February 20, 2025 • 67 mins
The Rod and Greg Show Daily Rundown – Thursday, February 20, 2025
4:05 pm: Cole Bagley of the Professional Hockey Writers Association joins the program for a preview of tonight’s 4 Nations Faceoff final in Boston between Canada and the United States.
4:20 pm: Steve Moore, economist and co-founder of Unleash Prosperity, joins the program for his weekly visit with Rod and Greg to discuss politics and the nation’s economy, and today they’ll discuss possible tax refunds for Americans, and President Trump’s negotiations with Ukraine.
4:38 pm: Former Utah Speaker of the House Brad Wilson was recently named the CEO of the 2034 Winter Olympics, and he joins the show to discuss the challenges ahead in prepping for the return of the games to Salt Lake City.
6:05 pm: Steven Camarota, Director of Research at the Center for Immigration Studies, joins Rod and Greg to discuss results of a new study showing immigrants are arriving in America less educated than in the past.
6:38 pm: Hayden Dublois, Data and Analytics Director at the Foundation for Government Accountability, joins the show for a conversation about his New York Post piece in which he outlines how federal employees that are Democrats outnumber Republicans at federal agencies.
4:05 pm: Cole Bagley of the Professional Hockey Writers Association joins the program for a preview of tonight’s 4 Nations Faceoff final in Boston between Canada and the United States.
4:20 pm: Steve Moore, economist and co-founder of Unleash Prosperity, joins the program for his weekly visit with Rod and Greg to discuss politics and the nation’s economy, and today they’ll discuss possible tax refunds for Americans, and President Trump’s negotiations with Ukraine.
4:38 pm: Former Utah Speaker of the House Brad Wilson was recently named the CEO of the 2034 Winter Olympics, and he joins the show to discuss the challenges ahead in prepping for the return of the games to Salt Lake City.
6:05 pm: Steven Camarota, Director of Research at the Center for Immigration Studies, joins Rod and Greg to discuss results of a new study showing immigrants are arriving in America less educated than in the past.
6:38 pm: Hayden Dublois, Data and Analytics Director at the Foundation for Government Accountability, joins the show for a conversation about his New York Post piece in which he outlines how federal employees that are Democrats outnumber Republicans at federal agencies.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Coming up, Steve Moore will join us, the former Speaker
of the House, not you, but Brad Wilson. Brad Wilson
will be joining us. He has a new job. Now, yeah,
he found work. I was worried about him.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
I wasn't.
Speaker 3 (00:12):
But yeah, he's keeping himself busy now.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
Yes, yeah, he's like getting the Olympics together in nine
years from now, we'll talk about that, we'll talk about immigration,
and we'll talk about the foundation for government accountability. The
number of Democrats who outnumber Republicans when it comes to
working for federal agencies.
Speaker 4 (00:31):
That was surprise you.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
I'm not I can I can already guess that one.
Speaker 4 (00:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
I don't even need a I don't even need a
poll to to movie.
Speaker 4 (00:37):
It's all of them, that is. It's a pretty close,
pretty close all right.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
Well, the big story of the day, there's a little
hockey game coming up tonight in Boston. Yes, I can't wait,
between Canada and the US Team USA.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
Now, look, we haven't beat Canada. We beat him on
Saturday night, hadn't been. It's the first time like in
what sixteen years, I think, So, yeah, it's all a
waste if we don't win tonight. You gotta win the
whole thing. Yeah, you gotta win the whole You gotta
win the whole thing. So the only way to make
Saturday Night with three fights in the first nine seconds
as epic as it was, is to finish off Canada
(01:12):
the Canucks the night in Boston.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
Well, they wanted the president to come. Apparently he is
too busy. I understand that the guys running the government,
you know, he.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
Would have loved to do.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
Yeah, he was got a previous commitment. I think this
was some governors, some kind of event. So, yes, he
can't make it, but I think he called in.
Speaker 4 (01:30):
Yeah, yeah, Well he's scheduled to call in.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
I don't know if that has happened as of yet,
but he's scheduled to call into the team locker room
for the USA and give him a little bit of
a pet talk.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
I know he's going to say, what beat him?
Speaker 3 (01:42):
We win so much, we get tired of winning. Don't
be too tired of winning. Just for one more time.
Speaker 4 (01:46):
We'll get him.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
Well, if you want to get just a flavor of it,
this is a Canadian minister.
Speaker 4 (01:52):
He's a public official with the Canadian legislature.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
Right, a very low bar and he was talking handball
off the curb. He was talking about Donald Trump at
an event celebrating the sixtieth anniversary of the Canadian flag.
This is what he said about our president, play that
if you will to he rate.
Speaker 5 (02:11):
So on this festival where we celebrate Canada as a
nation and our flag. I am encouraged. I want to
thank Canadians. I want to say we are strong, we
do not bend, and we will never ever ever kiss
the ring of that gangster from mar Lago.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
Did he just call our president a gangster from mar
a Lago? I think he just did.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
If he day is gonna be swimming with the fishes.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
I'm gonna tell you right now, you don't be calling
our president a gangster. You doesn't even know that's a compliment. Okay,
I heard you say it. Now we'll see, well, we'll
see TSA. They're going to extract a little come uppance
for that.
Speaker 4 (02:51):
Do you think so? Yeah, you think so?
Speaker 2 (02:52):
We're strong, we don't bend. Uh, You're not strong and
all you do is bend. It's my opinion.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
Okay, Well we sure we have a hockey expert on
the show right now, is yeah, he's on Cole Bagley.
He is with the Professional Hockey Writers Association, also a
beat reporter for the Utah Hockey Club. Cole, Welcome to
the Roden Greg Show. Thanks for being with us tonight. Cole,
Welcome to the show.
Speaker 4 (03:17):
Thanks.
Speaker 6 (03:17):
It's an honor to be on. I think I'm the
second most famous Bagley that's ever been on the show.
My mom has been on many times, so following.
Speaker 4 (03:27):
Yes she has now Cole. Welcome to the business. Welcome
to the show. Welcome to the show. Cole.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
Now, my guess is you probably weren't around in nineteen
eighty when the US beat Russell.
Speaker 4 (03:38):
That's just my guy.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
That wasn't even that would have been fine.
Speaker 4 (03:43):
Yeah, my guy.
Speaker 6 (03:44):
Laugh is just for you, Greg.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
Thank you.
Speaker 7 (03:47):
Thanks.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
Cole.
Speaker 4 (03:48):
Talk about the build up to this game tonight? Is it?
Speaker 1 (03:51):
What's your sense about the build up to this game tonight?
Speaker 6 (03:55):
I mean, this is huge, This is Goliath against Goliath.
This is too heavyweights, and there's so much anticipation for
this game. I mean, I don't know if you guys
were able to watch these two go out of the
other night, but it's just been you know that that
was just the result of so much build up, you know,
NHL players have not been able to represent their countries
for quite a while, you know, more than a decade.
(04:17):
They've been left out of the Olympics, and so this
is the first time we've had best on best for.
Speaker 4 (04:22):
A long time.
Speaker 6 (04:23):
And it did not disappoint.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
You know.
Speaker 6 (04:25):
It was the it was the top talents in the world.
It was the the two best countries going at it.
And it was an unforgettable evening of of hockey in
Canada where where the US came out on top and
and showed those Canucks, you know, how to play the
game that that they they introduced to the world, and
it was it was something special. And now we're we're
getting the second edition to that. But there's hardware on
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the line this time, and and it's in Boston, so
you couldn't have you couldn't ask for a better setting
and a better game to to tune into tonight, regardless
if you're a hockey fan or not.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
So it is all the talk, it's it's actually u
it's all over it doesn't You don't have to go
to an ESPN or a sports channel to watch it.
Everybody's talking about this game tonight. UH Saturday Night, Three
Fights in the first nine seconds. Bash Brothers, what's their
name there? What's the name of the two to Chuck brothers?
The dad that we have, the father you see him
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throwing in his day, you know, in the same game,
you know, in an international game against Canada. So here's
my question. A lot of pent up aggression. I think
they didn't like how loudly they were booed when they
were even playing Finland by the Canadian crowd.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
But do you see a repeat of that?
Speaker 3 (05:33):
Who's gonna I think they really established themselves as the
dominant team when they just started brawling it before a
hockey game could break out. Cole, what happens in the
game tonight when Boston? Are they going to get fights
at the beginning? What's going to look like?
Speaker 6 (05:47):
I mean, I certainly hope so I think the appeal right, I.
Speaker 4 (05:51):
Mean, yes, absolutely, people.
Speaker 6 (05:52):
Are There's a lot of non hockey people that are
tuning in and they're expecting, you know, some punches to
be thrown. And so I hope that the uh, the
lunatics as Father Keith called his sons Brady and Matthew
the other day, I hope that they're ready to go again.
And that's just the brand of USA hockey. You know,
it's it's smash smash, mouth in your face. Uh, you know,
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super physical. You know, they were able to lay some
incredible hits on you know, a guy like Connor McDavid
and Drew Dowdy. You know, if if they can do
that again tonight, perfect, you know, come out, drop the gloves,
throw some hits, you know. And I said this, I
said this earlier today. You know, this is the only
time I'm giving somebody permission to actually hit Sidney Crosby. Now,
(06:34):
don't hit him too hard if they if they want
to hit him, they want to hit him, that's okay
with me, just for.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
To night, just justin.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
I am so with you.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
That is our Sidney kid. I love someding, you know,
we both do. And I I never want to see
it after tonight that today we can do it. Which
team's faster real quick? Which one do you think is quicker?
I know McDavid's is lightning, But who's the faster team?
Speaker 6 (06:57):
I think it's Canada just with m david and Kill mccarr.
I mean, those are three of the fastest players in
the world. And when when Canada's penalty, you know, power
play unit comes out. That's that's scary, that's dangerous.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
So fast and they move so fast, So it's going
to come down, I think, Cole, would you agree Canada
speed against America's toughness and its physicality.
Speaker 6 (07:21):
Yeah, for sure. I mean that's that's what it was
the other night. And you know, physicality and and you
know kind of just grouve force in your face. Domination
is what won the day. And we'll see if the
United States can do it again.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
All right, Well, it's going to be a fun one
to watch, Cole. Appreciate a few minutes of your time
and USA USA.
Speaker 4 (07:38):
Thanks Cole.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
This kid's been a living breathing his whole life. I've
watched this come I've seen this kid come up and
he's a good reporter. He's covering hockey here in Utah
and he's he knows the game. Well, thanks for joining
us on the programs.
Speaker 6 (07:51):
Yeah, appreciate it. And play some freebird for me when
you go out your next quick All right.
Speaker 4 (07:59):
Cole Bagley joined in US.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
As we talk about the big game tonight, you make
I I just think revenge is on Canada's mind.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
Is going to be tough for the USA. To beat
them again, beat them twice. When you have beat them great, Yeah,
it's it is tough. But I'm telling you what what
a venue. And I do think that that, you know,
Canada reporters would like to tell you that Canada somehow
an underdog in this game.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
In this match, it's they're not not at all.
Speaker 3 (08:21):
But I think I think USA pulls it out and
I'm going to be watching it and cheering.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
See you. That was saying we needed moisture. We need
the moisture.
Speaker 4 (08:30):
Yeah, we need moisture.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
Are you happy now?
Speaker 6 (08:32):
No?
Speaker 4 (08:32):
We still need more. We still need more.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
We checked this box. I'm done with this snow, I'm done.
Speaker 4 (08:36):
We still need a little bit more pace. We have
something to give away. We do show. Do you want
to explain to people.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
Ladies and gentlemen.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
I've gone to great links I again again, I've avoided
all corporate.
Speaker 4 (08:49):
Protocol to do this.
Speaker 3 (08:50):
We have here on premise for your enjoyment if you win, uh,
your very own unique on Greg Show hat. These are
the coolest hats in the world, very much so. We
got two kinds we have that. We have the the
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We have we have the flat bill that all the
(09:11):
kids are wearing, and it's red. Because you know we're conservative.
Maggot doesn't monopolized the red hat, right, So we got
our red Roden Gregg show hats.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
He says Karen us on side, A very beautiful hat.
So if you come in.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
First, first one that comes in and says I love
the Rod and Gregg show at Motor Sportsland, we'll let
you choose your hat.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
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of the road.
Speaker 4 (09:36):
First one that comes down by, you can get one
of those hats I got.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
I tell you, I don't know that I can explain
the cool the level of coolness this hat is like
it's a branded bill hat.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
If you're into hats.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
It's a cool hat. Yeah, and they're they're unique. All right,
let's talk with Steve Moore for a few minutes, shall we.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
Let's do it.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
Steve Moore, of course, top economic advisor to President Trump
during his first term in office. Of course, is always
great to have Steve on an economist. Steve, thanks for
joining us this afternoon. Steve, Let's talk about what Donald
Trump and Elon Musk talked about yesterday in their interview
with Sean Hennity that with all the money they're saving,
they may in fact give each American a five thousand
(10:15):
dollars refund or rebate.
Speaker 4 (10:18):
Let me tell you what, Steve, what do you think
of that idea?
Speaker 7 (10:22):
Well, it's going to be tough. I mean, everybody loves
to if you have a refund on their taxes. But
the problem is we're running, you know, these enormous deficits
right now, and it seems to me it's going to
be very difficult in any time in the short term.
You know by that, I mean the next few years
to be able to get the debt deficit down to
(10:42):
zero so that we could actually afford to pay a
refund to people. So it's a nice idea, and it's
a nice goal, but I wouldn't hold your breath to
get one.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
So only when we speak with you do I hear
anything that sounds like the fate we that we may
if the Donald Trump tax cuts are not extended. I
hate saying it that way, because there is no tax
cut in our future. It is just the current tax
burden we bear now, just the one where's no tax cut.
(11:13):
The burden we have right now abs and congressional action,
we will we will face a tax increase. Do you
know how many people do not understand my question when
I say, are you going to stop the tax increase
from coming? We don't have a tax cut, we have
a tax burden, we have a tax create increase coming.
Can it be stopped?
Speaker 2 (11:34):
And they don't know what I'm talking about?
Speaker 8 (11:36):
What?
Speaker 2 (11:36):
What are people missing?
Speaker 7 (11:39):
Well, it's the numbers of Congress. They don't seem to
understand what you just said. And what you said is
exactly right that the failure is not an option here,
and an action is not an option. We have to
get this tax bill extended, and we need to get
it extended as rapidly as possible. You know, the clock
is ticking here. On January first, the tax ci goes away,
and as you just said, they every family days a
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three thousand dollars tax increase. That's enormous, and nobody wants
to see that. It's the surest way for Republicans to
lose the midterm elections. It's the surest way to make
sure that we don't get the kind of economic recovery
we deserve. So I don't understand the logic of why
Republicans are dithering on this. It's very frustrating because we
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you know, by the way, every single business so in
America would face a higher tax burden. That's no way
to create jobs.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
Steve you mentioned, of course, I think in your your
Daily Minute that you put out the GOBINDI do unleash prosperity.
You talked about it and you said, come on, Congress,
what are you waiting for?
Speaker 4 (12:41):
Just do it? What is holding them ups? Do you
have any thought? Yeah?
Speaker 7 (12:45):
I mean it's the Nike ad right, just ye, yes, So,
and you think about the Republicans of the House. They
have the Senate, they have the presidency. You've got a
present with a fifty three percent approval rating, you've got
a president with a voter to get the tax cuts done,
and you've got an economy that needs to pick me up.
So I don't understand the logic of waiting. And a
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lot of my friends on Wall Street and the business
are getting very concerned that they may not get this done.
And so it has to get done. And I'm tired
of beving some of my Republican conservative friends to say, well,
let's sa add all these budget cuts to the tax bill. Now,
let's get the tax bill done. Everybody agrees on that,
and then we can have a fight on the budget.
And there's nobody wants to cut spending and take a
(13:30):
chainsaw of the budget more than I do. But I
think holding that tax cuts hostage to budget cuts is
a really bad and dangerous idea. You know you just
said it.
Speaker 3 (13:39):
So sometimes as of recovering, you know, public servant, if
you want to deliver a tax cut, if you want
to deliver a tax cut, you are looking at the
math of what if you lowered the rate, less money,
less revenue would arrive. There is when I hear a
member of Congress tell me, well, we have to pay
for this extension of the tax cut. No, you don't,
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because you're going to get the same revenue you've always
been getting. If you don't raise our taxes, you don't
have to pay to keep our tax rate the same.
There's not paying for it, like you so called pay
for a tax cut. If you were to get less
or tax less, we're just asking to not be taxed more.
Speaker 4 (14:19):
Why are they.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
Continue to saying, well, we've got to we've got to
figure out how we're going to pay for that. There's
nothing to pay for.
Speaker 7 (14:25):
No, there's exactly right. I mean, the fact is, I
mean you've put it very well that they have to
use what's called the current policy baseline, and the current
policy is the tax cut, and you know they can
just keep extending that, hopefully make it permanent because it
was a big success. And instantly the Congressional Budget Office
that it's going to cost four trillion dollars to extend
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the tax cut. Well, wait a minute, four trillion dollars,
that's ridiculous. These are the same people that it would
cost two trillion dollars to do it the first time,
and we didn't lose any money at all. So I
think it's a bogus score. I think Republicans should not
chain themselves to a congressional There's nothing in the law
that says Congressional Budget Office is the final jury and
judge on this. Why don't we use common sense? And
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look what happened when we passed the tax cut and
the revenues came in, you know, at a very high levels.
So we're going to do great damage to the economy
if we don't get this done. So get going. And
then you guys just said just do it.
Speaker 3 (15:20):
Well, that's a four trillion dollar tax increase, is what
they're saying. If that's how they're calculatingly, that's a four
trillion dollar tax increase.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
My goodness.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
Yeah, sorry, I'm randing a bit, but I just you're
the only one that understands.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
You're the only one. Yeah, Well, we and we need
to give Steve credit. Could you worked on this tax
cut plan?
Speaker 4 (15:37):
Is that right? Steven with with Brenton Trump? Yeah?
Speaker 7 (15:40):
Yes, And when I saw the President about a week
and a half ago, two weeks ago, and the first
thing I said to him, as which President, that tax
cut turned out better than we even thought it would.
You know, we got a great job growth we got
remember before COVID hit, we got the biggest boom ever
in the economy. And the revenue it's not a revenue
problem in Washington. Let me say that out there, we
have plenty of tax revenues. We just spend way too
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much money. And you know, I think, as you guys
said earlier, just go back to the amount of money
you spent before COVID and we've got basically a balanced punchest.
So this isn't that hard. They're making it too difficult.
And the American people want it, they deserve it, and
that the cost of failure is not just you know,
a damaged economy, but the Republicans will get thrown out
on their bucks in November of twenty twenty six if
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they don't deliver.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
Steve, final question for you before we let you go,
there is a little hockey game taking place in Boston.
You want to weigh in on this one, Steve, make
a prediction about it.
Speaker 7 (16:36):
Oh, I'm going to have to go with us A.
Speaker 3 (16:38):
That's right, yes's absolutely right.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
USA.
Speaker 7 (16:42):
I think I think I think I heard that A
Trump is suiting up for that game.
Speaker 3 (16:47):
Heard here first, folks, it's official. He never In fact,
we're so tired of winning, it's fatiguing to win as
much as he wins.
Speaker 7 (16:57):
All right, guys, that a great weekend.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
Hey, you to thank you?
Speaker 4 (17:00):
All right?
Speaker 1 (17:01):
Steve Moore, chief economist at one time for President Trump,
now working with the Committee to Unleash Prosperity, and of
course talking about working with a Heritage foundation as well. Now,
when we come back on the Rod and Gregg Show,
Brad Wilson, who has a new job to head up
the Olympics, we'll join us right here as we continue
with our live broadcast from motorsports Land, their big RV
(17:23):
Mega Tent event.
Speaker 4 (17:24):
We invite you to come on by.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
We'll be here until seven o'clock tonight. More coming up
on the Rod and Gregg Show. Brad Wilson, Who did
he take your place?
Speaker 2 (17:32):
He did?
Speaker 4 (17:33):
Ye took Greg Hughes's place to Speaker of the House.
Has a new job. He's not trying and run the Olympics.
Speaker 3 (17:39):
Well, you know, the house is like herding cats. This one,
this is like hurd and cats. It's nothing, It's easy
compared to the house. I'm telling you, this is a
snoozer job compared to the house.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
Yeah, that's for sure. Old Brad is joining us on
our newsmaker line. Brad, congratulations on your selection to be
CEO of the Olympics coming to Utah in twenty thirty four.
As the world arrives. Brad, you've got some challenges out there.
What are your initial thoughts on this new job and
new opportunity.
Speaker 8 (18:04):
We absolutely are Utah will host the world and represent
our country in February of twenty thirty four, and we
couldn't be more excited about it.
Speaker 3 (18:14):
So you've been a phenomenal Speaker of the House. We
work together when I served in the House, and I
think we made a phenomenal team. But when you say
twenty thirty six, I can't even fathom what the world
looks like when I'm in nine years. For me, what's
the first step you do? I mean, when something's out
that far in terms of an event, what are you
working on? Give our listeners an idea? What are you
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working on today as the CEO of our Olympic Committee?
Speaker 8 (18:40):
Yeah, well, Greg, I will just say that it was
a great time working with you, but thanks. We know
we've got about thirty two hundred days between now and
twenty thirty four when the Olympics arrive here, and so yeah,
you're right, it's a little bit of a long time.
And in fact, in some ways we're really lucky. We
got awarded these Olympics about two and a half years
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earlier than most cities or most states would and the
question that we've got to answer is how do we
use that time to our advantage? And so we're in
the process of figuring that out. To be honest with you,
we don't know all the answers yet. One of the
things that I'm going to do very first, My role
as CEO is go on a listening tour to all
the communities that are going to host these events, but
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also to other parts of the state, rural Utah, southern Utah,
and try to learn how they want to be engaged.
As we ramp up to host these amazing Olympic Olympic Games,
and we are in the process of what we're calling
the Foundational Phase. We're going to engage our youth in
a tremendous way, not just in Utah, but think about
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this for a minute, because we've got so much time.
There could be kids going to school today somewhere in
Utah or other places in our country that could become
Olympians nine years from now. And we want to do
everything we can to not just host a great Olympics
for the world, but also make sure the Team USA
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has a very strong podium showing in nine years that
we have great athletes and the youth of today are
the athletes of tomorrow.
Speaker 4 (20:18):
Right.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
What about the facilities and what we'll need to do
As far as the facilities are concerned, I know we
did a great job.
Speaker 4 (20:25):
We continue to maintain them. They're continue they're being used
right now. Is it going to take you foresee a
huge upgrade of the facilities we have construction and new facilities.
I know it's early in the game right now, but
what's your take on that. I mean, to me, I
think we're in pretty good shape.
Speaker 8 (20:42):
You know what you just described right as actually the
cornerstone of why we became the host for twenty thirty four,
and it's because our venues are Olympic ready today. We
don't have to do virtually anything to get ready to
host the Olympics. And it's for two different reasons. One is,
at the end of the two thousand and two Olympics,
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there was a legacy fund that was created, and that
about seventy five million dollars has been used to maintain
those venues and to keep our youth and athletes in
them every day since two thousand and two. But also
the state has invested a lot of money, probably about
seventy to eighty million dollars over the last twenty years
(21:24):
to upgrade and maintain those venues. And really we would
have done that regardless of whether or not we were
going to be hosting a future Winter Olympics, because they're
really used. I mean, they're used heavily. But anyway, because
we've got these venues, they're ready to go. We literally
could host the Olympics next year if we wanted to
without having to build anything.
Speaker 3 (21:46):
That's amazing, you know. Leading up to the two thousand
and two Winter Games, I mean, as lawmakers, we heard
about all the marshaling of federal funds and grants for
transportation infrastructure, things that we use today that really aren't
related to the Olympics. By as hosts of the World
Winter Games, really we could put on a fast track
and see that funding and that transportation infrastructure built in
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preparation for that event. Do you see a similar path
for Utah for its transportation infrastructure getting ready for these
Winter Olympics this time around.
Speaker 4 (22:20):
Yeah, I think it's going to be a little bit different.
Speaker 8 (22:22):
You'll all remember if you were here then the reconstruction
of I fifteen and events of the Olympics tracks went in.
We will absolutely take advantage of the next nine years
to what I would describe is use the Olympics as
a catalyst to help us maybe advance some infrastructure projects
that we would be doing anyway, but maybe we can
(22:44):
get federal dollars to help us get those done sooner.
But you're not going to see a big gold rush
to spend a lot of infrastructure money just for the Olympics.
That would be very short sided. If we're going to
invest money in infrastructure, it needs to be infrastructure we're
going to need in twenty forty so that the state's
(23:04):
a better place to live, our quality and life is better,
And those are the kinds of things that will we'll
be working on. Make no mistake though, and former Speaker
Hughes knows this. Any good government relations person around the
state's going to use the Olympics and that terminology to
try to get find project.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
Yeah, that is true.
Speaker 8 (23:26):
We've just got to be careful because, like I said,
we don't need those tax dollars to go to help
us support the Olympics. We will not use any tax
dollars to operate the Olympic Organizing Committee that I'm the
CEO of. That's all going to be done with private
dollars and with sponsorship dollars and ticket sales down the road.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
Brad, final question for you, you mentioned this at the beginning.
I know a big challenge facing you. Know, your task
right now is just to go out there and listen
to what people have to say and what they want.
Is there another challenge that you see the committee is
facing right now. I mean we're nine years out, but
still facing.
Speaker 8 (24:03):
You know, we're very fortunate our venues are not just ready,
but they're very proximate to each other and close to
each other. And I think that maybe not a challenge,
but an opportunity is what I would say we have.
Utah has become a global sports destination. I don't know
if you know this, but Salt Lake City now uses
(24:25):
more hotel rooms for sporting events than they do for conventions.
People from all over not just the country, but all
over the world are coming to Utah, Southern Utah, Northern
Utah for amateur sporting events. And so we've got and
you know, we've adding hockey, We're going to be at baseball,
most likely, we're hosting the Winter Olympics. We are becoming
(24:47):
a global sports destination and we've just got to accelerate
that and try to lean into it because sports and
I know you both love sports, but sports is one
of the last things we have that brings us all together.
And Utah has this just really fun chance to be
a big part of that in the future.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
Former Speaker the Utah House Brad Wilson, now CEO of
the Utah Olympics coming to this great state in twenty
thirty four. Big news coming out of Washington today, The
President is getting closer and closer Greg to the Kevint.
He wants Cash Betel approved today as the new director
of the FBI.
Speaker 3 (25:24):
You know, I was, you know, mich Lee obviously voted
for President Trump's nominees for all Is Cavitain nominees. But
you know, we've had there's been a continuing discussion about
our new newest Senator John Curtis. Hats off to Senator Curtis.
He voted for Cash Battel, and it was a squeaker folks.
Fifty one votes yes and forty nine no. So those
votes absolutely count, sure, and I you know, I'm not
(25:46):
sure that under our past senator we would have got
a yes on that.
Speaker 4 (25:50):
So that's true.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
Needed the Vice President Vans to break the tie.
Speaker 4 (25:55):
So it's good.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
President will be holding his first cabinet many me next week.
I'll be interesting to watch, all right. Coming up our
number two as we continue with our live broadcast from
Molders sports.
Speaker 9 (26:07):
Land, Karen Murray there a Mega ten events had some
advice for young men in America today? What is the
status of young men? We'll talk about that coming up.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
You know, I mentioned yesterday I feel sad for Kentucky
because Kentucky Fried Chicker is no longer in Kentucky.
Speaker 4 (26:26):
It's moved to Texas. And now you know what happened
to this news?
Speaker 1 (26:30):
Yeah, they're moving their corporate headquarters. Now you know what
happened today. What Mitch McConnell is not running for re election.
I can see the sadness in your eyes.
Speaker 3 (26:41):
He checked out a long time ago. His body might
be sitting in there that he doesn't know what's going on.
Speaker 4 (26:45):
That's true.
Speaker 3 (26:47):
He literally makes Biden look like he's a genius and
he's on his game. He's on point compared to Mitch
just zones out. He just stares. It's the craziest thing, like, oh,
he's not going to run for re election.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
You don't say. I mean, there is elderly abuse. You know,
it is a crime.
Speaker 4 (27:01):
He falls over sometimes, so he just falls.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
It's just unbelievable.
Speaker 3 (27:04):
It's a humiliation. It's ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
Yeah, Mitch McConnell, Well, he read the announce today he's
not seeking reelection.
Speaker 3 (27:10):
No pulse is a great thing to have when you're
in a Senate now, I gotta tell you, even our
state sense a little bit of the House of Lords,
the old and slow. So it's kind of a it's
kind of a senate thing generally. But I think Mitch
McConnell has jumped.
Speaker 4 (27:22):
The shark on this.
Speaker 2 (27:23):
I think he's gone down fun.
Speaker 4 (27:24):
He has he has all right.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
You know, over the last decade or so, how often
have men been put down toxic masculinity of what.
Speaker 4 (27:33):
They call it? Right?
Speaker 2 (27:34):
It has been a war on being a man.
Speaker 4 (27:37):
Yeah, it's been tough being a man in America today.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
It is where, you know, people very judgy. It's been
become a very judgeable.
Speaker 4 (27:45):
Women are always doudgy. Women judge us every time you
turn around.
Speaker 3 (27:49):
You know.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
I don't even think it's the women they're telling us
not to be men. I think it's I think.
Speaker 4 (27:53):
It's just would you like to define who others are?
Speaker 2 (28:00):
Do I say this politely?
Speaker 4 (28:01):
Don't?
Speaker 2 (28:02):
I think?
Speaker 3 (28:02):
I just say I think women understand the difference between
a man and a woman. I don't think women dislike men.
I think it's just there's a brand of other people
out there that just want they don't want men.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
They don't want they don't like the ulinity at all.
Speaker 4 (28:14):
If they don't like us, No, they don't.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
Okay, Well, remember what was it that let commercial a
few years ago where they just went after men and
said men, shame on you, you shouldn't be a man anymore.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
I don't remember that you marry that commercial? I think,
I think you're making that up.
Speaker 4 (28:29):
No, I am not making it up.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
But today at Seapack, Vice President jd Vance was there
and he talked about young men in America today. E Ray,
if you would play that sound bite that's jd Vance
on young men. List of what he had to say.
Speaker 10 (28:43):
My message to young men is, I think that our
culture sends a message to young men that you should
suppress every masculine urge. You should you should try to
cast aside your family, You should try to suppress what
makes you a young man in the first place. And
(29:04):
I think that my message to young men is, don't
allow this broken culture to send you a message that
you're a bad person because you're a man. Because the
cultural message, and I think the presidents and in mine.
Speaker 4 (29:17):
Is the exact opposite.
Speaker 10 (29:18):
But our cultural message is I think that it wants
to turn everybody into whether male or female, into androgynists,
idiots who think the same, talk the same, and act
the same. We actually think God made male and female
for a purpose, and we want you guys to thrive
as young men and as young women, and we're going
(29:40):
to help with our public policy to make it possible
to do that.
Speaker 4 (29:43):
I agree with everything. JD.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
Van Schiff said, androgynoist idiots.
Speaker 4 (29:48):
Idiot.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
Well, that's what women want from men. Women want men
to be a drogynist idiot?
Speaker 2 (29:54):
Why are you picking a woman. I don't think a
woman wants I don't think they want that.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
Somebody is out there wanting it, because that's what he
told every day.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
I think it's Tim Walls and the whimpy men.
Speaker 4 (30:03):
That's who it is.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
How can I put this? Have you seen Tim Walls?
Speaker 4 (30:06):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (30:06):
I have?
Speaker 3 (30:07):
Yeah, I waved and damp yeah, tamp on for guys
you want to yeah, yeah, that's.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
Brand has been after us.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
Well what would you how would you describe, mister Hughes?
The status of young men in America today confused?
Speaker 3 (30:23):
There as a lot of a lot of cultural messages
that make it hard for young men to understand what
their role or what their laying is. I think that's
changing though. I think we're in the middle not just
of a political but even a cultural shift and a
logical one and one that's more natural to.
Speaker 1 (30:39):
Yeah, I I I think I think Donald Trump has
kind of shifted that all and said, do not be
ashamed to be a young man in America today.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
So you ever see these nature shows you much like
gorillas with the little babies.
Speaker 4 (30:49):
You ever see what they do?
Speaker 3 (30:50):
The kids crawn all over the gorilla's head. You know,
the dad and he just takes kid, whips him. You
know he loves that kid, but he just whips him
because he's just on his head, just bugging him. You
see a lion, right, cubs are all over bam smacks
them with the big pause.
Speaker 4 (31:02):
So are you saying that father should spack their children?
Speaker 2 (31:06):
I am.
Speaker 3 (31:06):
I'm saying I'm saying aggression with love. Aggression with love
where there's no hate. There was no hate in that
gorilla's heart. There's no hate in the lion's heart. It's
how they just banter. It's how you can you can
rough house. Yeah, you learn that, you learn that as
a kid with a father, you learn that. You know,
that's how it works. Yeah, and there's this big societal thing.
(31:26):
You can't lay hands on it. You can't smack them around.
How could we even enjoy hockey without fights? That's true,
I mean take half the game away.
Speaker 4 (31:35):
You know.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
I I recall as growing up as a kid, and
I know to you that's ancient because I'm so much
older than you are.
Speaker 4 (31:41):
But my father never spanked me. So you know what
he did.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
What he gave me the spock pinch on the shoulder.
You know that the spock thing went like this man
that would.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
Hurt In colonial times, they didn't hear can they pinched
them on the.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
Show When we came to America. It was early on
were you're just learning? So yes, Rocks, he gave me
the spark pinch. He didn't have to hit me, but
I knew he won my attention.
Speaker 2 (32:05):
Yeah, I get a biff in the back of the head.
Speaker 4 (32:07):
Did you a little cuff? A little cuff in the
back of the head. Well, with what JD.
Speaker 1 (32:12):
Van said today, I think we should find out from
our fabulous listeners, the smartest in the audience and all
the land, the status of young men in America today,
what they're afraid of and is it changing? I mean
there are some young ho are afraid to open up
a front door, a door for a woman.
Speaker 3 (32:28):
Yes, I mean, okay, there's some liberal ladies out there.
And by the way, there are no feminists in a
house fire. I don't know if you know that that's true.
Speaker 4 (32:35):
That's true.
Speaker 3 (32:35):
If there's a house fire, it's it's women and children first,
and there's not a single lady that's going to argue
with that rule, okay, because they want to get out
of that far. So no feminist in a house fire.
But if it's not a house fire, if you open
a door for a woman, some women get offended by that.
They do the liberal ones one, don't, you know, shave
their arm pits and stuff.
Speaker 4 (32:56):
Can I tell you what bugs me?
Speaker 11 (32:58):
What?
Speaker 4 (32:58):
All?
Speaker 5 (32:59):
Right?
Speaker 4 (32:59):
You ready for this?
Speaker 1 (33:00):
Seeing a young couple drive down the road and the
woman is driving. Yeah, Oh that drives me nuts. Yeah,
emasculated for the guy, you know, Okay, I'll admitt it
in that regard. I my chauvin this pig, I don't know.
I just does it bother you? I I don't you
don't even think about it?
Speaker 3 (33:18):
I don't look inside the car. I'm not peering in
people's cars to know who's driving Rod.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
I just don't even know. I can't tell you the status.
Speaker 4 (33:24):
I'm just it just bugged me. It's the way I
was brought up.
Speaker 2 (33:28):
I've let yeah, I used to know.
Speaker 3 (33:30):
I used to always drive, But I've getten, I've gotten
kind of used to sometimes if my wife's picking me
up or somethody just jumping the other.
Speaker 4 (33:36):
Really you let her drive?
Speaker 11 (33:37):
Ye?
Speaker 4 (33:37):
Well?
Speaker 1 (33:38):
It was all right, all right? We want problem, yes
you do. Really, we want to find out from our listeners.
I want them to describe what they see is the
status of young men in the country today, all right?
Speaker 4 (33:53):
And do they see a changing? Is it going back
to a more traditional role for young men?
Speaker 2 (33:58):
Can we have little ruffians run around here?
Speaker 4 (34:00):
I don't care if they want to come in.
Speaker 3 (34:02):
I love peewee football all the all the mighty, my dad.
That's that's land of the Free, home of the brave stuff.
When the little monsters of the midway. It is a
beautiful thing, it is.
Speaker 7 (34:10):
It is.
Speaker 4 (34:11):
So.
Speaker 1 (34:11):
We want to get your phone calls on this eight
eight eight five seven eight zero one zero, or on
your cell phone dial pound two fifty and say, hey, Rod,
see if you agree with me. I'm the status of
young men in America today and is it changing?
Speaker 4 (34:23):
JD.
Speaker 1 (34:23):
Vans today said he wants young guys in America to thrive,
young American men to thrive, and he talked about what
they're trying to do and the challenges that young American
men have faced over the years. And we thought we'd
ask our great listeners, smartest in the world, to give
us their idea of the status of young men today
and what their future looks like because it's being challenged.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
Can a kid be tough? Can he be a ruffian?
Speaker 4 (34:47):
Can he be a guy?
Speaker 2 (34:48):
Can he be a guy?
Speaker 3 (34:49):
Can you be Can you drag your knuckles on the
ground like the Neanderthal?
Speaker 2 (34:53):
Like the good old days? And we still do this.
Speaker 1 (34:55):
I just want to know eight eight eight five seven
eight zero one zero eight eight eight five seven o
eight zero one zero on your cell phone, dial pound
two fifty and say, hey, Rod, let's go to the
phones and talk with Sean who's in Taylorsville tonight on.
Speaker 4 (35:08):
The Roden Greg Show. Sean, how are you? Thanks so
much for joining us?
Speaker 12 (35:12):
I am well, thank you? Uh yeah, so I want
to say I love what President and Vice President Vance
said today, and uh, I believe that this idea of
toxic masculinity has been a poisoned pill that's been fed
to our young for what a couple of decades?
Speaker 7 (35:27):
Now?
Speaker 4 (35:27):
Yeah, yeah, what what?
Speaker 9 (35:30):
What?
Speaker 11 (35:30):
Do?
Speaker 1 (35:31):
Let me ask you this, Sean, how would you describe
the status of young men in America today?
Speaker 7 (35:37):
Uh?
Speaker 12 (35:37):
Yeah, they're in danger, you know, because they are young
and impressionable, and uh there's a lot of forces just
trying to teach them to be whims.
Speaker 13 (35:46):
Well.
Speaker 3 (35:47):
Agree, I don't know if our audience will we'll know
what this web this, I only know what you call it.
It's an app, but it's a site of you know,
barstool Sports. Anyway, follow that, I'm telling you that's that's
at that site is for guys. It's by guys, for guys.
We're still sports and all the rage.
Speaker 12 (36:04):
And just one other thing. When you were talking about
the animals, uh uh swatting their young. So my mom
had a broken fly swatter, just the handle of it,
and she didn't have to use it half the time.
Speaker 13 (36:17):
She just had to reach for it.
Speaker 4 (36:18):
See it worked that.
Speaker 2 (36:21):
I love that, Sean.
Speaker 4 (36:22):
That works Sewan. It sure does.
Speaker 2 (36:24):
Spare the spoil the child.
Speaker 1 (36:27):
I always heard wait till your father gets home, spare
Rod child, and that scared me. All right, more of
your calls coming up Rod in Great show broadcasting live
today from the Motor Sportsland Mega Tent are the event.
They'll be here through Saturday, and we invite you to
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Speaker 4 (36:44):
They've got a number of things going on. A band.
They didn't bring a band today. It's just you and I.
Speaker 7 (36:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (36:49):
I thought they don't want us to say the hell.
Speaker 3 (36:50):
Of the Chief, like when the president's the room they
have the band go. I thought maybe there'd be a
band when.
Speaker 4 (36:54):
We walked in, but they don't want to.
Speaker 3 (36:56):
We're on a stage. The stage is actually stage is great.
Speaker 1 (36:58):
All right, come on by. We'll be here until seven
o'clock tonight. More coming up on the Roden Gregg Show.
Speaker 4 (37:03):
Right now.
Speaker 1 (37:03):
We're talking about mask a toxic masculinity in America today.
Jd Vance spoke about that today said, you know, young men,
be proud to be a man, don't be ashamed to
be a man.
Speaker 4 (37:15):
I think a lot of young men are out there,
so let me tell.
Speaker 3 (37:18):
You what I think is a dilemma in American American culture,
single motherhood is on the rise, and it's been for
a long long time. And when young men are grow
up without a father or father figure, they gravitate to
male role models. And then when you get into city,
urban environments, what do those male role models come from.
(37:38):
They usually come from gangs, they usually that's true. That's true,
the older guys that are not going to really bring
a lot of value add to these young men, but
they are in search of that male role model. And
so it's innate in young men to have a father figure.
And so it's it could be your church, but if
it's not your church, it could be maybe a source
that's not right or that that's positive. Of what jd
(38:02):
Vance is saying is he's saying we need to embrace
this and it really needs to be brought out and
brought to our attention because we've lived in a culture
right now that has failed to recognize that young men
will gravitate to male role models for what for that
affirmation on how to be a man. And if you're
just going to ignore it and you're going to do
what he what do you call it? Adrogynous idiots. Yes, okay,
(38:23):
if you're going to be an arogynous idiot, you've completely
left the demographic of young young men in search of
those male role models behind. And I'm going to tell
you left on their own, to their own device, it
won't be a value add to society.
Speaker 2 (38:36):
It's just it's a nightmare.
Speaker 1 (38:37):
Well, and I think that's what he's concerned about. You know,
I remember years ago it was Barack Obama who held
this big event talking about fatherhood and you know, young men,
and we're going to encourage more of this.
Speaker 4 (38:51):
It went nowhere. I mean, he held this event and
it didn't go anywhere. Why he didn't push it.
Speaker 1 (38:55):
You rarely hear politicians greg in America today talk about
the importance of that nuclear family.
Speaker 4 (39:02):
And I don't know why they're so afraid.
Speaker 3 (39:04):
It's even worse than that. I've heard people say it's
racist or it's wrong to bring it up, to bring
up a mom and a dad in the family, that
that having both as you know, raising you is it's
somehow wrong to bring up and insensitive to to emphasize.
And I'm telling you, my mother is a single mother.
My grandmother raised my mom and my uncle and my
(39:25):
aunts and my uncle as a single mom.
Speaker 2 (39:28):
Uh and.
Speaker 3 (39:30):
No rip, certainly no rip on my grandmother or my mother.
I will tell you having a mom and a dad
in a home is giving a kid his best shot.
Speaker 4 (39:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (39:37):
Well, without apology, I'll say it, and I'm not and
I'm not disparaging my family when I.
Speaker 1 (39:41):
Say it, Well, I congratulate, Uh, your mom and your
grandmother who raised you.
Speaker 4 (39:46):
Yeah, they did a pretty good job. Not great against them.
Speaker 1 (39:49):
I hold it against they raised you, which was a
challenge I have because I've heard many of your stories.
Speaker 2 (39:56):
Feral child, I just kind of went on a wild
you know. I just it's hard to raise me.
Speaker 4 (40:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (40:01):
Yeah, well I can understand that. But on my side,
mom and dad. But my dad left us early. I
mean he passed away at a very young age of
forty eight years old. You know, two of us, my
older brother and I were kind of off on our own.
But the rest, you know, and it was a challenging gap.
It is, there is a gap there, yep. And it
starts to have dad around to kick your butt. Yeah,
and to remind you don't be an idiot.
Speaker 3 (40:22):
And if you understand Jade Vance's history and story himself.
He grows up in a single momb right, yeah, single
moment has bought as poor and as a rough upbringing
as you can get, and a country where self determination
and you can become vice president of the United States.
But he's talking about the emphasizing that young men need
to be men and we're not all the same, and
(40:44):
it comes with experience. When he says it, he's not
reading that out of a book.
Speaker 2 (40:47):
No, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (40:48):
No, And I think him and his wife are a
great example of a great young American family.
Speaker 2 (40:53):
How great are those young kids of his?
Speaker 4 (40:54):
Oh, they're super, They're super.
Speaker 2 (40:56):
He's got them on you know, he takes them on
those trips with them.
Speaker 1 (40:58):
And it's a horrible story. But I saw this today,
I guess, and I got a share it. It never
goes well after we preface it with this is a
horrible JD. Van JD Van's and his little boy. Yes,
we're in the white in the Oval office the other day.
We saw those pictures. Right, well, apparently his little boy,
I think does he call him X No, you're talking
(41:19):
not no? I mean, yeah, okay, and his little boy right, well,
apparently the little guy decided to pick his nose, get out.
Speaker 4 (41:28):
No hot that missed the and he wiped it on
the resolute desk.
Speaker 2 (41:34):
Oh that's not.
Speaker 4 (41:35):
Now the story is that Trump is ordered.
Speaker 1 (41:38):
He wants a different desk, and now Trump is a
bit of a germ of ful I don't know if
that story true, but I saw it out there.
Speaker 4 (41:45):
I read that story.
Speaker 1 (41:46):
So this little, this little three year old kid wipes
it on the resolute desk, and now the president.
Speaker 4 (41:53):
This historic tesk is not going to work for me.
Speaker 2 (41:55):
I can't not anymore.
Speaker 1 (41:56):
Man.
Speaker 2 (41:57):
He didn't raise him very well. He's just putting that
right on my desk.
Speaker 4 (42:00):
That's not gonna work. But that's what little boys do.
Speaker 2 (42:03):
Actually not.
Speaker 3 (42:05):
You never picked your nose and put on the resolute desk.
Speaker 2 (42:08):
No, I didn't know.
Speaker 3 (42:09):
Well, yeah, it's a bit of an important place. You
got to you know, read the room, kid, But he
play for you that there's like eight hundred cameras in there.
Speaker 2 (42:18):
Do you want to be known for picking your nose?
Rest of your.
Speaker 1 (42:21):
Godaw, I'm just saying that's the story of this out
there today. I find these unusual stories, all right, your
calls eight eight eight five seven o eight zero one
zero eight eight eight five seven o eight zero one zero,
the nuttiest things, the nuttiest things that you did as
a young man, because we've all done them.
Speaker 4 (42:37):
I guarantee you that. You know, we were playing the
other day.
Speaker 1 (42:40):
There's a debate between democracy and bureaucracy in this country today.
You know, we we got faked out on a little
bit of this montage we ran yesterday. But Jim Jordan,
I really like Jim Jordan from Ohio, our congressman from Ohio,
took to the Senate floor yesterday and talked about this.
He gave a master class to the Democrats when it
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comes to democracy.
Speaker 4 (43:04):
That's what he had to say.
Speaker 14 (43:05):
And I think this just underscores the fundamental difference between
the left and those of us in the Republican Party,
those of us conservatives. They the left thinks the bureaucrats
are smarter than we. The people gotta trust the bureaucracy,
gotta trust it.
Speaker 4 (43:20):
You gotta trust the experts in the government.
Speaker 14 (43:24):
I'd rather trust the people, the seventy seven million people
who elected President Trump, who told us he was systematically
going to go through these agencies and identify dumb things,
that dumb things where taxpayer money is going to He
told us he was going to do it. The American
people understood it, he got elected. Now he's carrying out
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that mission, and they're attacking the guy who's president.
Speaker 4 (43:47):
Trump is put in charge of this effort. See, they're
attacking him. They don't get it.
Speaker 3 (43:55):
They don't And there's nothing about what's happening right now
that anyone will argue isn't a campaign promise being delivered upon?
And so when they complain about it, they really are
picking the wrong side of history, wrong side of the election.
And they don't know how to course correct.
Speaker 2 (44:12):
They just don't. They don't know how to do it.
Speaker 3 (44:14):
All they've done for how long ten years is say
that everything that if Trump walked on water, they tell
you he doesn't know how to swim.
Speaker 2 (44:21):
Look how bad he is.
Speaker 3 (44:22):
Yeah, okay, So they just don't know any other reaction
to anything he does but to scream tyranny and everything else.
Speaker 4 (44:29):
The reaction they're all now working into.
Speaker 1 (44:32):
First of all, we mentioned this, of course, that he's
not paying enough attention to the economy. He's thinking too
much about pairing down.
Speaker 4 (44:39):
You know, give the guy. He's been in office as
a month as of today.
Speaker 2 (44:42):
It's amazing how everything now is, like, why has it
changed yet?
Speaker 4 (44:45):
Yeah? Yeah.
Speaker 1 (44:46):
And then the other argument you hear out there, well,
why doesn't he go through the channels, go through Congress
and make all these cuts.
Speaker 4 (44:52):
Yeah, been tried before and it's gotten nowhere.
Speaker 3 (44:55):
So what they're arguing is he doesn't move fast enough,
and he's moving too fast.
Speaker 4 (45:00):
That's true, is what they're saying.
Speaker 2 (45:02):
He is just moving too fast.
Speaker 3 (45:04):
He is not moving fast enough and changing everything, and
they just again, they just I hope that when the
American people see or listen to some of this commentary
from the left, it just reminds them that they these
aren't They don't represent you, they don't even care about you.
It's it's that's the bureaucracy that they care about. It's
the one that's all that money we see that's been
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funneling around everybody. And I still can't believe that that's
Stacy Abrams, that she.
Speaker 4 (45:31):
Got money yesterday, didn't know it was uncovered yesterday.
Speaker 3 (45:33):
She got money two billion dollars in an account that
had one hundred dollars in it, opened four months ago,
and Biden administration put two billion dollars into that account
as a nonprofit.
Speaker 4 (45:45):
Yeah, what in the world.
Speaker 1 (45:47):
It's nobody challenged him, Greg, Nobody had the guts to
say that's not going.
Speaker 4 (45:52):
To do it's not going to work. Amazing, And you've
expressed this concern.
Speaker 1 (45:56):
What the you know, how much of that money lined
the post gets some people who are running these organizations,
and how much of it actually went to help people.
Speaker 3 (46:04):
So we talk a lot about how it goes to
some leftist uh you know endeavors. I think they're pocketing
and profiting. Yeah, more of it than that, they're than
they're wasting on some of these projects.
Speaker 1 (46:15):
Well, we're going to change gears a little bit when
we come back for and talk about immigration in America.
Speaker 2 (46:20):
You know they're going to drop that puck here soon.
Speaker 3 (46:22):
Six US Team USA VERSUS Canada, Big Final, Big Now
my question match.
Speaker 4 (46:28):
Will they boo? Game? Will they boo? Of course the
Boston We've got a Bruins fan in front of it.
Would they boo? Brandon?
Speaker 2 (46:37):
Yeah, Brandon, Yeah, yeah, guarantee, per guarantee.
Speaker 1 (46:40):
One hundred percent guarantee. Well, we'll keep our eye on
that game, but we want to talk to you about
a lot of things. In the final hour of the
show tonight, it has been a bad week for CBS.
Speaker 2 (46:50):
It's like a batting.
Speaker 4 (46:52):
I mean, if you think about it. Margaret Brennan, Margaret Brannan.
Speaker 1 (46:55):
Show on the Fates the Nation just made a fool
of herself on Sunday and then the sixty minute show
was ridiculous. Well, Gail King on CBS This Morning, right,
wanted to blame the accident, the airplane crash up there
in Canada on who else but Donald Trump?
Speaker 2 (47:13):
Trump? Right, So, yeah, he's a president, surely.
Speaker 1 (47:17):
So she had the CEO Ed Bastion of Delta Airlines,
who's been here. We're a big hub for Delta air Lines.
It's important, right, She had him on the show yesterday
morning and tried to see if he would admit that
it was Donald Trump's fault for that crash in Toronto.
Speaker 4 (47:34):
Here's how the exchange went. Play that if you would rate.
Speaker 15 (47:40):
You know, the Trump administration recently fired many employees of
the FAA administration. Those cuts do those cuts? Were you
and do you think that impacts the safety? I know
you just said it's the safest way to travel, but
after looking at all these mishaps, a lot of people
are very nervous. Do these cuts affect you.
Speaker 4 (47:57):
The cuts do not affect us.
Speaker 11 (47:58):
Scale been in close communication with the Secretary of Transportation.
I understand that the cuts at this time are something
that are raising questions. But the reality is there's over
fifty thousand people that work at the FAA, and the cuts,
I understand were three hundred people and they were in
non critical safety functions. The Trump administration has committed to
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investing deeply in terms of improving the overall technologies that
are used in the air traffic control systems and modernizing
the guys. They've committed to hiring additional controllers and investigators
and safety investigators. So no, I'm not concerned with that
at all.
Speaker 4 (48:37):
That's amazing.
Speaker 1 (48:38):
I mean, she tried to nail them and get the
CEO of Delta to basically tell America, yeah, it's all
Trump's fault on these airline crashes, and he said, no,
that's not a problem. There are fifty thousand employees that
the FAA and Donald Trump has laid off three.
Speaker 4 (48:52):
Hundred and fifty.
Speaker 3 (48:53):
Yeah, it's not just that, he said. It could have
been a simple yes or no, but he didn't. Decided
not to make it a yes or no, decided to
tell her. Do you know how many employees there are?
And I know you want to make this the biggest
deal in the world. It's just not sorry, Yeah, you know,
go fish.
Speaker 4 (49:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (49:09):
A story out today, Greg, let's talk about immigration here
for a few minutes. There was some story out today
that said there are now more border patrol agents on
the border than there are people who trying to cross
it illegally, which I think you.
Speaker 4 (49:25):
Well, there's a new study out.
Speaker 1 (49:27):
This is done by our next guest and his organization,
the Center for Immigration Studies. His name is Steve Camarata. Steve,
thanks for joining us tonight. Steve, You've got a new
study out join that immigrants arriving in the US are
significantly less educated than people have come in before.
Speaker 4 (49:43):
What does that mean and how's that impacting the US?
Speaker 16 (49:45):
Steve, Yes, So we look at a lot of different ways,
but maybe this summarizes it. It was the case that
only thirty six percent of immigrants before COVID, the newcomers
had no low education beyond high school. That has either
they either dropped out of high school or had only
a high school education. Now we're seeing it's closer to half.
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So a big change there, and the percentage who actually
have more education, like a college degree, has also gone
down quite a bit. At the same time, natives have
become somewhat more educated, so the gap between the two
groups has widened in terms of what are some of
the practical implications. Well, if we look at the fraction
of newcomers who who say have low income, again, the
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gap with the native born got bigger, and so as
a consequence because many more of the new arrivals have
low income. And just in the last three years we've
added three point five million low income immigrants to the country.
Now that's way more than in previous years if you
look at you know, like three year arriving groups, So
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that's a big effect. Or maybe look at it this way.
Here's another consequence. If we look at immigrant men, they
actually earned about eighty percent as much as US born men.
And this is the new arrivals, so that's not a
huge gap. But now in twenty twenty four when we
look at it, it was fifty two percent. So relative
to the native born, and in absolute terms, the income
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of these newly arrived men is a lot less and
many more new immigrants live in or near poverty.
Speaker 3 (51:20):
So is there a reset that's even possible. And by that,
I mean, so we have a secure border now, so
we're not seeing those numbers arrive. In the Great Recession,
we saw I'm told that we saw people that were
leaving the United States because there was a lack of opportunity,
maybe going back to homes, nations of origin. Will any
of that?
Speaker 2 (51:39):
Do you see any of that happening?
Speaker 3 (51:41):
Because I got to imagine that what you're describing here
and what your poll shows is that tough economic times
are in front of all of us with this kind
of surge of low income immigrants that are here and
looking for jobs and competing with you know, with Americans.
How do we reset this or can.
Speaker 16 (51:59):
We Well, I mean if the economy were to tank,
then yeah, you would expect fewer people to come just
as a natural situation, and more to go home. But
since the big impact does seem to be in these numbers,
the huge increase that illegal immigrants, who tend to be
the less educated, are in the data, that's what's driving
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the results. So, as you point out, we're going to
get a lot less of the illegal immigrants, almost certainly
under President Trump, but also we might get more out
migration if enforcement is real, if they really go after
people and try to encourage them to move back to
their home countries, which is one of the big things
they can do, but also just remove more people, that's
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likely to happen, and that could have a big effect.
It could alleviate some of the pressures on the labor market,
especially the bottom end, which tends to be poor and
where Americans really struggle. And at the same time it
might relieve some pressure on publics and tax players if
a significant fraction returned to their home countries.
Speaker 4 (53:05):
Steve, do we know the reason behind the decline in
the education of the newcomers? Do we know why? Yeah?
Speaker 16 (53:11):
I mean very simple. It's not that fewer educated immigrants came.
It's just that a whole lot more uneducated or less
educated immigrant claims.
Speaker 12 (53:22):
So put it this way.
Speaker 16 (53:23):
The number of newcomers was huge, of course in recent years,
and the number with only a high school degree or
less was up one hundred and three percent relative to say,
twenty eighteen before COVID, But the number with a college
degree was only up forty four percent. So both went up.
It's just that the less educated went up way more.
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And the less educated are disproportionately the illegal immigrants. We
do get well educated illegal immigrants, but as far as
we can tell, three fours or something like that of
illegal immigrants have no education beyond high school. So their
surge pulled the overall averages down quite a bit.
Speaker 3 (54:06):
So in Utah, we have felt there was a point
during the Obama administration where every state felt like a
border state, and we certainly felt that here in Utah,
and there was a lag between the open borders and
what we started feeling here in our state. And what
we started feeling was the increase in crime, lawlessness, and
even the presence of this Nicaraguan gang has a presence
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in our state. We saw housing available, housing get more scarce.
We saw jobs or side hustle jobs when people were
pursuing a second job. Those opportunities were disappearing. Our education
system was being really hit hard, and we're not seeing
that go away right away. It seems to be we're
on a lag. So we're seeing that grow and we're
still combating that, and we see that in front of us.
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What for our listeners, what do we see from what
you're reporting, What does that look like is because that's
not going to go away tomorrow. What does it look
like when this number of low income immigrants and those
that health assistance or are poorer than what we've seen
in the past. Well, how does that impact our communities?
Speaker 16 (55:06):
Well, across a broad range of issues where they're interested
in the social mobility of immigrants.
Speaker 12 (55:11):
The impact on schools, hospitals, and healthcare, the labor market,
there's a lot.
Speaker 16 (55:17):
I mean, it depends on how you look at it,
but most people think bringing in less skilled immigrants into
the modern American economy, even though it certainly pleases employers
in low wage jobs, is not a good deal for
the country. It tends to create a lot of fiscal costs.
Not because the immigrants are lazy, not because they all
came to get welfare. It's just that in modern America,
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people with very modest levels of education don't earn very much,
they don't pay much in taxes, and their low income
means that they or very often their US born children,
can qualify for a lot of programs. It's not a
good deal for taxpayers. And you're adding low wage workers
to compete with lowage American workers. And there's other things
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going on in the US labor market. But the bottom
line is that's why it's so problematic, and that's why
most people think you should have a selection criteria that
doesn't admit so many people and enforce your law so
you can avoid this problem with illegal immigrants. But during
Biden's four years, all of that kind of went out
the window.
Speaker 4 (56:21):
Steve, thank you very much for joining us tonight.
Speaker 1 (56:23):
That's Steve Camarato, director of research at the Center for
Immigration Studies, talking about the education level of illegal immigrants
who are making their way into this country. The numbers
have dropped significantly, I heard today, down ninety five percent
on the board of this pretty amazing thanks to Donald
Trump and his new border security team. It'll be interesting
to see the number of people who watch this game.
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I mean, they had what five point four million last
Saturday night. I bet the number is hired today.
Speaker 2 (56:50):
Greg, I do too.
Speaker 3 (56:52):
In the pregame, I've seen some of the social media.
These players from Canada in the USA, they say it
has a Stanley Cup feel to it. I mean, that's
how serious are taking this game today.
Speaker 2 (57:03):
Game seven Stanley Cup. It's a big deal, you know.
Speaker 1 (57:07):
I think the NHL really hit on something with this.
They this replaced the all Star Game. I hate All
Star games NBA. I don't mind Major League Baseball's All
Star Game. Yeah, I'm kind of okay with that. But
the NHL and the NBA, it's just all pro for
NFL the NFL. Yeah, that's kind of stupid. Hey, before
(57:27):
we break, how would you like this title? You remember
who George Santos is. He's the New York congressman, former Republican. Yeah,
kind of a whack job of a guy. Well, he
did an interview, a podcast interview with the comedian by
the name of Jim Norton. He's got a friend, do
you Yeah, okay, he's got a new podcast out there.
(57:47):
But Santo was asked about members of Congress, yes, the
and he identified what he called the smelliest member of Congress.
Speaker 2 (57:57):
Who would that be? Dying?
Speaker 1 (57:59):
Take as who would be of all the members of
the House, who do you think would be the stinkiest
lawmaker in Washington?
Speaker 3 (58:05):
If you have said Senate, I'd say Bernie Sanders.
Speaker 4 (58:08):
It's not the Senate, it's the House.
Speaker 2 (58:09):
The House, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (58:11):
Take a wild guess.
Speaker 3 (58:13):
Oh, Nancy Pelosi because she's half dead.
Speaker 1 (58:19):
Well, that could be true. Jerry Nadler, Oh, yeah, but
he's lost so much weight.
Speaker 4 (58:24):
I would, but he says he has the smelliest breath
in Congress.
Speaker 3 (58:28):
Jerry Nadler is so big he could he could hide
his lunch inside of his body like outside was by
the rolls of that.
Speaker 2 (58:34):
He could have just hit everything. You would never even know.
Speaker 3 (58:36):
Is that he probably forget it's there.
Speaker 1 (58:38):
Yeah, Santos told. Santos told Norton, h the dude just stinks.
Speaker 2 (58:42):
Wow, that's funny.
Speaker 4 (58:45):
I love him, don't ja.
Speaker 1 (58:46):
All right, we got more to come broadcasting live today
from the Motor Sportsland Mega Tent are the event. We're
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and we'll be here until seven o'clock. This event goes
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coming up on The Roden Gregg Show. All right, let's
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go to our next guest. You know, talking about whining,
which you do quite often and rant. You know, we
have all these federal employees and we don't want anyone
to lose their job, right, but they're all whining that
they're they're losing their jobs at the federal level. You know,
live in the real world because you and I we
could be fired in the next five minutes.
Speaker 2 (59:26):
Well, don't say that, Well we could be I mean.
Speaker 4 (59:29):
That's life in the real world.
Speaker 1 (59:30):
Right. Well, come to find out a lot of the
people who work for agencies, which party do.
Speaker 4 (59:36):
You think they belong to?
Speaker 2 (59:38):
That's in government?
Speaker 4 (59:39):
Yeah, in government government Democrats, that's true.
Speaker 1 (59:42):
Joining us work, joining us on our newsmaker line to
talk about that.
Speaker 4 (59:47):
He's done some digging into this story. Is Hayden du Bloise.
Speaker 1 (59:50):
He is a data and analytics director at the Foundation
for Government Accountability. Hayden, Welcome to the Rod and Greg Show.
Is Greg right, Hayden? Are most of them Democrats?
Speaker 12 (01:00:01):
Greg?
Speaker 11 (01:00:01):
Is right?
Speaker 13 (01:00:02):
So what we did was we dive into We first
looked at as you know, the president gets to a
point about three thousand people to the federal bureaucracy when
they come in office, but that makes up only about
one quarter of one percent of the entire federal workforce.
So there's this huge, massive bureaucracy that's not directly accountable
(01:00:25):
to the president, and we really wanted to dive into
those individuals who are in senior policy making and policy
implementing positions in the government. And we took data from
the Office of Personnel Management that was matched with voter records,
and we said, where do these folks tend to fall
on the political spectrum? And they tend to have about
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a thirty percentage point advantage to the Democrat side of
the aisle over the Republican side of the aisle on average,
and in many agencies it's much much worse. And so
that's sort of the key takeaway, key finding, which I
think should worry a lot of Americans who hope that
the bureaucracy is more well balanced, but unfortunately the data
(01:01:06):
suggests otherwise.
Speaker 3 (01:01:08):
So there was talk in the last and the waning
days of the Biden administration that they were trump proofing
the executive branch. They were working very hard and even
admitting it that they were trying they were going to
try and thwart the incoming president's agenda. It seems like
with the data you're sharing that if they subscribe to
the same politics as President Biden, that they could trump
(01:01:30):
proof the executive branch.
Speaker 2 (01:01:34):
Should we be worried about that? Do you think the.
Speaker 3 (01:01:36):
Political leanings of the federal government employees being as strong
as it is to the left, should we be worried
that it will make President Trump's job a lot harder?
Speaker 13 (01:01:45):
Well, you know, they've already started doing that. We saw
this during the first Trump administration, when you had senior
attorneys intentionally making mistakes on federal lawsuits. We saw staff
at the Department of Health and Human Services crossing out
the day on hiring to make sure they preempted the
President Trump's first hiring freeze. And even before President Trump
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took office for a second time, polling from Scott Rossumussen
found that close to half the federal workers signaled their
intention to resist the incoming administration. So they've already started
to do that, and it should be a cause for concern.
One of the more notable examples was after President Trump
issued in executive order to sort of go after DEI
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and the federal government. You saw individuals who may have
had Chief Diversity Officer in their title quickly changed their
role title to something like senior executive overnight. So they
were trying to avoid the scrutiny of the new White House.
So they're already taking those steps to try to guard
themselves from the efforts of the Trump administration to root
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out this you know, imbalance in the federal bureaucracy, and
at the same time, they're gearing up to sabotaze the
administration by continuing to impose their views in these policy
making positions that are directly counter to President Trump's agenda.
Speaker 1 (01:03:09):
Hayden, could you identify a couple of the departments that
had the greatest difference between Democrats and Republicans? Which were
some of the departments which really you could see the
split and it wasn't a split, I mean it was
a very large majority of Democrat versus Republican.
Speaker 13 (01:03:25):
Yes, So one of the most interesting trends we found.
We found two interesting trends. The first was the departments
that tend to be the most politically imbalanced are those
that are associated with major federal welfare agencies. So, for example,
Housing in Urban Development, which administers of course Section eight
housing in our nation's public housing programs, is the most imbalanced.
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Seventy two percent of the senior policy making staff are Democrats,
only fifteen percent Republicans. Then you got Health in Human Services,
which of course Medicaid falls under sixty three percent Democrat
nineteen percent Republican and then even sub agencies, so departments
within agencies. Looking at the Food and Nutrition Services which
administers food stamps under the Department of Agriculture, that had
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a net Democrat advantage of about fifty seven percentage points.
So those were the most imbalanced agencies with their policymaking staff.
The other trend we found, which was equally interesting and
I think explains the root cause of a lot of this,
is when you look at what's the political makeup of
these staff in the DC metro area versus outside of
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the DC metro area. So within the DC metro area,
the Democrats have an advantage of about thirty nine percentage points.
But when you look at these tenor if you can
believe that across all agencies, So if you break it
down and look at what about folks who are outside
the DC metro area, it's only about a two percentage
point advantage. So there's this huge divide that is created
(01:04:56):
quite literally by the swamp. It's the political class of
one of the most liberal areas of the country that
is sort of feeding this imbalance in almost every department
in the entire country. And when you separate from that
swamp and look at those workers who are outside of
the DC metro area. It suddenly becomes much more balanced.
Speaker 4 (01:05:17):
Wow, that's amazing.
Speaker 3 (01:05:19):
I don't know if you have all the departments in
front of you in terms of percentages there, but the
Bureau of Land Management. Here in state of Utah, where
sixty six percent of our land is federal land, we
get run around pretty hard by the Bureau of Land Management.
Do you have a percentage for BLM in terms of
Republicans and Democrats?
Speaker 13 (01:05:35):
By a chance, you know, I don't have BLM in
front of me because BLM is actually one of those
sub agencies underneath the I think the Department of Interior.
Now that the Interior Department overall is about fifty three
percent Democrat twenty three percent Republicans, so that's still a
net advantage of about thirty percentage points. But I'm actually
(01:05:56):
glad you brought up Yeah, I'm glad you brought up
Euro of Land Management because one of the things President
Trump did in his first term was he relocated the
headquarters of Bureau of Land Management from d C to Colorado.
And the idea being, yeah, the idea being, maybe the
people overseeing federal lands actually ought to be in close
proximity to those federal lands that's not stuck in the DC. Yeah,
(01:06:21):
and actually was successful. A lot of those bureaucrats quit
rather than relocate, and unfortunately President Biden reversed that move
brought them back to d C. But I think that's
where the solution to a lot of this lies. Right,
Let's get those policymaking bureaucrats out in real America, outside
of the protected political zone of DC and have him
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live where the rest of us live. You know, we're
talking to moving these agency headquarters to maybe places that
are more politically in line with you and me and
ordinary Americans and less in the hyperpartisan nation capital.
Speaker 4 (01:06:59):
Hayden. That is that That is some amazing work that
you've done.
Speaker 1 (01:07:01):
It really kind of gives the American people an idea
as to what this is all about. Where should they
go if they want more information? Can they go to
your foundation's website? Do they Does it have one in Hayden?
Speaker 13 (01:07:13):
They sure can.
Speaker 5 (01:07:14):
So.
Speaker 13 (01:07:14):
We're the Foundation for Government Accountability. We're a nonprofit organization
that does research like this, and our website is www
dot v FGA dot org and our research papers up
there and We've got a whole lot more research coming
on this and other issues that we're going to be
releasing soon, So go there check it out.
Speaker 1 (01:07:34):
All right, Hayden, thanks for joining us and enjoy the
rest of the evening. Thank you very much on our
news than thank you so much, Hayden du Bloise. He
is the Data and Analytics director for the Foundation for
Government Accountability.
Coming up, Steve Moore will join us, the former Speaker
of the House, not you, but Brad Wilson. Brad Wilson
will be joining us. He has a new job. Now, yeah,
he found work. I was worried about him.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
I wasn't.
Speaker 3 (00:12):
But yeah, he's keeping himself busy now.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
Yes, yeah, he's like getting the Olympics together in nine
years from now, we'll talk about that, we'll talk about immigration,
and we'll talk about the foundation for government accountability. The
number of Democrats who outnumber Republicans when it comes to
working for federal agencies.
Speaker 4 (00:31):
That was surprise you.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
I'm not I can I can already guess that one.
Speaker 4 (00:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
I don't even need a I don't even need a
poll to to movie.
Speaker 4 (00:37):
It's all of them, that is. It's a pretty close,
pretty close all right.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
Well, the big story of the day, there's a little
hockey game coming up tonight in Boston. Yes, I can't wait,
between Canada and the US Team USA.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
Now, look, we haven't beat Canada. We beat him on
Saturday night, hadn't been. It's the first time like in
what sixteen years, I think, So, yeah, it's all a
waste if we don't win tonight. You gotta win the
whole thing. Yeah, you gotta win the whole You gotta
win the whole thing. So the only way to make
Saturday Night with three fights in the first nine seconds
as epic as it was, is to finish off Canada
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the Canucks the night in Boston.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
Well, they wanted the president to come. Apparently he is
too busy. I understand that the guys running the government,
you know, he.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
Would have loved to do.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
Yeah, he was got a previous commitment. I think this
was some governors, some kind of event. So, yes, he
can't make it, but I think he called in.
Speaker 4 (01:30):
Yeah, yeah, Well he's scheduled to call in.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
I don't know if that has happened as of yet,
but he's scheduled to call into the team locker room
for the USA and give him a little bit of
a pet talk.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
I know he's going to say, what beat him?
Speaker 3 (01:42):
We win so much, we get tired of winning. Don't
be too tired of winning. Just for one more time.
Speaker 4 (01:46):
We'll get him.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
Well, if you want to get just a flavor of it,
this is a Canadian minister.
Speaker 4 (01:52):
He's a public official with the Canadian legislature.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
Right, a very low bar and he was talking handball
off the curb. He was talking about Donald Trump at
an event celebrating the sixtieth anniversary of the Canadian flag.
This is what he said about our president, play that
if you will to he rate.
Speaker 5 (02:11):
So on this festival where we celebrate Canada as a
nation and our flag. I am encouraged. I want to
thank Canadians. I want to say we are strong, we
do not bend, and we will never ever ever kiss
the ring of that gangster from mar Lago.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
Did he just call our president a gangster from mar
a Lago? I think he just did.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
If he day is gonna be swimming with the fishes.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
I'm gonna tell you right now, you don't be calling
our president a gangster. You doesn't even know that's a compliment. Okay,
I heard you say it. Now we'll see, well, we'll
see TSA. They're going to extract a little come uppance
for that.
Speaker 4 (02:51):
Do you think so? Yeah, you think so?
Speaker 2 (02:52):
We're strong, we don't bend. Uh, You're not strong and
all you do is bend. It's my opinion.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
Okay, Well we sure we have a hockey expert on
the show right now, is yeah, he's on Cole Bagley.
He is with the Professional Hockey Writers Association, also a
beat reporter for the Utah Hockey Club. Cole, Welcome to
the Roden Greg Show. Thanks for being with us tonight. Cole,
Welcome to the show.
Speaker 4 (03:17):
Thanks.
Speaker 6 (03:17):
It's an honor to be on. I think I'm the
second most famous Bagley that's ever been on the show.
My mom has been on many times, so following.
Speaker 4 (03:27):
Yes she has now Cole. Welcome to the business. Welcome
to the show. Welcome to the show. Cole.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
Now, my guess is you probably weren't around in nineteen
eighty when the US beat Russell.
Speaker 4 (03:38):
That's just my guy.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
That wasn't even that would have been fine.
Speaker 4 (03:43):
Yeah, my guy.
Speaker 6 (03:44):
Laugh is just for you, Greg.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
Thank you.
Speaker 7 (03:47):
Thanks.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
Cole.
Speaker 4 (03:48):
Talk about the build up to this game tonight? Is it?
Speaker 1 (03:51):
What's your sense about the build up to this game tonight?
Speaker 6 (03:55):
I mean, this is huge, This is Goliath against Goliath.
This is too heavyweights, and there's so much anticipation for
this game. I mean, I don't know if you guys
were able to watch these two go out of the
other night, but it's just been you know that that
was just the result of so much build up, you know,
NHL players have not been able to represent their countries
for quite a while, you know, more than a decade.
(04:17):
They've been left out of the Olympics, and so this
is the first time we've had best on best for.
Speaker 4 (04:22):
A long time.
Speaker 6 (04:23):
And it did not disappoint.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
You know.
Speaker 6 (04:25):
It was the it was the top talents in the world.
It was the the two best countries going at it.
And it was an unforgettable evening of of hockey in
Canada where where the US came out on top and
and showed those Canucks, you know, how to play the
game that that they they introduced to the world, and
it was it was something special. And now we're we're
getting the second edition to that. But there's hardware on
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the line this time, and and it's in Boston, so
you couldn't have you couldn't ask for a better setting
and a better game to to tune into tonight, regardless
if you're a hockey fan or not.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
So it is all the talk, it's it's actually u
it's all over it doesn't You don't have to go
to an ESPN or a sports channel to watch it.
Everybody's talking about this game tonight. UH Saturday Night, Three
Fights in the first nine seconds. Bash Brothers, what's their
name there? What's the name of the two to Chuck brothers?
The dad that we have, the father you see him
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throwing in his day, you know, in the same game,
you know, in an international game against Canada. So here's
my question. A lot of pent up aggression. I think
they didn't like how loudly they were booed when they
were even playing Finland by the Canadian crowd.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
But do you see a repeat of that?
Speaker 3 (05:33):
Who's gonna I think they really established themselves as the
dominant team when they just started brawling it before a
hockey game could break out. Cole, what happens in the
game tonight when Boston? Are they going to get fights
at the beginning? What's going to look like?
Speaker 6 (05:47):
I mean, I certainly hope so I think the appeal right, I.
Speaker 4 (05:51):
Mean, yes, absolutely, people.
Speaker 6 (05:52):
Are There's a lot of non hockey people that are
tuning in and they're expecting, you know, some punches to
be thrown. And so I hope that the uh, the
lunatics as Father Keith called his sons Brady and Matthew
the other day, I hope that they're ready to go again.
And that's just the brand of USA hockey. You know,
it's it's smash smash, mouth in your face. Uh, you know,
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super physical. You know, they were able to lay some
incredible hits on you know, a guy like Connor McDavid
and Drew Dowdy. You know, if if they can do
that again tonight, perfect, you know, come out, drop the gloves,
throw some hits, you know. And I said this, I
said this earlier today. You know, this is the only
time I'm giving somebody permission to actually hit Sidney Crosby. Now,
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don't hit him too hard if they if they want
to hit him, they want to hit him, that's okay
with me, just for.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
To night, just justin.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
I am so with you.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
That is our Sidney kid. I love someding, you know,
we both do. And I I never want to see
it after tonight that today we can do it. Which
team's faster real quick? Which one do you think is quicker?
I know McDavid's is lightning, But who's the faster team?
Speaker 6 (06:57):
I think it's Canada just with m david and Kill mccarr.
I mean, those are three of the fastest players in
the world. And when when Canada's penalty, you know, power
play unit comes out. That's that's scary, that's dangerous.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
So fast and they move so fast, So it's going
to come down, I think, Cole, would you agree Canada
speed against America's toughness and its physicality.
Speaker 6 (07:21):
Yeah, for sure. I mean that's that's what it was
the other night. And you know, physicality and and you
know kind of just grouve force in your face. Domination
is what won the day. And we'll see if the
United States can do it again.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
All right, Well, it's going to be a fun one
to watch, Cole. Appreciate a few minutes of your time
and USA USA.
Speaker 4 (07:38):
Thanks Cole.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
This kid's been a living breathing his whole life. I've
watched this come I've seen this kid come up and
he's a good reporter. He's covering hockey here in Utah
and he's he knows the game. Well, thanks for joining
us on the programs.
Speaker 6 (07:51):
Yeah, appreciate it. And play some freebird for me when
you go out your next quick All right.
Speaker 4 (07:59):
Cole Bagley joined in US.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
As we talk about the big game tonight, you make
I I just think revenge is on Canada's mind.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
Is going to be tough for the USA. To beat
them again, beat them twice. When you have beat them great, Yeah,
it's it is tough. But I'm telling you what what
a venue. And I do think that that, you know,
Canada reporters would like to tell you that Canada somehow
an underdog in this game.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
In this match, it's they're not not at all.
Speaker 3 (08:21):
But I think I think USA pulls it out and
I'm going to be watching it and cheering.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
See you. That was saying we needed moisture. We need
the moisture.
Speaker 4 (08:30):
Yeah, we need moisture.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
Are you happy now?
Speaker 6 (08:32):
No?
Speaker 4 (08:32):
We still need more. We still need more.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
We checked this box. I'm done with this snow, I'm done.
Speaker 4 (08:36):
We still need a little bit more pace. We have
something to give away. We do show. Do you want
to explain to people.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
Ladies and gentlemen.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
I've gone to great links I again again, I've avoided
all corporate.
Speaker 4 (08:49):
Protocol to do this.
Speaker 3 (08:50):
We have here on premise for your enjoyment if you win, uh,
your very own unique on Greg Show hat. These are
the coolest hats in the world, very much so. We
got two kinds we have that. We have the the
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We have we have the flat bill that all the
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kids are wearing, and it's red. Because you know we're conservative.
Maggot doesn't monopolized the red hat, right, So we got
our red Roden Gregg show hats.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
He says Karen us on side, A very beautiful hat.
So if you come in.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
First, first one that comes in and says I love
the Rod and Gregg show at Motor Sportsland, we'll let
you choose your hat.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
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of the road.
Speaker 4 (09:36):
First one that comes down by, you can get one
of those hats I got.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
I tell you, I don't know that I can explain
the cool the level of coolness this hat is like
it's a branded bill hat.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
If you're into hats.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
It's a cool hat. Yeah, and they're they're unique. All right,
let's talk with Steve Moore for a few minutes, shall we.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
Let's do it.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
Steve Moore, of course, top economic advisor to President Trump
during his first term in office. Of course, is always
great to have Steve on an economist. Steve, thanks for
joining us this afternoon. Steve, Let's talk about what Donald
Trump and Elon Musk talked about yesterday in their interview
with Sean Hennity that with all the money they're saving,
they may in fact give each American a five thousand
(10:15):
dollars refund or rebate.
Speaker 4 (10:18):
Let me tell you what, Steve, what do you think
of that idea?
Speaker 7 (10:22):
Well, it's going to be tough. I mean, everybody loves
to if you have a refund on their taxes. But
the problem is we're running, you know, these enormous deficits
right now, and it seems to me it's going to
be very difficult in any time in the short term.
You know by that, I mean the next few years
to be able to get the debt deficit down to
(10:42):
zero so that we could actually afford to pay a
refund to people. So it's a nice idea, and it's
a nice goal, but I wouldn't hold your breath to
get one.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
So only when we speak with you do I hear
anything that sounds like the fate we that we may
if the Donald Trump tax cuts are not extended. I
hate saying it that way, because there is no tax
cut in our future. It is just the current tax
burden we bear now, just the one where's no tax cut.
(11:13):
The burden we have right now abs and congressional action,
we will we will face a tax increase. Do you
know how many people do not understand my question when
I say, are you going to stop the tax increase
from coming? We don't have a tax cut, we have
a tax burden, we have a tax create increase coming.
Can it be stopped?
Speaker 2 (11:34):
And they don't know what I'm talking about?
Speaker 8 (11:36):
What?
Speaker 2 (11:36):
What are people missing?
Speaker 7 (11:39):
Well, it's the numbers of Congress. They don't seem to
understand what you just said. And what you said is
exactly right that the failure is not an option here,
and an action is not an option. We have to
get this tax bill extended, and we need to get
it extended as rapidly as possible. You know, the clock
is ticking here. On January first, the tax ci goes away,
and as you just said, they every family days a
(12:00):
three thousand dollars tax increase. That's enormous, and nobody wants
to see that. It's the surest way for Republicans to
lose the midterm elections. It's the surest way to make
sure that we don't get the kind of economic recovery
we deserve. So I don't understand the logic of why
Republicans are dithering on this. It's very frustrating because we
(12:24):
you know, by the way, every single business so in
America would face a higher tax burden. That's no way
to create jobs.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
Steve you mentioned, of course, I think in your your
Daily Minute that you put out the GOBINDI do unleash prosperity.
You talked about it and you said, come on, Congress,
what are you waiting for?
Speaker 4 (12:41):
Just do it? What is holding them ups? Do you
have any thought? Yeah?
Speaker 7 (12:45):
I mean it's the Nike ad right, just ye, yes, So,
and you think about the Republicans of the House. They
have the Senate, they have the presidency. You've got a
present with a fifty three percent approval rating, you've got
a president with a voter to get the tax cuts done,
and you've got an economy that needs to pick me up.
So I don't understand the logic of waiting. And a
(13:09):
lot of my friends on Wall Street and the business
are getting very concerned that they may not get this done.
And so it has to get done. And I'm tired
of beving some of my Republican conservative friends to say, well,
let's sa add all these budget cuts to the tax bill. Now,
let's get the tax bill done. Everybody agrees on that,
and then we can have a fight on the budget.
And there's nobody wants to cut spending and take a
(13:30):
chainsaw of the budget more than I do. But I
think holding that tax cuts hostage to budget cuts is
a really bad and dangerous idea. You know you just
said it.
Speaker 3 (13:39):
So sometimes as of recovering, you know, public servant, if
you want to deliver a tax cut, if you want
to deliver a tax cut, you are looking at the
math of what if you lowered the rate, less money,
less revenue would arrive. There is when I hear a
member of Congress tell me, well, we have to pay
for this extension of the tax cut. No, you don't,
(14:00):
because you're going to get the same revenue you've always
been getting. If you don't raise our taxes, you don't
have to pay to keep our tax rate the same.
There's not paying for it, like you so called pay
for a tax cut. If you were to get less
or tax less, we're just asking to not be taxed more.
Speaker 4 (14:19):
Why are they.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
Continue to saying, well, we've got to we've got to
figure out how we're going to pay for that. There's
nothing to pay for.
Speaker 7 (14:25):
No, there's exactly right. I mean, the fact is, I
mean you've put it very well that they have to
use what's called the current policy baseline, and the current
policy is the tax cut, and you know they can
just keep extending that, hopefully make it permanent because it
was a big success. And instantly the Congressional Budget Office
that it's going to cost four trillion dollars to extend
(14:46):
the tax cut. Well, wait a minute, four trillion dollars,
that's ridiculous. These are the same people that it would
cost two trillion dollars to do it the first time,
and we didn't lose any money at all. So I
think it's a bogus score. I think Republicans should not
chain themselves to a congressional There's nothing in the law
that says Congressional Budget Office is the final jury and
judge on this. Why don't we use common sense? And
(15:07):
look what happened when we passed the tax cut and
the revenues came in, you know, at a very high levels.
So we're going to do great damage to the economy
if we don't get this done. So get going. And
then you guys just said just do it.
Speaker 3 (15:20):
Well, that's a four trillion dollar tax increase, is what
they're saying. If that's how they're calculatingly, that's a four
trillion dollar tax increase.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
My goodness.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
Yeah, sorry, I'm randing a bit, but I just you're
the only one that understands.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
You're the only one. Yeah, Well, we and we need
to give Steve credit. Could you worked on this tax
cut plan?
Speaker 4 (15:37):
Is that right? Steven with with Brenton Trump? Yeah?
Speaker 7 (15:40):
Yes, And when I saw the President about a week
and a half ago, two weeks ago, and the first
thing I said to him, as which President, that tax
cut turned out better than we even thought it would.
You know, we got a great job growth we got
remember before COVID hit, we got the biggest boom ever
in the economy. And the revenue it's not a revenue
problem in Washington. Let me say that out there, we
have plenty of tax revenues. We just spend way too
(16:02):
much money. And you know, I think, as you guys
said earlier, just go back to the amount of money
you spent before COVID and we've got basically a balanced punchest.
So this isn't that hard. They're making it too difficult.
And the American people want it, they deserve it, and
that the cost of failure is not just you know,
a damaged economy, but the Republicans will get thrown out
on their bucks in November of twenty twenty six if
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they don't deliver.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
Steve, final question for you before we let you go,
there is a little hockey game taking place in Boston.
You want to weigh in on this one, Steve, make
a prediction about it.
Speaker 7 (16:36):
Oh, I'm going to have to go with us A.
Speaker 3 (16:38):
That's right, yes's absolutely right.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
USA.
Speaker 7 (16:42):
I think I think I think I heard that A
Trump is suiting up for that game.
Speaker 3 (16:47):
Heard here first, folks, it's official. He never In fact,
we're so tired of winning, it's fatiguing to win as
much as he wins.
Speaker 7 (16:57):
All right, guys, that a great weekend.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
Hey, you to thank you?
Speaker 4 (17:00):
All right?
Speaker 1 (17:01):
Steve Moore, chief economist at one time for President Trump,
now working with the Committee to Unleash Prosperity, and of
course talking about working with a Heritage foundation as well. Now,
when we come back on the Rod and Gregg Show,
Brad Wilson, who has a new job to head up
the Olympics, we'll join us right here as we continue
with our live broadcast from motorsports Land, their big RV
(17:23):
Mega Tent event.
Speaker 4 (17:24):
We invite you to come on by.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
We'll be here until seven o'clock tonight. More coming up
on the Rod and Gregg Show. Brad Wilson, Who did
he take your place?
Speaker 2 (17:32):
He did?
Speaker 4 (17:33):
Ye took Greg Hughes's place to Speaker of the House.
Has a new job. He's not trying and run the Olympics.
Speaker 3 (17:39):
Well, you know, the house is like herding cats. This one,
this is like hurd and cats. It's nothing, It's easy
compared to the house. I'm telling you, this is a
snoozer job compared to the house.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
Yeah, that's for sure. Old Brad is joining us on
our newsmaker line. Brad, congratulations on your selection to be
CEO of the Olympics coming to Utah in twenty thirty four.
As the world arrives. Brad, you've got some challenges out there.
What are your initial thoughts on this new job and
new opportunity.
Speaker 8 (18:04):
We absolutely are Utah will host the world and represent
our country in February of twenty thirty four, and we
couldn't be more excited about it.
Speaker 3 (18:14):
So you've been a phenomenal Speaker of the House. We
work together when I served in the House, and I
think we made a phenomenal team. But when you say
twenty thirty six, I can't even fathom what the world
looks like when I'm in nine years. For me, what's
the first step you do? I mean, when something's out
that far in terms of an event, what are you
working on? Give our listeners an idea? What are you
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working on today as the CEO of our Olympic Committee?
Speaker 8 (18:40):
Yeah, well, Greg, I will just say that it was
a great time working with you, but thanks. We know
we've got about thirty two hundred days between now and
twenty thirty four when the Olympics arrive here, and so yeah,
you're right, it's a little bit of a long time.
And in fact, in some ways we're really lucky. We
got awarded these Olympics about two and a half years
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earlier than most cities or most states would and the
question that we've got to answer is how do we
use that time to our advantage? And so we're in
the process of figuring that out. To be honest with you,
we don't know all the answers yet. One of the
things that I'm going to do very first, My role
as CEO is go on a listening tour to all
the communities that are going to host these events, but
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also to other parts of the state, rural Utah, southern Utah,
and try to learn how they want to be engaged.
As we ramp up to host these amazing Olympic Olympic Games,
and we are in the process of what we're calling
the Foundational Phase. We're going to engage our youth in
a tremendous way, not just in Utah, but think about
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this for a minute, because we've got so much time.
There could be kids going to school today somewhere in
Utah or other places in our country that could become
Olympians nine years from now. And we want to do
everything we can to not just host a great Olympics
for the world, but also make sure the Team USA
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has a very strong podium showing in nine years that
we have great athletes and the youth of today are
the athletes of tomorrow.
Speaker 4 (20:18):
Right.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
What about the facilities and what we'll need to do
As far as the facilities are concerned, I know we
did a great job.
Speaker 4 (20:25):
We continue to maintain them. They're continue they're being used
right now. Is it going to take you foresee a
huge upgrade of the facilities we have construction and new facilities.
I know it's early in the game right now, but
what's your take on that. I mean, to me, I
think we're in pretty good shape.
Speaker 8 (20:42):
You know what you just described right as actually the
cornerstone of why we became the host for twenty thirty four,
and it's because our venues are Olympic ready today. We
don't have to do virtually anything to get ready to
host the Olympics. And it's for two different reasons. One is,
at the end of the two thousand and two Olympics,
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there was a legacy fund that was created, and that
about seventy five million dollars has been used to maintain
those venues and to keep our youth and athletes in
them every day since two thousand and two. But also
the state has invested a lot of money, probably about
seventy to eighty million dollars over the last twenty years
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to upgrade and maintain those venues. And really we would
have done that regardless of whether or not we were
going to be hosting a future Winter Olympics, because they're
really used. I mean, they're used heavily. But anyway, because
we've got these venues, they're ready to go. We literally
could host the Olympics next year if we wanted to
without having to build anything.
Speaker 3 (21:46):
That's amazing, you know. Leading up to the two thousand
and two Winter Games, I mean, as lawmakers, we heard
about all the marshaling of federal funds and grants for
transportation infrastructure, things that we use today that really aren't
related to the Olympics. By as hosts of the World
Winter Games, really we could put on a fast track
and see that funding and that transportation infrastructure built in
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preparation for that event. Do you see a similar path
for Utah for its transportation infrastructure getting ready for these
Winter Olympics this time around.
Speaker 4 (22:20):
Yeah, I think it's going to be a little bit different.
Speaker 8 (22:22):
You'll all remember if you were here then the reconstruction
of I fifteen and events of the Olympics tracks went in.
We will absolutely take advantage of the next nine years
to what I would describe is use the Olympics as
a catalyst to help us maybe advance some infrastructure projects
that we would be doing anyway, but maybe we can
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get federal dollars to help us get those done sooner.
But you're not going to see a big gold rush
to spend a lot of infrastructure money just for the Olympics.
That would be very short sided. If we're going to
invest money in infrastructure, it needs to be infrastructure we're
going to need in twenty forty so that the state's
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a better place to live, our quality and life is better,
And those are the kinds of things that will we'll
be working on. Make no mistake though, and former Speaker
Hughes knows this. Any good government relations person around the
state's going to use the Olympics and that terminology to
try to get find project.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
Yeah, that is true.
Speaker 8 (23:26):
We've just got to be careful because, like I said,
we don't need those tax dollars to go to help
us support the Olympics. We will not use any tax
dollars to operate the Olympic Organizing Committee that I'm the
CEO of. That's all going to be done with private
dollars and with sponsorship dollars and ticket sales down the road.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
Brad, final question for you, you mentioned this at the beginning.
I know a big challenge facing you. Know, your task
right now is just to go out there and listen
to what people have to say and what they want.
Is there another challenge that you see the committee is
facing right now. I mean we're nine years out, but
still facing.
Speaker 8 (24:03):
You know, we're very fortunate our venues are not just ready,
but they're very proximate to each other and close to
each other. And I think that maybe not a challenge,
but an opportunity is what I would say we have.
Utah has become a global sports destination. I don't know
if you know this, but Salt Lake City now uses
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more hotel rooms for sporting events than they do for conventions.
People from all over not just the country, but all
over the world are coming to Utah, Southern Utah, Northern
Utah for amateur sporting events. And so we've got and
you know, we've adding hockey, We're going to be at baseball,
most likely, we're hosting the Winter Olympics. We are becoming
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a global sports destination and we've just got to accelerate
that and try to lean into it because sports and
I know you both love sports, but sports is one
of the last things we have that brings us all together.
And Utah has this just really fun chance to be
a big part of that in the future.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
Former Speaker the Utah House Brad Wilson, now CEO of
the Utah Olympics coming to this great state in twenty
thirty four. Big news coming out of Washington today, The
President is getting closer and closer Greg to the Kevint.
He wants Cash Betel approved today as the new director
of the FBI.
Speaker 3 (25:24):
You know, I was, you know, mich Lee obviously voted
for President Trump's nominees for all Is Cavitain nominees. But
you know, we've had there's been a continuing discussion about
our new newest Senator John Curtis. Hats off to Senator Curtis.
He voted for Cash Battel, and it was a squeaker folks.
Fifty one votes yes and forty nine no. So those
votes absolutely count, sure, and I you know, I'm not
(25:46):
sure that under our past senator we would have got
a yes on that.
Speaker 4 (25:50):
So that's true.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
Needed the Vice President Vans to break the tie.
Speaker 4 (25:55):
So it's good.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
President will be holding his first cabinet many me next week.
I'll be interesting to watch, all right. Coming up our
number two as we continue with our live broadcast from
Molders sports.
Speaker 9 (26:07):
Land, Karen Murray there a Mega ten events had some
advice for young men in America today? What is the
status of young men? We'll talk about that coming up.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
You know, I mentioned yesterday I feel sad for Kentucky
because Kentucky Fried Chicker is no longer in Kentucky.
Speaker 4 (26:26):
It's moved to Texas. And now you know what happened
to this news?
Speaker 1 (26:30):
Yeah, they're moving their corporate headquarters. Now you know what
happened today. What Mitch McConnell is not running for re election.
I can see the sadness in your eyes.
Speaker 3 (26:41):
He checked out a long time ago. His body might
be sitting in there that he doesn't know what's going on.
Speaker 4 (26:45):
That's true.
Speaker 3 (26:47):
He literally makes Biden look like he's a genius and
he's on his game. He's on point compared to Mitch
just zones out. He just stares. It's the craziest thing, like, oh,
he's not going to run for re election.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
You don't say. I mean, there is elderly abuse. You know,
it is a crime.
Speaker 4 (27:01):
He falls over sometimes, so he just falls.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
It's just unbelievable.
Speaker 3 (27:04):
It's a humiliation. It's ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
Yeah, Mitch McConnell, Well, he read the announce today he's
not seeking reelection.
Speaker 3 (27:10):
No pulse is a great thing to have when you're
in a Senate now, I gotta tell you, even our
state sense a little bit of the House of Lords,
the old and slow. So it's kind of a it's
kind of a senate thing generally. But I think Mitch
McConnell has jumped.
Speaker 4 (27:22):
The shark on this.
Speaker 2 (27:23):
I think he's gone down fun.
Speaker 4 (27:24):
He has he has all right.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
You know, over the last decade or so, how often
have men been put down toxic masculinity of what.
Speaker 4 (27:33):
They call it? Right?
Speaker 2 (27:34):
It has been a war on being a man.
Speaker 4 (27:37):
Yeah, it's been tough being a man in America today.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
It is where, you know, people very judgy. It's been
become a very judgeable.
Speaker 4 (27:45):
Women are always doudgy. Women judge us every time you
turn around.
Speaker 3 (27:49):
You know.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
I don't even think it's the women they're telling us
not to be men. I think it's I think.
Speaker 4 (27:53):
It's just would you like to define who others are?
Speaker 2 (28:00):
Do I say this politely?
Speaker 4 (28:01):
Don't?
Speaker 2 (28:02):
I think?
Speaker 3 (28:02):
I just say I think women understand the difference between
a man and a woman. I don't think women dislike men.
I think it's just there's a brand of other people
out there that just want they don't want men.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
They don't want they don't like the ulinity at all.
Speaker 4 (28:14):
If they don't like us, No, they don't.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
Okay, Well, remember what was it that let commercial a
few years ago where they just went after men and
said men, shame on you, you shouldn't be a man anymore.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
I don't remember that you marry that commercial? I think,
I think you're making that up.
Speaker 4 (28:29):
No, I am not making it up.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
But today at Seapack, Vice President jd Vance was there
and he talked about young men in America today. E Ray,
if you would play that sound bite that's jd Vance
on young men. List of what he had to say.
Speaker 10 (28:43):
My message to young men is, I think that our
culture sends a message to young men that you should
suppress every masculine urge. You should you should try to
cast aside your family, You should try to suppress what
makes you a young man in the first place. And
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I think that my message to young men is, don't
allow this broken culture to send you a message that
you're a bad person because you're a man. Because the
cultural message, and I think the presidents and in mine.
Speaker 4 (29:17):
Is the exact opposite.
Speaker 10 (29:18):
But our cultural message is I think that it wants
to turn everybody into whether male or female, into androgynists,
idiots who think the same, talk the same, and act
the same. We actually think God made male and female
for a purpose, and we want you guys to thrive
as young men and as young women, and we're going
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to help with our public policy to make it possible
to do that.
Speaker 4 (29:43):
I agree with everything. JD.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
Van Schiff said, androgynoist idiots.
Speaker 4 (29:48):
Idiot.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
Well, that's what women want from men. Women want men
to be a drogynist idiot?
Speaker 2 (29:54):
Why are you picking a woman. I don't think a
woman wants I don't think they want that.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
Somebody is out there wanting it, because that's what he
told every day.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
I think it's Tim Walls and the whimpy men.
Speaker 4 (30:03):
That's who it is.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
How can I put this? Have you seen Tim Walls?
Speaker 4 (30:06):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (30:06):
I have?
Speaker 3 (30:07):
Yeah, I waved and damp yeah, tamp on for guys
you want to yeah, yeah, that's.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
Brand has been after us.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
Well what would you how would you describe, mister Hughes?
The status of young men in America today confused?
Speaker 3 (30:23):
There as a lot of a lot of cultural messages
that make it hard for young men to understand what
their role or what their laying is. I think that's
changing though. I think we're in the middle not just
of a political but even a cultural shift and a
logical one and one that's more natural to.
Speaker 1 (30:39):
Yeah, I I I think I think Donald Trump has
kind of shifted that all and said, do not be
ashamed to be a young man in America today.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
So you ever see these nature shows you much like
gorillas with the little babies.
Speaker 4 (30:49):
You ever see what they do?
Speaker 3 (30:50):
The kids crawn all over the gorilla's head. You know,
the dad and he just takes kid, whips him. You
know he loves that kid, but he just whips him
because he's just on his head, just bugging him. You
see a lion, right, cubs are all over bam smacks
them with the big pause.
Speaker 4 (31:02):
So are you saying that father should spack their children?
Speaker 2 (31:06):
I am.
Speaker 3 (31:06):
I'm saying I'm saying aggression with love. Aggression with love
where there's no hate. There was no hate in that
gorilla's heart. There's no hate in the lion's heart. It's
how they just banter. It's how you can you can
rough house. Yeah, you learn that, you learn that as
a kid with a father, you learn that. You know,
that's how it works. Yeah, and there's this big societal thing.
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You can't lay hands on it. You can't smack them around.
How could we even enjoy hockey without fights? That's true,
I mean take half the game away.
Speaker 4 (31:35):
You know.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
I I recall as growing up as a kid, and
I know to you that's ancient because I'm so much
older than you are.
Speaker 4 (31:41):
But my father never spanked me. So you know what
he did.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
What he gave me the spock pinch on the shoulder.
You know that the spock thing went like this man
that would.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
Hurt In colonial times, they didn't hear can they pinched
them on the.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
Show When we came to America. It was early on
were you're just learning? So yes, Rocks, he gave me
the spark pinch. He didn't have to hit me, but
I knew he won my attention.
Speaker 2 (32:05):
Yeah, I get a biff in the back of the head.
Speaker 4 (32:07):
Did you a little cuff? A little cuff in the
back of the head. Well, with what JD.
Speaker 1 (32:12):
Van said today, I think we should find out from
our fabulous listeners, the smartest in the audience and all
the land, the status of young men in America today,
what they're afraid of and is it changing? I mean
there are some young ho are afraid to open up
a front door, a door for a woman.
Speaker 3 (32:28):
Yes, I mean, okay, there's some liberal ladies out there.
And by the way, there are no feminists in a
house fire. I don't know if you know that that's true.
Speaker 4 (32:35):
That's true.
Speaker 3 (32:35):
If there's a house fire, it's it's women and children first,
and there's not a single lady that's going to argue
with that rule, okay, because they want to get out
of that far. So no feminist in a house fire.
But if it's not a house fire, if you open
a door for a woman, some women get offended by that.
They do the liberal ones one, don't, you know, shave
their arm pits and stuff.
Speaker 4 (32:56):
Can I tell you what bugs me?
Speaker 11 (32:58):
What?
Speaker 4 (32:58):
All?
Speaker 5 (32:59):
Right?
Speaker 4 (32:59):
You ready for this?
Speaker 1 (33:00):
Seeing a young couple drive down the road and the
woman is driving. Yeah, Oh that drives me nuts. Yeah,
emasculated for the guy, you know, Okay, I'll admitt it
in that regard. I my chauvin this pig, I don't know.
I just does it bother you? I I don't you
don't even think about it?
Speaker 3 (33:18):
I don't look inside the car. I'm not peering in
people's cars to know who's driving Rod.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
I just don't even know. I can't tell you the status.
Speaker 4 (33:24):
I'm just it just bugged me. It's the way I
was brought up.
Speaker 2 (33:28):
I've let yeah, I used to know.
Speaker 3 (33:30):
I used to always drive, But I've getten, I've gotten
kind of used to sometimes if my wife's picking me
up or somethody just jumping the other.
Speaker 4 (33:36):
Really you let her drive?
Speaker 11 (33:37):
Ye?
Speaker 4 (33:37):
Well?
Speaker 1 (33:38):
It was all right, all right? We want problem, yes
you do. Really, we want to find out from our listeners.
I want them to describe what they see is the
status of young men in the country today, all right?
Speaker 4 (33:53):
And do they see a changing? Is it going back
to a more traditional role for young men?
Speaker 2 (33:58):
Can we have little ruffians run around here?
Speaker 4 (34:00):
I don't care if they want to come in.
Speaker 3 (34:02):
I love peewee football all the all the mighty, my dad.
That's that's land of the Free, home of the brave stuff.
When the little monsters of the midway. It is a
beautiful thing, it is.
Speaker 7 (34:10):
It is.
Speaker 4 (34:11):
So.
Speaker 1 (34:11):
We want to get your phone calls on this eight
eight eight five seven eight zero one zero, or on
your cell phone dial pound two fifty and say, hey, Rod,
see if you agree with me. I'm the status of
young men in America today and is it changing?
Speaker 4 (34:23):
JD.
Speaker 1 (34:23):
Vans today said he wants young guys in America to thrive,
young American men to thrive, and he talked about what
they're trying to do and the challenges that young American
men have faced over the years. And we thought we'd
ask our great listeners, smartest in the world, to give
us their idea of the status of young men today
and what their future looks like because it's being challenged.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
Can a kid be tough? Can he be a ruffian?
Speaker 4 (34:47):
Can he be a guy?
Speaker 2 (34:48):
Can he be a guy?
Speaker 3 (34:49):
Can you be Can you drag your knuckles on the
ground like the Neanderthal?
Speaker 2 (34:53):
Like the good old days? And we still do this.
Speaker 1 (34:55):
I just want to know eight eight eight five seven
eight zero one zero eight eight eight five seven o
eight zero one zero on your cell phone, dial pound
two fifty and say, hey, Rod, let's go to the
phones and talk with Sean who's in Taylorsville tonight on.
Speaker 4 (35:08):
The Roden Greg Show. Sean, how are you? Thanks so
much for joining us?
Speaker 12 (35:12):
I am well, thank you? Uh yeah, so I want
to say I love what President and Vice President Vance
said today, and uh, I believe that this idea of
toxic masculinity has been a poisoned pill that's been fed
to our young for what a couple of decades?
Speaker 7 (35:27):
Now?
Speaker 4 (35:27):
Yeah, yeah, what what?
Speaker 9 (35:30):
What?
Speaker 11 (35:30):
Do?
Speaker 1 (35:31):
Let me ask you this, Sean, how would you describe
the status of young men in America today?
Speaker 7 (35:37):
Uh?
Speaker 12 (35:37):
Yeah, they're in danger, you know, because they are young
and impressionable, and uh there's a lot of forces just
trying to teach them to be whims.
Speaker 13 (35:46):
Well.
Speaker 3 (35:47):
Agree, I don't know if our audience will we'll know
what this web this, I only know what you call it.
It's an app, but it's a site of you know,
barstool Sports. Anyway, follow that, I'm telling you that's that's
at that site is for guys. It's by guys, for guys.
We're still sports and all the rage.
Speaker 12 (36:04):
And just one other thing. When you were talking about
the animals, uh uh swatting their young. So my mom
had a broken fly swatter, just the handle of it,
and she didn't have to use it half the time.
Speaker 13 (36:17):
She just had to reach for it.
Speaker 4 (36:18):
See it worked that.
Speaker 2 (36:21):
I love that, Sean.
Speaker 4 (36:22):
That works Sewan. It sure does.
Speaker 2 (36:24):
Spare the spoil the child.
Speaker 1 (36:27):
I always heard wait till your father gets home, spare
Rod child, and that scared me. All right, more of
your calls coming up Rod in Great show broadcasting live
today from the Motor Sportsland Mega Tent are the event.
They'll be here through Saturday, and we invite you to
come on by and take a look at all these
great RVs.
Speaker 4 (36:44):
They've got a number of things going on. A band.
They didn't bring a band today. It's just you and I.
Speaker 7 (36:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (36:49):
I thought they don't want us to say the hell.
Speaker 3 (36:50):
Of the Chief, like when the president's the room they
have the band go. I thought maybe there'd be a
band when.
Speaker 4 (36:54):
We walked in, but they don't want to.
Speaker 3 (36:56):
We're on a stage. The stage is actually stage is great.
Speaker 1 (36:58):
All right, come on by. We'll be here until seven
o'clock tonight. More coming up on the Roden Gregg Show.
Speaker 4 (37:03):
Right now.
Speaker 1 (37:03):
We're talking about mask a toxic masculinity in America today.
Jd Vance spoke about that today said, you know, young men,
be proud to be a man, don't be ashamed to
be a man.
Speaker 4 (37:15):
I think a lot of young men are out there,
so let me tell.
Speaker 3 (37:18):
You what I think is a dilemma in American American culture,
single motherhood is on the rise, and it's been for
a long long time. And when young men are grow
up without a father or father figure, they gravitate to
male role models. And then when you get into city,
urban environments, what do those male role models come from.
(37:38):
They usually come from gangs, they usually that's true. That's true,
the older guys that are not going to really bring
a lot of value add to these young men, but
they are in search of that male role model. And
so it's innate in young men to have a father figure.
And so it's it could be your church, but if
it's not your church, it could be maybe a source
that's not right or that that's positive. Of what jd
(38:02):
Vance is saying is he's saying we need to embrace
this and it really needs to be brought out and
brought to our attention because we've lived in a culture
right now that has failed to recognize that young men
will gravitate to male role models for what for that
affirmation on how to be a man. And if you're
just going to ignore it and you're going to do
what he what do you call it? Adrogynous idiots. Yes, okay,
(38:23):
if you're going to be an arogynous idiot, you've completely
left the demographic of young young men in search of
those male role models behind. And I'm going to tell
you left on their own, to their own device, it
won't be a value add to society.
Speaker 2 (38:36):
It's just it's a nightmare.
Speaker 1 (38:37):
Well, and I think that's what he's concerned about. You know,
I remember years ago it was Barack Obama who held
this big event talking about fatherhood and you know, young men,
and we're going to encourage more of this.
Speaker 4 (38:51):
It went nowhere. I mean, he held this event and
it didn't go anywhere. Why he didn't push it.
Speaker 1 (38:55):
You rarely hear politicians greg in America today talk about
the importance of that nuclear family.
Speaker 4 (39:02):
And I don't know why they're so afraid.
Speaker 3 (39:04):
It's even worse than that. I've heard people say it's
racist or it's wrong to bring it up, to bring
up a mom and a dad in the family, that
that having both as you know, raising you is it's
somehow wrong to bring up and insensitive to to emphasize.
And I'm telling you, my mother is a single mother.
My grandmother raised my mom and my uncle and my
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aunts and my uncle as a single mom.
Speaker 2 (39:28):
Uh and.
Speaker 3 (39:30):
No rip, certainly no rip on my grandmother or my mother.
I will tell you having a mom and a dad
in a home is giving a kid his best shot.
Speaker 4 (39:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (39:37):
Well, without apology, I'll say it, and I'm not and
I'm not disparaging my family when I.
Speaker 1 (39:41):
Say it, Well, I congratulate, Uh, your mom and your
grandmother who raised you.
Speaker 4 (39:46):
Yeah, they did a pretty good job. Not great against them.
Speaker 1 (39:49):
I hold it against they raised you, which was a
challenge I have because I've heard many of your stories.
Speaker 2 (39:56):
Feral child, I just kind of went on a wild
you know. I just it's hard to raise me.
Speaker 4 (40:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (40:01):
Yeah, well I can understand that. But on my side,
mom and dad. But my dad left us early. I
mean he passed away at a very young age of
forty eight years old. You know, two of us, my
older brother and I were kind of off on our own.
But the rest, you know, and it was a challenging gap.
It is, there is a gap there, yep. And it
starts to have dad around to kick your butt. Yeah,
and to remind you don't be an idiot.
Speaker 3 (40:22):
And if you understand Jade Vance's history and story himself.
He grows up in a single momb right, yeah, single
moment has bought as poor and as a rough upbringing
as you can get, and a country where self determination
and you can become vice president of the United States.
But he's talking about the emphasizing that young men need
to be men and we're not all the same, and
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it comes with experience. When he says it, he's not
reading that out of a book.
Speaker 2 (40:47):
No, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (40:48):
No, And I think him and his wife are a
great example of a great young American family.
Speaker 2 (40:53):
How great are those young kids of his?
Speaker 4 (40:54):
Oh, they're super, They're super.
Speaker 2 (40:56):
He's got them on you know, he takes them on
those trips with them.
Speaker 1 (40:58):
And it's a horrible story. But I saw this today,
I guess, and I got a share it. It never
goes well after we preface it with this is a
horrible JD. Van JD Van's and his little boy. Yes,
we're in the white in the Oval office the other day.
We saw those pictures. Right, well, apparently his little boy,
I think does he call him X No, you're talking
(41:19):
not no? I mean, yeah, okay, and his little boy right, well,
apparently the little guy decided to pick his nose, get out.
Speaker 4 (41:28):
No hot that missed the and he wiped it on
the resolute desk.
Speaker 2 (41:34):
Oh that's not.
Speaker 4 (41:35):
Now the story is that Trump is ordered.
Speaker 1 (41:38):
He wants a different desk, and now Trump is a
bit of a germ of ful I don't know if
that story true, but I saw it out there.
Speaker 4 (41:45):
I read that story.
Speaker 1 (41:46):
So this little, this little three year old kid wipes
it on the resolute desk, and now the president.
Speaker 4 (41:53):
This historic tesk is not going to work for me.
Speaker 2 (41:55):
I can't not anymore.
Speaker 1 (41:56):
Man.
Speaker 2 (41:57):
He didn't raise him very well. He's just putting that
right on my desk.
Speaker 4 (42:00):
That's not gonna work. But that's what little boys do.
Speaker 2 (42:03):
Actually not.
Speaker 3 (42:05):
You never picked your nose and put on the resolute desk.
Speaker 2 (42:08):
No, I didn't know.
Speaker 3 (42:09):
Well, yeah, it's a bit of an important place. You
got to you know, read the room, kid, But he
play for you that there's like eight hundred cameras in there.
Speaker 2 (42:18):
Do you want to be known for picking your nose?
Rest of your.
Speaker 1 (42:21):
Godaw, I'm just saying that's the story of this out
there today. I find these unusual stories, all right, your
calls eight eight eight five seven o eight zero one
zero eight eight eight five seven o eight zero one zero,
the nuttiest things, the nuttiest things that you did as
a young man, because we've all done them.
Speaker 4 (42:37):
I guarantee you that. You know, we were playing the
other day.
Speaker 1 (42:40):
There's a debate between democracy and bureaucracy in this country today.
You know, we we got faked out on a little
bit of this montage we ran yesterday. But Jim Jordan,
I really like Jim Jordan from Ohio, our congressman from Ohio,
took to the Senate floor yesterday and talked about this.
He gave a master class to the Democrats when it
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comes to democracy.
Speaker 4 (43:04):
That's what he had to say.
Speaker 14 (43:05):
And I think this just underscores the fundamental difference between
the left and those of us in the Republican Party,
those of us conservatives. They the left thinks the bureaucrats
are smarter than we. The people gotta trust the bureaucracy,
gotta trust it.
Speaker 4 (43:20):
You gotta trust the experts in the government.
Speaker 14 (43:24):
I'd rather trust the people, the seventy seven million people
who elected President Trump, who told us he was systematically
going to go through these agencies and identify dumb things,
that dumb things where taxpayer money is going to He
told us he was going to do it. The American
people understood it, he got elected. Now he's carrying out
(43:44):
that mission, and they're attacking the guy who's president.
Speaker 4 (43:47):
Trump is put in charge of this effort. See, they're
attacking him. They don't get it.
Speaker 3 (43:55):
They don't And there's nothing about what's happening right now
that anyone will argue isn't a campaign promise being delivered upon?
And so when they complain about it, they really are
picking the wrong side of history, wrong side of the election.
And they don't know how to course correct.
Speaker 2 (44:12):
They just don't. They don't know how to do it.
Speaker 3 (44:14):
All they've done for how long ten years is say
that everything that if Trump walked on water, they tell
you he doesn't know how to swim.
Speaker 2 (44:21):
Look how bad he is.
Speaker 3 (44:22):
Yeah, okay, So they just don't know any other reaction
to anything he does but to scream tyranny and everything else.
Speaker 4 (44:29):
The reaction they're all now working into.
Speaker 1 (44:32):
First of all, we mentioned this, of course, that he's
not paying enough attention to the economy. He's thinking too
much about pairing down.
Speaker 4 (44:39):
You know, give the guy. He's been in office as
a month as of today.
Speaker 2 (44:42):
It's amazing how everything now is, like, why has it
changed yet?
Speaker 4 (44:45):
Yeah? Yeah.
Speaker 1 (44:46):
And then the other argument you hear out there, well,
why doesn't he go through the channels, go through Congress
and make all these cuts.
Speaker 4 (44:52):
Yeah, been tried before and it's gotten nowhere.
Speaker 3 (44:55):
So what they're arguing is he doesn't move fast enough,
and he's moving too fast.
Speaker 4 (45:00):
That's true, is what they're saying.
Speaker 2 (45:02):
He is just moving too fast.
Speaker 3 (45:04):
He is not moving fast enough and changing everything, and
they just again, they just I hope that when the
American people see or listen to some of this commentary
from the left, it just reminds them that they these
aren't They don't represent you, they don't even care about you.
It's it's that's the bureaucracy that they care about. It's
the one that's all that money we see that's been
(45:25):
funneling around everybody. And I still can't believe that that's
Stacy Abrams, that she.
Speaker 4 (45:31):
Got money yesterday, didn't know it was uncovered yesterday.
Speaker 3 (45:33):
She got money two billion dollars in an account that
had one hundred dollars in it, opened four months ago,
and Biden administration put two billion dollars into that account
as a nonprofit.
Speaker 4 (45:45):
Yeah, what in the world.
Speaker 1 (45:47):
It's nobody challenged him, Greg, Nobody had the guts to
say that's not going.
Speaker 4 (45:52):
To do it's not going to work. Amazing, And you've
expressed this concern.
Speaker 1 (45:56):
What the you know, how much of that money lined
the post gets some people who are running these organizations,
and how much of it actually went to help people.
Speaker 3 (46:04):
So we talk a lot about how it goes to
some leftist uh you know endeavors. I think they're pocketing
and profiting. Yeah, more of it than that, they're than
they're wasting on some of these projects.
Speaker 1 (46:15):
Well, we're going to change gears a little bit when
we come back for and talk about immigration in America.
Speaker 2 (46:20):
You know they're going to drop that puck here soon.
Speaker 3 (46:22):
Six US Team USA VERSUS Canada, Big Final, Big Now
my question match.
Speaker 4 (46:28):
Will they boo? Game? Will they boo? Of course the
Boston We've got a Bruins fan in front of it.
Would they boo? Brandon?
Speaker 2 (46:37):
Yeah, Brandon, Yeah, yeah, guarantee, per guarantee.
Speaker 1 (46:40):
One hundred percent guarantee. Well, we'll keep our eye on
that game, but we want to talk to you about
a lot of things. In the final hour of the
show tonight, it has been a bad week for CBS.
Speaker 2 (46:50):
It's like a batting.
Speaker 4 (46:52):
I mean, if you think about it. Margaret Brennan, Margaret Brannan.
Speaker 1 (46:55):
Show on the Fates the Nation just made a fool
of herself on Sunday and then the sixty minute show
was ridiculous. Well, Gail King on CBS This Morning, right,
wanted to blame the accident, the airplane crash up there
in Canada on who else but Donald Trump?
Speaker 2 (47:13):
Trump? Right, So, yeah, he's a president, surely.
Speaker 1 (47:17):
So she had the CEO Ed Bastion of Delta Airlines,
who's been here. We're a big hub for Delta air Lines.
It's important, right, She had him on the show yesterday
morning and tried to see if he would admit that
it was Donald Trump's fault for that crash in Toronto.
Speaker 4 (47:34):
Here's how the exchange went. Play that if you would rate.
Speaker 15 (47:40):
You know, the Trump administration recently fired many employees of
the FAA administration. Those cuts do those cuts? Were you
and do you think that impacts the safety? I know
you just said it's the safest way to travel, but
after looking at all these mishaps, a lot of people
are very nervous. Do these cuts affect you.
Speaker 4 (47:57):
The cuts do not affect us.
Speaker 11 (47:58):
Scale been in close communication with the Secretary of Transportation.
I understand that the cuts at this time are something
that are raising questions. But the reality is there's over
fifty thousand people that work at the FAA, and the cuts,
I understand were three hundred people and they were in
non critical safety functions. The Trump administration has committed to
(48:20):
investing deeply in terms of improving the overall technologies that
are used in the air traffic control systems and modernizing
the guys. They've committed to hiring additional controllers and investigators
and safety investigators. So no, I'm not concerned with that
at all.
Speaker 4 (48:37):
That's amazing.
Speaker 1 (48:38):
I mean, she tried to nail them and get the
CEO of Delta to basically tell America, yeah, it's all
Trump's fault on these airline crashes, and he said, no,
that's not a problem. There are fifty thousand employees that
the FAA and Donald Trump has laid off three.
Speaker 4 (48:52):
Hundred and fifty.
Speaker 3 (48:53):
Yeah, it's not just that, he said. It could have
been a simple yes or no, but he didn't. Decided
not to make it a yes or no, decided to
tell her. Do you know how many employees there are?
And I know you want to make this the biggest
deal in the world. It's just not sorry, Yeah, you know,
go fish.
Speaker 4 (49:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (49:09):
A story out today, Greg, let's talk about immigration here
for a few minutes. There was some story out today
that said there are now more border patrol agents on
the border than there are people who trying to cross
it illegally, which I think you.
Speaker 4 (49:25):
Well, there's a new study out.
Speaker 1 (49:27):
This is done by our next guest and his organization,
the Center for Immigration Studies. His name is Steve Camarata. Steve,
thanks for joining us tonight. Steve, You've got a new
study out join that immigrants arriving in the US are
significantly less educated than people have come in before.
Speaker 4 (49:43):
What does that mean and how's that impacting the US?
Speaker 16 (49:45):
Steve, Yes, So we look at a lot of different ways,
but maybe this summarizes it. It was the case that
only thirty six percent of immigrants before COVID, the newcomers
had no low education beyond high school. That has either
they either dropped out of high school or had only
a high school education. Now we're seeing it's closer to half.
(50:07):
So a big change there, and the percentage who actually
have more education, like a college degree, has also gone
down quite a bit. At the same time, natives have
become somewhat more educated, so the gap between the two
groups has widened in terms of what are some of
the practical implications. Well, if we look at the fraction
of newcomers who who say have low income, again, the
(50:30):
gap with the native born got bigger, and so as
a consequence because many more of the new arrivals have
low income. And just in the last three years we've
added three point five million low income immigrants to the country.
Now that's way more than in previous years if you
look at you know, like three year arriving groups, So
(50:51):
that's a big effect. Or maybe look at it this way.
Here's another consequence. If we look at immigrant men, they
actually earned about eighty percent as much as US born men.
And this is the new arrivals, so that's not a
huge gap. But now in twenty twenty four when we
look at it, it was fifty two percent. So relative
to the native born, and in absolute terms, the income
(51:14):
of these newly arrived men is a lot less and
many more new immigrants live in or near poverty.
Speaker 3 (51:20):
So is there a reset that's even possible. And by that,
I mean, so we have a secure border now, so
we're not seeing those numbers arrive. In the Great Recession,
we saw I'm told that we saw people that were
leaving the United States because there was a lack of opportunity,
maybe going back to homes, nations of origin. Will any
of that?
Speaker 2 (51:39):
Do you see any of that happening?
Speaker 3 (51:41):
Because I got to imagine that what you're describing here
and what your poll shows is that tough economic times
are in front of all of us with this kind
of surge of low income immigrants that are here and
looking for jobs and competing with you know, with Americans.
How do we reset this or can.
Speaker 16 (51:59):
We Well, I mean if the economy were to tank,
then yeah, you would expect fewer people to come just
as a natural situation, and more to go home. But
since the big impact does seem to be in these numbers,
the huge increase that illegal immigrants, who tend to be
the less educated, are in the data, that's what's driving
(52:22):
the results. So, as you point out, we're going to
get a lot less of the illegal immigrants, almost certainly
under President Trump, but also we might get more out
migration if enforcement is real, if they really go after
people and try to encourage them to move back to
their home countries, which is one of the big things
they can do, but also just remove more people, that's
(52:44):
likely to happen, and that could have a big effect.
It could alleviate some of the pressures on the labor market,
especially the bottom end, which tends to be poor and
where Americans really struggle. And at the same time it
might relieve some pressure on publics and tax players if
a significant fraction returned to their home countries.
Speaker 4 (53:05):
Steve, do we know the reason behind the decline in
the education of the newcomers? Do we know why? Yeah?
Speaker 16 (53:11):
I mean very simple. It's not that fewer educated immigrants came.
It's just that a whole lot more uneducated or less
educated immigrant claims.
Speaker 12 (53:22):
So put it this way.
Speaker 16 (53:23):
The number of newcomers was huge, of course in recent years,
and the number with only a high school degree or
less was up one hundred and three percent relative to say,
twenty eighteen before COVID, But the number with a college
degree was only up forty four percent. So both went up.
It's just that the less educated went up way more.
(53:44):
And the less educated are disproportionately the illegal immigrants. We
do get well educated illegal immigrants, but as far as
we can tell, three fours or something like that of
illegal immigrants have no education beyond high school. So their
surge pulled the overall averages down quite a bit.
Speaker 3 (54:06):
So in Utah, we have felt there was a point
during the Obama administration where every state felt like a
border state, and we certainly felt that here in Utah,
and there was a lag between the open borders and
what we started feeling here in our state. And what
we started feeling was the increase in crime, lawlessness, and
even the presence of this Nicaraguan gang has a presence
(54:27):
in our state. We saw housing available, housing get more scarce.
We saw jobs or side hustle jobs when people were
pursuing a second job. Those opportunities were disappearing. Our education
system was being really hit hard, and we're not seeing
that go away right away. It seems to be we're
on a lag. So we're seeing that grow and we're
still combating that, and we see that in front of us.
(54:48):
What for our listeners, what do we see from what
you're reporting, What does that look like is because that's
not going to go away tomorrow. What does it look
like when this number of low income immigrants and those
that health assistance or are poorer than what we've seen
in the past. Well, how does that impact our communities?
Speaker 16 (55:06):
Well, across a broad range of issues where they're interested
in the social mobility of immigrants.
Speaker 12 (55:11):
The impact on schools, hospitals, and healthcare, the labor market,
there's a lot.
Speaker 16 (55:17):
I mean, it depends on how you look at it,
but most people think bringing in less skilled immigrants into
the modern American economy, even though it certainly pleases employers
in low wage jobs, is not a good deal for
the country. It tends to create a lot of fiscal costs.
Not because the immigrants are lazy, not because they all
came to get welfare. It's just that in modern America,
(55:40):
people with very modest levels of education don't earn very much,
they don't pay much in taxes, and their low income
means that they or very often their US born children,
can qualify for a lot of programs. It's not a
good deal for taxpayers. And you're adding low wage workers
to compete with lowage American workers. And there's other things
(56:01):
going on in the US labor market. But the bottom
line is that's why it's so problematic, and that's why
most people think you should have a selection criteria that
doesn't admit so many people and enforce your law so
you can avoid this problem with illegal immigrants. But during
Biden's four years, all of that kind of went out
the window.
Speaker 4 (56:21):
Steve, thank you very much for joining us tonight.
Speaker 1 (56:23):
That's Steve Camarato, director of research at the Center for
Immigration Studies, talking about the education level of illegal immigrants
who are making their way into this country. The numbers
have dropped significantly, I heard today, down ninety five percent
on the board of this pretty amazing thanks to Donald
Trump and his new border security team. It'll be interesting
to see the number of people who watch this game.
(56:45):
I mean, they had what five point four million last
Saturday night. I bet the number is hired today.
Speaker 2 (56:50):
Greg, I do too.
Speaker 3 (56:52):
In the pregame, I've seen some of the social media.
These players from Canada in the USA, they say it
has a Stanley Cup feel to it. I mean, that's
how serious are taking this game today.
Speaker 2 (57:03):
Game seven Stanley Cup. It's a big deal, you know.
Speaker 1 (57:07):
I think the NHL really hit on something with this.
They this replaced the all Star Game. I hate All
Star games NBA. I don't mind Major League Baseball's All
Star Game. Yeah, I'm kind of okay with that. But
the NHL and the NBA, it's just all pro for
NFL the NFL. Yeah, that's kind of stupid. Hey, before
(57:27):
we break, how would you like this title? You remember
who George Santos is. He's the New York congressman, former Republican. Yeah,
kind of a whack job of a guy. Well, he
did an interview, a podcast interview with the comedian by
the name of Jim Norton. He's got a friend, do
you Yeah, okay, he's got a new podcast out there.
(57:47):
But Santo was asked about members of Congress, yes, the
and he identified what he called the smelliest member of Congress.
Speaker 2 (57:57):
Who would that be? Dying?
Speaker 1 (57:59):
Take as who would be of all the members of
the House, who do you think would be the stinkiest
lawmaker in Washington?
Speaker 3 (58:05):
If you have said Senate, I'd say Bernie Sanders.
Speaker 4 (58:08):
It's not the Senate, it's the House.
Speaker 2 (58:09):
The House, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (58:11):
Take a wild guess.
Speaker 3 (58:13):
Oh, Nancy Pelosi because she's half dead.
Speaker 1 (58:19):
Well, that could be true. Jerry Nadler, Oh, yeah, but
he's lost so much weight.
Speaker 4 (58:24):
I would, but he says he has the smelliest breath
in Congress.
Speaker 3 (58:28):
Jerry Nadler is so big he could he could hide
his lunch inside of his body like outside was by
the rolls of that.
Speaker 2 (58:34):
He could have just hit everything. You would never even know.
Speaker 3 (58:36):
Is that he probably forget it's there.
Speaker 1 (58:38):
Yeah, Santos told. Santos told Norton, h the dude just stinks.
Speaker 2 (58:42):
Wow, that's funny.
Speaker 4 (58:45):
I love him, don't ja.
Speaker 1 (58:46):
All right, we got more to come broadcasting live today
from the Motor Sportsland Mega Tent are the event. We're
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(59:07):
go to our next guest. You know, talking about whining,
which you do quite often and rant. You know, we
have all these federal employees and we don't want anyone
to lose their job, right, but they're all whining that
they're they're losing their jobs at the federal level. You know,
live in the real world because you and I we
could be fired in the next five minutes.
Speaker 2 (59:26):
Well, don't say that, Well we could be I mean.
Speaker 4 (59:29):
That's life in the real world.
Speaker 1 (59:30):
Right. Well, come to find out a lot of the
people who work for agencies, which party do.
Speaker 4 (59:36):
You think they belong to?
Speaker 2 (59:38):
That's in government?
Speaker 4 (59:39):
Yeah, in government government Democrats, that's true.
Speaker 1 (59:42):
Joining us work, joining us on our newsmaker line to
talk about that.
Speaker 4 (59:47):
He's done some digging into this story. Is Hayden du Bloise.
Speaker 1 (59:50):
He is a data and analytics director at the Foundation
for Government Accountability. Hayden, Welcome to the Rod and Greg Show.
Is Greg right, Hayden? Are most of them Democrats?
Speaker 12 (01:00:01):
Greg?
Speaker 11 (01:00:01):
Is right?
Speaker 13 (01:00:02):
So what we did was we dive into We first
looked at as you know, the president gets to a
point about three thousand people to the federal bureaucracy when
they come in office, but that makes up only about
one quarter of one percent of the entire federal workforce.
So there's this huge, massive bureaucracy that's not directly accountable
(01:00:25):
to the president, and we really wanted to dive into
those individuals who are in senior policy making and policy
implementing positions in the government. And we took data from
the Office of Personnel Management that was matched with voter records,
and we said, where do these folks tend to fall
on the political spectrum? And they tend to have about
(01:00:46):
a thirty percentage point advantage to the Democrat side of
the aisle over the Republican side of the aisle on average,
and in many agencies it's much much worse. And so
that's sort of the key takeaway, key finding, which I
think should worry a lot of Americans who hope that
the bureaucracy is more well balanced, but unfortunately the data
(01:01:06):
suggests otherwise.
Speaker 3 (01:01:08):
So there was talk in the last and the waning
days of the Biden administration that they were trump proofing
the executive branch. They were working very hard and even
admitting it that they were trying they were going to
try and thwart the incoming president's agenda. It seems like
with the data you're sharing that if they subscribe to
the same politics as President Biden, that they could trump
(01:01:30):
proof the executive branch.
Speaker 2 (01:01:34):
Should we be worried about that? Do you think the.
Speaker 3 (01:01:36):
Political leanings of the federal government employees being as strong
as it is to the left, should we be worried
that it will make President Trump's job a lot harder?
Speaker 13 (01:01:45):
Well, you know, they've already started doing that. We saw
this during the first Trump administration, when you had senior
attorneys intentionally making mistakes on federal lawsuits. We saw staff
at the Department of Health and Human Services crossing out
the day on hiring to make sure they preempted the
President Trump's first hiring freeze. And even before President Trump
(01:02:07):
took office for a second time, polling from Scott Rossumussen
found that close to half the federal workers signaled their
intention to resist the incoming administration. So they've already started
to do that, and it should be a cause for concern.
One of the more notable examples was after President Trump
issued in executive order to sort of go after DEI
(01:02:30):
and the federal government. You saw individuals who may have
had Chief Diversity Officer in their title quickly changed their
role title to something like senior executive overnight. So they
were trying to avoid the scrutiny of the new White House.
So they're already taking those steps to try to guard
themselves from the efforts of the Trump administration to root
(01:02:54):
out this you know, imbalance in the federal bureaucracy, and
at the same time, they're gearing up to sabotaze the
administration by continuing to impose their views in these policy
making positions that are directly counter to President Trump's agenda.
Speaker 1 (01:03:09):
Hayden, could you identify a couple of the departments that
had the greatest difference between Democrats and Republicans? Which were
some of the departments which really you could see the
split and it wasn't a split, I mean it was
a very large majority of Democrat versus Republican.
Speaker 13 (01:03:25):
Yes, So one of the most interesting trends we found.
We found two interesting trends. The first was the departments
that tend to be the most politically imbalanced are those
that are associated with major federal welfare agencies. So, for example,
Housing in Urban Development, which administers of course Section eight
housing in our nation's public housing programs, is the most imbalanced.
(01:03:47):
Seventy two percent of the senior policy making staff are Democrats,
only fifteen percent Republicans. Then you got Health in Human Services,
which of course Medicaid falls under sixty three percent Democrat
nineteen percent Republican and then even sub agencies, so departments
within agencies. Looking at the Food and Nutrition Services which
administers food stamps under the Department of Agriculture, that had
(01:04:10):
a net Democrat advantage of about fifty seven percentage points.
So those were the most imbalanced agencies with their policymaking staff.
The other trend we found, which was equally interesting and
I think explains the root cause of a lot of this,
is when you look at what's the political makeup of
these staff in the DC metro area versus outside of
(01:04:32):
the DC metro area. So within the DC metro area,
the Democrats have an advantage of about thirty nine percentage points.
But when you look at these tenor if you can
believe that across all agencies, So if you break it
down and look at what about folks who are outside
the DC metro area, it's only about a two percentage
point advantage. So there's this huge divide that is created
(01:04:56):
quite literally by the swamp. It's the political class of
one of the most liberal areas of the country that
is sort of feeding this imbalance in almost every department
in the entire country. And when you separate from that
swamp and look at those workers who are outside of
the DC metro area. It suddenly becomes much more balanced.
Speaker 4 (01:05:17):
Wow, that's amazing.
Speaker 3 (01:05:19):
I don't know if you have all the departments in
front of you in terms of percentages there, but the
Bureau of Land Management. Here in state of Utah, where
sixty six percent of our land is federal land, we
get run around pretty hard by the Bureau of Land Management.
Do you have a percentage for BLM in terms of
Republicans and Democrats?
Speaker 13 (01:05:35):
By a chance, you know, I don't have BLM in
front of me because BLM is actually one of those
sub agencies underneath the I think the Department of Interior.
Now that the Interior Department overall is about fifty three
percent Democrat twenty three percent Republicans, so that's still a
net advantage of about thirty percentage points. But I'm actually
(01:05:56):
glad you brought up Yeah, I'm glad you brought up
Euro of Land Management because one of the things President
Trump did in his first term was he relocated the
headquarters of Bureau of Land Management from d C to Colorado.
And the idea being, yeah, the idea being, maybe the
people overseeing federal lands actually ought to be in close
proximity to those federal lands that's not stuck in the DC. Yeah,
(01:06:21):
and actually was successful. A lot of those bureaucrats quit
rather than relocate, and unfortunately President Biden reversed that move
brought them back to d C. But I think that's
where the solution to a lot of this lies. Right,
Let's get those policymaking bureaucrats out in real America, outside
of the protected political zone of DC and have him
(01:06:44):
live where the rest of us live. You know, we're
talking to moving these agency headquarters to maybe places that
are more politically in line with you and me and
ordinary Americans and less in the hyperpartisan nation capital.
Speaker 4 (01:06:59):
Hayden. That is that That is some amazing work that
you've done.
Speaker 1 (01:07:01):
It really kind of gives the American people an idea
as to what this is all about. Where should they
go if they want more information? Can they go to
your foundation's website? Do they Does it have one in Hayden?
Speaker 13 (01:07:13):
They sure can.
Speaker 5 (01:07:14):
So.
Speaker 13 (01:07:14):
We're the Foundation for Government Accountability. We're a nonprofit organization
that does research like this, and our website is www
dot v FGA dot org and our research papers up
there and We've got a whole lot more research coming
on this and other issues that we're going to be
releasing soon, So go there check it out.
Speaker 1 (01:07:34):
All right, Hayden, thanks for joining us and enjoy the
rest of the evening. Thank you very much on our
news than thank you so much, Hayden du Bloise. He
is the Data and Analytics director for the Foundation for
Government Accountability.
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