of public lands.

Speaker 3 (01:04:17):
This is adjacent out of Twila and as far as
Mike Lee's land grab, even as conservatives are not on board,
I don't listen to the liberals. I don't care what
they have to say. We want to vote no on
any land grabs, any land sales. I don't care what
it is. Those are our lands period.

Speaker 1 (01:04:36):
When I hear that comment these are our lands, Greg,
I say, yeah, they may be our lands, but we
didn't control them. The b elements control.

Speaker 2 (01:04:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:04:44):
Oh I would say, if you were to speak to
duly elected county commissioners, can't we heard it. We just
heard from a county sheriff. You used to serve in
New Mexico. Find out how much that is the public's
land versus the federal government's land and what they decide
to do with that land, land use, the land use
permits that they give out. This is not this isn't
the it isn't as advertised. I don't know how the

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environmentalists got conservatives twisted on this, but they are laughing
while conservatives get mad at this because they have been
terrible landlords. And why do we have a landlord in
our state to the tune of sixty five percent when
other states don't have any. And if anyone says that
if it's not federal lands, you can't hunter fish, I'm sorry.
You're telling me that thirty eight states don't have hunting

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and fishing and places to go unless it's private property
and you have to pay a game reserve preserved to
do it. That's not true. There's state land. We have
a state management plan in our state for state lands.
There are ways to do it. We had a caller
that that shared his example that he lived in states
where there certainly was hunting and fishing, and you don't
have to be federally owned and controlled to do it.

Speaker 1 (01:05:46):
Here's another talk about comment.

Speaker 3 (01:05:48):
You just don't get it.

Speaker 14 (01:05:50):
It's our land.

Speaker 3 (01:05:51):
We don't care if it's going for housing. We want
it saved and we don't want it sold period. It
is for us to use, for you to sell off
to whoever.

Speaker 1 (01:06:03):
There's another comment about it's our land. It may be
our land, but we don't control it's that's my opinion
on it.

Speaker 5 (01:06:09):
Well, at the end of Obama's administration, before he left,
he created a monument that was not a monument before.
It was federal land, but it was not it didn't
have that designation. They went just like Clinton did before him,
and made that land harder to access, harder to live.
People that lived around that land all their lives would
have a harder time accessing it. That's that's what the
federal government will do and can do.

Speaker 2 (01:06:30):
They have it.

Speaker 5 (01:06:31):
They call it thirty by thirty. They want thirty percent
of this country federally owned and controlled and untouched by
the year thirty twenty thirty. That's not going to do
what people are saying about we want our land to
go hunt and fish and be able to access any
time we want that. The FEDS are a bad landlord
when it comes to that kind of access.

Speaker 1 (01:06:50):
Back to the talk bage.

Speaker 25 (01:06:51):
Like the points brought up about keeping ranches in private
land instead of it getting turned into manufacturing. The camera
example with the community deciding what area is to go
with also is good. Inside my OWNI problem there's where
people get to build the house at the bottom of

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the mountain. They tend to think they own the whole
mountain and they ruin a lot of hiking trails.

Speaker 1 (01:07:17):
I feel that's good. That's an interesting company. Make so
now he mentioned camera. Now we had the congresswoman from
Wyoming on saying, here you have Kemera. Bill Gates is
building that big nuclear facility.

Speaker 2 (01:07:29):
Power plant there.

Speaker 1 (01:07:30):
He needs workers, but there's no land available to develop
houses because it's all controlled. It's surrounded by the BLM
and someone. And so we said what about hunting and fishing.
She's like, well, if you're right next to that place,
don't shoot your gun right next to that place. And
when she says that, I could think of Iron County
where they have rail a corridor for rail that connects
to the main line from the Long Beach Los Angeles

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Port and through World War Two, the federal government build
a line in. You have roads, you have rail, and
right adjacent to it, I mean right next to it
is bill land. Yeah, it would be nice to have
another court, another rail line and loops where you could
use it for export jobs things like that. That's not
you're not You better not fire a gun next to
that road and rail line right now, and it's BLM land.

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You'll get in trouble. Let's go to another talkback color.

Speaker 3 (01:08:15):
Which you're not understanding. We're not mad that he's trying
to get the land from the Feds. We are all
for that. We're mad that he's selling it. We don't
want it sold. We don't care about cheaper housing, affordable housing.
We want the land for us to manage, not to

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be sold off so we can't use it.

Speaker 1 (01:08:40):
Interesting point but.

Speaker 5 (01:08:41):
To that, and look, I love our listeners. I will
go to my grave saying this is the smartest listening
audience and all the land. And I take every one
of these comments very seriously. But one of the things,
because this is an issue that the the estate of
Utah is growing, and if you saw the map, we
are penned in on thirty percent of our own property
of this of this state. That makes the scarcity of

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land high. The supply is low, the demand is high.
It makes everything go up in price, and we are
going to grow if we have land or not. So
to the point of we don't want any any of
this adjacent to private property land to be used so
people can live in houses and things like that. And
I'm staring at the rural areas of Utah where they
are losing population because they don't have economic opportunities and

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having to shoehorn into the Wasatch Front. Then what if
it isn't this if you can't find industry and you
can't find jobs. I mean the federal government again as
a landlord in the nineties, used to have a lumber
industry in our world district and then Clinton said no
more thinning out that land which was stopping wildfires from
getting you out of control. But they just decided that

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was going to stop. They stopped multi generational businesses in
rural Utah just because as the landlord they could decide
to do that. What are we going to do about
this growth? Because I don't think the quality life's very
high right now in Wassatch Front like it used to be.
And I think that the that the cost of living
is through the roof. I don't know how to break that.
I don't want the city of Utah to be paying
everybody's down payment on a house and building the high

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rises here along the Wassat Front. So what do we
do if not?

Speaker 26 (01:10:08):
This?

Speaker 18 (01:10:09):
All right?

Speaker 1 (01:10:09):
Callers? Talkback comments coming up here on the Roding Greg
Show in Utah's talk radio one O five to nine KNRS.
The selling of public lands a very hot topic here
in the state of Utah as a result of Mike
Leeds bill that he is trying to get through the
Senate and make part of the big beautiful bill that
Donald Trump wants. We're getting your calls eighty eight five
seven oh eight zero one zero. Also on our talkback line.

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All you do is have to go to canters dot
com and you on your mobile app see a little
microphone open the corner, click on that and you can
leave us comment as well. Let's go back to the phones.

Speaker 5 (01:10:40):
Yes, let's go to Kelly on I fifteen. Kelly, thank
you for holding. Welcome to the Running Greg Show.

Speaker 12 (01:10:47):
Thank you, guys. I love the show.

Speaker 2 (01:10:49):
Thank you.

Speaker 12 (01:10:49):
Interesting topic. My concern is, or what I'm seeing, is
everybody's a little gun shy about this whole thing because
of lands that we've already lost access to. One of
the prime examples that I'll use is Snowbird Mineral Basin,
an American four canyon. Used to go up there and
ride wheelers and snow machines all year long, and all

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of a sudden, it goes come down to the money
and they've closed access to it. Everybody else you got
to go through Snowbird and pay their things just to
get in there. It starts at the state level. They've
closed roads that have been around for eons, years, hundreds
of years, and say that it's due to big game

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critical wintering range. If you think that elk or deer
cares about that dirt road going across that mountain, they're not.
They're not. It's all bs. I mean, if there's three
or four feet of snow up there, what do they
those animals do. They come down to the valley, walking
through the neighborhoods. They don't care about the roads, and

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that's what they do. They just keep whittling away at
taking our access to these public lands. And that's what
I see is happening with this is they're going after
the money. I get it to pay national debt, but
and I get the growth that we're gonna have, but
they keep taking it away. And that's why everybody is

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so frustrated.

Speaker 5 (01:12:20):
Kelly has a great observation. The only thing I would
say is that when you see those roads that close down,
in that access that you enjoyed at shutdown, many times,
that's actually the federal government making an arrangement with the
adjacent property owner, or there's something going on where it's
the it's the faceless government that's making that decision.

Speaker 2 (01:12:36):
I honestly think.

Speaker 12 (01:12:37):
It's Hutah State.

Speaker 1 (01:12:38):
Oh, the state, the state of Utail, right right.

Speaker 12 (01:12:41):
That's why I say it's starting at the state level.
It happens at all levels of government, and so we're
losing access to places that I mean, I'm in my
sixties and I used to go around there as a toddler.
My parents took me there, and when you drive across
there and everything, but now, oh no, that's gonna that's
gonna start those animals to death. And then that's what

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I say, it's all a BS story that they're blowing
just to close down access.

Speaker 1 (01:13:06):
All right, Kelly, good coming.

Speaker 5 (01:13:08):
Yeah, And an interesting point. The only and I don't
disagree with a single point that he made. My only
thought would be I would rather be able to go
to my state legislature and my governor or more at
my officials that are in the state of Utah on
decisions like that and raise hell, then have to go
to DC to try to do it. But I agree
with he said, is I think it's a good point.

Speaker 1 (01:13:28):
Robins and Riverton Tonight wants to weigh in on the
Roden Gregg Show. Hi, rob how are you thanks for
joining us?

Speaker 10 (01:13:33):
Ah?

Speaker 18 (01:13:34):
Pretty good?

Speaker 26 (01:13:34):
Thank you? Yeah, My Mike Ripe was I used to
for twenty years and when shooting on the west side
of Utah Lake with my family, taught my kids how
to shooting things like that.

Speaker 18 (01:13:44):
And then they started selling everything off.

Speaker 26 (01:13:48):
Like I'm funnally exaggerating here, but you know, there'd be
a sign that says you'll go.

Speaker 18 (01:13:52):
To jail if you shoot here, and then five feet
over it says you can shoot here, and then you
go another five feet and it says you can't shoot here.
And then what they did is they got signs all over.
It's confusing. And then they just dug three pits or
four pits and said, okay, fifteen hundred people that used
to shoot in the west side of Utah, they have
to shoot into four pits.

Speaker 26 (01:14:12):
And just so nobody goes anymore. I haven't been in
three years. So it's just all the private the senses,
all the.

Speaker 18 (01:14:19):
Fences are up until fourth you don't know what you're
doing anymore, all right.

Speaker 5 (01:14:23):
Rob, Yeah, And this is where we were in an
urban state because eighty percent of our population lives in
four counties out of twenty nine. And I think that
when you talk about Utah County, it's what's the fastest
growing county in America? Again, if you look at the
percentage of federally owned land in the four counties that
we do grow, it's because it's I think it's nineteen
percent in Utah County, but it's twelve percent in Salt

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Lake County. It's like eight, it's six percent in Weaver County,
and I think I don't know, nine or something ten
percent in Davis. And some of that's the face of
the mountain, you know, or against the Great Salt Lake.
So so we're just cramming it all in here, and
these are I think I would argue these are issues
of growth where you're just in or counties trying to
put your whole state. So I think that's part of it.

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Let's go to Jane in Salt Lake City. Jane, thank
you for holding. Welcome to the ride and Greg show.

Speaker 21 (01:15:09):
Hi.

Speaker 27 (01:15:11):
So, Greg, this question was to you on your comment
about the endless growth basically, and you know, my question
is why do we start from that premise that we
must have endless growth because we don't really want to
end up like Denver. I mean, if you want to
live in Denver, you want to live in San Francisco,
go live in those places. Sure, that's not what Utahns

(01:15:34):
really want. We don't want that, and there's like this
assumption that we must accept it.

Speaker 2 (01:15:40):
Jane.

Speaker 27 (01:15:40):
Frankly, most of us don't want any more California.

Speaker 5 (01:15:42):
Jane, what do you do about the babies born? We're
the seventh highest fertility, right, how do you stop babies
from being born? Do you do you police the bedroom
one child policy of China?

Speaker 2 (01:15:51):
You are growing.

Speaker 5 (01:15:52):
This is a challenge now because we're having so many kids.
There's half of our growth is from our families inside
of Utah.

Speaker 2 (01:15:57):
How do you stop that?

Speaker 27 (01:16:00):
Is this something new? Exactly that?

Speaker 5 (01:16:05):
But that's what I'm saying. It's filling up the state.
It's filling up the state, and we and I want
to push. I don't want to be I hate Denver.
I want to push. I want to see the population
grow throughout the state. I want rural communities to not
have to shrink every year. They those communities should not
have to their kids shouldn't have to move up here.
That's like being like Denver. They should be able to
grow and see industry. We should see industry in those

(01:16:25):
rural communities so that everything doesn't have to grow within
four counties. And so that's where I want to see
that that growth occur is in the areas that are
so encumbered by federal land that you could you could
see population growth that's away from this area here along
the walls.

Speaker 1 (01:16:39):
That's front an interesting discussion today on the Rod and
Greg Show. More coming up on Utah's Talk Radio one
oh five nine k n RS. Well, let's talk about
mister Hughes's favorite story of the week. It might be
your favorite story of the month. May you're more excited
about this story than any story I've seen for a while.

Speaker 5 (01:16:58):
Thirty nine square miles, I believe a thousand and plus beds,
thirty to sixty days to build it, temporary ice to silly.

Speaker 2 (01:17:03):
I want to go there.

Speaker 5 (01:17:04):
I just want to go there. I want to I
want to get to a show from there. Oh, I
want I'm so excited about this. The pythons are excited
about this, the alligators are excited.

Speaker 1 (01:17:11):
They're really excited.

Speaker 2 (01:17:12):
And I'm excited for ours, gut.

Speaker 1 (01:17:14):
Let's talk about apparently Florida is moving toward building what
is being called an alligator Alcatraz. Let's find out what's
going on. Joining us on our any our newsmaker line
as Joseph McKennon. He is a staff writer with the Blades. Joseph,
how are you welcome to the Rod and Gregg Show.

Speaker 16 (01:17:31):
Hey, good evening, gentlemen.

Speaker 1 (01:17:32):
All Right, he's all excited about this. Joseph, give us
a background on Alligator Alcatraz.

Speaker 16 (01:17:39):
Well, you might have heard several weeks ago they were
looking at the actual Alcatraz to start porting some of
the unsavory characters who are unlawfully imported into the homeland.
And I suppose up Meyer, the state Attorney general from Florida,
had a similar idea, but with a little bit of
a different environment. So with ice facilities. In the attack nationwide,

(01:18:04):
you saw on New Jersey protesters were barricading the entrance
to one such facility where you had inmates actually escape
board is trying something different. In the middle of the Everglades,
you have this remote, abandoned airport facility, and State Attorney
General off Meyer made the pitch a couple of days

(01:18:27):
ago after Governor Ron desantist state leaders with identifying places
for a new facility. And so this place is a
prime location if you want somewhere remote where protesters, even
though they'll you know, make their way out, have to
go some distance, and where you don't really have to
worry about security all that much because, as if you've noted,

(01:18:50):
it's surrounded by pythons and alligators and other reptiles that
you don't really want to mess with. You got you
got inmates, well perspective inmates, because they're in they're presently
putting up what they call soft sided structures, which is
tense in one hundred degree hundred degree plus weather. So

(01:19:14):
you're having a tent facility and then uh storage containers
and nice air conditioned units for the workers. But they're
going to stick these illegal aliens, criminal nons, citizens. There
might be a mix, but it seems like these are
going to be the criminal aliens uh thrown in the tents,
surrounded by again alligators, and then they won't have to

(01:19:39):
wait long because thanks to the Supreme Court, these people
are going to be uh spit out of the country
rather rapidly and the income.

Speaker 5 (01:19:46):
So, Joseph, what I think is brilliant about this is
that I think that any community in any state would
would there would be pause if there was any ice facility,
even temporary facility, that was being cited in their in
their neighborhood or their community. I laugh about the alligators
and pythons being your neighbors and maybe wanting to meet
their new neighbors. And so there's no one that's saying

(01:20:07):
that's upset about it. But isn't it a smart actual
way to do this, to take places that otherwise you
don't have communities, you don't have opportunities for activists to
come and help free people from inside these facilities. Doesn't
could we see more of these? I guess is what
I'm asking.

Speaker 16 (01:20:25):
Oh, well, I think it's a fantastic idea, and you know,
it's a little local economy boost for some of these
remote urban communities. And to your point, you don't want
an ice facility down the road from you, especially when
you have these rioters who, as we've seen in LA
and elsewhere, are you have a proclivity to get violent,

(01:20:48):
to destroy things. So yeah, if you can put it
at an abandoned airport in the middle of nowhere. And
these aren't just you know, families as the is the
media portrays. These are criminal aliens. These are in some cases,
as the DHS noted at the New Jersey facility, murderers

(01:21:10):
and rapists. There are people you want nearby, and they're
certainly not people you want potentially escaping. So I know
people joke about the alligator Alcatraz. Meyer. I don't know
if you coined it, but certainly embraced it. But there's
the security and then the natural security, and that's probably
nice to hear if you're even nearby.

Speaker 1 (01:21:33):
Joseph, A question for you, do the alligators and pythons
demand as much pay as the security guards would. I'm
just wondering I'm wondering about that, Joseph.

Speaker 16 (01:21:44):
I don't know. If they're union. You have to you
have to check, uh, But you know, to be honest
with you, I don't think you have to worry about strikes.
They're always uh. They enjoy their jobs, and they're they're
hungry for new opportunities.

Speaker 5 (01:22:00):
Yeah again, I would. I think they want to meet
the neighbor event. I think they're accepting their new neighbors
with open arms. The alligators and pythons, I just I
love it. I love the idea. I think it's a
smart way to do it.

Speaker 1 (01:22:13):
They're moving up quickly on this, aren't they, Joseph. From
one I understand this could be up and running in
a very short period of time.

Speaker 16 (01:22:19):
Ashley, Well, you mentioned a thousand. They're looking up to
a five thousand by some point in early July. They're
talking tense initially and then hard instructions. I don't know
if we'll break ground for that or if you know,
just above structures and the light. But yes, they're moving rapidly.
After the announcement, it seems like they really leaned into it.

(01:22:44):
The DHS seems keen. The cost is relatively low, and
I know that they can tap FEMA funds for this,
so even though Florida will initially pay out of pocket,
will be reimbursed down the road.

Speaker 1 (01:22:57):
All right, well, Joseph, great story. We appreciate a few
minutes of your time. Thanks Joseph, Oh, thank you. On
our newsmaker line, Joseph McKennon, he is with the Blades
talking about Alligator alcatress. I'm just thinking about this. I mean,
who you know, who would have want to escape that facility?

Speaker 5 (01:23:15):
What's out and by the way, you protest a bunch
of leftists, why don't you go swim your way into
that facility to go protest it and demand your way
in good luck? It's I imagine, I don't know if
it's like a mote, but I just imagine it just
being very, uh, you know, just a bit of a
harrowing experience to try and get to this place. But
I guess it was an abandoned airstrip at some point

(01:23:37):
we had some development out there.

Speaker 1 (01:23:38):
What's that old song, nowhere to go, nowhere to hide? Nope,
won't happen all right more coming up on the Roded
greg Show in Utah's Talk Radio one oh five nine
k N r.

Speaker 5 (01:23:47):
S on this issue that Mike that center Mike Lee
is pushing on lands. Yea, there's a fascinating discussion even
with listeners over the break about our state's population and
we used to grow more, we used to have more children,
capital were so folks, we have a we are I
looked at the data. I poured into this data to

(01:24:08):
try and understand how do we get our population growth
because I'm not for it coming via illegal immigration. And
then California yeah, oh yeah, that too. But then when
when Biden had that fake refugee status that now Trump
has reversed that that model. These are people that that
we need that need to be removed. They're not here
in this country legally. And I so I don't want

(01:24:30):
to count that as like inevitable or acceptable growth of
our state. But if you take that out, we still
have people from other states that want to come here
that we don't stop or that we can't you know,
prohibit people from moving here. You and I wouldn't be
sitting here if that was the case back then. My
kids are native Utah's, but I certainly wasn't. You weren't either,
So we're out if that's the rule. But we are

(01:24:52):
growing as a state, seventh and seventh in the state
and fertility.

Speaker 1 (01:24:56):
But which is down number one.

Speaker 5 (01:24:58):
We used to be yeah, we to be high. But
here's an interesting fact. Louisiana is higher than us. Louisiana
is a state, however, their percentage of teenage unplanned pregnancies
is so high and accounts for so much of that
fertility rate, some of the fertility rate, and you look
at the circumstances around it. When you look at Utah,

(01:25:19):
it's usually primarily two parent homes, or it's at an
age of twenty to thirty five or whatever it is.
And if you look at the fertility rate and then
you look at the demographics of the women that are
having the children, you're looking at a solid population growth
that comes in the state. We grew by one and
a half percent last year. Half of that growth was

(01:25:40):
from birth. Yes, but folks, I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:25:44):
It is slowing down.

Speaker 1 (01:25:45):
Thanks are slowing down.

Speaker 2 (01:25:46):
But there is that growth.

Speaker 5 (01:25:47):
And I do think we're penned in and don't I
haven't met anyone along the watch SAT front that says, yeah,
transportation is great, cost of living's fine. Growth is we
got it all under control. We're good here now, I
think a lot of places could and would would want
to not lose their population of their young people and
see their the rural counties grow and I think we
should that should be the case.

Speaker 1 (01:26:06):
And housing costs are killing people right now. The cost
of house I mean, I'm just looking at my old name,
my own the neighborhood in which I live right now
up in Kaysville, right and you look at some homes.
You hear the price that the host homes are selling.
You go, really, I mean you shake your head. But
they're getting the money. I mean they're asking for it
and they're getting it. And you know, cost cost of

(01:26:29):
housing is a key I think the issues here are
managing the growth, the cost of housing. We don't talk
about this enough. I think water is a key, key issue,
absolutely it is. It may be the number one issue.
And how we how we get the water we need
and to be able to make sure it is good water.
You know, the farms need water, We need water. I

(01:26:51):
think that's going to be a key issue.

Speaker 5 (01:26:53):
Yeah, They've always been high issues at the state legislature there.
There there is a pressure as this state continues to
grow and not by you don't get to choose it.
There's like I said, that it's not just the in migration,
it's it's from within our babies that are being born.
But it is putting the reason why the only a
third of the land and the state you can actually

(01:27:14):
that is private partment you grow, it's just getting packed,
or you're in rural areas where there's just not enough
jobs or economies. We don't need a state to become
housings ares to give people down payments for houses along
the Wasatch Front. What we need is infrastructure, roads, rail
industry in areas that are actually shrinking. We have less
lawmakers representing rural counties in Utah in that state legislature

(01:27:38):
because every census their numbers shrink and the numbers in
the Wassatch Front just grow. And in Washington County being
the one county outside the Wastatch Front that's grown, that
is not a sustainable trajectory. And so you've got to
find those smart ways to see that growth happen. And
I got to tell you, I think that some of
that BLM land, you wouldn't even know that was Blm
land when you see it next to a road or

(01:27:59):
where it's at it there is a way for it
to grow. And Harry Reid got this for Nevada back
in ninety eight.

Speaker 1 (01:28:04):
Owd Harry do that?

Speaker 26 (01:28:05):
Well?

Speaker 5 (01:28:06):
That guy and he made a Cinderella slipper for only Nevada.
So they've been doing it since nineteen ninety eight. Being
able to Henderson now that county and Clark County to grow.

Speaker 2 (01:28:16):
We could do this.

Speaker 1 (01:28:17):
We need to do a responsible and Vegas is growing,
and where's the growth coming from California? And it's the
tech billionaires. We're coming into that state because they are
so tired of California the regulations.

Speaker 5 (01:28:29):
We attack that guy's Nevada. If you're a listener, you're
in tech history. Sorry, but all.

Speaker 1 (01:28:37):
Right, Looking ahead, We've got a great show tomorrow. Alan
Dershowitz is scheduled to join us. Wow. Alan Dershowitz. I
admire him, very interesting insight. He'll talk about the President,
the War Powers Act, and Steve Moore. Hopefully we'll be
able to get Steve on the show tomorrow to talk
about the state of the nation's economy. And we're waiting.

(01:28:57):
We're waiting Supreme Court. You've got some big rulings haven't
heard of yet. We'll see what happens. All right, that's
it for us tonight, head up, shoulders back. May God
bless you and your family this great country of ours.
We'll talk to you tomorrow at four. Enjoy the rest
of your evening.

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