The Rod and Greg Show: SL County GOP Chair Mike Carey on Raucous Town Hall with Kennedy and Maloy

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I wasn't gonna miss a single episode, not one episode.
I was gonna do whatever it takes so I could
be with you, with e Ray and with our audience
no matter what. So I'm I'm I'm you know, whatever
cross I have to bear, Rod, I'm here, I'm here.

Speaker 2 (00:14):
You are such a dedicated employee. What are you doing
trying to get employee of the month for crying out loud?

Speaker 1 (00:21):
Do we have such Just want our listeners to know
I don't. I'll never leave them behind. I'll never leave
them behind. I'm like a I'm like a marine that way.
Wherever I go, I'm gonna I'm taking a show with me.

Speaker 2 (00:32):
That is very gracious of you. Well, it's great to
be with you on this Friday afternoon. We always enjoy
Friday because it is the end of the week and
we head into the weekend. Greg, down in San Diego,
I'll be here at home, suffering through the cold and snow.
I just want you know that's my dedication to our
great listeners.

Speaker 3 (00:49):
Greg.

Speaker 1 (00:49):
I just thought, well, I had I had to wear
a hoodie this morning. It was kind of chilly, you know, And.

Speaker 2 (00:55):
Now you're in your speedo and your T shirt for
crying out loud.

Speaker 1 (01:01):
No speedo, folks, that would be fake news.

Speaker 2 (01:03):
That would be gross eight eight eight five sevenage zero
one zero triple eight five seven oaight zero one zero,
or on your cell phone dial pound two fifty and
say hey, Rod if you'd like to join the show,
and we've got a lot to talk about today. We
are going to share with you a story about a
government agency and there are about two hundred people who
belonged to this agency and each and every one of

(01:26):
them living like a king on our tax dollars. It's
something that Doge has found out. We'll get into that.

Speaker 1 (01:35):
Yeah, folks, sure I to hear the details. These are
just these stories are just they're they're gonna blow your mind.
Just when you thought you've heard everything that you could
hear about government waste, fraud and abuse, you'll get a
whole new version in our interview coming up this hour,
because there's ways to spend and waste that you didn't
even think of. They did, though, Yeah, we'll share.

Speaker 2 (01:55):
They sure did. Wow, Greg, what a town hall meeting
up of the University of last night got kind of rowdy.
Kudos to Mike Kennedy and Celeste Malloy. Through for sitting
through that crap. But we're going to get into that.
We're going to talk with the chairman of the Salt
Lake County Republican Party. He was there. He'll share his
thoughts and we'll get your thoughts on a little bit later.

(02:15):
But boy, I don't think the Democrats are doing themselves
any good. But I want to say, like you've been saying, Greg,
just keep on doing it. You'll see what you really are,
and the American people will say what you really are.

Speaker 1 (02:26):
Operation let them speak. They can keep yelling and screaming
and attacking people that are finding waste, fraud and abuse,
those that want don't want boys to play girls, sports,
all of it. Let them just be outraged over all
these things. Let them destroy property, let them act like
domestic terrorists. They're making the point, you know, better than
we can.

Speaker 2 (02:45):
Yeah, yeah, they are all right. So we've got a
lot to get today. Of course, a little bit later on,
we'll go to Panama and talk with an official from
the Heritage Foundation who is on his way home. He's
going to talk about the Black Lives Matter ap pliza.
They're in Washington being taken up and wait to hear
the amount of money that CEOs of Planned Parenthood, a

(03:05):
nonprofit organization that our tax dollars go to. How much
those CEOs are being paid, it's pretty amazing.

Speaker 3 (03:12):
Greg.

Speaker 2 (03:12):
All right, let's start off the show today. What was
that great line, Greg from the movie The Godfather. We'll
make him an offer they can't refuse. Well, there's a
new twist to it. Now, I'm making you an offer,
and I bet you'll refuse it.

Speaker 1 (03:29):
Yeah, do you tell me?

Speaker 2 (03:30):
And that offer is coming from one Joe Biden, who
is now telling yeah, you'll love this, who is now
telling his Democratic leaders around the country he'll raise money,
he'll campaign, he'll do anything else necessary for the Democrats
to recover lost ground to Donald Trump. Now, if Joe
Biden called you, and you're a Democrat in some county,

(03:53):
say hey, I'll come in campaign for you, would you
take that offer?

Speaker 4 (03:57):
Greg?

Speaker 1 (03:59):
I know I would not. I would think I'd say,
thanks for playing. You can go ahead and sit on
that beach and ride that bike and fall over and
do whatever it is that you do. But we don't
need any more of that around here anymore. I think, Yeah,
I don't think that. He probably doesn't have a long
list I'll bet you his voicemail box isn't full.

Speaker 2 (04:16):
I'll bet you well has he Has he been offered
a book contract yet?

Speaker 1 (04:21):
I think I wouldn't know, but I can only guess
that his his contributions for our Presidential Library are probably
not coming in very strong. I don't know if they
think he could write a book. Maybe he could have
the auto signer auto write the book for him. I
don't know. I think I think poor Hunter's art isn't
worth as much as it used to be. Somehow, I

(04:42):
don't know how that worked. And so I think that,
you know, for grifters who are making money on the office,
their stock is down and they need to raise that stock,
raise their profile, and so they're begging the Democrats to
give them a platform to do that. And I don't
think there's gonna be a lot of take. I would
actually think with the Democrats as bad as they are

(05:03):
in the aftermath of this election of President Trump, that
they would go to the to Biden. Why not? I
mean out they're not saying anything else that's better than
what he was saying. You think that they would, But
I mean, even they have their limits.

Speaker 2 (05:15):
I guess did he get any money for a library.
I don't recall that. I mean, he was struggling to
get money to build the presidential library. Why he needs one,
you know, you could put it in a clack.

Speaker 1 (05:27):
I think rodd back when we were right around the
time of the National Republican National Convention, when there was
talk that he might drop out, I think one of
the topics was would he be able to raise enough
money for a presidential library if he did bow out early?
And so I don't know. Maybe he got a little
bit of a head start on the fundraising for his

(05:48):
library when he was still the nominee, but I would
suspect that those dollars have dried up long ago. Nobody's
looking to contribute to any of that now. I mean
maybe legal defense funds they could do, but not not
for presidential libraries or book deals.

Speaker 2 (06:03):
Yeah, when word of this was announced today, Jay hear
what Trump had to say. He was asked about the
Biden's getting back into the game. You know what he said,
what I hope?

Speaker 1 (06:14):
So, yeah, that's what I'm saying. I was like, well,
DEMOCRASTU really haven't been good at coming getting on message
or saying anything that's different than what lost them every
you know, the House, the Senate, and the Presidency. They
seem to be doing doubling down on all of it.
So you think they double down on Biden, but not yet.
Haven't seen it yet. But I'm with Trump, I hope.

(06:35):
So yeah, yeah, let the operation. Let them speak, operation,
let Joe Biden speak.

Speaker 2 (06:39):
By the way, the Air Force introduced a new fighter
jet today. This will tick off the Democrats. It's going
to be called the F forty seven.

Speaker 1 (06:50):
I love that, you know, force is so good.

Speaker 2 (06:54):
I love it. Now one other story before we get
the show really rolling today. You know you you you
buy a pizza now and you pay it later. What
about that concept?

Speaker 1 (07:06):
Yeah? This, this whole I'm telling you this pay You
know this? What is an easy pay system for door
dash folks? I mean, I don't think any of our
listening audience would ever, down to a single listener whatever,
wouldever do a layaway plan for a pizza delivery. But
I I don't think it's financially wise. But for anyone,

(07:26):
if you know anybody that is even considering such a scenario,
I would just discourage them from doing it. I don't
know how any of that would work. I don't even
know I you tip at that point the door Dash guy,
if it's three you know, if it's an easy pay system,
and I don't know, it's it seems like it's a
uh it's a bad idea.

Speaker 2 (07:45):
Well have you ever used door Dash? I never have?

Speaker 1 (07:48):
Have I do? They've a charger for it. I mean
you can go down and go get it yourself and
you'll you'll save money right there, right off the top.
But uh no, I've I've used door Dash and you know,
my kids are more into it than I am, but
they but yeah, I've used it. And that's why I
don't understand the easy pay because you got to tip them. Yeah,

(08:09):
so what are you gonna do? You're gonna tip them
and lay away plan? I mean, I don't understand it.

Speaker 2 (08:13):
Well, if you aren't aware of this, door Dash today
announced that it is now partnering with payment service Klarna,
and some experts say, buy now, pay later leads to
purchases shoppers don't need and probably cannot afford, but they're
going why not go into debt? Even more America is
swimming in debt. Why not do more of that? Greg?
I you know, if you have to pay later now

(08:35):
for a slice of pizza. You need to re examine
your life.

Speaker 1 (08:39):
Well, think about it, Rod, It's kind of what the
federal government does right now. They're paying over a trillion
dollars in interest on this thirty six trillion dollars of debt.
So a trillion of our two trillion dollar deficit spending
is just for the interest paid. It's kind of like
it's actually a lot lot worse than payments to door
dash for your real I think that would be fiscal

(09:00):
rock ribbed conservative responsibility compared to how the federal government's
been running it's books.

Speaker 2 (09:06):
Yeah, late, all right, a lot to give to today.
When we come back after a break, we'll tell you
about a federal agency that each and every one of
the people who work for that agency are living like
kings thanks to our tax dollars. That's coming up. Great
to be with you on this Friday, Think Rod and
Greg gets Friday on Utah's Talk Radio one oh five
nine knrs. All right, Greg, let's get to what you

(09:28):
were talking about. Joining us on our newsmaker line now
is Luke Rosiaic. Luke is an investigative reporter does a
lot of great work, but about a year ago he
started looking at this agency and now that more information
has been released, found out a lot of very interesting
stories about it. Luke, thanks for joining us today. All right, Luke,
you're right about an agency called the Federal Mediation and

(09:49):
Conciliation Service. Exactly, Luke, what is that?

Speaker 5 (09:53):
Well, a week ago Trump and Doge cut seven small
little h they call him in the into agencies basically
little boards and tiny little federal offices that nobody ever.

Speaker 3 (10:05):
Really heard of before.

Speaker 5 (10:07):
And so one of them was like Voice of America
that does the state run propaganda. There was Minority Business
Development Association, a couple of little, tiny commissions, and then
this one Federal Mediation and Conciliation Service. And it's really
the epitome of why Dodge Doge exists. I mean, this
is supposed to exist to do some sort of brokering

(10:29):
deals between businesses and unions, the kind of things you
could people hire private arbitrators to do all the time.
But they basically just used this agency to live lives
of luxury. It's like nobody knew they existed outside out
of mind. They had a nine story office building on
prime real estate in d C for only sixty employees,

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and they would do things like have oil paintings of
those employees, commissioned some of the artwork from the director's wife,
and they basically pimped out this office building to be
like their clubhouse. It had a personal gym, it had
a smoking lounge, they had showers in their individual offices.

Speaker 6 (11:14):
They were just living living like kings.

Speaker 1 (11:18):
You There's even example where somebody who's working there, maybe
one of the CEO or something, maintained a residence that
was out of state so that he could argue for
six straight years he was on a business trip so
that his so his mortgage or his you know, his
expenses for living and food and everything would be covered

(11:39):
under the category of a business trip for six years.
There were investigations on this, there were whistleblowers. How did
this not ever get just shut down because of it's
it's blatant a fraud.

Speaker 5 (11:56):
Yeah, I mean, it's truly. I mean they just pretended
that he was traveling DC for six months straight when
really he lived there so that he could get one
hundred and seventy four thousand dollars salary, but he didn't
have to pay for a single meal. He could go
out to restaurants for three meals a day and bill
it to the government. His rent was paid for. And
there were multiple people that were doing that kind of thing,

(12:16):
put it listing them as living somewhere where they didn't
so that they could basically swindle money.

Speaker 6 (12:21):
Out of taxpayers.

Speaker 5 (12:23):
And there were times when a few conscientious employees tried
to blow the whistle and there was an audit, like
an inspector general did something that, you know, it seemed
like he was about to go to the FBI, and then.

Speaker 6 (12:36):
They just fire the investigators.

Speaker 5 (12:39):
One point, they did a bunch of crazy stuff with
these credit cards, and somebody emailed the agency that's in
charge of the credit cards, and the director, George Cohen,
wrote an email pretending to be from that that whistleblower
were sending her complaint.

Speaker 6 (12:55):
And so the credit cards thing was basically anything.

Speaker 5 (12:58):
First of all, they have their block government credit cards
are blocked, so you can't just use them like at
the bar or whatever. They did something to call on
block them so that they could spend them wherever they wanted,
and they did. They leased BMW's. One guy was paying
his wife's cell phone bill with this.

Speaker 6 (13:16):
One guy was paying.

Speaker 5 (13:17):
For the golf channel at his vacation home with his
government credit card. One guy spent eighteen thousand dollars at
a jewelry store.

Speaker 6 (13:25):
It's truly insane. I mean.

Speaker 5 (13:27):
Another guy retired from the agency and right after that
he created sort of a mystery LLC and had his buddy,
who still worked at the agency, us his credit card
to pay this mystery LLC eighty five thousand dollars.

Speaker 6 (13:42):
The examples go on, and on.

Speaker 5 (13:44):
The final one I'll rattle off is one guy was
renting a storage facility even after he retired. They were
just paying for his personal storage facility. They finally opened
it up and he just had all of his personal
items inside, including a photo album of his dog.

Speaker 2 (14:00):
What I want to know, Luke, is you were you were?
You were saying that one of the employees would buy
his wife's art work and for the agency. I mean,
was the artwork any good? Do we do? We know
if it was any good?

Speaker 4 (14:13):
Luke?

Speaker 6 (14:14):
You know I was thinking about that today.

Speaker 5 (14:15):
I would really like to see the oil portrait, oil
paintings of these these employees, because these are people that
nobody ever heard of. You know, you're you're head of
an agency that's got like two hundred people. You're not
that big of a deal. You don't need your own
oil painting. But yeah, nobody even knew what his agency did.
Nobody was really asking for its services. And so they

(14:37):
would travel all across Europe. They would go to islands
off the coast of Greece, they would go to you know,
all kinds of that. They had an office in Honolulu
for some reason, but they would travel all these and
they would say, well, we're just trying to, you know,
build awareness of our agency. So maybe if somebody wants

(14:57):
a union, just be mediated, they'll come to us. Keep
in mind, you're not going to find them over in
Greece because this is a US agency.

Speaker 6 (15:04):
But they were pretty open about it.

Speaker 5 (15:05):
I mean, one lady was billing the agency for mileage
to drive for her vacation house in Maine. I mean truly,
this agency was their own personal fiefdom and slush fund.
And you know, you're not going to balance the federal
budget by cutting these tiny little agencies. But they're a
really good example of what bureaucracy does when left to

(15:27):
its own devices. Because these so called these little agencies,
they're not part of a cabinet agency, so they're the
only boss on top of the top guy is the president.
But the president's got other things on his blades, and
nobody's ever looking over the shoulder of these things. And
if they can get away with it, this is what
happens in bureaucracies, is they start functioning not for any

(15:48):
not to serve any particular purpose. The purpose becomes paying
the staff and giving a nice life to the staff.

Speaker 1 (15:57):
So real quickly, is this a silver bullet that they're there.
This is unprecedented graft, uh and and waste and never
seen before and we have found its only example in
the federal government or is this just a taste of
what must be happening throughout our federal government.

Speaker 5 (16:14):
I think the the uselessness of it is probably pretty typical,
where there are people with jobs that really nobody is
asking for their services and they just make they do
make work. And the you know, the examples can see
people just check out the story on Delhi wire dot
com because it goes on and on.

Speaker 6 (16:29):
I mean, they've got this nine story building. They'll be like,
this week, we're gonna do a hallway.

Speaker 5 (16:33):
Improvement project and they'll hire a contractor to redecorate. You know,
it becomes work that is solely it's internal work.

Speaker 6 (16:41):
It doesn't do anything.

Speaker 5 (16:42):
It's just I think that's very common across the government.

Speaker 7 (16:46):
Some of the examples.

Speaker 5 (16:47):
I mean, they I don't know if I can say
it's a criminal, but it sure seems criminal to me.
Went on and the personnel fraud, I don't think that's
super common. I think this is an extreme example. But
again it's just because they could get a way with
it here because they weren't part of a larger agency
with more people looking over their shoulders. So I think
the waste of money is extremely common, the over the

(17:11):
top fraud. This is probably an outlier, but still illustrative
of why we have DOGE.

Speaker 6 (17:17):
And when you see these.

Speaker 5 (17:18):
Examples, which are all documented, and you hear people say
dough is crazy, nouneer, this happens, Well, it does happen.

Speaker 6 (17:25):
It happened right here.

Speaker 5 (17:26):
And by the way, you know, I did this investigation
years ago and nobody did anything about it, and so
it's all kind of been out in the open. So
that goes to I think the lack of accountability is
this kind of thing can happen in the government, and
until now people were just kind of okay.

Speaker 2 (17:40):
With it Luke Crazy joining us. He's an investigative reporter
with Daily Why are you talking about this runaway federal
agency and how they're spending our money? Greg? And you
know as I as we were talking with Luke, what
came to mind is I wonder if you presented this
case to all those people up at the U last
night and the town hall meeting instance, do you favor

(18:01):
an agency spending money like this? Are you in favor
of this? What do you think their response would be, Greg?
I don't know if they would know how to respond
to it.

Speaker 1 (18:08):
No, it would be denial. Rod. They say, where are
the receipts, And we'd say, well, here's an inspector General reports.
In the interview and even in his article, it lays
out that even during the Obama administration, they knew there
was problems here, or they started to know there were problems,
whistleblowers came forward, and then they would bury it. They
they would bury this for years and years and years.
You could say that to anyone that went to that

(18:29):
town hall last night, and they would just reject any
of that as being valid because it's it's they're not
interested in the truth at all.

Speaker 2 (18:37):
They aren't all right. We've got a whole lot more
to come for you on this Friday afternoon right here
on the Rod and Greg Show in Utah's Talk Radio
one O five to nine knrs.

Speaker 1 (18:45):
But I wasn't gonna miss the show, Rod, I wasn't
gonna do it, no way, I'm.

Speaker 2 (18:49):
Gonna yeah, making me look at the backdrop of the
ocean waves rolling in. You know how mean that is.

Speaker 1 (18:56):
We have cameras going so I can see, so I
wouldn't miss e. Ray. I get to see e race
pretty face, and I get to see you as well,
Rud and so it's it's good. It's good to see
you guys, and we get to that.

Speaker 2 (19:05):
You in the ocean.

Speaker 3 (19:06):
Thanks.

Speaker 2 (19:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (19:09):
Yeah, it's a hard life. But you know, I'm dedicated.
I'll never like I'm like, I'm Marine. I'm never leaving
the show behind. I'm never leaving this audience behind no
matter what.

Speaker 2 (19:18):
Well, thank you appreciate your dedication. Well. Utah's newest Congressman,
Mike Kennedy, heading into that town hall meeting last night,
said he went there because he wanted to show the
rest of the nation that Utah. Here, in Utah, we
could have a very constructive, peaceful town hall meeting, unlike
what we've seen around the rest of the country. Well,
guess what, it didn't turn out that way. And we're

(19:41):
no different from people around the country who just want
to bark, yell, scream and boo at anything Donald Trump touches.

Speaker 3 (19:47):
Greg.

Speaker 1 (19:49):
You know, if you're going to have that meeting at
the University of Utah in Salt Lake City, you were
already asking for it. And when the and the tickets,
they had tickets that they you had to get online
that when they get so out inside of twenty minutes,
you know, the fixes in and it was it was
it was Yeah.

Speaker 2 (20:05):
Joining us on our Newsbanker line to talk about that
very loud Rocketstown meeting last night is Mike Carrey, chair
of the Salt Lake County Republican Party. He was at
the meeting last night. Mike, give us your thoughts.

Speaker 8 (20:17):
Well, you know, I got it. I was able to
get in there pretty pretty late. Actually thankfully someone called
and got me on the list because I had heard
that the tickets had been booked up in less than
twenty minutes. So it clearly, you know, for such a
poorly advertised event to see see get inundated with traffic

(20:38):
and overwhelmed, and then obviously eighty plus percent of the
room and there were vehemently against the UH, the current
administration and anybody with an R after their name.

Speaker 3 (20:49):
You know, it's obvious what's going on.

Speaker 8 (20:50):
There's like this UH, there's like this movement, you know,
to monitor and try to sabotage town hall so that
people can't actually have a conversation with their Congress people.

Speaker 1 (21:00):
So my reason we're calling you is the part of
the congratulations by the way of leading the Salt Lake
County Republican Party, we need. I think our members of
Congress would probably attempt some diplomacy in this moment, and
I don't want that. I want someone to tell our
listeners what this is, because, as you've just said, those
tickets were sold out in twenty minutes. I'm a recovering

(21:22):
public servant. You don't you could send up flare guns.
You can't get people looks on the public meetings because
they're so busy. People are busy. This is a coordinated effort.
So I would like you to share with our listeners
what's the tone, the vitriol, the type of people that
were drawn to this meeting with media watching and taking pictures.
How much of a setup was it? And how to

(21:42):
the left are these people that attended this meeting. It
wasn't just everyday citizens showing up to hear from their
congress member. I wouldn't imagine.

Speaker 6 (21:50):
Well, I think.

Speaker 3 (21:51):
That, you know, from the looks of it. You know,
never judge a book by its cover.

Speaker 8 (21:55):
But from the looks of the room, I mean, listen,
there are some people in there that are clearly educated,
clearly well off, but they're clearly not interested in open
debate or fruitful debate.

Speaker 3 (22:04):
Okay, I was in that room.

Speaker 8 (22:06):
For an hour, and uh, sitting next to some other
you know, some elected officials that are you know, obviously Republicans.
Wasn't sitting with the Dems, guys, I promised the uh.
But but there wasn't a single question that was allowed
to be answered in complete. The second they heard a
snippet that they did not approve of or did not like,
the whole room just turned into, you know, just loud

(22:29):
and obnoxious and fifty people shouting over each other. They
couldn't even I was sitting at the front right corner
of the room. I couldn't even hear half the comments
from the from the peanut gallery because they were just
all hooting and hollering and shouting over each other. And
then really what really was the most kind of despicable
thing for me Towards towards the end of this session,
you know, they had this chat room where people can

(22:49):
submit their questions. You had repeatedly people making insulting comments
about Representative Malloy's hair.

Speaker 3 (22:58):
And then you had Mike Kennedy.

Speaker 8 (23:00):
You go up and pull a selfie because he was
doing you know, he had to leave like five minutes
early for another commitment. He goes to pull a selfie
and there's you know, probably twenty five thirty people behind him,
all given him the finger into the camera.

Speaker 3 (23:11):
I mean, it's just juvenile tactics.

Speaker 9 (23:13):
You know.

Speaker 8 (23:13):
I think my seventh grade lacrosse team had better manners
than this than they were all boys. But but you know,
it's just, you know, it's clearly a coordinated attack. And
I think what's obvious now is that the Democrat Party
and there and their lack of leadership, their lack of strategy,
their lack of really just maturity at this point in

(23:39):
any of those things. You know, having a strategy, you know,
being able to have fruitful debate. But me, I think
that the lack of that is being is coming through
on the kind of the main street inn you know,
the main street interchanges.

Speaker 3 (23:53):
Now, so what do they do? They're just oh, well,
look at you.

Speaker 8 (23:56):
You know, I've I've had J six thrown at me
like crazy for the last twenty four hours, like oh,
like that's some excuse. So you know, you guys call that, uh,
you know, an insurrection. And now you're saying that you
know you're gonna stoop to our level.

Speaker 3 (24:08):
Wow, that's real brave, you know my game. It's just ridiculous.

Speaker 2 (24:13):
Well does it? Does it? There's the Democratic Party any
good here in this state of Utah? I mean they're
small to begin with. Does it do many good to
behave like this?

Speaker 3 (24:22):
I don't think so. I mean, frankly, guys, I'm all
for having like a good competitor.

Speaker 8 (24:27):
You know, I think I think it keeps us honest.

Speaker 3 (24:32):
You know, I think I think it plays more to
main street.

Speaker 8 (24:34):
You know, I'm old enough to remember where the uh
the kind of neocons, and I've lived in DC at
the time, but where the neocons got a little ahead
of themselves back in twenty ten, in two thousand. Uh,
you know, in the in the late oughts. If you will,
and you know, and you can, you can get a

(24:55):
little too drunk on your own power.

Speaker 3 (24:57):
So I actually, and I'm not saying that we have
that problem here in Utah.

Speaker 8 (24:59):
I'm just saying that that's it's healthy to have resistance,
it's healthy to have something new grind against. So I
would rather have a worthy competitor, you know, as a
Republican party that's getting its act together, then you know,
just be dealing with the circus, you know.

Speaker 1 (25:16):
So mykes, I like how you're framed. I like how
you're framing that, and I agree. So my thought is
we've seen this, this circus play out in town halls
across the country. Do you think this, uh, what we
saw last night with two members of our delegation from Congress,
with the kind of people of the response, the giving
people the bird, is this fall under Louisiana Senator Kennedy's

(25:39):
operation let them speak and let them just show that
they're just not up for the job. Was that smart
to hold a town hall like that so that you
could let the people see that kind of response, or
do we should we avoid and knowing that there's not
a serious conversation happening. Strategically speaking, what would you recommend
for our members of Congress who want to be available,
but that was an available last night, that was a circus.

(26:02):
Would you want that to show what the Democrats are
doing more for the public to see or should we
just avoid even getting into those moments like last night?

Speaker 8 (26:12):
No, I think I think you're damned if you do,
you damned if you don't. Right, So you have to
engage them and let them show their true colors. You know,
there was no Democrat leadership there last night. If they were,
they weren't. They didn't have the stones to stand up
and say.

Speaker 3 (26:25):
What are you doing?

Speaker 7 (26:26):
You know?

Speaker 8 (26:27):
Yeah, like this is what you think is going to
attract more people to our to our cause, to our party,
you know, I mean it will do the exact opposite.
And I can say the same for folks on the right, Okay,
you know, like we have to do Like I am
actively working with the staunches Republicans and you know, some
of the most staunch Republicans and people that ran against

(26:49):
me for the county chair position and ran ran an
opposing slate. You know, that is very patriotic, loves you
tak dearly, and they're kind of they've lost they've lost
faith in some Republicans that they believe they have their back.
So you know, I'm doing my own outreach within my
party to try to you know, to let them know, like, listen,
I understand your frustration.

Speaker 3 (27:11):
Okay, this stuff doesn't like it. You don't flip a
switch overnight. Okay.

Speaker 8 (27:15):
The Republican parties are the Democrat parties not even at
that stage right now.

Speaker 3 (27:19):
They're just complete disarrayed by all visible accounts.

Speaker 2 (27:24):
Mike Kerry, he is the newly elected chairman of the
Salt Lake County Republican Party, and his reaction to the
town hall media last night, Greg in the five o'clock hour,
I want to open up the phones and you know,
I'll get a reaction from our listeners as to what
they saw last night or heard about what that that
session took, what took place at that town hall lasting.

(27:44):
I want to know from our listeners if they think
that group that went after our congressional delegation really reflect
the views of most few times I don't think it does.

Speaker 1 (27:54):
Yeah, And I want to know people think they should
go to those and give them that stage to let
them show their colors, or if we should just avoid
the circus entirely. So I would love to know what
our listeners think on those fronts.

Speaker 2 (28:05):
All right, we'll get into that with you on the
coming hour. It is the Roder and Greg Show on
Utah's Talk Radio one oh five nine. Ken al right,
I'm citizen in Hughes and I'm Roder Kent coming up
in the five o'clock hour, as we do every Friday.
It is thank Rod and Greg. It's Friday hour, and
that's when we open up the phones to you. Certainly,
I would think that many of you may have a
thought or two about that town hall meeting up with

(28:25):
the you last night in which two members of our
congressional delegation were attacked verbally, not physically. But we'll get
into that and get your reaction to it. But uh,
there is other other news or other news, other stories
in the news today.

Speaker 1 (28:39):
Greg, Yeah, Well, what I want to do for our listeners.
We're talking about how everything the Democrats are doing is
to tear down, to destroy, to attack Tesla, to create
fear amongst the public, just to try and create a
recoil of chaos. It's they're the authors of it. A
lot of Americans don't care. They just don't want to
live in a chaotic world or life, and so that's
why that type of behavior works. Let me give you

(28:59):
some good news happening out there. JP Morgan just just
reported that while maybe institutional investors or maybe the left
is attacking Tesla, JP Morgan is saying that retail investors
are buying Tesla stock at a pace that has never
been seen before. In thirteen straight sessions of trading, eight
billion dollars of retail stock sales buying Tesla stock has

(29:24):
happened since through yesterday. That's never been seen before. That's
the American people coming together seeing Tesla actually at a
low stock price right now where it would be smart
to buy. How about this the EU, remember the big tach,
the big tariff on whiskey, fifty percent on our bourbon
and American whiskey. They've put the brakes on it. It's
a pause, like we've heard Canada put pauses on their

(29:46):
retaliatory tariffs. These tariffs everybody cries about and criticizes Trump about.
They come out and by way of headlines, But what happens.
Ultimately you see a pause. People want to get together,
they want to talk it through. America has a lot
of buying power, It has a lot of to negotiate
these things, and how do they do it. United Arab
Emirates just announced two day a ten year, one point

(30:07):
for trillion dollar investment in the United States for their
investments and for their business interests. Johnson and Johnson just
announced a fifty five billion dollars of investment in the
United States over four years to build manufacturing facilities. And
that's just what I'm picking up from the news today,
road and folks, these stories have been coming out every day.

(30:31):
We've been seeing whether it's the Hondas being built in Indiana,
whether you name it. We are seeing that America is
coming back and coming back strong. But these aren't the
stories that you're hearing from the regime media. But it's working.
What he is doing is working in terms of resetting
a US economy that really is focused on real job growth,

(30:52):
real economic growth, and not just government spending as it's
been done for now too far, too long.

Speaker 2 (30:57):
Yeah, and that's what it's all about. This is where
Donald Truy is most effective. He talked about putting America first.

Speaker 3 (31:03):
Greg.

Speaker 2 (31:03):
He's been talking about that since he came down that
escalator in twenty fifteen. That America has been you know,
we've been put on the back burner where we have
this country. The socialists in this country have taken tried
to take this country into a global economy. That's not
what the American people want. They want our factories here,

(31:23):
they want the goods, the services we buy made here.
And that's what Donald Trump is trying to do. And
I you know those stories you just shared with us,
that's an example of in fact, it is going on
all right, a lot to get to your phone calls.
Coming up, we talked about the town hall meeting and
wait to hear the story of what happened to a

(31:45):
techlaw owner in the state of Washington. It could happen here, folks,
and we'll tell you about it.

Speaker 1 (31:50):
Coming up, we heard from Solay Counties Mike Carey, he's
the new chairman of the Soly County JP saying you're
damned if you do, damned if you don't. In terms
of whether you hold these types of meetings or not,
I'm not convinced. I don't know if given these these clowns,
this kind of stage or audience at the u U
in Salt Lake City, maybe it does show the warts,

(32:12):
but I don't know. I think you give them a
microphone that they don't deserve potentially, But I would love
to hear from the smartest listening audience in all the land. Yeah,
pour lusting audience at eight eight eight five seven zero
eight eight eight five seven zero eight zero one zero.

Speaker 2 (32:25):
You know what's interesting, Greg about all of this. Maggie
Hagerman up in Wyoming held a town hall meeting last
night as well, Right, some fine hundred people packed that
that that auditorium to hear what she had to say.
I think that editorium, that editorium last night was filled
with every Democrat in Wyoming, and there aren't that many, Yeah,

(32:47):
there aren't that many. So I just find this all
fascinating as to what's going on here. All right, we've
got a photo. Yeah, go ahead, Greg.

Speaker 1 (32:55):
I was just gonna say that Maggie Agraman couldn't be.
She's probably the most popular elected official in Wyoming right now.
And if you're going to pack a standing room only
crowd and it's everybody in, there's an antagonist, they really
did round up every probably voting Democrat in the state
of Wyoming for that meeting, which doesn't really reflect a
genuine town hall meeting at all.

Speaker 2 (33:12):
No, it doesn't. Let's go to the phones. We'll be
getting this afternoon with Ivan in Lehigh this afternoon here
on the Rodd and Gregg Show. Ivan, how are you,
thanks for joining us.

Speaker 7 (33:22):
I agreg thanks Ron Grev taking my call.

Speaker 10 (33:26):
Just a moment ago, you made a comment about socialists
want to keep the businesses out of America. I actually
very much agree with you, but I do have to
make one clarification. Do you really feel as a socialist
who moved manufacturing out of America?

Speaker 3 (33:40):
Or was that other people?

Speaker 4 (33:41):
Well?

Speaker 2 (33:41):
I think that was other people. It wasn't socialist. But
I believe socialists want a global world order is what
I believe. I think they believe in, and I think
they also believe that, you know, we need to depend
on government. We are driven our economy over the last
several years, Ivan has been based on federal spending and
cheap foreign goods. And you know, we've got we've got

(34:04):
to bring this back to America. And that's what Donald
Trump is arguing about, because if we don't. I mean,
look at the steel and aluminum. Let's say, eventually, I
hope this never happens, we end up in a conflict
with China, who makes most of the world steal in aluminum.
Where are we going to get it if we don't
make it our own on our own?

Speaker 3 (34:22):
Agree one hundred percent.

Speaker 10 (34:24):
But what about the last decade and a half when
all these capitalists were moving there for cheaper.

Speaker 1 (34:29):
Why do we have these same same conversations there?

Speaker 2 (34:32):
Yeah? Yeah, I.

Speaker 1 (34:35):
Again, brother, I mean, I gotta tell you, I am
born again. I I really thought NAFTA was going to
be a good thing, am I. I really thought that
I was I and I was wrong. What we saw
was what ross Pero warned about, and that was we
weren't going to see a rising tide lift all nations
and all trade on both sides. We saw the jobs disappear,

(34:55):
the manufacturing disappear in this country, and I I'll fully
admit that I I didn't see it that way. Now,
I will say, when we talk, when I talk about
globalists and I talk about socialists, show me a communist
leader that's ever poor. The leader, not the people. The leaders. Okay,
so you've got all these people out there that want
the cheap labor, They want to make a ton of money,

(35:16):
and I'm going to tell you that the people suffer,
but never the people that are in charge. These these
guys like Soros and Bill Gates and all these all
the high you know, the blue bloods in the EU
and everywhere else. They make a fortune, and they make
it at the expense of the people. But I I
really it really took a Trump presidency, even this first term,
for me to really see how America had deteriorated in

(35:37):
terms of its manufacturing might. We were devastated by that,
and I'm glad to see him take it back. It's
a great catch. I appreciate the call.

Speaker 2 (35:44):
I hope we do. Let's go to Chris in Salt
Lake City tonight here on the Rod and Greg, Joe, Chris,
how are you? Thanks for joining us tonight.

Speaker 11 (35:52):
Hey, thanks for letting me call in. I just had
a comment about the town hall from last night, and
I want to just say that I've witnessed coddling of
bad behavior from the last for a long time by
the Republicans. I was a presidential elector back in twenty
sixteen and during the ceremony they had signed. Our room

(36:12):
was packed and they were yelling, shame on you, shame
on you, as we were trying to vote for the president.
That's illegal, that's voter intimidation. And what did our lieutenant
governor at the time, Spencer Cox do. He didn't call
them out, he didn't ask for decorm He actually applauded them,
he said, thank you for coming. I'm voicing your free speech.

(36:33):
In the meantime, he is thwarting our right to have
a vote without voter intimidation. So we've coddled that kind
of behavior. I've also seen the legislature. I don't think Greg,
I think you were gone by that time. But when
they did redistricting, they bent over backwards to allow the
left to come up. In that committee hearing, I got

(36:55):
yelled at, I got attacked verbally by the audience. No decorum, No.
But he was called out for not following the rules.
And yet Mike Brown, who's a conservative, goes up and
wears a T shirt that says we the People. He
gets arrested in a committee hearing. Shared by Dad McKay.
So it's it's too sighted the kind of the way

(37:17):
they enforce the rules, and if the rules are enforced,
then you can have civil discourse in public.

Speaker 2 (37:22):
That sure, you make a very good point, Chris, thank
you very much for that phone call and the thoughts.
Why do we allow that to happen? Greg, shuld we
go back?

Speaker 1 (37:29):
And I totally agree, and I was off the clock officially.
Then that's why they can't have nice things. I leave
and the whole place goes nuts. I mean, I don't
even know what they're doing over there anymore. I swear
it's true. Let's keep going to the call. I love
that caller. Let's go to Joe and Star Valley. Joe's
thank you for holding. Welcome to the Rod and Greg Show.

Speaker 7 (37:46):
Hey, thank you, Harry. I just wanted to point out
that this went on last week. Harry Egerman came to
a town hall and aften and all of Detown County
came down and just swamped it. But Harriet handled them
very well. They all they could do was make statement.
None of them asked questions. They just just made political statement,

(38:09):
and she dealt with them very professionally, very handily. And
I think I think, you know, we live in a
land with free speech, and I guess we can't stop
them from doing it, and we shouldn't stop them from
doing it, but we just need to elect officials that
can take care of business and handle them and then
it doesn't matter. I think it might even be what
is it, No, No, any press is good press. It's

(38:31):
kind of along the same line. Yeah, you know, if
they handle them, it's good for us.

Speaker 2 (38:36):
Joe. When you mentioned t Todd County, that's Jackson Hole, Wyoming,
is it, that's the Jackson Hole area.

Speaker 7 (38:41):
Oh yeah, yeah, and it is solid. That's when you
said all the Democrats showed up to this last one.
Well maybe they all went to that one too, But
you're right, all.

Speaker 2 (38:52):
Right, Joe, You're right, a lot of a lot of
tree huggers up there in t John County. Let's go
to gym in Salt Lake City tonight here on the
rodd In Greg Show. Hi, Jim, how are you.

Speaker 3 (39:02):
Good?

Speaker 12 (39:02):
Thanks for taking my call. We need to take a
lesson from Donald Trump in how to handle these people.

Speaker 7 (39:09):
All these.

Speaker 12 (39:11):
Things have been coordinated by Democrats, but you've got to
know the mindset of a Democrat. Forty five percent of
all the people in this country, in this entire country,
forty five percent which are just solid Democrat forty five
percent wanted that spaceship that brought these four home from

(39:37):
the space station. They wanted it to crash, Jim, to crash.

Speaker 2 (39:45):
Where are you seeing that number? I haven't seen anything
like that. Where are you seeing that, Jim?

Speaker 12 (39:49):
I've seen that for the past twenty years from Democrats.
They wanted it, They did not want Do you think
they want to see any success yus, any success from
Elon Musk.

Speaker 2 (40:04):
Oh no, no, or Donald Trump or Donald don't success?
Yeah or Donald Donald Trump? Yeah, you're right, Jim, Thank you,
appreciate your phone call. All right, Mari, your calls coming
up eighty eight eighty five, seven eight zero, one zero
or on your cell phone dial pound two fifty and
say hey, Ron.

Speaker 1 (40:18):
Let's do that. Let's go to Bruce and Ogden. Bruce,
thank you for holding. Welcome to the Rod and Greg Show.

Speaker 13 (40:25):
Thank you and enjoying your program. I have a quote
that Joe Biden made in March of twenty twenty one,
and it was his remarks to the Business Roundtable, and
I quote, I believe we are at an inflection point
in the world economy, not just the world economy, in

(40:47):
the world and it happens every three or four generations,
and now it's time when things are shifting. There is
going to be a new world order out there, and
we have got to lead it.

Speaker 2 (41:04):
Kind of scary, isn't it, Bruce.

Speaker 13 (41:06):
Yeah, yes, it is very much. So I agree with
you that that's exactly I think what the Democrats are
about their globalists, and I think that's why the borders
have been wide open. At least. This is what Elon
Musk says the same thing I think is they're all
they're open because they they're all coming across the borders

(41:27):
undocumented Democrats. They want to one party state and that's
how they will achieve the new world order.

Speaker 2 (41:37):
Well, and another thing that, yeah, Bruce, I thought about
this as well. I've thought about this as well. I mean,
those people who came across the border, look from Look
at the countries they came from. All of those countries,
I don't know if there's a constitutional republican any of
those countries. They're all run by a dictator. They all
get everything given to them from the government, so that's

(41:58):
what they expect when they give here. I mean, we
have to be aware of that. Open our eyes up. Bruce.
You point out something very good.

Speaker 13 (42:05):
And exactly what the Democrats did for him when they
got here.

Speaker 3 (42:08):
They gave them all that money.

Speaker 13 (42:09):
Another thing that kind of irritates me is all of
our local news stations lean left.

Speaker 6 (42:16):
Why is that good?

Speaker 13 (42:17):
Queen ksl IS, utahs, CNN. Yeah, that kind of irritates me.

Speaker 2 (42:24):
Good question. Having worked there, I don't understand that myself anymore.
All right, eight eight eight five seven oaight zero one
zero eight eight eight five seven o eight zero one zero,
or on your cell phone, all you do is have
to dial pound two fifty and say, hey, Rod, love
to hear from you today, Greg, like you were saying, Greg,
you know, should members of our congressional delegation open themselves

(42:46):
up to these town hall meetings? You know? And as
Mike Carrey said a while ago, you're damned if you do,
and damned if you don't. So what what do they do?

Speaker 14 (42:56):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (42:56):
You know? And look I have I have cut my
teeth on plenty of contentious town hall meetings. I've actually
gone to groups that I knew were particularly upset about
specific legislation that I was working on or that I
had supported, And I went to those meetings wanting to
have that discussion, and some of those meetings went well.
Sometimes it was like looked like what you saw the

(43:18):
members of Congress Kennedy and Malloy went through last night.
I've done it. I think good public servants ought to
be ready to do it. I think one of our
callers pointed out that he thought that he thinks that's
kind of the job that you do it. But I
do think we're playing a little bit into their playbook
where the perception for those that aren't paying close attention,
that's not our listeners. But if you're not, you would

(43:41):
mistake a crowd, a room full of angry people as
the general sentiment of the state of Utah or its voters,
which it is not. It is all it's contrived, it's
all planned, it's pageantry, it's not real. And I think
that you have to be careful that you don't give
them too strong of a platform. It is as misleading

(44:01):
as that last town hall last night.

Speaker 2 (44:03):
Was yep, all right, back to the phones we go.
Let's go to Bluffdale. Here what Brian has to say
tonight here on the rod In Greg Show. Hey Brian,
thanks for joining us.

Speaker 15 (44:12):
Hey guys, why aren't we putting this back onto the school.
Why is it that we, as taxpayers in the County
of Salt Lake pay absorbitant amounts of money with regard.

Speaker 16 (44:27):
To schooling, and yet we allow the officials of the
University of Utah to allow this kind of behavior to occur.

Speaker 7 (44:39):
This doesn't sound right to me.

Speaker 1 (44:43):
I you know, it's a good point. It's the state
institution of hire learning. And I think the first question
right out the gate last night was actually from a
BYU professor asking are you ready to impeach the president?
I mean that's where they went on the first question.
I mean, come on, and so are they going to
have a serious dialogue with two members of Congress and
a very unique time in American history? Or are they

(45:05):
just going to go ahead and run the playbook of
the left that's really out of it, doesn't have any
leadership going. They just want to criticize and tear down
I think I do think that the University of Utah
should take some responsibility for a farce of a meeting
like that.

Speaker 2 (45:18):
For sure, Greg, let me ask you this, because you've
been in the I've moderated debates or town hall meetings.
I've never been the center of one like you have
because of your various campaigns. But let me ask you this, Greig,
what if those congressmen Congress and Kennedy and Congressman Maloy
had had basically said last night, all right, we're going
to turn it around to you. I want to hear

(45:40):
your answers to how we solve the deficit. How do
we get rid of a thirty five or thirty six
trillion dollar deficit? What do we do about immigration, what
do we do about crime? How are we going to
solve those problems? I would love to have heard those
responses from those people who were there last night, because
you know what, Greg, here my guest would be, here's
the answer. We need to text the rich more, we

(46:03):
need to text CORP. That would be their answer.

Speaker 1 (46:06):
You'll often hear me say, I think even as a
radio host have done this. It's easy for everyone to
criticize or call out problems. The two word answer that
needs to be responded with is then what Okay. You're
in the legislative branch. You have to go get the numbers.
You have to take people from different represented areas around
the country. Four and thirty five members of Congress. You

(46:28):
got to go get a majority of them to vote
the way you think things ought to be. But what
is your answer?

Speaker 12 (46:32):
Then?

Speaker 1 (46:33):
What what's your next step? Give me your next three steps.
You've articulated the problem, give me what you think is
a solution, and I'll tell you what it's crickets. A
lot of times people are got a lot long winded
on what's wrong or what they don't like. But when
you say then what they either don't have an answer
or the answer they have is, you know, go after
the rich, tax everybody to death. It's a it's again.

(46:54):
The answer is something they having to do with someone
other than themselves. Is what you get by an answer?
I we have a our listener. They gave a great
response I'm reading if they were if they were at
the town if it was their town hall, they'd go
to the meeting at a tesla and tell people to
go vandalize the car out front and go to prison
instead of listening to them in their meeting. If that's
what they wanted to do, I think that's hilarious.

Speaker 2 (47:15):
I love it, you know. And and here's here's the
funny thing, Greg, And I'm not sure who the question
was directed toward. My guest would have been it was
Mike Kennedy. But that first question you brought up from
a b YU professor, thank you very much, professor. You know,
should we impeach Donald Trump for ignoring you know, the
judicial rulings? I wish Mike would have turned right around
and said, should we have peached Joe Biden for his

(47:38):
rejection of what the Supreme Court said about student loans?
They wouldn't have been able to answer.

Speaker 4 (47:43):
No.

Speaker 1 (47:44):
Yeah, the good answer to have been, are you gonna
are you gonna impeach it? Are you going to file
articles of impeachment for ignoring the judiciary? I'd say I
think he's out of office now. I don't think we
can do that to Biden anymore, but yeah, good thought,
we can't.

Speaker 2 (47:56):
All right, more of your phone calls coming up. It
is thank Rod and Greg. Is Friday number to call
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Speaker 1 (48:08):
Back to the calls. We're having a great discussion with
our listeners. Let's go back. Let's talk to Mark and Aurum. Mark,
thank you for holding. Welcome to the Rod and Greg show.

Speaker 17 (48:19):
Okay, I'll make this quick. Thanks for taking my call,
because morning I heard them talking about I think it's
Mike Lee and Spencer Cox about using federal lamb to
build cheaper housing in Utah, and I think they need
to keep that away from contractors and h oas because

(48:42):
they drive up fees. You know, can we make hoa's
illegal in Utah? Can we spam.

Speaker 1 (48:51):
You?

Speaker 2 (48:52):
You've been in the building trade for a while. You
understand that better than I do on this one.

Speaker 7 (48:57):
Hey.

Speaker 1 (48:57):
Look and all my years of politics and being in
public servant, I've never encountered anything more political or diabolical
than an hoa. Mark, you're a hundred. You're tracking this right.
Those things, boy, they are. That is dominion over people,
those hoa's. I'm with you, so, but I will say this, Edie,
look at this poor state of ours we have got.
They had federal come to hedge their bet when they

(49:19):
made Utah state. They kept sixty six percent of it
in federal control, which is like eighty plus percent of
ninety percent. Once you get off the Washtatch front, you
can't even get phone, you can't get infrastructure across federal land.
They held it up so bad, so that there is
that we are getting penned in a bit as a
as a state the way we grow. But don't bring
hoas into a mark because you're one hundred percent right.

(49:40):
That's that would be the end of it right there.

Speaker 2 (49:41):
Well, Mike Lee and Governor Cox may have been commenting
on this, But this was a plan announced, wasn't it
a couple of days ago by the Interior secret Secretary
Bergham and the hud Secretary Turner I believe is his name,
that was announced to open up some of that federal
land to people who are looking to build homes. And
like you said, here in the state grade, we are
shoehorned into this very tight valley. And you're right, you

(50:05):
get outside what the wash Edd's front. Eighty percent of
the land in this state is actually owned by the
federal government.

Speaker 1 (50:11):
If you could see the footprint of private property in
these other other counties, it's shocking. It's very difficult for
those counties, those that are off the wast edge front
to function because they have such little land where they
can actually draw property tax from or have or families
and populations can grow. And we are a growing state,

(50:32):
so it's it's pretty tough. I'll tell you. People don't
know that Harry Reid when he was the You know,
Nevada has this issue too with federal land. So when
that guy was run in the Senate, boy he went
and took a town called Summerland. If if that's a
suburb you recognize if you've had any kind of sports tournaments.
That was all BLM land, Bureau of Land Manager land.
That was federal land. They got that land and made
it private property and they were able to build a

(50:53):
suburb and shopping and fields in the regional competition. Yeah,
so it can be done, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (51:00):
Yeah, you can. All right, more of your calls coming up.
Eight eight eight five seven eight zero one zero eight
eight eight five seven o eight zero one zero. But Greg,
before we get back to our calls, I want to
share this story. Now we've talked about the violence being
directed toward Tesla owners. We've seen some disgusting acts that, yeah,
one can have on a car, and we don't need
to bring those up again. But I hadn't heard this

(51:21):
until we saw this television report coming out of out
of the Seattle area. This happened to a woman in
the city of Lynnwood, which is a suburb of Seattle.
She drives a Tesla. Listen to what happened to her.

Speaker 3 (51:33):
I was thankfully by myself.

Speaker 18 (51:35):
Lee was on the way to a doctor's appointment in
linn Wood Wednesday morning when she says, all of a sudden,
a driver behind her just laid on the horn as
they came up to a red light. Things spiraled out
of control when a white SUV followed her and cut
her off, stopping in the middle of the.

Speaker 19 (51:50):
Road, gets out and walks straight up to my door window.
So I cracked my window and I said, what what
is for the problem?

Speaker 1 (51:58):
He is?

Speaker 3 (51:58):
You need to sell your call.

Speaker 19 (52:00):
This is a Nazi car you're driving it.

Speaker 7 (52:04):
You need to sell your.

Speaker 18 (52:05):
Car, Lisa, and she's been driving a Tesla for the
last two years. She says, a man wearing a camouflage
jacket and a ski mask attacked her.

Speaker 1 (52:13):
For it to.

Speaker 19 (52:13):
Really sad that this is what's happening to people who, honestly,
it doesn't affect how I believe or what I believe.
Just a car I drive in Seattle of his Climate's important?
A foot friends important?

Speaker 2 (52:27):
Yeah, can you know? I hope I doubt if she
did this, Greg, but I hope this woman got the
license plate of the guy who was going after.

Speaker 12 (52:35):
Man.

Speaker 1 (52:36):
Just I why can't that happen for me? I just
want that. I just want that day, I really do.
I just think it is it is so heart He
stopped in the middle of a road. It's not even
an intersection. There's not a stop signers on a red light.
He stops in the middle of the road, stops this
this young lady from being able to move forward. It's
a guy on a tough guy going after a young lady.

(52:58):
Oh my gosh, guys like that, there's just you know,
I just I wish I could be around when things
like that happen. I just think it's it's pretty cowardly.

Speaker 2 (53:09):
Yeah. Well that and then he wears a wear's a
face mask and camel. I just hope she got a
plate number. That's what I wish would happen. All right,
back to the phones we go. Let's go to Rick
in Las Vegas tonight here on the rod In Greg Show. Rick,
how why are you thanks for listening?

Speaker 20 (53:24):
I'm good, thanks for taking my call. Uh So, this
federal land thing, you know, it's not constitutional. The Constitution
doesn't allow for that. They're supposed to give the states
the total control of the land when they make it
a state.

Speaker 7 (53:37):
So I say, we.

Speaker 20 (53:39):
Tax the federal government for their use of our land.
You know there, there's your tax base right there. They're
they're using our land. We don't get to use it.
So we tax the federal government just like they tax
us when we build a house on it.

Speaker 2 (53:55):
Could we we're having let the idea. I think it's
a great idea.

Speaker 1 (54:00):
So we're halfway there because they have what's called payment
and lieu of taxes. Okay, it's a payment lou of
taxes is something the federal government gives uh the state
of Utah as payment for doing what Rick said, and
that is not turning over this land that was supposed
to transfer when state when Utah became a state. So
they acknowledged that that is tax taxbile land that Utah

(54:22):
has never received. So they have payment in liu. The
sad joke of that acronym for payment love of taxes
is pennies and lieu of trillions. Yeah, that's that's what
you're getting. And there has been talk at the state
legislature to to really they can't calculate with that value
of that land would be and what is not being received,
and they could send it by way as a bill

(54:43):
to this federal government. And look, if Colorado could make
me Schedule one narcotic marijuana legal just by ballot measure,
violating federal law, then why can't we, as the state
of Utah just assume that we are we're by we're
gonna have a vote, we're gonna do whatever we want
to do leg statvely and our with our state government,
and we're going to treat that land like it's Utah's land,

(55:04):
just like Colorado did over the issue of a federal drug,
marijuana becoming legal in the face flying in the face
of federal law, against federal law. We should do the
same thing for land lands a hell of a lot
more important than marijuana, So we should we should do that.
I like Grick's idea.

Speaker 2 (55:18):
Well, that program you brought up greg payment and low
of taxes, I mean, we get what a penny no, no,
it is.

Speaker 1 (55:29):
It's not a lot compared to what it would be
if it were a taxable land. And go east of
the Mississippi. They don't even know what we're talking about
because they've never had this problem. This is a Western
States problem, and it's really hits Utah particularly hard. Ne vatigates.
Hit has more percentage of federal land than Utah. But
we're I think we're number two in terms of again
it's sixty six percent. But that's that that's a deceiting

(55:50):
percentage because most of the Watatch fronts private property. You
get out of those four counties and you look at
the other twenty five counties and it's eighty plus percent
of those counties. They can't move inside of those counties.

Speaker 2 (56:01):
No, they sure can't. All right, more of your calls
and comments coming up. It is the Rod and Greg
Shoe on Utah's talk radio one oh five nine knrs.
Another question, I wish someone would have asked the routies
at the town hall meeting last night, Craig, how do
you feel about vandalizing teslas?

Speaker 1 (56:18):
You know, do you think they would have applauded?

Speaker 2 (56:20):
Yeah? Do you think that? Well, they cheered on the
Daily Show. We played that audio sound bite yesterday, But
how do you feel about that? It would have been
interesting to hear what their comments were, I mean their
hate for Trump and now for Elon Musk as well.
A matter of fact, we should change it to a
Trump Musk derangement syndrome that's going on in this country.
But last night on CNN, Kevin O'Leary, one of the

(56:42):
one of the business analysts, talked about the vandalism and
also talked about Governor Tim Walls.

Speaker 21 (56:48):
When you set a car on fire, you should go
to jail.

Speaker 3 (56:51):
Good criminal anyway.

Speaker 21 (56:52):
I don't think we have to talk about it in
any other context. And all those cars have cameras in them,
and those dealerships have cameras. You're beyond being stupid when
you do that. You're you're going to go to jail.
And you now have a government that just got their mandate.
They can't wait to find idiots that do this. You're
going to spend five to twenty years in prison. If

(57:14):
they get them on terrorism, which I think is a stretch,
they will have no parole, no shortened sentence. They'll rot
in hell in prison for twenty years. And frankly, as
off far as I'm concerned, that's okay. Breaking in, shooting
a car sitting on fire, nothing to do with the politics,
nothing to do with Tesla.

Speaker 3 (57:33):
You are a criminal, and you.

Speaker 1 (57:35):
What about to question about the protest factor? I mean
you heard protests.

Speaker 4 (57:41):
I'm talking about Tim Walls and his comments about the
Tesla stock.

Speaker 3 (57:44):
He says against him a boost to see that stock
going down.

Speaker 21 (57:46):
That poor guy didn't check his portfolio and his own
pension plan for state.

Speaker 3 (57:51):
It's beyond stupid what he did.

Speaker 21 (57:53):
He's talking down a three and a half percent waiting
in his own pension plan.

Speaker 3 (57:57):
I mean, what's the matter with that guy? He doesn't
check the.

Speaker 21 (58:00):
Well being of his own constituency.

Speaker 12 (58:02):
That's there.

Speaker 3 (58:03):
Heard what a bozo?

Speaker 2 (58:06):
What a boso? And he's sounding more like aso each
it every day. I'm talking about Tim Walls.

Speaker 1 (58:13):
It is man. I want I want to see that throwdown.
He says he can beat up all the all the
MAGA Republicans or those that support Trump or thinks he can.
Have you seen WWF's guy. His name is Kane. He's
only seven feet tall, three hundred plus pounds. He's now
a mayor of a Tennessee county. He says, ah, I
support Trump, you know, and uh, you governor, you say

(58:33):
you can kick the tail of Trump supporters. Why don't
we do it? A little raise some money on a charity.
Fifty percent of the gate goes to your charity of
my charity of choice. Let's have it. Let's just let's
just let's I'd like to look you up on that.
Let's see if that works. You know, I haven't heard
from government. Governor's Walls office has had no comment. I
haven't heard him take take up Caine on his Mayor

(58:54):
Caine on his offer.

Speaker 2 (58:55):
I would tell you what, I'd buy a ticket.

Speaker 3 (58:57):
To see that?

Speaker 1 (58:59):
Oh what I ever? I would love it. And it
wouldn't because happy hands, happy waving hands would win either.
It wouldn't even be a close fight. But it wouldn't
you love to see the little kicking and waving going
on by Governor Walls in that wrestling match.

Speaker 2 (59:12):
Boy, would I like to be a fly on the
wall in this meeting? Apparently, h the host of a
Real Time with Bill Maher Bill Maher has apparently said
he is going to the White House to meet with
Donald Trump. Remember Kid Rock when he was on the
show a couple of weeks ago, said you should meet
with Trump and all set up the meeting. Well, apparently,
according to some reports, that meeting has been set up

(59:33):
and Bill Maher is going to go to the White
House meet with Donald.

Speaker 1 (59:36):
Trump unless he goes and just berates Trump and acts
very unprofessional. He will he will lose serious street cred
with the Libs that love his show, because that anybody
that's actually reached out to remember what happened to the
Morning Joe when Joe and.

Speaker 2 (59:51):
Oh yeah, I forgot about talked with him.

Speaker 1 (59:53):
They got beat They got beat up pretty bad by
their listening audience. About what ten people whoever ye still
listens to that watches that show. But the base of
the party, they're mad at their own party because they're
not harsh enough. Even though they're harsh, and they can't
make them happy. They they are in dire straits. I
mean you can't. They A pivot is very difficult for

(01:00:14):
the Democrats right now, and they're leaving. They're just a
party of subtraction, they really are.

Speaker 2 (01:00:19):
Remember the name Greta van Sustern, Remember Greta yep host.
I think she was on both CNN and Fox News
right at one time, right, yeah, and then she went
to MSNBC. That didn't last very long. Do you know why?
She said MSNBC was the only network where the bosses
were telling her what to do and say.

Speaker 1 (01:00:41):
That'd be about right, That's what leftist knew they the
onliness censor you.

Speaker 2 (01:00:45):
Yeah, it's CNN, cnnn Fox. She could do. She had
the freedom to say whatever she wanted to say, right,
But when you got to MSNBC, she said, the bosses
told me what to do.

Speaker 1 (01:00:59):
And that's the censorship. That's where that's where. You know
they love to call Republicans fascists. Well, we love freedom
of speech, we love that. It's the fascist at one
conformity censorship. You can't veer from our our you know,
our worldview. That said, and that's MSNBC and a lot
of them, that's all of them.

Speaker 2 (01:01:16):
Yeah, yeah, you know a rumor today you're well aware, Greg,
I think that Bernie Sanders and aoc Ocossio Cortes are
now on a tour. They went to Vegas last night, No,
it was Phoenix yesterday and drew eleven thousand people to
a rally, and there's a lot of talk now that
that could be the ticket in twenty twenty eight. Bernie

(01:01:36):
Sanders and Alexandria Cassio Cortes, Bring it on, baby, bring
it on.

Speaker 1 (01:01:42):
Yes, let them speak, operation, Let them speak. Eleven thousand.
I'm sure that's just a perfect number that your guys.
You guys are doing famously. Keep going, just keep going.

Speaker 2 (01:01:52):
All right, that's where wraps up. The second hour're coming
up and now we're number three. A new report taking
a look at the salaries paid the CEOs of plan
parenthoods our tax dollars. Everybody, get ready for this one
that's coming up next. There is a brand new study

(01:02:12):
out today, a report that reveals how much Planned Parenthood
CEOs around the country are making. The figures are staggering.
We'll talk about that in just a minute. We'll also
talk with Mike Gonzales from the Heritage Foundation about what
happened to that Black Lives Matter plans in Washington, d C.
You've seen that before, right, Greg. You indicated you've seen that.

Speaker 1 (01:02:33):
I have. I've seen that. I was confused. It just
seemed like it was yellow pain on the road. I've
looked at it. I've looked it up since, and they
did some pedestrian walkways and things. But I've seen that.
I have been to that area, some nice properties along
there in Washington, D C. A hotel, things like that,
but I don't know. It just seemed that I thought
it was temporary. I was surprised they wanted to leave it,

(01:02:55):
especially with the history of Black Lives Matter being really
a real estate investment for more than anything else. So yeah,
I think it's about time.

Speaker 2 (01:03:04):
Yeah, it's about time. Well, we'll talk about that and
our listen back Friday segments coming your way as well.
All right, there was a reporter revealed today about planned parenthood,
the CEOs, the leaders of those organizations around the country
and the amount of money that they make each and
every year. And joining us on our newsmaker line to
talk about that right now is Hugh Brown, vice president
of the American Life League, that's the organization that did

(01:03:27):
this report. Hugh, thanks for joining us this evening here
in Salt Lake City. I want to ask you, Hugh,
first of all, how stunned were you when you started
seeing these salaries come through and the report that you
released today.

Speaker 9 (01:03:38):
So that is a great question, and honestly, without being facetious,
the answers no, because we have been warring, if you will,
against planned parenthood since the early nineteen eighties. When my
mother and father first founded the American Life League in
nineteen seventy nine, part of it was to target the
atrocities of planned parenthood and bring them to light, and
every single year that we see more information on them,

(01:04:02):
the worse it gets. I mean, it is an absolutely
bloods lusting, greedy organization, driven by the almighty dollar, far
above the value of life. It's just it's insidious, and
is it shocking? I mean when I think about what
most of us make, Yeah, I mean, it seems like
killing is good business. But it doesn't surprise me because

(01:04:23):
it's it's kind of who they are.

Speaker 14 (01:04:26):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:04:26):
I think that I'm glad that you're doing the reports.
So you're covering the amount of money seven hundred million
dollars in federal funding in twenty twenty three, thirty four
percent of the total revenue the KITS. And if you're
a CEO of the organization, you're living large because from
twenty twenty one to today, you've seen a thirty four

(01:04:46):
percent increase in your a thirty two percent increase in
your salary. Guys, this Alexis she's making nine hundred and
four thousand dollars a year. I just looked up the
average CEO salary of the Salvation Army. It's eighty two
thousand a year. So, yeah, explain to me how it
is that this abortion Company Corporation has been able to

(01:05:10):
cry poor mouth, see the kinds of increases they've seen
in funding, and get the government the foot a good
at least third of the bill. How have they gotten
away with this?

Speaker 9 (01:05:20):
Well, I think a lot of that's coming to light
right now, right, I mean, you look at what you
see what's happening with Elon Musk and Doze and all
of the things that they're uncovering. I mean, underneath all
of this is a network of greed. It's a network
of grift. It's a network of self enrichment. I mean,
plant parent are they're kind of the smartest guys in
the room, right. They have the mothership, and under the
mothership they incorporate, incorporate these forty nine affiliates, and these

(01:05:45):
forty nine affiliates affiliates operate hundreds of clinics. As an example,
you know, the Parenthood of Los Angeles has twenty four facilities,
and the CEO over that that group makes eight hundred
and seventy five thousand a year, right, and they're all
set up as nonprofits. So it's not just the fact

(01:06:05):
that they receive seven hundred million dollars a year of
tax dollars. They don't pay any taxes. I'm sure they
have the employee tax stuff, but they you know, the
revenue generated by these people each affiliate a high of
one hundred and fifty five million dollars and a low
of thirty six million dollars. It is absolutely a killing business.

(01:06:25):
And they're just a wash in money and your money,
in my money, every dollar taken out of our paychecks
and the hard, hard work that we do for a living,
they get a piece of it. So I think it
is a systematic as we're seeing now in many governmental
agencies and many corrupt nonprofits through USAID. These people are
no different. They have been funded with our tax dollars

(01:06:48):
and and they also what they helped get help, They
helped get Democrats elected. So it's they its viscious circle.
It's as vicious circle, and we're just too weak to
do anything about it.

Speaker 1 (01:06:59):
Right.

Speaker 9 (01:07:00):
We need to stand up against these people. That's what
we need to do.

Speaker 2 (01:07:03):
He'll let me ask you. I mean, with them getting
as munch money as they do from the American taxpayer,
has anybody called them up and asked them to justify
how they can justify making so much money as the CEO.
Has anyone ever called them on the carpet about this?

Speaker 9 (01:07:18):
Oh, we have, but listen, they took it down many
years ago. There was a point on their website where
they listened. Judy Brown, our founder of the American Life
League and then our largest program, stopped playing parenthood as
public enemies number one, two, and three because we are
relentless on them. We've attended their meetings, We've tried to
ask them questions. Obviously, no written word, email, text, you know,

(01:07:40):
carrier pigeon. Nothing gets answered by these people. But they
they are very brash in that they they are a
washing money and as what came out this week articles
about them closing clinics in New York because they're running
out of money and poorly funded, those are lies, right,
They're they're closing down clinics because a lot of us

(01:08:00):
have been working for decades to expose who they are.
And they very much have run into local trouble, national
trouble in some of these areas. And they're not closing
because of money. I mean on their balance sheet they
have over a billion dollars in hard assets, cash assets.
You assume that they're telling the truth, how can you
trust people that kill for a living. Right, we look

(01:08:22):
at these numbers every year they say they did three
hundred and ninety thousand abortions.

Speaker 14 (01:08:26):
Maybe right.

Speaker 9 (01:08:27):
I'm sure it doesn't include the chemical abortions. There's probably
five times that number. You can't trust these people, I mean,
they kill for a living. How can we trust anything
other than the hard numbers they report to the IRS.
And I guarantee you, unlike the Brown family or the
American Life League that gets audited every single time there's
a liberal in the White House, I guarantee you these
people have never been audited because I guarantee if Elon

(01:08:49):
took a look at them, they probably go down hard.
So we're pushing for that too.

Speaker 12 (01:08:55):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:08:55):
I just there's a lot of nonprofits that I the
Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, which is you know, I
wouldn't have put that in the top nonprofits, but there
you go with that whole NGO nonprofit. I think money
shuffling that goes on. But one that I think you
know that Jimmy Carter, former late president that was involved

(01:09:16):
in heavily that actually is a nonprofit habit a Tap
for Humanity. There their average salary for a CEO is
seventy seven thousand dollars. So again we go to where
I see it. So I mentioned Salvation Army, I mentioned
have a tat for humanity? Are we to this? Are
we to the point with people like yourself organizations looking

(01:09:36):
at where the money is going, where we can just separate,
pretend we shouldn't even be able to use the words
nonprofit in association with these groups that are paying themselves
a million dollars a year and pulling down seven hundred
million a year from federal funds. Are we Are we
to that point? Do you think where we can draw
a bright line between sincere or genuine nonprofits which exists
in our country and this money game that's going on

(01:09:59):
with with Planned Parenthood?

Speaker 9 (01:10:02):
Absolutely absolutely one. Because I'll tell you what's even more shocking.
Right if you look at the Medicare and Medicaid reimbursements
that Planned Parenthood received while Biden was in office, it's
in excess of fifty billion dollars that's not reported on
any of this, Okay, So something is terribly horribly wrong.
Because we were releasing this report, we looked at Charity Navigator,

(01:10:25):
which rates nonprofits, and all is on there as well,
and it lists something like two million. And now the
average of all nonprofit CEO salaries is right around one
hundred grand. Right, that's everybody that's from the little two
man operation working out of a church basement where they're
volunteers to this monstrosity that's paying themselves up. You know,

(01:10:47):
there's top so a million dollars. So these people are
overpaid by two and a half three times because it's grift,
it's exactly what it is. They have to expense that
money somehow, and I'm sure there are things on that
balance sheet that if somebody actually were able to take
a look, would be absolutely shocking and criminal, no doubt
about it.

Speaker 2 (01:11:06):
On our Newsmaker line, that is Hugh Brown, he is
vice president of the American Life League. Greg, those numbers
are staggering, eight hundred thousand dollars a year for some
of those chief executive officers. It's amazing.

Speaker 1 (01:11:17):
Nonprofit should never be uttered in the same sentence with
salaries and CEOs like that. Yeah, let's say that alone
is offensive.

Speaker 2 (01:11:25):
That's for sure, all right, Moore. Coming up on the
Friday edition of The Rotting Greg Joe and Talk Radio
one oh five nine canterest. All right, Greg, explain if
you would before we go to our next interview. What
the Black Lives Matter plaza was all about in Washington.
Wasn't just a bunch of big letters on a street.

Speaker 1 (01:11:42):
Yeah, so they got a bunch of yellow block letters,
and I mean, actually, it takes more than a city
blocked Black Lives Matter as long as it is it
was an area where they were there was a lot
of protests. Here's the deal, guys. I've been to DC.
I was there for Donald Trump's first inauguration in January
twenty seventeen. A lot of violence, of window fronts being
smashed out. You get to twenty twenty, you're seeing the

(01:12:04):
same type of behavior. You're seeing cities burn throughout the
spring and summer of twenty twenty. Well, Black Lives Matter
and in Tifa, their pals, they made d C one
of their ground zero areas where they were doing a
lot of protesting and destroying a property. Well, that street
was a kind of a ground zero. So the city,
I think the mayor decided to paint in giant You

(01:12:26):
could see it from Google Maps, from the satellite image.
Black Lives Matter, and it was just a road with
those black lettering for a while. Then they wanted to
make it a pedestrian corridor down the middle of it,
spend more money as a city to do it. It
went on and on, so in twenty one they did.
They made it into it like a historic place you
could walk and see, and I think it the blooms

(01:12:49):
off the roads at this point.

Speaker 2 (01:12:50):
Sure is well. Joining us on our Newsmaker line right
now is Mike Gonzales. Mike a Senior Fellow of Foreign
Policy at the Heritage Foundation. Mike, appreciate you taking some
time to talk to us tonight. Let's talk about the
Black Lives Matter Plaza. Why all of a sudden is
it being torn apart.

Speaker 14 (01:13:05):
I think what's behind this is that the Republicans are
in power, and this time they're really in power now
like the first Trump administration. And there there have been
enough threats from Congress about taking homul away from from
UH the DC government because the DC government has been
has just been so bad. One of them, a member

(01:13:28):
of the council, has been has been brought up in
charges the so so I think Mayor Bowser, Mariel Bowser,
the long term mayor of DC, it's afraid of many things,
and she knows that one of the one of the
irritants is this Black Lives Matter of plaza that she

(01:13:50):
erected in the middle of twenty twenty to you know,
want take it down.

Speaker 1 (01:13:58):
You know, you know you you noted in your article
that the Black Lives Matter matter was founded by Marxists
who openly advocated for dismantling of American society. You saw
that in the in the riots, in the in the
destruction of private property, even government buildings. You had, you know,
Capitol Hill Autonomous Zones chas zones that people somehow forget about.

(01:14:19):
Black Lives Matter seemed to be at the epicenter of
all that, and at the end of the day, they
seem to be founded by Marxists but really run like capitalists.
They took all that money they were getting donated and
spent it on real estate investments and somehow, you know,
so I just think it's a mockery even this idea
that there was a Black Lives Matter plaza and all
the things that stood for. But they never helped any

(01:14:39):
minorities go to college. They never never saw a positive
thing done with any of it. So my question is,
why would it take the I mean, I think I
know the answer. But why couldn't they look in hindsight
at what Black Lives Matter was or was not and
they themselves say, maybe this wasn't something we should be
heralding going forward.

Speaker 14 (01:14:59):
A communist leader has died wealthy, whether it's Castro or
Breshnev or Krushev, all of them are stolling, all of
them houses in the countryside Dasha's. And so that's just
a feature not above of communism that the class that
uses the promise of social justice to take power then

(01:15:22):
does very well, uh in in that power that they
that they approved. And as far as the founders of
Black Lives Matter, Alicia Garza, pal Timedi and Patris Killers,
they said that they're Marxists. They said they wanted to
dismantle American society. They said they wanted to dismant to

(01:15:44):
a former government. They said they were not happy at
all with the way the American system ran. Not me,
I'm just quoting them. The media never quoted them.

Speaker 4 (01:15:52):
The media.

Speaker 14 (01:15:53):
In fact, when I quoted them, the media went after me, uh,
which is the just asonishing because in the he is
there as the watch dog to keep us free and
to keep us safe and me it just didn't do
its job. So yeah, it was all very clear and
very open. I think the American people began fighting back
in twenty twenty one. And now we are where we are,

(01:16:13):
where Donald Trump won a resounding victory. He's got a House,
he's got a Senate, and he is just mantling DEI.
He's dis mantling all these things. And even though Black
Lives Matter was elected when he was in the White
House in twenty twenty, now he's returned to the White
House and he's wielding real power. The Mayor of Washington

(01:16:34):
is defined no longer in fact, is you know, saying
let me take this down, Mike.

Speaker 2 (01:16:39):
Let me ask you in general, as of today, does
the movement itself Black Lives Matter even have a pulse anymore?
I mean, are they even alive even not so well
just even operating anymore?

Speaker 1 (01:16:51):
Where?

Speaker 2 (01:16:51):
What's your overall assessment of where this organization is today.

Speaker 14 (01:16:56):
Well, he used to be blmgn F, the Black Liss
Matter Global Memal Foundation, which was what was set up
by Patrice Kulur and Lucia Garza. That is now pretty
much gone. It's it's it's led by kind of a bureaucrat,
not a not a revolutionary. I think BLM grassroots, which
is led by a real revolutionary. Uh you know that

(01:17:19):
one is it's still very active, that one's still pursuing
the dream of socialism. So that would is the one
I would look for. Uh BLM Grassroots, not bl M
g n F anymore.

Speaker 1 (01:17:33):
So, my, what's your prediction? I mean with the is
this just symbolic? Is this just political expediency and just
a pause in an otherwise uh, class warfare, race warfare
that we've seen from Black Lives Matter and and and
these Marxists, uh, you know coming influencing this country. Are
we at a pause or are we uh in a
new trajectory?

Speaker 4 (01:17:54):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (01:17:55):
Does this symbolize a new trajectory?

Speaker 14 (01:17:56):
With communist member?

Speaker 4 (01:17:58):
Give up?

Speaker 14 (01:17:59):
Communists never keep up.

Speaker 22 (01:18:00):
We're in booth.

Speaker 14 (01:18:02):
It's no longer class warfare. And now they use race
as a proxy, and they use sex as a proxy,
and they use the climate as a proxy. So it's
no longer. They gave up from the social on the
social class trouble a long time ago because it didn't
work in the the the taught in the United States
of race and Saxon Camp and in climate, we're going

(01:18:23):
to work better, and it almost did. We almost lost
the country. I hope you realize, and I hope you're
listening to this and realized that they almost succeeded. Uh,
they really changed the country. Great deal. Off to twenty
twenty with the Americans.

Speaker 2 (01:18:35):
Faught Back Mike Gonzales from the Herodage Foundation talking about
the fall of the Black Lives Matter pleaza in Washington,
d C. All right, morey coming up our Listen Back
Friday segments coming up on The Rod and Greg Show
and Talk Radio one five to nine k n R. S. Well,
it's time for Listen Back Friday segments here on the
Rod and Greg Show. And what we do every week
is we take two of the interviews with newsmakers that

(01:18:57):
we've aired earlier in the week and play them back
in case you may have missed them. One story that
got our attention, and this is going on in schools
here in Utah and around the country, are furries. Now,
furries are students who dress up like animals, cats, dogs,
you name it, right, we all love that. Right. Well,
there is a lawmaker in Texas that is now introducing

(01:19:17):
a bill that would ban fur each some public schools.
We had a chance to talk with Terry Shilling, president
of the American Principles Project, about that and as for
his opinion as to what that Texas bill would do.

Speaker 22 (01:19:28):
Ron Greg, I'm so excited to be here.

Speaker 14 (01:19:30):
I do.

Speaker 22 (01:19:31):
I just want to say, I do pray every day
that I can start doing interviews in the future on
normal topics.

Speaker 1 (01:19:39):
I mean, it's just.

Speaker 22 (01:19:40):
I'm talking about transgender this that's trans species. I guess
I don't know what helps going on for man.

Speaker 1 (01:19:47):
So look, I saw a video from last school year,
and what turns out is some of the accommodations for
students that want to assume that they're an animal and
sometimes a cat with ears and a tail, is that
they go they actually approach students and they plot them,
and they do things almost to provoke them. And when
the student doesn't appreciate it and they react, it's those

(01:20:09):
student that reacts it gets in trouble. Is this beyond
just what they wear, it's even the behavior that is
interrupting the classroom experience and the educational process in our schools.

Speaker 22 (01:20:21):
No, that's exactly right. This is hindering the ability to
learn for normal children in the class and to be
free from these unruly distractions. You know, when I was
growing up, if children were acting in this manner, they
would have been sent to the principal's office and given
disciplinary action because it was distracting and keeping other people

(01:20:44):
from learning. Right, this is absolutely terrible. We don't allow
animals to go to school and learn. We don't pay
tax dollars for animals to go to school learn, and
they're disrupting class and it's kind of so bad in
Texas that they have to bring forth a law against it.
And here's the thing. Greg Abbott was such a pain
in my rear end for years because he refused to

(01:21:06):
take action all those transforms he came around. He was
a great champion for us, and he did all the
right things. So we're so grateful. But I'm just saying
that because he's not one of these guys that just
jumps into these culture wars just for political experiency. He
really hesitates to take action. So Greg Abbot's getting involved
here in Texas to ban what is he banning? Non

(01:21:27):
human behavior which includes hissing and biting and nuzzling, and
it's like totally licking or meowing in schools for him
to take action here says that it's actually a problem
that's actually happening. It's just for posterous but it's all
related this trans thing. It's all related to the craziness
that the left has inflicted in our schools. But it's like,

(01:21:48):
where are the teachers, Why aren't they tolering us at all?
Why aren't they sending the kids of the principal's office
and then home? This is a normal thing. There's some
psychotic break where we can't even call out mentally ill behavior.

Speaker 2 (01:22:01):
Terry. I bet when you and Greg and I were
in school years ago, if some kid came up to
us and licked us, we'd probably punch them in the nose.
But today you'd be afraid to even do something like
that to defend yourself, wouldn't you, Terry.

Speaker 22 (01:22:15):
No, that's right, And it's because American elites, and they're
all over the place, but progressive elites have started to
punish the good guys. Right, we go after Daniel Penny
for restraining a crazy homeless guy that's attacking people with
a knife and trying to kill them. That's who gets
in trouble. It's that, but it's everywhere all over the country,

(01:22:38):
including schools. If you touch someone, that's called assault without
them giving you a permission, that's literally called assault. But
these kids are they're disrupting classroom and we wonder why
kids only a third of our kids can read or
do mathic grade level.

Speaker 4 (01:22:53):
Right.

Speaker 22 (01:22:54):
This is all related to it. And the other thing
is where are the parents. Where are the parents forming
these kids saying hey, grow up, you're not doing this.
It's embarrassing. It's like we've gotten rid of shame, like
like healthy shame, and now we only inflict shame on
heroes and people that stand up against insanity. It's nuts.

Speaker 1 (01:23:14):
So I work here in the state of Utah. I
work with our sheriffs. We have twenty nine counties, twenty
nine duly elected sheriffs, and I love I work with
them on different issues. And speaking to one of the
sheriffs of one of the counties, this is a real problem.
A school called him, called the sheriff and said, we've
got an issue in our school with a student who's
behaving and acting like a cat and wanting and it

(01:23:36):
caught this sheriff so off guard. I think part of
the challenge here is that there is such bizarre, anti social,
actually offensive or even assault behavior that could even amount
to assault that adultso don't know how to get their
head around it because it's being taken seriously like that
there isn't a way to already deal with it. This
sheriff was as Whatzie said, I guess I can come

(01:23:59):
to the school. We can sort this. Really, I really
need to. And even in my own neighborhood where we
say students walk to the close high school, I've seen
a student that's dressed up with the ears and the tail.
I think that part of it is adults and whatever
their life experiences have informed where they are and what
they're doing today, are not ready to confront that in

(01:24:21):
any kind of serious way. What kind of advice would
you give our listeners, be it if their principles or
teachers or parents or anyone. If they're being confronted with
things that are just so be outside the scope of
normal behavior.

Speaker 22 (01:24:34):
They got to stand up to it, right. Like the
whole thing is is that people are afraid, and also
they're afraid to take action. I mean they're not just
afraid of the consequences, they're uncomfortable giving anyone tough love right,
we've lost the concept of tough love. We know, like
we've basically conflated love with kindness or in passivity, even

(01:24:56):
like people will avoid confrontation of someone, even if they're
standing in the middle of the street and a bus
is going to hit them. Right, that's what's happening here.
These kids are being harmed. They need to be formed,
they need to be protected, and we're not protecting them.
We're not helping them grow. You know, it's one thing
for a five year old to think that they're a DINOSAURU.
It's a whole other thing for a middle school kid

(01:25:16):
to actually act like an arctic wolve, which is a
whole subset of these kids that they're like they're cats.
There's act to arctic wolves, there's all different types of furry.
But also, we got to clean up the internet, right,
I think we ultimately probably have to basically ban children
from the internet. It is so reckless and dangerous. That's
where they're getting these ideas, and they're going to these

(01:25:38):
crazy art forms and these forums that in general, and
they're building like weird communities online and it's totally preposterous.
If you're under a team, you can't use the Internet.

Speaker 2 (01:25:48):
That's how bad it's gotten. Terry Shilling, president of the
American Principles Project, talking about the FURREAEDS bill in public
schools down Texas. It is the most ridiculous, one of
the most ridiculous things, Greg, I've ever heard of in schools.

Speaker 3 (01:26:00):
Jeez.

Speaker 1 (01:26:01):
And some of the most ridiculous things that we observe,
at least nationally, we don't see at home. But I've
seen this. I've seen this in my own neighborhood and
our own schools in my community, and it's and Utah
was not immune from this furry craze with students and
their behavior. So it's something that it's hard to explain
or understand, but it's real.

Speaker 2 (01:26:21):
Yeah, it sure is. All right, more coming up of
our Listen back Friday segments right here on The Rotting
Greg Show and Talk Radio one oh five nine can
ar us.

Speaker 1 (01:26:28):
Greg.

Speaker 2 (01:26:29):
It was five years ago, what was it last week?
I think five years to the day that we started
dealing with COVID, and there are so many unanswered questions
out there. It's still an amazing story to me and
how it impacted our lives.

Speaker 1 (01:26:41):
And we have to keep remembering the details because it
was a government intrusion of our constitutionally protected rights so
quickly and shockingly that we need to we need to
keep it in front of mine so that we'd never
see something like this happen again. Because if the Left
could get away with it, boy, they'd do it again.

Speaker 2 (01:26:58):
Yeah, they did.

Speaker 1 (01:26:58):
Well.

Speaker 2 (01:26:59):
We had a chance earlier this week to talk with
one of the co authors of a brand new book
that's getting a lot of praise is called in COVID's Wake,
How Politics Failed the American People. His name is Stephen Mosdo.
He is a professor of politics at Princeton, and I
asked Stephen first ball, what he hopes people will get
out of this new book on COVID nineteen.

Speaker 4 (01:27:18):
Well, we were really trying to figure out what happened
and to some degree addressed the question of why. We
had the sense, my co author in particular, that the
COVID plans that were made shutting down the economy to
trying to control the virus were ill considered and costly.
And as we looked into the pre COVID pandemic planning documents,

(01:27:41):
for example, we found that the bulk of them predicted
exactly that that these non pharmaceutical interventions, these school closures,
business closures, so schism ze measures everything except the vaccines
and any effective drugs would be largely ineffective or at
least had very little evidence to support them, and would
be very costly, not just in economic terms, but for

(01:28:04):
school children and especially for working class people who had
to keep going to work to support the rest of us,
you know, in our homes, working on laptops or whatever.
So that was part of it, and then that really
surprised us. We have a chapter as well on the
effectiveness of these measures across the fifty states, which adopted

(01:28:24):
a wide range of different policies. Republican states tended to
open schools, businesses, and saw on much more quickly the
Democratic states, And in fact, we don't find any difference
in the outcomes across those states, and that's consistent with
international studies as well. And we also find that there
are costs, significant costs associated with the school closures, the

(01:28:48):
lockdowns and so on. So that's a big part of
the book, you know. Another part of the book is
on the question of the origins of the virus, where
we find evidence that scientists and some public officials have
not been frank you know with the American public that
they seem to have have slought to deflect attention from

(01:29:09):
the possibility of a lab leaque for a variety of reasons.
And you know, we think that the media, you know,
to some extent, and and other parts of our our
democratic system are not pursuing these questions vigorously enough, objectively enough.
We suspect that part of the reason is, you know,

(01:29:29):
worry that it would you know, hurt the Democratic Party maybe,
and we're progressive, no, but we think that it's important
to seek the truth on it even matters, and that
you know, there are certain institutions in our country, universities, journalism, science,
science journalism, which you're tasked with pursuing the truth on
hard questions. And so that's what we've tried to do.

(01:29:52):
It's a fascinating story. It's multifaceted, but those are overall
some of the the punchlines, I guess you would say
of the various chapters in the book.

Speaker 1 (01:30:04):
You know, what caught my attention is that there has been, sadly,
since these decisions were made and we've lived through this pandemic,
there seems to be a line drawn in the sand
where if you question any of it you've been discarded
or seen with a jaundiced eye. Those that seem to
defend it seemed to be embraced or had been in
the past embraced more readily. I thought it was a

(01:30:26):
great book review out of the Boston Globe. I think
your academic work is being received well, and it's been
given a lot of I mean, it's been taken very seriously.
So I thank you for the work you've done, and
I think you're breaking down some of the barriers that
have existed politically now for a while. My question to
you would be with as you looked at the lack

(01:30:47):
of efficacy on all of these different decisions that the
government made in your estimation, why did they do it then?
If it didn't make much sense, if they knew early
on that these non pharmaceutical decisions or policies wouldn't have
that much of an effect, why did they do it?

Speaker 4 (01:31:05):
Well. I think many people thought they would have an effect,
but part of what happened was nobody went back and
looked at the pre COVID pandemic planning documents. They were
just ignored, which was which is bizarre. Secondly, though there
were dissenters in March, quite prominent people Michael Osterholme from
University of Minnesota, very prominent epidemiologist, ern virologists David Katz

(01:31:28):
from Yale, over CDC director Tom Frieden, and doctor Fougi
All said about the Chinese lockdown strategy, it's very unlikely
to work. It's going to be costly. They must be
ill advised. But once the WHO endorsed the Chinese strategy
of locking down the economy and society to suppress the virus,

(01:31:49):
and Italy announced the national lockdown, politicians seem to be
under great pressure to adopt those get tough measures and
to show that they were in charge. Indeed, is something
that those pre COVID pandemic plans warned about that politicians,
you know, leaders would be tempted to engage in these
severe policies for the sake of showing or trying to

(01:32:10):
show that they were in control, you know, that they
were responding in a vigorous way. And those pre COVID
pandemic plans warned scientists, public health officials that they needed
to be frank with public leaders about the doubtfulness of
the efficacy of these measures that you know, as you say,
it's quite true that over the summer of twenty twenty,

(01:32:32):
I think as these policies became associated, you know, with
strong partisan leanings. It was the democratic states that were
closing down harder the publican states were opening up. The
issue became very politicized, It became very partisan, and people
didn't want to admit, you know, contra arguments coming from
the other side, or the validity of criticisms. I think

(01:32:53):
that were associated with now being associated with kind of
the Republican Party and even Donald Trump. I think the politicization, partisanship,
and it was indeed intolerance of dissenters. As we moved
through the summer of twenty twenty, we should have learned
things because there were schools that were reopening in the
West and in Western Europe they reopened their schools. We

(01:33:14):
learned plenty over the summer, but people did not update
their views and responded, as you said, intolerantly, we think
to those offering alternative points of view.

Speaker 2 (01:33:25):
Steve, as I look back five years ago, the one
thing that just kept on coming to mind as I
thought about this and through the summer of twenty as
you were just talking about, did we overreact I have
always felt there was such an overreaction to this, did
we in your opinion?

Speaker 4 (01:33:43):
Well, you know, look, it was a bad virus. It
was the worst pandemic nineteen eighteenthrom ecademic. It did kill
a lot of people. But it's true that the population's
vulnerability was extremely variable depending on age to play. Young
people were at very little risk in COVID, So there

(01:34:04):
wasn't an alternative strategy of focused protection, to focus protection
on the vulnerable segments of the population, vulnerable people, and
to allow you know, those who at relatively low risk
to go about their lives and resume schooling and so on. Certainly,
I think people all that that was a mistake now,
so you know, part of it is that we just
should have been more open to debate and discussion. But

(01:34:27):
I think when it comes to schooling in particular, I
mean most people now admit that that was overreaction and
we shouldn't have kept schools closed where they were closed
in many places throughout the twenty one school year. So
so it was overreaction. I think panic for sure, of fear,
but all too a lack of public debate and a
lack of openness to dissent about those who had reasonable

(01:34:54):
positions on alternative strategies.

Speaker 2 (01:34:57):
As part of our Listen Back Friday segment, our conversation
that Greg and I had with Steven Mosito, co authoror
of a brand new book called In COVID's Way. Quite
the Story, Greg, Quite the Story. Hopefully you've learned something.

Speaker 1 (01:35:07):
You know, what I love about the Professor Merscito and
his book is that he wasn't part of the clamp
the doctors that were complaining initially. So he didn't get demonized,
he didn't get he didn't get dismissed. He's now academically
looking back and saying, man, was this a mess up?
And so it's actually getting like the Boston Globe and
others who made it so political to actually stop, slow

(01:35:28):
down a little bit and at least concede math. Major,
major mistakes were made. And so I do appreciate his
work on this, on this book.

Speaker 2 (01:35:36):
Well, he's done a great job with it. Well you
enjoy yourself in San Diego, fly.

Speaker 1 (01:35:42):
If you say so, right, Well, thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:35:44):
That does it for us tonight, as we say each
and every night, head up, shoulders back. May God bless
you and your family in this great country of ours,
have a safe weekend. Everybody in San Diego and here
in Utah. We'll talk to you Monday at four

Speaker 1 (01:36:00):
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