The Rod and Greg Show: Have Utahns Forgotten to Slow the Flow?; A Conversation with Barry Manilow

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's mother Day's sweet Mother's Day weekend.

Speaker 2 (00:02):
Did you play pickleball this morning?

Speaker 3 (00:03):
No?

Speaker 1 (00:03):
I hadn't got my haircut. Oh, oh that you didn't notice.

Speaker 2 (00:06):
I know, I know that's like an event. You just
don't like do two things. If you get a haircut,
there's nothing else can happen.

Speaker 1 (00:12):
Let me tell you what I really did.

Speaker 2 (00:14):
I know what you did. You get your haircut. Haircut,
You put it in the calendar, you put in the
show notes. I mean, it's like getting a haircut. It's
the biggest deal.

Speaker 1 (00:20):
Well, because you guys always wondering where I am, so
I have to let you know. Apparently you can't live
with around. It's a big event when you get your
hair cut. My grass a little bit too this morning.

Speaker 2 (00:30):
This morning I called the cops on you for disturbing
the peace.

Speaker 1 (00:33):
Blow yours in the morning. Do it until about eight
thirty or nine o'clock eight thirties too early? No, it
is not people trying to sleep weekends summers seven thirty, I.

Speaker 2 (00:43):
Would so call the cops on Really, Oh, that's disturbing
the piece. No it is, it is you can't be
running that more at seven thirty on Saturday morning. I
would Uh, what way off way till noons? It's time
to sleep in on Saturday. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (00:57):
No, you're one of those neighbors that you'd come out
in your robe but it half opened and you yell
at people. That's funny.

Speaker 2 (01:03):
You should say that you have had a very night
well last weekend, my awesome neighbor next door. It was
probably late in the day too, and I'd got a
slow start and I was in my robe and I
said hi, and christ to Queen Bee said, are you
kidding me? You just said you're in a robe right now?
Do you know how stupid you look? I thought, I
look relaxed, is what I look? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:22):
You sure do.

Speaker 4 (01:23):
Well.

Speaker 1 (01:23):
We are relaxed because it's Friday. We've got a great
show lined up for you today, like we do each
and every day, and we invite you to be a
part of it. It is the Rotten Greg Show. Number
to call if you want to join in on our
lively conversation every day eight eight eight five seven o
eight zero one zero eight eight eight five seven eight
zero one zero, and we're all talking about how the

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president is trying to rebuild America after Joe Biden's failures.
We'll talk about the why do we have a GOP
Congress anymore? They aren't getting anything done.

Speaker 2 (01:56):
It's getting so worrisome. I mean they recessed again today
this week. Uh then put in a full week and
you know, I look, he Speaker Johnson doesn't have a
big majority, so if he gets a couple going south,
I will just say this, it's been the case that
are our most strident or our most ardent conservatives can
fiscal conservatives have kind of teamed up with Democrats in

(02:18):
the past to block some of these spending bills. But
I would hope that it would be Uh, the bulk
of the Republicans, almost what should be a majority, are
ready to take those doughe cuts and make put them
into put them into the budget, memorialize them because it's
it's not a percentage, it's you. You can't be accused
of trying to harm people when you can literally show

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exactly down you know exactly what you're cutting or what
your what your budget's going to represent. If if the
moderates are the ones that push back on this and
keep us from getting a majority, that will be very,
very disappointing. And I hope that this that the Congress
is more inclined to cut that budget than to bloat
it out further.

Speaker 1 (02:57):
Yeah. Well, also coming up later on in the show.
All right, this is where we need our great listeners
to help us out today.

Speaker 5 (03:03):
Greg.

Speaker 1 (03:04):
The big news earlier this week, well, or one of
the big stories, was it Donald Trump wanted to reopen Alcatraz.

Speaker 2 (03:10):
I love that story.

Speaker 1 (03:11):
So we've been thinking all week about who we would
like to send to Alcatraz. Yes, you got a list,
but we want to hear from our listeners the one
person who you would like to send out.

Speaker 2 (03:22):
If you have a couple, I'm not limited to one.
I gotta I got a nice lineup.

Speaker 1 (03:26):
And I know something you've all been waiting for. My
interview with Barry Man alone. Oh, coming up a little
bit later on in this show.

Speaker 2 (03:32):
He's gonna he's gonna torture on that one too. He's
not gonna see We're not gonna play that in the
first hour. Henna, gotta wait.

Speaker 6 (03:38):
Man.

Speaker 2 (03:38):
You know, once you become you know, big close friends
with Barry, you know you've been here with a pep
in your stepping got important.

Speaker 1 (03:47):
Got away right now. Earlier this week, what was it Tuesday,
Wednesday Night, The brilliant leader of Salt Lake City announced
that the city is now going to have four new flags.

Speaker 2 (03:57):
Yeah all right, un serious.

Speaker 1 (03:59):
Yeah, could be. Someone called it political theatrics. Well, didn't
we have another display of that today in New Jersey?
Isn't that political theatrics again?

Speaker 7 (04:09):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (04:10):
But thankfully there's just stupid. They don't let the theatrics,
you know, carry the day. There were some consequences for
the conduct. What we're talking about is, uh, there's an
ice detention center in New Jersey and the Newark mayor
has been complaining about it. He thinks it's not right
for people there here illegally to be detained and deported,

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and he's been complaining about it. He and two Democrat
members of Congress waited until one of the buses coming
into the ice detention center opened, and they stormed the
gate defense to get inside the area, of which now
the federal agents are saying, you cannot come in here.
This is your trespassing. You need to leave.

Speaker 1 (04:49):
Well they didn't.

Speaker 2 (04:50):
They didn't, and so what happened. They got arrested. And
now the media wants to tell you that it's not
the you know that we should be concerned about criminals
and illegals that we have to deport. It's that. Look,
they arrested the mayor and these members of Congress who
came in, who were told over and over to please leave,
you need to leave. You're not This isn't an area
you're supposed to be in. And they knew it. They

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knew they want sure, and they had cameras there and
they had staffers there, and it was all meant to
be performative. But I don't think they were expecting the
consequence for breaking the law that every other American would
experience if they broke the law, and that is you're
going to get thrown in the clink. That's what they
got handcuffed.

Speaker 1 (05:29):
So what do they not understand of you broke the law?
They don't understand that. It's a pretty simple little message.
You broke the law, and there are comtanies And they.

Speaker 2 (05:39):
Were waiting for that gate to open. They knew that
they weren't allowed and they would already been deny. Again,
they're trying to obstruct justice. They're trying to obstruct the
ICE from the ICE is trying to get these criminals
that are here illegally off the streets to stop preying
upon Americans. These so called public servants are just on
the side putting more, spending, more political capital for, and
on behalf of illegal aliens than criminal illegal aliens. And

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they are the constituents they are supposed to represent.

Speaker 1 (06:03):
Yeah, One lawmaker was on Fox News with Martha McCallum
earlier and he described this congressman who is it greg
He described what happened.

Speaker 2 (06:11):
New Jersey Congressman Jeff Van Drew was asked what he
thought about all this, what was going on in his
home state of New Jersey. Again, he's a congressman. Two
of his Democrat colleagues have been arrested in the mayor
as well. Let's hear what he had to say about
this incident.

Speaker 8 (06:25):
What is your understanding of what happened here and what's
going on?

Speaker 9 (06:30):
Well, I don't know that any of us totally understand
what happened there. It's not understandable. It's people who are
supposed to be writing the laws, abiding by the laws,
believing the rule of law, and they are breaking the law.
And what's really disturbing that this happened in New Jersey.
In the state it is a sanctuary state declared by
the governor where we've spent money on god knows what,

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on clothing, housing, feeding, transporting and everything else with illegals. Now,
we don't want to send those illegals back to where
they belong that have been indicted or convicted at their
country of origin or in the United States. We don't
need that here in America, and we don't need it
here in New Jermany.

Speaker 2 (07:13):
Amazing, that's it. So so there you have it. Jeff Andrew,
he has a very interesting story. He had been in
their state Assembly and as a state senator as a Democrat.
I got elected in twenty eighteen as a Democrat, and
then he watched this Democrat party that looked nothing like
the one that he had grown up around, and he
switched to be a Republican in Congress and he's been
reelected since as a Republican. So he's exactly right. The

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mayor and these members of Congress, they are meant to
write laws and to respect the rule of law. They
swear an oath to support and defend the Constitution of
the United States, the constitution of their state, and they're
violating and they know they are, and they think that somehow.
I just think the Democrats have so unbelievably lost their way.
This is what this is the hill. They want to
fight four and on behalf of criminal illegal aliens and

(08:00):
not for their own constituents who those criminals would be
preying upon. Otherwise, it's almost surreal.

Speaker 1 (08:06):
Well, and they like you were you and I Greg
were saying, they have yet to figure out what is
wrong with their party. And you stand on issue that
has probably eight percent, maybe ten percent support of the
American people. The other ninety percent of us are saying, no,
they deserve to be in jail. They're here illegally, they
should be in jail, That's right. They do not get it,

(08:27):
and I don't know what it's going to take to
wake them up.

Speaker 2 (08:29):
So yeah, they're in denial. They don't understand, they have
no ideas, they have nothing that they're bringing to the
American people that resonates with the American people. All they
can do is complain about Trump. All they can do
is appear to be obstructionists. And when you ask them,
how did Trump win? Oh, America was a misogynist and
hated women and that's why they couldn't and racist, that's
why they can't vote for Kamala. They had nothing to

(08:51):
do with her, their track record of their administration, Biden
and Kamla, and it had nothing to do with her
inability to inspire anyone. It was all racism and misogyny
that allowed Trump to be elected. And so they live
in a completely distorted reality.

Speaker 1 (09:08):
Democrats get a clue. Maybe we don't want you to
keep this up long.

Speaker 2 (09:12):
Just keep keep, you know, keep breaking the law, keep
defending the criminals. I mean, I guess that's you.

Speaker 6 (09:18):
Be you.

Speaker 2 (09:18):
That's all I'm saying. You go be you. We love
when we'll keep reporting other people.

Speaker 1 (09:22):
When we come back on the Rotting Gregg Show on
this Friday afternoon, we'll talk about the President's efforts to
rebuild all the failures of the Biden administration on the
list goes on and on and on. We'll talk about
it coming up on The Rotting Gregg Show in Utah's
Talk Radio one oh five nine k n RS. You know,
the list of failures of the Biden administration is so long, Greg,

(09:43):
I don't know if we had if we would have
time to read each and every one of them during
the three hours of the show every day. No, this
just goes on and on and why would we It's depressing,
I mean it is. It really was out of hand.

Speaker 2 (09:56):
And you can just go from the Afghanistan withdrawal to
the I mean, there's just someone there is there's just
so much your nine percent inflation, you're all of it.
It just goes on and on. The Chinese balloon that
flew across the marit well, we just watched it. We'd
do anything.

Speaker 1 (10:09):
Well, speaking of there was a report out this week
the Taliban it took in three point four billion dollars
break in revenue over the last year, boosting its cash
supply by fourteen percent, all because of the sale of
American weapons that we left behind. Did you ever see
the numbers what we left behind. No, in Afghanistan. We

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left seventy eight aircraft, forty thousand military vehicles, over three
hundred thousand weapons in Afghanistan, and now the Taliban is
selling them.

Speaker 2 (10:41):
In making it You kin an a help, I mean,
and he does not. I just even today, as Democrats
are complaining that Biden and Jill keep showing up on
TV and they wanted to go away, they still don't
get real ownership over the things, the disasters they created.
They really don't they don't.

Speaker 4 (10:59):
Well.

Speaker 1 (10:59):
Joining us on our Newsmaker line to talk about the
President's efforts to rebuild America after all the Biden failures
is Jorge Martinez. He is a senior advisor National director
of Hispanic ount Reach. Thank you very much for joining
us this afternoon. Joorgey, how big of a task does
Donald Trump have in front of him as he seeks
to rebuild what Biden tore down?

Speaker 10 (11:20):
Well, listen, the reality is that President Trump has an
enormous task in rebuilding UH all on all the failures
of the Biden Harris administration, from the failed open border
policy to the failed Biden Amics plan, to you know,
all their their expensive spending, UH and all the damage

(11:43):
that they did across federal agencies. But President President Trump
is doing what Biden can never do, delivering results, restoring order,
and reigniting America's economic engine. And we are witnessing the
beginning of an American revival. Jobs for up, Inflation is
going down, costs of goods are going down, and securities

(12:04):
back on the agenda. So I'd say President Trump and
Vice President Vance are really doing a great job so far.

Speaker 2 (12:11):
There's been a lot of discussion this morning about the
trade deal with the UK that's been that's been hammered out,
looks like a great deal for the United States. Tell
me about globalism and this slide we saw this country
going into and then it seemed to go into a
precipitous fall in the last four years with Biden and Harris.
What's the difference between globalism and what we were living

(12:32):
through then and what we are living through and the
changes happening right now. What's the big difference.

Speaker 10 (12:38):
Well, I think the difference is that the Biden Harris
administration put America last, and you know, compared to that
the president is putting America first. You saw the April
jobs report which crushed expectations, the market reaction that's rooted
and confidence around Trump's leadership which compared to fight. And

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there's record inflation, stagnant wages, the cost of gast out
a forty year high. And again under Trump, presidents are dropping,
wages are rising, and really that pro growth agenda and
his tariff strategy has attracted so far over seven trillion
dollars in private investment, kicks starting and manufacturing boom, and

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consumer prices are falling. So it really is debunking the
liberal economists false teriflation narratives that we hear every day
on mainstream media. So, you know, continuing that focus, putting
America first and doing what's in the best interest of
the American people is what this administration will keep on doing.

Speaker 1 (13:44):
You know, org Hey, one of the things that he
talked about is, and I think one of his really
early achievements now has been when it comes to immigration,
what do you say during that address to Congress, We
don't need any new laws, We just need a new president.
It's pretty amazing. Apparently that's all it took.

Speaker 11 (14:00):
What is.

Speaker 5 (14:03):
That?

Speaker 12 (14:04):
Certainly is all it took.

Speaker 10 (14:05):
And we heard Joe Biden and Kamala Harris saying, oh,
we need new legislation, we need new authorities, and that's.

Speaker 5 (14:13):
Not the case.

Speaker 10 (14:14):
President Trump, as promised when he came in on day one,
he closed the border and he delivered illegal crossings that
are at a fifteen year low, with operational controls finally
being achieved. Unlike the Biden Harris open border disaster, Trump
declared a national emergency, reinstated remain in Mexico, shut down

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the CBP one app, and he launched the largest deportation
operation in US history, specifically targeting vicious gangs that are
terrorizing American communities and American families like MS thirteen and
Trenda Adwa from Venezuela. All these people are being identified

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the TAK and deported so that we can continue ensuring
the safety and security of the American people. There are
some places in the southern border where we're seeing a
decline of almost ninety five percent and illegal crossing. So
this president and this administration is not only putting border

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security and the safety of the American people at the forefront,
but they're giving law enforcement authorities all the tools that
are already on the book to really truly do their
job and that those results. We're seeing it day to
day to day.

Speaker 2 (15:38):
What do you see, how do you see the Republican
controlled Congress, so the House in the Senate? Are are
they going to stemy this president and his agenda? Are
they going to actually get the things done that he wants?
Dose has given them a map, He's given Congress a
map for a budget where they can cut and they're
not going to cut people's benefits. They're going to cut
waste and fraud. But I'm not hearing good things coming

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out of the Washington right now, there seems to be
a lot of frustration like they won't have the fiscal
discipline to get a bit a bill like that passed.
What's your prediction with our Congress? Are they going to
be able to help the president achieve the agenda he
set out to do.

Speaker 5 (16:13):
Well?

Speaker 10 (16:14):
I think if they're smart, they will, they will do
the right thing and support President's President Trump's agenda and
focus to put America first and to really truly save
this country. UH and and return to an era of
prosperity and greatness. It behoo's the leadership of the US

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Congress and the House and the Senate UH to really
pass thrue you know, UH reform that cuts waitful spending.

Speaker 4 (16:44):
UH.

Speaker 10 (16:44):
Pass tax cuts that are you know, make those tax
cuts permanent that we saw that worked so well in
the first administration, and and put this country in the
past to success so that everyone has an opportunity to
achieve the America Green regardless of where they are, where
they live, et cetera. You know, I believe that the

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data is undeniable, the movement is unstoppable, and President Trump
is not just talking about American greatness. He's proving it.
The America First Agenda is back, it's stronger, it's bolder,
it's delivering results for the American people, and they can
see and feel it. So if Congress is smart, they
will they will support the legislative agenda and the spending

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agenda that the President has outlined and deliver for the
American people.

Speaker 1 (17:32):
On our Any our Newsmaker line, that is Jorge Martinez,
senior advisor at the National Director of Hispanic Outreach, talking
about the challenges facing Donald Trump as he tries to
rebuild what Biden has torn down. Now, if you just
get Congress to go along, Greg, would be amazing what
would happen.

Speaker 2 (17:48):
And about we've had progress, He's actually shown some getting
some votes some in with that razor within majority. But
he's going to do I think it's really on Trump's shoulders.
It shouldn't have to be, but I think it's gonna
have to be on his shoulders to get something done
with that.

Speaker 1 (18:02):
That Congress put the pressure on them. More coming up
it is to think Rod at Greg. It's Friday edition
of the Rod and Greg Show on Utah's Talk Radio
one oh five nine k n RS.

Speaker 2 (18:13):
Well with our list. Okay, for those that deserve to
spend the rest of their born days at out in Alcatraz.
It doesn't have to just be political.

Speaker 1 (18:19):
No, there's a lot of people, anybody.

Speaker 2 (18:21):
I got some people in mind that it won't even
be political. I just there's some people that need to
get thrown in the clink and need to go to Alcatraz. Yeah,
and they're not political.

Speaker 1 (18:28):
We'll get your calls. But right now, let's talk about Congress.
I mean, what is it about Congress? I mean we
have a GOP controlled House, a GOP controlled Senate. It
is tied to the House. We understand that. But they're
getting very little done. So why do we have them?

Speaker 2 (18:42):
I I'm telling you we're in a critical time right now.
We will if we have a majority, and we do
and we don't get anything done with how how will
it be in the primaries that we get real Republicans
or do we turn it over the Democrats. It's a worry.

Speaker 1 (18:57):
Sehn Fleetwood is with the Federalist. He wrote about that,
all right, Seoan answered that question, why do we have
a GOP controlled Congress if nothing's getting done?

Speaker 13 (19:05):
That always seems to be the key question, right, I
think it's easier to talk about what's not going on,
and that, unfortunately is the advancement of President Trump's agenda.

Speaker 14 (19:15):
Congress.

Speaker 13 (19:15):
The Republicans have had control of both houses of Congress
since early January, and we really don't have anything to
show for it. I mean, the Senate has confirmed a
lot of the president's cabinet picks and some of his nominees.
But now what we're really focusing on is reconciliation, right,
and President Trump's priorities tax cuts, order security, and things
of that nature. But what we've been seeing with kind

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of the negotiations that have been going on is this
really reluctance and refusal among a lot of mainstream establishment
Republicans to cut spending. So earlier this week you had
a report that came out that a coalition of House
Republicans are fighting Leadership's bid to cut federal taxpayer subsidiation

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from going to Planned Parenthood, obviously the largest abortion provider
in the United States. We also have Republicans that are
fighting reforms and reductions to Medicaid and fully repealing parts
of President Biden's Inflation Reduction Act.

Speaker 14 (20:11):
And so basically what you.

Speaker 13 (20:12):
Have here is a party that just does not have
a concrete worldview. They are comprised of different factions with
different priorities, and the idea of pushing forward a conservative
America First agenda, which is something that a lot of
the base supports, it isn't really present in what we're
seeing in our elected officials in Congress.

Speaker 2 (20:33):
So my greatest confusion is that I thought the Democrats
had always done well of any Republican proposed budget cut.
They could come up with the most draconian scenario and
then throw that they want to throw old ladies off
of cliffs, and they want to starve children and whatever
it may be. When you have doge finding the receipts,
when you find that the cuts that could come really

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are from fraud and are from waste, whatever you want
to call it, and there's plenty of it, then I
don't know where the political will lax because you have
receipts for the first time in your cuts that you
didn't have before. So what are they afraid of? What
are you afraid of? If you have documented that they
have fraudulently spent, that they have wasted what they had

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for the purposes of preserving those very entitlement programs. What
is keeping these rhinos, these Republicans from supporting that.

Speaker 13 (21:25):
I mean, I think the part of it is, you know,
maybe it's lobbyists on the back end. And then also
part of it is that they just don't believe what
they're actually saying.

Speaker 14 (21:33):
They like to use things.

Speaker 13 (21:34):
Like those as a cover to excuse me, obvious state,
you know, their real interest, which is just maintaining the
status quote in Washington, there is no reason that we
should be going.

Speaker 14 (21:44):
To back to pre pandemic excuse me levels of spending.

Speaker 13 (21:50):
I mean, we're running trillions and trillions of dollars more,
and yet we're not seeing that those cuts reflected in
ongoing reconciliation process.

Speaker 1 (21:58):
Sean, let me ask you this is the president. Is
the President willing to put any pressure on Congress to
get things done? Is he's sitting back and trying to
see what they're going to be doing. Did you expect
more pressure from the White House to get some of
these things done? What's your take on that.

Speaker 13 (22:13):
Part of my frustration with the President is that he
really hasn't been offering a lot of pressure to the
moderates that we've seen in the past when it comes
to more conservative members.

Speaker 14 (22:22):
Like Chip Roy, like Thomas Massey, and.

Speaker 13 (22:24):
So I think, if you're the president, you really want
to solidify your legacy into law, you need to put
the pressure on these moderates.

Speaker 14 (22:32):
Right.

Speaker 13 (22:32):
We saw this earlier this week with the nomination and
the Senate of Ed Martin to be the attorney for DC.
You had Tom Tillis, Senator from North Carolina, come out
in opposition to him, and the President was basically indifferent.
He said, you know, the Senate's going to do what
it's going to do, and he ultimately Withdrew Martin's nomination.
I think if you really want to see your agenda
and your priorities push forward, you need to be out

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there making those pressures on the moderates, on the establishment members,
to let them know that you mean business and that
you're going to put your agenda through and the agenda
that the American people voted for.

Speaker 2 (23:05):
So I saw a statistic that said that by this
point in President Biden's term, his auto penet signed eleven
bills in the legislation so far, President Trump assigned five.
It's the lowest legislative output since nineteen fifty three. Let's
I don't want to be a fatalist. But let's imagine
that this GOP controlled Congress does not deliver as advertised.
Does that mean that we have primaries where Republican majorities

(23:29):
will be majorities of people that are ready to cut
budgets and do what's been promised. Or do we lose
the majority in the House or even the Senate to
the Democrats.

Speaker 13 (23:40):
I think it's a very real chance that we would
lose the majority. I think what the Republicans just failed
to realize or they just choose to ignore, is that
their failure and inability to actually fulfill their promises is
why they lose elections. I think the Democrats they just
pushed the envelope to the extreme every time they get power.
Republicans always campaign when they're out of power, saying we're

(24:03):
gonna reverse this, We're gonna overturn this. Right, we saw
this with Obamacare. Then they get power, and what do
they do. They do absolutely nothing. They lose power again,
and the cycle repeats itself where they'd say, just to
let us, we're gonna beat the Democrats, We're gonna overturn.

Speaker 14 (24:16):
What they do, and they never ultimately do so.

Speaker 13 (24:19):
The best way that you can actually boost your reelection
chances is to fulfill the promises that you made. And
whether they ultimately do that, we'll have to see. But
that's going to be incoming upon the President. It's going
to be incombing upon us as the American people to
make our voices heard and make sure that they follow through.

Speaker 1 (24:34):
Sean, can Thune and Johnson get the job done in Congress?
Can they lead and get it done?

Speaker 11 (24:42):
I mean.

Speaker 13 (24:44):
Asking me to put my faith in Mike Johnson given
his track record as Speaker is pretty difficult. But again,
I think the president and he's the head of the
Republican Party, He's the one who is king maker and
he's the one who really.

Speaker 14 (24:57):
Has the power and influence. So, you know, can Johnson
and didn't get it done?

Speaker 13 (25:01):
I really think that's going to be incoming upon how
much pressure, pressure that the President is willing.

Speaker 14 (25:06):
To put on these GOP members of Congress.

Speaker 1 (25:08):
On our newspaper line, Sean Fleetwood from the Federalist talking
about Congress getting the job done? More coming up on
the Rod and Greg Show and Talk Radio one oh
five nine k n RS.

Speaker 2 (25:18):
We had the big news that that Trump said that
he'd like to consider the idea of refurbishing, expanding and
reopening Alcatraz.

Speaker 1 (25:30):
It said that. I think it was on Meet the
Press with Kristen Welker on Sunday a week ago.

Speaker 2 (25:34):
Sunday, we have jailed shortages.

Speaker 1 (25:36):
Yeah yeah, boy did that ever create a flare store?

Speaker 2 (25:39):
And I like to do I'm at a loss as
to why. I mean, if we think we need more
jail beds, if we think there's if you don't want
to Scott Jennings point on CNN to his leftist panelists, there,
if you're so worried about sending people out of country,
why not have a better facility that's in UH makes
sense and in the United States. I I've even said
that if they were illegal aliens, that were criminal illegal

(26:01):
aliens that are there, I would I think that there
should be a standing agreement that if they were to
break out of the new and improved and advanced UH
Correctional facility and swim that icy water the two miles
to get to it to shore, then they have earned
their citizenship. That is uniquely American to be able to
be that resilient, that tough, and be able to sneak
out get out of a maximum security prison, swim two

(26:25):
miles in the icy ocean with sharks in it. Get
on the other side. Welcome to America, home of the Freeland.

Speaker 1 (26:31):
I want to encourage people to escape now.

Speaker 2 (26:33):
I want to. I want to say, look, it's there.
It's just that it's a it's it's there. If you
can do it, and it's you know.

Speaker 1 (26:40):
Escape swim nearly two miles and if you make it,
then then you earned it.

Speaker 2 (26:46):
See I think that's are actually earning it. I think
that would be that would be impressive. So I'm I'm
I think that's kind of my take. But I've got
a great list here. I'm ready to go with my
list if who needs to go with this Alcatraz when
they fix it up.

Speaker 1 (26:59):
We have both toured Alcatraz. Yes, I wonder how the
tours are going right now. I bet this week was
their busiest week ever.

Speaker 2 (27:06):
Well, you burge in and see it fast before they
go to close it and then refurbish it. Some people
have complained, Oh, it's very dark, it's very dreary, it's
very it's very depressing.

Speaker 1 (27:14):
Isn't that what a president is supposed to be?

Speaker 2 (27:15):
It is, and you know I thought that it was.
You know, I did leave and I saw this about
I had to be more than twenty years ago, years ago,
but I left there thinking what a waste, Like I
think it could still be used. I did, I really
did think, like these are still jail cells, Like it's
a it's a tourist attraction. But why not. I mean,
what's what's wrong with the jail out there on Alcatraz Island?

Speaker 1 (27:37):
And I think it's run now by the National Park
Service or something right, And they were asked after the
President made its comments, could you do this? And they say,
we'll do what the President wants us to do. I
think the great argument these illegal criminals in this country,
instead of shipping them to Salvador, send them to Alcatraz.
That takes one of the arguments away from the Democrats.

(27:59):
Well you can send them out of the country. Guess
what we aren't. We're sending them to Alcatraz.

Speaker 2 (28:05):
And you know what we should maybe you should do.
I'm just reading this this tweet from Stephen Miller from
the White House today. Democratic officials riotously stormed and invaded
an ICE facility to secure the release of the following
criminals in terraces here illegally. And then it goes through
this list of these nightmare people that they were detaining
there at that facility, that maybe they should go to Alcatraz.

(28:25):
They should go to Alcatraz in for a little while.
Not maybe not for life, but maybe they would be
thrown in the clink for a while.

Speaker 1 (28:31):
Well, see, if we had an Alcatraz, these democratic nutcases
wouldn't be able to invade and cause disruption.

Speaker 2 (28:37):
You know, they could circle in boats maybe I don't know,
yelling yelling from you know, a boat, bull worns or something. Okay,
let me start off. Can I start off?

Speaker 1 (28:45):
Well, let us tell you what we're doing. Okay, shell,
we shall Yes, this is a very large facility. Yes,
so there's a lot of room there, Yes, Atcatraz. So
we thought, all right, put your boys and girls, put
your little thinking caps on right now, because we'd like
to know who you think you would like to send Alcatraz.
Who should go to Alcatraz?

Speaker 2 (29:06):
Yes, right, yes, Now, let me so my criteria. I'll
just throw out a couple I have quite a list,
I've been working on it, but I'm just gonna throw
out a couple concepts. Okay, this is how you get
on my list to go to Calcatraz. It's one thing
if you're a leftist lunatic, but you've kind of been
like you're a Bernie. Bernie's never let consistency get in
his way. He's never let the fact that he gets

(29:27):
rich while he cries and screams about the rich getting
his way. He's kind of been the same guy. So
while he annoys me, he's kind of true to his.

Speaker 1 (29:36):
Yeah, kind but in private jazz and the truth.

Speaker 2 (29:39):
When I say true to himself, I mean the true hypocrite,
true oligarchy, whatever. But he doesn't get me as mad
as traders like like a like Anthony Fauci, who was
in charge under multiple administrations without regard to party. He
was supposed to be the even handed medical guy he is.
He is a liar. He should be there.

Speaker 1 (30:00):
He would be your first prison.

Speaker 2 (30:01):
Yeah. I think he's doing such one huge jam. I
would put him. I'd put him in stripes and I
have him with the little ankle ones on and just
like shuffle his way in there.

Speaker 1 (30:10):
Yes, number one is Anthony Fauci. Yes, even though he
hasn't broken the law, Oh yes he has.

Speaker 4 (30:15):
He totally.

Speaker 2 (30:16):
He's lied to Congress. He's done tons of he's done tonnels, so.

Speaker 1 (30:19):
You can say if they've broken the law or if
they're just annoyed. Yeah, but remember alf Anthony Fauci was
supposed to be nonpartisan.

Speaker 4 (30:26):
He was.

Speaker 2 (30:27):
He was lasting, you know, he was in Democrat as
well as Republican administrations, and he was absolutely all in
for himself and for you know, biochemical warfare at his profit. Second, guy,
this is one that you aren't going to expect.

Speaker 10 (30:41):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (30:42):
I think Joe Scarborough from the Morning Joe, I think this.
I think former Republican congressman from Florida, former Conservative congressman
from Florida, gets on that Morning Joe show, leaves his wife,
hooks up with Mike as a co host there while
they're doing the show. He is the biggest. So the hypocrites,
I think the people that were Republicans and and were

(31:03):
with us and then flipped, I think that that they're traitors.
Their hypocrites. I think they go higher than your you know,
you're Chuck Schumer or something like that. So I would
I would throw Joe Scarborough on the clint.

Speaker 1 (31:15):
Okay, I've got a couple.

Speaker 6 (31:17):
Now.

Speaker 1 (31:17):
Now we want your nominations as well. Who you think
we should send eighty eight eight five seven O eights
or a one zero eight eight eight five seven O
eights or a one zero. Like we said, very large facility,
so there's a lot of room, so our list could
be very very long. I have a couple of ideas, okay,
Stephen Colbert and Jimmy Kimmel.

Speaker 2 (31:35):
Yes, but not together. No, No, separate.

Speaker 1 (31:38):
Them, No, I'd put them in the same cell.

Speaker 2 (31:40):
Well, yeah, they get beat up faster that way. Yeah, okay,
because they're just annoyed. Yes, okay, here's one that will
surprise you. Okay, John Roberts. You mean the Supreme Chief
Chief Justice, So yeah, for being for being yeah, for
being hypocritical and whatever they have on them, folker, let
me tell you something. They've got something on him. When

(32:02):
I say they, I mean the left of They got
something on him because he just flipped his entire judas
jur jurisprudence and his his history of how he voted
for things. He's flipped on his head, and that means
they have something on him. So yeah, send him in there.
I like that idea. Yeah, that's a good yea.

Speaker 1 (32:17):
Yeah, eight eight eight five seven eights ear old one
zero eight eight eight five seven eighths earl one zero.
Where taking your suggestions, And like we said, that's a
big facility, so or a list can be very long.
We've had a few ideas already, you know, but we
want your ideas. You have more on your list, I
know you do.

Speaker 2 (32:33):
I do.

Speaker 1 (32:34):
Okay, go ahead, okay.

Speaker 2 (32:36):
The owner of the Pittsburgh Pirates, Bob Nudding. He has
destroyed that team. I mean, it's it's been a long
slog being a Pittsburgh Pirates fan, but he has particularly
taken the most beautiful ballpark and now we have one
of the greatest pictures and he has just destroyed that team.
He needs to go to Alcatraz. He needs to go there.
Will Smith, Wow? Really, why will Chris rock in the

(32:57):
face that during the oscars? That guy is the worst.
I think he he never got arrested for that. He
never he never got went to jail for that. The
whole world saw. I'm committed, you know, assault and battery.
He needs to go to Alcatraz.

Speaker 1 (33:08):
Al Right, here's another one I think from Utah, Aaron Mendenhole.
Oh yes, the mayor of faking to be a mayor.
If we're going to go into the women's wing. I've
got a few nominees over here, so we have a
women's weight when yeah, I got a women's we got
another woman's suggestion, let me throw mine out for okay,
Susan Rice. Oh yes, the world around? What is she

(33:29):
still doing around?

Speaker 2 (33:31):
I don't know. I I'll tell you this a non
political one. But I and I don't know that this
she this person needs to be a lifer. But in
the women's wing, I think Bill Belichick's new girlfriend, she
needs to go to jail for why they need to
get adia to separate those two for a while. Get
Bill Belichick's like fifties, fifty years older than her, I think,
get her into Alcatraz, get her, you know, separate, separate

(33:52):
those two. She's been bad, bad news for him.

Speaker 1 (33:54):
All right, we're looking for your phone call, so we
don't all open up the phones to you now eighty
eight eight five seven o eight or one zero eight
eight eight five seven o eight zero one zero, or
on your cell phone dial pound two fifty and say hey, Rod,
we'll take a break and then get to your calls.
Who would you like to send to Alcatraz?

Speaker 2 (34:10):
Ladies and gentlemen, we want to know not if but
when the president opens reopens Alcatraz, revamped, maximum security, more capacity.
Who would you nominate to be some of its first
prisoners to attend there? We have quite the list, a
star sud list of those that are well reserved. Yes,

(34:31):
I want to go to you, the callers and hear
what you have to say about it. Let's go to
Scott in West Valley. Scott, thank you for holding and
welcome to the Rod and Greg Show.

Speaker 1 (34:45):
Let's see.

Speaker 2 (34:48):
Are you there? Scott?

Speaker 1 (34:49):
Let me make sure we got them? We should be there,
should be there? Where do we go? Scott? I'm trying
to get them hear me? Yeah, go ahead, go ahead?
There you now, Scott?

Speaker 4 (35:02):
Hello, Okay, you hear me?

Speaker 1 (35:04):
Go ahead?

Speaker 2 (35:05):
Thanks?

Speaker 4 (35:05):
Okay, sorry about that. Yeah, hey, thanks for having me on.
But and I hate to be a party prooper, but
reopening Alcatraz is just stupid. I mean what you know?
So I just kind of top of my head. I
was thinking the capacities around the mid two hundreds. I'm driving,
so I couldn't check it out.

Speaker 2 (35:26):
But Sirius said, series you cut out just for a second, Scott, It'll.

Speaker 4 (35:34):
Cost millions and three hundred and twelve. It'll cost millions
and millions of dollars to reopen that place. It was
closed because it was uneconomical. You gotta ship all the
food and water and fairies. And you know, I don't

(35:57):
I haven't heard that we're running out federal prisons base.
You know, Levenworth, Kansas not a happy place to go to.
And you know, the reason Trump is sending prisoners out
of the country is because he doesn't want him on
US territory. That's part of the thing. So anyway, man.

Speaker 5 (36:19):
It's.

Speaker 1 (36:21):
Like, I just, isn't it a fun idea to think
about those? Scott? I mean, if we're just having a
little fun.

Speaker 2 (36:26):
With it's three hundred beds, but what if we made
it tell stories? High huh, Scott? We gotta think, you know.

Speaker 4 (36:34):
I mean, you know, when you've got an audience your size,
it's good to have some fun, but be talking about
stuff that's worthy of your audience.

Speaker 2 (36:45):
All right, Scott, It's true?

Speaker 1 (36:50):
Who is that you're removed?

Speaker 7 (36:51):
High control?

Speaker 11 (36:52):
He's leaving.

Speaker 1 (36:53):
Now here's Greg in Salt Lake City wants to weigh
in on this tonight, Greg, how are you welcome to
the Rod and Greg Show?

Speaker 15 (37:01):
Oh dear, hey, everybody, your president brad By the family
take ten or older.

Speaker 2 (37:08):
There you go. You know that that fills the women's
wing and the men's wing of this of this of Alcatraz. Yes,
I think all overdue and and and it's not hard
to prosecute either.

Speaker 15 (37:18):
Huh right and carry have baby one or two other?

Speaker 2 (37:22):
Sure?

Speaker 1 (37:23):
Sure?

Speaker 15 (37:24):
All right, everybody gets solved.

Speaker 2 (37:27):
Yeah, there you go. Yes, the view that's the women's wing.
That that is all do not pass, go go straight
directly to jail.

Speaker 15 (37:35):
And also the producer and directors of that program. Everybody
should be on Alcatrau.

Speaker 2 (37:42):
That's right.

Speaker 16 (37:43):
And uh, I'm sorry, go ahead, no go no you
and one last person and this is just a personal
dislike the governor of the state of Utah.

Speaker 1 (37:56):
I wondered if that would come up. I wonder if
that would come up. Great dude, all right, back to
the phones we go. Let's go to Brian and Bluffdale. Tonight. Brian,
how are you welcome to the Roden greg show.

Speaker 4 (38:08):
I'm laughing at the governor of Utah. So that's great
that it came up.

Speaker 8 (38:14):
But Peter, Peter Dazak and and and Peter Marx, you
guys know who they are.

Speaker 1 (38:22):
They were were they involved in Wuhan and all of that,
all that that research fundation. That that's what I thought, Brian.

Speaker 6 (38:28):
Absolutely all of that.

Speaker 8 (38:29):
And they were working in conjunction with with Fauci and
and and the fact that Fauci isn't going down in
in like a hurricane fashion is pre astounding to me.

Speaker 2 (38:42):
It is to me too. That's why he was number
one on my list. That Peter Marx. Now I think
I recalled he he overruled like the fd A on
on approving something yes, and he approved things that there
were failing clinical tests and he and he overrode the decision. Yeah,
I know, Yeah, he deserves to get thrown in the clink.

(39:04):
Good call.

Speaker 1 (39:04):
All right, Brian, let's go to Terry and Ogden. Terry,
how are you welcome to the Rod and Greg Show?
Who do we send Alcatraz.

Speaker 12 (39:10):
Terry Adam shifty Ship?

Speaker 2 (39:14):
Oh yes, yep. We might put him in the front
of the line. He's he is, he's right, Yeah, he'll
fecond Yep. I think that's a very good one. I
think he deserves it. Now, if you're from California, I
was gonna add Governor Gavin Newsom, but I'm afraid because
he's been, he's been, he's the governor of California's gonna
have some tunnel out of there.

Speaker 1 (39:34):
I'm afraid here.

Speaker 2 (39:34):
I'm afraid he'll be a prison break and he'll cheat.

Speaker 1 (39:37):
Well, you know what he'll do.

Speaker 2 (39:38):
He'll ship would do the same thing.

Speaker 1 (39:40):
He'll slick back his hair, he'll unbutton his top button,
he'll look real pretty, and he'll talk somebody out of
sending him there. That's what will happen.

Speaker 2 (39:48):
To know, he'd get away with it.

Speaker 5 (39:49):
Two.

Speaker 2 (39:50):
He seems to be a silver tongue that way. Let's
go to Abby, who's an Orham? Abby, thank you for rolling.
Welcome to the Rodding Gregg Show. Who would you send
to the Alcatraz?

Speaker 1 (40:03):
Hello? Abby?

Speaker 5 (40:04):
Are you there?

Speaker 2 (40:05):
Abby?

Speaker 4 (40:06):
Oh?

Speaker 17 (40:06):
I'm right, I would send the Golden State Killer.

Speaker 14 (40:09):
I think he is prime for that place.

Speaker 2 (40:12):
You know, I had to look that up. I saw
you on wiscond That guy is scary.

Speaker 1 (40:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (40:15):
I mean he's in jail now, but I think he
needs to go to a more maximum security prison. He
that guy was, he was like they thought that was
three different serial killers. It turned out to be the
same lunatic.

Speaker 1 (40:26):
Alcatraz is made for that guy. Yeah, you're absolutely right.
All right, more your nomination. No, we're having a little
fun on this Friday as you work your way home.
The President talked on Sunday on Meet the Press and
he's thinking about reopening Alcatraz. He thinks a pretty good idea. Yeah,
we kind of do too. Eight eight eight five seven
eight zero one zero eight eight eight five seven o
eight zero one zero. Who do you think we should

(40:48):
send to Alcatraz? Your calls and comments coming up on
The Rodden Greg Show. So we're having a little fun
with that idea today and taking your suggestions as to
who we should send.

Speaker 2 (40:58):
Yes, it's like a happy place in my mind that
people will meet justice as it's been overdue. I'm gonna
throw out another one, Latitia James for me. Okay, she's
a hypocrite. One after the president's charging with these crimes
and then find out she's committing real estate frauds shamelessly
and blatantly. She's to go to the women's wing. Send
her there.

Speaker 1 (41:17):
Eight zero one zero. Back to the phones we go.
Let's talk with Diana in Alpine tonight. Diana, how are you?
Thanks for joining us?

Speaker 12 (41:27):
Hey, I'm great.

Speaker 17 (41:28):
I really appreciate your guys's politics. I love your humor
and I want to help you finish filling up the
women's wins. I can't believe we haven't. I can't believe
we haven't heard Hillary's name yet.

Speaker 2 (41:43):
There you go, ao.

Speaker 17 (41:46):
Nancy Pelosi for everything that's ever come out of her
mouth and agree. Yeah, I agree with what Greg said
about Latitia James.

Speaker 5 (41:55):
Yes.

Speaker 4 (41:56):
And then I want to add to the list.

Speaker 17 (41:59):
Everybody that those have found that has been money laundering,
stealing from US taxpayers.

Speaker 1 (42:07):
You know what the problem with that, Diana is. I
don't know if the prison is big enough for all
those people to be honest frauds.

Speaker 2 (42:16):
I'll tell you what they are, an engine.

Speaker 1 (42:18):
Yeah, they are all right, Dana. Thank you for your
nice compliment. Thanks for listening with your suggestion.

Speaker 2 (42:23):
Okay, let's go down to Richard in Springville. Richard, welcome
to the Rod and Greg Show.

Speaker 18 (42:28):
Yes, sir, yeah, I kind of I rather agree with
that fellow that doesn't think it's a good idea for Alcatraz. Okay,
and also I have a follow up question for you, Greg,
you can check. I'm dying to know so many questions here,
but okay, the best place, all right, the United States
Coast Guard has a station way out there one of

(42:50):
the Illusion.

Speaker 1 (42:51):
Islands, Ah, Illusion Island, Alaska, Alaska Islands.

Speaker 2 (42:58):
Richard, you might be onto some than here. We could
call it Alcatraz two point zero.

Speaker 5 (43:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (43:05):
Not only would it be way out there, Richard, it
would be cold as daylights.

Speaker 2 (43:09):
Yeah, yeah, even better.

Speaker 18 (43:11):
Well, the Soviets, the Soviets, the Russian's got oh that
place up north. The name escapes me, uh, Siberia. Well
we have no Siberia. Yeah, that'll be close enough. And
also there's also should put a an execution uh system

(43:34):
out there, you know, yeah, there you go.

Speaker 1 (43:38):
I didn't even think about Alaska Islands out there.

Speaker 2 (43:42):
Look, you know I found out that Alcatraz Island was
man made?

Speaker 19 (43:46):
Did they?

Speaker 2 (43:46):
I guess they did it back then to protect the
bay during the World I guess world what. Yeah, so
it had some practical reasons for building it. But look,
if we want to build a bigger, better and we
want to go to Alaska, you're not getting you know,
I can't push back for me. Let's go to Dan
and salth Jordan, Dan, thank you for holding. Welcome to
the Thank greg is Friday edition to the show.

Speaker 5 (44:09):
Yeah, thank you.

Speaker 19 (44:10):
Guys wrong the show. You guys are awesome, Greg, You're
my hero.

Speaker 2 (44:14):
Thank you, brother.

Speaker 19 (44:17):
We probably got to go first off with the root
of all evil, George Sorows. Yes, I just got his
hand in the d n C, and then probably followed
closely by man I mean, Anthony Fauci, I get up
right behind him with anybody involved with the whole COVID

(44:38):
thing with it. It's that's I don't think they should
even remodel out as is Crow Biden, everybody out there
and maybe a couple of guys with a machine gun
and then call it good exactly.

Speaker 1 (44:53):
You know, I love your idea of George Sorows, but
can we add his son to that? From what I
understand and what I've read, he is even worse than
his father when it comes to the progressive.

Speaker 19 (45:05):
Absolutely try to get the whole world economics for him.

Speaker 1 (45:10):
There we go, all right, Dan, thank you appreciate your calls.
Eight eight eight five seven o eight zero one zero
triple eight five seven o eight zero one zero. Back
to the phones we go. Let's go to Eric in
Salt Lake City tonight here on the Rodden Great show. Eric,
how are you? Thanks for joining us?

Speaker 10 (45:26):
Hey, guys, I'm doing good, but uh, we got to
add and I'm surprised that somebody hasn't said it yet, but.

Speaker 18 (45:32):
There was this lady that unalived a guy named Epstein
back in the day and then ran for president. And
I don't think she's paid for that crime yet.

Speaker 1 (45:46):
Yes, Hillary.

Speaker 7 (45:50):
Epstein did not.

Speaker 5 (45:52):
You're right.

Speaker 2 (45:53):
You're right. There was Eden hang himself either, you're right,
and cameras were off when that happened.

Speaker 1 (46:00):
Easiest thing, cameras We're off. All right, more of your
phone calls coming up. It is the rondic Right Show.
If you want to be a part of it, we're
looking for your suggestions as to who we should send
to Alcatraz eight eight eight five seven o eight zero
one zero triple eight five seven o eight zero one zero.
You've got to prepare the food. Well, no, well, I
got an assignment.

Speaker 2 (46:18):
I got i'm as desserts. Yeah, I know. They sent
a long list and I exhausted me so I wouldn't
even reply. And they said, are you going to step up?
I said, you got to give a list that I
can even like, want to read dessert? Yeah, give me
be more specific. So now now I'm specific, but here's
the deal. While we are away on over the Break,
we got a recommendation for Bill Gates as the most

(46:41):
evil human on the planet, should be an Alcatraz forever.
And then with that I must include also my dumb
friend Dye. He needs to go to Alcatraz. Do not
pass go straight to jail.

Speaker 1 (46:51):
You're a poor friend.

Speaker 2 (46:52):
Yeah, do you need to go to jail?

Speaker 1 (46:54):
He's a good guy. David is in South Georgia wants
to make his suggestion tonight. David, how are you welcome
to the Rod and Greg Joe?

Speaker 20 (47:02):
Thanks, you guys have some really fun topics.

Speaker 4 (47:05):
I'd like to make a slightly.

Speaker 20 (47:06):
Different suggestion instead of sending Instead of sending the Alcatraz,
put them on the automatic organ donor transplant for any
duplicate organ.

Speaker 2 (47:18):
Okay, okay, David, are we getting darker? Are we harvesting organs?

Speaker 11 (47:22):
Now?

Speaker 2 (47:22):
Did we go a little too far here? I don't know.
It might it might be a good idea, But.

Speaker 4 (47:26):
Are we getting too dark at all?

Speaker 2 (47:28):
Okay? Okay, okay, dark at all?

Speaker 20 (47:30):
Because they're they're actually helping the community that they've sabotaged
by helping improve somebody else's life specifically.

Speaker 1 (47:38):
Okay, I think that.

Speaker 2 (47:41):
I'm open to contests. Okay, I'm open to it. I
believe in justice and we need to we need to
deliver justice, and I think that however we need to
do it. Let's we should leave all options on the table.
They should all be on the table.

Speaker 1 (47:54):
Let's go to Toby and Roy.

Speaker 2 (47:57):
Yes, Toby, welcome to the Rod and Greg Show.

Speaker 4 (48:01):
Hey, great to talk to you guys.

Speaker 21 (48:03):
Another you guys show.

Speaker 7 (48:04):
Thank you. Hey.

Speaker 21 (48:07):
I want to piggyback off that Lucian Islands comment. I
used to walk on an island called Johnson Island in
the middle of the Pacific Ocean. If you google it,
it's like a floating runway. It used to be an
old military base and now they turned it into a
nature sanctuary.

Speaker 4 (48:22):
If they weren't escape.

Speaker 21 (48:23):
From there, they'd have to send them about three thousand
miles to the New Peace of Land.

Speaker 1 (48:29):
Would you would we even need a prison, Tobe? Could
we just drop them off on the island and let them.

Speaker 21 (48:36):
Yeah, they have a deceianization plant there as well. And
I'd like to put a Barack and Michelle Obama in alcatraz.

Speaker 2 (48:45):
I wondered if that was going to go to John's
is it called Johnson Island.

Speaker 1 (48:48):
Yeah, Johnson Island. That Yeah, we'll google that. Back to
the phones we go. Let's go to uh Jerome in
Leyton tonight here on the Rod and Greg Show. Hey Jerome,
how are you now?

Speaker 6 (48:59):
I'm great.

Speaker 3 (49:01):
I used to be from California and uh the place
may be too good for him. But there's a fellow
name of Adam Schiff. Yes, yeah, he dearly deserves to
go there.

Speaker 2 (49:17):
My fear with that is he's from California. He'll find
a way to escape. You know, he's gonna get a
tunnel somewhere. But no, I think Adam Shift definitely should
lead the charge. He should be incarcerated.

Speaker 1 (49:26):
Well, he's very he's very good at line, so he
just his way out. Yeah, but I agree with that color.
I think that's that's a good that's a good candidate. Okay,
let's keep going. David and Cedar Hills, welcome to the show.

Speaker 7 (49:40):
So there's several Uh, Tom Tillis Center, Tom Ye's away
from Ed Martin being telling the US US Attorney. Also
Obama Biden and fifteen other Rhino Republicans.

Speaker 4 (50:02):
And control also up.

Speaker 6 (50:04):
To this another group, separate group, all of the Utah
drivers that don't know how to use the slow lane
and or how to navigate a full stop.

Speaker 2 (50:20):
You're here, I agree. I agree. Yeah, maybe not Algatraze,
but maybe some detention center for those that don't understand
passing lane, the driving lane, Yes, slow lanes. It's by
the way, David. I love the center Tom Tillis because
I don't like traders. It's one thing when you're when
you're on the left and you're out there. But you know,
he he's never been a big maga guy. It doesn't

(50:42):
matter that was his He was the acting guy used
to turn. Yeah, I want him. He's he needs to go. No,
I don't know how North Carolina keeps him.

Speaker 1 (50:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (50:49):
Well, we'll see.

Speaker 1 (50:50):
Keith is in Magnet tonight here on the Rowden Greg Show. Hey, Keith,
how are you?

Speaker 5 (50:55):
Hey?

Speaker 12 (50:55):
Pretty good? Hey. My suggestion is Governor Pritzker of Illinois.
I had him in prison with all the other Illinois
governors as well, the last three mayors of Chicago. Did
you hear these guys? You know, all these people in Chicago.

Speaker 4 (51:18):
He's lefties.

Speaker 12 (51:19):
They're all the cause of the problems that we've got
in this country. You take it right back to Bernadine
Dorn and her crummy husband. They all started the whole works.

Speaker 2 (51:28):
You're so right, is right? And then throw Adam Kissinger,
he's from Illinois, throw him in there with him to
send him on there.

Speaker 1 (51:36):
Right, Well, we've had fun with this. We know we'd
get a lot of a lot of interesting suggestions.

Speaker 2 (51:40):
But just happening to my Steelers fans. Deontay Johnson and
a former wide receiver of the Steels, and you know
why if you're a Steelers fan, you know he needs
to go to Alcatraz.

Speaker 1 (51:48):
He's he's George Pickens.

Speaker 2 (51:50):
Deontay Johnson, Yeah, he's all trouble that guy, he needs
to go. And then also a sports figure you'd like
to send, well that that's him, he's one of them.
And then I then I have a question mark next
to Megan Markle Is she is she eligible for the
women's wing? Is she did?

Speaker 5 (52:05):
She?

Speaker 10 (52:05):
Really?

Speaker 7 (52:05):
Is?

Speaker 2 (52:05):
She?

Speaker 1 (52:06):
She is annoying?

Speaker 2 (52:07):
I mean yeah, she just seems like a troublemaker to
me a little bit.

Speaker 1 (52:10):
My sports figure would be Lebron.

Speaker 2 (52:12):
Lebron, yeah, Lebron.

Speaker 1 (52:14):
And Steve Kerr oh, Greg Popovich, Yeah, those guys, Greg Popovitch.

Speaker 2 (52:20):
She's retiring everyone feel sorry for I think Steve Kerr
definitely for sure.

Speaker 1 (52:24):
Yeah, Lebron definitely, that's for sure. All Right, another full
hour there, Rod and Greg show coming your way here
on Utah Stark Radio. Want Oh five nine can Arrest
Coming up, we'll talk about water and burying man alone
yet listen to this.

Speaker 19 (52:40):
Coming up.

Speaker 1 (52:43):
A little bit later on our Listen Back Friday segments.
Fascinating new studies starts coming out Greg, and we'll talk
about this and as part of our Listen Back Friday
segment about how banning cell phones and schools, there are
questions if if in fact they are effective.

Speaker 2 (52:59):
Yeah, yeah, this is gonna be a great interview because
I would have just thought naturally that would have been
all the rage. But there it's gonna maybe take some
time to really get the answer.

Speaker 1 (53:07):
Well, let's talk about water right now. It's crucial to
the state of Utah. We need it all the time.
Story out today saying a dry winter on the Colorado
River has big reservoirs on track for trouble, including like
Powell this year, maybe down again this year, So who knows, Greg.

Speaker 2 (53:23):
Yeah, well, you know, and it's always important because we
live in a desert to be careful how we water
what you know, how much we use and sometimes we
don't know, we don't know, so it's always good to,
you know, have a refresher course. Right as we get
into the spring, the weather's starting to spike up a
little bit, so you don't actually have to run the
sprinklers every day for hours on end. No, and you know,
we can just talk about it, right.

Speaker 1 (53:44):
Yeah, Well that's right. Let's talk about it right now
with our next guest. Tage Flint, is executive director of
the Utah Waterways, talking about slow the Flow. Tage, great
to have you on the show. There's concern out there
that slow the flow and what the message is is
not being received anymore. A lot of people. Are you
concerned at all, Tage, that the effort to slow the
flow is maybe it doesn't have the impact they used

(54:07):
to have.

Speaker 11 (54:08):
Well, first of all, I really hope not because it's
critically important that we keep talking about it, but more
important that we actually start reducing even more our per
capity use of water in the state. If it's wearing thin,
it's because it's a message that they've heard now for
a couple of decades, and it's anytime you hear that here,

(54:33):
that kind of plea that long sometimes it wears a
little thin, But it's only because it's becoming more critical,
not because we haven't had good results. And utons ought
to be congratulated at least to the fact that they're
using about twenty percent less than they used in twenty
twenty per capita. But if you look back at what

(54:54):
the growth looks like between twenty twenty and now, you
know that we're still using more water than we did
in twenty twenty because we have a lot more people,
you know, tage.

Speaker 2 (55:01):
There's there's two things I think are really smart that
I think some of this came in by way of legislation,
but there are there's going to There could be a
rate increase in terms of the amount of water you use.
It could step up and become more if you're overwatering.
So if you're using water or over using water, there
might be a you might see that in your bill.
It might be a good reminder of how to be
a little more careful with how much water you used

(55:23):
on your lawn. But in addition to that, and probably
more importantly, the education of what it really takes to
keep your long green maintain your yard. There there's a
lot of good information out there that can help people
realize that they don't have to water as much, and
there's great landscaping features that you can have that won't
require it. It does all as much tell maybe tell our

(55:44):
listeners what those solutions look like and where they can
find some of that good information to help them conserve water.

Speaker 11 (55:51):
Sure to your first point about water rates and where
they're going. Credit to the Utah state legislature this year
or the past a bill that that now well not now,
but in two years will require cities to have a
high end water tier water rate that is more punitive

(56:13):
for those who are really in that wasteful category of
using water.

Speaker 2 (56:17):
Where they water they were the concrete, they're just watering
for hours on end, and I was in a rainstorm
that those those people we know.

Speaker 1 (56:25):
Exactly, Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 11 (56:27):
And and by the way, if you ask a group
of a group of Utons if they have a neighbor
who's in that category, you'll see every hand go up.
Everybody has a neighbor that uses way too much and
so so uh. The cities will be required to have
a top tier that's that will charge more for those
heavy users, and they're also required to roll that revenue

(56:51):
from that one tier back into their water conservation programs
for more education. So to your second question, Uh, there
there is a ton of information out there as to
how we can use less water. And by the way,
you're always going to hear us talk about landscapes first
because still in Utah, more than sixty percent of all
the water we use year round goes to our landscapes

(57:14):
in those six to eight months when.

Speaker 1 (57:16):
We were a gate.

Speaker 11 (57:18):
So that's where the rubber meets the roads where we
can make a lot more difference. To your point about
where to find information, slowthflow dot org, if you just
go to that website, there are a ton of resources
there to help, whether it's if you're looking for tips,
if you're looking for different kinds of landscape design, or

(57:38):
if you're looking for rebates to help you pay for
some of these changes that you want to make in
your yard. The various water districts, the big water districts
in the state have rebate programs. The Division of Water Resources,
the Utah Division of Water Resources has rebate programs that
they're running. Everybody's eligible something in the state, and you'll

(58:02):
find those rebate opportunities there as well.

Speaker 1 (58:04):
Stage with with growth comes big challenges, and is water
supply maybe one of the biggest challenges facing Utahs. We
continued to grow at this pointage.

Speaker 11 (58:15):
Absolutely, it's it is the one finite natural resource that
we were not making any more water and that we
are growing and we're you know, not to be too
draconian here, but we are headed for an intersection of growth,
a healthy economy, and the lack of water. And it's

(58:36):
the messy tests to be stronger than ever before that
we all, as Uton's, just need to drop our water
use or is not going to work for us. We
found in a survey recently that Utons still value a
couple of things. One is generational growth. They most Utons
still want an opportunity for their kids and grandkids to
live and thrive here. Another one is natural ecosystems need

(59:00):
to stay healthy. You know, see the Great Salt Lake
or the ones in your area. Those are all priorities
for Utahn's. But I'm here to tell you if we
don't use considerably less water per capita going forward, we're
not going to make it.

Speaker 2 (59:16):
You know, just to you know, along the Wasatch front.
I think we've been told that we're our water. Our
snowfall was, our snowpack was what we needed to be.
But the whole state isn't enjoying one hundred percent snowpack
or as much water as they need. We do have
some drought like situations throughout the state, and maybe knowing
that will help us, maybe humble us to say that

(59:37):
we're not just we have all the water we need
or ever will. Isn't it the case that in southern
Utah there it looks pretty dry down there.

Speaker 11 (59:45):
No question. The it's rare that the state gets a
lot of you know, above average precipitation statewide in a year.
Usually somebody there's a have and have not somewhere in
the states. The southern half of the state this year
did not receive anywhere near average precipitation, and so they're

(01:00:06):
going to feel it this summer. But it brings up
a good point. We need to be better at hardwiring
our water usage. And what I mean by that is
instead of trying to react to the type of water
you we're having this year and say say we had
a higher than average precipitation year, and we say to ourselves, well,

(01:00:27):
we're going to use a little more this year because
of that, or vice versa, if we if we are
in a drought year, will use less. What we need
to do is hard wire our landscapes so that they're
using much less water every year so that the water
managers can store more in the water rich ears and
use less in the water in the in the water

(01:00:47):
scarce years.

Speaker 1 (01:00:48):
On our newsbager Line Tage Flint, Executive director of the
Utah Water Waves Or you're right, Greg, you just you
don't need to water that much right now.

Speaker 2 (01:00:56):
I think that's good information. And you know, the whole
state's not looking that right. We have some areas that
are having trouble, so it's good. And we're always not
far away from having trouble ourselves. So we should just
stay in the practice.

Speaker 1 (01:01:07):
Be smart, be smart, all right, More coming up on
the Rod and Greg Show on this thank Rod and
Greg gets Friday right here on Utah's Talk Radio one
oh five nine k NRS.

Speaker 2 (01:01:15):
This is the moment we've been all waiting for all
week long. Know, so big bonding moment between Barry Manilow
and Rod Arquet.

Speaker 1 (01:01:22):
Huge star pop star Barry Manilow will be in concert
July fourteenth at the Maverick Center. Aaron Salt Lake City
had a chance to talk to him this week. You
couldn't make it to our interviews, so I handled that you.

Speaker 2 (01:01:34):
Want it by yourself. You want an exclusive. You told
me a wrong time.

Speaker 1 (01:01:38):
See you, joh I did that, so you can.

Speaker 2 (01:01:40):
Just you know, kiss up to Barry. I know what
you want to do.

Speaker 1 (01:01:42):
Well, here's our conversation now with Barry Manilow, big pop
star on tour, huge successful show in Vegas right now.
And I asked Barry as we began our conversation, with
all the success he's had, is there one thing that
he would like to achieve yet?

Speaker 5 (01:01:56):
That's a good question. You know, a couple of years ago,
I would have you know, My My, My wonderful musical
Harmony was the one I was hoping for, and we
got it up. You know, it played Broadway for you know,
for a couple of for a while and with good
reviews and everything. So that was what I was really
hoping for. As as of now, I have trouble with

(01:02:21):
your question. I'm at the end of putting together will
probably be my last album, and so I've been working
real hard on that and it's coming out pretty good.
So that's really what I'm working on right now.

Speaker 1 (01:02:37):
Arry, You're show in Vegas has been so successful there
at the West Gate. What what is the formula do
you think for success? What have you tried to do
to keep the audience engaged and entertained?

Speaker 5 (01:02:50):
I tell the truth, But really that's that's the that's
the that's my answer. I tell the truth. They know
what I'm feeling on that stage. You know, I'm very
proud of the stuff that of these songs. You know,
I'm one of the lucky guys. I've got a catalog
of music that I can fill the entire evening up

(01:03:12):
with songs that people know, and that's very rare. Yeah,
I'm so Elton and Billy Joel brilliant as they are,
they've got the same thing. I'm one of those guys,
and that makes for a very very entertaining evening. I
used to do album cuts and stuff that nobody knew,
but the audience told me in their own way, we

(01:03:32):
want those songs that we grew up with, that we know,
and I'm happy to do it. So it's an evening
of songs that everybody knows, and it's really a very
up energetic show.

Speaker 1 (01:03:45):
I played a lot of those songs on my disc
jockey days. I remember, Barry, so I really appreciate that
over the years and the wonderful songs that you gave us.
Barry what you know? You may have partially answered this already,
but what do you think the what's your secret to success?
What is made Barry Man a little successful?

Speaker 5 (01:04:03):
I don't even think of that, and that may be
the answer. I don't even think about success or where
these songs are gonna land. I just do the work
and that's where it ends. And you know, sometimes it's
good and sometimes it's not. Sometimes it's successful, sometimes it isn't.

(01:04:25):
But I don't even think about where it's gonna land,
and that may be the answer. You know, just do
the work. That's it.

Speaker 1 (01:04:35):
Take us back to the beginning. If you would bury
your first hit? Was it Mandy or was it could
it be Magic? It was one of those two, as
I recall, may have been another one that I'm forgetting.
But when you saw that song come out and it
started climbing the charts and being come a hit, that
it was what was it like watching that and seeing
how people were reacting to that song.

Speaker 5 (01:04:56):
You know, it was otherworldly because you know, I never
never I thought of myself as a singer performer of
a record maker. It never gawned on me that that
would be my career because before that happened, I was
everybody's piano player in New York. I was an arranger.
That's what I wanted. I wanted to be Nelson Riddle.

(01:05:16):
I wanted to be. I wanted to arrange songs. And
you know, I was conducting and arranging for Bette Midler
for a couple of years on the road, and I
did that in New York for so many singers. Well,
that's what my career was going to be. And then
suddenly this record career exploded, and I wound up standing
on a stage saying how everybody and I had no

(01:05:42):
idea what I was doing. I really stunk. I really stunk.
I didn't know what I was doing. But the audiences
didn't think I stunk, and they were telling me, in
their own way, keep going, and they still do. And
you know, so this career, this big surprise, is all

(01:06:03):
because of them, and you know, I'll always be so
grateful for that.

Speaker 1 (01:06:08):
Barry, what do you have to do? To get yourself
up and ready to perform every night. I mean it's
got to be a challenge. I mean here on the
radio we do it every day. We show prep, we
do the things we need to do. But to come
out on stage in front of thousands of people, it
seems like almost night after night or in concert, like
you'll be performing here in July. What do you do
to psych yourself up and get yourself ready? Or do

(01:06:29):
you do you feed? A lot of it comes from
the audience and the reaction you're getting from the audience.

Speaker 5 (01:06:34):
Yeah, it doesn't start for me until the curtain goes up.
When the curtain goes up, suddenly I turn into a
different guy. Honestly, I get bigger, I blow myself up,
and but before that, I'm just another musician on that stage.
But when that curtain goes up, even without me even thinking,

(01:06:56):
I blow myself up. I talk louder, I sing louder
I run around the stage, and when it's over, I
go back to just being a regular guy.

Speaker 1 (01:07:05):
In July. In July, Barry, of course you're going to
be out on the road. You'll be here, You'll be
up in Boys, You'll be in Seattle, why'd you decide
to take their show on the road.

Speaker 5 (01:07:15):
I don't want, you know, I I don't need to
do it. But I love being with my band, I
love being with the crew. I just love all of
the stuff that goes along with a touring. Uh, you know,
I don't need any more hotel rooms or any of that.
But but but, but the but the shows and being

(01:07:36):
with these great people. Yep, that I I really do
love that.

Speaker 1 (01:07:41):
The show that people are going to see here in
uh in Utah come July. Is it that much different
from what you're doing in Vegas?

Speaker 5 (01:07:49):
Yeah, it is. It's it's uh, it's a more time.
I get more time on the on the on the
stage when we do arenas, and it's different. It's a
whole different field. In the Vegas show, it's a wonderful room.
It's a small room, you know, a couple of thousand people,
which I love it. It's into it. But when we

(01:08:11):
do the arenas, you know, there's very there's thousands and
thousands of people out there. It's a totally different vibe
and it's very exciting, very different than Vegas.

Speaker 1 (01:08:21):
Final question, because I know we're tight on time, but
you mentioned you've got another project underway. You're in the
production of a brand new album again. I guess they's
still calm album. I'm not sure anymore.

Speaker 5 (01:08:31):
Really, what are they?

Speaker 1 (01:08:34):
I have no idea? But why did you decide to
do one more? And what do you hope to put
into that?

Speaker 5 (01:08:40):
Well? You know, it's coming out really interesting. You know.
First first I was chasing the radio and then I
gave up on that because you know, I am not
Billy Eilish. I just am not Billy Eilish, never will be.
So I just had to do a record that I
would make, and I'm liking it really. I think the

(01:09:02):
audiences will like it too. It'll probably be the last
album that I made, but so that that comes a
little luck. It'll be out at the end of the summer,
and that's that's really what what I'm putting most of
my energy towards now.

Speaker 1 (01:09:14):
Very man alone on our interview. He'll be in concert
here in July at the Maverick Center in Salt Lake City.
Nice guy.

Speaker 2 (01:09:20):
Who knew you'd be like the Oprah of Utah. You know,
you just have them to just kind of pour out
his guts, kind of you know, talk about thinks, make
them think about things you never thought of before.

Speaker 1 (01:09:28):
I'm not the Oprah of you.

Speaker 2 (01:09:30):
Yeah, yes, you just you just got them. You got
them to really think and pondering.

Speaker 1 (01:09:36):
Well that's isn't the idea of being doing an interview?

Speaker 2 (01:09:39):
Yeah, well you did it. Well that's off.

Speaker 1 (01:09:41):
Now Listen Back Friday segments coming up next enough the
man Low beating here on the Rotten Greg Show and
Utah's Talk Radio one oh five nine k n RS. Well,
it's time now for our Listen Back segments. We do
so many interesting interviews during the week with newsmakers. We
know you can't listen to every one of them, so
we select two that we think you'd be in interested
in playing them back, and that's why we call it

(01:10:02):
Listen Back Friday. Utah one of the several states over
the last several months, if not years, Greg to rush
into this idea of banning cell phones and schools right
without any evidence that it really works.

Speaker 2 (01:10:14):
I just thought intuitibly it would.

Speaker 1 (01:10:16):
Yeah, yeah, well I did too, You would think it
would what Apparently yeah, maybe not. Some new early studies
are coming out on it. We had a chance to
talk with Chris Ferguson. He's a professor of psychology at
stets In the University about these studies, and we asked
them first of all, to highlight what of these studies
are now saying about banning cell phones and schools.

Speaker 22 (01:10:34):
Yeah, that's a great question. So, I mean, I think
these policies are popular because they're intuitive, right. You know,
most of us don't want kids scrolling through their cell
phones while they're supposed to be paying attention to teachers.
So I think there's this intuitive sense that you know,
banning these phones ought to improve students attention in class
and maybe their behavior, maybe their mental health. But you know,

(01:10:57):
these policies are put in place before there was any
evidence to suggest that they might work. And what we're
now starting to see is at least some data coming
out suggesting that they don't actually appear to do the
things that people hope they would do. We're not seeing
that they're improving student grades, we're not seeing that they're
improving student mental health, and we're not seeing that they

(01:11:19):
improve student behavior. And in some cases there's some data
to suggest that, if anything, they may cost some problems,
particularly where some schools are using suspensions of kids who
really haven't done anything other than you try to use
their cellf out in school, and suspensions are known to

(01:11:39):
be associated with negative outcomes and kids, So I think
there are some reasons to maybe worry about some unintended
consequences of some of these bands.

Speaker 2 (01:11:47):
So to your point about it being intuitive, I mean
all I have by way of references my time as
a school in school passing notes or not paying attention
to the teacher, and it seems that a phone would
be a way to pull your attention away from the
instructor in the class. So it intuitively seems like it
would be something you wouldn't want every kid to have
in their pocket or on their person while they're trying

(01:12:08):
to listen to the teacher. My question is, because it's
still intuitive, it's hard for me to believe that there's
not some benefit. And one of the when you look
at some of the studies, it's looking at maybe the
first year or the year prior to a ban and
what the GPA looked like, what this incidents of bullying
look like, and then it took the next school year
and looked at what it was. Is that enough time.

(01:12:29):
Isn't there maybe an adjustment period that would need to
take place for students to get used to not having
those phones around, because it would probably be a big
shock to the system to go to school one year
and you can have it the next year.

Speaker 14 (01:12:40):
Not Yeah.

Speaker 22 (01:12:41):
Yeah, sure, And I think that's a very good question.
I mean, I think what we've seen, however, I think
is important to point out that, you know, particularly in
the case of like Orange County schools here in Florida,
they know, the administrators claimed in immediate success. Yeah, they
claimed like within weeks or months that they were saying,
like we already see, how wonderful.

Speaker 11 (01:12:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 22 (01:12:59):
So what we can see say, at very least, is
that those claims that some administrators and policymakers were making
about this kind of instant success of these programs certainly
was not true. Even in the data from these school
districts themselves, there was nothing apparently to support those types
of claims that were being made in news media. I
think what you're saying is actually true. I mean, that's

(01:13:20):
one of the reasons I actually got kind of interested
in this is the idea that a policy would be
implemented and then weeks or months later had this remarkable
level of success. I mean, you know, but most educational
policies have been failures. I mean first off, so to
have even a modest success would be astounding and great,

(01:13:41):
you know, fantastic. Yeah, so you know, absolutely, I do
think we need to be open to looking at longer
term data. Absolutely, maybe things will turn around right now.
What we can say is from the short term data
that were of anything seeing neutrul to negative effects, not
positive effects.

Speaker 1 (01:13:58):
This data wouldn't be coming from the cell phone companies,
is it crit I mean to me, you see, well
that maybe maybe someone shuffling this data out there from
the cell phone companies.

Speaker 22 (01:14:09):
No, I guess say emphatically, I have no funding relationship
whatsoever to cell phone companies or social media companies. Is
there anything of that sort.

Speaker 7 (01:14:16):
No, this is data that.

Speaker 22 (01:14:17):
Came directly from the school districts themselves.

Speaker 12 (01:14:20):
Uh.

Speaker 17 (01:14:20):
You know.

Speaker 22 (01:14:20):
And there also was a study that was done in
the UK with schools there that came out this year
that also was just data from the schools themselves and
basically came to the same conclusion that with the schools
that were putting into play cell phone bands in the UK,
the same even the most restrictive bands were showing no
evidence that they were improving student behavior, mental health or grades.

Speaker 2 (01:14:43):
You know, Chris, that's what called I because you know
brit Britain they're tyrants. They'll they'll they'll take away anything
from you. So when you said they're studying, they're not
seeing any difference either. I can only imagine what they
were doing if you had if you have a phone
on you as a kid. So they're not. So even
in Britain, where I think they feel more comfortable banning everything,

(01:15:03):
they're not seeing any academic progress or year over year change.
I guess is that what you're saying there?

Speaker 22 (01:15:10):
Yeah, absolutely, yeah. I mean this is that you know,
the UK is comfortable arresting adults for things. Yeah, so yeah,
so even there, you know, and some of the schools
did have like more or less restrictive bands, so that
of course raises the question of well, maybe some bands
are not restrictive enough. But even the schools that had

(01:15:31):
the most restrictive bands, which basically is essentially requiring cell
phones to be placed in a locked compartment or bag
where I could not be assessed at any point during
the day, not just in class, but you know, not
during recess or lunch or whatever other activities may be
occurring that even though schools did not see any improvement
over schools that did not have a cell phone banned policy.

(01:15:52):
So yeah, again, at least with like within a one
year period, we're not seeing evidence to support these types
of claims of remark couple success.

Speaker 1 (01:16:00):
Chris, Why did we rush into this so quickly? I mean,
you know, in this country and in this world today,
we want instant gratification. We know there are issues in education,
we say, ah, cell phones, get rid of cell phones,
they'll solve all our problems. Why did we rush into
this so quickly?

Speaker 22 (01:16:17):
Well, we're old, for one thing, and myself and that
I say that jokingly, but it's actually sympirically true that
that you do tend to find, you know, with all
these types of concerns about technology that tends to be
older adults that I'm more worried about this than younger
adults are a first to kids themselves. And so you
see this kind of like cyclical pattern with you know,

(01:16:38):
it's right now it's cell phones and social media. Before
it was video games, and it was rock music, and
then it was comic books, and that.

Speaker 19 (01:16:44):
Was you know, the radio TV.

Speaker 22 (01:16:48):
Yeah, so I think it promises like a quick fix,
you know. Uh, you know, if we could only get
rid of this one thing that we already don't like conveniently,
that that would you know, return us to this halcyon past.
If kids holding hands and skipping into fields of dasies
and cooperating all this kinds of stuff that never never
actually existed for most of us. But you know, so

(01:17:10):
I think it's this easy fix, and I think it
distracts us that if you kind of look at like
like kids mental health, the reality is that the biggest
source of problems for kids is their parents, you know,
and parents don't really want to hear that. That's not
to say all parents, you know, both parents are pretty good.
But you know, when you have parents who are neglectful

(01:17:32):
or abusing their kids, or have been incarcerated, or have
committed suicide, you know that that's where we're seeing kids
that have mental health problems, you know. And it's important
to point out when we're talking about mental health, the
biggest problem with mental health in our country right now
is among the middle aged. It's not among teenagers. As
a fifty three year old, you know, man, I have

(01:17:55):
a three to five times risk of committing suicide, as
a teenage girl, does you know? And I don't think
many people understand that, you know. So I think we're
really looking at what's causing these like mental health problems
and kids. It's coming from mostly within their own families,
and we have these families that are stressed and we
really should be talking about that. But that's not as
you know, sexy a message. I think as blaming it

(01:18:18):
on technology, you know, and it really promises a much
more difficult conversation around some of those issues. So I
think that's kind of what's happening here is is, you know,
families don't want to think that this is coming from themselves,
and it's just easier to think that if you just
give it to smartphones, then we'd be back in nineteen

(01:18:38):
seventy five and everybody'd be happy.

Speaker 1 (01:18:40):
Chris Ferguson from Steps in the University talking about banning
cell phones and schools or ear least studies saying, you know, well,
it would just be.

Speaker 2 (01:18:48):
Like schools are ruined this whole thing by saying, oh,
it's a great thing since sliced bread. Can you just
wait a little bit. I still think the jury's out.
I don't think it's I don't think the final decisions made.
I just think it would be premature to declare while
success after one squel yeye. So I think that's I
think that the studies show that at least.

Speaker 1 (01:19:04):
Yeah, that's true.

Speaker 18 (01:19:05):
All right.

Speaker 1 (01:19:05):
When we come back another one of our lists, back
Friday segments. Something that frustrates all of us the price
of gas. Yes on, why is it not coming down?
We'll explain coming up right here on the Rod and
Greg Show in Utah's Talk radio one O five nine.
Can Ter s that's one of the frustrations everybody has
in the state. We hear reports of gas prices dropping
around the country. Wonder what is going on here here

(01:19:26):
in the state of Utah. Well, earlier this week, a
man who really knows about oil and gas prices, we
talked with Patrick de'han. Patrick is the senior petroleum analyst
at gasbuddy dot com. Had a great conversation with Greg
and we started the conversation by asking him to give
us an overall assessment of oil and gas prices around
the country.

Speaker 23 (01:19:45):
Well, at least for now, we've seen gas prices drifting
a little bit up, a little bit down, almost left
and right as well. But The good news is the
price of oil over the weekend has been falling precipitously
after OPEC announced another surprise development they're going to be
in racing June oil production by over four hundred thousand
barrels a day. That has sent oil prices plummeting to

(01:20:07):
the lowest levels really since the pandemic. A barrel of
West Texas intermediate crude oil closing at about fifty seven
dollars a barrel today. It previously was tariff uncertainty several
weeks ago that faded away, but OPEK has been seeing
some dissension amongst oil producing members that want to produce
more and that is pushing the price of oil down. Now,

(01:20:29):
it hasn't immediately translated yet to lower gas price. A
lot of Americans probably watching oil thinking well, when is
gas going to fall? While it will take a couple
of more weeks, why is this happening Well, because gasoline
inventories in the US have been declining significantly over the
last six weeks due to refinery maintenance. But as refineries

(01:20:50):
finished their seasonal maintenance before summer, I do think that
lower oil prices now will start to translate to lower
gas prices as refineries finish up maintenance and start boosting
output of gasoline.

Speaker 2 (01:21:03):
So Patrick, I spoke to a former colleague, a public
servant who deals with issues like this, and gave him
a heads up that I'm going to be ranting about
gas prices today, so look out and uh and it is.
And he reminded me that it is true that Utah
has traditionally overtime been on a lag in terms of
if when you saw gas prices drop nationally, it took

(01:21:23):
a little bit longer for Utah to follow pace, and
that we have some restrictions on how much is refined
here in Utah, and there's there's some capacity issues there
in the in the in the joke is that we
never Utah has never noticed when we're still low when
the rest when national average goes high. But with that
is as maybe the premise, maybe I'll accept that answer.

(01:21:44):
Maybe you, as a good third party could tell me
does Utah have a capacity problem with refinery? With the
refinery side, we do have WAXI crewed coming from eastern
Utah that you win a basin, so we have supply
here in our own state. When when should we recently
be able to see our gas prices in Utah reflect

(01:22:05):
the national average and see lower gas prices.

Speaker 23 (01:22:08):
Well, to your point, we do see areas that are
a bit more rural, a bit more mountainous that tend
to lag behind because their volumes may be a little
bit lower than some of the more densely populated urban
areas across the country. That applies really to many of
your neighbors as well, and especially the more rural the area,
the more those prices tend to lag because to your point,

(01:22:30):
either stations have filled up with cheaper gasoline potentially days ago,
and it's the more expensive stuff may be solely working
through their system, or in the case of going from
winter to summer gasoline, that cheaper winter gasoline may stick
around longer and the prices may lag behind. So there's
a lot of kind of nuances about how gas prices

(01:22:50):
will work and how they do. You know, Utah, I mean,
when things are running normally, is there an efficiency of
refining capacity? Not really, but you know, it's those abnormal
times when a refinery goes down for maintenance or there's
an unexpected outage, And this applies almost anywhere across the country.
When there are unexpected outages that can throw things, can

(01:23:11):
throw a monkey wrench into everything, and then you can
tend to see more of an impact. But moving forward
in the weeks ahead, as the bulk of refineries are
now getting the final innings done of refinery maintenance before summer,
I do think that refineries will start to boost output
of gasoline in the weeks ahead and that should help
contribute to lower gas prices as we get closer to

(01:23:32):
Memorial Day.

Speaker 1 (01:23:32):
Patrick, I want to follow up on the question that
Greg asked, because I think this is one of the
most frustrating things that people have to deal with here
in the state of Utah. They hear about gasoline prices
dropping around the country, but here in Utah they remain
the same or even a little bit higher. And they're
frustrated in the fact that, yes, we have a lot
of oil in the eastern part of the state. We
have two refineries located just about ten miles north of

(01:23:54):
US And they say, what gives I mean, in your opinion,
what do people need to understand about gas prices and
oil prices that would help them deal with some of
their frustration that they feel.

Speaker 23 (01:24:06):
Oh boy, I probably could go on probably much longer
than your program would it continue, but you know, to
keep it short and sweet. You know, there can be differences.
A lot of Americans look at the price of oil
and they say, well, oil's doing this, Why isn't gas
doing that? Just keep in mind that we have all
of this oil. As you mentioned, Utah has oil. We
get a lot of oil from Canada, especially in many
areas of the Rockies. But without these magical things we

(01:24:30):
call refineries, you can have all the oil in the world.
It could be five dollars a barrel.

Speaker 19 (01:24:35):
But if there's.

Speaker 23 (01:24:36):
Nobody able or ready to be able to take that
oil and refine it, the price of gasling can be
vastly different than the price of oil may lead you
to believe. And that's because again, a lot of what
it comes down to in this country, and what we're
hearing of more and more, especially with the transition to EVS,
is refining capacity can play a massive role in the

(01:24:58):
relationship between what the price of gases and what the
price of oil is. And when things are operating smoothly,
nobody thinks about, hey, what's going on at refineries. We
generally only hear gas prices going up. You know, a
lot of the time it's refinery outages. So again, there's
so much importance on refineries and if they're able to
continue producing. And with the declining number of refineries over

(01:25:21):
the last several decades, you're starting to hear this refinery
word more and more as a reason for why gas
prices may be doing this or that.

Speaker 2 (01:25:28):
You know, the cost for the barrel crude oil, the
barrel of crude, it has been hovering in that sixty
dollars range. I know, fifty seven dollars is as low
as it's been in a long time, but in that
sixty dollars range. At some point that that curve has
to hit us. What is our protection, Patrick against you know,
any of our large chains that sell gas, you know,

(01:25:51):
gas stations saying you know, I was making six cents
a gallon on this margin, making twelve cents a gallon
isn't going to hurt me at all. How do we
make sure that we're not that the margins don't grow
and the pay and the and the you know, the
commuter still pays the same Amount's what's how do we know?

Speaker 23 (01:26:08):
It's that beautiful word called competition stations. At the end
of the day, that price they're gasoline higher than their
competitors have a disadvantage. People are very price sensitive to gasoline,
and they tend to go to places where prices are lower.
And that's why retailers sometimes will engage in kind of
a mini price war, or one retailer will always want

(01:26:29):
to be lower because with competition, the beauty is people
will patronize those stations, and that's what keeps I mean
so many things right that are dictated. There's competition. I
mean the housing market right. What your neighbor may be
selling their home for if they undercut their price, well
that kind of forces you down as well. So competition
keeps many things in check. And as these retailers become bigger,

(01:26:51):
there's always going to be an opportunity for somebody to
come in and be more competitive, have a lower price,
and to do things more efficiently. And look at some
of the wholesale clubs, by the way, have been remarkably successful,
and part of the reason is there gas prices are
so low that people just go to them every time.
So kind of a very unique advantage is everyone that
is a whole so called member will tell you that's

(01:27:13):
where I get my gasoline the bulk of the time
because they're much more competitive.

Speaker 1 (01:27:17):
Patrick Dahan, Senior petroleum analystic gasbuddy dot com. Trying to
shed a little bit of light on gas prices here
in the state of Utah.

Speaker 2 (01:27:25):
All said and done, they better start coming down big time.
We have like a rock. Yes, you can't get you
can't see a barrel of crued that low and not
see gas prices under You got to get under three bucks.

Speaker 1 (01:27:35):
Well what's frustrating me is you know next door in
Colorado they're what fifteen cents a gallon cheaper?

Speaker 2 (01:27:40):
They are? Yes, come on, so now we got to
get We gotta get south of the three dollars mark
here very soon. It's math. It's just it's what it's
supposed to happen when you see a barrel recruit at sifety.

Speaker 1 (01:27:50):
But now, before we wrap up, would you like to
send your wonderful wife a little happy Mother's Day? Well,
she will be ready.

Speaker 2 (01:27:56):
Queen Bee will be totally confused because I'm two days early.
I'm barely sliding in on Sunday right on time. So
if I do it on Friday, she'll she'll think I
thought it was a Friday. Was Mother's Day, which I don't.

Speaker 1 (01:28:08):
Well, I'm going to take the opportunity to wish my
wife a very happy mothers.

Speaker 2 (01:28:11):
Well, then now I would be a heel if I
didn't so Queen Bee, she's the best mom in all
the world. And happy Mother's Day to Queen Bee. She's
raised these kids right and didn't allow me to mess
it up too much.

Speaker 1 (01:28:24):
Wait a suck up? All right? That does it for
us on The Running Greg Show this week, as we
say each and every day, head up, shoulders back mate.
God bless you and your family, this great country of
hours on all you moms out there, We'll talk to
you Monday at four. I have a good, safe weekend.

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