The Rod and Greg Show: California Minimum Wage Kills Jobs; Why Dems Fought So Hard During the Shutdown

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
We're going to talk a little bit in this hour
about California. It's disaster of its governance and what they're
doing and what they've done that's actually impacted our state.
And I'm going to tell you our gas prices for
in large extent, we're feeling a lot of this because
of the mismanagement and really disaster of California and what
they're doing with their energy issues and their their refineries

(00:21):
and so that's that splashes on Western states and you talk.
So we're going to dive into that about well I.

Speaker 2 (00:26):
Want to get into today, Greg. I think the word
of the year so far maybe affordability. Everyone's talking about affordability,
right we Uh, We've got some comments from Trump supporters
who say they enjoy every you know, they've been very
happy with everything he's doing. But there's this one little slice,
well it's not really little, it's the economy. And you know,

(00:48):
i'd like to hear from people today a little bit
later on in the show if if you know, they're
Trump supporters, and you and I are big Trump supporters,
but I'll be honest, I would like to see him
address the affordability the ECONO tell me question. But lay
it out. It does take time to turn this beast around,
and we just have to pay patient. I think he
needs to say to the American people, look were where

(01:09):
the problem where there were where. There's some issues out
there and it's going to take a little time to address.

Speaker 1 (01:14):
I look what I love. The Democrats will tell you that. Republicans,
you know, if you're if you're a maga, or if
you support the president, you're you're in a cult and
all of that. The only people that I see that
sing from sheet music for the Democrats, or the Democrats
or the leftists. They hand it out and it doesn't
matter how counterintuitive or illogical it is. Everyone just magically
starts singing the same tune. Yeah uh, Republicans and Conservatives

(01:36):
and those that support Trump. When Trump says says something
or does something that people don't like, like the vaccination.
When he was he was bragging about Operation Warp Speed
until he got booed enough, he just kind of left
that aside. I didn't mention, you know, his support of
these H one B one visas, these work visas and
even student visas for Chinese students, it has not gone
over well. And and that shows an independence of the

(01:56):
people that that love President Trump believe he is the
eater of our time. But if he's veering away, nobody's no,
he's not. We're not He's not a pied piper. Everyone's
not following that. There's a lot of uh. I call
it criticism, concern, disagreement for sure with the President on this,
and I think that I don't think enough Republican leaders
are talking about what what are the affordability issues? And

(02:20):
do do our kids and our to the young people
in this country? Look, are they looking at an economy
that we did? Is it still an open econom music?
But or is it crony capitalism? What's happening here? I
have some concerns and I don't I think that we
need to be talking about that a lot more than
we've been talking about it up till now.

Speaker 2 (02:35):
And we will with our listeners a little bit later
on in the show. Today we're also you mentioned California.
We'll talk about the minimum wage and what has it
has done to workers in California. Absolutely amazing, great guys, Sure,
ROCKI good friend of ours. We'll join us a little
bit later on more analysis of the shutdown and what
they what they achieved or what they didn't achieve. So
we've got a lot to get to today, and we

(02:56):
have tickets to UH Trans Siberian Orchestra coming up as well.
Hot to in town. Yeah where your source? No, the Democrats,
Let's talk about the Democrats for a few minutes. Let's hey,
guess what Ben McAdams anounced. He's running for Congress today.

Speaker 1 (03:12):
I think conservative. He's like the candidate of the loons
and a plus twenty four Kamala Harris district drawn in
red Utah. He's going to have to sprint so far
to the left, further than he's that maybe ever been.
You got some other candidates that will be lining up
for that race. I I if that's if that district holds,
and sadly I suspect that it will. But if it does,

(03:35):
I don't know that that Ben mccadams is crazy enough
to uh to satisfy that base.

Speaker 2 (03:42):
I wonder if they shouldn't send him a box of
crazy cereal, just say something eat this every morning so
you can get crazy the way all the constituents are
in You're I'm.

Speaker 1 (03:51):
Going to send him glue and I'm gonna say, sniff it,
sniff the glue snippet before you go into these meetings,
sniff that glue, because you've got to say things you
probably have never said in your life to win a
plus twenty four Kamala Harris distract will to see.

Speaker 2 (04:03):
Well I bring that up because well, there are a
couple of stories related to the Democratic Party today. First
of all, Greg, this story just cracks me up. The
staffords at the DNC, the Democratic National Committee, are fuming
today over the party's new directive. They have to show
up in the office and work in person starting in February.

Speaker 1 (04:21):
You know, I saw this story and I thought to myself,
how do any Democrats win races if none of them
actually want to show up at work? You know what
five years after COVID it is. But you know, it's
so on brand for the DNC and its employees do
not want to work and not have to show up
and feel put out that they actually have to show
up to a place of business. But that said, then
we should be crushing them more than we are. I think,

(04:43):
I don't think we're doing poorly, but if they're not
even coming to work, you know who who's running things today.

Speaker 2 (04:49):
The National Chairman of the party, Ken Martin informed workers
during an all staff meeting. Boy, this one's been serious
yesterday that the National Democratic Party Apparatus will require its
entire Washington, DC baseda aff to return to full in
person work starting in February. And the babies are already crying.

Speaker 1 (05:08):
You know what, I'm totally with the DNC employees. I
think they should never show up. I think they should
never lift another finger, and they should be fully paid
by the fundraising power of the Democrats. Pay them all,
pay them, give them raises, and never ask them to
work a day. That's I'm with them. You know what,
DNC union workers unite, I'm with you. I want you
to I want you to never show up to work, never.

Speaker 2 (05:30):
Show up to work. Now they are still so giddy
about what happened in the elections last Tuesday night. You
know they're getty. AOC Alexandria Cassio Cortez is now holding
an open invitation to Trump supporters who would like to
join her movement.

Speaker 3 (05:47):
I fully welcome Trump voters into our coalition. And I
know that sounds crazy to some people, but just hear
me out. I cannot tell you. It just happened to me,
like two weeks ago. I can't tell you how many
times someone has pulled me aside and said either.

Speaker 2 (06:11):
I was once a.

Speaker 3 (06:12):
Big Trump voter and a Trump supporter, and I watched
Fox News every day. But then I started to kind
of expand my world and where I got information. And
now I've learned, and now I've changed, and I'm with you,
and I learned from you.

Speaker 2 (06:30):
Or people who meet me.

Speaker 3 (06:33):
Who are really big Republicans now and they are shocked
when they meet me because they're like, you are nothing
like I was told you are.

Speaker 2 (06:40):
You know this show, Greg, one of the reasons we
do this show every day is to entertain people. And
I was just wondering big Trump listeners, who I know
we have a lot who listen to this show. If
they're just getting a great chuckle out of that comment
today because AOC says, I've met a lot of Republicans.
They really like me. So I am by you to
join my movement.

Speaker 1 (07:01):
I will tell you this. Okay, Trump, you better watch out.
If you can't keep those socialists that are maga, if
all those left leaning socialists you can't keep them under
our tent here with make America great Again, you better
start sweating it out because they are looking at AOC
and they're saying, maybe I should join there. Here's my theory.
What events are they coming up to her saying that
I've seen the light and I want to be with you.

(07:23):
They might be single men. They I think somebody's had
too many to drink and they are trying to hit
on her.

Speaker 2 (07:28):
That's what I think.

Speaker 1 (07:29):
This is a flirtatious gesture, not not a sincere make
America Great again, right of center Trump supporter. I think
that they are they'd say about anything because they want
to impress her or they like her. And I think
it's probably a cocktail parties where there's been too much
adult beverages passed around, and that's where she's hearing this,
and she doesn't know that that's actually just a ruse

(07:49):
from these guys wanting to talk to her.

Speaker 2 (07:51):
So you think it's more of a pickup line.

Speaker 1 (07:53):
It's a pickup line. Yeah, that's it. They've said, Oh
I didn't know you were this way. If you are
so unlike you were great, that sounds like a guy
trying to hitch keep a conversation going with her. That's
what that sounds like to you.

Speaker 2 (08:05):
What it's all about yep, wake up AOC Yeah, all right.
Coming up, we'll talk about the impact that California's minimum
wage has had on California and other states around the country.
We'll talk about that coming up on The Rod and
Gregg Show and Utah's Talk Radio one oh five nine KNRS.
Back in twenty twenty three, they made a law increasing
the minimum wage to twenty dollars per hour, especially if

(08:29):
we worked in fast food restaurants. Right, Well, many people
thought it would be a job killer. Others argued it
would help raise the living standards for people who do
work in those industries. Well, our next guest is taking
a look into that. His name is JD two Chili.
He is a contributor at a contributing editor, i should say,
at Reason dot Com. Always great to have JD on

(08:50):
the show. JD, how are you welcome to the Roden
Greg Show Again.

Speaker 4 (08:55):
Thanks for having me on.

Speaker 5 (08:56):
It's always a pleasure.

Speaker 6 (08:57):
JD.

Speaker 2 (08:57):
Has it been a job killer? What's the analysis to you?
Years later?

Speaker 5 (09:02):
It has, in fact been a job killer.

Speaker 4 (09:04):
It turns out that if you try to mandate the
price of something, and that includes labor above the level
of people are willing to pay for it, you kill
demand for that, you know, for that item, and in
this case it's labor.

Speaker 5 (09:17):
And what happened is that there's.

Speaker 4 (09:19):
A working paper for the National Bureau of Economic Research
and they estimate looking at California comparing it its performance
to the country because fast food jobs were actually increasing
at a fest or right than thewhere else for in
the country before this bill passed, and afterwards the jobs
have declined, and they estimate their median estimate is that

(09:41):
eighteen thousand jobs have been lost because the state mandated
that fast food workers had to be paid a minimum
twenty dollars an hour.

Speaker 1 (09:50):
So I was in California. I tried all of these
kiosks where they're using the kiosks because they're not going
to pay that minimum wage and you can't make heads
or tails of those kiosks. Well, honestly, I navigated it eventually,
and then a younger guy than me went in and
tried it and had to leave because you didn't work it.

Speaker 2 (10:04):
They aren't very hard at.

Speaker 1 (10:05):
All, No, it was complicated. So my question is even
where they find where businesses find automation to try and
supplant or trying to take not have to pay that
minimum wage. Does it work or do they find themselves
having to close shop because after their best efforts, they
just can't keep things going well.

Speaker 4 (10:23):
I mean, Europe has adopted these kiosks before the US
did because some countries in Europe also have very high
minimum wages, and more than that, they mandate very high
labor costs. It's hard to fire people their mandated benefits,
and so they adopted kisks and fast food restaurants in
other places before the US even looked at them, and
Europeans got.

Speaker 5 (10:42):
Used to them.

Speaker 4 (10:43):
In fact, the technology that we're seeing here was try
it out in Europe. We're probably going to have to
get used to it here too. If again, if they're
going to mandate that every employee at a fast food
restaurant costs more than that employees is really worth to employ,
a lot of them are young. These might be entry
level jobs. They haven't yet worked up to the level

(11:03):
of skill and responsibility that would command a higher wage.
And if they're not worth the money, you're going to
see a lot more kiosks, robots and all sorts of
technology replacing human beings and all sorts of jobs.

Speaker 5 (11:17):
And that especially is true of fast food restaurants, Jay.

Speaker 2 (11:20):
You report that there are some. I think a University
of California, Berkeley concluded a study there concluded the minimum
wage hike did not affect employment adversely. Others would disagree,
wouldn't they?

Speaker 4 (11:32):
Yeah, I mean this is actually I found three studies
that say that this hike is killing jobs. One almost
identical I submitted sixteen thousand jobs lost and came out
of September. Another one found that jobs are also declining
and that the cost of menu items is rising, driven
up by this. But yes, there was one study that
came out of UC Berkeley, from the Institute for Research

(11:56):
on Labor and Employment that said that the minimum wage
did not affect adversely and only slightly increased prices for consumers.
The problem is, if you delve into that and a
New York University statistics instructed named Aaron Brown, did you
found that the paper didn't even really address the effects
of the minimum wage. It also didn't separate out fast

(12:16):
food workers. It rolled them in with the people who
worked at buffets and fast casual restaurants and delis and
other similar places that actually may have benefited from loss
of business.

Speaker 5 (12:27):
To fast food restaurants.

Speaker 4 (12:29):
If prices go at fast food restaurants, you might take
you demand, you know, by a sandwich at a deli instead,
or good to a buffet that has less staffing and
less pressure on their employment costs.

Speaker 5 (12:40):
So Aaron Brown says that this was a bad study.

Speaker 4 (12:43):
It it did not show what the press releases about
it claimed that it showed, and that it's not reliable
and doesn't reflect reality in California.

Speaker 1 (12:53):
So around the country, metropolitan areas cities of Pittsburgh, Detroit,
some of the places where the leftist social engine nearing
policies that they put in place, there's a there's an
action and a reaction, and you see immediately those those
cities become ghost towns and you see the negative consequences
from those actions. Is that happening in California?

Speaker 5 (13:12):
Is it?

Speaker 1 (13:12):
When does the come up and happened for that giant
state everything they do. I can't make sense of any
of it. When does it? When is it happening or
what's the consequences for California with the policies that they
keep pursuing.

Speaker 4 (13:24):
Well, ghost town is probably too strong a term for
what's happening there, but there is a net exit. It's
a population from California, and there's a next net exitus
of small businesses.

Speaker 5 (13:32):
And of capital.

Speaker 4 (13:34):
It's not necessarily that the top income earners who are leaving.
It's a lot of people who are in the middle
who are getting squeezed, the middle class who are funding that.
You liveability in California's at a midmum. It's extremely hard
and getting harder to run a business. It's it's much
harder to start a business, and you're finding that. I mean,
these are the people who are exiting and going to

(13:56):
Arizona and Texas and Nevada, any place that is friend
leer to business, and that makes it makes itself welcome
to the middle class and to anybody who actually wants
to earn a living. I mean, you know, the longest
Los Angeles times in the midst of all this, and
had interviewed a guy named harsh Rage, guy who owns
one hundred and eighty fast food restaurants, and he said

(14:18):
the one of his responses to the minimum wage law
again I mean and looking at that, was the cap
workers overtime. You know, cap workers hours, so caund avoid
overtime pay. So I mean, the minimum wage may go up,
but even the workers you retain are making less because
they're not working as many hours. And then, of course
he added automation. Not all businesses had options. Some of
them just tut for the exits. And when you see
when you see population dropping in a state that really

(14:40):
got to be drawn people that used to draw people
like California, you know that what they're doing, what they're
doing is wrong and it's having a negative impact.

Speaker 2 (14:47):
JD is always great chatting with you, a great report,
appreciate your.

Speaker 5 (14:50):
Time, Thank you for having me on.

Speaker 2 (14:52):
All right on our newsmaker line. That's JD two Chili.
He's contributing editor of Reason and great. The automation. The
overtime thing is interesting. They just capped people. You are
not going to get any overtime. You'll get your minimum
wage and that's it. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (15:06):
No, there's so many negative consequences and it just plays
out over and over. I swear to you the only
place that all this leftist social engineering and economic engineering
work or in higher ed did the professors that talk
about it. I don't think any history doesn't spare it
out that it works. I don't know that where where
it works, but it does certainly in higher ed they will.
Those professors will tell you it's it's the cat's pajamas.

Speaker 2 (15:29):
Those McDonald kios are not that hard.

Speaker 5 (15:31):
This one.

Speaker 1 (15:31):
I don't know if I got just a bad one,
but it was very difficult, and I was feeling bad
about myself till the younger guy came in and he
just left.

Speaker 2 (15:41):
He couldn't get he couldn't figure it out. No, And
I was like, you know what, not that hard. I
was happy to see him leave because I'm like, it's
not just me because I did.

Speaker 1 (15:49):
I hovered over that thing forever and I'm waiting for
my never to get called and he goes in and
I'm looking at him and I don't want to get
in his business, but I'm like, yo, I did that. Yeah,
that's a mistake. Yeah I pressed that, but I pressed screen.
That screen goes takes you nowhere.

Speaker 2 (16:02):
It doesn't. All right more coming up on the Roden
greg Show on this Thursday on Talk Radio one O
five nine.

Speaker 5 (16:09):
kN R S.

Speaker 1 (16:10):
They actually hurried and did it so that we could
announce it on the program. Yeah, the government that the
note votes were received in.

Speaker 2 (16:16):
The president didn't get the message. He signed it after
we were off the air. I know he was a
little slows, a little slow, come on, Donald, Yeah, you know,
I don't want to go into the whole agism thing,
but you know, you know we were on the air.
That's why they did pass it as quickly as they did,
and yet he did not sign it while we're still
on the air.

Speaker 1 (16:34):
So that guy President's gonna step it up. You know,
he's such a loafer.

Speaker 2 (16:38):
He doesn't really Yeah, it's not bigger much. It doesn't
go on.

Speaker 1 (16:43):
Yeah, it doesn't do much, does he.

Speaker 2 (16:45):
Well, On a serious note, let's talk about what happened
on the shutdown ended late last night. A lot of
people are now, you know, doing a lot of Monday
morning quarterback. He's saying why did they do it? Was
it worth it? Will joining us on our Newsmaker line
to talk about that. That our good friend Guy Shiraki.
He is a political commentator, a contributor at Broad and Liberty. Guy,

(17:06):
always great to have you on the show. All right,
your analysis, Why on earth the Democrats actually stage this fight?

Speaker 5 (17:11):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (17:12):
I think we can look now after the fact as
to what they actually talked about and what happened, and
I think it's you know, the question is why did
they fight they fight for. They fought for power, for leverage,
and to win the twenty twenty five election, and I
think they only gained on the last one, which is
when they went twenty twenty five election. Look the first

(17:33):
and foremost, and this will be the debate into the
fall and the winter, and that is the Affordable Care Act.
The Bamacare is a demonstrable failure. It is costing us
as a nation billions of dollars. And they know that
if they don't continue to have taxpayers artificially prop it up,
premiums for people who use the Bombacare will go up.

(17:54):
We've been artificially keeping them low by taxpayers pitching in.
And then I discussed in my column and Broad Liberty.
We remind everybody that we extended Obamacare to millions of
Americans during COVID when the government ordered people not to work,
and many Americans couldn't earn a living or certainly couldn't
earn what they had been earning, so we let more

(18:16):
Americans participate in Obamacare. The problem is, you know, guys,
is it's twenty twenty five, it's about to be twenty
twenty six. COVID is logged over much to the chagrin
of the Democrats, and we're still subsidizing insurance premiums. So
this fight, first and foremost was to try and get
us to subsidize Obamacare apparently forever, because five years of

(18:37):
subsidizing for some people isn't enough, and they warn us
that if we don't keep subsidizing it, what do we know,
then it won't be affordable. The Affordable Care Act won't
be affordable for plays of people. And the other part
is there fights about health care for illegal immigrants, free
health care for illegal immigrants, and trying to undo President

(18:58):
Trump's efforts on the border. Because to the second point,
the only way they can get on popular things done
is to hold America hostage because they know they don't
have the votes to get these things done if they
were up and down free legislation. So first they wanted
to use the shutdowns to prop up Obamacare, which has
been a demonstrable failure. It costs way too much and

(19:18):
doesn't cover enough people and you couldn't keep your doctor.
And second is they wanted to get us to do
get Congress to do things they don't have the votes
for except when they hold people hostage. But they did
win on the third point, and the third point is
they wanted to create chaos and uncertainty and anxiety among
many people, particularly those in Virginia who work in the

(19:39):
federal government, so that they could use it as leverage
to win the twenty twenty five election. And that part, unfortunately,
was successful. You know why don't we know those things
are true because they settled days afterwards for the very
deal the Republicans have been offering since June.

Speaker 1 (19:55):
So, guy, you've laid it out perfectly. You got filled
policy of Obamacare and even the food stamps to snap program,
and more attention to it. I think Americans by and
large probably understand the failure of those programs more today
than they did before this standoff occurred. We've heard the
Democrat leaders in Congress refer to the everyday American people
as leverage for their power, which is incredibly indicting. And

(20:19):
you're right, I think in Virginia a lot of places
that they did see that the twenty twenty five election
play their way. But let me ask you, with what
you you just laid out, in what I repeated back
to you, how does any Democrat in the House or
the Senate have the guts to continue to vote no. Now,
you know, we got enough votes to open the government.
But you have Democrats today that are still embracing shutting

(20:40):
down the government by a large majority of them. Shouldn't
they be ashamed at this point with all that you've
showed and what the American people know, how are they
still arguing that they would have shut down the government
if it were up to them.

Speaker 5 (20:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (20:55):
I think it's a great question, and I think the
answer is, unfortunately politics, and that is they will forever
fight with Donald Trump. They will fight with President Trump
and they can't ever agree with him. And frankly, you
know are phrases right. They're playing with the casino's money.
They know the bill's going to pass, They know that
people will get their snap benefits, they know that our

(21:16):
parks will reopen, and they know that things are going
so they get all of the benefit.

Speaker 1 (21:21):
Right.

Speaker 7 (21:21):
Once again, the Republicans have to be the grown up
party and the Democrats get to yell at the big, bad,
angry man that they don't lie, so they get the
both best of both worlds. They can give the angry
speeches post on social media for their followers, knowing that
Republicans and the eight senators in the Senate on the
Democratic side that help will get things going so that

(21:42):
everybody gets taken care of. It's pure politics. They use
it to their success in twenty twenty five, and as
you know, for them, the twenty twenty sixth election began
right after the victory speeches in twenty twenty five. And
it's a shame because the governing parks should be the
most importan, but for too many of the campaigning is
the important part.

Speaker 5 (22:03):
Guy.

Speaker 2 (22:03):
I found it interesting there were several leading Democrats that
I saw throughout the day today. They were asked about
the fact that the shutdown is over, and they were
asked was it worth it? And they all said, yes,
it was worth it. We have to stand up for
what we believe in. That to me sounds a little
bit different from what they were saying going into this thing.
Does it to you, guy, Well, it does.

Speaker 7 (22:24):
But again I think, as I mentioned the column you know, Rod,
is that they they're in a constant state of campaigning.
But they're also at this point in most congressional districts,
Democrat incumbents are afraid of attack from the left. They're
not afraid of a Republican opponent in many districts, They're

(22:45):
fearful of an attack from the left, so they remain
in campaign mode. They remain in confrontation mode. They remain
in angry mode because it's what they have to say,
because they're trying to appease it. It's why you know
only half kittings that the real Democratic leader in the
Senate is not Chuck Schumer. The real Democratic leader in
the Senate is AOC because she is omni president in

(23:08):
his life. He fears not only that she will challenge
him in a primary and take him out of a senator,
she fears that she and the squad and the other
the new members of the Senate that are more progressive
will take him out as leaders. So I think you
hear the angry rhetoric, and it was all worth it,
and I do it again in a heartbeat, because they're
in campaign mode, but also because any sort of sensible

(23:32):
Democrat lives in fear of the progressives coming and getting them,
which I think is driven the Democratic Party further and
further left. And I think folks like you and I
keep waiting is when will centrist Democrats stand up and
say enough is enough? We found eight Democrats willing to
do it to get the government reopened. I don't know

(23:54):
how sincere those folks will be in the future, but
we need some of them in the House that will
actually say the campaign is over, it's time to govern,
and then let's find a way to deal with the
issues in front of folks, including this healthcare issue, which
this failed. As many of us knew, there needs to
be a replacement, and it'd be nice it was a
bipartisan replacement that we knew would actually work and would stand.

Speaker 5 (24:16):
The test of time.

Speaker 1 (24:17):
So guy, real quick, looking at the twenty six midterms,
Democrats just get to be the party to tear down Republicans.
Republicans actually have to come up with solutions. And I
actually like that are there solutions to be found on
the affordability of healthcare and the cost of food and
some of these issues with failed policies like snap and Obamacare.
What do Republicans have to do to be proactive and

(24:38):
be successful in the midterms.

Speaker 5 (24:41):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (24:41):
So, I think the first is the message that the
work is not done politically, the work was not done.
Electing President Trump was not enough. Secondly, I think Republicans
have to do much as those of us of a
certain age remember that it took President Reagan two to
three years to turn things around. And I think Republicans
need to not do what the Democrats did. Democrats tried

(25:02):
to tell us everything was wonderful in twenty twenty three
and twenty twenty four, and the voters knew they were lying. Yes,
I think Republicans have to say the work is not done.
We need to get our energy out of the ground,
to lower the cost of agriculture, to lower the cost
of utilities. And the answer is not to go back
to what we failed. It's continued to it's rye. So
I think we have to make a referendum on that,

(25:24):
and I think we have to be honest that it
hasn't been fixed yet. And on healthcare, we say this
didn't work, growing government did not do it.

Speaker 2 (25:32):
Amen to that. Guys, you're Rocky joining us on our
Newsmaker line. More coming up on the Rod and Greg
Show and Talk Radio one O five nine kN r S.
All you need to know about this man is he
this young man twenty nine years old. He knows how
to use an excavator and he works for a construction company.
Very good at it apparently, and something upset him mightily,
and he took this excavator and he took one of

(25:54):
their newly finished homes of the contractor he worked for,
and took this sure and demolished it.

Speaker 1 (26:02):
I mean, you should see the pictures. This guy just
took his big arm. The front looks like it's normal,
and as soon as you go around the corner, it's
just destroyed. This guy he is very mad. He is
very mad. And so they say it's unclear at the
moment what his motive was. I'll tell you what his
motive was. He's mad at his boss. Something set him off.
He yeah, he's he yeah that was I thought it

(26:24):
was fake. I actually watched this earlier today and thought, uh,
you know, you can't, might be AI or something. Nope,
it is of folks.

Speaker 8 (26:32):
This guy.

Speaker 1 (26:32):
You do not want to make this man mad. He
just took that back ho to that very it's a
very large home too, or it used to be. Yeah,
that's a yeah, he can't pay that back. I'm looking
at this guy. He's got a neck tattoo and everything
he's in. It's going to be a long time before
he makes restitution for all that damage and he was.
He was drunk when they pulled him over.

Speaker 2 (26:54):
To that could be part of it.

Speaker 1 (26:58):
For d u I burglary and militia injury to property
to say the least, he was juiced, right, Yes, he
was mad and maybe three sheets to the wind.

Speaker 2 (27:06):
All right. Well, this is a word that kept on
coming up during the election. The new incoming mayor of
New York City used this word all the time talking
about affordability, and that appears to be the issue right
now that is on a lot of people's mind. Prices
are going up. I worry, and we expressed this a

(27:27):
couple of days ago on this show that we hope
the president doesn't fall into the trap that Joe Biden
and his team fell into when they were in the
White House. Prices kept going going up. Inflation one point
was what at nine percent? Greg, Is that what we heard? Yep,
And they kind of said, you know, don't bother. Everything's okay,
It's not as bad as you think it is. I
fear a little bit that the Trump administration may be

(27:49):
falling into that same trap. Case in point, okay, report
came out what a week ago, two weeks ago on
the cost of Thanksgiving dinner yes, and the President was
saying it's down.

Speaker 5 (28:01):
Now.

Speaker 2 (28:01):
What was not said is there were several items that
were in the Thanksgiving food basket last year that are
not in the Thanksgiving food bask to get this year,
and that's what is bringing the price down. You got
to shoot straight with the American people. And I don't
know if he did that time.

Speaker 1 (28:18):
Well, that was clearly an act. Once you know that
there's you're not comparing the same items year over year,
which is what the point was, then it's not accurate.
And whether that was a number quickly brought to the
president that he took and didn't realize. But you know,
online nowadays people know how to look stuff up, and
you and whoever was trying to make that, you know,
pull the wool over our eyes and say that things

(28:39):
were less expensive. They're just simply not.

Speaker 6 (28:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (28:42):
Yeah, we heard, we heard from like you know, freed
Thomas Friedman from the New York Times, this so called economist,
you know that the blue Blood's love he said during
Biden's administration, This economy's done is doing it's it's a
record booming, successful economy. And if you don't understand that,
then you're not sophisticated enough to underst stand the economy,
And what an offense to people that are trying to

(29:04):
make men's ends meet, that are feeling the crunch to
have some You know, some elitist leftist tell you that
you're just not smart enough to know how good you
have it. Also, I heard terms like money dysphoria. You
have money dys for you. You don't know the value
of money like you just it's your confusion, not the economy,

(29:24):
not the because economy is doing well. I will tell
you that we know that prices are high. I don't
understand it when you see some of the indicate key
traditional key indicators that would lower costs, like lower fuel costs.
If I see sixty bucks a barrel for a crude,
I should see lower gas prices. And when I see
lower gas prices that also translates into lower transportation costs

(29:47):
for groceries, things like that. When the Fed cutch rates,
which it's doing, you usually see your credit card digit
rates go on your loans for automobiles go down. Why
are we not seeing the gasoline prices go down as
we see the cost the commodity of crude oil go down?
Plunging down to as low as you wanted to go.
You don't really want it to go lower than sixty
dollars a barrel. Why are we not seeing interest rates

(30:09):
on car loans and credit cards going down as the
Fed has cut rates haven't come huge, but they've been cut.
They always go up when the Fed races rates, they
go up like clockwork. Why are we not seeing that?
And those are the kinds of things that are happening.
I think that are keeping this economy from being as
affordable as it should be. And I would hope that

(30:30):
President Trump and Republicans are identifying these problems and looking
to address them, because you know, if they don't, you're
not going to get away with the Obama We saw
that work. You're not gonna get away with their their
excuse that you're just it's a good economy and you
just don't understand it.

Speaker 2 (30:46):
Yeah, Well, here's the issue, greg Donald Trump. You know,
one of the issues in the campaign when he was
elected to a second term in office was the cost
of living. Yes, and he said he would bring prices
down on the first day.

Speaker 1 (30:58):
Yep, he did say that.

Speaker 2 (31:00):
Remember, now, you know all of us understand that's not Again,
this doesn't happen overnight. It took Reagan what three years?
Three years to get everything back down to where it
needed to be, and it's going to take a little time.
The question I have is the President talking about it
enough for Trump voters out there. He's done a great
job on the border. He's doing a great job on crime.

(31:22):
America is a leader internationally again in my opinion, you know,
look what he did in the Mideast.

Speaker 1 (31:27):
For all this, all this writing good fruits.

Speaker 2 (31:33):
But if you are a Trump supporter, are you concerned
that maybe a little too much focus was put on
those issues that I just brought up and not enough
on the economy. Now, to be fair, some prices have
come back down. Egg prices are down. There are a
few other items that are down. But like you said, Greg,
gasoline prices have come down, but there are other items

(31:53):
that keep on going up, and the American people are saying,
what gives?

Speaker 1 (31:58):
Yeah, I mean to be fair that the you know,
we've had thirty and more states that are at two
ninety nine a gallon and less. Okay, Utah is not
one of them, but you're seeing nationally those those gas
prices have come down, but you're not seeing it translated
in the cost of groceries as you normally would. But
some of those things he's doing, and that's those are

(32:18):
decisions on policy in terms of production and what you know.
The EPA doesn't put you know, barriers in front of
exploration of oil and gas things like that. But the
real worry is things that I'm hearing, like how about
fifty year mortgages or fifteen year car those those are
that is not that is not good news to people

(32:39):
that are that are struggling. That is a nightmare financial tools.
A fifty year mortgage that really doesn't lower your monthly
payment that much, or a fifteen year carl on these
cars are designed to leave it, let you down about
six years after you've got it. You know, maybe you
got a year after you paid it off to enjoy
no car payment. Before that you have to come back
to the well and get another. A fifteen year car

(33:01):
loan is not a consumer I would argue, not a
consumer friendly idea. Neither is the fifty year mortgage. When
I looked, I thought maybe it could be. But when
I saw that it doesn't really move interest rate or
mortgage rates very much, that is not that doesn't. That
helps banks in terms of interests collected, but that doesn't
help the everyday person. We need a We need a
Scott Bessant fireside chat. Okay, because that guy actually makes

(33:22):
a lot of sense. Like he's calm, he doesn't get
really worried about he's super smart. He needs to walk
America through how he sees this going to happen, because
some of the things I'm hearing from the White House,
even even the H one B one visas and the
student visas. He says, hey, we got to get these
Chinese visas or these student visas from China or these
higher edge these schools will close. Great, there are propaganda machines,

(33:46):
will let them close. They were. I thought that those
schools were for American kids and that there you'd have
you'd have foreign visas and students that would attend also.
But I didn't know they were only existing for and
on behalf of the student visas. Give me a break.
That can't be I that can't be a solution.

Speaker 2 (34:03):
Well, I got the concern I have, and that's why
we want to open up the phones to you tonight
and get your reaction to this. You know the issue
I think is affordability now interesting? You know, people are
concerned about prices, but there was a surveying out yesterday
that Americans are probably going to spend as much, if
not more on the holiday season this year. So maybe

(34:24):
affordability isn't that big of an issue. But if it is,
if you're a Trump supporter and everything Donald Trump has done,
are you happy with the work that he's done on
the economy, because people are raising questions about this, and
I guarantee you Greg, this is going to be issue
number one I think in the in the midterm elections
next year. And I hope you know, we're going to

(34:45):
get a report on a couple of things next week.
The Agriculture Secretary said, we're going to get we're going
to announce some plans next week to deal with abuse
in the staff program. Yeah, there's plenty of it out.

Speaker 1 (34:57):
Only twenty nine states gave her a department the information
and should they have found, oh abuse? I states that
actually give you the information?

Speaker 2 (35:05):
Well, my question is, okay, Republicans and mister Trump and
you're economic good advisors and I think he's got a
great team. What are you going to do to respond
to that? Because you know, that question is going to
come up.

Speaker 1 (35:15):
Great, it is, and you play in the Democrats hands
because they don't have to have any ideas. All they
have to do is tear down a Republican, tear down Trump.
And that's just that's their wheelhouse. That's all they have
to do. They're not expected to come up with anything
more than that. But Republicans are and Trump is, and
that's that's that's a heavier you know, that's a longer
road a ho and a tougher rot to ho. It's
but it's okay. I'd rather have our Republican ideas than

(35:36):
the Democrats.

Speaker 2 (35:37):
Well, let me tell you what their idea is going
to be. You know what it is. They've said it
for centuries. Yeah, just spend more money to pack the
rich packs and spend and spend. It doesn't work, No,
it doesn't, all right, Your calls and comments coming up
with this eight eight eight five seven oh eight zero
one zero eight eight eight five seven oh eight zero
one zero on your cell phone dial pound two fifty
and say hey Rod, or leave us some message on

(35:57):
our talk back line. Your calls and comments coming up
on the Rod and Gregg Show, And I'm Rod our
kitt You know I love turning to our listeners because
they are problem solvers. Yeah, you smart, look at smart.
So the question is affordability. Is the president talking about
it enough? What does he need to do? Is the
economy okay in your opinion? What do you think? Let's
go to the phones eighty eight eight five seven eight

(36:19):
zero one zero on your cell phone dial pound two
fifteen and say hey, Rod already we have a lot
of comments on our talk back lines as well. First
we go to the phones and talk with Adam in
Payton tonight. Adam, how are you welcome to the Rod
and Gregg Show.

Speaker 4 (36:32):
Well, hello, gentlemen, thank you so much for taking my call.
I've got a couple of comments about Trump and the economy.
I think I think there's some good things happening. But
I've got a comment first on your earlier commentary on
AOC talking about saying the recruit trun just trying to
recruit Trump voters over there. You missed what she said

(36:54):
because she was completely lying. If you go back and
listen to the recording, she said, I can't tell you
how many people I've talked to the reason.

Speaker 5 (37:05):
She can't tell you she's lying we forgot that right.
She phrased it.

Speaker 4 (37:10):
She said, I can't tell you, and then there was
this upward inflection. So she's she's she's a bad actress,
and you can hear that she's not telling the truth.
She'll never come up with a name. It didn't really happen.
She's trying to open the door there, but it's it's
not true.

Speaker 1 (37:26):
So you don't even think it was a line. You
don't even think someone was flirting.

Speaker 4 (37:31):
No, no, no, she said, I can't tell you because
it didn't happen. So she was she was torn in court.
She could say, oh, I never said that happened. I said,
I can't say that happened.

Speaker 2 (37:44):
She left herself out, all right, Adam, what are your
thoughts on the economy.

Speaker 4 (37:48):
Well, as far as the economy is concerned, I think
that the best thing Trump is doing is getting rid
of the regulation, opening up drilling, opening up oil exploration.
He's you using cares as as leverage to strike deals
with countries you should have done a long time ago.
He's doing some great things there. But I don't think

(38:09):
it's the government's responsibility to take care of the economy.
I think if they can get out of the way.
The economy will take care of itself. We're great producers,
we're great consumers, and the thing that's hurt us the
most is government getting in the way.

Speaker 2 (38:24):
You're right, Adam, Thank you. We we got to move
on with other college. It makes a good point.

Speaker 1 (38:28):
Back to the phone, Let's go to Skip and murray Skip.
Thank you for holding. Welcome to the Rod and Gregg Show.

Speaker 5 (38:34):
Hey, thanks, thanks for talking to me today.

Speaker 9 (38:37):
One of the issues I think we just don't ever
talk about is the fact that we keep.

Speaker 5 (38:41):
Pushing this this debt down the road.

Speaker 9 (38:45):
Yes, and we're actually taxing people that have no representation,
And I don't think we ever think of it that
way with regards to what the government's doing to our
grandchildren and great grandchildren pushing this debt down the road.
They will they don't have any say into what's actually
happening to our economy. So how do we keep doing
this and make it legal?

Speaker 1 (39:06):
I agree with you, I really do. And I even
you're right about the people that were not born yet,
but even our emerging workforce right now who don't vote
as much, but they are they are inheriting a very
different financial situation in this country. Than than we have prior.

Speaker 2 (39:24):
So good good point, Yeah, good point. All right, let's
go to a mid Vale here. What Leo has to
say tonight on the Rod in Greg Show. Hi, Leo,
how are you.

Speaker 10 (39:32):
Good?

Speaker 4 (39:33):
Uh?

Speaker 11 (39:34):
One thing I do not like about the Trump economy
right now is one of the biggest campaign promises Trump
had was no tax on tips. And it turns out
tips are still being taxed. And that was pretty disappointing
for me because that's why I voted for Trump.

Speaker 1 (39:54):
That's you know, that's good.

Speaker 2 (39:55):
I thought that was in one of the big bills
or something that part of the one big beautiful bill,
I thought. But you you haven't seen it take place yet,
right Leo, No, they still tax you.

Speaker 11 (40:05):
Any amount over twenty five thousand dollars is still being tacked.
Though it was they did something, but it's uh, definitely
not no tax.

Speaker 1 (40:15):
On team right well, right now, all right, good, thank
you for thanks for the observation. And I'm telling you
that people remember it, they remember what your problem.

Speaker 2 (40:22):
You have got to follow through on your promise to
Zarrel's all right. We've had a lot more calls, a
lot of our talkback comments coming up here on the
Rod and Greg Show as we talk about affordability tonight
on talk radio one oh five nine k n RS.
We're talking right now. If you're just joining us, you know,
there are stories out there that there are some Trump
supporters who are getting how would you describe it, maybe
a little nervous, lou edgy when it comes to the

(40:44):
President's performance on the economy.

Speaker 1 (40:47):
Yeah, the economy or economy is something we're not seeing.
I think it's the crony capitalism. I think it's the
same problem I saw during the Biden administration. I think
big business and big government merged. And I don't think
that all the work he's done the press and it's done,
he's been able to break up that cabal. And then
you've got these issues where he's starting to change. I mean,
we've I've got a quote from President Trump in sixteen

(41:08):
where he said these H one B one visa's work
against the American workers. He's now promoting those and I'm
sure it's probably a deal, you know, with China in
terms of trying to sell the broader deal, but it
doesn't serve the American people. Well, he was writing sixteen
when he said it. So some of those things I again.
Need I need a Scott Bess fireside chat. That's what
I need to get. Call me down.

Speaker 2 (41:29):
All right, let's go to the phones. Get your reaction.
In Salt Lake City. Sam is joining us tonight here
on the Rodding Greg Show. Sam, how are you? Thanks
so much for joining us.

Speaker 9 (41:39):
I'm doing good.

Speaker 8 (41:40):
And my comment is, don't let the Democrats beat you
up the side of the head the same way we
beat them up the side of.

Speaker 2 (41:47):
The head on the economy.

Speaker 6 (41:49):
Good point you've got.

Speaker 8 (41:50):
You've got a lot of You've got a lot of hyperbole.
I listened to Kathleen Reebe, who's got the shrill of
some AOC and Elizabeth Warren and all the rest of
these biddies, Okay, and she just keeps churning out the
same old crap. We look, the inflation has come down dramatically. Yes,

(42:19):
it has dramatically. Give the guy credit for it. He
pound that into the pounded because it's been effective. Has
it reached its potential?

Speaker 1 (42:31):
No?

Speaker 8 (42:32):
Now, I happen to know a little bit about all
this apartment complexes that are being built in Utah. There's
a ton of them. I don't know how many housing
units there are, but there's got to be.

Speaker 5 (42:43):
I don't know.

Speaker 6 (42:44):
You guys know the number. There's thousands.

Speaker 8 (42:48):
They can't rent them out.

Speaker 10 (42:50):
They can't rent.

Speaker 8 (42:51):
Them out now because you know why, because Trump has
sent three million illegals back home.

Speaker 2 (42:58):
That's a good point, Sam, because I didn't even think
about that, didn't even think about that. No, I liked.

Speaker 1 (43:03):
I liked his taken up. And I'll tell you I
I did when I when I was hearing this, I said,
what is stirring this? Because I don't want to follow
just a Democrat narrative. And so you know, folks, Kathleen Reeby,
she is a state senator that is announced her candidacy
for this. This scammed up dark blue the district one
in Utah. That's a plus twenty four percent Kamala Harris

(43:24):
voting district became nothing in America's twenty four percent for
Kamala Harrison. Here you have it in Utah.

Speaker 2 (43:31):
I have a point. You know the names of Ben mccadams, Uh, Kathy,
Kathleen Kathy Kathley, Kathleen Reeby, reb and Nate Bluwin. That
is yes, he's they're talking to him. He hasn't. He's
not formal, he's not formally in there. Do you think
Democrats in Washington give a twit what those three have
to say? I I actually not.

Speaker 1 (43:49):
I want I think they want them elected. I think
that the machine wants them elected because they'd love to
steal a seat out of Utah. But I don't think
that there's going to be a lot of swat being
thrown around amongst the Democrats there in DC. But I
will tell you this, if it's a plus twenty four
Kamala Harris district, which is very different than the Democrats
have been elected in Utah before that have been more moderated,
they've been Uh, they will, they will sing the tune.

Speaker 2 (44:12):
I don't know they won't.

Speaker 1 (44:15):
Our Democrats in the past have had to be they'd
be okay with the votes that they were needed on,
but if not, they would try to stay for you
they get passes on other votes. Whoever comes out of
that district, that nightmare district not along. I don't know
how long that district lives, but as it is today,
that will be the most radical Democrat and they are
going to be right there with all the all the

(44:36):
radicals in DC. That will alienate that where they're not
going to have any impact is the delegation genuinely is
a stronger delegation when it's united on Utah issues in
the Senate, in the in in the House of Representatives,
and that that that member of that district is going
to have nothing to do and nothing in common with
the three other members of Congress.

Speaker 2 (44:55):
Let's go to Todd and Lynden, the diights. We continue
to take your phone goals. Hi Todd, how are you?

Speaker 5 (45:01):
Yeah?

Speaker 12 (45:02):
Great?

Speaker 2 (45:02):
Hey, thanks love the show, Thank you, thank you.

Speaker 12 (45:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 13 (45:07):
My two cents would be I think people just need
to be patient.

Speaker 6 (45:11):
Ronald Reagan.

Speaker 13 (45:12):
I'm old enough to remember Ronald Reagan. It took a
couple of years for him to turn things around after
the disaster that he took over. And it's the same
thing with Trump. He's taken over a disaster. It's going
to take a but he's already got all these companies
promised to come in and manufacturing is coming in, so
it's going to take time, but it will happen.

Speaker 6 (45:31):
Just like with Reagan.

Speaker 5 (45:32):
People just have to be patient.

Speaker 2 (45:33):
Yeah, yeah, Todd, thank you very much for that, because
we've got to realize that it did take Reagan, I
think about three years. Greg, I'm trying to remember he
won in eighty did he get chilactin eighty two in
the midterm elections. I'm trying to remember the look, if
he did, it may happen to Trump. But he started
turning around. And remember we remember what happened in nineteen
eighty four. Didn't he win every state except.

Speaker 1 (45:58):
His own state? But no, I agree with him, I
think that, But I will say that the we're just spoiled.
He's done so much in such a short amount of
time that we expect that same pace and that same
you know, productivity on all fronts. And maybe we're just
being unrealistic. But I will tell you that the Democrats

(46:18):
are going it's going to play right in their hands
because all they know how to do is tear down
and to criticize. If they have things they can that
they can attack this president on and and again, I
just you cannot alienate our younger people in terms of
what they can what kind of economy they get in
front of them, and how they get to prosper.

Speaker 2 (46:35):
All right, you can give us call, but let's hear
from our talkback lines as well. Here's one of our listeners.

Speaker 6 (46:42):
Trump's been doing a great job on the economy.

Speaker 12 (46:45):
The challenge is that you have to try and figure
out how you're going to erase twenty four to twenty
five percent inflation. And you can't just pull out out
of the thing and say, oh, it's gone. You've got
to bring down the things a little bit at a
time because it takes time to do that. Fuel comes
down priced to some of the food processing and production

(47:07):
comes down. It takes time to do it.

Speaker 2 (47:10):
Yeah, it does. Color pointed out it took Reagan two
or three years and understand and he brings up such
a good point because when we talk about inflation, it's
that number isn't just a static number that goes up
or down.

Speaker 1 (47:21):
It's it compounds. So when you say that when we
say that inflation is now at a two pert it's
less than three percent, it's still part of the the
of the climbing that it did under Biden. For the
years that it did. It went up, you know, three percent,
six percent, five percent. When it's when you see that,
it's talking about the growth over a certain period of time,
not shrinking back down. So that what the point that's

(47:43):
being made there is he has this giant accumulative inflationary
effect that he is trying to bring trying to bring
get under control, and so that that does take time.

Speaker 2 (47:53):
Do we all agree that Jerome Powell waited way too
long on the loring interest rates?

Speaker 1 (47:58):
Yeah, and he exposed himself as highly highly political partisan.
The story was that that was not the case.

Speaker 2 (48:04):
All Right, more of your calls and comments coming up
on the Rotten Greg Show. Larry is in Cash Valley tonight. Hi, Larry,
welcome to the show.

Speaker 10 (48:12):
Hi, thank you guys. I have a guy that I
commute with the smokes He said, Oh, I didn't my
cigarettes not dropping price. Trump's been bragging about the economy,
and I said, well, they got to plow the field,
they got to harrow that field, they got to do
the tobacco, take it in, dry it, then they got

(48:35):
to take it by truck and make a cigarette out
of it, and then they got to go to the
retail store. All that's higher gas is the time Trump
wasn't in there. He can't take a lot of things
down because of the gas prices that the time Biden
was there.

Speaker 2 (48:51):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, Yeah. That's a good point, Larry. And
that's one of the issues I think you've talked about
this He's talked about this. Lower the gas prices, the
delivery costs become less, production becomes less prices. And this
is why I'm not going to let this go about.

Speaker 1 (49:06):
The prices in Utah are not tracking the national norms,
and that's and that has so I thought maybe the
higher prices was maybe a regional thing where we're in
a captured market in Utah, but I'm hearing it. This
is broader than just our state. Let's go back to
the phones. Let's go to Rob, who's in Brigham City. Rob,
thank you for listening to the Rod and Greg show.
Thank you for calling. What do you think about all this?

Speaker 14 (49:28):
Well, yes, thank you for taking my call. I agree
with all the previous callers except one thing that hasn't
been mentioned. But for sure, we just need to be
patient and Trump is doing all the right things and
it's going to take time. But one thing that has
not been mentioned is, if you think about it, one
of you mentioned interest rates, why they haven't come down
with the drop of the interst rates on credit cards

(49:49):
and things, And you've got to remember that these corporate
people and these bankers are many of them, probably most
of them, are still the same people who are in
there when they allowed to get themselves pushed into wokes
and who knows what deals were made with the Democrats too,
and they're afraid to go back on those deals. They
don't want to make Trump look good because if they

(50:11):
lower the anterstrates, it makes them look good, and they
may go out to they may go down and to
go back on a deal that they made with some
bad party in the past. I just think that there's
a lot of people in corporate America who are elites
who don't care about their low level of employees. They
just know that they made deals and they got rich
and Biden's era, and I think that's continuing to go
on and it's going to be an uphill battle to

(50:32):
weed it out, but I think it'll still get weeded
out of.

Speaker 2 (50:35):
Mentally, yeah, I sure do hope. So Biker combinations is
the word that comes to mind for me.

Speaker 1 (50:40):
Rob just HiT's exactly what I think. I think Big business,
big government they colluded together. They're still there. There's still
the same people. There is a heart it's been described
I read which interested me. It's a harvesting of that
interest rate that's dropping, where they are taking that profit
or they're enjoying the benefit of it, not passing it
along to consumers. It's no longer a mechanism for consumer purchasing,

(51:01):
whether it be an auto loan or a credit card.
They can capture the interest rate and do better for
themselves by capturing that versus passing along to consumers. But
if it ever goes up, well you're gonna the consumer
is the first one to pay for it. So I
think that that will take time. I think that can
be rooted out and people. You've got to have an
economy that's really for the consumers because that at the bottom,

(51:22):
at the end of the day, there that's the power,
the buying power of this country that will drive this economy.

Speaker 2 (51:27):
That's right, And you have to remember, we've had a
couple of callers remind us you need to be patient.
It does take time to change this. It's like you know,
turning a battleship and a bathtub around. It's not easy
to do. But the American people they've got to understand that. Unfortunately, Greg,
I don't think.

Speaker 5 (51:42):
All of them do.

Speaker 2 (51:43):
Unfortunately. All right, when we come back, we'll talk about
California eight wins again. In California we'll explain all that
coming up.

Speaker 1 (51:51):
The cool heads prevail. I think I thought the assessment
was exactly right. I think that Look, there was a
conversation that was happening before Charlie Kirk was tragically assassinated
where he was saying he's on all these college campuses

(52:11):
and he is hearing like, what's it going to take
to be able to afford a home? How am I
going to be in this next market? And guys like
Tucker Carlson were surprised to hear that college students were
talking about those types of things. It wasn't what he
thought college kids would be looking at. But I think
it's coming up a little bit more often because I
do think, as one of our callers pointed out, and
I agree, that there's some crony capitalism out there with

(52:32):
the way business has been done that has to be righted.
And I'm going to tell you I'm not I think
that is. We don't want to ignore that or pretend
it doesn't exist, but I think that that's part of
this what's going on here.

Speaker 2 (52:42):
The average age of getting into a home for the
first time is now forty years old.

Speaker 1 (52:46):
That's right. They've lost a decade.

Speaker 2 (52:48):
They've lost a decade many I was twenty four when
we got into work. I was twenty nine, were twenty nine,
So it's right in that area and the cost of
a home, and they looked at I can't remember what
year they were looking back on first home. Hundred and
ten thousand dollars. Yeah, yeah, first home now four hundred
and ten thousand.

Speaker 1 (53:05):
Unreal.

Speaker 2 (53:05):
That's ridiculous.

Speaker 1 (53:06):
It's hard to believe. And then we have the mess
in California, which leads us to our guest here to
talk about California. But understand this, I don't think we're
the failure in that state. As big as it is
and as large as their economy cannot help but detrimentally
impact different factors of our economy here in the state
of Utah, that's for sure.

Speaker 8 (53:24):
Well.

Speaker 2 (53:24):
Joining us on our Newsmaker line to talk about what
went on in California. Of course, we've talked about our
redistricting issues. They've got a much bigger issue in the
state of California with Prop fifty. And joining us on
our news maker line is our good friend Ed Ring.
He's a senior fellow at the Center for American Greatness.
Ed you wrote in California, hate has one yet again.
What do you mean by that?

Speaker 15 (53:45):
Well, you know, it's funny how we're kind of often
as conservatives, accused of being the sort of the hate mongers.
But the reality in California is the Democrats really don't
have answers to the challenges that the state's facing. But
the way that they win is by, you know, basically
playing the hate card. They demonized Republicans. They've been doing

(54:07):
that for again, for decades, and all they have to
do is say things like protect the right to abortion,
fight racism, and nowadays, of course they've got stopped Trump
and they you know, they've got the climate emergency. So
the reactions kind of Pavlovian. And what we saw in November,

(54:30):
you know, this just just a couple of weeks ago,
was that all they had to say was stick it
to Trump, and the voters supported something that It's a
partisan state, you know, it's but the partisanship is not
generated because they have solutions. It's generated because they are
able to stigmatize Republicans and it works.

Speaker 1 (54:51):
You know, your articles so timely for us. In the
state of Utah, we're going through a really bad rogue judge,
but really a well organized left leftist campaign that started
back it was run in twenty eighteen to really change
the way the legislature is able to redraw or redistrict
congressional maps. And so that's really hit the fan this

(55:12):
week where we had a judge pick just an advocacy
group that's a leftist center group to just draw Utah's
maps for law. Here's my question. Here's the point I
want to make. I read your article here, here are
the largest funders of the twenty eighteen effort in Utah,
and you will recognize these suspects. Gavin Newsom's Campaign for
Democracy Pack, the SEIU, the United Healthcare Workers of California,

(55:36):
the National Education Association. These are all the people that
you're pointing out are really fomenting hate in the state
of California. This goes back a number of years. How
long has Newsome and these leftists been up to this,
not just in California, but even more broadly trying to
interrupt the process in other states.

Speaker 15 (55:58):
Well, I can talk about the funding because the state
of California pretty much started to get taken over about
the time that the public sector unions were given the
right to unionize. You know, public sector employees through the
seventies and really well up into the eighties didn't have
the organizing power that they do now. And in the

(56:18):
state of California, every year, just the dues from public
employees in California total over a billion dollars, and you know,
they use about half of that for either information campaigns
that are you know, thinly disguised political advocacy that doesn't
qualify as political spending, or it's explicitly lobbying expenses and

(56:40):
campaign contributions. So you're looking at about you know, per
election cycle, you're looking at about billion dollars a year.
Even in California with almost forty million people, that's enough
money to pretty much buy elections right from you know,
the governor all the way down to every city council seat,
every school board, and it's enough money to export to
other states. And public sector unions are you know, by

(57:02):
definition democratic because they want more government so that they
can have more members and more membership dues, so you
have a gross conflict of interests there. And the other thing,
you know, it sort of explains why California in many
respects is a failed state, because if you fail in
affordable housing subsidies, or if you fail in a homeless outreach,

(57:27):
you get more money. If you solve the problem, you
don't get more money. So the whole model of the
Democratic Party is just broken.

Speaker 2 (57:36):
And we know we've been to California. Of course you
were there. A lot of our listeners have been to California,
beautiful state, and all that state is blessed with so
much beauty and so much opportunity. Do people in California
see what's happening and are they ever going to stand
up and say enough is enough, We've had enough of this.

Speaker 15 (57:56):
It's possible because at some point all of these emotional
triggers are going to be overwhelmed by just economic and
social dysfunction. There's a very very strong possibility that the
price of gasoline in California is going to spike. It's

(58:17):
already by far the highest prices in the country. But
the Democrats have regulated the oil industry pretty much out
of existence. And what they are starting to realize a
little bit too late is they went too far. And
when you drive corporations that have to make investments based
on a ten or twenty year investment horizon, at the
very least, and you tell them they can't drill anymore,

(58:39):
and they stopped drilling permits for the last five years.
They've just started it back up, but there's a long
term effect of that that's delayed. There's going to be
a tremendous shortage of gasoline. There's going to be a
shortage of port facilities to import to make up the difference.
There's two refineries that are leaving the state and others
are threatening to leave the state, so you could have

(59:01):
a problem.

Speaker 2 (59:01):
And that's just one example.

Speaker 15 (59:03):
You know, there's problems on the power grid. The demand
for electricity soaring in California because they're promoting electric vehicles,
and of course AI is consuming a lot more energy
than anyone expected, so they're facing energy shortages across the board.
They're not managing the water in California in a way
that we're going to lose all kinds of jobs in

(59:24):
the farming community. Hundreds of thousands of jobs are at
risk in the farming community alone in California. And then
you've got the housing shortage, and they regulate home construction
so you can't build outside of certain urban footprints. It
causes the value of land to just artificially soar. So
there's all of these things happening in California that if

(59:46):
they don't get it under control right away, and it
may be too late, you're going to see economic shocks
that are going to convince the people in California that
something's got to give. But the responsibility of Republicans in
California are to stand up to this stuff with solutions
that are you know, maybe a little bit out of
their comfort zone right now. They have to be willing
to challenge the climate narrative, for example, which is used

(01:00:09):
to justify all of these extreme environmentalist policies. And in Utah,
the Republicans need to step up the way that Democrats
did in California. The Republicans in Utah need to recognize
that it's a national fight and we're going to lose
if we don't take the states where we do have
power in the legislature and do the same things that

(01:00:30):
Democrats again have been doing for decades. If you look
at what happened in Texas, they're just bringing their supposed disproportionality,
you know, where there's you look at how many people
voted for Trump and how many congressional districts have you
got right? Well, in California, the imbalance is merely going
to be restored by what Texas does. And then if California,

(01:00:52):
which they've done, what what California is going to do
is going to bring back a disparity. In other words,
the disproportionate represent temptation of Republicans in Texas was about
equal to what California is going to be. You see,
you see what I mean. The Texas didn't tilt the

(01:01:14):
playing field. What Texas did level the playing field between
Texas and California, and now California took another step to
make the playing field tilted again. States like Utah have
to fight to join this fight.

Speaker 2 (01:01:28):
And I hope we do fight. And rumblings are that
we may be fighting. We should be fighting. Ye, when
it comes to redistrict, we get tough. We absolutely have
to get tough. Whatever you accept, you're going to get
more of. And we really, really as a state cannot
accept what's happened to here this week. We cannot accept it.

Speaker 1 (01:01:44):
We cannot. That's going to take many different shapes and forms,
but we cannot accept what's happened here. Go look at California.
It's actually hurting us right now, in real time. But
we have got to be the masters of our destiny.
And this is the radio audience that can do it too.

Speaker 2 (01:02:00):
They can all right more coming up on the Rod
and Greg Show when we come back, a golfing legend
who hughes now thinks is his best friend has something
to say about California as well. No, no, you a
golf legend. No, but you'll recognize the name when we
come back. You're on the Rod and Greg Show and
Talk Radio one oh five nine. Can arrest if you
enjoy golf the name Phil Micholson. I think many most

(01:02:21):
people know who is an old lefty right right. Apparently
you think he's a friend of yours.

Speaker 1 (01:02:25):
Now because he liked one of my comments And are
you like that he tweeted out, we're basically something.

Speaker 2 (01:02:30):
Yeah, you believe he's your pissed?

Speaker 5 (01:02:32):
Oh wow, you know she was.

Speaker 2 (01:02:35):
She's she's from Sandy. His wife's from Sandy, Utah.

Speaker 5 (01:02:38):
I did not know that.

Speaker 1 (01:02:39):
Yeah, well, yeah, she was a I think she was
a Phoenix Sun's basketball cheerleader. He was at a game
and he caught his eye and.

Speaker 2 (01:02:51):
Right he's speaking out about the price of gas in California.
And he's been doing this for a little while, and
he praising the GOP gubernatorial candidate Steve Hilton for his
plan to produce gas in the state to reduce prices
with offshore drilling.

Speaker 1 (01:03:08):
Oh you know the man speaking my language. Yeah, he's
I mean, California has to get it back together to
stop it won't rippling into a very very negative economic
situation for the state of Utah. It is just too
lucrative for them to pipe that refined gasoline out of Utah.
Twoe to Nevada, who was depending on California wherever they were.

(01:03:31):
Whatever supply chain was existing that California was a part
of has come apart, and Utah is making it coming
up with the gap there. But they're making so much
that they have no they have no need to have
prices that were like they were just during the first
Trump term. I just want things to look like they
did from what was it, sixteen to twenty. I don't
feel like that was that long ago. I don't know

(01:03:53):
why we can't have with all the infrastructure for fuel
that we have, we can't have the first term of
Trump those those levels of gas prices. But California, I
do know that California is one of the problems that
we're facing now that didn't exist back in that first term.

Speaker 2 (01:04:08):
California is going to green itself to death. Yeah, and
then they're going to you know then like hypocrites, they
got to go.

Speaker 1 (01:04:14):
But they're getting gas they're getting gasoline on tankers that
are coming from you know whatever that's emitting so much
pollution to bring that in in here for what so
that they can be you know, climate conscious.

Speaker 2 (01:04:27):
Well, by the way, they can have a they can
be clean. There won't be tractor trailers in California anymore.
You see what they did yesterday now they found the
state found i think the number was seventeen thousand illegal
CDL drivers. Yeah, great, great, and they revoke those licenses.

Speaker 1 (01:04:44):
Perfect.

Speaker 2 (01:04:44):
I'm glad.

Speaker 1 (01:04:45):
Yeah, I mean the American death read these jobs. This
is this is one of the problems again. And one
of our callers pointed out a lot of the housing scarcity,
a lot of things have come as you know, the
unintended consequences or maybe the intended consequences of the illegal
immigration is.

Speaker 2 (01:05:00):
The President was in DC last Sunday for the game
between who was it? It was the Detroit Lions. And
Washington commanders. Right, Yes, he'll will played by player by player.
He sucked at it, but he tried. No, he was good.
I'm just kidding. Well, who was the player? Is a
mon ro st Brown? Is that how that's pronounced? I
think wide receiver for Yeah, he's a wide receiver, wide receiver.

(01:05:24):
Really good player played at USC, I believe, as I recall,
played at USC. He did the Trump dance in the
end zone. Remember that another player joined him.

Speaker 1 (01:05:33):
I was just going to say it was more than him.
They did the Trump dance, and I think they knew
who was watching. And the Air Force one did the
fly ye flyover.

Speaker 2 (01:05:40):
So explain this to me. Why does he feel he
need to apologize now if he offended anybody? What do
you mean he's apologized? Who is the receiver? Yeah, he's
apologizing for offending people because he did the Trump dance
in the end.

Speaker 1 (01:05:54):
Zone because he plays in Detroit. Detroit is in Michigan
and Michigan is blue and they have Trump de rangement
syndrome and he doesn't it.

Speaker 5 (01:06:02):
That's it.

Speaker 2 (01:06:03):
He's having a little fun. Greg.

Speaker 1 (01:06:05):
I know, I know, it's it's it's a sad, it's sad,
but he's having fun. You know, he clearly doesn't have
Trump arrangement syndrome, but the fans of the Detroit Lions
obviously do.

Speaker 2 (01:06:17):
Wow, So I'm to apologize stupid.

Speaker 1 (01:06:20):
It is stupid.

Speaker 2 (01:06:21):
Yeah, all right, more coming up the Roter and Greg
Joe and Talk Radio one oh five nine.

Speaker 5 (01:06:25):
Ken r s.

Speaker 1 (01:06:26):
It's the weirdest thing. And I'm so glad that our
next guest spotted this and did you know and spoke
and wrote about it. But if you look at that
New York City marriage race and Zulander mom Donnie and
how he won and who voted for him, the guy
that it would be surprising to see that it was elite,
elitist people with the highest income or the highest degree

(01:06:46):
of education that were big, big for him, and actually
the working class of New York City they were looking
at Cuomo.

Speaker 2 (01:06:52):
Are you meaning Greg that the Democratic Socialists do not
care about the working man and woman.

Speaker 1 (01:06:59):
Or the working people in New York City is not
picking up what they're putting down. One of the two
is going on. But yeah, there's a disconnect going on there.
And I looked at that and I thought, weird, Well,
we're going to get a little context Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:07:08):
Well, apparently college graduates have decided to put socialism back
on the bell. Joining us on our Newsmaker line to
talk more about that, Connor Boyak with Labertos Institute. Connor
has written an article for that in the in Reason
and Connor, thank you very much for joining us tonight.
Let's talk about the vote in New York a week ago.
Give us some of your key points that you found

(01:07:30):
coming out of that election.

Speaker 6 (01:07:32):
There's a lot of ways to slice the data to
try and figure out why someone like mom Donnie got elected.
You can look based on age, we're older or younger,
people more likely to vote for him, and so forth.
One of the ways that you can look at the
exit polling data is by education. And so the fascinating
thing looking at the exit polling where people were indicating

(01:07:52):
that they voted for him and giving some demographic information
about themselves, The education aspect was fascinate to me. Only
forty two percent of voters in New York City who
did not have a college degree ended up voting for
Mamdani forty two percent. By contrast, the voters who have

(01:08:14):
a college degree voted for him at a fifty eight
percent rate. So that's a spread of sixteen percent, showing
I think a huge gap between those who don't have
a degree in those who do, which opens up this question,
why is it that the more educated, the more schooled,
are the ones who are at least you know, correlation,

(01:08:35):
not causation, but maybe more likely to be voting for
someone like Mamdani. It's a very provocative and interesting question.
While we're talking about so many kind of challenges with
higher education and the types of students are being produced
by these institutions, we have to wonder are these institutions
turning out individuals who really understand how the world works,

(01:08:58):
or are they getting more kind of indoctrinated and kind
of baked in some of these bad ideas during their
college experience.

Speaker 1 (01:09:04):
You know, it's you point out a really important factor
because if you listen to man Donnie's campaign, it sounded
like he was for the everyday New Yorker. They couldn't
afford they can't afford the subway, they can't afford daycare,
they can't afford groceries, they can't afford rent. It sounded
like one that was really appealing to people that are struggling.

(01:09:25):
But when you looked at those numbers, like you said, Connor,
and you see that the everyday working class New Yorkers
were not voting for him, like the educated I would
call the more elite class. Where how do you run
a campaign with a narrative of I'm here for you
working class that only appeals or seems to uniquely appeal
to the you know, the elite class of voter.

Speaker 2 (01:09:46):
How does that even happen.

Speaker 6 (01:09:49):
It's a provocative question, I think in part because when
you look at the history of socialism, which you know, Mom,
Donnie is a self avowed democratic socialist, as he calls it,
socialists Traditionally and certainly it's elder brother, communism appeals to
the working class. It is, hey, you know, you have
all these problems. You envy the rich. We should text them,

(01:10:10):
we should take their resources and distribute them to the masses, right,
And so that is kind of the traditional classical version
of socialism. And yet you have this kind of new
flavor with Mamdani, where his socialism, you would think greag
for reasons you just explained, would appeal to the people
who are struggling to pay rent, struggling to buy food.
The workers of New York City uniting to install him

(01:10:32):
in office. Instead, it was the laptop class, right, the bourgeoisie,
the modern kind of tech enabled finance bro type of
individual who are maybe resonant with him for emotional reasons,
esthetic reasons, narrative reasons as opposed to strictly economic reasons.
There were a number of interviews that were done leading

(01:10:54):
up to the campaign where people would go out on
the street and just talk to random New Yorkers. It's
funny where I'm literally in New York City as we're
having this conversation on here for the week, and so
you can see all these people getting interviewed why did
you support from mom Donnie? And people would say things like, oh,
I just love his Instagram videos. He has such a
good smile, and these reasons that have nothing to do

(01:11:16):
And so what is the fate of a city that
has handed the reins of power to someone who's never
had a job, has no experience, but he's appealed to
people in this very superficial way.

Speaker 2 (01:11:25):
You know, Connor, I'm impressed or I find it interesting,
I should say, the arrogance of these college graduates who
voted for Mam Donnie. And you hear this come up
occasionally and they you know, they know the history of
socialism and communism, but they always seem to say, well,
it just hasn't been done right. Give us a chance
to do it, and we'll do it right. What are
your thoughts on that when you hear as someone.

Speaker 6 (01:11:45):
Say that, Well, to me, it speaks to the underlying
problem of our higher education institutions that individuals who attend
are being heavily schooled. But I don't know that they're
being heavily educated. I don't think their minds are being opened.
In fact, I think their minds, like Jonathan Hite talks
about in his book, are being closed. We have the

(01:12:07):
closing of the American mind, we have the coddling of
the American mind, and we're not challenging young people to
have this open inquiry about ideas and history. Rod to
your question about how these ideas have played out in
the past, the fate of all of these nations that
have gone in a socialist direction, and so what is
the point of obtaining a college degree, going into debt

(01:12:29):
tens of thousands of dollars or more, spending four years
of your life during the most formative years of your youth,
in pursuit of a piece of paper that companies increasingly
don't care about. They want to know, do have skills,
can you do the work? Do you have a portfolio?
What is the point of going to a higher education
institution given all those risks in the age of AI

(01:12:50):
in a changing economy, these are the questions that I
think young people. I don't think the polling data suggests
young people are increasingly skeptical about the value of a
college degree, and so unless there is a radical change
and huge reform in this area, I think we're going
to see a chasm open up of young people increasingly
opting out of that system and pursuing alternatives I talked

(01:13:13):
about in the article. You know, Mike row is promoting
trade schools, or we have a program called Praxis that
helps young people get a job without a college degree.
I think those alternatives and many more like them, are
going to be far more pursued in the future as
young people realize the juice may not be worth the squeeze.

Speaker 1 (01:13:29):
You know, and what you're tracking, I think I'm seeing
signs of it. I mean, Ford Motor Company just announced
they're looking for starting wages of over one hundred thousand
dollars for diesel mechanics that they're aggressively looking for. I
think there's an emergence of the trades. I think that
there's on shoring that we're told is happening. Do you
see maybe that c shift with our emerging young workforce

(01:13:52):
into the trades, into the well paying jobs that are
in home building, electricians, plumbers, diesel mechanics. Is that a
movement or is that just my wishful thinking.

Speaker 6 (01:14:04):
Well, it is a movement. There has actually been an
uptake in the trades.

Speaker 12 (01:14:08):
Now.

Speaker 6 (01:14:09):
Everyone's concerned about AI cutting out the bottom rungs of
the ladder for the knowledge economy, right the laptop class,
the marketing departments and so forth. But then the next
thing coming is robotics. When everyone has an optimist robot
helping them do all their chores. Do we need people
in the trades if you can have plumbers and construction
workers that are robots doing it cheaper, better, faster. And

(01:14:29):
so we're going to be going through an economic upheaval
in the decades to come. And the question is for
our kids, our grandkids, do we have them just pursue
the traditional path and go down the conveyor belt, expecting
things will be all right. Or do we take stock
and say, okay, hang on, what are the skills? What
are the soft skills? What are the mindsets that are
going to best help these young people be resilient in

(01:14:50):
a much different economy. I don't think our higher education
institutions are ready for that discussion, but increasingly families are
asking these questions and trying to figure out for them
what is the right path forward.

Speaker 2 (01:15:01):
Connor boy, I'm joining us on our newsmaker line.

Speaker 6 (01:15:04):
Greg.

Speaker 2 (01:15:04):
On top of that, this I don't know if you
saw this today, but there is a new Gallup survey
out and it shows about forty percent of US women
ages eighteen to twenty nine want to move permanently and
would move permanently to another country if they could.

Speaker 1 (01:15:20):
Bye bye. No. I shouldn't be so rude, now, I why? Well,
because they don't know. I honestly think if anyone's done
any traveling, you don't know what you don't know, and
you hear these stories, and if you've gone to higher right,
it's a probably you know it's just a propaganda machine.
But if you travel overseas, you quickly realize how lucky
we are to live in this country. I mean it's

(01:15:42):
not even close. Yeah, I really don't. I don't believe
it's close. I think that you become even the small
things that you never really knew where we were pretty
lucky to enjoy. You start to realize pretty quickly when
you leave the United States. So when you see those polls,
I cannot believe that the percentage of people saying that
have really lived or spend any time out of the

(01:16:02):
United States to say that they would be willing to.

Speaker 2 (01:16:04):
Move, the number of young men who would do that
drastically lower.

Speaker 5 (01:16:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:16:09):
Yeah, young guys staying around I mean naive. No, maybe
that's you know, there are some beautiful places to visit,
and you have and I am. We've been there, but
I wouldn't want to stay there.

Speaker 1 (01:16:19):
No, I mean it's the greatest, greatest, Uh. If you
want to know whether this is the land of the free,
your home of the brave, travel and you'll you'll get
The happiest moment will be when those wheels touched down
in the United States again. You'll be so happy to
be home. You don't not that you didn't like whereeves.

Speaker 2 (01:16:35):
It's fun to go travel, but to relocate or.

Speaker 1 (01:16:37):
Not live in the United States. I don't think they
know what they're signing up for.

Speaker 2 (01:16:41):
More coming up on the Rod and Greg Show and
Talk Radio one oh five nine, Okay, and arrest inviting
Trump people to join her party. Yeah, all you socialists
Trump people, come on in, Come on in. Well, Tim Burchett,
you know, Tim Burchett is a congressman from Tennessee.

Speaker 1 (01:16:56):
Apparently of him, I don't know, not like I know
Phil Micholson, who liked my post, and so I don't
we're not I'm not tight with like him with like
I am with PHILMK.

Speaker 12 (01:17:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:17:05):
Well, Birchett was on I believe it was CNN, and
he talked about a brief exchange he had with AOC
after the voting Congress last night. What he had to say.

Speaker 16 (01:17:14):
I don't know what it is about these men up
here that are afraid of strong, strong women.

Speaker 5 (01:17:19):
My mama was a strong woman.

Speaker 16 (01:17:20):
I'm married to a very strong woman. I'm my chief
of staff in Knoxville and here in Washington, DC. Are
strong women in AOC I think will take him on.
I think I talked to her tonight and I you know,
she'll announced tomorrow. If she announced tomorrow, she'd race ten
million dollars over the weekend. They'd be throwing money at
her as fast as she'd be record amounts because people
are sick of Chuck Schumer and sick of him.

Speaker 10 (01:17:41):
When you talked to her tonight about you talked about running,
what did she say?

Speaker 16 (01:17:46):
She smiled and smiled and said, thank you, Burchett. I mean,
you know, she is my friendly neighborhood Marxist.

Speaker 2 (01:17:52):
My friendly neighborhood marx You know he said something there
that's true.

Speaker 1 (01:17:56):
I do believe that there are people that are intimidated by,
or don't know how to deal with, strong women. I
was raised by strong women. I think single moms are
inherently as strong as you get. And my grandmother was strong.
My mother was strong. My wife is her grandmother, and
my mother in law are very strong willed women. You're
surrounded by strong yeah, and my daughter and oh gosh,

(01:18:16):
she bosses tries to boss me around. She forgets who's
in charge. She always tries to boss me.

Speaker 2 (01:18:21):
Well, she she helps you think you're in charge. Yeah,
that's what you don't understand. And your wife, queen, allow
you to think you're in charge.

Speaker 1 (01:18:34):
I don't feel that charge with someone. No, but I'm
running things with SOF my daughter can't get away with
the pit she tries, but I'm still in charge, sof
she doesn't listen.

Speaker 2 (01:18:43):
But by the way, that out there a little more
chicken genius from Chick fil A. Yeah, they're about to
introduce chicken and waffle sandwich. So are you telling me
that Chick fil a you can order chicken or chicken?

Speaker 5 (01:18:56):
Right?

Speaker 2 (01:18:57):
Okay, okay, okay. So I don't get the menu right.

Speaker 1 (01:19:00):
So they've come up with a new menu item that's chicken.

Speaker 2 (01:19:03):
Okay, but it's a Sunday It's called chicken and waffles.
It's a very popular dish down Southka. But chicken and
waffles will be like mistake. We're talking chicken, yes, chicken, well,
I think. Oh, by the way, who's that judge we
need to remember Diana Gibson.

Speaker 1 (01:19:19):
Diana Gibson, not Debbie Gibson from the eighties, Diana Diana Gibson.

Speaker 2 (01:19:24):
That does it for us tonight, head up, shoulders back.
May God bless you and your family and this wonderful
country of ours. We'll talk to you tomorrow.

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