The Rod and Greg Show: Controversy Over New Lehi City Park; Young Americans Rejecting Traditional News

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Well, how are you, everybuddy. Welcome to the Rod and
Greg Show right here on Utah's Talk Radio one o
five nine k n RS, live everywhere on the iHeart
Radio app. We used to call this Wingman Wednesday. Now
it's just then.

Speaker 2 (00:12):
And by the way, I would like a little audience feedback,
just ever so slightly, just to text her an email
to the do you miss wing the wing Man Wednesday?
Because I get I get told that they want to.
They missed the music, they missed the Top Gun music,
they missed they missed the theme of being a wing
man because it is a Wingman weekday.

Speaker 1 (00:31):
Speaking of that, I was going through the channels last night,
stumbled on to the end of Top Gun Maverick, and
then watched the beginning of The Old One.

Speaker 3 (00:37):
Yeah man, Yeah, I just.

Speaker 1 (00:38):
Talk about guy movies such are the ultimate guy move.

Speaker 3 (00:42):
How about that?

Speaker 2 (00:43):
Hollywood still can't figure it out. They think, you know,
going to movie theaters. It's really changing. It didn't when
you brought out Maverick. Everybody came back. It's just she
haven't put anything out decent before Maverick or after Mapp.

Speaker 1 (00:53):
I haven't seen much since then. It's great to be
with you. We've got a beautiful afternoon. We've got a
jam Pack show again today today unveiling her economic plan.

Speaker 3 (01:02):
Hang on, folks, and guess what it includes.

Speaker 1 (01:06):
On tips?

Speaker 2 (01:07):
A cut and paste of either Biden's previous positions or Trumps.

Speaker 3 (01:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:12):
Yeah, we'll talk about that. We'll talk about why young
Americans are rejecting traditional news.

Speaker 3 (01:21):
Yes, it's I have.

Speaker 2 (01:23):
It's one of my abiding face, Like I believe that
we can survive this. The Republic will survive all of
this because of our young LANs. We're starting to smell
somethings up a.

Speaker 1 (01:35):
Little bit later on in the show, What on earth
is going down in Lehigh with this brand new park? Yeah,
people are really happy with this.

Speaker 3 (01:43):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:43):
I don't like going to parks, so I never know.
They could have they could have put you know, soldiers
with guns at the doors, like you.

Speaker 3 (01:51):
No, I got to go.

Speaker 2 (01:51):
I don't know. The park is very just hang out
with strangers.

Speaker 3 (01:55):
You don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:56):
Why do you want to do that? Why do you
want I don't want to do that. Kids love parts, Yeah,
the kids do. Take your kids to parts when they
were young. No, but my eyes, when I was a
little kid, I loved you.

Speaker 3 (02:08):
But back then, by the way they used to have.

Speaker 2 (02:09):
They'd put a plane, okay, like an old plane, and
they just plump it there. There'd be sharp edges everything.
You just crawl all over it.

Speaker 3 (02:16):
They put a tank, we'd have a tank in there.

Speaker 1 (02:18):
Well, they've done away with some of the stuff. You
and I used to do it. What was that that
thing that went round red fast? And you have so
many awesome memories for dear life. You start spinning that
fast that there would be people could hang on. That
was fun and by design.

Speaker 2 (02:32):
And that would just keep do it anymore. Sea saws too,
Sea saw were great. You you get on the wrong
side of a seesaw and you're gonna feel it. You know,
that's gone. You don't have that anymore.

Speaker 1 (02:44):
You don't have that anymore. Yeah, too bad. We'll talk
about that. We'll also talk about Uh, if you think
the story in Springfield, Ohio is just uh, you know,
locally focused, focused on just one community in America, you
are so wrong. Yeah, and we'll talk about that as well. Oh,
We've got a lot to get to today. Great to
be with you on the Rod and Greg Show on
This Wingman Wednesday, and you talk Radio one. Oh, five nine,

(03:08):
Kay n rs if you want to be a part
of the program eighty eight eight five seven eight zero
one zero eighty eight eight five seven o eight zero
one zero, or on your cell phone to al pound
two fifty and say, hey, Rod, Hey, guess what Kamala
is sending down to do another interview tonight. It's already done.

Speaker 2 (03:23):
Ah yeah, this isn't an interview.

Speaker 3 (03:28):
This is a campaign piece.

Speaker 2 (03:29):
This is a person who's already disclosed that they have
no interest in asking her a single question. This, this
so called reporter has already tipped her hand on a
was it Bill maher or something?

Speaker 3 (03:39):
Ye said.

Speaker 2 (03:40):
I don't need to know one thing about her. She's
not Donald Trump. That's all I need to know. She
has revealed her absolute just rock ribbed bias in this.
Now she's going to interview the candidate.

Speaker 1 (03:51):
Come on, now, we're talking about a woman named Stephanie Rule.
She has her own show on MSNBC, and kamalas sat
down with her today. I want to go back to
what Greg was saying, because over the weekend she was
on Bill Marshaw along with Brett Stevens, who's a journalist
at The New York Times. Conservative so to speak, or
so he claims, and they got into a discussion about
why Kamala doesn't explain her positions. Listen back to this.

Speaker 4 (04:15):
It's not too much to ask Kamala say, are you
for a Palestinian state if Hamas is going to run
that state?

Speaker 5 (04:22):
Okay?

Speaker 4 (04:22):
Yes or no?

Speaker 6 (04:23):
And let's say you don't like her answer. Are you
going to vote for Donald Trump? No, I'm not running
for perfect.

Speaker 3 (04:31):
She's running against Trump.

Speaker 6 (04:33):
We have two choices, and so there are some things
you might not know her answer to. And in twenty
twenty four, unlike twenty sixteen, for a lot of the
American people, we know exactly what Trump will do, who
he is, and the kind of threat he is to democracy.

Speaker 7 (04:49):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (04:49):
It's unfeasy how ye could be.

Speaker 7 (04:53):
And one the problem that.

Speaker 4 (04:55):
A lot of people have with Kamala is we don't
know her answer.

Speaker 6 (04:59):
To okay, answer to everything.

Speaker 4 (05:03):
And that's why I would never vote for him, and
people should vote for him. But people also are expected
to have some idea of what the program is of
the person you're supposed to vote for. You're just not
supposed to say, well, you have to vote for why
because X is this that.

Speaker 3 (05:17):
And the other.

Speaker 4 (05:17):
Let's find out a little bit more. And I don't
think it's a lot to ask her to sit down
for a real interview as opposed to a puff case
in which she describes like her.

Speaker 3 (05:27):
Her feelings of growing up and opening the nice lass.

Speaker 1 (05:30):
Well, that's exactly what she's getting today from Stephanie Rule,
a puff interview.

Speaker 2 (05:34):
Yet again, if you, if you can comprehend it, of
the two people in that exchange, who gets to interview her,
It's not the one demanding some serious answers. It's the
one saying she doesn't have to give a single answer.
That's the one interviewing her. What kind of interview? This
won't even be an interview. This is going to be
a promotion of this candidate with as little detail as

(05:54):
humanly possible, because she's already said it in this in
that exchange, she does not care, she doesn't have. All
she needs to know personally and probably and professionally is
that she's not Donald Trump. So every everything in this
so called interview will be about what Donald Trump would
do to this country.

Speaker 3 (06:10):
That's it, That's all it is.

Speaker 1 (06:11):
I've got another story that will You may need a
barf bag.

Speaker 8 (06:14):
For this one.

Speaker 1 (06:15):
Ready for this one? Maybe Joe Biden showed up on
the View today. It was a love fest with the
ladies of the View. Do you know what they compared
him to you ready for the imagine the Beatles. The
love that they have for Joe is like the love
that they have for the Beatles. And that's what he
did to America.

Speaker 3 (06:33):
So why you run again?

Speaker 1 (06:36):
He's run out of love.

Speaker 3 (06:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (06:38):
I think they all ganged up on him, kicked him out,
and now they're patting him on the top of the head.
And you're a good boy, look, Rubb one hundred years
or you're such a nice guy.

Speaker 1 (06:46):
Yeah, you know, the patronizing this I have never seen.
This is a Hollywood movie. Someone who's going to make
a movie about the making of Kamala Harris. And you
know that's exactly what's going on to a.

Speaker 2 (06:57):
Terrible script because it'll be like this is science fiction,
This isn't really. This is the dumbest script ever, because
nothing this stupid could ever happen in real life, except
it is happening.

Speaker 1 (07:07):
You know, it's just you just you just hope. Gg
the core of your being is hoping that the American
people see.

Speaker 3 (07:16):
What what time we have because I got some tells
you don't even know about.

Speaker 2 (07:21):
I've picked up on some trends out there. I've been
scanning the I've been scanning the country. I'm seeing a
couple of tails out there. The people on yes, the
tale in on them, no good tells, good good tells
that the people are starting to sniff this out really
in places that have not done it in the past.
I got, I got my people out there looking, I

(07:42):
got I'm here to report. I've got some tells out there.
I want to do it now because we're running towards
the end of the break. So but when we we
got to go to it because I'm telling you, I'm
finding some evidence out there that people are rejecting this
scam of a race of hers, that this you know,
I de facto get to be president because I've got
you to hate and fear the other guy.

Speaker 1 (08:00):
Did you figure this out all by yourself?

Speaker 2 (08:02):
It's my research, your research. I had researched this.

Speaker 1 (08:06):
All right, all right, we'll have more coming up with
the Rod and Greg Show right here. On Utah's Talk
Radio one O five nine. K and R asked big
questions about what's going on with young people in this election,
and what we're finding out is that young Americans are now,
you know, kind of rejecting traditional news and going elsewhere
to get their information. Let's dig into that story right now.

(08:27):
Joining us on our any Hour Newsmaker line is Frank Meelee.
Frank is a columnist at Real Clear Politics. Always great
to have Frank on the show. Frank, how are you
welcome to the Rod and Greg Show.

Speaker 7 (08:37):
Hi and Greg, Hello, Frank.

Speaker 1 (08:41):
Let's talk about young Americans rejecting traditional media sources out there?
What are you starting to see? Frank?

Speaker 7 (08:49):
Well, what got me on the topic was, uh, I,
you know, being a longtime journalist, I've kind of held
in disdain the idea that young people get all their
information from the Internet. And you know, I hold my
nose up and I going, why don't they read newspapers
or you know, read the New York Times, or you know,

(09:10):
study all of the news channels or whatever. So that's
my background. And then sometime in the last month or two, Uh,
I switched my Rocoup and the new Rocoup to get
to YouTube TV. I had to stop first at YouTube
on the internet. Okay, so I generally don't use YouTube.

(09:34):
I just kind of ignore it. And I got to
this point where I never made it to YouTube TV
to watch box News and MSNBC and CNM because when
I got the first thing I would see, when I'd
get to YouTube, I'd be like, oh, I got to
click on that. I've got to find out what's going on.

Speaker 8 (09:50):
Uh.

Speaker 7 (09:50):
And so I got you know, I found all these
news sources on social media, which I had been making
fun of for years, and so I sat down I
was going to write a column about, you know, how
the social media actually is a great source of information.
And then I went to do a little research and
I found out that just in the last month less

(10:13):
than that, in the last few weeks to research had
done a survey of how young people get news. And
so I took a look at that and I was like, oh,
this is perfect, because you know, almost overwhelming majority of
young people are getting their prefer to get their news

(10:35):
from the internet, okay, from digital devices, and that's like
eighty six percent and only you know, three percent before
newspapers my old you know, bailiwick. And so I'm like, well,
you know, that's interesting because I'm getting I'm starting to
get the feel for why they do. And then I'm like, Okay,

(10:58):
you can dismiss the fact that they prefer to get
their news from digital media because maybe that's all they're
used to, maybe that's all they see. And then the
next little part of the survey by Pew Research that
I read was that although they prefer to get their
news from digital devices, a large percent, like over almost

(11:18):
fifty percent do get their news from TV as well,
twenty seven percent from radio, eighteen percent from newspapers. So,
all of a sudden, these are not just ignorant teenagers
who don't know any better. They're actually people who have
studied the media and come up with the conclusion on
their own that social media and the other aspects of

(11:40):
the Internet are actually better at providing news and providing
it straight. And you know, it all came together with
the fact that this idiotic ABC debate came along in
the middle of all my research, and it was like,
you know, the young people must know, oh that it's cooked,

(12:02):
it's rigged, and you can't trust it, and so they're
looking around for what news can I trust?

Speaker 2 (12:08):
So Frank, you can, yeah, go so I So my
focus group would be my young kids twenty five twenty
two and going to be twenty one. So they're they're young,
you know, they're young adults, and they're they're heading into
life and they're this is what you've described is how
they get their news. They get their news digitally. They're online.
But it's not just a news source by itself on

(12:31):
YouTube or things. It's also podcasts. It's also comedians, where
in the mainstream nothing's funny anymore and everything's canceled and
you're not allowed to talk. There are people that are
finding humor. But they also these comedians like history and
they point things out and and so there's a there's
a narrative that's going on, even like a barstool sports
which has nothing to do with politics, but it will

(12:51):
delve into the politics of the day. I do think
it's what you're saying is exactly right. Our young people
are starting to get a lot of different voices and
opinions that they didn't get. They're not getting through to
what I call the regime media. Are you seeing anything
that beyond news for news sake? Our young people are
starting to understand what's happening by way of current events

(13:12):
from other sources, maybe the podcast, maybe just other areas
of information that they're gathering.

Speaker 7 (13:19):
Well, certainly podcasts.

Speaker 5 (13:21):
I mean I.

Speaker 7 (13:23):
Consider that the largest part of how I get news
now from from the new media. And yes, I mean,
I mean it's basically almost everything you see on social
media is like a hybrid. It is humor, It is
in your face, you know, sarcasm, and you know the

(13:47):
people who are just willing to take a chance, kind
of like Trump, people who say what they think and
they don't have to answer to anybody, and you know,
check with anybody. Can I say this on TV? They've
got this freedom, and I think that freedom is a
large part of what makes it exciting.

Speaker 1 (14:04):
Let me ask you this, Frank, I was thinking about
this was one of the forerunners into this, and there's
still traditional TV. John Stewart in the Daily News, who
used to make fun of the news and be sarcastic
and drop f bombs something that never been done before.
Was Is it fair to say that may have been
the start of this or an early early trip right?

Speaker 7 (14:24):
Uh? I didn't watch John Stewart. I'd have looked down
my nose at him too, but but absolutely he he
was kind of the forerunner of a lot of this
and uh, I think probably probably should take a bow
right now. The one that I'm really fascinated by is
Megan Kelly, who yeah on Fox, and she she she

(14:47):
had she had a run over on one of the
networks before she got fired, and then she she's just like, well,
I'm smart, I'm beautiful, I can you know, do this
on my own. People will tune in and watch me,
and with millions of people doing then watch her and
she is so witty and insightful and just takes no

(15:08):
prisoners and you know, to me, she's she's like the
model for what you what you can do. But there's
so many different kinds of I've watched you you a
you know, a traditional journalist who's got his podcast, and uh,
I watch people. You know, there's Benny Johnson and uh
Dave Rubin. They were in the news because you know,

(15:30):
they got hooked into selling the rights to their podcast
to a group that apparently had Russian backing, and so
you know it's like, oh, well, we can't watch them,
but you know, they made a mistake whatever. But I've
been watching them since then and they give good information.

(15:51):
So I'm perfectly willing to watch that. And I know
they're desperate to make money because you know, you've got
to have a few millions in your pocket, right for sure?
How much money the internet actually provides, it's like it's
like a whole new economy, uh, for for these people
it is.

Speaker 1 (16:09):
Frank is always great, chatty with you, Thanks for your time,
and enjoy the rest of the day.

Speaker 3 (16:14):
All right, take care, Hey, thank you.

Speaker 1 (16:16):
That's Frank meelee. He is with a real clear politics starting.
And you have an example in your home. Where do
your children get their news?

Speaker 3 (16:22):
Yeah, it's online, it's watch it's.

Speaker 1 (16:24):
On their phone, podcast, you name it.

Speaker 2 (16:27):
Nothing I love more than a funny comedian who actually
has a real interest in history and can kind of
tie the irony and he finds comedy and some of
the things that people say about Israel's well maybe you
haven't realized, but forever it's been this way. And so
there's just some some unique discussions going on online and
with substante content that young people are picking up on.

(16:47):
So then when you tune into ABC and you watch
this if you if they did, it looks like it's
a it's a clown show. It doesn't there's nothing substant.

Speaker 1 (16:55):
Yeah, well you you made a point like what was
the Dave Portnoy Show, And and that's where they're because
they've taken those shows and they're now discussing news of
the day and they say whatever they want and however
they want to say it, and people are listening.

Speaker 2 (17:09):
And you know why, Rod, because they try to cancel
those guys. Yeah, you know when they try to cancel
when that politics comes into their world, they they are
going to call it for what it is and it
gets them into the current events and that we're in.
And I think that the kids, young people buy and
large are listening to that and learning in real time.

Speaker 1 (17:27):
Boy, they sure are. All right, We got more coming
up jam pack show for you today here on the
Rod and Greg Show and Utah's Talk Radio one oh
five nine. Can arrest couple of interesting ones coming out today,
and you've got some information on this one out of
the University of Notre Dame is fascinating.

Speaker 2 (17:41):
So, folks, we've talked about this on the program, but
in our last interview, this gen z are younger people.

Speaker 3 (17:47):
They're not.

Speaker 2 (17:48):
They are not just signing up blindly as Democrats. You know,
it used to be said if you if you're young
and you weren't and you were conservative, you didn't have
a heart. If you were old and you weren't conservative,
then you didn't have a brain. Well, if you're young,
you still have some common sense. It looks like because
they are just rejecting. I mean, I've got so Anyway,
Notre Dame polls at students every day every presidential year,

(18:12):
So who do you like?

Speaker 7 (18:13):
So?

Speaker 2 (18:14):
And I wasn't aware of this, but so when Hillary
Clinton was run against Trump, Hillary did very well amongst
the Notre Dame students. She received fifty nine percent of
the students that voted her support for her, and only
twenty four percent of the students said they supported Trump.
So then Joe Biden comes along. Joe, good Catholic guy, right,
he gets sixty seven percent. Remember Hillary only got fifty

(18:36):
nine and Trump goes from twenty four percent, it goes
up to twenty nine percent. So they did it again today,
ran this poll amongst their students between September fifteenth and eighteenth.
Trump ahead, Trump forty eight, Harris forty six. Look from
twenty nine percent to forty eight percent of the student
body now support Donald Trump on that campus. That looks

(18:59):
just like what you're seeing happening at Arizona State University today.
There is a mass voter get out the vote voter
registration for Republicans and for Trump, and the students are
coming out in masters thousands of students on campus right now.
I've seen the tweet. I'm watching the video right here.
You've got so many young people wearing Make America Great

(19:20):
hats again, and they are stoked, and they're saying, look,
we've never seen this kind of energy on our campus before.
So where we used to relegate the campus and the
young people and the hippies for the Democrats, I'm telling you,
young people are going, I don't know this whole thing
going on over there. Yeah, that's not We're not signing
up for that. We're going with Trump and we're going
through Republicans.

Speaker 1 (19:39):
Well, if you think of the University of Notreed to Dame,
located in South Bend, Indiana, a Midwestern school, now, I
would imagine they get people, you know, students from all
over the country. But my guess is greg a majority
of them would come from the Midwest. Maybe I'm wrong
on that, or the you know, Middle America, and this
is what they think. That's fascinating. How it's turned around

(20:01):
from twenty sixteen when they were really in for Hillary,
and then twenty twenty makes sense, you know, Joe Biden, Catholic,
Catholic school. Okay, kind of makes a little sense. But
this one I find fascinating that they're leaning more toward
Donald Trump.

Speaker 2 (20:14):
Well, I'll tell you there is a battle in the
media doesn't want to report it, but there is a
battle within this Republican Party in terms of what they are,
what their identity is, and that identity is actually telling men,
young men, older men, white men especially, yeah, get out
and they know this. So I'm looking at a poll
here that since twenty sixteen, they've gone from fifty one
percent of men said that were polled ages percentage of

(20:37):
young men ages eighteen to twenty nine who said they
were a Democrat. In twenty sixteen, fifty one percent in
that demographic said they were democraty were Democrat. That's down
to thirty nine percent. If you saw the bar chart here,
it's going straight down. And the reason is because they
don't want you to be a man. They want you
to they don't even want you to know what a
woman is. They certainly don't want you a man. To

(20:58):
come forward and be a man. It's it's it's called
toxic masculinity.

Speaker 1 (21:03):
Well, I've never seen an election like this. There is
a real gender gap right now. I mean, there's no
doubt the men are going for Donald Trump. White men,
black men, Hispanic men are looking at Donald Trump. And
she is trying to get the women and as much
of the minority vote as she possibly can. But I
tell you what, this is a gender gap election and

(21:24):
that's going to be interesting to follow.

Speaker 2 (21:25):
All the women in my life are smart and their
voting for Trump. So I don't know what these ladies
are thinking. But here's the thing they had, Jim, I
can't even put this on. But James Carvell's trying to
work with Harris's campaign and they're they're these young you know,
I imagine snowflake campaign staffers.

Speaker 1 (21:41):
We can we can't say what.

Speaker 3 (21:44):
But they try to.

Speaker 2 (21:44):
Show him what they're what they're putting together by way
of social media media videos to appeal to the white
male voters, and Carvil loses his mind. He just attacks
both of them, says they don't know what they're talking about.
Take their take their stuff and their camel hatt and
put where the sun doesn't.

Speaker 3 (22:00):
Shine, he's he he.

Speaker 2 (22:03):
Is losing his mind. And so what why do we
know this? Because those snowflakes told on him. I'm telling,
I'm telling you were rude to me. I'm telling, so, Carlos.

Speaker 3 (22:13):
You are chasing away every real man out of this party,
and this video is going to do it worse. Get
out of here.

Speaker 2 (22:18):
And they're so offended that he was rude to them,
and he's going, which is so unmanly. It proves James
Carlo's point.

Speaker 1 (22:27):
We didn't bring this up. I saw this story a
couple of weeks ago that gen zers have a tough
time working for tough bosses.

Speaker 3 (22:34):
Yeah, they bear. Get over it.

Speaker 1 (22:35):
Well, I hope you never you never know. All Right,
more coming up, it is rodding Greg with you on
this uh Wednesday afternoon right here on Utah's Talk Radio
one oh five nine. Can arrests coming up in the
five o'clock hour. We'll talk more about what's going on
at that park in Lehigh really stirred things up down there.
We'll get into that as well. You're probably we've.

Speaker 3 (22:54):
Just lost Rod. No, he just went off the cliff.

Speaker 1 (22:56):
Let me explain. In her speech on the economy today,
she said prices are too high.

Speaker 3 (23:02):
Yes, so right, imagine.

Speaker 1 (23:04):
That that's that's what's true.

Speaker 2 (23:06):
But that is a departure from her saying Bidenomics is working, folks. Yes,
if you don't understand it, then you must have money dysmorphia.

Speaker 1 (23:12):
Well now she's saying prices are just too high and
we've got to do something about it.

Speaker 2 (23:19):
Well what, yeah, but well you kind of did something
about it to get us here.

Speaker 1 (23:24):
Well that's Trump. Trump keeps on saying, hey, you admit it,
but why have you done anything about it? Because they
what what she has done in approving these massive federal
expend spending bills like the what was it, the Inflation
Reduction Act?

Speaker 2 (23:39):
Isn't that the greatest irony in the world? To Inflation
Reduction Act? Has added to the cost of everything exponentially
and they call it that.

Speaker 3 (23:47):
I mean, yeah, you can't.

Speaker 1 (23:49):
The pandemic bailout thing, that was another mistake. I mean
what her and her the center was what fifty to
fifty she had She was a tiebreaker on both of
those major federal spending I think.

Speaker 2 (24:00):
She's been the tie breaking vot as the vice president.
I think it's historical in terms of how many fifty
to fifty votes, she's had to come and preside in
the Senate and break the deadlock for and none of
the And just know this, if she's walking into the
floor of the Senate, it's not good for us.

Speaker 3 (24:15):
Her vote is not coming our way.

Speaker 2 (24:16):
It is going straight against us, and interest in American
people should That's what kills me is that she runs
like she's like she's a challenger, having never been on
the job. And not only has she been vice president,
which isn't historically the most impactful job, but as the
president of the Senate, where you're breaking that tie and
voting as often as she did, she actually has more

(24:37):
influence there, has had more influence as a vice president
than vice presidential vice presidents have in the past.

Speaker 1 (24:42):
Well, and like you said, Greg, the progressives in the
Senate knew that if they could get into fifty, she
was there with them every single way. Now she says
she's going to chase She's flip flopped on a lot
of this stuff.

Speaker 2 (24:56):
I just love that Liberal Axios doesn't trust her, like
Liberal Axios just hammers her because she will not she
will not express her liberal bona fides to them.

Speaker 3 (25:05):
They do. They go crazy.

Speaker 2 (25:06):
They always go after her, and they're not playing along
winking and nodding. They're saying, you better just tell us
right now that you're leftist, left of center. We want
to hear it, and she won't do it.

Speaker 1 (25:16):
Yeah. Well, she said in her prior career of not
telling the truth, that prostitution should be legal in this country.

Speaker 2 (25:23):
Well found talent, deportation up up with prostitution. Yeah, prostitutions.

Speaker 1 (25:29):
She's now backing away from that too. Greg, she's not
comment and if prostitution should be legal in me, she's
not commony.

Speaker 2 (25:35):
We're down to if she just doesn't say anything, we
assume that she's moved, you know, she's pivoted because she
just won't give us any information.

Speaker 1 (25:42):
Well, she's going to be heading to the border in
a few days. And Frank Lunz, who used to be
a you know, one of the number counters for Fox News,
now all over on CNN. He had some advice for
Kamla Trump about going to the border.

Speaker 9 (25:55):
I actually would have advised against it. That her time
to have gone to the border was last year or
the year before that. And now it only highlights the
fact that she hasn't really focused on this issue, even
though she had some we can't determine what the actual
responsibility was that she had in the administration because it's
been moddied. But this is an area that Donald Trump

(26:17):
can say, just look at the numbers, look at the
immigration statistics, look at the illegal immigration that took place
under his administration and under the Biden Harris administration.

Speaker 1 (26:30):
It's right. I think this move of her going to
the border is very stupid. I agree with Frank Lets
because she'll be there and everybody is going to be
talking about what's going on on the border, and that
is an issue that is she is so weak on
greg that. I mean, it's just going to highlight that's been.

Speaker 2 (26:47):
She expects this cooperating media to say when she goes
on that border, Look, she's serious about it. She's ready
to shut it all down. And if not for the
Republicans that blocked the great bill that we had the
past and blocked that, we would have already started. That
bill allowed what one point eight million illegals in like
as a matter of law, it was giving money to

(27:07):
NGOs to ship them everywhere. It was it was enough
not doing nothing on border patrol, nothing.

Speaker 3 (27:12):
So that bill was a bad bill.

Speaker 1 (27:14):
That sure was. All right, more coming up more. I'm
talking about what's going on in Lehigh and the debate
over the public park that's coming down next. Stay with us.

Speaker 2 (27:25):
I had someone say to me once I listened in
the car, but I don't have like a radio in
the kitchen anymore.

Speaker 3 (27:30):
I don't do that. What we'll get the app?

Speaker 1 (27:32):
Well, get a radio, yeah, get a.

Speaker 3 (27:34):
Radio or get the app.

Speaker 2 (27:35):
I think everybody has the phone, so the phone or tablet,
get the app and you can listen anytime.

Speaker 1 (27:39):
All right. Now, before we talked to about what's going
on in Lehigh, did you see that video of the
the governor. Yes, crowdsurfing at the at the gala on
Monday night.

Speaker 3 (27:51):
Nothing like it.

Speaker 2 (27:52):
A bunch of old people trying to look trying to
be trying to be all hipsters and crowdsurfing at a
at a stuffy fundraiser.

Speaker 1 (28:00):
That be weird to put your hand on the governor's.

Speaker 3 (28:01):
But you know, I had not thought of that. I
had not really gone there in my mind that you.

Speaker 2 (28:11):
Yeah, now that's that's even a worse. Now, yeah, that's
even worse if you don't know what.

Speaker 1 (28:16):
Crowdsurfing is is when they lift somebody up and they
pass them down in on that.

Speaker 2 (28:20):
I've seen college kids do this. I've seen this the
young wings. I've seen the young wings doing this. I'm
a grown man.

Speaker 3 (28:30):
I never do that.

Speaker 1 (28:31):
I couldn't pick me up.

Speaker 2 (28:31):
Look, I don't even I don't even ride bicycles because
I'm a grown man. Okay, since I've had a driver's license,
I don't get on bicycles. Okay, Well, I have a
great mars. He's like, Hughes, let's go mountain biking. I'm like, no,
I'm not getting on a bicycle and riding in the
woods with you.

Speaker 3 (28:47):
No, I'm an adult.

Speaker 1 (28:48):
I have a bike. Sorry for you, I have bike.

Speaker 3 (28:51):
I don't care.

Speaker 2 (28:52):
I don't ride by bike since I because I'm a
grown man, I don't ride bicycles.

Speaker 3 (28:56):
I drive cars. You want to ride a.

Speaker 2 (28:57):
Dirt bike, great, it's gotta have a motor on it
when we put some You want to put a baseball
card in there and let it click when the spokes
hit it?

Speaker 3 (29:04):
You ready to do that too?

Speaker 1 (29:05):
Yeah? God, that video though, of the good.

Speaker 3 (29:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (29:09):
The point is, if I'm not going to ride a bicycle,
I'm sure crowds.

Speaker 3 (29:13):
Crowds it's just weird.

Speaker 1 (29:15):
Yeah, all right, Now, uh city council down in Lehigh
held a meeting last night. Apparently, Greg, there's a lot
of debate over a brand new park that the city
spent a lot of money on, seventeen million dollars for
a park. Yeah, you know, I don't know park budgets,
but that seems very expensive.

Speaker 2 (29:33):
To me, get an old retired tank and put it
in there. Let the kids crawl over it. There be
in heaven, That's how he did it.

Speaker 1 (29:40):
But apparently there, you know, the the the city is
being called out because the park now is closed on Sunday. Okay,
and this past Sunday, apparently some people wanted to get
into the park, took the you know, the hinges off
and opened the gate so they could get in there.
Police showed up. They arrested the people or charge him.
I don't know what they did. But again, can't there
be a there's got to be a solution to this.

Speaker 3 (30:03):
Well, I'll tell you. I'll give you a couple. I've
looked at this issue.

Speaker 2 (30:06):
First off, the people that there that were elected of
that city in Lehigh, the public servants are at their
city council meetings saying, I don't know anything about this.
Is it closed on Sunday news to us. We didn't
make that decision. That decision has yet to be made. Well,
the padlock on the door kind of you would would
tell you that they did make somebody did make that decision.
Then the guy that's ahead of the parks, he says,

(30:28):
and I would argue in a very belittling or condescending way,
if we don't tell the public exactly what they can do,
when they can do it, how they can do it,
they go crazy. Man if I had if I'm paying
taxes to a city and I heard the parks director
talk about me, my family, our community that way, that
that is it that I would call that. I would

(30:48):
call that belittling. I would say, that's not that's not
a public servants mindset. They need to have that park
open on Sundays or every day. Yeah, and it's it's
not like we're taking a park.

Speaker 3 (30:59):
Is not a new concept. This isn't new, This isn't whoa.

Speaker 2 (31:03):
You're talking about a public place with playground equipment, even
the all access playground equipment. There's actually precedent for this.
People just walk up, they play on it, it's play,
you know. And if you've got a problem of vandalism,
as they mentioned in the story, make make sure your
police are going and then you're doing rounds more often.

Speaker 1 (31:23):
Well, the the the issue that they brought up, well,
we need a we need a full time employee. They're
at the park. They want one and a half one
and a half. Can you name me one park and
not that I go to all parks by no, my grandkids,
we go to them. One park in the state that
has a full time employee keeping their eye on No.
I come on, I mean, here's here's it doesn't ring

(31:44):
true to me.

Speaker 2 (31:45):
For me when I was a public servant, now I
was in the legislature. This when you talk to a bureaucrat,
this is the this is the circular argument you have.
How we doing not well? Why we need more funding? Okay,
here's some more funding. How are we doing now well terrible?
Why we need more funding? It never ends. There's never
a you know, we could do this job with our

(32:06):
existing funds better than the way we we were doing
it before. It's always a dollar amount that needs to
be increased to do anything different than the way they're
doing it. And when you give them that dollar amount
dollars to donuts. They're going to come back and say, well,
we're having this problem. We probably need another fte a
full time employee. We need one and a half FTEs,
one full time employee, one part time employee. No, you

(32:28):
actually don't. You need to be really smart with what
you have. And when you budgeted that park. Okay, did
you budget defence? Did you budget not allowing people on it?
Is that what you did? There was some kind of
pro forma when they put this forward on how that
park would work inside that community. Do that and that
did not include you know, one and a half employees
later after you've already built it. So go back and go,

(32:51):
you know, crunch the numbers again.

Speaker 1 (32:53):
See the fence doesn't bother me. Now some people have
issues with event. I'm fine with the fence, you know,
I'm even fine if you want to during certain hours
like from ten BM or midnight to six am or so,
I'm okay with that. Now the argument they're concerned about vandalism.
They haven't had any vandalism there yet. You do have
vandalism in other parts and that's sad. I mean, you know,

(33:16):
I drive every day on eighty nine up there in
Davis County. They redid that a couple of years ago.
And you know, you've got the sound walls that are
almost for the entire and they've been tagged before, but
they've been replaced real quickly, and it's a fact of life,
unfortunately that we do have vandalism in there. Why. I mean,
I would assume that Lehigh City has a police department,

(33:38):
you know, so ask the police to drive by a
couple three times, four times every hour. I don't care
if they can just to keep an eye on things.
You don't need to hire another employee.

Speaker 2 (33:48):
And we don't have to look at it in hindsight.
If you decide to appropriate the money for a new park,
and you've decided this is what we want to do,
it shouldn't be news to you that people vandalize. How
are we going to protect we have this amount of
problems with the parks we have or this these are
our challenges. If we add to our inventory of parks
in our community, we may have people that are coming
there accommodate for it. But locking up a park all

(34:11):
day Sunday doesn't even begin to address that issue. To me, No,
I don't even know what that is. Look, and here's
the thing. I'm not a holy roller. I actually love
I wish everybody did nothing on Sundays because I would
like the golf on Sundays and I'd like a tea time.

Speaker 3 (34:24):
Okay, so I.

Speaker 2 (34:25):
Want everyone home just you know, reading the scriptures and
and do it. Stay home, be at RESTful. I consider
the day of rest playing golf, so I would have
a tea time. So I'm not I'm not, you know,
being judging about the Sunday thing. I'm saying, you know,
let the park be open. If they go the park,
they won't be on the and then you can get

(34:45):
I'm good.

Speaker 1 (34:46):
Yeah. Yeah, Well the city council heard complaints. It will
be interesting great to see what they come up with.

Speaker 3 (34:52):
Yeah. Well yeah, it's not that big of a problem.

Speaker 2 (34:56):
I'm telling you. It's just not a Ruben. But it's
not the Da Vinci code. You can open the park, folks,
just I just know this is in their ability.

Speaker 1 (35:03):
Yeah, there are simple solutions here. Like I suggested Greg,
have the police department check in on it for a
little while.

Speaker 2 (35:10):
Should have been this should have been contemplated when they're
opening a new park.

Speaker 3 (35:13):
They would have traffic.

Speaker 1 (35:15):
Should we get some calls on this, I'd like to
see what people.

Speaker 2 (35:17):
Think about Yeah, I mean, I you know, I'm I
am fully open to the collective will and opinion of
this listening audience. If I'm seeing it wrong, I'm happy
to hear it. If I'm seeing it right, I'm glad.

Speaker 1 (35:30):
That'll make you feel better. Eight five seven o eight
zero one zero eight eight eight five seven O eight
zero one zero, or on your cell phone dial pound
two fifty and say hey Rod, We're talking about the
controversy sounding or surrounding a brand new park down in Lehigh,
which apparently the city has decided to close on Sundays
for a number of reasons. There are suggesting they said

(35:50):
this is kind of temporary, so we'll see what happens
down there, but would love to get your thoughts. Eight
eight eight five seven o eight zero one zero triple
eight five seven o eight zero one zero, or on
your cell phone dial to fifty and say hey Rod.
All right, we're getting your reaction to this controversy going
down in Lehigh or under weigh in Lehigh, there was
a city council meeting last night and the city council

(36:10):
heard from some people who are very upset about a
brand new park that costs seventeen million dollars. I'm trying.
That's an expensive park.

Speaker 7 (36:17):
Greg.

Speaker 1 (36:18):
Maybe I don't know park costs anymore, but seventeen million
seems like a lot of money, am I off?

Speaker 3 (36:23):
Well't yeah, no, it's no.

Speaker 1 (36:24):
Well is that about right?

Speaker 3 (36:26):
This? This is my idea.

Speaker 2 (36:27):
Let them give you an I seventeen million, and we'll
give them one heck of a park. I'm telling you,
we could make that park so great. You get us
seventeen mils. We're going to old school. We're going seesaws,
We're doing the merry go rounds.

Speaker 1 (36:38):
I love.

Speaker 2 (36:39):
I'm gonna go get a tank. I'm gonna go put it.
There were a decommissioned tank. We're gonna PLoP it right
in the middle of that that park kitsch. A're gonna
go crazy for it. And I'll bet you we give
a couple of mil back. Yeah, it's for the trouble.

Speaker 1 (36:50):
Eight eight eight five seven eight zero one zero on
your cell phone dial pound two fifty. What say you
about what's going on down in Lehigh Let's begin in
Salem with Becky Tonight. Becky, welcome to the Rotting Red Show.

Speaker 10 (37:02):
Hi, thank you so much. I appreciate you taking my call.

Speaker 1 (37:05):
You're welcome your thoughts on this.

Speaker 10 (37:08):
I hate to say, well, I used to. My mom
used to always say something that drove me crazy. I'm
still sick and tired, and I'm going to repeat her,
which is, I'm so sick and tired of being told
what to do.

Speaker 3 (37:18):
I can't anymore.

Speaker 10 (37:20):
You driving me crazy. Actually had a woman call me
from California at my job and said, if COVID a
thing there still, who's moving here? I said no, and
she just couldn't believe, but she was just shocked. I
think through COVID, it's just made me so crazy that
there's seven days in a week. Most of us work
five days a week, so Saturday is the best day
to go, but I would say Sunday is the next

(37:42):
best day to go. The why in the world were
closing a park that we taxpayers are paying for and
taking one of our two days off away that we
could utilize the park with our family. I think it's ridiculous.

Speaker 1 (37:55):
I'm with you, Becky, and I think that's what a
lot of people are saying.

Speaker 2 (37:57):
And I think she's he's really brought it back. Wag
had such a requill when I heard that parks manager go,
if we don't tell them when to go, how to go,
what to do, when to do it, they go crazy.
Wah don't Yeah, a little bit of power. Yeah, I'll say,
let's go to Zach and Caysville. Zach, welcome to the
Ron Greg Show. What's say you about this?

Speaker 3 (38:15):
Yeah?

Speaker 11 (38:16):
Hey, thanks for having me.

Speaker 7 (38:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 11 (38:17):
So I worked for Probo Parks and Rec for two years,
and I can tell you that there are plenty of workers,
at least within Provo City. Can't say the same for
Lee High, but if it is the same, there's plenty
of workers that can kind of keep an eye on
the park.

Speaker 8 (38:31):
Where there's the mo.

Speaker 11 (38:32):
Crew, the managers over each park, they go over daily.
So needing to appropriate funds for more employment to watch
over the parks is kind of a little It's not needed.
And I think even a seventeen million park that just
kind of tells me that they misappropriated some funds. Change
decisions and that's what drove up the cost.

Speaker 3 (38:51):
I love you.

Speaker 1 (38:52):
Did you keep calling Zach? Did you have any full
time park employees sit at a park and watch it
every day? Or was it just swing by and take
a look at things. How did it work in provo
when you were to.

Speaker 11 (39:03):
Yeah, so no, it was definitely more swing by when
when you could, or every day you could. I mainly
just went to check the parks I was in charge of,
which was quite a few, to see if it needed
to be mode. But we still drove by it either
way just to check on it. So yeah, you don't
need I mean that was technically full time. I was seasonal,

(39:23):
but yeah, you have plenty of guys that are working
I can check by because some are on the way
to other parks, so you can swing by check those.
So yeah, there's just me trying to make the case
for more employment to watch over these parks is ridiculous,
and especially with it being closed on the Sunday, I
think that's ridiculous too, depending on where it's located.

Speaker 1 (39:43):
I'm with you too, Zach, it seems ridiculous.

Speaker 2 (39:45):
I learned there's a process for monitoring parks, so instead
of getting a full time employee and a part time employee,
it's like how many how many le high people would take?
There a screw in a light bulb that must take
a billion of them. Apparently, I'll tell you this, Why
don't you just cover to p I think they got it.
They got sounds like they got it worked out. They
got something, they got it, they got a system down.

Speaker 1 (40:04):
They got it figured out. All right, Let's go to
Patrick who is in Lehigh where this park is, to
get his thoughts on this. How are you welcome to
the Roden greg Show?

Speaker 8 (40:15):
Doing well, Rod Greg, Great to hear you guys, appreciate
what you're doing. Uh. This reminds me of the issue
in California when COVID nonsense came around and they filled
in all the state parks than a bureaucrat thinking that
they're more important than they are and trying to tell
people what to do is a bominable one. I'm glad

(40:40):
that happening on Sunday. The vandalism is happening overnight, and
that's why the parks closed over the Yeah, that's very true.

Speaker 1 (40:48):
Let me tell you what, if you're vandalizing on Sunday,
you are definitely going to help. Yeah, that's that's a
double You're in big trouble.

Speaker 2 (40:56):
We're gonna stop all vandalyzing by closing the park on
all day Sunday. I don't know, if that actually did it,
I don't think that was it.

Speaker 7 (41:03):
You know.

Speaker 2 (41:04):
I'm so glad that Patrick agrees that that the comments
made were as condescending as I took them. And that is,
if we don't tell them what to do and when
to do it and how to do it, then the
people they go crazy.

Speaker 1 (41:15):
Where did that come from?

Speaker 3 (41:16):
It's in the I watched it on the news report.
Really yeah, no, that's he was speaking to.

Speaker 2 (41:21):
It was a video of him speaking to the city
council about the problem because people came to the meeting
upset that the police came and people arrested on a Sunday. Well,
and what's interesting is that the city Council of the
maryor like, well, we didn't make that decision. Yeah, well
somebody did.

Speaker 1 (41:36):
Can I just say one thing about breaking the locks
or cutting the lock? Don't do that? I mean, don't
you know you just causing bigger problems than you really
need to deal with it.

Speaker 2 (41:44):
Can you imagine your luck you didn't cut the lock,
it's open, You go over there and all of a sudden,
five o's coming up and hooking up and taking it
to the clink because you're using a park on a Sunday.

Speaker 1 (41:53):
Shame on you? How dare you do that?

Speaker 7 (41:55):
All right?

Speaker 1 (41:56):
More coming up on the routing, Greg show more your
phone calls. As we talked about the park in lee
High and the problems and issues that is being created
with the decisions by a city leader. I'd love a
city leader to call it and explain, yes, why they
didn't know about this, That's what I'd like.

Speaker 3 (42:10):
And why does it.

Speaker 2 (42:11):
Take one full time employee in one part time employee
to watch a bark to deal with that park Sunday's
decision to stay open or not on a Sunday by itself?
How many employees do they have, because that seems like
it's pretty incrementalized.

Speaker 1 (42:24):
All right, if you're just joining us, we're talking right
now about what's going on in Lehigh City Council hearing
last night. They heard from some angry residents about a
brand new park there being closed on Sunday, gated up
and all that, and a lot of people are saying
it does make a whole lot of sense.

Speaker 3 (42:40):
And this is what I love.

Speaker 2 (42:40):
So we're hearing from the smartest and most insightful listening
audience and all the land, and we're going to keep
doing that. And stay with this topic right now. So
let's go to JD, who's been patiently waiting from Saratoga Springs. JD,
thank you for holding in. Thank you for waiting. What
do you say about this park and whether it should
be closed on Sundays?

Speaker 5 (43:01):
So I came from Georgia, so where everything's open on
all days of the week, and it makes common sense
to keep it open during the weekend. That's where you're
going to get the most slaw people, I mean common sense.
But obviously we know.

Speaker 1 (43:15):
This world doesn't have some.

Speaker 5 (43:17):
Yeah, why would you close it on Sunday, especially if
you're going to pay seventeen mil for it? Yeah, yeah,
it makes zero sense. I actually went by there. My
nephew was in town playing soccer right next to it.
But they can take care of those facilities, but they
can't take care of a park which you just built.
You would think that you're paying seventeen million dollars, you're

(43:40):
going to try to keep it nice and make sure
that everything's going on with it so that it can
be utilized. And it hadn't even been open a month
and you're already shutting the doors on it on a
day like shutting it down for a day like old Jadi.

Speaker 2 (43:52):
Heaven forbid families congregating to a park on a Sunday.

Speaker 3 (43:56):
That's the worst thing I've ever heard. But Georgia. You
know you're from Georgia. Isn't that it? There's no way,
God in Georgia.

Speaker 1 (44:03):
In Georgia, JD? How dare you?

Speaker 7 (44:08):
Hey?

Speaker 5 (44:08):
I had I had to leave Georgia.

Speaker 12 (44:10):
I came out here from But that's like but like thought.

Speaker 5 (44:15):
Process though, Like if we're looking outside of like the
typical American family and say divided household where mom and
dad are split and they want to meet for in
exchange of the kids, where nine times out of ten.

Speaker 1 (44:31):
Where did you take them go apart?

Speaker 5 (44:32):
The kids have fun?

Speaker 1 (44:34):
Yeah? Yeah, good point, all right, j D? Thank you,
and welcome to Utah. From Georgia, I know. And in Georgia.

Speaker 2 (44:39):
Well, I was being facetious because I think george is
a great red state. I think that's a great other
than Fulton County. I'm sure JD sounded way. He's talked
about common sense. He would never live in Fulton.

Speaker 1 (44:48):
Yeah, well, yeah, you don't live in Fulton County if
you have.

Speaker 3 (44:51):
Common sense, yes, right, you stay out of there.

Speaker 1 (44:53):
Let's go to Chris in Horum tonight here on the
Roden Greg Show. Hi, Chris, how are you? I?

Speaker 12 (45:00):
I'm doing great?

Speaker 8 (45:02):
Go ahead, I'm another Pennsylvania. I'm another Pennsylvania transplant here
all right? Well, or I'm a few years back built
an altogether playground so that you could have special needs
and people that didn't have special needs all play together.
And so I think that's what Lehi's is as well.

(45:27):
So that it's but it's a little bit on a
larger scale. And the costs I don't know about a
million or two over a million dollars and they upgraded
the restrooms with that. But you know what you have
to do is have to kind of You're talking about
the cost a little bit earlier, so you got to

(45:47):
kind of look at what they put in. And anytime
you put anything in with special needs, that pushes the
costs up dramatically.

Speaker 2 (45:55):
But does it require it to be closed on a Sunday?

Speaker 5 (45:59):
It does not.

Speaker 8 (46:00):
Okay, that's that's a little ridiculous. I have a brother
in law that lives across the street from the school
and right by the playground, and that's when all the
different people that shouldn't be there come around is when
nobody else is there. Yeah, you're gonna want to save
it from being a tag or anything like that.

Speaker 1 (46:17):
You should have people there.

Speaker 8 (46:21):
Sunday shouldn't be a problem.

Speaker 1 (46:24):
You should don't want.

Speaker 8 (46:25):
To be there on Sunday.

Speaker 13 (46:27):
They don't have to go that's coming. You don't want
to be there, another truth bomb. Be a great listener.
If you don't want any damage done, make sure people
are there enjoying the park appropriately. That's a pretty good
defense against damage to the park. And I don't think
you need another full time employee and a part time

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employee to get to that.

Speaker 1 (46:49):
That's what throws me this story I'm looking at right now.
There was the discussion last night the mayor of Lehigh
you know, we don't, we don't. Good guy, back, guy,
we don't know. But he said the city will now
have to figure out where to find the extra funding
if they choose to keep the park open seven days
a week.

Speaker 2 (47:04):
Really yeah, again, it's a large it's a large expenditure
and you we people know what the cost they put
it's an all in car. You know what the you
know what the one time costs and the ongoing costs are.
When you appropriate money and a budget, a government budget,
that's just that's just what budgeting is. And I do
not believe that they just just spitballed it all and said,

(47:26):
oh I hope it works out.

Speaker 1 (47:27):
Yeah, don't believe it. Eight eight eight five seven eight
zero one zero eight eight eight five seven o eight
zero one zero And on your cell phone, dial bound
two fifty and say hey, Ron, right now, if you
just join us, we're talking about the debate over the
park in Lehigh. Will they open it seven days a week?
And do they need a full time person there to
walk to.

Speaker 3 (47:45):
Go see this park? I'm gonna go.

Speaker 2 (47:46):
I I saw I just wrote down when the heck
of a park? Because shut it all down. You can't
possibly have this thing open on one of the two
weekend days, two weeks in a row this is run on.

Speaker 1 (47:58):
I wonder if the slides are like paved in gold
or something.

Speaker 3 (48:00):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (48:01):
I don't know what's going on in there, but but
I like this discussion and we have good listeners.

Speaker 3 (48:06):
That's we're ready to weigh in. Let's go to Scott
and bring it in.

Speaker 2 (48:09):
Uh, Brigham City, Brigham City, Scott, thank you for holding
and thank you for calling.

Speaker 3 (48:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 13 (48:16):
I just think it's a real slippery slow but kind
of some government overreachs.

Speaker 8 (48:21):
First they want to call the park on Sunday and.

Speaker 14 (48:23):
The next thing, you know, they're going to want to
allow dancing.

Speaker 3 (48:26):
I love it.

Speaker 2 (48:26):
I love that the Color and E Ray got got
in on it together. But that is that that whole
movie took place. They filmed that in Lehigh. Here we are, yeah, yeah,
that was nineteen eighty three.

Speaker 1 (48:36):
Was here last last spring? This spring?

Speaker 8 (48:38):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (48:38):
Because the school they filmed it in where they were
going to tear it down celebration.

Speaker 3 (48:41):
It was the anniversary. I think it was the what
the fortieth were you all to remember that movie? I
remember that movie. I was in middle school in that Memoy.

Speaker 1 (48:48):
Now that's a fun movie.

Speaker 3 (48:50):
I love that movie.

Speaker 1 (48:50):
That was that was fun movie. I remember that one too.
But right.

Speaker 2 (48:55):
The town, it all happens there. They started banning the
banon park on Sunday. They're going to ban the dancing. Yep,
that's Lee High for you smartest Scott to pick up
on that.

Speaker 1 (49:08):
Well, he was he like you like you like to
say we have the smartest listeners out there.

Speaker 3 (49:13):
I love it.

Speaker 2 (49:14):
I love that we have someone that used to work
for Parks and rec and he's like, you know, it's
a bigger city I'm in, but he doesn't work there now.
But he gave a complete, you know, synopsis from that
perspective of parks and Recreation that, yeah, you don't need
an extrip employee and a half and yeah, we actually
just drive by and monitor and you can do that.
We great for the program, great for listeners to hear

(49:36):
so much by way of experience and observation.

Speaker 1 (49:40):
We've got another listener from Lee High weighing in on
this tonight. It's Randy. Randy, how are you welcome to
the Rod and Greg Show.

Speaker 15 (49:47):
I'm really good Rod and Gregg. I'm glad you guys
are the gainer every day now. Yeah, we can get
a kick out of Wednesdays. I live in Lehigh and
you know, there's some grocery stores that have been closed
every Sunday for since I can remember.

Speaker 8 (50:05):
And I don't know what how to do with the LDS.

Speaker 12 (50:08):
Or or whatnot, but.

Speaker 14 (50:11):
You know, and they're worried.

Speaker 8 (50:12):
About having to pay somebody. Well, if they people like to.

Speaker 12 (50:16):
Go play the soccer in the baseball but their kids,
maybe they could.

Speaker 8 (50:20):
Find a few people that would volunteer to be there.

Speaker 12 (50:25):
Just happened to pay somebody exactly.

Speaker 1 (50:27):
That's another option, you're right, volunteerism. Imagine that that's another option, Randy,
And you're right. I mean, you've got police, You've got
people who would volunteer. You know, they can make it work.
I mean, they really can make it work. By the way,
I was just thinking about this because we're having fun
with Lehi today. Yeah, we'll probably never be given the
keys to the city.

Speaker 3 (50:48):
A short list.

Speaker 1 (50:49):
Yeah, all right, let's give something away. We have got
two tickets to the Trans Siberian Orchestra The Lost Christmas
Eve Tour. It will take place on November twentieth, three pm.
Tickets are on sale at SeatGeek dot com. It's hard
to say seat geek dot com provided by Delta Center.
We've got two tickets to give away right now, and
we'll give them to caller number five eight eight eight

(51:11):
five seven oh eight zero one zero eight eight eight
five seven oh eight zero one zero. If your caller
number five, you've got yourself two tickets to see the
Trans Siberian Orchestra The Lost Christmas Eve Tour November twenty
at the Delta Center in downtown Salt Lake City again
color number five eight eight eight five seven oh eight
zero one zero.

Speaker 3 (51:31):
There we go.

Speaker 2 (51:32):
Yeah, I'm having an international public policy debate on this phone,
and I have got to just put it down and
quit because this is a much more. We're talking Leehi,
banning the dancing, banning the parks on Sunday.

Speaker 3 (51:45):
I gotta get focused now.

Speaker 1 (51:46):
When we come back, we're going to talk about Haitians, king,
the Whalens, humans, nicer roguins, Yes, and all coming to
the United States thanks to Alendro may.

Speaker 2 (51:57):
Orkis, and our listening audience will remember we have this
happening even in Salt Lake County and in Harriman City.

Speaker 1 (52:03):
Yes we do. That's all coming up. Stay with us.
Our number three, Rodden Gray coming your way. We've been
talking a lot about what's going on in Springfield, Ohio,
poor people back there, a town of fifty five thousand
dealing with how many of these saying six to eight
thousand now Haitian refugees. But it's not only happening in Springfield.

(52:26):
It's happening all around the country. Thanks to a guy
by the name of Alejandro Majorcis, who is the head
of Department Homeland Security. Let's find out more about what's
going on. Joining us on our Newsmaker line is Bethany Blake.
Leahy is a reporter of The Center Squhere, Bethany, what
is exactly happening with Haitian refugees going all over the country.

Speaker 14 (52:45):
Well, it's important for Americans to understand that those that
are being flown into the country, it's not just Haitians.
It's through a CHNB pro program created by Department of
Homeland Security Alejandro Mayorcis. HNB stans for Bean patients, Nicaraguans,
and Venezuelans, and MAJORCUS recently extended a temporary protective status

(53:08):
to allow people who would normally not be allowed into
the country under current law to be released into the
country and given work permits. And so what you're seeing
is you'll hear the administration say the numbers are down
of illegal border crossers between ports of entry, but when
you see the numbers of the parole it's actually over
a million that are being flown in or that are

(53:32):
have crossed illegally from these four countries alone. There's over
a dozen parole programs he created, So the actual number
is unknown, but if you look at since fiscal twenty
twenty one, you're looking at over four hundred and eighty
five thousand Haitian illegal border crossers reported by CBP. This
is public information that's on the DHS website that I've

(53:55):
been able, that I've been reporting on.

Speaker 2 (53:58):
Bethany help our listeners put that in perspective. What was
the status quo prior to my orchis Secretary my Orkus
creating these new prole programs opening up this program up
as much as he had, What would what was going
on prior to this administration's handling of refugees.

Speaker 14 (54:18):
You could not come in from specific countries. So if
you go to the Center Square website, you'll see stories
I've written about a record number of Mexicans illegally entering
the country or being reported coming in. You could not
come in from certain countries. You are automatically returned under
USC Code eight, which is under the US Immigration and

(54:43):
Nationality Act. Haitians were not allowed in with some minor exceptions.
So to see these numbers, this has never happened before
in the history of this country. Same thing Venezuelans. All
of these reports are coming out from Inspector General Report.
It's showing that these people are not being vetted, which
is why you're seeing the trade a gara gangs that

(55:07):
are coming in and terrorizing Americans because they're coming in
through the parole programs and also the just the illegal
border data. I mean, six hundred and seventy two thousand,
five hundred and five Cubans, the majority from the Southwest,
but you have one hundred and twenty seven thousand of

(55:28):
the nationwide, four hundred eighty five thousand Haitians, four hundred
and forty thousand Nicaraguans, eight hundred seventy two thousand and
forty four Venezuelans. This is unheard of, This has not
happened before.

Speaker 1 (55:42):
Well, how did they decide, Stephanie, where are bethany where
they go? I mean which communities do they go? I
mean how has that decided?

Speaker 14 (55:51):
So there are different factors that play into this, depending
on how they're coming in. There are several federal agencies
that have contracted with indeos to help process them and
transport them and move them throughout the country. And so

(56:11):
you're looking at Catholic charities, you're electing at some other
NGOs that are religious or non religious, and so sometimes
it might be word of mouth, but a lot of
times you'll find they're in small, small rural areas that
might be former manufacturing sites or places that are economically depressed.

(56:36):
And so that was what I was pointing out in
this one story, was that it's not just Springfield, but
it's also these rural areas in Alabama, rural areas in Pennsylvania.
There are rural areas all over and the issue is
that they'll arrive and be dropped off in buses and
nobody's told anything, and so the local authority there's no

(57:01):
coordination with the federal government or the NGOs and the
local authorities, and so people are coming to these local
city council meetings and saying, who are these people? How
are they getting here? They're also receiving federal welfare, they're
getting food, they have benefit cards, they are signing up
for food stamps of Medicare or Medicaid, and so these

(57:26):
local offices are being overwhelmed. And if you recall, the
states are responsible for administering programs that are through that
are funded through the federal government, but the states also
have to pay a portion of that, and so this
impacts the local taxpayer it impacts the resources, so people

(57:48):
who are administering the benefits are overwhelmed, and the people
who would normally get them, the poorest Americans, the minorities,
low income people, they're not able to access the recent
sources that they would normally be able to because they're
being inundated. And so you'll hear people talking about how
they're just jumped down the street. Now some city officials

(58:10):
will say, oh, we need the jobs, and they're really helping.
But the biggest impact you can see is in the
public school system, where even in Pennsylvania, in this one
Lettle community, they add a two thousand percent increase in
just the last two years of these Haitian and other
children that are coming into the public school system. And

(58:30):
people need to understand that the majority of people that
are coming from these hundred seventy countries now from all
over the world. They don't speak English and they don't
speak Spanish. These are not Hispanics speaking, These are not
Spanish speaking people that are coming in. There's multiple languages,
and if you think of these people in very small
rural areas, they don't have the resources for that. They

(58:51):
also don't have the police to deal with some of
the issues that are happening because I can tell you
from my time working in Texas with law enforcement, these
people don't have driver's licenses and so they don't follow
the same rules with driving, and unfortunately Americans are being killed.
And I could give you examples of people from all

(59:12):
over the country from New Jersey to Maine to everywhere
where people are being hit by people who don't have
driver's licenses, that are driving drunk, that are driving stolen cars.
So there are multiple facets to this.

Speaker 2 (59:30):
So just to add to the you know, the well
of knowledge and reporting that you're doing here in Utah,
we have a small suburban It's part of a larger
metropolit area of Salt Lake County, but a smaller suburb. Well,
when I say smaller, Harriman City has a population of
six thousand and sixty thousand people and they have realized
a ten percent growth of Venezuelan's within two apartment complexes

(59:53):
in that suburban town. And so I'm almost guilty to
bring it up because I'm not talking two thousand percent increase,
I'm talking ten percent. But that ten percent increase has
done what you have described the public safety. There are
there are officers there at this department complex. Our callers
have said almost every night. You have displacement of people
that are renting. The cost of living is going up.
Jobs are hard to get. You have our schools exactly

(01:00:17):
what you've described, where English is a second language. There
is no one, there's no infrastructure to educate these children.
Some are coming in ubers with their parents. A mother
will attend the school with their child, not knowing to
drop them off. It is causing chaos. And what we're
saying here in Utah is you haven't even seen the
government budgets yet to handle this because this came so unexpectedly.

(01:00:37):
They're using existing resources, but the resources they're using are
being depleted, which means tax increases are on their way.
I share that with you to say, in a situation
that I've described here in Utah, where we know we're
feeling all of what you're describing, how do you unwind
any of this. Let's say Donald Trump were to be elected,
these parole programs and what has happened to this to

(01:00:58):
all these communities, how do you unwind that and get
get through this chaos.

Speaker 14 (01:01:05):
So it's important to understand that what you will hear
some in the media or in the administration say, is
that these are legal programs. The papers that they are
given when they come through say that they are inadmissible,
which means that they under the law, they are in
the country unlawfully, and being released into country is a

(01:01:29):
violation of federal law, meaning what they what should have
happened was that they would have been detained and process
for removal. And so I know that Trump has proposed
a mass deportation scheme, but the issue is there's already
a backlog with ICE, which is responsible for doing that,

(01:01:49):
and there would need to be an executive order, some
kind of emergency action to be able to do that
because currently under federal law, there's there's very specific guidelines
for who can ask questions, detain, and arrest and remove
people who are in the country illegally.

Speaker 1 (01:02:09):
Bethany, thank you very much. Bethanny Blakely Blankly, she is
a reporter at the Center Square. And I tell you
what you listen to this and what Alejandro Majorkis Greg
has done to this country is absolutely shameful. It is
I has he been impeached. He was impeached if he hadn't.

Speaker 3 (01:02:30):
In the Senate wouldn't take it up. They delivered the
articles of impeachment.

Speaker 2 (01:02:34):
Amazing that that doesn't It's the first time really too
that unless they had left officer or passed away, that
the Senate didn't take up the articles. They just said no,
and nobody complained no. There was nothing threatening democracy when
that occurred. They just said, now we're not going to
take it up. They just want to write over it.
I think the part that was that blew my mind
is I thought that this that this parole program that

(01:02:54):
she described would have pre existed, that existed prior to
this administration, but the numbers would have been smaller. She said,
it didn't exist at all.

Speaker 1 (01:03:04):
He created it.

Speaker 3 (01:03:04):
So when you're talking four hundred thousand and five more more,
it's seven hundred thousand. It's all him.

Speaker 1 (01:03:08):
He created all right, Moore, coming up, Rod and Greg
right here on Utah's Talk Radio one oh five nine
can ars I told you earlier. I saw the end
of Maverick last night and then the beginning of it
is such a guy movie. If you come across that,
you have to stop and watch. Yeah, I did.

Speaker 3 (01:03:23):
Yeah, it's an automatic.

Speaker 2 (01:03:25):
Yeah guess what, But if you want to get a
personalized coke can of coke. Yes, you can get Trump,
you can get Harris Walls put on it. But if
you try to put Trump Ford twenty twenty four, he
tells you it.

Speaker 3 (01:03:35):
It tells you you won't.

Speaker 2 (01:03:36):
So for seven ninety five you can get a you
can get a personalized twelve flow ounce can of Coca Cola. Yeah,
and if you want to put Harris Walls twenty four, well,
they're happy to accommodate. However, if you wanted to put
Trump twenty twenty four, twenty twenty four, it says looks
like the name of your request, it is not approved.
Names and phrases may not be approved if they are

(01:03:58):
trademarked political in nature, tames of countries. So they either
they don't think Harris is a real candidate, yea Coca
that could be which might be the case. They're just
like they're all in for Harrison and not for Trump,
which is what they do.

Speaker 1 (01:04:12):
A rot Greg can? You know that would be awesome,
wouldn't that be cool? We should talk to the local
distributor here. So if you do a rotten Greg.

Speaker 2 (01:04:20):
Can, yes, well for something what we werell you'd want
it on a red bull can. Actually, I would prefer
that I would.

Speaker 1 (01:04:26):
Yeah, And there's not enough for room on those tiny
little cans you drink to put red Bull, to put
rotting Greg on it.

Speaker 2 (01:04:33):
We Cory Way. I just want everyone to know, Coca Cola. Yeah, yeah,
if you're a Trump supporter, forgets they're even there. They're
even putting the thumb on the scale on the can.

Speaker 1 (01:04:42):
You know, we haven't talked a lot about this today, Greg,
but it appears increasingly likely that tens of thousands of
dockworkers and major coke major ports along the East Coast
will go on strike October first, and that could have
a huge impact.

Speaker 2 (01:04:56):
I'm told that the media is committing mal proud by
not covering this because this could really, really detrimentally impact
this economy and everything about it. I can't imagine that
the Harris, that Biden Harris, would let such chaos unleash
right on the eve of the election.

Speaker 3 (01:05:14):
Something will come up.

Speaker 1 (01:05:14):
Yeah, And analysis from JP Morgan Greg says the strike
could cost the economy five billion. That's with a bee
foods a day. The fourteen points, the fourteen ports stretching
from Maine to Houston are responsible for more than half
Wow of all good shipped and containers and out of
the US. A shutdown would affect everything from cars and

(01:05:35):
car parts to vegetables and fruits, to furniture and all
kinds of things Americans enjoy and will want to buy
for the holidays. I mean, that's I'll tell you what.
Talk about causing some issues.

Speaker 2 (01:05:47):
Well, were they going to say state of emergency, you
have to vote for Harris and Walls to get to
end this strike? I mean other than saying that, I mean,
I don't know how they're going to let that happen.
I mean that would that would have such a bad
economic impact, and it would be hard to not understand
who's on the clock when this is all going on. Yeah,
and you know, remember when Ron Reagan fired the air

(01:06:07):
traffic controllers because they went on strike and we needed
our planes and we need everything to go. So he said,
all right, if you're gonna strike, we'll just get new ones,
and he did.

Speaker 3 (01:06:16):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:06:17):
I just don't know that Biden, that administration can let
that kind of consequence happen. But wouldn't it be nice
if we had a media that was really delving into
this and asking.

Speaker 1 (01:06:25):
These ques what could be happening.

Speaker 8 (01:06:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:06:27):
Now they're too focused on making Donald Trump look as
bad as they possibly can.

Speaker 3 (01:06:31):
Yeah, they haven't found the way to blame him for
this yet.

Speaker 1 (01:06:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:06:34):
If they could find that, then they would put it,
you know.

Speaker 1 (01:06:37):
And here here's a little bit of journalism today. I know,
I know you're shocked with this. Kamala gave a big
speech I think economy today. Okay, okay, Then she's sitting
down and doing this interview with Stephanie Rule from MSNBC.

Speaker 2 (01:06:49):
He sorry said she doesn't need to hear a word
from her because she's not Trump.

Speaker 3 (01:06:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:06:52):
Great, And the New York Times today said she revealed
absolutely nothing new.

Speaker 3 (01:06:57):
Why did they hear the interview?

Speaker 1 (01:06:58):
Apparently they heard the interview and they watched her speech
and she revealed nothing new.

Speaker 2 (01:07:03):
So it's interesting Axios, New York Times. There's some left
of center outlets out there that don't trust her to
stay liberal like they want her to be, and so
they're they're bothered by it because they want to hear
her liberal leftist bona fides shine through, and she's not
doing it. So they're afraid that she won't follow up.

Speaker 3 (01:07:22):
But we know she will. I don't know why they
don't know she will.

Speaker 1 (01:07:25):
And here's an interesting thing, Americans new survey consumer confidence
plunging by the most in three years this month. Americans
have no confidence in the economy right now. So this
is so everything we've talked about. Everything I see once
you get past a poll that says that they're tied
to Harris and Trump, and which every other pole confidence

(01:07:45):
in the economy, migrating away from the democrattion, young people
migrating to the Republicans or to Trump. I just can't
see how the top line of the pole her being
tied with Trump. I don't know how they're getting there
when every other crosstab is nobody has any confidence and
heard this administration a nothing, yeah, nothing, It's pretty amazing,

(01:08:08):
pretty amazing. All right, Moore coming up rodding Greg with
you on this Wednesday and Utah's Talk Radio one oh
five nine K and our unprecedented moves and it's I mean,
these weeks just fly by. Are we having too much fun?

Speaker 3 (01:08:21):
We are?

Speaker 1 (01:08:21):
Maybe that's it.

Speaker 3 (01:08:22):
I'm having a blast. Maybe that's it I really am.

Speaker 1 (01:08:24):
Yeah. Well, you know, you've got six weeks until the
until the election.

Speaker 2 (01:08:30):
So do you think anything make do you think any
more black Swans are gonna fly by or float by?
What what else is out there? Is there anything else
that can happen?

Speaker 1 (01:08:37):
What else is out there?

Speaker 2 (01:08:38):
Maybe the strike on these ports? Yeah, but what if
we don't have food? That would be terrible.

Speaker 1 (01:08:47):
Do you walk around with a black cloud over you
every ding?

Speaker 3 (01:08:49):
I don't.

Speaker 2 (01:08:49):
But I'm just like that this election cycle, when every
time I think, okay, that was it, we just jumped
to the shark. There's just no way we could see
any more bizarre. It just seems to beat itself.

Speaker 1 (01:09:00):
Here's the thing that could happen. You ready for that?
I say, you know, just I'm playing noster domas. Okay,
maybe right we find out she is an alcoholic.

Speaker 2 (01:09:10):
Yeah, well yeah, should get the alcoholic vote down. I
mean I build those somehow.

Speaker 1 (01:09:15):
Streetree wine glasses a day are actually six.

Speaker 2 (01:09:17):
Yeah, she's a victim, So feel sorry for and vote
for her for.

Speaker 1 (01:09:20):
Pressure, I'm not going to do that. All right, Let's
talk about immigration right now, the breakdown at the border
and the issues that is causing. Joining us on our
Newsmaker line is Fred Bauer. He is a blogger a
contributor at the City Journal. Fred, thanks for joining us. Tonight.
How much, in your opinion, is the breakdown at the
border undermining America.

Speaker 12 (01:09:38):
I think there are certainly, there's certainly a lot of
evidence to say that the current crisis of the border
is undermining the national compact in a number of different senses.
On one hand, it's put placing a great pressure on
communities at the border, which we're dealing with an unprecedented
influx of unauthorized migration. But also we're seeing this at
in towns and cities throughout the United States. And this

(01:10:02):
is not just confined simply to you know, right wing
people online grousing about things. I mean, none other than
you know, the mayor of New York City has said this,
the financial pressures from this influx of migration put in
his own words, destroy New York City. So there's the
financial level. There's also a level of social trust that
we're seeing a breakdown of the border that I think

(01:10:23):
is deeply alienating to many Americans because there are all
sorts of laws on the books, and the current administration
has in many ways dialed back to enforcement in those
laws and sort of worked around those laws. And I
think this is poisoning americans perceptions of the immigration system.
And I think on a very sort of deeper civic level,
this current breakdown is also really troubling because I think

(01:10:47):
one of the great promises I mentioned in the City
Journal piece, one of the great promises of immigration is integration,
is bringing newcomers into this country. And don't get me wrong,
immigrants have a lot to contribute to American life, and
I think it's hard to deny that, but to bring
these people into our country to make them full participants
in American life. And I think this kind of unrestrained

(01:11:09):
influx of people out beyond sort of the limits of
the American immigration system is actually hurting that effort to
immigrat to integrate immigrated immigrants and their children into our society.
And so I think that's a real deep cinic problem
for the immigration system itself.

Speaker 2 (01:11:24):
So Fred, everything you said, amen to it all. We're
seeing it as in Utah and even in Soly County
and suburbs here. Never meant to take ten percent of
its population and find itself with refugees that they're depleting
resources of public safety, schools, housing, All of those things
are happening in real time in our state. But are
you know Kamala Harris as vice president went to the

(01:11:46):
border all of one time in June of twenty twenty one.
She wasn't at the border, she was about eight and
a half miles away from it. For her campaign to
go down there this week signals that they must see
the polling and they must see data that says that
she's really being blamed for the crisis that we're all
living through. Well, that would be an accurate sentiment that
we all feel. How in the world is she going

(01:12:09):
to go there and makes pay some sort of lip
service to a stronger border security, to restoring order when
on her watch and through her own deeds, she is
directly responsible for this border crisis that we have. What
are we going to do to make sure that this
isn't just political pageantry and that she doesn't have the
luxury of being a challenger candidate and saying what she'd

(01:12:31):
liked to do one day. She is directly responsible for
this border and what's happened since they took office. How
do we send that message or what do we do?

Speaker 12 (01:12:42):
This is the paradox of the vised based candidacy, right
that she is trying to deflect responsibility. I mean I
think one thing that I think the media can do,
and I think you know, potentially Harris's political opponents could
do is just to try to get her on the record,
but where she stands on these issues, because I mean
there's actually just the other day I was trying to say, Okay,

(01:13:02):
you know, where do you stand on using these prosecutorial powers,
maybe grant legal status these people? And her campaign won't say,
and she won't say, And so she can try to
do these these set pieces and the pageantries you mentioned,
but at the end of the day, we don't know
where she stands with these issues. And if you don't
know where she stands in this, I mean I think
that reads the real questions. But will she break from

(01:13:24):
the policies that have helped worsen a lot of this crisis?

Speaker 1 (01:13:27):
Yeah, my guess is probably not. Fred. That's just my opinion.
I think Greg is as well. I have a question
for you, Fred. In the late eighteen hundreds and early
nineteen hundreds, we had immigration coming, immigrants coming into this
country from all over the world, and they wanted to
be Americans. My question is the people coming into the
country today, either legally or illegally. But I would guess illegally,

(01:13:49):
do they want to be Americans or do they just
want to be in America and everything that it offers.

Speaker 12 (01:13:57):
I mean, I think that's a really hard question to
answer because I mean, I mean, I personally think that
a lot of these people are coming in you would
like to enter America and become part of America. But
I think an issue is that the world is just
very different now than it was one hundred years ago,
in terms of the educational requirements for economic success are
very different. In terms of the ability to communicate back

(01:14:19):
with you where you came from is very different now.
I mean back then, when you came to America, you
either haved in a very segregated small community where everyone
spoke like you, or you were totally cut off from
your homeland, where today things are much more complicated, and
I think the ideal is to try to help, you know,
not overwhelm communities and try to help ensure that I
think there are people who want to participate in America,

(01:14:42):
and I think if they actually look at some polling,
it's actually recent legal immigrants who are actually very concerned
about this influx because there, I mean, there are people
who waited in line and know those people whose communities
are dealing with some of the most intense elements of
this influx and who are overwhelmed by And I think,
you know, if we want to bring these new immigrants
into the American family, which is I think what we

(01:15:03):
want to do, we need to make sure that immigration
can be controlled, because if it can't be controlled, then
I think we'll lose a lot of faith in the
immigration system itself.

Speaker 2 (01:15:13):
So I think there's a I think I love that
your article does talk about the integration and what happens
when people migrate, and certainly and they follow and they
honor the rule of law. When I was a public servant,
I would speak at our state capital at these naturalization ceremonies,
and they are emotional, probably one of the most some
of the most emotional and uplifting events at a state
capitol I have ever attended. And so you see that

(01:15:34):
there is this excitement to integrate, to be an American,
to wait. They all have flags and they're waving them.
The one thing I've noticed is while there is a
blind eye to illegal immigration, at the same time, there
seems to be almost unreasonable barriers to legal immigration. Have
you ever spotted or do you believe that there are
ways that we could make legal immigration less arduous so

(01:15:55):
it doesn't actually invite people to want to illegally enter
this country because there's such a stark difference between coming
through legally and becoming a naturalized citizen if that's what
you do, versus hiding in the shadows because you came
here illegally.

Speaker 10 (01:16:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 12 (01:16:09):
Well, I mean it's one of those immigrations in one
of those areas where there are a lot of hard
trade offs that are involved, because I mean, basically since
the nineteen six is what we've done with immigration is
we've tried to adjudicate the great demand to go to
to entry into America through having these incredibly long lines,
which I don't think serves a lot of people's interests
really well, necessarily because you give people this space that

(01:16:30):
they'll come into this country, but they have to wait
for you know, fifteen or twenty years to enter, which
is I think can be a problematic elforts of ways. So,
I mean, I think there are certain ways we could
try to maybe target you know, employment based immigration, because
I think that's something there's some more demand for. But
I think we also want to make sure that there
are you know, that there's a tight enough labor market

(01:16:51):
so that both blue collar and white collar workers can
enjoy the benefits of a rising economic tide. And so
I think you still want to maybe try to have
some limits on immigration, because again, we want to keep
the tight labor market, but we want to make it,
you know, make sure that we can pick up those
really high, high skilled individuals that contribute so as much

(01:17:12):
to our economy and also to a lot of the
people who were you know, maybe like you know, the
houses of you know, American citizens or whatever to be
able to immigrate themselves and come into this country too.

Speaker 1 (01:17:21):
Boy, you're spot on with that, Fred Fred, Thank you
for Fred Bauer. He is a contributor at the City Journal.
You know what, Greg, and I've said this for a
long long time. I think if you put ten, I
don't know what the number is, maybe about ten common sense,
fair minded Americans, we could come up with a solution
to immigration in this country.

Speaker 7 (01:17:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:17:43):
Do you believe that?

Speaker 3 (01:17:44):
I do?

Speaker 2 (01:17:44):
I fact, you know, I used to do a podcast
with Jim Tobaccus. You know, he's a real character. I mean,
he is as left as you get. He was he
was he actually want a seat in the State Senate.
And we would walk into the one of the podcast studio.
I asked him, and I just threw a concept on
immigration and how to do and I said, what do

(01:18:05):
you think?

Speaker 3 (01:18:05):
What do you think? He said, yeah, I could do that.

Speaker 8 (01:18:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:18:07):
I mean, I honestly think if you could get some
of the The sad part about some of these issues, right,
I think is that there's there's a lot of organizations
that receive a lot of contributions that they perpetuate the
problem to pay them to try and solve it. And
if you want to solve the problem, you actually stop
the money trend for those organizations that they have. And
I think I've seen that enough, and I've witnessed this

(01:18:30):
actually in enough policy issues where we have a solution
and no one actually at the end of the day
wants the solution because they're doing pretty well arguing about it.

Speaker 1 (01:18:39):
Do you know what we forgot to mention? Greg? Coming
up next Tuesday night live coverage of the vice presidential
debate between JD. Vans and Timmy Walls, and we'll have
it right here on Talk Radio one oh five nine
kN rs. You're about to say something.

Speaker 2 (01:18:54):
I was about to say, that's going to I don't
even know if that's worth one percentage. We now look,
one percentage is a big I guess now.

Speaker 3 (01:19:01):
I just don't think. I don't think the vice presidential
debates matter at all.

Speaker 1 (01:19:06):
And why did they do them?

Speaker 3 (01:19:07):
I don't even know why.

Speaker 2 (01:19:08):
Once that, yeah, and I'm tired of all of the
home cooking that the Democrats get these you know, they
get these you know networks that are just completely on
their side doing it.

Speaker 3 (01:19:18):
I just think it's too far, do they ever?

Speaker 1 (01:19:20):
Well, we'll have it for you. Let's see next Tuesday,
the first of October.

Speaker 13 (01:19:25):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:19:26):
Next Tuesday, right here, following our show, it gets underweight
at seven o'clock, so Lake City time. It is the
vice presidential debate between JD. Vans, who I've really come
to like, and little Timmy. I can't wait with this camouflage.
Let me tell you what I'm really excited for. I'm
al a ray for tomorrow show. I'm ready to go.
You're ready, You're ready?

Speaker 7 (01:19:47):
All right?

Speaker 1 (01:19:47):
Head up, shoulders back. May God bless you and your
family that great country of hours. We'll talk to you
tomorrow

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