The Rod and Greg Show: Midvale City Mayor Discusses Pride Flag Controversy; American Interest in Manufacturing Jobs

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
We have an American pope, I know.

Speaker 2 (00:02):
And you being a good Catholic boy, Catholic. Yeah, he
went to Catholic school. Remember JFK when he was running,
how it was, it was a stigma to be Catholic.

Speaker 3 (00:13):
It was all it was. It was, it was looked
down upon.

Speaker 1 (00:16):
No, this this is a big day for Catholics in America.
I never thought we'd have an American pope, but we do.

Speaker 2 (00:23):
Well, you know why why Because we're making America grade again. Okay,
we're making America great again. We got trade deals, we've
got now we got popes, we got a pope.

Speaker 3 (00:31):
I'm telling you.

Speaker 2 (00:32):
People in Chicago, they even the ones that aren't Catholic,
are saying, yeah, Bears are going to Super Bowl. We've
got we got we got a Catholic pope from We
got American pope who's from Chicago.

Speaker 1 (00:44):
The Bears are in. Well, you know what I think,
you know what I think happened. Trump got on the phone,
called the conclave and said, look, America first, America America first. Like, okay, President,
and we'll put we'll put a pope. Is We'll put
in a American as president.

Speaker 2 (01:01):
All the trade agreements a little in the you know,
in the in the in the plate paying passed around.
You know, maybe America is going to help with the
contributions a little more.

Speaker 1 (01:10):
Well, you know, you mentioned this. Sean mentioned this at
the start of his show today. You were listening to
Hannahdy I think catch beginning of the show. But we're
talking about a faith based story today. Rarely is anything
like this talked about.

Speaker 4 (01:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:22):
No, Now he didn't say he said that fifty percent
of Christians are Catholics, which was a which I didn't
know was that that was the large demographic of Catholics
make up fifty percent of the Christians in the world.

Speaker 1 (01:34):
Did know that, and it could be in the world
in the United States about twenty percent.

Speaker 2 (01:38):
Well, yeah, because we're in the earth where we're probably
I don't know if you remember, you know, Plymouth Rock
and all that.

Speaker 3 (01:44):
You know, it was kind of different.

Speaker 2 (01:46):
But anyway, but no, what I said, this is my
original thought. Rot I said that it is something else
that in twenty twenty five, what has dominated the news,
what's dominated the discussion is the elect of this pope
by the cardinals. And it's a it's a very important
day and it's and it's being reflected that way, and
you would think in a secular world that we wouldn't

(02:07):
be paying as much attention to it, there wouldn't be
as much commentary to it. I think that's a good thing.
And when I watched his speech, he speaks influent. Uh
and who I'm talking about language? Yeah, because he spoke
in French or in Italian and in Spanish and it's
he's gonna go by Leo the fourteenth, but it's Robert
Francis Prevost. And the people of the crowd they were

(02:31):
they were tearing up, and they were so emotional and
so happy, and there was even a Pittsburgh Steelers terrible
towel being wave in the crowd. That's when it gets real.
When that when the terrible towel is being waived, it
is official. It is a it is a moment to
always remember.

Speaker 1 (02:47):
Well, both you and I have been We've been in Rome,
We've been at Saint Peter's Basilica, and you know outside
there there were American flag flying there today too.

Speaker 3 (02:56):
You know, again, make them first.

Speaker 2 (02:58):
I think it's I think it's a great but look,
in all honesty, I do think that I came across
this article in the New York Times where they were
talking about him. This is in the beginning of May.
So it was they were saying, you know, no one's
betting on an American pope, but if there was one,
check out this person. And they do kind of a
bio on him and from the article, and again this
is from the New York Times, and so it's kind

(03:21):
of like the enemies communications that I'm intercepting. But they
would argue that there are some things that he has
said in the past that they don't like, which means
we would. But they he's been he's been one of
these I'll meet you where you're at type. He's very
you know, loving everyone, which sounds very spiritual and ecclesiastical
leader liked to me. But they argue, they say in

(03:43):
this article that describes him as a potential pope, and
he became of the pope was he was he kind
of satisfied those that were more maybe liberal in their
approach to the faith, those that were more dogmatic, those
that wanted to be truer to the tenets of their faith.
And he is one was considered that he walks kind
of that line, a careful line between that. So he's

(04:04):
been very strong in his pro life stance, as you
hope a good pope would be. There's a lot of
other details, but I think that that I don't want
to politicize all of this, but I do want to
say that I think that the fact that it's a very,
very big deal is a sign that we are not
a heathen nation entirely, that we can really talk about,
you know, the pope and who the pope is and

(04:26):
celebrate that this has happened and yeah, it's a good thing.

Speaker 1 (04:28):
Yeah, well, h'll be under the microscope now. And it
was in this article from the Times was what about
a month old?

Speaker 3 (04:35):
No, it's actually just a little over a week. It
was the beginning of May.

Speaker 1 (04:38):
But they identified him as a dark horse favorite. I mean,
he was not a name that was kicked and bandied
about as a possible replacement and the new pope, and
they identified him earlier. As a matter of fact, his
I was coming in this morning, Greg, listening to Clay
and Buck and they were talking about big news, you know,
and I don't understand what they were talking about till
they got to the point that they mentioned he's from America. Yes,

(05:00):
grew up in Chicago. Went to Villanova, where he had
a degree in math, served his ministry much of his
ministry in Peru. And it hasn't been a cardinal that long, No,
since twenty three, yeah, so he hasn't been a cardinal
that long. So it's interesting as to how that all
played out.

Speaker 5 (05:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (05:17):
The beginning of the article said, for betting types, the
conventional wisdom says not to put your money on a
pope from the United States, it said, but some Vatican
watchers could think that this one American could scrape together
enough votes. Cardinal Robert Francis Prevost. Now he spent the
majority of his life outside of the United States. He
served in Peru. He was a missionary, he was a priest,

(05:40):
he was a teacher there, I mean, and so then
he most recently when he became a cardinal, he worked
for Pope Francis. He oversaw all the bishops, yes, at
the Vatican, which is a pretty.

Speaker 1 (05:52):
Import selection of the bishops.

Speaker 3 (05:54):
Yeah, in the selection of the bishop. So yeah.

Speaker 2 (05:56):
So in Peru he was a missionary, a priest, a teacher, bishop,
and then he did the Augustinetinians. Uh, he was the
Augustinians leader.

Speaker 3 (06:06):
And that's where he was in order of preach in
the Catholic faith.

Speaker 1 (06:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (06:10):
So, but some quotes that he did. He was he
encouraged when he was in Peru that the government not
teach gender curriculum. On gender, He said that it would
confuse kids that there's more than two genders, which there
is not, which is you know, I think again intuitive
but something that you don't you seems like it could
be controversial if you say nowadays.

Speaker 3 (06:31):
So he said that.

Speaker 2 (06:32):
He said the promotion of gender ideology is confusing because
it seeks to create genders that don't exist, he told
the local media. So we'll see. I I think I
think it's it's it's again. It makes America great again.
I think that's great. I think the people in Chicago
think they've got the next Michael Jordan of.

Speaker 1 (06:50):
You Knows going out there. Yes, I mean they've even
changed the old fn l skit where they're sitting around
the table and can beer talking about du bears. Yes,
is out dup hope.

Speaker 3 (07:03):
Dub Pope.

Speaker 2 (07:03):
Yes, I'm telling you they the people, those Chicago guys,
they have they are owning this. They think this is
this is like they became the pope.

Speaker 6 (07:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (07:12):
Someone tweeted out today. Greg the American Golden Age, American Pope,
American World Cup, American Olympics, American industry, American vitality. It's
twenty twenty five. Man, the American people are so back.
Yes we are, That's what they said. We got a
lot to get to. Great Tavy along for the ride.
It is the Rod and Greg Show on Utah's Talk

(07:33):
Radio one oh five. Dying can Arrest coming up today.
We'll be talking about sixty years of mass migration. Is
it time to say enough is enough? We'll talk about that.
We'll talk well, we're going to have a conversation with
the mayor of Midvale. He is gay. We're we'll talk
about the Pride flag. He wrote an up at Peace
about a month ago about why the Pride flag is

(07:55):
so important to members of the gay community. We'll get
into that a little bit later on. We finally were
able to get a hold Steve more today. Been a
big guy yesterday.

Speaker 2 (08:06):
But he you know, he doesn't he doesn't forget his root,
you don't forget you know, he danced with who with
who brought him? We we we've been dancing with Steve
for a while.

Speaker 1 (08:13):
Well, and if we bring manufacturing into the United States
back to the US. This is a question that you
raised a couple of weeks ago. Will people want to
work in a factory? There's new research out there on
that as well. So we've got a lot to get
to today. As always, we invite you to be a
part of the Rod and Greg Show eight eight eight
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five seven o eight or a one zero oh and

(08:34):
one thing. We still have berry mental little tickets to
give away. Oh yay, yay, you are so bad. More
coming up on Utah's Talk Radio one oh five nine
k n RS. Immigration and Control the Border. I think
that is one feat that Donald Trump is not being
given enough credit for because basically, Greg, he is shut
it down. Yes, that's what the American people ask for,

(08:57):
and I think he's close to just shutting the darn thing.

Speaker 2 (09:00):
Everybody take inventory. We were told we needed all these
new laws, we need the Senate bill that was supposedly
going to fix it all. That's what the last administration
had argued. And then no bill passes and our borders
back under control.

Speaker 1 (09:12):
You know what, Yeah, yeah, you know what. I think
it's funny Greg, back in the nineteen twenties, there was
a law which basically shut down Ellis Island, no more
immigration into the country, and that went on for a
number of years. It changed with a guy by the
name of Lyndon Johnson, and ever since then, Greg, we've
had mass immigration. Enough's enough?

Speaker 3 (09:32):
Well yeah, well, well let's find out. Yeah. Well.

Speaker 1 (09:35):
Joining us on our newsmaker line is our good friend,
Mark Gregorian, Executive director at the Center for Immigration Studies. Mark,
how are you and welcome to the Rod and greg Show.
Thanks for joining us, Mark, Well, thanks for having me.

Speaker 7 (09:47):
Glad to be here.

Speaker 1 (09:48):
Mark. What changed with Lyndon B. Johnson? What happened?

Speaker 7 (09:52):
Well, in nineteen twenty four, Congress brought an end to
the Ellis Island wave of immigration. It's not like it
was zero after that, but it was way down and
it stayed that way until the sixties. And the reason
the law was changed then President Johnson signed a new
immigration law in nineteen sixty five, was that the nineteen

(10:16):
twenty four law. Remember this is the nineteen twenties. They
didn't just reduce immigration by lowering the numbers. They had
this whole complicated mickey mouse system of national origins quotas
because you know, Italians were bad, so they got a
small quota, and Irish were good, so they got a
big quota. It was that kind of nonsense.

Speaker 3 (10:36):
Uh sound to me.

Speaker 8 (10:39):
Well, in the sixties the.

Speaker 7 (10:43):
Civil Rights Act, and they said this is you know,
ethnic discrimination, we need to get.

Speaker 9 (10:47):
Rid of it.

Speaker 7 (10:48):
And so that part of it was sensible. I mean,
you know I would have been for that, although I was,
you know, four years old at the time. But what
they didn't do was limited numbers. They all said, well,
this is just going to change the way we pick immigrants.
It's not going to increase immigration. That would be silly.
Nobody wants that. Well, what it did is it kick

(11:08):
started the biggest immigration wave we've ever experienced because and
I think this was since here the people pushing the
bill did not think that it would actually increase numbers.
It's one of those, you know, the good intentions gonnawry
kind of things.

Speaker 2 (11:26):
So in so we can see that in hindsight. But
what was there a version of that bill that could
have been done differently that would not have had the
untended consequences that did. I mean, to your point, we
might not like to have the quotas for different ethnicities.
But what what what would have been a better approach?
Do you say, do you think?

Speaker 10 (11:45):
Well?

Speaker 7 (11:45):
I mean what they did was change the way we
picked them, so instead of by country of origin, was
this complicated system of family relationships. And that's the way
the immigration system is now. I mean there have been
tweaks in the interim, but basically two thirds of immigrants
are let in because of who they know rather than
what they know. And it would have made more sense

(12:08):
to have gotten rid of those national origins quotas but
had hard limits on how many people get to come
into the United States, and they didn't do that. So
what we need to do basically is combine the best
parts of both of those bills, have an immigration bill
that lets in a lot's fewer people but doesn't have

(12:28):
this sort of national origin discrimination to it, so that
the rules basically apply the same order wherever you're from.

Speaker 1 (12:36):
Mark, there's been talked for a long long time. I
know we've had you on the show talking about this
as well, efforts to modernize our immigration system. Is anybody
taking up that ball and carrying it right now? Or
is it just sitting there waiting for something to do something,
waiting for someone to do something about it.

Speaker 7 (12:54):
Well, there have been efforts in Congress, Senator Tom Cotton
from Arkansas into produced to bill a couple of times.
I don't think he's done it again in this Congress.
What should call the Raise Act like Raise up that
would change the way we pick immigrants to have it
less nepotistic, less family based, more skills based, but also

(13:17):
reduce the overall number. The problem though, now, is that
the President is not an immigration restrictionist people. You know,
he's he believes in controlling the border and limiting illegal immigration,
and he's serious about that. He really does believe it.
It's not just you know, politician boloney. The problem is

(13:38):
legal immigration. Most immigration is legal, and you know that's
most immigrants who are here or let in legally. And
so if large scale immigration is a problem in a
modern society basically we need a breather, well, then illegal
immigration enforcement is important, but it's really only job one,

(13:58):
and the President doesn't really seem to agree with that.
And so in the meantime, there's not much that's going
to happen, at least as far as I can tell,
on legal immigration, at least for the next few years.

Speaker 2 (14:11):
You say, that, but maybe I'm just not hearing you right,
But it seems like legally immigrating to this country is
incredibly difficult. There's there's a sponsors, there's amount, so you
have to have a certain amount of money in the bank.
In my big worry, it had always been I believe
in a tall wall, but you need a wide gate
and you need a reasonable way where people want to
immigrate into the country, because if you don't, then you

(14:32):
the atennant consequence of that is the illegal entry into
the country because they don't there's you wouldn't feel like
you have any reasonable options. But are do you believe
that it's it's easy, it's legal and easy to immigrate
into the country now or uh? Because I just I've
heard other I think it's otherwise. I think it's been
very difficult for people to get visas or to even
have them renewed, just with the bureaucracy of it all.

Speaker 3 (14:55):
Is that wrong?

Speaker 7 (14:56):
Yeah, I mean it's way it's way too complicated. There's
no question about it. I'm not saying it's like walking
into Walmart and you pick some much. You know, it's complicated.

Speaker 3 (15:04):
It's hard.

Speaker 7 (15:05):
The issue, though, is that there is always going to
be way more demand for immigration then we're ever going
to want to supply. I mean, Gallup does poles like
this and polls in Nigeria or India. You know, I
don't know how much that means, but they're polling results.
They conclude that there are hundreds of millions of people

(15:27):
who would move here if it really were easy to
move here and if the numbers allowed it. So we're
always going to have to limit immigration to only a
small share of those people who want to come here,
as far as making it simpler, easier to understand less Blooney,
I totally agree with that, But you're never going to
be able to increase, never should increase numbers enough that

(15:51):
you're going to satisfy all the demand, because there are
seven billion people in the world outside the United States,
and a whole heck of a lot of them when
move here if you could, if they could, and you know,
living on the street in the United States is probably
better than you know, having a a hut somewhere, you
know what I mean, So the numbers have to be limited. No,

(16:12):
there's no way that most people who want to come
here can ever be allowed.

Speaker 1 (16:15):
In Mark is always great conversation. Thanks for joining us
and enjoy the rest of the day. Mark you too,
Thank you and our larms maker line that is Mark Gregorian.
Mark is the executive director of the Center for Immigration Studies.
More coming up on the Rod and Greg Show and
Utah's Talk Radio one oh five nine knrs. What was
it on Wednesday? Yeah, yesterday, the new Political Flag Bill

(16:38):
went into effect. People refer to it often as the
Pride Flag. Salt Lake City is adopting some flags of
their own, which could raise some questions about if they
can legally do that. So far, lawmakers have not said
anything even though they're talking about it. They're calling what
Salt Lake City did as political theatrics. I think Greg,
you and I would probably agree with that. We would.

Speaker 2 (16:58):
We would argument was and is that let's just get
out of the flag business and let's just have flags
that unite everyone for the common reasons, whether it's the
United States flag, our state flag. If you have a
city flag a city symbol for your flag, but if
you're going to go make different communities that you select
to be part of your state your city flag there,

(17:20):
then you're I think you're just being You're trying to
get around a lot.

Speaker 1 (17:22):
Yeah, well, joining us on our Newsmaker line. We wanted
to get a different perspective on this that we have
been able to get on the show with Dustin Gettle.
He is the mayor of Midvale City. He is gay.
About a month ago he wrote an op ed piece
in the Salt Lake Tribune talking about why the Pride
flags are so important, and we wanted to get his
thoughts as to what's going on with Salt Lake City

(17:43):
right now. And he's joining us on our any hour
Newsmaker line. Mayor, how are you welcome to the Rod
and Greg show.

Speaker 11 (17:50):
I'm doing great. Thank you both so much for having
me today.

Speaker 1 (17:52):
Mayor, could you explain why the Pride flag is so
important to the LGBT community.

Speaker 11 (18:00):
So I think that has been lost a lot in
the discussion over the past few days. So the Pride
flag itself, in my editorial, I argued, it's not necessarily
a political statement in and of itself. The Pride flag
is supposed to be a source of protection, welcome, and
inclusion for the LGBTQ community. So it's just a flag

(18:24):
that folks see and they know that. With this person
in particular, I might be in a safe space to
discuss things with that person that you know, it's just
a very welcoming symbol for others, and that's how I've
always viewed it.

Speaker 2 (18:40):
So, mister Mayer, thanks for again, thanks for joining us
on a program. So it sounds like, you know, marginalized communities,
you want to make sure that people know that it's safe,
that there's there's a welcoming symbol or tone to your city.
Are there other marginalized communities that are left out if
you pick one that you want to send that message too.

Speaker 11 (19:01):
Well, that's always that's the calculus you have as an
elected official, you know, I certainly want to make sure
that everyone knows that Midville is a welcoming and inclusive
community for everyone. That's you know, a major part of
my job as mayor. So I don't want to pick
and choose which segments of society I want to make

(19:23):
feel welcome to Midville. I want everyone to feel welcome
to come, especially to Midville City Hall, which is, you know,
a building that the residents of Midville own and should
be feel welcome to visit any time they want. So, yeah,
I don't think because you say one group is more
vulnerable than another. I don't think you're playing favorites that

(19:46):
way by displaying a Pride flag as I have here
at my desk in city Hall.

Speaker 1 (19:52):
Yeah, but mayor, why do you need a flag to
say you're welcoming and you're approving.

Speaker 11 (19:58):
Well, in a perfect society, right, we wouldn't need flags
to do that for anything.

Speaker 1 (20:03):
But let me ask you this, doesn't the American flag
say that or not?

Speaker 11 (20:07):
Well, you'll be happy to know we have American flags
all over city Hall. So I mean, we have the
state flag, we have the American flag. We don't like
Salt Lake City, we did not. We don't have Salt
Lake City design a flag money and have it up
and running in six weeks. But you know, I think
the simple fact is the LGBTQ youth in the state

(20:29):
of Utah are at They consider and attempt suicide at
a much higher rate than surrounding states and the nation
as a whole. So't I don't see any harm at
all in telling members of that community, Hey, you have
a gay mayor. So you know, as I said in
my article in the Tribune, if that's seeing a gay

(20:51):
mayor with a Pride flag on his desk, if that's
what gets at LGBTQ youth who's at risk to make
a better decision for their life that day. I don't
think the state legislature should tell me that I can
or can't do that.

Speaker 2 (21:05):
So you made a really good point that I agree with,
And there is that, Okay, there's there's other marginalized groups.
We have people that might feel this way. There might
be things people are struggling with. I think the point
is if you find a flag that is supposed to
be for everyone, a one size fits all, it's supposed
to be all of us, all of us together, doesn't
that don't you run less of a risk of leaving

(21:27):
someone out or making them feel that they've been marginalized
because maybe they're not being identified by a unique flag
versus a flag that does include all of us, or
should include all of us.

Speaker 11 (21:38):
Yeah, well, I again I agree with that. I wish
there was a flag that encompassed all of those things together. One,
of course, is the US flag. Yes, I think you're right,
that is the closest one. However, not everyone who is
in Midvale, or in Salt Lake County or the state
of Utah. Some of those folks aren't from the United State.

(22:00):
So yes, they might be proud to be here. But
you know, why should we ban someone from having a
Mexican flag in their window or even an employee. Should
we start at mid th Old City to have a
policy where we don't allow even someone to have like
a flag from their country of origin at their own
personal office desk. I think that's just such a slippery slope,

(22:23):
and it's not something I'm interested in banning as mayor
of Midvale.

Speaker 1 (22:28):
But what harm would it do if you were not
allowed to do that? Mayor? I mean, what harm is
done if say we fly two flagged or maybe three,
maybe you fly the American flag, your city flag, and
the state flag. What if that was all allowed? What
harm does that do if that's all that's permitted.

Speaker 11 (22:45):
Again, I don't think there's any harm in flying those
three flags. I just also don't see any harm in
having additional flags that you have for special occasions, special events,
special months. I just don't Just because there are three
flags in this bill HB. Seventy seven that are exempted,

(23:06):
you know, that doesn't mean there are no other flags
on earth that a city should or would want to promote.
You know, I would just push back a little bit
on that you're talking about, you know, the the US
flag and the state flag. When we changed our state
flag here in Utah, there was you know, a very
significant segment of the population who was not happy with that.

(23:30):
So you know, even with the state flag, you can't
make all of Utahn's happy. So you know, I don't
think adding additional flags takes away from the importance of
the US or the state flag. It's you know, it's
like having additional you know, when you have more than
one kid, you don't love that first kid any less.
You know, you just spread love around.

Speaker 2 (23:50):
And Mary this we love Thank you for coming on
a show because we love to throw around ideas and
you're you're you're great, You're you're you're making a great
case that for why you feel the way you do.
Give you my my take and this is when I
shared yesterday. It's yesterday on the show. I'm looking at
this Vanity Fair article that came out at the beginning
of May, and it's saying, where are so many why
are Americans so obsessed with protein?

Speaker 3 (24:10):
Blame maga? Okay.

Speaker 2 (24:12):
It says that protein or the obsession with protein, is
undeniably gendered it goes on to talk about us that men,
there's this manosphere or this man omania, and it begins
to talk about men as a negative. It's it's toxic.
It's bad. It's bad to be fit, it's bad to
be that. Protein isn't isn't something that's good for you.
It's something that is projecting something negative. What if all

(24:35):
of that narrative from Vanity Fair and national publication, what
if all of that in the years to come becomes
louder and louder and louder. Am I a marginalized community?
A member of a marginalized community? Can I have a flag?
Because I pick the playboy blunt bunny as my flag.
By the way, if I get a flag, that's my flag. Okay,
that's the one I want.

Speaker 11 (24:54):
Speaker, Speaker Hughes. If you come up with a protein flag,
I'll be happy to at least put it here at
my desk in Middel City for a day or two.

Speaker 3 (25:03):
You were ready to say you heard it was a playboy,
But I don't know so much. But yeah, protein, protein, the.

Speaker 1 (25:09):
Pro toy bunny. All right enough, all right, well mayor,
we we appreciate you giving us your insight on this.
We hope to have you back on again as issues
like this come up. Thank you, mayor anytime.

Speaker 3 (25:21):
Thanks a lot.

Speaker 1 (25:22):
All right, on our Newsmaker line, that is the mayor
of Midvale, Dusk and Ghettle. He is gay. He wrote
an article about how important the Pride flag is to
the gay community here and we wanted to get his
perspective on that. All right, more coming up on the
Roden Gregg Show Talk Radio one O five nine k
n RS.

Speaker 3 (25:39):
We're gonna go to the calls right now.

Speaker 1 (25:40):
Yeah, let's get the calls and we have to carry
you more. Will Let's go to the calls. Anna is
in Salt Lake City wants to share her thoughts on
what's going on with this. Anna, how are you welcome
to the Rod and Gregg Show.

Speaker 12 (25:51):
Thank you so much, long time listener. Happily. My take
on Minden Hall's flags is I think she's pandering to
her voting I think that's exactly what she's trying to do.
She wants to be re elected forever. Uh and the
fact that she's doing this shows to me U a
disrespect for the law. And I hope the governor and

(26:12):
or the legislature speaks out on it, because I don't
think anybody should be above the law.

Speaker 1 (26:18):
Correct, Anna, thank you a very good point.

Speaker 2 (26:20):
They're being cute and it's it's something that I'm not
going to be cute about.

Speaker 3 (26:24):
Let's let's keep going. Let's go to Julie in Centreville. Julie, Hi, Yeah, hello, Hi, Hey, Yeah.

Speaker 13 (26:32):
I'm just calling about the Mendenhall flag issue as well.
I just think that it's kind of a slippery slope
and it's kind of a bad idea too.

Speaker 14 (26:44):
For as the mid Millilaire said, to have a uh.

Speaker 13 (26:48):
For marginalized groups to have a special flag, you know,
and like you guys said, one flag unity. I think
that's the best I think, if anything, separate flag point
out differences rather than unity.

Speaker 14 (27:03):
And it's a slippery slope I.

Speaker 13 (27:05):
Mean by in the sense that, so, you know, are
we going to create a flag for every marginalized group
out there? And like your previous caller, I do agree.
I think that menden Hall's definitely pandering to her voting base.

Speaker 1 (27:18):
Yeah, she sure is, Julie, thank you. Sure to cut
you off there, We've got to get to a break.
But I think I think she's pandering to her base,
and I don't know what is she understands this divides
the community. I mean, she's been here long enough, she
can figure that out. Yep, she does want a united community.

Speaker 2 (27:32):
And look, there's a lot of people in the communities
where I didn't see a flag that would represent that
that part of the community. I'll tell you if you're
a Republican, if you're a Republican in it's like, see,
you're marginalized. You are you are You are in this too.
You are in the belly of the beast. Okay, that
is not a place you want to be. I don't
see a flag for us anyway. I think it's I do.

(27:53):
I appreciate people calling. If you can hang on over
the break, we'd love to take your call when we
come back, or call.

Speaker 1 (27:57):
Us back number eight eight eight five seven zero one
zero More The Rotten Gregg Show coming up on Utah's
Talk Radio one five to nine KNRS. We had the
mayor of Midvale City join us, Dustin Gettle. He is
gay and he wrote it up at Peace about a
month ago on the Tribune about the importance of the

(28:20):
Pride flag to the gay community, and we had a
conversation with him gave him him an opportunity to explain
why it is so important. But of course the state
has passed a bill now the governor signed. I think
he let it go into law without his signature, Greg,
I think that's what happened, right, He didn't sign it,
but it is a bill that bans political flags on

(28:41):
government buildings and included them that, of course, is the
gay pride flag. We had a conversation with him, and
that conversation stirred up people who want to weigh in
on this. So we've carried some callers over to this
hour and if you want to weigh in on it.
Eight eight eight five seven eight zero one zero. That's
a result of what Salt Lake City, led by the
crazy mayor and Mendenhall Uh in her effort to make

(29:03):
kind of like gay pride flags the official flag of
the city. There are four of them, right, they're being.

Speaker 2 (29:10):
They found a legal loophole and they're being cute about it,
and I think it's I think it's unserious. And I
also they also had a tax increase on their but
on their agenda that all that, so, you know, just
running around with four flags and giggling about it, hopefully
distracted people from the tax increase that are going to pass.
So let's go back to the phones.

Speaker 3 (29:28):
Let's talk to it.

Speaker 2 (29:28):
Let's go to Reese and orm Reese, thank you for holding.
Welcome to the Run and Greg Show.

Speaker 6 (29:34):
Hey, thank you for having me. I just want to
say on that flag. Nothing surprises me with Aaron, especially
when she let people vandalize the old city, you know,
public works building with all those parasites portraits. But why
don't we just put the you know what would be
the difference having a Confederate flag with the seagull lily
on it? Do you think that would cause a uproar?

Speaker 2 (29:54):
The selective outrage and logic would be in full effect.

Speaker 3 (29:58):
You're right, that would never go. They would never she
would never tolerate such a thing.

Speaker 2 (30:02):
Yeah, there would be a whole new explanation why you
can't have flags like that.

Speaker 6 (30:07):
There should only be one flag, and that's one that
we live under, you know, one nation under God.

Speaker 1 (30:12):
You got it. You got to say that all the time.
Back to the phones, Let's go to Sandy and hear
what Dizzy has to say tonight here on the Rotting
Greg Show. Disney, how are you? Thanks so much? For
joining us.

Speaker 15 (30:23):
Yeah, appreciate the call, gentlemen, and just really appreciate you
having the mayor on. I think that's one of the
reasons I liked you guys so much, as your fair
and balance. I had two things, one real quick with
just a fact check, and the mayor is kind of
being selective about the data that he presented with marginalized
youth and suicide rates. That's the case nationwide that LGBTQ

(30:45):
youth have a higher suicide rate, and that's not just
in Utah. But I wanted to spend my comment on
the mayor's note about having no harm to display a
flag and equate that to me as a father. I
have four kids, and if I had my at my office,
only one picture of one of my kids, and when

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the other three came into the to the office and
looked at the desk and they only saw one kid's picture,
I would say to them, well, you know that's your brother.
There's no harm in me showing his picture, And they say, might,
well where's mine.

Speaker 1 (31:19):
Good point, that doesn't make any sense. There is harm.

Speaker 15 (31:23):
It's you know, he's being intellectually dishonest in that argument.

Speaker 1 (31:28):
Yeah, I agree with you. Dizzy, You're exactly right. Those
are national figures that are quoted when it comes to
this point. But you're right. You know, Era asked us,
and we didn't get to ask the marriage during this
he has two little Gay Pride flags on his desk, yes,
not on the building in his office, on his desk,
and I wanted to ask he said, first of all,
does he think he's breaking the law with that? We
didn't get a chance to ask him that. But the
other question I think we should have asked him if

(31:50):
that had come up, was what if someone came into
your office you're displaying those flags on your desk and
that individual feels uncomfortable meeting with you this with those
flags being displayed, would you take him down?

Speaker 3 (32:04):
Interesting use just open up.

Speaker 2 (32:06):
A Pandora's box once you start picking, because he says,
it's not really picking winners and losers if you highlight
one group, because there could be others that they might
not be aware of. But he's not necessarily excluding him,
But you are. You're you're picking, you're memorializing the the
groups that are unique to whatever flag it is you
want to send. And a lot of our callers have
said they've picked out Confederate flag or whatever flag if

(32:27):
it's something he does not want to embrace. But there
are people that would want that. You get into that debate,
and how about government just not get into the debate
at all.

Speaker 1 (32:35):
That's what this That's what Trevor Lee's bill was trying
to do, I think, wasn't it. Let's go to Morrell
and I here what Austin has to say tonight on
the Rod and Greg Show. Hey Austin, how are you good?

Speaker 16 (32:46):
How are you?

Speaker 1 (32:46):
We're well? Thank you?

Speaker 9 (32:49):
You know.

Speaker 16 (32:50):
I was thinking about that and if history repeats itself
and you look at what happened in Jimstone, Arizona with
the cowboys and the red and all that stuff. I mean,
the American flag and a state flag, I feel is great,
but I think, you know, there shouldn't be any more. No,
but that's just my opinion.

Speaker 1 (33:12):
Now, well, your opinion, I think is shared by a
lot of people lost. And when it comes to that,
because we do have one flag, it's called the American flag,
the stars and stripes, and that's what it's all about.
That means unity.

Speaker 2 (33:22):
In my opinion, it does, and I'm going to tell
you that it's it's a it's we should really be
able to connect the dots on this because I've never
seen a political movement in my lifetime that had a
flag like a MAGA flag. So you have this make
America great Again kind of symbol that's really out there,
and I don't know that anyone would Certainly Democrats wouldn't

(33:42):
want to see a MAGA flag displayed in a city,
build a government building, and they would tell you all
the reasons why they wouldn't. And I think if we
just apply that approach just uniformly, the logic to that,
I'm good with no flags other than the United States
flag in our state flag.

Speaker 1 (33:57):
I'm fine with that as well.

Speaker 2 (33:58):
Let's go to John and Logan's Let's go John, John,
thank you for holding. Welcome to the Rod and Gregg Show.

Speaker 17 (34:05):
Yeah, God talking here. I don't have much to offer
other than what you've already said one hundred times. We
could have a thousand diversity flags up, We're still going
to leave out some marginal entity out there somewhere. I
love being under the American flag that's inclusive to everybody,
and the American flag, the state flag. We should have

(34:27):
state pride, have pride in our cities you know, a
third flag or something like that. But anything above that,
you're going to leave somebody out.

Speaker 1 (34:35):
Yeah, you sure are, You're you're absolutely right. When so
much shot it didn't get on the air with it,
but we saw a note as to what they wanted
to talk about it. I think the color indicated she's
left handed. She wants a left handed flag.

Speaker 2 (34:48):
And you know what, I have a friend that's left handed.
It's always kind of tough, especially sitting at a restaurant.
Your left hand is right up against their right hand.
It's a big mess, is a big it's a challenge
left hand.

Speaker 3 (34:58):
Left handed lefties have a hard time.

Speaker 1 (35:00):
Yeah, all right, Gary, Gary and Royd tonight you're on
the rod In or Greg Show. Hi Gary, how are you.

Speaker 11 (35:10):
Hi?

Speaker 6 (35:10):
Is it me?

Speaker 18 (35:10):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (35:11):
Go ahead, Gary, go ahead?

Speaker 10 (35:12):
Okay, Sorry sorry I never got in quite that quick.
So I thought was he was talking about how the
suicide rates among the youths and you guys have discussed that, Well,
what about suicide rights among veterans? Those are at least
people that went out and served the country. And you know,
I mean, I opened it's a whole nother discussion. But

(35:34):
to add what the last caller said this whole thing,
or at least the last one I heard. It really
doesn't add unity. It adds as sension. And that's pretty
much what they do from the left, but they just
can't see it.

Speaker 2 (35:47):
It does, it divides, it does. There's nothing that is
welcoming there. It actually does the opposite. You're exactly right,
Gary thinks. And and the suicide rate and that, especially
with our veterans and post traumatic syndrome, there's a lot
that goes into that. By its absence from even the conversation,
there certainly can be a negative reaction from those that
suffer from that from that community.

Speaker 1 (36:09):
I did an event on Wednesday with the first Lady,
Abby Cox, and this about the Live on campaign. You
know what the number one group is now when it
comes to suicide, what middle aged men. You never hear
anybody talk about that, do you.

Speaker 2 (36:22):
Yeah, because they're trying to take our protein away from us.
That's why, because they're saying protein's gendered. Now, it's man omania,
it's it's it's yeah, it's it's they're after.

Speaker 1 (36:31):
Us one of the number one groups. Now, all right,
we've got a lot more calls coming and we'll get
to them. We need to take a break, but hang
on or give us a call back. It is the
Rod and Gregg Show on Utah's Talk radio one oh
five nine knrs. If you have just stepped into the
car on your way home tonight, we're talking about the
debate in this state over political flags being flown in

(36:51):
government buildings. Of course, a new law who effect on Wednesday,
which prevented that. But then you have Salt Lake City
in their political theatrics proving four new city flags that
all have the Pride colors in them. And we're getting
your reaction to that. You're on the Rod and Greg Show.

Speaker 2 (37:08):
Yeah, they get they think they're cute. It's not cute,
it's not funny, but they think it is. Let's go,
let's see what you have to say, folks, Let's go
to Krista in a West Point Christa. That's the name
of Mike my wife, Queen Bee. I love the name Krista.
Welcome to the show, great.

Speaker 19 (37:22):
Thank you.

Speaker 7 (37:22):
Hello.

Speaker 9 (37:23):
Hey.

Speaker 14 (37:24):
I have a daughter that was in the same sex
relationship and I told her that I would never fly
the Pride flag because I think there are so many
other things that define my daughter besides just being gay.
I think we should just celebrate other things, and I
don't see the purpose in all the raw rah rah
about being gay.

Speaker 1 (37:45):
Krista, how did your daughter respond to that idea?

Speaker 3 (37:49):
You know she was fine with it, really good for her?

Speaker 14 (37:53):
Well, yeah she was. Yeah, I just told her that
there's just so many other things. She's talented, she's she's sweet,
she's compassionate. Why are we only focusing on who she
chose to be in a relationship with?

Speaker 1 (38:09):
Well, thank you, Kristin.

Speaker 2 (38:10):
You know that was at the heart of my So
when I say this facetious playboy flag, yeah, deal, it
really comes from the idea that Christa just brought out there.
Why would I want to just say this is what
this is? How I you know, I this is this
is my sexual persuasion. That's who I am, That's what's
defined me completely. I say it facetiously because there is
so much more that defines us as more than a

(38:31):
flag than a flag and a certain persuasion. There's were
bigger than that. We have more going on than that.

Speaker 1 (38:37):
Just be a person.

Speaker 2 (38:39):
Yeah, I love the I love the whole concept of
the American flag. Call me crazy. I think it just
includes every one of us.

Speaker 1 (38:45):
It does it does. Back to the phones, Let's go
to Brett in Salt Lake City tonight here on the
rod En Gregg Show. Brett, how are you? Thanks so
much for joining us.

Speaker 20 (38:53):
Good Let's tick this out to the absurd for a second. Hypothetically,
I've decided to uh convert to become a Nazi, and
I want my Nazi flag flown on city buildings. And

(39:13):
I think I should be able to sue the city
to include my Nazi values and flag on their new.

Speaker 7 (39:27):
Moniker they've developed with the.

Speaker 3 (39:31):
Lily.

Speaker 2 (39:31):
That's right, and and and to your point, Brett, they say, well,
we don't believe in that. Well, you know, you picked
four that everybody doesn't just you know, subscribe to either.
So where where does that begin and where does that end?
That's your point, right.

Speaker 20 (39:46):
That is my point exactly. Now, some people may find
uh Nazism, most people find that is completely abhorrent. But
I think the same is true for the gay pride.

Speaker 1 (40:02):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I agree. There are some people
have a very very difficult time with gay pride issues
in this country today, and I think, you know, it
offends a lot of people out there, But apparently it's
all Lake City doesn't care.

Speaker 3 (40:18):
Yeah, and and again four flags.

Speaker 2 (40:21):
So they found four of their favorite groups that they
think that they're going to memorialize and say, Okay, they're
they're uh, you know, they're marginalized. We want them to
know that they're included, which by I mean by logic,
you've excluded every other group yea and group that's there.
But they'll argue that there's nothing wrong with that. Yeah, yeah,
all right, let's go back to the phones. Greg, Okay,

(40:42):
let's go to Dawn and Murray. Dawn, thank you for
calling the Rod and Greg show. What do you think
about this?

Speaker 21 (40:50):
I just think that it's it's good to be inclusive,
and I don't think it's hurting anyone to have a
Pride flag shown. I also, I mean, I don't think
there's any any correlation between that and like, there's no
likeness for having a Nazi flag shown. I don't know

(41:12):
what Fred was trying to make, because the difference between
a Pride flag and a Nazi flag is a Nazis
What about furries committed genocide?

Speaker 3 (41:25):
What about furries?

Speaker 5 (41:26):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (41:26):
Should we have a furry flag?

Speaker 16 (41:30):
Okay?

Speaker 21 (41:30):
Yeah, So so that's not a part of the lgbt
Q plus community.

Speaker 2 (41:34):
But I'm saying you're you're you're saying that we should
be inclusive. I'm asking if you if you identify as
a as an animal, you're a furry, should you have
a flag to be in for the purposes of being inclusive.

Speaker 3 (41:49):
That's that's not.

Speaker 6 (41:50):
The same though, you're you're still you're still arguing a
moot point.

Speaker 3 (41:55):
You're trying to tell point, these are demographics of people.

Speaker 2 (42:00):
No, No, you have demographics of people who want a
special flag that recognizes them. And we're saying that the
more you pick a demographic to recognize, you're not being
inclusive because there's many demographics you're not recognizing. And and
if you and if the if the politic, if the
Nazi was too far of an extreme. I'm saying, there
is a growing demographic and especially well among youth who

(42:21):
are identifying as furries, and so should you include them
to be make sure that you're being inclusive.

Speaker 21 (42:29):
I don't agree with that because I don't think lgbt
Q plus people and furries are are the same.

Speaker 1 (42:38):
You know, and we are.

Speaker 3 (42:39):
But that's the point. They're not the same.

Speaker 1 (42:41):
We aren't saying they're the same. We're saying this is
a separate group. So should this furry if there is
a furry flag out there, should they have a furry flag?

Speaker 21 (42:51):
Not at public building? I mean not at public buildings.
There's there's a big difference.

Speaker 2 (42:57):
Okay, Well, I think she's making our point. I don't
think she realized, but I think she couldn't see why.
And that's why we're saying, we don't see why you
would do anything that isn't inclusive of all of us
at the same time, different race, color, creed, land of
the free, home of the brave.

Speaker 1 (43:11):
There you go, that's true. All right, more of your
calls and comments coming up. Eight eight eight five seven
o eight zero one zero eight eight eight five seven
o eight zero one zero on your cell phone. Just
dile pound two fifty and say, hey, Rod, all right,
if you're just joining us nowt we're talking about the
political flag bill that went into effect on Wednesday, and
that included the display of pride flags at government buildings, courts,

(43:34):
Salt Lake City. Thumbing Knits knows that the state law
we've talked about that we're getting your reaction to that.
We had a conversation with the mayor of Midvale. He
is gay. He shed some his insight as to what's
going on and why he thinks the Pride flag is
so important to the gay community. Now we're getting your
reaction to.

Speaker 2 (43:51):
It, so let's get back to it. Let's go to
Skip an Eagle Mountain.

Speaker 3 (43:54):
Skip.

Speaker 2 (43:55):
Thank you for holding, and welcome to the Rod and
Greg show. What do you think about this flag issue?

Speaker 5 (44:01):
All right?

Speaker 4 (44:02):
I'm going to say Greg and Rod because the last
time I talked to on this channel it was about
the economy. But however, I'll give you a little tiny
bit of background. I am a retired first sergeant. I
did twenty five years with the US Army. So when
I look at this situation, it's simply about professionalism, okay.

(44:24):
And it's the difference between a uniforms military and a
ragtag militia, right, and both may have good intentions, but
people are going to trust the uniforms military simply because
they they know that they adhere to certain standards and
codes of conduct, right, and so they have values that

(44:46):
they're supposed to do. And so that's the same with
the police officers versus a security guard and the firefighters,
and they're and you know, your neighbors running in with
a garden house. I mean they all have good intention,
all right. So it's a matter of professionalism. If you
are publicly funded, if you are looked at through the community,

(45:07):
you need to professor, You need to project professionalism regardless
of what time of day it is, what day of
the month it is, what year it is, whatever. If
you are paid by these taxpayers, just simply be professional
at all times and do the right thing, because it

(45:29):
is the right thing to do. Now if you are
if I, as a retired member of the military, were
to look at this government building and I've had all
kinds of crazy flats, right, yeah, I would not go
there and trying to get a job because to me,

(45:49):
it would be like, okay, d I, you know you've
attracted something is now at the front of their vision,
and so that would be a bad projection. That would
not be a work environment that a professional can work in.

Speaker 1 (46:07):
Yeah, you're right, Skip, Thank you. You make some good points.

Speaker 3 (46:11):
Thank you guys.

Speaker 2 (46:11):
And when I see the four flags at Salt Lake
City created legally, it is chaos. It's the chaos that
he's describing. It doesn't show the professionalism it shows. Here
are the four that we decided to memorialize and it isn't.
It's it's I think it is chaotic.

Speaker 3 (46:29):
Let's keep going.

Speaker 2 (46:30):
Let's go to Darren and North Ogden. Darren, Welcome to
the Rodd and Greg show.

Speaker 18 (46:34):
You guys. Hey, a long time listener, first time caller.
Thanks for taking my call.

Speaker 1 (46:39):
You're welcome.

Speaker 7 (46:39):
Doren.

Speaker 18 (46:40):
I'm actually on the side of a trail. I listen
to you guys mountain bike and some night you're waiting
to talk to you guys on the dirt.

Speaker 3 (46:46):
You're on the app baby, good job.

Speaker 18 (46:49):
Yeah, yeah, and so it will kind of pissed me off.
Actually I agree with most what everybody said, but when
the mayor suggested that people from other countries might not
feel inclusive with the American flag and they might want
to fly their own country slag, that that kind of
upset me and I felt they need to call you guys.
I mean, there's only one flag in this country that

(47:11):
should be slow in any government buildings, and that's the
United States flag.

Speaker 1 (47:14):
Absolutely amen to that. Dry Darren House. The ride by
the way, you're doing okay today.

Speaker 18 (47:20):
It's fantastic, guys. Yeah, it's even it's either you guys
or listening to some scorpions. I kind of alternately.

Speaker 3 (47:30):
Company. That is excellent.

Speaker 1 (47:34):
All right, let's go back to the phones. Let's see
we have Jay joining us tonight from I believe it's Avon,
Is that right, Jay?

Speaker 22 (47:42):
Yeah?

Speaker 8 (47:42):
Hey guys, I'm a frequent fire collar guy, you know,
daddy stuff. Anyway, I love I love that scorpions rock
you like a hurricane.

Speaker 16 (47:54):
There you go.

Speaker 8 (47:55):
We don't need we don't we don't need to be
rocked like a hurricane by all these flags slipping around
here here like we're divided. Every time we throw up
a different flag, it separate, separates us out even more.
We're America, man.

Speaker 3 (48:10):
We are Jay.

Speaker 2 (48:11):
Don't you think that if you can't get somebody on
on on their on their class, Communism tried to get
the upper class and the lower. They try to pit
people against each other by way of their social status
or class. And in a melting pot like America where
we are race, color, creed, were different in every way,
that diversity of this nation. If you can pit the

(48:31):
differences against one another, that's how you break down our government,
our society, and we don't feel united. It's by trying
to create these, you know, these differences where we we
shouldn't see each other this way.

Speaker 1 (48:43):
Yeah, we shouldn't. All right, We've got a lot more
calls coming in. We'll take a quick break and come
back to your thoughts on this eight eight eight five
seven oh eight zero one zero more coming up on
the Rotten Gregg Show and taking your calls. We go
to Nephi and hear what Dan has to say tonight
on the Rod and Greg Show. Hi, Dan, think thanks.

Speaker 9 (49:00):
Taking the call here. I just wanted to make it
kind of a quick statement. But you know the word statement,
That's what a flag really means is it's trying to
project a statement. So the thing that I don't understand
with the Pride flag is because you have multiple statements
combined on one flag. You have a statement of LGBTQ

(49:25):
plus yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't know what they all are,
but I can tell you that the lesbian, gay, trans, queer,
bisexual are all statements reflected on that flag. So with
that in mind, you display that on a government building

(49:47):
from one doesn't sound all that inclusive to me. In fact,
as a grandfather, I'm not really supported of the idea
of a trans reading let's say, to my grandson in
a kindergarten book as I've heard that's happened, or a

(50:11):
trans for instance, walking into my daughter's bathroom in Walmart.
Let's just throw that out there. I'm not comfortable with
that either.

Speaker 1 (50:20):
No, yeah, I don't think anybody.

Speaker 9 (50:21):
I'm not comfortable with that. Then why are we making
that statement on a government building?

Speaker 19 (50:27):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (50:28):
I think that's a question that a lot of people have.

Speaker 3 (50:30):
Dan.

Speaker 1 (50:31):
We do not need to make that statement on government buildings.
That's all that Trevor Lee was trying to do with
this bill.

Speaker 2 (50:36):
Absolutely. Let's go to Chuck in Saratoga Springs. Chuck, Welcome
to the Ron and Greg Show.

Speaker 19 (50:42):
Hey, gentlemen, Hi, doing good, you know, good good?

Speaker 6 (50:46):
Hey guys.

Speaker 23 (50:46):
You know one thing, the American flag unites this and
these other flags they de buy us along sexual orientation
right and fourteenth Amendment.

Speaker 16 (51:00):
You know they've used that to say you can't discriminate.

Speaker 19 (51:03):
Based on sexual orientation. Well, heterosexual is also a sexual orientation.

Speaker 23 (51:09):
But we are actually like victims if you like the enemy.
And I think these guys who are just trying to
do this for a statement, I used to pick a
fight because why else would you do this? I mean,
you know what device they know it divides people it's
just me to get attention to just to pick a fight.

Speaker 5 (51:27):
I see it.

Speaker 1 (51:28):
Yeah, yeah, chuck ding ding ding ding ding on that,
because I think you're absolutely right right, They're just this
is political theatrics. They're just trying to do this to
get attention and to show that they can. And I
think the I think most of you tons are looking
at this and they're all saying, come on, let's can
we move on. Let's go to Dan and Orum tonight
here on the Rodin Greg show, Dan, what are your

(51:50):
thoughts on this? It's Dave, But oh, Dave, I'm sorry.

Speaker 22 (51:54):
I have to no, it's totally fine. I really have
to disagree with the previous callers. I mean, I've learned
over the past ten or twenty years that diversity is
our strength and that's what the Pride flag represents. I
think it should fly from you know, government, city, state buildings.
But in order to really be inclusive, I mean, my
group needs to be in there. I think the flag
of the German third Right should be flying. And I

(52:16):
have friends who are members of ISIS. They should be represented.
The represent everybody exactly. Flags on the flag pole there,
you to have a flag of the Confederacy.

Speaker 9 (52:28):
I don't think the ku.

Speaker 22 (52:29):
Klaus Klan had a flag, but if we can find one,
we need to raise that up.

Speaker 4 (52:32):
Well.

Speaker 2 (52:32):
Yeah, you know, there's a caller that said the color
that said that they like the inclusivity of the LGBT flag.
I said, what about furries? Yeah, and they said, no,
have a flag. No, if they don't, why not.

Speaker 1 (52:44):
It's like two years on Earth.

Speaker 3 (52:46):
I don't know why they wouldn't. Maybe a tail everyone
should have one.

Speaker 1 (52:48):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, Well, we've enjoyed your phone calls. It's
an interesting discussion. I'm not sure Greg, what Utah lawmakers
are going to do. If they're going to make any
changes in their bill. We'll have to wait and see.
They don't. They don't show an inclination to do that
right now, but things could change by the time January world.

Speaker 2 (53:05):
There's so much going on in that city right now
that's just not working out.

Speaker 4 (53:09):
Well.

Speaker 2 (53:09):
I think that them being cuter laughing at what they're
doing here. They're actually making a mockery of the state law.

Speaker 3 (53:16):
And we'll see.

Speaker 1 (53:17):
Now was there in wasn't it.

Speaker 3 (53:18):
Well, I'll tell you what.

Speaker 2 (53:19):
If I were a lawmaker right now, I would just
I would deprioritize the issues that the state faces with
that city until they want to get serious.

Speaker 3 (53:26):
That's what I would do.

Speaker 1 (53:26):
Good point. All right, big news today the trade agreement
between the US and the UK. Steve Moore will join
us coming up after this news up there, stay with us.
Donald Trump today announcing an agreement with the UK when
it comes to trade, and we'll get into details on
that in just a minute. But coming up in July,
Barry Maniloe will be in concert at the Maverick Center

(53:49):
in Salt Lake City. He'll be on the show tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (53:52):
Well, I know you know this is folks. I wasn't
here for this, but it's all the talk and at
the station here in the building. Did Barry Manilow and
Rod or BFFs you're best friends forever?

Speaker 3 (54:04):
They yucked it up all that.

Speaker 1 (54:05):
It was seemed like a nice guy.

Speaker 3 (54:07):
Yeah, sounds like you guys bonded.

Speaker 1 (54:08):
We'll have that interview tomorrow, but right now, we have
got two tickets to give away to see Barry Manilow
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one zero.

Speaker 2 (54:52):
So, folks, let me take you back last night. I
know you don't watch MSNBC. I don't watch MSNBC, but
what I do watch your clips of MSNBC and the
briefing with Jen PESUCKI was on last night and she
started her show with this observation.

Speaker 24 (55:09):
So it's been more than a month, if you can
believe it, since Donald Trump announced his sweeping and pretty
ridiculous tariffs.

Speaker 20 (55:16):
But mister Art of.

Speaker 21 (55:17):
The Deal, as he calls himself, has not yet struck
a single trade deal, not a single one with any
single country.

Speaker 2 (55:24):
Well turns out Jen that that little opening didn't age
very well, because it hasn't even been twenty four hours.
She did that last night and as of this morning,
there has been a big announcement that there was an agreement.
Now I have to play this. I'm going off script here.

(55:45):
This is from the Morning Joe Rod and ladies and gentlemen,
this was and just you can hear how sad they
are to describe it. Here, listen to Morning Joe talk
about the big news of the day.

Speaker 5 (55:57):
You look for what's most likely. Most likely those trade
deals are going to come from leaders that he's more
comfortable with, and he certainly again says he's very comfortable
with Kiers Starmer.

Speaker 24 (56:09):
Yeah, no question there. For President Trump, diplomacy is very personal.
I mean there's there's a degree of that for most presidents,
but this one in particular thread whether or not he
likes you. We know there have been foreign leaders he
very much did not like. He did not care for
Prime Minister Trudeau of Canada. But this isn't going to
be a political win for the White House.

Speaker 2 (56:27):
And you know how hard it is for them to
say that this is a political win because it is
a very big deal.

Speaker 3 (56:33):
It is, and we'll go over that case.

Speaker 1 (56:35):
Yeah, we'll break that down. Liz Peak talked about this
today as well.

Speaker 3 (56:38):
She sure did.

Speaker 2 (56:39):
Let's go to Let's go to Liz Peak and talk
about you know again, this is you know some of
these some of the haters up there said, well, this
is just low hanging fruit. You know, we anyone could
have done this deal because it's it's one of our allies. Well,
it could have anyone done it. Well, let's find out
what does Liz Peak think about just anyone could have
done this. It's low hanging fruit.

Speaker 25 (56:57):
And to Trump's point, this negotiation or discussion has been
going on for a quarter of a century. I mean,
it's amazing. Biden very much wanted to do a trade
deal with the UK, couldn't get it done. So I
think the fact that they accomplished this in record short order.
Let's remember that most trade deals take years to accomplish.
This is a major achievement and I think they needed it.

(57:20):
They needed to show the American public that the tariffs
were going to produce something valuable. They did produce something valuable.
We're going to have more exports of different kinds of
products going to the UK.

Speaker 2 (57:32):
So this is something that they wanted for a long
time that Biden wasn't able to do so, while the
Democrats now want to say, well, this was of course,
this won't happen. This is always going to happen. Low
hanging fruit, low hanging fruit hasn't happened, didn't happen till today.
No sure, and Jen Psuki didn't see it coming. Jimpsucky,
She just totally blew her mind. Yeah, I sure did well,
joining us on our newsmaker line. Now to get reaction

(57:54):
to this, can't wait till we hear what he has
to say. Is our good friend Steve Moore, Steve big
announcement today. What's your take?

Speaker 5 (58:01):
Well, it is big news and it is good news.
I have not yet read the fine friend, I don't
know if anyone has, but the way Trump described it,
it is going to lead lower terrorists in both countries
and that's a good thing. We should have a free
trade deal with the Brits. You know, they are one
of our closest allies, always have been. We've always had
a special relationship with the Brits, and so I think
this is a breakthrough a because I think it will

(58:23):
lead to a better relationship both in terms of you know, security,
policy and also economic policy and trade policy between our
two countries. But also this puts pressure on other countries
to now run to the table and make a similar deal.
So this is the breakthrough. I think we've been waiting
for it, but the markets sure liked it.

Speaker 2 (58:43):
Steve, Yeah, I think, and we are tariffs we actually
I think we are at ten percent and there's down
to one point eight for our imports to come into UK.

Speaker 3 (58:52):
The UK.

Speaker 2 (58:52):
It looks like it's a good deal, and a lot
of people didn't think that there would be one coming
anytime soon. So that's a good I think we need
more of that, but that's a good sign. I'm going
to go to your email that you send Unleashed Prosperity Hotline.
You you herald something that I think is really really important,
and I don't I need everyone in Congress to read
your email, okay, because you're talking about the Argentine. I

(59:12):
am going to send this. I'm going to text it
to Mike Lee when I'm off this phone call.

Speaker 5 (59:17):
I want to make sure hold on just went Tech.
I want to make sure all the listeners of this
show get the Unleashed Prosperity dot Org. All you have
to do is sign up for folks. It's absolutely free
and it's a free economic fold and that goes out
every morning. So thank you for saying that. But anyway,
what is the question?

Speaker 2 (59:33):
So that is the Unleashed Prosperity dot org. So look,
you got to go, got to go watch it. You
highlight that the Argentina president is enjoying incredible popularity. It
is his popularity is soaring while he's doing what cutting
spending like you cannot believe.

Speaker 5 (59:51):
Okay, this man is cutting cutting government spending.

Speaker 3 (59:54):
Government spending.

Speaker 2 (59:55):
He's taking Their taxes were twenty two point three percent
of their GDP. They slashed it down to fifteen point
six percent. And the people appreciate it. They know it,
they know it's a good thing. Yes, why are we
having a debate in our GOP controlled Congress about the
DOGE cuts, about the why aren't we cutting more government

(01:00:16):
in the big beautiful bill.

Speaker 5 (01:00:19):
First of all, you're right about what's going on in Argentina.
This is a country that had turned, you know, basically
towards socialism for decades and it's said, you know, Argentina
back seventy five eighty years ago was one of the
richest countries.

Speaker 3 (01:00:32):
In the world.

Speaker 5 (01:00:32):
And then out of the prons they went socialist and
they became one of the poorest countries in the world.
So they're going to comeback. And you've got this new president, Malay,
who is doing amazing things. He's slashed government spending. He's
the one remember people probably remember him with the chainsaw,
yes out of the budget and he's doing that, and

(01:00:55):
you know what, the people and sometimes things have to
get really really bad until people realize, hey, socialism doesn't work.
And the people of Argentina have turned against socialism. They
like what Malay is doing, most of them unless they
work for the government, and it is working. You know,
Argentina over the last year is have the best stock
market of any country. People are starting going to invest

(01:01:16):
in there. And again now you asked the important question.
If Argentina can do it, why can't we do it? Yes,
you know, I mean Trump is talking about some I
mean the Republicans are talking about some minor cuts in
these programs. I mean, I don't know if you're hearing
this in Utah, but in many states, you know, every
you know, commercial on the TV and the radios, Republicans
are going to shut down rural hospitals, and pregnant women

(01:01:37):
aren't going to get healthcare and all this it's such lunacy.
All we're doing is cutting off the people are ineligible
for the program, the fraudsters. There's one hundred and fifty billion,
not million, billion dollars a year stolen from Medicaid. And
that's not my number, that's the government zone hounitors. And
for years nobody's done anything about that, and so we're

(01:01:57):
not I want to make sure people understand we're not
talking about you know, mother's not getting pretty metal care
or or you know it's caught it and shutting down hospitals.
We're saying, clean up the system, clean up the It's
almost like, you know, these these criminals are stealing money
right out of the taxpayer's pockets.

Speaker 2 (01:02:12):
You know, rarely do you have the receipts like you
do with Doge and with with the work that's been
done with this administration, where when Congress wants to cut
usually it's just by percentages. You have receipts, you can
prove to the people this is not this is the fraud,
the waste, not human beings being harmed. And yet where
is the political will. It's it's really discouraging.

Speaker 5 (01:02:33):
Well, I think, you know, Republicans in the end of
the day O pass a pretty good budget, don't remember they.
I mean, look, I'm hardly one to found the Republicans,
but I will say this that, you know, Mike Johnson
is a good friend of mine. He's an excellent speaker,
fantast He's done an incredible job. And you know, what's
the old saying that being the Speaker of the House
is like trying to herd cats. Yes, and it's so true,
and especially in the Congress, and he's only got two

(01:02:56):
or three votes to lose, and not one single Democrat,
by the way, will vote to prevent the biggest tax
increase in American history, because I guess they want the
middle class to pay more taxes. So it's kind of
a mess right now. You know, it's funny. I was
talking to Mike Johnson because you may recall that there
was some talk when they didn't have a speaker maybe
they would go with Elon Musk. If you can pick anybody,

(01:03:16):
you don't have to be a member of Congress, and
Speaker Johnson was very funny. He said, well, if he
wants this job, he can have.

Speaker 1 (01:03:21):
It, Steve, Are we going to get a big Are
we going to get a big, beautiful bill by July?

Speaker 4 (01:03:28):
Fourth?

Speaker 7 (01:03:30):
Oh?

Speaker 9 (01:03:31):
God?

Speaker 5 (01:03:31):
You know the latest now is that some Republicans want
to raise the top income tax rate and I will
not support. I will not support a bill that raises
tax rates. I mean, that is anathetical to everything we
believe in. And so you know, we've got a lot
of fights ahead that I think at the end of
the day, we will get this bill done. I would
like to see it done by Memorial Day, but I
think fourth of July is a more realistic thing. And

(01:03:53):
when that happens, if we get more of these trade
deals done, I think you're going to see a real
booming American economy.

Speaker 1 (01:03:58):
You got them and Steve Moore joined us on the
Rodden Greg Show in Utah's Talk Radio one oh five
nine canters. Now, Steve mentioned he had had a chance
to look at the numbers, but Greg has and he'll
break him down on what it means for the US economy.
Coming up right here on the Rod and Greg Show
in Utah's Talk Radio one oh five. Dine O, Kay nrs.
We have a new pope, an American surprising a lot
of people from Chicago. That's the big news today. But

(01:04:20):
the other big news today was, you know, even though
the fact that Jen p Flackey on MSNBC last night,
I said, hey, where's the evidence of a trade deal? Well,
guess what showed up today? A trade deal between the
US and the UK.

Speaker 3 (01:04:33):
That's right.

Speaker 2 (01:04:34):
And you know you had and you had the media
immediately discarded, well, this is low hanging through.

Speaker 3 (01:04:39):
This is our ally. Of course we do this.

Speaker 2 (01:04:41):
But as Liz Peak, one of our frequent guests on
the show, we played a clip from her that she's
the Biden administration was looking for one of these deals
with the UK for.

Speaker 3 (01:04:50):
A long time.

Speaker 2 (01:04:51):
Come and get it done. Yeah, good, going to get done.
So what is the deal? I got it in my
hand right here. Donald Trump put out this information this
morning after the announcement was made. Now, you remember on
the Day of Liberation what they called it today, if
you went to the United Kingdom, you'd see a ten
percent and ten percent, ten percent tariff your way, ten

(01:05:11):
percent our way.

Speaker 3 (01:05:12):
That's what it was going to be. What the tariff
used to be.

Speaker 2 (01:05:15):
Okay, if the United States was sending goods to the
UK and they were limited in what they could actually
send to the UK because they weren't taking everything that
we could potentially export, what the limited things we were
able to send to the UK, they were putting a
five point one percent tariff on our goods that we
were exporting. That tariff has been negotiated down to one

(01:05:39):
point eight percent. Okay, Now, they when they sent their
things and they could send everything they could make, possibly
anything they could make to the United States, they were
in they were seeing a three point four percent tariff.
That tariff has remained at ten percent. So all of
the UK's import coming into the United States will be

(01:06:03):
tariffed at ten percent. The exports that we sent to
the UK will be one point eight percent. Now here's
where it gets exciting, so unprecedented access, new access with
this one point eight percent tariff, we now have access
where we didn't have before with ethanol, beef, cereals, fruits, vegetables,

(01:06:25):
animal feed, tobaccos, soft drinks, shellfish, textiles, chemicals, machinery and more.
We're also there's also a pro procurement of rolls Royce
engines that are going to be sent into the United
States ten billion dollars worth of YEP to Boeing. Boeing
Airlines will procure ten billion dollars of rolls Royce Engines.

(01:06:49):
What it amounts to, folks is that we have the
United States now has new market access that amounts to
five billion dollars in exports that we have that we
didn't have prior to this trade agreement being inked. We
also have because their tariff coming in is going to
be a ten percent, a six billion dollar tariff revenue,
five billion dollars of new access, six billion dollars of revenue,

(01:07:12):
and the unprecedented access to the UK market on things
we were never able to have before. That bad is
an art of a deal. That is the art of
the deal. Pharmaceuticals, they're going to secure the supply chain.
There's going to be a quota on UK auto exports.
Ten percent tariff on one hundred thousand is the quota.
I'm telling you right now that that deal right there,

(01:07:33):
for other past administrations that haven't been able to make
that deal, that started because we just said ten percent
ten percent just out the gate and we negotiated from
that spot on. You're going to see more of those,
I believe, but I don't know how they're pretty hard
to argue.

Speaker 1 (01:07:45):
YEA, why does it feel like we really came out
to win a round?

Speaker 3 (01:07:49):
Because we did. I just showed it.

Speaker 6 (01:07:51):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:07:51):
I have a friend who is from the UK and
I shared this with him and they were they didn't
think this was very fair. I said, well, they agreed
to it.

Speaker 3 (01:08:00):
They inked it. They agreed the deal.

Speaker 2 (01:08:03):
Five billion of new market access and six billion dollars
in revenue tariff revenue. Sounds like a deal to me.
But they do get some other things. They get the
bowing the rolls Royce engines is a huge deal.

Speaker 7 (01:08:13):
It is.

Speaker 3 (01:08:13):
They go to Boeing and they get a lot more.

Speaker 1 (01:08:15):
Yeah, it is. And if you if you go back
to what Jim Psake was saying, you know, where's the deal?
Well they can't. They can't ask that question anymore because
we have a deal. And my guess is more and
more are going to roll out. And boy do I
agree with Steve Moore. If we get some of these
major trade deals done and the Republicans in Congress get
off their fat butts and get everything else done, this

(01:08:37):
economy is going to just soar.

Speaker 3 (01:08:40):
It's exciting.

Speaker 2 (01:08:41):
I related that we could have we could have an
economy where our children and grandchildren really will have a
better quality of life than we've had. And that's been
the promise, and that's been the case the American dream,
but it has not felt that way for me and
my own kids. I look at my kids and morey,
they're not going to have the same quality of life.

Speaker 1 (01:08:59):
So all right, more coming up. As a matter of fact,
we were talking about you know, President Trump had said
we need to bring jobs back to America. Well, if
we do, in fact bring those jobs back, are people
willing to work in a factory? We'll talking man manufacturing jobs.
Coming up here on the Rotting Greg Show, Queen Bee.

Speaker 3 (01:09:17):
New as it Minckey she was in. That's not going
to count for her gifts?

Speaker 1 (01:09:21):
Is that what she told you?

Speaker 3 (01:09:22):
Yeah, it doesn't count.

Speaker 1 (01:09:23):
I'm sorry, So you got to go find something ill? Yes,
me too, that's right. I just got back from vacation.
What more does the woman want?

Speaker 3 (01:09:30):
I know you went to Hawaii. You're good.

Speaker 2 (01:09:34):
I just say, just tell her I said, you're fine
for another's day. I'm sure that'll get you far, say,
he says.

Speaker 1 (01:09:41):
All taking care of this rodeo, Queen, don't worry about it, right,
all right, we were just talking about the economy and
the president. Of course, his goal is to bring manufacturing
back to the United States of America. He's already starting
to show some success in that regards. My guess the
question is, Greg, do Americans nowadays want to go back

(01:10:03):
to work in a factory? Do they?

Speaker 2 (01:10:06):
It's a page right, I'd say yes. I think you
got to know a little bit about what you're manufacturing,
what the job, you know, what the scope of work is.
But if it's a way to make a good living,
as oppose that sociology degree that you've gotten you're one
hundred and twenty k out of in debt, if you're.

Speaker 3 (01:10:20):
Not from your school in.

Speaker 1 (01:10:21):
Your time barista at Starbucks with your degree.

Speaker 3 (01:10:24):
Yes, if it's not that, there could be an appeal
for sure.

Speaker 4 (01:10:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:10:28):
Well, joining us on our Newsmaker line to talk about
a brand new study that shows a lot of Americans
are willing to work in a factory. His name is
Parker Shepherd, Parker's economist at the Heritage Foundation. Parker, what
are we hearing about manufacturing jobs coming back to the
United States and do Americans want them?

Speaker 19 (01:10:45):
Well, I've been looking into it, starting from a recent
poll that went around and asked Americans, do you think
there should be more manufacturing in America? Eighty percent of
people said yes, But when asked, would you yourself want
to work work in a factory, only twenty five percent
of people said yes. And a lot of the reaction
to that poll said that most people didn't want to

(01:11:07):
put their money where their mouth is, but they didn't
really want to work in a factory. But they completely
missed that twenty five percent of people who don't already
work in a factory would more than double manufacturing employment.
That's thirty seven million people that could work in a
factory when there's already twelve million people working in manufacturing.
So yeah, the data shows that there is a lot

(01:11:29):
of interest in a good, stable manufacturing job.

Speaker 5 (01:11:33):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:11:33):
And I found this to be absolutely fascinting because you're right,
twenty five percent of our population, and when you look
at the ones that they responded to, because it was workers,
there was active, active workers. Thirty six million is not
a small number. That means that we certainly do have
an emerging workforce or an interested workforce. I guess my
question is that is in the hypothetical, don't you think
that number even grows as our young people see the

(01:11:55):
success of those who can find a career and have
a life and a good life in manufacturing. I come
from Pittsburgh where that was the case for generations. So
in the abject there might be thirty six million more
that would like to try it. Do you think that
number could even grow as we see more manufacturing jobs
potentially roll out.

Speaker 19 (01:12:16):
I think that's possible. I think the appeal of a
manufacturing job is that it's very good for somebody who
has only a high school education. You don't necessarily have
to go to college to work in a factory, but
there is a level of skill that is needed to
work in a factory, and that skill is going up.
So specialized training to be able to work in the

(01:12:36):
advanced manufacturing factories that we have today means that you
can't just fall out of high school into a factory job.
You have to have a little bit of training to
meet the skills that these employers need. In a Wall
Street Journal just yesterday published in an article that said, there
are high schoolers that have seventy thousand dollars a year
job offers because they have the right skills that can

(01:12:58):
fill this skill gap that the manufacturers are noticing.

Speaker 1 (01:13:02):
Mark, you're bringing up the money, of course, I would
think that'd be the number one issue on most people's
minds when it comes to working in the factory. How
does working in a factory in the pay that an
individual receives compares to other areas like healthcare, transportation, sales?
How do they compare?

Speaker 19 (01:13:19):
So there are a few industries where if medium pay
is below manufacturing or early pay is below manufacturing, a
lot of sales, a lot of transportation basically like grounds maintenance,
those are a little bit belower than manufacturing. So people

(01:13:40):
that are currently in those jobs are would be interested
in moving to a higher paying offer from manufacturing. But
there's also the flip side of that. So there's been
a discussion within about the manufacturing industry as to the
role of automation. Automation has meant that there's been less

(01:14:01):
of a demand for labor intensive positions, but also some
of the other sectors that besides manufacturing are subject to
automation as well. So some of those jobs like treating
transportation and trucking as rivalist cars are coming around, automation

(01:14:21):
in those sectors can also increase the wages and the
productivity of the people that are working in there, and let
them make a move to something that's like working in manufacturing.

Speaker 2 (01:14:32):
So here's what weighs on my mind. You look at
these autonomous vehicles, you look at technology, it looks like
it's a move away from labor, and I'm all in.
I believe the skilled labor and the skilled workers are integral.
There's not going to be a high school scenario where
you're not going to where you can just fall into
a well paying manufacturing job. But how do you what's

(01:14:52):
your sense of technology and how it's progressing and the
role of the American worker in manufacturing.

Speaker 3 (01:14:58):
Is there still a role?

Speaker 19 (01:15:00):
I think? I think technological progress is not something to
be feared. This goes back all the way back to
the Luddites when they were first inventing the sewing loom
and that was increasing their production of textiles. The way
that your wages get paid is based on the value
of what you are able to do with your labor.

(01:15:22):
So when you are able to make use of more
advanced tools your labor, your wages go up because your
labor is more productive. And there's this constant trade off
within the economy of creative destruction. Advancements in technology mean
that some jobs are not necessary. But then the people

(01:15:42):
who are displaced from those jobs, they can get new
training and they can go and move into other jobs
and become more productive. So for ever, every line manufacturing
position that is eliminated by the installation of a robot,
you create a job in somebody who has to maintain
the robot. So there are new positions that are opening

(01:16:04):
up and new skills that are developing, and the development
of technology is constantly pushing that front.

Speaker 1 (01:16:08):
You Parker, what about will people move to go where
the manufacturing jobs are? You know, Greg gask the question
a couple of weeks ago about you know, the rust
belt in the Midwest are what if those factories don't
go back to those states but go to the south
or go to the Mountain West like here we are
here in Utah. Are people willing do you think to
move to get those manufacturing jobs.

Speaker 19 (01:16:30):
I think it's something that they should consider. That has
been the trend over the past couple of years. You've
seen factories closing in Midwest and Northeast states and opening
up in the South and the West. And that's that
means that places where those factories are leaving just need

(01:16:51):
to be a little bit more creative about how to
fill in what is replacing them. The problem that we've
seen historically is not that factories are closing down, it's
that there's nothing that's coming up after those factories to replace.
It's harder and harder to start a business to open
up a new facility in in the United States, and

(01:17:14):
we've seen that the rates of firms opening new establishments
building new factories in the place of ones that have
have closed has declined. So what really matters is not
so much are people willing to move to where new
factories are opening, but how can we make it easier
for factories to open in places where the pre existing

(01:17:35):
industries have been closing.

Speaker 1 (01:17:36):
Yeah, that's what you brought up, Greg, If you bring
them back to some of these rust belt states, right, yeah,
but if they're run by Democratic leaders, it's actually they're
going to make a difficult to reopen factories. It'll be
too expensive to reopen.

Speaker 2 (01:17:47):
Exactly the unions and the and the and not the
good ones that they just does just put so much,
so many barriers there. You know where they'll go, they'll
go to Tennessee, they'll come to Utah. They're going to
go They're going to go to the states that are
right to work, states that lower barriers and tax burdens,
and you'll see the economy fly. You will until those states,
Michigan and these rustled states get Republicans in there that

(01:18:08):
want to actually grow their economy.

Speaker 1 (01:18:09):
More coming up the Rod and Gregg Show in Utah's
Talk Radio one O five nine k n R S
Jesse Kelly is coming away. Yes, he's been having a
field day of late. He is, guys, just going crazy.

Speaker 8 (01:18:23):
Love.

Speaker 3 (01:18:24):
I love listening to him. He is good. He is good.

Speaker 2 (01:18:26):
Hey, So I might I might rethink the whole flag thing.
I know we talked about with our listeners for a while,
But there might be a flag other than the American
flag and our state flag that I could get behind.
Watching Today, Watching the Watching Today from from Rome in
the Vatican, Vatican City. The CBS News report shared this,

(01:18:49):
there was.

Speaker 15 (01:18:49):
Either a woman from Pittsburgh who had, if you're a
Pittsburgh Steelers fan, the terrible towel, the yellow.

Speaker 7 (01:18:55):
Towel they wave at football games.

Speaker 15 (01:18:57):
She held that up and wanted to pictures.

Speaker 3 (01:19:00):
So yes, the terrible towel. What was I thinking?

Speaker 2 (01:19:06):
I should have demanded that the mayor from Midville have
a terrible towel. I should have been the terrible towel.
That's you know, that's the Steelers. I mean even Charlie
Daniels talks about the Pittsburgh Steeler fans in his song
about America.

Speaker 1 (01:19:18):
Does anybody outside of Pittsburgh care about the terrible towel?

Speaker 2 (01:19:21):
Everybody loves every well, first, everyone's a Steeler fan, and
everybody loves Everybody.

Speaker 1 (01:19:26):
Loves well and not in the room next door, where.

Speaker 2 (01:19:29):
Is well anyone sensible about sports? They love the Steelers
so well.

Speaker 1 (01:19:33):
I will say one thing about you fans.

Speaker 2 (01:19:37):
Guy just says, no, it's not the terrible towel. We
could put that in every government building.

Speaker 1 (01:19:43):
I will say one thing about you. What and about what?
HA getting around with you for the months that we
have now seems like decades. But you're passionate about your
hometown sports. Yes, I am the Steelers, the Penguins, the Pirates.
You you are dedicated I am. No matter how much
they suck.

Speaker 3 (01:20:04):
I know they put me through a lot.

Speaker 1 (01:20:05):
You just hang in there with them.

Speaker 2 (01:20:06):
I'm not I'm not one of these Sunshine Patriots, and Nope,
I am a I am not a fair weather fan.

Speaker 1 (01:20:11):
I admire that about you.

Speaker 2 (01:20:12):
My kids they love that. They love all the Pittsburgh sports.
I raised them right now. But they will like these
sports that I like generally. So they'll talk about the NFL,
they'll talk about I don't know any of the I
don't know any of the players. I only know Pittsburgh
players and on the Penguins, on the on the Steelers,
on the Pirates.

Speaker 3 (01:20:28):
I don't care about the other teams.

Speaker 1 (01:20:29):
We're in document and our grandchildren. Yes, Yankees, Okay, Cowboys Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:20:36):
Well I was just gonna say, what a miserable that's
someone called d CFS. What's happening here? These poor children?
That's a bandwagon fan? The Yankees and Cowboys go tomorrow.

Speaker 1 (01:20:53):
It is thank Rod and Greg is Friday Tomorrow. We've
got a lot to talk about with you tomorrow. So
we invite you to join us at all start tomorrow
at four, including very manimal.

Speaker 3 (01:21:03):
Oh yeah, you're not gonna I miss this one. This
is one for the ages.

Speaker 1 (01:21:07):
Head off, shoulders back. May God bless you and your
family and this great country. We'll talk to you tomorrow,

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