The Rod and Greg Show: Senator Mike Lee and Congressman Mike Kennedy

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I'm telling you these off year elections, you know, sometimes
people don't put as much attention to them, but municipal
elections are important. And then nationally, Virginia does it a
little differently. They have their big gubernatorial race and attorney
general race on those off years. So it's one of
the big states that have their major statewide races in
an off year. That one's happening today. And then you've
got in New Jersey as well, that gubernatorial race. But

(00:22):
then you've got the race for mayor in New York City.
And again a lot of people are spending a lot
of time talking about the socialism and in the positions
that Mom, Donnie or Zoolander holds, I almost think they're
beside the point. I don't think that's the appeal of
this candidate at all. And I think we'll get into
that in the show about where why is this guy

(00:44):
who's a member of assemblyman, who really so hit what
he has said and what he hasn't done in public service,
shouldn't put him in a state that's a one party
so strong for Democrats put him where he's at. But
here he is, and I think there's a I think
there's an explanation.

Speaker 2 (00:58):
For it, Well, the polls will close back east or
open until nine pm. That's seven pm our time, but
there may be a few races that come in earlier,
and we'll have the updates for you throughout the show
today as we get any of those numbers. We've got
a lot to get to. Greg. We're on to talk about,
you know, the Democrat thrill from Donnie, what is it
all about? We'll get into that. We have two Mikes

(01:21):
joining us, Mike Kennedy. Congressman Kennedy will join us a
little bit later on this alf hour. He had a
great some thinking about you know, we're talking about the shutdown,
but there is a much bigger financial issue facing this
country today and Congressman Kennedy will get into that. We'll
talk to Utah Senator Mike Lee about the shutdown as well,

(01:41):
and we'll talk about what the Heritage Foundation is doing
to give you a better understanding of our very important
historic sites around the country that you aren't misled, yes,
which I which you were.

Speaker 1 (01:54):
There was a herculting attempt to confuse the Hughes family
at the Smithsonian Museums in DC this last and we
staved them off. I called them out, much to my
kid's chagrin, as I said it loudly, this is not true,
This isn't real. But yeah, so any foundation is paying
attention to those things as well.

Speaker 2 (02:11):
Yeah, so we've got a lot to get to today.
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(02:31):
how you can leave us a message. All right, Greg,
Day thirty five of the record setting shutdown. Now, there
are theories is to when it may end. A lot
of people thought maybe it would end sometime next you know,
maybe last week. People are speculating today it could end
after the elections. Today. There are reports out there, Greg

(02:53):
that a group of moderate Democrats. The Hill is reporting
this today that a group of about eight moderate senators
have been meeting trying to find an off ramp for
the Democratic Party.

Speaker 1 (03:05):
We'll see, yeah, and you know the issue I have
with that, and we'll have to see how it plays out.
Is that the off ramp is to vote for the
continued resolution. There's no version, there's no variation of that,
because if you get into the variations, then you're into
negotiations with terrorists who've held this country hostage. And once
you do that, you'll be doing that from here on forward.
They're not going to ever stop doing that. It would

(03:27):
yield too much power, wield too much power for them
never to not revisit it. If you give it, give
in to it now. So I think public the Republicans
are are in the right. They cannot do it now.
We'll see as things get tougher. I mean, the media
is very skilled at making this always the Republican's fault.
I think the American people can smell this for what
it is. But again, elections don't matter. Being popular doesn't matter.

(03:52):
This is a moment where you cannot This is way
over the top. This hasn't been done this way before.
There's a reason why you haven't had the government shut
down this long before. And the demands of the Democrats
are so irrational that they can't they can't give in.
I don't they They better not do it out of fear.
They better not do it, because we have to be
the adults in the room and go ahead and give
them what they want so we can get you your

(04:13):
lives back. No, if they do that, they're going to
get more of this this madness, and it won't it won't.
It won't be good for this country.

Speaker 2 (04:20):
Well, one of the biggest concerns right now greg gets
air travel. And I'm thinking, folks, if you have trips
planned for next week, I'd start thinking about it. I
really would get the insurance. Yeah, get the insurance whatever.
Because there was a story yesterday a three hour wait
for security checks at the TSA checkpoint down on Houston.
You've had a number of flights delayed, and what happens

(04:43):
we don't know. But List of Transportation Secretary Sean Duffy
today talking about the air traffic controllers and what's facing
them and the rest of a flying America.

Speaker 3 (04:53):
The control has got ninety percent of one payment, eighty
to ninety percent of one payment. They missed the second paycheck.
On Thursday, they get an email payste out that'll show
what their next payment is going to be. So this
Thursday they'll get an email that shows that their paste
ub is a big, fat zero. Many of the controllers said,
a lot of us can navigate missing one paycheck, not everybody,

(05:15):
but a lot of us can. None of us can
manage missing two paychecks. So if you bring us to
a week from today, Democrats, you will see mass chaos.
You will see mass flight delays, you'll see mass cancelations,
and you may see us close certain parts of the
airspace because we just cannot manage it because we don't

(05:36):
have the air traffic controllers.

Speaker 2 (05:37):
Yeah, how do you fly if haven't got air traffic controllers?

Speaker 4 (05:40):
You don't?

Speaker 2 (05:40):
You don't. I mean, they're they're putting the American people.
The Democrats are in a very dangerous situation. I mean,
if they have to shut down some of the some
of the air roots in this country, Greg, just think
the chaos that's going to create.

Speaker 1 (05:54):
There's an economic detriment too. I mean, it is going
to harm this economy. It may be, you know, in
addition to the Democrats having nothing really to stand on
and trying to preserve a broken Obamacare that actually is
so embedded, whether it's the healthcare delivery to illegal immigrants
or the snap benefits and some of the abuses that
we're starting to understand that the magnitude of that the

(06:16):
Democrats are really falling on the sword for at the
expense of everyday Americans. Maybe they want to shut this
economy down and harm the economy so that Trump doesn't
have that victory too. Maybe it's they think that no
one's going to know what their hand was involved in
this then say, oh, look the economy's not very good. Well,
pretty hard to have an economy if your airline is
shut down and your airspace is unable to be flown

(06:39):
in et cetera.

Speaker 2 (06:42):
I just think if they push it and they continue
pushing it, Greg, and you and I have seculated about
possibly into Thanksgiving, the Thanksgiving holiday, I fear the American
people will turn their attention to Donald Trump and blame
Republicans if it goes on any longer.

Speaker 4 (06:57):
And they might.

Speaker 1 (06:58):
And I worry about that too, because the Demo, the republic,
the Democrats, and the regime media. This is their wheelhouse.
That's all they know how to do. They don't really
build things. They don't great things. They don't they don't
make it. They don't build a good economy. They don't
promote personal liberties, individual liberties. They blame, they tear down,
they destroy, and so that is all they have is
that everything is Trump's fault. So they're going to try

(07:20):
and the media will assist them as best they can
in making that case. But I hope that the American
people are going to see through this because we're in
a point now where I think that our members of
Congress have been painted into a corner that if they
were to give into this now, especially with the amount
of days that we've had to endure this up till now,
if they gave in now, you're going to get this

(07:40):
more and just think you got Christmas. That's always when
they can put so much more pork in, so much
more deficit spending, and so much again irresponsible spending into
the budget because everyone wants to go home for Christmas.
So I think I don't care how well the Democrats
sell it and how the people think it's the Republicans fault.

(08:00):
I think on principle, they cannot give into this, nont.

Speaker 2 (08:04):
No, they cannot well talk about being shut down. David Hogg,
you know who Hog, the wonder Democratic thinks he knows everything,
was on CNN last night with Scott Jennings, and he
brought up the fact Hawk used his time hog to
blame Republicans for the government shut down, even accusing Scott Jennings,
who's from Kentucky, of not caring about people in his

(08:26):
home state when it comes to the Obamacare subsidies. Listen
to how Jennings responded to that challenge.

Speaker 5 (08:32):
David, you would admit that the ACA was a Democrat legislation, yes,
And you would admit that the subsidies that we're talking
about now were passed by Democrats.

Speaker 6 (08:42):
Yes.

Speaker 5 (08:42):
And you would admit that the sunset provision in the
subsidies which comes up at the end of the year
was in place because of Democrats.

Speaker 1 (08:49):
Yes.

Speaker 5 (08:49):
Now you want to make it a Republican problem. These
are not the same issues. You could open the government
today and then you could negotiate with Democrats with Republicans
about ACAS.

Speaker 4 (08:57):
And by the way, my.

Speaker 5 (08:58):
Suspicion is, and you know this, there are probably and
I know there are some House Republicans that would love
to negotiate on it, but under duress, under a hostage
taking situation, connecting disconnected issues. And now you're throwing snap
onto it. You're throwing all the federal workers who aren't
being paid on to it all because of this fight
that you wandered into, because of your wing of the

(09:18):
Democratic Party. You all led to this snap crisis. You
all led to this crisis of the government being closing.

Speaker 2 (09:23):
You don't know how to get out of there, Budzinga,
And let me tell you what he did not know
how to respond to this. Scott Jennings shut this kid
down like you wouldn't believe last night.

Speaker 1 (09:32):
Yeah, that kid went to a gunfight with a plastic spoon.

Speaker 4 (09:34):
That is what he did.

Speaker 1 (09:35):
If he goes back to CNN on that panel again,
but he got he.

Speaker 2 (09:39):
Got shut down.

Speaker 7 (09:40):
All right.

Speaker 2 (09:40):
When we come back, we'll talk about the New York
City mayor's race, some thoughts on that it's impact on
the Democratic Party and the nation as a whole. That's
coming up on the Tuesday afternoon edition of The Rotten
Greg Show right here on Talk Radio one all five
nine knrs. Sends per gallon every single We need to
mention real quick at Dick Cheney passed away last night,
and you and I have been talking about that long time.

(10:01):
I liked Dick Cheney and then I don't know what
it was. We hate Trump. Took a drink of that
and didn't like him. I haven't loved him ever since
I've lived.

Speaker 1 (10:09):
You know, I'm not ancient, but I've lived long enough
to see some what I thought were Republicans stalwarts who
kind of fizzled out at the end in terms of
their public service or their time and disappointed disappointed me
and the Cheney's, whether it be Dick Cheney, Liz Chaney,
that they they fall in that suit to me, I
all the warnings if you just take what they said,
how the sky would fall and how bad the world

(10:30):
would be if Trump were to be elected in twenty
four and look at how good we're doing. It's just
patently false. And all you can point to is the
hubris that you know, it's it was their kind of
world that they were in charge, and he was a
challenge to that, and they didn't like it. No, it's sad. Look,
he did a lot of good things. He served in
many different capacities. I just think the way that the

(10:51):
Cheney legacy has ended in the United States is a shame.

Speaker 2 (10:55):
Yeah, not good. Well, we go from eighty four year
old Dick Cheney who died last night to a thirty
four year old man who wants to be the mayor
of New York City. His name is Aron Memdanie. People
are voting today and what does this say about the
Democratic Party and his future? Joining us on our newsmaker
line right now is Matt Welch Manday is the editor
in at large at Reason dot Com. He writes about this, Matt,

(11:17):
how are you welcome to the Rod and Greg Show?

Speaker 8 (11:20):
Doing great? Thanks for having me back.

Speaker 2 (11:21):
Matt, He wins tonight. Most people are suspecting he will
if in fact he does. What does this say about
the Democratic Party in his future? In your opinion, I.

Speaker 8 (11:31):
Think that it's the enthusiasm towards him, is what is
the big kind of tell It's the thrill that Democrats
are having, and not just in New York where I
live and talking to you from right now, but around
the country they're paying attention more attention to that. Then
what's happening in Virginia and Virginia you know, it's likely
that we're going to see a Democratic governor replace Republican governor,

(11:52):
and there's going to be movements in the state House
there that has some indications for what might happen in
twenty two. Forget out that we like the socialist, he's young,
he's the anti establishment. People love to vote for the
anti establishment guy, whether they're in the Republican Party or
the Democratic Party, so he gets to portray himself as that.
Gianni smiles a lot, he's good on social media, and

(12:15):
people are just stoked about it. I'm worried as someone,
not just because I live in New York and I
have to deal with the policies, but for the rest
of all y'all out there who live in cities where
Democrats are dominant, that they're going to pay more attention
to Zoran than they are to Virginia and think what
they need to do is free buses for everywhere and
let's tax the billionaires.

Speaker 1 (12:36):
You know. The way you frame this, I think is
really compelling because you point out that the Democrats have
just had these tired leaders. I mean, how do you
get excited about Schumer or a Hillary Clinton or in
this case, you know, a disgrace former governor in Cuomo.
And so you have this old guard and you couldn't
have a greater contrast than a young guy that's smiling

(12:58):
and just exudes optimism. And maybe you have a young
population or people that feel that the current system, call
it whatever you want, free market, call it crony capitalism,
wherever you want to call it. Many young people feel
they've been left out of that. Anybody offering something different
than the status quo seems to have some appeal. And
so the way I wrote read your article was that

(13:20):
it might not be socialism that they're pining away for.
It might be just this optimism and something that's just
changed and different than the slog that many New Yorkers
feel that they're living through.

Speaker 8 (13:31):
Absolutely right. I just got an email five minutes before
airtime here from someone who's familiar with my work, and
he emailed me back my own article and said, look,
I'm voting for him or I'm cheering for him, just
because Chuck Schumer hates it that I can get it.
I'm not happy to live where Chuck Schumer has a

(13:54):
lot of power. And that's the default thing in places
that are one party policy, well, you know, when you
know there's going to be a Democrat or if you
know one there's going to be a Republican in some places,
then they are not sending their best. They are sending
people who can survive stupid inter party politics and so
that's why we even have an AOC Alexander a Causio

(14:18):
of course, from Queens to New York. She toppled, I'd
like a five thousand hyar old democrat who was number
three or number four in the House. And it was
thrilling just because of that, regardless of anything else. So yes,
I think people are excited just about that more than
they are sitting around rubbing their hands at the idea
of the government running grocery stores.

Speaker 2 (14:40):
You know, I was thinking, this an old song, This
will really date me. Matt by the way, But Donnie
and Marie once had a little bit wrong called a
little bit of country and a little bit of rock
and roll. So you've got men Donnie Parmle sauce. So
you've got ma'm Donnie, who's got a little bit of
Bernie and a little bit of AOC in it.

Speaker 9 (14:56):
Right.

Speaker 8 (14:58):
I said another content that he's like their love child,
and I don't really want people to like think about
that too closely.

Speaker 4 (15:06):
It's a family show.

Speaker 8 (15:07):
I understand he's got the old style, like you know,
democratic socialism. You know, he can't quite say oiligau key
in the same way that Bernie can. But that's where
he's coming from. But he also has the kind of
like youth and social media and multiculturalism of AOC part
of that, which is kind of interesting to watch, especially
when everybody your Democrats around the country interpret this. He

(15:30):
hasn't really retreated from woke politics that we've seen a
lot of other kind of national Democrats, and the culture
is kind of like retreated from peak madness of twenty twenty.
He's still kind of there a little bit. Identity politics
is part of his allure. So I'm hoping, just as
someone who doesn't really like it identity politics, that that

(15:50):
is not what people try to ape that. It's rather,
you know, be someone who can, you know, interview people
on YouTube about Halal karts or whatever else it is
that he's done.

Speaker 1 (16:00):
This is an eighteen to twenty four, eighteen to twenty
nine voter block. I'm sure it's larger than that, but
it seems like those are the younger people that may
feel left out of whatever we have now. They're looking
for a change. What does that mean nationally? It certainly
doesn't mean socialism, but it might mean that the status
quo is not going to fly for younger voters.

Speaker 4 (16:16):
What do you think I think.

Speaker 8 (16:18):
You know, younger voters obviously never vote or rarely vote. Sadly,
it's people Miam fifty seven. People in the neighborhood that
I live in are super enthusiastic the gen xters are
coming after Zoron. As much as it pains me to
say it, but I think that people want to feel
excited about voting. I think Trump voters often are excited

(16:38):
about They're entertained by Trump. They're excited by his challenge
to Republican orthodoxy or the establishment. It's a shakeup, so
Democrats want to have that exciting feeling again. And whether
Zoron is the model that makes that happen for me,
I just worry that the aspects of him that makes

(16:59):
him both anti establishment and also alluring are too many
of the things that I personally don't like. It will
be good, especially at places outside of New York City,
which is a very particular politics that doesn't need to
be like a copied elsewhere. So we're gonna see it.
I would be really curious to see the reaction nationally
to what happens here tonight.

Speaker 2 (17:19):
Matt, greg and I wish you all the luck being
in New York you'll make it.

Speaker 1 (17:25):
Get some groceries before this thing goes down, before they
go triple and price.

Speaker 2 (17:28):
All right, man, thank you. Matt weel Ge is with
Reason dot Com talking about Mamdannie and what's going on there.

Speaker 9 (17:35):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (17:35):
Maybe a little bit later on, we'll talk about the
similarities between Donald Trump and mem Donnie. I think there
are some I do too. All right, more coming up
on the Rotten Greg Show.

Speaker 1 (17:44):
I like to vote in brilli. I don't like voting
by mail. I like to get the little sticker that
says you vote. I voted today.

Speaker 2 (17:50):
I dropped my ballot off in the mail or in
the ballot box outside.

Speaker 1 (17:56):
I want chain of custody to be right there. I
see a little ribbon. Come up now the shows everyone
I voted for.

Speaker 2 (18:01):
You want to see it, don't you. All right, let's
talk about the shutdown. Joining us on our newsmaker line
is Utah Congressman Mike Kennedy. Always great to have Congressman
Kennedy on the show. Mike, how are you? And welcome
to the rot and Greg Show.

Speaker 6 (18:13):
Hey, guys doing great. You both better get your ballots
and that's the vital part of hosting this radio show.
Your listeners would be very disappointed that.

Speaker 2 (18:21):
Greg and I have a bone to pick with you. Congressman.
We noticed it. We noticed today you posted a picture
of you delivering cookies to the air traffic controllers. You've
never delivered Greg and I cookie.

Speaker 1 (18:33):
I we feel like we're public servants in a different way.

Speaker 6 (18:37):
Are you being are you being paid during the government shutdown?

Speaker 2 (18:41):
Or yeah?

Speaker 4 (18:42):
Kind of yeah, yeah.

Speaker 6 (18:45):
A good point, though, I got. Yeah, we'll have to
I know, we'll have to get around to that at
some point.

Speaker 2 (18:51):
Congressman, let's get your feelings on the shutdown day thirty five.
It's not a record setting shutdown, and this thing seems
to be going absolutely no What are your thoughts?

Speaker 6 (19:01):
This is terrible, Actually, Hakeem Jeffries, prior to the passage
of the Big Beautiful Bill, gave the longest speech that
has ever been given on the House floor. And it's
just a sign of how weak they felt then, and
the shutdown is a sign of how weak the Democrats
feel now. They know that they're not able to stop
Trump and the Republicans in the official way, so they

(19:22):
shut down the government so that we can't continue to
work for the American people. And I think it's shameful
these five Democrats that you meet on the Senate side,
and for your listeners, I bet they know because they're sophisticated.
But we can't do this without sixty votes on the
Senate side. We need sixty votes. We have fifty three Republicans,
so we have to have seven cross the boundaries of
partisanship to vote to fund the government, which we Republicans

(19:44):
have voted for back on September nineteenth, the House Senate
over to the Senate, and the Senate has voted I
think fourteen times now to fund the government. Completely. Shame
on the Democrats for that.

Speaker 1 (19:55):
Congressman, I had the honor of servant with you. We
served together. You are a genuine and authenticate public servant,
and you're a hard, hard worker, and so I know
this is tough, and I saw you recently and I
can see the frustration on your face. Here's how it
even gets harder for you. And I'm sure you've already
thought this through. But the Democrats, and I would even
argue the media are going to try and paint a
picture that the Republicans simply won't give in to what

(20:17):
the Democrats want. Therefore, it's the Republican's fault, your fault,
the Senate's fault. Republicans for keeping people, keeping the government
shut down and all the negative impacts that come with it.
They're going to say, who's going to be the adult
in the room. Can't the Republicans be the adult in
the room and give in and open the government? If
you did, you'd be I mean, I think that without
regard to public sentiment, you don't have a choice. And

(20:40):
I don't think there's no way you could actually negotiate
with Terris or you'd get more of this. Have you
thought through if public sentiment shifts, especially if this goes
through Thanksgiving and the people start to say to Republicans,
you need to do what it takes to get this
thing open, because if the Democrats won't, you've got to
do something. What do you How do you grapple with that?

Speaker 6 (21:01):
More down the street is this May and next week.
They wanted to make the thirty five day deadline, which
they're doing today. They wanted to make a passive selection.
So I think there is an end in sight, although
of course I can't guarantee that. I thought weeks ago
it would be just three five, seven days, is what
I'm on public records saying. So second thing, Greg and Ryed,
you fellows know this having children yourself. I've got eight kids,

(21:22):
and when my kids are screaming and crying because they
want to eat ice cream for dinner and I tell
them no, of course, in that child's mind, I'm totally unreasonable.
They should be able to have ice cream for dinner
every night if they wanted to. And at some point,
this is where I have learned over many years, I
can't give in to temper tantrums. I can't give into
unreasonable hostage taking demand. That's what these Democrats are doing.

(21:46):
And I appreciate the opportunity works in my Democrat colleagues
any sensible time that comes up. But in this case,
the idea of us giving in and giving them what
they demand, I'm telling you right now, to you and
your listeners, we will have a government shutdown every three months,
every two weeks as whoever decides I want this policy,
and I'm just going to shut the government down as

(22:07):
a result. And the last thing I'll say on that
There's more I'm sure we can talk about. Is we
need regular order budgets, these continuing resolutions, these omnibus budget bills.
These are nonsense.

Speaker 10 (22:18):
Now.

Speaker 6 (22:18):
I know we need some time for regular order budget
and you both understand, your listeners understand we are working
for regular order budget. That's why we're asking for this
additional time. But we need regular order budgets and I'm
committed to that. But it just seems like we can't
even get that done now Washington, DC, which is a
terrible travesty.

Speaker 2 (22:37):
Congressman, you've talked about the fact that this shutdown really
distracts from America's coming financial crisis. We're talking about the debt.
I mean, it's getting scary.

Speaker 6 (22:46):
Oh, thirty eight trillion dollars. I just I think we
just crossed that boundary in the past several days, and
it is it is shameful for us to do that.
I know most people don't want to think about the
national debt. And that's the other side of this this
shutdown on at this point is that Democrats are insisting
on one point five trillion more dollars of deficit spending

(23:06):
for their pet projects and any number of projects. We
can't continue to spend money like this, But I know
most people don't want to think about the debt, just
like they don't want to think about they need to
go unto their dentists and get their teeth cleaned, or
they need to go get their calling out to be
I know none of us want to think about those things,
but I'm committed to making sure we think about those
kind of things because if we don't get a handle
on this, our children and grandchildren will be cursed with

(23:30):
a curse that we could have helped them avoid. And
I'm doing everything I can to move us in the
right direction of that.

Speaker 2 (23:37):
Congressman Kennedy, as always, we appreciate your time, and we'll
be looking for those cookies.

Speaker 4 (23:46):
Congress thank you, you talk.

Speaker 2 (23:47):
Congressman Mike Kennedy. He did deliver cookies to the air
traffic controllers.

Speaker 4 (23:51):
He can bring up a good point.

Speaker 1 (23:51):
They aren't getting pay checked and he's trying to be
nice theoretically. I mean, you know, government hasn't shut our
check off yet.

Speaker 2 (24:02):
Not yet yet. All right, more coming up on The
Rotten Gregg Show.

Speaker 4 (24:06):
I'm your guest hostis news.

Speaker 2 (24:08):
You're not guest host, you're a regular.

Speaker 1 (24:10):
Not guest host, co host, but one of those well
your aura, you know, you kind of make me feel
like a guest You know, because you kind of run
the thing, you know, kind.

Speaker 2 (24:21):
Of the big boss is yours.

Speaker 1 (24:24):
By the way, I meant co host, but I said guest.
I think that was what it called a Freudian slip.

Speaker 2 (24:29):
I could make you feel.

Speaker 4 (24:32):
I know you can't. Maybe that's what I feel. You
are one pathetic loser.

Speaker 2 (24:41):
By the way, Uh, you mentioned the podcast, and if
you want to, you know, a lot of the stories
that we the people we interview are based on stories
or columns that we write or they write, and if
you want to read those columns, there is always a
link to them on our X page. That is, well.

Speaker 1 (24:59):
We got a great page at Roden Gregg Show, and
you get on there because when we do speak with him,
it's usually because there's a great story that's been widely
published and we're getting the deats.

Speaker 2 (25:10):
Yeah. So yeah, if you want to take a look
at that as available to you as well. All right,
Tomorrow night, Jesse Water sits down with Erica Kirk for
her first interview since the assassination of her husband here
in Utah Utah Valley University back on I think it
was September tenth, and she sits down now it was
revealed during that interview. They do this, They do the

(25:31):
interviews and then they put out certain sound bites to
get people to listen. But she was asked about Jimmy Kimmel.
Apparently there was a thought that he would apologize to her,
and she talked about this with Jesse Waters.

Speaker 6 (25:44):
Jimmy Kimmel lied about your husband's murder and didn't really apologize.

Speaker 11 (25:50):
What would you say to Jimmy Kimmel?

Speaker 12 (25:53):
Same thing I told Saint Clair. They asked, I really
told anybody this? So they asked, do you want Jimmy
to give you an apology? Do you want to be
on a show? How can we make it right through
our team? I responded, I said, tell them, thank you,
we received They're not This is not our issue, not

(26:16):
our mess. If you want to say I'm sorry to
someone who's grieving, go right ahead. But if that's not
in your heart, don't do it. I don't want it,
I don't need it.

Speaker 2 (26:26):
Wow sing clear. By the way, it was one of
the two broadcast companies that refused to air Kimmel for
about a week and they had to required or I said,
would you like an apology?

Speaker 4 (26:35):
It's nice of them.

Speaker 1 (26:36):
I think it's nice to think it's nice to them
to reach out to her to see if they, if
they as a company could make this right, if they
could have some influence in that. But I think her
answer is is if it does. If it's not genuine,
why would you even bother it it's not And I
think I think her head's in the right place. As
hard as her life is right now, I think she's
focused on the right things.

Speaker 9 (26:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (26:57):
Yeah, and so she said don't think.

Speaker 1 (27:00):
Which I think makes Jimmy Kimmel look even like a
bigger fool. He is a fool that he doesn't know
to apologize over something he said that's so patently false.

Speaker 2 (27:09):
Yeah, speaking of fools. Nancy Pelosi.

Speaker 4 (27:15):
Another ancient Now.

Speaker 2 (27:17):
Nancy, rumors are that she is going to retire. I'd
confirm that yet, but those are the rumors.

Speaker 1 (27:22):
Why on earth would she do that at one hundred
and forty six years old. She's going strong. I don't
know why she'd ever slow down. Why would she want
to retire?

Speaker 2 (27:29):
Well, you know all the talk about violent rhetoric in
this country. Yes, listen of her description of Donald Trump.

Speaker 13 (27:35):
It's a vival creature, the worst thing on face of
the earth.

Speaker 4 (27:39):
But anyway, you think he's the worst thing on the
face of the earth.

Speaker 3 (27:42):
I do, Yeah, I do.

Speaker 13 (27:44):
Why is that because he's the president of the United
States and he does not honor the Constitution of the
United States. In fact, he's turned the Supreme Court into
a row court. He's abolished the House of Representatives, He's
killed the press, he's chilled the press. He's scared people

(28:05):
who are in our country legally.

Speaker 2 (28:09):
I think Nancy forgot her medication yesterday. I think she
saw something happened to her.

Speaker 1 (28:14):
What is her idea of a constitutional republic? Is it
that they all.

Speaker 4 (28:18):
Agree with you?

Speaker 1 (28:19):
You know, you can read the bill after you vote
for it. On Obamacare, you can. I mean, what part
of the president's you know, duty and his performance in
office would be unconstitutional? Or or avoiding the House of
Representatives or I mean, I just think that they've had
it their way for so long and they've been just Yeah,

(28:39):
it's been a propagandist machine. You can see the distrust
of the media. The regimeia has grown so much that
the only people that really like it are the Democrats
who get sped exactly the worldview that they believe.

Speaker 4 (28:51):
And that's it. It's a propaganda, massion.

Speaker 2 (28:53):
And Trump has chilled the media. There has never been
a president who is as accessible to the media than
Donald Trump. But he's chilling the.

Speaker 4 (29:02):
Media, killing the media.

Speaker 2 (29:04):
Our number two coming your way, stay with us. It
is Lerod and Gregschow on Talk radio one oh five
nine k n rs.

Speaker 1 (29:15):
What is the appeal of Mandani? I mean Zoolander, I mean,
I just I will. I do not believe that everybody.
Now there's an entitlement class. I guess people that want
everything for free and they don't want to work, and
they didn't live, you know, during the Cold War, so
they don't know what communism looks like for real, so
maybe it seems palatable. But I don't think that's his appeal.
I think his appeal is his youth, his optimism, He's

(29:38):
he's photogenic. I think that a lot of politics is
retail politics. I think it's how he's interacted with people
in New York. And when you contrast him as a
candidate to his opponents, a tired old Swomo Clomos been
at Mario Cuomo's father was the governor. You know, You've
got these Cuomos that have been there forever and they
didn't leave on the you know, best of terms. Just

(30:01):
look at the contrast. Look at a Schumer versus an AOC.
Forget what their politics are, look at the two of
them and tell you tell me who looks like someone
who looks forward thinking, optimistic. Just on some of the
more superficial qualities of a candidate, You're going to pick
an AOC over at mister Burns or whatever from The
Simpsons Chuck Schumer any day of the week. And I

(30:24):
think I feel like, when I look back at Clinton,
why was Clinton so popular with a lot of people?
He was running against Bob Dole. I love Bob Dole,
but it kind of felt like Bob Dole been around
for a long long time. It was kind of his
turn to run for president as a Republican nominee. And
then you had this young, you know, governor from Arkansas
that had a pulse. Very different contrast. I'd say the
same with a Barack Obama and a John McCain. Maybe

(30:46):
it's just the package of how they're running and how
they're communicating with people on a basic level, and not
the things they've said, because you can't defend the things
that man Buni has said. They're indefensible.

Speaker 2 (30:59):
Well, I mean, think about think about this, Greg, what
were you like when you were nineteen twenty twenty five
years old?

Speaker 4 (31:05):
Awesome?

Speaker 2 (31:07):
But if you're asking other than that, I mean, here
you've got a candidate running around talking about freezing your rent.
New York is very very expensive, city owned grocery stores,
fast fair, free bus rides, no childcare. Yeah, hey, you
know you're young, you're yeah, I kind of like that idea. Sure,
I'll take that in. I'll vote for that guy. In

(31:27):
a second.

Speaker 1 (31:28):
I'll take you back further. And this is this is
by history. I didn't live through this.

Speaker 4 (31:32):
You did. I did not.

Speaker 1 (31:33):
But the primary presidential primary, Democrat primary of John F.
Kennedy versus against LBJ, you know, Lyndon Baines Johnson. Okay,
LBJ was the Senate president back then, powerful dude, very
very powerful and been there for a long time. And

(31:54):
back then they didn't do as much retail politics, campaigning
and primaries. Really, your conventions were deciding who was going
to work.

Speaker 4 (32:00):
And John F.

Speaker 1 (32:02):
Kennedy as a young guy, he'd been in the House,
he had been a senator for a bit. He was
now going out to West Virginia, and I have this
picture because I like John F.

Speaker 4 (32:11):
Kennedy.

Speaker 1 (32:11):
Actually, I think he's a Republican in today's world by
a lot. But he's sitting there with the coal miners
and he's sitting on the ground with there's like a
railroad tie he's sitting on, and he's got all these
guys they've been working. It's probably their lunch break, and
he's just sitting talking to him. And you see a
connection there. And LBJ wasn't going to states, he wasn't
talking to any of the everyday people at all. In fact,
he criticized John F. Kennedy for being away from the Senate,

(32:34):
away from his duties to even campaign that way. And
there was this old guard versus this new guard, and
you saw it. And so I think it's one of
the appeals that John F. Kennedy had that he was
really appealing to people in a real human way. And
not to say the politics were perfect, but if you
contrasted that to a Senate President LBJ, who didn't really

(32:54):
condescend to talk to the people he was lining up
his delegates for a convention. I think that was one
of the things that helped propel John F. Kennedy to
the nomination and ultimately to the being elected president.

Speaker 2 (33:06):
Well, I want a couple of things I want to
add to this. Greg. First of all, Bob Dole and
John McCain were two of the worst Republican candidates for
president that this party has ever had.

Speaker 1 (33:15):
Yeah, and they were awful, Like I like Bob, I
mean war heroes and all that, and they served as
this country valiantly. But again, yeah, and they were just
it was their turn. They had run in the past
and they hadn't won, and it was just it was
their turn to It was you know, everybody the establishment
lined up and gave the person in line it was
their turn. And I'll tell you that's the Democrat Party

(33:38):
looks so much like that. Now it's somebody's turn, it's
somebody you know, that's you looked. And Bernie was kind
of the disruptor in that twenty sixteen race like Trump was,
but it was it was her. It was Hillary's turn, yeah,
and that's why she was going to get it. And
then even when twenty twenty they set him aside and
it was Biden's turn, it was not going to be
Bernie's turn. And I think that there's at some point

(34:01):
having turns and having an establishment keep churning out these older,
lifelong politicians. The people reject it. And it's not so
much an embrace of the young candidate per se. It's
the I want something different than what I'm getting, and
what I'm getting I don't like.

Speaker 2 (34:18):
Well, look at Memdani. Okay, young guy promising the world
to all these young people, right, and they're looking at
the old Democratic Party establishment. And I said this yesterday.
What is taking place in New York I think is
a repudiation of the old Democratic Party in New York
because they've been in charge since Rudy Giuliani. Really, and

(34:38):
look how things have become more expensive. You can't find
decent places to live. Look at crime on the streets.
They've had it, and the Democrats are giving them nothing new.
This guy comes along, no experience, what whatever? What was
he a state of stembliment.

Speaker 4 (34:52):
Yeah, he's the equivalent of a state house member.

Speaker 2 (34:54):
Never run anything. His family is well off, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (34:58):
And he acts like he's one of the here. He's
a trust fund baby.

Speaker 2 (35:01):
He's doing just fine. He comes along and all of
a sudden they get excited about it. Now the question
I think there are and I want to get people's
reaction to this, Greg and I do tonight the similarities
between mandonnie and and Donald.

Speaker 4 (35:16):
Trumps as a disruptor.

Speaker 2 (35:18):
Yeah, as a disruptor. Donald Trump certainly is not a
young man. What did Donald Trump do? And maybe this
is what Ma'm donnie is doing to connect to the
voters agent of change, disruptor, Yes, because you know, I'd
like to know that.

Speaker 1 (35:34):
In our first hour, we had a guest who wrote
a great column about the Democrats, Thrill for Mam Donnie,
and he said that right before he came on the
interview with us, he had a friend who had read
his article and texted him, I'm voting for I'm voting
for ma'm donnie because Schumer doesn't like him. Okay, well,
if that isn't a I'm tired of the old guard

(35:55):
and anything that the old Guard hates, I'm going to
be on the other side of that would be the tell. Yeah. Yeah,
so I I want to see I think that that
Trump certainly is and we're living through a time in
the American history where there is a disruption happening. You've
had the Old Guard, You've had the Swamp, We've had
the uniparty. There's there are times where you can't see

(36:15):
daylight between the Republicans and Democrats and their appetite to
spend and put this country into debt, trillions of dollars
in debt. Trump has been coming very differently from that.
I mean, he has a very different approach and it's
very I'm telling you, he's challenging all the all the establishment,
and you can see how they don't like it. Then
never Trumpers have never never been more angry. But is

(36:37):
without regard to age, is that an appeal? Is it
the appeal of someone that if you hate politics and
you don't trust politicians, does a does a mom?

Speaker 4 (36:46):
Donnie?

Speaker 1 (36:46):
And a and a Trump? I hate to even put
them in the same sentence, but are there qualities where
they're just not politicians in the in the you know,
cut from the same cloth.

Speaker 2 (36:55):
Yeah, the similarities are Greg, I think, and certainly not Age.
Certainly not their policies per se, but they are change agents.
And I think the American voter out there, Greg, you've
brought this up before, you had you know, the people
the what do you call him in terms of the
phrase you use the people who voted for Trump, who've
never been active in politics. Right, there is a large

(37:18):
group who did vote for Donald Trump twice. I would
read rice three times. They voted for Donald Trump. Why
because they feel he's not a politician. They're looking at
Mam Donnie and I think thinking the same thing in
any re he's not a politician, but he's out there
and he wants to do something. And the American voter
is sick and tired of the same old, same old,
same old. They want to get things done. And this

(37:41):
is why the shutdown, in my opinion, isn't already backfiring
on some of them. The American people are saying, look, adults,
get in a room and get this settled.

Speaker 4 (37:49):
Ye do it.

Speaker 1 (37:50):
The American people haven't changed on their opinions of opening
the government. They expect it to be open, and they're
not happy that it's not. Yeah, it's you know, in
being having been a public servant, haveing a lot of
people that have been in politics or working in this
or serving, there was a confusion, what is it about Trump?
Because he's so rough around the edges, he's not polished,
he's not this, he's not that. Therein lies the beauty

(38:10):
of Donald Trump. If you hate politics. He doesn't exude politics.
If you don't trust politicians, he does not come across
as a politician because he's not. He is as candid
of a person as you're going to meet. He's as
available to the media as you're as he's able to be.
He's going to say things that are you know, on
a scale from one to ten, how would you rate
your your trip, your Asian trip, mister president, from one

(38:32):
to ten, a twelve, And he's just straight faced about it,
and you just laughed because you know it's of course
he's going to come in big and he's gonna I mean,
he just he just he challenges all the all the rules.
And I think that that people don't think he's a
politician or immersed in the politics of the past.

Speaker 2 (38:50):
See someone has once described Mamdani kind of similar way,
but a socialist with a smile. When have you ever
seen Chuck Schumer smile? When would you want to see
him smile?

Speaker 1 (39:03):
I think it would look evil, it'd be look devious,
it wouldn't look it wouldn't look nice, it would look.

Speaker 2 (39:07):
The opposite enthusiasm to the Democratic Party. I think the
way Donald Trump brought enthusiasm to I don't want to
say the Republican Party, but voters out there who've never
been involved.

Speaker 1 (39:18):
Yeah, I think he has drawn I think he has
pulled many people involved, made them involved. Start, they started
to track policy politics, and they voted where they haven't
been voting before they left it to the other people
who like politics or trust politicians to do it. I
think there's been a huge voter turnout. There has been.
It's it's been shown with Trump's candidacy. We can take

(39:38):
nothing by way of who's the leader of the Democrat
Party from this race for mayor in New York City
because these are just all Democrats talking to other Democrats.
There is not there's not a Republican to be found.
I know Curtis Sola that that's running as a Republican.
But you know, again, if you look at the approval
rating of Trump, he's like seventy percent. Hat his guts
in New York City. I mean, this is just a

(39:59):
this is a creature of the Democrat Party beginning middle
an end. It has no bearing on the rest of
this country or where the country's going. Whoever wins that race,
and I think it's going to be Mom Donnie. But
if it is. It doesn't mean that this country wants
to be a bunch of socialists.

Speaker 2 (40:14):
Yeah, well, and what is it in New York eight
to one Democrat versus Republican eight to one sixty one
something like that. So don't get too excited, folks, but
we want to hear from you tonight. Do you see
similarities between Mendanni and Donald Trump? Not so much in
personality or not so much in their policy's, certainly not,
but in what they represented to their parties eight eight
eight five seven eight zero one zero triple eight five

(40:35):
seven eight zero one zero. You can on your cell
phone dial Pound two fifteen and say hey, Rod, or
you can reach us on the talk back line as well,
your calls and your comments coming up on the Rodd
and Gregg Show. One other thing before we get to
our calls, Greg, that I wanted to bring up about
Mam Donnie and what is going on with young people.
They have not lived through socialism or communism the way

(40:56):
you and I have. Yeah, the Cold War, what's going
on in the Soviet Union which used to be the
Soviet Union? You know, the disasters that have taken place
in China and Cuba. When it comes to that type
of government or that form of government, so they haven't
lived through it. They don't have a history to look
back on, primarily because they aren't being taught it in
many of our schools today. That's one of the reasons.

(41:19):
But they don't. They don't have a sense of history
when it comes to socialism and communism.

Speaker 1 (41:24):
And history does not does not reflect well on communism
at all. In fact, the murdering, I mean it's just yeah,
but for some reason, there isn't the social stigma for
someone declaring that there are communists there is being a Nazi.
I mean somehow that's a yeah, you know, one does
not carry the same stigma. But it's it's got a
pretty morbid and dark history, and communism does. Let's go

(41:45):
to our callers, because again we're talking these disruptors. We're
seeing in people that are becoming popular because they're not
part of the maybe the status quo. What say you
folks on that issue. Let's go to Erin and West Jordan. Aaron,
Welcome to the Ron and Greg Show.

Speaker 9 (42:01):
Hey, thank you, sir. I just wanted to say real
quick that who do they have to cling to? I mean,
they rode Biden out with the pulse and they wrote
out then they drove out a woman that she couldn't
even mix words. So I mean, who do they have?
And so they have this guy and yeah, I think
Rod said it best. Yeah he says it with a smile.

(42:22):
But I blame the education, the education system for altering
the history. Real history will tell you exactly what anything
with the word socialist is going to do.

Speaker 12 (42:34):
But these young.

Speaker 9 (42:36):
Kids, oh free, this free that they don't understand the
real program. So he's getting the young people that excided.
But that's what I loved about Charlie Kirk. If you
win the youth, you won the you won the war.
And he was trying to reclaim that education. And so
I'm grateful for him and what he taught. And I'm

(42:57):
just I'm just thankful. I just help that we can
keep the Republicans. They's excited as the Democrats are over
the only person they got.

Speaker 7 (43:07):
Their roll out.

Speaker 2 (43:08):
Yeah that's true, Aaron, thank you. I hope we can
keep the excitement level up on the Republican and conservative
side of things.

Speaker 4 (43:13):
I think we got a deeper bench.

Speaker 1 (43:15):
I like what Aaron says, and I'll tell you, I
do think that the talent pool over on the Democrat
side is about ankle deep, and I think that you
don't have very many people that can string a sentence
together that can they can exude optimism or make you
feel optimistic with what they're saying. And he's careful, he's
not out. He there's a lot of quotes that he
has to live with and try to answer for, but

(43:35):
none of that is what he's saying on the campaign trail.
He's got a lot of I'm told, a lot of
de Blasio's team around him trying to tell people it's
going to you know, it's not going to be how
his rhetoric has been in the past. None of that
actually matters to me. I think a lot of people
vote out of emotion. They vote emotionally and make decisions emotionally. Frankly,
I think it's one of the problems that Republicans have
had in the past, where we want to pull out

(43:56):
calculators and tell you about tax race. Okay, well, well
you got Democrats making your heart just swell and make
you feel good about whatever they're talking about. And so,
you know, we love our facts, we love our data
bit but it is an emotional thing. And I think
that Mom, Donnie, he turned. He appeals to that because
he is optimistic, and I think that's what, frankly, what
Trump has done. I do think we have a bench

(44:18):
nationally speaking with Republicans that can could maybe touch that
same live wire.

Speaker 2 (44:23):
Beside men Boney, I think the only Democrat who can
excite a crowd is AOC. That's right, yeah, And I
honestly believe she is going to take on Chuck Schulmer,
and I think she will win easily against Chuck Schulmer.

Speaker 1 (44:35):
This is how bad the Democrat Party is right now.
You would think that's a no brainer because she could
beat him walking away. But she might want to run
for president or vice president and it's the same election cycle.
So she's going to have to make this decision about
does she want to run for president and if she
doesn't become the nominee, does she run for vice does
she get on a ticket, or does she run for
that senencee which I think she would get. She would

(44:57):
win that Senate seat with I wonder if Schumer would
even try to fight if she decided to take him on.
But that I mean to think at AOC, I can
see why in New York with Democrats talking to other
Democrats why she has an appeal.

Speaker 2 (45:11):
But nationally, that's why I thinks you'll run for the Senate.
She'll look nationally. And you know, if you hear somewhere
Irans and she had one at a rally for mem
Donnie a week ago, you're going, where on earth is
that coming from? But I think she could easily win
New York City. You win New York City where she
was a bartender, that's important. She can win that state.

(45:32):
I think that that may be the future.

Speaker 1 (45:33):
Okay, let's go back to the phones. Let's go to
Ray from Pleasant Grove. Ray, Welcome to the Rod and
Greg Show.

Speaker 11 (45:40):
Hey, Emperorn and King. I just wanted to say that
history is only written. People say were history is written
by the winners and the losers. That's incorrect. It's written
by the winners and the liars. And communism and socialism
has always lied and have told you what you want
to hear. They say, this is what we're going to

(46:00):
give you, but they never come. They never come, but
they never manifest it.

Speaker 4 (46:05):
Yeah, it's it is a lie.

Speaker 1 (46:07):
It's a it's an abject lie, and it's any serious
consideration of of you know, you literally have to go
to institutions I hire learning to hear a good thing
about communism. You're certainly not going to hear it from
people that escape it. Those governments that are run the
communist run. The people that flee those governments will tell
you all the nightmares they've lived through.

Speaker 12 (46:24):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (46:24):
And history has nothing good to say about communist regimes.
But you get into a higher ed and you get
to these professors that will tell you it's the greatest thing
in the world, and uh, it's it is. It's a
it's it's quite the whiplash when you look at it.

Speaker 4 (46:37):
So I do I think.

Speaker 1 (46:39):
It's written by the losers and the liars in terms
of if anyone's telling you that that's form of government
is going to serve you well. But if you're a
young person right now and you don't think that the
current system is giving you a whole lot of opportunity,
and you're seeing that ability to buy a home just
get further and further away, and things are getting more expensive,
maybe you're ready to just you know, pull the pull
the lever and and and go crazy because you anything

(47:01):
could be better than the status quo.

Speaker 2 (47:02):
All Right, more coming up more your calls in your comments.
It is the Tuesday edition of the Rotten Gregg Show
right here on Utah's Talk Radio one oh five nine knrs.

Speaker 1 (47:11):
You know is if the Democrats nationally haven't made a
mess out of everything, are our micro minority of Democrats
in the Utah State Senate.

Speaker 4 (47:20):
They've got a great idea.

Speaker 1 (47:21):
Yeah, So the Democrats in the Senate in the US
Senate are keeping the government closed and that means that
SNAP benefits are not going to arrive as planned. So
the uh what six Democrats in the Senate out of
twenty nine out of twenty nine centators, I think six
are Democrats. Anyway, their caucus has come up with the
greatest idea, which is they are calling. They've written this

(47:44):
letter and they have the Utah State Senate Democrats as
a caucus have written a letter to the governor, the
Senate President, and the Speaker of the House to say,
use the state rainy day funds to pay SNAP for
all the Utons that need it. Sure, because the state
of Utah should cover this federal government's bills and it
ought to be covering all the SNAP benefits. Now, what's

(48:05):
funny is they give a chart on here, and they say,
you know, some of the some of the districts Senate
districts that rely on SNAP are really your Republican and
even rural districts, so you should really think about doing it. Well, then,
why aren't those senators the one speaking up about doing it?
They're not, are they? So?

Speaker 2 (48:24):
You know, I mean, I'm looking at the list of centers.
They're all Saltlake County based, aren't they.

Speaker 1 (48:30):
Yeah, that every one of them was count Yeah, it's
like a Better Boundaries Commission right here.

Speaker 4 (48:35):
They're all Saltke County.

Speaker 1 (48:37):
All the Democrats they want their own congressional district and
now they want the state Rainy Day Fund to just
start ponying up for the federal government's SNAP benefits, of
which Democrats in the Senate have closed down. This is
a great idea, This is wonderful.

Speaker 2 (48:51):
They have obviously obviously have not seen this map that
you shared the other day. Where does Utah rank the
percentage of the population that use a SNAP? Where do
we rank?

Speaker 1 (49:02):
We are the least We're number one, Yeah, we're number
one for the least amount of what is it that point.

Speaker 2 (49:08):
Six seven nine percent of the population here in the
state use snap funds, and I think what people forget
Greg on top of this is it's called supplemental. It's
not meant to be your main source of food. It's
to help you defray the cost of food. It's supplemental.
And that's what they forget.

Speaker 1 (49:27):
Yeah, And if you go beyond just snap and you
just say, well, for benefits generally, we're still the lowest
at six percent generally, so we're we're we're the lowest.
I think we're tied with Idaho or Wyoming in terms
of the lowest overall for welfare recipients.

Speaker 4 (49:43):
Yeah, the eight people of Wyoming and mil.

Speaker 1 (49:49):
Wyoming is funny because it has two US Senators and
only one member of the House what's name, yeah, Hageman,
because they have such a their population is so slow
that they got twice a number of US Senators and
they have members of Congress, which.

Speaker 2 (50:04):
And they have pretty small Jackson Hole beautiful. Yeah, but
Jackson Hole is Wyoming's version of Park City. Oh, very absolutely,
it is.

Speaker 1 (50:14):
Youah, no, so I again, yeah, we don't need the
State of Utah, and it's taxpayers and it's rainy day
fund for its budget, which it balances every year to
be now thrown, you know, as one time money to
ongoing expenses that the federal government is supposed to cover
and the Democrats have shut down. You know, we shouldn't
be emptying out our rainy day fund for that effort.

Speaker 4 (50:35):
Do you think that's it? I don't think that's good
for said.

Speaker 2 (50:38):
Trump has said he will partially fund it. I think
a judge told him he has to. But that's all
he's going to do. So you're going to get a
half a sandwich instead of a full sandwich.

Speaker 1 (50:47):
Yeah, yeah, Well we'll see how all that works. I mean,
I again, I think it's.

Speaker 4 (50:53):
There's.

Speaker 1 (50:55):
All you're doing is buy in days in a time
where they have to come up and vote to continue
this going forward. Because whatever money you spend now, you
have the same problem the next day and you've used
you've used something, You've used these funds, these emergency funds,
you're going to deplete them all and the very next
day you're still going to have the same need if

(51:16):
you don't get five more Democrats to come and vote
to keep the government open.

Speaker 2 (51:19):
Well, what is the state doing right now? Are we
giving the Utah Food Bank like a half million dollars
a week?

Speaker 9 (51:25):
You know.

Speaker 4 (51:25):
This is what I love about our state.

Speaker 1 (51:27):
We have the highest rate of volunteerism, we have, we
have great the generosity we have. We have the Church
Church of Jesus Christ Larry Saints has a welfare program.
We have a lot of safety nets for our community
and our in our state, and we don't have a
high dependency on welfare per se. So I think that
the state of Utah is highly self sufficient and I
think we're gonna we're going to navigate this as best

(51:48):
we can, particularly on this on SNAP and some of
these welfare benefits. Now, if you work for Hill Air
Force Base, if you work for the I R. S
UP in Ogden, that's that's where things get tough for
our the people that are employed by the federal government.
But you're not the Democrats, Senators state senators that are
Democrats not trying to say that we need to train

(52:09):
our Rainy Day Fund to pay pay for SNAP because
Democrats in the US Senate won't do it.

Speaker 4 (52:14):
I think that's a bit silly.

Speaker 2 (52:15):
Is this called grand standing?

Speaker 6 (52:17):
I do.

Speaker 1 (52:17):
I don't think this is why they can't have nice
things because they don't come up with responsible ideas. And
so that's why they're six out of twenty nine.

Speaker 2 (52:26):
Well, well let me ask you that, could the rainy
day Fund be used for this if you.

Speaker 1 (52:30):
Don't want to have one anymore? I guess yeah. I
mean it's it's again you want to be very careful
about one time money, meaning it's just a it's like
a bonus, but it's one time money for an ongoing expense,
which means it will be needed to be replenished going forward.
That when what the rainy day Fund was used for
when I was there, when you'd have times of recession,
and that's when the government writes out of budget eighteen
months ahead of time, and then there's an assumption of

(52:52):
how much the taxpayers are going to are going to
send in by way of their taxes. When you get
it wrong and you've overshot the budget more than what
the taxpayers sent in, you have to be very careful
with that rainy day fund. You got to cut the government,
state government, but then you can supplement some of that.
So what we would do with the rainy Day Fund
when we found those years of recession and we had shortfall,
we wanted to hold public education as harmless as possible.

(53:14):
Where we didn't want there to be such steep cuts,
and then we went to other parts of government to
cut it. But that money you're trying to bridget at
a time span that you don't know when it's going
to kick back. You don't know when the economy is
going to swing back, So you have to use that
money so carefully because you don't know how long you're
in this for. So why would you take this money
here where it's a self created crisis of the Democrats

(53:36):
and spill our rainy day fund into that effort?

Speaker 2 (53:38):
It's insane, as I recall Greg, and it hasn't. The
revenue intake slowed down a little bit over the last
couple of years. Yes, well, yeah, we don't have as
much money as we used to.

Speaker 1 (53:49):
Well, it's hard to not when so much money came
in because of COVID. COVID really they were printing money
faster than they knew what to do. Is so you
had a lot of COVID money coming into the state.
When I left the legislature last sets in twenty eighteen,
we had a fifteen billion dollar budget. It's over thirty billion. Yeah,
so yeah, it's gone up. It there's a there's a
surplus probably, but it's very small, and the big beautiful

(54:11):
bill did change some things on Medicaid where the state's
going to have to make some changes and pay a
little more than they were playing to before for rural
hospitals and rural emergency rooms. So it's going to be
a little tight to you know, close to the bone,
which is good. You know, it's the that's good. Necessity
is the mother of invention. When you have budgets that
are that are not overflowing, you have to be very
careful with how you're spending the taxpayer dollars. So it's

(54:33):
a good exercise and a good thing to do.

Speaker 2 (54:34):
All right. More coming up the Rod and Greg Show
Tuesday afternoon in edition right here on Utah's Talk Radio
one O five nine kay NRS Utah Center. Mike Lee
will be joining us following our news update at the
top of the hour. Some of his thoughts on the shutdown,
and a question that both you and I have had,
Greg about the filibuster. Could you narrow it to a
point where just deals with continuing resolutions like Harry Reid

(54:56):
did on the judges. Yeah, we have some good questions, Yeah,
we have. We'll hear what the cender has to say
on that. Now, polls are now starting to close in
New Jersey. They've closed in Virginia. Right now New Jersey,
you've got an interesting cage between Jack Chittarelli and Mikey Sheryl.
Listen to what she had to say when she was

(55:17):
asked about school curriculum there in New Jersey and what
she thinks parents should not be allowed to opt their
children out of.

Speaker 14 (55:25):
Should parents have the right to opt their kids out
of LGBTQ related content in the same way that right
now they can be removed.

Speaker 4 (55:33):
From sex ed and health curriculum classes.

Speaker 15 (55:35):
Look, I believe that parents have the right to oversee
their children's education. I would push an LGBTQ education into
our schools. Parents have a right to opt out of
a lot of things, but this is not an area
where they should be opting out, because this is an
area of understanding the background of people throughout our nation,
and right now we see, for example, at our Naval

(55:57):
Academy on a rature of history.

Speaker 2 (56:00):
So she wouldn't allow parents to opt their children out
of curriculums in their schools that teaches an lbgt Q agenda.
She would she wouldn't allow to out.

Speaker 4 (56:09):
That's a that's a parent's nightmare.

Speaker 1 (56:11):
I think, you know, young, Let kids be kids, let
them be innocent, and I would just be opting out. Man.
I tell you, I think any parent that cares about
their kids, they just don't need their head filled with
that stuff.

Speaker 9 (56:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (56:24):
In K through twelve, give me a break.

Speaker 14 (56:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (56:26):
And we've been talking, of course about the Democratic Party
in his future. Joe Manchin was on John Stewart Show
last night. Let's know what he said about the Democratic Party.

Speaker 14 (56:34):
I would say to you, I don't know that West
Virginia is a moderate state. It voted overwhelmingly for Donald Trump,
who is not a moderate president, three times, three times
over forty.

Speaker 16 (56:45):
He'd beat Hillary by forty forty one points, right, he
beat Joe.

Speaker 4 (56:49):
He got lost to Joe Biden, but not in West Virginia. No,
he's still won.

Speaker 16 (56:54):
About forty points right, and he won again in twenty
twenty four. And I've told my Democrat friend. They said, Joe,
what happened to the West Virginia Democrats? And I said nothing.
They want to know what happened to the Washington Democrats?
And they said, what do you mean? I said, I
can tell you why the union, coal miners and all
the factory workers that I grew up with where they
are today, why they switched and started voting Republican. They

(57:17):
believe that the Democrat Party in Washington basically spends more resources, effort,
and time on able bodied people that don't work or
won't work than you do those who do.

Speaker 1 (57:28):
Right, And there's the two people clapping out of that audience.

Speaker 2 (57:31):
Well, what a great comment that is. You spend more
time and money on people who don't work.

Speaker 4 (57:36):
The able bodied people that don't want.

Speaker 2 (57:38):
To, who don't want to work, than you do on
people who are working. That basically says what the Democratic
Party is all about today.

Speaker 1 (57:45):
Yeah, you know, I've been saying it for a long time.
The Republican Party is the party for the everyday American,
the normies, Okay, just the people that just want to
do their you know, live their lives, you know, raise
their families. You know, this individual liberty thing is not
a fat is how this country became so great. It's
when it's when average and everyday people get to do

(58:05):
extraordinary things. And it's not a caste system. It's not
because of wealth and social status. It is a beautiful place.
So that's that's where the Democrats aren't. They're they're social engineers,
They're for the important people.

Speaker 2 (58:17):
Yeah, they are all right. When we come back, Utah's
under Mike Lee. Our conversation with the Utah Republican coming up. Sure,
how many people in Utah care about the Virginia governor's race.
But the Democrat span Berger has defeated win some earl.

Speaker 1 (58:34):
That's right, AP's reporting. They're projecting that s member will
receive fifty five percent of the vote to the Lieutenant
governor's Sears earls forty five percent. Yeah, so look, I
mean that she was never close in that race, but
Republicans have overperformed in these polls in past election cycles,

(58:55):
so it was interesting to see. I think more people
are looking at that Attorney general's race. I'll tell you
that I see this stat that of the exit polling
of the people that voted today. Now, I would argue
that people that vote on the day of the election
are probably more apt to vote conservative, and they don't
you know, they don't trust the vote by mail or
they want the chain of custody to be stronger. Forty

(59:15):
six percent of those who were participating in the exit
poll in Virginia. When asked the question of the Virginia
candidate Democrat candidate for attorney general if fantasizing about shooting
Republicans and their children disqualifies them for office, only forty
six percent of those respondents said that that would be disqualifying.

(59:35):
That means you've got I mean for that to be
less than fifty percent, that fantasizing about killing your political
opponent and their children is disqualifiing, disqualifying for attorney general.
It shows that the Democrats are the party of Islands.
This is not a both sides thing. I just absolutely
reject that you're going to find that kind of sentiment

(59:56):
across the board without regard to political persuasion. That is
a Democrat sentiment right there, that you can fantasize about
killing a Republican and their children and you can still
be the top law enforcement officer of that state. How
unbelievably pathetic and worrisome that is.

Speaker 2 (01:00:11):
That's frightening. Well, let's move on to the shutdown and
talk about there. There are more and more reports coming
out tonight, Greg that signs of a potential end to
the government shut down apparently are intensifying with this election
over they're looking at what's going on in the skies
over America, concerned about traffic, concerned about food, and their
efforts now to come to some sort of an agreement

(01:00:34):
to get this opened up. We'll have to wait and
see if it happens. We had a chance earlier today
to speak with Utah Senator Mike Lee. There was a
story today in the Hill that eight moderate Democrats are
meeting to come up with some sort of plan. We
asked the Senator to give us an update on the plan.
What he's hearing right now.

Speaker 7 (01:00:51):
Pretty much, any solution to this shutdown needs to include
funding the government well into twenty twenty six so that
the uniport doesn't get a chance to jam a massive
spending bill down our throats, laden with ear marks right
before Christmas, which is what so often happens. I've been
here about fifteen years, and conveniently, more often than not,

(01:01:13):
they find a way to engage in this what I
call Christmas extortion pattern, where they get members of Congress
in both houses, both political parties, they vote for spending bill.
It's too big, contains a lot of wasteful spending, a
lot of earmarks, simply because they want to go home
for Christmas.

Speaker 10 (01:01:31):
Now.

Speaker 7 (01:01:31):
Look, fortunately, Democrats are feeling the heat from the American people,
from government employee unions which are almost entirely Democrat operations,
and even from the Washington Post editorial board, all of
whom are recognizing Democrats did this. They caused a shutdown
through their petulant demands at a time when they control

(01:01:53):
exactly zero of the three levers involved, meaning the House,
in the Senate and the White House. So there are
rumblings that they might surrender this week, although those rumblings
have also existed in prior weeks and haven't materialized.

Speaker 4 (01:02:09):
But we'll see that.

Speaker 7 (01:02:10):
The key here is not giving them any massive concessions
to do so, because they're on the ropes and this
is now the longest shutdown in US history. If they've
refused for the I think the sixteenth time today to
reopen the federal government, and this is on them.

Speaker 1 (01:02:26):
Senator President Trump put out a lengthy post today where
he pointed to issues like ending the filibuster that could
have the consequence of statehood for Washington.

Speaker 4 (01:02:39):
D C.

Speaker 1 (01:02:40):
Puerto Rico, stacking the Supreme Court. But his point was
if and when the Democrats ever see control of the House,
Senate and the White House, they will absolutely do this.
And so there needs to be consideration of ending the
filibuster in some form, maybe limited fashion or some form,
because it's not a matter of if the filibuster will end,

(01:03:02):
it'll be when. And the president's case this morning in
his post was we should be doing this now so
that we can get the government back up and running
and be able to pursue the agenda for the American people.

Speaker 4 (01:03:14):
How do you feel about that?

Speaker 1 (01:03:15):
I know how you have felt about the filibuster in
the past, but is anything with the Democrats conduct lately
and some of the talk going on has that changed
your mind about the filibuster.

Speaker 7 (01:03:26):
Well, President Trump is absolutely right to be curious with
Democrats who have shut down our government now for many
weeks trying to extort the American people, and they've abused
the filibuster in order to bring that about. Meanwhile, they
are on the ropes. They're feeling the heat for reasons
I mentioned a moment ago. And we do have options

(01:03:48):
to end their abuse of the filibuster. For example, if
we harnessed the existing rules, the ones that we already have,
we could force the Democrats to actually stay up talking
on the floor for days and ultimately break the filibuster.
The sixty vote cloture rule is not an inexorable command,

(01:04:08):
and it's not the means by which legislation has passed.
It's only one of several means that the Senate can
employ to break a filibuster. So, regardless of where this
goat may go in the future, I think we've got
to make sure that we utilize the tools at our disposal,
starting with the rules that we already have that have

(01:04:30):
lain dormant for far too long now, and we're keeping
all of our options open. But one way or another,
no mistake, we are going to end this lodge am
that has come about as a result of their abuse
of the filibuster center.

Speaker 2 (01:04:44):
Is there any way you can narrow the scope of
the filibuster to apply just to continue your resolution like this?
Is there any way to be able to do that
at all?

Speaker 7 (01:04:53):
And I assume you mean narrow the scope of any
effort to nuke it so that it would extend only
to a cotinue resolution or spending the vehicle. You know,
when Harry Read first nuked what we call the executive
filibuster in November of twenty thirteen, so almost exactly thirteen

(01:05:14):
years ago. He purported to narrow it. Everyone understood that
once you've nuked it on the executive calendar, meaning on
the nominations calendar in the Senate. Even though he purported
to draw a line around it and say that it
wouldn't the nuking wouldn't apply to Supreme Court justices. We
all knew that as a practical matter, that's not how

(01:05:35):
it would work. If you knuke any of it, you
regard as nuke and dollar. But in theory, we could
try it that way. I don't think it would culminate.
I don't think it would actually result in it being
limited to a continuing resolution. But like I said, we've
got multiple options that can allow us to end this,

(01:05:57):
and we're discussing those actively right now. Not sure which
one of them is going to be deployed, but we
are going to break it.

Speaker 1 (01:06:05):
So here's some disturbing comments from Obama's Attorney General, Eric Holder.
He has described the Supreme Court as a broken institution.
He says that part of the national discussion in the
midterms in twenty six and in the presidential elections in
twenty eight needs to be discussion of what he describes
as reform. We would describe it as dismantling the Supreme

(01:06:27):
Court or packing the court. Have you heard air holders
commentary about the Supreme Court and his intention if they
had a trifecta to change the structure of the court
because it's a broken institution. Have you heard any of
that and what would be your response? I know you
know that Supreme Court very well. You were a clerk
in the Supreme Court and you're a bit of a

(01:06:49):
legal scholar. But what do you say about aeric holders assessment?

Speaker 7 (01:06:55):
Yeah, I saw some of former Attorney General airic holders
comments this morning on the Supreme Court, and my reaction
to it was and is that code? That's code basically
for we want to pack the Supreme Court or insofar
as they choose another option one way or another. They're
talking about changes to the Supreme Court for one simple reason.

(01:07:17):
They don't like the rulings that the current Supreme Court
is issued on a couple of areas, areas in which
the Supreme Court for decades served as the accomplice, served
as the acolyte to the far left movement. They helped
the left achieve massive leftist policy victories that were themselves

(01:07:39):
sufficiently unpopular that they left knew would not allow them
to win at the polls. So they went to the
Supreme Court and had the Supreme Court in some cases
grafted onto the Constitution things that weren't there as so
as to make it very, very difficult for anyone else
not to embrace those policies. Now that that party has ended,

(01:08:01):
we've got a Supreme Court that is intent on following
the law, on reading the conversation based on what it says,
based on the words their original public meaning, and the
words of statutes and conscial provisions in front of them.
Oh lef is furious, and so naturally they want to
remake the Supreme Court. That's one thing that we cannot

(01:08:22):
allow to happen. We need an independent judiciary, one that
is able to, willing to and charge with the task
of interpreting the law based on what it says, not
based on somebody's ideological preferences.

Speaker 2 (01:08:33):
Speaking of the Supreme Court, tomorrow, the court will hear
arguments on the President's actions on tariffs. What are your
thoughts on this, What is the what is the argument
going to look like? Or sound like do you think tomorrow? Senderley, Well,
a lot of.

Speaker 7 (01:08:48):
The discussion is going to focus on Number one, whether
or not Congress has in fact authorized the President to
undertake this type of terror Tariff's Action and Trade Barrier Act,
and that the President is utilized too that has utilized here.
And number two, whether in so far as that authority

(01:09:11):
has been granted to the President under this emergency powers
law known as i EPAM, if in fact it is
broad enough to give the president the power to do that,
whether that amounts to an unconstitutional delegation of lawmaking power.
It's really hard to predict this one. I urged slightly

(01:09:31):
on the side of expecting the Supreme Court will uphold
what it is that Trump wants to do, but it's
hard to predict. I think we'll have a better idea
once we see the oral argument and we see how
the questions shape out. Sometimes not always, but in many circumstances,
you can develop a pretty good read of where the

(01:09:53):
Court is likely to end up based on the town
and tenor of the questions during oral argument. So I
look forward to watching them.

Speaker 2 (01:10:00):
Our conversation earlier today with Utah sender Mike Lee sender.
Lee shared with us that he will be in the
court tomorrow when they hear those oral arguments along with
Scott Besson. He says he has a better seat.

Speaker 1 (01:10:10):
Scott Besson has a front row seat. He at least
he says he wants it. But then I guess if
you're a Supreme Court member of the bar, I don't
even know what that is, but I guess he's in
a he's in the cool kids club.

Speaker 4 (01:10:19):
He's got even a better seat.

Speaker 2 (01:10:20):
Should embarrass under Lee. How here's a story you told
us about the No.

Speaker 1 (01:10:26):
No, no, that's it's he's just had you know, his
dad had tried cases. You know, rex Ley tried cases
general the United States, tried cases in front of the
Supreme Court. So he's even as a young man, he's
in there.

Speaker 2 (01:10:38):
That's all we'll say.

Speaker 1 (01:10:39):
Yeah, he had a good story though he's he grew
up watching these these brainy acts talk and and you know,
and deliberate over the laws.

Speaker 4 (01:10:46):
So but there is a good story, Yeah, there is.
You know we are going to share.

Speaker 1 (01:10:51):
This is you do this all the time, and poor
Center Lee doesn't know that you just tell you you
can't always tell.

Speaker 4 (01:10:56):
You've asked me so I'm like, no, I can tell
it's funny story. It's not even a bad it's not
a bad story. It's a funny story, but funny story.
We don't have permission to tell that story.

Speaker 2 (01:11:03):
Okay, So all right, Morgan, they're on a great show.
You're on New Job's Talk Radio one oh five nine
k n rs.

Speaker 1 (01:11:10):
This is unusual for me. To the end, No, I
just had I had. I had to get going. I
I I was on the phone too much this morning
on a call, and so I got delayed and I
had to get.

Speaker 2 (01:11:21):
You don't have to explain to me. I was just asking.

Speaker 4 (01:11:23):
Yeah, I had plans I had.

Speaker 1 (01:11:25):
I wanted to stop and vote and head to my office,
and I ended up having to just go straight to
my office.

Speaker 2 (01:11:31):
All right, remember the does it? This name probably doesn't
ring a bell. Sean Charles done the sandwich hurler.

Speaker 1 (01:11:41):
I remember the guy throwing the sandwich. And he was
he was a federal employee, wasn't he what'd he work for?
He worked for the Attorney General's office or I don't know, somewhere.

Speaker 2 (01:11:49):
So something an attorney Well, the judge handling the cads
of Sean Charles done basically back in August. The judge says,
the case very simple. The instant which went viral and
social media. Remember that, wasn't it a sub sandwich?

Speaker 4 (01:12:05):
Yeah? Sandwich?

Speaker 2 (01:12:08):
Sub at the judge, But apparently the prosecutors wanted him
to be charged with a felony.

Speaker 4 (01:12:15):
The judge going going after a federal agent.

Speaker 2 (01:12:18):
So instead they've now reduced the charge to a misdemeanor,
which they're trying to get an eviction on and if convicted,
he could serve a year in jail for tossing a
sub sandwich.

Speaker 1 (01:12:28):
You know, there are serious misdemeanors. I mean there are
you know, no class Class A misdemeanors are serious misdemeanors,
and I don't know. I I think that one of
the things that you have to do is you can't
take people, you know, interfering with federal law enforcement, be
a foot long subway sandwich or anything else. I think
you can't act aggressively towards federal law enforcement. And there

(01:12:50):
should be a penalty, not just for the person who
did it, but to send a message that you can't intervene,
you can't get involved like this. I mean, the left
is trying to get the public to intervene in in
the the and ICE's efforts to enforce federal law. And
it's not gonna it's not gonna turn out well.

Speaker 2 (01:13:06):
So what Trump say, you spit we hit?

Speaker 4 (01:13:08):
Yes, I'm telling you, you.

Speaker 2 (01:13:10):
Throw a sandwich, will throw the book at you.

Speaker 1 (01:13:11):
And this isn't a new concept, by the way, I
have yet to ever, I don't ever remember giving a
member of law enforcement grief and it never working out
well for the person that. Did you ever watch cops?
I watched cops that it never worked out well for
people to give the police officers a trouble. You gotta comply,
you gotta you gotta be respectful.

Speaker 2 (01:13:29):
Yeah, And that's what I've always said, Greg. Over the years.
Of course, we've had confrontations between police and a suspect.
If the cop tells you to stop, stop, you got to.

Speaker 4 (01:13:37):
Yeah, you gotta.

Speaker 1 (01:13:39):
Defense attorneys will tell this to people. They will tell
their clients and they'll tell people free legal advice.

Speaker 4 (01:13:44):
You do not fight with you do not you do
not you comply?

Speaker 2 (01:13:48):
Does you no good whatsoever? Jessica? Not all right? More
coming up they're Roddy Greg Show and Talk Radio one
oh five nine k n R S you ran into
this this summer in your family. Yes, taking a trip
back to the nation's capital during the universe or the universities,
the museums back there, which I think are wonderful. I
love touring the museums back in Washington, d C. And

(01:14:09):
I haven't seen them all. I know you probably have.

Speaker 4 (01:14:12):
Because I've seen a lot, but you know, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:14:14):
Yeah, but you ran into a couple of displays that
were rather disturbing. That fair.

Speaker 4 (01:14:21):
That is a fair assessment.

Speaker 1 (01:14:22):
I look, if you're if it's Black Friday and we're
all trying to shop, you know, and I think that
that we're getting ripped off by the Walmart, and I
think there's predatory practices. I'm not quiet about it. So
the family's like, oh no, here goes Dad. He's going again.
And they're trying to and then, you know, and I
get I get stigmatized by the Hughes family that I
can't go on Black Friday because if I if I
spot funny business, I'm going to call it out.

Speaker 2 (01:14:43):
Well, then you didn't you tell me a story about
a TV that you tried to make.

Speaker 4 (01:14:46):
Yeah, predatory practice, that's what they did. They get.

Speaker 1 (01:14:49):
Yeah, there was supposed to be the doorbuster and then
they try to rob me for twice the price of it.
And I wasn't going I wasn't going down easy.

Speaker 4 (01:14:55):
I was not well.

Speaker 2 (01:14:56):
Apparently at the at the museums that you attended this
and went to visit along with your family, something offended you.

Speaker 1 (01:15:04):
Yes, yes, and that's why I'm looking forward to our guests,
because I got something to get off my chest. But
I will tell you this, this idea that we as
Americans loved circuses because we're just colonialists and we just
want to conquer the earth. I thought it was because
of all the clowns in the car. I thought it
was because lions are cool, and tigers are cool, and
bears are cool. And you know, I had a whole

(01:15:27):
different take than what they tried to tell me. I
think I was falsely accused in the American History librariy
as to my motivations for what it is I like about,
you know, America, and I complained loudly, and the kids
weren't all that happening.

Speaker 2 (01:15:40):
Well, the Heritage Foundation has stepped in to help out
people like you, mister who's a huge They've released an
interactive map of American historical sites. It aims to give
viewers an idea of what to expect from each site
as people are expected to travel this coming summer for
the two hundred and fiftieth birthday of the United States

(01:16:00):
of America. Joining us on our Newsmaker line to explain
all that is Brenda Hifera. She is assistant director of
the Center for American Studies at the Heritage Foundation. Brenda,
thank you very much for joining us tonight. Why did
you put this all together? Why was it so important
to you? Brenda?

Speaker 10 (01:16:16):
Well, it's unfortunate, isn't it. And I think this is
part of the reason we decided to do the Heritage
Guide to Historic Sites because people are countering this problem
more and more, which is that sites are distorting the
American story and American history. And there are some of
the more obvious distortions, like they contend that the Constitution

(01:16:37):
is pro slavery document or that all men are created
equal applied only to white property owning men. And then
there are the unknown unknowns, the things that you might
not even notice because no one's an expert in everything, right,
and you're going to these historic sites in order to learn,
So that is one of the most motivations behind the guide.

(01:17:00):
This car is why historic sites are joining this. It's
part of public education right, especially as our classrooms have
gotten worse. These are places where people go with their
families to learn our history, and the maintenance and stewardship
of memory is essential for preserving of republic. So the

(01:17:21):
historic sites are a target because transforming them is a
way to transform America.

Speaker 1 (01:17:26):
You know, I'm hoping the Heritage Guide has a new
and improved update. I was in as Rod mentioned, I
was in Washington, d C. With my family at the
end of July. At the beginning of August. We went
to the Smithsonian, It's American History museum, and I was
informed that Barnman and Bailey circus was very much popular
because we as Americans are colonialists. We want to capture

(01:17:47):
the world, and circuses are a way for us to
pretend that we're over We're conquering the world. I thought
it was all the clowns in the small car that
was really getting me. That's what I thought it was.
But apparently I just want to take over the whole world.
They picked Roger Staubach, you know, from the Naval Academy
versus the Muhammad Ali and his opposition to the Vietnam War,

(01:18:10):
and spoke about those two sports figures in those terms
in terms of their politics in the Vietnam War, not
in their individual athletic accomplishments. Has that place gotten? Tell
me that your guide says they fixed all that?

Speaker 4 (01:18:25):
Have they?

Speaker 2 (01:18:28):
No?

Speaker 10 (01:18:29):
I don't know that they've fixed everything, but it is
the site that we will be reviewing. We've just released
sites in the thirteen original colonies and we're going to
release the full map and it will have about one
hundred and thirty five sites. Right now it has about
forty five, and we'll release the full map in February
of twenty twenty six, Washington's birthday. So the view is

(01:18:52):
that we want American families to go to historic sites
to celebrate America two fifty. We're coming up on a
very important birthday next year, and we want people to
go to these sites. So that will be up by
that time and families will be able to take their
heritage historic site guy with them and see some of
the inaccurate, inaccuracies and the ideological bias we've identified at

(01:19:16):
museums like this.

Speaker 2 (01:19:17):
Brenda, why did you do do this? Why did heritage
do this. Were you getting the same complaints from people
like Greg and I who were saying, we can't seem
to enjoy these sites because all we hear are the
how negative and how wrong America is. Instead it was
right about America. Were you getting complaints as well?

Speaker 10 (01:19:37):
Yeah, we've gotten complace. I've experienced it myself. You know,
I love American history. I studied American political thought, and
I would go to these sites and I would notice
that people were distorting things, and sometimes in quite a
sneaky way. So just to give to give an example,
at James Madison Momtpailier, there are no exhibits dedication James Madison,

(01:20:01):
and the exhibit on a Constitution puts forth that it's
a pro slavery document. It points to the domestic Violence
and Insurrection clause and says that clause is primarily about
slaver volts, which is not accurate. It was a response
to Shave's rebellion. The founders saw that the Articles of
Confederation were too weak, and so they decided we needed

(01:20:23):
a constitution. So it's historically inaccurate that clause of course
would have applied to slaver volts. But they list five
slaver volts to try and back up that thesis, and
three of them happened after the Constitution was written. And
so it's those sorts of things that really are I

(01:20:44):
think are the worst and the most insidious.

Speaker 1 (01:20:47):
Well you use the word insidios. I was just going
to ask. I think some people might think, boy, are
they dumb. They're a bit dim, they don't get it.
They just let their biases, you know, cloud history, and
so they're getting it wrong. But maybe not intentionally. I
think there's an agenda behind this. Maybe you could share
your thoughts. I don't know that this is in competence
we're looking at. No.

Speaker 10 (01:21:08):
I think that's that's right. You know, there's there's always
room firm competence. But I think it's ideologically driven in
many cases. So part of it is the national story
of what's happening since about twenty twenty people have called
that the Great awokening, Right, there was this national push
and that historic sites got swept up in that national push.

(01:21:30):
And then there's the story of what happened in individual
sites and who's in charge, who they invited in so
mont Hillier, they invited the Southern Poverty Law Center in
and associates involved with that they've adopted. You know, really
the narrative of the sixteen nineteen project had a big
influence and was perpetuated with a lot of these sites,

(01:21:51):
and they've gotten into the curriculum business. So it's very deliberate,
it's very you know, they engage in cherry picking in
a way, and they phrase things in a way that
if you're if you're not paying attention or you've just
been an expert, right, No one can be an expert
in everything you might not know.

Speaker 2 (01:22:08):
Final question for you, Brenda, how important is it to
have this guide ready as we get ready to celebrate
two hundred and fifty years? How important is it for
people to have this? And if they want it, where
would they go and get it? Right now?

Speaker 10 (01:22:23):
Well, I'm totally biased and it's my project, so I
say very important.

Speaker 2 (01:22:26):
Yeah, but we'll like you get away with that one.
That's okay, I agree with you.

Speaker 9 (01:22:33):
You know.

Speaker 10 (01:22:34):
My big hope the product is available at historic Sites
dot Heritage dot org. And what I really want and
hope is that American families will go to these sites
to celebrate America TEO fifty this summer. They'll go with
their grandparents, with the parents, with their children, and they'll
go to these real world activities that are increasingly rare.

(01:22:57):
It's increasingly rare that we share things together as a family,
and those are important for unity as family. That's important
for our national unity that we perpetuate and know the
American story, that we rediscover our heritage. So I want
people to go, and I want this guide to be
a supplement. It has educational resources and explains why the

(01:23:20):
site is significant, you know, book recommendations, that sort of thing,
and then it identifies those inaccuracies by someone who really
knows it. So we try to have our evaluators their
background matches the site themselves. So for example, a poet
reviewed Edgar Allan Poe's house, and that means that they're

(01:23:40):
bringing accountability, but also they're going to provide a really
interesting perspective because this is something that they love. So
I really recommend it. I think it's a great resource.

Speaker 2 (01:23:51):
Brenda Hafera, she is the assistant director at the Center
for American Studies there at the Heritage Foundation, talking about
a Heritage Guide to his or excites coming up final
segment of the Rod and Greg Show. Some stunny news
coming out of this off your election. We'll tell you
what that is coming up next right here on Utah's
Talk Radio one O five to nine. Okay, n RS,

(01:24:12):
I think Greg some rather stunning news coming out of
this off your election night out of the state of Virginia.
Democrat Jay Jones is the new attorney general for the
state of Virginia.

Speaker 1 (01:24:22):
If you don't remember, if that name doesn't ring a bell,
he'd be the one whose text messages were revealed to
imagine the murder of then Speaker of the House House
Speaker he was in the Yeah, his wife and their children,
and his argument to the person the other house Collague
he was texting was some of the times people have
to die to understand the issues or make or change

(01:24:45):
their position on an issue. And I guess apparently the
voters of West Virginia don't think that that disqualifies someone
from being the top law enforcement official in your state.
That you can fantasize the murder of of your political
opponent and their family and you think that it actually
is a way to persuade or to compel people to

(01:25:07):
see things your way politically. I think that is pretty shocking.

Speaker 2 (01:25:11):
Yeah, well, National Review Online revealed several weeks ago these
text messages about the Republican Speaker of the House. I
believe at the time Todd Gilbert was his name, right, Well,
Jones basically called Gilbert's young sons little fascist. He threatened
to kill Gilbert, and he hoped that their boys would
die in their mother's arms. Yeah, that's what this guy said.

(01:25:34):
Now you look at this and say, did this impact
anybody in Virginia. Here's what it found. They ask people
if these text messages sent by Jones should be disqualified.
Forty five percent of Virginia voters said yes, concerning but
not disqualifying. Twenty five percent haven't heard enough, seventeen percent,

(01:25:57):
no reason for concern ten percent. So you have Virginia's
top law enforcement officer in this, j Jones, Yeah, who
has texted out messages violent rhetoric against his political opponent
years ago, and you aren't that concerned about it that
that's stunning.

Speaker 4 (01:26:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:26:18):
I don't know what you're voting for. I don't know
what you want out of a public servant other than
that they're not murderous, that they're not homicidal. I think
those would be disqualifying qualities of someone running for office
without regard to the party that they're running. I mean,
let's go back and think of when was it Dean?
What was his first Howard Howard Dean? He won that

(01:26:39):
primary surprisingly and he just kind of he was so excited,
he kind of just let out this primal yell and
it was just off putting and he got you never
saw him again. That's nothing compared to a guy who's
you caught talking about how he wanted to And by
the way, it was like, what was it Hitler and
Polepott and him, he'd sooner put two bullets in in
his former speaker, his colleague than Hitler or Poulpotts and

(01:27:04):
then all of it. It's just to say to share
what those techs said, and to think that tonight, that
man just won a statewide race for attorney general law
top law enforcement official and officer in Virginia, I don't know, well,
it's it blows my mind.

Speaker 2 (01:27:21):
Isn't Virginia historically very important to the United States of America?
Didn't several presidents come out of that state? Jefferson? I
mean there were several, right, yeah, But then on top
of this whole Jones story, you have Abigail Spamberger, who
tonight won the governorship. What does Spamburger believe in? She
thinks it's okay for men to be in women's bathrooms. Yep,

(01:27:41):
she's just fine with that.

Speaker 1 (01:27:43):
Yes, she says that's a local decision. You know, she's
just she dodged it. She dodged the question. She she's
going to she is going to advocate for that. That's
she never said no. And I just I just think, well,
I think a lot of federal employees must work or
must live and reside in.

Speaker 4 (01:28:01):
Virginia, Fairfax Countary.

Speaker 1 (01:28:03):
If you look at Washington, d C. And how strong,
how leftist it is. I mean, that's why you can't
get a jury of your peers if you're a Republican.
If you're a Democrat and you've been accused of a
crime that would harm a Republican, you're scott free to
worry about.

Speaker 2 (01:28:16):
Well, looking tonight, you gut Spamberger saying she's okay with
men in women's bathrooms. You've got j Jones from Virginia saying, eh, yeah,
I send a text message wanting to put a couple
of bullets into my opponent. Apparently voters thinks that's okay.
In New Jersey, the race has not been called yet,
but Mikey Sheryl, the Democrat there, thinks it's just fine
that LGBTQ curriculum is introduced in elementary schools and parents

(01:28:41):
cannot opt out of it.

Speaker 4 (01:28:43):
She's fine.

Speaker 2 (01:28:43):
She doesn't want them to. She doesn't think they should
learn about the gay community and the struggles is faced
over all the years in the United States.

Speaker 1 (01:28:51):
Yeah, and again that's not a disqualifier. So look, I
we'll see I I We'll see what happens in New Jersey.
I would have thought Virginia was more attainable for a
Republican to win than New Jersey. But uh, you know
that race was a lot closer than people thought it
would be last time around. And we'll see what happens tonight.
But man, I'm just glad I live in Utah.

Speaker 2 (01:29:14):
You read my mind. I was just about say that
let all the wackos live on these hypes.

Speaker 4 (01:29:19):
They can all stay out there, and it is a
crazy time.

Speaker 2 (01:29:22):
We have a few here, just a few, and they're
trying to wiggle their way into things right now. That's
why you know, this whole inclusiveness in Utah stop it. Yeah,
it's stop it. You gotta we got to hold to
our values. We've got to be unapologetic about it. You
can be nice, you can be cordial, you can you
love your fellow man, fellow being, all of that, but
you don't have to embrace things you know are wrong.

(01:29:44):
And that's what you're seeing play out. That doesn't for us. Tonight,
Head up, shoulders back, Thy God bless you and your
family and this great, great country of ours. Thank you
very much for listening. We're back tomorrow at four

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