The Rod and Greg Show: Restructuring the Dept. of Education; HHS Report on Trans Care; Truth about Bias

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Good good yet, Well, we've had a great show lined
up today. Wor we'll talk about some changes coming to
the Department of Education. We'll talk about a new report
out on gender affirming care. Boy, is this causing a
lot of intra.

Speaker 2 (05:26):
Chemical castration or or yeah, of children or physical.

Speaker 1 (05:29):
And a little bit later on we'll talk tart talk
start talking about bias in the media. Did you know
there was bias in the media. I always thought they
were very clear and objective. I thought that the.

Speaker 2 (05:38):
Regime media is they misled me. Yeah, I think they're
very on brand.

Speaker 1 (05:41):
I'll just leave it all right. Can we start, just
for a minute, the whole Epstein stuff. Yes, we haven't
talked a lot about it because in many in many respects,
I don't care.

Speaker 2 (05:51):
Yeah, it's a it's a it's a very sad topic.
It's been adjudicated as bow as much as it's going
to be, except for the transparency of who might have
been involved, very powerful people. And we've all watched this
Epstein guy look like he got a you know, a
kid glove treatment, which doesn't look just it's not something
we want from our criminal justice system. So there's that.
But I do I do think it's something that Democrats

(06:13):
have used as a lever to try and distract the
trouble away from other issues. But that's not to dismiss uh, this,
this pedophile Ebstein and all the horror, horrible things he did.
I don't confuse my you know, my my commentary to
excuse any of it, because I don't.

Speaker 1 (06:29):
Well, it was I I think you mentioned that this
to me earlier. Greg. Was it Congressman Tim Burchett who
has come up with a new name for Washington, d C. Yes, Yes,
he said it's no longer a swamp. It's because swamps
can be pretty.

Speaker 2 (06:41):
He swampedes. He has a very nice way of saying
how important of an ecosystem swamp.

Speaker 1 (06:47):
Swamp is important. He now described Washington as a sewer. Yes,
and that's what it is.

Speaker 2 (06:53):
That's what he says.

Speaker 1 (06:53):
It. No longer do we call it the swamp. We're
just going to call it the sewer.

Speaker 2 (06:57):
And I thought it was apt and he is. We
got to clip of his we'll share with you later
in the program. He's trying to get her all his
day trading going on amongst members of Congress, and he says,
it just thinks to high Heaven. It's not a swamp
up here, it's a sewer, and we have got to
try and clean it up.

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Yeah, and so we'll talk about that. We've got a
lot to talk to today, to you about and get
your reaction. It's great to be back. It's great to
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Speaker 1 (07:37):
Well, they now call it the Department of Useless.

Speaker 2 (07:40):
Well, who's they? I would be in that club.

Speaker 1 (07:43):
We're talking about the Department of Education. Donald Trump promised
that he would eliminate the Department of Education. With Linda
McMahon as the new secretary, he is headed in that direction.
As a matter of fact, she announced some changes yesterday
about what they're now going to do with the Department.

Speaker 4 (07:59):
Of Useless, what we are doing to take certain programs
that are now part of the Department of Education, and
what we call signing interagency agreements and that is that
we procure the services of other agencies. It's kind of
a bit of a test run. We want to move
on a temporary basis some of those programs to different agencies.

(08:22):
The funding still comes from the Department of Education. The
management of those programs, the oversight of those programs is
still at the Department, but we want to see. What
we think to be true is that they will function
much more in a streamlined fashion and much more efficiently
if we relocate those programs into other agencies.

Speaker 1 (08:45):
Joining us on our Newsmaker line to talk more about
that now is Alfonso Aguilar, Senior director of Government Affairs
at Defending Education. Alfonso, thanks for joining us. Your reaction
to what Linda McMahon announced.

Speaker 3 (08:56):
Yesterday, Well, I think it's extraordinary first step to begin, uh,
reducing the federal federal bureaucracy, bureaucracy on education, and that's
going to empower states to innovate and and serve better
their students.

Speaker 1 (09:15):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (09:15):
They're gonna have more freedom, You're going to have less
uh uh uh the strings from the federal government. They're
gonna have the money.

Speaker 5 (09:25):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (09:25):
Money is going to continue to foll to the states.
But the process is going to be more streamlined, less strings,
more effectively so that states can use that money and
put it in the classroom for the benefit of students.

Speaker 6 (09:39):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (09:40):
It means the federal government being less involved uh or
or creating or with the states creating less obstacles, as
I said, allowing them to have the freedom to to
focus on students.

Speaker 1 (09:54):
UH.

Speaker 3 (09:55):
And so you know, the federal government, UH, the education
is a responsibility of the States. Constitution is very clear,
and this is about reducing that footprint of the federal government.
So what Secretary McMahon announced was six partnerships with four

(10:17):
different federal agencies where different functions of the Department Education
will be transferred to the Department of Labor, Department of State,
Department Interior, HHS and they'll be responsible for administering, managing
those programs. So the idea is to show Congress that

(10:38):
this works. It's kind of like, as the Secretary says,
it's a proof of constant period, to show that we
can do this and that it will be effective. And
once Congress understands that this is indeed effective, we can
the White House can begin working with Congress to pass
legislation to finally dismantle the Department of Education.

Speaker 2 (10:58):
You know, I'm really intrigued by the six offices that
are going to four federal agencies because I do believe
that within the Department of Education you can have a
political agenda that kind of crosses over the different duties
or functions that the Department of Education would do. But
if you take specific services to students and you put
them into a different federal agency that doesn't really have

(11:19):
any politics when it comes to public head, it just
does its job. The theory is you're going to deliver
services in a more efficient way with tainted less by
politics of education, which there seems to be a lot of.
Do you subscribe to that? What chance do you give
this experiment of taking these six offices and putting them
into four separate agencies federal agencies.

Speaker 3 (11:39):
Well, I think really very successful. The Department Education already
has a partnership with the Department of Labor. They have
transferred to Workforce Development portfolio, So now they're transferring the
primary education and secondary education portfolio as well the Department
of Labor as well as the post secondary education to

(12:03):
the Department of Labor. So I think this is going
to be successful. We don't need a Department of Education.
During the shutdown, we saw it became evident to everyone
now we don't need a Department of Education. Schools continuing
to operate. Children were going to school, teachers were being paid,
schools were still receiving federal money. So, you know, the

(12:27):
federal government really doesn't have a major role to play.
The federal government does have a role, but it's limited
and it should you know, it can be very well
administered by different agencies. As you say, if you break
down that federal bureaucracy that you know has shown that
it has a political agenda, and you have different agencies

(12:50):
managing different portfolios, it can more effectively manage those education
activities that funding without imposing any types of idea, cology
or strings, allowing empowering the states to you know, do
what they want to do to properly serve students, to
ensure that they get a quality education. Look, dismantling the

(13:13):
federal de partment education means at the end, better education
for our children in schools. That's what it means. You know,
we've seen every Republican pressident, with the exception of one
or two, since Ronald Reagan said that we're going to
do away with the Department Education. It didn't happen. President
Trump made a commitment and he's following through. Again, this

(13:36):
is an administrative process. We do need legislation because if
we don't pass legislation, a future Democrat administration could rescind
everything and rebuild the Department Education. So, as Secretary McMahon said,
this is a proof of concept to show Congress that
this can work, that different departments of the federal government

(13:56):
can manage different portfolios of the Part Education. And once
they see that, then we can begin introducing legislation. How
long will that proof of constant period last, you know,
givee months, but hopefully we can start seeing some legislation
next year.

Speaker 1 (14:15):
Do you need to go through the process because I've
read some people analyzing this saying it's a little piecemeal.
They wish you would have been more aggressive aggressive. Can
you be more aggressive over Revie? You got to take
these steps off onso first.

Speaker 3 (14:30):
Well, I mean, it's such a massive bureaucracy that you
have to do it right. So doing it this way
on a piecemeal basis makes sense. Doing it first administratively,
you know, they've they've laid off over fifty percent of
the staff of the Department of Education. Some of those
staff has been detailed to the other agency, so they're

(14:52):
doing it very cautiously, doing responsibly so that everything works.
The idea is again to ensure that the federal programs
continuing because they're mandated by law, but that they're provided
in a more effective way, That money is delivered in
a more effective way so that states can use it

(15:18):
better to provide services to students. So again it's not
eliminating the federal role on education. It's right sizing the
role of the federal government. It doesn't have to lead
under our constitutions responsible for education. So it's sending back

(15:39):
education to the states. So states and everybody understands that
it's states who are responsible for education. The federal government
can support, can provide resources, but that's about it. And
the other thing with funding. The funding will continue is
just that it will come from different agencies in a
more streamlined fashion, with less red tave, with less a string,

(16:05):
and again that that will be easier than for states
to use that money to improve education at the case
of twelve level, at the university college level, and in
other areas.

Speaker 1 (16:19):
From the Defending Education Organization, that's all Fondo Aguilar talking
about the upcoming changes with the Department of Education. More
The Rotten Gregg Show Live from making Co tour coming down.

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Speaker 1 (16:40):
Yes, it is.

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Stress.

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Okay, so what what accommodations do you want?

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Speaker 1 (17:21):
Yeah, that's what he said.

Speaker 2 (17:25):
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Speaker 1 (17:25):
I swear all right, there is a new report out
by HHS and AS talking about this effort to hide
this new report on gender affirming care, which basically says
greg gender affirming care is doing absolutely nothing for these kids. Yeah,
you've got organizations spending millions of dollars defending what they're doing.

(17:46):
And joining us on our Newsmaker line to talk about
that right now is Tyler o'man Tyler O'Neill, managing editor
at The Daily Signal. Tyler, thanks for joining us. What
are these agencies doing? First of all, what does the
report say? And then what are these groups doing to
try and not let that information get out? Yeah?

Speaker 7 (18:04):
I think it's always whenever I report on this issue,
I like to put gender affirm and care in quotation
marks because it's a euphemistic label to describe these experimental
medical interventions that are intended to make boys and girls
appear like the opposite sex. And I say appeer because

(18:26):
they can't actually change their sex. And these interventions, you know,
they make their bodies seem like the opposite sex, but
they don't actually really change that. And the main point
of these you know, when when people push this ideology,
they claim that someone can actually change from being male

(18:49):
to being female or vice versa, when in reality that's
not actually what is happening, and what's really happening is
people are mutilating them. Doctors in the name of public
health are mutilating people's bodies to make them appear like
the opposite sex. And this has a tremendous amount of

(19:12):
negative side effects. And we have seen from review after
review after review that the so called positive impacts, usually
billed as psychological improvement for these people, that the psychological
impacts there is no good concrete evidence to prove that

(19:34):
they're real. And what we had here was the HHS
going through all of the evidence saying, look, there isn't
evidence that gender affirming care has any positive outcomes. And
what happened with this report. That report came out in May.
The report that came out today was the result of

(19:54):
HHS going to doctors across the world and going to
some medical associations that support so called gender affirming care
and asking would you peer review our previous research, and
a bunch of these pro trans groups refused to even engage.
There were three major health associations HHS reached out to.

Speaker 3 (20:20):
Two of them.

Speaker 7 (20:20):
Refused to engage at all, and the other one sent
in this short review rather than engaging in a long
term process of going through the report step by step
to prove any errors that could have been made. They
sent a few pages in a document that really suggested

(20:43):
they hadn't read the whole report. Because and this is
the thing that when I was reading through this report,
it really stood out to me that it's the APA,
the American Psychological Association. They listed sixteen studies that they
recommended HHS review and consider, and yet twelve of those

(21:05):
studies had been discussed in the review, three of the
remaining four were irrelevant, and the final study wasn't published
until after the review, which shows that the APA wasn't
even taking the report seriously. But it also shows that
the original HHS report stands up very well to scrutiny,

(21:26):
because you had other medical professionals who actually did engage
with the specific claims and came out saying this was
a really strong report.

Speaker 2 (21:36):
So, Tyler, if we look across the pond at the UK,
I don't think that's a bastion of normalcy right now.
It seems pretty crazy in the UK. But I will
say I believe that the UK government has indefinitely banned
puberty blockers and treatments to minors with gender dysphoria, and
that they're saying that there's a lack of evidence that

(21:57):
shows that there's effectiveness or that it's safe. So for
those that have Trump's arrangement syndrome and think, oh, this
is just a Trump thing, it doesn't what the UK
has already done in this space validate that this is
probably the truth and you better pay attention to it,
that this is really putting kids in harm. In harm's way,
it fades yes.

Speaker 7 (22:18):
And one of the things that this HHS report talked
about was the CAST Review, which is the review that
led Britain to make those decisions talking about, and that
review also found that there was bad evidence, that there
was not good evidence showing that these interventions have positive effects.

(22:40):
And the interesting thing is the American Psychiatric Association mischaracterized
the CAST Review in their response because the CAST Review
had this little line that said for some minors, the
best outcome will be transition. But if you read the
higher Cast Review, you'll see that statement is little more

(23:03):
than a throat clearing exercise, which is saying that we
don't have evidence that every single person who undergoes medical
transition is going to be irreparably harmed by it, because
the cast review is very careful to be scientific, and
so that statement is, you know, protecting them from any

(23:24):
potential like maybe down the line something else gets disproven
and they have heay like for some people this might
be good, but our evidence does not show that it
is good in general, or that we have any confidence
in recommending these interventions to.

Speaker 1 (23:44):
People, Tyler. Doesn't it lead us all to believe we
hear this story, we read your story, we hear about
what's going on. Doesn't it all come down again to
it's all about the money? You know this this has
become very big business in this country, and apparently these
organizations are trying to pet those who are involved in this,
protect them from losing money. Is that what it comes
down to? It sure does appear that way.

Speaker 7 (24:07):
I think there is a very large degree to which
that is true. I try to give the benefit of
the doubt to people who disagree. I mean, I think
there are some very rich people who are getting richer
off of this.

Speaker 1 (24:23):
I do happen to believe though.

Speaker 7 (24:25):
Based on my experience, based on my reporting that there
are a lot of people, even in some medical industry places,
who really do believe this ideology and think that it
is better for people, and they need they need to
really grapple with this evidence. And one of the problems
that you know came out of this report is the

(24:47):
fact that so much of the legacy media and many
organizations on the left are spending all their time demonizing
the messengers. Anybody who says there is a good evidence
for this, the left is saying, oh, that's pseudoscience, that's
hateful rhetoric, that's bigoting, And it's like, no, if you
look at these things, and you know, I have I

(25:11):
feel for people who struggle with gender dysphoria. There are
things about my body that I'm not you know, happy about.
There are things you know, every one of us I
think remembers how difficult puberty was. But none of that
is to say that this ideology, which promises answers to
problems that we experience, is accurate or helpful.

Speaker 1 (25:37):
On our newsmaker line, Tyler O'Neal from The Daily Signal, Well,
stupid is as stupid does This story out of up
at Yellowstone where a guy went out and taunted a
wolfpack and it.

Speaker 2 (25:49):
Was cut Darwinians it, you know the natural selection Darwin
Awards where if you're not if you're that stupid, you
don't really deserve to perpetuate your speed species. It pretty
much should end with you.

Speaker 1 (26:02):
So this videos capture where this guy and he has
like a white scarf or someone walks out into the field.
There's a wolf pack there, about five or six wolves, right,
and he tuns them and they start coming at him.
He still taunts him. Matter of fact, one time he
sprayed bear spray at him. Didn't do any good. Now
we don't know what happened to this guy at the
end because he went down in a ravine. We don't
know if they attacked him or what. But it is that.

(26:24):
But this guy's an idiot.

Speaker 2 (26:25):
But the wolf pack they weren't undaunted. They said they
cared coming towards him. Yeah, that guy deserves it. It's
you know, stupid, is a stupid? Does stupid?

Speaker 1 (26:34):
Does this guy?

Speaker 2 (26:36):
You go?

Speaker 1 (26:36):
What on earth would prompt somebody to go up there
and taunt a wolf pack?

Speaker 2 (26:41):
I went up to Yellowstone as in my twenties. You know, young,
did you try the snowball at at a a buffalo.

Speaker 1 (26:47):
Well, they probably don't care about that.

Speaker 2 (26:48):
Yeah, he can't looked at me. It took a real
long time to look over at me when I was
a snowball. Didn't really care. Trying to keep my distance.

Speaker 1 (26:55):
What is it you go up to Yellstone. People just
want to want they want pictures next to a buffalo.

Speaker 2 (27:00):
El, I'm from the back, not getting too close to
those animals. I kept I kept my distance, all right,
all right, I still hit it with snowball.

Speaker 1 (27:07):
The Democrats are telling our soldiers to ignore orders. Yes,
we'll get into that coming up next. Rod and Gregg
Live and making Cotur and like, you know, you never
should tell me things that happened.

Speaker 2 (27:20):
You know, it is so true. You are such a nark.
Well you are just a nark. You just I know
where you're going right now. And you know I didn't
tell you this to make it a segment topic.

Speaker 1 (27:28):
But it is so you I know. But you know
I'm not making it a topic. It's just you, I.

Speaker 2 (27:33):
Know, but you just you just Yeah, I always learned
my lesson after the fact. I never remember before I
I talked to you.

Speaker 1 (27:41):
Yeah, by the way, we are on the road today
at making Cotur, and I think that for the next
two people that walk in and say they love the
Rod and Greg show, We've got a nice new hat
for him.

Speaker 2 (27:52):
That's right, hat. We got these beautiful Roden Greg hats.
They're white, they're they're just the cats me out there.

Speaker 1 (28:00):
So the next two people were in the late location,
come on in, just say I love Rodd and Greg
and we'll give you a hat or the show.

Speaker 2 (28:06):
Hill love us personally, but she'll love the show.

Speaker 1 (28:08):
But I have to share this story because it is
so you. So you've been debating what for a week
or two about getting a new car.

Speaker 2 (28:16):
I have I needed a new car for a while.
But I love my Cadillac.

Speaker 1 (28:19):
You love your big old cadillact big old black Cadillacy.

Speaker 2 (28:22):
Love it CT six. But they don't make the CT
six anymore. But it's got a little up there in
the miles, getting a little older. Time to get a car.
I'm I'm doing the test drise that you if you
heard the Jerry Cinder commercials. Love advertising with Jerry Cinder Cadillac,
and so I've test driving all their cool cars, you know,
as part of the camp the advertising campaign. And then
that one catches my eye.

Speaker 1 (28:42):
And then I was with you all last week, the
week before, and here should I should not? I don't want
to do this. I don't want to do But then
you decided to go buy one, pull the trigger. You
come in Friday show and you go look at this.
You had your brand new bob.

Speaker 2 (28:56):
Yeah, call like a race car, race car.

Speaker 1 (28:59):
Show me and I said, great, enjoyed. I said, go
out and have a nice weekend. So what happens to
you on Saturday morning? So you haven't had the car
twenty four hours?

Speaker 2 (29:08):
No, No, it was what happened for I got pulled over.
I gotta take it. I gotta yeah, I gotta ticket. Now.
The car is very fast car. It's I don't I
think I was unjustly targeted because it looks like a
fast car. I think it drew the officer's eye. I
was in a construction zone where there's a lot of
chaos going on, folks. There's a lot of cars merging
different ways, lanes were ending, UH signs were conflicting. I

(29:32):
saw the gap. I shot the gap. I shot the
gap era. I shot the gap because I wanted to
be safe. I did safety first. That's my motto. So
I shot the gap, and sure enough I get through
that little chaos and there is five oh waiting for
me on the other side. And I, you know, I'm thinking,
surely I'm not the culprit. Here I saw his lights

(29:53):
come on. I dutifully get to the right lane to
let him buy no it zooming up right behind me.
And so I I hadn't had that car twenty four
hours and I had a ticket.

Speaker 1 (30:03):
But I'm I don't fight.

Speaker 2 (30:05):
I want to. Yes, I am, because I'll tell you this,
there are there are extenuating circumstances, and that there was
a lot of chaost going on that road. There are
a lot of cars, you know, conflicting signs, and I
was again, safety first. I don't want the points. I
don't want the points of my license. I want to
just make my case and say.

Speaker 1 (30:23):
And you're hoping the judge who may or may not
know who you are.

Speaker 2 (30:26):
Well, let's hope they don't. Because I've been really on
the judges lately.

Speaker 1 (30:29):
I have we jump in dirty.

Speaker 2 (30:33):
They might triple, they might this might this judge might
throw me in a clink if I get in front
of them. The way I've been critical, you know, you've.

Speaker 1 (30:39):
Never done the show from jail. Maybe by the way.

Speaker 2 (30:41):
I played your dirty diet, I played.

Speaker 1 (30:43):
Your dirty Diana dirty and.

Speaker 2 (30:45):
No, see there it is, thank you.

Speaker 1 (30:48):
Right, thank you Diana. Who what's your name again?

Speaker 2 (30:50):
It's Diana Gibson and no we go.

Speaker 1 (30:55):
So Gibson is, So you've got a ticket after having
a brand new car less than twenty.

Speaker 2 (30:59):
Four hours, less than twenty four hours.

Speaker 1 (31:01):
Yeah, have you told Queen Bee?

Speaker 2 (31:03):
I've told her. Yes, well, yeah, I told her. Yeah,
I told her.

Speaker 1 (31:07):
Yeah, if you didn't, she's listening now, dead man. All right.
The Democrats, they are so desperate, Greg, they will do
almost I don't know what more they can do to
get Donald Trump.

Speaker 2 (31:22):
No they can't. Well did you hear that? They there's
a judge that wants to renew the his criminal contempt case.

Speaker 1 (31:27):
You're kidding me, No, so no, sooner.

Speaker 2 (31:29):
They release the Epstein files, which they were trying to
say he was trying to hide that Congress passed it,
he signed it into law. So today what happens? And
another judge says, well, we have a criminal contempt charge.
We want to re re reearthed or unearthed and re retry.
So they got that going for him too. They just
they're never going to stop.

Speaker 1 (31:47):
Well, they won't. Well, six Democrats put a video together yesterday,
and we'll play a portion of the video, not the
whole thing. It's a little too long, but basically, they're
telling members of our military greg not to obey orders
if they consider them to be illegal. Yes, refusing illegal orders.

Speaker 2 (32:06):
So this broke yesterday and I saw this and we spoke.
We spoke briefly. I spoke briefly about this on the show.
At the end of the show, we played the It's
a video you can watch, but you can listen to
it as well. It's really disturbing, but it was just
happening in real time yesterday as we were discussing it.
I think it's telling members of the law of military,

(32:31):
members of federal law enforcement and intelligence agencies to break
the law. That's what I think this amounts to.

Speaker 1 (32:38):
So here are the voices you may hear Michigan Democrat
Elite Slutkin, along with Mark Kelly from Arizona, Jason Crow
from Colorado, Christy Hulahan of Pennsylvania, and Maggie Goodlander of
New Hampshire, listen to what they're telling our military to do.
Play that he ray.

Speaker 8 (32:54):
We know you are.

Speaker 7 (32:55):
Under enormous stress and pressure right now.

Speaker 9 (32:57):
Americans trust their military with that trust is at risk.

Speaker 1 (33:00):
This administration is pitting our uniform military.

Speaker 7 (33:04):
And intelligence community professionals.

Speaker 1 (33:05):
Against American citizens like us. You all swore an oath
to protect and defend this constitution. Right now, the threats
to our constitution aren't just coming from a broad but
from right here at home. Our laws are clear.

Speaker 8 (33:18):
You can refuse illegal orders.

Speaker 6 (33:20):
You can refuse illegal orders.

Speaker 1 (33:22):
You must refuse illegal orders.

Speaker 7 (33:25):
No one has to carry out orders that violate the
law or our constitution.

Speaker 8 (33:29):
We know this is hard and that it's a difficult
time to be a public servant.

Speaker 10 (33:32):
But whether you're serving in the CIA.

Speaker 1 (33:34):
The Army, or Navy, the Air Force, your vigilance is critical.

Speaker 7 (33:38):
And know that we have your back.

Speaker 1 (33:42):
Amazing.

Speaker 2 (33:43):
So we had a we had on our talkback call
we had yesterday a member who's either a veteran or
serving in the military that says they are sworn to
uphold the constitution, so if they are given an order
that is illegal or unconstitutional, they aren't supposed to follow it.

Speaker 1 (33:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (33:59):
The challenge with that is the way that Democrats are
interpreting law breaking or something that's unconstitutional as something Trump does, yeah,
or Republicans do. And so it would be if you
look at even the judges and how they're ruling. Sadly,
what a subjective concept of the law or the constitution

(34:19):
that these members of Congress are now telling people it's
okay to break the law, not to follow orders.

Speaker 1 (34:24):
Yeah. Well, CNN Scott Jennings, who's always right on on this,
responded to this last night. That's what he had to
say about this video from these six Democrats.

Speaker 8 (34:33):
This goes to the core argument that Democrats have made
for ten years about Donald Trump. They've never gotten over it.
He is the legitimately elected president of the United States.
He was in twenty sixteen, he was in twenty twenty four.
He is presently the legitimate commander in chief. But you
have this group of Democrats who have tried to treat
him like an illegitimate president every step of the way

(34:55):
for the last decade. This is the latest installment in
this fantasy that Donald Trump isn't actually supposed to be
able to act as the president or the commander in chief.

Speaker 1 (35:06):
It's amazing. I mean, they can't get over it, Greg,
I mean, he is just he just does something to him.

Speaker 2 (35:14):
Look, they tried to keep them off the ballot under insurrection,
and the speech that they would point to where they
said he incited an insurrection is you have to commit
mental gymnastics to try and imagine that that was somehow
a command to commit insurrection. And then you have this
video where they're just outright saying if you're if you

(35:37):
don't think it's legal, or if you don't think it's constitutional,
you you have a right and you have an obligation
not to follow orders. And I mean, I don't know.
I think that's again, not a consistent narrative now is Yeah?

Speaker 1 (35:51):
No, Well, I think one of the issues they're raising,
and Democrats have been talking about this is the US
attacks on the drug boats in Venezuela. Yeah, okay, little
do they know that? What was the numbers? I saw
they're looking at the numbers. Some sixty percent of Americans
favor Trump's policy. I'm going after that.

Speaker 2 (36:11):
Well, let me tell you. Some fishermen drive boats that fast. Okay,
everybody think, where is the fishing spot? They're flying too?
In those boats, in those high speed boats. That is
not a fisherman. Looking the fishers no, they're not. They're
not trolling a line behind them, but that those are
drug boats. You can tell by the video it is.

Speaker 1 (36:27):
All right, Well, we want to get your reaction to it.
Eight eight eight five seven o eight zero one zero
triple eight five seven o eight zero one zero. On
your cell phone dial pound two fifteen, say hey Rod
or leave us a message on the talkback line. All
you do is have to download the iHeartRadio app. Look
for cann or rest and you'll see how you can
do that. We'll get to your calls and comments coming up.
I love outing you. I know your wife. You know

(36:48):
you gotta know.

Speaker 2 (36:49):
I'm being scolded right now.

Speaker 1 (36:51):
You're what you didn't even tell your wife? You got
to speed?

Speaker 11 (36:53):
You know.

Speaker 2 (36:53):
I honestly didn't think I hear from right when you asked,
I was like, did I or didn't I because like
my sister knows, other people know, so.

Speaker 1 (37:00):
I yeah, you're you're a dummy. All right, Let's go
to the phones. We're talking about the Democrats telling the
U the UH military in this country to disobey illegal orders.
Let's go to Will in Salt Lake City. Will, How
are you welcome to the Rodic and Greg Show.

Speaker 12 (37:21):
Hi, I'm I'm fine. Can you hear me?

Speaker 1 (37:23):
We sure can't go ahead? Will yes? Go aheady?

Speaker 12 (37:26):
I was listening about that.

Speaker 1 (37:28):
You know.

Speaker 12 (37:28):
I I am a veteran. I served act to duty
eight and a half years and quite simply, I'm I'm
enraged and insulted by the whole thing because, you know,
especially this this h Kelly guy gets on there and says,
you know, you swore the same oath I did. Well, No,

(37:50):
I did not mine. Mine included a clause where I
swore to follow the orders of the President of the
United States and those a point above me, according to
the Uniform Code of Military Justice and Regulations. Okay, when
I went to boot camp, the first thing, the first
thing they teach you is the difference between a lawful

(38:13):
order and a non lawful order. Actually, the first thing
they teach you is chain of command. Okay, you've got
you've got a problem. Go through the chain of command.
You want to report someone, go through the chain of command.
You know, uh so what you know where they where?
They say that if they think that we're going to disagree,

(38:36):
you know, or not follow orders, because they say so,
they say, they must think they're talking to a bunch
of morons.

Speaker 2 (38:43):
You know, well, I really appreciate your input. I'm not
certain the military. I think you're what you're saying, this
chain of command is exactly right. They're they're skipping over
all of that, and they're just telling independently and individually
members of the military. If you don't agree, you don't
have to do it. It just sounds in sounds really dangerous.
You know.

Speaker 12 (39:03):
The main thing is follow your last order first.

Speaker 1 (39:06):
Yeah, you know, yeah, Well, let me ask this all
all all of these democrats who spoke out against this
have served in the military or intelligence community. Does that
give them any credibility? Don't they know better? Will not?

Speaker 3 (39:20):
To me?

Speaker 12 (39:21):
It doesn't.

Speaker 10 (39:21):
It It makes me, you know, I'd like to I'd
like to, you know, harken back to the Russia INBA
days and say it's it's it's propaganda buy.

Speaker 12 (39:30):
In four morons, but.

Speaker 10 (39:34):
You know it's it's really diabolical.

Speaker 1 (39:39):
It is it is.

Speaker 2 (39:40):
It is.

Speaker 1 (39:40):
Well, thank you, We appreciate it, and I.

Speaker 2 (39:42):
So appreciate his perspective because I mean, again, I I've
never served in the military, but what I'm listening to
sounds it sounds not only is it insane, it sounds
very dangerous that you would that every order would now
be subjective to whether, especially if you listen to the Democrats,
where somehow everything the Republicans want to do, anything that
Trump wants to do, is illegal everything. There's not a

(40:03):
thing that they wouldn't call illegal. What does that do
if you have now members of Congress who are telling
we have your en, we have your back. Yeah, you
don't have to follow any laws and we have your
You don't have to follow any orders if you think
they're illegal or unconstitutional, and we have your back. I
just think that again, under a subjective standard, especially the Democrats,

(40:24):
that is a very scary, uh situation.

Speaker 1 (40:27):
All right, we've got some comments on our talkback line.
Let's listen to one of those if we could.

Speaker 13 (40:30):
He right, Hello, this is Steve from Lighton, Utah. Let's
at Greg Holy. We've got us a joker.

Speaker 12 (40:41):
Hey.

Speaker 13 (40:41):
When I was in the Marine Corps, they stressed all
the time that if you if you think an order
is against the law, that you will not follow it
because if you do, you'll be held legally liable. So
that's something that they teach in the military.

Speaker 1 (40:56):
Having not served in the military, I didn't know that.

Speaker 2 (40:58):
Well way, I want to talk back live yesterday they
said that the talkback caller pointed out with what Steve
just pointed out, he said, but he also followed that
up with we have such there's such a literacy in
our civics in terms of what the constant. No one's
really read the constitution understands that well enough to really
be able to make that determination to not follow an
illegal order. I go. I fall back to what Will said,

(41:22):
and that is follow you the last order first. And
there's a chain of command. And if you feel that
there's a that something you're doing is not legal or constitutional,
there's a chain of command on which you should be
addressing I would imagine that you that's how you would
address it. Otherwise it's anarchy.

Speaker 1 (41:36):
I think all about hating Donald Trump, goes you take
to a vote.

Speaker 2 (41:39):
Does everyone say, collectively, who likes this idea?

Speaker 1 (41:42):
Illegal?

Speaker 2 (41:43):
We got to get deployed. Okay, let's let's ask everyone
how do you feel about that? Do you think that's
legal or not? You think that's a constitutional or not.
I just don't think that's kind of a thing.

Speaker 1 (41:52):
All right. More of your calls and comments coming up
on the run in Greg Joe rebroadcast live from the
Layton location of Mikey Go Dour. Let's go to the phones.
Were talking about the Democrats who are now telling members
of the military to refuse illegal orders. What on earth
are they doing? Back to the phones we go. Let's
hear from Scott and Harriman tonight on the Roden Greg Show. Scott,

(42:13):
how are you? Thanks for waiting?

Speaker 5 (42:16):
Very good. I was served nineteen and a half years
in the military, and every soldier is sworn to defend
the American Constitution against enemies born in domestics. What you
also need to remember that during Barack Obama's term as president,
he removed a lot of general staff from the Pentagon
because they refused to sign that they would attack American

(42:37):
citizens if he ordered it. So this is all depending
on a lot of cases as to which side you're on,
as to which one you'll support.

Speaker 2 (42:46):
So can I ask you a question, Scott, And you're
kind of bringing up my concern. We have judges whose
only job is to interpret whether laws or actions or
constitutional or not that don't agree. How do you serve
in a Milica terry sworn to uphold and defend the Constitution?
Have the Constitution, at least in the error we're living
in now, under great debate under whether something is constitutional

(43:09):
or not, the Supreme Court is having to make decisions
almost continuously. How do service men and women collectively make
that decision about whether the order they've been given is
constitutional or not, Especially when you hear such loud voices
arguing opposite cases of whether something's constitutional or not, it
seems like it seems very problematic.

Speaker 5 (43:32):
It's very simple because each soldier is given with each
action rules of engagement, and those are set by the
commander in chief. So as those rules of engagement are
set out, they're pretty obvious and are sitting there all
the time now, each one of these rules of engagement.
It's just like during Barack Obama, I hated him as

(43:53):
president because during the last part of the go far
he turned around and says, you're not even allowed to
return fire unless you've attempted to take the weapon away
three times, or you're the only one in the crew
that can fire even though the others are not being
fired on, they can't return fire. And that's why I
resign my commission, because no longer could serve under those
rules of engagement.

Speaker 1 (44:15):
Interesting. Wow, interesting, all right, Scott.

Speaker 2 (44:17):
That that is great insight. Scott, thank you for sharing
and thank you for calling. Appreciate it. Let's go to Rick,
who's in Pleasant grow Rick, thank you for holding. Welcome
to the Rod and Gregg Show.

Speaker 11 (44:27):
Hi guys, I'm a veteran of the Marine Corps and
I really liked your last question Greg, because I'm going
to respectfully disagree with the other gay. It might sound
like I'm going against the stream here, but I mean
I'm clearous what the Democrats are trying to do. Yes,
leave it to the Democrats to repeat something that's obvious

(44:51):
every person who's raised their hand to enlist. The words
are to follow lawful orders. Always been that way, and
it's always been ugly. The question you asked is how
does a soldier, a sailor, and airman, a marine that's
got a high school education, if that going to know

(45:12):
what's constitutionally right or wrong? You have to remember what
happened in Vietnam, the Meli massacre. I hope one of
you are old enough. I'm sure remember I.

Speaker 1 (45:25):
Do. Rick, Yeah, I remember that.

Speaker 11 (45:28):
You know you can't just say, well, the lieutenant told
me to do it. If you go to Katrina. The
mayor and the police chief of New Orleans set out
a law that all weapons were to be confiscated, and
all of the National guardsmen that came from including Utah,
came down there. They were told to do that, and

(45:51):
to our good people up here in Utah, one of
our officers stood up and said, we're not going to
do that. So, unfortunately, Greg, it's a messy question. Yeah,
it's worth it, because you're asking an eighteen nineteen twenty
twenty one year old in the sometimes in the heat

(46:11):
of battle and the spur of the moment, to discern
if that has crossed the line. And it's more than
just the military. As a former instructor for secured concealed carry,
you're supposed to assist an officer if he needs help. Well,

(46:36):
if a guy's running at you and the copts behind him,
how do you know if you're supposed to draw you
up and you run the rest of going to jail
if you're wrong. It's a messy business to know what
is right and what is wrong. We unfortunately have to
rely on good people that are well intentioned.

Speaker 1 (46:55):
Yeah, you're yeah, you're right, Ricky. He makes some very
very good points a sticky situation.

Speaker 2 (47:00):
Well, this is I'm going to tell you. When you're
elected office, you swear to and I've sworn in new
members of offs.

Speaker 1 (47:06):
Two to you know, to uphold the constitutions.

Speaker 2 (47:09):
And defend the constitution of this state and of the
United States. So I bet the way it's being parsed today,
the way things are being said as constitutional or an
not or a threat to democracy, this is the political
commentary that if you drag men and women from the
military into that debate or give them some authority, lead
them to believe they have some authority on a more

(47:32):
common or frequent basis, I just think it's trouble.

Speaker 1 (47:35):
Yeah, it can be all right. We've got some comments.
We'll get to those in a minute, plus more of
your phone calls right here on the Rod and Greg
Show and Utah's Talk Radio one oh five nine. Kate
and ask, we have yet another example of Trump derangement syndrome.
Six Democrats are telling members of the US military to
refuse illegal orders, even though they've mostly been told that

(47:57):
throughout their time in the military. What good it does,
who knows. But let's get some comments. Let's go to
our talkback lines and take one of those comments.

Speaker 14 (48:06):
Broad and Greg. In my opinion, this is not an
instruction for the enlisted for the front line. This is
for officers and those in charge of these agencies that
were stocked in there during Biden and Obama, and it's
a dog whistle for them to resist.

Speaker 1 (48:27):
I believe that that's an interesting comment.

Speaker 2 (48:30):
I believe that's the case. I do a good point,
I really do so. I've been thinking more about the
rank and file. But I think that that our Talkback
Live listener who just made that comment, it is it
is meant to resist. It is meant to remember when
in Trump's first term they had the anonymous letter they said,
I'm in the Trump administration. We're resisting, We're the resistance.
I think that's what they're trying to do. And again,

(48:53):
one could argue that's not very constitutional, now, is it.
Someone could say that's not very legal? Is it to
you know, undermine? It could be you could call treason
if you'd like. I just think we're living at a
time right now where we have to be very very
careful with the words we use and the things we say.
And I think this is as cavalier and as dangerous
as you get to say. We've had great callers that
have pointed out this is you. You're you swear to

(49:14):
uphold and defend the constitution of the you know, of
our state, of our of our of our of the
United States. So that's not a new concept, but the
way they're framing it, it is meant to create in subordination,
I believe.

Speaker 1 (49:25):
And I like the comment about the good talking to
the officers who were put in there by Joe Biden company,
of the.

Speaker 2 (49:33):
Mirrors that they set up the deep state, the way
they did to get all that progress. They don't want
to see all that lost.

Speaker 1 (49:38):
All right, let's hear another comment from our TUK back
line Air Force officer veteran here.

Speaker 9 (49:44):
As far as I know, every federal employee swear as
an oath to support and defend the Constitution of the
United States, and so in the Air Force, I know
we're taught that if we receive an order that goes
against the Constitution of the United States, it is our
obligation and duty to not follow that order. But the
problem is that we have so many people that don't
understand the Constitution of the United States, and that's where

(50:06):
we're get in the trouble.

Speaker 1 (50:08):
Yeah, that's a good point, and it's sad because I
think there are a lot of people who do not
understand the constitution of that.

Speaker 2 (50:14):
Well, you know who's helping us they create a confusion
is every Democrat that thinks everything that President Trump does
is unconstitutional or illegal. So if your if your yardstick
is whatever this president says does is unconstitutional, unconstitutional and illegal,
well you could defend your decision to disobey orders by saying, well,
I'll turn on CNN, turn on watch anyway, any watch

(50:37):
the floor of the Senate with Schumer or anyone else.
I did exactly what they said. I you go ahead
and politicize all those people that way, and tell me
how that works. I don't see it.

Speaker 1 (50:46):
Yeah, I neither do.

Speaker 2 (50:48):
I I think it's I think it's trouble. I think
it's very dangerous.

Speaker 1 (50:51):
Marty is in Lehigh tonight wants to weigh in here
on the Rod and Greg Show. Marty, how are you
thanks so much for joining us?

Speaker 6 (50:56):
Go ahead, Well, I just want to just having been
in the military myself for a period of time, I
also realize, and I want those to realize if they're
ordering these people to disobey and order it well, and
and they're discipline for it. Well, if they find out
that the order was a legitimate order and they disobeyed it,

(51:17):
they are up for court martial and they can go
to prison for it. So you have to legitimize that.
If you disobey, that's one thing. If you're arguing that
whether the order is legitimate or not, that's another. But
if you find out it was and you disobeyed it,
you're going to jail and you're being a court martialed marty.

Speaker 2 (51:37):
Best comment I've heard so far on this, Thank you
very much. That makes there's at least there's a consequence
to that that you better take it very seriously because
if you're on the wrong side of it, yep, you
in trouble. Let's have it. Do we have time for
another one?

Speaker 1 (51:50):
Another talkback comment?

Speaker 15 (51:53):
So we all see that Greg is one of those
jerks who in a construction zone waits to the last
minute when everybody's emerging over it, zooms up and cuts
in front of everyone and makes everyone slam on their
brakes when everybody else has already gone over because they
notice the construction zone that you have to get over,
so they do it right away, but not brig he

(52:17):
zoomed up, get right in and cut you off.

Speaker 2 (52:21):
No, I've been represented. That is fake news. You no,
I said, the sign says that the line is ending.
There's an older sign that's like the normal sign says
that the right hand lanes ending. Then you have the
new construction sign says that the left hand lanes ending.
People are confused, and I just went for it. I
ain't cut anybody off. I just went forward because there

(52:42):
was a distance. I didn't have to cut anyone off.
I just get out of that madness.

Speaker 1 (52:46):
I'm very respectful. Are you ready for my one request?
What if, in fact, you get a letter and you're
asked to appear in court? Could I be there?

Speaker 13 (52:55):
No?

Speaker 1 (52:55):
Man, See now I'm worried because how do you do that?

Speaker 2 (53:00):
How that you blabbed?

Speaker 1 (53:01):
Why did you just share that?

Speaker 2 (53:02):
I've been very harsh. You're gonna they're gonna throw me
in jail now when I try to defend this.

Speaker 1 (53:06):
All right, we've got another full hour coming up with
a Rod and Great Show three broadcast live from Make
You a Co Tour here and latently advice you to
come on by. Yeah, it's a big day.

Speaker 2 (53:16):
It is. I mean, that's great coming by Yeah, get
great listener in real time.

Speaker 1 (53:24):
Yeah, we have a great listener here. Yeah, right before
we came in on air wearing the hat, veryd looking hat,
good looking at Yeah, it is, it is so yeah.

Speaker 2 (53:35):
So you know the discussion we were having in that hour,
and I appreciate the perspective of are all the call
all the listeners, whether it's a call or whether it
was a talk back, because again I've not served in
the military, so I don't I don't know, but I mean, look,
there are oaths of office that you you've been sworn
as a as a recovering public servant. I had, I

(53:55):
was sworn in office. I had that same obligation. And
but we were not diving into as that video is.
Telling the people to do anything you think is illegal,
anything you think does not that conflicts with the Constitution,
you don't have to do and shouldn't do. They're making
it sound like it's an every single day what do

(54:15):
you want to do? If you listen to the political
commentary from the from the left, you don't have to
do anything that the Trump's the Trump administration is pursuing.

Speaker 1 (54:25):
Well, one thing, one of our callers in the last
segment was saying, he thinks this message by six Democrats
was directed toward officers who were appointed by Joe Biden
or Barack Obama. That's right, that's where it was directed to.

Speaker 2 (54:39):
Yeah, he thinks it's I think this is your cue
to resist. I love the also the observation that, Okay,
make your decision, make your thoughtful, you know your your
decision of conscience, that you're going to uphold your oath.
But if you're wrong, you can be court martial for
being wrong. And there's some of these issues that are
not so cut and dry. That's what the Supreme Court's

(55:00):
ruling the way they are. You know, imagine this. The
court said that Ice can't enforce federal law. They couldn't
go in there, and then it took the Supreme Court
and say no, they can't. So if you were riding
on the I'm not going to follow orders because you know,
a lowercase judge said that's not legal. By the time
it got to the Supreme Court, it was termed determined
that it was, and it had been always. This is

(55:22):
just a unique moment in time where things other administrations
have done that Nobody ever blinked at I mean Obama
was Actually he deported a lot of people in his
eight years, honestly did and nobody ever they can call
it a rocket docket. He would have him. He had
ways of getting you into a court and out and
deported very quickly in a minute. Nobody ever said a word.

(55:42):
But it's a it's a selective.

Speaker 1 (55:44):
Now they do, now they do. Well, let's talk about
the media, one of our facs. We're in it, yes,
if you know that, we're in the media. But over
the over the last couple of years, there have been
some changes. Jeff Bezos buying the Washington Post, trying to
turn that thing around. A lot of the editorialists, the
columnists have left there. Barry Weiss now taking over CBS News,

(56:06):
So she's trying to bring it to some respectability. I
don't know if it has any anymore. But is that
going to work? My guess probably not. Joining us on
our Newsmaker line is John Tillman, John and CEO of
the American Culture Project. He wrote about this and he said,
the media just has to tell the truth. John, when
is the media or why are they reluctant to just
stand up and say Yep, we're liberal, No, we're conservative

(56:29):
or whatever. Why are they so reluctant to do so.

Speaker 10 (56:31):
John, Well, they don't want to come out and tell
you that because it's harder than to propagandize people, because
the vast majority of the Americans don't want to be
lied to. They want to know the truth. And the
reason the media's approval rating is down round eight percent
is because most of the American people are onto the
fact that a lot of the people in the legacy
corporate media hide their bias and try to pretend they're

(56:54):
neutral observers who are truth tellers. And the reason they
want to keep that hidden is because it's easier to
persuade people to a point of view the otherwise would
not hold.

Speaker 2 (57:03):
You know, it's been said for a long long time
that the media was left of it was biased, it
was left of center. But I think when social media
became all the rage, I don't know from after two
thousand and eight, it looked like journalists didn't hide a clear,
clear preference politically, that they did affiliate with one side
versus the other. And so I don't even think it's
a secret anymore. If you look at some of the

(57:25):
commentary going on, you know, the journalist's private commentary. So
given that, why don't they just inherently have reputations or
do they do? We just know that CNN and MSNBC
are just completely liberal and Fox is conservative. And do
they even have to tell us anymore?

Speaker 10 (57:41):
No, they do have to tell us because part of
the problem is they've hit met for the other. The
legacy of the twentieth century is the concept of objective journalism.
It never existed before the twentieth century and the early
part of the twentieth century. In the late eighteen hundreds
and prior to that, there was this idea of objectivity
would have been completely alien to everyone. Newspaper were associated
with political parties. They're often associated with particular politicians, and

(58:05):
everybody knew that it was completely transparent about what a
given publication what their point of view was. And then
Adolph Ox, when he bought The New York Times in
eighteen ninety six order to compete with his larger competitors
on by Pulitzer and the Hearst, decided to come up
with this idea of all the news that stick to print.
That's my paraphrasing of what he said. But he wanted
to kind of clean up yellow journalism, and that's how

(58:27):
the concept of the objectivity and truth telling started, and
that became the norm of the twentieth century, which worked
really well because it left about fifty two one hundred
elite news media executives, mostly men, in charge of what
was newsworthy, how to control the distribution of that news,
and how the content was shaped in order to inform
the American people. All of that broke down in the

(58:47):
early two thousands because of the Internet and the full
naturation of cable, and so we are in this process
now where the legacy media wants to hold on to
that position because it gives them power to control narrative.
So they're not going to give it up these.

Speaker 1 (59:00):
Yeah, John, From what I've seen most surveys over the years,
surveys of various newsrooms around the country, be it on
a national basis or a local base, to show that
most of the journalists there tend to be liberal. Why
aren't more conservatives hired in a newsroom.

Speaker 10 (59:16):
It's the same exact phenomena that happens on college campuses
that people that have hiring authority want to hire people
like them. They want to hire people that have their worldview.
And there's two kinds of people in the newsrooms or
college campuses for that matter. There's the people that are
overtly and are self aware of their own point of
view and they want to perpetuate it, and so they

(59:36):
hire people who will help them do that. Then there
are those who actually think they're neutral, but their world
is surround They're surrounded in their world in a bubble
with people who they all went to the Ivy's, they
all went to the top non Ivy league schools. They
all come out of the same types of places, even
if they weren't born the same place. They're all inclocated
in an academic environment of liberalism, and so they think

(59:57):
that is the norm, and that is one of the
re and is that uh, so many people were surprised
when Trump won because they are not exposed to regular
working Americans all over the country in the Red County America.
And so they hire they keep hiring the same kind
of people because they think that is perfectly normal and rational.
And when they meet people who are a conservative, they
think that we conservatives, our little dingbatty, we're not quite normal.

(01:00:20):
And it's a little scary. So this is we like,
we like trucks and shown saws done, and we like
to dig holes and plant trees and.

Speaker 2 (01:00:31):
Oh no, that sounds like normal. See, I don't even
know what they're all worried about. You can lower those eyebrows,
you know.

Speaker 10 (01:00:37):
I'll tell you what if you want to. You want
to know? All these newsrooms and said, can you tell
me what a sauzle is? You're going to get about
zero people would know what a salz is. You and
your listeners know what is. And yeah, you got to
respect the saws or it'll use you.

Speaker 2 (01:00:51):
Now I'm going to digress. Do we actually need anything
but a sauls On isn't that? Doesn't that fix everything? Honestly,
I like it does.

Speaker 10 (01:00:58):
I'm telling you a role of and as you're good to.

Speaker 2 (01:01:01):
Go one hundred percent. So here's the Here is the
part I don't understand. You point out that eight only
eight percent of Americans have a strong trust in the media. Uh,
And and I see that, you know, the readership of
newspapers or however people look at pai news now, Uh,
viewership at night it's all going down. But I swear
they can parachute in an Epstein, an Epstein narrative to

(01:01:24):
interrupt to what otherwise is going on, or it feels
like narratives can come in from the media, they can
really capture the attention of the American people. They still
seem in other words, they still seem effective to me
at actually shaping the national narrative. Why and how.

Speaker 10 (01:01:39):
This is This is precisely why I started with media Pedia,
is because I want to create a place where people
can go and sort out how those narratives start and
who are the biased reporters starting them. Essentially, what happens
is the left has a powerful somewhat hidden but it's
the DNC, it's the Center for American Progress, the liberal institutions,
it's the sol's funded groups. They have a cabal of

(01:02:01):
intellectuals on the left of the union leaders and so forth,
and they decide what the narrative of the day is.
You might have noticed that during the Biden administration, when
inflation is running out of control, nobody talked about quote
quote affordability. And now everyone in the media is talking
about affordability or of course the Epstein files, as you're
now talking about it, and nobody talked about the Epstein
files during Biden when he had the authority to release them.

(01:02:23):
So what they do is the talking points go out
to all the left wing supposedly objective journalists at the
New York Times, the Washington Post, the Chicago Tributing, the
San Francisco Chronicle and LA Times and all the rest.
They go out to MSNBC and all the cable channels
and the hosts and the producers and the editors, and
they have a framing, and then they all take up
that framing and perpetuate it on social media and through

(01:02:44):
their news platforms, and it's very effective. Now it's not
as effective as it used to be. The right, which
is very transparent about its point of view and media
and that's why it's not a problem because the conservative
media is completely transparent about it and very open about
their point of view, and they are now able to
dent and stop and often break down those those narratives.
So it's not as easy as it once was, and

(01:03:05):
we're in a battle for the commanding heights of the
American news narrative. But they still are very powerful, and
that's why we started media pbias to try to try
to expose who they are and let their reader decide
who they want to read and what point of view
they want.

Speaker 12 (01:03:17):
To get.

Speaker 1 (01:03:21):
On our newsmaker line. John Tillman, CEO of American Culture Project,
here on the Running Great Show talking about bias in
the media. We'll have more to say on that when
we come back Press. I'm citizen in Hughes and I'm
brought Arkuett. We'll be back on the road tomorrow. We're
going to be in Utah County and we are road warriors.
We have been to Utah County for a long time.
I think they kicked us out.

Speaker 2 (01:03:40):
No, yeah, I got to be careful when I drive there.

Speaker 1 (01:03:45):
With your recent record, I would be.

Speaker 2 (01:03:48):
Yeah again, I was unjustly targeted.

Speaker 1 (01:03:50):
I think we should request an appearance before Judge Diana.

Speaker 2 (01:03:55):
Heavens. No, I will get there. I'll get life in
prison from her. She if she was aware of my
opinion of the judiciary, the judicial branch in the state
of you, tell her and every other judge the fix
is in. I'm doomed because of you two. You had
to bring this up on the show. Well, it was
not for public consumption, and you made it that you

(01:04:16):
didn't ask.

Speaker 1 (01:04:16):
You need to learn to say to me off the record,
and you didn't say that.

Speaker 2 (01:04:22):
You know, you should be able to be a human
being and just be able to tell you a story
without you telling it.

Speaker 1 (01:04:27):
I know, I know it, all right. A couple of
economic notes Greg for this Wednesday evening. American households are
you know they're struggling? Cost of living? Greg is up right.
According to data from Feeding America, which is an urban institute,
it's a liberal group, So tell you for what it is,
the average American family now shells out one thousand dollars

(01:04:48):
on groceries thanks to inflation.

Speaker 2 (01:04:51):
Yeah. Now, look, here's the thing. When you're when we're
looking for cost prices to go down, understand that inflation.
If inflation is two and a half percent, and it
was nine percent at one point with Biden, inflation has
not gone down. You gained nine pounds in weight, You're
gained another two and a half pounds if inflation is
two and a half pounds. So if you use it,

(01:05:12):
if you think about inflation like weight, you're not actually
decreasing anything. You're just growing slower, is what inflation is.
When you hear what that inflation rate is, So how
do you climb out of inflation rates of nine percent,
five percent, six percent, yeah, two percent, three percent does
it two and a half percent slows down the growth

(01:05:32):
of inflation. But you've got there's a lot of work
to do. Ron Reagan had the same task in front
of him when he took over after Jimmy Carter's four years.
This isn't going to turn on a dime. But I
do believe we're seeing I mean, the President just announced
this week one point nine new jobs for Americans and
not government jobs, private sector jobs. These are things we

(01:05:55):
were not seeing in the Biden administration. We were seeing
people from that were coming across it even illegally, even
the H one B one visas as in terms of employment,
and then we were seeing, you know, the cost go up.
So I think I think had a lot of government jobs.
So I think that things are improving. But I think
that the President's never going to tell you you're not feeling it.

(01:06:17):
He understands that affordability is still a problem.

Speaker 1 (01:06:19):
My question is, Greg, My question to you would be,
do the American people have the patience that it's going
to require to be able to get this thing turned around, Because,
as you know, many people have said, so I'm on
this show it took Reagan two or three years. I mean,
you know, you know what I mean. When he won
in eighty four, the economy was really starting to cook,

(01:06:41):
but it took him four years to get it there.

Speaker 2 (01:06:43):
Yep. So I would say history says that if we
don't see that, if people still are suffering with affordability,
that the Demo the Republicans could could lose big time
in the midterms. What doesn't make sense about that is
if you don't want the Republicans, you want the people
that brought you the nine percent interest, the people that
were shutting down energy and energy. I mean, it's almost

(01:07:06):
to cut your nose off despite your face. If if
we haven't turned it around yet, you go to the
people that turned it the wrong direction in the first place.
Isn't isn't the best place to turn.

Speaker 1 (01:07:16):
And what solutions have they offered? Have you heard anything
ever coming from the Democrats of here is our economic
plan other than we're going to text.

Speaker 2 (01:07:24):
The russ They're a one trick pony. It is just
rip on Republicans, rip on Trump. They just know how
to criticize, tear down. I can think of nothing that
they have built or created or empowered and the American
people got out of their way got less government. We
had a fascinating discussion yesterday with one of the people

(01:07:44):
we interviewed. He said that when you talk about affordable affordability,
the first place that Democrats go with subsidies. Yeah, what,
your groceries are too much? Try to snap. Yeah, you know,
health care has cost too much. Let's just pour more
money into into socialized medicine. They're not talking about a
job that pays better, less taxes, you know, on shoring jobs,

(01:08:06):
so we have more jobs, an opportunity here in America
that they never go there. They go to the government
needs to spend more money to make your life more affordable,
which it doesn't do. It doesn't, It doesn't play out
that way.

Speaker 1 (01:08:17):
Well, it goes back to what Mam Donnie said on
the night he was elected the mayor of New York.
You may not or you may remember this, in which
he said, there is no problem too big or too
small for the government to solve.

Speaker 2 (01:08:29):
Yep, that's what they think government is the answer, and
we know that it's simply not.

Speaker 1 (01:08:34):
I mean, look, and I think we're gonna be talking
about this tomorrow. Greg. The recommendations that the Agriculture Secretary
has suggested now for the staff program, the abuse in
that program is unbelievable, and they're going to require everyone reapply.
And you know that because I mean, if there's one
thing that angers Americans, and I think Americans are very generous,

(01:08:58):
very caring, very fair minded. But when Americans are being
taken advantage of the way we are right now in
so many programs that the Democrats have pushed for, that's
when the American people go enough.

Speaker 2 (01:09:09):
Well, I'll tell you what this ought to scare you.
If there's only twenty nine states that complied with the
US Department of Agriculture in terms of giving all the
information about how they distribute out their food stamps to
their states, twenty one states or what. Yeah, twenty one
states are not planning that. And so I think for
all the waste fraud abuse, we don't know California is

(01:09:32):
they didn't. They didn't comply with this, Illinois didn't. Can
you imagine those New York didn't. Can you imagine the
waste the fraud in those states who refused to hand
over that information. It's even worse than what we're hearing.

Speaker 1 (01:09:46):
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half hour coming your way of the Rod and Greg Show,
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Speaker 1 (01:10:33):
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Say Rod's a nark.

Speaker 1 (01:10:37):
How about that one?

Speaker 2 (01:10:38):
We should say that is a promo code. Because you
totally are you busted me. I share all our listeners
and my wife, I can't believe you told that story.
I don't want to talk.

Speaker 13 (01:10:47):
I can't.

Speaker 2 (01:10:47):
I don't even know why I brought it up.

Speaker 1 (01:10:48):
I can't believe you. I can't believe you haven't told
your wife.

Speaker 2 (01:10:50):
I didn't remember.

Speaker 1 (01:10:51):
I thought, I did you forget to tell your wife?
And I got a beating ticket.

Speaker 2 (01:10:55):
Well, I wasn't bragging about it, I tell you, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:10:57):
But you walk, you'd walk in the r Shucks, she sat.

Speaker 2 (01:11:02):
Greg, I was on my way to my niece's basketball game,
so I it was a little time had passed, so
I wasn't as agitated.

Speaker 1 (01:11:09):
If you aren't aware of this, he bought a brand
new car last Friday, picked it up at one o'clock.
By Saturday morning at ten, he had a ticket.

Speaker 2 (01:11:19):
Yeah, yeah, it was.

Speaker 1 (01:11:21):
I was proud of it.

Speaker 2 (01:11:21):
No, I'm not proud. It was a speed trap. I was.
It was extenuating circumstances, and I.

Speaker 1 (01:11:28):
Was targeted, Yes, where.

Speaker 2 (01:11:29):
My car was because it looked past all right.

Speaker 1 (01:11:31):
You want to talk about education. Earlier in the show,
we talked about education and what Linda Ming banned under
the direction of the President, is doing to kind of
dismantle the Education Department, which Greg and I fully support.
We think it is it's been called the Department of useless,
which I think it is. Uh and they're giving control
back to the states the way it should.

Speaker 2 (01:11:51):
Be yes, And in the first hour we had a
great discussion with with the Alfonso Aguilar, who is Senior
Director of Government Affairs for Defending Education, talking about how
we have what seven departments or agencies within the Department
of Education that those jobs can be done, and it's
already being done to some extent in other federal departments.
So they're going to do this, They're gonna it's kind

(01:12:12):
of a instead of just taking a hatchet to it,
it's kind of a softer landing to really kind of
spread those duties out, other words, so that the funding
doesn't go away. But the people that already do the
agencies already do this, they need to do it more.
And so we had that good discussion. But I thought
it paired well with the news that I saw today,
and that is that the United States, somehow, with all

(01:12:34):
the money that the Department of Education is spent and
all that we as much as we talk about public education,
the US has managed to set students back, not forward, but.

Speaker 1 (01:12:43):
Back really surprise.

Speaker 2 (01:12:46):
Fifty years folks, in terms of test scores. Tell our
students are coming out with test scores that we haven't
seen as low as they are right now in the
last fifty years. That is an accomplishment only rival by
the Taliban's takeover of Afghanistan. Literally, I mean, do you
hear what? You hear? This?

Speaker 11 (01:13:05):
So?

Speaker 2 (01:13:05):
And what they did is they created the new curriculum.
And where this study was focused was on math and
how students coming into you see San Diego were they
ready for college math. They weren't just not ready for
college math. They weren't even at high school math. They
are now creating curriculum and the you see San Diego
that is elementary and I'm not kidding elementary and middle

(01:13:28):
school curriculum for math. And why is that sixty percent
of the students who took the previous course of the
version of the course couldn't divide a fraction by two.
One of the course's tutors noted that the students faced
more issues with the logical thinking than the math per se.
They didn't know how to do how to solve math

(01:13:48):
through the word problems. This is common core math. This
is when my kids were young, and as soon as
they sat down you separated parents that if you were
lucky enough to have parents that would sit down to
the kitchen table with you and do homework you separated
all as parents because we didn't know what in the
world you're talking about this discovery math, this you know,
this comical. It made no sense. Parents didn't didn't know

(01:14:09):
how to do it. I still don't know anything about it. Well,
the test scores are showing now ten years of this,
we're more, we're down to elementary level and middle school
level math for entering freshmen into into college. It is
a disaster. It's an absolute test. You don't get those
learning years back. So I think that if there isn't

(01:14:29):
a if we haven't made a strong enough case why
the Department of Education is really not pulling its weight,
or why why it deserves not existing any longer, that
what we're seeing by way of no proficiency in math
at all, and I'd argue probably science as well. That
is that is an indictment of the entire Department of Education.

Speaker 1 (01:14:49):
Well, it isn't common core, And I know there was
a real battle over it here in the state soveral
years ago. Wasn't it trying to teach kids that two
plus two does in fact equal five? Yeah, there's a lot.
I mean you'd come home and go, how do you
get at five? And they couldn't explain it.

Speaker 2 (01:15:09):
Yeah, it was, well, there were I read a bill
and I think it got vetoed, and then we I
think we ever wrote it, but we I wanted the
Office of Education to have an open line complaint line
for parents where the state Office of Education and the
state duly elected state school board members could see the
volume of parents that were so frustrated and really isolated

(01:15:29):
away from their kids and helping them with their homework.
I mean again, I'd say if you look at a
snapshot of kids in America, most kids don't have the
luxury of having a parent that sits down and does
homework with them at night, if you're lucky enough to
have that. But now you create a curriculum that they
don't know up from down because we've never seen such things.
And then what are they doing right now? You know,
by the way, do you know how the universities are

(01:15:50):
handling this. They're going back old school, They're going back
to the way you'll actually do learn mass. They're going
to that. So we have all these years where we
treat these kids like you know, lab rats, with this
type of new curriculum that has not produced any proficiency all.
In fact, that's gone back fifty years of progress.

Speaker 1 (01:16:09):
Yeah. Well, I love what the President and Lenda mcmahonor
trying to do. I think there'll be an adjustment period
Greg for a little while. But give I have said
for a long time, Greg, you give Utah the money
it spends on education, give it directly to the state.
We have very smart parents, we have very smart legislators,
we have very smart administrators. They could come up with

(01:16:31):
a plan that will really elevate Utah to an even
higher level. I think we're pretty high now. We have
a well educated, well educated young population. We did They've
been taught to work. And let me tell you what.
You give them the tools they need.

Speaker 2 (01:16:46):
Look Out, I'm gonna tell you this isn't just a
Democrat problem that's been imposed on us. I would say
that No Child Left Behind started by George W. Bush.
It was imposing mandates on our public schools in rural Utah,
especially that they just they didn't have the educators to
even satisfy the federal law. It was. It was a
one size fits all approach that that does not take
into consideration Utah's unique demographic or other things. But to

(01:17:10):
your point, we certainly have school districts in a state
school Office of Education and school board. They can handle
the delivery of education in our in our state. They
know our state. They don't know it in Washington, but
we know it in our school districts here. So uh yeah.
I think there's a lot, a lot of change that
needs to happen here, and I think that these grades
coming out. This is what the Democrats say. There's you

(01:17:33):
get illegal immigration because there's jobs that Americans are too
good to do, which I refuse to believe that premise.
But then all the H one B one visas are
because there's skilled jobs that were not smart enough to
do and you can't have. You can't say where does
that leave everyone? You won't do this job and you're
not smart enough to do the other one. No, that
doesn't work. No, it doesn't make you cotur winding up,
just winding up here again. I'm gonna as soon as

(01:17:55):
the show's over, get start shopping.

Speaker 1 (01:18:00):
As per your list. Yeah, everybody's writing you saying hey
while you're up there.

Speaker 2 (01:18:06):
Yeah, I never hear I get a lot more text
when we're making it to It's amazing, you know, it's weird.
Imagine that surprise surprise.

Speaker 1 (01:18:14):
A couple of stories we missed today. Greg, I want
to share with you. I don't recall this story, but
you know my memory is going. You probably have a
better one. Uh. An Alaska Airline pilot who tried to
cut off the plane's engine in mid flight, almost killing
eighty five people, has received a light jail sentence. Do
you remember hearing that story?

Speaker 2 (01:18:33):
I actually don't. I don't remember that story at all.

Speaker 1 (01:18:35):
That's a wild story.

Speaker 2 (01:18:36):
That's a terrible story, terrifying.

Speaker 1 (01:18:38):
Joseph Emerson was sentenced to time served in three years
of supervised release. Emerson had attempted to shut down a
Commercial Flights engine mid flight in twenty twenty three as
an off duty pilot in the jump seat of the cockpit,
well en route to San Francisco. I don't remember that story.

Speaker 2 (01:18:54):
I don't. That's a terrifying story.

Speaker 1 (01:18:56):
Yeah, that dude, as.

Speaker 2 (01:18:58):
Your worst nightmare. I mean, I don't. I don't have
any fear of flying, but but that was, you know,
just to even think of something like that could be possible.

Speaker 1 (01:19:09):
I told you it was about a month ago when
we were in New York. We came back. We were
the speed at landing. We had a tailwind is really
pushing us. The pilot herd didn't even touch down, got
about five feet up away from touching down, and we
took off again. And remember I told you that's or anyone. Okay,
there's a pilot gun cuckoo for cocoa puff where we are.

Speaker 2 (01:19:30):
So that would be concerning. I would feel I would
feel pensive.

Speaker 1 (01:19:34):
And by the way, for all you pickleball fans.

Speaker 2 (01:19:36):
Out there, this is your sport. You gave up golf, you're.

Speaker 1 (01:19:39):
Ready for this. A town in California is trying to
permanently ban pick a ball.

Speaker 2 (01:19:44):
Oh they're whoever whoever's elected in that town. They're dead politicians,
walking man.

Speaker 1 (01:19:50):
Everybody loves cal Carmel, California. It wasn't Clint Eastwood, mayor
there at Carmel. I think he was telling us. Yeah,
apparently the pickle ball the outdoor courts are too noisy,
and residents of a certain neighborhood are trying to get
it banned. I don't know. I don't think it's that noisy,
but I play it.

Speaker 2 (01:20:08):
So yeah. I thought I thought, I thought all you
boomers love pickle ball. I thought you were all into it.

Speaker 1 (01:20:14):
Well we are. We're trying to remain young.

Speaker 2 (01:20:16):
Yeah, that's why I'm surprised that Carmel would ban it.
I think they would be all in.

Speaker 1 (01:20:22):
Yeah, well they're they're saying it's too no, and that's
the come. I played once with a ball that like
is a soft foam ball. You didn't hear a thing,
and it felt like a real ball.

Speaker 2 (01:20:33):
It's weird that done.

Speaker 1 (01:20:36):
That doesn't for us. Tonight, head up, shoulders back. May
God bless you and your family, this great country of ours.
We're back tomorrow at four. Have a good evening.

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