The Rod and Greg Show: Costo of Civic Illiteracy; Why Male Teachers Left Elementary School; Illegal Aliens Milk SNAP for Free Food

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Local politics. The one are the ones that are closest
to your home. Well, telling you how tall your fence
can be. They can tell you if a chicken can
live in your backyard or not. You know, it's it's
the one that touches the lives of people, probably the most.
So you don't want to ignore those.

Speaker 2 (00:13):
Municipal race Well, I've always said, Greg, I think the
two most important elections in your life is a municipal election, because,
like you said, determines whether or not you have chicken
in your backyard. And school board elections.

Speaker 1 (00:23):
That's right.

Speaker 2 (00:23):
I think they're very, very important, and not enough people
pay attention to them.

Speaker 1 (00:27):
Yeah, you know, this is sad, it is and you know,
just fundraising. Think about school board races. Who donates to
a school board race. I mean it's hard to fundraise
for that because everyone you know doesn't have a natural
you know. Uh, actually, I take that back. The teachers
unions always get involved in school board races, but I
don't know, it's counterbalance on the other side. But anyway,

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it is incredibly important, and these mayoral and city council
races all very important.

Speaker 2 (00:55):
Yeah, my dad served on the school board Hi school. Yeah, yeah,
there are advantages to have your father on the school board.

Speaker 1 (01:02):
Or is it just more scrutiny, sir.

Speaker 2 (01:03):
No, it tends to get you out of trouble sometimes.

Speaker 1 (01:08):
Man, that's what I needed. I needed, apparently on a
school board that famously you're.

Speaker 2 (01:15):
Just a troublemaker? Was you were? But you had fun
doing it?

Speaker 3 (01:18):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (01:18):
I did. Yes, Yeah, a lot of fun doing it.
You don't listen to the show, so I can say
that freely now, young adults, so.

Speaker 2 (01:24):
A lot to get to today in the show where
we'll talk about civic illiteracy, we'll talk about why male
teachers have left elementary school. You and I were talking
about this earlier. They do they even exist anymore?

Speaker 1 (01:36):
Yeah, you went to a Catholic You went to a
bunch of nuns with looking for your knuckles. But I
had mister Brown third grade, mister Zachlheid in fourth grade.
I had male really teachers. Yeah. Through school, Yeah, and
in high school especially.

Speaker 2 (01:50):
There are a few rounds. There are a few rounds,
but not too many anymore. We'll talk about that a
little bit later on. We'll talk about how illegal aliens
in this country are taking advantage of our generosity in
the spirit of generosity that we have in this country.
And we'll talk about when politicians panicked. We'll talk about
the proliferation of data centers, which is kind of interesting,

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real a positive spin on data centers.

Speaker 1 (02:14):
Yeah, I only know the you know, the terminator version
of data centers and AI and all that stuff. But
apparently there's a there's there's a glass half full out
there that we got to consider and some some exciting
prospects that might be coming that way.

Speaker 2 (02:27):
Yeah. By the way, I was at the game Saturday night,
go Utes. They did a great job. Big game coming
up this weekend for the Cougars down to OLBIC Texans.
But during the game, they showed the final out of
the World Series. A lot of World Series it turned
out to be.

Speaker 1 (02:40):
Now, that final out is a pretty big deal, but
that came at towards the end. I mean, boy, was
it every exciting? I mean, yeah, it was. It was exciting,
and it was you know, in the in the warning
track collision between outfielders and the guy that didn't catch
the ball wouldn't even lift his head. He thought the
whole because it was they would have won. He thought
it was over the Blue Jays. If that ball had

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hit the ground, the Blue Jays would have won the
World Series. So when they collided in the ground, he
hit the ground, he couldn't even like turn around to
see what happened because he was afraid they just it
cost him the whole game. And the other guy that
caught the ball, he's so excited he's running and he
looks back and he sees emotionless. He thinks he might
be hurt. He was just you caught it, and he
got up. And that was a heck of a series. Man,

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that was something else. And that last couple of innings
went into extra innings. I think I think you said
we got to we got more than seven games out
of the count Allas.

Speaker 2 (03:30):
I think, if you count it right, twenty five point
nine eight million people views viewed that game. That's the
most since what eight years ago?

Speaker 1 (03:38):
Yeah, I think the NBA was dying. Well A, I
thought baseball was dying. B. I thought when the when
the Canadians are in the World Series, everyone's like, who cares?
I don't care as much. I was totally cheering for
America in the World Series. But but no, it it
crushed the NBA Finals Game seven.

Speaker 2 (03:56):
Yeah, serious, you and I are not big nbas I
could see. I all, Yeah, doesn't surprise you.

Speaker 1 (04:03):
Yeah, he doesn't know how room for Dodgers because I'm
an American, because I live in the free, home of
the Brave. That's why I'm not going with those Canucks.
No way.

Speaker 2 (04:12):
All right, let's talk about Donald Trump sat down for
an interview with CBS News last night sixty minutes. I
thought it was very entertaining. I don't know why he
did it, but I thought it was very entertaining.

Speaker 1 (04:22):
Yeah, I there are some great clips coming from that.
When I heard he was going to do it, I
just wasn't going to fall into the the just the
cycle of oh he was a mistreat at all. They
edited it out. I just I wouldn't give him an audience,
So I wasn't going to take the bait if if
the if. The commentary after the interview was negative, but
I hear it was. It was done pretty well, and
I do think there are some funny clips.

Speaker 2 (04:44):
Well, he wasn't going to back down from Nora o'donald.
He put her on the spot. Here's an example of
him putting her on the spot during the discussion of
crime in America with or in DC. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (04:56):
When I look at DC now, you can walk down
the middle of the street. You can have your daughter
who's ten years old meet you at the park.

Speaker 3 (05:04):
She's going to be okay.

Speaker 4 (05:07):
I well certain you tell me how big a difference
is DC now compared to what it was a year ago, right,
I mean, you have to be honest with me. People walk,
people in the White House. They woke up to me,
young ladies I've never seen sir, thank you very much.
I know they don't even have to tell me what
they're thanking me for. But when I asked why, he

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said one. You said, I get into Uber and I
felt dangerous. Even in Uber they'd attacked the car. Okay,
it wasn't even say that. Sarah now walked to work
every day, and I walk. I'm so safe. There's nothing
going to happen, one hundred percent safe. And you know
that too.

Speaker 3 (05:46):
Normal. I want to ask you about that. You live here,
you know that too.

Speaker 5 (05:49):
I want to ask you about difference American City in Washington,
d C. I think I've been working too hard.

Speaker 3 (05:55):
I haven't been out and about. That's not a fair answer.

Speaker 6 (05:57):
You see, I get in my car and go work.

Speaker 3 (06:00):
Can I have to use that one. Don't worry, don't work.

Speaker 2 (06:02):
I love it how he turned the tables up.

Speaker 1 (06:06):
What's brilliant about that is he says, you don't have
to use that, assuming they would edit it out. I
don't want to. I don't want to do embarrass herself.
But here's what's really embarrassing about that. When he says
it's safe here, she corrects him by saying in some places,
because I live here and I know. So he said,
you live here, you know, is it safer? And she says,
I haven't been paying attention. I work too hard in

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the table? Then why why did you say only in
certain parts in DC? Is it safer if you haven't
been paying attention because you work too hard? So it yeah,
it was. He's a funny guy.

Speaker 2 (06:37):
He did it again when he was asked about the
indictments of a certain number of people.

Speaker 5 (06:41):
James Comey, John Bolton, Letitia James were all recently indicted.
There's a pattern to these names. They're all public figures
who have publicly denounced you. Is it political retribute?

Speaker 3 (06:53):
No one you know who got indicted. The man you're
looking at.

Speaker 4 (06:56):
I got indicted and I was innocent, And here I
am because I was able to beat all.

Speaker 3 (07:02):
Of the nonsense that was thrown at me.

Speaker 4 (07:04):
And yet when you go after a dirty cup like
call me or a guy like Bolton, who I hear
has I don't know anything about it.

Speaker 3 (07:10):
I hear he took records all over the place. Who knows.

Speaker 4 (07:13):
Letitia James is a terrible, dishonest person.

Speaker 5 (07:16):
In my opinion, did you instruct the Department of Justice
to go.

Speaker 3 (07:19):
Not in any way, shape or form.

Speaker 4 (07:21):
No, you don't have to instruct him, because they were
so dirty, they were so crooked, they were so corrupt
that the honest people we.

Speaker 3 (07:28):
Have, Pam Bondi's doing a very good job.

Speaker 2 (07:30):
I loved it when he said indictments, you're looking at
a man who was indicted.

Speaker 1 (07:33):
Yeah, that standard of Hey, Trump has been critical of me,
is therefore none of the none of these indictments should stand.
How did that not work the other way around? When
they were all critical of him, some ran for office
promising to indict him, and yet they were supposed to
once they did indicte him. None of that free disposed
you know, animus was supposed to matter, wasn't supposed to

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be relevant, and so yeah, the double you know, the
double standard is just unbelievable.

Speaker 2 (08:02):
And then I love his comment when he was asked
about the shutdown and the role he should be playing.

Speaker 5 (08:06):
We are now approaching the longest shutdown in American history.

Speaker 3 (08:10):
Democrats vote under your presidency.

Speaker 5 (08:13):
We're talking about more than a million federal workers who
are not getting a paycheck, including our air traffic controllers.
You see, there's traffic snarls out at the airports now.
This weekend, food aid for more than forty two million
Americans is set to expire. What are you doing as
president to end the shutdowns.

Speaker 3 (08:32):
What we're doing is we keep voting.

Speaker 4 (08:34):
I mean, the Republicans are voting almost unanimously to end it,
and the Democrats keep voting against ending it.

Speaker 3 (08:41):
You know, they've never had this. This has happened like
eighteen times before that.

Speaker 4 (08:44):
Democrats always voted for an extension, always saying, give us
an extension, we'll work it out. They've lost their way,
they've become crazed lunatics. And all they have to do,
Nora is say let's vote.

Speaker 2 (08:58):
Yeah, all we have to do is say let's vote.
And they won vote. And he said, hey, look at
the Democrats are not going to extort me. I'm sorry,
I'm not taking the bait on this one. And good
for him.

Speaker 1 (09:07):
Yeah, and let's talk to separation and powers real quick.
This is a congressional issue. The Senate needs a vote
on this. This is a legislative branch continuing resolution they
have to pass. If you don't want kings, why are
you asking the president to insert himself or make this happen.
It's not his role to do. He's the executive branch.
This is a legislative branch function. And so that again

(09:29):
you know they want no kings until they want to
blame him and say, well, you should be doing how
they want a king. You would need a king to
do something if you don't think, if you think that
the separate equal powers aren't separate or equal real quick.

Speaker 2 (09:40):
The interesting thing about this having the president on sixty
minutes used to be a big deal done anymore. He
is so available to the press anymore that we know
what his answers are going to be to almost every question,
what he believes. So it's not that big of a deal.

Speaker 1 (09:53):
It's a supply and demand issue. The supply has gone
way up to demand a little down. Yeah, it isn't
as big of a deal.

Speaker 2 (09:59):
All Right, We've got a lot to get to. It's
great to have you with us on this Monday afternoon.
It is the Rotting Gregg Show on Talk Radio one
O five nine KNRS. Utah has made some changes, Greg,
and I love the changes they made on the part
of the legislature trying to make sure that our children
in this state are taught about American history and civics
and it's very, very important it is now.

Speaker 1 (10:21):
I think our next guest is an important guest in
conversation have because I'm not convinced we've ever been you know,
getting a's and civic literacy. I think it's always been
a challenge. Yeah, but so I'm interested where we sit
today versus in the past, because I think this has
been a challenge for quite some time.

Speaker 3 (10:41):
Well.

Speaker 2 (10:41):
Joining us on our newsmaker line right now is Michael Wiser.
He is chairman of the board of directors at the
Jack Miller Center. Michael, how are you welcome to the
Rod and Gregg Show.

Speaker 7 (10:50):
I'm well, thank you, gentlemen, thank you for asking me on.

Speaker 2 (10:53):
You wrote an article about a nation forgetting itself, the
cost of civic illiteracy. What in your opinion. What is
it costing us today by not having our students understanding
American history and the importance of civics.

Speaker 7 (11:08):
Well, an old friend, Saturday O'Connor put it very well.
We don't pass our sense of what America is to
the gene pool. These are lessons that must be taught
and generation after generation. And the absence of civic memory

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creates gaps in our civic culture, creates gaps in our
social structure, creates gaps in our economic structure. And so
people want to talk in our country about inequity. One

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of the most corrosive forms of equity is to give
our tradition to some children and not give it to others.
To give some children a head start with a fulsome
understanding of the way the country works and where we

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came from to get to this point, and let everybody
else figure it out for themselves. And those who who
have to figure it out for themselves often are attracted
by ideas and philosophies that really run counter to our tradition,
run counter to our political tradition, run counter to our

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economic tradition, run counter to our social traditions.

Speaker 1 (12:50):
You know, there's that I remember the you know man
on the street asking people simple questions about who's the president,
is what you know? Just different questions, and it was
shocking to see the answers coming up wrong. It seems
like this has been a challenge. The two big differences
I see is I've been I've been involved on my
recovering public servant, so I've been involved in this issue

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a little bit, even going back to DC working on
bipartisan groups. And so that's one of the things that
I think has changed was there was such a strong
bipartisan effort here where there was no daylight between Democrats
and Republicans in terms of civic literacy and the importance
of it. It doesn't feel that way today. The other
one is before when we saw the face of civicual

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literacy was apathy. People didn't get involved at all. What
I think I'm seeing today is this scary activism that
is anathema to the American experiment.

Speaker 7 (13:39):
So I think that activism gets gets rooted in ignorance. Yes,
is that activism rooted in knowledge or is it rooted
in ignorance? Too often rooted in ignorance.

Speaker 1 (13:52):
I guess that's my I guess the point is that
if It was bipartisan before, and it was apathetic. You
were fighting apathy. Now it doesn't feel as bipartisan, and
now we're seeing this ignorance that fuels a very scary
activism that's you know, against our democratically elected republic. Where
does that go from here? I mean again, I think
the problem has persisted to some degree, But how do

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you get over it?

Speaker 7 (14:16):
Well, this problem wasn't created overnight. No, this is two
generations plus in the making, and it won't evaporate. This
won't change immediately. This has to be a sustained and

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concerted effort to make certain that rising generations and the
knowledge that they need. So next year is the semisessed
with centennial of our country semi think quintennial. Excuse me

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about our country? And we can either view that as
a one time opportunity to throw ourselves a birthday party,
or we can see it as the start of a
twenty years cycle that begins with the declaration and ends

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with the peaceful transfer of power from Washington to Adams
twenty plus years later. We can, with concerted effort, in
the next twenty years, we can make a lot of change.

Speaker 8 (15:39):
We can.

Speaker 7 (15:42):
Bring this back into much better alignment with our values
and an understanding of what our political tradition is if
we make the.

Speaker 2 (15:53):
Effort now, and it's important to make it now. Michael,
thank you for joining us for a few minutes this afternoon.
We appreciate your.

Speaker 7 (15:59):
Time, gentlemen, I appreciate Thank you so much, very much.

Speaker 2 (16:03):
All right, all right on our newsmaker line. That's Michael Wiser.
He is a chairman of the board of directors at
the Jack Miller Center and Civics. And that you I remember, Greg,
you had to have four years of math, four years
of science, at least three years of history or Civics
to graduate from high school. Yes, that even exist anymore now.

Speaker 1 (16:19):
And I think the scary part for me is the
lack of bipartisanship. So you know, Ben Franklin said famously,
it's a republic if you can keep it. I think
there's a strong argument against the republic if we can
keep it, and it's socialism with a mandannie and this
type of new form of government, not new, but a
different one than the one that we've had that's endured
this long. And I don't know that you will get

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bipartisan support for civic literacy as we've known it in
the past, and that's my worry.

Speaker 2 (16:44):
Yeah, may not anymore. All right, A lot more to
come for you on this Monday afternoon the Rod and
Greg Show on Talk Radio one O five nine knrs. Yeah,
you mentioned I went to parochial school. Has had one
late teacher the rest of more nuns.

Speaker 1 (16:57):
Yeah, with rulers looking for your knuckles.

Speaker 2 (17:00):
Very sharp rulers at times.

Speaker 1 (17:02):
I had I had in third grade I had mister
Brown and the fourth grade I had mister Zachlheidi two
you know, great good teachers.

Speaker 2 (17:08):
Yeah, were they?

Speaker 1 (17:09):
They put up with me?

Speaker 2 (17:10):
That was that's a.

Speaker 1 (17:11):
Badge of honor.

Speaker 2 (17:12):
Did they get an award for that?

Speaker 1 (17:14):
They didn't, but they probably did. It didn't get better
at seventh grade. I think I got paddled three times
in the seventh grade, So really.

Speaker 2 (17:21):
You were paddled. Yeah, man, I went to parochial school.
We didn't get paddled.

Speaker 1 (17:25):
I got paddled.

Speaker 2 (17:25):
We got knuckles.

Speaker 1 (17:26):
But that was in gender specific. Two of those paddles
were two different guy teachers and one was a female teacher.
They got in on the.

Speaker 2 (17:32):
Action too, They got in on the action.

Speaker 8 (17:34):
Well.

Speaker 2 (17:34):
We came across this article in the Federalist, and that's
why we wanted to talk to our next gas. The
headline in this story is why male teachers left elementary
schools and won't go back in Joining us on our
nudes bank of line to talk all about that is
Scott Jenner. He is the director of the Center for
American Studies at the Heritage Foundation. Scott, how are you
welcome to the Rodd and Greg Show?

Speaker 8 (17:56):
Hello, gentlemen. I'm up here in Boise, just a little north. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (18:00):
How's Boise today?

Speaker 8 (18:03):
It's gorgeous?

Speaker 2 (18:04):
Yeah, pretty all colors, pretty sidy, all right, Scott? Why
have male teachers left elementary schools? What are some of
the reasons?

Speaker 8 (18:14):
Well, I think there's just been lots of curricular and
kind of cultural changes in schools that make it less
congenial for men to join the teaching profession, especially in
elementary end. So one of the things you might think
about is grade inflation. It used to be actually that
people would be held back in school, even in elementary school,

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people would get lower grades because men tend to want
to hold people to standards, objective standards, not caring so
much about their feelings and more about actual accomplishments. So
they'd get real grades. But then as it became more
and more difficult to give people bad grades, and it
became a much more I mean, as a result of that,
it became a much more field friendly to win it

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and where feelings are affirmed, everyone gets good grades, people
feel good and they're welcomed in the classroom. And this
great inflation change is an emblem for a whole host
of other changes relating to some of the things you
guys were talking about. I'm the run into the conversation,
like discipline is more last than it was fifty years ago.

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So the actual numbers on it are about a third
of teachers. Back in nineteen seventy when I was born,
were men in elementary ED. Now it's about ten percent.
And so, you know, we're trying to try to try
to explain this phenomenon by showing how teacher preparation and
the expectations of teachers have changed, making them less congenial

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to men.

Speaker 1 (19:49):
You know, Utah is an interesting state. It's demographics kind
of our outliers if you want to look at the
rest of the country, or maybe we're just lagging behind,
but you have a higher percentage of households where we
have two parents in those households, more so in Utah
than in any other state. And it used to be
the case that the complaint or the concern was that
you didn't see men in these elementary education roles because

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of the lack of salary. The income was not one
you could support a family in with benefits and with salary.
And that even in the side where women were entering
elementary education, it was for a shorter period of time,
so there was a higher turnover because after maybe a
spouse is through school or a found a profession and
starts to do well, many women would drop out of

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that workforce and stay home, And so there was that challenge.
I don't know if today that's the case. It seems
like teacher salaries have gone up, benefits have gone up.
What are you seeing in terms of maybe haven't looked
at Utah uniquely, but you're on Boise, so you're not far.
What is the circum Can a man be an elementary

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education as a teacher and support a family doing it.

Speaker 8 (20:57):
Well? I don't think it's worse now than it was
in nineteen seventy. What I did in writing the article,
I only have a sentence on this in the article.
But what I did is look at the income of
your average elementary school teacher in nineteen seventy adjusted for inflation,
and compared it to what it is in twenty twenty three,
and you actually make more as a teacher adjusted for

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inflation than you did in nineteen seventy. So I just
don't think that that ends up being a explanation that
holds water, just given.

Speaker 2 (21:29):
Those thoughts, Scott, what about the influence of education schools?
Are education schools turning out male teachers anymore? Is they're
mostly female teachers?

Speaker 8 (21:40):
No, elementary schools are very much dominated, I should say
schools of education are very much dominated by female faculty.
About one out of every four teachers in your schools
of education are men, and it just becomes a lower
rate when you get into elementary ED majors. So, you know,

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so they end up being very female coded too much
more into welcoming, you know, free flow writing instead of
grammatical rules and things like that. So there's a real
deterrent for men who are on undergraduate education who might
be thinking of going into elementary ad seeing it as
an entirely female dominated area with almost entirely female and

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left wing teachers in the schools of AD. It deters
men who tend to be more conservative from going into
that field. So, you know, I think all the way
down the list, like when it comes to entering the profession,
there are barriers to entry from gendered institutions like schools
of ads, And then when you want to enter into

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the elementary AD it's a female dominated area. This curriculum
is dominated by female values. I would say, so that
only like there's probably very few people like the teachers
you guys were talking about at the beginning. I had
male teachers in parochial school when I was growing up,
very common, disciplined guys. Great teachers. Taught us how to
play the piano, taught us how to, you know, memorize

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rock names and all that stuff. It was great. Mister
Kershner and mister Gurky are mine nice, But like there
are no there are very few people like that anymore
in schools because the curriculum squeezes the maleness out of
the environment.

Speaker 1 (23:24):
So and I'm not helping me build my pinewood Derby
car very male oriented thing. I don't know that a
teacher that's not a male would have been able to
help kid with a single mom. Do that you talk
about accountability, discipline exists. It certainly applied to my case
and was and helped me holding back. He didn't want
to flunk, and I knew kids that did flunk because
they didn't make their grades and so they had to

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be held back a year in school. Is any of
that going to come back? I mean, I think these
are accountability as an issue that I think is should
be part and parcel in our schools. Can we get
this back?

Speaker 8 (23:56):
Well, some states have started doing it. There is this
thing called the Mississippi Miracle where they've really raised reading
scores in Mississippi from among the lowest in the country
to among the highest. And they've done it by actually
starting to hold students back, retaining students who don't actually
meet the grades. And it's hard to imagine something like that,

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you know, improvements in education happening without some way of
holding people to account like that. There's a nationwide movement.
I know it's landed here in Boise, who allows students
to just hand in their work whenever they want because
they can't get a zero on it, the lowest grade
you can get as a fifty Almost no one fails.
Isn't any wonder that the work ethic is worked? Con

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can you actually learn in school without a work ethic?
I mean there's lots of brilliant people, but without a
work ethic, you can't do it. So all of the
rules that have made lacked education ultimately undermine it for
like a big swath of students. And the point of
the article is that that's just a tendency that you

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expect in female dominated education schools.

Speaker 2 (25:06):
And yeah, yeah, Scott, a great conversation. Thank you for
joining us for a few minutes today, and safe travels
to you. Thank you, Scott, appreciate it. Thanks a lot
on our newsmaker line that Scott Yenner. He is with
the Claremont Institute but also with the Heritage Foundation, talking
about why male teachers have left elementary school. Mare coming

(25:29):
up on the Roden Gregg Show. Here starts at AutoZone.
She's a Mississippi MoMA. She shot dead one of the
aggressive monkeys that escaped from that overturned truck last week
in Mississippi.

Speaker 1 (25:41):
Yeah, these plague filled monkeys that got out the horror
movie that's in real life playing out.

Speaker 2 (25:47):
Her name is Jessica Bond. Ferguson said she and other
Heidelberg residents had been on a high alert after words
spread that the monkeys, believed to be carrying dangerous diseases,
but later confirmed by officials, had been roaming loose since
Tuesday right well early yesterday morning. Apparently, the story goes
that her sixteen year old son ran into the house

(26:09):
claiming that he had seen one of the animals in
their backyard. Well. Ferguson said she and other residents were
on edge after words spread of the monkeys loose in
the area. The thirty five year old mother of five
children aged four to sixteen, said she jumped out of bed,
grabbed her gun and phone, went outside after calling police.

(26:29):
About sixty feet from her house, she said she spotted
the monkey and chose to take the matters into her
own hands and shot the monkey dead.

Speaker 1 (26:38):
Was it known that they because you You just threw
a little sentence in there saying it was later said
that they didn't contain anything.

Speaker 2 (26:44):
That's what, that's what the story. That's what the story
that I don't.

Speaker 1 (26:48):
Know, because then I wouldn't want to kill the monkey
if it didn't have an infectious disease.

Speaker 2 (26:51):
Really, what would you have done or monkeys? Mean, I
don't know how.

Speaker 1 (26:56):
I probably fed it food's thrown some bread at it
or something.

Speaker 3 (26:59):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (27:00):
You're too kind hearted, man.

Speaker 1 (27:02):
My grandma used to take me to the zoo. I
throw marshmallows at bears. I thought it was cool.

Speaker 2 (27:06):
Bears like Marshall loved them. I didn't love them.

Speaker 1 (27:09):
Well, catch them in the air.

Speaker 2 (27:10):
She she, she, she took the animals out.

Speaker 1 (27:14):
I hope she thought I had an infections, an infectious disease. Man,
I am. I'm taking anything down like I've seen those
zombie movies. I'm taking anything down that has infectious disease.
But if it didn't, that'd be harder to shoot.

Speaker 2 (27:25):
Yeah, well, what if what if one of the monkeys
were attacking your children?

Speaker 9 (27:29):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (27:29):
No, I killed attack. If he attacked my dog, I
think I should we at him?

Speaker 2 (27:36):
Yeah she could. Should We have a moment of silence
for Dwayne and Roberts. Do you know who Dwayne Roberts is?
He is an entrepreneur okay, credited with inventing the frozen burrito.

Speaker 1 (27:50):
I haven't forgotten about the frozen but I.

Speaker 2 (27:52):
Used to a lot oft I've never had micro I've
ever had one.

Speaker 1 (27:56):
Them in the microwave, and after they got hot, then
I put some cheese on the top of them, and
then melt them down, melt them again, and then put
some sour cream and some salt on them. I ate
a lot of those in college.

Speaker 3 (28:06):
He died.

Speaker 2 (28:07):
He died peacefully in his sleep on Saturday night. Go
to old Dwayne was eighty nine years old.

Speaker 1 (28:14):
Well, you know what, there's a lot of a lot
of people on limited incomes that ate a lot of
frozen burritos. I didn't them. In fact, I hadn't thought
of those in years. That's good. I might want to
have them for.

Speaker 2 (28:26):
You may just to remember, Dwayne Roberts.

Speaker 1 (28:29):
Show my kids this is this is keeping it real.
This is old school. I find some caloric.

Speaker 2 (28:34):
Back back in nineteen fifty six, he created a beef
and bean.

Speaker 1 (28:39):
There it is.

Speaker 2 (28:41):
It is frozen and deep fried. I'll tell you that
you helped reshape America.

Speaker 1 (28:45):
And I couldn't discern the beef from the beam when
I would when I would slice, that sucker tasted good,
tasted good enough.

Speaker 2 (28:52):
The frozen burrito creator.

Speaker 1 (28:54):
Yeah, it might have been paste. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (29:00):
Power number three on employment, the shutdown, the shutdown, three
hour wait through security today down in Houston, and it's
only going to get.

Speaker 1 (29:12):
Worse, Graig, it is. I mean, there's a lot of
ways that the federal government. At first, when the government
shuts down, it probably unless you're a government employee, you're
not feeling the effects. But I think at some point,
especially around the holidays and travel, you'll certainly feel it,
as it's impacting our air traffic controllers and our airports
and that being a huge travel day. The question, lingers,

(29:36):
are the Democrats crazy enough to put Americans through this?

Speaker 2 (29:39):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (29:39):
I mean is it? I mean, because I'll tell you this,
and I think this has gotten so serious that you
can't even stare. I don't care what the polls say
right now. If you were to capitulate and you were
to give the Democrats what they want right now, because
you don't want to see the shutdown or the difficulties
that Americans are going to have to live through and try,

(30:00):
particularly through the holidays. If you give them, you're going
to get more. And what comes after Thanksgiving Christmas, what
happens you don't have the Democrats don't have a majority
in the House, or the Senate. They'll be quick to
tell you this. The Republicans control it all, except you
need sixty votes in the House. In the Senate, what
she means you need seven Democrats that are clear thinking
to vote with the Republicans. But if you can't pass

(30:23):
any kind of policy, you can shut down the government
and get what you want. And somebody has to be
the adulting room.

Speaker 3 (30:29):
Is there.

Speaker 1 (30:30):
Maybe that's what they're thinking, that someone has to be
the adulting room to not harm Americans who had no
say in this, and give you what you want so
that we can continue to have a government run. If
you do that, it's a we will. It will be
bad because they will now push for policies and things
they don't have the votes for that they can't get
through the normal course of a congressional or through the

(30:51):
legislative process, and they will hold the American people hostage
every single time. It's why you don't negotiate with hostages
as a foreign policy issue. Don't do this because why,
you'll get more of it. You'll incentivize more terrorist activity.
The more you negotiate and give in to terrorism and
their demands they have. The Democrats have painted the Republicans

(31:11):
in Congress into a corner in the Senate where they
have no choice. If we want to keep this country
and its majorities relevant, you have you cannot capitulate to this.
So I guess the Democrats are going to make Americans
go through all this, and I just I don't see.
I don't see how that's going to work out well
for them.

Speaker 2 (31:31):
Well, the President said in that sixty minutes interview last night,
He's not going to allow the Democrats to put him
in a spot trying to extortion. He said, I'm not
going along with this. You know, here's the President said, Look,
pass the bill and then if you want to sit
down and talk about Obamacare, even though it is the
worst thing this country has done for.

Speaker 1 (31:53):
You, you monster, they created without a single Republican vote
in the House for center.

Speaker 2 (31:56):
Yeah, if you want to sit down and talk about that,
we'll do that. But get the government up and going again. Quit.
I mean they have they have publicly said if there's
a little pain out there, well, the ends justify the means.

Speaker 1 (32:10):
And if you look at if you look at snap
and this shutdown has given us the opportunity for me
at least to stare at the details of SNAP where
I realize, my goodness, there's a lot of people that
shouldn't be eligible for this that are receiving this, or
the amount they're receiving is so much more than the
average working family is getting. There's a lot, a lot
of problems or the fraud that we're learning is being
found by the USTA and the Agriculture Secretary some of that.

(32:34):
I'm frustrated that Republicans have been on a job longer
than before the shutdown occurred. Why hasn't haven't these things
been scrutinized more carefully in the past, But it has
given us the chance to look at it, and nothing
I'm seeing should we be accepting at whole cloth and
wanting more of. These are things that when your trillion's
in debt as a government, there has got to be

(32:54):
some sanity attached to this. And I think the Democrats
know they have been allowing people illegally to come into
this country. They've been feeding them. If you stop feeding people,
they're going to have been housing them. If you stop
those things, they're gonna leave. They're going to self deport.
They're counting on their presence and their numbers even just
to draw congressional districts in their favor so they cannot
afford or they don't. They will sacrifice any legal, hard

(33:18):
working American to keep the people that they brought in housed, clothed,
you know, fed, so they can use them for these
reapportionments that come during you know, the scent after the census.
That's what they want. And watch out when you see
California as Prop fifty pass tonight or tomorrow, just know
that the game on a redistricting they are. They're going

(33:38):
to have, as you point out before, as large as
a state as it is, you'll have all, but you
just have three Republican districts congressional districts alone in the
state of California, in the state of California that's going
to be on the ballot. And if I think it's
going to pass in California, and then you got them,
you got them up to their ears in Utah getting
a blue state, robbing us of our four we only
have four, taking one of ours for as a de

(34:00):
blues district here.

Speaker 2 (34:01):
Well, Ben mccadams, it was reported today, I think one
of the newspapers here in town or the media outlets
here in Town said, a national group is now working
with Ben mccadams. And once the ruling, whatever the ruling
is going to be coming out of Judge Gibson, is
that her name her court, he could instantly announce that
he wants to be back in Congress again. I wonder
if a Ben mccadams, greg who positions himself as a

(34:24):
moderate can live with the socialistic attitude of his party today.
I wonder if he can.

Speaker 1 (34:32):
I got the National tit on my phone today. Here's
what's going to happen. He was a moderate out of necessity.
I mean, he could read the room. That's what he
worked for. He worked for Mayor Ralph Becker Salt Lake City.
Salt Lake City is not a moderate city, and it's
not at all. He fit in perfectly. He was moderate
because Salt Lake County when he was mayor, had a
lot of Republicans in the south end of the Salate

(34:52):
County Valley that are Republican, and he was able to
represent the people that he was trying to earn the vote.
You give him a dark blue state and he will
vote as liberal as a day as long true, and
that's that's what they're after.

Speaker 2 (35:05):
Well, speaking about the government's shutdown. Senator John Curtis over
the weekend appeared on Seat Span Seats Fire program hosted
by Dashah Burns, and he talked about the shutdown, and
first of all, of course, a lot of the criticism,
as expected, greg being directed toward the president. You need
to sit down with the Senate leaders, and the President said,
I'm not going to do so. You know you are
not going to hold me to sit down with you vote,

(35:29):
Let us vote, then we'll talk about these changes to
medical care. Well, this what Curtis. This his answered when
he was asked should Donald Trump get involved in this?

Speaker 9 (35:39):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (35:39):
And no.

Speaker 9 (35:40):
So the president doesn't have a vote, right, Like, we
talk all the time about Congress taking back more from
the executive branch, and then here we are leaning on
the executive branch to solve our problem. So there's a
big part of me that wants to say, we can
do this ourselves.

Speaker 2 (35:53):
Yeah, and they should be able to do it themselves.
Don't get the president involved in this. Let the legislators
figure this out. Never going to happen, But that's what
needs What is.

Speaker 1 (36:02):
The what is the hypocrisy, and just just the irony
that the Democrats who cry no king with Trump Trump,
I think she's a king. Hey, Trump needs to intervene here.
He needs to control it all and get the you know,
Republicans to open do what the Democrats want and open
the government. They are looking for him as a king
to pull Trump in and say it's his fault or

(36:22):
that he should do have a role. You're trying to
pull him into a legislative function that's not his. That
the that the that the Senate has to work out
at this point, and.

Speaker 2 (36:31):
They should they should, they shouldn't have to get the president.

Speaker 1 (36:33):
Of all in this now. And if you just listen
to I don't think the American people have moved on
this when Republicans have had a hard time accepting a
continued resolution because the spending has been irresponsible. Uh, And
they have tried, and they've done this where they don't
want to they don't have the sixty votes in the
Senate to pass it. The Democrats attacked Republicans, but I
would say the general public didn't want to see the

(36:54):
government shut down wholly over these issue differences, and they
thought the government needs to stay open. You can't get
down to this and there's so many quotes including from
President Obama when he was present, about how irresponsible that is.
That is exactly what they're doing now, and they can't
live with their own very words. But I think the
American people feel still feel the same. Don't shut down

(37:15):
this entire government. Don't shut down our ability to travel
through you know, in airports over these issues. You know,
get this thing done and let us move forward.

Speaker 2 (37:24):
The American people are saying, just grow up and settle
this thing. That's what they do. Your job, do your job.

Speaker 1 (37:28):
For fact to get paid. And I'm glad some are,
you know, not sending it back. But I just think
it's it should be the people that can't afford to
stay in that shouldn't get paid, just so they know
how it feels for the rest of Americans to have
that same issue going on.

Speaker 2 (37:43):
Here's Sunder Curtis's response when it comes to describing this shutdown.

Speaker 9 (37:46):
This is this is I think Scott will agree, this
is the stranger shutdown like ever right, like it's opposite
day in so many ways, and he's right. I mean,
I remember sitting in my office day after day after day.
That brings motivation, right to solve this we get paid.
That is so wrong. Most of us, by the way,
tell the clerk to withhold our pay. But if we don't,

(38:07):
we get paid while our stabs are tall. Well, the
TSA doesn't, while the military like it's it's just really wrong.
So if it were up to me, we would be here,
we would be pounding it out, we would find that consensus.
We would open up the government and do exactly what
the American people expect us to do.

Speaker 2 (38:24):
Well, you know, they expect you to solve the problems
Center Curtis, and so far the Democrats do not want
to go along with what you're trying to do. It's
pretty similar and.

Speaker 1 (38:30):
There's nothing to negotiate because anything that's beyond just the
status quo, you're opening up a Pandora's box, because there's
plenty I'd like to see not spent that you can
pair back if they want to spend more on other things,
and then that's the negotiation they need to have going forward.
That isn't something you can hammer out with the government
being reopened hanging in the balance. That should just be

(38:51):
again the status quo. The continuing here are the Democrats
voted for before.

Speaker 2 (38:56):
Yeah, new developments tonight in that woman who was arrested
at the air that we talked to her, that we
talked about, got a lot of reaction to it. Well,
now we have one of the media outlets telling us
what we should do to avoid ice and to track
down ice. We'll talk about that coming up next right
here on the Rod and Greg Show and Talk Radio
one oh five nine o k n RS. About the

(39:17):
woman who was arrested by ice at the Salt Lake Airports.
We covered it last week, We talked about it last week.
We had a lot of people way in last week
attacking us for laughing at this woman who was screaming
her lungs out when she was being arrested. But the
media in this town is taking such a sympathetic approach
during the woman she had a work permit, she was

(39:39):
a good person. She has every right to be here
in the United States. No, she doesn't. She's here illegally
and she doesn't.

Speaker 1 (39:45):
Well, what I don't like is that you've got our
major local media outlets that are describing this as if
she had a legal right to be here. In fact,
even hearing it from a friend of mine who said, oh,
it looks like it turns out she had a legal
work permit to be here. Doesn't look like she's should
have been arrested at the airport because she had a
work permit. Again, that would not be true her. I

(40:08):
think you have it there, but the court order that
she has to be removed. If you've got some lawyer
that can somehow find you their way around and not
disclose that relevant information which would disqualify that person for
a work permit, and they get one anyway, that doesn't
that doesn't supersede what the judge had ruled. Doesn't it
supersede the court, the jury, you know, the court ruling

(40:30):
and their process, because you got some attorney that somehow
kept that those facts away from whoever awarded that work permit.
That work permit isn't worth the paper it's printed on, basically. Yeah,
And yet you've got a media outlet right now trying
to substantiate her presence here by saying, well, she had
this permit, that permit was received under pretenses that aren't valid.

Speaker 8 (40:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (40:53):
Yeah, Well her own attorney who was representing her now
said yeah, she had a work permit, but the judge
who signed the deportation order, that deportation order supersedes the
work permit.

Speaker 1 (41:04):
Yes, so and so, And here's the basic question. How
do you get a work permit when you have a
judge whose judgment would supersede a work permit? How is
that not part of the of the of the due diligence.
In other words, if you go to get a dry
to get driver's license in Utah, there's a database. And
if you got some license or ticket from some other

(41:26):
state and it's and you haven't paid it, you got
to get your stuff cleared up before you can come
into Utah and get a driver's license.

Speaker 3 (41:31):
Here.

Speaker 1 (41:31):
That's the theory, or that's how it's worked. How in
the world are you getting a work permit if you
had a judge it's ordered you to leave this country. Yeah,
it shouldn't.

Speaker 2 (41:39):
Happen, well normally, Utah points out on a social media
post today, says, see how it works. It seems the
strategy is now to make her the most pathetic, ignorant, helpless, sympathetic,
useless person on the planet. So the reason alone she
can's day absolutely needs to get rid of her out
of our country. Yeah, that's what the media is trying. Oh,

(41:59):
this poor woman, she's screaming, she's yelling, she's.

Speaker 1 (42:01):
The Salt Lake woman. Here we go with a Salt
Lake woman.

Speaker 2 (42:05):
Yeah, she's she came to this country illegally. She did
have a work permit. Well, once the judge orders her
to be removed, that supersedes the work permit.

Speaker 1 (42:14):
And that came prior to the work. For me, the
permit was I'm going to tell you you have to
it has to be false pretenses for you to have
a judge make that order, and then you find some
work around or find something that would legitimize your presence
here that if you look at it in the right
and law enforcements enforcing the law, it's it doesn't keep
you here. So it's it's not worth the paper it's
printed on. It's a farce. And it's again, this system

(42:37):
is so messed up. And I'm tired of people that
they don't see that people commit crimes, and they don't
see people the law enforcement enforce the crimes, but they
see this one and somehow this takes on some whole
new meaning to them. I guarantee you and DUIs and
in traffic accidents and things like that, you see people
who've been arrested, detained, who had kids, but they have

(42:57):
to be removed from those kids because of the crimes
or the things that have happened. This happens in law
enforcement all the time, but this has been romanticized in
a way to manipulate people's emotions and their good hearts.
And I think it's I just think it's selective outrage.

Speaker 2 (43:10):
Now that video that we saw last week, remember near
the end of the video, you heard a bystander yell
out something neat someone needs to help her, We need
to help her. She started filming. The police officer looked
back at me, move between me and what was going on. Well,
that person has been identified now in an article on
the trip today as Utaw author Shannon Hale, and she said,

(43:32):
what can we do? So here comes the Salt Lake
Tribune offering suggestions for what people can do when they
see ice moving into rest somebody. And they said, you
can't interfere. You keep your dispance, but make sure you
have your cell phone ready and record everything and ask
them their name, where they live, and ask the officers
who are you, where do you live? I mean, here

(43:54):
we go again, doxing members of ice ye. And that's
what the Tribune is carrying a story about today.

Speaker 1 (44:00):
They get in that story that they printed today. They
say they won't they are under no ices, under no
obligation to answer you. But you can get their badge number,
You can get their impersonal information. Look at their cars,
see what the details are if you want to. If
you think that interfering with law enforcement officers and enforcing
the law is what you should be spending your time doing,

(44:20):
why stop there? Yeah, what other crimes do you think
would pull up the heartstrings if you knew more details
of them. We had a great caller last week that
called who was a retired member of law enforcement. That said,
some of the most vicious criminals in the world, once
they know they're caught, cry and look to appeal to
your emotional you know your humanity and have mercy, show mercy.

(44:42):
They just fold, They melt because what they're manipulating you,
because they're trying to get away with a crime. So
it happens. All you know, Lady Justice, she's blind, she's
got a scale. Okay blind. You don't get to pick
who's subject to the law and who's not. You don't
get to pick your favorites. Are the ones that seem
most sympathetic. The law needs to be enforced and justice

(45:03):
needs to be served, and that's the way it works.

Speaker 2 (45:05):
Yeah, yeah, Well let's make her a sympathetic character and
then the community will get behind her. She was in
the country illegally. Yes, she did have a work permit,
but as soon as that judge ordered that deportation order,
that supersedes that work permit, and I've had every right
to remove her.

Speaker 1 (45:21):
You know, you know, it begs another question to be asked.
You know, when Obama was letting everybody through, a lot
of people were saying that this was a challenge. They
don't support it, they don't condone it. It's just a challenge.
It's hard to stop. The recoil and the opposition to
enforcing the law and removing people that are here illegally
shows that the Democrats absolutely support illegal immigration. Absolutely. They

(45:44):
do not want you to enforce the law or to
correct or wrong and make right what was wrong. When
Obama led everybody Abiden let everybody through, they have never
opposed this, even when they get paid lip service to
the fact that, yeah, we don't support this. This is
just a really hard issue to deal with. I remember
sixty minutes at a story that didn't paint them in
a positive light, and their answer was we're trying our

(46:05):
level best to get a hold of this. No, this
they want this, they want they wanted these people to
come across. They wanted the NGOs to bring them out
throughout the country because it's harder to deport than if
they're in a border county or state, which you can
return and remove back or put back to across the
border more easily. This was an incredibly well funded and

(46:25):
intricate effort and plan. And you see by the outrage
of the media or the law enforcement trying to enforce
the law, the pushback. They don't want the law enforced.
They want what happened to stay. Then they want all
the consequences that come with it to be here. They
have no compassion for everyday Americans and the impact this

(46:45):
is create.

Speaker 2 (46:46):
We've talked about this before, Greg, This is a typical
Democratic strategy. Obamacare. Create this massive program that we know
is not going to really do anything about healthcare in
this country and raise the cost, and then we'll figure
out how to deal with it. Same thing with illegal immigration.
Create this massive illegal immigration. Then when we realize, uh,
that's causing some problems, then we'll try and figure out

(47:08):
how to deal with it. But we really don't have
any solutions. It is so typical of the Democratic Party
in this country today. And you, as a matter of fact,
you go all the way back to FDR and Social Security,
create this massive retirement program for everybody in America. Sooner
or later, we're it's going to catch up to us,
which it is now and we'll have to. But we
don't want to be blamed. You Republicans. You figure out

(47:30):
what to do with it.

Speaker 1 (47:31):
Yep, in the cities of Chicago, New York where Democrats
have been running the show for so long, and it's carnage, okay,
and it's there. You can't blame a Republican, but they
still with a straight face try to. But yeah, it's
it's I think that we have just got to we
gotta buckle. This is the moment. I mean, it's a
republic if you can keep it. We have got to
be able to enforce our laws.

Speaker 2 (47:51):
Now, all right, We've got to take a break, get
a news update, and come back with your thoughts on
it and more of our discussion. It is the Rotten
Gregg Show right here on Utah's Talk Radio one oh
five k n RS right now.

Speaker 1 (48:02):
I think we got to just delve back into the
government shutdown and some of the Democrats who know there
is just no solid ground to stand on on this,
and they know that they are losing the set the
support of the American people. And these are Democrats that
have been around for a while, They've been kind of
the old guard of the party. But there they see
this party crumbling and they're they're they're admitting it. Which

(48:24):
a guy like Chris Matthews, former you know, chief of
staff to Tip O'Neil, had his has it a show
on MSNBC or CNBC for a long time, had a
chance that kill up his legs. He still can't help
but bring him up in this little quote.

Speaker 2 (48:38):
Then had a nice crease in his pants and everything
was perfect with Barack Obama according to Chris Matthews.

Speaker 1 (48:43):
Yeah, so now that we've completely delegitimized his opinion, which no,
but he is very worried. And I think if he
is spotting this UH movement or this sentiment in America,
then it's pretty It means it's there. If if this guy,
of all people will will acknowledge it. Let's hear what
he had to say, to.

Speaker 10 (49:00):
Be honest with you, the country is moving towards Trump.
I may these polls that come out and show him
not doing well, I don't I don't buy that. I
think strength, his strength is still greater than the Democratic strength.
He is a stronger public figure then the Democratic people.
I mean, Obama still has tremendous charisma, but Trump has strengths.

(49:23):
And I think that's what all the voters look for.
But they wanted to president who is a strong figure
and and and he's got it and he can. It's
just there and half the country buys it.

Speaker 2 (49:36):
It's true. Yeah, I'm not going to argue with that manoint.

Speaker 1 (49:40):
And if he and in the in the point for
us is not that we we we prop you know
Chris Matthews up as some sage or someone who understands.
It's when it's so obvious even this guy gets it.
That's when you know that it's it's pretty it's right
in front of us. Because when he will acknowledge that
which he has spent his entire life being partisan and
never giving Republicans much of anything by way of credit,

(50:02):
for him to acknowledge what he just did means that
their party is gasping right now, Well.

Speaker 2 (50:07):
That goes right along with our good old trend. Harry
Enton from CNN out with a new poll. Two points
were made, and he said, first of all, unlike previous years,
when you had an Al Gore, you had a Barack Obama,
you had a Hillary Clinton, he had a Joe Biden.
Typically they were viewed as the party leaders. They would
get a twenty twenty five percent of the party would

(50:28):
view them as leaders of the Democratic Party. Right now,
there's not a single Democrat out there who even gets
above fifteen percent. And then he talked about the Democratic
Party and he talked about the base. And here's what
he said about the base of the Democratic Party right now.

Speaker 11 (50:44):
One of the reasons why there is no front runner,
nobody wants to put anybody up at the top of
their balletlest is because at this particular point, the Democratic
brand is in the basement. It is total and complete
garbage in the mind of the American public. The Democratic
Party's net fable rating record in all three Wall Street
Journal thirty points underwater, CNN twenty six points underwater, Gallup

(51:05):
twenty six points underwater. And that is being driven in
large pop by discontent within the Democratic base. The Democratic
base wants something different will ultimately end up seeing who
they choose. It'll be quite the thing who ultimately gets
the rest.

Speaker 2 (51:17):
And discontent within the Democratic base. I don't think this
race in New York City, which everybody is talking about
with Minami, is an attack on Trump. Partially it may be,
but I think think about this, Greg, how long has
the Democratic Party been in control of New York, New
York City in the state. I guess what, Rudy, Yeah, Rudy,

(51:40):
Rudy Giuliani. I think the voters in New York City
are saying, your Democratic policies they aren't working anymore. They
can't blame the Republicans. Republicans haven't been running that state
for decades. They're blaming the Democratic Party. And that's why
mem Donnie is probably going to win tomorrow. They are saying, look,
your policies, your Democratic policies of the past, have done

(52:00):
nothing for us. So if we have to go with socialism,
that's the direction we'll head in. Because he's promising free healthcare,
free childcare, free bus rides, free food, you name it.
He's probably seen them everything.

Speaker 1 (52:15):
And I've heard from Democrats that have said, and they
are excited about him because again, look at what the
Democrats brought you. Cuomo had to leave office because he
was a creep. He's doing things with during COVID, he
sent a lot of people and forced them into facilities
where they where they passed and tragically passed away. But
he had a ton of legal problems too as governor

(52:36):
because of his conduct. Then you have Eric Adams who's
under federal indictment. He had, he had a long list
of problems going on there. So who did they have
to choose from? You've got Sila. The guy that said
was the red gray guy, and he's look. I listened
to him today on clan Buck and he is he's
making a good case for why you'd want to vote
for a viable candidate that's not Ma'm donnie. But and

(52:59):
I and I don't know how you vote for Cuomoa.
I don't know how you vote for you know, anyone else.
But the problem is the Democrats, and especially the young people.
I don't even think they like socialism as much as
they're saying. This current system brought to us by this
Democrat party doesn't work.

Speaker 2 (53:17):
It does not work.

Speaker 1 (53:18):
We don't want any part of it. But what does
it say when someone who's I would say, you might
not like Obama, but he's at least politically astute. He
was at least smart enough to see where people were
going so we could lead him there. He can lie effortlessly,
he can frame things in a way that sounds intuitive.
He will not endorse Maddonnie. What does that say?

Speaker 2 (53:36):
Yeah, well, then you have a phone call with him
yes day, said I'm your sounding board. Now, weren't we
all afraid back when he was elected he was a
socialist to begin with, but nobody would ever you know,
we'd attack him for that, but nobody out there would
ever admit, Yeah, he's social So now he's a sounding
board for a socialist mayor.

Speaker 1 (53:53):
So's i'd so intriguing is that I don't think his
politics are different than men Donnie's. I just don't think
he wants to be labeled, like ma'am Donnie is as
a socialist. So he's keeping arms length. And I think
that that that tells you how rudderless the Democrat Party
is right now, They they a lot of them were
slow to come on. They didn't want to. Jeffreys didn't

(54:13):
want to. The you know the minoy minority leader in
the House, but he finally did. But Barack Obama's not
and I don't think his politics are much different than
ma'am Donnie. So that to me says that he sees
problems in that that party and he does not see
ma'm donnie as the leader.

Speaker 2 (54:29):
But you'll go with them.

Speaker 1 (54:31):
Now, do you have to have a break, because I
there's an aftermath to this election that I'm either going
to explore today or tomorrow. But I got it. We
gotta talk. We got some things to discuss because there
could be some consequences to that election in New York
City here in Utah.

Speaker 2 (54:46):
More coming up on the Rodding Greg Show on Talk
Radio one oh five nine k n R S.

Speaker 1 (54:51):
Folks, at this last segment, I just want to I
just want to walk you through this.

Speaker 8 (54:54):
Now.

Speaker 1 (54:54):
Sometimes I say things in jest and people think maybe
I'm being too harsh, or that it's not fun, or
that I've made a bad comparison. So I'm going to
take all that into consideration, and I'm going to say
before I even share this with you, i am not
comparing New Yorkers those that live in the city that
never sleeps New Yorkers with the with God, the Gaza

(55:15):
Strip or the Palestinian refugees specifically. But I want to
I want to lay out some thoughts here. You know,
Gaza and the way it's been, the way the people
have been there, they have they have a very difficult
time when they're trying to flee the Gaza Strip being
able to relocate and surrounding countries and Arab nations. Jordan

(55:37):
doesn't want them. A lot of people don't want them
because of the people they are help create in some
way the disaster they're in, and they don't want more
of that coming into their countries. It's one of the
problems with this humanitarian crisis. If we find out that
Mam Donnie becomes the mayor of New York City and
he wants all the grocery stores to be free and

(55:58):
everything else to be free. And you see there's talk
of Wall Street actually ending UH in a stock exchange
emerging in Texas.

Speaker 2 (56:06):
True, well, they've already begun that wave of people.

Speaker 1 (56:10):
Steven Morris talked about this with a straight face. So
there could be some massive consequences to UH, to this
Mandani mayoral rain. The people that are fleeing where do
they go because I don't want them coming here South. Look,
go go to Connecticut, go to Massachusetts, go to a
blue state. But whatever you do, you know, you kind

(56:31):
of made your bed over there. You kind of whatever
you have, whatever disaster you have, and you woke up
and said, how can this guy be the guy? You
have a lowest voter turnout of a primary ever. You
know that actually put made him the nominee for the Democrats.
They we don't need them coming into the low tax,
red conservative states with all their politics. I'm telling you

(56:51):
it's going to be a problem. And I'm just saying
there may be a simple There might be some you know,
connected connected dots. You got a people. They've made a
mess of things. You don't want to make it a
mess where you are. You might want to watch out
for this. So maybe we want New Yorkers to not
come here.

Speaker 2 (57:07):
Well they can't come here, but they are going to leave.
A poll today in the Daily Mail found that nearly
one million, one million New Yorkers are preparing to flee
the city should Mandammi win the race for.

Speaker 1 (57:20):
There seeking asylum. Yeah, and they cannot have asylum in
red states because they're going to ruin our red states.
They say, you know, California, case, don't let count don't
California Kate, Right, Yeah, these New Yorkers are going to
take off after making a mess out of that town.
What are they going to do to the normies? So
the every day hard working Americans that are you know

(57:40):
that like low taxes. These guys have been supporting high
taxes from day one.

Speaker 2 (57:44):
Nine percent of New Yorkers say they're ready to.

Speaker 1 (57:46):
Leave, telling you that this is going to be a problem.
You hate to save people from themselves, but where are
these people going to go? I'm not interested in New
Yorkers coming here. The law gets out of state. That's
what they do.

Speaker 2 (58:00):
Hopefully Now there all right, more coming up the Running
Gregg Show, a discussion of snap coming up next.

Speaker 1 (58:08):
You can afford to have your yard cut. You give
it to a twelve year old kid, Give it the
kid a break while you gotta hog all the good
jobs and job kids when need that side hustle, you could.
You could throw them a few bucks and then use
your time more one and the.

Speaker 2 (58:19):
Job that we have is the only manual labor I get.

Speaker 1 (58:23):
If you're insecure about your masculinity and you got to
go cut grass that remind yourself you're a man. That's
a you problem. I'm gonna just tell you this. You
can find hiring better uses. You're an athlete, you like
to play sports, you like. You don't golf enough. You've traded,
you know, pick a ball for your golf game. It's
a high price, I think too high. But you could
give that job to someone else and get you know,

(58:43):
enjoy your weekends more. Folks. I've been trying to walk
him back from this free he won't do it. He
is just he's psycho about that lawn. He just has
to cut it all the time. It's not that I
have cut I just like to get outside and work,
can out sud and play. What's wrong with playing golf?
You can sit in a cart and drink in sip
a drink and you're immersed in a sport.

Speaker 12 (59:02):
Do you know what we do for three hours every day.
We don't sit in the cart, but we sit. We
But you're not sitting the entire time when you're golfing.
You're out in nature. You're driving around.

Speaker 1 (59:14):
You get to go to your ball, you go, you
hit it.

Speaker 2 (59:16):
I was telling you what happened at the game on Saturday. Yes,
the guy in front of us must have been eight
feet tall.

Speaker 1 (59:22):
Yeah, you told me. They stood the whole time.

Speaker 2 (59:24):
He stood almost the whole time, and I would stand
behind him and I still had to look around him.
It was like, oh, by the way, you just sit down.

Speaker 1 (59:32):
And of course when they announced the Canadians Blue Jays
one or the Dodgers, all the booing from the U
chants because they're socialists, like Canadians. They're like Canadians. They're
all socialists, you know. You have you seen the way
that U runs that that campus. They're they're lefties big time.

Speaker 2 (59:48):
Oh I know they are.

Speaker 1 (59:49):
Yeah, and they're all booing with Dodgers because they love
the Canadian Blue Jays. Socialist, yeah, and they all love
the Canucks. That's a tell right there. You should know
that is I'm making all of our ute fans mad.
I love the fans. I Look, if you're a ute
fan and you're listening to this audience, you're the only
good thing about the utes I know is if you're
listening to this audience and you are good, you like that,

(01:00:11):
you like that.

Speaker 2 (01:00:12):
They're a good team. Look good on Saturday, really good,
big game, A big game. Any prediction on what's going
to happen this week down in Love.

Speaker 1 (01:00:19):
I don't. Look, I don't. I don't like jinxing my team,
so I don't like you don't. I don't call the shots.
I don't like doing that.

Speaker 2 (01:00:25):
Yeah, look, Utah is getting recognized. We've got two teams
in the top one, top twenty five to twenty.

Speaker 1 (01:00:31):
Po Pole it's there, ranked eighth now and seconds ninth.

Speaker 2 (01:00:34):
Utah is what fourteenth, seventeen, something like.

Speaker 1 (01:00:36):
That anyway, and then uh yeah, so and Cincinnati looked
super good up until they came.

Speaker 2 (01:00:42):
To destroid Yes Saturday night.

Speaker 1 (01:00:44):
So we'll see. I think ba's got a tough couple
of games on the road. They got they're going to
Love Texas to fight to play Texas Tech. Then they
got to go to Cincinnati to play Cincinnati. So we'll see.
Those will be that'll probably decide it, all right.

Speaker 2 (01:00:57):
The big issue, of course with the shutdown is what
happened in SNAP. That's the supplemental nutrition program we used
to call it, you know, food stale stamps changed now.
But so as you said earlier, Greg, with this shutdown,
we're getting a little more light is being shed on
the SNAP program and the abuses that are taking place

(01:01:18):
within that program.

Speaker 1 (01:01:20):
Yeah. I hate to feel this way, but the more
I learn about it, the more I start to resent
the Republicans that have been on the clock, that have
never really talked about this as much. It's not been
front of mind, the just the abuse, and there's so
much of it. I mean, where why has this not
been an issue up till this shutdown? Yeah, I mean

(01:01:42):
it's it's I'm just going, where have we been on this?

Speaker 2 (01:01:45):
She is the elections correspondent for the Federalist. Her name
is Beth Well. Yeah, she's joining us on our newsmaker line. Beth,
you've been taking a look at the numbers. The Center
for Immigration Studies has been taking a look at the numbers.
It is amazing, Beth, the number of illegal aliens, people
who are in this country illegally, who are getting food stamps.
It's amazing.

Speaker 13 (01:02:05):
Yeah. You know, fifty nine percent of illegal alien lead
households use one or more welfare programs like cash assistance
or medicaid or free or reduced housing, and about seventeen
percent use food stamps or SNAP as we call it now. Yeah,

(01:02:28):
quite a few people, but you know, they're not eligible
to get SNAP. They're getting it through their kids, their
US born kids.

Speaker 1 (01:02:36):
Let's talk about that. You know, anchor babies and kids.
How well is that verified? I mean, I know that,
I know the principle behind it, But how often do
we think that that's happening where it's legitimately a child
that's born here in the country after they've come here illegally.
Because if you look at the numbers of how SNAP
has grown versus the migration of or illegal immigration that's
happened during the Biden administration, it seems to parallel each other.

(01:03:00):
So how did they were they all just pregnant as
they came across at the same time. I'm just worried.
The anchor baby is a nice theory, but are these
babies really born here in the United States?

Speaker 13 (01:03:09):
Well, that's a good question. Whether or not they were
actually born here, that's a very good question because if
you're you're well, yeah, if you're here illegally, you still
can go to the emergency room and get treatment, you know, So, yeah,
they're going to get a birth certificate.

Speaker 1 (01:03:26):
It used to say that the baby they have with
them isn't isn't No, this baby was born here. Look,
it's just little, it was just here. Yeah, I just
I just worry. It just seems like it is so pervasive.
Something seems to be wrong, even if you're using an
anchor baby, it seems to be a system that's utilized
too frequently.

Speaker 13 (01:03:45):
Yeah, I should say these stats come from the Center
for Immigration Studies, who really have their finger on the
pulse of this kind of thing.

Speaker 2 (01:03:53):
Right, let me ask you this question here. We have,
as you point out, we've got government workers. We have
federal services, government workers who are missing paychecks, like air
traffic controllers, the military. You have federal services that are
shut down, yet taxpayers are still feeding you know, thousands
of illegal aliens in this country. That does not seem
fair to me.

Speaker 13 (01:04:13):
Back, Yeah, you know SNAP was supposed to shut down
as of November first, but you know there was a
lawsuit out of Massachusetts that said, no, no, we got
to keep SNAP going. And the judge ordered the USDA
to keep SNAP going for November payments and use either

(01:04:38):
fund it partially or fully, and hopefully the appropriation bill
that would fund it normally would come together. You know
what we usually do if you lose your job or
your paycheck, is missing for a while. You tighten your belt.
You probably have some things in the freezer, you know.
And let's never forget how generous the SNAP program is. Okay,

(01:05:00):
a family of four is going to get nine hundred
and seventy five dollars a month in food money. That's
eleven thousand, seven hundred dollars of free food a year,
or two hundred and twenty five dollars a week. Because
your family, of course, spend two hundred and twenty five
dollars a week on groceries. Well, you know, if you

(01:05:21):
buy a roast and make some rice or something, you
can probably add an extra eater to the table, right,
And that's what happens is let's say you have four kids.
You're going to get to twenty five a week in
SNAP benefit, but you can see it a few more
people at your table. Now, don't forget children of SNAP

(01:05:43):
recipients or SNAP recipient kids automatically get free lunch at school,
free breakfast at school. That means the parent really only
has to buy dinner and doritos, right, so their food
dollar goes much further.

Speaker 1 (01:06:00):
We know the Secretary of Agriculture Secretary Brook Rawlins, She
asked every state when she took over to please send
all their data on the Snap program so they could
really scrutinize it. I think twenty nine states complied, twenty
one states didn't or vice. I don't know which was which,
but the Blue states ultimately did not want to comply.
In some states even sued the USDA for having the

(01:06:21):
goal to ask what those the profiles of those that
were receiving these Snap benefits were from those states that
have complied, they have found a system rife with fraud
an abuse. We can only imagine that those states that
are hesitant or unwilling to send their data have the
same type of fraud and abuse going on there. Did

(01:06:43):
it take this shut down for us to scrutinize this
program close enough to see how scary it's grown. California
went from five billion to eleven billion dollars in Snap benefits.
Even if the government opens up, I think we've got
a lot of work to do with this program and
where it's being defrauded.

Speaker 13 (01:06:59):
Well, we know there's fraud and that people use that
Snap card and go into unscrupulous merchants and then get
they can get cash, which is not allowed. This is fraud,
but there have been many prosecutions on it, not nearly enough.
It happens all over the place. You go in and

(01:07:20):
you make a deal with the shopkeeper that I'll give you,
let's say, fifty dollars in Snap money credit, and you
give me twenty five dollars cash, and now I can
go buy my drugs and you get fifty bucks. Everybody
profits except the taxpayer. So that kind of thing is happening.

Speaker 2 (01:07:39):
Yeah, let me ask you this bit. I mean, how
infuriating is it to most Americans? And there have been
several social media posts of people who received SNAP and benefits,
and I saw one last week where this woman says,
if I lose my SNAP benefits, I can't afford to
buy my two sons tickets to an NFL football game.
I mean, that's gonna be infurience to a lot of

(01:08:01):
people out there. But I mean, for crying out loud.

Speaker 13 (01:08:05):
Well, you know it's right there in the name SNAP
stands for the Supplemental nutritioness Itsance programmed SNAP. Right, Well,
it's supposed to be supplemental. It's not supposed to be
one hundred percent of your of your food budget. And
we've got food bank school or every if every community

(01:08:26):
large and small has food banks and there's a very
organized program, and lots of nonprofits are doing soup kitchens
and you know, hot food ready to go at some
of these churches and stuff. And it's really a beautiful thing.
And so when you hear the political crime that people
are going to starve if if SNAP benefits aren't solved

(01:08:49):
in a day or two, you know, I don't that
sounds cold, and we do care. We don't want anybody
to starve, but I promise you nobody in America is
going to starve if SNAP shuts off for a few days,
which the no one, no politician that's going to let
that actually happen.

Speaker 2 (01:09:06):
That's brilliant. With the Federalist joining us on our newsmaker
line talking about the abuse in the SNAP program, and
I'm with you on this one, Greg, and the fact
that this is not a brand new program, It's been
around for a long long time. Why hasn't somebody bothered
to take a look at the abuse in the program,
because you know it exists.

Speaker 1 (01:09:24):
When you see the number just from California alone that
that claim to be wholly dependent on SNAP food programs,
that's that is a welfare state beyond imagine it is.
They went from five billion to what are they at?
Eleven billion dollars now just six years later? You know,
pre COVID till now. There's something wrong. And I think this,

(01:09:45):
this program, I think this shutdown's given us a unique
opportunity to really scrutinize what in the world are we
doing on this free food and who deserves it and
who needs it versus who's getting it, and how has
that hurt harming this country. I think there's a lot
of harm going on right now.

Speaker 2 (01:10:01):
There is, and it's too bad before this nobody has
bothered to take a look at it. They should have
more coming up The Rod and Greg Show on Monday
evening with Utah's Talk Radio one oh five nine. Kan
arrest names in the news as good old Paul Harvey
used to say, some people, I know you thoroughly enjoy.

Speaker 1 (01:10:19):
I know that means I don't, but yes, proceed.

Speaker 2 (01:10:23):
How about former First Lady Michelle Obama, one of your faves.
She I mean, look look what this family has been given,
yet she is still griping.

Speaker 1 (01:10:33):
Yeah, you know, isn't it some just victim classes?

Speaker 2 (01:10:37):
All the rage does a sit down interview with ABC,
and she says she is now griping about the what
she called white hot glare of public pressure she endured
as a black woman in the White House.

Speaker 1 (01:10:50):
Please she could do no wrong, America. They it was
the greatest, it was, it was. I mean, there's I
mean it's sad that Milennia Trump has never been given
up action of the attention or the respect as first
lady that Obama Michelle Obama received.

Speaker 2 (01:11:06):
She revealed, she revealed in this interview on ABC that's
coming up to Niger doing tomor and that I think
that she feels more confident than ever now that she
in her golden years and her husband there settled. Thought
they were splitting up or something like that.

Speaker 1 (01:11:22):
Well just settle somewhere. Well can you just can they
just go away? Like I I honestly, people become president.
When they retire, they just get out of the out
of the public consciousness. Just leave. They don't leave and
they you know, you see Obama out there campaigning for
you know, the in the Virginia governor's race. You know,
there used to be a timer. They when they were

(01:11:42):
done being president the United States, they stopped being political
that way, not him. He's never stopped.

Speaker 2 (01:11:47):
No, he never has. We were all too aware that
as a as a first black couple, we couldn't afford
any missteps. No, please, Well, even if they did have
a misstep, the media would cover it up for him.

Speaker 1 (01:11:58):
Well, you know, their margin of error was so giant
if you disagree, if you disagreed with them on any policy,
and I mean her husband more than her, but if
you disagree with the president on policy, you're a racist.
You couldn't have a straight faced disagreement on policy, or
you just had an issue with a black president.

Speaker 2 (01:12:16):
People were afraid to bring up issues because they were
afraid to be accused of being a racist. That's what
it came down to.

Speaker 1 (01:12:22):
She didn't have it harder. They had it easier by
a lot.

Speaker 2 (01:12:26):
Another one of your favorites, George Clooney.

Speaker 1 (01:12:31):
I liked him on the Yards eleven, but not twelve thirteen.
I think it's just er and Ocean's eleven, I said.

Speaker 2 (01:12:39):
He said he feels it was a mistake for Kabla
Harris to replace Joe Biden.

Speaker 1 (01:12:45):
Well, you know, he's a bit of a He stirs
it a little bit because it was his letter. Isn't
his letter of the editor saying that that Biden is
thinks he's batman. He needs to get out of the way. Yeah,
now he doesn't think that she's well, he's really good
at hindsight. Isn't it twenty twenty vision that guy has?

Speaker 2 (01:13:00):
Yeah, he claims he has no regrets about that New
York Times piece at all. No, none whatsoever.

Speaker 1 (01:13:07):
Nah, he shouldn't know.

Speaker 2 (01:13:08):
And now one of our favorites, gruesome newsome.

Speaker 1 (01:13:13):
Yes, this guy.

Speaker 2 (01:13:14):
He says he does not want to be president. Then
he says, in the same breath, there's nothing more he
dislikes than a politician who will sit there and lie
to you. Listen to what he said.

Speaker 6 (01:13:25):
You've said, as we've discussed, you are considering a run
for president, and you've said you'll make a decision about
whether to run for president after the midterms.

Speaker 1 (01:13:35):
Yeah, I mean, why do governor? Let me ask you,
why do you want to be president?

Speaker 3 (01:13:39):
I don't. I'm not suggesting I am. I'm saying I
have in response to someone talked about it.

Speaker 14 (01:13:44):
And I hate when I nothing I dislike more than
the politician that sits there and lies to you.

Speaker 2 (01:13:54):
Is the lying right there. No, I don't want to
run for president.

Speaker 1 (01:13:57):
He's already said, I'm not going to lie to you.
It's crossed my mind. I've thought about it. Yeah, I've
thought about it. Now he's saying, no, I don't want
to be president, and I hate you can't stay consistent
inside of a calendar week. Now. What he's saying while
he's saying I don't like liars, that those are the
scary politicians are the ones that can lie, so you know,
so seamlessly and so effortlessly. Just it's easy.

Speaker 2 (01:14:20):
Three of your favorites today, Michelle, George and Gruesome Newsom
what a trifecta all in one segment. Just I hope
we're coming to a break. I need to go to
the restroom. Moore coming out after Greg has a potty
break on The Rotten Greg Show. Doc Crittio one oh
five nine k n R S. I know that I understand,

(01:14:41):
But the beauty of it is dark out there. I
know the beauty about this is now. It's something about
four months.

Speaker 1 (01:14:48):
I do like abbreviated.

Speaker 2 (01:14:50):
Yeah, it's abbreviated.

Speaker 1 (01:14:52):
And have you noticed that it's it's lighter earlier?

Speaker 2 (01:14:56):
Okay?

Speaker 1 (01:14:56):
Yeah, and you're an early riser show, you should notice
I don't, but you shouldn't.

Speaker 2 (01:15:01):
You don't get up till minute before. This is a
call every day.

Speaker 1 (01:15:04):
No, that's all. I knew you're gonna lie to our
audience when you said that that's not true.

Speaker 2 (01:15:07):
Well I heard you this morning. You were faking it
like you were up and going I was you just
roll out of bed.

Speaker 1 (01:15:12):
But I'll tell you what for the reasons, I don't understand.
I had the longest block of sleep I've had in months.
I slept forever.

Speaker 2 (01:15:21):
I don't know really why. But yeah, yeah, all right,
data centers. You know a lot of talk greg, a
lot of concern of late. I heard Glenn Beck talk
about this the other day, the power needs of the
data centers. Can America meet that?

Speaker 1 (01:15:35):
Well, yeah, it is, and it's a it's a it's
a big concern. You're gonna have to see. There's gonna
be big changes coming about how we generate power and
how we use it. But it's not slowing down those
that are developing the facilities that eat up a lot
of this power, including the data centers.

Speaker 2 (01:15:51):
Yeah, not the leads bit Well, joining us now on
our news maker line to talk about the data centers
as a matter of fact, he says, a matter of fact,
there's more to them than just data data. However you
want to pronounce that, John Timney, he is the editor
of Real Clear. Marcus, John, welcome to the show. You
wrote about this. Tell us what this article is really
all about, John.

Speaker 6 (01:16:10):
Well, it's really exciting. Never forget that usually when businesses
start things or they invest, the first result isn't the
end result. Amazon began as a book selling business, but
the books were just a test case for could Amazon
convince buyers to change their habits of buying all goods?
And so now it's the everything store. And so it's

(01:16:33):
interesting to think about these data centers. If you ask
the typical American, they'd say, well, yeah, those exist so
that we can have better, more robust search results when
we go to Google or Chat, GPT or the things.
But there's no way all these businesses would be spending
literally it will eventually be trillions of dollars on data

(01:16:55):
centers so that we can get better search. I think
it signals a total transformation of our economy for the
much better.

Speaker 1 (01:17:02):
So tell us what that looks like. I know that
I've seen the Terminator movies and not none of the
You know, the AI really worked out well for humanity
in those movies. But you know, that's all any of
us are thinking about. So for me, what does it
What does a world look like where you have a
new maybe a disruptive technology, a new economy that's coming forward.
How does it not displace workers and actually make the

(01:17:23):
workforce stronger and better.

Speaker 6 (01:17:25):
Well, the fact that it's going to displace existing work
is the surest sign that the work that Americans will
do in the future will be better than ever. Let's
never forget it's in the societies where the work remains
the same year after year, decade after decade, where the
people are desperately poor, where they're desperately in the past.

(01:17:48):
In the United States, we don't have to do what
our parents do for a living. And that's what makes
the US so great. It's why some new people want
to live here, that they want to bring their families
here because you have the chance to do something different.
And so, yes, these data centers will make it possible
for machines to do and think for us, think about

(01:18:11):
what that means and think about it in terms of
the tractor. The tractor was easily the biggest job destroyer
in world history, as was fertilizer, but as opposed to
putting us out of work. It freed us to spend
our days doing something other than just merely providing the
base level of food to maybe survive. And so with

(01:18:33):
these data centers doing so much for us, that just
will make us better at our jobs, make us elevate
our production on the job, elevate us in the jobs
that we never imagine doing, precisely because our productivity will
rise so much.

Speaker 2 (01:18:48):
John, I heard someone speaker. They wrote an article years
and years ago about the you know, they were looking
at the future. They were taking a look at what
lies ahead, and they said, the real power is going
to rest of the people who have information and access
to that information. If these data centers are controlled by
a few, don't they control things because the power of

(01:19:09):
information that they have at their disposal.

Speaker 6 (01:19:12):
Well, that's if true, if you believe that the real
power resides with the people who add the information. And
I don't know that that's true. I think what these
data centers are going to do is they are going
to be the equivalent of adding billions and trillions of
new hands to the economy. Think about what that means.
Think about it in terms of Adam Smith's Wealth Nations.

(01:19:35):
How did he begin the book. He began it in
a pin factory, and he noted that one man working
alone in the pin factory could maybe produce one pin
per day, But if you added eight men to that factory,
all working together in specialized fashion, the group could produce
tens of thousands of pins per day. Think of how

(01:19:57):
rich the world is going to get if suddenly we're
working alongside exponentially more powerful machines doing more and more
for us. It signals a future that will in which
will not only be specialized in doing the work that
we can't get enough of much more successfully, but we'll

(01:20:20):
be doing it while being paid exponentially more. Worker compensation
is an effect of productivity, and machines have never put
us out of work. If that were true, then the
US and would be the poorest country in the world
in Afghanistan would be the richest. What machines do is
they elevate us. They free us to focus on what
we do best. And when we're doing what we do best,

(01:20:43):
we were much more productive, precisely because the work is
more associated with what's unique to our unique genius and intelligence.
What I would give to be a three year old
or a baby right now to live through all of this.
I think the kids being born today are going to
have jobs that stagger us for how much they don't
feel like work.

Speaker 1 (01:21:02):
Okay, so I love the positive take on this because
I haven't had. I have been really worried. But you're
giving you're giving me a new optimism. Okay, so we're
not Rome. It's twenty twenty five. Just tell me we're
not talking bread and circuses here. Don't tell me to
just tell me that the technology doesn't get so that
you don't even need human beings to be part of
this labor force to be able to get it all done.

(01:21:24):
But it's this open ended fountain of new opportunities. Promise
me that that's you.

Speaker 6 (01:21:32):
I promise you a thousand times over. Humans are never
a cost, they're never a job taken. They're just a
new way of improving the world around us. And that's
because you'll will never get to a point in life
in which every human malady is is is unfixed, in
which every single human want that we could have ever

(01:21:54):
imagined is taken care of us. All this means is
that we late the people of the present and the
future to a level and a living standard that will
make the present look Bangladesh by comparison as precisely because
we're working so productively and because we have shorter work days,

(01:22:14):
but we get so much more work done during the
workdays that we discover all new human needs at once.
We cure what what has been killing us too readily,
but we discover all new ways to meet the needs
of people. Never forget, a few years ago we just
thought Google was the end result of Internet search. Now
even if you go on Google, it's a completely different experience.

(01:22:36):
And this is what's going to happen with these machines.
They're powerful precisely because they're going to do so much
for us. And never in history has an advancing society
resulted in lower standard living standards and reduced work. It
always results in more and better work. And again, what
I'd give to be young right now.

Speaker 1 (01:22:56):
So will talk radio shows in the future asking for
a friend.

Speaker 6 (01:23:01):
Without question, there will be and you know why, it's
not to talk my book. But in twenty eighteen I
published a book called The End of Work, and I
titled at the End of Laziness that we're on the
verge of work, of everyone getting no longer being lazy
because they're gonna be so in love with their work.
But the future is the entertainment economy because so much

(01:23:24):
production will be a foregone conclusion, such that everyone will
have living standards that are enormously greater than the present.
There will be more and more people doing for a
living what they would do for free if they had
to think about how lucky we are. We're sitting there
having a conversation about the economy in the future. Are

(01:23:45):
we not some of the luckiest human beings alive? Do
you know what people would have given to be doing
what we were doing, not just one hundred years ago,
twohundred years ago, but twenty years ago. We are so lucky,
and it's going to get better and better for people
who entertaining, people who have more and more time to
be entertained, precisely because they're so productive on the job.

Speaker 2 (01:24:08):
John Tamney joining us from Real Clear Markets, talking about
see people will need entertainers.

Speaker 1 (01:24:13):
Like us, That's what he says. You know, do you
feel lucky? I'm trying to feel lucky. I just I'm
trying to say, Okay, I buy this because I want
to feel lucky. I want to feel that this is
a good thing. I just have a It feels this way.

Speaker 2 (01:24:30):
People have more time on their hands. Maybe they want
to be radio talk show, you.

Speaker 1 (01:24:34):
Know, idle hands, Devil's play. Yeah, I'm not. I'm a
very optimistic person. AI and technology and all of this.

Speaker 2 (01:24:43):
It's just there is a human element to this business
that you cannot replace.

Speaker 1 (01:24:48):
That's right in my opinion. How could AI ever be us?
It can't?

Speaker 2 (01:24:52):
It was true?

Speaker 1 (01:24:53):
Yeah, I only you would want to be AI's loss.

Speaker 2 (01:24:57):
I want to be right.

Speaker 1 (01:24:59):
Who cares about you?

Speaker 12 (01:25:00):
AI?

Speaker 1 (01:25:01):
All right, we got this down.

Speaker 2 (01:25:02):
Final segment of the Rod and Greg Show coming up
on Talk Radio one oh five nine o k n RS.

Speaker 1 (01:25:08):
I'm citizen Greg Hughes, and I brought our.

Speaker 2 (01:25:10):
Kid, Jim GARRETTYE Jim oversees the National Review online. I
know you're kind of so and so on the Nemesis,
But he wrote this article today about why the moral
panic over billionaires. A new report out, as he says today,
wants you to be really mad at America's top ten

(01:25:30):
billionaires because they made a whole lot of money last year.

Speaker 1 (01:25:34):
No, I'm out at the billionaires like Bill Gates because
they want to socially engineer my life. Soros because he
wants it, wants to engineer my life.

Speaker 2 (01:25:41):
Yeah, well the article like, do you like you?

Speaker 1 (01:25:46):
I'm good with Elon, Well, not good with the leftists.

Speaker 2 (01:25:48):
Well they're billionaires. Apparently they had a very good year.
But a lot of investors had a very good year.
So why are we mad at everybody.

Speaker 1 (01:25:56):
Because they're getting into our business? Is that it billionaires? Well,
some of them, some of the big ones, and the
stuff they fund, it's terrible.

Speaker 2 (01:26:03):
Here's the list today. Elon Musk worth four hundred and
ninety seven point four billion.

Speaker 1 (01:26:07):
He's a good guy.

Speaker 2 (01:26:09):
Larry Ellison, he's not good. He's a E three twenty.
He goes with the win three twenty.

Speaker 1 (01:26:14):
Jeff Bezos he's trying to change the Washington Post. But
he's another go with the win.

Speaker 2 (01:26:19):
Not working very well. Uh, Larry Page, don't know him.
I'm try it's one of those guys. Mark Zuckerberg to
twenty two.

Speaker 1 (01:26:28):
Yeah he's a phony.

Speaker 2 (01:26:30):
And Sergey Brinn two fifteen.

Speaker 3 (01:26:32):
Don't know that one.

Speaker 1 (01:26:33):
Yeah, where's where's Soros? And and Bill Gates in that whole.

Speaker 2 (01:26:37):
Never listed apparently they aren't the richest. They are billionaires.

Speaker 1 (01:26:40):
I thought, no, they're billionaires. They just must hide it.

Speaker 2 (01:26:43):
I thought they were yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:26:45):
Well we'll find out they you know, you reap what
you So a lot of these people have thought they
were smarter than everyone else. They're trying to create a
world of which they're going to control. I love how
how this pivot by by Bill Gates where he won
to control all the power and make it hard, and
Warren Buffett the same. And now they come to find
out that AI needs more than they can ever generate.
So now they've got to flip the switch and go

(01:27:07):
Now they got to pivot and go to oh no,
we want all energy all generated from every source known
demand because they need it. When they thought they were
going to create a world that didn't or they could
control it, now they can't. But look, so the Democrats
are being they got a big moral dilemma right now.
They're saying, you understand that people, if you go and
try to socialize or make communists the city of New

(01:27:28):
York with this mandanni, people are going to leave and drows. Well,
there's a Democrat congressman who's got an answer for it,
which is well, instead of just the tax is going
up in the in the people fleeing the city who
don't want to be more taxed more, he wants suggest
tax everyone nationally more. Here's what he had to say.

Speaker 2 (01:27:48):
Say that you support raising taxes and.

Speaker 3 (01:27:51):
If you do that, you're going to change more than.

Speaker 14 (01:27:55):
I only support it at the national level. I wouldn't
support at the local level because people are you think
our state I don't want. I don't want someone to
say I'm moving to Florida or Texas because I can
have lower taxes there. Wherever you go in the country,
I'm all for you paying higher taxes you're anywhere in
the country.

Speaker 1 (01:28:12):
So this is the grand plan from New York. I
know how to get him to not run away. Let's
raise taxes nationally on everyone so you can't escape. He
did you hear what he said? I don't want you
to escape. Yeah, I don't want you to escape high Texas.
I want I want to tax all of you to oblivion.
He says this, and he says it like it's a
It's like a real plan to him. Yeah, it's a

(01:28:32):
real plan. So we can we all raise our hand
that we're not into that. Yeah, I think that's a
bad plan. No thanks, no thanks, Well he liked you.
By the way, Tomorrow is municipal election day here in
the state of Utah, so make sure you go vote.

Speaker 3 (01:28:44):
Folks.

Speaker 1 (01:28:45):
Everyone get out to vote. I like the vote person.
I like the little stickers has voted today. I like
to get toast.

Speaker 2 (01:28:50):
Good for you. Don't vote, We'll see you tomorrow. Head up,
shoulders back. My God bless you and your family in
this great country of ours. Thanks for joining us tonight.
We're back tomorrow.

Speaker 12 (01:28:58):
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